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ynotdivein
07-16-2012, 03:24 PM
A thread for investigations into Sandusky's behaviors prior to the 1998 incident.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men.html

Source: PennLive
Author: Sara Ganim
Date: Monday July 16, 2012

"Sources close to the Jerry Sandusky case say that three men have come forward and told police that they were abused in the 1970s or 1980s by the convicted pedophile.

They are the first men to allege abuse before the 1990s, and if found to be credible, would directly attack the 68-year-old's defense argument that a person doesn't become pedophile in his or her 50s."

More at link.

JSR
07-16-2012, 04:23 PM
Not surprising at all.

HMSHood
07-16-2012, 04:29 PM
Not surprising at all.

Same here. I wonder if that includes his adopted and foster children as well.

Leilei
07-16-2012, 04:53 PM
Just saw this on CNN. Knew y'all would be on it! Not shocked, as I think we all know that he didn't "suddenly" begin molesting young boys in '98. This is going to go way, way back, imo.

BigCat
07-16-2012, 04:54 PM
Victims 4, 7, and 10 all testified that Sandusky abused them prior to 98. I believe victim 7 was the earliest one to have contact with Sandusky. Sandusky met him in 1994. So we know Sandusky was already molesting boys prior to 98.

luvhockey
07-16-2012, 11:06 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men/3032/comments-2.html

Interesting comment by sadncentre posted at 12:16 today

J. J. in Phila
07-16-2012, 11:33 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men/3032/comments-2.html

Interesting comment by sadncentre posted at 12:16 today

My God, 35 additional victims. :(

IzzyBlanche
07-17-2012, 01:08 AM
The actual number is likely to be much higher than that.

From link:

...one study estimated that by the time of entry to treatment, nonincestuous pedophiles who molest boys had committed an average of 282 offenses against 150 victims.[68]

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia, I know, and when I clicked the footnote link it did not take me to the source article, only the publication.

However, these numbers jibe with statistics I've read in connection with other cases.

Stuff like this sometimes makes me wish I had been raised by wolves rather than being a member of this extremely screwed-up species known as homo sapiens. :frown:

Reader
07-17-2012, 01:23 AM
No wonder the grand jury is taking so long....

Minette
07-17-2012, 12:56 PM
Of course there are more victims. Of course there are. I can't remember the exact wording, but I was struck by the incredible maladroitness of the statement Sandusky's attorney made to the effect that at man just doesn't suddenly become at pedophile in middle age. Because that's right, he doesn't. I imagine investigators have found quite a few leads in that Touched (and WHAT a horribly appropriate name for it, no?) book JS wrote. He even had the incredible audacity to use photos of some of the victims who later prosecuted him.

By the the time Second Mile had come about, JS had merely perfected his technique. Although the statute of limitations has doubtless run out for some of his victims, I would not be at all surprised to hear that JS started molesting as early as in his teens, and continued throughout his entire football career and his marriage to that unspeakable woman, Dottie.

JSR
07-17-2012, 02:17 PM
Of course there are more victims. Of course there are. I can't remember the exact wording, but I was struck by the incredible maladroitness of the statement Sandusky's attorney made to the effect that at man just doesn't suddenly become at pedophile in middle age. Because that's right, he doesn't. I imagine investigators have found quite a few leads in that Touched (and WHAT a horribly appropriate name for it, no?) book JS wrote. He even had the incredible audacity to use photos of some of the victims who later prosecuted him.

By the the time Second Mile had come about, JS had merely perfected his technique. Although the statute of limitations has doubtless run out for some of his victims, I would not be at all surprised to hear that JS started molesting as early as in his teens, and continued throughout his entire football career and his marriage to that unspeakable woman, Dottie.

I completely agree.

Especially when you hear of his self admitted awkwardness with the opposite sex. Had it not been for JS's mother asking Dottie out for JS I doubt JS would have ever married. Although being married helped him conceal who he really was from most of society.

costalpilot
07-17-2012, 02:46 PM
A thread for investigations into Sandusky's behaviors prior to the 1998 incident.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men.html

Source: PennLive
Author: Sara Ganim
Date: Monday July 16, 2012

"Sources close to the Jerry Sandusky case say that three men have come forward and told police that they were abused in the 1970s or 1980s by the convicted pedophile.

They are the first men to allege abuse before the 1990s, and if found to be credible, would directly attack the 68-year-old's defense argument that a person doesn't become pedophile in his or her 50s."
More at link.


as one poster said, ya gotta take that argument with a grain of salt since it is from sanduskys atty...hahaahahahaah...pretty funny...grain of salt...

HMSHood
07-17-2012, 03:58 PM
My God, 35 additional victims. :(

There are more than 45 victims. I have to wonder if this includes all his adopted and foster children, especially with Matt Sandusky.

Reader
07-18-2012, 05:46 PM
IIRC, some of us posted back in previous threads about how we thought JS had molested boys from the time he was a young adult, maybe even teenager. I imagine if the true number of victims could be known it would be over 100...that is usually what is found for a practicing pedophile....IMO

ynotdivein
07-18-2012, 11:22 PM
Please remember that this thread is for Sandusky's prior abuses.

Pensfan
07-18-2012, 11:29 PM
I am really hoping that these additional victims will force the DA to investigate The Second Mile staff and administrators. Many at TSM had to know that Jerry was putrid before the 1998 shower investigation. He started TSM for the purpose of harvesting boys and therefore, he started molesting them as soon as the opportunity arose at TSM facilities. TSM was a foster home facility and a residential treatment facility.

Twindad
08-27-2012, 01:43 PM
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/06/22/3238067/man-30-gives-interview-alleging.html

So Sandusky is coaching at the 1995 Rose bowl and brings Travis Weaver with him. Also while there is is on the phone to Judge Grine making sure his adoption of Matt is completed!

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2118190,00.html

HMSHood
08-29-2012, 11:27 AM
Since Jerry Sandusky grew up at Brownson House, I wonder if he targeted anyone who went through Brownson House. There is also Ernie or Big Ern that Sandusky befriended and those mentally challenged and underprivileged he befriended as well. I shudder to think that there are many more victims that were raped in Penn State and went unreported or even reported but nothing happened. How much did the Penn State administration and Joe Paterno know even before 1998?

HMSHood
10-11-2012, 11:26 AM
Convict claims abuse by Jerry Sandusky
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1061166518

A 40-year-old career con brought up in the Bay State is claiming he, too, was sexually molested by Jerry Sandusky while attending a weeklong camp at Penn State for athletically gifted high school football players in 1988, his lawyer said yesterday.

Garabedian said his client was 16 and playing ball at a Massachusetts high school when he attended the camp. The man told Garabedian that Sandusky molested him twice ďon the Penn State campus.Ē

StellarsJay
10-30-2012, 01:14 AM
Sounds believable:

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – A 57-year-old man has told the KDKA Investigators that he was sexually assaulted by Jerry Sandusky more than 40 years ago.

This is the first case outside of the Penn State scandal.

The man told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that he was sexually assaulted in the basement of a recreation center started by the Sandusky family in the late 1950s in Washington, Pa.

The facility is called the Brownson House.

The man, who has been interviewed by police, said he was sexually assaulted when he was 11-years-old. Jerry Sandusky was 22-years-old at the time...

Sources tell the KDKA Investigators the 57-year-old man is the third man who claims he was sexually assaulted at the Brownson House more than 40 years ago.http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/man-claims-sandusky-sexually-assaulted-him-over-40-years-ago/

Reader
10-30-2012, 06:06 AM
That's what several of us were saying even before the trial....I thought he began assaulting children as an older teen....the family's recreation center was his first good hunting ground and he set out to create another one with the 2nd Mile....you don't become a predator overnight, at 50 or due to opportunity....he created his own opportunities....with help and other closed, not-wanting-to-see=what-I'm-seeing-eyes........mostly because these enablers got some type of advantage out of covering up for him....kept him as a great coach...a provider...., etc.

azwriter
10-30-2012, 04:40 PM
Since Jerry Sandusky grew up at Brownson House, I wonder if he targeted anyone who went through Brownson House. There is also Ernie or Big Ern that Sandusky befriended and those mentally challenged and underprivileged he befriended as well. I shudder to think that there are many more victims that were raped in Penn State and went unreported or even reported but nothing happened. How much did the Penn State administration and Joe Paterno know even before 1998?

Well, after reading on Facebook today, I would say this is an excellent question.

There is a site on Facebook for those of us who grew up in the Washington, Pa area. This morning I read a post that on KDKA-TV (a Pittsburgh station) a man, 57 years old was interviewed (on Oct. 29) and claimed he was molested by Jerry at the Brownson House when the man was 11 years old. His name was not given and his face wasn't shown according to the post I read.

If my math is good enough this would mean Jerry was around 22 when this happened (if it did happen) and that would be about 1966, possibily as he graduated from Penn State. I wasn't living in the town then, but I could imagine Jerry would return to his home town maybe for a summer visit as many of us would.

I am not familiar with a kid or guy named Ernie or Ern. I think perhaps Jerry would make that up for his book. I didn't hang out a lot at the Brownson facility, since I lived on the other side of town. But I was familiar with the place and Jerry's remarkable parents. They were great people.

azwriter
10-30-2012, 04:46 PM
Sounds believable:

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) Ė A 57-year-old man has told the KDKA Investigators that he was sexually assaulted by Jerry Sandusky more than 40 years ago.

This is the first case outside of the Penn State scandal.

The man told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that he was sexually assaulted in the basement of a recreation center started by the Sandusky family in the late 1950s in Washington, Pa.

The facility is called the Brownson House.

The man, who has been interviewed by police, said he was sexually assaulted when he was 11-years-old. Jerry Sandusky was 22-years-old at the time...

Sources tell the KDKA Investigators the 57-year-old man is the third man who claims he was sexually assaulted at the Brownson House more than 40 years ago.http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/man-claims-sandusky-sexually-assaulted-him-over-40-years-ago/

Hmmm, didn't see your post. I just posted the same story. I got it from a Facebook page set up for those of us who grew up in Washington, Pa. I find this news very sad. And, creepy. Thanks for your post.

HMSHood
10-30-2012, 09:09 PM
Sounds believable:

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – A 57-year-old man has told the KDKA Investigators that he was sexually assaulted by Jerry Sandusky more than 40 years ago.

This is the first case outside of the Penn State scandal.

The man told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that he was sexually assaulted in the basement of a recreation center started by the Sandusky family in the late 1950s in Washington, Pa.

The facility is called the Brownson House.

The man, who has been interviewed by police, said he was sexually assaulted when he was 11-years-old. Jerry Sandusky was 22-years-old at the time...

Sources tell the KDKA Investigators the 57-year-old man is the third man who claims he was sexually assaulted at the Brownson House more than 40 years ago.http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/man-claims-sandusky-sexually-assaulted-him-over-40-years-ago/

Some of the comments left at the link are just sickening. Must be perverts.

I am not surprised that Jerry Sandusky started molesting children at the Brownson House. So many children go through there, which would give Sandusky access to them. I suspect there are way more victims.

Documents Raise Questions About Number Of Alleged Sandusky Victims
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/30/documents-raise-questions-about-number-of-alleged-sandusky-victims/

azwriter
11-01-2012, 07:55 PM
Some of the comments left at the link are just sickening. Must be perverts.

I am not surprised that Jerry Sandusky started molesting children at the Brownson House. So many children go through there, which would give Sandusky access to them. I suspect there are way more victims.

Documents Raise Questions About Number Of Alleged Sandusky Victims
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/30/documents-raise-questions-about-number-of-alleged-sandusky-victims/

It's called the Bronson House. The news story had it wrong it's not Brownson.

HMSHood
11-05-2012, 06:34 PM
I happen to look at Freeh Report and coaches and staffs often saw Jerry Sandusky showering with boys prior to the May 1998 incident. I have to wonder if Joe Paterno saw Sandusky showering with boys.

Freeh Report
http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf


There is also this recent article.

Jerry Sandusky scandal one year later: A lot has happened in a year, and there's more to come
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/11/jerry_sandusky_scandal_one_yea.html

Changes to the law likely won’t help many of the men who have recently come forward to say they were abused as far back as the 1950s, long before Sandusky was an established pillar of the Happy Valley community.

4Jacy
11-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Does anyone have information on JS as to how is he: being treated in prison; how he is treating others; what his mood and demeanor is? I hope all is he// on earth for this BASTA-D!!!!

Reader
11-05-2012, 10:29 PM
Does anyone have information on JS as to how is he: being treated in prison; how he is treating others; what his mood and demeanor is? I hope all is he// on earth for this BASTA-D!!!!

J. J. posted this on another thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jerry Sandusky sentenced: 30-60 years


He'll be in protective custody and have little or no contact with other inmates.

But don't you know he will be miserable....nobody to manipulate, nobody to impress with his football stories, nobody to take showers with,....and I've heard that prison guards are not very friendly....lol

HMSHood
11-05-2012, 10:33 PM
J. J. posted this on another thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jerry Sandusky sentenced: 30-60 years (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8523791&postcount=52)



But don't you know he will be miserable....nobody to manipulate, nobody to impress with his football stories, nobody to take showers with,....and I've heard that prison guards are not very friendly....lol

He is isolated from others. Isolation can drive a person into madness. Sandusky likes being around people and when he is isolated from others, he will go nuts.

katydid23
11-05-2012, 10:37 PM
I hope the isolation does drive him nuts. GOOD. Glad to hear it.

HMSHood
11-28-2012, 11:39 PM
I happen to look at Freeh Report and coaches and staffs often saw Jerry Sandusky showering with boys prior to the May 1998 incident. I have to wonder if Joe Paterno saw Sandusky showering with boys.

Freeh Report
http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf


There is also this recent article.

Jerry Sandusky scandal one year later: A lot has happened in a year, and there's more to come
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/11/jerry_sandusky_scandal_one_yea.html

Changes to the law likely wonít help many of the men who have recently come forward to say they were abused as far back as the 1950s, long before Sandusky was an established pillar of the Happy Valley community.

If men are coming forward to say that Jerry Sandusky abused them in the 1950s, it is likely that Sandusky started to molest people as early as his teens or even tweens.

Zak
01-22-2013, 09:57 PM
It's called the Bronson House. The news story had it wrong it's not Brownson.

Please allow me to make a correction. I've lived in Washington Pa all of my life and its the Brownson House. Here is a link to the website: http://www.brownsonhouse.org/

HMSHood
01-22-2013, 10:03 PM
I wonder if anymore people have come forward.

Twindad
02-04-2013, 11:45 AM
Victims 4, 7, and 10 all testified that Sandusky abused them prior to 98. I believe victim 7 was the earliest one to have contact with Sandusky. Sandusky met him in 1994. So we know Sandusky was already molesting boys prior to 98.

http://www.yardbird.com/Sandusky_victims_in_their_own_words.htm

J. J. in Phila
02-04-2013, 01:04 PM
http://www.yardbird.com/Sandusky_victims_in_their_own_words.htm

I would not use that site as a good source.

Twindad
03-05-2013, 09:49 PM
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45283472/ns/sports-college_football/
"He is a childhood victim of sexual abuse, and a former assistant coach at Penn State, working on the same staff as Sandusky under Paterno."

HMSHood
03-11-2013, 01:34 PM
Since we have some information about 1998 and after. I wonder if there were cover ups before 1998.

Reader
03-12-2013, 02:26 AM
Posting this article here since it concerns old cases:

Pennsylvania House fight over statute of limitations for child sex victims intensifies

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/03/pa_house_fight_over_statute_of.html

A top midstate legislator said Monday he will not support efforts to create a temporary "window" for victims of long-ago child sex abuse cases to bring new civil suits against their alleged abusers or the institutions that employed them.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Ron Marsico's statement, coming after closed-door party caucuses on two amendments to create the so-called window, immediately cast doubt on whether supporters can force their proposal through the General Assembly this session................

Supporters argue that a belated ability to sue validates victims who have wrestled for years with their abuse, exposes perpetrators who may still be out there, and helps assure an end to years of cover-up by churches, school districts, camps and other entities..............

Twindad
03-12-2013, 09:12 AM
Since we have some information about 1998 and after. I wonder if there were cover ups before 1998.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandusky-offered-victim-contract/story?id=16539947

Even though 1998 is the "magic number" there is ample evidence just from known victims prior to 1998.

So why was 1998 selected as the start point? It would seem to me the closer you get to the beginning, the less confusion there would be.
Analogous to a flashlight shining. The further from the light, the more diffuse it is.

J. J. in Phila
03-12-2013, 09:16 AM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandusky-offered-victim-contract/story?id=16539947

Even though 1998 is the "magic number" there is ample evidence just from known victims prior to 1998.

So why was 1998 selected as the start point? It would seem to me the closer you get to the beginning, the less confusion there would be.
Analogous to a flashlight shining. The further from the light, the more diffuse it is.

Well, there has been no suggestion that anyone in LE, DPW, or PSU knew about any incident prior to 1998. Sandusky was active before that, but unknown.

BigCat
03-12-2013, 12:17 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/jerry_sandusky_adopted_son_had.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandusky-offered-victim-contract/story?id=16539947

Even though 1998 is the "magic number" there is ample evidence just from known victims prior to 1998.

So why was 1998 selected as the start point? It would seem to me the closer you get to the beginning, the less confusion there would be.
Analogous to a flashlight shining. The further from the light, the more diffuse it is.

That's a good question, one I've thought about quite a bit. In my opinion, 98 could be the starting point because that was the year Sandusky learned he would not become the next head coach at PSU. Perhaps the disappointment caused him to snap and fall deeper into his compulsion. Or maybe he just didn't care anymore and was willing to throw caution to the wind once the prospect of becoming the next head coach was no longer there. Also, there is the possibility his blatant crimes within the football building were a passive-aggressive attempt to damage Paterno. If so, then he certainly succeeded.

But there is also the possibility that he was not to become the next head coach because of a previous incident that was concealed. Here is a note, included in the Freeh report, that Paterno wrote, presumably, around 98:


We know this isnít easy for you and it isnít easy for us or Penn State. Part of the reason it isnít easy is because I allowed and at times tried to help you with your developing the 2í" Mile. If there were no 2"" Mile then I believe you belief (sp?) that you probably could be the next Penn State FB Coach. But you wanted the best of two worlds and I probably should have sat down with you 6 or 7 years ago and said "look Jerry if you want to be the Head Coach at Penn State, give up your association with the 2"Ď Mile and concentrate on nothing but your family and Penn State. Donít worry about the 2"" Mile Ė you donít have the luxury of doing both. One will always demand a decision of preference. You are too deeply involved in both.

Does it sound like Paterno knew about an allegation? Does it sound like Paterno finds Sandusky's obsession with the charity a bit creepy?

I tend to think not. I believe Paterno bought into the mythology he created about the Penn State football program, and he really believed one of his assistant coaches would rather spend time doing charity work than coaching football.

Of course, that only relates to Paterno. There are plenty of other folks in Centre County associated with Second Mile, law enforcement, CYS, etc. that could have had knowledge of his criminal behavior.

Twindad
03-13-2013, 09:21 AM
Well, there has been no suggestion that anyone in LE, DPW, or PSU knew about any incident prior to 1998. Sandusky was active before that, but unknown.

That seems a very broad statement. No one, ever?

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/11/11/concerns-about-sanduskys-behavior-started-in-1995/
Refers to this article http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

It would be safe to say someone knew something.

J. J. in Phila
03-13-2013, 09:59 AM
That seems a very broad statement. No one, ever?

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/11/11/concerns-about-sanduskys-behavior-started-in-1995/
Refers to this article http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

It would be safe to say someone knew something.

And nothing was reported to PSU, DPW, or LE, nor was there any suggestion of sexual abuse. Only the probation office, which was then handling the case of Matt Sandusky question Matt's placement with Sandusky, but not any impropriety on Jerry Sandusky's part.

I would add that some of what Sandusky was convicted of did predate 1998, and I strongly suspect that the monster was on the loose for a very long time.

HMSHood
03-13-2013, 12:23 PM
That seems a very broad statement. No one, ever?

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/11/11/concerns-about-sanduskys-behavior-started-in-1995/
Refers to this article http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

It would be safe to say someone knew something.


And nothing was reported to PSU, DPW, or LE, nor was there any suggestion of sexual abuse. Only the probation office, which was then handling the case of Matt Sandusky question Matt's placement with Sandusky, but not any impropriety on Jerry Sandusky's part.

I would add that some of what Sandusky was convicted of did predate 1998, and I strongly suspect that the monster was on the loose for a very long time.

Jerry Sandusky scandal one year later: A lot has happened in a year, and there's more to come
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/11/jerry_sandusky_scandal_one_yea.html

Changes to the law likely won’t help many of the men who have recently come forward to say they were abused as far back as the 1950s, long before Sandusky was an established pillar of the Happy Valley community.

I am not surprised that Sandusky has been doing this since he was probably a kid himself. I have read that coaches saw Sandusky frequently showering with boys before 1998.

A little off topic, but related, there were police records of Jimmy Savile going back to 1964.

One of Britain's most senior policemen warns of a new wave of 'Jimmy Saviles' because the courts put too much pressure on rape victims
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2291865/Jimmy-Savile-police-ignored-1964-report-DJ--celebrity.html#ixzz2NRFgY7Qt

BigCat
03-13-2013, 05:10 PM
And nothing was reported to PSU, DPW, or LE, nor was there any suggestion of sexual abuse. Only the probation office, which was then handling the case of Matt Sandusky question Matt's placement with Sandusky, but not any impropriety on Jerry Sandusky's part.

I would add that some of what Sandusky was convicted of did predate 1998, and I strongly suspect that the monster was on the loose for a very long time.

Sandusky met victims 4, 5, 6 & 7 between 94 and 97. That's still a fairly small window in the context of Sandusky's entire life. It's almost twenty years after he started the Second Mile. I understand that a pedophile isn't created in his 50's; nevertheless, based on what we know now, Sandusky's behavior appears to have entered a new phase around the early 90's.

Paterno wrote that he should have sat Sandusky down and told him to spend less time with the Second Mile between 6 and 7 years ago, that would have been around 91 and 92. I interpret that to mean his involvement with the Second Mile began to interfere with his job performance during that time. I could be wrong, though.

Another observation: victim 1 is, I believe, the only victim Sandusky met after2002. Without an association to Penn State football, Sandusky's ability to find and groom potential victims was greatly diminished.

JMO

Reader
03-13-2013, 05:14 PM
Youth sports organizations react to Jerry Sandusky child-sex-abuse scandal

http://www.ydr.com/sports/ci_22773187/youth-sports-organizations-react-sandusky-case

BALTIMOREóIn an effort to address child abuse in sports following the Jerry Sandusky case, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children will team with Cal Ripken, Sr. Foundation next week for a two-day summit.
With the goal of developing practices that can be applied industry-wide, more than 50 groups, including Special Olympics, USA Swimming, US Soccer, and Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, will participate in the summit on Tuesday and Wednesday in Alexandria, Va. ...............

Joe Ehrmann, a former NFL lineman and survivor of child sexual abuse, said of the summit: "I think this could be a pivotal moment in the history of youth sports. We're all aware there has been a tremendous amount of damage done to children throughout the country in sports and other venues." ......more..........

Rlaub44
03-13-2013, 08:32 PM
It's almost twenty years after he started the Second Mile. I understand that a pedophile isn't created in his 50's; nevertheless, based on what we know now, Sandusky's behavior appears to have entered a new phase around the early 90's.


As I've thought about this, I wonder if as a younger man, he may have recognized that he was a pedophile, but tried to deny it, throwing himself into football and legitimate acts through the Second Mile. I have read that many pedophiles gravitate toward careers involving children, because besides the sexual attraction, I believe Sandusky legitimately felt more comfortable around kids. For years, he may have denied that there was anything wrong with him.

Along the way, in addition to building his reputation, he began pushing the boundaries. It probably didn't start with pushing for sex - he may have enjoyed the body contact of just wrestling with his "kids". As that became accepted, I can see him testing the waters with massage, or as we heard from his victims, "cracking their backs". Each step along the way emboldened him to go a little farther.

His behaviors certainly didn't start in 1998, but I would suggest that there were lots of smaller steps on the way to bear hugs in the shower; may not have been anything that caught LE or DPW's attention, but enough that some of his budding victims would feel uncomfortable with his attention.

BigCat
03-14-2013, 08:29 AM
As I've thought about this, I wonder if as a younger man, he may have recognized that he was a pedophile, but tried to deny it, throwing himself into football and legitimate acts through the Second Mile. I have read that many pedophiles gravitate toward careers involving children, because besides the sexual attraction, I believe Sandusky legitimately felt more comfortable around kids. For years, he may have denied that there was anything wrong with him.

Along the way, in addition to building his reputation, he began pushing the boundaries. It probably didn't start with pushing for sex - he may have enjoyed the body contact of just wrestling with his "kids". As that became accepted, I can see him testing the waters with massage, or as we heard from his victims, "cracking their backs". Each step along the way emboldened him to go a little farther.

His behaviors certainly didn't start in 1998, but I would suggest that there were lots of smaller steps on the way to bear hugs in the shower; may not have been anything that caught LE or DPW's attention, but enough that some of his budding victims would feel uncomfortable with his attention.

An excellent assessment. Based on what we know, I would have to agree.

Also, the only two known eye witness accounts of Sandusky's crimes occurred in the 2000's, which supports the notion that his behavior was progressively getting more flagrant and reckless over time.

Twindad
03-14-2013, 09:17 AM
An excellent assessment. Based on what we know, I would have to agree.

Also, the only two known eye witness accounts of Sandusky's crimes occurred in the 2000's, which supports the notion that his behavior was progressively getting more flagrant and reckless over time.

I hope information from the numerous civil suits is made public as there are some from pre 1998.

HMSHood
03-19-2013, 05:39 PM
Since we have some information about 1998 and after. I wonder if there were cover ups before 1998.

Since police found criminal complaints for Jimmy Savile dating back to 1964. I wonder if police will find criminal complaints for Jerry Sandusky going back decades?

J. J. in Phila
12-18-2013, 11:21 PM
The release Baldwin's testimony mentioned that the AG was investigating from 1984-85.