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linette
07-17-2012, 07:29 AM
Hope it's busier here than the other thread. lol
bellgirl
07-17-2012, 07:34 AM
Hope it's busier here than the other thread. lol
Another drip from the QPS feeder would help! Pleeaassee! :please:
linette
07-17-2012, 07:37 AM
Another drip from the QPS feeder would help! Pleeaassee! :please:
YES!!!! Someone please say something?:please:
DrWatson
07-17-2012, 07:42 AM
YES!!!! Someone please say something?:please:
Just been watching that wonderful old movie on TV, with all the old regular British comedians - "The Plank" - in honour of Eric Sykes who died a couple of days ago at the age of 89.
But, back to the case - what's the bit about chooks, brothels, and all that stuff? I must have missed all that in my skimming to catch up....
they'll get you
07-17-2012, 07:46 AM
Suggestion, If GBC had said that he and 'PashPop Incorporated' were out looking for Allison all night that would have explained all the car movements at roundabout, the bus shelter and phone pings but instead he said he was asleep all night and woke up to find her missing. What a twist of fate that could have been? He thought he was invincible & smarter than most, but ha they gotcha. Yes greed is a terrible thing <modsnip>
pulpfiction
07-17-2012, 07:46 AM
That may explain the extramarital activities too in the sense he's been trying to recoup the affection and attention he missed.
Exactly. Requires no conscience :)
linette
07-17-2012, 07:47 AM
Just been watching that wonderful old movie on TV, with all the old regular British comedians - "The Plank" - in honour of Eric Sykes who died a couple of days ago at the age of 89.
But, back to the case - what's the bit about chooks, brothels, and all that stuff? I must have missed all that in my skimming to catch up....
At last!!! So... were brothels mentioned? I was wondering, but thought I might have missed something.
Those old British movies can be funny.
pulpfiction
07-17-2012, 07:49 AM
That may explain the extramarital activities too in the sense he's been trying to recoup the affection and attention he missed.
:)
Sorry could quote the poster who wrote the above.
Anyway. They often treat women coldly and in a controlling manner. Most aren't interested in re-couping affection. They're often more interested control and punishment when they become violent. Their comfort lies only in themselves.
possumheart
07-17-2012, 07:50 AM
FFS I get it now re: **oth**. a little bit slow but :imok:
DrWatson
07-17-2012, 07:51 AM
I think we both missed it - I'm going to have to trawl back through the old thread later to see what it was all about.... Time for beauty sleep - crack o'dawn start tomorrow.
BJsleuth
07-17-2012, 07:55 AM
Sorry could quote the poster who wrote the above.
Anyway. They often treat women coldly and in a controlling manner. Most aren't interested in re-couping affection. They're often more interested control and punishment when they become violent. Their comfort lies only in themselves.
People are just means to an end for them right?
linette
07-17-2012, 08:00 AM
People are just means to an end for them right?
I'm not saying this is fact, it's just MO... maybe GBC wasn't capable of what we know as 'love'. Maybe he couldn't get that close feeling because he didn't have it in him. This would also explain the affairs and the non caring attiude he displayed after she was missing and even after her body was found.
As we all know there are people like this, they sort of just don't 'get it'.
Maybe it's heriditary. :)
linette
07-17-2012, 08:03 AM
I think we both missed it - I'm going to have to trawl back through the old thread later to see what it was all about.... Time for beauty sleep - crack o'dawn start tomorrow.
Don't bother looking for the 'brothel' talk... I think that was just me... I think I misunderstood someone's post. :blushing: Naughty me!!
LollyPop
07-17-2012, 08:04 AM
I've been reading with great fascination since early threads but have missed a few pages here and there so apologies if going over old ground. Have we heard anything about clothes GBC was wearing the night/morning of? Surely if blood was found in the car, there might also be blood on his clothes or shoes? He was pretty sure of what Allson was wearing when she "went missing" so can only assume he also knew exactly what he was wearing hat night? MOO
LollyPop
07-17-2012, 08:06 AM
I've been reading with great fascination since early threads but have missed a few pages here and there so apologies if going over old ground. Have we heard anything about clothes GBC was wearing the night/morning of? Surely if blood was found in the car, there might also be blood on his clothes or shoes? He was pretty sure of what Allson was wearing when she "went missing" so can only assume he also knew exactly what he was wearing hat night? MOO
"that" night :)
possumheart
07-17-2012, 08:09 AM
Johnny Dowd - John Deere Yeller
Can't link the video on an iPhone with cold fingers
linette
07-17-2012, 08:12 AM
Johnny Dowd - John Deere Yeller
►*2:23►*2:23
www.youtube.com/watc...
24 Feb 2012
Album: Wrong Side of Memphis (1998)
It's asking me to subscribe?
ollijack
07-17-2012, 08:13 AM
I wonder if NBC had flings through his marriage
linette
07-17-2012, 08:15 AM
I wonder if NBC had flings through his marriage
IMO he comes across like he might fancy himself too... so you never know.
Bayside
07-17-2012, 08:17 AM
I wonder if NBC had flings through his marriage
Yeah I wondered the same, there is a pic of the BC parents and the way she holds him around the neck is real clingy.
I cant post it as I am on ipad, but it was a profile pic of theirs n facebook.
possumheart
07-17-2012, 08:20 AM
I've been reading with great fascination since early threads but have missed a few pages here and there so apologies if going over old ground. Have we heard anything about clothes GBC was wearing the night/morning of? Surely if blood was found in the car, there might also be blood on his clothes or shoes? He was pretty sure of what Allson was wearing when she "went missing" so can only assume he also knew exactly what he was wearing hat night? MOO
I expect he was wearing a white shirt with pink pinstripes, black pants, craaaaazy socks and black shoes topped off with a mustard corporate jacket and a few medals.
possumheart
07-17-2012, 08:22 AM
It's asking me to subscribe?
Can't link the video on an iPhone with cold fingers
Opinionsgalore
07-17-2012, 08:23 AM
Yeah I wondered the same, there is a pic of the BC parents and the way she holds him around the neck is real clingy.
I cant post it as I am on ipad, but it was a profile pic of theirs n facebook.
I thought the same thing !!
Just something about her (probably brought on by the granny pash) ......
This is MOO.
ollijack
07-17-2012, 08:24 AM
I expect he was wearing a white shirt with pink pinstripes, black pants, craaaaazy socks and black shoes topped off with a mustard corporate jacket and a few medals.
Yep his medals for bravery integrity and all round nice bloke. :rocker:
BJsleuth
07-17-2012, 08:27 AM
I've been reading with great fascination since early threads but have missed a few pages here and there so apologies if going over old ground. Have we heard anything about clothes GBC was wearing the night/morning of? Surely if blood was found in the car, there might also be blood on his clothes or shoes? He was pretty sure of what Allson was wearing when she "went missing" so can only assume he also knew exactly what he was wearing hat night? MOO
Good thinking! Surely it would be S.O.P for police to take those? I hope so!
Crime and punishment
07-17-2012, 08:49 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158612/Scout-movement-founder-Lord-Baden-Powells-great-grandson-charged-murdering-wife.html
Article from UK Daily Mail -interestingly states GBC last saw Allison when they went to sleep together.
Apologies if this has already done the rounds.
J-Diggety
07-17-2012, 09:11 AM
Anyone got anything real?
Wish we had some meat, facts, getting bored of the soup.
Sorry if this offends some but seriously Squiz, do not explain yourself again.
If people want to believe what you said then they do , if you don't then that's their choice to disagree.
What I am trying to say is that you DO NOT have to try and convince anyone anymore.
I have no idea why I am protective of you but I just feel like sticking up for you. It's my own little leave squiz alone fan club : ) Originally posted by Curisousasacat
Curious - I was also protective of Squizzey when he first posted and even went so far as to pm him about stating too much info which could have compromised him.
So you are not alone in that arena.
I recently posted about the time of the person being at the bus stop changing - which I find confusing.
If anyone here posted one thing one day then an important fact such as a time was changed to something else on another day, it would create confusion here and people would ask questions.
I am not sure if your post was indirectly directed at what I was asking but as far as I am concerned, the times have changed and quite considerably - by hours; originally 11.30pm to the wee hours of the morning.
MOO
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/gerard-baden-clays-parents-refused-to-give-interviews-during-effort-to-death-of-allison-baden-clay-court-documents-claim/story-
the case of the strange disappearing articles tonight
That link is broken Possumheart :)
possumheart
07-17-2012, 09:19 AM
That link is broken Possumheart :)
Irony
Berry
07-17-2012, 09:19 AM
That may explain the extramarital activities too in the sense he's been trying to recoup the affection and attention he missed.
Exactly. Requires no conscience :)
Hello Pulp...what have you been verified as....cannot see you on the list yet buddy, so are you 'someone who is verified'.........
ellou
07-17-2012, 09:40 AM
People are just means to an end for them right?
So very true my friend.
Curiousasacat
07-17-2012, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Curisousasacat
Curious - I was also protective of Squizzey when he first posted and even went so far as to pm him about stating too much info which could have compromised him.
So you are not alone in that arena.
I recently posted about the time of the person being at the bus stop changing - which I find confusing.
If anyone here posted one thing one day then an important fact such as a time was changed to something else on another day, it would create confusion here and people would ask questions.
I am not sure if your post was indirectly directed at what I was asking but as far as I am concerned, the times have changed and quite considerably - by hours; originally 11.30pm to the wee hours of the morning.
MOO
Hey mani, Sorry, I knew there was one of 'us" that questioned the Squiz.
My point was that he has said what he knows but we keep pestering him about it. I must admit I did raise my eyebrows at the different times stated but I think the witness that Squiz knows so well would be in a bit of trouble for mentioning the time.
Just another piece of this confusing puzzle.
Curiousasacat
07-17-2012, 02:32 PM
Some more spooky similarities in the Rayney case-
Mr Agius said Rayney had also lost $46,800 in one year gambling on anything from volleyball to the Logies and reality television show Dancing On Ice.
The prosecution alleges Ms Rayney believed her husband had a big secret and she was going to use information she had against him to keep custody of their children and their home after their divorce.
Snipped
The prosecution said Ms Rayney suffered fatal head, spinal and neck injuries before being dragged by the arms and feet to the back seat of her car and then being buried at Kings Park.
During the move, her bra collected soil, her hair picked up seed pods and fragments of paint in red brick dust particles were collected in scratches on her boots which provided "traces to indicate where she had been".
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8500636/soil-seeds-figure-in-rayney-murder-trial
I feel we will be reading a similar news article. Oh in about 2-3 years!
J-Diggety
07-17-2012, 04:26 PM
No dout he did...
Proof?
Maigret
07-17-2012, 04:43 PM
That is quite chilling about Rayney. Poor woman
pulpfiction
07-17-2012, 05:06 PM
People are just means to an end for them right?
Sorry...totally fell asleep with iPad last night! Woke up cold with it still on my chest lol.
Yes, everyone serves a purpose for them if they engage with them. They aren't a type who just gets pleasure from "being" with others. There is motive in all their close or intimate dealings. However, if they are "dumped" it then you see you the absolute volcano eruption of emotions that has long been internalized and not expresses...and that is because they have lost "hand" ie. there perceived sense of power. When they lose that they are vulnerable and very, very dangerous. They panic and freak out often. Seen it in prison many times and it often fuels DV. Btw...I'm not the one in the cage haha.
summer_breeze
07-17-2012, 05:09 PM
Last warning!
All avatar, food, etc. etc. conversation must go in the Chit Chat and Banter thread.
Timeouts will be issued for "off topic" posts such as avatars, food, etc. going forward.
Fuskier
07-17-2012, 05:11 PM
I've been reading with great fascination since early threads but have missed a few pages here and there so apologies if going over old ground. Have we heard anything about clothes GBC was wearing the night/morning of? Surely if blood was found in the car, there might also be blood on his clothes or shoes? He was pretty sure of what Allson was wearing when she "went missing" so can only assume he also knew exactly what he was wearing hat night? MOO
LOLLYPOP: Yes. Where are the clothes an shoes he was wearing that night? Surely there may be blood on them. This is what KEENTOKNOW and others were referring to early last Thread. Do we know if his clothes/shoes have been found/tested etc?
Maigret
07-17-2012, 05:35 PM
A story of diligent police work and phone tapping
http://www.watoday.com.au/nsw/how-a-stolen-mobile-phone-brought-down-a-brutal-killer-20120623-20uw9.html
Hey mani, Sorry, I knew there was one of 'us" that questioned the Squiz.
My point was that he has said what he knows but we keep pestering him about it. I must admit I did raise my eyebrows at the different times stated but I think the witness that Squiz knows so well would be in a bit of trouble for mentioning the time.
Just another piece of this confusing puzzle.
Ah Curious, that makes sense - thank you. I understand what you mean and thanks for pointing that out. :)
Aunty
07-17-2012, 05:52 PM
Sorry...totally fell asleep with iPad last night! Woke up cold with it still on my chest lol.
Yes, everyone serves a purpose for them if they engage with them. They aren't a type who just gets pleasure from "being" with others. There is motive in all their close or intimate dealings. However, if they are "dumped" it then you see you the absolute volcano eruption of emotions that has long been internalized and not expresses...and that is because they have lost "hand" ie. there perceived sense of power. When they lose that they are vulnerable and very, very dangerous. They panic and freak out often. Seen it in prison many times and it often fuels DV. Btw...I'm not the one in the cage haha.
Pulp, You know so much about this personality type.
I wish I had someone like you to explain how dangerous this personality was, when I was struggling in my marriage. I stayed because I didn't understand it. I had never known that a person could hate me that much.
Knowledge is power, and this knowledge wasn't available to me when I sought it. I did seek it but couldn't get a disorder confirmed.
Love your work and every word you write here. :woohoo: xxxxxooooo
You are a powerful voice here , please keep it up. Love you xxxx
linette
07-17-2012, 05:55 PM
Your way with words ,reminds me of a place I have once been .You sound like "my" special person ,my shrink that is ,that I needed once,when my life,was so very messed up.
Oh, not really just once.Try 6 days a weekfor many many years ....I am all healed now.
Long process though.
The man I married ,nearly destroyed me ,and yes he tried too make up for affection ,or lack of through,lackof guidance ,parenting,love and affection.
His father had no time for him ,abusive ,wandering eye ,controlled ,abused his mumma,along with he and his brother,favoured the daughter .
I had 4 children with this man,and he hated my guts,because of how I was raised.
Everything was always my fault..He hated me ,my father did love me ,my Mumma did care for my sister and I .Sometime on nights ,when I can't sleep ,I think I could have been Allison,if I had not found the special person that,helped me break free.
I think Allison was ready too break free.
I think maybe that was why she and Gerrad were seeing a therapist,she wanted out ,....and wanted too make sure the transition was as easy as it,could be for their girls.
If he is the way I think he is ,he doesn't like too lose,there are people that won't stop at ripping lives in half,tearing families,children and hearts in two
My experience was very similar, and I also found someone who helped us get away from it... and I am glad that you got away, time helps the healing doesn't it?
GBC strikes me as someone who {IMO} may not have been violent all the time, maybe not at all, but could have been very strong on the controlling and emotional abuse. The emotional abuse is the one that wears you down, and there's no bruises or scars to prove at exists.
The fact that he has had affairs etc shows that he had little respect for his wife and daughters. I know, not everyone who has an affair is a bad person, but this guy is a repeat offender. He seems to hold himself in high regard. All about him. Allsion may not have feared for her life that night until it actually happened. She may have been use to the anger and arrogance and threats, but even she may not have thought he would ever take things to that extreme.
CouchCop
07-17-2012, 06:13 PM
Thanks to Marlywings and Doc Watson for clarifying matters regarding pinging and ponging of phones. Wow, it's incredible! Big Brother should be renamed Giant Brother!!! I would imagine that phone records will serve an enormous role (even if largely for "circumstantial" purposes) in any forthcoming trial. Just think, the locations of sleezy rendezvous will all come out in the open, but more importantly, information about the movements of the GBC/NBC/OW phones on that tragic night.
Gemini Girl
07-17-2012, 07:05 PM
Some more spooky similarities in the Rayney case-
Mr Agius said Rayney had also lost $46,800 in one year gambling on anything from volleyball to the Logies and reality television show Dancing On Ice.
The prosecution alleges Ms Rayney believed her husband had a big secret and she was going to use information she had against him to keep custody of their children and their home after their divorce.
Snipped
The prosecution said Ms Rayney suffered fatal head, spinal and neck injuries before being dragged by the arms and feet to the back seat of her car and then being buried at Kings Park.
During the move, her bra collected soil, her hair picked up seed pods and fragments of paint in red brick dust particles were collected in scratches on her boots which provided "traces to indicate where she had been".
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8500636/soil-seeds-figure-in-rayney-murder-trial
I feel we will be reading a similar news article. Oh in about 2-3 years!
Hi all, Kimster/Summer Breeze, I wonder if we need a new "Corryn Rayney" or "Lloyd Rayney Trial" thread created. As this trial proceeds (started yesterday in Perth) suspect it will come up more and more frequently in discussion.
Just a thought
:fence:
JMO MOO
DrWatson
07-17-2012, 07:06 PM
Thanks to Marlywings and Doc Watson for clarifying matters regarding pinging and ponging of phones. Wow, it's incredible! Big Brother should be renamed Giant Brother!!! I would imagine that phone records will serve an enormous role (even if largely for "circumstantial" purposes) in any forthcoming trial. Just think, the locations of sleezy rendezvous will all come out in the open, but more importantly, information about the movements of the GBC/NBC/OW phones on that tragic night.
You're welcome, CC :) Just remember though, as Hawkins pointed out in a post a couple of weeks ago, that just because it can be proved that a phone did something, or went somewhere, that doesn't NECESSARILY prove that GBC (or anyone else) was the one using it. Of course, given the odds, it is by far the most likely case that it WAS, but it still needs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
My lovely wife has been known to leave her phone in all sorts of places - including my car. So tracking data would show that she was where I was, when she was probably out shoe-shopping somewhere...! Just as an example.
Gemini Girl
07-17-2012, 07:08 PM
Your way with words ,reminds me of a place I have once been .You sound like "my" special person ,my shrink that is ,that I needed once,when my life,was so very messed up.
Oh, not really just once.Try 6 days a weekfor many many years ....I am all healed now.
Long process though.
The man I married ,nearly destroyed me ,and yes he tried too make up for affection ,or lack of through,lackof guidance ,parenting,love and affection.
His father had no time for him ,abusive ,wandering eye ,controlled ,abused his mumma,along with he and his brother,favoured the daughter .
I had 4 children with this man,and he hated my guts,because of how I was raised.
Everything was always my fault..He hated me ,my father did love me ,my Mumma did care for my sister and I .Sometime on nights ,when I can't sleep ,I think I could have been Allison,if I had not found the special person that,helped me break free.
I think Allison was ready too break free.
I think maybe that was why she and Gerrad were seeing a therapist,she wanted out ,....and wanted too make sure the transition was as easy as it,could be for their girls.
If he is the way I think he is ,he doesn't like too lose,there are people that won't stop at ripping lives in half,tearing families,children and hearts in two
For example Lloyd Rayney Esq
JMO MOO
Firesnake
07-17-2012, 07:22 PM
April 21, 2012
Mr Baden-Clay voluntarily attended the Indooroopilly Police Station with his lawyers and voluntarily provided a DNA sample and allowed police to take photos of his body.
Scratches and abrasions on his chest, torso and neck were photographed.
Dr Watson
Could you please just in your opinion of course explain what ' abrasions ' could be...
I know we have discussed the scratches but what are abrasions? I just noticed the word abrasions while re reading some MSM articles.
Thanks
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz20vOqrDdg
DrWatson
07-17-2012, 07:29 PM
April 21, 2012
Mr Baden-Clay voluntarily attended the Indooroopilly Police Station with his lawyers and voluntarily provided a DNA sample and allowed police to take photos of his body.
Scratches and abrasions on his chest, torso and neck were photographed.
Dr Watson
Could you please just in your opinion of course explain what ' abrasions ' could be...
I know we have discussed the scratches but what are abrasions? I just noticed the word abrasions while re reading some MSM articles.
Thanks
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz20vOqrDdg
Abrasions are generally the same as what most people would call "grazes". They involve the scraping off of the surface epithelium, or layer of cells, to various depths. A football player sliding into goal would get abrasions on elbows and knees, for example.
Another example would be abrasions on the knuckles from hitting somebody hard enough, if you weren't a regular puncher with callouses on the knuckles.
If your kid falls over while playing in the yard, he'd be likely to have abrasions on his body, hands, maybe face, etc. The "skinned knee" is an abrasion.
Hope that makes sense...
EDIT: here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrasion_%28medical%29
squizzey1
07-17-2012, 07:31 PM
Yeah I wondered the same, there is a pic of the BC parents and the way she holds him around the neck is real clingy.
I cant post it as I am on ipad, but it was a profile pic of theirs n facebook.
my God and you said a boat. thats a jam tin ha ha
Firesnake
07-17-2012, 07:33 PM
Abrasions are generally the same as what most people would call "grazes". They involve the scraping off of the surface epithelium, or layer of cells, to various depths. A football player sliding into goal would get abrasions on elbows and knees, for example.
Another example would be abrasions on the knuckles from hitting somebody hard enough, if you weren't a regular puncher with callouses on the knuckles.
If your kid falls over while playing in the yard, he'd be likely to have abrasions on his body, hands, maybe face, etc. The "skinned knee" is an abrasion.
Hope that makes sense...
That makes perfect sense... Thanks for the explanation...
DunnoZo
07-17-2012, 08:01 PM
Just drove by the "old" (so I'm told) C21 in Kenmore. Doors are open and there's some construction action going on in there. Don't know what it means, but will keep an eye out. Maybe Mom & Dad are opening up shop again?
ollijack
07-17-2012, 08:10 PM
A story of diligent police work and phone tapping
http://www.watoday.com.au/nsw/how-a-stolen-mobile-phone-brought-down-a-brutal-killer-20120623-20uw9.html
That was excellent.....thankyou....xxx::rocker:
Justamum
07-17-2012, 08:14 PM
Hi all,
this is my first post, though I have been following this thread with great interest (and a bit of light entertainment thrown in) since its beginning. I was just looking thru some photos by the Herald Sun and came across this one of a police command centre set up on Busby Road near where and soon after ABC was found. Googled Busby Road and didn't come up with any such road in that area. Does anyone know where this might have been? Just made me curious as too the actual location. Thanks and you guys are awesome, just saying!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictures/gallery-e6frf94x-1226336989408?page=23
marlywings
07-17-2012, 08:15 PM
hi. i understand the trustees [ and no bcs are trustees] can use it now or at anytime for the girls
Yes correct squizz...
A trust fund has been set up for the daughters of Allison Baden-Clay. Donations can be made through the NAB to BSB: 084 737, account: 133 196 502, or via badenclay.appeal@gmail.com
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/allison-baden-clays-parents-say-they-are-staying-strong-for-their-granddaughters/story-e6freoof-1226355251556
linette
07-17-2012, 08:16 PM
Hi all,
this is my first post, though I have been following this thread with great interest (and a bit of light entertainment thrown in) since its beginning. I was just looking thru some photos by the Herald Sun and came across this one of a police command centre set up on Busby Road near where and soon after ABC was found. Googled Busby Road and didn't come up with any such road in that area. Does anyone know where this might have been? Just made me curious as too the actual location. Thanks and you guys are awesome, just saying!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictures/gallery-e6frf94x-1226336989408?page=23
WELCOME :cheer: ... I don't know the answer to your question, so Ill stick with the 'welcome'. lol
squizzey1
07-17-2012, 08:17 PM
Yes correct squizz...
A trust fund has been set up for the daughters of Allison Baden-Clay. Donations can be made through the NAB to BSB: 084 737, account: 133 196 502, or via badenclay.appeal@gmail.com
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/allison-baden-clays-parents-say-they-are-staying-strong-for-their-granddaughters/story-e6freoof-1226355251556
i knew it , bloody genius mw and thanks for the help
linette
07-17-2012, 08:19 PM
Yes correct squizz...
A trust fund has been set up for the daughters of Allison Baden-Clay. Donations can be made through the NAB to BSB: 084 737, account: 133 196 502, or via badenclay.appeal@gmail.com
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/allison-baden-clays-parents-say-they-are-staying-strong-for-their-granddaughters/story-e6freoof-1226355251556
I'm onto it, thanks MW :)
linette
07-17-2012, 08:22 PM
Just drove by the "old" (so I'm told) C21 in Kenmore. Doors are open and there's some construction action going on in there. Don't know what it means, but will keep an eye out. Maybe Mom & Dad are opening up shop again?
Maybe they're refurbishing for new tenants? Is the C21 signage still up and looking good? I thought they'd re-leased it perhaps?
DrWatson
07-17-2012, 08:22 PM
Hi all,
this is my first post, though I have been following this thread with great interest (and a bit of light entertainment thrown in) since its beginning. I was just looking thru some photos by the Herald Sun and came across this one of a police command centre set up on Busby Road near where and soon after ABC was found. Googled Busby Road and didn't come up with any such road in that area. Does anyone know where this might have been? Just made me curious as too the actual location. Thanks and you guys are awesome, just saying!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictures/gallery-e6frf94x-1226336989408?page=23
Morning, and welcome :)
There is no Busby Road out that way as far as I know, but I think the command centre was set up in Bunya St, just off the Mt Crosby Rd near Kholo Creek, if memory serves me correctly. So maybe the reporter got the Busby and the Bunya mixed up?
possumheart
07-17-2012, 08:27 PM
Hi all,
this is my first post, though I have been following this thread with great interest (and a bit of light entertainment thrown in) since its beginning. I was just looking thru some photos by the Herald Sun and came across this one of a police command centre set up on Busby Road near where and soon after ABC was found. Googled Busby Road and didn't come up with any such road in that area. Does anyone know where this might have been? Just made me curious as too the actual location. Thanks and you guys are awesome, just saying!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictures/gallery-e6frf94x-1226336989408?page=23
Hello Justamum and welcome. You are right ... I just googled it too and I tend to think they must have the name of the road wrong ... I had a look at the Anstead map and can't even find anything like Busby Road! :aktion1:
Justamum
07-17-2012, 08:32 PM
Thanks for the welcome guys, and yes the Bunya mix up makes sense, thank you :)
squizzey1
07-17-2012, 08:35 PM
Morning, and welcome :)
There is no Busby Road out that way as far as I know, but I think the command centre was set up in Bunya St, just off the Mt Crosby Rd near Kholo Creek, if memory serves me correctly. So maybe the reporter got the Busby and the Bunya mixed up?
Brookfield rd is sometimes referred to as Brooky rd, wonder if that could be it, just a stupid thought of mine ????????
marlywings
07-17-2012, 08:37 PM
Hi & welcome Justamum...there were a couple of mistakes made in media at different times. There is a Busby Road at Algester, which is another suburb of Brisbane although nowhere near Brookfield or Kholo/Anstead region. There was also another report which mentioned Birkdale, instead of Brookfield, which is also nowhere near the locations.
marlywings
07-17-2012, 08:47 PM
Morning, and welcome :)
There is no Busby Road out that way as far as I know, but I think the command centre was set up in Bunya St, just off the Mt Crosby Rd near Kholo Creek, if memory serves me correctly. So maybe the reporter got the Busby and the Bunya mixed up?
Yep Bunya St...
April 30, 2012
The police forward command post has moved to the intersection of Bunya Street and Mt Crosby Road
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-launch-unlawful-homicide-investigation-after-womans-body-found-20120430-1xu2l.html#ixzz20vl12QJ4
squizzey1
07-17-2012, 08:48 PM
Hi & welcome Justamum...there were a couple of mistakes made in media at different times. There is a Busby Road at Algester, which is another suburb of Brisbane although nowhere near Brookfield or Kholo/Anstead region. There was also another report which mentioned Birkdale, instead of Brookfield, which is also nowhere near the locations.
to the clever MW. i want to change name to Squiz do u know how to do that:banghead:
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 08:53 PM
Hi & welcome Justamum...there were a couple of mistakes made in media at different times. There is a Busby Road at Algester, which is another suburb of Brisbane although nowhere near Brookfield or Kholo/Anstead region. There was also another report which mentioned Birkdale, instead of Brookfield, which is also nowhere near the locations.
Really? Birkdale? I missed that one and the Algester one.. wow thats way out. Neither are really anywhere near Brookfield and Birkdale is really the other end of town.
possumheart
07-17-2012, 08:55 PM
to the clever MW. i want to change name to Squiz do u know how to do that:banghead:
I hear that hyphenated names are the new black
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 08:58 PM
no honey it is the girls fund and not separate. i just decided to fine fans for a bit of fun and something for the girls , i thought it was afun way of contributing a little, then i deciced i would match the fines as well
Perhaps if we were fined for offtopic posts we would have a fortune to give!.. I know I would have racked up a bit yesterday..
Actually speaking of off topic.. It appears one of my posts from last night was deleted- though it was not off topic. It was in relation to some info posted in the previous thread..all of which seems to have been left so not sure why mine was deleted.. I understand the off topic stuff was moved but.. Was hoping somebody may have been able to elaborate on my question I had posted, but it appears to have vanished.
I hear that hyphenated names are the new black
I heard they are dangerous and can be used as a weapon.
I'd love somewhere to go to talk about the Perth murder trial too. It sounds like this case in that they have a lot of circumstantial evidence.
I'm trying to think of something Allison-related so I'm not chit-chatting! What are the chances G dropped something or left some evidence of his somewhere? In the Perth case it sounds like it was greatly assisted by the accused dropping a name tag, and also wrecking the car on a bollard so it could only get a certain distance from the burial site. G wouldn't have been as smart as the accused barrister, but the barrister was alleged to have done it alone, and didn't have a wiley old assistant. IMO!
Gemini Girl
07-17-2012, 09:13 PM
I heard they are dangerous and can be used as a weapon.
I'd love somewhere to go to talk about the Perth murder trial too. It sounds like this case in that they have a lot of circumstantial evidence.
I'm trying to think of something Allison-related so I'm not chit-chatting! What are the chances G dropped something or left some evidence of his somewhere? In the Perth case it sounds like it was greatly assisted by the accused dropping a name tag, and also wrecking the car on a bollard so it could only get a certain distance from the burial site. G wouldn't have been as smart as the accused barrister, but the barrister was alleged to have done it alone, and didn't have a wiley old assistant. IMO!
I say the chances are very high GBC dropped something (or more than one something) somewhere. Suspect QPS have way more evidence than that of which we are currently aware.
All sorts of things coming out in the Rayney trial for example that have never been heard before. Same will happen here.
Agree, need a Rayney thread.
:twocents:
JMO MOO
marlywings
07-17-2012, 09:16 PM
Perhaps if we were fined for offtopic posts we would have a fortune to give!.. I know I would have racked up a bit yesterday..
Actually speaking of off topic.. It appears one of my posts from last night was deleted- though it was not off topic. It was in relation to some info posted in the previous thread..all of which seems to have been left so not sure why mine was deleted.. I understand the off topic stuff was moved but.. Was hoping somebody may have been able to elaborate on my question I had posted, but it appears to have vanished.
What was your question Unfolding??
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 09:18 PM
What was your question Unfolding??
I am not sure now if its something we aren't allowed to post. But it was in regards to talking about another possible mistress and I wasn't getting the hints that were given. I won't say anymore. Somebody has now elaborated for me and I think I'm on the same page now, lol. Don't think names or anything were mentioned, but guess its been deleted for a reason.
linette
07-17-2012, 09:22 PM
I am not sure now if its something we aren't allowed to post. But it was in regards to talking about another possible mistress and I wasn't getting the hints that were given. I won't say anymore. Somebody has now elaborated for me and I think I'm on the same page now, lol. Don't think names or anything were mentioned, but guess its been deleted for a reason.
I didn't see anything that I thought shouldn't be there, but you never know. Unless there was a glitch in the system?
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 09:24 PM
I didn't see anything that I thought shouldn't be there, but you never know. Unless there was a glitch in the system?
Its ok..Possibly got lumped in with the off topics maybe. But probably should stop talking about it now..or I'll get time out in the corner for more off topics!:innocent:
minni
07-17-2012, 09:52 PM
Abrasions are generally the same as what most people would call "grazes". They involve the scraping off of the surface epithelium, or layer of cells, to various depths. A football player sliding into goal would get abrasions on elbows and knees, for example.
Another example would be abrasions on the knuckles from hitting somebody hard enough, if you weren't a regular puncher with callouses on the knuckles.
If your kid falls over while playing in the yard, he'd be likely to have abrasions on his body, hands, maybe face, etc. The "skinned knee" is an abrasion.
Hope that makes sense...
EDIT: here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrasion_%28medical%29
the type you may get sliding down an embankment?
Rational
07-17-2012, 09:53 PM
http://findicons.com/icon/98522/foot_in_mouth?id=278228#
Especially for Minni!!!
Inspector
07-17-2012, 09:55 PM
Forgive me if this question has already been answered. Can anyone explain to me why NBC & EBC can refuse to talk to police? Especially given the police now have evidence of the FaceTime call being withheld from their previous talk with NBC.
Also, does anyone know who formally identified Allison's body? I really hope it wasn't her parents : (
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 10:01 PM
Forgive me if this question has already been answered. Can anyone explain to me why NBC & EBC can refuse to talk to police? Especially given the police now have evidence of the FaceTime call being withheld from their previous talk with NBC.
Also, does anyone know who formally identified Allison's body? I really hope it wasn't her parents : (
As far as why the BC seniors aren't talking, I guess none of us really know what they are thinking and why. Though a few could guess.
I am not really sure anyone formally identified Allisons Body. I could be wrong. But I think they did DNA or Dental tests. I know it took a day or so for her to be formally identified and given the decomposition, I would think it would not be by the family. MOO
minni
07-17-2012, 10:01 PM
http://findicons.com/icon/98522/foot_in_mouth?id=278228#
Especially for Minni!!!
off topic :silenced:
Inspector
07-17-2012, 10:05 PM
As far as why the BC seniors aren't talking, I guess none of us really know what they are thinking and why. Though a few could guess.
I am not really sure anyone formally identified Allisons Body. I could be wrong. But I think they did DNA or Dental tests. I know it took a day or so for her to be formally identified and given the decomposition. I would think it would not be by the family. MOO
I guess I just assumed in this situation that they would be made to talk to police. Its very frustrating that they can refuse and that it seems to be their right.
possumheart
07-17-2012, 10:07 PM
very nice minni
Barram5
07-17-2012, 10:07 PM
:coffeews::coffeews:Morning, and welcome :)
There is no Busby Road out that way as far as I know, but I think the command centre was set up in Bunya St, just off the Mt Crosby Rd near Kholo Creek, if memory serves me correctly. So maybe the reporter got the Busby and the Bunya mixed up?:floorlaugh:
Just been checking near map and other maps and they have somehow mixed Bunya and Crosby and came up with Busby. LOL
minni
07-17-2012, 10:11 PM
the type you may get sliding down an embankment?
These grazes on his stomach bring to mind an image of him, rolling Alliosn over the edge of the bridge, then him climbing the railing, and lowering himself over the edge, close to where the bridge starts.
When I thought about him sliding down the embankment, you would expect the grazes to be on his elbows (and I still believe I can see marks on both his left and his right elbows in the photos of him when he is first allowed back to the house, blue striped shirt)
But if he lowered himself over the edge he could easily graze his stomach when he slid down that concrete wall. Ill find a photo, bear with me :D
To back up the agrument that he left her at Wirra Burra Road, he could just as easily have grazed both the backs of his elbows and his stomach wriggling through that box culvert. (there is a thought Mani!!)
I know what Im suggesting isnt the nicest of thoughts, but its a big possibility in my eyes.
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 10:16 PM
I guess I just assumed in this situation that they would be made to talk to police. Its very frustrating that they can refuse and that it seems to be their right.
You are right we would assume that. But its not really the case. It is very frustrating and for the Police even more frustrating and infuriating. If they have nothing to hid, you would think it be in all best interests to give a statement about what they do or don't know. If indeed their son was innocent and there is nothing they know or have been part of that is incriminating, most people would do what they could to help the Police gt to the bottom of the crime. Outright refusal to talk or answer Police questions as has been stated regarding the facetime call, seems pretty hostile and that perhaps you do have something to hide. IMO
link to some information regarding rights and giving statements, answering questions etc...http://http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/police/article7 (http://www.lawstuff.org.au/qld_law/topics/police/article7)
BreakingNews
07-17-2012, 10:18 PM
Forgive me if this question has already been answered. Can anyone explain to me why NBC & EBC can refuse to talk to police? Especially given the police now have evidence of the FaceTime call being withheld from their previous talk with NBC.
Also, does anyone know who formally identified Allison's body? I really hope it wasn't her parents : (
Good questions, Inspector. To the police all you have to say is your name and address. Right to remain silent etc, particularly if you haven't been arrested. QPS might have used DNA or denture match to identify Allison to save the family. If they wanted a viewing before the funeral, she would have been made to look beautiful. Amazing what they can do.
UnfoldingTruth
07-17-2012, 10:22 PM
Good questions, Inspector. To the police all you have to say is your name and address. Right to remain silent etc, particularly if you haven't been arrested. QPS might have used DNA or denture match to identify Allison to save the family. If they wanted a viewing before the funeral, she would have been made to look beautiful. Amazing what they can do.
I hate to say it. But given the state her body may have been in after 11 days in the elements. I am not sure they could work that much magic to the point of what they would in normal situations. I do know my dear Uncle passed away on his own in his house and was not discovered for some 4-5 days. He was just about unrecognizable as we were told and it was not possible to have a viewing/open casket.
BreakingNews
07-17-2012, 10:26 PM
I hate to say it. But given the state her body may have been in after 11 days in the elements. I am not sure they could work that much magic to the point of what they would in normal situations. I do know my dear Uncle passed away on his own in his house and was not discovered for some 4-5 days. He was just about unrecognizable as we were told and it was not possible to have a viewing/open casket.
Thanks UT. I guess there is a limit to what they can do. However I was with my Dad as he died - not a pretty sight. Then when I saw his body before the funeral they had somehow repaired all the damage to his face, washed his hair, dressed him for fishing and put his slippers on.
Aunty
07-17-2012, 10:37 PM
I am interested to know who the financial adviser is. (FA)
I think this person will turn out to be a big player in all of this.
It was stated that GBC instructed his FA to make both insurance claims when a body was found, but Prior to the body being ID as being Allison.
So it was stated in affidavits that the FA made the calls to insurance companies that particular day.
I think the FA s actions are very very sus.
Was the FA just as desperate as GBC to collect the insurance monies?
Was the FA as stressed as GBC , and so ... didn't question, " hey Gerard, your a bit quick off the mark here, I will ring when it is confirmed it is your wife" or did the FA say, " ok, they found her where you left her. Bugger! Let's get the ball rolling so we can start rolling in $$$" Just seems sus to me that this FA , sees hears and says nothing. A little bit like other family members?
When the C21 site was up , I thought I read in NBCs profile that he was their financial and investment adviser.
Does anyone recall that?
Could it have been he who is the unnamed FA in the court affidavits?
The FA has been overlooked a bit, and I think is a main player in all of this.
FA would be implicated in the dodgy loans etc no doubt.
This will give us something to sleuth hey?
minni
07-17-2012, 10:38 PM
For the girls that were discussing the tree at Kholo Creek and the difficulty getting past it, I found this. It doesnt state clearly either way, but it shows that it is usually a problem, yet not this day, so it is doable:
The water level was too low to push on to the weir and the tide had turned. Lunch was had on a grassy bank on the right hand side near Johnson Rock which was now in full sun. A few paddlers went up Kholo Creek easily clearing the tree that usually blocks the creek around 300m from the entrance. It was only about another 300m before the creek ran low and into a rocky bed.
http://www.kayakdiary.net/index.php?tripid=2
marlywings
07-17-2012, 10:40 PM
Forgive me if this question has already been answered. Can anyone explain to me why NBC & EBC can refuse to talk to police? Especially given the police now have evidence of the FaceTime call being withheld from their previous talk with NBC.
Also, does anyone know who formally identified Allison's body? I really hope it wasn't her parents : (
The following was posted by a local member some time back...it's just dreadful to read though...
#1071 05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Keyboredom
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 323
Last post for the night - even I'm sick of me now ... Sorry to mass post ... but I have missed some opportunities
I'll pass on a couple of things I trust - or not - based on who they came from.
(possible) This is horrible, but as mentioned by others Allison's body was suggested to be in a very bad way. Nothing to do with missing limbs, but maybe missing organs and flesh from predator activity and/or decomposition. She was identified only by dental records and not required to be ID'ed by a family member. This is quite upsetting but maybe worth backing up previous suggestions. Claimed to come from 2 people - one connected to morgue and one to forensics. I'm not sure what to think as any footage of Allison's body appeared to show clothing kind of intact. Don't really want to dwell on the thoughts.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7959770&highlight=Allison%27s+body+suggested+bad#post79597 70
So do I recall correctly that I read in one of the media reports, or here, that the reason they may not arrest another person is because if his court case were pending then he would have a right to not answer questions at the GBC trial, but if he wasn't then he'd be made to answer?
Inspector
07-17-2012, 10:48 PM
The following was posted by a local member some time back...it's just dreadful to read though...
#1071 05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Keyboredom
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 323
Last post for the night - even I'm sick of me now ... Sorry to mass post ... but I have missed some opportunities
I'll pass on a couple of things I trust - or not - based on who they came from.
(possible) This is horrible, but as mentioned by others Allison's body was suggested to be in a very bad way. Nothing to do with missing limbs, but maybe missing organs and flesh from predator activity and/or decomposition. She was identified only by dental records and not required to be ID'ed by a family member. This is quite upsetting but maybe worth backing up previous suggestions. Claimed to come from 2 people - one connected to morgue and one to forensics. I'm not sure what to think as any footage of Allison's body appeared to show clothing kind of intact. Don't really want to dwell on the thoughts.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7959770&highlight=Allison%27s+body+suggested+bad#post79597 70
WOW no wonder you have the reputation for linking that you do...you are amazing!
minni
07-17-2012, 10:53 PM
The following was posted by a local member some time back...it's just dreadful to read though...
#1071 05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Keyboredom
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 323
Last post for the night - even I'm sick of me now ... Sorry to mass post ... but I have missed some opportunities
I'll pass on a couple of things I trust - or not - based on who they came from.
(possible) This is horrible, but as mentioned by others Allison's body was suggested to be in a very bad way. Nothing to do with missing limbs, but maybe missing organs and flesh from predator activity and/or decomposition. She was identified only by dental records and not required to be ID'ed by a family member. This is quite upsetting but maybe worth backing up previous suggestions. Claimed to come from 2 people - one connected to morgue and one to forensics. I'm not sure what to think as any footage of Allison's body appeared to show clothing kind of intact. Don't really want to dwell on the thoughts.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7959770&highlight=Allison%27s+body+suggested+bad#post79597 70
Marly, the reason I found the post I just put up referencing kayakers, is because I was looking into yet another rumour I heard. Someone said that much of the damage to Allisons body was made by prawns near the mouth of the creek. I thought that sounded bizarre (although I know that there are several predators in and around the creeks, including insects, so I thought I'd google it and so far I have discovered that it is in fact a very good spot for prawns to amass. Just browsing some sites now, but mostly for my own curiosity. RUMOUR ONLY
grannie
07-17-2012, 10:59 PM
GBC's still got 362 FB friends.. I wonder what's keeping them there..
Aunty
07-17-2012, 11:00 PM
I am interested to know who the financial adviser is. (FA)
I think this person will turn out to be a big player in all of this.
It was stated that GBC instructed his FA to make both insurance claims when a body was found, but Prior to the body being ID as being Allison.
So it was stated in affidavits that the FA made the calls to insurance companies that particular day.
I think the FA s actions are very very sus.
Was the FA just as desperate as GBC to collect the insurance monies?
Was the FA as stressed as GBC , and so ... didn't question, " hey Gerard, your a bit quick off the mark here, I will ring when it is confirmed it is your wife" or did the FA say, " ok, they found her where you left her. Bugger! Let's get the ball rolling so we can start rolling in $$$" Just seems sus to me that this FA , sees hears and says nothing. A little bit like other family members?
When the C21 site was up , I thought I read in NBCs profile that he was their financial and investment adviser.
Does anyone recall that?
Could it have been he who is the unnamed FA in the court affidavits?
The FA has been overlooked a bit, and I think is a main player in all of this.
FA would be implicated in the dodgy loans etc no doubt.
This will give us something to sleuth hey?
Just found this online:
Nigel Baden-Clay (F61) is a financial planner in Brisbane, Australia and married to Elaine with three children.
YoureNicked
07-17-2012, 11:01 PM
Hi all - just stopping by quickly but wanted to say thanks to pulpfiction for sharing his/her personal knowledge and experience re sociopathy and GBC. Pulp's post add confirmation to my existing belief that Gerard is a sociopath.
These types of people are like the 'black holes' of the human world. They suck in other people's energy and give very little out. When they do expend positive energy on another person, rest assured it's not out of the kindness of their hearts (they don't have any of that)...It is always with the intention of receiving more back. The 'payback' they expect from another is always greater than any 'payout' the sociopath gives.
MOO
Boldings are BY Me BBM
Originally posted by pulpfiction (post number 1833):
"Good point sociopathic behaviour stems often from a lack of empathy given to you as a child. The child then becomes detached, cold & unfeeling. They don't experience the range of emotions we do and frequently "act" what are normal feelings for us. They lack a moral compass and have no guilt for hurting others. Hence, it would seem to fit that given people aren't born evil (or with sociopathic traits) they are deprived of empathy from primary caregivers. In GBC case it might be expected that if he was not shown that level of empathy as a child from his family then it is quite possible their judgement, empathy & moral value system is decidedly different to most other people making them potentially capable of colluding with GBC. GBC seemed arrogant when I met him and a little self-absorbed. I believe senior BC has an element of that also."
pulpfiction (post 43):
"Yes, everyone serves a purpose for them if they engage with them. They aren't a type who just gets pleasure from "being" with others. There is motive in all their close or intimate dealings. However, if they are "dumped" it then you see you the absolute volcano eruption of emotions that has long been internalized and not expresses...and that is because they have lost "hand" ie. there perceived sense of power. When they lose that they are vulnerable and very, very dangerous. They panic and freak out often. Seen it in prison many times and it often fuels DV. Btw...I'm not the one in the cage haha. "
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Rational
07-17-2012, 11:03 PM
The following was posted by a local member some time back...it's just dreadful to read though...
#1071 05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Keyboredom
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 323
Last post for the night - even I'm sick of me now ... Sorry to mass post ... but I have missed some opportunities
I'll pass on a couple of things I trust - or not - based on who they came from.
(possible) This is horrible, but as mentioned by others Allison's body was suggested to be in a very bad way. Nothing to do with missing limbs, but maybe missing organs and flesh from predator activity and/or decomposition. She was identified only by dental records and not required to be ID'ed by a family member. This is quite upsetting but maybe worth backing up previous suggestions. Claimed to come from 2 people - one connected to morgue and one to forensics. I'm not sure what to think as any footage of Allison's body appeared to show clothing kind of intact. Don't really want to dwell on the thoughts.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7959770&highlight=Allison%27s+body+suggested+bad#post79597 70
Thanks Marly I had forgotten about that post. This may in fact mean that Allison was indeed dumped at Ugly Creek if there was a lot of damage to the body (decompositing flesh tumbling through water with rocks and branches etc). Not nice , but another part of the picture maybe.
IMOO
Also Squiz have donated via the NAB from Marly's info
grannie
07-17-2012, 11:09 PM
I am interested to know who the financial adviser is. (FA)
Here it says that NBC is a financial planner in Brisbane. What is F61?
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~petrean/pet1950.htm
squizzey1
07-17-2012, 11:14 PM
Thanks Marly I had forgotten about that post. This may in fact mean that Allison was indeed dumped at Ugly Creek if there was a lot of damage to the body (decompositing flesh tumbling through water with rocks and branches etc). Not nice , but another part of the picture maybe.
IMOO
Also Squiz have donated via the NAB from Marly's info
thanks R
Hi all - just stopping by quickly but wanted to say thanks to pulpfiction for sharing his/her personal knowledge and experience re sociopathy and GBC. Pulp's post add confirmation to my existing belief that Gerard is a sociopath.
These types of people are like the 'black holes' of the human world. They suck in other people's energy and give very little out. When they do expend positive energy on another person, rest assured it's not out of the kindness of their hearts (they don't have any of that)...It is always with the intention of receiving more back. The 'payback' they expect from another is always greater than any 'payout' the sociopath gives.
MOO
Boldings are BY Me BBM
Originally posted by pulpfiction (post number 1833):
"Good point sociopathic behaviour stems often from a lack of empathy given to you as a child. The child then becomes detached, cold & unfeeling. They don't experience the range of emotions we do and frequently "act" what are normal feelings for us. They lack a moral compass and have no guilt for hurting others. Hence, it would seem to fit that given people aren't born evil (or with sociopathic traits) they are deprived of empathy from primary caregivers. In GBC case it might be expected that if he was not shown that level of empathy as a child from his family then it is quite possible their judgement, empathy & moral value system is decidedly different to most other people making them potentially capable of colluding with GBC. GBC seemed arrogant when I met him and a little self-absorbed. I believe senior BC has an element of that also."
pulpfiction (post 43):
"Yes, everyone serves a purpose for them if they engage with them. They aren't a type who just gets pleasure from "being" with others. There is motive in all their close or intimate dealings. However, if they are "dumped" it then you see you the absolute volcano eruption of emotions that has long been internalized and not expresses...and that is because they have lost "hand" ie. there perceived sense of power. When they lose that they are vulnerable and very, very dangerous. They panic and freak out often. Seen it in prison many times and it often fuels DV. Btw...I'm not the one in the cage haha. "
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Here's an interesting site. They compare a few different personality types, that overlap a lot!
http://halfpint42592.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/sociopath-aspergersnarcissist-or-just-plain-selfish/
grannie
07-17-2012, 11:16 PM
Elaine Isobel Nora Hughes1
F, #63676
Last Edited=9 Jun 2012
Elaine Isobel Nora Hughes is the daughter of Albert Hughes. 1 She married Nigel Gerard Arden Baden-Clay, son of Gervas Charles Robert Clay and Hon. Betty St. Clair Baden-Powell, on 23 August 1969.1
From 23 August 1969, her married name became Clay.1 Her married name became Baden-Clay.
Children of Elaine Isobel Nora Hughes and Nigel Gerard Arden Baden-Clay:
Gerard Baden-Clay1 b. 1970
Olivia Baden-Clay1 b. 1973
Adam Baden-Clay1 b. 1975
Citations:
[S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 160. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
http://thepeerage.com/p6368.htm
Pseudonym
07-17-2012, 11:19 PM
Have recently caught up with a friend closely connected to where GBC is being held on remand. I asked how he was going and apparently he is coping but a sook.I also asked why NBC is not allowed a contact visit and its because it isnt as easy to observe and monitor a contact visit (eg bugging devices). Visits separated by the glass can be recorded . Word is they are hoping NBC will put his own hand up soon & take some of the heat. Also if its to be believed , there were more calls to NBC than released at the bail hearing . Maybe the prosecution didnt want to show their full hand too early. All just what i've heard &IMOO
squizzey1
07-17-2012, 11:35 PM
Have recently caught up with a friend closely connected to where GBC is being held on remand. I asked how he was going and apparently he is coping but a sook.I also asked why NBC is not allowed a contact visit and its because it isnt as easy to observe and monitor a contact visit (eg bugging devices). Visits separated by the glass can be recorded . Word is they are hoping NBC will put his own hand up soon & take some of the heat. Also if its to be believed , there were more calls to NBC than released at the bail hearing . Maybe the prosecution didnt want to show their full hand too early. All just what i've heard &IMOO
good stuff , we all knew he was a sook mummy's boy
possumheart
07-17-2012, 11:36 PM
Have recently caught up with a friend closely connected to where GBC is being held on remand. I asked how he was going and apparently he is coping but a sook.I also asked why NBC is not allowed a contact visit and its because it isnt as easy to observe and monitor a contact visit (eg bugging devices). Visits separated by the glass can be recorded . Word is they are hoping NBC will put his own hand up soon & take some of the heat. Also if its to be believed , there were more calls to NBC than released at the bail hearing . Maybe the prosecution didnt want to show their full hand too early. All just what i've heard &IMOO
Thanks Pseudonym! I wonder how being 'a sook' manifests itself in a remand situation?
Kimster
07-18-2012, 12:08 AM
Three reminders for the day:
Stay on topic. This thread is about Allison's murder. I've moved some off topic but important posts to threads about that topic here: Domestic Violence - Our Stories and Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
If you have information and cannot share it, don't say you have information and you can't share it. That's actually a WS Etiquette violation called "baiting" and can earn you a time out.
This is not the chit chat thread. I've had many complaints from your peers that the last thread that was supposed to be about Allison's murder was full of chit chat. It needs to stop.
This thread will reopen in five minutes - to give everyone a chance to read this post.
marlywings
07-18-2012, 12:28 AM
Have recently caught up with a friend closely connected to where GBC is being held on remand. I asked how he was going and apparently he is coping but a sook.I also asked why NBC is not allowed a contact visit and its because it isnt as easy to observe and monitor a contact visit (eg bugging devices). Visits separated by the glass can be recorded . Word is they are hoping NBC will put his own hand up soon & take some of the heat. Also if its to be believed , there were more calls to NBC than released at the bail hearing . Maybe the prosecution didnt want to show their full hand too early. All just what i've heard &IMOO
Thanks Pseudonym....no surprise he's being a sook...lol.
Another member, maverick.au, mentioned way back police have records of texts sent by GBC on that night. I do think the video call will be the big part of prison key for him., & also for NBC or whoever took the call, if police have been able to pull the whole call up. It will be interesting stuff hearing about all of that in time to come.
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 12:30 AM
Three reminders for the day:
Stay on topic. This thread is about Allison's murder. I've moved some off topic but important posts to threads about that topic here: Domestic Violence - Our Stories and Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178138)
If you have information and cannot share it, don't say you have information and you can't share it. That's actually a WS Etiquette violation called "baiting" and can earn you a time out.
This is not the chit chat thread. I've had many complaints from your peers that the last thread that was supposed to be about Allison's murder was full of chit chat. It needs to stop.
This thread will reopen in five minutes - to give everyone a chance to read this post.
Kimster, could we please have a "Corryn Rayney Murder" or "Lloyd Rayney Trial" thread regarding the trial (which started yesterday) of Lloyd Rayney in Perth, Western Australia, for the murder of his wife Corryn?
thanks
:)
MOO
minni
07-18-2012, 12:30 AM
Thanks Pseudonym....no surprise he's being a sook...lol.
Another member, maverick.au, mentioned way back police have records of texts sent by GBC on that night. I do think the video call will be the big part of prison key for him., & also for NBC or whoever took the call, if police have been able to pull the whole call up. It will be interesting stuff hearing about all of that in time to come.
Marly, remember the story that he spent the night frantically texting people and her friends etc, before deciding not to worry, and going to bed, or some such rubbish? I cant remember exactly but I know you can;) It was right back in the beginning?
marlywings
07-18-2012, 12:30 AM
I am interested to know who the financial adviser is. (FA)
I think this person will turn out to be a big player in all of this.
It was stated that GBC instructed his FA to make both insurance claims when a body was found, but Prior to the body being ID as being Allison.
So it was stated in affidavits that the FA made the calls to insurance companies that particular day.
I think the FA s actions are very very sus.
Was the FA just as desperate as GBC to collect the insurance monies?
Was the FA as stressed as GBC , and so ... didn't question, " hey Gerard, your a bit quick off the mark here, I will ring when it is confirmed it is your wife" or did the FA say, " ok, they found her where you left her. Bugger! Let's get the ball rolling so we can start rolling in $$$" Just seems sus to me that this FA , sees hears and says nothing. A little bit like other family members?
When the C21 site was up , I thought I read in NBCs profile that he was their financial and investment adviser.
Does anyone recall that?
Could it have been he who is the unnamed FA in the court affidavits?
The FA has been overlooked a bit, and I think is a main player in all of this.
FA would be implicated in the dodgy loans etc no doubt.
This will give us something to sleuth hey?
Yes correct re NBC...
Community Development Educator in Rhodesia. Avid Big Game Hunter and Conservationist. Marriage enhancement facilitator. Financial Planner. Father of three and Grandfather of six
http://web.archive.org/web/20080718224602/http://century21.com.au/westside/agenthome.htm
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 12:34 AM
i do have information and i will share it only Half the fines have been paid. come on i you know who u are thanks again
marlywings
07-18-2012, 12:34 AM
Marly, remember the story that he spent the night frantically texting people and her friends etc, before deciding not to worry, and going to bed, or some such rubbish? I cant remember exactly but I know you can;) It was right back in the beginning?
Yep...it was reported before Allison was found...
April 28, 2012
The Courier-Mail understands a frantic Mr Baden-Clay rang and sent text messages to several people asking if they'd heard from his wife after she failed to return home on Thursday night. Eventually, he went to bed alone
http://www.news.com.au/national/allison-baden-clays-mysterious-disappearance-had-queensland-police-mobilising-a-substantial-force-to-brookfield-within-hours-of-gerard-baden-clays-call/story-e6frfkvr-1226341287303
Opinionsgalore
07-18-2012, 12:34 AM
Have recently caught up with a friend closely connected to where GBC is being held on remand. I asked how he was going and apparently he is coping but a sook.I also asked why NBC is not allowed a contact visit and its because it isnt as easy to observe and monitor a contact visit (eg bugging devices). Visits separated by the glass can be recorded . Word is they are hoping NBC will put his own hand up soon & take some of the heat. Also if its to be believed , there were more calls to NBC than released at the bail hearing . Maybe the prosecution didnt want to show their full hand too early. All just what i've heard &IMOO
Is he still be kept separated from the other inmates ?
This is MOO.
Kimster
07-18-2012, 12:40 AM
Kimster, could we please have a "Corryn Rayney Murder" or "Lloyd Rayney Trial" thread regarding the trial (which started yesterday) of Lloyd Rayney in Perth, Western Australia, for the murder of his wife Corryn?
thanks
:)
MOO
Australia: The murder of Corryn Rayney - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
linette
07-18-2012, 12:41 AM
Thanks UT. I guess there is a limit to what they can do. However I was with my Dad as he died - not a pretty sight. Then when I saw his body before the funeral they had somehow repaired all the damage to his face, washed his hair, dressed him for fishing and put his slippers on.
When we viewed my father the night before his funeral he looked totally different. He had never worn his false teeth, hated them, yet they had put them in, looked like he had mascara on, foundation... looked nothing like him. But until then we had never realised just how much he and his younger brother looked alike. lol {not that his brother wore makeup, haha}, he just had teeth.
Onlyone
07-18-2012, 01:03 AM
Just drove over Mt Crosby road. Looks like they are surveying. Unmarked ute, two men lots of tripods & equipment. On the banks either side of Kholo bridge.
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 01:03 AM
Australia: The murder of Corryn Rayney - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8160442#post8160442)
:rocker:
Thank You Kimster!!
MOO
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 01:04 AM
Hi all - long time reader first time poster. It seems that the family home hasn't been handed over as yet as the BC family are still moving house. I drove past this morning and all action at house and this afternoon not 20 mins ago the settled white 4wd out front with that famous trailer attached.
Kimster
07-18-2012, 01:08 AM
Hi all - long time reader first time poster. It seems that the family home hasn't been handed over as yet as the BC family are still moving house. I drove past this morning and all action at house and this afternoon not 20 mins ago the settled white 4wd out front with that famous trailer attached.
:welcome:
:wagon:
Thanks for the report! Interesting....:waitasec:
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 01:09 AM
Just drove over Mt Crosby road. Looks like they are surveying. Unmarked ute, two men lots of tripods & equipment. On the banks either side of Kholo bridge.
cops or people working for the cops ????
Australia: The murder of Corryn Rayney - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8160442#post8160442)
Thanks!!
marlywings
07-18-2012, 01:12 AM
cops or people working for the cops ????
Just a thought but perhaps could even be from defence team checking it all out if they have hold of the info/evidence etc by now??
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 01:15 AM
Just a thought but perhaps could even be from defence team checking it all out if they have hold of the info/evidence etc by now??
good thought MW
Humdinger
07-18-2012, 01:18 AM
Gosh I've missed so much because I couldn't catch up...
What ever happened about the other lawyers? I know he's only retaining his original counsel, but was any more said about how it all went down?
Also, I'm really curious to know if Olivia has been out and about spruiking her brothers innocence? She seems to have gone to ground since the bail hearing...
marlywings
07-18-2012, 01:19 AM
good thought MW
Could even be from council...maybe they have plans or something for the area.
possumheart
07-18-2012, 01:24 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/horrific-end-hope-turns-to-heartbreak-as-search-for-killer-begins/story-e6frf7l6-1226343136055
"He said Ms Baden-Clay's family were notified around noon that the body had been found, and that her parents, Geoff and Priscilla Dickie, were still coming to terms with the news.
"They've been here ... being ever hopeful that there will be a positive resolution, the same as ourselves," he said. "They're devastated. I can't explain it any other way."
Mrs Baden-Clay's husband, Gerard, was surrounded by family, while friends dropped in throughout the afternoon and evening to share their support at his parents home on Durness St at Kenmore."
BBM
(and drank beer and rang the insurance company?)
Bayside
07-18-2012, 01:29 AM
Hi all - long time reader first time poster. It seems that the family home hasn't been handed over as yet as the BC family are still moving house. I drove past this morning and all action at house and this afternoon not 20 mins ago the settled white 4wd out front with that famous trailer attached.
Thanks for the update and welcome...
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 01:30 AM
I can recall NBC had a wealth management financial planning business in Savoir Faire at Park Road in Milton back in the late 90's. I thought his brother in business as well. It was two BC's. I Remember NBC very well and was a nice enough man but dont shoot me for saying that please.
possumheart
07-18-2012, 01:34 AM
I can recall NBC had a wealth management financial planning business in Savoir Faire at Park Road in Milton back in the late 90's. I thought his brother in business as well. It was two BC's. I Remember NBC very well and was a nice enough man but dont shoot me for saying that please.
From all accounts he has good interpersonal skills, although I have been told in recent times he has become rather verbally excitable in an old man way.
MOO
Bayside
07-18-2012, 01:39 AM
Gosh I've missed so much because I couldn't catch up...
What ever happened about the other lawyers? I know he's only retaining his original counsel, but was any more said about how it all went down?
Also, I'm really curious to know if Olivia has been out and about spruiking her brothers innocence? She seems to have gone to ground since the bail hearing...
I think once the details of the affidavit came out at the bail hearing it was pretty damaging and Olivia might not be going around with such a positive spin on things.
(love your avatar)
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 01:54 AM
I think once the details of the affidavit came out at the bail hearing it was pretty damaging and Olivia might not be going around with such a positive spin on things.
(love your avatar)
she would be po###g her pants. her lovely high flying brother in the s###. i wonder if they make any contact with the girls at all or would it be all about the BCs
ellou
07-18-2012, 01:55 AM
My experience was very similar, and I also found someone who helped us get away from it... and I am glad that you got away, time helps the healing doesn't it?
GBC strikes me as someone who {IMO} may not have been violent all the time, maybe not at all, but could have been very strong on the controlling and emotional abuse. The emotional abuse is the one that wears you down, and there's no bruises or scars to prove at exists.
The fact that he has had affairs etc shows that he had little respect for his wife and daughters. I know, not everyone who has an affair is a bad person, but this guy is a repeat offender. He seems to hold himself in high regard. All about him. Allsion may not have feared for her life that night until it actually happened. She may have been use to the anger and arrogance and threats, but even she may not have thought he would ever take things to that extreme.
I am so saddened that you have been through a similar experience to mine,I do hope you are able to move on .You are right Linette time does heal the wounds.
It's so very true,when you said emotional abuse wears you done,it does chip away at you,carrying the scars on the inside,withering from the inside out.
I also think along the same lines as you,anyone that has affairs whilst in a relationship,don't have any respect for their partners or children,but you know what Linette,they have no self respect for themselves.9 times out of 10,they have very low self esteems,they like to conquer,to empower themselves,because they actually feel so lousy about themselves.
My ex husband reminds me of GBC,people held him high regard,in the music industry,own show on tv,given the order of Australia for his work with children,if only the walls had ears.
He had a autobiography come out and in this one chapter,he stated that any woman that married a man like him ,in the music industry,couldn't be that stupid to think that there would not be on going affairs ,comes with the job,good to be king!That was the beginning of the end.I only confided in a few close friends,yet all his band knew,now the whole world,I feelt so degraded,and what made it even worse my family now knew and our two eldest children ,who read his book.
Things went down hill for him after that,people saw him a different light,lost the respect they once had for him,no more tv show.A walking condradiction.
GBC does appear to hold himself in high regard, all about me ,me, me.
I have a feeling ,he didn't have a very close relationship with his father,and may have always wanted his approval,just my thoughts....Maybe thats why Olivia,joined the forces,sometimes people do that,to have order in their life ,and one set of rules,normality.
Sorry I am waffling,I'm losing my train of thought
Justamum
07-18-2012, 02:03 AM
NBC was listed as Finance Manager for Century 21 Westside, which doesn't say much for his expertise in the field! Lol....
"Finance manager Nigel Baden-Clay and personal assistant to the principal Elaine Baden-Clay provide extraordinary stability and support with their wealth of business experience and wisdom"
http://web.archive.org/web/20080625085636/http://www.century21.com.au/westside/
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 02:05 AM
NBC was listed as Finance Manager for Century 21 Westside, which doesn't say much for his expertise in the field! Lol....
"Finance manager Nigel Baden-Clay and personal assistant to the principal Elaine Baden-Clay provide extraordinary stability and support with their wealth of business experience and wisdom"
http://web.archive.org/web/20080625085636/http://www.century21.com.au/westside/
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
JMO MOO
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 02:07 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 02:08 AM
NBC was listed as Finance Manager for Century 21 Westside, which doesn't say much for his expertise in the field! Lol....
"Finance manager Nigel Baden-Clay and personal assistant to the principal Elaine Baden-Clay provide extraordinary stability and support with their wealth of business experience and wisdom"
http://web.archive.org/web/20080625085636/http://www.century21.com.au/westside/
OMG hope that wasnt the PA he was having it off with . oh a bit naughty:what:
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 02:11 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
and maybe thats the money TM lent him . really his but shows as Tm so they can be comfy in their love nest when he leaves Allison
Onlyone
07-18-2012, 02:13 AM
cops or people working for the cops ????
Looked like surveying equipment that come to your property to do boundaries etc - but no company named on the ute itself or the big silver equipment boxes.
possumheart
07-18-2012, 02:23 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
That is just demonic
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
No wonder he was shredding documents
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
linette
07-18-2012, 02:24 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with this site this arvo? Takes forever to refresh, sometimes goes blank. I can get onto any other site I like, just not this one?
Curiousasacat
07-18-2012, 02:24 AM
Sorry, off topic Re Allison but another example of a domestic situation gone bad.
Interesting read.
A little-
While the trial continues and the life of a young mother is mourned, it is worth noting how violence within relationships seeps into all aspects of daily living. While abuse between partners often only occurs behind closed doors, it is common for work, friendships, family, church, and other parts of a victim's life to be brought in to play to attempt to justify the violence. In a 2.0 world, it was sadly only a matter of time before social network sites and status updates would be pulled in to rationalize horrific acts such as this one.
http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/when-facebook-turns-fatal-507863.html?fb_action_ids=10151120830787994&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3AFh9_508V_dMralcKgnnGfu D503E&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%2210151120830787994%22%3A10150 516429202107}&code=AQA8WGYCtG1IbxJAAFpOZx09XJEBpvDgDy9XJiL_v5A8h FgyiJHDl9K-LckoUQdMhS19wlQsmSQ0RE59tiqypSOXUkgeSNXqIToD9WwOUC Rdp9NEK5cOWfuZPn9wf8VZahSxePyTxAYZt4LFwgLoDV_r06ny lI0qi_J5AlS9K1ZyTos5MofrEaeQ5oQuKjHikLg#_=_
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 02:26 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with this site this arvo? Takes forever to refresh, sometimes goes blank. I can get onto any other site I like, just not this one?
not just you i am having trouble too:banghead:
Bayside
07-18-2012, 02:30 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with this site this arvo? Takes forever to refresh, sometimes goes blank. I can get onto any other site I like, just not this one?
Yeah me too, and Squiz... you are trouble lol.
Aunty
07-18-2012, 02:33 AM
Yes correct re NBC...
Community Development Educator in Rhodesia. Avid Big Game Hunter and Conservationist. Marriage enhancement facilitator. Financial Planner. Father of three and Grandfather of six
http://web.archive.org/web/20080718224602/http://century21.com.au/westside/agenthome.htm
Yes It says NBC is Century 21 financial director
Does this mean he is in fact the FInancial Adviser who contacted the insurance company to make a claim, when a body was found but not confirmed as Allison?
The plot thickens???
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
They are some good new thoughts!!!! Great thinking 99!
Bayside
07-18-2012, 02:35 AM
Yes It says NBC is Century 21 financial director
Does this mean he is in fact the FInancial Adviser who contacted the insurance company to make a claim, when a body was found but not confirmed as Allison?
The plot thickens???
It is very possible unless the BC's have retired.
Curiousasacat
07-18-2012, 02:36 AM
NBC was listed as Finance Manager for Century 21 Westside, which doesn't say much for his expertise in the field! Lol....
"Finance manager Nigel Baden-Clay and personal assistant to the principal Elaine Baden-Clay provide extraordinary stability and support with their wealth of business experience and wisdom"
http://web.archive.org/web/20080625085636/http://www.century21.com.au/westside/
BBM.... LOL he was P.A to a woman! Who wore the pants in that relationship.
Also,interesting to note that Mrs is the Principal??
linette
07-18-2012, 02:36 AM
I am so saddened that you have been through a similar experience to mine,I do hope you are able to move on .You are right Linette time does heal the wounds.
It's so very true,when you said emotional abuse wears you done,it does chip away at you,carrying the scars on the inside,withering from the inside out.
I also think along the same lines as you,anyone that has affairs whilst in a relationship,don't have any respect for their partners or children,but you know what Linette,they have no self respect for themselves.9 times out of 10,they have very low self esteems,they like to conquer,to empower themselves,because they actually feel so lousy about themselves.
My ex husband reminds me of GBC,people held him high regard,in the music industry,own show on tv,given the order of Australia for his work with children,if only the walls had ears.
He had a autobiography come out and in this one chapter,he stated that any woman that married a man like him ,in the music industry,couldn't be that stupid to think that there would not be on going affairs ,comes with the job,good to be king!That was the beginning of the end.I only confided in a few close friends,yet all his band knew,now the whole world,I feelt so degraded,and what made it even worse my family now knew and our two eldest children ,who read his book.
Things went down hill for him after that,people saw him a different light,lost the respect they once had for him,no more tv show.A walking condradiction.
GBC does appear to hold himself in high regard, all about me ,me, me.
I have a feeling ,he didn't have a very close relationship with his father,and may have always wanted his approval,just my thoughts....Maybe thats why Olivia,joined the forces,sometimes people do that,to have order in their life ,and one set of rules,normality.
Sorry I am waffling,I'm losing my train of thought
You're right. As for GBC and his father... he might have thought he had a good relationship, but I just get the feeling it would have been more of a Daddy dominating kind of thing?? JMO...
marlywings
07-18-2012, 02:41 AM
Yes It says NBC is Century 21 financial director
Does this mean he is in fact the FInancial Adviser who contacted the insurance company to make a claim, when a body was found but not confirmed as Allison?
The plot thickens???
Indeed it does...really have to wonder now if this was all truly pre-med & daddy was helping him all the way.
April 12, 2012
Police allege Mr Baden-Clay inquired about one of Mrs Baden-Clay's life insurance policies but was given no information as he was not a policy holder.
April 17, 2012
Police allege the Baden-Clay financial adviser made a "further query" on a life insurance policy held by Mrs Baden-Clay.
April 30, 2012
Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found by a canoeist at Kholo Creek.
Police allege Mr Baden-Clay contacted his financial advisor who made a "further query" with one of the life insurance providers.
May 1, 2012
One of the life insurers was advised "of a pending claim on that policy" by Mr Baden-Clay's financial advisor. Mrs Baden-Clay's body was yet to be formally identified.
Police allege Mr Baden Clay "urgently sought a death certificate for the deceased".
May 21, 2012
A death certificate for Mrs Baden-Clay was issued. Police allege Mr Baden-Clay lodged claims with each of Mrs Baden-Clay's policies and "further asked that these claims be expedited".
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 02:43 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
That is a very interesting though sickening possibility Monster (may I call you that?)
:(
JMO
UnfoldingTruth
07-18-2012, 02:45 AM
OMG hope that wasnt the PA he was having it off with . oh a bit naughty:what:
:yuck: Oh Squizzey...NOOOOOOo!:puke:
Maigret
07-18-2012, 02:45 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
That's a really good point and yes easy to see that they might have
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 02:48 AM
Indeed it does...really have to wonder now if this was all truly pre-med & daddy was helping him all the way.
April 12, 2012
Police allege Mr Baden-Clay inquired about one of Mrs Baden-Clay's life insurance policies but was given no information as he was not a policy holder.
April 17, 2012
Police allege the Baden-Clay financial adviser made a "further query" on a life insurance policy held by Mrs Baden-Clay.
April 30, 2012
Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found by a canoeist at Kholo Creek.
Police allege Mr Baden-Clay contacted his financial advisor who made a "further query" with one of the life insurance providers.
May 1, 2012
One of the life insurers was advised "of a pending claim on that policy" by Mr Baden-Clay's financial advisor. Mrs Baden-Clay's body was yet to be formally identified.
Police allege Mr Baden Clay "urgently sought a death certificate for the deceased".
May 21, 2012
A death certificate for Mrs Baden-Clay was issued. Police allege Mr Baden-Clay lodged claims with each of Mrs Baden-Clay's policies and "further asked that these claims be expedited".
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy
MW, it all hangs together, the hairs on my arms are standing on end lol
great sleuthing
:woohoo:
JMO MOO
UnfoldingTruth
07-18-2012, 02:48 AM
Yes It says NBC is Century 21 financial director
Does this mean he is in fact the FInancial Adviser who contacted the insurance company to make a claim, when a body was found but not confirmed as Allison?
The plot thickens???
Its pretty interesting and the plot does thicken.. who posted EBC was named principle? I thought Gerard was Principle. If EBC was.. me thinks this family maybe in things a whole lot deeper than has been realized.. JMO.. I do think there good be a lot more that was at stake, financially (shady deals and all the rest that has been mentioned).. again JMO.
P.S. How old is this information though?? (the financial advisor and the principle role, as I said I thought Gerard was Principle and wondered if NBC is still in that postiion also.. Is the web info old?) .. edit Oh:doh:..I get it EBC may be P.A. to the principle, not Principle her self..ok..makes more sense.. got to go..
Maigret
07-18-2012, 02:49 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with this site this arvo? Takes forever to refresh, sometimes goes blank. I can get onto any other site I like, just not this one?
Yes me too I had to go start dinner while I waited (my family say thanks)
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 02:49 AM
That is a very interesting though sickening possibility Monster (may I call you that?)
:(
JMO
I know right, very sickening, and I know how it feels to have no money and children, no sleep etc, and for her to be allowed to think as such and no light at the end of the tunnel by him. Too horrendous but makes sense.
Ok to call me monster ;) gee I'm embarrassed only here ten minutes and already a nick name.:woohoo:
marlywings
07-18-2012, 02:50 AM
and maybe thats the money TM lent him . really his but shows as Tm so they can be comfy in their love nest when he leaves Allison
Although he did tell TM he couldn't afford a divorce...
June 23, 2012
"I have given you a commitment and I intend to stick to it. I will be separated by 1 July," he wrote to Ms McHugh under his pseudonym, the police documents claim.
His commitment, the police have alleged, involved sorting out his extremely dire financial situation so he could leave his family and be with her.
He could not afford a divorce, he allegedly told her, but he would work things out so they could be together, the police court papers say.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-conducting-ongoing-affair-at-time-of-wife-allisons-death-was-in-debt-and-had-inquired-about-her-life-insurance-police-affidavits-lodged-in-court-claim/story-e6freoof-1226405967381
squizzey1
07-18-2012, 02:50 AM
BBM.... LOL he was P.A to a woman! Who wore the pants in that relationship.
Also,interesting to note that Mrs is the Principal??
no cc u can read that 2 ways is means pa to the principal is ebc. i can find nowhere where she is or was licenced
Maigret
07-18-2012, 02:52 AM
no cc u can read that 2 ways is means pa to the principal is ebc. i can find nowhere where she is or was licenced
That's how I read it too they could have used some punctuation
Aunty
07-18-2012, 02:52 AM
[QUOTE=marlywings;8160671]Indeed it does...really have to wonder now if this was all truly pre-med & daddy was helping him all the way.
April 12, 2012
Police allege Mr Baden-Clay inquired about one of Mrs Baden-Clay's life insurance policies but was given no information as he was not a policy holder.
April 17, 2012
Police allege the Baden-Clay financial adviser made a "further query" on a life insurance policy held by Mrs Baden-Clay.
April 30, 2012
Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found by a canoeist at Kholo Creek.
Police allege Mr Baden-Clay contacted his financial advisor who made a "further query" with one of the life insurance providers.
May 1, 2012
One of the life insurers was advised "of a pending claim on that policy" by Mr Baden-Clay's financial advisor. Mrs Baden-Clay's body was yet to be formally identified.
Police allege Mr Baden Clay "urgently sought a death certificate for the deceased".
May 21, 2012
A death certificate for Mrs Baden-Clay was issued. Police allege Mr Baden-Clay lodged claims with each of Mrs Baden-Clay's policies and "further asked that these claims be expedited".
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy[
Did the financial adviser own the policy?
As it does seem fact that Only the FA was allowed to enquire about the policy.
It does not say anywhere that Allison enquired about it.
I wonder if she knew about it?
Did the FA pay the premiums?
UnfoldingTruth
07-18-2012, 02:53 AM
I know right, very sickening, and I know how it feels to have no money and children, no sleep etc, and for her to be allowed to think as such and no light at the end of the tunnel by him. Too horrendous but makes sense.
Ok to call me monster ;) gee I'm embarrassed only here ten minutes and already a nick name.:woohoo:
You should feel priviliged to get one so quick. lol...
Its interesting though you brought up in your post. :)
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 02:54 AM
Although he did tell TM he couldn't afford a divorce...
June 23, 2012
"I have given you a commitment and I intend to stick to it. I will be separated by 1 July," he wrote to Ms McHugh under his pseudonym, the police documents claim.
His commitment, the police have alleged, involved sorting out his extremely dire financial situation so he could leave his family and be with her.
He could not afford a divorce, he allegedly told her, but he would work things out so they could be together, the police court papers say.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-conducting-ongoing-affair-at-time-of-wife-allisons-death-was-in-debt-and-had-inquired-about-her-life-insurance-police-affidavits-lodged-in-court-claim/story-e6freoof-1226405967381
True MW, but are the two (these comments and Monster's hypothetical) necessarily mutually exclusive?
just thinking aloud here
:twocents:
JMO moo
Gemini Girl
07-18-2012, 02:59 AM
I know right, very sickening, and I know how it feels to have no money and children, no sleep etc, and for her to be allowed to think as such and no light at the end of the tunnel by him. Too horrendous but makes sense.
Ok to call me monster ;) gee I'm embarrassed only here ten minutes and already a nick name.:woohoo:
Consider it my way of saying :welcome:
A few of us here have had the kids and no money situation, you will fit right in!
JMO MOO
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 03:03 AM
Consider it my way of saying :welcome:
A few of us here have had the kids and no money situation, you will fit right in!
JMO MOO
Thanks and I really do feel honoured your a great bunch.
ozazure
07-18-2012, 03:06 AM
I have given you a commitment and I intend to stick to it.
Every time I read that I love how it belies the fact that he can make a commitment with an intention other than upholding it. A commitment is your intention, with GBC is it sometimes a manipulation, a chess move, a trick? So much so he has to specify when it is his actual intention?
And ultimately he did not keep this commitment or intention to TM either.
Justamum
07-18-2012, 03:07 AM
no cc u can read that 2 ways is means pa to the principal is ebc. i can find nowhere where she is or was licenced
That's right squizzey, it is saying that NBC is manager of finance and EBC is personal assistant to the director (GBC)
marlywings
07-18-2012, 03:10 AM
Did the financial adviser own the policy?
As it does seem fact that Only the FA was allowed to enquire about the policy.
It does not say anywhere that Allison enquired about it.
I wonder if she knew about it?
Did the FA pay the premiums?
I would think only Allison or the financial advisor could enquire about it if it were in her name.
Seems there were two...
June 24, 2012
And Allison Baden-Clay's two life insurance policies and superannuation fund would have provided a potential windfall of $967,000.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/early-hours-call-to-father-alleged/story-fn7x8me2-1226406384696
BreakingNews
07-18-2012, 03:13 AM
I have given you a commitment and I intend to stick to it.
Every time I read that I love how it belies the fact that he can make a commitment with an intention other than upholding it. A commitment is your intention, with GBC is it sometimes a manipulation, a chess move, a trick? So much so he has to specify when it is his actual intention?
And ultimately he did not keep this commitment or intention to TM either.
If I gave you a commitment I wouldn't feel the need to add that I intended to stick to it. Unless of course if previous 'commitments' weren't kept. :moo:
Curiousasacat
07-18-2012, 03:33 AM
no cc u can read that 2 ways is means pa to the principal is ebc. i can find nowhere where she is or was licenced
Thanks for clarifying Squiz.
I think I must have read it really quickly.
Sorry for the confusion guys esp Urinary : )
linette
07-18-2012, 03:36 AM
MW, it all hangs together, the hairs on my arms are standing on end lol
great sleuthing
:woohoo:
JMO MOO
Sorry, I might have missed something... are we thinking that perhaps NBC is/was GBC's financial advisor? I wouldn't have thought he'd keep in the family... but hey, this is them!! So who knows!
Justamum
07-18-2012, 03:51 AM
According to this report, Allison had three life insurance polices
"Police investigations revealed Mrs Baden-Clay's three life insurance policies totalled $960,000 and Mr Baden-Clay had made a claim on all three policies."
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/badenclay-was-in-dire-financial-position-police-allege-20120626-2102n.html
marlywings
07-18-2012, 03:51 AM
That will be those fake passports and all the packed suitcases:)
Yes I think their plan was to do a runner if GBC had received bail at the first "aborted" bail hearing & I think police knew it or had "heard" about it.
The afternoon of that bail hearing - BC's left home ahead of bail hearing, "dressed up" - alisonsandy@couriermail
But they weren't sighted at court...so where were they??....waiting to pick up GBC from Arthur Gorrie & take off in my opinion.
That evening the parents house was searched by five detectives...I think looking for the fake passports.
Next day's bail hearing...bail refused, Justice Boddice - “The applicant is facing the real risk of mandatory life imprisonment, flight is a real possibility, a real possibility,” he said
Makara
07-18-2012, 03:52 AM
I was under the impression that GBC's financial advisor was a female. I recall a message posted here on WS (prior to his arrest) saying that his (female) financial advisor had been questioned by police, her house searched and her computer and phone confiscated. Unfortunately it seems that post has now disappeared.
I'm also certain that I read in MSM a reference to the female financial advisor and have searched for a link but without success I'm afraid. :waitasec: Without a link I suppose the female financial advisor will probably have to go into the rumour basket. Interestingly one of only two of GBC's Twitter friends is a female financial advisor.
MOO.
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 03:53 AM
I think there's a massive amount of info & we've only heard a dot of it to date...check the video in this report, the size of the affidavit from the hearing...it is huge, pages & pages of it!!!..
@.11 & also @ 1.00
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html
Thanks MW. That's another thing thats been eating me. Where are the baby seats. That image clearly shows the crease left in the seat belt from a baby seat -so where are they and why were they removed and have they been tested forensically as the may have been removed while perp still had murder clothes etc on and transferred torn out hair, blood, body fluid etc.
Curiousasacat
07-18-2012, 03:53 AM
"About 8.30pm Mr Baden-Clay's phone was removed from the charger."
Big MOO here.
GBC leaves home at 830 and is kept busy outside of the house until the phone is returned to the charger at 1.48am.
Just over 5 hours.
During this time at about 12.30am: GBC made a Face Time call which lasted 1.23 minutes.
"1.48am: police allege Mr Baden-Clay's phone was returned to the charger."
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz20xTeU9uD
Aunty
07-18-2012, 03:55 AM
[quote=Kimster;8160356]Three reminders for the day:
Stay on topic. This thread is about Allison's murder. I've moved some off topic but important posts to threads about that topic here: Domestic Violence - Our Stories and Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
ELLOU,
I Just wanted you to know that our conversation was moved here by our lovely very sweet Kimster. Talk more there if you like.
Love Aunty xx
Thinking
07-18-2012, 04:01 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
A very interesting theory - welcome! The irony is that the forensic accountant which he may have been hoping to avoid - as they would most certainly have needed one if they divorced - is sifting through the books (full sympathy to whoever it is) as we speak.
He just didn't think anything through did he?!
Rational
07-18-2012, 04:03 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
That is very possible! I would not be surprised.
Rational
07-18-2012, 04:07 AM
It is very possible unless the BC's have retired.
I think from memory he was financial director but a woman was the financial advisor. Sorry no time now will try and find link later.
Yes I think their plan was to do a runner if GBC had received bail at the first "aborted" bail hearing & I think police knew it or had "heard" about it.
The afternoon of that bail hearing - BC's left home ahead of bail hearing, "dressed up" - alisonsandy@couriermail
But they weren't sighted at court...so where were they??....waiting to pick up GBC from Arthur Gorrie & take off in my opinion.
That evening the parents house was searched by five detectives...I think looking for the fake passports.
Next day's bail hearing...bail refused, Justice Boddice - “The applicant is facing the real risk of mandatory life imprisonment, flight is a real possibility, a real possibility,” he said
Wow :what:
Thinking
07-18-2012, 04:10 AM
Hi all - long time reader first time poster. It seems that the family home hasn't been handed over as yet as the BC family are still moving house. I drove past this morning and all action at house and this afternoon not 20 mins ago the settled white 4wd out front with that famous trailer attached.
Monster this is very interesting info given a poster reported that police vehicles were at the house the other night. Sorry I can't find the post but it was in last few days I'm sure?
Rational
07-18-2012, 04:10 AM
Its pretty interesting and the plot does thicken.. who posted EBC was named principle? I thought Gerard was Principle. If EBC was.. me thinks this family maybe in things a whole lot deeper than has been realized.. JMO.. I do think there good be a lot more that was at stake, financially (shady deals and all the rest that has been mentioned).. again JMO.
P.S. How old is this information though?? (the financial advisor and the principle role, as I said I thought Gerard was Principle and wondered if NBC is still in that postiion also.. Is the web info old?) .. edit Oh:doh:..I get it EBC may be P.A. to the principle, not Principle her self..ok..makes more sense.. got to go..
No I think EBC was principal and probably one of the reasons why is that GBC had a bankruptcy record with the ATO in 2003 so legally he could have held a princioal's license. So mummy probably covered his @rse.
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 04:12 AM
A very interesting theory - welcome! The irony is that the forensic accountant which he may have been hoping to avoid - as they would most certainly have needed one if they divorced - is sifting through the books (full sympathy to whoever it is) as we speak.
He just didn't think anything through did he?!
I think he thought a fair bit through but something like this would be like nailing jelly to a wall. Too many witnesses, well known local faces, etc etc. no amount of shredding won't hide evidence if there ie maybe breaking REIQ trust account rules by clearing trust monies before properties settle etc. all contracts submitted to Qld state for duties to be paid so it would be easy enough to see how many had TM as the agent sig or GBC and further damming if TM agent and GBC witness buyer/seller signature but again circumstantial. I would think that the agency being closed down would be subject to REIQ audit etc as well in addition to police. So many potentials.
Thinking
07-18-2012, 04:14 AM
BBM.... LOL he was P.A to a woman! Who wore the pants in that relationship.
Also,interesting to note that Mrs is the Principal??
Great find curious! We were discussing the other day whether GBC may have been bankrupt in the past and if so, possibly one of the parents were the principal of the re agency as he couldn't be (depending on time frames) - wow after a quietish night and morning, you guys are on fire now!:rocker:
Edit: oh dear I just saw UTs post and yes I think it is actually that EBC is pa to the principal
- oh well, it was exciting for a second hey!
Makara
07-18-2012, 04:16 AM
I think from memory he was financial director but a woman was the financial advisor. Sorry no time now will try and find link later.
Good luck Rational, I hope you do find a link. :pullhair:
Rational
07-18-2012, 04:16 AM
I was under the impression that GBC's financial advisor was a female. I recall a message posted here on WS (prior to his arrest) saying that his (female) financial advisor had been questioned by police, her house shed and her computer and phone confiscated. Unfortunately it seems that post has now disappeared.
I'm also certain that I read in MSM a reference to the female financial advisor and have searched for a link but without success I'm afraid. :waitasec: Without a link I suppose the female financial advisor will probably have to go into the rumour basket. Interestingly one of only two of GBC's Twitter friends is a female financial advisor.
MOO.
Thanks Makara I am if the same view. What is wrong with this site today? It posted in the middle of a comment!
pickle99
07-18-2012, 04:17 AM
A few more things for you sleuthians to mull over. I doubt ABC was in the dark as to the goings on of her husbands alleged affairs and think that just thet was not the straw that broke the camels back that night.
I want to put forward that GBC allowed TM to get the commissions on the majority of the deals they worked on as a team and he himself only let x amount of sales be his and intentionally built up debt in the joint names of Abc and GBC.
This can be easily done between two consenting agents. They may have built up their funds for post ABC and the money currently is with TM or a trust of hers.
For Alison to find out that she'd been struggling to manage house and give those girls an opportunity when hubby off hiding settlement monies - well that would just be a sickening thought. He holding back money would be enough to rile the temper of any woman and enough to prompt a tear everything apart divorce.
Just my thoughts.
Thats interesting. Made me immediately think of the newspaper article where it is described about Allison finding out about the affair and how the rest of the office felt TM was getting favourable treatment.
I cant for the life of me find that article now - but have read it so many times!!
There was rumor way back posted about a female (blonde) financial advisor and I think the post may have indicated that he could be having an affair with her! Hazy memory.
IMO of course
Bayside
07-18-2012, 04:21 AM
I was under the impression that GBC's financial advisor was a female. I recall a message posted here on WS (prior to his arrest) saying that his (female) financial advisor had been questioned by police, her house searched and her computer and phone confiscated. Unfortunately it seems that post has now disappeared.
I'm also certain that I read in MSM a reference to the female financial advisor and have searched for a link but without success I'm afraid. :waitasec: Without a link I suppose the female financial advisor will probably have to go into the rumour basket. Interestingly one of only two of GBC's Twitter friends is a female financial advisor.
MOO.
I recall reading the same as you did around the same time that TM was being interviewed as I thought at the time they were the same but obviously arent.
bearbear
07-18-2012, 04:22 AM
From all accounts he has good interpersonal skills, although I have been told in recent times he has become rather verbally excitable in an old man way.
MOO
haha!so funny! sorry i dont know how to add emoticons!?
DrWatson
07-18-2012, 04:29 AM
Just before getting too carried away with the idea that GBC had a previous bankruptcy - didn't the person who was sleuthing that eventually find out it wasn't him, but somebody else without the hyphenated name?
Just Gerard Clay?
Or has it been proved that GBC did in fact declare bankruptcy previously?
Makara
07-18-2012, 04:34 AM
I recall reading the same as you did around the same time that TM was being interviewed as I thought at the time they were the same but obviously arent.
Thanks Bayside. Initially a WS member posted that TM had spilled everything to QPS, had rolled or words to that effect. Nothing more was mentioned about this by QPS or MSM for quite a while. From memory it was not long after this post that the female financial advisor was mentioned here, albeit not by the same poster from memory. Then came Paul Tully's immunity reference. Very soon after that GBC was arrested and we then learned that TM had apparently told QPS all they wanted to know and then some.
What I'm getting at is the post about TM spilling to QPS, although only a rumour at the time, did prove to be correct.
From memory it may have been one of the mods who deleted the post about the female financial advisor, saying if it was a rumour it couldn't be posted. :waitasec:
MOO.
regret
07-18-2012, 04:35 AM
http://smartbook.century21.com.au/pav/12891#/page217030
Century 21 2012 award winners...you can scroll through. He's there.
Most likely old news for you guys.
Striving becomes a beast within.
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 04:39 AM
Thats interesting. Made me immediately think of the newspaper article where it is described about Allison finding out about the affair and how the rest of the office felt TM was getting favourable treatment.
I cant for the life of me find that article now - but have read it so many times!!
There was rumor way back posted about a female (blonde) financial advisor and I think the post may have indicated that he could be having an affair with her! Hazy memory.
IMO of course
It happens often in real estates or brokerage type business with sales people where other agents will leave if leads not shared equally. It would be interesting to note if there was high turnover in agents in that office - a sure sign of inequality with quality leads whether sellers or buyers no difference.
bearbear
07-18-2012, 04:41 AM
I think there's a massive amount of info & we've only heard a dot of it to date...check the video in this report, the size of the affidavit from the hearing...it is huge, pages & pages of it!!!..
@.11 & also @ 1.00
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html
why arent msm releasing any of it then?
Curiousasacat
07-18-2012, 04:41 AM
http://smartbook.century21.com.au/pav/12891#/page217030
Century 21 2012 award winners...you can scroll through. He's there.
Most likely old news for you guys.
Striving becomes a beast within.
Hadn't seen this thanks.
Interesting-
"CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP OFFICE AWARD:
CENTURY 21 Westside , Taringa "
CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP INDIVIDUAL REFERRER AWARD:
Gerard Baden-Clay - CENTURY 21 Westside
Taringa
CENTURY 21 HOME LOANS TOP PRINCIPAL / SALESPERSON AWARD
Gerard Baden-Clay, CENTURY 21 Westside, Taringa
Where did the money go????
BBM
Makara
07-18-2012, 04:48 AM
Just before getting too carried away with the idea that GBC had a previous bankruptcy - didn't the person who was sleuthing that eventually find out it wasn't him, but somebody else without the hyphenated name?
Just Gerard Clay?
Or has it been proved that GBC did in fact declare bankruptcy previously?
Here you go DW.
07-10-2012, 06:57 PM
BJsleuth
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 486
I have checked further into the Bankrupt Gerard Clay I found and I don't think it's him. It was Gerard Michael Clay and it was a Professional and Residential cleaning contract service.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #32
pickle99
07-18-2012, 04:48 AM
It happens often in real estates or brokerage type business with sales people where other agents will leave if leads not shared equally. It would be interesting to note if there was high turnover in agents in that office - a sure sign of inequality with quality leads whether sellers or buyers no difference.
The only problem would be....she left in October last year so if that was happening then it would have stopped then, so money coming back to him now. Therefore he must have planned on leaving Allison for a long time for this to be true..., just MOO.
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 04:52 AM
Hadn't seen this thanks.
Interesting-
"CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP OFFICE AWARD:
CENTURY 21 Westside , Taringa "
CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP INDIVIDUAL REFERRER AWARD:
Gerard Baden-Clay - CENTURY 21 Westside
Taringa
CENTURY 21 HOME LOANS TOP PRINCIPAL / SALESPERSON AWARD
Gerard Baden-Clay, CENTURY 21 Westside, Taringa
Where did the money go????
BBM
Yes, where did all the money go. If he won awards for loan referrals then was there equal amount of sales to go with. These referrals will also be those that have trailing commissions I think as paid by the banks/lenders. It is interesting to note that century 21 have rewards on selling loans - I thought they had to be arms length as to financial advice, lending advice and legal advice? Are any sleuthed experts here that can help?
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 04:56 AM
The only problem would be....she left in October last year so if that was happening then it would have stopped then, so money coming back to him now. Therefore he must have planned on leaving Allison for a long time for this to be true..., just MOO.
Ah a bit of a holiday because most settlements are 30+ days hence leave oct getting commissions from sept still, etc then Xmas and they were back on and maybe sharing deals across agencies - not unheard of as well. Introducer shared deals.
These grazes on his stomach bring to mind an image of him, rolling Alliosn over the edge of the bridge, then him climbing the railing, and lowering himself over the edge, close to where the bridge starts.
When I thought about him sliding down the embankment, you would expect the grazes to be on his elbows (and I still believe I can see marks on both his left and his right elbows in the photos of him when he is first allowed back to the house, blue striped shirt)
But if he lowered himself over the edge he could easily graze his stomach when he slid down that concrete wall. Ill find a photo, bear with me :D
To back up the agrument that he left her at Wirra Burra Road, he could just as easily have grazed both the backs of his elbows and his stomach wriggling through that box culvert. (there is a thought Mani!!)
I know what Im suggesting isnt the nicest of thoughts, but its a big possibility in my eyes.
Min, none of this comes under the nice category so don't worry - I would like to see that box culvert when there is no water going through it to see how much room is under there. MOO
Opinionsgalore
07-18-2012, 05:09 AM
It happens often in real estates or brokerage type business with sales people where other agents will leave if leads not shared equally. It would be interesting to note if there was high turnover in agents in that office - a sure sign of inequality with quality leads whether sellers or buyers no difference.
Monster, just wanted to say 'hi' and loving your posts :D
This is MOO.
Makara
07-18-2012, 05:11 AM
why arent msm releasing any of it then?
bearbear, it's possible that only certain parts of the Affidavit were purchased by MSM. IMO, it can best be explained in the following post by Yoshi, on the AussieCriminals forum.
http://aussiecriminals.com.au/the-lounge/comment-page-14/
Note the date and time stamp of Yoshi's quote below to locate his post.
Yoshi on July 8, 2012 at 10:32 am said:
http://aussiecriminals.com.au/the-lounge/comment-page-14/
BreakingNews
07-18-2012, 05:22 AM
http://smartbook.century21.com.au/pav/12891#/page217030
Century 21 2012 award winners...you can scroll through. He's there.
Most likely old news for you guys.
Striving becomes a beast within.
Sorry if I am behind, but GBC won the award for:
CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP INDIVIDUAL REFERRER AWARD: Gerard Baden-Clay - CENTURY 21 Westside Taringa
Is this for real???? Winning an award for referring people to get a home loan!!! I want to scream! That's how people go broke - pushed into a loan they can't afford. Sorry, that's not true of everyone. But I can't help thinking... :banghead:
BreakingNews
07-18-2012, 05:24 AM
Hadn't seen this thanks.
Interesting-
"CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP OFFICE AWARD:
CENTURY 21 Westside , Taringa "
CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP INDIVIDUAL REFERRER AWARD:
Gerard Baden-Clay - CENTURY 21 Westside
Taringa
CENTURY 21 HOME LOANS TOP PRINCIPAL / SALESPERSON AWARD
Gerard Baden-Clay, CENTURY 21 Westside, Taringa
Where did the money go????
BBM
All home loan related.
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 05:43 AM
All home loan related.
Yep it would appear he wasn't a real estate agent he was a loan broker. I would think that our half an hours sleuthing tonight will blow century 21 practices out of the water. Two agents acting tag team one doing the deal on the sale and the other reccomending /referring to lending agencies is not arms length. I'm going to have a chook at the laws to see but I'm pretty sure the new financial services laws ASIC brought out a few years ago required arms length dealings where the three worlds meet. I'll be back and sorry to hog but I've been holding back for soooo long.
Rational
07-18-2012, 05:48 AM
Here you go DW.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #32 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8132857&postcount=679)
But there was a bankruptcy listing with the ATO which was posted a few pages after this! Aarrrgggh too mny things to search for!
regret
07-18-2012, 05:50 AM
Hadn't seen this thanks.
Interesting-
"CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP OFFICE AWARD:
CENTURY 21 Westside , Taringa "
CENTURY 21 HOME LOAN AWARDS 2011 - TOP INDIVIDUAL REFERRER AWARD:
Gerard Baden-Clay - CENTURY 21 Westside
Taringa
CENTURY 21 HOME LOANS TOP PRINCIPAL / SALESPERSON AWARD
Gerard Baden-Clay, CENTURY 21 Westside, Taringa
Where did the money go????
BBM
Into the floods...he may have been cash-flow dependent, and precariously so. The floods halted everything...I mean EVERYTHING, for awhile...and the recovery has been so long. It's not in the news any more but the ramifications by this stage, are held inside the walls of many homes....families. It wouldn't surprise me if the 'in-house' loan (21) was in light if these circumstances. Many people went to the wall as a result of the floods....but they weren't psychologically invested to the point of delusion with murderous consequences. Just in my honest opinion. I wish healing for each and everyone...especially GBC. Truly, may we all rest in peace, alive (in an earthly sense) or dead. Those dear little girls...
Rational
07-18-2012, 05:50 AM
Yep it would appear he wasn't a real estate agent he was a loan broker. I would think that our half an hours sleuthing tonight will blow century 21 practices out of the water. Two agents acting tag team one doing the deal on the sale and the other reccomending /referring to lending agencies is not arms length. I'm going to have a chook at the laws to see but I'm pretty sure the new financial services laws ASIC brought out a few years ago required arms length dealings where the three worlds meet. I'll be back and sorry to hog but I've been holding back for soooo long.
Thank you monster a very warm welcome, you have breathed some life back into this. If not for you we would have probably descended back into anarchy tonight!
marlywings
07-18-2012, 05:56 AM
Thanks Bayside. Initially a WS member posted that TM had spilled everything to QPS, had rolled or words to that effect. Nothing more was mentioned about this by QPS or MSM for quite a while. From memory it was not long after this post that the female financial advisor was mentioned here, albeit not by the same poster from memory. Then came Paul Tully's immunity reference. Very soon after that GBC was arrested and we then learned that TM had apparently told QPS all they wanted to know and then some.
What I'm getting at is the post about TM spilling to QPS, although only a rumour at the time, did prove to be correct.
From memory it may have been one of the mods who deleted the post about the female financial advisor, saying if it was a rumour it couldn't be posted. :waitasec:
MOO.
I for one am sketchy about this post...lol..
#902 05-20-2012, 11:44 AM
Schmickthespy
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 126
Does anyone know know anything about other possible lovers of GBC?
Also... GBC financial advisor was interviewed for 4 hours the other day and also had her computer seized and a search warrant on her house. Does this mean the focus was indeed on finances????? Seems full on
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172680&page=37
Liadan
07-18-2012, 05:57 AM
I am unclear... so just to reinforce things
GBC was not/never declared bankrupt?- it was a Michael Clay
Is that right?
Also - I wanted to buy those affidavit docos but after seeing how long they are I doubt I can afford to spend a cool $500+ just to satisfy my curiosity. Can't see how MSM are not keen to outlay $$ on something that they could draw quite a big audience.
DunnoZo
07-18-2012, 06:02 AM
I was under the impression that GBC's financial advisor was a female. I recall a message posted here on WS (prior to his arrest) saying that his (female) financial advisor had been questioned by police, her house searched and her computer and phone confiscated. Unfortunately it seems that post has now disappeared.
I'm also certain that I read in MSM a reference to the female financial advisor and have searched for a link but without success I'm afraid. :waitasec: Without a link I suppose the female financial advisor will probably have to go into the rumour basket. Interestingly one of only two of GBC's Twitter friends is a female financial advisor.
MOO.
Thank you, this has been driving me nuts too. I thought I remembered hearing or seeing something about this in a video, where a Baden Clay "close friend" was walking up the road near NBC Home very very early on, and wouldn't talk to reporters. She was either wearing a bank uniform or the reporter said something about her being connected with a bank. I have searched high & low, but can't find the video. If someone could lead me to it, I will happily attempt to do so myself.
I hope I can discuss this? , otherwise, please let me know, Thanks
moo
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 06:03 AM
Thank you monster a very warm welcome, you have breathed some life back into this. If not for you we would have probably descended back into anarchy tonight!
Love you guys and thank you for the warm welcome. I'm honoured. I'm sleuthing the motor dealers and real estate agents act and competition and trade practices. No toddler tonight, glass of wine and perhaps a hot bath as raining again. That also leads me to Alison's comment to hairdresser 'night off'. I know i'd have a bath so as not to steam my new do. Gives weight to drowning in bath while girls at BC house for dinner night. Chipped tooth from impact on bath porcelain maybe.
Liadan
07-18-2012, 06:04 AM
So it seems they were a team - TM did the sales and GBC organised the loans. Interesting, I wonder if this was to hide the money trail. Keep the business in a sate that could leverage a tax minimisation purpose perhaps. I am a doofus on company tax so I have NO answers there. But I do wonder if there was a few sales that didn't hit the books? Did TM win any awards since she received the lions share of the listings?
J-Diggety
07-18-2012, 06:04 AM
Yep it would appear he wasn't a real estate agent he was a loan broker. I would think that our half an hours sleuthing tonight will blow century 21 practices out of the water. Two agents acting tag team one doing the deal on the sale and the other reccomending /referring to lending agencies is not arms length. I'm going to have a chook at the laws to see but I'm pretty sure the new financial services laws ASIC brought out a few years ago required arms length dealings where the three worlds meet. I'll be back and sorry to hog but I've been holding back for soooo long.
If GBC accepted commission from both parties, then there would be an issue.
Someone with profile such as his in the real estate industry back then, probably would have been outed if this was the case.
BreakingNews
07-18-2012, 06:06 AM
Yep it would appear he wasn't a real estate agent he was a loan broker. I would think that our half an hours sleuthing tonight will blow century 21 practices out of the water. Two agents acting tag team one doing the deal on the sale and the other reccomending /referring to lending agencies is not arms length. I'm going to have a chook at the laws to see but I'm pretty sure the new financial services laws ASIC brought out a few years ago required arms length dealings where the three worlds meet. I'll be back and sorry to hog but I've been holding back for soooo long.
Yes Monsterforum, where have you been all this time. You have sooo much to offer this site.
Interestingly yesterday I went looking for a new (used) car and when I said NO I wouldn't be looking at finance, I was basically brushed aside. Maybe loan broker is where the money is. :banghead:
BreakingNews
07-18-2012, 06:10 AM
Thank you, this has been driving me nuts too. I thought I remembered hearing or seeing something about this in a video, where a Baden Clay "close friend" was walking up the road near NBC Home very very early on, and wouldn't talk to reporters. She was either wearing a bank uniform or the reporter said something about her being connected with a bank. I have searched high & low, but can't find the video. If someone could lead me to it, I will happily attempt to do so myself.
I hope I can discuss this? , otherwise, please let me know, Thanks
I vaguely remember this. I've looked also for a link, but no luck yet.
Isn't it amazing that when we don't have new info we look/think back and come up with something new to discuss.
Firesnake
07-18-2012, 06:10 AM
Love you guys and thank you for the warm welcome. I'm honoured. I'm sleuthing the motor dealers and real estate agents act and competition and trade practices. No toddler tonight, glass of wine and perhaps a hot bath as raining again. That also leads me to Alison's comment to hairdresser 'night off'. I know i'd have a bath so as not to steam my new do. Gives weight to drowning in bath while girls at BC house for dinner night. Chipped tooth from impact on bath porcelain maybe.
I have been under the assumption the girls were at home the night Allison was murdered...
And he and the couple's three children were alone in the house with Allison on the night of her death, a fact which was particularly relevant, Mr Boyle said.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html
All IMO. MOO
BBM.... LOL he was P.A to a woman! Who wore the pants in that relationship.
Also,interesting to note that Mrs is the Principal??
No, read the quote again, with a comma after the word principal. GBC was the principle and EBC was the personal assistant to the principal. Hope this clarifies.
Makara
07-18-2012, 06:15 AM
Thank you monster a very warm welcome, you have breathed some life back into this. If not for you we would have probably descended back into anarchy tonight!
Yes, I agree. Welcome monster. :welcome5: Your posts are getting the old grey matter working, always a good thing for me. Otherwise I tend to wander off and create silly animations. :blushing:
Liadan
07-18-2012, 06:15 AM
There are a few pics of this lady with the Suncorp Uniform on but I haven't seen a video.Check out Bris077
http://multimedia.aapnewswire.com.au/Search.aspx?search=baden-clay
J-Diggety
07-18-2012, 06:16 AM
Older post from #23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makara
GBC also still has his Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/#!/settlewestside
He has 40 something followers but is only following two people. A female financial advisor and ABC Radio Brisbane, which gives a talkback telephone number. Perhaps GBC should give them a call and tell them what he knows.
Bayside
07-18-2012, 06:16 AM
Thank you, this has been driving me nuts too. I thought I remembered hearing or seeing something about this in a video, where a Baden Clay "close friend" was walking up the road near NBC Home very very early on, and wouldn't talk to reporters. She was either wearing a bank uniform or the reporter said something about her being connected with a bank. I have searched high & low, but can't find the video. If someone could lead me to it, I will happily attempt to do so myself.
I hope I can discuss this? , otherwise, please let me know, Thanks
moo
Missing Mother - YouTube
At 1.04
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 06:22 AM
I have been under the assumption the girls were at home the night Allison was murdered...
And he and the couple's three children were alone in the house with Allison on the night of her death, a fact which was particularly relevant, Mr Boyle said.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/taking-the-fifth-the-case-against-alleged-wifekiller-gerard-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html
All IMO. MOO
For all of the night? Well maybe hairdresser while girls and dad dinner at BC. She said night off for a reason. I've also heard on forum somewhere a DVO callout after 10 pm hence police can timeline 11:30 roundabout, ie how long from when police left to get to roundabout from BC house to isolate time as to things happening on roundabout. If there was a callout they know when she was last seen by other than BC. Coincides with screams at 10:30 after police leave. Oh I dont know. :banghead:
Makara
07-18-2012, 06:22 AM
I for one am sketchy about this post...lol..
#902 05-20-2012, 11:44 AM
Schmickthespy
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 126
Does anyone know know anything about other possible lovers of GBC?
Also... GBC financial advisor was interviewed for 4 hours the other day and also had her computer seized and a search warrant on her house. Does this mean the focus was indeed on finances????? Seems full on
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172680&page=37
Thanks so much Marly. Wow, you're good. May I ask what keywords you used to find this one? :what:
DunnoZo
07-18-2012, 06:25 AM
Thank you, that's what I was thinking of. I believe there was a video too.
moo
Makara
07-18-2012, 06:33 AM
I am unclear... so just to reinforce things
GBC was not/never declared bankrupt?- it was a Michael Clay
Is that right?
Also - I wanted to buy those affidavit docos but after seeing how long they are I doubt I can afford to spend a cool $500+ just to satisfy my curiosity. Can't see how MSM are not keen to outlay $$ on something that they could draw quite a big audience.
Liadan, do you have a link pointing to where the affidavit docs can be purchased please?
http://smartbook.century21.com.au/pav/12891#/page217030
Century 21 2012 award winners...you can scroll through. He's there.
Most likely old news for you guys.
Striving becomes a beast within.
Thanks regret, Scrolling through this smartbook, look at page 22, lower photo. I am sure that has to be TM next to Allison, with 'our boy' also in the photo, together with the last remaining female agent, before C21 closure. Good find. Note the height of the woman in black, who I think is TM. She is indeed tall.
marlywings
07-18-2012, 06:42 AM
Thanks so much Marly. Wow, you're good. May I ask what keywords you used to find this one? :what:
Thanks Makara...I originally used "financial advisor searched" which took me to a post made by CaseClosed in which it mentioned "Someone mentioned yesterday another of his mistresses/financial advisor"....so I went to the thread prior to CC's post. Process of elimination from there as I know most of the members who wouldn't have mentioned it. Is an interesting post by CC especially if keep in mind that other post re "stalking Allison".
#142 05-21-2012, 01:13 PM
CaseClosed
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,131
I agree with you totally!!
I am now having some second thoughts about TM's involvement. What if she knows nothing of the murder and the second suspect is actually another of his mistresses? Someone mentioned yesterday (stating it was a fact, but no link to anything printed in MSM) that the husband's "financial adviser" had been interviewed, her computer confiscated and her home searched. What if this "financial adviser" is also a mistress??? Just speculating here with all of the above.
summer_breeze
07-18-2012, 06:45 AM
Everyone:
There will be no (none, zero, zilch) discussion or comments or speculation or opinions about whether or not police/law enforcement were involved in the court house bomb scare permitted.
Further discussion or comments will earn you an immediate time out.
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 06:50 AM
Century 21 white label loan info - looks like there was known disclosure process
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YoureNicked
07-18-2012, 06:54 AM
I think once the details of the affidavit came out at the bail hearing it was pretty damaging and Olivia might not be going around with such a positive spin on things.
(love your avatar)
I hope this is the case, Bayside. Olivia looked rather shell-shocked from the photo I saw of her after the bail hearing and I am hoping her relative public quietness ever since is because her eyes and mind have been opened to the strong possibility of her brother's guilt.
Olivia before the bail hearing.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/06/15/1226397/145720-olivia-walton.jpg
Olivia After the bail hearing.
http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2012/06/22/3396680/art-mediascrum2-420x0.jpg
Makara
07-18-2012, 06:55 AM
Thanks Makara...I originally used "financial advisor searched" which took me to a post made by CaseClosed in which it mentioned "Someone mentioned yesterday another of his mistresses/financial advisor"....so I went to the thread prior to CC's post. Process of elimination from there as I know most of the members who wouldn't have mentioned it. Is an interesting post by CC especially if keep in mind that other post re "stalking Allison".
#142 05-21-2012, 01:13 PM
CaseClosed
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,131
I agree with you totally!!
I am now having some second thoughts about TM's involvement. What if she knows nothing of the murder and the second suspect is actually another of his mistresses? Someone mentioned yesterday (stating it was a fact, but no link to anything printed in MSM) that the husband's "financial adviser" had been interviewed, her computer confiscated and her home searched. What if this "financial adviser" is also a mistress??? Just speculating here with all of the above.
Thanks again Marly. I think you've got that search engine purring with your touch. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-037.gif I used "female financial advisor" and not one hit. :banghead: Ouch!
Yep, CC's post is very interesting. Where has she gone BTW?
YoureNicked
07-18-2012, 07:03 AM
NBC was listed as Finance Manager for Century 21 Westside, which doesn't say much for his expertise in the field! Lol....
"Finance manager Nigel Baden-Clay and personal assistant to the principal Elaine Baden-Clay provide extraordinary stability and support with their wealth of business experience and wisdom"
http://web.archive.org/web/20080625085636/http://www.century21.com.au/westside/
Another load of self-aggrandising cr@p from 'The House of Baden-Clay"
ollijack
07-18-2012, 07:04 AM
Thanks regret, Scrolling through this smartbook, look at page 22, lower photo. I am sure that has to be TM next to Allison, with 'our boy' also in the photo, together with the last remaining female agent, before C21 closure. Good find. Note the height of the woman in black, who I think is TM. She is indeed tall.
Is that Allison in the silver dress? She is tiny. Poor darling xxxx
monsterforum
07-18-2012, 07:09 AM
Night night all thanks for the welcome ;)
marlywings
07-18-2012, 07:10 AM
Thanks regret, Scrolling through this smartbook, look at page 22, lower photo. I am sure that has to be TM next to Allison, with 'our boy' also in the photo, together with the last remaining female agent, before C21 closure. Good find. Note the height of the woman in black, who I think is TM. She is indeed tall.
I remember when a link for all the photos from that awards night was posted some time back...all the photos were removed the following day. Someone said the one in black dress wasn't TM...there was another one or two which kind of didn't look like her. There was a lovely photo of Allison also but "he" was also in it.
Makara
07-18-2012, 07:10 AM
Thanks regret, Scrolling through this smartbook, look at page 22, lower photo. I am sure that has to be TM next to Allison, with 'our boy' also in the photo, together with the last remaining female agent, before C21 closure. Good find. Note the height of the woman in black, who I think is TM. She is indeed tall.
KG!, the lady in black standing next to Allison is not TM. This was established some time ago by someone who actually knows the lady in black.
Allison just looks so gorgeous in that pic. It's unbelievable to now know that she was murdered not long after this photo was taken. :steamed: :burn:
Makara
07-18-2012, 07:13 AM
Night night all thanks for the welcome ;)
Night monsterforum and thanks for your insightful posts. All very interesting. :rocker:
ollijack
07-18-2012, 07:22 AM
Is it possible for another person (woman) to buy life insurance and pretend to be Allison. I wonder if Allison knew there were that many policies in her name? Could gerard and another have done this ?
Is that Allison in the silver dress? She is tiny. Poor darling xxxx
Yes, that is Allison, but I wouldn't say she is tiny. I think that she was a well proportioned girl. Do you think it is TM beside her? If so, it would be the first and only one I have seen of her, other than C21 head photo and 1 other head photo.
Rational
07-18-2012, 07:24 AM
:woohoo:I for one am sketchy about this post...lol..
#902 05-20-2012, 11:44 AM
Schmickthespy
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 126
Does anyone know know anything about other possible lovers of GBC?
Also... GBC financial advisor was interviewed for 4 hours the other day and also had her computer seized and a search warrant on her house. Does this mean the focus was indeed on finances????? Seems full on
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172680&page=37
BBM
YoureNicked
07-18-2012, 07:26 AM
Yep it would appear he wasn't a real estate agent he was a loan broker. I would think that our half an hours sleuthing tonight will blow century 21 practices out of the water. Two agents acting tag team one doing the deal on the sale and the other reccomending /referring to lending agencies is not arms length. I'm going to have a chook at the laws to see but I'm pretty sure the new financial services laws ASIC brought out a few years ago required arms length dealings where the three worlds meet. I'll be back and sorry to hog but I've been holding back for soooo long.
Welcome monsterforum. thanks for finally sharing your insight with us. 'Wow!' is all I can say to your thoughts above. Looking forward to hearing what you find out re: conflict of interest.
Still catching up on reading today's posts so, if you've already reported back, thankyou!
ollijack
07-18-2012, 07:27 AM
Yes, that is Allison, but I wouldn't say she is tiny. I think that she was a well proportioned girl. Do you think it is TM beside her? If so, it would be the first and only one I have seen of her, other than C21 head photo and 1 other head photo.
She was beautiful. And then to look across at that smart a**e standing there. B*****d. Xxxxx thankyou
bearbear
07-18-2012, 07:29 AM
Love you guys and thank you for the warm welcome. I'm honoured. I'm sleuthing the motor dealers and real estate agents act and competition and trade practices. No toddler tonight, glass of wine and perhaps a hot bath as raining again. That also leads me to Alison's comment to hairdresser 'night off'. I know i'd have a bath so as not to steam my new do. Gives weight to drowning in bath while girls at BC house for dinner night. Chipped tooth from impact on bath porcelain maybe.
thats an interesting thought, the girls may not have been home at the time of allisons death, but after?
do you know for sure they were at their bc g/parents for dinner?
allison reportedly left the hair salon at 6.30pm and police reported she may have been killed as early as 8-8.30pm, was she disposed of or met and killed before the girls were picked up and put to bed, the excuse being mummys out for the night, would that tie in with her car rumoured to be left at the showgrounds first thing.
but then there is the loud arguing and neighbours dog scrap barking at the back fence 10pm and rumoured sighting of two people loading something into the vehicle, so unless allisons body had been hidden in the back yard until the girls were asleep, and it was gbc and his helper arguing?
linette
07-18-2012, 07:30 AM
Yes, that is Allison, but I wouldn't say she is tiny. I think that she was a well proportioned girl. Do you think it is TM beside her? If so, it would be the first and only one I have seen of her, other than C21 head photo and 1 other head photo.
When we all discussed this last time we came to the conclusion it wasn't TM. Someone else on here knew who that woman was. Plus when you look closely at the photo, the features and build are different.
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