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Aussie_expat.sg
06-25-2012, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Liadan
So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.
And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.
Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.
So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?
If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.
Gee now here's an interesting new line of thought......... :what:
And did she fly down or drive down? and if she drove down, what model car does she drive? Is it blue?
Liadan
06-25-2012, 02:37 AM
Oh Greg leave me alone!
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 02:37 AM
Channel 9 News - nothing so far about this case.
RumourSquasher
06-25-2012, 02:39 AM
Just reposting something I posted a long time ago.
To me this seems like bad blood with perhaps an ex business partner?
The business partner now works for a competing real estate agency.
"In reality, however, such pressure has the opposite effect on some agents, reducing them to tactics and behaviour that compromise not only their own integrity but the integrity of the industry as a whole. If their behaviour didn’t affect me and the community in which I live and work, then I would have nothing to say about this. But it does directly affect me and it directly affects you. No names or pack drills here – I seek not to expose the offender but the practice, the practice being to erect For Sale signs on properties prior to any contract being signed. It is first and foremost illegal. It is secondly unethical. And it is finally reprehensible." Article continues......
http://liveweb.archive.org/http://ex...t-cricket.html
The link above didn't work for me try this one http://expertrealestate.blogspot.com.au/2008/02/its-just-not-cricket.html
That was written in Feb 2008 before he had business partners and referred to another local agency whose Principal was known for putting for sale signs on properties that he did not have a signed authority to sell.
Interestingly the blogs did not seem to continue past the end of 2008 - IMO possibly due to the affair with TM which I believe started during 2008. (IMO the affair was possibly the start of him losing the plot business wise)
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 02:39 AM
I am so hoping that Mr. Danny Boyle is a total ace prosecutor. And it is interesting that Davis didn't get his supression wish for their case. I am wondering what information the prosecution will present and how they will run their case. I wonder if the defense guys are trying to get GBC to plead guilty??????
I was just doing some detective work about the names on the list that was published from the other site. And noticed that the respondents were previous and perhaps work colleagues that would have probably had to give character representations for GBC - from memory I think you need to get people to write a spiel about how long you have known them and that they are good person etc.
These are listed below from what I can come up friends of GBC from FB and also old colleagues from the real estate cliche. The one in green I couldn't find any info on. The blue ones are respondents and would anyone have any idea what they would be responding to? (Maybe I have go this the wrong way round the respondent and applicant thing.)
8 21/06/2012 Affidavit PA NEGEREVICH Respondent
9 21/06/2012 Affidavit PJ RODDICK Respondent
10 21/06/2012 Affidavit PB CRANNA Applicant
11 21/06/2012 Affidavit TE CRANNA Applicant
12 21/06/2012 Affidavit IL THOMAS Applicant
13 21/06/2012 Affidavit P NEGEREVICH Respondent
I'm not sure 100% who the people are, but..the Applicant in the case is GBC.....as he is the one (filed on his behalf by his legal representatives) who has applied for a bail hearing...therefore he is Applicant in the proceedings.
The Respondent is the Crown/DPP (the prosecution). They are Responding with their reasons as to why the application for bail should be denied.
So any Affidavits marked Respondent are Affidavits filed on behalf of the prosecution and I'm guessing they would be Affidavits filed by investigating police?
The Affidavits maked the Applicant (Cranna PB, Cranna TE and Thomas) woud be Affidavits sworn by friends/associates of GBC....Affidavits in his favour I would guess...
If I have any of this up the creek, feel free to correct me....I think I have my respondents and applicants around the right way?? lol
A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough.
Maybe they are waiting to see if he is found guilty first, some people will still be thinking it is possible he is not guilty, I know the circumstantial evidence is over whelming but there is that small chance still, until there comes a positive detail.
Liadan
06-25-2012, 02:40 AM
not what did she drive - but what was she doing for goodness sake..... it has only just come to light she spent the day in Bris. Forget the car colour but seriously where did she stay -
willough
06-25-2012, 02:40 AM
Yeah I know LOL:floorlaugh:
Facebook has that affect on one I think. Im a massive Mark Webber fan.....and a couple of years ago, there was so much crap going on at his team.....I kept on wanting to unlike the page......but the gossip was so good and the arguing so intense, that I just couldn't bring myself to leave the page. :floorlaugh:
This is a more nasty, real version of that I guess...
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 02:45 AM
One flaw for her, dear love....Was that "He couldn't afford to divorce her" :(
JMO
I truly don't understand this. The way it works here is that a divorce is a no fault, 50 50 split of all the assets they have as a married couple.
It wasn't that he couldn't afford to divorce her, but that he didn't want to end up financially bereft. This is surely the most important factor. If they'd divorced, they'd both be really financially screwed .. esp considering his massive debts. There would have been minus amounts in the pot to split between the two of them. She would have nothing, he would have nothing, they'd prob both have to go bankrupt, and he would prob have had to pay child support IF he was earning more than she was.... but then on the other hand, perhaps even he wouldn't have to pay CS if he was on a very low income.
If he'd gone bankrupt, he wouldn't have had to pay any of it back because he has dependents.
Killing her and getting the money really was for him the better option ... he thought.
My ex got us into a lot of debt. It's interesting to see how narcissistic people do this and it's about maintaining the 'story' they've built for themselves. His story is being rich and successful, having a trophy wife and small children...
And then suddenly the debt starts to hit the fan and he's in trouble, so he has to sacrifice something in order to continue to maintain his 'story'. His wife is the one to go because if she is dead, he can continue to be wealthy and successful.
Any narcissism test or indeed psychopathy test (lots on the web if you care to look) show lack of empathy and guilt as one of the fundamental cores of the disorder...
He totally could have afforded to divorce her... and she could have afforded to divorce him.
He just chose to kill her instead because that was the 'better option'.
willough
06-25-2012, 02:50 AM
I truly don't understand this. The way it works here is that a divorce is a no fault, 50 50 split of all the assets they have as a married couple.
It wasn't that he couldn't afford to divorce her, but that he didn't want to end up financially bereft. This is surely the most important factor. If they'd divorced, they'd both be really financially screwed .. esp considering his massive debts. There would have been minus amounts in the pot to split between the two of them. She would have nothing, he would have nothing, they'd prob both have to go bankrupt, and he would prob have had to pay child support IF he was earning more than she was.... but then on the other hand, perhaps even he wouldn't have to pay CS if he was on a very low income.
If he'd gone bankrupt, he wouldn't have had to pay any of it back because he has dependents.
Killing her and getting the money really was for him the better option ... he thought.
My ex got us into a lot of debt. It's interesting to see how narcissistic people do this and it's about maintaining the 'story' they've built for themselves. His story is being rich and successful, having a trophy wife and small children...
And then suddenly the debt starts to hit the fan and he's in trouble, so he has to sacrifice something in order to continue to maintain his 'story'. His wife is the one to go because if she is dead, he can continue to be wealthy and successful.
Any narcissism test or indeed psychopathy test (lots on the web if you care to look) show lack of empathy and guilt as one of the fundamental cores of the disorder...
He totally could have afforded to divorce her... and she could have afforded to divorce him.
He just chose to kill her instead because that was the 'better option'.
He wrote in an email to TM that he could not afford to divorce Allison, but that he would ensure he and her are over by 1st July. I am just going off his words.
I agree, he just chose to kill her.....if one has nothing in the relationship, then one leaves with nothing.
RumourSquasher
06-25-2012, 02:50 AM
I have also wondered if TM was at the funeral? I'm sure this has been discussed and I can't recall, I'm sorry. Greg could probably answer this from memory?
TM was not there as far as I am aware. I was at the back and did not hang around after the service and was also with people who would have known if she planned on being there.
willough
06-25-2012, 02:52 AM
I dont understand what all the coloured names are about and what "applicant and respondent" mean......This was on Facebook?....about what?
Rational
06-25-2012, 02:52 AM
It will be interesting to see what it's about.
How is your partner holding up Angel and your computer??
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 02:56 AM
GBC probably couldn't have afforded the divorce because his share of the assets wouldn't have been enough to cover his debts and potentially could have forced him into bankruptcy. He wouldn't be able to be a RE agent anymore if he was bankrupt, that's the law. There are also legal fees associated if you have someone represent you in a divorce and that's without going to court. I know in my case, it cost nearly $10000 and that was just for consent orders as there was no property division or anything like that.
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 02:57 AM
He wrote in an email to TM that he could not afford to divorce Allison, but that he would ensure he and her are over by 1st July. I am just going off his words.
I agree, he just chose to kill her.....if one has nothing in the relationship, then one leaves with nothing.
I feel that he may have meant that he couldn't afford to hire a lawyer and to go through it all financially - though as you say, if there's nothing, then there's nothing... Given that was in the email to his lover, I wonder if he had told her about the debt he was in? I bet he was spinning the successful REA to her too...and so saying he could not afford to divorce his wife is just an excuse not to fully be with the lover ... Weird... Having the best of both worlds perhaps? MOO.
Ironically he's had to hire a lawyer now.
My ex didn't do a property settlement... I left with nothing because I wanted my sanity. A shame that A didn't just leave with her children and go live with her parents. :(
nowvoyager
06-25-2012, 02:59 AM
Per Brissylass
The Affidavits marked the Applicant (x Y & z) woud be Affidavits sworn by friends/associates of GBC....Affidavits in his favour why else...
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Yes you are right. The court records the documents filed. The crown was the respondent, the prosecutor was reported to be referring to affidavit(s) filed on behalf of the police.
I don;t know if it's quite right to sleuth the GBC affidavit people? But sure they would have been lending support I guess to the contention of his ties with the community and his not being a flight risk.
As to those mentioning it before, once again, the July 9 date is a MENTION it won't be the committal HEARING. It's just that the Courts supervise the conduct of matters, especially criminal ones, to ensure that people are not kept unduly long waiting for their matters to be dealt with.
I doubt that either side will be ready for a while, so there may in fact be a couple of mention dates before the committal is actually set down. there is no need for GBC to make a plea or even appear at these hearings, it'll just be done in his absence in MOO as a formality that needs no input from him at the time.
At the actual committal hearing (unless GBC does plead guilty, which in MOO he is unlikely to do) then there will need to be a lot of information placed before the court, and witnesses called, it will mostly be a prosecution-run thing.
The defence are entitled to rebut that evidence or say that it is insufficient. A lot of it will just go to argument. At this stage, it will be at Magistrates court level, the trial, if the committal is for murder... or manslaughter... will be then sent to the Supreme court and they have a long waiting list
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 02:59 AM
I dont understand what all the coloured names are about and what "applicant and respondent" mean......This was on Facebook?....about what?
The coloured names are kind of "witnesses" if you will. In this case, it was the bail hearing and so the Applicant was GBC and those listed as "Applicant" would be there to support his bail application. The Respondent is the Crown in this instance.
Rational
06-25-2012, 03:00 AM
A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough.
Fair enough?? Being friends with someone who murders his wife for insurance money because he is so deep in the financial sh#t so he leaves 3 girls without parents, a mother and father without daughter, implicates and/or involves some others and probably ruin the lives of more children??? Sorry but the 'fair enough' really riled me.
All IMO etc
willough
06-25-2012, 03:01 AM
I feel that he may have meant that he couldn't afford to hire a lawyer and to go through it all financially - though as you say, if there's nothing, then there's nothing... Given that was in the email to his lover, I wonder if he had told her about the debt he was in? I bet he was spinning the successful REA to her too...and so saying he could not afford to divorce his wife is just an excuse not to fully be with the lover ... Weird... Having the best of both worlds perhaps? MOO.
Ironically he's had to hire a lawyer now.
My ex didn't do a property settlement... I left with nothing because I wanted my sanity. A shame that A didn't just leave with her children and go live with her parents. :(
Yeah of course the lawyer costs.....and also the set up costs again. I know if I considered leaving my husband (which im not), I would need to consider rental, bond, furnishings (atleast some), money for bills, some set up of phone costs......It could quickly run into the thousands. Thousands, I just can ill afford. I could not afford to divorce my husband currently.
willough
06-25-2012, 03:02 AM
The coloured names are kind of "witnesses" if you will. In this case, it was the bail hearing and so the Applicant was GBC and those listed as "Applicant" would be there to support his bail application. The Respondent is the Crown in this instance.
Thanks BJ, im not very savvy when it comes to the legal stuff xx
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 03:05 AM
GBC probably couldn't have afforded the divorce because his share of the assets wouldn't have been enough to cover his debts and potentially could have forced him into bankruptcy. He wouldn't be able to be a RE agent anymore if he was bankrupt, that's the law. There are also legal fees associated if you have someone represent you in a divorce and that's without going to court. I know in my case, it cost nearly $10000 and that was just for consent orders as there was no property division or anything like that.
That's right, so to avoid bankruptcy and keep doing what he's doing, he kills his wife... the 'better' option.
His entire divorce could have been done for free with court appointed mediators. You can self represent and mediate through the Family Relationships Centre... (FRC) a free service, so anything to do with the children would have been through that.
He wouldn't have needed consent orders as his mediation with the FRC would have created a Parenting Plan between him and his wife....
The law has been substantially changed in Aus in recent years to stop people taking others to court and so you have to have a certificate from the FRC to say that mediation has failed OR you have to have a history of domestic abuse which then excuses you from mediation in the FRC.
You can then go to court to get consent orders if mediation cannot work for you both... though if you then have a parenting plan in place later which you agree between yourselves, this makes the orders void.
The NSW government has Community Justice Centres or CJC's, which offer free mediation for property and family matters.
Neither of them had to spend any money to sort out this mess at all.
Bottom line, he needed the money.
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:08 AM
Fair enough?? Being friends with someone who murders his wife for insurance money because he is so deep in the financial sh#t so he leaves 3 girls without parents, a mother and father without daughter, implicates and/or involves some others and probably ruin the lives of more children??? Sorry but the 'fair enough' really riled me.
All IMO etc
I understand where you're coming from Rational. The husband of a friend of mine from primary school murdered a girl (who's brother was my nephew's best mate), she publicly supported him. She sent me a friend request last year, I couldn't accept it. I struggled with that thought. Had she not been all over the TV sprouting his innocence, maybe it would have been different. I feel sorry for her but given his past history and why they were moved from another state by a welfare charity group, surely she had to know what he was capable of and that he probably did do it.
I truly don't understand this. The way it works here is that a divorce is a no fault, 50 50 split of all the assets they have as a married couple.
i think saying to TM that he couldn't afford to get a divorce was just his way of pretending he still had assets and money, and Allison would get half of them.
I wonder how TM thought he was going to be free without getting a divorce then, after he said that?
EllaN
06-25-2012, 03:10 AM
Fair enough?? Being friends with someone who murders his wife for insurance money because he is so deep in the financial sh#t so he leaves 3 girls without parents, a mother and father without daughter, implicates and/or involves some others and probably ruin the lives of more children??? Sorry but the 'fair enough' really riled me.
All IMO etc
I not going to argue, but if it is their decision to stay FB friend's with him I am going to respect that. Everyone has the right to make up their own mind about this case.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:12 AM
Channel 10 News - Nothing yet about this case.
EDIT - Now they've said a fresh line of enquiry coming up after the break!
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:12 AM
That's right, so to avoid bankruptcy and keep doing what he's doing, he kills his wife... the 'better' option.
His entire divorce could have been done for free with court appointed mediators. You can self represent and mediate through the Family Relationships Centre... (FRC) a free service, so anything to do with the children would have been through that.
He wouldn't have needed consent orders as his mediation with the FRC would have created a Parenting Plan between him and his wife....
The law has been substantially changed in Aus in recent years to stop people taking others to court and so you have to have a certificate from the FRC to say that mediation has failed OR you have to have a history of domestic abuse which then excuses you from mediation in the FRC.
You can then go to court to get consent orders if mediation cannot work for you both... though if you then have a parenting plan in place later which you agree between yourselves, this makes the orders void.
The NSW government has Community Justice Centres or CJC's, which offer free mediation for property and family matters.
Neither of them had to spend any money to sort out this mess at all.
Bottom line, he needed the money.
Allegedly he googled pleading the fifth, so one would assume he wasn't savvy with Australian laws outside of real estate and he probably didn't know that it doesn't have to cost a lot for divorce?
Timmy
06-25-2012, 03:13 AM
Coming up after the break on channel 10 news.
angel1
06-25-2012, 03:13 AM
Channel 10 News - Nothing yet about this case.
it's on next :)
marlywings
06-25-2012, 03:13 AM
Channel10 5pm news....fresh line in Baden Clay investigation coming up after ads...
Allegedly he googled pleading the fifth, so one would assume he wasn't savvy with Australian laws outside of real estate and he probably didn't know that it doesn't have to cost a lot for divorce?
I reckon he was stalling on leaving A by saying he couldn't afford a divorce, and at the same time pretending he still had some assets to halve.
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 03:15 AM
Yeah of course the lawyer costs.....and also the set up costs again. I know if I considered leaving my husband (which im not), I would need to consider rental, bond, furnishings (atleast some), money for bills, some set up of phone costs......It could quickly run into the thousands. Thousands, I just can ill afford. I could not afford to divorce my husband currently.
I never used a lawyer in my divorce apart from a one off consult, which cost me $99.
If a person does wish to leave and it will plunge them into extreme difficulties, Centrelink will issue an emergency payment which is usually in the thousands to help you out, esp if you are escaping due to difficult circs.
Also help with rental, bond, etc.
Of course when you look at leaving, it seems insurmountable. Once you've done it, you realise that it's not.
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 03:17 AM
Allegedly he googled pleading the fifth, so one would assume he wasn't savvy with Australian laws outside of real estate and he probably didn't know that it doesn't have to cost a lot for divorce?
For sure, it's only when you start looking into it and googling all this stuff, you find it all out.
He was just presuming.
I bet being bankrupt is looking pretty good right now...
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:17 AM
I reckon he was stalling on leaving A by saying he couldn't afford a divorce, and at the same time pretending he still had some assets to halve.
Yes, possibly keeping up appearances and all that!
Woombite
06-25-2012, 03:18 AM
At the committal hearing the Prosecution presents their evidence, then the Magistrate decides if there's enough evidence for a trial THEN the accused makes plea.
If the accused pleads guilty before the committal.... Then I don't know, but I wouldn't imagine the police are in the practise of letting accomplices in murder walk away.
MOO
I would be interested in hearing Hawkins, WI or Dark Shadows view on committal proceedings. I thought there were a couple of methods available - one where full exploration of the evidence could be conducted with cross exam available or hands up with go straight to higher court - maybe that is for less serious crimes??
Just a vague recollection from the past.
Detect
06-25-2012, 03:19 AM
Channel 10 being difficult. We have had the sport, and the finance report, and the traffic report. Report on Baden-Clay still coming, so they say !!
marlywings
06-25-2012, 03:20 AM
Pffffftttt channel10...lol...how far behind are they!!!...lol.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:20 AM
Channel 10 News - Nothing new!!! Just about the face time call to NBC and that NBC has declined to comment.
Crime and punishment
06-25-2012, 03:20 AM
Channel 10 news- New line of enquiry: mobile phone evidence relating to face
time call - NBC declined to comment.
Timmy
06-25-2012, 03:20 AM
Channel 10 news-mobile phone evidence. Nothing new- can't believe I sat through 15 minutes of Bold and the Beautiful for THAT!
marlywings
06-25-2012, 03:21 AM
Yeah we heard last week about the video facetime call to NBC...they just report on it now...woww channel 10 you are sooo up with the latest...not!!!!...lol..
That was a rubbish report, totally nothing new!
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:21 AM
Channel 10 news-mobile phone evidence. Nothing new- can't believe I sat through 15 minutes of Bold and the Beautiful for THAT!
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:21 AM
Channel 10 being difficult. We have had the sport, and the finance report, and the traffic report. Report on Baden-Clay still coming, so they say !!
That's annoying, i'm sure they (all media) do that just to keep you tuned in! :maddening:
Detect
06-25-2012, 03:21 AM
They know the public are interested, and I think just used it to get higher ratings for their news telecast !!
BreakingNews
06-25-2012, 03:22 AM
Nothing really new. Channel 10 just stated that a new line of enquiry due to face phone call between GBC & NBC. This information only emerged day before bail application. NBC refused to comment.
marlywings
06-25-2012, 03:23 AM
That's annoying, i'm sure they (all media) do that just to keep you tuned in! :maddening:
Well they pulled all of us on here in to watch it...lol..
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:24 AM
They know the public are interested, and I think just used it to get higher ratings for their news telecast !!
... and I missed part of my favourite show because of that! :what:
Humdinger
06-25-2012, 03:24 AM
Maybe this means that we're going to hear more about this soon, in the form of an arrest?? Hhmmmmm I wonder...
DunnoZo
06-25-2012, 03:25 AM
GGGrrrrrrr
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:26 AM
Well they pulled all of us on here in to watch it...lol..
The thing is, they know we'll keep watching so we don't miss it! And we do! lol
BreakingNews
06-25-2012, 03:27 AM
I guess the news is that 'it's a new line of enquiry'. That's all. Just keeping us watching Channel 10 news. I'm missing out on watching Fonzie!
Makara
06-25-2012, 03:28 AM
Channel 10 News - Nothing new!!! Just about the face time call to NBC and that NBC has declined to comment.
Thanks CC. I wonder if Channel 10 meant that NBC refused to comment to the police or to a Channel 10 reporter? Did you get the gist of what they meant?
Timmy
06-25-2012, 03:30 AM
Thanks CC. I wonder if Channel 10 meant that NBC refused to comment to the police or to a Channel 10 reporter? Did you get the gist of what they meant?
Sounded like they meant- refused to talk to reporter.
Timmy
06-25-2012, 03:32 AM
I guess the news is that 'it's a new line of enquiry'. That's all. Just keeping us watching Channel 10 news. I'm missing out on watching Fonzie!
Kept wondering why it wasn't on channel 9 news. Now we know why- because channel 9 doesn't need to fill an hour with last Friday's news!
Liadan
06-25-2012, 03:35 AM
I dont understand what all the coloured names are about and what "applicant and respondent" mean......This was on Facebook?....about what?
dear willough - I have just taken a precis from the court file from the bail hearing and noticed that GBC has a few friends supporting him. I was curious as to who would support him at this stage as this has to be an affi davit that needs to be sworntrue by at least a JP. I have coloured it to indicated the people that I couldn't find by doing a goodgle search.
There is nothing sinister or alarming or really even new about this info just seeing who is gullible enough at this stage to support GBC. And it turns out there still are a few believers.....
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 03:35 AM
Sounded like they meant- refused to talk to reporter.
Who can blame him? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Channel 10 - well known for it's fine, independent, unbiased reporting.... :moo:
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:36 AM
Maybe "Can't afford a divorce" wasn't related to just the financial side of things. Can't afford bankruptcy because he wouldn't be able to hold an RE licence if he was and couldn't afford not to have the job?
Detect
06-25-2012, 03:40 AM
Just catching up on today's posts, where there seem to be a lot of comments about GBC's comment that he couldn't afford to divorce A.
In my opinion, when he talks about the cost being too high, he is referring to a 'cost' that relates to his prestige. The clan is very much about how they are perceived by others. I doubt that he would have been able to face his peers, if he or A had choses a divorce. GBC Bankrupt !!! Millions in debt !!!! Imagine the snickering in the C21 circles. No - no divorce for him. His pride would not have coped.. IMOO
marlywings
06-25-2012, 03:41 AM
Who can blame him? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Channel 10 - well known for it's fine, independent, unbiased reporting.... :moo:
Then again they were the first to share that infamous "seeking donations" email...lol..
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:41 AM
I never used a lawyer in my divorce apart from a one off consult, which cost me $99.
If a person does wish to leave and it will plunge them into extreme difficulties, Centrelink will issue an emergency payment which is usually in the thousands to help you out, esp if you are escaping due to difficult circs.
Also help with rental, bond, etc.
Of course when you look at leaving, it seems insurmountable. Once you've done it, you realise that it's not.
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 03:41 AM
Maybe "Can't afford a divorce" wasn't related to just the financial side of things. Can't afford bankruptcy because he wouldn't be able to hold an RE licence if he was and couldn't afford not to have the job?
Agree with that... wasn't talking about money, was talking about the knock on affect it would have.
I wonder if they have any asset in their house at all or whether it's all wiped out with his debts?
I know they leased one car recently so they must have had some money from somewhere.
Wonder how he got so many loans from people?
Rational
06-25-2012, 03:42 AM
Channel 10 news-mobile phone evidence. Nothing new- can't believe I sat through 15 minutes of Bold and the Beautiful for THAT!
Don't be negative about The bold and the beautiful please :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:!! It is one of the few things on tv that if I don't watch for 3 month I can catch up on!! Couldn't watch it more than four times a year at a stretch though!!!
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:42 AM
Thanks CC. I wonder if Channel 10 meant that NBC refused to comment to the police or to a Channel 10 reporter? Did you get the gist of what they meant?
.. to reporters IMO.
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
My girlfriend did that. She called it her "runaway" fund LOL
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:44 AM
Don't be negative about The bold and the beautiful please :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:!! It is one of the few things on tv that if I don't watch for 3 month I can catch up on!! Couldn't watch it more than four times a year at a stretch though!!!
... I haven't watched it in years and Brooke is still arguing with Amber! :floorlaugh:
Timmy
06-25-2012, 03:44 AM
Don't be negative about The bold and the beautiful please :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:!! It is one of the few things on tv that if I don't watch for 3 month I can catch up on!! Couldn't watch it more than four times a year at a stretch though!!!
....... Or 3 years!
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:49 AM
Just catching up on today's posts, where there seem to be a lot of comments about GBC's comment that he couldn't afford to divorce A.
In my opinion, when he talks about the cost being too high, he is referring to a 'cost' that relates to his prestige. The clan is very much about how they are perceived by others. I doubt that he would have been able to face his peers, if he or A had choses a divorce. GBC Bankrupt !!! Millions in debt !!!! Imagine the s******ing in the C21 circles. No - no divorce for him. His pride would not have coped.. IMOO
Thanks, that's the point I was trying to make! You expressed it much better.
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 03:51 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
Excellent advice!!!!!.....me too. When I married both my ex's it was till death do us part for me. Truth is you can never ever be 100% sure what someone else has on their mind or in their thoughts.....and that's a fact. If things go bad (as in 50% of marriages statically) you have to look after your own future. Well said CC.
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:52 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
Great advice there! It's not just about needing to run away if things go sour either! If one gets sick or injured, then you have something to fall back on as well.
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 03:54 AM
My girlfriend did that. She called it her "runaway" fund LOL
Mine was the 'Claytons' account.The bank account you have when you don't really have one. :woohoo:
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:55 AM
Agree with that... wasn't talking about money, was talking about the knock on affect it would have.
I wonder if they have any asset in their house at all or whether it's all wiped out with his debts?
I know they leased one car recently so they must have had some money from somewhere.
Wonder how he got so many loans from people?
Exactly, often people will say "cost" or "afford" when they are talking about consequences. The nature of the English language.
So they weren't renting the house? I thought I read somewhere they were?
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:55 AM
Excellent advice!!!!!.....me too. When I married both my ex's it was till death do us part for me. Truth is you can never ever be 100% sure what someone else has on their mind or in their thoughts.....and that's a fact. If things go bad (as in 50% of marriages statically) you have to look after your own future. Well said CC.
Same here ... never thought I was going to be faced with divorce (first time due to cheating, second time due to severe substance abuse).
Spotted Reptile
06-25-2012, 03:56 AM
... I haven't watched it in years and Brooke is still arguing with Amber! :floorlaugh:
That last 30 seconds was hilarious: "What are you doing, what pills are you taking!!!" Great dialogue. And the long, slooow zoom in while we wait for the music to end the show . . . nothing changes in Soap Land.
Back to topic . . . nothing at all in Victoria Ten News. Seems like I didn't miss anything anyway.
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 03:57 AM
Excellent advice!!!!!.....me too. When I married both my ex's it was till death do us part for me. Truth is you can never ever be 100% sure what someone else has on their mind or in their thoughts.....and that's a fact. If things go bad (as in 50% of marriages statically) you have to look after your own future. Well said CC.
As the saying goes "A man isn't a financial plan* (or woman, whichever the case may be)
Timmy
06-25-2012, 03:57 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
Perhaps you should give this advice to Brooke.in case things don't work out with Ridge. Which I am assuming they won't!!!
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 03:59 AM
Perhaps you should give this advice to Brooke.in case things don't work out with Ridge. Which I am assuming they won't!!!
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:00 AM
Maybe "Can't afford a divorce" wasn't related to just the financial side of things. Can't afford bankruptcy because he wouldn't be able to hold an RE licence if he was and couldn't afford not to have the job?
...And I'm reckoning that he'd be thinking: "She'll take me to the cleaners whenever I do happen to get some money out of some unsuspecting person....preferably a gullible woman."
IMO
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
The mere fact that you may have to consider doing that, rings warning bells for me. If I thought it was necessary, I suspect I would end the relationship poste haste. Trust is the real test in marriage, not love.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:03 AM
The mere fact that you may have to consider doing that, rings warning bells for me. If I thought it was necessary, I suspect I would end the relationship poste haste. Trust is the real test in marriage, not love.
I have always been very independent and the experiences of some of my friends taught me to take precautions.
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 04:06 AM
The mere fact that you may have to consider doing that, rings warning bells for me. If I thought it was necessary, I suspect I would end the relationship poste haste. Trust is the real test in marriage, not love.
It's no difference to having car, health or life insurance, "In case something happens". It's too late once you discover that you're in that kind of situation and you don't have what you need to get out. People are often blinded by love at the start and things can change. There was a report on The Project weeks ago about how many men have money stashed that their wife doesn't know about. It was a high percentage.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:06 AM
Perhaps you should give this advice to Brooke.in case things don't work out with Ridge. Which I am assuming they won't!!!
No SHiiiite!! Wot's happening on B&B??? Haven't seen it for about 2 years...but I can't believe the Ridgebrook team are going to break up...well hit me with a bag of drowned kittens.....!!! ;)
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 04:06 AM
Perhaps you should give this advice to Brooke.in case things don't work out with Ridge. Which I am assuming they won't!!!
Are they back together after being divorced, married, divorced, married, divorced, married, divorced ,married and divorced again. I know this is all fact because my aunt (God rest her soul) used to watch it and was all she would talk about when ever we met.Was riveting conversation.:pullhair::pullhair::pullhair:
J-Diggety
06-25-2012, 04:07 AM
Channel 10 news-mobile phone evidence. Nothing new- can't believe I sat through 15 minutes of Bold and the Beautiful for THAT!
Standard channel 10, they are a disgrace when it come to reporting anything worthwhile, attention grabbing muppets!
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:09 AM
I have always been very independent and the experiences of some of my friends taught me to take precautions.
Good Girl! :) .....urm boy!..... :)
J-Diggety
06-25-2012, 04:09 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
I'll advise my wife then....
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:13 AM
I'll advise my wife then....
... maybe she already has one? :floorlaugh:
The mere fact that you may have to consider doing that, rings warning bells for me. If I thought it was necessary, I suspect I would end the relationship poste haste. Trust is the real test in marriage, not love.
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
This particular forum is littered with women who trusted their husbands. That's why they are now giving this advice.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:16 AM
No SHiiiite!! Wot's happening on B&B??? Haven't seen it for about 2 years...but I can't believe the Ridgebrook team are going to break up...well hit me with a bag of drowned kittens.....!!! ;)
Eewwwww.....Jillie - that's disgusting (I really just had to say that). :what:
Bayside
06-25-2012, 04:17 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
Couldnt agree with you more, I have always taught my daughters this.
I have my own money and property in my own name. If my husband left tomorrow he would be in a much weaker financial position than me, he just doesnt know how much lol.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:17 AM
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
This particular forum is littered with women who trusted their husbands. That's why they are now giving this advice.
"trusted" being the operative word....
frustrated detective
06-25-2012, 04:18 AM
Yeah of course the lawyer costs.....and also the set up costs again. I know if I considered leaving my husband (which im not), I would need to consider rental, bond, furnishings (atleast some), money for bills, some set up of phone costs......It could quickly run into the thousands. Thousands, I just can ill afford. I could not afford to divorce my husband currently.
In the case of Allison and GBC they each had parents who would clearly have taken them if they were desperate IMO.
Woombite
06-25-2012, 04:20 AM
i think saying to TM that he couldn't afford to get a divorce was just his way of pretending he still had assets and money, and Allison would get half of them.
I wonder how TM thought he was going to be free without getting a divorce then, after he said that?
Yup - use the scenario that wife would get bigger split of the pot having primary care of 3 kids as well as he would be whacked by child support. What a prize.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:20 AM
In the case of Allison and GBC they each had parents who would clearly have taken them if they were desperate IMO.
I think it is very possible that she was already making plans for it, however he would have lost face and would not have wanted that.
possumheart
06-25-2012, 04:21 AM
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
This particular forum is littered with women who trusted their husbands. That's why they are now giving this advice.
Don't be so hard on them. Mine went past Kholo Bridge without me today. He just confessed that he stopped and checked the flowers. They aren't all bad.
Detect
06-25-2012, 04:21 AM
An interesting thing happened with my last 'post'. part of a word I used was erased and replaced with asterisks. I thought it was the Mods, but googled my word to see if it was a problem, and came across the following term "Scunthorpe problem" which indicated that the word was probably attacked because a 'bad' word could be formed by removing letters from the front and end of my word - so automatic editing!!! (The term originally referred to the residents of a town called Scunthorpe, who were originally unable to join AOL because of the same problem with their town name - if you get the drift)
WOW - learnt something new.
Sorry Mods if this is off topic, but relevant to my post.
truth_morph
06-25-2012, 04:23 AM
In regards to the 'can't afford a divorce' quote. I reiterate what I wrote in an earlier post - a half of nothing's nothing right?
From the MSM reports (re: the financial difficulties), it seems they had nothing to distribute. If ABC left him, I guess the value of the business is the rental roll only. It seems they didn't own a home and were up to their bazooka's in debt.
So, I think the comment 'I can't afford a divorce' was another delusional pork pie and if TM bought that suggestion, she had no idea about the dude she was horizontal folk dancing with.
J-Diggety
06-25-2012, 04:23 AM
... maybe she already has one? :floorlaugh:
:floorlaugh:
If not, I'll set one up for her, how much does she need?
She's an awesome Mum and a cracking wife (No, not the whip) so i Imagine i'll have to cough a bit?
Opinionsgalore
06-25-2012, 04:23 AM
Couldnt agree with you more, I have always taught my daughters this.
I have my own money and property in my own name. If my husband left tomorrow he would be in a much weaker financial position than me, he just doesnt know how much lol.
Isn't that sexism ?
The woman should have a secret bank account so she's financially ok if the marriage ends, but if the husband has secret bank account - its grounds for divorce.
And before I get hung, drawn and quartered I'll make my position clear. I'm a single mum raising two sons.
MOO
marlywings
06-25-2012, 04:23 AM
It's getting closer to the end of the Sica trial. I've found it interesting as Sica had similar alibi to GBC & it was all circumstantial evidence.
Just noticed today a coincidence with the dates in that case & Allison's case. Both almost the same date in April even though nine years apart.
June 25, 2012 11:42AM
He said the defence claimed Sica was at home between 11.10pm on April 20 2003 and 7am on April 21, 2003, when he picked up his children from his ex-wife's home.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/crown-must-prove-max-sica-was-at-the-scene-of-singh-siblings-murders-jury-told/story-e6freon6-1226407519495
Some interesting info today from Judge Byrne...
"Lies told by an accused may point to guilt only if motivated by a consciousness of guilt," Justice Byrne said.
"For a lie to have a tendency to prove guilt, it must be a lie which an innocent person would not tell, and which was told for the reason that the accused perceived that the truth is inconsistent with his innocence."
What Justice Byrne explained is called the Edward's Direction.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/lying-not-a-factor-in-sica-verdict-judge-20120625-20y5r.html#ixzz1yn4YHjGS
Edward's Direction...
Lies Told By The Defendant
(Consciousness of Guilt)
http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/86039/sd-bb-38-lies-told-by-deft-consciousness-of-guilt.pdf
BreakingNews
06-25-2012, 04:23 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
Good words of advice. My dear father told me exactly that when he was 92. "Always have some money of your own that only you know about". When Dad died, Mum was astounded at how much money he actually had! But I knew...
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:24 AM
Don't be so hard on them. Mine went past Kholo Bridge without me today. He just confessed that he stopped and checked the flowers. They aren't all bad.
You're right. Many are very good ... I just fell in love with the wrong ones!
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 04:24 AM
The mere fact that you may have to consider doing that, rings warning bells for me. If I thought it was necessary, I suspect I would end the relationship poste haste. Trust is the real test in marriage, not love.
Sorry off topic.:waitasec:
I would think that most people who marry truly love each other when they say "I do". As life unfolds pressures related to raising children ,paying the mortage etc. etc. etc.emerge as we know. Sometimes and I suggest more often than not (where divorce results) the partner who wants out has shown no evidence of wanting to leaves prior to announcing it at a time convenient to them.Happened to me. Just said "I don't love you anymore and haven't for 2 years" on Easter Sunday morning. I had absolutely no doubt in my mind that we were perfectly and wonderfully happy at the time. So how could I have got out of the marriage if I did't know 'what he was thinking'. I figured if the money I had put aside was not needed by me it would be a nice surprise in retirement, to produce the savings.I have put Trust in two men and have been sadly disappointed. If I hadn't had savings I would have been penniless prior to property settlement as one had stripped our joint savings account.
It's called self preservation and independence.
J-Diggety
06-25-2012, 04:26 AM
Don't be so hard on them. Mine went past Kholo Bridge without me today. He just confessed that he stopped and checked the flowers. They aren't all bad.
Thankyou
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:28 AM
Isn't that sexism ?
The woman should have a secret bank account so she's financially ok if the marriage ends, but if the husband has secret bank account - its grounds for divorce.
And before I get hung, drawn and quartered I'll make my position clear. I'm a single mum raising two sons.
MOO
... in most cases, the woman is left raising the kids (as you and I know - single mums) ... and sometimes you get peanuts child support too. If a man wants to stack money away, I have nothing against that, but I will too!
frustrated detective
06-25-2012, 04:28 AM
Couldnt agree with you more, I have always taught my daughters this.
I have my own money and property in my own name. If my husband left tomorrow he would be in a much weaker financial position than me, he just doesnt know how much lol.
You never know what the other party is doing behind the scenes either.
My ex-husband managed to get himself into both of my parents wills for as much as, or more than, my share (without my knowledge) while convincing me that he was still committed to me.
Needless to say I divorced him soon after I found out. He managed to get away with an inheritance of well over 100k though.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:28 AM
An interesting thing happened with my last 'post'. part of a word I used was erased and replaced with asterisks. I thought it was the Mods, but googled my word to see if it was a problem, and came across the following term "Scunthorpe problem" which indicated that the word was probably attacked because a 'bad' word could be formed by removing letters from the front and end of my word - so automatic editing!!! (The term originally referred to the residents of a town called Scunthorpe, who were originally unable to join AOL because of the same problem with their town name - if you get the drift)
WOW - learnt something new.
Sorry Mods if this is off topic, but relevant to my post.
HAHAHAHA....S.**********.H.O.R.P.E....you naughty person you....
I tried to post a word yesterday that means slyly-chuckling-whilst-whispering-something and the site kept telling me that I meant S*********.
:rolleyes: really!
Don't be so hard on them. Mine went past Kholo Bridge without me today. He just confessed that he stopped and checked the flowers. They aren't all bad.
Aww thats so nice of him Possum. :gthanks:
Detect
06-25-2012, 04:31 AM
HAHAHAHA....S.**********.H.O.R.P.E....you naughty person you....
I tried to post a word yesterday that means slyly-chuckling-whilst-whispering-something and the site kept telling me that I meant S*********.
:rolleyes: really!
YEP. Sounds familiar. Weird huh ?? :what:
Bayside
06-25-2012, 04:31 AM
Isn't that sexism ?
The woman should have a secret bank account so she's financially ok if the marriage ends, but if the husband has secret bank account - its grounds for divorce.
And before I get hung, drawn and quartered I'll make my position clear. I'm a single mum raising two sons.
MOO
My account is not secret, my account balance is lol.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:32 AM
Good Girl! :) .....urm boy!..... :)
... girl!
marlywings
06-25-2012, 04:34 AM
Don't be so hard on them. Mine went past Kholo Bridge without me today. He just confessed that he stopped and checked the flowers. They aren't all bad.
I agree possum...there's some fantastic marriages out there & I think the greater majority are that.... but unfortunately & sadly we so often only get to hear about those that have turned bad.
Detect
06-25-2012, 04:35 AM
Speaking of "O" (just reading your 'signature' on the bottom of your page Bayside), has anyone any info on how her fundraising is going - or not going ??
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 04:36 AM
My Dad had money stashed everywhere. If Mum knew where it was, she'd help herself. A couple of us were privy to where it was, each unbeknown to the other and sworn to secrecy. When he died, we found around $57000 around the house in different places. It paid for his funeral and what was left, in addition to what was in the bank supported Mum for the rest of her life. What she didn't seem to understand was that long term, he was doing it for her and us and she would benefit! It isn't necessarily a bad motive hiding things like that. Mum wasn't good with hanging onto money, if she had it, she spent it.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:36 AM
... girl!
I was trying to :fence:
possumheart
06-25-2012, 04:37 AM
I agree possum...there's some fantastic marriages out there & I think the greater majority are that.... but unfortunately & sadly we so often only get to hear about those that have turned bad.
We have been together for sixteen years. I haven't married him yet. He is still on trial.
Detect
06-25-2012, 04:38 AM
We have been together for sixteen years. I haven't married him yet. He is still on trial.
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Opinionsgalore
06-25-2012, 04:39 AM
... in most cases, the woman is left raising the kids (as you and I know - single mums) ... and sometimes you get peanuts child support too. If a man wants to stack money away, I have nothing against that, but I will too!
I personally don't go for joint accounts. Separate accounts, with both putting in for all the bills always seemed fairest to me :)
MOO
bellgirl
06-25-2012, 04:39 AM
It's getting closer to the end of the Sica trial. I've found it interesting as Sica had similar alibi to GBC & it was all circumstantial evidence.
Just noticed today a coincidence with the dates in that case & Allison's case. Both almost the same date in April even though nine years apart.
June 25, 2012 11:42AM
He said the defence claimed Sica was at home between 11.10pm on April 20 2003 and 7am on April 21, 2003, when he picked up his children from his ex-wife's home.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/crown-must-prove-max-sica-was-at-the-scene-of-singh-siblings-murders-jury-told/story-e6freon6-1226407519495
Some interesting info today from Judge Byrne...
"Lies told by an accused may point to guilt only if motivated by a consciousness of guilt," Justice Byrne said.
"For a lie to have a tendency to prove guilt, it must be a lie which an innocent person would not tell, and which was told for the reason that the accused perceived that the truth is inconsistent with his innocence."
What Justice Byrne explained is called the Edward's Direction.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/lying-not-a-factor-in-sica-verdict-judge-20120625-20y5r.html#ixzz1yn4YHjGS
Edward's Direction...
Lies Told By The Defendant
(Consciousness of Guilt)
http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/86039/sd-bb-38-lies-told-by-deft-consciousness-of-guilt.pdf
Wow! The coincidence in the dates is amazing. We lost our unborn baby on 20th April a number of years ago. I hate that date.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:39 AM
My Dad had money stashed everywhere. If Mum knew where it was, she'd help herself. A couple of us were privy to where it was, each unbeknown to the other and sworn to secrecy. When he died, we found around $57000 around the house in different places. It paid for his funeral and what was left, in addition to what was in the bank supported Mum for the rest of her life. What she didn't seem to understand was that long term, he was doing it for her and us and she would benefit! It isn't necessarily a bad motive hiding things like that. Mum wasn't good with hanging onto money, if she had it, she spent it.
What a great story!!! I love hearing about those stories...so "old school":
US vs THE BANKS and the "US" winning!
Bayside
06-25-2012, 04:40 AM
You never know what the other party is doing behind the scenes either.
My ex-husband managed to get himself into both of my parents wills for as much as, or more than, my share (without my knowledge) while convincing me that he was still committed to me.
Needless to say I divorced him soon after I found out. He managed to get away with an inheritance of well over 100k though.
Oh geez that is bad.
My husbands pay goes into our joint account and all of our bills are paid out of this. He has his credit card which he uses day to day and I pay the the cc bill out of our joint account. I know every cent he spends right down to what he had for lunch haha.
Hubby is not interested in the money side of things as long as he gets his little luxuries in life he is a happy man. He says he has enough stresses day to day without worrying about the $$$$$$.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:44 AM
We have been together for sixteen years. I haven't married him yet. He is still on trial.
My first marriage was 9 years ... my second was 15 years ... there won't be a third! :floorlaugh:
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 04:46 AM
I personally don't go for joint accounts. Separate accounts, with both putting in for all the bills always seemed fairest to me :)
MOO
Yes, I've always had separate bank accounts too.
Jillie
06-25-2012, 04:49 AM
My first marriage was 9 years ... my second was 15 years ... there won't be a third! :floorlaugh:
My first was 13 years and I learnt never to go back for seconds...(sorry to all the great guys out there)
:therethere:
Radster
06-25-2012, 04:51 AM
I not going to argue, but if it is their decision to stay FB friend's with him I am going to respect that. Everyone has the right to make up their own mind about this case.
I unfriended him the day after the bail hearing. That was my line in the sand. I respect others' positions, though, and I think some people (such as infrequent FB users) probably don't even realise they are still "friends" with him, having maybe accepted a friend request a couple of years ago or so. I doubt Campbell Newman realised he was still "friends" with GBC ... his media peeps would have noticed on his behalf. And yes, there are probably some who are too fearful or curious to hit the Unfriend button. I have to say it felt good. Like, I hit it HARD. :)
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 04:52 AM
My first marriage was 9 years ... my second was 15 years ... there won't be a third! :floorlaugh:
Both of mine lasted 20 years each and at that rate I haven't got enough time left for another one based on average life expectancy.:slap:
Opinionsgalore
06-25-2012, 04:55 AM
It's getting closer to the end of the Sica trial. I've found it interesting as Sica had similar alibi to GBC & it was all circumstantial evidence.
Just noticed today a coincidence with the dates in that case & Allison's case. Both almost the same date in April even though nine years apart.
June 25, 2012 11:42AM
He said the defence claimed Sica was at home between 11.10pm on April 20 2003 and 7am on April 21, 2003, when he picked up his children from his ex-wife's home.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/crown-must-prove-max-sica-was-at-the-scene-of-singh-siblings-murders-jury-told/story-e6freon6-1226407519495
Some interesting info today from Judge Byrne...
"Lies told by an accused may point to guilt only if motivated by a consciousness of guilt," Justice Byrne said.
"For a lie to have a tendency to prove guilt, it must be a lie which an innocent person would not tell, and which was told for the reason that the accused perceived that the truth is inconsistent with his innocence."
What Justice Byrne explained is called the Edward's Direction.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/lying-not-a-factor-in-sica-verdict-judge-20120625-20y5r.html#ixzz1yn4YHjGS
Edward's Direction...
Lies Told By The Defendant
(Consciousness of Guilt)
http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/86039/sd-bb-38-lies-told-by-deft-consciousness-of-guilt.pdf
That's just creepy ..... Good pickup !!
MOO
marlywings
06-25-2012, 04:56 AM
I unfriended him the day after the bail hearing. That was my line in the sand. I respect others' positions, though, and I think some people (such as infrequent FB users) probably don't even realise they are still "friends" with him, having maybe accepted a friend request a couple of years ago or so. I doubt Campbell Newman realised he was still "friends" with GBC ... his media peeps would have noticed on his behalf. And yes, there are probably some who are too fearful or curious to hit the Unfriend button. I have to say it felt good. Like, I hit it HARD. :)
Some probably don't place any importance whatsoever on Facebook & rarely use it.
DunnoZo
06-25-2012, 04:56 AM
Don't be so hard on them. Mine went past Kholo Bridge without me today. He just confessed that he stopped and checked the flowers. They aren't all bad.
Cool. I'm so glad you said that. I truly am either so naive, or so lucky. I think so lucky. But Thank you ladies for your words of wisdom!
Thinking
06-25-2012, 04:58 AM
Hi all - I've been dwelling on this point and would really like to hear all of your opinions.
Was there an accomplice in this murder?? I feel it in my bones that there was at least one. Or at the very least, an accessory after the fact. Are we going to see an arrest?
I'm starting to feel the same exasperation about it that I felt in the lead up to GBC's arrest - will an arrest ever happen and will that person ever be accountable?
Rational
06-25-2012, 05:02 AM
Perhaps you should give this advice to Brooke.in case things don't work out with Ridge. Which I am assuming they won't!!!
I think this is advice we should give to our daughters!!!
Things won't work out with Ridge otherwise what do we have to look forward to in 3-6 months time??? :floorlaugh:
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 05:08 AM
Hi all - I've been dwelling on this point and would really like to hear all of your opinions.
Was there an accomplice in this murder?? I feel it in my bones that there was at least one. Or at the very least, an accessory after the fact. Are we going to see an arrest?
I'm starting to feel the same exasperation about it that I felt in the lead up to GBC's arrest - will an arrest ever happen and will that person ever be accountable?
IMO if there was an accomplice it was the person on the other end of the midnight phone call. Whether there is an arrest would depend on the depth of alleged involvement or indeed what if any knowledge he/she had prior to/after the crime.I would think NBC/? will not comment on the contents of the conversation that night and will just hope GBC won't implicate him/her IMO.
Bayside
06-25-2012, 05:12 AM
Speaking of "O" (just reading your 'signature' on the bottom of your page Bayside), has anyone any info on how her fundraising is going - or not going ??
I have no clue, I am not on their mailing list lol.
I think it would have taken quite a hit after the bail hearing.
Timmy
06-25-2012, 05:12 AM
I think this is advice we should give to our daughters!!!
Things won't work out with Ridge otherwise what do we have to look forward to in 3-6 months tome??? :floorlaugh:
....... And don't trust women who've had as much plastic surgery as Taylor!!!IMO
BreakingNews
06-25-2012, 05:12 AM
Speaking of "O" (just reading your 'signature' on the bottom of your page Bayside), has anyone any info on how her fundraising is going - or not going ??
My guess is that she's probably raised about $1.50. JMO.
Bayside
06-25-2012, 05:16 AM
My guess is that she's probably raised about $1.50. JMO.
Well I tried to deposit one cent and the min you could deposit was one dollar so she might have raised two dollars lol.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 05:19 AM
Hi all - I've been dwelling on this point and would really like to hear all of your opinions.
Was there an accomplice in this murder?? I feel it in my bones that there was at least one. Or at the very least, an accessory after the fact. Are we going to see an arrest?
I'm starting to feel the same exasperation about it that I felt in the lead up to GBC's arrest - will an arrest ever happen and will that person ever be accountable?
I think there was one accomplice after the fact and maybe others that are now withholding information (obstruction of justice?). IMO.
Bayside
06-25-2012, 05:21 AM
I think there was one accomplice after the fact and maybe others that are now withholding information (obstruction of justice?). IMO.
I agree.
Keentoknow
06-25-2012, 05:26 AM
I think there was one accomplice after the fact and maybe others that are now withholding information (obstruction of justice?). IMO.
They are probably flopping around like untrained seals waiting for Det Ainsworth to knock on the door. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Aunty
06-25-2012, 05:26 AM
So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.
And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.
Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.
So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?
If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.
Just catching up.
OMG Laidan, this is great sleuthing. :what:
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 05:27 AM
Is there something like "spousal confidentiality" in law, meaning if a husband told the wife something and she does not inform the authorities, would she get away with it?
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 05:28 AM
IMO if there was an accomplice it was the person on the other end of the midnight phone call. Whether there is an arrest would depend on the depth of alleged involvement or indeed what if any knowledge he/she had prior to/after the crime.I would think NBC/? will not comment on the contents of the conversation that night and will just hope GBC won't implicate him/her IMO.
I also think that if multiple members of his family gained knowledge after the fact, that GBC will plead guilty prior to committal hearing, if his legal team say they (family members) will be charged if it goes to trial and he is found guilty.I tip he will fess up prior to committal hearing ,if other family members are involved ,hoping it will avoid further charges being made. MOO of course. :twocents:
willough
06-25-2012, 05:29 AM
If I can give one piece of advise to any woman, no matter how good their relationships are at the moment, is to have a separate bank account and slowly put money away for any unexpected event in their marriage. Trust me, you never know what the future holds. I am speaking from experience ... twice!
I appreciate the advice.....It is something my mom has also advised me of. She has done this for over 40 years. Not necessarily as a just "incase he leaves or has an affair". It moreso helps her feel that should she need to be independent, that she could do it....It empowers her. She was always a stay at home mom and I feel this gives her some confidence.. There are certain emotions one feels as a stay at home mum I feel....and they vary. When money is great, I feel very lucky. When things are tight, I feel awful, lazy, depressed, like no matter what I do can never be enough.
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 05:32 AM
I think there was one accomplice after the fact and maybe others that are now withholding information (obstruction of justice?). IMO.
My thoughts are along these lines.....I think one accomplice helped in the aftermath of the murder and there are probably a couple more with knowledge but they didnt have anything to do with it directly.....IMO
willough
06-25-2012, 05:33 AM
I never used a lawyer in my divorce apart from a one off consult, which cost me $99.
If a person does wish to leave and it will plunge them into extreme difficulties, Centrelink will issue an emergency payment which is usually in the thousands to help you out, esp if you are escaping due to difficult circs.
Also help with rental, bond, etc.
Of course when you look at leaving, it seems insurmountable. Once you've done it, you realise that it's not.
I seriously thought that it cost so much more than that.....Times sure must have changed. I remember years ago when my sister left her husband (he was a boozer and would often kiss other women in front of her). She had to move in with my parents with her son, I was in year 12 and it was a trying time for all, as the house was 2 bedroom.
We are so blessed to have a government that are so helpful in such situations.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 05:33 AM
I appreciate the advice.....It is something my mom has also advised me of. She has done this for over 40 years. Not necessarily as a just "incase he leaves or has an affair". It moreso helps her feel that should she need to be independent, that she could do it....It empowers her. She was always a stay at home mom and I feel this gives her some confidence.. There are certain emotions one feels as a stay at home mum I feel....and they vary. When money is great, I feel very lucky. When things are tight, I feel awful, lazy, depressed, like no matter what I do can never be enough.
I understand the feeling. I was a stay-at-home mum for five years, but having had my financial independence before that, I did go back to work part-time first and full time later. I needed that financial security again. Although I now can't wait until I retire! :floorlaugh:
Caviar
06-25-2012, 05:34 AM
I think in one of the news reports (possibly one of the ones where he didn't get bail) i seen something mentioned about if this goes to trial Does anyone know what happens if it doesn't go to trial?? I'm trying to find the link but not having much success
dear willough - I have just taken a precis from the court file from the bail hearing and noticed that GBC has a few friends supporting him. I was curious as to who would support him at this stage as this has to be an affi davit that needs to be sworntrue by at least a JP. I have coloured it to indicated the people that I couldn't find by doing a goodgle search.
There is nothing sinister or alarming or really even new about this info just seeing who is gullible enough at this stage to support GBC. And it turns out there still are a few believers.....
I wouldn't read too much into this list. The character references/affidavits may well have been asked for very early on into the case (as we know the lawyer was engaged really early). Their views may well have changed since writing them and hearing the facts presented by the Prosecution at the bail hearing.
A similar thing happened to my husband and our friends. A very good friend of ours, who we had known since school, had been arrested over an awful crime and many of us, if not all, believed 100% in his innocence. You think you know someone. They can be very convincing when they are almost begging you to help them out of the mess they innocently find themselves in.
It wasn't until the case went to court that we realised the truth and the EXTENT of his crime. Our 'dear' friend is currently in jail for conviction for production of over 2000 images of child pornography. Those of us that wrote character statements are left feeling cheated, gutted and also left questioning our own judgement of people. You just never think that you could have a friend that could do that!!!!! ..and neither did they probably.
Opinionsgalore
06-25-2012, 05:35 AM
Sorry - got my 'quote' wrong - dang !
willough
06-25-2012, 05:35 AM
dear willough - I have just taken a precis from the court file from the bail hearing and noticed that GBC has a few friends supporting him. I was curious as to who would support him at this stage as this has to be an affi davit that needs to be sworntrue by at least a JP. I have coloured it to indicated the people that I couldn't find by doing a goodgle search.
There is nothing sinister or alarming or really even new about this info just seeing who is gullible enough at this stage to support GBC. And it turns out there still are a few believers.....
It's absolutely wonderful that you did this Liadan....I was so very confused about what it was about.....Who the people were? what the meanings meant?....Im blown away people are even supportive of his crap.
Thanks so much for clearing it up.....Quite frankly, with ths stuff, I wouldnt know if my a$$ was on fire. Ive never been good with court terms etc :(
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 05:35 AM
My thoughts are along these lines.....I think one accomplice helped in the aftermath of the murder and there are probably a couple more with knowledge but they didnt have anything to do with it directly.....IMO
I agree, but these could still be charged with something like obstruction IMO.
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 05:37 AM
Is there something like "spousal confidentiality" in law, meaning if a husband told the wife something and she does not inform the authorities, would she get away with it?
I asked police officer (close relative) this question on the weekend, they said...no, no charge....I was amazed, surely if you have knowledge of criminal act you are bound to report what you know and if you dont then there should be a charge if it turns out the criminal act is proven to have occurred
Oh, and YES I think the accomplice will eventually be arrested, I havE faith in the QPS
Thinking
06-25-2012, 05:39 AM
They are probably flopping around like untrained seals waiting for Det Ainsworth to knock on the door. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Thanks ktk and everyone else for responding re this!
If that is the case, I wonder what he (Ainsworth) is waiting for.
More tests to come back (who knew it took 8+ weeks for the phone tests to come back)? They took bags of stuff from the BC senior residence.
Someone to blab (which is not going to happen if it is only family members involved)?
The police made it clear from very early on that they believed there was an accomplice. There have been more than one reported sightings of two cars (so there is probably/hopefully more evidence there that we don't know about).
Surely the face time call in itself is enough to warrant more action than just a one hour visit the other night (granted there were 5 detectives)?
But only GBC and ABC's cars were impounded. One has been released.
What are they waiting for? Arrest them already!!!
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 05:39 AM
I also think that if multiple members of his family gained knowledge after the fact, that GBC will plead guilty prior to committal hearing, if his legal team say they (family members) will be charged if it goes to trial and he is found guilty.I tip he will fess up prior to committal hearing ,if other family members are involved ,hoping it will avoid further charges being made. MOO of course. :twocents:
I think if he pleads guilty, any others involved would still be charged.
Opinionsgalore
06-25-2012, 05:39 AM
Is there something like "spousal confidentiality" in law, meaning if a husband told the wife something and she does not inform the authorities, would she get away with it?
Quote'......The High Court held that the common law does not recognise a privilege against spousal incrimination. What does this mean? In simple terms, the decision confirms that a witness cannot refuse to give evidence against their husband, wife or partner, in proceedings in where they are otherwise compelled to do so in the ACC.'
From: http://www.bemlaw.com.au/uncategorized/no-privilege-of-spousal-incrimination-in-proceedings-before-the-australian-crime-commission/
MOO
Thinking
06-25-2012, 05:41 AM
I think there was one accomplice after the fact and maybe others that are now withholding information (obstruction of justice?). IMO.
If someone comes and looks after the children while others went out to Anstead - would that someone (babysitter) be an accomplice? In my view yes - but there is no legal basis for that view. Probably more likely an accessory after the fact.
bellgirl
06-25-2012, 05:41 AM
Hi all - I've been dwelling on this point and would really like to hear all of your opinions.
Was there an accomplice in this murder?? I feel it in my bones that there was at least one. Or at the very least, an accessory after the fact. Are we going to see an arrest?
I'm starting to feel the same exasperation about it that I felt in the lead up to GBC's arrest - will an arrest ever happen and will that person ever be accountable?
I really believe that there was an accomplice that helped transport ABC's body to Kholo and maybe even assisted with the cleanup after. I can't get past the 2 car sighting/s at Kholo Creek (reported?) and at Anstead (rumour/trumour?) I also think that maybe someone else was at the house watching the girls, while the transporting was taking place.
And ........ the phone call! Now, why would you be ringing your Dad in the middle of the night - when you are 'supposed' to be fast asleep?! If there was an accomplice, it certainly looks like NBC. IMO
I'm feeling your pain Thinking. It's so frustrating! However, look at how long it took to get the info about the phone call - they seized GBC's phone weeks ago and the QPS only got the details back just before the Bail Hearing. I guess some processes take a very long time and maybe that's why they haven't made any more arrests ............ yet ??
Let's keep faith - and fingers and toes crossed :)
Rational
06-25-2012, 05:42 AM
Just on a completely different tack as I have been reading some of the previous threads (yes I know !!! :lol: it is sad) and if it is true that GBChad more than one affair going on at the time of the murder how come there has been little speculation about some of the other paramours been involved and there has only been a focus on TM and Nigelaine.
Maybe the reason he tried to keep things on the boil with TM was because of his financial involvement and may have been getting someone else to assist him?
Just a thought maybe not very useful but am scratching the barrel at the moment!
I found this on thread 1- posted by Alicat
Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijayne
Also further along there is Mt Crosby, a State Forest and even a Lake. The thing in this area there is plenty of places to hide something or someone.
I'm out this way and I kept getting eerie feelings around Kholo Creek overpass. I know it probably sounds silly, but its the 'what if.'
Alicat's intuition was so accurate. It freaked her out though.
willough
06-25-2012, 05:46 AM
I understand the feeling. I was a stay-at-home mum for five years, but having had my financial independence before that, I did go back to work part-time first and full time later. I needed that financial security again. Although I now can't wait until I retire! :floorlaugh:
Ive been a stay at home mum for 8 years now.....and I need to pull myself out of this rut I am in. I love being here for the children, but I do feel that for me, I need to work. Im a chatter box as much offline as I am online, so I dont really need it for adult conversation....But moreso for the financial aspect.
I think it is misunderstood, just how much a big step it is for mums to get back out there after so long out of working....and you should be very proud of yourself that you did it....Retirement = BLISS.....I cant wait, but it will be a while yet.... :floorlaugh:
Thinking
06-25-2012, 05:46 AM
I agree, but these could still be charged with something like obstruction IMO.
"Could" be, and "Should" be, in my view! To cover up something like this is absolutely abhorrent and an awful insult to Allison - disgusting. I hope they feel the full extent of the law if this is true.
Thinking
06-25-2012, 05:50 AM
I really believe that there was an accomplice that helped transport ABC's body to Kholo and maybe even assisted with the cleanup after. I can't get past the 2 car sighting/s at Kholo Creek (reported?) and at Anstead (rumour/trumour?) I also think that maybe someone else was at the house watching the girls, while the transporting was taking place.
And ........ the phone call! Now, why would you be ringing your Dad in the middle of the night - when you are 'supposed' to be fast asleep?! If there was an accomplice, it certainly looks like NBC. IMO
I'm feeling your pain Thinking. It's so frustrating! However, look at how long it took to get the info about the phone call - they seized GBC's phone weeks ago and the QPS only got the details back just before the Bail Hearing. I guess some processes take a very long time and maybe that's why they haven't made any more arrests ............ yet ??
Let's keep faith - and fingers and toes crossed :)
Thanks bellgirl - very wise words indeed :)
frustrated detective
06-25-2012, 05:50 AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/early-hours-call-to-father-alleged/story-e6freon6-1226406384696
I still find this photo of GBC and his father extremely bizarre; as far as I can see they are not touching at all except perhaps slightly at the shoulders.
Maybe it was just taken at the wrong moment, who knows, but to me it says "odd".
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 05:51 AM
"Could" be, and "Should" be, in my view! To cover up something like this is absolutely abhorrent and an awful insult to Allison - disgusting. I hope they feel the full extent of the law if this is true.
Very well said Thinking!! Here's hoping that they do receive everything they deserve, what goes round comes round I say
kalamityk
06-25-2012, 05:52 AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/early-hours-call-to-father-alleged/story-e6freon6-1226406384696
I still find this photo of GBC and his father extremely bizarre; as far as I can see they are not touching at all except perhaps slightly at the shoulders.
Maybe it was just taken at the wrong moment, who knows, but to me it says "odd".
I always thought that too - my son and husband hug 'properly'
willough
06-25-2012, 05:54 AM
I always thought that too - my son and husband hug 'properly'
I think it was taken a split second too early...IMO They were just about to cuddle.
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 05:57 AM
Yep, I have to agree, i think the shot was snapped just as they were going in for the hug...a second too soon
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 05:57 AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/early-hours-call-to-father-alleged/story-e6freon6-1226406384696
I still find this photo of GBC and his father extremely bizarre; as far as I can see they are not touching at all except perhaps slightly at the shoulders.
Maybe it was just taken at the wrong moment, who knows, but to me it says "odd".
If the photo had been snapped a millisecond later they would have completed the hug a millisecond earlier they would have been approaching each other to hug. Nothing odd ...just timing of the photograph IMO :waitasec:
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 05:58 AM
Ive been a stay at home mum for 8 years now.....and I need to pull myself out of this rut I am in. I love being here for the children, but I do feel that for me, I need to work. Im a chatter box as much offline as I am online, so I dont really need it for adult conversation....But moreso for the financial aspect.
I think it is misunderstood, just how much a big step it is for mums to get back out there after so long out of working....and you should be very proud of yourself that you did it....Retirement = BLISS.....I cant wait, but it will be a while yet.... :floorlaugh:
My mum always worked (due to necessity) and we went to after school care. We never begrudged her for that. She was home as soon as she finished work and was always with us on weekend, as was my dad. It worked fine for us. I think mums at home get stuck in a lonely place (I felt it too) and I was in a better mood overall after returning to work.
willough
06-25-2012, 06:01 AM
It wasn't until the case went to court that we realised the truth and the EXTENT of his crime. Our 'dear' friend is currently in jail for conviction for production of over 2000 images of child pornography. Those of us that wrote character statements are left feeling cheated, gutted and also left questioning our own judgement of people. You just never think that you could have a friend that could do that!!!!! ..and neither did they probably.
You shouldnt feel that way about yourself....There will always be the occasional person who pulls the wool over everyone eyes. No-one ever thinks that a friend could ever so anything ugly. Often things like child pornography/fetishes/ anything abnormal is often unseen by those around them.....They hide these things so well :(
You poor dear though....That would have been awful.
summer_breeze
06-25-2012, 06:06 AM
At the cricket day the singer said beforehand something to the effect that his highlight was going to be singing Summer Breeze. Not that I'm sleuthing anyone!
Same re breaking news and Summer Breeze gets that song in my head all day :banghead:
...........Makes me feel fine....blowing through the jasmine in my mind.
:D
If the photo had been snapped a millisecond later they would have completed the hug a millisecond earlier they would have been approaching each other to hug. Nothing odd ...just timing of the photograph IMO :waitasec:
I agree MG
willough
06-25-2012, 06:09 AM
My mum always worked (due to necessity) and we went to after school care. We never begrudged her for that. She was home as soon as she finished work and was always with us on weekend, as was my dad. It worked fine for us. I think mums at home get stuck in a lonely place (I felt it too) and I was in a better mood overall after returning to work.
Oh no, I wouldn't begrudge anyone......Everyone has their own way....There is no wrong way. After I had my first, 11 yrs back, I worked weekends around the corner from home as a real estate receptionist and 3 evenings a week I did check out chick work at woolies.......and i kept that up till i was 7 months pregnant to my second......Then after him I felt physically tired.
We best get back on track, before kimmy zaps us with her ray gun....or summer breeze blows us with a wind we will never forget....winks. xx
I also think that if multiple members of his family gained knowledge after the fact, that GBC will plead guilty prior to committal hearing, if his legal team say they (family members) will be charged if it goes to trial and he is found guilty.I tip he will fess up prior to committal hearing ,if other family members are involved ,hoping it will avoid further charges being made. MOO of course. :twocents:
IMO he is not that selfless. It is all about ME.
Wonder Woman
06-25-2012, 06:13 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
Just catching up.
OMG Laidan, this is great sleuthing. :what:
Yes I agree totally with what liadan is saying
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 06:17 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
I've thought about it and to be honest, I don't know what I would do. One way or the other, I would loose my child, because they would end up in jail whether I dobbed them in, convinced them to confess or whether the police investigation ended with their arrest.
I asked police officer (close relative) this question on the weekend, they said...no, no charge....I was amazed, surely if you have knowledge of criminal act you are bound to report what you know and if you dont then there should be a charge if it turns out the criminal act is proven to have occurred
Oh, and YES I think the accomplice will eventually be arrested, I havE faith in the QPS
Surely they could be at least be charged with perverting the course of justice?
willough
06-25-2012, 06:22 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
It sure is hard, isn't it.....I would support my son....I certainly wouldn't hate him. But if he called me and said what he had done....I would like to think, that I would say. "Dont touch her, I am coming now".....and once I got there, I would sit him down and explain that he must call the police....and that I will be here for him.
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
My daughters said to me yesterday
'you would never cover for us in a situation like this'
They know me well. And I hope my moral standards are ingrained in my daughters - they know what is morally right and wrong.
KG1 just said it all - with GBC 'it's all about me'. Not only Allison's death, but so many lives destroyed; and to ( allegedly) involve your elderly parents... how selfish can a person be!
Monty
06-25-2012, 06:23 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
I would reinforce our values and have him tell the truth to spare the agony for all innocent parties, that's what I would do. That is what IMHO the majoritynof decent community members would do.. I would not condone deception, to prolong the agony of the children, her family, the time of the police, SES, the courts and taxpayers money when those resources could go to a truly baffling crime.
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 06:27 AM
Yup - use the scenario that wife would get bigger split of the pot having primary care of 3 kids as well as he would be whacked by child support. What a prize.
Not necessarily. It's 50% each in Aus unless you can prove you don't have a high earning potential. Hardly the case for ABC.
Also, 50% of NOTHING is NOTHING.
You don't get whacked by child support. Each parent is given 19000 before their income is considered. If he ran his own business and wished to claim he wasn't earning 19K, which is easy, he could quite easily plead poverty and pay nothing.
Like my ex husband.
Leaving me with three gorgeous children and paying a pittance towards their upkeep.
Once a cheat, always a cheat.
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 06:28 AM
Surely they could be at least be charged with perverting the course of justice?
My thoughts exactly Nads, I was very surprised with what i was told, they were adamant though and if correct I think it's just plain wrong, I plan to continue the conversation though and ask some more questions
Edited to add.....the police officer I was discussing this is in no way involved in this case..we were just having a general conversation regarding possible charges
Monty
06-25-2012, 06:28 AM
Have been pondering the funeral......it's obvious there was inside knowledge from GBC's family of his/their involvement. I wish they had never gone to gawk, it's the apitemy of disrespect, what sort of people are they? iMO....SHAME!
BrissyLass
06-25-2012, 06:34 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
I never, EVER want to go down that road and have to make those sorts of decisions
So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.
And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.
Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.
So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?
If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.
Insider friend told me right after GBC was arrested police went to interview OW. Sorry that's all I have on that subject, but I'm still researching a secondary source.
So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.
And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.
Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.
So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?
If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.
"Blue rental car" you say. Is this the same care GBC crashed? also the same car that was allegedly seen trailing a white car the night ABC went missing?:waitasec:
Mothergoose
06-25-2012, 06:38 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
I agree...if it was me I would probably first call an ambulance then the police and would hightail it over to the house to protect my grandchildren. Son or not I wouldn't entertain protecting him if he allegedly killed his wife under any circumstances and I love my sons dearly.I just know I would not stop to think about what is the right thing to do.
Woombite
06-25-2012, 06:40 AM
Not necessarily. It's 50% each in Aus unless you can prove you don't have a high earning potential. Hardly the case for ABC.
Also, 50% of NOTHING is NOTHING.
You don't get whacked by child support. Each parent is given 19000 before their income is considered. If he ran his own business and wished to claim he wasn't earning 19K, which is easy, he could quite easily plead poverty and pay nothing.
Like my ex husband.
Leaving me with three gorgeous children and paying a pittance towards their upkeep.
Once a cheat, always a cheat.
Sorry - but i view him using that scenario whether factual or not to convince his love interest that he had something to lose both assetwise and also incomewise.
in addition, Both parties' earning capacity is taken into account with child support assessments however if someone has deliberately divested themselves of convertible assets or change of job to deliberately reduce their adjusted income, they can be assesed as having a bigger earning capacity. I have been on an external review tribunal reviewing csa matters and have seen some shocking situations on both sides of the equation with people claming tree change situations to avoid their cs obligation. I would also strongly recommend that parties affected by what appear to be unreasonable assessments to appeal the decision both within the CSA and to SSAT if need be and at no cost. They will do extensive examinations and investigation if provided with some evidence.
Limaes
06-25-2012, 06:42 AM
Hi all - I've been dwelling on this point and would really like to hear all of your opinions.
Was there an accomplice in this murder?? I feel it in my bones that there was at least one. Or at the very least, an accessory after the fact. Are we going to see an arrest?
I'm starting to feel the same exasperation about it that I felt in the lead up to GBC's arrest - will an arrest ever happen and will that person ever be accountable?
I have been thinking about how much information you can pass on in 1min 23sec.
Is that long enough to explain to someone that has no prior knowledge? It would be a shock to the person receiving the call. There would be the what, how, why and what to do next. If I received a call from someone saying they had just killed another it would take a bit to sink in. I would be in shock and possibly think they were having me on.
If the person DID have prior knowledge then it wouldn't take long at all. Even if it happened earlier than expected.
jmo
...........Makes me feel fine....blowing through the jasmine in my mind.
:D
I love that song and come to think of it.......when I noticed the thread changed to NO BAIL the other day, I couldn't get Nutbush City Limits outta my head..........
No whiskey for sale
If you get drunk no bail!
Salt pork and molasses
Is all you get in jail
They call it nutbush, oh nutbush
They call it nutbush city limits...............
Hey did any of you hear that a certain womaniser was also a cocaine addict or did I dream that?
Limaes
06-25-2012, 06:44 AM
"Blue rental car" you say. Is this the same care GBC crashed? also the same car that was allegedly seen trailing a white car the night ABC went missing?:waitasec:
I think (not sure) that OW owned the gold Suzuki they were using.
I have been thinking about how much information you can pass on in 1min 23sec.
Is that long enough to explain to someone that has no prior knowledge? It would be a shock to the person receiving the call. There would be the what, how, why and what to do next. If I received a call from someone saying they had just killed another it would take a bit to sink in. I would be in shock and possibly think they were having me on.
If the person DID have prior knowledge then it wouldn't take long at all. Even if it happened earlier than expected.
jmo
No but it might be enough to say that you're in a flat panic and need to meet up JMO
ozazure
06-25-2012, 06:47 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
I hope I would call the police. I might have to participate initially in fear of my own life but I think it is better for the guilty party to pay for their crime even if I plan to support them the whole way through it. I would however most likely be so grieved by the loss of my DIL or SIL that it would be a long journey to acceptance and forgiveness in order to do that. It would be much easier to support them if the victim was not a loved one also.
I do cut the baden-clays some slack in that there might be a lot of dysfunction in that family that makes them like a frog in slowly heating water. I think someone like Gerard, repels people unused to such a character, but others can be duped, or it feeds into patterns deeply established in their relationships already. There's a lot of people who have dealt with a lot of crappy relationships in their life and so supporting a man who murders his wife, the mother of his children ... they can still feel the love and loyalty and their moral code is not strong enough to stand up to it.
Thinking
06-25-2012, 07:00 AM
I have been thinking about how much information you can pass on in 1min 23sec.
Is that long enough to explain to someone that has no prior knowledge? It would be a shock to the person receiving the call. There would be the what, how, why and what to do next. If I received a call from someone saying they had just killed another it would take a bit to sink in. I would be in shock and possibly think they were having me on.
If the person DID have prior knowledge then it wouldn't take long at all. Even if it happened earlier than expected.
jmo
Yes - although it could have also been an urgent, quick something has happened I need you to come over immediately I'm freaking out - yes son I'll be right there - kind of call? Some people go into business like mode in a crisis...
Edit: Mani had this thought before me, I see :)
It sure is hard, isn't it.....I would support my son....I certainly wouldn't hate him. But if he called me and said what he had done....I would like to think, that I would say. "Dont touch her, I am coming now".....and once I got there, I would sit him down and explain that he must call the police....and that I will be here for him.
Willough I totally agree with you. I hope I would do the same, I would do anything for my kids...but I could not lie.
A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough.
Or, like me, they are interested in seeing what gets posted now that it's all locked down and General Public can't see it. ::floorlaugh::
UnfoldingTruth
06-25-2012, 07:22 AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/early-hours-call-to-father-alleged/story-e6freon6-1226406384696
I still find this photo of GBC and his father extremely bizarre; as far as I can see they are not touching at all except perhaps slightly at the shoulders.
Maybe it was just taken at the wrong moment, who knows, but to me it says "odd".
i think its just the timing of when the photo was taken..mid hug.. so that is what was captured. Had the photographer taken it slightly before or after this point, it would have appeared different. MOO
OOPS..already answered by a few..sorry.:)
appleblossom
06-25-2012, 07:26 AM
I have thoughts that ABC found out too much... too much information that would incriminate the whole BC family... it wasn't just affairs.. not just gentlemen's deals... it was a whole lot more.
UnfoldingTruth
06-25-2012, 07:32 AM
Thanks ktk and everyone else for responding re this!
If that is the case, I wonder what he (Ainsworth) is waiting for.
More tests to come back (who knew it took 8+ weeks for the phone tests to come back)? They took bags of stuff from the BC senior residence.
Someone to blab (which is not going to happen if it is only family members involved)?
The police made it clear from very early on that they believed there was an accomplice. There have been more than one reported sightings of two cars (so there is probably/hopefully more evidence there that we don't know about).
Surely the face time call in itself is enough to warrant more action than just a one hour visit the other night (granted there were 5 detectives)?
But only GBC and ABC's cars were impounded. One has been released.
What are they waiting for? Arrest them already!!!
Evidence and timing.. hard as it must be for them to not just go in there and arrest anyone they know or suspect.. its got to be done right and patience is a virtue in something like this. MOO
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 07:40 AM
Sorry - but i view him using that scenario whether factual or not to convince his love interest that he had something to lose both assetwise and also incomewise.
in addition, Both parties' earning capacity is taken into account with child support assessments however if someone has deliberately divested themselves of convertible assets or change of job to deliberately reduce their adjusted income, they can be assesed as having a bigger earning capacity. I have been on an external review tribunal reviewing csa matters and have seen some shocking situations on both sides of the equation with people claming tree change situations to avoid their cs obligation. I would also strongly recommend that parties affected by what appear to be unreasonable assessments to appeal the decision both within the CSA and to SSAT if need be and at no cost. They will do extensive examinations and investigation if provided with some evidence.
Yes, it can be based on "Capacity to earn" rather than what actual income is.
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 07:46 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
I'd be physically ill then call the police and hightail it over there. I wouldn't help them to cover it up!
"Blue rental car" you say. Is this the same care GBC crashed? also the same car that was allegedly seen trailing a white car the night ABC went missing?:waitasec:
No. Courier Mail reported that the blue car sold at auction a few weeks back.
Edit: Mani had this thought before me, I see :)
ROFL:blushing: Happens all the time to me, especially as I read from the bottom up most times......lol
Isabellnecessary
06-25-2012, 07:52 AM
Sorry - but i view him using that scenario whether factual or not to convince his love interest that he had something to lose both assetwise and also incomewise.
in addition, Both parties' earning capacity is taken into account with child support assessments however if someone has deliberately divested themselves of convertible assets or change of job to deliberately reduce their adjusted income, they can be assesed as having a bigger earning capacity. I have been on an external review tribunal reviewing csa matters and have seen some shocking situations on both sides of the equation with people claming tree change situations to avoid their cs obligation. I would also strongly recommend that parties affected by what appear to be unreasonable assessments to appeal the decision both within the CSA and to SSAT if need be and at no cost. They will do extensive examinations and investigation if provided with some evidence.
You may be 'assessed' but as in my case, my ex owes over $10,000 in CS payments... and the CSA is powerless to get it. They're a toothless tigers. They can only claim his stuff if he upgrades his car, buys a boat etc. They ring me every few weeks... asking me what he's doing, what he drives, what his lifestyle is like... how do I know?
He knows the system better than they do... ergo he drives a rubbish car, only deals in cash. My ex has gone from earning $300,000 a year, to a $42, 000 a year job. Have I objected? Of course I have. Has he paid what he owes? Of course not. He is too busy investing in his latest girlfriend.
It's of no consequence. I make my own money. I don't need his.
Or, like me, they are interested in seeing what gets posted now that it's all locked down and General Public can't see it. ::floorlaugh::
Would love to see his next status update.
Who was it that said GBC was on drugs? Was that a rumour on here?
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 07:55 AM
My youngest just had to write a speech roughly a minute long. His goes for 1:30, he's a bit of a slow reader but it is actually quite a lot that one can say in that short time!
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 07:57 AM
You may be 'assessed' but as in my case, my ex owes over $10,000 in CS payments... and the CSA is powerless to get it. They're a toothless tigers. They can only claim his stuff if he upgrades his car, buys a boat etc. They ring me every few weeks... asking me what he's doing, what he drives, what his lifestyle is like... how do I know?
He knows the system better than they do... ergo he drives a rubbish car, only deals in cash. My ex has gone from earning $300,000 a year, to a $42, 000 a year job. Have I objected? Of course I have. Has he paid what he owes? Of course not. He is too busy investing in his latest girlfriend.
It's of no consequence. I make my own money. I don't need his.
I fully agree. In America they start by taking their drivers licence away and may also get jail time. Here, they do nothing except prevent them from travelling overseas if the unpaid child support is astronomic, but for $10,000 owed they do nothing. I get $50 a week!
Wonder Woman
06-25-2012, 07:58 AM
Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.
IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?
Thank you for your thoughtful responses to the above question that was posed in the above quoted Post. Your responses suggest to me that it is unlikely that NBC and EBC would have been involved in any premeditated killing. However, I think it is more likely than not that if GBC had killed ABC and told his parents, that his parents would have been motivated to assist GBC after the fact.
MOO :cow:
I get Limaes and Liadan mixed up! Does that happen to anyone else?
Spotted Reptile
06-25-2012, 08:00 AM
I'm sorry, but nobody knows how they will react to a crisis until it happens - family or otherwise. Yes, we'd all like to think we would support our loved ones and at the same time do the right thing, but in reality, we have no idea how we will behave. And if it does happen - the 3am phone call - there may be precious little time to take it all in and think through a course of action that makes sense as the disaster unfolds, especially if it's your precious child who needs you to save them NOW and please Mum/Dad don't tell anybody just GET HERE - how can you think in a measured and logical way when that hits you out of the blue?
I have a little experience in this, and believe me, as a parent you don't think of your ingrained values or how you should behave as a moral citizen, you just know your kid is in deep trouble and they need you stat, and off you go, trying not to drive like a lunatic but that little voice in your head is saying, hurry, hurry, hurry, don't get there too late, and you remember stupid things like their first words and how they looked in the crib after they were born and why didn't you tell them you loved them more often, and at the same time thank the gods that they called you first.
It's an awful shock to the system, and we don't always behave as we would like to, but that's human isn't it?
Thank you for your thoughtful responses to the above question that was posed in the above quoted Post. Your responses suggest to me that it is unlikely that NBC and EBC would have been involved in any premeditated killing. However, I think it is more likely than not that if GBC had killed ABC and told his parents, that his parents would have been motivated to assist GBC after the fact.
MOO :cow:
WW are you quoting yourself to yourself and then querying it or am I seeing double?
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:01 AM
Who was it that said GBC was on drugs? Was that a rumour on here?
Someone suggested he may have been using cocaine, but it was just a rumour.
J-Diggety
06-25-2012, 08:03 AM
Who was it that said GBC was on drugs? Was that a rumour on here?
Way out there rumour that one was, i think that was looking for reasons...
Someone suggested he may have been using cocaine, but it was just a rumour.
CC you are a legend with a memory like a steel trap! lol
Was that just a rumour - thought I had dreamed it!
Was that posited early on?
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:04 AM
I'm sorry, but nobody knows how they will react to a crisis until it happens - family or otherwise. Yes, we'd all like to think we would support our loved ones and at the same time do the right thing, but in reality, we have no idea how we will behave. And if it does happen - the 3am phone call - there may be precious little time to take it all in and think through a course of action that makes sense as the disaster unfolds, especially if it's your precious child who needs you to save them NOW and please Mum/Dad don't tell anybody just GET HERE - how can you think in a measured and logical way when that hits you out of the blue?
I have a little experience in this, and believe me, as a parent you don't think of your ingrained values or how you should behave as a moral citizen, you just know your kid is in deep trouble and they need you stat, and off you go, trying not to drive like a lunatic but that little voice in your head is saying, hurry, hurry, hurry, don't get there too late, and you remember stupid things like their first words and how they looked in the crib after they were born and why didn't you tell them you loved them more often, and at the same time thank the gods that they called you first.
It's an awful shock to the system, and we don't always behave as we would like to, but that's human isn't it?
I agree, that's why I said I don't know what I would do. I love my daughter (only child) more than myself and have no idea how I would react.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:05 AM
CC you are a legend with a memory like a steel trap! lol
Was that just a rumour - thought I had dreamed it!
Was that posited early on?
It was someone (can't remember names LOL) who looking at the photos and GBC's eyes thought the pupils were dilated, etc. etc.
Insider friend told me right after GBC was arrested police went to interview OW. Sorry that's all I have on that subject, but I'm still researching a secondary source.
Didn't QPS go to Townsville to interview her the same day that GBC was arrested, 13/6/2012? I am sure that I read that in media somewhere.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:07 AM
WW are you quoting yourself to yourself and then querying it or am I seeing double?
WW is quoting her original question as a reference, I think?
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:08 AM
Didn't QPS go to Townsville to interview her the same day that GBC was arrested, 13/6/2012? I am sure that I read that in media somewhere.
I don't think it was in the media at all. It was a poster who knew from good sources that detectives flew to Townsville to interview OW the day before or that morning.
Bayside
06-25-2012, 08:14 AM
I have thoughts that ABC found out too much... too much information that would incriminate the whole BC family... it wasn't just affairs.. not just gentlemen's deals... it was a whole lot more.
I have said this from day 1 ...... Over time I am sure more will come out.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:15 AM
(apologies WW) CC is that what they call double-dutch?
Hey have you noticed that OW looks quite different to her siblings?
And why is there so much speculation about her - is she a possible accomplice?
Many do, I have twin cousins (man and woman) and they look totally different, even being twins.
I think the general thought is that because she was apparently in Brisbane already when the murder happened, that she may know something or may have been involved in some shape, but it's just speculation.
Blue Bottle
06-25-2012, 08:16 AM
Didn't QPS go to Townsville to interview her the same day that GBC was arrested, 13/6/2012? I am sure that I read that in media somewhere.
I don't know, I've long forgotten who, but I do remember someone here saying that they know she was interviewed the day before he was arrested.
I can't remember seeing that said in any media news site though....
I don't get a lot of news about this where I am in NSW and have to rely on the QLD Courier Mail for updates so it's easy to miss some of the details.
Do most people here think that Allison was left under the Kholo Bridge?
The Kholo Creek is fed by the Flaggy Creek and I have wondered if Allison was left much further up along Flaggy Creek as why would he leave her so exposed near a main road?
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:24 AM
Do most people here think that Allison was left under the Kholo Bridge?
The Kholo Creek is fed by the Flaggy Creek and I have wondered if Allison was left much further up along Flaggy Creek as why would he leave her so exposed?
I am convinced that she was left under the bridge.
Bayside
06-25-2012, 08:25 AM
Looking forward to Gerards facebook status update saying "in a relationship" lol.
I am convinced that she was left under the bridge.
CC have you been to look at the bridge?
Bayside
06-25-2012, 08:25 AM
Do most people here think that Allison was left under the Kholo Bridge?
The Kholo Creek is fed by the Flaggy Creek and I have wondered if Allison was left much further up along Flaggy Creek as why would he leave her so exposed near a main road?
I think she was left under the bridge.
Sleuthilicious
06-25-2012, 08:27 AM
Do most people here think that Allison was left under the Kholo Bridge?
The Kholo Creek is fed by the Flaggy Creek and I have wondered if Allison was left much further up along Flaggy Creek as why would he leave her so exposed near a main road?
I think the 'interference with a corpse' charge is specifically listed as located at Kholo Bridge I believe. MOO
I think she was left under the bridge.
Have you seen the bridge Bay?
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 08:28 AM
It seems to me the 'depression' scenario was an afterthought. I think the original plan was to make it appear to be a random attack while out walking. JMO
I think the 'interference with a corpse' charge is specifically listed as located at Kholo Bridge I believe. MOO
Is that on the charge sheet?
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:29 AM
Looking forward to Gerards facebook status update saying "in a relationship" lol.
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Limaes
06-25-2012, 08:29 AM
I get Limaes and Liadan mixed up! Does that happen to anyone else?
It has happened to me a few times hehe scrolling down a page and think...wha?...oh that isn't me :)
Sleuthilicious
06-25-2012, 08:30 AM
I think the 'interference with a corpse' charge is specifically listed as located at Kholo Bridge I believe. MOO
Ha! Just reread my quote and see "I think", "I believe" & "MOO". I can't deny this forum has taught me to cover my bases ;)
Blue Bottle
06-25-2012, 08:30 AM
Do most people here think that Allison was left under the Kholo Bridge?
The Kholo Creek is fed by the Flaggy Creek and I have wondered if Allison was left much further up along Flaggy Creek as why would he leave her so exposed near a main road?
I don't know the area and have never been there, but going by what I read at the way the rains were at the time and the high water level, it sounds just as feasable to me that she was dumped elsewhere and her body washed up under the bridge.
Other than that, I have no thoughts either way...
linette
06-25-2012, 08:30 AM
Just wondering if anyone still thinks that the 2 cars sighted following eachother closely that night STILL have something to do with this case? Not too much has been said about this lately, and didn't seem to be mentioned in the bail hearing info.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:30 AM
CC have you been to look at the bridge?
No, just from looking at the photos.
Sleuthilicious
06-25-2012, 08:32 AM
Is that on the charge sheet?
I'll need to google it, it's been listed quite specifically in MSM alongside the charge. I remember it was an 'a-ha moment' for me.
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:34 AM
Just wondering if anyone still thinks that the 2 cars sighted following eachother closely that night STILL have something to do with this case? Not too much has been said about this lately, and didn't seem to be mentioned in the bail hearing info.
If it was the perp, I think QPS have not been able to establish the movement of the cars. The defence said there was no evidence that GBC left the house that night or no evidence placing him near the bridge. IMO.
possumheart
06-25-2012, 08:34 AM
Have been to the bridge and under it. I am convinced she was placed there.
Sleuthilicious
06-25-2012, 08:34 AM
Interference charge:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/baden-clay-facing-extraordinary-allegations/story-e6frg6nf-1226404846580
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:35 AM
Is that on the charge sheet?
I remember a TV news reporter saying that, yes, it was on the charge sheet.
Limaes
06-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Looking forward to Gerards facebook status update saying "in a relationship" lol.
Forgot about that LOL Perhaps the Crown should have included that in the evidence.
*Googled "self incriminating"
*Phoned Insurance company the day body was found
*Changed his FB relationship status day after body was found
Sorry to make fun but really, he isn't that bright :)
Well there are a lot of subjects to do with this case that have been debated on here but apart from us looking at where the body was, which Makara supported with photos, I don't believe there has been a lot of debate about the possibilities of how GBC allegedly disposed of the body IMO.
It is one of the things that the QPS have had difficulty placing him at any scene near the creek on the alleged night that Allison went missing IMO.
Thanks Grannie - I think!
Actually, after I posted that I don't like that date, I worried myself sick that someone on here might say "Oh, that's my birthday!" I was thinking of all these lines to say about good coming from bad, and angels being born on this day - angels taken away etc etc etc :blushing:
My daughter was born on this day, she is a beautiful little angel on earth. Sorry for your loss Bellgirl, must be a hard day for you every year.
Sorry Mods if this is off topic.
BJsleuth
06-25-2012, 08:37 AM
Just wondering if anyone still thinks that the 2 cars sighted following eachother closely that night STILL have something to do with this case? Not too much has been said about this lately, and didn't seem to be mentioned in the bail hearing info.
Yes and the CCTV traffic cam may confirm it?
I remember a TV news reporter saying that, yes, it was on the charge sheet.
They have reported things wrong before now.JMO
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:40 AM
They have reported things wrong before now.JMO
Agree, but I think it was also reported by various media articles.
My daughter was born on this day, she is a beautiful little angel on earth. Sorry for your loss Bellgirl, must be a hard day for you every year.
Sorry Mods if this is off topic.
That is a beautiful way of aligning yourself with Bellgirl KSM.
Yes, sorry to hear about your loss Bellgirl.
IMO Hitler's birthday has no bearing on your two angels. xx
CaseClosed
06-25-2012, 08:43 AM
Forgot about that LOL Perhaps the Crown should have included that in the evidence.
*Googled "self incriminating"
*Phoned Insurance company the day body was found
*Changed his FB relationship status day after body was found
Sorry to make fun but really, he isn't that bright :)
... like a desperate animal ...
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