TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #34 [Archive]

wfgodot

05-07-2012, 04:20 PM

Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

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imamaze

07-16-2012, 10:58 AM

Please continue here...

wfgodot

07-16-2012, 04:38 PM

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goldiegirl

07-17-2012, 02:34 AM

Is anyone else following the Mickey Shunick case here on WS? Something interesting is being discussed over there that gave me chills when I thought of Holly. The perp in the MS case is known wear military fatigues. All the time. Could he be our camo man?

SmoothOperator

07-17-2012, 03:01 AM

What happened to thread 33?.can't access it.. it says moved? ..TiA:)

~n/t~

07-17-2012, 05:44 AM

What happened to thread 33?.can't access it.. it says moved? ..TiA:)

Hi smooth, it can still be accessed. It was moved to the Holly Bobo General Discussion forum where all the other closed threads are.

TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #33 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

~n/t~

07-17-2012, 05:46 AM

Is anyone else following the Mickey Shunick case here on WS? Something interesting is being discussed over there that gave me chills when I thought of Holly. The perp in the MS case is known wear military fatigues. All the time. Could he be our camo man?

IMO, Clint would know the difference between military and hunting apparel considering he is a hunter himself. :moo:

believe09

07-17-2012, 07:38 AM

Do we have copies of Clint's statements to law enforcement, or media reports? TIA.

imamaze

07-17-2012, 08:31 AM

What happened to thread 33?.can't access it.. it says moved? ..TiA:)

Its only been moved to her General Discussion area. You should still be able to access all of them.

Ima

imamaze

07-17-2012, 08:38 AM

Well... here's the way its going to be...

We are NOT going to discuss Clint or the family as suspects. We are not going to bash this family. They will not be discussed as POI's or suspects.

You can discuss what they say and what they've said but you are not going to speculate on why its different in your opinion or why they even said it this way one time and that way another.

Last warning, you all know what can and can't be discussed here. You all know what's meant by 'we are a victim friendly site' you all know who that is. Rumors will not be allowed!

If needed time outs will be given.

Ima

Carla Lashelle

07-17-2012, 08:15 PM

the type of camo was discussed in depth wayyy back and I recall it was not military camo

The problem with this case is EVERYTHING and EVERYONE has been discussed to death. There has been nothing much new or insightful in many, many, months. The focus just goes back over things that were hashed out last year. It really is back to square one. You can only look at the same few breadcrumbs and come up with so many options.

Carla Lashelle

07-17-2012, 08:18 PM

Do we have copies of Clint's statements to law enforcement, or media reports? TIA.

no we just have contradictory third, fifth and tenth hand accounts attributed to Clint's original statements to LE. Things he has said on TV have contradicted these so called "official" statements. Pretty much everything is, at this point, convoluted. For example, the "dragged", "led", "in fear of her life" statememnts put out by the media and even law enforcement. Remember that sheriff guy that said he felt Holly was "in fear for her life" ? Then, in a TV interview Clint said no she wasn't being led, didn't seem to be in fear of her life, or anything... that she was just casually walking...

dejavoodoo64

07-17-2012, 09:29 PM

Oh Yeah it's a complete mess right now. Absolutely nothing, except where the lunch box was found and what she was wearing, is known for sure. Everything else has been kept quiet or has had confusing reports issued. We've heard different stories about the blood and how much and where it was located. Never knew if her cell phone was actually found and why Karen was relieved that day. No confirmation on papers, clothes or books found in the woods. Just nothing. It's no wonder we turn to speculation AAaaannd then there's Clint stories and wondering which one is actually true. Carla mentioned the just casually strolling into the woods like she was just on a nature walk or something. I can't believe it. Theres blood found, Holly is suppose to be elsewhere for something really important to her and she's just a strolling along, not in fear of her life like we think she would be. I don't get it and probably never will. JMO-I hope this isn't considered sleuthing a family member since we really don't know what he said for certain. I ain't saying why I think the stories changed because I believe it would be seen as speculation, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about it.

SmoothOperator

07-18-2012, 12:54 AM

Finally found some msm to back up the searches that I knew were happening in Decatur co all weekend and today as well.. CUE is heading them up.. the whole family was there.. Karen was doing all paperwork necessary.. Dana providing all water for all the searchers. .Clint and Whitney Duncan thoroughly seaarching all day everyday.. the family were the first there everyday and the last to leave.. they are very open about what happened that day and want the entire truth out there.. they believe its way past time for the truth to be out there.. they feel that keeping all the detail hidden and secret is doing nothing but helping the perps and that getting the truth out will only help Holly.. they're not gonna stop until Holly is found.. and IMO that dedication will be what results in her being found.. jmo.

Here's link discussing the searches that have been taking place. http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7505525&autostart=true

~n/t~

07-18-2012, 06:42 AM

Finally found some msm to back up the searches that I knew were happening in Decatur co all weekend and today as well.. CUE is heading them up.. the whole family was there.. Karen was doing all paperwork necessary.. Dana providing all water for all the searchers. .Clint and Whitney Duncan thoroughly seaarching all day everyday.. the family were the first there everyday and the last to leave.. they are very open about what happened that day and want the entire truth out there.. they believe its way past time for the truth to be out there.. they feel that keeping all the detail hidden and secret is doing nothing but helping the perps and that getting the truth out will only help Holly.. they're not gonna stop until Holly is found.. and IMO that dedication will be what results in her being found.. jmo.

Here's link discussing the searches that have been taking place. http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7505525&autostart=true

Thanks for the link smooth. Where are you getting that other information regarding the family? I didn't hear any of what you posted in the video. The video linked talks about the search and the 3 other roads that hadn't been searched yet, the bad weather and the dogs ability to pick up scent when the area is wet, etc.

Is there another video or article? TIA

Karen Anne RN

07-18-2012, 07:37 AM

Finally found some msm to back up the searches that I knew were happening in Decatur co all weekend and today as well.. CUE is heading them up.. the whole family was there.. Karen was doing all paperwork necessary.. Dana providing all water for all the searchers. .Clint and Whitney Duncan thoroughly seaarching all day everyday.. the family were the first there everyday and the last to leave.. they are very open about what happened that day and want the entire truth out there.. they believe its way past time for the truth to be out there.. they feel that keeping all the detail hidden and secret is doing nothing but helping the perps and that getting the truth out will only help Holly.. they're not gonna stop until Holly is found.. and IMO that dedication will be what results in her being found.. jmo.

Here's link discussing the searches that have been taking place. http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7505525&autostart=true

Did you hear where Monica said that they are going to continue to try to get out here monthly ?

She is my hero.

~n/t~

07-18-2012, 07:45 AM

Did you hear where Monica said that they are going to continue to try to get out here monthly ?

She is my hero.

I agree. She's awesome!! You know, I would want nothing more than CUE getting that reward money when Holly is found. I know she's not doing it for the reward but Monica and her team deserve it!

I think these professional SAR teams are angels on earth! :rose:

dejavoodoo64

07-18-2012, 09:00 AM

Finally found some msm to back up the searches that I knew were happening in Decatur co all weekend and today as well.. CUE is heading them up.. the whole family was there.. Karen was doing all paperwork necessary.. Dana providing all water for all the searchers. .Clint and Whitney Duncan thoroughly seaarching all day everyday.. the family were the first there everyday and the last to leave.. they are very open about what happened that day and want the entire truth out there.. they believe its way past time for the truth to be out there.. they feel that keeping all the detail hidden and secret is doing nothing but helping the perps and that getting the truth out will only help Holly.. they're not gonna stop until Holly is found.. and IMO that dedication will be what results in her being found.. jmo.

Here's link discussing the searches that have been taking place. http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7505525&autostart=true

Well I hope they are, but what are they saying actually happened? I haven't heard it yet.

/To be clear in my previous post with regard to Clints changing stories. What I believe is not something that implicates Clint in any way. Just a reason the story has changed.

Carla Lashelle

07-18-2012, 09:46 AM

A big problem with the "story" is that it has, as far as I know, not been told, uninterrupted, without leading questions, without distractions, without commercial breaks, without editing or prompting, from start to finish, in the witnesses own words and with any kind of detail. All of the interviews mostly result in the "and then you saw what?" kind of questions and cropped answers. If the time line here is about half an hour, it should take about half an hour to go minute by minute, from start to finish. Instead we have had to extrapolate "one" version of events from an assortment of first, second and third hand reports gathered in over a years worth of interviews and statements.

Whisperer

07-19-2012, 03:37 AM

Finally found some msm to back up the searches that I knew were happening in Decatur co all weekend and today as well.. CUE is heading them up.. the whole family was there.. Karen was doing all paperwork necessary.. Dana providing all water for all the searchers. .Clint and Whitney Duncan thoroughly seaarching all day everyday.. the family were the first there everyday and the last to leave.. they are very open about what happened that day and want the entire truth out there.. they believe its way past time for the truth to be out there.. they feel that keeping all the detail hidden and secret is doing nothing but helping the perps and that getting the truth out will only help Holly.. they're not gonna stop until Holly is found.. and IMO that dedication will be what results in her being found.. jmo.

Here's link discussing the searches that have been taking place. http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7505525&autostart=true

Thanks, Smooth.

okiedokie...glad to hear it. Have they scheduled a time and place to get all the information out there? I am sure any MSM station would take this STAT!

I can't wait to hear a full uninterrupted version of exactly what transpired. I also would like to hear the 911 tapes..while they're at it.
....:waiting:

concentric

07-19-2012, 03:52 PM

Possible link between the Bobo and Shunick cases? Holly attended a camp in MISSISSIPPI. Did the perp. see Holly when she was in Mississippi?

I had asked on 4-26-2011, Thread #16, pg. 14, post #320, if Holly had attended any camps. Miziree posted below after that, then after that I quoted Miziree, and my post is below the line 4-26-2011, pg. 14, Thread #16, post #338:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miziree
This was posted today:
http://www.tnbaptist.org/BRPrint.asp?ID=3804

Bobo, an active member of Corinth Baptist and a Christian from an early age, sings solos at the church. In fact, she was scheduled to sing April 17 at Corinth. She and her family have been members of the church for six years.

Through Corinth Baptist Bobo participated in Super Summer, a Tennessee Baptist Convention camp for teens, and a church missions trip to Mississippi to help people with special needs enjoy a camp.

also:
Bobo “grew up in our youth group,” said Franks. She planned to use her nursing skills on the church’s frequent trips to Belize.

______________________
This seems to be the answer to the question I asked right before you posted.

My question was:

I'm wondering if Holly went to any church sponsored young person's retreats? And, if so, were these retreats composed of young people from different southern states? We know she was in the choir at her church and sang there, right?

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Carla Lashelle

07-19-2012, 08:15 PM

They did say that the suspect in Shunick's murder was found with a bunch of other women's id cards, licenses etc. and they suspect him in other crimes. And he has been indicted in the murder of Lisa Pate in 1999.

http://www.kplctv.com/story/19069692/lavergnes-indictment-for-pate-murder

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/investigators-look-to-more-cold-cases-for-connections-to-accused-louisiana-murderer

I also hold out the possibility in Holly's case that if no progress is made in Darden, with the infrequent searches and what little evidence has been found to date that, perhaps, the suspect will have 1) committed another prior crime that has a better chance of being solved and would lead to more info about Holly or 2) will commit another crime in the future and get caught.

Something along the lines of the the Amber Duboise and Chelsea King murders. In those cases, Duboise vanished first and it was not until John Gardner was caught and charged with the murder of Chelsea King that he confessed to the Duboise killing and lead law enforcement to her body in a deal to escape the death penalty.

Karen Anne RN

07-20-2012, 12:13 AM

** HOLLY BOBO new search announced.

A new search and rescue team is asking for volunteers for July 28-29. You must be 18 or older with a photo ID. You must PREREGISTER on the link below to be allowed to search. If you aren't registered, you can't search. The reason for this is, it saves alot of time doing paperwork at the search site that we could be searching. Please register and help if you can.

So far we have 15 people signed up for the July 28th and 29th Search other than our own personnel. We are looking for roughly 200.

We will be meeting at 7am and searching until 1pm both days. Those who sign up will be notified of where we are meeting a few days before the search.

You can preregister at http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. Please pre-register so we can have a good idea of how many people we have and we can set the teams and team leaders prior to arriving.

https://www.facebook.com/southeastk9

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goldiegirl

07-20-2012, 02:04 AM

** HOLLY BOBO new search announced.

A new search and rescue team is asking for volunteers for July 28-29. You must be 18 or older with a photo ID. You must PREREGISTER on the link below to be allowed to search. If you aren't registered, you can't search. The reason for this is, it saves alot of time doing paperwork at the search site that we could be searching. Please register and help if you can.

So far we have 15 people signed up for the July 28th and 29th Search other than our own personnel. We are looking for roughly 200.

We will be meeting at 7am and searching until 1pm both days. Those who sign up will be notified of where we are meeting a few days before the search.

You can preregister at http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. Please pre-register so we can have a good idea of how many people we have and we can set the teams and team leaders prior to arriving.

https://www.facebook.com/southeastk9

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Aww, I wish I lived closer! I would definitely help out. It's so frustrating to live far away and feel helpless in these cases.

goldiegirl

07-20-2012, 02:06 AM

They did say that the suspect in Shunick's murder was found with a bunch of other women's id cards, licenses etc. and they suspect him in other crimes. And he has been indicted in the murder of Lisa Pate in 1999.

http://www.kplctv.com/story/19069692/lavergnes-indictment-for-pate-murder

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/investigators-look-to-more-cold-cases-for-connections-to-accused-louisiana-murderer

I also hold out the possibility in Holly's case that if no progress is made in Darden, with the infrequent searches and what little evidence has been found to date that, perhaps, the suspect will have 1) committed another prior crime that has a better chance of being solved and would lead to more info about Holly or 2) will commit another crime in the future and get caught.

Something along the lines of the the Amber Duboise and Chelsea King murders. In those cases, Duboise vanished first and it was not until John Gardner was caught and charged with the murder of Chelsea King that he confessed to the Duboise killing and lead law enforcement to her body in a deal to escape the death penalty.

Yes, I agree. I know we discussed the turkey camo at length early on, but that still doesn't keep me from wondering if there is a possible connection with BSL and the "military fatigues" he was seen wearing often. Especially because he supposedly wore both his first and last name on his uniform, so it wasn't even a real military uniform. Who knows what type of camo it was.

Carla Lashelle

07-20-2012, 08:40 AM

Yes, I agree. I know we discussed the turkey camo at length early on, but that still doesn't keep me from wondering if there is a possible connection with BSL and the "military fatigues" he was seen wearing often. Especially because he supposedly wore both his first and last name on his uniform, so it wasn't even a real military uniform. Who knows what type of camo it was.

Consensus was IIRC at the time there is enough differences between hunting camo, specific turkey camo, and military camo that if it were a military uniform it would have been described as such, rather than being specifically identified as turkey camo or an outfit you would wear for turkey hunting.

As I noted and others did as well, so many people wear camo all the time anyway that in itself is not a super helpful clue. It's not like the suspect was seen wearing a neon orange wet suit with flippers. Some of my yard men wear head to toe camo even in the middle of summer including hats, masks and gloves.

Oriah

07-20-2012, 10:36 AM

You go, Bear!! Gibson, Bakers, Gooch and Gibson need to be fully cleared.

dejavoodoo64

07-20-2012, 11:49 AM

You go, Bear!! Gibson, Bakers, Gooch and Gibson need to be fully cleared.

:confused:Wut?

Oriah

07-20-2012, 12:25 PM

Bear is a dog.
Gibson, Bakers, Gooch and Gibson are roads that need to be completely cleared.

dejavoodoo64

07-20-2012, 01:53 PM

Bear is a dog.
Gibson, Bakers, Gooch and Gibson are roads that need to be completely cleared.

Ah ok. Thank you.

goldiegirl

07-21-2012, 02:47 AM

Consensus was IIRC at the time there is enough differences between hunting camo, specific turkey camo, and military camo that if it were a military uniform it would have been described as such, rather than being specifically identified as turkey camo or an outfit you would wear for turkey hunting.

As I noted and others did as well, so many people wear camo all the time anyway that in itself is not a super helpful clue. It's not like the suspect was seen wearing a neon orange wet suit with flippers. Some of my yard men wear head to toe camo even in the middle of summer including hats, masks and gloves.

No, of course the camo alone doesn't mean much. It's the totality of everything we know about BSL. I wouldn't just consider some random person who wore camo as possibly being involved. It's that he's already charged as a serial killer in an area that's not too far away.

ETA: And my point about not knowing what type of camo it was is that, since his nametag wasn't even correct for a military uniform, maybe he (BSL) wasn't actually wearing military fatigues after all and it was some other type of camo, like turkey camo. The person who spotted him may not know the difference.

goldiegirl

07-21-2012, 03:02 AM

** HOLLY BOBO new search announced.

A new search and rescue team is asking for volunteers for July 28-29. You must be 18 or older with a photo ID. You must PREREGISTER on the link below to be allowed to search. If you aren't registered, you can't search. The reason for this is, it saves alot of time doing paperwork at the search site that we could be searching. Please register and help if you can.

So far we have 15 people signed up for the July 28th and 29th Search other than our own personnel. We are looking for roughly 200.

We will be meeting at 7am and searching until 1pm both days. Those who sign up will be notified of where we are meeting a few days before the search.

You can preregister at http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. Please pre-register so we can have a good idea of how many people we have and we can set the teams and team leaders prior to arriving.

https://www.facebook.com/southeastk9

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Should we not preregister unless we are 100% sure we will be there?

What's the closest airport if a person wanted to fly in?

Plumeria5

07-21-2012, 06:25 PM

Should we not preregister unless we are 100% sure we will be there?

What's the closest airport if a person wanted to fly in?

Goldiegirl, looks like Nashville would be the closest. It is sad that Holly's thread has dwindled down to just a few posts.

wfgodot

07-21-2012, 06:51 PM

Days Holly has been missing: 465
Days since last TBI press release: 460

Karen Anne RN

07-21-2012, 11:57 PM

Should we not preregister unless we are 100% sure we will be there?

What's the closest airport if a person wanted to fly in?

I have messaged the SAR group with your questions, and will let you know what they say.

Karen Anne RN

07-22-2012, 12:11 AM

Should we not preregister unless we are 100% sure we will be there?

What's the closest airport if a person wanted to fly in?

The Beech River Regional Airport is located in Darden, Tennessee.

Beech River
Regional Airport
160 Mount Ararat Rd.
Darden, TN 38328

Phone: (731) 845-5740
Email:brrap@netease.net

http://beechriverregionalairport.com/default.htm

Oriah

07-22-2012, 09:16 AM

Beech River is a great little airport, but pretty much handles business and personal planes only. Commercially, I think Jackson or Nashville are closer.

Nancy1954

07-23-2012, 01:08 AM

Hello, I am new to the Holly Bobo discussion threads..but I have been playing 'catch-up'. I thought I'd throw out some thoughts of my own here. When I first read about this case over a year ago I read that Holly's brother Clint was taking a shower..that might explain why he didn't hear anything. As far as Holly's scream(s)..I just know that I would scream/be screaming if someone hurt(stabbed?)me..or scared the heck out of me by surprising me. The blood tested as being hers so we know the perp did SOMETHING to her..I suggest a knife because noone heard a gunshot/gunshots. The golden retriever(the outside dog?)..this breed of dog is gentle and friendly..not a real good watchdog..if he was kept outside why didn't anyone mention HIM barking when Holly screamed? Something else..why wouldn't the perp want to "take the dog out" to assure that it wouldn't/couldn't bark? Lastly..if the perp walked from the same direction he returned to with Holly, wouldn't you think he would have taken a look inside the window of that enclosed garage where Clint's car was that morning? I truly believe it was someone who knew the area well enough to get Holly out of there before being detected. Someone local who chose turkey-hunting season as an opportune time to do a different kind of hunting. I think he was already in the garage bent down in wait for Holly. Just my opinion and thoughts here.

cluciano63

07-23-2012, 01:33 AM

Hello, I am new to the Holly Bobo discussion threads..but I have been playing 'catch-up'. I thought I'd throw out some thoughts of my own here. When I first read about this case over a year ago I read that Holly's brother Clint was taking a shower..that might explain why he didn't hear anything. As far as Holly's scream(s)..I just know that I would scream/be screaming if someone hurt(stabbed?)me..or scared the heck out of me by surprising me. The blood tested as being hers so we know the perp did SOMETHING to her..I suggest a knife because noone heard a gunshot/gunshots. The golden retriever(the outside dog?)..this breed of dog is gentle and friendly..not a real good watchdog..if he was kept outside why didn't anyone mention HIM barking when Holly screamed? Something else..why wouldn't the perp want to "take the dog out" to assure that it wouldn't/couldn't bark? Lastly..if the perp walked from the same direction he returned to with Holly, wouldn't you think he would have taken a look inside the window of that enclosed garage where Clint's car was that morning? I truly believe it was someone who knew the area well enough to get Holly out of there before being detected. Someone local who chose turkey-hunting season as an opportune time to do a different kind of hunting. I think he was already in the garage bent down in wait for Holly. Just my opinion and thoughts here.

Hi, welcome to this muddled case...

I wonder if the dog knew the person who took Holly...and if she did not struggle, just let out one scream, the dog may not have known she was in danger.

I get a feeling this is someone Holly knew on some level and maybe the man had come around and "made friends" with the dog when no one was home-I think I read at one point that the big dog was an "outdoor" dog. So maybe the dog recognized him.

As far as Clint being in the shower, not sure if that is rumor or fact.

Carla Lashelle

07-23-2012, 01:08 PM

Hello, I am new to the Holly Bobo discussion threads..but I have been playing 'catch-up'. I thought I'd throw out some thoughts of my own here. When I first read about this case over a year ago I read that Holly's brother Clint was taking a shower..that might explain why he didn't hear anything. Karen said Clint was asleep with the door closed and did not hear the screams. As far as Holly's scream(s)..I just know that I would scream/be screaming if someone hurt(stabbed?)me..or scared the heck out of me by surprising me. The blood tested as being hers so we know the perp did SOMETHING to her..I suggest a knife because noone heard a gunshot/gunshots. The blood was described as being a small amount. It could be from a busted lip, broken nose, torn ear ring, etc. The golden retriever(the outside dog?)..this breed of dog is gentle and friendly..not a real good watchdog..if he was kept outside why didn't anyone mention HIM barking when Holly screamed? Something else..why wouldn't the perp want to "take the dog out" to assure that it wouldn't/couldn't bark? Very little has actually been said about any dogs being inside or outside. Some versions of the story imply that the dog barking inside is what woke Clint up. Lastly..if the perp walked from the same direction he returned to with Holly, wouldn't you think he would have taken a look inside the window of that enclosed garage where Clint's car was that morning? There is no enclosed garage. The cars are parked in an open air car port behind the house. It has a roof and some sort of side wall(s) but is not enclosed or closed off. We don't know exactly how Clint looked out but it seems that he did so through a door. I truly believe it was someone who knew the area well enough to get Holly out of there before being detected. Someone local who chose turkey-hunting season as an opportune time to do a different kind of hunting. I think he was already in the garage bent down in wait for Holly. We don't know where the suspect was initially just that blood was found at the back of the garage/car port seeminly by Holly's car. Clint heard the suspect and Holly (?) talking in the yard BEFORE he saw them kneeling in the garage area. So something had been going on before he woke up. Just my opinion and thoughts here.

my comments in red

Nancy1954

07-23-2012, 03:11 PM

I apologize for not explaining myself better..I either heard on tv or read somewhere in the beginning of this case that Holly's brother Clint was taking a shower around that time that morning..I wish I could remember the source. I'm not trying to throw incorrect information out there so I will leave it at that. Again..from the aerial photos that I've seen on here..it looks like(to me)that Clint was looking out the glass window of the door that opened out to the walkway area with the rope that you see Holly standing in front of..she goes down a few steps..turns the corner left and is in the open carport where her car(only)was that morning. Didn't I read on here that Clint's car was in the completely enclosed building that the perp walked by from the woods if he went back the same route as he came(with Holly)? The weather was going to be bad so he put his car in the completely enclosed stand-alone building where Holly's mother is shown walking toward? That is where you can see the golden retriever to the left. I'm assuming it was their dog, and he is outside. The neighbor heard the scream(s)but he doesn't mention a dog barking..if the dog was outside that morning I don't understand why it didn't bark, unless it knew the person Holly was talking/walking away with? Surely hearing Holly's scream(s)..loud enough for the neighbor to hear..would have caused it to bark? The house is in the country..on a dirt road..it even sits up and away from the road a good distance. The person who did this..in my opinion only..had to somehow know this family's time schedules/routines. They would also have to have planned a route of escape on the chance that someone might be coming up that long driveway that morning. My common sense tells me that it was someone who maybe wasn't a friend..but perhaps an acquaintance..from her church..her nursing class? I believe he is from the area..how else would he know the back way out of there? And how convenient that he just happened to choose hunting season to make his move? Living in New England I generally follow the Northeast cases..but every now and then there is a case that "touches me"(Kyron Horman)like Holly Bobo's case and I so badly want to see a "happy ending." My heart goes out to the Bobo family, I pray every day for Holly's(still possible)safe return. I can't imagine having to live this nightmare that her family lives.

Nancy1954

07-23-2012, 03:23 PM

my comments in red

Thank you for your comments Lashelle..I want to address something that I previously left out in my prior reply. You're absolutely right..Holly's blood loss could have been from alot of different things. We know that she walked on her own to the woods..Clint would have noticed and mentioned if he had seen any blood on Holly from his vantage point..she was wearing light blue jeans and a pink top..and not navy or black clothing. In my opinion if the police would release more exact and pertinent information on the case IN THE BEGINNING..there wouldn't be so many conspiracy theories..I for one don't believe there is a conspiracy here. Someone found a mmo and took it. I pray he is found/caught soon.

Nancy1954

07-23-2012, 03:47 PM

Hi, welcome to this muddled case...

I wonder if the dog knew the person who took Holly...and if she did not struggle, just let out one scream, the dog may not have known she was in danger.

I get a feeling this is someone Holly knew on some level and maybe the man had come around and "made friends" with the dog when no one was home-I think I read at one point that the big dog was an "outdoor" dog. So maybe the dog recognized him.

As far as Clint being in the shower, not sure if that is rumor or fact.

Muddled for sure. Even what I heard/read originally and took for fact seems like it may not have been correct(Clint taking a shower).

Labrador retrievers are one of the gentlest and friendliest dogs out there. They are definitely not watchdogs. Yes, I have read here that the lab was their outdoor dog. Wouldn't you think that the perp would have been worried that the dog might bark if he thought someone else might still be home? If Clint's car was indeed in that stand-alone, totally-enclosed building as I've read here..the perp would have walked by it from the woods..wouldn't you think that he would have looked through the window of that building..to see if there was a vehicle in there? I think he took Holly by/past that same totally enclosed building to go back into the woods. He could possibly live somewhere in the area and walked her there, or he had some sort of vehicle that could drive the tiny, rough path waiting .

Yes, the dog may very well have recognized the perp. That would explain why the neighbor didn't hear him bark..because he didn't. Obviously a big dog has a louder bark then a small dog.

I don't know what happened at the Bobo residence that day, but I hope to God that some answers to so many questions are coming soon.

Karen Anne RN

07-23-2012, 05:24 PM

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believe09

07-23-2012, 05:35 PM

Here is the part I am missing-why should LE straighten anything out for the general public via media or otherwise?

Karen Anne RN

07-23-2012, 06:29 PM

TERRY BRITT has been transferred from Madison County Sheriff's Department to the custody of the Tennessee Department of Correction.

The transfer took place on 7/23/2012.

Almondjoy

07-23-2012, 07:00 PM

Muddled for sure. Even what I heard/read originally and took for fact seems like it may not have been correct(Clint taking a shower).

Labrador retrievers are one of the gentlest and friendliest dogs out there. They are definitely not watchdogs. Yes, I have read here that the lab was their outdoor dog. Wouldn't you think that the perp would have been worried that the dog might bark if he thought someone else might still be home? If Clint's car was indeed in that stand-alone, totally-enclosed building as I've read here..the perp would have walked by it from the woods..wouldn't you think that he would have looked through the window of that building..to see if there was a vehicle in there? I think he took Holly by/past that same totally enclosed building to go back into the woods. He could possibly live somewhere in the area and walked her there, or he had some sort of vehicle that could drive the tiny, rough path waiting .

Yes, the dog may very well have recognized the perp. That would explain why the neighbor didn't hear him bark..because he didn't. Obviously a big dog has a louder bark then a small dog.

I don't know what happened at the Bobo residence that day, but I hope to God that some answers to so many questions are coming soon.

Regarding Clint's truck, unless the perp was a really close person to the family, and knew exactly which family members were home, what car they drove, and had watched each one leave, it is likely that he did not know Clint was there! The perp didn't seem to hurry in abducting Holly. He acted like he had all the time in the world to do what he came to do.

Having so little info, we have to remember that we don't know for sure that the perp came there that day to abduct Holly. What if he were a friend who just came to talk? What if he was a predator who came there to rape her? Something could have gone wrong, and maybe in the end, for whatever reason, the perp decided to take Holly with him. I base this on the family's timetable that states that she probably left for school at 7:40, yet she was not seen entering the woods with the perp for nearly 20 minutes. We know Clint heard them talking. So there was activity for 20 minutes, and Holly left bleeding. That's all we know.

From Clint's own video accounts, I don't remember him ever mentioning a shower. He just said he was awakened by the barking of the dog. That's all that is recorded on that, as far as I know.

Carla Lashelle

07-23-2012, 07:47 PM

The best sources of info for what happened (not that any are great) are the Jane Velez Mitchell TV interview and a few interviews with the family on other local news shows that semi sort of recap what happened. There is some useful video from the recent AMW special, but some of the narration and commentary don't jive with prior accounts of what happened.

Karen and/or Clint have said he was sleeping and didn't hear the screams. Lots of people have come up with theories as to why he didn't (like being in a shower with the water running) but according to Karen he was asleep and she had closed his bedroom door before she went to work since Holly was already up at that time.

No one has really ever said and showed EXACTLY where Holly's car was parked and where Clint's car was. More or less what we know has been extrapolated from interviews and the AMW show.

We don't know exactly what window Clint looked out of to see Holly and the suspect walking away. You can assume there is a window somewhere between the carport and the pool. The pool is an above ground pool and would block vision in that direction.

Some of the video recreation (I think on AMW) was a bit awkward since they did not show things from Clint's perspective in the house but instead showed the house (in the distance) from the tree line as if looking back.

LE should want to clarify mis-information that could effect how the public perceives the case. If they want the community to help out in any way, correcting or clarifying mistakes or confusing stuff would be very helpful. Like it does matter what she was wearing when she went missing. It would be nice to know what she had with her (in case someone found something). It would be nice to know if there is a better description of the suspect. Remember even the suspect's description suddenly changed. Why?

Karen Anne RN

07-23-2012, 08:31 PM

Should we not preregister unless we are 100% sure we will be there?

What's the closest airport if a person wanted to fly in?

Preregister anyway: per the SAR Team

dejavoodoo64

07-23-2012, 10:18 PM

The best sources of info for what happened (not that any are great) are the Jane Velez Mitchell TV interview and a few interviews with the family on other local news shows that semi sort of recap what happened. There is some useful video from the recent AMW special, but some of the narration and commentary don't jive with prior accounts of what happened.

Karen and/or Clint have said he was sleeping and didn't hear the screams. Lots of people have come up with theories as to why he didn't (like being in a shower with the water running) but according to Karen he was asleep and she had closed his bedroom door before she went to work since Holly was already up at that time.

No one has really ever said and showed EXACTLY where Holly's car was parked and where Clint's car was. More or less what we know has been extrapolated from interviews and the AMW show.

We don't know exactly what window Clint looked out of to see Holly and the suspect walking away. You can assume there is a window somewhere between the carport and the pool. The pool is an above ground pool and would block vision in that direction.

Some of the video recreation (I think on AMW) was a bit awkward since they did not show things from Clint's perspective in the house but instead showed the house (in the distance) from the tree line as if looking back.

LE should want to clarify mis-information that could effect how the public perceives the case. If they want the community to help out in any way, correcting or clarifying mistakes or confusing stuff would be very helpful. Like it does matter what she was wearing when she went missing. It would be nice to know what she had with her (in case someone found something). It would be nice to know if there is a better description of the suspect. Remember even the suspect's description suddenly changed. Why?

Believe09

BBM-I was going to respond to your question, but Carla has answered it very well. My question is why you would think they shouldn't?

Carla Lashelle

07-24-2012, 09:20 AM

I have no idea why they wouldn't want to clarify things except 1) they don't care 2) they are out of touch and don't care 3) they are inept and don't know whats going on

I really don't believe in cover ups, conspiracy theories or other whack stuff. I assume its probably a mix of 1, 2 and 3

Nancy1954

07-24-2012, 03:22 PM

[QUOTE=Carla Lashelle;8184069]The best sources of info for what happened (not that any are great) are the Jane Velez Mitchell TV interview and a few interviews with the family on other local news shows that semi sort of recap what happened. There is some useful video from the recent AMW special, but some of the narration and commentary don't jive with prior accounts of what happened.

Karen and/or Clint have said he was sleeping and didn't hear the screams. Lots of people have come up with theories as to why he didn't (like being in a shower with the water running) but according to Karen he was asleep and she had closed his bedroom door before she went to work since Holly was already up at that time.

No one has really ever said and showed EXACTLY where Holly's car was parked and where Clint's car was. More or less what we know has been extrapolated from interviews and the AMW show.

We don't know exactly what window Clint looked out of to see Holly and the suspect walking away. You can assume there is a window somewhere between the carport and the pool. The pool is an above ground pool and would block vision in that direction.

Some of the video recreation (I think on AMW) was a bit awkward since they did not show things from Clint's perspective in the house but instead showed the house (in the distance) from the tree line as if looking back.

LE should want to clarify mis-information that could effect how the public perceives the case. If they want the community to help out in any way, correcting or clarifying mistakes or confusing stuff would be very helpful. Like it does matter what she was wearing when she went missing. It would be nice to know what she had with her (in case someone found something). It would be nice to know if there is a better description of the suspect. Remember even the suspect's description suddenly changed. Why?[/QUO
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In the very beginning of this case I heard or read that Clint was taking a shower(it isn't my theory, it's what I read or heard from what I believed was a reliable source)..I would NEVER throw out inaccurate theories..I guess what I heard/read was wrong..or there are two separate accounts.

Clint's mother pointed to EXACTLY where Holly's car was that morning..in the same spot where Clint's was now parked. And I have read on here that Clint's car was in that TOTALLY ENCLOSED stand-alone building.

We don't know EXACTLY which window Clint looked out? Please go back and reread this forum..it seems like NOTHING is EXACT..but if you reread this forum you will be able to deduce with pretty good accuracy where Clint was standing to look out the back window. The same door with the window is shown in a video I saw on here. From Clint's vantage point in that door he COULD see Holly being led away into the woods. Yes, the pool IS an above-ground pool..but the doorway that Clint was standing in allowed him to see OVER and BEYOND the pool..it did NOT impede his vision. I'm not assuming anything..the photos speak for themselves..the door that Clint was looking out of was the door going out to the area that Holly was standing in front of in the photo(with the rope behind her), turn the corner left and you are in the garage/carport. Respectfully, I am only stating MY OWN personal thoughts and opinions here. Isn't THATS what's important? To get as many thoughts and ideas as we can on here? Of course correct information is of the utmost importance. I have never said that my information was correct or that I was right..I am only stating MY thoughts and opinions here.

One last thing I'd like to mention..whatever caused Holly to lose blood was not seen by Clint from his back or side views of her. We know this because her clothes were light colored. Obviously he would see blood on her clothes if it were there.

I stand by MY thoughts/opinion ONLY that whomever accosted Holly that morning had it planned out.

Carla Lashelle

07-24-2012, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE=Carla Lashelle;8184069] Please go back and reread this forum..it seems like NOTHING is EXACT

Don't need too... been following this since day one...

Very muddled case. I agree also it was planned. I don't think the case is really mysterious or complicated just so little information has been released that its hard to draw any detailed conclusions.

Karen Anne RN

07-25-2012, 10:38 PM

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Karen Anne RN

07-27-2012, 07:36 PM

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goldiegirl

07-27-2012, 09:55 PM

Still in need of volunteers for Holly's search this weekend. Please register if you can help.

Please share this information with your friends.

: ( I so wish I could be there. I'm surprised there aren't enough local people who want to help.

I really hope there doesn't have to be another search, but please keep posting if there are more. It's very hard to get there from out of state, but I'm willing to try, and where there's a will there's a way....

Plumeria5

07-28-2012, 05:17 PM

: ( I so wish I could be there. I'm surprised there aren't enough local people who want to help.

I really hope there doesn't have to be another search, but please keep posting if there are more. It's very hard to get there from out of state, but I'm willing to try, and where there's a will there's a way....

BBM
I am beginning to wonder if locals think they know what happened to Holly and feel her body has been disposed of in a way that she will never be found.
It is very sad. Did Holly know something and someone wanted to silence her? We will probably never know the answer.

Carla Lashelle

07-29-2012, 03:44 PM

BBM
I am beginning to wonder if locals think they know what happened to Holly and feel her body has been disposed of in a way that she will never be found.
It is very sad. Did Holly know something and someone wanted to silence her? We will probably never know the answer.

The thing is that most times someone is silenced its very public and out in the open to send a message. Not always, but I think more often than not. They would be killed on the spot.

wfgodot

07-29-2012, 03:53 PM

I've always been on the "silenced" bandwagon (except for the quite several other times when I was on some other bandwagon, but I digress).

The only people, especially in a small town, who would have to "know" could be quite small. Only those who also know the secret, and whose urge to silence would be strengthened by a disappeared Holly. All of the rest might be oblivious to what took place, and why.

Fishee

07-29-2012, 08:07 PM

I have no idea why they wouldn't want to clarify things except 1) they don't care 2) they are out of touch and don't care 3) they are inept and don't know whats going on

4) Strategy

Whisperer

07-29-2012, 08:56 PM

Upthread it was said that Holly was in the carport where she bled and that Clint couldn't see her.

He told the media on JVM that he saw silhouettes in the carport. I sure would like a specific explanation on how he saw silhouettes from the kitchen window. He told JVM that he was looking into the garage from the kitchen window....

This little nugget opens up all kinds of confusion. I want the same time of day, the same time of year, re-enacted, to prove how he saw silhouettes and not actual people.

believe09

07-29-2012, 09:55 PM

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Believe09

BBM-I was going to respond to your question, but Carla has answered it very well. My question is why you would think they shouldn't?

Sorry I missed this. I didnt say they shouldnt. I am not sure LE is driven by the court of public opinion during an active investigation and I am not sure it is prudent for them to be transparent about evidence they have, especially during an active investigation. I realize that there are things that we would like to know and things we would like clarified.

believe09

07-29-2012, 09:56 PM

How did the search go?

Carla Lashelle

07-30-2012, 08:13 AM

Upthread it was said that Holly was in the carport where she bled and that Clint couldn't see her.

He told the media on JVM that he saw silhouettes in the carport. I sure would like a specific explanation on how he saw silhouettes from the kitchen window. He told JVM that he was looking into the garage from the kitchen window....

This little nugget opens up all kinds of confusion. I want the same time of day, the same time of year, re-enacted, to prove how he saw silhouettes and not actual people.

Ahhh on JVM he never said he looked into the garage from the kitchen window. He said he looked into the garage but didn't specify where/how.

From the transcripts:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

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Note that Clint said he did not know who EITHER of the two people were at that time

Oriah

07-30-2012, 08:40 AM

How did the search go?

Looks like their facebook page is the best way to check for updated information. But I don't think there will be any updates on whether or not anything of interest was found, because I think they have a confidentiality clause.

It would be great to hear from people local to the area.

dejavoodoo64

07-30-2012, 10:50 AM

Sorry I missed this. I didnt say they shouldnt. I am not sure LE is driven by the court of public opinion during an active investigation and I am not sure it is prudent for them to be transparent about evidence they have, especially during an active investigation. I realize that there are things that we would like to know and things we would like clarified.

True enough sometimes, well most times if an investigation is just beginning, but this one is not. With so much misinformation and changing stories, if they want or need the publics help, they at least need to clarify the exact events as well as possible, as do the Bobos. They may think they do not need the public, but the point is to at least release exactly what happened so the public can help if they did see anything unusual that morning. People's memories fade and it may be too late for that, but it could of helped and it still might if they do so. They do not need to release any information about possible suspects or what they are investigating or where. Just give people the basics as even on this board we get info sometimes of what happened that is rumor and can't be backed up. If we get that kind of info I can't imagine what is being passed around in the actual community. That can't be helpful at all if someone saw something they didn't think mattered at the time of her abduction. LE needs to just stand up, hold a press conference, announce exactly what happened so the rumors are dispelled. People can then move on and have a context of what happened. Then they may remember something to add that fills in the puzzle. Even if LE is dead certain they know who did it and are waiting for some sort of evidence to be able to make an arrest or get a search warrant, someone out there may hold that info. I believe Mr. Bobo has asked for what happened to be released. That must mean we only know part of what happened, none of it, or it was a story for some reason. Maybe to protect Clint because LE doesn't want the abductor to know that they have a pretty good idea who did it. JMO of course.

believe09

07-30-2012, 11:44 AM

I understand your point dejavoo and I understand more than you know the frustration of the family. I am sceptical of transparency during an active investigation, and sharing with the family puts the family in the position of being able to release what they wish whether or not LE approves.

There are heavy hitters on this case. There are active searches, even when the public is unaware of them I suspect. We dont know what tips have been sent in and investigated. As for Holly's family, they want her home yesterday. That is undoubtedly their sole focus and I think they probably hope there is someone out there who holds the key as well.

Who gets to decide how that person is uncovered? I think it should be the people with the most information fwiw.

wfgodot

07-30-2012, 12:06 PM

LE in this case hasn't just been non-transparent. It has been overwhelmingly opaque. 469 days since last TBI press release.

concentric

07-30-2012, 01:18 PM

Ahhh on JVM he never said he looked into the garage from the kitchen window. He said he looked into the garage but didn't specify where/how.

From the transcripts:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

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Note that Clint said he did not know who EITHER of the two people were at that time
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Carla, you have been a dominant and persistant presence on the Holly Bobo case here at Websleuths. I am truly interested in why you are so passionate about this particular case.

SmoothOperator

07-30-2012, 03:28 PM

A new clause has been added to the registration form for searching..
By checking the box I acknowledge that all information as pertaining to the search I am registering for is to be kept confidential. I agree that I may not share information and that if I violate this confidentiality agreement any of the following may happen:
1. Dismissal From Search
2. Banned From Other Searches
3. Legal Prosecution

http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html

As I said this is a new clause added that is mandatory the searcher must agree to.. This clause was not previously used as recently as the last search earlier in July..

Not implying anything just found it interesting that it was added this late in the game and can only hope that it's indicative that they indeed are getting closer to the truth and therefor necessary to keep knowledge of particular details and findings from finding their way back to those involved..

All jmo..

believe09

07-30-2012, 05:55 PM

A new clause has been added to the registration form for searching..

http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html

As I said this is a new clause added that is mandatory the searcher must agree to.. This clause was not previously used as recently as the last search earlier in July..

Not implying anything just found it interesting that it was added this late in the game and can only hope that it's indicative that they indeed are getting closer to the truth and therefor necessary to keep knowledge of particular details and findings from finding their way back to those involved..

All jmo..

Or, they may be cracking down on the pillow talk. JMO.

Carla Lashelle

07-30-2012, 06:54 PM

Just every now and then a case bothers me for some personal reason. I have followed only one other case with much attention; the Anne Pressly murder. I just feel some connection here and Holly's case really bothers me deeply. I pray for some sort of resolution.

goldiegirl

07-30-2012, 07:58 PM

Just every now and then a case bothers me for some personal reason. I have followed only one other case with much attention; the Anne Pressly murder. I just feel some connection here and Holly's case really bothers me deeply. I pray for some sort of resolution.

I understand, and I feel the same way about Holly's case. I don't know why, other than we're only a couple years apart and I feel like we would have been friends had we known each other. This case tugs at my heart like no other.

cluciano63

07-31-2012, 12:19 AM

I admit, my fascination with this case is in part due to the sheer bizarreness of it all...a witnessed abduction...on a spring morning...all kinds of LE arriving within minutes...phones a buzzin' all over the county...etc. & etc....

And nothing to report.

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 11:37 AM

I admit, my fascination with this case is in part due to the sheer bizarreness of it all...a witnessed abduction...on a spring morning...all kinds of LE arriving within minutes...phones a buzzin' all over the county...etc. & etc....

And nothing to report.

There were many reasons that drew me to the Holly Bobo abduction, but the primary reason was Karen Bobo's heartwrenching plea for help aired on national tv.

I had attended a missing/murdered person conference the previous month in NC, which featured Megan Maxwell(TN), as one of the many missing/murdered victims. I was born in Tennessee, and spent many safe & carefree summers there as a child, & went to HS in Savannah, TN, not far from Parsons, TN.

Who would have thought we would be here over 16 months later without results, and that the Bobos would still be pleading for everyone's help?

Oriah

07-31-2012, 11:46 AM

A new clause has been added to the registration form for searching..

http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html

As I said this is a new clause added that is mandatory the searcher must agree to.. This clause was not previously used as recently as the last search earlier in July..

Not implying anything just found it interesting that it was added this late in the game and can only hope that it's indicative that they indeed are getting closer to the truth and therefor necessary to keep knowledge of particular details and findings from finding their way back to those involved..

All jmo..

Yes, also notice that there were two separate staging areas. One for locals, one for the search team. In certain types of investigations, there are often even more that are not made public in any way.

To me, that points to full cooperation from LE and a very active investigation.

Mvhoo

wfgodot

07-31-2012, 11:47 AM

Interest in case, hmmm. Born and raised in a town called Parsons, albeit not in TN. First inkling this case was going to be a mess: botched "drug into the woods" and the whole LE/Clint contretemps. After that, it was "buckle your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride." It's been like watching a car wreck - same macabre fascination - albeit with the film slowed to two or three frames per year. Plus Holly reminds me of a former student.

wishuwerehere

07-31-2012, 03:16 PM

The fact that Holly was abducted outside of her home, in the morning, and it was witnessed by her brother caught my attention about this case immediately. I was certain Holly would be found quickly…

Whisperer

07-31-2012, 07:37 PM

Ahhh on JVM he never said he looked into the garage from the kitchen window. He said he looked into the garage but didn't specify where/how.

From the transcripts:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

________________

Note that Clint said he did not know who EITHER of the two people were at that time

Thank you for the transcript. According to Clint he saw them in the garage from inside the house. He saw them walking TOWARDS the woods. He never said they went into the woods.

I maintain that Clint was watching from a different vantage point other than from inside the house. Clint never saw a vehicle? What kind of perp would park in the woods and walk to get a victim and force them to the car. Why not just pull up to her car and take her right there?

1. If the perp thought Clint wasn't home, why hide the vehicle?
2. If the perp suspected "Clint was home, why take the chance? Do this on a different day.

wfgodot

07-31-2012, 07:47 PM

1. If the perp thought Clint wasn't home, why hide the vehicle?
Because Holly knew not only the person but the vehicle also, and would have feared the mere sight of said vehicle?

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 08:29 PM

Because Holly knew not only the person but the vehicle also, and would have feared the mere sight of said vehicle?

I honor your opinion, wfgodot, but respectfully disagree.
All indicators point to an experienced stranger sexual predator in Holly Bobo's abduction. This is one of many reasons this case has grown cold, and Holly Bobo's remains haven't been located after 16 months. The TBI focused on 'it has to be a local theory' from day one. Due to this perceived hypothesis & the antiquated strategy of silence, all other theories were disregarded..

The perp would have hid the vehicle in the woods to prevent neighbors or folks passing by from seeing it, imo. Her abductor was no stranger to the game..

wfgodot

07-31-2012, 08:46 PM

Strongly disagree! lol.

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 09:24 PM

Strongly disagree! lol.

wfgodot, there are many reasons for this conclusion..
I went on the Easter weekend search for Holly and witnessed this perceived hypothesis by investigators; tunnel vision..

Other than Karen's heartwrenching plea for help, Sheriff Wyatt's statement that crimes like this doesn't happen in towns like Darden, TN, also caught my attention. Ya don't have to be a detective to know that crimes like Holly's abduction happen in anywhere USA..daily...

Growing up in the rural TN, community, I am very familiar with the culture of the area. Knowing the culture of an area is very important when sleuthing an abduction, imo.

wfgodot, I have a preliminary profile of the perp that abducted Holly Bobo that was prepared a few weeks after 04/13/2011. I will share it later if anyone is interested. I only follow cases where stranger sexual predators/SKs are indicated. They have tell, tell signs that are easily recognizable, imo..

wfgodot

07-31-2012, 09:27 PM

wfgodot, I have a preliminary profile of the perp that abducted Holly Bobo that was prepared a few weeks after 04/13/2011. I will share it later if anyone is interested.Yes! Soon! Please! I admit my "sleuthing" in this matter basically has involved being on one bandwagon or another. I think it was local and personal because that is a simple solution that doesn't seem to dull the edge of Occam's razor. But I can change my mind! Several times, in fact! Convince me.

Plumeria5

07-31-2012, 09:38 PM

Could someone refresh my memory about a video I saw? Wasn't there a video of two guys fighting and Holly was there? Or, did we ever confirm it was Holly in the video? If my memory serves me correctly, the girl with the blond hair was cheering on one of the guys. That could certainly embarrass and/or humiliate a young man to the point maybe he wanted to get even. I don't know when the video was taken. Anyone?

wfgodot

07-31-2012, 10:05 PM

Could someone refresh my memory about a video I saw? Wasn't there a video of two guys fighting and Holly was there? Or, did we ever confirm it was Holly in the video? If my memory serves me correctly, the girl with the blond hair was cheering on one of the guys. That could certainly embarrass and/or humiliate a young man to the point maybe he wanted to get even. I don't know when the video was taken. Anyone?The "fight video," mentioned on a site whose name we dare not speak, was uploaded to YouTube on 05 August 2009, well over a year before the disappearance; although her face is barely on camera, the blonde girl in it does not appear to be Holly.

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 10:12 PM

The "fight video," mentioned on a site whose name we dare not speak, was uploaded to YouTube on 05 August 2009, well over a year before the disappearance; although her face is barely on camera, the blonde girl in it does not appear to be Holly.

wfgodot, it was absolutely Holly Bobo in the fight video, but I doubt it had anything to do with her abduction...just a southern redneck thing; culture..I prefer to refer it as appalachian americans..
Not judging, just they we do things in the south..lol

wfgodot

07-31-2012, 10:15 PM

wfgodot, it was absolutely Holly Bobo in the fight video, but I doubt it had anything to do with her abduction...just a southern redneck thing; culture..I prefer to refer it as appalachian americans..
Not judging, just they we do things in the south..lol
And you know this how?

wishuwerehere

07-31-2012, 10:17 PM

I honor your opinion, wfgodot, but respectfully disagree.
All indicators point to an experienced stranger sexual predator in Holly Bobo's abduction. This is one of many reasons this case has grown cold, and Holly Bobo's remains haven't been located after 16 months. The TBI focused on 'it has to be a local theory' from day one. Due to this perceived hypothesis & the antiquated strategy of silence, all other theories were disregarded..

The perp would have hid the vehicle in the woods to prevent neighbors or folks passing by from seeing it, imo. Her abductor was no stranger to the game..

bbm - I think this is a very interesting statement.

- Her abductor was no stranger to the game.. or to her. jmo

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 10:30 PM

wfgodot, keep in mind that almost 100 illegal meth labs were located during the first 2 weeks of the Holly Bobo search. In 2010 TN held the title of the #1 Meth Capital of the USA> Within a few miles & on the same road as the UTM Nursing school where Holly attended, there is an International Porn & Toy Shop located at I-40 which is frequented by truckers & travelers between Nashville & Memphis.

Psychological Profile of Unknown Abductor

age mid 40s to 50 stranger - sociopath/psychopath
caucausian - transient worker/construction

experienced-gaines immediate compliance-organized-disciplined-antisocial-120+ IQ
selects, recons, & stalks victims-military/hunting experience

prior criminal record/probable RSO - familiar with LE procedures, schedules, response times & forensics-full camo- monitors LE during abduction

sexual predator-lust killer is often driven to kill due to a sexual motivation, living out sexual fantasies & control over the life of the victim-drug induced

Sadistical, bondage, rituals

narcisstic - enjoys the game/taunting

calculating, opportunist, cagey

Vehicle 4 wheel drive PU or SUV small/mid size - Utilizes forests and abandoned structures as safe havens

Holly was abducted on a Wednesday at aproximately 7:30 AM which is change time of the DCSO and very soon after Karen and Dana left for work.
The abductor wore full camo which would limited forensics & prevent identification if observed. Abductor would not stand out due to turkey hunting season in progress.
Abductor gained immediate compliance of Holly Bobo, illustrated by the blood residue & her willingness to walk in to the woods with him without resistance.

wfgodot, as for the assumption that the perp had to be a local due to knowing the area; bs..

I have been a hunter & woodsman for almost 5 decades and although I try to prescout an area, with a topo map or gps, I can hunt or navigate any area of any state within a few minutes of study..

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 10:31 PM

And you know this how?

Watched it multiple times..I wasn't aware that there was any questions as to it being Holly Bobo in the fight video.. although a picture says a thousands words, a video is pretty obvious..
anyone have the link? I do somewhere..

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 10:36 PM

Just taking us back to that tragic day and the effects on the Parsons community..

Bring Holly Home by Kevin Medlin - YouTube

Bring Holly Home by Kevin Medlin

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 10:49 PM

bbm - I think this is a very interesting statement.

- Her abductor was no stranger to the game.. or to her. jmo

'Abductions of innocent victims/prey by experienced psychopathic sadistic sexual predators is only a game to them'..

The predator that abducted Holly Bobo, was no stranger to the game. Holly was not his first victim, nor his last, imo.. He was a professional..

wishuwerehere

07-31-2012, 11:06 PM

'Abductions of innocent victims/prey by experienced psychopathic sadistic sexual predators is only a game to them'..

The predator that abducted Holly Bobo, was no stranger to the game. Holly was not his first victim, nor his last, imo.. He was a professional..

A professional what?

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 11:12 PM

A professional what?

A professional sexual predator.. He had honed his skills with each prior abduction, as would any professional, whether it be a carpenter, athelete, or hunter..a hunter of humans..as was robert hansen, gary hilton, or ted bundy..etc..

wishuwerehere

07-31-2012, 11:17 PM

A professional sexual predator.. He had honed his skills with each prior abduction, as would any professional, whether it be a carpenter, athelete, or hunter..a hunter of humans..as was robert hansen, gary hilton, or ted bundy..etc..

If you're saying he is a serial abductor, I disagree. I say this is his first abduction. He was witnessed. Rookie mistake. jmo

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 11:20 PM

I realize that most folks rely on statistics released by the FBI, which state that less than 1% of abductions are stranger sexual predators. Imo this number is not only a very conservative estimate, but is diluted due to the many domestic abductions, as well as the unknown missing/murdered persons across the USA which is in excess of 100, 000+. It is virtually impossible to put a number on the number of stranger abductions because the FBI has no idea what happened to many of the missing/murdered.
Most stranger abductions are never solved...unless by DNA years or decades later..
Factor in the meth relation, as well as the little blue pill, and the numbers are increasing dramatically, imo.. The age of sexual predators is also increasing due to the advent of the little blue pill. The arrest of many SKs/sexual predators of recent times indicates this..

Example:
FBI makes a connection between long-haul truckers, serial killings ...
articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/05/local/me-serialkillers5

Apr 5, 2009 – The FBI suspects that serial killers working as long-haul truckers are ... After that, the FBI launched the Highway Serial Killings Initiative to track..

"Why did it take til 2009 for the FBI to figure out that truckers are responsible for many abductions/murders of innocent victims dumped along interstates"?
"I actually took a course taught by the Supervisor over the FBI Trucker SK iniative at a missing person conference in 2011".. I asked him, how many unknown victims does the FBI BAU2 think that serial killer Gary Hilton has? The blood left his face....

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jun/28/americas-silent-disaster/?partner=RSS

'America's silent disaster:' Mysteries of the missing

FBI: More than 1,100 'active' missing-persons cases in Tennessee; exact number unknown
By Jim Balloch

Posted June 28, 2009 at midnight

"Folks, the TBI is simply not utilizing their most valuable tool in missing persons investigations; the American public"... due to their antiquated strategy of silence....look at the Mayes Case, or the Mickey Schunick Case. Both were solved due to an aware citizen's tip...

Foxfire

07-31-2012, 11:29 PM

If you're saying he is a serial abductor, I disagree. I say this is his first abduction. He was witnessed. Rookie mistake. jmo

'Sixteen+ months later, who is he, where is he, where is Holly Bobo'? As wfgodot stated, it has been over 470 days since a presser by the TBI. I do remember an article where the TBI PIO Helms stated; 'investigation narrowing' only a few weeks after Holly's abduction.
I only follow stranger sexual predators & I am batting 1,000.. Predators are very calculating, deflective, and creative, as was Holly's abductor..

Predators leave obvious residue..

Consider the LE resources used in the Holly Bobo investigation including the FBI BAU2, wishuwerehere, as well as the $250, 000.00 reward. If this was a local, he/they would be in custody by now..

There was no preabduction plan by DCSO. all LEOs responded to the Bobo's residence and some more than likely passed the predator with Holly Bobo as a hostage, when responding.

It was over a week before a road block was even initiated.. Simply not prepared.. The professional was aware of their professionalism..a cakewalk for him..

Plumeria5

08-01-2012, 12:09 AM

'Sixteen+ months later, who is he, where is he, where is Holly Bobo'? As wfgodot stated, it has been over 470 days since a presser by the TBI. I do remember an article where the TBI PIO Helms stated; 'investigation narrowing' only a few weeks after Holly's abduction.
I only follow stranger sexual predators & I am batting 1,000.. Predators are very calculating, deflective, and creative, as was Holly's abductor..

Predators leave obvious residue..

Consider the LE resources used in the Holly Bobo investigation including the FBI BAU2, wishuwerehere, as well as the $250, 000.00 reward. If this was a local, he/they would be in custody by now..

There was no preabduction plan by DCSO. all LEOs responded to the Bobo's residence and some more than likely passed the predator with Holly Bobo as a hostage, when responding.

It was over a week before a road block was even initiated.. Simply not prepared.. The professional was aware of their professionalism..a cakewalk for him..

Do you think the abductor followed her home from school?

wfgodot

08-01-2012, 12:12 AM

AND SO, Foxfire, these are many interesting - and some of them quite compelling - facts and observations, ones I have enjoyed reading. And which have given me pause, and thus have made me think

First of all, it does not necessarily follow that a large reward in a small town is guaranteed to produce an arrest. Fear can overcome even a strong financial incentive. And fear can be stronger in a small town, where there may be no place to hide.

That LE "passed the predator when responding" is a surmise. Perhaps, or not. At times I've thought so too.

As for being a professional sex predator, as wishyouwerehere notes, this person is not, then, especially a good one, taking Holly when in fact he was being observed doing so by her brother, and also having probably to punch Holly - and thus leave blood evidence of abduction - before he could gain her compliance.

If we are to believe Clint, this person did not gain immediate compliance from Holly.

Certainly this could have been his first outing, his first foray into the field, but you say he is familiar with many things and is thus experienced.

I don't think this was a game to him; at least I can discern no playful element here on his part. The lunch packet and the cell phone seem to have been strewn about willy nilly, and their locations seem to me to have been ones a local would have used. They may, however and perhaps, have been placed where they were in order to taunt.

Not sure what the meth labs suggest, other than that Holly might have knowledge of someone dealing meth and that was what got her kidnapped.

Porn stores do in fact attract seedy types; but these seedy types generally seek private means of satisfaction where the participant is one person.

Truckers, travelers, transients: perhaps these types travel with their ready-to-wear camo; perhaps not.

That a cross-country trucker may be the perpetrator is compelling - though it does not fit the circumstances of Holly's disappearance, viz., another means of transport, independent of an eighteen-wheeler, would have had to come into play.

I do think this is someone with a prior criminal record, though probably not an RSO.

I don't believe he necessarily "had to be local to know the area" either. I just think he was local because he kidnapped Holly Bobo of Darden TN, and the most likely person to have done that is someone who knew Holly Bobo.

I'm not sure what "the little blue pill" is.

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 12:21 AM

Do you think the abductor followed her home from school?

Plumeria5, there is no way to know, but he obviously saw & zoned in on her from somewhere. It may have been from the coon hunt, school, or the grocery story where she worked part time as a cashier.. She was obviously stalked, imo..
I went to the one year anniversary of Holly's abduction. The motel clerk where I stayed in Lexington, TN, said that attendance for the coon hunt was way off in 2012, compared to the 2011 coon hunt where Holly performed.. Who knows?
I met the Bobo family..Felt so sorry for them...
On the Easter search, the one thing that stood out to me was what an assistant principal on my search team shared with me. He said that a few days after Holly's abduction, Karen contacted him and requested that he implement an abduction safety course in the DC school system.. Said that she didn't want this to happen to another child..

Irony: planned the trip of the one year anniversary of Holly's abduction with a GA State Park Official, that I had worked with on another case in GA. He overslept, so I went on to Lexington, TN, without him. When he later arrived at the LX hotel, the desk clerk said that the person in my room had died. He went back home to GA, after hearing the bad news. It was not me, but the person that stayed there the night before. My friend was very surprised when I called him after arriving home..I had to convince him that it was me... LOL
'I wondered why check in was so long'...

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 12:37 AM

AND SO, Foxfire, these are many interesting - and some of them quite compelling - facts and observations, ones I have enjoyed reading. And which have given me pause, and thus have made me think

First of all, it does not necessarily follow that a large reward in a small town is guaranteed to produce an arrest. Fear can overcome even a strong financial incentive. And fear can be stronger in a small town, where there may be no place to hide.

That LE "passed the predator when responding" is a surmise. Perhaps, or not. At times I've thought so too.

As for being a professional sex predator, as wishyouwerehere notes, this person is not, then, especially a good one, taking Holly when in fact he was being observed doing so by her brother, and also having probably to punch Holly - and thus leave blood evidence of abduction - before he could gain her compliance.

If we are to believe Clint, this person did not gain immediate compliance from Holly.

Certainly this could have been his first outing, his first foray into the field, but you say he is familiar with many things and is thus experienced.

I don't think this was a game to him; at least I can discern no playful element here on his part. The lunch packet and the cell phone seem to have been strewn about willy nilly, and their locations seem to me to have been ones a local would have used. They may, however and perhaps, have been placed where they were in order to taunt.

Not sure what the meth labs suggest, other than that Holly might have knowledge of someone dealing meth and that was what got her kidnapped.

Porn stores do in fact attract seedy types; but these seedy types generally seek private means of satisfaction where the participant is one person.

Truckers, travelers, transients: perhaps these types travel with their ready-to-wear camo; perhaps not.

That a cross-country trucker may be the perpetrator is compelling - though it does not fit the circumstances of Holly's disappearance, viz., another means of transport, independent of an eighteen-wheeler, would have had to come into play.

I do think this is someone with a prior criminal record, though probably not an RSO.

I don't believe he necessarily "had to be local to know the area" either. I just think he was local because he kidnapped Holly Bobo of Darden TN, and the most likely person to have done that is someone who knew Holly Bobo.

I'm not sure what "the little blue pill" is.

Yep, there are many absconded RSOs & many more unregistered; hundreds of thousands, as shown in the Megan Maxwell abduction/rape murder & the suspect in Britanee Drexel case(NC), etc.

RE: I don't think this was a game to him; at least I can discern no playful element here on his part. The lunch packet and the cell phone seem to have been strewn about willy nilly, and their locations seem to me to have been ones a local would have used. They may, however and perhaps, have been placed where they were in order to taunt.

Not sure what the meth labs suggest, other than that Holly might have knowledge of someone dealing meth and that was what got her kidnapped.

Game to him; not to humanity, wfgodot...Victims to a psychopath are only objects, playtoys. Analogous to pawns in a game of chess..

The lunch packet & duct tape location(woods/5 points) was more than likely a safe haven til the responding LE subsided. They would have been responding from many directions, I-40 etc.. I was on the search when the cell phone was located. He prolly discarded it enroute to his safe haven/ritual grounds..

I am also the searcher that located the Lexington, TN, Motel keycard that was dismissed by the THP.. It was like new...& located near other significant items located in the Easter search..It was bagged & tagged, yet TBI PIO Helms reported that it was not turned in to evidence. I had words with the THP Officer, due to the perceived hypothesis attitude that I had experienced before in a prior abduction investigation in GA. He said that it prolly had nothing to do with Holly's abduction. I said, 'couldn't the abductor have staged at the motel or took her there after the abduction'? He said, "no we know who took her and he kept her at his house"..
That was 16+ months ago...Perceived hypothesis..why most cases go cold..

RE: Not sure what the meth labs suggest- 'Meth increases Labido, causes tweekers to be very violent, and ignore consequences of their actions, etc..

wishuwerehere

08-01-2012, 12:38 AM

'Sixteen+ months later, who is he, where is he, where is Holly Bobo'? As wfgodot stated, it has been over 470 days since a presser by the TBI. I do remember an article where the TBI PIO Helms stated; 'investigation narrowing' only a few weeks after Holly's abduction.
I only follow stranger sexual predators & I am batting 1,000.. Predators are very calculating, deflective, and creative, as was Holly's abductor.. Predators leave obvious residue..

Consider the LE resources used in the Holly Bobo investigation including the FBI BAU2, wishuwerehere, as well as the $250, 000.00 reward. If this was a local, he/they would be in custody by now..

There was no preabduction plan by DCSO. all LEOs responded to the Bobo's residence and some more than likely passed the predator with Holly Bobo as a hostage, when responding.

It was over a week before a road block was even initiated.. Simply not prepared.. The professional was aware of their professionalism..a cakewalk for him..

bbm And they live among us. That's my point. This predator could have been right under Holly's nose for some time.

Karen Anne RN

08-01-2012, 01:22 AM

SoutheastCanine SearchandRescue
August 11 at 7:00am until August 12 at 1:00pm
Holliday TN
The family's search for Holly Bobo will continue on August 11th and 12th. We will be meeting at 7am again and working until about 1pm. We will announce where we will meet as the search gets closer.

Anyone who would like to register for the search should go to http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. You must pre-register to search. This saves us 2 hours on the day of the search.

If you can't be there, but would like to provide anything else that you think would help please contact Chris Williams at (931) 209-8863.

Must be 18 years old to search.

It is also my understanding that CUE may be here again in August.

Plumeria5

08-01-2012, 01:30 AM

Plumeria5, there is no way to know, but he obviously saw & zoned in on her from somewhere. It may have been from the coon hunt, school, or the grocery story where she worked part time as a cashier.. She was obviously stalked, imo..
I went to the one year anniversary of Holly's abduction. The motel clerk where I stayed in Lexington, TN, said that attendance for the coon hunt was way off in 2012, compared to the 2011 coon hunt where Holly performed.. Who knows?
I met the Bobo family..Felt so sorry for them...
On the Easter search, the one thing that stood out to me was what an assistant principal on my search team shared with me. He said that a few days after Holly's abduction, Karen contacted him and requested that he implement an abduction safety course in the DC school system.. Said that she didn't want this to happen to another child..

Irony: planned the trip of the one year anniversary of Holly's abduction with a GA State Park Official, that I had worked with on another case in GA. He overslept, so I went on to Lexington, TN, without him. When he later arrived at the LX hotel, the desk clerk said that the person in my room had died. He went back home to GA, after hearing the bad news. It was not me, but the person that stayed there the night before. My friend was very surprised when I called him after arriving home..I had to convince him that it was me... LOL
'I wondered why check in was so long'...

I guess I didn't know about Holly performing at the coon hunt. Did she sing?
Do they have some sort of fair before it begins? (I don't like hunting.) :(

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 01:37 AM

http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/meth_lab_maps/2010.jpg

2010 Illegal Meth Labs - USA Tennessee

'POLICING FOR PROFIT" TV 5 Investigative report Nashville-You make the call..
http://www.newschannel5.com/category/211433/nc5-investigates-policing-for-profit

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 01:44 AM

I guess I didn't know about Holly performing at the coon hunt. Did she sing?
Do they have some sort of fair before it begins? (I don't like hunting.) :(

Plumeria5, must be a vegan, huh? LOL, a person has to eat..Like fishin too. Golf was invented for folks that didn't know how to fish or hunt..

Yes, I remember Holly having issues with someone at the coon hunt...
The coon hunt is more about the coon dogs and their performance, imo.. A social gathering.. Most folks that I know say coon hunting is very addictive...

LOL, I mainly take pics now, myself..'Just luv being in the woods..no PCs, TVs, or Cell Phones'...

Whisperer

08-01-2012, 01:58 AM

TN sure seems ripe for pretty girl abductions....and mostly not solved. I think it is way past time that the LE there get with the times and change. This "Keeping things close to the vest" is getting old....real old.

When are the people there going to demand their LE start talking and letting them know what is going on? I get the impression the people are like pawns for LE.

Plumeria5

08-01-2012, 01:59 AM

Plumeria5, must be a vegan, huh? LOL, a person has to eat..Like fishin too. Golf was invented for folks that didn't know how to fish or hunt..

Yes, I remember Holly having issues with someone at the coon hunt...
The coon hunt is more about the coon dogs and their performance, imo.. A social gathering.. Most folks that I know say coon hunting is very addictive...

LOL, I mainly take pics now, myself..'Just luv being in the woods..no PCs, TVs, or Cell Phones'...

Vegetarian...grew up on a dairy farm. :moo:

Whisperer

08-01-2012, 02:09 AM

My reasoning is that there is enough food at the market if you're hungry. I think that the people just like to kill animals. I cant wrap myself around it. Humans can adjust to anything and behavior can be changed by the environment you live in. This I know but somehow I don't think I will every adjust to the killing of animals for sport. I think they do it for fun...as I am sure they have enough money to go to the store.

...family of golfers here..

Whisperer

08-01-2012, 02:12 AM

In any case, I have yet to see a large reward produce any clues or anyone collect on it.

Plumeria5

08-01-2012, 02:15 AM

My reasoning is that there is enough food at the market if you're hungry. I think that the people just like to kill animals. I cant wrap myself around it. Humans can adjust to anything and behavior can be changed by the environment you live in. This I know but somehow I don't think I will every adjust to the killing of animals for sport. I think they do it for fun...as I am sure they have enough money to go to the store.

...family of golfers here..

Totally agree with you, Whisperer.
Miniature golf here. :D

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 02:19 AM

Totally agree with you, Whisperer.
Miniature golf here. :D

You two are kidding right? I've tried eating golf balls...Very chewy..LOL

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 02:27 AM

My reasoning is that there is enough food at the market if you're hungry. I think that the people just like to kill animals. I cant wrap myself around it. Humans can adjust to anything and behavior can be changed by the environment you live in. This I know but somehow I don't think I will every adjust to the killing of animals for sport. I think they do it for fun...as I am sure they have enough money to go to the store.

...family of golfers here..

"Exactly where do you think the store gets their meat, Whisperer"? The hunters that I know eat the game that they kill"..
Much of the game goes to homeless shelters for food...

RE: I am sure they have enough money to go to the store.

"LOL" "so it is OK if you buy the meat, huh"? jeez...

~n/t~

08-01-2012, 06:39 AM

Yep, there are many absconded RSOs & many more unregistered; hundreds of thousands, as shown in the Megan Maxwell abduction/rape murder & the suspect in Britanee Drexel case(NC), etc.

RE: I don't think this was a game to him; at least I can discern no playful element here on his part. The lunch packet and the cell phone seem to have been strewn about willy nilly, and their locations seem to me to have been ones a local would have used. They may, however and perhaps, have been placed where they were in order to taunt.

Not sure what the meth labs suggest, other than that Holly might have knowledge of someone dealing meth and that was what got her kidnapped.

Game to him; not to humanity, wfgodot...Victims to a psychopath are only objects, playtoys. Analogous to pawns in a game of chess..

The lunch packet & duct tape location(woods/5 points) was more than likely a safe haven til the responding LE subsided. They would have been responding from many directions, I-40 etc.. I was on the search when the cell phone was located. He prolly discarded it enroute to his safe haven/ritual grounds..

I am also the searcher that located the Lexington, TN, Motel keycard that was dismissed by the THP.. It was like new...& located near other significant items located in the Easter search..It was bagged & tagged, yet TBI PIO Helms reported that it was not turned in to evidence. I had words with the THP Officer, due to the perceived hypothesis attitude that I had experienced before in a prior abduction investigation in GA. He said that it prolly had nothing to do with Holly's abduction. I said, 'couldn't the abductor have staged at the motel or took her there after the abduction'? He said, "no we know who took her and he kept her at his house"..That was 16+ months ago...Perceived hypothesis..why most cases go cold..

RE: Not sure what the meth labs suggest- 'Meth increases Labido, causes tweekers to be very violent, and ignore consequences of their actions, etc..

bbm :what:

I agree with you on the perceived hyothesis and why so many cases go cold.

~n/t~

08-01-2012, 06:51 AM

AND SO, Foxfire, these are many interesting - and some of them quite compelling - facts and observations, ones I have enjoyed reading. And which have given me pause, and thus have made me think

First of all, it does not necessarily follow that a large reward in a small town is guaranteed to produce an arrest. Fear can overcome even a strong financial incentive. And fear can be stronger in a small town, where there may be no place to hide.

That LE "passed the predator when responding" is a surmise. Perhaps, or not. At times I've thought so too.

As for being a professional sex predator, as wishyouwerehere notes, this person is not, then, especially a good one, taking Holly when in fact he was being observed doing so by her brother, and also having probably to punch Holly - and thus leave blood evidence of abduction - before he could gain her compliance.

If we are to believe Clint, this person did not gain immediate compliance from Holly.

Certainly this could have been his first outing, his first foray into the field, but you say he is familiar with many things and is thus experienced.

I don't think this was a game to him; at least I can discern no playful element here on his part. The lunch packet and the cell phone seem to have been strewn about willy nilly, and their locations seem to me to have been ones a local would have used. They may, however and perhaps, have been placed where they were in order to taunt.

Not sure what the meth labs suggest, other than that Holly might have knowledge of someone dealing meth and that was what got her kidnapped.

Porn stores do in fact attract seedy types; but these seedy types generally seek private means of satisfaction where the participant is one person.

Truckers, travelers, transients: perhaps these types travel with their ready-to-wear camo; perhaps not.

That a cross-country trucker may be the perpetrator is compelling - though it does not fit the circumstances of Holly's disappearance, viz., another means of transport, independent of an eighteen-wheeler, would have had to come into play.

I do think this is someone with a prior criminal record, though probably not an RSO.

I don't believe he necessarily "had to be local to know the area" either. I just think he was local because he kidnapped Holly Bobo of Darden TN, and the most likely person to have done that is someone who knew Holly Bobo.

I'm not sure what "the little blue pill" is.

If the perp had a criminal record, wouldn't his DNA be in the database? If so, are we to believe he didn't leave any DNA behind when he/she abducted Holly?

Is the blue pill meth related? :waitasec:

Quad

08-01-2012, 06:52 AM

I believe the blue pill is viagra

~n/t~

08-01-2012, 07:01 AM

I just can't make the meth connection to this case with the little information we know. There are so many other much more plausible theories than some dope head abducting Holly because she may have known too much (??) Is that what the meth theory is? Did someone have a meth lab on the Bobo property? It's so difficult to even speculate on that without any basis whatsoever. :moo:

~n/t~

08-01-2012, 07:03 AM

I believe the blue pill is viagra

Oh ok.....I wondered if it was that. Thanks

I'm still :waitasec:

~n/t~

08-01-2012, 07:05 AM

Maybe that's what the Bobos meant by the public not knowing the truth? :waitasec:

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 11:20 AM

bbm :what:

I agree with you on the perceived hyothesis and why so many cases go cold.

'~n/t~, perceived hypothesis, & a shoddy investigation is why the Adam Walsh case went cold for over two decades'..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/adam-walsh-murder-john-reve-walsh-live-investigation/story?id=13037931&page=2

Adam Walsh Murder: John and Reve Walsh Re-Live the Investigation

March 2, 2011
"Ego was involved and tunnel vision," Mathews said of Hoffman. "And the tunnel vision is that you come up with your own hypothesis as to what took place and you work that case to validate your own hypothesis."

Hoffman declined a request for comment by "Nightline."

After combing through the case file, Mathews made a major discovery: a roll of film from the crime scene of Ottis Toole's car -- it was film that the original detectives never bothered to have developed.

Pictures show bloody footprints on the driver's side of Toole's car. On the rear floorboard of the car -- where Toole admitted to tossing Adam's severed head -- pictures show the bloody outline of a face.

believe09

08-01-2012, 11:30 AM

I am also the searcher that located the Lexington, TN, Motel keycard that was dismissed by the THP.. It was like new...& located near other significant items located in the Easter search..It was bagged & tagged, yet TBI PIO Helms reported that it was not turned in to evidence. I had words with the THP Officer, due to the perceived hypothesis attitude that I had experienced before in a prior abduction investigation in GA. He said that it prolly had nothing to do with Holly's abduction. I said, 'couldn't the abductor have staged at the motel or took her there after the abduction'? He said, "no we know who took her and he kept her at his house"..
That was 16+ months ago...Perceived hypothesis..why most cases go cold..

Foxfire, from your post-are you a verified insider or SAR in the Bobo case? TIA.

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 11:35 AM

If the perp had a criminal record, wouldn't his DNA be in the database? If so, are we to believe he didn't leave any DNA behind when he/she abducted Holly?

Is the blue pill meth related? :waitasec:

Not all US States have DNA laws & many states have only passed them in the last few years. Many convicted felon's DNA has never been added to FBI CODIS.. This is why the Familial DNA Laws are so important..

The little blue pill; Viagra, extends the age that sexual predators remain active, who may otherwise become impotent. Many sexual predators/SKs that have been apprehended as of late were in their 60s... JMHO

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 11:40 AM

Foxfire, from your post-are you a verified insider or SAR in the Bobo case? TIA.

believe09, no I am not a verified insider, although I am a member of a SAR org. I went on the Holly Bobo search strictly as an independent volunteer searcher.

Why do you ask..

believe09

08-01-2012, 11:44 AM

Not all US States have DNA laws & many states have only passed them in the last few years. Many convicted felon's DNA has never been added to FBI CODIS.. This is why the Familial DNA Laws are so important..

The little blue pill; Viagra, extends the age that sexual predators remain active, who may otherwise become impotent. Many sexual predators/SKs that have been apprehended as of late were in their 60s... JMHO

http://www.nij.gov/journals/264/debating-DNA-growth.htm

Today, all 50 states have passed their own statutes that require certain offenders to provide a DNA sample for inclusion in CODIS, the federal Combined DNA Index System database, and state databases after conviction. Indeed, many states, beginning with Colorado in 1988, had statutes mandating DNA collection from various offenders post-conviction that preceded the federal government’s move. Often these laws began with a focus on sex offenders (and today, all states collect DNA from sex offenders), although Virginia made its legal debut in this arena with a law mandating collection from all convicted felons. DNA Backlog Elimination Act 2000

Accordingly, Congress passed the DNA Analysis Backlog Elimination Act of 2000 ("DNA Act"), 42 U.S.C. § 14135 et seq., which authorizes the "Attorney General to make grants to eligible States . . . to carry out, for the inclusion in the Combined DNA Index System of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, DNA analyses of samples taken from individuals convicted of a qualifying State offenses." 42 U.S.C. § 14135(a)(1). Moreover, the DNA Act provides that "the Director of the Bureau of Prisons shall collect a DNA sample from each individual in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons who is, or has been, convicted of a qualifying Federal offense" and that "the probation office responsible for the supervision under Federal law of an individual on probation, parole, or supervised release shall collect a DNA sample from each such individual who is or has been, convicted of a qualifying Federal offense." 42 U.S.C. § 15135a(a)(1)-(2). In addition, Congress has mandated the collection of DNA samples from "each individual in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons who is, or has been convicted of a qualifying District of Columbia offense" or any "individual under the supervision of the Agency who is on supervised release, parole, or probation who is, or has been convicted of a qualifying District of Columbia offense." 42 U.S.C. § 14135b(a)(1)-(2). Congress left to the District of Columbia the responsibility of determining which offenses under the District of Columbia Code should be deemed qualifying offenses. 42 U.S.C. § 14135b(d). The District of Columbia has determined that forty-nine separate offense qualify for collection under the DNA Act. See, D.C. Code § 22-4151(1)-(46). These qualifying offense include, for example, arson, aggravated assault, burglary, kidnaping, robbery, attempted robber and carjacking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carjacking). Id.

believe09

08-01-2012, 11:48 AM

believe09, no I am not a verified insider, although I am a member of a SAR org. I went on the Holly Bobo search strictly as an independent volunteer searcher.

Why do you ask..

Well, we do have a number of verified proffessional insiders and SAR members here at WS and on this thread. It helps us as posters give proper weight to their posts and the experiences that they relate. No offense to you, but for example I could claim to be anyone and take this thread off of the rails with more rumor etc. This case has already experienced a heart breaking amount of it.

That is why I asked.

believe09

08-01-2012, 11:50 AM

Here is who we have listed as insiders and SAR:
K9 SAR & Police
SAR management
justtoseeyousmile
k9snoop
Oriah
Sarx
K-9 Chaser is a verified SAR dog handler
indepmo is a verified SAR
MTrooper is a verified SAR

Holly Bobo Case
greengreen is a verified local
notinmycommunity
Won'tforgetusername
Nehemiah

imamaze

08-01-2012, 11:50 AM

believe09, no I am not a verified insider, although I am a member of a SAR org. I went on the Holly Bobo search strictly as an independent volunteer searcher.

Why do you ask..

If you would like to be verified as a professional poster, such as an insider/local, doctor, lawyer, chemist, or whatever your profession, then please do the following:
Email Websleuths at : wsverify@xmission.com
In your email please include:
*The case
*Your Websleuths name
*Your real name
*Your phone number and a good time to call
In the subject line put either the case you are interested in or the profession you wish to verify.
Thank you!

Foxfire, this includes SAR, or even posting as a searcher in Holly's case if you are going to post info that can't be verified thru the media or law enforcement.

Thanks

Ima

believe09

08-01-2012, 11:51 AM

Always room for more verified!!! :)

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 11:54 AM

I just can't make the meth connection to this case with the little information we know. There are so many other much more plausible theories than some dope head abducting Holly because she may have known too much (??) Is that what the meth theory is? Did someone have a meth lab on the Bobo property? It's so difficult to even speculate on that without any basis whatsoever. :moo:

~n/t~, I wasn't implying that Holly Bobo's abduction was related to her involvement with meth/drugs in any way.

Holly Bobo & her family are the innocent victims in this tragedy.

I have been researching sexual predators/serial killers for years and the one common denominator that comes up in virtually every case is the drug/meth connection..

Montjoy

08-01-2012, 11:58 AM

I have been researching sexual predators/serial killers for years and the one common denominator that comes up in virtually every case is the drug/meth connection..

I'm sorry, do you have a source for this? It seems like a huge overstatement that does a disservice to the psychopathology of serial murderers and sexual predators (which really shouldn't be grouped together anyhow).

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 12:17 PM

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/blame-the-brain-psychopaths-are-wired-differently/632

My observations of patterns from researching sexual predators & psychopathic serial killers from the 1980s to the present.
There seems to be the common denominator of methamphetamine use/abuse. From Pastors to Politicians, seems no one is excluded. Meth seems to be the catalyst for psychopaths to act out their fantasies, and create new psychopathic tendencies in otherwise normal personalities..

Just my opinion and observations.
Wished some of our more studied members/verified posters would contribute their thoughts on the possible Meth connection..and pysychopathic personalities.

Blame the brain: Psychopaths are wired differently

The same reward system in the brain that hooks people to drugs might also explain why some people act like psychopaths.

We know that cold-blooded criminals lack empathy and fear — and are, by societal standards, a bit odd. But new research shows that it is not the traits that psychopaths lack that make them behave badly, it’s the traits that they do have. Not only are psychopaths impulsive, they like to take risks and seek out rewards.

So-called psychopathic traits have been linked to a disruption in the dopamine reward circuitry in the brain. And it is this disruption that drives psychopaths to want money, sex, or fame, in extreme ways.
Read more-

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 12:23 PM

I'm sorry, do you have a source for this? It seems like a huge overstatement that does a disservice to the psychopathology of serial murderers and sexual predators (which really shouldn't be grouped together anyhow).

Thanx, Montjoy, interesting...What is your opinion as to why sexual predators & serial murderers shouldn't be grouped together..

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 12:27 PM

Always room for more verified!!! :)

K..believe09..

Montjoy

08-01-2012, 12:36 PM

Thanx, Montjoy, interesting...What is your opinion as to why sexual predators & serial murderers shouldn't be grouped together..

Because they are different. Not all SKs have sexual motives.

Your reply fails to address my question, and neither link you provide in the post above works. It doesn't really matter as an email and a blog could not support what you asserted above.

Oriah

08-01-2012, 12:47 PM

Bumping Holly's FBI sanctioned MP/kidnapped poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

and her NCMEC poster:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 01:34 PM

Because they are different. Not all SKs have sexual motives.

Your reply fails to address my question, and neither link you provide in the post above works. It doesn't really matter as an email and a blog could not support what you asserted above.

Sorry about the bad links, Montjoy.. and not all sexual predators are motived by sex..
I realize that there are many studies of psychopathic traits. Just thought this one conducted at Vandy University was interesting.

Blame the brain: Psychopaths are wired differently

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/blame-the-brain-psychopaths-are-wired-differently/632

Foxfire

08-01-2012, 03:13 PM

'Both the 2011 TN Governor's Public Safety Action Plan & the passing of the Familial DNA Law in TN are very positive steps, imo. I believe that Holly Bobo's abduction was instrumental in these improvements of public safety in TN'.

Prepared for Governor Haslam by Subcabinet Working Group

http://news.tn.gov/system/files/PU... ...

Summary of Goals and Objectives

OBJECTIVES

Tackle violent street crime plaguing many communities and neighborhoods.
(snipped - Read More- Much More)

Haslam Unveils Comprehensive Public Safety Strategy | TN.gov Newsroom
news.tn.gov
NASHVILLE – Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam today announced a comprehensive, multi-year action plan designed to improve public safety statewide.
_____________________________

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0260.pdf

HOUSE BILL 1823
By Lundberg
SENATE BILL 260
By Ramsey
AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 38,
relative to familial DNA searching.

38-6-1__.
(a) By January 1, 2012, the Tennessee bureau of investigation shall establish a
state policy and uniform procedures authorizing familial DNA searches in certain criminal
investigations.

believe09

08-01-2012, 06:03 PM

Bumping Holly's FBI sanctioned MP/kidnapped poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

and her NCMEC poster:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Just to get Holly's thread back on track...I realize that the results of the active search this weekend are not to be discussed, but I am praying for the Bobo family and those who are devoted to recovering Holly!!

believe09

08-01-2012, 06:06 PM

SoutheastCanine SearchandRescue
August 11 at 7:00am until August 12 at 1:00pm
Holliday TN
The family's search for Holly Bobo will continue on August 11th and 12th. We will be meeting at 7am again and working until about 1pm. We will announce where we will meet as the search gets closer.

Anyone who would like to register for the search should go to http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. You must pre-register to search. This saves us 2 hours on the day of the search.

If you can't be there, but would like to provide anything else that you think would help please contact Chris Williams at (931) 209-8863.

Must be 18 years old to search.

It is also my understanding that CUE may be here again in August.

Bump-ity

SmoothOperator

08-01-2012, 06:50 PM

Posted June 28, 2009 at midnight

"Folks, the TBI is simply not utilizing their most valuable tool in missing persons investigations; the American public"... due to their antiquated strategy of silence....look at the Mayes Case, or the Mickey Schunick Case. Both were solved due to an aware citizen's tip"..
RSBM..
The above BBM.. And there in lies a huge, huge, huge part of the problem negatively impacting these cases thereby leaving countless numbers of them open, inactive, and unsolved.. Frustrating to say the least..

I won't derail the thread with the frustrating and mind numbing talk of TBI so I will leave at this..

Of course I am speaking as a citizen, layman, that doesn't have all the inside knowledge(tho with many of these cases I truly believe there really isn't all that much inside knowledge..jmo)..but it is frustrating and induces a bit of crazy if ya sit and dwell on it for too long.. To see a repeated process.. Or SOP that is used in these cases that yield NOTHING!!.. Nothing at all for anyone.. Not for the victims.. Not for their loved ones.. Not for justice or for the communities.. Therefor IMO it's almost as is the actual definition of crazy..

When you continue to repeat the same processes, actions, etc over and over yet are actually believing the end result will somehow be different.. Well that's crazy.. And as I said frustratingly appears to be how the investigations especially in my area of the country(TN) are continued to be handled.. I pray to God something never happEns to me while residing here in TN because I fully realize the chances of my being found, my family receiving closure are slim to none while on the bright side those that are responsible for these women's abductions, murders, etc.. Well.. Theyve got it made and are free to continue on inevitably one day again to make another.. Or many other females innocent victims as well..:sigh:

nosyone

08-01-2012, 10:26 PM

I have been scouring the web repeatedly to search for any information on Holly that I can glean, and a prevailing theme that I have been reading on numerous websites, is that the recent searches and renewed interest in the case is from a tip that was called in. Has anyone heard anything concerning a phone tip?

Karen Anne RN

08-02-2012, 12:46 AM

I have been scouring the web repeatedly to search for any information on Holly that I can glean, and a prevailing theme that I have been reading on numerous websites, is that the recent searches and renewed interest in the case is from a tip that was called in. Has anyone heard anything concerning a phone tip?

It was said on the show "America's Most Wanted" that they had received a tip, or some tips, I don't remember which; it was on the show recently aired in their segment on Holly.

I couldn't really say if or not any tips have generated any searches; however, I found out recently that there have been searches done here on a regular basis, for a very long time. They just weren't announced publicly. These are being done by a private SAR team.

As I understand it, searches by this group are going to continue on a regular basis.
The link I posted a few pages back, is a group that will be here regularly. They were just here recently, and they will be here next, on Aug 11 and 12.

Also, I believe that Monica Caison and her group CUE, will be here this month, and will be here again after that if necessary.

All we need is volunteers to help with the foot searches, and other tasks.

cluciano63

08-02-2012, 01:42 AM

When private SAR teams come in, on what are they basing their search areas?

Karen Anne RN

08-02-2012, 01:55 AM

When private SAR teams come in, on what are they basing their search areas?

I'm sure there are many things that are factored in.

When a family brings in a private team, they are involved in some decision making and input.

One of our SAR members could provide some good information on your question.

Whisperer

08-02-2012, 02:19 AM

You two are kidding right? I've tried eating golf balls...Very chewy..LOL

:floorlaugh:

Whisperer

08-02-2012, 02:26 AM

"Exactly where do you think the store gets their meat, Whisperer"? The hunters that I know eat the game that they kill"..
Much of the game goes to homeless shelters for food...

RE: I am sure they have enough money to go to the store.

"LOL" "so it is OK if you buy the meat, huh"? jeez...

I expected this response. I can't stop the markets from putting the meat out in their cases. With all the surplus there, why kill more? I say the people like to kill the animals. It is a way of life...and the people that gravitate there are likely hunters or support their hunting buddies/husbands/fathers/sons. I think they were indoctrinated into that way of life by living there.

I shutter and cant' sleep at night when I hear a coyote on the prowl on the golf course. I worry about the wild turkeys that come to the window. I am just thankful there are no hunters on the course. I doubt I could survive in the wildnerness of Darden, TN...

Plumeria5

08-02-2012, 03:50 AM

Clint and Whitney taking a break during recent search for Holly.

25194

believe09

08-02-2012, 05:59 AM

I couldn't really say if or not any tips have generated any searches; however, I found out recently that there have been searches done here on a regular basis, for a very long time. They just weren't announced publicly. These are being done by a private SAR team.

From your post, Karen Anne. I suspected as much fwiw and I hope that eases the minds of those who think no reported activity means no activity.

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 06:01 AM

~n/t~, I wasn't implying that Holly Bobo's abduction was related to her involvement with meth/drugs in any way.

Holly Bobo & her family are the innocent victims in this tragedy.

I have been researching sexual predators/serial killers for years and the one common denominator that comes up in virtually every case is the drug/meth connection..

Not sure I agree with you regarding the drug/meth connection but back to Holly's case, what is your theory? A meth addicted psychopath sex offender dressed in turkey hunting camouflage who just happened on the Bobo property and Holly was a victim of being at the wrong place at the wrong time? Would you say this character was a local?

You posted your opinion regarding psycopaths up thread and it's mentioned that the psychopath has an extreme drive when it comes to money, sex or fame.

We can assume it wasn't for fame. We can almost assume it wasn't for money because it doesn't appear to have been a robbery (unless we believe the home invasion part announced early on) but nothing as far as we know was taken from the property. So, that leaves us with sex.

My opinion is that this character was not a stranger and this was not a random abduction. When the perp is caught we can label him. At this time, from what I know about this case, the perp is a rookie who has never done this before. Not a stranger to the Bobo family. :moo:

Karen Anne RN

08-02-2012, 06:09 AM

From your post, Karen Anne. I suspected as much fwiw and I hope that eases the minds of those who think no reported activity means no activity.

I was shocked. I thought that nothing was being done; no searches, etc.

Then I find out they've been here regularly for a very long time.

During the space of 4 weeks that we are currently in, they will have been here twice.

And Monica was just here recently, and she's coming back again this month too.

I'm not as irritated now as I used to be.

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 06:25 AM

It appears this is a very religious community. I'm not SAR but I would highly recommend searching any "religious" properties such as churches, cemetaries, etc. It might be a little too late unfortunately to discover any disturbed earth (grounds) but if I was part of the search team, that is where I would search.

If the perp is a local as I theorized, IMO he/she and/or his family would have had remorse and buried Holly in a religious location and adorned her burial place with a religious symbol such as a cross, etc.

:moo:

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 06:47 AM

fwiw....Karen Swift's body was found near a cemetary.

http://global.christianpost.com/news/karen-swift-murder-investigation-commences-as-body-is-found-video-64821/

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 12:10 PM

Here is the part I am missing-why should LE straighten anything out for the general public via media or otherwise?

'The American Public is a very valuable tool in missing/murdered persons investigations, analogous to an audio video camera across the USA'..

We live in the age of communications. To ignore this valuable tool & resource speaks volumes, imo.

The antiquated strategy of holding info close to the vest in investigations & silence by LE only causes innocent victims lives and mounting cold cases, imo..

One only has to consider the tremendous success of John Walsh/AMW's captures of america's most wanted fugitives due to aware citizens tips..

http://www.facebook.com/johnwalshofficial

You're doing a great job posting your cases here on Facebook. It is bitter sweet for me to see your overwhelming response, but it is sad to see so many lives affected by crime. Keep them coming -- our Social Media Manhunt Show will be on in a couple of weeks!

_________________

Your tips have done it again! Isaac Amos was arrested this morning in Florida thanks to an alert AMW viewer. Keep up the great work!
http://www.amw.com/captures/brief.cfm?id=79586

believe09

08-02-2012, 12:30 PM

'The American Public is a very valuable tool in missing/murdered persons investigations, analogous to an audio video camera across the USA'..

We live in the age of communications. To ignore this valuable tool & resource speaks volumes, imo.

The antiquated strategy of holding info close to the vest in investigations & silence by LE only causes innocent victims lives and mounting cold cases, imo..

One only has to consider the tremendous success of John Walsh/AMW's captures of america's most wanted fugitives due to aware citizens tips..

http://www.facebook.com/johnwalshofficial

You're doing a great job posting your cases here on Facebook. It is bitter sweet for me to see your overwhelming response, but it is sad to see so many lives affected by crime. Keep them coming -- our Social Media Manhunt Show will be on in a couple of weeks!

_________________

Your tips have done it again! Isaac Amos was arrested this morning in Florida thanks to an alert AMW viewer. Keep up the great work!
http://www.amw.com/captures/brief.cfm?id=79586

Holly's case has had and continues to have a tremendous amount of media interest, so I guess I am missing your point.

And as we have recently learned, there continues to be ongoing law enforcement activity and private SAR groups in the area. Holly isnt forgotten-LE has not stopped looking for her. IMO, that probably indicates an active investigation that is some what covert-likely for a good reason. Again IMO.

Montjoy

08-02-2012, 12:57 PM

We live in the age of communications. To ignore this valuable tool & resource speaks volumes, imo.

Even if it was true that LE was 'ignoring this tool' (which seems highly disputable), what 'volumes' would you say that it speaks in this case?

wfgodot

08-02-2012, 01:14 PM

Any larger LE entity that does not use social media is running way behind. Instead, the discussion gets dominated by TC-like sites, pray for Holly sites, let's find Holly sites, and true crime discussion blogs, the majority of which are laughable-if-this-weren't-so-serious and spread a plethora of misinformation and illogical surmise across the internet.

What would be so tough in LE sponsoring its own FB page, at least to let the public know they were still at least thinking about HB? Nothing could be easier. Have the public info officer type a couple sentences a day. Keep the word about the large reward out there and current.

To be even just a little more transparent - even if you reveal nothing whatsoever about your investigation (or "investigation," which seems to be the case here, because hey - who knows?) might just bring that tip that solves this case. But all one can do as of now, internet-wise is visit the TBI site and count the days since the last press release.

Thank God for WS, where we can at least commiserate with one another.

Karen Anne RN

08-02-2012, 01:43 PM

Thank God for WS, where we can at least commiserate with one another.

No kidding.

And we can talk about what we think, how we feel, and not be jumped on and slammed face first into the concrete.

I remember there was a law enforcement search here recently. I'm thinking that they may have been doing a search about the same time Monica was here.

I kind of think they were doing their search on their own, but I'm not positive.

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 02:01 PM

Any larger LE entity that does not use social media is running way behind. Instead, the discussion gets dominated by TC-like sites, pray for Holly sites, let's find Holly sites, and true crime discussion blogs, the majority of which are laughable-if-this-weren't-so-serious and spread a plethora of misinformation and illogical surmise across the internet.

What would be so tough in LE sponsoring its own FB page, at least to let the public know they were still at least thinking about HB? Nothing could be easier. Have the public info officer type a couple sentences a day. Keep the word about the large reward out there and current.

To be even just a little more transparent - even if you reveal nothing whatsoever about your investigation (or "investigation," which seems to be the case here, because hey - who knows?) might just bring that tip that solves this case. But all one can do as of now, internet-wise is visit the TBI site and count the days since the last press release.

Thank God for WS, where we can at least commiserate with one another.

Very well said Wfgodot...

Disgusted

08-02-2012, 02:19 PM

I had words with the THP Officer, due to the perceived hypothesis attitude that I had experienced before in a prior abduction investigation in GA. He said that it prolly had nothing to do with Holly's abduction. I said, 'couldn't the abductor have staged at the motel or took her there after the abduction'? He said, "no we know who took her and he kept her at his house"..
That was 16+ months ago...Perceived hypothesis..why most cases go cold..

If the above is to be believed, I'm shocked this isn't getting more discussion here. The above, if true, would seem to me to be the most important piece of information ever posted here regarding the case.

Rather than taking the leap that it was a wrong perceived hypothesis, I would lean more to assuming if law enforcement made that statement that they, and the Bobos, know what happened and simply can't prove it.

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 02:33 PM

Even if it was true that LE was 'ignoring this tool' (which seems highly disputable), what 'volumes' would you say that it speaks in this case?

Montjoy, ignoring this valuable tool disputable? The volumes that I speak of is the deafening silence; the refusal by the TBI to give a press briefing in 472 days..

Media management by LE in missing/murdered persons investigations is critical for a positive outcome. If you take a walk back in time to Darden, TN, on 04/13/2011 and the days/weeks of the initial investigation.

You will witness at least four different spokespersons/PIOs from DCSO & the TBI. Each PIO contradicting and correcting the statements of the ones and prior..
This was not an effective media management strategy, but a recipe for confusion, insuring a lack of transparency, with disasterous results which we are witnessing over 16 months later..

I realize that many folks prolly interpret my comments to be anti Law Enforcement. I am very pro Law Enforcement/Public Safety.. 'Without public safety for our families, we have nothing'..

wishuwerehere

08-02-2012, 03:39 PM

Montjoy, ignoring this valuable tool disputable? The volumes that I speak of is the deafening silence; the refusal by the TBI to give a press briefing in 472 days..

Media management by LE in missing/murdered persons investigations is critical for a positive outcome. If you take a walk back in time to Darden, TN, on 04/13/2011 and the days/weeks of the initial investigation.

You will witness at least four different spokespersons/PIOs from DCSO & the TBI. Each PIO contradicting and correcting the statements of the ones and prior..
This was not an effective media management strategy, but a recipe for confusion, insuring a lack of transparency, with disasterous results which we are witnessing over 16 months later..
I realize that many folks prolly interpret my comments to be anti Law Enforcement. I am very pro Law Enforcement/Public Safety.. 'Without public safety for our families, we have nothing'..

bbm
Yes. Early on LE publicly stated that Clint and Drew were cleared. A short time later LE (I’m not sure if it was the same branch) came out and stated no one was cleared. IMO LE cast doubt and suspicion in a way to make it look like some people close to Holly are guilty of something. If LE doesn’t want to give the public any info re evidence found, I get it. But why not clear the air, KWIM?

Oriah

08-02-2012, 06:43 PM

Any larger LE entity that does not use social media is running way behind. Instead, the discussion gets dominated by TC-like sites, pray for Holly sites, let's find Holly sites, and true crime discussion blogs, the majority of which are laughable-if-this-weren't-so-serious and spread a plethora of misinformation and illogical surmise across the internet.

What would be so tough in LE sponsoring its own FB page, at least to let the public know they were still at least thinking about HB? Nothing could be easier. Have the public info officer type a couple sentences a day. Keep the word about the large reward out there and current.

To be even just a little more transparent - even if you reveal nothing whatsoever about your investigation (or "investigation," which seems to be the case here, because hey - who knows?) might just bring that tip that solves this case. But all one can do as of now, internet-wise is visit the TBI site and count the days since the last press release.

Thank God for WS, where we can at least commiserate with one another.

BBM:
But...but... they do. Everyday that this is not gone:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

is a press release. Kwim?

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 07:17 PM

Yes, I know there are legions who check that site daily, not. Social media is a changing thing, something one thinks to check. A government site is as still, and eventually as brackish, as water in a weed-choked pond. There is no out there about it. It's as soon as useless as wanted posters in a post office used to be. It does not engage, it does not dialogue. It becomes, in fact, an act of forgetting, which may as well be headed, "In Memoriam."

I agree 100%. Also, imo, if it wasn't for the locals and caring people like Karen Anne who lets the public know searches are being conducted and volunteers are needed, how in the world do folks find out about the searches?

Check this out. Another caring person stumbled upon WS through FB referrals to ask for help.

Help needed - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

This case is just so bizarre in so many ways. What is with all the secrecy for pete's sake. There is a missing young lady and not one peep from MSM or even local media? What happened to Jackson Sun and The Tennessean? Did they give up?

wfgodot

08-02-2012, 07:17 PM

BBM:
But...but... they do. Everyday that this is not gone:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

is a press release. Kwim?
Yes, I know there are legions who check that site daily (not). Social media is alive, is a changing thing, something one thinks to check. The ever-sameness of a poster on a government site is as still, and eventually as brackish, as water in a weed-choked pond. There is no out there about it. It does not engage, it does not dialogue. It becomes, in effect, as time goes on, an act of forgetting, which may as well be titled, in a missing persons case like this one, "In Memoriam."

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 07:18 PM

wfgodot: Did you delete your post or was it deleted? :waitasec:

ETA: Nevermind it's there now. Now it looks like I replied to a post before you posted. lol

wfgodot

08-02-2012, 07:22 PM

wfgodot: Did you delete your post or was it deleted? :waitasec:

ETA: Nevermind it's there now. Now it looks like I replied to a post before you posted. lol
Twilight Zone.....oooooh scary! I deleted it because I wanted to change a word but got one of those Last edited at: things, which I deplore. So I just did it again, lol.

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 07:24 PM

Thankfully Lifetime picked up AMW..

"Why is it so difficult to understand how valuable the American public is in fighting crime, locating violent fugitives, and in missing/murdered persons investigations"?

John Walsh, Host of "America's Most Wanted."

The fugitives of the U.S. may be heaving a sigh of relief at the news that the television show America's Most Wanted is no more. After 23 years of profiling the dregs of the criminal underworld — directly leading to 1,154 arrests by law-enforcement agencies — the show was canceled in May by Fox, and its final episode aired last month.

The close working relationships that host John Walsh cultivated with the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service over the years was an unprecedented collaboration between law enforcement and television. It was one of the very first reality shows that resulted in great TV and did a lot of good. Its cancellation leaves a hole both of those agencies will now need to fill.

"This is a big hit for us. The show is invaluable," says Geoff Shank, assistant director of investigative operations for the U.S. Marshals Service. "We have arrested so many heinous people and we've saved so many lives because of America's Most Wanted."

Kevin Perkins, assistant director of the FBI's criminal-investigations division, echoes the sentiment. "I personally hate to see it go," Perkins tells TIME. "We had 17 of our most wanted fugitives captured because of them and over 550 different cases solved as a result of tips."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2085343,00.html#ixzz22QxYvSw8

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 07:25 PM

Twilight Zone.....oooooh scary! I deleted it because I wanted to change a word but got one of those Last edited at: things, which I deplore. So I just did it again, lol.

You get a bronze medal for that move.

wfgodot

08-02-2012, 07:28 PM

You get a bronze medal for that move.
In the 4 x 400m revision relay.

~n/t~

08-02-2012, 07:29 PM

Thankfully Lifetime picked up AMW..

"Why is it so difficult to understand how valuable the American public is in fighting crime, locating violent fugitives, and in missing/murdered persons investigations"?

John Walsh, Host of "America's Most Wanted."

The fugitives of the U.S. may be heaving a sigh of relief at the news that the television show America's Most Wanted is no more. After 23 years of profiling the dregs of the criminal underworld — directly leading to 1,154 arrests by law-enforcement agencies — the show was canceled in May by Fox, and its final episode aired last month.

The close working relationships that host John Walsh cultivated with the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service over the years was an unprecedented collaboration between law enforcement and television. It was one of the very first reality shows that resulted in great TV and did a lot of good. Its cancellation leaves a hole both of those agencies will now need to fill.

"This is a big hit for us. The show is invaluable," says Geoff Shank, assistant director of investigative operations for the U.S. Marshals Service. "We have arrested so many heinous people and we've saved so many lives because of America's Most Wanted."

Kevin Perkins, assistant director of the FBI's criminal-investigations division, echoes the sentiment. "I personally hate to see it go," Perkins tells TIME. "We had 17 of our most wanted fugitives captured because of them and over 550 different cases solved as a result of tips."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2085343,00.html#ixzz22QxYvSw8

Indeed. Marc Klaas also advocates media support to all missing persons family members. Every case that I've followed, he states it loud and clear that family members have to be in front of the cameras for the sake of their missing loved one. If they don't, nobody else will. They have to be the voice.

:moo:

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 07:36 PM

You get a bronze medal for that move.

Not so sure he wants a bronze medal..LOL

“U.S. Olympic athletes are liable to pay income tax on medals ... and a bronze medal winner must pay $3502 on the medal and the $10000 honorarium.”

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 07:39 PM

Indeed. Marc Klaas also advocates media support to all missing persons family members. Every case that I've followed, he states it loud and clear that family members have to be in front of the cameras for the sake of their missing loved one. If they don't, nobody else will. They have to be the voice.

:moo:

'Yep ~n/t~, and when Marc Klaas, speaks, most reasonable thinking people listen'..

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 08:09 PM

http://www.examiner.com/article/holly-bobo-big-city-crime-comes-to-small-tight-knit-community-safety-tips

This article is a result of requests from locals in Decatur County who fear their neighbors may not be aware of the dangers within their own and neighboring communities. They want to raise awareness so that what happened to Holly never happens again. Locals referenced in this article have asked to remain anonymous.

Asked how the local community of Decatur County is coping with the fact that Holly's abductor is still on the loose, one local resident said, "I would say it is fair to say it is changing the community.

"People began locking their doors due to meth addicts some years ago - but not out of fear of abduction. I know a woman whose home is located on a large property who says she's not letting her teenage boys out of her sight at this time."

The local source added, "People need to be aware that these types of predators DO live amongst them, I think there has been a false sense of security, this kind of awareness is great, some of the stuff people 'just don't talk about.'

"I think tension is high, people will be carrying weapons that might not otherwise carry them, and I think the law will overlook this," the source said. "Hopefully no innocent people get hurt before this is resolved and Holly's abductor is found."

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 08:45 PM

'From a phone conservation with Isabelle Zehnder, Missing Persons Examiner after the Easter weekend search'-

http://www.examiner.com/article/holly-bobo-big-city-crime-comes-to-small-tight-knit-community-safety-tips

Pornography and drugs - precursors to crime and deviancy

On Saturday morning an out-of-state volunteer searcher asked, "What would you expect to see as you pulled off the highway and drove into the town of Parsons?"

My initial response, "A church."

The volunteer said that's exactly what he would have expected, too. "I expected to see a little white church with a very high steeple on every corner," he said.

Instead, he said when he took the exit off I-40 at Hwy 69 the first building he observed was a pornography toy and stip club shop - somewhat of a sex emporium in a building that reminded him of a big fireworks warehouse.

He said he saw about 200 cars in the parking lot - this was just before noon on a Saturday morning. A short drive from there was the University of Tennessee Martin Nursing satelite school that Holly Bobo attended.

"That was her destination on that tragic morning of April 13," he said.

Tennessee has seen a huge increase in the number of meth labs over the past several years. The state ranked the highest in the nation for having the largest number meth lab drug busts in 2010.

It is well-known that pornography and drugs are often precursors to criminal and deviant activity.

wfgodot

08-02-2012, 08:54 PM

The Examiner is a suspect source, most definitely not MSM, and information from that source should be handled with tongs.

Foxfire

08-02-2012, 09:06 PM

The Examiner is a suspect source, most definitely not MSM, and information from that source should be handled with tongs.

wfgodot, I understand...CH & others give the Examiner a bad name, imo... Isabelle Zehnder.., comes from a long line of Law Enforcement & Justice System ancestry. She verifies info through LE I MS Media, and is a voice for the victims, imo...

The article is almost verbatim from our conversation the following day, after returning from the Easter weekend search for Holly Bobo..

Whisperer

08-03-2012, 03:25 AM

200 People in Parsons parked in the lot to os a porn show/shop/toys? Good Grief! Isn't that overkill for a town that size? :thud:

WoW!

Whisperer

08-03-2012, 03:29 AM

Do you have the update on the pastor of Dacatur (sp?) who killed the father of the bride?

~n/t~

08-03-2012, 06:39 AM

200 People in Parsons parked in the lot to os a porn show/shop/toys? Good Grief! Isn't that overkill for a town that size? :thud:

WoW!

About 10% of the population. I suppose some could be out of towners but still......not the "innocent" little town one would expect as witnessed by IZ.

:thud:

What's interesting is that is what many of us think when discussing the Holly Bobo case. A quiet, religious, tight knit little town. I suggested searchers look at religious areas but ummm....maybe not. :what:

Oriah

08-03-2012, 08:21 AM

I agree 100%. Also, imo, if it wasn't for the locals and caring people like Karen Anne who lets the public know searches are being conducted and volunteers are needed, how in the world do folks find out about the searches?

Check this out. Another caring person stumbled upon WS through FB referrals to ask for help.

Help needed - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176628)

This case is just so bizarre in so many ways. What is with all the secrecy for pete's sake. There is a missing young lady and not one peep from MSM or even local media? What happened to Jackson Sun and The Tennessean? Did they give up?

n/t, this is not directed at you, just using your post to jump off of.

There are many, many caring people who talk about finding Holly, about press releases (or a lack thereof), about LE and how they're not doing anything, about how much WSers care about this missing young woman, about how cases are kept alive via social media etc. Yet here on WS's- which is essentially a rather large social media site focused on crime- one that is monitored by LE just as facebook, tumblr, topix, twitter, etc are... there is zero participation in Holly's actual SAR thread.

That makes me really sad, and I don't understand it.

believe09

08-03-2012, 09:55 AM

:pullhair:

I am bewildered-help!

I can figure out how we got from active SAR searches to cop/pastes from blogs. and meth corridors.

Where is Holly and where is the best way to look for her?? If LE is following along here, as Oriah mentioned, there has to be a way for us to be able to help them with some solid sleuthing, or have we exhausted it all?

believe09

08-03-2012, 09:57 AM

SoutheastCanine SearchandRescue
August 11 at 7:00am until August 12 at 1:00pm
Holliday TN
The family's search for Holly Bobo will continue on August 11th and 12th. We will be meeting at 7am again and working until about 1pm. We will announce where we will meet as the search gets closer.

Anyone who would like to register for the search should go to http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. You must pre-register to search. This saves us 2 hours on the day of the search.

If you can't be there, but would like to provide anything else that you think would help please contact Chris Williams at (931) 209-8863.

Must be 18 years old to search.

It is also my understanding that CUE may be here again in August.

Bump. Maybe Team WS can present a strong showing, not that it hasnt already. Can we get this on the front page and perhaps ask if this can appear in Banners across all forums??

wfgodot

08-03-2012, 10:58 AM

Dang. Could have sworn I just posted something here, and it's gone now. It's a haint, this place, a haint, I tell you!!

Anyway, I was going to suggest that David Lohr of Huffington Post would be a good ally in investigating this case; he writes about true crime and a nice series from him on the Bobo matter would be quite welcome. I think he's written about it before.

But we need more, now.

imamaze

08-03-2012, 11:07 AM

FYI...

Isabelle Zehnder's articles from the Examiner are allowed.

Ima

Oriah

08-03-2012, 11:13 AM

:pullhair:

I am bewildered-help!

I can figure out how we got from active SAR searches to cop/pastes from blogs. and meth corridors.

Where is Holly and where is the best way to look for her?? If LE is following along here, as Oriah mentioned, there has to be a way for us to be able to help them with some solid sleuthing, or have we exhausted it all?

BBM:
Sleuthing can never be exhausted. :)

Maybe we could go back to the beginning again? Pull some schedules from UT, pull the weather, pull community activities-civil and government, pull past community activities, pull hunting permits and schedules, pull a list of abandoned structures, fugitives, pull the RSO's addy's etc...and compile them in a comprehensive file that may help give us new direction- or at least- refocus?

Oriah

08-03-2012, 11:19 AM

Dang. Could have sworn I just posted something here, and it's gone now. It's a haint, this place, a haint, I tell you!!

Anyway, I was going to suggest that David Lohr of Huffington Post would be a good ally in investigating this case; he writes about true crime and a nice series from him on the Bobo matter would be quite welcome. I think he's written about it before.

But we need more, now.

He already is, I think. I don't know about the writing aspect, but he comments on many of the social media sites re: Holly's case.

wfgodot

08-03-2012, 11:30 AM

He already is, I think. I don't know about the writing aspect, but he comments on many of the social media sites re: Holly's case.
Which ones? I need to bookmark, plus, if he's on there, follow on the Twitter. Going to check now.

ETA

followed! @David_Lohr

believe09

08-03-2012, 11:45 AM

Dang. Could have sworn I just posted something here, and it's gone now. It's a haint, this place, a haint, I tell you!!

Anyway, I was going to suggest that David Lohr of Huffington Post would be a good ally in investigating this case; he writes about true crime and a nice series from him on the Bobo matter would be quite welcome. I think he's written about it before.

But we need more, now.

Has anyone tried Disappeared? Dateline, 48 hours....any of those?

Oriah

08-03-2012, 05:36 PM

Has anyone tried Disappeared? Dateline, 48 hours....any of those?

IIRC, the Bobos had tried all of the above and got put on a wait list of sorts? (I am really bad with tv related stuff.) I will try to find out.

It is incredibly depressing to me that these are the outlets that the families of MP's need to seek out. And even more than that, that there is a wait list. There is not enough time in the day to find them all. :(

Plumeria5

08-03-2012, 06:59 PM

There has never been a description of the abductor's hair color has there?
Did Clint's description ever include a hat?

wfgodot

08-03-2012, 07:00 PM

There has never been a description of the abductor's hair color has there?
Did Clint's description ever include a hat?
Neither hat nor hair color, that I can recall.

~n/t~

08-03-2012, 07:02 PM

There has never been a description of the abductor's hair color has there?
Did Clint's description ever include a hat?

Not that I'm aware of. All I remember Clint saying is the perp was dressed in full camo. If that includes a hat, it wasn't specified. I recall many of us trying to figure out what full camo meant. Did it include a hat? Gloves? etc.

That question to this day has not been answered. Along with a gazillion other questions.:moo:

wfgodot

08-03-2012, 07:08 PM

Yes, I remember we talked about full camo being topped with a camo bonnet of some sort during turkey season.

~n/t~

08-03-2012, 07:09 PM

What do teenagers and young adults in Parsons do for fun besides hunting on weekends? I sound like a broken record but I never get answers so I keep asking. Do they hang out at a favourite bar/club? Coffee shops? Do they go to the movies?

Where was Holly the night before her exam? Was she hanging out with Drew? If so, where? His house? Her house? With friends? If friends, who? Close friends? Acquaintances? Were they drinking? Bars? Pool halls?

cluciano63

08-03-2012, 07:11 PM

I would be of no use on the SAR thread for Holly, as not only have I never been to that part of the country, but I am pretty bad at reading maps...

As far as what the "kids" do there for fun-we've lost all of our locals. Maybe someone else from the general area knows. I think there was talk of a concert a day or two before? That maybe Clint had attended, if not Holly.

Plumeria5

08-03-2012, 07:13 PM

I would be of no use on the SAR thread for Holly, as not only have I never been to that part of the country, but I am pretty bad at reading maps...

As far as what the "kids" do there for fun-we've lost all of our locals. Maybe someone else from the general area knows. I think there was talk of a concert a day or two before? That maybe Clint had attended, if not Holly.

I believe it was said Clint didn't go to the concert but listened to part of it on the phone since a friend called him from the concert.

wfgodot

08-03-2012, 07:14 PM

While tipping my cap to the sheer dedication of ground searchers, I think most cases by this time are solved - if they ever are - by tips from the public, something solicited by LE early on but not so much, at least actively, now.

~n/t~

08-03-2012, 07:14 PM

I would be of no use on the SAR thread for Holly, as not only have I never been to that part of the country, but I am pretty bad at reading maps...

As far as what the "kids" do there for fun-we've lost all of our locals. Maybe someone else from the general area knows. I think there was talk of a concert a day or two before? That maybe Clint had attended, if not Holly.

Right. A concert. That he did not attend according to my sources, apparently, but we can't discuss because it's considered rumour...so here we are a year later still guessing. I'm tired of the guessing game.

~n/t~

08-03-2012, 07:20 PM

While tipping my cap to the sheer dedication of ground searchers, I think most cases by this time are solved - if they ever are - by tips from the public, something solicited by LE early on but not so much, at least actively, now.

Exactly. Or luck by someone other than a searcher happening on remains whilst doing whatever normal activity they do (farming or hunting or whatever). That. Or a perp apprehended for another crime tying them to another missing person case. As was the case with Amber Dubois.

Heck for all we know the perp in this case is dead or already in prison. No follow up on the 2 sex offenders. Yay or Nay. I'll go with nay since we haven't heard a peep.

Plumeria5

08-03-2012, 09:30 PM

While tipping my cap to the sheer dedication of ground searchers, I think most cases by this time are solved - if they ever are - by tips from the public, something solicited by LE early on but not so much, at least actively, now.

ITA...As n/t said, a lot of missing persons are discovered by the random public who just happen on the body.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 12:10 AM

n/t, this is not directed at you, just using your post to jump off of.

There are many, many caring people who talk about finding Holly, about press releases (or a lack thereof), about LE and how they're not doing anything, about how much WSers care about this missing young woman, about how cases are kept alive via social media etc. Yet here on WS's- which is essentially a rather large social media site focused on crime- one that is monitored by LE just as facebook, tumblr, topix, twitter, etc are... there is zero participation in Holly's actual SAR thread.

That makes me really sad, and I don't understand it.

What would we post there ?

I'm not going to be able to post any information about anything that is discovered during a SAR search.

I could put posts there that announce upcoming searches, and the dates, photos from the searches afterwards that are posted online by the searchers, but that's all I can think of.

Montjoy

08-04-2012, 12:33 AM

While tipping my cap to the sheer dedication of ground searchers, I think most cases by this time are solved - if they ever are - by tips from the public, something solicited by LE early on but not so much, at least actively, now.

Most cases of what are solved by tips? Abducted women? Let's keep in mind that not all cases are the same -- not even all cases of missing or abducted women -- so I think it would be stretching things to suggest that most cases are solved by any one type of information.

But not to diminish the value of tips -- but I wonder what people might think is keeping 'the public' from sharing the information they have? The lack of a suitable Facebook page? I mean, let's say someone knows something -- they know that Holly was abducted, they know this is a bad thing -- what really does anyone think would be holding them back from calling it in?

I'm sorry, I guess I think better of the public -- the same people participating in ground searches.

Foxfire

08-04-2012, 12:48 AM

Most cases of what are solved by tips? Abducted women? Let's keep in mind that not all cases are the same -- not even all cases of missing or abducted women -- so I think it would be stretching things to suggest that most cases are solved by any one type of information.

But not to diminish the value of tips -- but I wonder what people might think is keeping 'the public' from sharing the information they have? The lack of a suitable Facebook page? I mean, let's say someone knows something -- they know that Holly was abducted, they know this is a bad thing -- what really does anyone think would be holding them back from calling it in?

I'm sorry, I guess I think better of the public -- the same people participating in ground searches.

RE: but I wonder what people might think is keeping 'the public' from sharing the information they have?

Many times witnesses do not realize that the info that they have is important to the investigation. Especially in stranger abductions.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 12:51 AM

BBM:
Sleuthing can never be exhausted. :)

Maybe we could go back to the beginning again? Pull some schedules from UT, pull the weather, pull community activities-civil and government, pull past community activities, pull hunting permits and schedules, pull a list of abandoned structures, fugitives, pull the RSO's addy's etc...and compile them in a comprehensive file that may help give us new direction- or at least- refocus?
194
190 "Where is Holly and where is the best way to look for her??"

believe09, actually the best answer to that question is "on foot." But most WS'ers don't live anywhere near here.
"God willin', and the creek don't rise," I'm going to start going down with Southeast Canine, and search.
And I plan to train my border collie in SAR.
I've run out of things to do too, so...

We can donate to CUE on their web site. Also, both CUE and Southeast need bottles of water for searchers.

Cue has a few items you can bid on, I think details are probably on their web page. Southeast is I believe in the process of putting up some items for auction too, but I don't think they have finalized it, because I see the list of sponsors on their web site, but not a link to an auction page. When I do find it, I will be posting it on T. and FB, and here, if anyone wants to look at it. I saw a guitar listed, looked up retail, it's $300. This one is new, and is signed by a lot of C & W artists. The last bid I saw was $200, but I haven't found an end date for the bidding. Just an idea of what I had seen. If this info is inappropriate, mods, feel free to edit it out.

*Oriah, I requested the weather forecast from the weather service for April 13, and I have the email that they sent me with the whole forecast.
Remember, also, the photos of the wet roads in the search photos the first days.

We also have the list of folks who attended one of the social functions, but it may have to go downstairs, maybe a mod could answer if it would be allowed here - I have that list.
We also have the RSO's list, and property owners map information.

Whisperer

08-04-2012, 03:23 AM

If LE reads here, maybe you could do a presser and explain to me how Clint saw silhouettes in a garage from inside the house?

....and did Holly's dog ever track her in the immediate timeframe of her walking towards the woods?

....How much blood? Clint said a puddle. I heard there were splatters on the grass. would you please confirm?

....If the family has been completely cleared, why are you not releasing the 911 tapes?

believe09

08-04-2012, 06:32 AM

194
190 "Where is Holly and where is the best way to look for her??"

believe09, actually the best answer to that question is "on foot." But most WS'ers don't live anywhere near here.
"God willin', and the creek don't rise," I'm going to start going down with Southeast Canine, and search.
And I plan to train my border collie in SAR.
I've run out of things to do too, so...

We can donate to CUE on their web site. Also, both CUE and Southeast need bottles of water for searchers.

Cue has a few items you can bid on, I think details are probably on their web page. Southeast is I believe in the process of putting up some items for auction too, but I don't think they have finalized it, because I see the list of sponsors on their web site, but not a link to an auction page. When I do find it, I will be posting it on T. and FB, and here, if anyone wants to look at it. I saw a guitar listed, looked up retail, it's $300. This one is new, and is signed by a lot of C & W artists. The last bid I saw was $200, but I haven't found an end date for the bidding. Just an idea of what I had seen. If this info is inappropriate, mods, feel free to edit it out.

*Oriah, I requested the weather forecast from the weather service for April 13, and I have the email that they sent me with the whole forecast.
Remember, also, the photos of the wet roads in the search photos the first days.

We also have the list of folks who attended one of the social functions, but it may have to go downstairs, maybe a mod could answer if it would be allowed here - I have that list.
We also have the RSO's list, and property owners map information.

BBM-did you get an answer from a mod, Karen Anne? I would be interested in all of that fwiw.

wfgodot

08-04-2012, 09:40 AM

Most cases of what are solved by tips? Abducted women? Let's keep in mind that not all cases are the same -- not even all cases of missing or abducted women -- so I think it would be stretching things to suggest that most cases are solved by any one type of information.

But not to diminish the value of tips -- but I wonder what people might think is keeping 'the public' from sharing the information they have? The lack of a suitable Facebook page? I mean, let's say someone knows something -- they know that Holly was abducted, they know this is a bad thing -- what really does anyone think would be holding them back from calling it in?

I'm sorry, I guess I think better of the public -- the same people participating in ground searches.
We live in an age of social media - I'm sorry, but we do. Failure to use new tools when old ones have proven ineffective is tantamount to burying one's head in the sand. In particular, those in Holly's age range are comfortable with the new-fangled contrivances: why the heck not use them then?

Of course it's no guarantee; nothing is. But taking it for granted that it won't be effective shows a bit of defeatism, methinks.

Oriah

08-04-2012, 09:49 AM

What would we post there ?

I'm not going to be able to post any information about anything that is discovered during a SAR search.

I could put posts there that announce upcoming searches, and the dates, photos from the searches afterwards that are posted online by the searchers, but that's all I can think of.

BBM: I completely understand, Karen Anne.

I meant nothing more by that post, other than it is sad to me that so many WS readers don't become active in searches. Even if far away, you can 'virtually' participate via the web. Like you have, posting search information.

Thank you so much for being an active participant in bringing Holly home!

believe09

08-04-2012, 09:59 AM

We live in an age of social media - I'm sorry, but we do. Failure to use new tools when old ones have proven ineffective is tantamount to burying one's head in the sand. In particular, those in Holly's age range are comfortable with the new-fangled contrivances: why the heck not use them then?

Of course it's no guarantee; nothing is. But taking it for granted that it won't be effective shows a bit of defeatism, methinks.

Who hasnt taken advantage of social media? Holly's family? LE? Both. I dont understand.

And I am some what lost as to the theory that LE doesnt solve MP/Abducted Women cases with solid detective work. I guess it depends on what you consider solved to be-if it is an arrest, well I know of many where the DA will not prosecute until there is more physical evidence. It may in fact be easier to prove who perpetrated a crime then where they hid a body in this big wide world. :( And if a DA wont prosecute without a body, it doesnt matter whether LE knows who did it....their hands are tied. Imagine how hard THAT must be.

I like the suggestions for some of the work that can still be done in this case. It seems like a positive direction to take.

Awaiting mod approval for some of the information Karen Anne has... :)

Foxfire

08-04-2012, 10:35 AM

Days Holly has been missing: 465
Days since last TBI press release: 460

474 Days since last TBI press release...sad

http://www.policeforum.org/library/sniper-report/Sniper%20Report[1].pdf

Lessons Learned from the DC Sniper Case

Chief Moose press conference: “We have not
been able to assure anyone of their safety.”
And at another one later in the day,

* Chief Moose releases the letter’s postscript:
“Your children are not safe anywhere at anytime.”

• Asked about the possibility of the FBI taking
over the case, Gary Bald responds: “This continues to be a joint investigation by a large number of state, local and federal agencies . . .
the cooperation that we have is unprecedented in this case.”

The public information officers discussed practical steps for addressing reporters’ questions, determining the media relations responsibilities of key agency personnel and being responsive to community concerns.

• A citizen, Whitney Donahue, having heard
about the Caprice on a radio talk show, spots
the car at a rest stop near Frederick,
Maryland

From these lessons and recommendations, four significant factors emerged
as crucial to an effective law enforcement
response. They represent overarching themes discussed in more detail and illustrated with specific
examples throughout the report. While these
efforts do not account for all of the successes in
this investigation, they were the cornerstones.

• Careful Planning and Preparation
• Defining Roles and Responsibilities
• Managing Information Efficiently
• Maintaining Effective Communication

"Ihe American public is a very valuable resource in investigations"

Foxfire

08-04-2012, 10:51 AM

Bumping-
TN RIVER SEARCH - JULY 2012 - HOLLY BOBO - YouTube

dejavoodoo64

08-04-2012, 11:34 AM

Bumping-
TN RIVER SEARCH - JULY 2012 - HOLLY BOBO - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2VWcd5FRU)

I feel very sorry for this family, but I especially feel sorry for Mr. Bobo. If LE truly knows who did it and the family knows or they know from Clint's description. How hard would it be to restrain yourself if you saw the person somewhere in town like a store or restaurant? No chance for me. I don't think I could do it. Maybe if I knew she was still alive and there was a chance of her coming home. Otherwise I just couldn't do it.

wfgodot

08-04-2012, 11:47 AM

Okay, this "maybe they know who did it" thing; when would they have figured this out?

Almost a year ago (on 06 August 2011) Holly's mother was pleading for President Obama to please send more help. This was a desperate cry for help from authorities other than those in the state of Tennessee. If they "know who did it," TN LE certainly hadn't told the Bobo family.

Then, on Wednesday, 04 January 2012, Ohio LE, with TBI participation, executed a warrant on the home of Tony Calabrese, claiming obstruction of justice; would they have "known who did it" and still seen fit to carry out that (rather embarrassing, imo) raid?

Certainly the didn't find out who did it between 06 August 2011 and 04 January 2012, then.

So have they found out who did it between early January and early August - in these last seven months? If they "know who did it," would they not discourage the recent and ongoing searches?

They don't "know who did it," for godssakes. I'm not a fan of TBI but even I don't think they'd deliberately hold at least the information that "they know who did it" back from Holly's family, and then let them and others organize and participate in a series of grueling foot searches.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 01:35 PM

BBM: I completely understand, Karen Anne.

I meant nothing more by that post, other than it is sad to me that so many WS readers don't become active in searches. Even if far away, you can 'virtually' participate via the web. Like you have, posting search information.

Thank you so much for being an active participant in bringing Holly home!

Oh, Lord, Oriah, I never meant for it to sound that way.

It was just a statement in general, that if I am able to go on searches, I understand from what I read, that we are under a confidentiality clause.
My comment was in no way directed to you, sooooo sorry.
('Sides, I know you already know this about the confidentiality thingy.)

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 02:31 PM

BBM-did you get an answer from a mod, Karen Anne? I would be interested in all of that fwiw.
220

"We also have the list of folks who attended one of the social functions, but it may have to go downstairs, maybe a mod could answer if it would be allowed here - I have that list.
We also have the RSO's list, and property owners map information."

I have not seen a reply anywhere, just yet.

Being that the information is a little sensitive, I think it would be best if a mod could let me know, before I post any of it. If I see no reply when I get caught up here, I'll pm one.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 02:35 PM

RE: Is there anything online regarding TC's incarceration? Is it related to Holly or totally unrelated?

Have a link, Karen?

Do you mean TB ?

To my knowledge, TC is not in any trouble.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 02:48 PM

BBM: Thank you so much for being an active participant in bringing Holly home!
223

Aw, thank you, but I think ya'll are doin just as much. It's just that I started posting again :)

~n/t~

08-04-2012, 02:49 PM

Which 2 ?

As far as I know, JN is still being held in jail, awaiting trial.

TB was sent to prison about a week ago.

Terry Britt http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Sex-Offender-Arrest-Could-Have-Ties-to-Holly-Bobo/857TXj-YEECK-7-ddxU3Eg.cspx

Victor Wall http://levipageshow.blogspot.ca/2011/08/sex-predator-nabbed-holly-bobo.html

Those are the 2 I was referring to. Who is JN?

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 04:23 PM

Thanks. I use google notifications for work purposes so I'm familiar with how it works. I'm just wondering if anything comes up for Holly that hasn't already been posted in MSM. Perhaps I'm not making myself clear. lol

OOPS and my bad regarding the initials. I misread TC. Wishful thinking on my part, I guess. Hoping for a break.

N/P

(BBM) Many times I read emails from Google, and check a few forums, and no one is discussing the info yet, so in a way, yes.

Foxfire

08-04-2012, 04:33 PM

Terry Britt http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Sex-Offender-Arrest-Could-Have-Ties-to-Holly-Bobo/857TXj-YEECK-7-ddxU3Eg.cspx

Victor Wall http://levipageshow.blogspot.ca/2011/08/sex-predator-nabbed-holly-bobo.html

Those are the 2 I was referring to. Who is JN?

Jason Nickell
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148195&page=26

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 04:35 PM

Terry Britt http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Sex-Offender-Arrest-Could-Have-Ties-to-Holly-Bobo/857TXj-YEECK-7-ddxU3Eg.cspx

Victor Wall http://levipageshow.blogspot.ca/2011/08/sex-predator-nabbed-holly-bobo.html

Those are the 2 I was referring to. Who is JN?
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"This e-mail is to inform you that Terry Britt has been transferred from Madison County Sheriff's Department to the custody of the Tennessee Department of Correction. The transfer took place on 7/23/2012. As a result, you will no longer receive notifications concerning this offender under your current registration with SAVIN."

JN -I may be wrong about the first initial. Last name is Nickels or Nichols ?
Did I mention him ?

Foxfire

08-04-2012, 04:37 PM

Do you mean TB ?

To my knowledge, TC is not in any trouble.

No, I was replying to a typo..LOL

TC, has not been arrested..

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 04:42 PM

#230 Still in jail awaiting trial.

Sorry, you were correct. Have I got the initials right, JN ?

TB went off to prison, and there's the other one, isn't it Nich, or Nick.... isn't he the one still in jail ?

Foxfire

08-04-2012, 04:45 PM

236

"This e-mail is to inform you that Terry Britt has been transferred from Madison County Sheriff's Department to the custody of the Tennessee Department of Correction. The transfer took place on 7/23/2012. As a result, you will no longer receive notifications concerning this offender under your current registration with SAVIN."

JN -I may be wrong about the first initial. Last name is Nickels or Nichols ?
Did I mention him ?

http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...ty-safety-tips

It turns out the man who approached these two young women - Jason Everett Nickell, 39 - is a registered sex offiender from Benton County listed on the FBI sex offender list as a "Violent" offender.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 05:17 PM

http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...ty-safety-tips

It turns out the man who approached these two young women - Jason Everett Nickell, 39 - is a registered sex offiender from Benton County listed on the FBI sex offender list as a "Violent" offender.

Lol, thanks FF.. I knew who it was, but just couldn't get the spelling right. :)

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 10:06 PM

Re-posting my previous post, after an edit, necessary for clarity and accuracy. Thank you all for your patience.

#215
~N/T~
Are you signed up for Google notifications every time Holly's name is mentioned in news articles ? If not, you could do that; I receive emails each time there is an article online that has her name in it.

wfgodot
David L. is also on FB.

Oriah
I am under the impression that SE SAR will be here on a regular basis now, and the family is very involved in the searches, both with them, and with CUE, so they do have that.
I don't know how to get any articles started up, unless there is something to report. Getting on tv - above my limited knowledge base, lol.

Isabelle Z. is in my opinion, an EXCELLENT editor. She publishes facts. I've not seen her write about rumors, and I've not even seen her put in her opinions. This is why I love her articles so much, because they are very detailed, and they are facts, just facts. I can't do .... you know.... it's too hard for me to weed out the opinions of the authors, and the rumors.

Plumaria5
I have never heard it mentioned anywhere, the hair color.
Clint says in one of the last tv interviews, that the abductor wore a camo hat and gloves. And that the camo clothing was the non-insulated type, meaning that it wasn't the thick, heavy, cold weather type.
Full camo actually means hat, gloves, pants, top, jacket, socks, boots, and the camo wool type thing you wear that covers your neck, head, and face. Everything covered up but your eyes.
** NO one has ever mentioned that he was wearing this specific item, so please don't run with it. I just put it here for information, because full camo includes that. But this item has never been mentioned.

~N/T~
Drew's Grandmother said that Drew and Holly were together that night. (Apr.12.)
Clint was home the night of Apr 12. There was a concert, but Clint did not go. He listened to it on his cell phone while talking to a friend who was there.
For fun, about the only thing I remember is that they like to ride the four wheelers.

Also, T.Britt has been transferred off to prison about a week ago.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 10:22 PM

Have requested guidance from mods on the info we discussed earlier, re RSO info, prop map, etc.

Will post the weather info received in email from weather officials in a moment.

Karen Anne RN

08-04-2012, 10:34 PM

Received forecast via email after requesting from weather service, for Holly's area, Apr. 13, 2011.

Chester-decatur-henderson-
including the cities of...lexington
356 am cdt wed apr 13 2011
.today...sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Northeast winds around
5 mph becoming southwest in the afternoon.
.tonight...mostly clear. Lows in the upper 40s. Light and
variable winds.
.thursday...sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. Southeast winds 5 to
10 mph.
.thursday night...showers and thunderstorms likely after
midnight. Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. Southeast winds
10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.
.friday...breezy. Showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower
70s. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Wind gusts to near 25 mph in the
afternoon. Chance of rain 80 percent.
.friday night...a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the
evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Mostly cloudy.
Lows in the upper 40s. Chance of rain 40 percent.
.saturday...cooler. Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming
mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s.
.saturday night...mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s.
.sunday and sunday night...warmer. Partly cloudy. Highs in the
lower 70s. Lows in the lower 50s.
.monday through tuesday...mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance
of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 70s. Lows around
60.

~n/t~

08-05-2012, 06:41 AM

If I'm reading the weather correctly, no rain on the day she disappeared. The rain came the following day? If it did, wouldn't that be ideal weather for tracking dogs especially the first 24 hours of her disappearance?

~n/t~

08-05-2012, 06:52 AM

http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...ty-safety-tips

It turns out the man who approached these two young women - Jason Everett Nickell, 39 - is a registered sex offiender from Benton County listed on the FBI sex offender list as a "Violent" offender.

The link is broken but now I remember him. I think he was the first to be mentioned in reference to this case.

http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/TNSO005150/Jason-Everett-Nickell.html

Out of the 3 RSO's, so far we have none that have been arrested in connection to this case. Can one assume they had nothing to do with Holly's disappearance? If they did, wouldn't there be a DNA match? It's hard to believe the perp did not leave any DNA behind at the Bobo home.

Carla Lashelle

08-05-2012, 08:10 AM

I can see not leaving DNA at the crime scene. Unless he spit on the ground, dropped blood of his own, left a coke can behind, etc. There isnt a lot you could find outside. The chances of finding a hair or something outdoors would be nil, and if he were wearing a hat, or gloves etc that would further reduce the chances of leaving evidence behind.

Oriah

08-05-2012, 08:30 AM

If I'm reading the weather correctly, no rain on the day she disappeared. The rain came the following day? If it did, wouldn't that be ideal weather for tracking dogs especially the first 24 hours of her disappearance?

Yes.
It is my understanding that there were a lot of very well-intentioned people who showed up that day, and many had dogs with them. But hunting and pet dogs are not the same as tracking or trailing dogs, and sometimes they can cause problems with searches.

Honestly, I think everything that went wrong in the first 24-48 hours following Holly's abduction was a bit of a snowball effect of the best sort, if it can be looked at in any kind of positive way. Sort of like, the road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions kind of way.
Jmvho, of course.

believe09

08-05-2012, 08:41 AM

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

According to this post and the prior discussion Mr Nickells alibi checked out.

Foxfire

08-05-2012, 09:11 AM

Yes.
It is my understanding that there were a lot of very well-intentioned people who showed up that day, and many had dogs with them. But hunting and pet dogs are not the same as tracking or trailing dogs, and sometimes they can cause problems with searches.

Honestly, I think everything that went wrong in the first 24-48 hours following Holly's abduction was a bit of a snowball effect of the best sort, if it can be looked at in any kind of positive way. Sort of like, the road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions kind of way.
Jmvho, of course.

Agreed Oriah..due to the lack of a preabduction plan by DCSO on 04/13/2011, everything that could go wrong did..

RE:But hunting and pet dogs are not the same as tracking or trailing dogs,

But ya know, imo, and it may sound strange, but Holly Bobo's dog Rascal, would have directed LE of her direct route that day..

~n/t~

08-05-2012, 10:47 AM

Agreed Oriah..due to the lack of a preabduction plan by DCSO on 04/13/2011, everything that could go wrong did..

RE:But hunting and pet dogs are not the same as tracking or trailing dogs,

But ya know, imo, and it may sound strange, but Holly Bobo's dog Rascal, would have directed LE of her direct route that day..

Or their other dog. The outside one that we saw in the video with Karen Bobo and the reporter.

That said, my understanding is LE did have their own tracking dogs. They were brought shortly after LE arrived at the scene. Nobody as far as I know was allowed to go into the wooded area where Clint saw Holly and the perp. They were all contained on the Bobo property. If I'm not mistaken, they were FBI dogs.

Please don't ask me for a link. I wouldn't know where to begin to even look for one. This was waaaayy at the beginning of the case.

Maybe others who have followed this case from the beginning will remember.

Oriah

08-05-2012, 12:09 PM

They had a little bit of a wait on the FBI dog(s). Local LE has working dogs but often those are police K9's.

Oriah

08-05-2012, 12:13 PM

Agreed Oriah..due to the lack of a preabduction plan by DCSO on 04/13/2011, everything that could go wrong did..

RE:But hunting and pet dogs are not the same as tracking or trailing dogs,

But ya know, imo, and it may sound strange, but Holly Bobo's dog Rascal, would have directed LE of her direct route that day..

BBM: I agree. But I think the Bobo's probably put their dogs up, to keep the dogs safe.

wishuwerehere

08-05-2012, 02:36 PM

When the FBI dogs were brought in, did they establish any trail of Holly at all?

wishuwerehere

08-05-2012, 02:40 PM

Agreed Oriah..due to the lack of a preabduction plan by DCSO on 04/13/2011, everything that could go wrong did..

RE:But hunting and pet dogs are not the same as tracking or trailing dogs,

But ya know, imo, and it may sound strange, but Holly Bobo's dog Rascal, would have directed LE of her direct route that day..

bbm
It doesn't sound strange to me. Seems Rascal may have been the only one who knew what was going on that day. jmo

Hippy Chick

08-05-2012, 03:04 PM

bbm
It doesn't sound strange to me. Seems Rascal may have been the only one who knew what was going on that day. jmo

I agree, my little poodle follows my every step and if I get outside without him he will try to tear the doors down to get out too, accept when he knows i am going to work. I don't know how he knows the difference but he does. Example one evening last week i went outside to water flowers he was inside eating as soon as he was done DH let him out. I was on the other side of the house but he found me straight away by my smell so I would assume Rascal could have done the same.

Plumeria5

08-05-2012, 05:42 PM

bbm
It doesn't sound strange to me. Seems Rascal may have been the only one who knew what was going on that day. jmo

You stated that so eloquently! Couldn't agree with you more!!:yesss:

bznbear

08-05-2012, 08:24 PM

LE in this case hasn't just been non-transparent. It has been overwhelmingly opaque. 469 days since last TBI press release.

Yes, pretty much invisible.

Karen Anne RN

08-06-2012, 02:54 PM

Sort of off-topic.

I found out something interesting from two Facebook gals. Each of them has located a missing person.

I was blown away. Each one of these gals accomplished this on their own.

The one who lives in TN, personally drove quite a ways to the home of a man who had gone missing. She went to help his wife and 4 children, and try to locate him. He had been missing for a while, and there was absolutely no one looking for him. They only had one vehicle, and he had taken it when he left.

She went to a print shop and made 100 fliers, then she plastered them all over town. She listed her cell phone number in the fliers. Then she sat back and waited.

Two days later, she received a call from someone who said that they might know where he was. My friend called and left a voice mail message for a detective, and even though it was a Saturday, he called her back. They went to the location and found the man.

It turned out that the man had recently lost his job, and felt so bad about it, that he felt that his wife and children would be better off without him. He had gotten up as usual, every day for a long time, pretending to go to work. I believe that he spent that time looking for employment, but was not succesful.

When they found him, he had been beaten, and I believe she said robbed. They returned him to his home, and in my opinion, my friend saved his life. He was deeply depressed, and had started drinking. With the loss of the job, the shame he felt, having left home, being robbed, and drinking, made him at high risk for ending his life.

The girl in Oregon located a 17 year old who had run away from home. She located her 4 states away from where she lived. The 17 year old said that her dad had raped her.

She had been living with her mom who is a drug addict, and when her mom was arrested on drug charges, she was sent to live with her father. The father presumably raped her, and so she ran away. LE now has her in a safe place until they investigate.

I think what these two women have done is awesome.

Whisperer

08-06-2012, 05:46 PM

Amber Dubois's mom found the remains of Michele Le...but we don't have LE keeping every single thing to themselves either out this way.

With Holly, at least we know there was a lunch bag. Does anyone have the exact location of that? Was it tossed or was it placed where it was found. IIRC, the abandoned car with the hunting gear and possible cell phone was near there. I don't recall seeing any news video of either one. Typicaly, a news crew would show us the exact spot and re-enact the possiblities of how the bag got there.

Whisperer

08-06-2012, 05:56 PM

:pullhair:

I am bewildered-help!

I can figure out how we got from active SAR searches to cop/pastes from blogs. and meth corridors.

Where is Holly and where is the best way to look for her?? ddIf LE is following along here, as Oriah mentioned, there has to be a way for us to be able to help them with some solid sleuthing, or have we exhausted it all?

It's a pretty sad day when LE from there are looking here for clues. They should have listened to Tony C and re-enacted the crime. Instead, they tried to arrest him...

If I were a local and LE were monitoring my posts, I would be concerned. It could be a control issue. MO is they want every single person there under their control. I think they are monitoring and watching the locals....and that is the only reason they would be here.

Karen Anne RN

08-06-2012, 06:26 PM

Amber Dubois's mom found the remains of Michele Le...but we don't have LE keeping every single thing to themselves either out this way.

With Holly, at least we know there was a lunch bag. Does anyone have the exact location of that? Was it tossed or was it placed where it was found. IIRC, the abandoned car with the hunting gear and possible cell phone was near there. I don't recall seeing any news video of either one. Typicaly, a news crew would show us the exact spot and re-enact the possiblities of how the bag got there.

Here is the photo. On D. Graves' property.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1601&pictureid=13842

Karen Anne RN

08-06-2012, 06:49 PM

It's a pretty sad day when LE from there are looking here for clues. They should have listened to Tony C and re-enacted the crime. Instead, they tried to arrest him...

If I were a local and LE were monitoring my posts, I would be concerned. It could be a control issue. MO is they want every single person there under their control. I think they are monitoring and watching the locals....and that is the only reason they would be here.
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Here is the information ya'll wanted to take another look at. Plus a few extra sites.

Note from our mod: "Names not having to do with Holly's case can not be posted or discussed here. RSO's can be posted and discussed, but only if you can tie them to Holly in some way. For example are they in the area etc. They can be sleuthed as possible suspects."
TBI RSO Registry http://tnmap.state.tn.us/sor/

Although not specifically requested, I am including a link here that ya'll might not ever have seen before.
But with it, comes a request from me. It is my hope that no one will discuss this information on this forum.
It is relevant to the case, and I agree with the information on the page. http://www.sarblog.info/retraction/

Decatur County TN Coon Hunt April 10, 2011 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1601

Property Map, Darden, TN http://tnmap.state.tn.us/assessment/map.aspx?GISLink=039067++++02108

Become a volunteer for CUE: http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/volunteer-online-2/
Areas you might be interested in volunteering:
Administration
Events
Field Work– Search
Fundraising
Deliveries– Pick Up
Family Support
Artwork - Design
Volunteer Coordination
CUE Board Member

OpenLine: HB Disappearance, Part 1 http://tiny.cc/flxmiw I don't know where part 2 is, I've never seen it.

Online training in forensic sciences, ethics, expert testimony, sexual assault response, medicolegal death investigation and more.
Here are some courses; some of them are free, and online. I read that some of these, when completed earn college credits. ( I am starting the" Criminal Profiling: Psychology Contributions to Behavioral Crime Scene Analysis." It's in the form of a video, one hour course.) https://www.forensiced.org/training/alltraining.cfm

National Department of Justice courses: http://www.nij.gov/nij/training/all-courses.htm

Karen Anne RN

08-06-2012, 07:04 PM

I was so interested in your last point because the thought crossed my mind that Mr. Bobo surely seemed certain about what was in her purse and I was wondering how and why.

I'm guessing that when the family was talking with investigators on Apr.13, they were asked what Holly had with her. Her Mom would know that Holly carried her camera in her purse, etc.

believe09

08-06-2012, 07:34 PM

It's a pretty sad day when LE from there are looking here for clues. They should have listened to Tony C and re-enacted the crime. Instead, they tried to arrest him...

If I were a local and LE were monitoring my posts, I would be concerned. It could be a control issue. MO is they want every single person there under their control. I think they are monitoring and watching the locals....and that is the only reason they would be here.

Respectfully, I think you have kind of jumped the shark. It seems clear to me that no matter what effort LE is putting forth, it is to be criticized here. The fact is, at the end of the day, no one except for those inside of this investigation have the slightest idea what is going on. Not even Holly's family.

You can choose to believe it is nothing. I dont think there is evidence of that. Example=Karen has recently discovered that there have been on going searches conducted with regularity yet out of the public eye. Failure to find Holly does not mean that there isnt a willingness or a capacity. IMVHO we have a lot of energy focused on quarterbacking here.

Fair enough if there are posters who believe we have nothing substantive to contribute. Someone up thread indicated that most of the locals have disappeared from here. Why is that-does anyone know?