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05-18-2012, 11:30 AM
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CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 08:38 AM
:woohoo: First!

Humdinger
06-30-2012, 08:39 AM
So the hearing on July 9th, what will that consist of? Will he appear?

marlywings
06-30-2012, 08:40 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay's parents refused to give interviews during effort to death of Allison Baden-Clay, court documents claim

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

THE parents of Gerard Baden-Clay refused requests for further information and interviews during the massive effort to solve the death of his wife, Allison, police claim in court documents.
The documents were filed during the recent Supreme Court bail application for the alleged murderer.

Detective Sergeant Peter Roddick, from the Homicide Squad, detailed for the first time in the court documents that he was unable to get all the information wanted from the family.

He said accused killer Baden-Clay and his father, Nigel, did not tell police of an alleged FaceTime call between their phones at 12.30am on Friday April 20, the night Allison vanished.

"Nigel Baden-Clay has provided investigators with a brief statement in relation to the contact he had with Gerard Baden-Clay after 6.30am on Friday,'' Sgt Roddick said in an affidavit.

"He has never made mention of receiving this FaceTime call. I have previously asked Nigel Baden-Clay for a further interview and statement to obtain further details relevant to the investigation; however, he has declined my requests.''

The affidavit details how police discovered evidence of the alleged 1min 23sec call after retrieving information from Baden-Clay's iPhone using a Cellebrite Universal Forensic Examination Device

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gerard-baden-clays-parents-refused-to-give-interviews-during-effort-to-death-of-allison-baden-clay-court-documents-claim/story-e6freon6-1226413189448

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 08:41 AM
So the hearing on July 9th, what will that consist of? Will he appear?

I thought he had to appear, but at some point someone mentioned he can appear by video-link? Don't really know what the requirements are.

digitup
06-30-2012, 08:47 AM
So the hearing on July 9th, what will that consist of? Will he appear?

Gerry singing 'I dont like Mondays' via MTV video link

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 08:49 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay's parents refused to give interviews during effort to death of Allison Baden-Clay, court documents claim

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

THE parents of Gerard Baden-Clay refused requests for further information and interviews during the massive effort to solve the death of his wife, Allison, police claim in court documents.
The documents were filed during the recent Supreme Court bail application for the alleged murderer.

Detective Sergeant Peter Roddick, from the Homicide Squad, detailed for the first time in the court documents that he was unable to get all the information wanted from the family.

He said accused killer Baden-Clay and his father, Nigel, did not tell police of an alleged FaceTime call between their phones at 12.30am on Friday April 20, the night Allison vanished.

"Nigel Baden-Clay has provided investigators with a brief statement in relation to the contact he had with Gerard Baden-Clay after 6.30am on Friday,'' Sgt Roddick said in an affidavit.

"He has never made mention of receiving this FaceTime call. I have previously asked Nigel Baden-Clay for a further interview and statement to obtain further details relevant to the investigation; however, he has declined my requests.''

The affidavit details how police discovered evidence of the alleged 1min 23sec call after retrieving information from Baden-Clay's iPhone using a Cellebrite Universal Forensic Examination Device

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gerard-baden-clays-parents-refused-to-give-interviews-during-effort-to-death-of-allison-baden-clay-court-documents-claim/story-e6freon6-1226413189448

... so, nothing new. :( :maddening:

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 08:49 AM
Gerry singing 'I dont like Mondays' via MTV video link

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

bellgirl
06-30-2012, 08:57 AM
30th thread on the 30th June :)

Hope tomorrow's really special for everyone - posters and especially Allison's family and close friends.

grannie
06-30-2012, 08:59 AM
"They sought a periodic lease thereafter,'' said the owner, who did not want to be named. "We've just been going from week to week. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229)

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 09:00 AM
30th thread on the 30th June :)

Hope tomorrow's really special for everyone - posters and especially Allison's family and close friends.

It's going to be a very difficult day for the girls and the Dickies. So sad!!!!

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 09:05 AM
"They sought a periodic lease thereafter,'' said the owner, who did not want to be named. "We've just been going from week to week. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229)

"A removalist truck was also seen at the rented house and the owner confirmed the lease expired on Monday last week."

Ties in with a July 1st timeframe does it not?

:clock::clock::clock:

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 09:08 AM
..."We're still grieving for our daughter-in-law,'' he said (NBC). Yeah ... they are grieving for their son! IMO.

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 09:12 AM
"A removalist truck was also seen at the rented house and the owner confirmed the lease expired on Monday last week."

Ties in with a July 1st timeframe does it not?

:clock::clock::clock:

I wonder what will happen to ABC's personal effects ... I wonder if the Dickies were notified in advance to remove her things before the removalists arrived?

BJsleuth
06-30-2012, 09:17 AM
Asked about police claims in court documents that he had not fully co-operated, he said: "We don't know what the police are saying because we don't read the papers.''

How does he know it's in the papers? OW was in court, she heard it too, so how could he not know? Way to be evasive Nige. MOO

bellgirl
06-30-2012, 09:19 AM
It's going to be a very difficult day for the girls and the Dickies. So sad!!!!

So true CC. I imagine that tomorrow will be really hard for those little girls and yet another challenging day in their little lives. Hopefully they can feel strong enough to celebrate their mum/daughter in a positive light - I'm sure that there have been so many tears till now. I'm just so thankful that they're with the Dickies - I feel a sense of peace that they are together.

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 09:19 AM
Can you imagine how hard the job of emptying that house would be for either side of the family. That was the family home for Gerard. Allison and 3 little girls. In addition to losing their Mum and Dad the little girls have lost regular contact from their local grandparents - strange as they might seem - I am sure NBC and EBC would have doted on their grand-daughters.

linette
06-30-2012, 09:20 AM
I wonder what will happen to ABC's personal effects ... I wonder if the Dickies were notified in advance to remove her things before the removalists arrived?

Hopefully most of her stuff was already out of that house.

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 09:23 AM
So true CC. I imagine that tomorrow will be really hard for those little girls and yet another challenging day in their little lives. Hopefully they can feel strong enough to celebrate their mum/daughter in a positive light - I'm sure that there have been so many tears till now. I'm just so thankful that they're with the Dickies - I feel a sense of peace that they are together.

Yes, I really hope that in time the Dickies get permanent custody, or at least one of Allison's siblings.

BJsleuth
06-30-2012, 09:24 AM
Can you imagine how hard the job of emptying that house would be for either side of the family. That was the family home for Gerard. Allison and 3 little girls. In addition to losing their Mum and Dad the little girls have lost regular contact from their local grandparents - strange as they might seem - I am sure NBC and EBC would have doted on their grand-daughters.

It's hard to go through someone's things who has passed away under ordinary circumstances, I can only imagine this would be so much harder.

It's awful for those little girls and it would be hard having to try to explain any of it to them. What could you say to them?

linette
06-30-2012, 09:24 AM
I wonder how it's actually going with the girls at the Dickies?? I mean, what if they say "We don't think Daddy would do that." etc etc... and what if they think it's all lies... how do the Dickie's deal with that? Just wondering... it has to be a very hard situation.

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 09:29 AM
I wonder how it's actually going with the girls at the Dickies?? I mean, what if they say "We don't think Daddy would do that." etc etc... and what if they think it's all lies... how do the Dickie's deal with that? Just wondering... it has to be a very hard situation.

A local member said a week or so ago, that the 2 older girls understand somewhat what is going on and the reasons for it. But, like in any family, there will be a period of adjusting to other rules and routines. Poor little souls!

BJsleuth
06-30-2012, 09:29 AM
I wonder how it's actually going with the girls at the Dickies?? I mean, what if they say "We don't think Daddy would do that." etc etc... and what if they think it's all lies... how do the Dickie's deal with that? Just wondering... it has to be a very hard situation.

Knowing how kids are, they're very forgiving. Kids still love their parents no matter what and know that they're a part of that person so whatever was told to them would have to be handled very carefully and delicately.

marlywings
06-30-2012, 09:32 AM
I wonder how it's actually going with the girls at the Dickies?? I mean, what if they say "We don't think Daddy would do that." etc etc... and what if they think it's all lies... how do the Dickie's deal with that? Just wondering... it has to be a very hard situation.

Another side of it...did they know he killed her or did they hear something that night. I hope they were fast asleep & didn't hear a thing.

heloise
06-30-2012, 09:35 AM
SIM CARDS: A few threads back .... various posters .... and there was no "reply" button on, for some reason. ? Every time I buy a new phone, it comes with a new SIM card. I have about three - unused/never activated SIM cards in my study drawer. (Have no idea why I've kept them!) . I guess the telco has a record of my name and address, etc,which is attached to them. However, someone (litter bug, obviously) buying a new phone may simply put their old SIM card in the phone on the way home from the shops .... and throw the new one out the car window.

marlywings
06-30-2012, 09:36 AM
Hmmm...just noticed in that second report it says...

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229

linette
06-30-2012, 09:39 AM
Another side of it...did they know he killed her or did they hear something that night. I hope they were fast asleep & didn't hear a thing.

I hope so, too.. but even that could haunt them as they get older "Why didn't I wake up? I could have saved Mum." Either way he never gave much thought to anything/anyone except for himself that night... I'd say he regrets it now... afterall he can't continue with his life the way he wants to because he's locked up. I'm hoping he has some remorse for what he did... the fact that he killed her and not just the fact he got caught.

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 09:48 AM
Hmmm...just noticed in that second report it says...

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229

Well spotted MW. I wonder if they had a way of having their explosive rows somewhere outside of the house, where the children could not hear them. Might explain the screams that were heard?

I am off to rest my weary head. Have had a shocking dose of the flu all week.

Let's hope that lots of people want to make a donation to the ABC Children's Appeal tomorrow.

:offtobed::offtobed::offtobed:

whitechapel
06-30-2012, 10:00 AM
Hmmm...just noticed in that second report it says...

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229

Well spotted Marlywings.
So many twists and turns on this roller coaster ride.:rollercoaster:

It makes one wonder how much the MSM know about this case, but are not releasing.


In memory of Allison's Birthday today... 24143

bellgirl
06-30-2012, 10:03 AM
I wonder how it's actually going with the girls at the Dickies?? I mean, what if they say "We don't think Daddy would do that." etc etc... and what if they think it's all lies... how do the Dickie's deal with that? Just wondering... it has to be a very hard situation.

I have no idea - it would be the hardest thing to deal with.

My nephew is staying tonight. His pet dog got a tick 9 days ago, only to be detected yesterday. Sam (the dog) spent last night at the Vet's and then he was transported to the Animal Hospital at Springwood this arvo. He's now in an induced coma - in the hope that he'll be stronger to fight once he's out in 24 hrs time. Anyway, I have a little 12 yr old here, who was beside himself and asking lots of questions - and especially every time my sister called with an update. My own son, daughter and I tried to take his mind off it all with soccer in the backyard, making pizzas for dinner, movies on my big bed on the tv, huge bowls of ice cream for dessert etc etc. He still cried and wanted more info when being tucked into bed tonight.

The Dickie's position will be 100 x worse than what I've struggled with tonight. My thoughts are with them (as much as the girls) in finding the right words to say - tomorrow and every day - to those little girls when they are in so much pain themselves.

I really hope that most of tomorrow will be ok for the girls - a celebration of how beautiful Allison was as a mum, a daughter, sister etc. I'm fairly sure that there will be the tears and the questions again, throughout and at the end of the day.

Thoughts are with them all.

12:03 am - Love to you Allison.

Daisyinthedesert
06-30-2012, 10:04 AM
Happy birthday Allison xxxx

angel1
06-30-2012, 10:10 AM
Happy birthday Allison you deserved so much better than what you went through. Today you should be here celebrating your birthday with your daughters, family, friends and those who loved you. My heart breaks for your family today especially your 3 beautiful girls being the first birthday without you here. R.I.P. Beautiful angel you will always be thought of and in our hearts forever whether we knew you or not xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

summer_breeze
06-30-2012, 10:13 AM
http://www.allthepages.org/images/blog/sunflowers-sep09-sm-5.jpg

http://www.allthepages.org/images/blog/sunflowers-sep09-sm-5.jpg

stayinterested
06-30-2012, 10:16 AM
God bless you Allison - I am giving up smoking today for you -1/2 shall go to sorting my crap out and 1/2 shall go to your girls - I shall think of you when it feels hard to quit.
You so did not deserve this.
If someone is involved and rushed in (as people do) to protect those that they love, surely it is time to say so.

bellgirl
06-30-2012, 10:16 AM
http://www.allthepages.org/images/blog/sunflowers-sep09-sm-5.jpg

http://www.allthepages.org/images/blog/sunflowers-sep09-sm-5.jpg

So beautiful summer- breeze - the picture and you!

UnfoldingTruth
06-30-2012, 10:26 AM
I wonder what will happen to ABC's personal effects ... I wonder if the Dickies were notified in advance to remove her things before the removalists arrived?

I think they may have taken some of her stuff back when they were supposedly going to clean the place ready for GBC and the girls to move back in..I am sure it also mentioned and to collect some of Allisons belongings?

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 10:30 AM
:candle: :rose: Happy Birthday Allison, wherever you are ... RIP

Makara
06-30-2012, 10:35 AM
I want to dedicate this song to Allison and her beautiful girls. Wherever you are beautiful lady, I hope you dance.


Lee Ann Womack - I Hope You Dance - YouTube

I Hope You Dance

I hope you never lose your sense of wonder
You get your fill to eat but always keep that hunger
May you never take one single breath for granted
God forbid love ever leave you empty-handed

I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean
Whenever one door closes I hope one more opens
Promise me that you'll give faith a fighting chance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance

I hope you dance
I hope you dance

I hope you never fear those mountains in the distance
Never settle for the path of least resistance
Living might mean taking chances but they're worth taking
Lovin' might be a mistake but it's worth making

Don't let some hell-bent heart leave you bitter
When you come close to selling out reconsider
Give the heavens above more than just a passing glance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance

I hope you dance
(Time is a wheel in constant motion always)
I hope you dance
(Rolling us along)
I hope you dance
(Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder)
I hope you dance
(Where those years have gone)

I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean
Whenever one door closes I hope one more opens
Promise me that you'll give faith a fighting chance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance

Dance
I hope you dance
(Dance)
I hope you dance
(Time is a wheel in constant motion always)
I hope you dance
(Rolling us along)
I hope you dance
(Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder)
I hope you dance
(Where those years have gone)

Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder
(Dance)
Where those years have gone
(Dance)

UnfoldingTruth
06-30-2012, 10:40 AM
I have no idea - it would be the hardest thing to deal with.

My nephew is staying tonight. His pet dog got a tick 9 days ago, only to be detected yesterday. Sam (the dog) spent last night at the Vet's and then he was transported to the Animal Hospital at Springwood this arvo. He's now in an induced coma - in the hope that he'll be stronger to fight once he's out in 24 hrs time. Anyway, I have a little 12 yr old here, who was beside himself and asking lots of questions - and especially every time my sister called with an update. My own son, daughter and I tried to take his mind off it all with soccer in the backyard, making pizzas for dinner, movies on my big bed on the tv, huge bowls of ice cream for dessert etc etc. He still cried and wanted more info when being tucked into bed tonight.

The Dickie's position will be 100 x worse than what I've struggled with tonight. My thoughts are with them (as much as the girls) in finding the right words to say - tomorrow and every day - to those little girls when they are in so much pain themselves.

I really hope that most of tomorrow will be ok for the girls - a celebration of how beautiful Allison was as a mum, a daughter, sister etc. I'm fairly sure that there will be the tears and the questions again, throughout and at the end of the day.

Thoughts are with them all.

12:03 am - Love to you Allison.

OH Bellgirl.. I hope the dog is ok! I know what you are going through. WE live in a heavily infested area and almost lost a dog a few years ago..she was at about the same stage as it sounds your nephews dog is.. She managed somehow to pull through, even though the vets were surprised..they really thought she would not. (most annoying thing was we had taken the dog to the day before saying we thought she had a tick and we could not find it. They dismissed it as being a virus and gave her antiinflamatory:banghead:..by the next day she was so much worse)..

WE also had another case last year that ended up at the springwood centre(she was not as bad though still in need of oxygen.- different dog)..they are good there..and give regular updates- including middle of the night when I was trying so hard to get some much needed sleep! But they are thorough.
I wish you the best with it..

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 10:40 AM
That is beautiful, Makara. Tears ....

summer_breeze
06-30-2012, 10:42 AM
I want to dedicate this song to Allison and her beautiful girls. Wherever you are beautiful lady, I hope you dance.


Lee Ann Womack - I Hope You Dance - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-Z1YwaOiw&feature=related)

I Hope You Dance

I hope you never lose your sense of wonder
You get your fill to eat but always keep that hunger
May you never take one single breath for granted
God forbid love ever leave you empty-handed

I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean
Whenever one door closes I hope one more opens
Promise me that you'll give faith a fighting chance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance

I hope you dance
I hope you dance

I hope you never fear those mountains in the distance
Never settle for the path of least resistance
Living might mean taking chances but they're worth taking
Lovin' might be a mistake but it's worth making

Don't let some hell-bent heart leave you bitter
When you come close to selling out reconsider
Give the heavens above more than just a passing glance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance

I hope you dance
(Time is a wheel in constant motion always)
I hope you dance
(Rolling us along)
I hope you dance
(Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder)
I hope you dance
(Where those years have gone)

I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean
Whenever one door closes I hope one more opens
Promise me that you'll give faith a fighting chance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance

Dance
I hope you dance
(Dance)
I hope you dance
(Time is a wheel in constant motion always)
I hope you dance
(Rolling us along)
I hope you dance
(Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder)
I hope you dance
(Where those years have gone)

Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder
(Dance)
Where those years have gone
(Dance)

Absolutely lovely!

Makara
06-30-2012, 10:45 AM
That is beautiful, Makara. Tears ....

Tears and more tears CC. The words to this song are so beautiful, from a mother to her daughters. I dedicated this song to my daughter many years ago and we still often sing it together.

summer_breeze
06-30-2012, 10:46 AM
God bless you Allison - I am giving up smoking today for you -1/2 shall go to sorting my crap out and 1/2 shall go to your girls - I shall think of you when it feels hard to quit.


What a marvelous undertaking! I wish you the best of luck!

UnfoldingTruth
06-30-2012, 10:46 AM
Hmmm...just noticed in that second report it says...

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229

Interesting Marlywings..I have always had this feeling she may have been murdered elsewhere.. Wonder if that is something to do with why the police wanted to find her phone.

Going to be a very hard day for the family today.. I know they have many well wishes and sending their love from throughout the community.. Makrara that song is beautiful...

I don't have sunflowers, but..:rose: may you dance with the angels Allison..

BJsleuth
06-30-2012, 10:47 AM
Happy Birthday Allison!

CaseClosed
06-30-2012, 10:50 AM
Tears and more tears CC. The words to this song are so beautiful, from a mother to her daughters. I dedicated this song to my daughter many years ago and we still often sing it together.

Yes, and I can't help but think that not many hours ago I kissed my daughter good-night ... but Allison's girls will never have that again :tears:

Makara
06-30-2012, 11:01 AM
Being the 1st July, I hope it's "business as usual" at Arthur Gorrie Remand Centre. :behindbar

jubillee
06-30-2012, 11:08 AM
Being the 1st July, I hope it's "business as usual" at Arthur Gorrie Remand Centre. :behindbar

Pinch and a punch for the first of the month maybe:floorlaugh:

KG1
06-30-2012, 11:17 AM
Hmmm...just noticed in that second report it says...

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229

Yes, the 'elsewhere'is a new piece of information. However, this could be outside in the yard, or in the vehicle in the yard. Recall how an adjoining neighbour was quoted as stating that her dog Scrap ran down to the adjoining fence and barked incessantly at the fence for a time around 10ish. Also, I recall reports of arguing being heard from the house that night also.

If GBC allegedly killed his wife that night, and it was all his own work, including disposal at Kholo Creek, then he left the children alone in the house whilst he drove 20km each way. Nice type!

KG1
06-30-2012, 11:19 AM
I hope so, too.. but even that could haunt them as they get older "Why didn't I wake up? I could have saved Mum." Either way he never gave much thought to anything/anyone except for himself that night... I'd say he regrets it now... afterall he can't continue with his life the way he wants to because he's locked up. I'm hoping he has some remorse for what he did... the fact that he killed her and not just the fact he got caught.

I think the only remorse that GBC would have is that he got caught and cannot make bail.

KG1
06-30-2012, 11:48 AM
I am posting some information on the Forensic Extraction Device used to find information from cell phone, including the information regarding the Face Time call. Some of our technos may understand more than I can.

itsthevibe
06-30-2012, 01:09 PM
I wonder how it's actually going with the girls at the Dickies?? I mean, what if they say "We don't think Daddy would do that." etc etc... and what if they think it's all lies... how do the Dickie's deal with that? Just wondering... it has to be a very hard situation.

This has gone through my mind many times and I really think that, not matter how much love and support is given by the Dickies, there is only so much you can do in such an extreme situation. The big question, "What on earth do you say to them" has really played on my mind. There is the fact that at their different ages it might not be appropriate to tell each one of them exactly the same thing, due to what they can understand.

And then, have they been told what has happened with each step? I mean, when they went to the funeral had they been told their Mummy was murdered? If so then imagine the worry of them thinking there is a bad man out there who murdered their Mother. Could one of them suspect their father and felt weird or scared by being with him? Or, if they were told "Mummy probably had an accident" then once Gerard was arrested what were they told about that?

At some point they would hear it from someone else, or see it on a newstand or on the internet, so i feel the 2 older girls would have to be told Allison was murdered and Gerard was arrested for her murder. And then what do you say? "We dont know if he murdered Mummy" invokes thoughts of, who might have done it if not him?, or thoughts that he might have, and done it while they were in the house. If you imply he didnt do it, the children are in anguish that their Daddy has been unfairly jailed, and that he might be wrongly convicted. Plus there is the fact that they can't see him and don't know if they ever will again. The list goes on of traumatic scenarios for each child around these issues.

Even
06-30-2012, 01:19 PM
"A removalist truck was also seen at the rented house and the owner confirmed the lease expired on Monday last week."

Ties in with a July 1st timeframe does it not?

:clock::clock::clock:

Periodic agreements automatically come into being after a fixed term lease has ended if neither landlord nor renter gives notice. To end lease renter can give two weeks notice and landlord can give two months.

So nothing sinister with dates. Once arrested two weeks notice would have been given IMO.

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 01:46 PM
Can't sleep. Been coughing and spluttering away.

Just found this article - nothing we don't already know but GBC's name seems to be all over the net.
http://zeenews.india.com/business/news/technology/your-smartphone-may-be-spying-on-you_54804.html

itsthevibe
06-30-2012, 01:49 PM
I hope that the Dickies did get all of the girls things out of the house, along with all of Allisons belongings. We did read the reports early on about a cleanup at the house, but that was very early on and I think was more about getting things in a state for GBC and the girls to move back. Possibly would have been too early to think about removing Allisons things, especially because of the girls. Would be pretty hard to take to see her cupboards emptied and favourite possessions, ornaments, etc removed from her room and around the house, would look like she never lived there.

When GBC was arrested, I read that the Dickies went to the house first to get the girls things, but I would think that was a quick drop-in as they would have been rushing to get to the girls.

Not that everything that goes on is necessarily reported, so i hope the Dickies have had the chance to go to the house and make the decisions about Allisons things and anything left that was familiar and treasured by the girls. I can't imagine it would be too pleasant for the Dickies to have to drop by Skull Manor to ask for stuff.

minni
06-30-2012, 01:53 PM
Periodic agreements automatically come into being after a fixed term lease has ended if neither landlord nor renter gives notice. To end lease renter can give two weeks notice and landlord can give two months.

So nothing sinister with dates. Once arrested two weeks notice would have been given IMO.

That's true Even, we leased our house out for the first time a couple of years ago, and within a week, our tenant was arrested!!! Great judgement call LJ Hooker!!
In that case, he was given two weeks notice also.

itsthevibe
06-30-2012, 02:06 PM
If anyone wants to leave a condolence message on Allison's Legacy Guest Book here is the link http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/couriermail-au/guestbook.aspx?n=allison-baden-clay&pid=157500203&cid=gbsrchres

Someone posted it not long after her funeral but I thought I'd repost on her birthday in case anyone wanted to leave loving memorial wishes and missed out on this link being provided at the time. You can even upload an image of your choice to go with your message, like candles or flowers etc.

I realised early in the month that the Guestbook had expired, and I paid for it to continue for antoher 6 months. But now I see that the message at the top says 'This Guest Book has been kept online until 17/06/2013 by The Sunflower Mums', so looks like some lovely ladies have funded an additional 6 months. Are The Sunflower Mums some of our very own? If it was mentioned here I missed it as I have missed a lot more pages lately.

It's great to see the Guest Book kept open for so long - now it will still be there for the 1 year Anniversary as well. You can order a printed version of it, which would be lovely for the girls, as the wishes are all very sweet and kind. I wonder if the Dickies, including Allisons siblings, have even thought about this Guest Book, or looked at it? Reason I wondered was the fact that it expired so soon. They have so much on their plate they simply might not have had a chance. Some people might not even realise it is created automatically if you have a Funeral notice in the Courier Mail.

I was thinking I might write to the Dickies and let them know it's there for a year and that you can order a printed copy.

Happy Birthday Allison - I only wish you were still here, for your girls and simply because the world would be a better place with you in it.

STELLA85
06-30-2012, 05:45 PM
Happy Birthday Dear Allison

It is also Princess Di's birthday today too

Two beautiful ladies both well loved and sadly missed

kalamityk
06-30-2012, 05:53 PM
Happy Birthday Dear Allison

It is also Princess Di's birthday today too

Two beautiful ladies both well loved and sadly missed

Both died too young :(

me 2
06-30-2012, 06:20 PM
Happy Birthday Allison. Justice will be served for you, as there are so many people making sure of it.

ozazure
06-30-2012, 06:35 PM
I feel very sad for the Dickies and Allison's daughters today. I can't imagine what it is like in your later years to lose the daughter you brought up so well, a life full of accomplishments, the best of all, three more lovely girls for the family. I imagine Priscilla and Geoff thinking about the day Allison was born and how precious she was and is to them. Every parents wants their child to have a happy and fulfilling life, they have all been robbed of so much. I hope Allison's daughters can overcome this tragedy and have they life Allison would have wanted for them and they deserve.



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-02BLz7axgb0/T-9-m1AhA4I/AAAAAAAAFcQ/tjdMERMoim8/s288/FHL_Sunflower_Hope_fw.jpg

CJ60
06-30-2012, 06:44 PM
Such a beautiful song, Makara.. a lovely tribute to Allison on her birthday. And lovely thoughts and birthday wishes from everyone today....

Many tears for me this morning; Although I have never met you guys in person, you are amongst some of the most wonderful people I 'know'.

Bellgirl, I do hope your nephew's dog pulls through. Thinking of you today.

And it is good to see you back for Allison's birthday, Minni.

dork_whisperer
06-30-2012, 06:47 PM
This has gone through my mind many times and I really think that, not matter how much love and support is given by the Dickies, there is only so much you can do in such an extreme situation. The big question, "What on earth do you say to them" has really played on my mind. There is the fact that at their different ages it might not be appropriate to tell each one of them exactly the same thing, due to what they can understand.

And then, have they been told what has happened with each step? I mean, when they went to the funeral had they been told their Mummy was murdered? If so then imagine the worry of them thinking there is a bad man out there who murdered their Mother. Could one of them suspect their father and felt weird or scared by being with him? Or, if they were told "Mummy probably had an accident" then once Gerard was arrested what were they told about that?

At some point they would hear it from someone else, or see it on a newstand or on the internet, so i feel the 2 older girls would have to be told Allison was murdered and Gerard was arrested for her murder. And then what do you say? "We dont know if he murdered Mummy" invokes thoughts of, who might have done it if not him?, or thoughts that he might have, and done it while they were in the house. If you imply he didnt do it, the children are in anguish that their Daddy has been unfairly jailed, and that he might be wrongly convicted. Plus there is the fact that they can't see him and don't know if they ever will again. The list goes on of traumatic scenarios for each child around these issues.

It was pretty obvious that GBC was hiding behind the kids. He was also probably intent on controlling what they talked about in the early days. He may or may not know if they saw anything. He could hardly ask them!

What we know they ARE witness to is how he behaved in those days after Allison was killed because they were holed up with him at Bwanas. It must've been an awful time for them. GBC would not have been in the best frame of mind, as he worried about himself and some scratches. Then they had him clambering all over them at the funeral. It makes me shudder.

Now he's forcing the Dickies and the girls to endure the details of a trial on top of everything else.

I think the only thing that might encourage GBC to plead guilty is too avoid the disclosure. He might consider it when he learns to what extent his dirty deeds and dealings will be splayed out and possibly marched into the witness box . The mistresses. The money. The lies. The Autopsy. And 3 daughters who are a few years older and wiser, who may have recollections themselves.

Until then, I'm sure he's quite snug under his protective blankie at Arthur Gorrie. Thankful not to get bail and glad for the lengthy legal progress where he is innocent until proven. And happy for the taxpayer to fund his long and vigorous defense.

Some boy scout.

Bobbie Elliott
06-30-2012, 06:50 PM
Gerard Baden-Clay's parents refused to give interviews during effort to death of Allison Baden-Clay, court documents claim

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

THE parents of Gerard Baden-Clay refused requests for further information and interviews during the massive effort to solve the death of his wife, Allison, police claim in court documents.
The documents were filed during the recent Supreme Court bail application for the alleged murderer.

Detective Sergeant Peter Roddick, from the Homicide Squad, detailed for the first time in the court documents that he was unable to get all the information wanted from the family.

He said accused killer Baden-Clay and his father, Nigel, did not tell police of an alleged FaceTime call between their phones at 12.30am on Friday April 20, the night Allison vanished.

"Nigel Baden-Clay has provided investigators with a brief statement in relation to the contact he had with Gerard Baden-Clay after 6.30am on Friday,'' Sgt Roddick said in an affidavit.

"He has never made mention of receiving this FaceTime call. I have previously asked Nigel Baden-Clay for a further interview and statement to obtain further details relevant to the investigation; however, he has declined my requests.''

The affidavit details how police discovered evidence of the alleged 1min 23sec call after retrieving information from Baden-Clay's iPhone using a Cellebrite Universal Forensic Examination Device

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gerard-baden-clays-parents-refused-to-give-interviews-during-effort-to-death-of-allison-baden-clay-court-documents-claim/story-e6freon6-1226413189448



Not the behaviour of caring parents-in-law who want their darling daughter-in-law returned to the bosom of their family!!!


:confused:

ollijack
06-30-2012, 07:12 PM
I always thought when police asked you a question you really should, for your own sake, answer.......I have spent years watching my beloved Midsummer Murders....thats were my education comes from....hmmm..
Why cant they take NBC in and keep him there until he answers..?

kalamityk
06-30-2012, 07:16 PM
I always thought when police asked you a question you really should, for your own sake, answer.......I have spent years watching my beloved Midsummer Murders....thats were my education comes from....hmmm..
Why cant they take NBC in and keep him there until he answers..?

maybe they are trying to get a copy of the face time call - someone said way back that there is probably a copy of it somewhere, then they can confront who ever it was on the other end (maybe EBC)
:jail:

Fuskier
06-30-2012, 07:20 PM
http://www.allthepages.org/images/blog/sunflowers-sep09-sm-5.jpg

http://www.allthepages.org/images/blog/sunflowers-sep09-sm-5.jpg
SUMMER BREEZE: Thank you for posting this photo of a field of Sunflowers. It represents all our decent websleuthers who want justice for Allison Baden-Clay.
Thinking of you Allison and your 3 little girls today.

Opinionsgalore
06-30-2012, 07:25 PM
I always thought when police asked you a question you really should, for your own sake, answer.......I have spent years watching my beloved Midsummer Murders....thats were my education comes from....hmmm..
Why cant they take NBC in and keep him there until he answers..?

It's my understanding that in Australia, someone can be detained for 8 hours (in a Police station or watch house) and can only be questioned for 4 of those 8 hours. Someone can be detained longer, if the Police have a court order.

On this the 1st July, 2012, the day Allison Baden-Clay would have celebrated her 44 th birthday. I would like to extend my deepest condolences to the family and friends of Allison Baden-Clay.

grannie
06-30-2012, 07:42 PM
Those we love don't go away, they walk beside us every day.
Unseen, unheard, but always near; still loved, still missed and very dear.

http://www.bearfamilygifts.com/bear/sunflower-angel-bear.jpg

STELLA85
06-30-2012, 07:44 PM
those we love don't go away, they walk beside us every day.
Unseen, unheard, but always near; still loved, still missed and very dear.

http://www.bearfamilygifts.com/bear/sunflower-angel-bear.jpg

that's beautiful

grannie
06-30-2012, 07:50 PM
I am posting some information on the Forensic Extraction Device used to find information from cell phone, including the information regarding the Face Time call. Some of our technos may understand more than I can.
Here is a video clip on the same thing:

UFED (Universal Forensic Extraction Device)

Mani
06-30-2012, 07:50 PM
I wonder what will happen to ABC's personal effects ... I wonder if the Dickies were notified in advance to remove her things before the removalists arrived?

CC - so sad - I would have removed Allison's personal effects weeks ago if I were the Dickies. I would not want anyone else (post QPS) but my family touching my daughter's things.

It doesn't bear thinking about. It is just so sad.IMO

grannie
06-30-2012, 07:55 PM
Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.


May be this was to disorient the defence team? Let's hope..

Mani
06-30-2012, 07:56 PM
Respectfully snipped

I hope so, too.. but even that could haunt them as they get older "Why didn't I wake up? I could have saved Mum."

That is a good point Linette. When all the details emerge about how/when this alleged murder occurred at the home (if that is the case), the girls could well feel some guilt that they were asleep throughout the proceedings and were unable to do anything to stop from happening. IMO

Aunty
06-30-2012, 08:07 PM
Happy Birthday Allison. Xxx
I am thinking of you and what a beautiful loving caring Mother you are to your girls. Nothing can take that away from you.
In years to come when my grandchildren ask me why I display a sunflower , in my home, I will tell them your story and how your love of your girls and your loss , effected every Mother worldwide.
I will tell them that this sunflower is a symbol of rememberance of you, and also a symbol of all other special Mothers taken too soon. It is also a symbol of my promise to you, to lend a hand if your children ever need help.
Guide me and I shall be your servant . Xx

OakingtonAve
06-30-2012, 08:13 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

Mani
06-30-2012, 08:13 PM
Respectfully snipped
If GBC allegedly killed his wife that night, and it was all his own work, including disposal at Kholo Creek, then he left the children alone in the house whilst he drove 20km each way. Nice type!

It would be interesting to know if there were any movements at the NBC house late on April 19th or in the early hours of the 20th. Did neighbours hear the NBC car leave? We have not heard much information about the movements of the BCs around that time. IMO

CJ60
06-30-2012, 08:19 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

I feel your pain... have been there many times myself!

The only way I have got around it is by adding it to 'bookmarks', but I am computer illiterate. There are some very smart people on here that must know an easy way to get in to the latest thread!

Oz Jen
06-30-2012, 08:27 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

A quick way is to put "websleuths Baden Clay #30" into google and it should come straight up. (Just have to make sure you remember which # thread is the most current. :-)
I used to do exactly what you're doing!

OakingtonAve
06-30-2012, 08:29 PM
Respectfully snipped

It would be interesting to know if there were any movements at the NBC house late on April 19th or in the early hours of the 20th. Did neighbours hear the NBC car leave? We have not heard much information about the movements of the BCs around that time. IMO

Have been pondering this a bit.

If it were ME, and the situation became unbearable and out of control, I think my instinct would be to storm out of the house and away from my children - to subconsciously take the sense of horror away from them in any way I could and in that instance, perhaps the only way I could protect the innocents woud be to leave...

Perhaps that is a mother's instinct. Perhaps that is what happened - outside - hence the neighbours' dog barking and the muffled screams heard by neighbours.

All too awful to comprehend...

minni
06-30-2012, 08:36 PM
Such a beautiful song, Makara.. a lovely tribute to Allison on her birthday. And lovely thoughts and birthday wishes from everyone today....

Many tears for me this morning; Although I have never met you guys in person, you are amongst some of the most wonderful people I 'know'.

Bellgirl, I do hope your nephew's dog pulls through. Thinking of you today.

And it is good to see you back for Allison's birthday, Minni.

Thanks CJ...It is good to be back on today of all days. I really don't know how to address a birthday wish to Allison. I guess what I really wish I could wish for her on this day, would be to be spending it with her children and loved ones. And I wish with all my heart that her children and loved ones were spending this day with her.

However, I know in my heart she is with them today, and that she is full of love and peace now, and is sending this to her children. I believe they will be feeling her presence strongly today and hope they have some good times today with their grandma and poppy and do something special in their mothers memory. and I hope they are dancing, like their mum up in heaven

Happy Birthday Allison, you'll be getting more good wishes and love sent to you today than you could ever have possibly imagined, and I hope that this will give your daughters a small amount of comfort one day too xxxxxxxxxx

kalamityk
06-30-2012, 08:37 PM
Have been pondering this a bit.

If it were ME, and the situation became unbearable and out of control, I think my instinct would be to storm out of the house and away from my children - to subconsciously take the sense of horror away from them in any way I could and in that instance, perhaps the only way I could protect the innocents woud be to leave...

Perhaps that is a mother's instinct. Perhaps that is what happened - outside - hence the neighbours' dog barking and the muffled screams heard by neighbours.

All too awful to comprehend...

I think Mani was referring to the older B-C's they have fairly close neighbours and maybe the neighbours would have heard a car starting up late (after face time call perhaps)

kailee
06-30-2012, 08:37 PM
I feel your pain... have been there many times myself!

The only way I have got around it is by adding it to 'bookmarks', but I am computer illiterate. There are some very smart people on here that must know an easy way to get in to the latest thread!

I've been adding a link after I've finished reading to my favourites bar.
would be nice to know if there's an easy button to click on in the forum that knows which post your login has read up to, although most of the threads I've read being logged out (or timed out).

my WS addiction is going to have to be addressed very soon, I'll be heading back to fulltime work after 1yr maternity leave. boo hoo :)

Bayside
06-30-2012, 08:40 PM
..."We're still grieving for our daughter-in-law,'' he said (NBC). Yeah ... they are grieving for their son! IMO.

I can't even believe they are that inconsiderate to use Allisons for that excuse.

CJ60
06-30-2012, 08:42 PM
I've been adding a link after I've finished reading to my favourites bar.
would be nice to know if there's an easy button to click on in the forum that knows which post your login has read up to, although most of the threads I've read being logged out (or timed out).

my WS addiction is going to have to be addressed very soon, I'll be heading back to fulltime work after 1yr maternity leave. boo hoo :)

It is a wonder I still have job after 2 months on here...

I hope you have had a wonderful time with your little one. Now you will have to do what many of us do - snuggle under the covers at night with your mobile phone and WS..

kalamityk
06-30-2012, 08:42 PM
I can't even believe they are that inconsiderate to use Allisons for that excuse.

Nothing surprises me about them - I can only imagine how awful they were to Allison

Bayside
06-30-2012, 09:00 PM
When I saw the moving pic in the courier mail I thought the BC Clan were holding a garage sale, can you imagine it.

I think it is disrespectful to do it on Allisons Birthday.

Happy Birthday Allison, may you rest in peace now your girls are safe.

(I am taking my 3 daughters to the Mind Body Spirit Festival)

jools
06-30-2012, 09:01 PM
Hi Websleuths,
I haven't said anything before as getting up to speed with events since I joined.
I just have a couple of comments:
I know someone who was shown a house by NBC, as he apparently also was/is a realestate agent. During the viewing he asked the person if the house was what they were looking for; they pointed out an area of termite damage, at which he suddenly became enraged, shouting at them, and literally threw the viewers out of the property. The impression of the viewer was that he is an extremely unpleasant man and far more threatening and menacing than could ever have been expected. So everything I read about NBC is in the context that he is an extremely unpleasant individual who I would not trust as far as I could throw him.
I have heard another piece of information from Kenmore locals that the body was held down by chains which had been taken from Coles at Kenmore; I have been trying to read as much as I could on the forum to see where there is a mention of chains, but haven't been able to yet. Also where would the chains have come from? I have never seen any chains outside the supermarket. Does anyone know anything about this?
Thanks,
J

ollijack
06-30-2012, 09:12 PM
Welcome Jools.....there is sooo much reading....

I do remember something about chains....many many pages ago xx

KG1
06-30-2012, 09:20 PM
Here is a video clip on the same thing:

UFED (Universal Forensic Extraction Device) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaeiBHPbJ-I)

How did I know that you would hone in grannie? I just did, but amazing stuff, don't you think?

Me, think I will go back to the Remington typewriter and morse code. Whatever can be done by the experts will also be replicated by the crooks and scammers too one day. Is modern technology really so wonderful? I know it is extremely powerful.

But it still takes 3-5 days for a bank to clear a cheque. Go figure.

jubillee
06-30-2012, 09:20 PM
Nothing surprises me about them - I can only imagine how awful they were to Allison

Thats not necessarily true. They may have loved her deeply

CJ60
06-30-2012, 09:20 PM
Hi Websleuths,
I haven't said anything before as getting up to speed with events since I joined.
I just have a couple of comments:
I know someone who was shown a house by NBC, as he apparently also was/is a realestate agent. During the viewing he asked the person if the house was what they were looking for; they pointed out an area of termite damage, at which he suddenly became enraged, shouting at them, and literally threw the viewers out of the property. The impression of the viewer was that he is an extremely unpleasant man and far more threatening and menacing than could ever have been expected. So everything I read about NBC is in the context that he is an extremely unpleasant individual who I would not trust as far as I could throw him.
I have heard another piece of information from Kenmore locals that the body was held down by chains which had been taken from Coles at Kenmore; I have been trying to read as much as I could on the forum to see where there is a mention of chains, but haven't been able to yet. Also where would the chains have come from? I have never seen any chains outside the supermarket. Does anyone know anything about this?
Thanks,
J

Welcome!

Thanks for giving us some insight into N's personality!

Our Supersleuth Indromum helped us put the Coles chain theory to bed! She tracked down the trolley boy - no chains from Coles have been reported missing!

jubillee
06-30-2012, 09:22 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:
Just bookmark at the page you are currently on each time

CJ60
06-30-2012, 09:27 PM
Nothing surprises me about them - I can only imagine how awful they were to Allison

I think many of us understand why you are saying this; it is just that their actions appear to show total disregard for Allison. And I know we have heard time and time again that everyone reacts differently.....

But if they really cared, and they were all innocent, with nothing to hide - then why are they not talking to the QPS about the facetime call?

JMO

minni
06-30-2012, 09:29 PM
Welcome Jools
:welcome:
read through thread #13, most of our conversation regarding the chains is on this thread :D

thanks for the story about NBC...sounds like a control freak, having a tantrum like that when things don't work out how he wants them doesnt he? like father like son MOO

KG1
06-30-2012, 09:30 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

If you can't find the page initially, do a google search for Australia Allison Baden Clay Websleuths and you should at least get to the thread. You can copy and paste the thread header title and change the page no, ie # to whatever thread page you want. Once on your wanted page, right click and in 'shortcut' on the menu which comes up, select to put a shortcut on your desktop. Then it is just a matter of clicking on the desktop icon to open the thread page. When a new thread page number is created, do the same again. You can always delete the previous page shortcuts when your desktop gets too busy, as you can always find previous threads listed at the start and the end of the current page. Hope this helps

Straitfan
06-30-2012, 09:32 PM
Happy Birthday in heaven Allison... May God provide some kind of peace in the hearts of your daughters and loved one's as they are thinking of you today & have memories of the wonderful mommy, daughter, sibling and friend you were to them. God Bless the family..

kalamityk
06-30-2012, 09:37 PM
Thats not necessarily true. They may have loved her deeply

Then why didn't they help in the search ? Why are they refusing to answer questions? Why did they allow their son to cuddle his mistress in their house ? I believe they love their son and his daughters and each other.

marlywings
06-30-2012, 09:37 PM
Happy Birthday Allison...it's such a beautiful sunshiny day today...you are, I'm sure, a part of that sunshine on everyone's shoulder....

JOHN DENVER Sunshine on my shoulders with lyrics - YouTube

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 09:38 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

Elspeth
06-30-2012, 09:41 PM
I would have thought the QPS would have been able to tell if his car had been driven to Kholo Creek by the GPS but really have no idea about how it works.


Surely if he drove to an area such as this, there would have been signs underneath the vehicle of driving through this kind of scrub ??

Also if he cleaned the blood stain/car when he came home, it must have been still wet when the qps seized the car (early morning) as it would *not* have had time to dry being night time and cool weather. Just curious how he would have done it...

KG1
06-30-2012, 09:42 PM
I think many of us understand why you are saying this; it is just that their actions appear to show total disregard for Allison. And I know we have heard time and time again that everyone reacts differently.....

But if they really cared, and they were all innocent, with nothing to hide - then why are they not talking to the QPS about the facetime call?

JMO

And why were they so silent and inactive throughout the 10-11 days of the search for Allison?
Putting up a photo which has always bothered me for some reason - it is depicting the BCs arrival at Allison's funeral. What is going on there? Do not appear IMO to be grieving individuals. What do others think? MOO

Nads
06-30-2012, 09:43 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

I would also like to know this. Keeping the thread in your favourites is ok til there is a new thread.

For the frequent emoticon users, is there a way to return to the page after using the unusual emoticons and then posting? When I do that it takes me to no man's land and I can't get back to the thread.

Judge'njury
06-30-2012, 09:45 PM
Thats not necessarily true. They may have loved her deeply

Jubillee, with respect, they may have loved her deeply, but unfortunately they have not shown it to the outside world.

1.They did not support the Dickies during the search, apart from a weak attempt from OW for A to be returned to them.
2. There was no mention of A being their loving DIL in the funeral notice.
3. Their stoney faces at the funeral appeared to show a lack of feeling.
4. Why have they NEVER said a word to the press about A to show that they did love her. They are their own worst enemies IMO.

KG1
06-30-2012, 09:49 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

If that was the case, very easy for GBC and NBC to answer that question, but they didn't, although by the time that the call was discovered, the questioning was over for GBC and he was remanded in custody, so he would not have been questioned on that aspect and now cannot be further questioned without a Court Order. (That is the case in Victoria at least).

minni
06-30-2012, 09:49 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

yes, I thought about that last week. Its pretty awful but possible he left his kids home unattended whilst he went about the business of staging the scene. If they have any video footage at the roundabout, they may be able to see if grandparents (BC) drove out there after? or if GBC drove through EARLIER?
hopefully they can piece it together with the times and the car movements.

Judge'njury
06-30-2012, 09:50 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

Good point !

Straitfan
06-30-2012, 09:50 PM
Periodic agreements automatically come into being after a fixed term lease has ended if neither landlord nor renter gives notice. To end lease renter can give two weeks notice and landlord can give two months.

So nothing sinister with dates. Once arrested two weeks notice would have been given IMO.

I'm assuming a removalist truck is someone hired by the home owner to clear out the house? I hope they have had some sympathy under the circumstances for Allison's family and let them have the things they want. Would have thought someone would have already gone in and removed the possessions before they were taken but maybe not? Sorry if discussed already.. :(

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 09:52 PM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

For those who use Safari there is a pair of specs in the top left corner of the browser - if you click on it it is your reading list. You can bookmark any webpage there and go back to it later. To hide the reading list simply click on the specs again. As I log out I click add page and the current WS page I am reading is listed at the top. then I delete the old one below.

Note there is a tab for all and unread - make sure you click all.

Hope this helps

Nads
06-30-2012, 09:56 PM
And why were they so silent and inactive throughout the 10-11 days of the search for Allison?
Putting up a photo which has always bothered me for some reason - it is depicting the BCs arrival at Allison's funeral. What is going on there? Do not appear IMO to be grieving individuals. What do others think? MOO

I think they look normal.

ollijack
06-30-2012, 10:04 PM
Welcome back Minni..

I didnt like Jail much, did you ? lol xxxxxxx

Nads
06-30-2012, 10:06 PM
Respectfully snipped

It would be interesting to know if there were any movements at the NBC house late on April 19th or in the early hours of the 20th. Did neighbours hear the NBC car leave? We have not heard much information about the movements of the BCs around that time. IMO

Aha, perhaps NBC did walk to the bus stop to get a lift. Perhaps they knew their car would disturb a light-sleeping neighbour. I used to have one like that who would always tell my mother what time I got home :banghead:

mouse detective
06-30-2012, 10:16 PM
I like to think when Allisons body was in the river her soul floated away to somewhere safe..

This is why my birthday tribute to Allison is this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCrEoWE3sHM&feature=related


Baby dry your eyes
There's no need to cry
Cause I'll see you again
It might be a while
Before you understand

[Chorus:]
I'm just away down the river
A hundred miles or more
Crossing over Jordan
To the other shore
I'll be standing waiting
With all who've gone before
I'm just away down the river
A hundred miles or more

Now the pictures on the wall
Will help you to recall
They're not there
To make you sad
But to remember
All the good times we had

[Chorus]

When it's time to leave
You're gonna feel the mountain breeze
And the snow will fill the stream
And carry you to me

[Chorus]

UnfoldingTruth
06-30-2012, 10:18 PM
When I saw the moving pic in the courier mail I thought the BC Clan were holding a garage sale, can you imagine it.

I think it is disrespectful to do it on Allisons Birthday.

Happy Birthday Allison, may you rest in peace now your girls are safe.

(I am taking my 3 daughters to the Mind Body Spirit Festival)

Bayside..I don't think they were doing it on Allisons B'day.. The photo appears in todays paper, so been taken before today.. I agree though, I though it looked like they were holding a garage sale to the way they had the table set up and sitting behind it..:waitasec:

I really find it hard to believe that they don't have some understanding at the very least of what went on.. The fact they are refusing to talk to police, to me says they do know something.. If they believed their son was innocent and the facetime call was innocent, why are they not doing all they can to give the police the information they need, that would help get their son off a murder charge?? Unless they are naive and believe he is innocent, but that any information could be used against him..nah, scrap that idea.. it doesn't add up to me.. MOO

Allisons B'day today, its a beautiful sunny day..perhaps she had a hand it that.. up there shining down on her girls and family. It is also my dearest friends b'day as I celebrate her day.. I know there are those such as Allisons family and other families who are without their loved ones to celebrate with.. R.I.P.:rose:

minni
06-30-2012, 10:21 PM
Welcome back Minni..

I didnt like Jail much, did you ? lol xxxxxxx

THANKS OLLI!! :jail: no, it was not much fun :( as usual I was bursting to talk about certain things with you all and couldn't hahaha. and now we are back to sunday. I am notoriously naughty on sundays!!

Its like I wake up thinking,

'oh what a lovely day, I believe I'll kick the day off with a champagne breakfast today, surely that will be pleasant, harmless and not the least bit detrimental to my attitude later on in the day' or

'oh look, its lunch time, we should have a wine with our lunch today, its sunday', we'll just have one or two'

oh boy, I am on my best behaviour today though!! going to take the kids to a family fun day at their loical footy club..no internet there!!

welcome back too Ollijack :D

UnfoldingTruth
06-30-2012, 10:22 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

Unless the police know it was GBC and NBC on the other end..they may have more info on it than we know. And if not, if one of the girls, it is obviously GBC iphone, so depending on where it was.. would they be using it? maybe, maybe not. If they have a normal landline phone, not sure why they would..

Hi Minni.. I saw you ended up taking a forced break ;) ..

minni
06-30-2012, 10:35 PM
Aha, perhaps NBC did walk to the bus stop to get a lift. Perhaps they knew their car would disturb a light-sleeping neighbour. I used to have one like that who would always tell my mother what time I got home :banghead:

I think that is a HUGE possibility! good thinking, he might not have wanted to wake his wife either. I can so picture this scenario in my minds eye. NBC gets the phone call, gets dressed and sneaks out the house and walks up to kenmore roundabout to meet him. It would explain why GBC didnt take the back road through rafting ground.
But, as I type this, it occurs to me that it would be easier for GBC to simply pick him up down the road from his house, not have NBC walk that far. I forget which street they live on, but I thought it was further along Moggill Road down near kilkivan ave. It would be pointless to walk up to the roundabout, only to be driven back past home on the way out to Mt Crosby. What street do they live on? IF it IS that way, then NBC and GBC must have had a reason to be meeting at the roundabout...which just makes me think of the carpark/bins all over again

minni
06-30-2012, 10:44 PM
Unless the police know it was GBC and NBC on the other end..they may have more info on it than we know. And if not, if one of the girls, it is obviously GBC iphone, so depending on where it was.. would they be using it? maybe, maybe not. If they have a normal landline phone, not sure why they would..

Hi Minni.. I saw you ended up taking a forced break ;) ..

Hi Unfolding...yes, a rather lengthy break, as it were!! and not an hour after I beseeched everyone to enjoy Allison's fundraiser cricket day, and not get any time outs by letting other posters annoy them too much...hmmm, I should try practicing what I preach, it would do me the world of good!! its good to be back on Allisons birthday and be able to send some love and thoughts to her children, and its good to be here to share it all with you fabulous and loving people x

angel1
06-30-2012, 10:50 PM
In regards to the BC'S rights to remain silent (or anyone for that matter) i just found some information about it.

The right to remain silent

In most circumstances you must give the police your name and address, but other than that you have the right to remain silent. You can refuse to answer questions asked by police whether you have been stopped in the street, you have been taken to the station for questioning or you have been arrested. You should refuse to answer any questions or sign any statements until you have spoken to a lawyer.


Police interviews and questioning

If police ask you to go to the police station to answer questions, you don't have to go unless you are arrested.

Police must tell you that you don't need to answer their questions. Always get legal advice before taking part in a police interview or giving a formal statement.
If you are under 17 and questioned by police, you must have a 'support person' with you (unless you are being questioned about a minor offence such as obscene language or possession of property suspected of being stolen).

The support person should be a parent or guardian, a solicitor or a person who is acting for you who works in an agency that deals with the law. If none of these is available, get a relative or friend you would like to have there. If this person is not available then get a justice of the peace.

You should tell the police which person you would like to have with you.

If you make a statement to the police, you have a right to get a copy of it. You also have a right to get a copy of any taped record of the interview.


http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/police/article7

minni
06-30-2012, 10:51 PM
Happy Birthday Allison...it's such a beautiful sunshiny day today...you are, I'm sure, a part of that sunshine on everyone's shoulder....

JOHN DENVER Sunshine on my shoulders with lyrics - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybeke7_d1zE)

Geez Marly, this song is so very beautiful, and so very appropriate, but damn it, you've got me crying again already.....I think, for me, that this has to be the song that will always make me think of Allison.

Thankyou, beautiful choice xx

Straitfan
06-30-2012, 10:55 PM
Welcome back Minni..

I didnt like Jail much, did you ? lol xxxxxxx

Y'all are funny :) I've managed to escape jail time for 6 years,(lil calmer these days) but I did get my "hand slapped" one time via a private message... lol Cheers to all & staying out of jail in the future :)

ozazure
06-30-2012, 10:56 PM
On the top of the forum is a blue bar that starts with home, user Cp, blogs.

Further along on that bar is "quick links". If you click on that the menu comes up and you can click on "subscribed threads". I have that page bookmarked for quick access to the last thread I was subbed to.

You automatically subscribe to threads if you post. To manually subscribe there is another blue bar where the thread starts that has "thread tools" on it, you can subscribe there without posting.

If you hit "new posts" on the first blue bar, Allison's thread is normally always near the top in the list because it is frequently being posted on.

When going into a thread, click the blue box with the arrow > on it to get to the newest post for you. If you go into the thread without doing that, there is another link on the thread's blue bar that says "view first unread".

HTH!

minni
06-30-2012, 11:01 PM
I like to think when Allisons body was in the river her soul floated away to somewhere safe..

This is why my birthday tribute to Allison is this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCrEoWE3sHM&feature=related


Baby dry your eyes
There's no need to cry
Cause I'll see you again
It might be a while
Before you understand

[Chorus:]
I'm just away down the river
A hundred miles or more
Crossing over Jordan
To the other shore
I'll be standing waiting
With all who've gone before
I'm just away down the river
A hundred miles or more

Now the pictures on the wall
Will help you to recall
They're not there
To make you sad
But to remember
All the good times we had

[Chorus]

When it's time to leave
You're gonna feel the mountain breeze
And the snow will fill the stream
And carry you to me

[Chorus]

Thankyou Mouse, this is really beautiful and fitting. All that we do here on this forum, our reason for being here, all the personal stories, the grief for Allison, and the coming together and connecting we've all experienced, and of course, our single minded goal that Allison and her daughters recieve justice, really overwhelms me sometimes. and today, the sharing of special songs that mean so much to each person, fills me up with hope that justice will in fact be served, and the truth will all come out in due course. It also makes me super super teary when I listen to these songs, but in a positive way x

Judge'njury
06-30-2012, 11:03 PM
I think that is a HUGE possibility! good thinking, he might not have wanted to wake his wife either. I can so picture this scenario in my minds eye. NBC gets the phone call, gets dressed and sneaks out the house and walks up to kenmore roundabout to meet him. It would explain why GBC didnt take the back road through rafting ground.
But, as I type this, it occurs to me that it would be easier for GBC to simply pick him up down the road from his house, not have NBC walk that far. I forget which street they live on, but I thought it was further along Moggill Road down near kilkivan ave. It would be pointless to walk up to the roundabout, only to be driven back past home on the way out to Mt Crosby. What street do they live on? IF it IS that way, then NBC and GBC must have had a reason to be meeting at the roundabout...which just makes me think of the carpark/bins all over again

I have always thought that this is possibly what happened.

itsthevibe
06-30-2012, 11:03 PM
Happy Birthday Dear Allison

It is also Princess Di's birthday today too

Two beautiful ladies both well loved and sadly missed

Yes, and both got a raw deal from their husbands and suffered in silence for a long time, trying to make their marriage work despite their husbands stupidity and infidelities. And both also devoted lots of love and energy into their children, so they knew they were loved, were taught excellent values and so on. Lots of similarities, these lovely ladies left a great legacy, but so much was tinged with sadness.

minni
06-30-2012, 11:08 PM
Y'all are funny :) I've managed to escape jail time for 6 years,(lil calmer these days) but I did get my "hand slapped" one time via a private message... lol Cheers to all & staying out of jail in the future :)

hah good for you Straitfan :D I shall try to take a page out of your book...I can't help myself even when I know its not going to end well, but I am one week older, so most certainly wiser by now!! haha

itsthevibe
06-30-2012, 11:15 PM
Respectfully snipped

It would be interesting to know if there were any movements at the NBC house late on April 19th or in the early hours of the 20th. Did neighbours hear the NBC car leave? We have not heard much information about the movements of the BCs around that time. IMO

Still reading so not sure if this has been said - there was a rumour that NBC was seen at a bus stop at the Kenmore Roundabout, and another rumour that he actually walked there. I am wondering if this is true, as their house is walking distance, and he could have done this specifically so that the noise of a vehicle didn't attract attention, and wasn't sighted anywhere in the vicinity of any of the relevant locations.

Not sure of how everrything would have played out with him being at the roundabout, if it turns out to be true, but I always felt it was a possibility.

ollijack
06-30-2012, 11:15 PM
On the top of the forum is a blue bar that starts with home, user Cp, blogs.

Further along on that bar is "quick links". If you click on that the menu comes up and you can click on "subscribed threads". I have that page bookmarked for quick access to the last thread I was subbed to.

You automatically subscribe to threads if you post. To manually subscribe there is another blue bar where the thread starts that has "thread tools" on it, you can subscribe there without posting.

If you hit "new posts" on the first blue bar, Allison's thread is normally always near the top in the list because it is frequently being posted on.

When going into a thread, click the blue box with the arrow > on it to get to the newest post for you. If you go into the thread without doing that, there is another link on the thread's blue bar that says "view first unread".

HTH!

Thankyou......that was so helpful...and Ive been here ages lol xxxx

Even
06-30-2012, 11:22 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

Now that would blow the case wide open.

Can NBC be put forced onto the witness stand when it comes to court and asked to explain the content of the call ?

ollijack
06-30-2012, 11:22 PM
THANKS OLLI!! :jail: no, it was not much fun :( as usual I was bursting to talk about certain things with you all and couldn't hahaha. and now we are back to sunday. I am notoriously naughty on sundays!!

Its like I wake up thinking,

'oh what a lovely day, I believe I'll kick the day off with a champagne breakfast today, surely that will be pleasant, harmless and not the least bit detrimental to my attitude later on in the day' or

'oh look, its lunch time, we should have a wine with our lunch today, its sunday', we'll just have one or two'

oh boy, I am on my best behaviour today though!! going to take the kids to a family fun day at their loical footy club..no internet there!!

welcome back too Ollijack :D

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:yep wine lol

itsthevibe
06-30-2012, 11:26 PM
I would have thought the QPS would have been able to tell if his car had been driven to Kholo Creek by the GPS but really have no idea about how it works.


Surely if he drove to an area such as this, there would have been signs underneath the vehicle of driving through this kind of scrub ??

Also if he cleaned the blood stain/car when he came home, it must have been still wet when the qps seized the car (early morning) as it would *not* have had time to dry being night time and cool weather. Just curious how he would have done it...

If he drovto the Kholo bridge there is no scrub, it's a bitumen road all the way. If you drive onto the small vacant patch it is just grassy and a bit of mud if its been raining, but nothing that could be considered scrub or have any effect on the underside of a vehicle that would be any different to drving into your own yard during wet weather. I've driven right there so i do know what it's like. Might be different if he went into the Scout Camp and disposed of the body in another stretch of the river though, not sure.

The cleaning of the blood could have been wet, however a bit of effort could have been put into drying it. But also, I noticed in one report early this week I think (I think it was a report that referred to the blood and released pictures of the inside of the cars) it mentioned the boot was full of kids toys, which on removal revealed the blood stains. Did anyone else see this report? It gave me the impression that a whole lot of kids toys had been put there to deflect attention from what was underneath.

YoureNicked
06-30-2012, 11:29 PM
Now that would blow the case wide open.

Can NBC be put forced onto the witness stand when it comes to court and asked to explain the content of the call ?

I wonder if that's why NBC hasn't been arrested yet...because the police want to call him as a witness and force him to give answers to the questions he so far hasn't responded to.

ollijack
06-30-2012, 11:30 PM
In regards to the BC'S rights to remain silent (or anyone for that matter) i just found some information about it.

The right to remain silent

In most circumstances you must give the police your name and address, but other than that you have the right to remain silent. You can refuse to answer questions asked by police whether you have been stopped in the street, you have been taken to the station for questioning or you have been arrested. You should refuse to answer any questions or sign any statements until you have spoken to a lawyer.


Police interviews and questioning

If police ask you to go to the police station to answer questions, you don't have to go unless you are arrested.

Police must tell you that you don't need to answer their questions. Always get legal advice before taking part in a police interview or giving a formal statement.
If you are under 17 and questioned by police, you must have a 'support person' with you (unless you are being questioned about a minor offence such as obscene language or possession of property suspected of being stolen).

The support person should be a parent or guardian, a solicitor or a person who is acting for you who works in an agency that deals with the law. If none of these is available, get a relative or friend you would like to have there. If this person is not available then get a justice of the peace.

You should tell the police which person you would like to have with you.

If you make a statement to the police, you have a right to get a copy of it. You also have a right to get a copy of any taped record of the interview.


http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/police/article7

Thankyou Angel 1...

damn law....I wish we could use thumb screws to get the truth...lol..
:bricks: oops..shouldnt have said that

YoureNicked
06-30-2012, 11:40 PM
If he drovto the Kholo bridge there is no scrub, it's a bitumen road all the way. If you drive onto the small vacant patch it is just grassy and a bit of mud if its been raining, but nothing that could be considered scrub or have any effect on the underside of a vehicle that would be any different to drving into your own yard during wet weather. I've driven right there so i do know what it's like. Might be different if he went into the Scout Camp and disposed of the body in another stretch of the river though, not sure.

The cleaning of the blood could have been wet, however a bit of effort could have been put into drying it. But also, I noticed in one report early this week I think (I think it was a report that referred to the blood and released pictures of the inside of the cars) it mentioned the boot was full of kids toys, which on removal revealed the blood stains. Did anyone else see this report? It gave me the impression that a whole lot of kids toys had been put there to deflect attention from what was underneath.

Thanks, itsthevibe for sharing your local knowledge of the kholo creek bridge area.

No, I haven't read or heard anything regarding children's toys in the back seat of the car on top of the blood stains. Thanks also for sharing this info. If true it's a fairly desperate attempt to hide blood isn't it? As if the police wouldn't clear out the car and have a thorough look!

I keep thinking about the scout area too and tend to think that the connections to the B-C family are too obvious to make it where the killer placed Allison, if it was GBC. I tend to think the bridge would be more likely as less direct connection to the family and it could fit in with a fake suicide scenario.

MOO

It is a very sad day, being Allison's birthday but it's lovely to listen to and read all the tributes here. Thanks everyone for that.

KG1
07-01-2012, 12:01 AM
My sincerest thoughts and prayers are with Allison's daughters, parents, brother and sister and all those who loved her dearly, on this sad day, commemorating her 44th birthday. Despite your sadness and trauma, you can take tremendous pride in the knowledge that many, many people recognized, validated and loved Allison for the person she was. I am sure she is watching over all of you and knows that her girls are very safe and very loved.

Sleuthilicious
07-01-2012, 12:16 AM
Hi - slightly OT but is there a quick way to get into the current ABC thread?

ATM being a newbie, I am going into "Forums", then ABC subsection, then into thread 28, link to 29, go to modlink into #30.

Am sure there must be a more user friendly way...

Any help greatfully appreciated...:banghead:

Catching up on this thread...

I have a squiz at my history and select the most recent page from there. :)

Even
07-01-2012, 12:19 AM
I once volunteered for a lineup inspection as a student after being asked by a cute police woman in the street! This is the one where they have a witness and line up 10 people including the suspect in front of a see through mirror so the witness can see you and you can't see them.

Apparently the witness went nuts and was adamant I was the thief who broke into her house! Anyhow I was questioned for 2 hours and they do twist everything you say. it was extremely unpleasant and ridiculous... As who in their right mind volunteers for a lineup if they did the crime? When it comes to dates and times and what you were doing on particular days it is very difficult to remember when under a barage of questioning.

If I was ever going to be questioned as an innocent person I would lawyer up instantly, and make a considered statement through them. So in the aspect of GBC,NBC lawyering up, I don't see this as a sign of innocence or guilt. Just something to consider.

The lack of a considered statement through a lawyer, to questions asked by police, I do find strange.

Kimster
07-01-2012, 12:21 AM
http://w49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jmtimms/Maggie%20birthday/happy_birthday_sunflower-2.jpg
http://w49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jmtimms/Maggie%20birthday/happy_birthday_sunflower-2.jpg

Birthdays like this break my heart. :tears: So many birthdays for the victims represented on Websleuths ~ so many tears. Enough to water all the sunflowers in Australia.

Rest in peace, dear Allison. I am praying for your loved ones.

Sleuthilicious
07-01-2012, 12:38 AM
I always thought when police asked you a question you really should, for your own sake, answer.......I have spent years watching my beloved Midsummer Murders....thats were my education comes from....hmmm..
Why cant they take NBC in and keep him there until he answers..?

I have to admit tht I would get a lawyer. A person very close to me is QPS and he agrees with lawyering up (although hates it on cases he is investigating of course!).

I would though, if I was perfectly innocent of my wife's/DIL's disappearance/death ask my solicitor the best way to help with the investigation and assist with information as much as possible...with legal help.

Sleuthilicious
07-01-2012, 12:42 AM
In regards to the BC'S rights to remain silent (or anyone for that matter) i just found some information about it.

The right to remain silent

In most circumstances you must give the police your name and address, but other than that you have the right to remain silent. You can refuse to answer questions asked by police whether you have been stopped in the street, you have been taken to the station for questioning or you have been arrested. You should refuse to answer any questions or sign any statements until you have spoken to a lawyer.


Police interviews and questioning

If police ask you to go to the police station to answer questions, you don't have to go unless you are arrested.

Police must tell you that you don't need to answer their questions. Always get legal advice before taking part in a police interview or giving a formal statement.
If you are under 17 and questioned by police, you must have a 'support person' with you (unless you are being questioned about a minor offence such as obscene language or possession of property suspected of being stolen).

The support person should be a parent or guardian, a solicitor or a person who is acting for you who works in an agency that deals with the law. If none of these is available, get a relative or friend you would like to have there. If this person is not available then get a justice of the peace.

You should tell the police which person you would like to have with you.

If you make a statement to the police, you have a right to get a copy of it. You also have a right to get a copy of any taped record of the interview.


http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/police/article7

I'd hate to think what QPS would say of our google searches ;)

Elspeth
07-01-2012, 01:00 AM
When did GBC ring the Dickies...Was it before or after his 000 call to QPS...I wondered why he called 000 instead of the ordinary police number firstly to express his concern that Allison was missing...

bearbear
07-01-2012, 01:06 AM
i think this link has already been posted but ifnd it odd they mention
"his parents Nigel and Elaine loaded up a trailer with goods, including their son's golf clubs," why even mention golf clubs and not something less lethal sounding like books or clothes etc are they trying to hint at the significance of golf clubs?

http://www.news.com.au/national/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6frfkvr-1226413402683?from=public_rss

BJsleuth
07-01-2012, 01:11 AM
In regards to the BC'S rights to remain silent (or anyone for that matter) i just found some information about it.

The right to remain silent

In most circumstances you must give the police your name and address, but other than that you have the right to remain silent. You can refuse to answer questions asked by police whether you have been stopped in the street, you have been taken to the station for questioning or you have been arrested. You should refuse to answer any questions or sign any statements until you have spoken to a lawyer.


Police interviews and questioning

If police ask you to go to the police station to answer questions, you don't have to go unless you are arrested.

Police must tell you that you don't need to answer their questions. Always get legal advice before taking part in a police interview or giving a formal statement.
If you are under 17 and questioned by police, you must have a 'support person' with you (unless you are being questioned about a minor offence such as obscene language or possession of property suspected of being stolen).

The support person should be a parent or guardian, a solicitor or a person who is acting for you who works in an agency that deals with the law. If none of these is available, get a relative or friend you would like to have there. If this person is not available then get a justice of the peace.

You should tell the police which person you would like to have with you.

If you make a statement to the police, you have a right to get a copy of it. You also have a right to get a copy of any taped record of the interview.


http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/police/article7

In addition to that:

The distinction between pre-trial silence & silence at trial

A distinction has arisen between the treatment of an accused’s silence prior to trial and an accused’s refusal to give evidence at trial. Recent High Court cases, such as Glennon v R,[34] affirm the right to pre-trial silence but doubts have existed over whether the right to silence prevents the drawing of unfavourable inferences from a person’s silence at trial. In Petty & Maiden v R[35] the High Court rejected the suggestion that, while the court could not infer consciousness of guilt from silence, it could deny credibility to a late defence or explanation because of earlier silence. The court held the latter as well as the former to be impermissible, as a ‘fundamental incident of a suspect’s right to pre-trial silence is that no adverse inference can be drawn’ from exercising that right.[36] Mason CJ, Deane, Toohey & McHugh JJ cautioned that:

the denial of the credibility of that late defence or explanation by reason of the accused’s earlier silence is just another way of drawing an adverse inference (albeit less strong than an inference of guilt) against the accused by reason of his or her exercise of the right of silence. Such an erosion of the fundamental right should not be permitted. Indeed, in a case where the positive matter of explanation or defence constitutes the real issue of the trial, to direct the jury that it was open to them to draw an adverse inference about its genuineness from the fact that the accused had not previously raised it would be to convert the right to remain silent into a source of entrapment.[37]

Later in Weissensteiner v R,[38] the High Court took a more pragmatic approach to silence at trial. It found that, where the prosecution had proved its case to a certain standard, the judge may direct the jury that if facts they find proved can support an inference of guilt and there are things which it would be reasonable to expect the accused would know, and would disclose if they were consistent with his or her innocence, the jury may take such silence into account, in deciding whether to draw the inference.[39]

It is only when the failure of the accused to give evidence is a circumstance which may bear upon the probative value of the evidence which has been given and which the jury is required to consider, that they may take it into account, and they may take it into account only for the purpose of evaluating that evidence.[40]

Unfavourable inferences could now be drawn from an accused’s silence at trial. This approach was defended by Mason CJ, Deane and Dawson JJ who stated:

But it is not to deny the right [to maintain silence]; it is merely to recognise that the jury cannot, and cannot be required to, shut their eyes to the consequences of exercising the right.[41]

For Palmer, there is a clear rationale for the court’s distinction between pre-trial and at-trial silence:

[T]he right to pre-trial silence is based on notions of what constitutes fairness in the State’s methods of investigating and proving an alleged offence.[42]

The same rationale does not apply to the right not to testify, since here ‘the accused is not asked to testify against himself (sic), but in favour of himself (sic)’.[43]

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/MqLJ/2001/3.html

jubillee
07-01-2012, 01:33 AM
Jubillee, with respect, they may have loved her deeply, but unfortunately they have not shown it to the outside world.

1.They did not support the Dickies during the search, apart from a weak attempt from OW for A to be returned to them.
2. There was no mention of A being their loving DIL in the funeral notice.
3. Their stoney faces at the funeral appeared to show a lack of feeling.
4. Why have they NEVER said a word to the press about A to show that they did love her. They are their own worst enemies IMO.

I was responding to the statement that they treated her badly. My point was that they would not have necessarily have done so while she was alive. How they have conducted themselves since her death is a different matter

UnfoldingTruth
07-01-2012, 02:14 AM
Hi Unfolding...yes, a rather lengthy break, as it were!! and not an hour after I beseeched everyone to enjoy Allison's fundraiser cricket day, and not get any time outs by letting other posters annoy them too much...hmmm, I should try practicing what I preach, it would do me the world of good!! its good to be back on Allisons birthday and be able to send some love and thoughts to her children, and its good to be here to share it all with you fabulous and loving people x

Yes I logged back on to see you had succumbed, and were on a sojourn..perhaps it was a blessing in disguise..so as to allow you to attend to all that stuff that doesn't get done while on here..lol..

But, won't talk about that anymore or I might be taking a break.. Many lovely posts on here today.

Amee
07-01-2012, 02:17 AM
Sending love and strength to Allisons girls and family.
RIP Beautiful Allison.
xx

marlywings
07-01-2012, 02:23 AM
Forgetting about all this right to remain silent & lawyering up etc just for a sec...in my opinion, if a decent, honest human being is completely innocent & has nothing to hide, they sit down with police & tell them everything they know or are aware of. To not do this it is instantly showing you are hiding something from police & you are being dishonest.

Now, it seems GBC has made that video call to NBC's phone...he obviously wasn't calling Santa Claus as the call can only be to whoever was in that house that night at the time detected......either NBC, EBC, or even OW & her pastor husband if they were staying there at the time.

I hope police arrest the whole damn lot of them...this would make the five Paul Tully mentioned on his blog weeks back....

"""There is even a suggestion in legal circles that up to 5 people may be under investigation over the murder, including accessories after the fact"""

http://paulgtully.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/how-long-more-till-police-pounce-on.html

marlywings
07-01-2012, 02:33 AM
As reported, police acquired the info about the video call from GBC's phone to NBC's phone only hours before the bail hearing...

According to the affidavit, the police Electronic Evidence Examination Unit advised Sgt Roddick they had discovered the call only hours before Baden-Clay's scheduled bail hearing on Thursday June 21.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gerard-baden-clays-parents-refused-to-give-interviews-during-effort-to-solve-death-of-allison-baden-clay-court-documents-claim/story-e6freon6-1226413189448

But way back on 10th May they seemed to already have their suspicions about an accomplice....

POLICE are investigating whether Allison Baden-Clay's killer had an accomplice.
It is understood police are looking at whether a second person may have assisted with the murder or have helped to cover it up

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/allison-baden-clays-killer-may-have-had-accomplice/story-e6freoof-1226351399375

So..what else could it have been which made police suspect more than one was involved??...still something to do with the roundabout??

UnfoldingTruth
07-01-2012, 02:34 AM
i think this link has already been posted but ifnd it odd they mention
"his parents Nigel and Elaine loaded up a trailer with goods, including their son's golf clubs," why even mention golf clubs and not something less lethal sounding like books or clothes etc are they trying to hint at the significance of golf clubs?

http://www.news.com.au/national/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6frfkvr-1226413402683?from=public_rss

I think if GBC's golf clubs were at all suspected in Allisons death..he would not have still had them. The police would have seized them. I believe they know cause of death, they would have likely known what was used if something other than the other persons hands and they would have searched and seized while the house was a crime scene..IMO

minni
07-01-2012, 02:36 AM
If he drovto the Kholo bridge there is no scrub, it's a bitumen road all the way. If you drive onto the small vacant patch it is just grassy and a bit of mud if its been raining, but nothing that could be considered scrub or have any effect on the underside of a vehicle that would be any different to drving into your own yard during wet weather. I've driven right there so i do know what it's like. Might be different if he went into the Scout Camp and disposed of the body in another stretch of the river though, not sure.

The cleaning of the blood could have been wet, however a bit of effort could have been put into drying it. But also, I noticed in one report early this week I think (I think it was a report that referred to the blood and released pictures of the inside of the cars) it mentioned the boot was full of kids toys, which on removal revealed the blood stains. Did anyone else see this report? It gave me the impression that a whole lot of kids toys had been put there to deflect attention from what was underneath.

He's a peach

BJsleuth
07-01-2012, 02:37 AM
Forgetting about all this right to remain silent & lawyering up etc just for a sec...in my opinion, if a decent, honest human being is completely innocent & has nothing to hide, they sit down with police & tell them everything they know or are aware of. To not do this it is instantly showing you are hiding something from police & you are being dishonest.

Now, it seems GBC has made that video call to NBC's phone...he obviously wasn't calling Santa Claus as the call can only be to whoever was in that house that night at the time detected......either NBC, EBC, or even OW & her pastor husband if they were staying there at the time.

I hope police arrest the whole damn lot of them...this would make the five Paul Tully mentioned on his blog weeks back....

"""There is even a suggestion in legal circles that up to 5 people may be under investigation over the murder, including accessories after the fact"""

http://paulgtully.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/how-long-more-till-police-pounce-on.html

To be honest Marlywings, if it were me, i'd just want my loved one found and would throw caution to the wind and tell police whatever they wanted to know while pleading with them to find my loved one or whoever did it. I would want to help so that they could get on with it and look at other alternatives as a suspect.

itsthevibe
07-01-2012, 02:39 AM
I am just hoping that there is so much more that hasn't been released to strengthen the case. I find that we are buoyed by new information and then over time I know for myself I do start to lose a bit of hope if nothing new occurs. If GBC is guilty of murder, I want to believe that the case is strong enough to convict him for murder. And if others were involved or even knew, I want to see them arrested for whatever the relevant crimes are for their involvement or knowledge, no exceptions. Sometimes I feel that maybe some of the players will fly under the radar or for some reason they won't be charged, and I hate that thought. If there is a crime, they should do the time for that crime and no less.

BJsleuth
07-01-2012, 02:42 AM
So..what else could it have been which made police suspect more than one was involved??...still something to do with the roundabout??

<snip> Possibly just the knowledge he had a mistress?

marlywings
07-01-2012, 02:43 AM
I think if GBC's golf clubs were at all suspected in Allisons death..he would not have still had them. The police would have seized them. I believe they know cause of death, they would have likely known what was used if something other than the other persons hands and they would have searched and seized while the house was a crime scene..IMO

I'm not sure they would need to take the whole set if just one golf club was used as a weapon...if it were found away from the set that is??

Thinking
07-01-2012, 02:45 AM
i think this link has already been posted but ifnd it odd they mention
"his parents Nigel and Elaine loaded up a trailer with goods, including their son's golf clubs," why even mention golf clubs and not something less lethal sounding like books or clothes etc are they trying to hint at the significance of golf clubs?

http://www.news.com.au/national/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6frfkvr-1226413402683?from=public_rss

I noticed that too, but thought it was more reference to how the mighty have fallen - not going to be using those golf clubs for a looooooong time....

marlywings
07-01-2012, 02:48 AM
To be honest Marlywings, if it were me, i'd just want my loved one found and would throw caution to the wind and tell police whatever they wanted to know while pleading with them to find my loved one or whoever did it. I would want to help so that they could get on with it and look at other alternatives as a suspect.

Yes...all you've said also...this is what decent, honest human beings do in these circumstances when they have absolutely nothing to hide. None of them have done any of this.

UnfoldingTruth
07-01-2012, 02:51 AM
I'm not sure they would need to take the whole set if just one golf club was used as a weapon...if it were found away from the set that is??

Yep..possibly..depends, they may initially take the whole set. I was just pointing out as I thought the poster was reading in that they were the murder weapon.. If one of them was I don't think BC'S would have it there..Police would. But possibly you could be right that the rest would not be seized..it really depends.. I was thinking intially they may have seized the whole lot, but possibly they would let the others go if they were not found to be relevant. MOO

sorry just reread and saw your bit about if it was away from the set..that would be another silly thing to do(amongst all the others!)..to have it away from the set to draw attention to it..though could have been hidden or attempted to be hidden..but Police would have been looking I am sure and if they noticed a club missing out of the bag..that might set of some alarm bells..

marlywings
07-01-2012, 03:01 AM
I am just hoping that there is so much more that hasn't been released to strengthen the case. I find that we are buoyed by new information and then over time I know for myself I do start to lose a bit of hope if nothing new occurs. If GBC is guilty of murder, I want to believe that the case is strong enough to convict him for murder. And if others were involved or even knew, I want to see them arrested for whatever the relevant crimes are for their involvement or knowledge, no exceptions. Sometimes I feel that maybe some of the players will fly under the radar or for some reason they won't be charged, and I hate that thought. If there is a crime, they should do the time for that crime and no less.

Yes I absolutely agree...although I am staying positive on there being further evidence to come....something pretty darn solid & condemning. DPP didn't have to show, at the bail hearing, all that Inspector Ainsworth had in his gotcha bag. This, along with the fact it took only two months for the arrest to happen.

CouchCop
07-01-2012, 03:10 AM
Not having read all the posts, I hope I am not duplicating what may have been said before in WS. Unrelated to the matter before the courts at the moment, I stumbled across an entry in the law pages that showed that December 2000 GBC lodged a damages claim against employer Flightcentre. I believe it has been published that ABC & GBC returned to employment in Flightcentre in 1999 after returning from overseas travels. In early 2011, Flightcentre lodged paperwork as "Intention to Defend the Damages Claim". Can't see (and don't know how to search) for any other information on the matter or if it never progressed beyond filing papers. One wonders if a damages claim might have been an opportunistic move to receive some sort of payment from the employer.

On another thought, I read today that the Baden-Clay's had rented the Brookfield property. It is widely known that the last 2 years have been tough going in the real estate industry but six years seems a long time for an astute business man not to be able to attain property ownership? This seems to indicate a long history of debt issues.

BJsleuth
07-01-2012, 03:30 AM
On another thought, I read today that the Baden-Clay's had rented the Brookfield property. It is widely known that the last 2 years have been tough going in the real estate industry but six years seems a long time for an astute business man not to be able to attain property ownership? This seems to indicate a long history of debt issues.

I thought the same thing!

Considering "Mr Baden-Clay built his career from the ground up - starting as a junior accountant at KPMG and working his way to the role of principal at Century 21 Westside." one would think he would have a better handle on finances and investment. Makes one wonder why he would need a financial adviser too.

Aching
07-01-2012, 03:32 AM
Hi all, Just thought after weeks of reading I should post my opinion - and my guess only nothing from what has been reported.

My theory is that they were not fighting and GBC intent was with purpose and he was probably sucking up to say it nicely. He probable said good night darling see you in bed with all his intent in his head. I am sure if you were planning on doing away with someone you would not be pressing their red buttons or fighting in front of your children.
I do think ABC went to the Hairdresser getting ready for tomorrow and I don't thing GBC would have said Boo about the other women being at the same deal tomorrow - as GBC knew she was not going to get to the conference as he was going to sort that this out this evening. He most likely told ABC everything was lovely - my theory only.
I think Allison probably made the lunches the night before as some Mums do, and I think Allison was probably actually watching TV when GBC went to bed to lay in wait for ABC to come to bed. In my opinion her life ended in her bed. Maybe he has some of that tape duct duck tape or whatever it is called. And my theory is she got in bed and he did the cuddle up to get closer then he sat on her chest gagged her mouth but he had not thought about the hands grabbing at him and he then did his damage.

I think as one other person said earlier new the place he would get rid of the body - and he did that with the help of his accomplice. Just my opinion but i think if you were going to end someones life you would not be making them your enemy at that point in time.

minni
07-01-2012, 03:38 AM
He's a peach

he reminds me of those young stupid mothers who stroll through Kmart with their wee babies in a pram...steal all the crap they can get their grubby little paws on, then mosey on out of the store, whilst their baby sits on all the evidence!!!
this is the image I see when I imagine him loading up the back of the SUV with kids toys....

you must have to be an incredibly top notch piece of crap to do something like this...it is pretty hard to imagine a wife murderer could still make you shudder with revulsion over something other than his horrendous crime of murder, but this guy does it for me.......SHUDDER

Elspeth
07-01-2012, 03:45 AM
Hi all, Just thought after weeks of reading I should post my opinion - and my guess only nothing from what has been reported.

My theory is that they were not fighting and GBC intent was with purpose and he was probably sucking up to say it nicely. He probable said good night darling see you in bed with all his intent in his head. I am sure if you were planning on doing away with someone you would not be pressing their red buttons or fighting in front of your children.
I do think ABC went to the Hairdresser getting ready for tomorrow and I don't thing GBC would have said Boo about the other women being at the same deal tomorrow - as GBC knew she was not going to get to the conference as he was going to sort that this out this evening. He most likely told ABC everything was lovely - my theory only.
I think Allison probably made the lunches the night before as some Mums do, and I think Allison was probably actually watching TV when GBC went to bed to lay in wait for ABC to come to bed. In my opinion her life ended in her bed. Maybe he has some of that tape duct duck tape or whatever it is called. And my theory is she got in bed and he did the cuddle up to get closer then he sat on her chest gagged her mouth but he had not thought about the hands grabbing at him and he then did his damage.

I think as one other person said earlier new the place he would get rid of the body - and he did that with the help of his accomplice. Just my opinion but i think if you were going to end someones life you would not be making them your enemy at that point in time.

Goodness this theory really is creepy about the duct tape etc but also possible with the girls at home. For some reason though I feel they would not have shared the same room after Allison found out about the affair.

OakingtonAve
07-01-2012, 03:46 AM
Hi all, Just thought after weeks of reading I should post my opinion - and my guess only nothing from what has been reported.

My theory is that they were not fighting and GBC intent was with purpose and he was probably sucking up to say it nicely. He probable said good night darling see you in bed with all his intent in his head. I am sure if you were planning on doing away with someone you would not be pressing their red buttons or fighting in front of your children.
I do think ABC went to the Hairdresser getting ready for tomorrow and I don't thing GBC would have said Boo about the other women being at the same deal tomorrow - as GBC knew she was not going to get to the conference as he was going to sort that this out this evening. He most likely told ABC everything was lovely - my theory only.
I think Allison probably made the lunches the night before as some Mums do, and I think Allison was probably actually watching TV when GBC went to bed to lay in wait for ABC to come to bed. In my opinion her life ended in her bed. Maybe he has some of that tape duct duck tape or whatever it is called. And my theory is she got in bed and he did the cuddle up to get closer then he sat on her chest gagged her mouth but he had not thought about the hands grabbing at him and he then did his damage.

I think as one other person said earlier new the place he would get rid of the body - and he did that with the help of his accomplice. Just my opinion but i think if you were going to end someones life you would not be making them your enemy at that point in time.


Makes a lot of sense - but had goosebumps reading it...

minni
07-01-2012, 03:47 AM
Hi all, Just thought after weeks of reading I should post my opinion - and my guess only nothing from what has been reported.

My theory is that they were not fighting and GBC intent was with purpose and he was probably sucking up to say it nicely. He probable said good night darling see you in bed with all his intent in his head. I am sure if you were planning on doing away with someone you would not be pressing their red buttons or fighting in front of your children.
I do think ABC went to the Hairdresser getting ready for tomorrow and I don't thing GBC would have said Boo about the other women being at the same deal tomorrow - as GBC knew she was not going to get to the conference as he was going to sort that this out this evening. He most likely told ABC everything was lovely - my theory only.
I think Allison probably made the lunches the night before as some Mums do, and I think Allison was probably actually watching TV when GBC went to bed to lay in wait for ABC to come to bed. In my opinion her life ended in her bed. Maybe he has some of that tape duct duck tape or whatever it is called. And my theory is she got in bed and he did the cuddle up to get closer then he sat on her chest gagged her mouth but he had not thought about the hands grabbing at him and he then did his damage.

I think as one other person said earlier new the place he would get rid of the body - and he did that with the help of his accomplice. Just my opinion but i think if you were going to end someones life you would not be making them your enemy at that point in time.

Welcome Aching :cheer:

You make a very good point here, if he was planning it, he would not be trying to stir the pot. but there has been confirmation that they argued loudly that night and the night before. I too do think he had planned it in a manner similar to what you say.......keep the peace and then BAM...strike when the moment is right, only something happened to change the original plans.
What a stupid inadequate man. As a husband he was a major failure. As a business man, he didnt stand out really at all, and appears to have failed time after time after time. Im guessing as a friend he was pretty crappy as I have never heard of him having a single friend since this whole sordid sorry (*&^ up...seriously NOT ONE

And finally, as a murderer, HUGE MAJOR FAIL!!! This man cannot get a single thing right.

Elspeth
07-01-2012, 03:52 AM
Makes a lot of sense - but had goosebumps reading it...

Gave me goosebumps too...as it would certainly be easy to do if someone was asleep eg...

grannie
07-01-2012, 03:56 AM
I'm not sure they would need to take the whole set if just one golf club was used as a weapon...if it were found away from the set that is??
And did they count the pillows in the house? Is there any pillow or a towel missing? :websleuther:

minni
07-01-2012, 03:56 AM
Not having read all the posts, I hope I am not duplicating what may have been said before in WS. Unrelated to the matter before the courts at the moment, I stumbled across an entry in the law pages that showed that December 2000 GBC lodged a damages claim against employer Flightcentre. I believe it has been published that ABC & GBC returned to employment in Flightcentre in 1999 after returning from overseas travels. In early 2011, Flightcentre lodged paperwork as "Intention to Defend the Damages Claim". Can't see (and don't know how to search) for any other information on the matter or if it never progressed beyond filing papers. One wonders if a damages claim might have been an opportunistic move to receive some sort of payment from the employer.

On another thought, I read today that the Baden-Clay's had rented the Brookfield property. It is widely known that the last 2 years have been tough going in the real estate industry but six years seems a long time for an astute business man not to be able to attain property ownership? This seems to indicate a long history of debt issues.

welcome CouchCop :cheer:, I agree with you here. For an astute business man, trying to climb the ladder of success as GBC was so clearly aiming to do, he sure has made a mess of things. He has attempted joint ventures, trusts, businesses, constanting hitting up investors who, for some reason, have fallen for his crap and lent him vast amounts of money.

which he cannot account for.

it doesnt make whole lot of sense if you ask me. I would love to find out how he has made such a mockery of so many savvy investors over the years. I can only assume he uses the same lies that he pulls on his lame conquests.

minni
07-01-2012, 03:59 AM
And did they count the pillows in the house? Is there any pillow or a towel missing? :websleuther:

I think they would have done this very early in the piece...including any blankets or quilts that might be missing, I think they may have been looking throught the industrial bins early on for such items IMO

grannie
07-01-2012, 04:01 AM
And why were they so silent and inactive throughout the 10-11 days of the search for Allison?
Putting up a photo which has always bothered me for some reason - it is depicting the BCs arrival at Allison's funeral. What is going on there? Do not appear IMO to be grieving individuals. What do others think? MOO

Business as usual. (c) :furious:

grannie
07-01-2012, 04:05 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the FaceTime call @ 12.30am was one of the kids who had woken up and couldn't find Mum and Dad? My 5yr old niece uses FaceTime to talk to her poppy (grandpa).

And where could they be at 12:30am? If daddy did not kill mummy, they would have been both in bed. JMO.

Daisyinthedesert
07-01-2012, 04:06 AM
Hi all have a few questions on things I'm not clear on, forgive me if these have been discussed and/or answered earlier...

I cannot see where the story of an old man at a bus stop near the roundabout that night/morning came from? Was that in the MSM or was it suggested by someone here? Did someone on WS drive through there that night and notice this?

With respect to Allison's phone, even though it's still missing, can't her phone carrier give the police data from their end as to calls made and received and even texts made and received. Am phone illiterate so no idea if you actually need the phone itself or not?

A horrifying thought that occurred to me is that GBC may be able to have access to the girls while he's in prison. I worked in a family law firm years ago and I remember a case where a father killed the mother and her parents had to bring the toddler into prison for visits. Could the Dickies have to do this or could they or even the older girl refuse? I know any such visits would be supervised but what sort of effect would this have on either the girls or the Dickies. Anyone have any knowledge on this scenario?

What the heck does BBM mean? I cannot for the life of me figure it out!! LOL

And lastly wishing you all a happy beautiful day no matter your plans, the sort of day we all wish Allison could have had Xxxx

kalamityk
07-01-2012, 04:10 AM
BBM. Bolded By Me

bearbear
07-01-2012, 04:13 AM
I think if GBC's golf clubs were at all suspected in Allisons death..he would not have still had them. The police would have seized them. I believe they know cause of death, they would have likely known what was used if something other than the other persons hands and they would have searched and seized while the house was a crime scene..IMO

yes, i personally dont think the golf clubs are of any significance at all, just odd that they were mentioned, when they could have named any of his belongings being removed. just a little bit of salacious reporting i think.

appleblossom
07-01-2012, 04:19 AM
If anyone wants to leave a condolence message on Allison's Legacy Guest Book here is the link http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/couriermail-au/guestbook.aspx?n=allison-baden-clay&pid=157500203&cid=gbsrchres

I realised early in the month that the Guestbook had expired, and I paid for it to continue for antoher 6 months. But now I see that the message at the top says 'This Guest Book has been kept online until 17/06/2013 by The Sunflower Mums', so looks like some lovely ladies have funded an additional 6 months. Are The Sunflower Mums some of our very own? If it was mentioned here I missed it as I have missed a lot more pages lately.

That was a really, really lovely thing for you to do. It's nice to see there is always shining angels giving selflessly to make other lives better.:heartbeat:

OakingtonAve
07-01-2012, 04:21 AM
What strikes me as obvious in this whole sad and sorry affair is the seeming total lack of empathy and warmth from the BC family.

Seriously, they seem so cold and calculating it actually makes me wonder how she (ABC) survived on a day to day basis - it must've been like she was slowly drowning.

I would imagine those little girls were the only ray of sunshine in her life outside of friends.

RIP beautiful angel...x

mouse detective
07-01-2012, 04:46 AM
i think this link has already been posted but ifnd it odd they mention
"his parents Nigel and Elaine loaded up a trailer with goods, including their son's golf clubs," why even mention golf clubs and not something less lethal sounding like books or clothes etc are they trying to hint at the significance of golf clubs?

http://www.news.com.au/national/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6frfkvr-1226413402683?from=public_rss

Someone mentioned toys in the back of the car - but a typical bloke thing would have been to have golf clubs in there. It may also have been the journo just having a momentary muse about the fact GBC won't be using those for a while. ( unless of course they give prisoners the chance to improve their handicap whilst they are locked away these days - frankly that wouldn't surprise me at all!!).

marlywings
07-01-2012, 04:46 AM
Hi all have a few questions on things I'm not clear on, forgive me if these have been discussed and/or answered earlier...

I cannot see where the story of an old man at a bus stop near the roundabout that night/morning came from? Was that in the MSM or was it suggested by someone here? Did someone on WS drive through there that night and notice this?

With respect to Allison's phone, even though it's still missing, can't her phone carrier give the police data from their end as to calls made and received and even texts made and received. Am phone illiterate so no idea if you actually need the phone itself or not?

A horrifying thought that occurred to me is that GBC may be able to have access to the girls while he's in prison. I worked in a family law firm years ago and I remember a case where a father killed the mother and her parents had to bring the toddler into prison for visits. Could the Dickies have to do this or could they or even the older girl refuse? I know any such visits would be supervised but what sort of effect would this have on either the girls or the Dickies. Anyone have any knowledge on this scenario?

What the heck does BBM mean? I cannot for the life of me figure it out!! LOL

And lastly wishing you all a happy beautiful day no matter your plans, the sort of day we all wish Allison could have had Xxxx

Re the old man at bus stop near roundabout...this came from a member on here...his first post mentions it...

#773 05-31-2012, 02:07 PM
squizzey1
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 202

new on here and have heard a lot from friends in the area. some interesting points 1. a witness was told ABC was strangled. 2. same witness told there was batwater in lungs.3 same witness saw something strange at roundabout, it was BC senior sitting in bus shelter late that night. 4. has been said all hard drives were blank ,interesting. BUT BC senior computer supposidly googled the scout camp late that night. not known facts just info told to me by friends
-------------------------
From another of squizzey's posts...

it was in that timeframe that witness saw BC senior at bus shelter at roundabout and stopped and checked if he was ok apparently about 10.30.

Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #15 - Page 33 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

marlywings
07-01-2012, 04:49 AM
Ooh ...while looking through squizzys posts this one came up...keep in mind this post was around two weeks before GBC's arrest & bail hearing where the mention of "scratches from shaver" came up

#781 05-31-2012, 02:18 PM
squizzey1
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 202

GBC supposedly visited his GP for attention to cuts from shaving, who would do that? cover up for something else I wonder ???????

Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #15 - Page 32 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

ollijack
07-01-2012, 04:50 AM
This has made me laugh till my tummy hurt.......(.Inspector Ainsworth had in his gotcha bag............from .Marlywings post).....I wonder if Danny has one as well...and they do a show and tell every now and then.....very cute image.....hehehehehe(Bless them both)

appleblossom
07-01-2012, 04:50 AM
Thats not necessarily true. They may have loved her deeply

like deep under the creek ?

marlywings
07-01-2012, 05:08 AM
This has made me laugh till my tummy hurt.......(.Inspector Ainsworth had in his gotcha bag............from .Marlywings post).....I wonder if Danny has one as well...and they do a show and tell every now and then.....very cute image.....hehehehehe(Bless them both)

Hehe...lol...Inspector Ainsworth played show and tell with Danny Boy but only showed & told us some of what's in his bag. I think Inspector A is still adding to it. We've not heard anymore about the hair which was sent for testing...or computer records from whoever the computers belonged to the day they were removed from NBC's house. I think there may be a lot more to come.

kailee
07-01-2012, 05:12 AM
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/29808265/baden-clay-text-messages-revealed/

0.29seconds : shows vision of the toys in the car.

the toys were in a crate and basket

kailee
07-01-2012, 05:17 AM
i mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I thought the way the Captiva was reverse parked into the carport was an (very poor) attempt to hide something that was in the rear of the vehicle. I had asked locals if they knew the normal method of parking the family cars, but as far as I know noone replied to my query.

I think it's unnatural to reverse park in to a carport, but I realise some people might like it.

kalamityk
07-01-2012, 05:23 AM
i mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I thought the way the Captiva was reverse parked into the carport was (a very poor attempt) to hide something that was in the rear of the vehicle. I had asked locals if they knew the normal method of parking the family cars, but as far as I know noone replied to my query.

I think it's unnatural to reverse park in to a carport, but I realise some people might like it.

I always reverse park in driveways we have a steep driveway and I used to have kids running down the footpath from the bus stop (they went to a school that finished earlier than mine) as I was leaving to pick mine up
Basically I did it so I wouldn't run anyone over maybe Allison did the same ... That said my OH always drives in :banghead:

mouse detective
07-01-2012, 05:24 AM
This is a screen shot of the toys - does anyone have an opinion about them. I have lots to say but would love your feedback

24167

kalamityk
07-01-2012, 05:24 AM
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/29808265/baden-clay-text-messages-revealed/

0.29seconds : shows vision of the toys in the car.

the toys were in a crate and basket

Like if they'd been picked up from the floor in the toy room or one of the bed rooms

regret
07-01-2012, 05:27 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

louisepiglet
07-01-2012, 05:39 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

Why would he be crying, as was mentioned in an earlier post. If there was no involvement by his parents, when GBC started with his alternate story in the morning, wouldn't they have realised what had happened and encourage him to admit his guilt. IMO

mumof2
07-01-2012, 05:40 AM
This is a screen shot of the toys - does anyone have an opinion about them. I have lots to say but would love your feedback

24167

looks to me like they were on their way to red cross/st vinnies

Wonder Woman
07-01-2012, 05:46 AM
Hmmm...just noticed in that second report it says...

July 01, 2012 12:00AM

Police allege he murdered his wife in the home or elsewhere and then dumped her body, which was found on the banks of Kholo Creek 11 days after she vanished.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/parents-of-accused-killer-gerard-baden-clay-empty-rented-brookfield-house/story-e6freon6-1226413239229

Thanks for raising this. I am of the view that the Prosecution is probably being strategic in their approach by not committing to the place that Allison was killed (at least until they can prove it for sure). In order for GBC to be found guilty of Murder (assuming that he does not plead guilty) the Prosecution basically needs to prove Beyond Reasonable Doubt that:

(1) GBC caused the death of ABC; and
(2) GBC intended to cause the death of ABC or intended to cause Grievous Bodily Harm to her.

So, it is not a legal element of Murder to prove where a person was killed.

Also, had the Prosecution committed to a place where she was killed, the Defence may drive a wedge through the Prosecution's case by creating doubt around the Prosecution's theory about the place where GBC killed ABC, which might potentially weaken the Prosecution's case that GBC killed ABC.
MOO :cow:

minni
07-01-2012, 05:51 AM
This is a screen shot of the toys - does anyone have an opinion about them. I have lots to say but would love your feedback

24167

I am undecided sorry Mouse D it could be the girls favourite toys, maybe they all play mummies? My two girls always had strollers, babies bottles etc. And they also had baby baths etc so that part doesn't seem weird to me. But what weird is 'where are they going?k why aren't they inside with the kids? So, unless they are in fact going to lifeline, then they are big bulky items used in a cover up IMO. My car used to have toys in it, but not in big boxes lined up neatly!!!

kalamityk
07-01-2012, 05:57 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

Maybe OW loved her but I doubt the others did particularly TM I certainly wouldn't sleep with the husband of someone I loved

Greg
07-01-2012, 05:59 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

Rubbish he didn't call to say she's gone walking......he went to bed while she watched the footy show....

minni
07-01-2012, 06:00 AM
Like if they'd been picked up from the floor in the toy room or one of the bed rooms

Yes! Like he grabbed them from there neatly organisaed places ands put them in the car for a cover up. That's exactly what it looks like. Heaps of mums compartmentalise toys to keep them in order amd tidy. Thanks Kalamityk:rocker:

minni
07-01-2012, 06:06 AM
I am hard pressed believing any of them gave a crap about anyone who wasn't a baden freaking clay....good luck with that name from now on

Greg
07-01-2012, 06:13 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

They didn't give a rats arse about her. And now that the blowtorch is being applied hopefully more of the them will be given a holiday at her majesties pleasure.

Seeking
07-01-2012, 06:34 AM
I am undecided sorry Mouse D it could be the girls favourite toys, maybe they all play mummies? My two girls always had strollers, babies bottles etc. And they also had baby baths etc so that part doesn't seem weird to me. But what weird is 'where are they going?k why aren't they inside with the kids? So, unless they are in fact going to lifeline, then they are big bulky items used in a cover up IMO. My car used to have toys in it, but not in big boxes lined up neatly!!!

I think there could be several reasons the toys were in the car aside from being planted there as a cover up of the crime. One reason is that they could have been put in the car in preparation for toys to take to the sleepover the next night that has been suggested. It looks like there were too many dolls for one sleep over though. Another possibility is that they had been used as part of a group children's activity like a playgroup or a creche for a mothers group of some sort and they either hadn't been unpacked from the car or they were often just kept there until the space was needed for other purposes. It seems like a very organized group of toys in the manner that it is packed. And yes, the other option of being packed in preparation to pass on to another like an op shop is also valid. This is just my ideas about the toys in the back of the car, and is not based on any fact. It would be interesting to know what the answer to the puzzle is and also why there was an image of them in MSM.

kalamityk
07-01-2012, 06:35 AM
They didn't give a rats arse about her. And now that the blowtorch is being applied hopefully more of the them will be given a holiday at her majesties pleasure.

So ... I'm thinking NBC and EBC not sure about OW NBC to help dispose (hate that word) EBC to clean up and babysit doesn't fit in with on other theories but I don't think they would have wanted to take the risk of girls waking and there being no one there IMO MOO ETC

LauraMars
07-01-2012, 06:46 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

Well if that's the case then NBC is withholding crucial information from the police, and was also withholding this the whole time Allison was missing, almost 2 weeks while hundreds of people searched for her.

It's disgusting that he and his <modsnip> wife won't talk, so they deserve everything they get. I am so furious about this! Who the hell do they think they are? If I saw NBC in the street I would feel like spitting on him (yes I know that's assault). I hope they throw the book at him, and the mother if she knew too.

As for OW, well she might not have known anything then, but she didn't do herself any favours with her lame attempt at "Gerard loves Allison blah blah" and her "Just let us be normal" Normal?? Are you freaking kidding me? Nothing that family has done is normal, by any stretch.

I think those people are the ones that should be looking inside for their better selves, but they'd probably be looking bloody hard, with no luck in finding it.

Blacklodge
07-01-2012, 06:50 AM
I went to the bridge today with a fresh bunch of flowers not just as a tribute for Allison's birthday but as a symbol that though she has been gone for two months, her death is not forgotten. While I was parked in the rather threadbare spot another car stopped behind mine and a few people got out. I couldn't help but wonder if they were fellow websleuths! Did anyone else go to kholo creek today?

Greg
07-01-2012, 06:50 AM
So ... I'm thinking NBC and EBC not sure about OW NBC to help dispose (hate that word) EBC to clean up and babysit doesn't fit in with on other theories but I don't think they would have wanted to take the risk of girls waking and there being no one there IMO MOO ETC

Which brings us to the eternal question about OW if she was at skull manor and all this is going down around her...people coming and going at all hours of the night.... you really think that she didnt know...or anyone else staying in the house didn't know

Not directing that at you kalamityk just throwing it out there.

bearbear
07-01-2012, 06:50 AM
This is a screen shot of the toys - does anyone have an opinion about them. I have lots to say but would love your feedback

24167

why would they even be there? they look like they are old toys not currently played with and just randomly thrown together by someone without a clue!

Timmy
07-01-2012, 06:54 AM
why would they even be there? they look like they are old toys not currently played with and just randomly thrown together by someone without a clue!

.... And ummm let's see who can we think of that 'doesn't have a clue'?

Greg
07-01-2012, 06:56 AM
Well if that's the case then NBC is withholding crucial information from the police, and was also withholding this the whole time Allison was missing, almost 2 weeks while hundreds of people searched for her.

It's disgusting that he and his stupid wife won't talk, so they deserve everything they get. I am so furious about this! Who the hell do they think they are? If I saw NBC in the street I would feel like spitting on him (yes I know that's assault). I hope they throw the book at him, and the mother if she knew too.

As for OW, well she might not have known anything then, but she didn't do herself any favours with her lame attempt at "Gerard loves Allison blah blah" and her "Just let us be normal" Normal?? Are you freaking kidding me? Nothing that family has done is normal, by any stretch.

I think those people are the ones that should be looking inside for their better selves, but they'd probably be looking bloody hard, with no luck in finding it.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

mumof2
07-01-2012, 06:57 AM
why would they even be there? they look like they are old toys not currently played with and just randomly thrown together by someone without a clue!

when i am planning to get rid of toys to vinnies i put them in the carport and it often takes me days or weeks even to actually put them in the car. maybe they were sitting there waiting to go and it triggered an idea of using them to hide something else?

grannie
07-01-2012, 06:58 AM
It's disgusting that he and his stupid wife won't talk, so they deserve everything they get. I am so furious about this! Who the hell do they think they are?

In my opinion, after what's been revealed about NBC (or according to anecdotal evidence about him), he appears to be just as narcissistic as his son. It runs in families, you know. It is known, that narcissists go for the best. So EBC may not be all that bad, otherwise NBC could not be interested. She may be oppressed or deprived of her liberties, but just by the law of genre, she can not be evil as she is a narcissistic supply. JMO.

UPD. If NBC gets arrested, which looks like a possibility, then EBC might start talking. She has to feel safe first, get that feeling of space and air around her...

grannie
07-01-2012, 07:01 AM
looks to me like they were on their way to red cross/st vinnies

Yeah, they look rather depressing.

bellgirl
07-01-2012, 07:05 AM
I went to the bridge today with a fresh bunch of flowers not just as a tribute for Allison's birthday but as a symbol that though she has been gone for two months, her death is not forgotten. While I was parked in the rather threadbare spot another car stopped behind mine and a few people got out. I couldn't help but wonder if they were fellow websleuths! Did anyone else go to kholo creek today?

I didn't have a chance Blacklodge - would have loved to have gone out though. BUT well done on making the effort and acknowledging Allison's Birthday in such a special way!

Fuskier
07-01-2012, 07:07 AM
I went to the bridge today with a fresh bunch of flowers not just as a tribute for Allison's birthday but as a symbol that though she has been gone for two months, her death is not forgotten. While I was parked in the rather threadbare spot another car stopped behind mine and a few people got out. I couldn't help but wonder if they were fellow websleuths! Did anyone else go to kholo creek today?
BLACKLODGE what a great symbol. She is not forgotten and we will continue to seek justice for her. Beautiful gesture.

ollijack
07-01-2012, 07:07 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.


Dear regret. I have to disagree with this post. But thankyou. Xxx

Berry
07-01-2012, 07:08 AM
This has made me laugh till my tummy hurt.......(.Inspector Ainsworth had in his gotcha bag............from .Marlywings post).....I wonder if Danny has one as well...and they do a show and tell every now and then.....very cute image.....hehehehehe(Bless them both)

I like mine better.....see my pic and 'call' beside it ....

linette
07-01-2012, 07:09 AM
.... And ummm let's see who can we think of that 'doesn't have a clue'?

Ummm, tough question.... I wonder who?

Berry
07-01-2012, 07:11 AM
Hehe...lol...Inspector Ainsworth played show and tell with Danny Boy but only showed & told us some of what's in his bag. I think Inspector A is still adding to it. We've not heard anymore about the hair which was sent for testing...or computer records from whoever the computers belonged to the day they were removed from NBC's house. I think there may be a lot more to come.

IMO there will be another story in them there 'puter embedded files from GBC sweetie......this is the depth of the iceberg been hiding for a while......IMO

linette
07-01-2012, 07:12 AM
Then why didn't they help in the search ? Why are they refusing to answer questions? Why did they allow their son to cuddle his mistress in their house ? I believe they love their son and his daughters and each other.

Agreed!!

bearbear
07-01-2012, 07:13 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

thats possible, a way to give himself another alibi and dragging nbc unknowingly into it, nbc was seen to be distressed at the bus stop that night, maybe he was wondering deep down what might have happened to allison and putting it all together. i think the bcs are probably in shock and have been told to stay silent and i still think the killer acted alone, possibly dragging family members into the mess. they are naturally choosing to stand by him publicly but it may be different when its just them at home, pretty devastating to have a family member accused of murder,you wouldnt want to believe it or admit you believed it.
i did read way back that the girls loved the bc family and looked forward to their weekly sleepovers there. im sure they did love them and must miss them. i will be surprised if the senior bcs or ow or tm were knowingly involved in allisons murder.

LauraMars
07-01-2012, 07:14 AM
The crates look like the the ones you'd often use to keep toys tidy and together, so maybe they were grabbed from the kids room like that in order to hide whatever mess was in the car. You wouldn't normally have that many toys in the car, especially in the boot where you'd probably put your groceries etc.

If they were already in the car, maybe Allison had decided she'd had enough and was leaving him, and had started 'packing'? If she told him this, it may be why it all happened then rather than later. A long shot I know...

itsthevibe
07-01-2012, 07:14 AM
Hehe...lol...Inspector Ainsworth played show and tell with Danny Boy but only showed & told us some of what's in his bag. I think Inspector A is still adding to it. We've not heard anymore about the hair which was sent for testing...or computer records from whoever the computers belonged to the day they were removed from NBC's house. I think there may be a lot more to come.

May be even more phone records ...

minni
07-01-2012, 07:17 AM
Blacklodge, that is a lovely gesture you made today xx

KG1
07-01-2012, 07:17 AM
This is a screen shot of the toys - does anyone have an opinion about them. I have lots to say but would love your feedback

24167

Remembering that from shortly after Allison was reported missing, GBC and his daughters were staying at the BC grandparents house, perhaps this is just taking some of the toys from home to the grandparents place. The youngest girl is only 5and she would want her dollies and their paraphenalia with her. My little granddaughter is the same age and she has all this stuff in use all the time.

Sleuthilicious
07-01-2012, 07:28 AM
My son is 2 and we travel from place to place quite frequently. I have a milk crate with various toys in the back and a scooter. These stay in my car permanently. These toys in the pic also look depressing because the pics are in black and white, also not photographed with aesthetics in mind. The dolls may also be hand me downs from the oldest sister and so would naturally be a little worn....kids have their favorites and aren't always the cleanest and cutest ;)

Agent_99
07-01-2012, 07:28 AM
thats possible, a way to give himself another alibi and dragging nbc unknowingly into it, nbc was seen to be distressed at the bus stop that night, maybe he was wondering deep down what might have happened to allison and putting it all together. i think the bcs are probably in shock and have been told to stay silent and i still think the killer acted alone, possibly dragging family members into the mess. they are naturally choosing to stand by him publicly but it may be different when its just them at home, pretty devastating to have a family member accused of murder,you wouldnt want to believe it or admit you believed it.
i did read way back that the girls loved the bc family and looked forward to their weekly sleepovers there. im sure they did love them and must miss them. i will be surprised if the senior bcs or ow or tm were knowingly involved in allisons murder.

Re. The 'alibi'....How does that then fit with the 'went to bed at 10pm & slept like a log til 6am'?

grandmama
07-01-2012, 07:36 AM
Jubillee, with respect, they may have loved her deeply, but unfortunately they have not shown it to the outside world.

1.They did not support the Dickies during the search, apart from a weak attempt from OW for A to be returned to them.
2. There was no mention of A being their loving DIL in the funeral notice.
3. Their stoney faces at the funeral appeared to show a lack of feeling.
4. Why have they NEVER said a word to the press about A to show that they did love her. They are their own worst enemies IMO.

I was informed by someone the day after the funeral that the senior BCs did not actually go into the church but stayed outside during the service. I am wondering if anyone else had heard this, or whether there is someone here who could tell us for sure that they did go in.

Greg
07-01-2012, 07:39 AM
I was informed by someone the day after the funeral that the senior BCs did not actually go into the church but stayed outside during the service. I am wondering if anyone else had heard this, or whether there is someone here who could tell us for sure that they did go in.

No that's not true grandmama they were there

mouse detective
07-01-2012, 07:47 AM
This is a screen shot of the toys - does anyone have an opinion about them. I have lots to say but would love your feedback

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Thanks for all your feedback. My view is that the positioning of these is definitely staged. I remember reading very early in the piece that QPS found something very unusual in the bask of one of the cars - this is it.

The youngest child is 5-6. In my view these are the toys a 2-3yr old might have at a sleepover. Also it is amazing that they are in the middle of the boot and yet they remain upright. It is highly unlikely they have been driven anywhere in that car. As MUMOF2 and BEARBEAR state - look like a few toys from the carport put there by someone who doesn't have a clue!!

Yes they may have been placed there that night with the plan to take to to a creche or Vinnies - but remember this was GBC's car and would he be doing that? The fact blood has been found there if I were a jury member on this case, I would be very suss about them being there like that - too co-incidental. I would want to know when they were put there. Before the car spotted driving around the Kenmore roundabout or after ......now what time of night was that again????

Thinking
07-01-2012, 07:48 AM
I went to the bridge today with a fresh bunch of flowers not just as a tribute for Allison's birthday but as a symbol that though she has been gone for two months, her death is not forgotten. While I was parked in the rather threadbare spot another car stopped behind mine and a few people got out. I couldn't help but wonder if they were fellow websleuths! Did anyone else go to kholo creek today?

Blacklodge I drove over the bridge this afternoon and the flowers all looked beautiful. I didn't stop though so it wasn't me :)

itsthevibe
07-01-2012, 07:53 AM
I am undecided sorry Mouse D it could be the girls favourite toys, maybe they all play mummies? My two girls always had strollers, babies bottles etc. And they also had baby baths etc so that part doesn't seem weird to me. But what weird is 'where are they going?k why aren't they inside with the kids? So, unless they are in fact going to lifeline, then they are big bulky items used in a cover up IMO. My car used to have toys in it, but not in big boxes lined up neatly!!!

Yes, i agree. Looks to me like they were straight out of the girls rooms - not really the toys for the car to keep them occupied, or for taking to friends for a sleepover. Way too many there IMO

Thinking
07-01-2012, 07:56 AM
thats possible, a way to give himself another alibi and dragging nbc unknowingly into it, nbc was seen to be distressed at the bus stop that night, maybe he was wondering deep down what might have happened to allison and putting it all together. i think the bcs are probably in shock and have been told to stay silent and i still think the killer acted alone, possibly dragging family members into the mess. they are naturally choosing to stand by him publicly but it may be different when its just them at home, pretty devastating to have a family member accused of murder,you wouldnt want to believe it or admit you believed it.
i did read way back that the girls loved the bc family and looked forward to their weekly sleepovers there. im sure they did love them and must miss them. i will be surprised if the senior bcs or ow or tm were knowingly involved in allisons murder.

From memory the story went that NBC acted "oddly" at the bus stop (which to me sounded as though he was probably freaking out that someone he knew saw him). I'm not sure where the "looking distressed" part came from - I wonder if squizzey or biker chick could verify (bearing in mind this was a rumour not a reported fact)?

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 08:06 AM
Those toys neatly aligned have been placed in the car after the car was last driven, otherwise the crates would have moved back-forward-side-to-side once you turn one corner or roundabout (unless police aligned them for the photo, but I don't think they would do that). IMO.

mouse detective
07-01-2012, 08:12 AM
Those toys neatly aligned have been placed in the car after the car was last driven, otherwise the crates would have moved back-forward-side-to-side once you turn one corner or roundabout (unless police aligned them for the photo, but I don't think they would do that). IMO.

No way would the police have aligned them - this is exactly as they would have found them!! JMO

mouse detective
07-01-2012, 08:16 AM
Just found this post from Bobby Elliott dated May 1st - Definitely someone with inside knowledge!!


Bobbie Elliott 05-01-2012 06:38 PM
There was something found in the rear of one of their 4WDs.

After the crash he was admitted to the psych ward by the police overnight.

They had been attending counselling since the affair ended last year and part of this was they had to discuss events with each other each night.

QUOTE]


Very very interesting indeed.

What of interest did they (presumably the police) find in the 4WD?????!!!
The psych ward?????????? What on earth for???? To me, the car "accident" looked more like a "deliberate" than an accident. It is a commonly held misconception that many people get off serious crimes by using an insanity defense. It doesn't help that Matthew Newton has been cut enormous flack because of his "bipolar". Allison was killed by a person who is bad - not mad.

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 08:16 AM
If the Captiva was in fact the vehicle used to transport the body, IMO it was reversed into the carport in order to do the clean-up of the back area away from street view.

itsthevibe
07-01-2012, 08:22 AM
NBC was at the bus stop because G had called to say...."She's gone walking....she hasn't come home" and either " Can you go look for her" or he decided to walk the streets to find her and then to head her off at the roundabout. There was one single post by a newbie a few threads ago - no members here responded or even nibbled and I watched it sink away. The poster said that the ph call (face call) was also a ruse by GBC....he even fooled his father in utter desperation - he wasn't selective about 'who' was 'in' on his actions ( nor was he able to be.....in too deep). All just MOO. I do not think that NBG is involved....nor EBC....nor OW....nor TM...please - they loved her. Please look inside for your better selves. JMO IMO MOO They loved her - still love her.

This does sound feasible, that GBC might have attempted to carry on the ruse with his Dad as well. But if that's what happened, then at some later point during the night I believe things changed. Both of them would have used that info as further corroboration of G's story, saying he and his Dad looked for Allison during the night. But it appears they remained silent. Just doesn't add up.

If GBC was the murderer, he might not have wanted to involve his Dad initially, but soon realised he needed help for either the disposal of the body or the cleanup.

bellgirl
07-01-2012, 08:23 AM
If the Captiva was in fact the vehicle used to transport the body, IMO it was reversed into the carport in order to do the clean-up of the back area away from street view.

SUPER thinking! :woohoo:

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 08:29 AM
I know we have had local confirmation that someone saw NBC at the bus stop, but I am still not convinced this is the case. From memory, he was allegedly seen there at around 11:00pm/12:00am. If this is the case, why the FaceTime call to seniors house at 12:30 or so? It just doesn't add up IMO.

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 08:51 AM
Thinking about why someone would use FaceTime instead of a normal phone call - perhaps the perp thought that because FaceTime works through wi-fi only, it would not be traceable as a 3G call is?

LauraMars
07-01-2012, 09:01 AM
Thinking about why someone would use FaceTime instead of a normal phone call - perhaps the perp thought that because FaceTime works through wi-fi only, it would not be traceable as a 3G call is?

I reckon he thought it might not be traceable that way CaseClosed.

"The affidavit details how police discovered evidence of the alleged 1min 23sec call after retrieving information from Baden-Clay's iPhone using a Cellebrite Universal Forensic Examination Device.

That evidence showed that the phone had been used to make the FaceTime call that night. FaceTime allows users to see each other while talking and calls are not listed in conventional phone records, Sgt Roddick said."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/gerard-baden-clays-parents-refused-to-give-interviews-during-effort-to-death-of-allison-baden-clay-court-documents-claim/story-e6frea8c-1226413294650

Even
07-01-2012, 09:07 AM
Forgetting about all this right to remain silent & lawyering up etc just for a sec...in my opinion, if a decent, honest human being is completely innocent & has nothing to hide, they sit down with police & tell them everything they know or are aware of. To not do this it is instantly showing you are hiding something from police & you are being dishonest.

Now, it seems GBC has made that video call to NBC's phone...he obviously wasn't calling Santa Claus as the call can only be to whoever was in that house that night at the time detected......either NBC, EBC, or even OW & her pastor husband if they were staying there at the time.

I hope police arrest the whole damn lot of them...this would make the five Paul Tully mentioned on his blog weeks back....

"""There is even a suggestion in legal circles that up to 5 people may be under investigation over the murder, including accessories after the fact"""

http://paulgtully.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/how-long-more-till-police-pounce-on.html

I thought exactly as you before having a session with the police where I was a suspect. It is not a nice little discussion where you sit down and calmly tell them your story without interruption. It is a to and throw with one or two PCs who from the get go, look to unsettle you, will claim inference from nothing, pull you back when in the middle of making a point, to ask about an earlier point, any subtle differences in what you say are made into a big issue. e.g. "last time you said your girl friend left at 9:45am but now you saying just before 10." It seems as if you are unsure what time she left. I can tell you by the time 2 hours have passed you're not 100% sure of anything.

If you want to "tell" your story and get across all the information you want to get across then IMO, you do this via a lawyer, and issue a detailed statement.

The issue I have with GBC and NBC is not that they lawyer up, but that they do not subsequently issue the questions the police have asked, in a detailed statement via their lawyer.

Even
07-01-2012, 09:15 AM
...Maybe he has some of that tape duct duck tape or whatever it is called. And my theory is she got in bed and he did the cuddle up to get closer then he sat on her chest gagged her mouth but he had not thought about the hands grabbing at him and he then did his damage...


Given how hard I find it to remove adhesive from skin when doing DIY I'm sure if he duct taped her mouth the autopsy would show remains of glue ?

minni
07-01-2012, 09:16 AM
CC, it doesn't gel does it? It would mean eveerything happened earlier in the evening,and I think it would definately have to implicate other family members. Someone to come get NBC after he's been getting his hands dirty, so to speak. And someone to have dropped him there. OW , EBC or TM would def have to have involvement. Maybe the 'five involved ' is more than a rumour?

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 09:19 AM
My latest assumptions are:

ABC arrived home after hairdressers and they all had dinner. Kids went to bed somewhere between 7:30-9:00 pm. Discussions about affair, next day's conference attended by TM, even maybe divorce, escalate into loud argument at around 10:00-10:30 pm (Footy Show is playing in the background). Maybe the TV volume is loud enough to disguise the argument. ABC subsequently storms off to bed. The perp plans his next move and sizes an opportunity to strangle or suffocate (no noise) her around 11:30-12:00 pm while she sleeps. She manages to scratch his chest, face and the palms of his hands trying to release his grip. Perp panics and contacts someone at seniors house (most probably father), using FaceTime (wi-fi internet) thinking it would not be traceable by authorities. He + someone else (woman) come over. ABC is dressed, probably with the help of a woman, into walking gear. Woman stays home in case the girls wake up. Captiva with body in the back drives off, with Prado trailing behind with dimmed lights due to earlier front end damage. Both dispose of body under the bridge (caterpillars bite the perp whilst walking through bushes) then return home to do the necessary staging and get the story straight for early morning call to police. Others go home. All is just speculation.

KG1
07-01-2012, 09:20 AM
I know we have had local confirmation that someone saw NBC at the bus stop, but I am still not convinced this is the case. From memory, he was allegedly seen there at around 11:00pm/12:00am. If this is the case, why the FaceTime call to seniors house at 12:30 or so? It just doesn't add up IMO.

Has it been said that the call was to NBC at his house? I understood that it was reported that a Face Time call was from GBC's phone to NBCs phone. If it was known where the phones were then I think QPS would be half way there. JMO

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 09:23 AM
I thought exactly as you before having a session with the police where I was a suspect. It is not a nice little discussion where you sit down and calmly tell them your story without interruption. It is a to and throw with one or two PCs who from the get go, look to unsettle you, will claim inference from nothing, pull you back when in the middle of making a point, to ask about an earlier point, any subtle differences in what you say are made into a big issue. e.g. "last time you said your girl friend left at 9:45am but now you saying just before 10." It seems as if you are unsure what time she left. I can tell you by the time 2 hours have passed you're not 100% sure of anything.

If you want to "tell" your story and get across all the information you want to get across then IMO, you do this via a lawyer, and issue a detailed statement.

The issue I have with GBC and NBC is not that they lawyer up, but that they do not subsequently issue the questions the police have asked, in a detailed statement via their lawyer.

I agree. I would lawyer up immediately if I had the slightest inkling that police were treating me as a suspect and I would fully co-operate with them through my lawyer.

minni
07-01-2012, 09:25 AM
And so that call realistically could had been to any of them from any of them, who knows?for all we know, Olivia could have been at the house with the phone, and used it to ring EBC and tell her to pick up NBC? Or after the deed, GBC could have realised they forgot something, and called nbc back, hence the timeframe of up till 4.30 that morningand they had to go back to roundabout or just =bc went back , maybe left blankets in bins ?
Sorry I just woke up and had a look on here, saw Casecloseds post, and now I'm rambling on my tiny keypad!! Back to bed for me !

CaseClosed
07-01-2012, 09:25 AM
CC, it doesn't gel does it? It would mean eveerything happened earlier in the evening,and I think it would definately have to implicate other family members. Someone to come get NBC after he's been getting his hands dirty, so to speak. And someone to have dropped him there. OW , EBC or TM would def have to have involvement. Maybe the 'five involved ' is more than a rumour?

I don't think TM is involved. I see 3 only ... 2 men and 1 woman (but I'm not sure which woman). IMO.

brookster
07-01-2012, 09:28 AM
Those toys neatly aligned have been placed in the car after the car was last driven, otherwise the crates would have moved back-forward-side-to-side once you turn one corner or roundabout (unless police aligned them for the photo, but I don't think they would do that). IMO.

As I have confirmed, and has been confirmed in MSM subsequently(sorry no link for that now), the Captiva was mostly driven by Allison. This would most probably have been the car she drove to the hairdresser and back that night.

This would mean that more than likely those toys were placed in the car AFTER she returned home on Thursday night from hairdresser, just by the looks of how neatly they were stacked. After a drive to/from Kenmore, they wouldn't have looked this way.
SO

Either: Allison herself put the toys in the car, after she got back from hairdressers, ready to take to her friend the next day - as friend reported in msm (perhaps this was what Allison was going to be dropping off?) Her friend would have confirmed this and QPS would be aware of the reason for these being in the back of the car.

IF the car was used to carry Allison's body, the murderer could have removed the toys, moved the body, and replaced the toys neatly to make it look like everything was left untouched.

OR

They were placed by GBC to cover up the evidence. Somehow these look too structured and not close enough to the edges to actually cover up the sides where the stains were seen. If it was a cover up I would have expected soft toys out of boxes, up against and covering up the sides where the main stains were.

My feeling is that Allison was going to be taking these toys to her friend the next day, perhaps for a child/ren of a specific age, since the toys were limited to an agegroup/type. She took them out to her car in preparation for the next day, AFTER she returned from the hairdressers. They might then have been removed in order for her to be taken away :(, and then replaced VERY neatly and TOO precisely afterwards, by murderer.