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07-21-2012, 07:42 AM
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Rational
07-21-2012, 07:46 AM
Thanks Pulpfiction for your posts. They have really touched me and saddened me even more.

possumheart
07-21-2012, 08:47 AM
After I talked with my dad today about the lowdown on caterpillars from the scientific point of view I ended up at the town library and what should be on the book cart in front of me - a book for five year olds about caterpillars. Nuff said.

marlywings
07-21-2012, 09:19 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay solicitor Michael Bosscher files for bankruptcy

July 22, 2012 12:00AM

ONE of Queensland's best known criminal lawyers, Michael Bosscher, has filed for bankruptcy and is appealing a Queensland Law Society decision to cancel his certificate to practise as a solicitor in Queensland.
Mr Bosscher, a founding partner of defunct law firm Ryan & Bosscher, now works for his wife's firm, Bosscher Lawyers, and is one of the solicitors representing accused wife murderer Gerard Baden-Clay.

On July 9, in a Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal, Mr Bosscher was granted a stay of the Law Society executive committee's recent decision to refuse his application to renew his practising certificate this year. But if his upcoming appeal in QCAT is unsuccessful, he will not be able to practise as a lawyer.

According to documents filed in QCAT, Mr Bosscher filed for bankruptcy on May 2. In a statement of affairs, he says partnership debts involved amounts owed to unsecured creditors, including barristers and the Australian Taxation Office

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-e6freoof-1226431613334

grannie
07-21-2012, 09:19 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay solicitor Michael Bosscher files for bankruptcy (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-fndo45r1-1226431613334)

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 09:25 AM
BERRY.

Hi. I can't elaborate further because I agree with what Bayside and Summer_Breeze wrote in that it is unwise to say too much specifically about the BC children:) I am sure you understand. Like you, I will be glued to my seat when we all get more reliable and factual info when it is released. But what I do know is that all Arthur Gorrie prisoners, even the ones in their protected area, are treated the same. GBC is in that area, like others, to keep him safe...from lots of things. The courier mail's photo and article several weeks ago had a lot of the relevant info. I don't have the link but MarlyWings would:)

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 09:29 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay solicitor Michael Bosscher files for bankruptcy

July 22, 2012 12:00AM

ONE of Queensland's best known criminal lawyers, Michael Bosscher, has filed for bankruptcy and is appealing a Queensland Law Society decision to cancel his certificate to practise as a solicitor in Queensland.
Mr Bosscher, a founding partner of defunct law firm Ryan & Bosscher, now works for his wife's firm, Bosscher Lawyers, and is one of the solicitors representing accused wife murderer Gerard Baden-Clay.

On July 9, in a Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal, Mr Bosscher was granted a stay of the Law Society executive committee's recent decision to refuse his application to renew his practising certificate this year. But if his upcoming appeal in QCAT is unsuccessful, he will not be able to practise as a lawyer.

According to documents filed in QCAT, Mr Bosscher filed for bankruptcy on May 2. In a statement of affairs, he says partnership debts involved amounts owed to unsecured creditors, including barristers and the Australian Taxation Office

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-e6freoof-1226431613334

Oh dear...Bet that caused a few choice expletives to be muttered!

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 09:30 AM
Summer_Breeze...thank you:)

marlywings
07-21-2012, 09:31 AM
BERRY.

Hi. I can't elaborate further because I agree with what Bayside and Summer_Breeze wrote in that it is unwise to say too much specifically about the BC children:) I am sure you understand. Like you, I will be glued to my seat when we all get more reliable and factual info when it is released. But what I do know is that all Arthur Gorrie prisoners, even the ones in their protected area, are treated the same. GBC is in that area, like others, to keep him safe...from lots of things. The courier mail's photo and article several weeks ago had a lot of the relevant info. I don't have the link but MarlyWings would:)

This may be the report??...

Inside the prison where accused wife-killer Gerard Baden-Clay will be held for up to three years

June 24, 2012

THIS is where accused wife-murderer Gerard Baden-Clay will live, possibly for up to three years, as the high-profile case goes through the legal process.
A toilet connected to a sink, a single bed, a mirror, TV, shelf and desk make up a 3m x 4m cell where prisoners spend 12 hours a day inside the Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre.

A small window overlooks the nondescript, high-security, prison grounds. Locked prison blocks remain under constant surveillance; thick, secure, doors slam loudly; guards walk freely through long, caged walkways; inmates workout with whatever they can find, pumping chairs like dumbbells.

Morning headcount begins at 6.45am, before a cereal and bread breakfast, followed by gym and activities such as football, tennis and volleyball.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/accused-wife-killer-in-purgatory/story-e6freon6-1226406390099

GonnaGetYa
07-21-2012, 09:32 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay solicitor Michael Bosscher files for bankruptcy



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-e6freoof-1226431613334

Oh dear.... his cash flow problems aren't going to get better anytime soon I feel!:floorlaugh:

Makara
07-21-2012, 09:44 AM
I was under the impression that Michael Bosscher had not been engaged by Baden-Clay and nor was that other bloke that writes books etc. :waitasec:

Ah Karma. Don't you just love it? :rocker:

marlywings
07-21-2012, 09:51 AM
I was under the impression that Michael Bosscher had not been engaged by Baden-Clay and nor was that other bloke that writes books etc. :waitasec:

Ah Karma. Don't you just love it? :rocker:

Yes it does contradict the report from two weeks ago...odd...

July 07, 2012

Gerard Baden-Clay has had several visitors since being jailed, including from high-profile criminal lawyers Chris Nyst and Michael Bosscher.

However, it is understood only his original solicitor, Darren Mahony, has been retained, along with barrister Peter Davis SC

http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/gerard-baden-clays-father-nigel-denied-close-contact-with-his-son-at-arthur-gorrie-correctional-centre/story-e6frfkp9-1226419500345#ixzz21GU2ZIoO

possumheart
07-21-2012, 10:06 AM
Yes it does contradict the report from two weeks ago...odd...

July 07, 2012

Gerard Baden-Clay has had several visitors since being jailed, including from high-profile criminal lawyers Chris Nyst and Michael Bosscher.

However, it is understood only his original solicitor, Darren Mahony, has been retained, along with barrister Peter Davis SC

http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/gerard-baden-clays-father-nigel-denied-close-contact-with-his-son-at-arthur-gorrie-correctional-centre/story-e6frfkp9-1226419500345#ixzz21GU2ZIoO

Maybe GBC owed MB £€¥$$$$

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 10:07 AM
This may be the report??...

That's it. Thanks:) the main difference primarily is that protected prisoners don't socialize with the general pop. and prisoners like GBC are in their own cell but I'm no expert on prisons ok lol. Within the protected area it is very closely watched/monitored also. Every prisoner I've ever worked with at Arthur Gorrie is always handcuffed & accompanied by 2 guards who stands in the background, eyes down but ever watchful and ready to pounce. I'm not sure about GBC's current feelings, but some protected prisoners are real loners and some don't go out very often at all to exercise or "socialize" beyond their own cell. Some do but not that frequently, most usually try to get along and after a while they can form friendships. Put it this way, before too long another one arrives and the GBCs of the block might befriend the newbie, eventually that happens again and again so the shock value goes down a little. A lot of them read, listen to music, and many sleep a lot once they settle in. I have been in the medical unit & offices of the protected area but not in close proximity to where GBC would be. A few years back I went out to another men's prison (@Wolston Park). I was seeing a dreadful old paedophile. Anyway, I walked in and I was told I was going into "the resort". Well I was stunned. It was actually a big new area with trees and grass and with the sun shining it was actually what I would think would be, for an incarcerated person, quite a nice break from the rest of the prison and pleasant. Arthur Gorrie is, well...more glum and I think the best place to look if you get out of your cell is up. The sky alone is the nicest thing out there so GBC truly is getting a taste of what total lack of freedom is. Btw...the worst offenders I've met are in the high secure facility at Wolston Park and they are the ones with the most dangerous & severe (or bizarre if you like) psychiatric disorders. As a student I did my practical placements there. I will never forget it lol:)

Strangeworld
07-21-2012, 10:12 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178991&page=36


pulpfiction
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mani
Pulps, give us the eerily accurate part please

I agree with what Bayside said earlier regarding how much we say about the children. However, try to read between my lines perhaps children are treated EXTREMELY carefully. I can neither confirm, nor deny obviously, who was home and what, if anything was heard. Children's reactions, without words, speak volumes. And when a child speaks we all listen VERY carefully. Particularly in cases like these.

In addition to GEANIE, I hold the same opinion as Dr Watson, and some others that information given regarding the autopsy or post mortem, whatever you wish to call it, has been somewhat guarded it seems thus far. I do know results are pending. I do believe, like many, there was a history of 'unsavory aggression'. I do also believe that the case is very, very sad and beyond that I can say little else at this point. It is very hard on children. Kids at school get wind of things, and whether now or later the protection we try to envelope these children in is penetrated. What happened to their mother is sickening. By that I don't necessarily mean in the most gruesome thing you can imagine type thing but it is sickening. There is a reason why this is a high profile case is my belief and that is because violent crimes against women, mothers, daughters, friends etc. like Allison are just so awful because it was so unnecessary. This did NOT have to happen. And her girls did not have to suffer as they did and will. Most importantly a really nice person did not need to have her life snubbed out so abruptly and in such a cold, humiliating and detached manner.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Children are usually the product of their environment and parenting. I am yet to meet a truly evil child. As Dr Watson might tell you many of the most violent and aggressive people (prison) frequently have had some sort of acquired brain injury. They weren't born evil either. A lot I see also have severe childhood PTSD that has profoundly affected them. I see them as children with ODD or conduct disorder and sadly many of them end up sociopaths and extemely dangerous. Many have logical explanations for their beliefs when you tie it in with their upbringing and the abuse suffered.

As for GBC...well aloof seems a little bit possible I would like to hear from NBC. And finally, I think we all feel sad when it comes out. A light was extinguished forever and for what purpose? It is rare a person gets away with a crime like this so the victim h died in vain because no good comes of it for the perpetrator.


Pulp Fiction, I was a little bit surprised to read the above bolded by me statement. I too have a background in psychology (I'm not verified on here, so won't go into too much detail on that), which made me do a double-take re your post.

I think there is a much stronger balance of nature/nurture than you have acknowledged. Sure, environment can play a major part, but we are also born with a specific genetic makeup that means two people exposed to the same circumstances don't always respond the same way. Just like someone who develops cancer, there is a genetic predisposition, that is triggered through exposure. And in some situations, decision-making and free will certainly influence how a person develops (or how stilted their development is). Your statement suggests hope is lost if born into a damaging home environment. I just don't agree with this, and from your other posts, I don't think you believe this either.

And the suggestion that 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree' is a very very broad generalisation - murderers do not necessarily breed murderers (through genetics or parenting). There are just way too many factors for this statement to be plausible.

I also believe that the term 'born evil', although featured in the research literature nowadays, brings forward a whole lot of generalisations and assumptions from the old 'good versus evil' concept. I am not sure how 'evil' can be classifed in the DSM? It also suggests a very black and white view of what our profession views as mental illness and psychopathy.

You sound like you do an absolutely brilliant job working with kids (which I can tell from your sincere posts), but I just had to comment re that one paragraph in your post.

possumheart
07-21-2012, 10:33 AM
Too hard to quote from an iPhone, however OH works with acquired brain injury adults and can testify to the amoral psyche they can have

Strangeworld
07-21-2012, 10:37 AM
Too hard to quote from an iPhone, however OH works with acquired brain injury adults and can testify to the amoral psyche they can have

Absolutely. A bit broader than simply moral reasoning, though. Especially the frontal lobe.

possumheart
07-21-2012, 10:40 AM
Absolutely. A bit broader than simply moral reasoning, though. Especially the frontal lobe.

Can be territorial and strong

Bayside
07-21-2012, 10:41 AM
Gerard Baden-Clay solicitor Michael Bosscher files for bankruptcy

July 22, 2012 12:00AM

ONE of Queensland's best known criminal lawyers, Michael Bosscher, has filed for bankruptcy and is appealing a Queensland Law Society decision to cancel his certificate to practise as a solicitor in Queensland.
Mr Bosscher, a founding partner of defunct law firm Ryan & Bosscher, now works for his wife's firm, Bosscher Lawyers, and is one of the solicitors representing accused wife murderer Gerard Baden-Clay.

On July 9, in a Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal, Mr Bosscher was granted a stay of the Law Society executive committee's recent decision to refuse his application to renew his practising certificate this year. But if his upcoming appeal in QCAT is unsuccessful, he will not be able to practise as a lawyer.

According to documents filed in QCAT, Mr Bosscher filed for bankruptcy on May 2. In a statement of affairs, he says partnership debts involved amounts owed to unsecured creditors, including barristers and the Australian Taxation Office

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-e6freoof-1226431613334

Well there you go, interesting indeed.

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 10:53 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178991&page=36

[start quote]

Pulp Fiction, I was a little bit surprised to read the above bolded by me statement. I too have a background in psychology (I'm not verified on here, so won't go into too much detail on that), which made me do a double-take re your post.

I think there is a much stronger balance of nature/nurture than you have acknowledged. Sure, environment can play a major part, but we are also born with a specific genetic makeup that means two people exposed to the same circumstances don't always respond the same way. Just like someone who develops cancer, there is a genetic predisposition, that is triggered through exposure. And in some situations, decision-making and free will certainly influence how a person develops (or how stilted their development is). Your statement suggests hope is lost if born into a damaging home environment. I just don't agree with this, and from your other posts, I don't think you believe this either.

And the suggestion that 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree' is a very very broad generalisation - murderers do not necessarily breed murderers (through genetics or parenting). There are just way too many factors for this statement to be plausible.

I also believe that the term 'born evil', although featured in the research literature nowadays, brings forward a whole lot of generalisations and assumptions from the old 'good versus evil' concept. I am not sure how 'evil' can be classifed in the DSM? It also suggests a very black and white view of what our profession views as mental illness and psychopathy.

You sound like you do an absolutely brilliant job working with kids (which I can tell from your sincere posts), but I just had to comment re that one paragraph in your post.

Thanks for the compliment. Actually the apple doesnt fall far from the tree was in fact a direct reference to NBC and GBC. It was not in reference to anything other than those 2 characters:). I can see how you might have thought otherwise though. As for the rest I'm not sure how or why you've arrived at your current viewpoints on what is black/white or what is nature/nurture and feel you're way off base with what my thoughts are professionally and generally speaking. But that's ok as this isn't the place for it as its an Allison Baden Clay forum and not an academic discussion:) But it's all good:)

Born Evil - is a popular term used commonly and somewhat negatively, in the media. It is used in this context to make a specific and descriptive point or analogy for this forum - not as an academic or even humanitarian construct. I do not believe in birn evil myself. Nature/nurture is a debate that will always be around as you correctly suggest. It is widely acknowledged in forensic psychology there is...actually I'm not going to head down that road - too long lol. I'm a little confused by your "Your statement suggests hope is lost if born into a damaging home environment. I just don't agree with this, and from your other posts, I don't think you believe this either". That is definitely not what I suggest or believe at all and I speak of small population.You may have jumped to a conclusion that is your own as its not mine lol. Suffice to say it is fact in prison populations that what I have said is often, but no, not always, true.

The DSM is a manual. It is not the only relevant or commonly used manual. It is open to much scrutiny and interpretation. It is often not as accurate or clear as it could be but provides a solid basis. It is regularly updated for these reasons. The construct of "evil" in terms of how it is perceived and measured is one that has been studied considerably in several prison populations both in USA and the UK. It is a fascinating methodology used and the stats indeed do show a statistically significant "evil" variable as vulgar as that sounds in terms of how we define it as such. Thank you for your interesting comments:) enjoyed your post.

summer_breeze
07-21-2012, 11:03 AM
Thank you all for your responses in previous thread regarding Allison and "in the water on purpose"....

Interesting, isn't it? But, .... I am stuck on the wording of the second charge.

"Interference with a corpse" at KHOLO CREEK.

Am I wrong in interpreting that this means the corpse (how very cold this sounds....sigh) was disturbed AT KHOLO CREEK..??????

Seems to imply that something happened at the very site that Allison's poor body was found? Too specific to bypass?

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pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 11:04 AM
Absolutely. A bit broader than simply moral reasoning, though. Especially the frontal lobe.

Indeed it is. EEG provides an interesting look at this.

Strangeworld
07-21-2012, 11:10 AM
Thanks for the compliment. Actually the apple doesnt fall far from the tree was in fact a direct reference to NBC and GBC. It was not in reference to anything other than those 2 characters:). I can see how you might have thought otherwise though. As for the rest I'm not sure how or why you've arrived at your current viewpoints on what is black/white or what is nature/nurture and feel you're way off base with what my thoughts are professionally and generally speaking. But that's ok as this isn't the place for it as its an Allison Baden Clay forum and not an academic discussion:) But it's all good:)

Born Evil - is a popular term used commonly and somewhat negatively, in the media. It is used in this context to make a specific and descriptive point or analogy for this forum - not as an academic or even humanitarian construct. I do not believe in birn evil myself. Nature/nurture is a debate that will always be around as you correctly suggest. It is widely acknowledged in forensic psychology there is...actually I'm not going to head down that road - too long lol. I'm a little confused by your "Your statement suggests hope is lost if born into a damaging home environment. I just don't agree with this, and from your other posts, I don't think you believe this either". That is definitely not what I suggest or believe at all and I speak of small population.You may have jumped to a conclusion that is your own as its not mine lol. Suffice to say it is fact in prison populations that what I have said is often, but no, not always, true.

The DSM is a manual. It is not the only relevant or commonly used manual. It is open to much scrutiny and interpretation. It is often not as accurate or clear as it could be but provides a solid basis. It is regularly updated for these reasons. The construct of "evil" in terms of how it is perceived and measured is one that has been studied considerably in several prison populations both in USA and the UK. It is a fascinating methodology used and the stats indeed do show a statistically significant "evil" variable as vulgar as that sounds in terms of how we define it as such. Thank you for your interesting comments:) enjoyed your post.

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts (and the apple/tree reference :) ). Don't agree with everything you've said, but can definitely agree to disagree. I realise on this forum certain terms are used to describe behaviours, offenders, etc. I don't have a problem with that. I do when it is used in the context of a psychological perspective, as you have put forward in your posts.

My reference to the DSM was more in terms of clinical diagnosis - yes there are others used, but I was just highlighting my disagreement with the term 'evil' from a psychological assessment and diagnostic point of view.

I wasn't intending this to be an academic discussion, rather an applied discussion. I am just a bit confused now as to what stance you are taking re your original post. But might be best to move on from, me thinks! Don't want to detract from the main purpose of this thread either :)

summer_breeze
07-21-2012, 11:18 AM
I must tell you all that I think healthy discussion (and disagreement) is important and necessary!

Education and information arms us all for better perspective and understanding that extends beyond Allison's case.


Thank you all for your tolerance of other's opinions and point of view. This lends itself to a very mature and respectful discussion!

summer_breeze
07-21-2012, 11:30 AM
Easy on each other! Please.......

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 11:39 AM
Easy on each other! Please.......

It's ok I'm still more fascinated with entomology and caterpillars now:) and Scott Peterson's latest 470 Appeal! You have kindly allowed us to express our points of view and I thank you for that. Rigorous discussion and debate is healthy, informs our mindset and is also what underpins my practice framework - so its humbling, thought provoking and enlightening:) I'm ok with it but done as I'm tired:)

ollijack
07-21-2012, 11:41 AM
Easy on each other! Please.......

What an enormous job you have. Thankyou. From my vaccations I learnt to relax. Xxxxxxxx

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 11:45 AM
Don't agree with everything you've said:)

Um...ditto:)

summer_breeze
07-21-2012, 12:10 PM
What an enormous job you have. Thankyou. From my vaccations I learnt to relax. Xxxxxxxx

How sweet!!

I must admit, I am not a very good "bad guy".....I'm a softie! But I think most fail to understand the MODS here are all volunteers. I get grumpy if I have to spend hours "cleaning up". Especially when we have asked repeatedly....

Berry
07-21-2012, 12:11 PM
Oh dear.... his cash flow problems aren't going to get better anytime soon I feel!:floorlaugh:

Yes chickens (gutless birds of a feather) stick together.

YoureNicked
07-21-2012, 03:11 PM
How sweet!!

I must admit, I am not a very good "bad guy".....I'm a softie! But I think most fail to understand the MODS here are all volunteers. I get grumpy if I have to spend hours "cleaning up". Especially when we have asked repeatedly....

Wow! You are all volunteers? Didn't know that, summer_breeze. My respect for you and the other moderators goes up even more. I know how long it takes me to 'catch up' on the posts on this thread after one day...so if you are checking more than lot of threads then you must either be really fast readers and exhausted!

Thanks very much for the great work you all do in providing a well-run place for sleuths to exercise their brain cells and do a bit for promoting justice.
:)

xox

YoureNicked
07-21-2012, 03:12 PM
Thank you all for your responses in previous thread regarding Allison and "in the water on purpose"....

Interesting, isn't it? But, .... I am stuck on the wording of the second charge.

"Interference with a corpse" at KHOLO CREEK.

Am I wrong in interpreting that this means the corpse (how very cold this sounds....sigh) was disturbed AT KHOLO CREEK..??????

Seems to imply that something happened at the very site that Allison's poor body was found? Too specific to bypass?

http://images.zaazu.com/img/scratch-head03-idea-animated-animation-smiley-emoticon-000416-large.gif

Agree.

Curiousasacat
07-21-2012, 04:18 PM
Thanks Pulpfiction for your posts. They have really touched me and saddened me even more.

Same, thanks Pulp.... Nice to know there are people like you in this world though. The girls would be so very lucky in my MOO if you were involved in their lives.

Curiousasacat
07-21-2012, 04:19 PM
Hi Summer,
Thanks. I am sorry we are such naughty kids.
I know you love us though : )

Curiousasacat
07-21-2012, 04:21 PM
Gerard Baden-Clay solicitor Michael Bosscher files for bankruptcy

July 22, 2012 12:00AM

ONE of Queensland's best known criminal lawyers, Michael Bosscher, has filed for bankruptcy and is appealing a Queensland Law Society decision to cancel his certificate to practise as a solicitor in Queensland.
Mr Bosscher, a founding partner of defunct law firm Ryan & Bosscher, now works for his wife's firm, Bosscher Lawyers, and is one of the solicitors representing accused wife murderer Gerard Baden-Clay.

On July 9, in a Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal, Mr Bosscher was granted a stay of the Law Society executive committee's recent decision to refuse his application to renew his practising certificate this year. But if his upcoming appeal in QCAT is unsuccessful, he will not be able to practise as a lawyer.

According to documents filed in QCAT, Mr Bosscher filed for bankruptcy on May 2. In a statement of affairs, he says partnership debts involved amounts owed to unsecured creditors, including barristers and the Australian Taxation Office

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-e6freoof-1226431613334


What!!!!! :waitasec::waitasec:

imamaze
07-21-2012, 04:29 PM
Please do not discuss rumors. Although SOME rumors turn out to be true in the end, there are also those that are just that 'rumor,' and tend to derail the threads. Until there's a 'link' to verify a circumstance, we ask you do NOT post rumors.

This includes discussion of what the minor children "might" have said.

If locals wish to be verified (as local residents with insider information), then we would be able to discuss, unless the information might jeopardize the investigation or case.

Bumping, I think this will answer your question Curiousasacat.

Ima

Curiousasacat
07-21-2012, 04:34 PM
Bumping, I think this will answer your question Curiousasacat.

Ima

Hi Imamaze, yes, thank you. Edited my post after I read summers comment. :blush:

Thanks to you too for your work on this group.

Maigret
07-21-2012, 05:24 PM
Thank you all for your responses in previous thread regarding Allison and "in the water on purpose"....

Interesting, isn't it? But, .... I am stuck on the wording of the second charge.

"Interference with a corpse" at KHOLO CREEK.

Am I wrong in interpreting that this means the corpse (how very cold this sounds....sigh) was disturbed AT KHOLO CREEK..??????

Seems to imply that something happened at the very site that Allison's poor body was found? Too specific to bypass?

http://images.zaazu.com/img/scratch-head03-idea-animated-animation-smiley-emoticon-000416-large.gif

I think that the wording of that charge is very important the charge is 'Interfering with a corpse at Kholo Creek' Allison was found under Kholo Bridge
Kholo Creek is a few kilometers long. So I feel that they do think she was carried to the bridge by flooding waters ( I am not so sure) and the interfering- :(
OMG I think we are all going to be a bit shocked when it all comes out

Mountain Misst
07-21-2012, 05:30 PM
I think that the wording of that charge is very important the charge is 'Interfering with a corpse at Kholo Creek' Allison was found under Kholo Bridge
Kholo Creek is a few kilometers long. So I feel that they do think she was carried to the bridge by flooding waters ( I am not so sure) and the interfering- :(
OMG I think we are all going to be a bit shocked when it all comes out

Agree, Maigret. The charge was not Kholo Creek Bridge or under or at Kholo Creek Bridge. IMO the prosecution consider that the body was deposited in close proximity to Kholo Creek - anywhere along Kholo Creek.

Every access to said creek would need to have been thoroughly searched.

Mountain Misst
07-21-2012, 05:37 PM
Am I wrong in interpreting that this means the corpse (how very cold this sounds....sigh) was disturbed AT KHOLO CREEK..??????

Seems to imply that something happened at the very site that Allison's poor body was found? Too specific to bypass?

http://images.zaazu.com/img/scratch-head03-idea-animated-animation-smiley-emoticon-000416-large.gif

The something that happened was that the body was transported to the site. Not that the body was interfered with after being deposited....

Maigret
07-21-2012, 06:07 PM
I tend to think that they have added that charge in case his defence is that she fell and beat herself up badly and he panicked. Or that it was an accident he didn't mean to kill her. They want him to go away for a long time and they are trying to make sure he doesn't get just a couple of years. JMO
With all his accidents and the alleged DV call outs the local police would have a fairly good idea about Mr Baden-Clay and his lovely hard done by wife. There is often nothing that the police can do even with someone answering the door with a bloody nose and other obvious injuries :(

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 06:19 PM
Same, thanks Pulp.... Nice to know there are people like you in this world though. The girls would be so very lucky in my MOO if you were involved in their lives.

Thank you - it's my job and there are many positive experiences amongst the tradegy. There are also many professionals committed to improving the lives of families who have been sadly influenced by violent crime. I think I mentioned I have been to weddings & christenings of children many years later who found happiness - sometimes against odds that seemed unbeatable and with spirits I once thought completely shattered.

pulpfiction
07-21-2012, 06:27 PM
The something that happened was that the body was transported to the site. Not that the body was interfered with after being deposited....

Yes that's what I finally concluded after thinking like Summer-Breeze, which seemed so macabre initially. I think it means Allison was killed at the house and then moved to the creek. However, there are some who thought and still think the interfering part relates to the earlier possibility that following being moved to the creek after the incident at the house, someone went back and removed the hands due to the issue with the scratches and alleged caterpillar attacks on GBCs person (this, Ie. hands removal, has been discussed on these threads also). Not saying I necessarily agree with that but some hold that opinion and each to their own until more comes out because so far what we know is just a chipped tooth, dental records were allegedly used (common) and there was substantial decomposition - again what you'd expect given the length of time and the conditions at the creek area is what many on here seem to believe also:)

grannie
07-21-2012, 07:33 PM
"Interference with a corpse" at KHOLO CREEK.

Am I wrong in interpreting that this means the corpse (how very cold this sounds....sigh) was disturbed AT KHOLO CREEK..??????


Hi Summer_breeze, to me it sounds exactly that. My version of such an interference is that the perp placed the body in such a way that its decomposition would speed up, to destroy the evidence. For example, bits of the perps skin under Allison's nails could have been washed away because her hands were in water all that time, etc JMO.

Maigret
07-21-2012, 08:56 PM
Hi Summer_breeze, to me it sounds exactly that. My version of such an interference is that the perp placed the body in such a way that its decomposition would speed up, to destroy the evidence. For example, bits of the perps skin under Allison's nails could have been washed away because her hands were in water all that time, etc JMO.

I hate to think that she was in the water all that time :(

Curiousasacat
07-21-2012, 09:09 PM
Wow is it ever quiet here today!

I'm surprised how divided we are on the interference with a corpse.

I had assumed that it was simply the fact that she was murdered at home and interfered by moving it to where she was found?? MOO

Maigret
07-21-2012, 09:32 PM
Wow is it ever quiet here today!

I'm surprised how divided we are on the interference with a corpse.

I had assumed that it was simply the fact that she was murdered at home and interfered by moving it to where she was found?? MOO

Is Lloyd Rayney charged with interfering with a corpse?

BreakingNews
07-21-2012, 09:54 PM
Is Lloyd Rayney charged with interfering with a corpse?
That's WA. Maybe different states have different laws about the meaning of 'interfering with a body'.

Makara
07-21-2012, 10:09 PM
Is it possible for the seats in the Captiva to be removed? I've been thinking that the back seats were removed entirely and then Allison's body was placed in the back of the car. This may account for the lack of staining etc. on the back seats as seen in the pics below.

24787

24788

BreakingNews
07-21-2012, 10:21 PM
Is it possible for the seats in the Captiva to be removed? I've been thinking that the back seats were removed entirely and then Allison's body was placed in the back of the car. This may account for the lack of staining etc. on the back seats as seen in the pics below.

24787

24788
It's possible, Makara. Would explain why the 4 doors were seen open during the night. On the other hand, was GBC the type who would know how to do this on a vehicle he'd only had for 8 weeks? Or am I getting the vehicles mixed up?

Maigret
07-21-2012, 10:48 PM
It's possible, Makara. Would explain why the 4 doors were seen open during the night. On the other hand, was GBC the type who would know how to do this on a vehicle he'd only had for 8 weeks? Or am I getting the vehicles mixed up?

That's right they had only had the Captiva for 8 weeks

littlethings
07-21-2012, 10:58 PM
I'm pretty sure the hand issue can be put to sleep as other than a chipped tooth there were no other exterior wounds according to the evidence given at the bail hearing. In regard to interfering with a corpse, (I hate that word too,) I'm pretty sure that it was put forward as the removal of the corpse from the house to the creek. Once a person is no longer alive they then become a corpse and anything done to that person, whether it be moving them, dressing them, etc is considered interfering with a corpse. Isn't this an odd case, the alleged murderer appears to have more wounds than the victim...God love Ällison, she fought for her life and hopefully her last actions will be the undoing of the man who murdered her. This is only my opinion from all the reading I have done - certainly not an experts opinion.
Cheers and thanks for having me.:banghead:

J-Diggety
07-21-2012, 11:13 PM
Is it possible for the seats in the Captiva to be removed? I've been thinking that the back seats were removed entirely and then Allison's body was placed in the back of the car. This may account for the lack of staining etc. on the back seats as seen in the pics below.

24787

24788

Im thinking he had a tarp if in fact he used that vehicle. ill-placed Tarp may have missed some

Mousie
07-21-2012, 11:20 PM
I am still somewhat confused regarding the blood evidence. From where on the body would the blood have been from if there was no evidence of injury other than a chipped tooth. Which is indicative that there was no visible sign of any external injuries. Also, how does blood appear on both wheel hubs but not in the centre of the vehicle. The use of a tarp does not fully explain that to me because again at what area of the body would the blood come from so that it would leave it on both wheel hubs.

Maigret
07-21-2012, 11:34 PM
I am still somewhat confused regarding the blood evidence. From where on the body would the blood have been from if there was no evidence of injury other than a chipped tooth. Which is indicative that there was no visible sign of any external injuries. Also, how does blood appear on both wheel hubs but not in the centre of the vehicle. The use of a tarp does not fully explain that to me because again at what area of the body would the blood come from so that it would leave it on both wheel hubs.

I imagine the blood is from maybe a nose or mouth injury neither of which would be still visible injuries after so long in the elements

Mani
07-21-2012, 11:43 PM
Well what I would like to know is this - if Allison was killed at the house as reported by msm - then wouldn't there be blood there - but I can't remember reading in msm about any blood at the house - and if she was bleeding in the house from injuries sustained there - wouldn't GBC have taken precautions in the car so as the blood was not found there?

It doesn't add up to me..........IMO

J-Diggety
07-21-2012, 11:43 PM
I am still somewhat confused regarding the blood evidence. From where on the body would the blood have been from if there was no evidence of injury other than a chipped tooth. Which is indicative that there was no visible sign of any external injuries. Also, how does blood appear on both wheel hubs but not in the centre of the vehicle. The use of a tarp does not fully explain that to me because again at what area of the body would the blood come from so that it would leave it on both wheel hubs.

Im not convinced all the marsk are actually blood. other substances will show as blood.

Mousie
07-21-2012, 11:54 PM
I imagine the blood is from maybe a nose or mouth injury neither of which would be still visible injuries after so long in the elements

If the blood is from the nose or mouth that doesn't explain how it got on both the left and right wheel hub.

Maigret
07-22-2012, 12:12 AM
If the blood is from the nose or mouth that doesn't explain how it got on both the left and right wheel hub.

I know unless it was on someone's hands - it was referred to as a 'smear'

Mousie
07-22-2012, 12:26 AM
I know unless it was on someone's hands - it was referred to as a 'smear'
That is what is so confusing. The picture of the back of the vehicle shows the wheel hubs with the spray on it and with the following caption "Picture of the inside of the boot of Gerard Baden-Clay's car, where police allege they found Allison's blood." Unless the statement in the paper was incorrect and somewhat misleading.

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 12:39 AM
Well what I would like to know is this - if Allison was killed at the house as reported by msm - then wouldn't there be blood there - but I can't remember reading in msm about any blood at the house - and if she was bleeding in the house from injuries sustained there - wouldn't GBC have taken precautions in the car so as the blood was not found there?

It doesn't add up to me..........IMO

That's what I've been saying for several threads

itsthevibe
07-22-2012, 12:39 AM
pulpfiction
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 158

I agree with what Bayside said earlier regarding how much we say about the children. However, try to read between my lines perhaps children are treated EXTREMELY carefully. I can neither confirm, nor deny obviously, who was home and what, if anything was heard. Children's reactions, without words, speak volumes. And when a child speaks we all listen VERY carefully. Particularly in cases like these.

In addition to GEANIE, I hold the same opinion as Dr Watson, and some others that information given regarding the autopsy or post mortem, whatever you wish to call it, has been somewhat guarded it seems thus far. I do know results are pending. I do believe, like many, there was a history of 'unsavory aggression'. I do also believe that the case is very, very sad and beyond that I can say little else at this point. It is very hard on children. Kids at school get wind of things, and whether now or later the protection we try to envelope these children in is penetrated. What happened to their mother is sickening. By that I don't necessarily mean in the most gruesome thing you can imagine type thing but it is sickening. There is a reason why this is a high profile case is my belief and that is because violent crimes against women, mothers, daughters, friends etc. like Allison are just so awful because it was so unnecessary. This did NOT have to happen. And her girls did not have to suffer as they did and will. Most importantly a really nice person did not need to have her life snubbed out so abruptly and in such a cold, humiliating and detached manner.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Children are usually the product of their environment and parenting. I am yet to meet a truly evil child. As Dr Watson might tell you many of the most violent and aggressive people (prison) frequently have had some sort of acquired brain injury. They weren't born evil either. A lot I see also have severe childhood PTSD that has profoundly affected them. I see them as children with ODD or conduct disorder and sadly many of them end up sociopaths and extemely dangerous. Many have logical explanations for their beliefs when you tie it in with their upbringing and the abuse suffered.

As for GBC...well aloof seems a little bit possible I would like to hear from NBC. And finally, I think we all feel sad when it comes out. A light was extinguished forever and for what purpose? It is rare a person gets away with a crime like this so the victim h died in vain because no good comes of it for the perpetrator.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178991&page=36



Pulp Fiction, I was a little bit surprised to read the above bolded by me statement. I too have a background in psychology (I'm not verified on here, so won't go into too much detail on that), which made me do a double-take re your post.

I think there is a much stronger balance of nature/nurture than you have acknowledged. Sure, environment can play a major part, but we are also born with a specific genetic makeup that means two people exposed to the same circumstances don't always respond the same way. Just like someone who develops cancer, there is a genetic predisposition, that is triggered through exposure. And in some situations, decision-making and free will certainly influence how a person develops (or how stilted their development is). Your statement suggests hope is lost if born into a damaging home environment. I just don't agree with this, and from your other posts, I don't think you believe this either.

And the suggestion that 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree' is a very very broad generalisation - murderers do not necessarily breed murderers (through genetics or parenting). There are just way too many factors for this statement to be plausible.

I also believe that the term 'born evil', although featured in the research literature nowadays, brings forward a whole lot of generalisations and assumptions from the old 'good versus evil' concept. I am not sure how 'evil' can be classifed in the DSM? It also suggests a very black and white view of what our profession views as mental illness and psychopathy.

You sound like you do an absolutely brilliant job working with kids (which I can tell from your sincere posts), but I just had to comment re that one paragraph in your post.

I believe what is written here is just another opinion. I dont understand the surprise at Pulpfiction's post. This assumes the correctness of one opinion over another. I consider Pulpfictions post very helpful and valid. The last statement ... hmmm....

DunnoZo
07-22-2012, 12:39 AM
Just returned from a local day out in Brookfield. At 10:30 this morning I passes 2 uniformed (maybe QPS) walking/studying the little bridge near the Brookfield Nurseries Inbound . Of course, the first thing i think I must tell you guys! Don't know if it was related t all, but could be.

also, At the local fair, I was naturally drawn to the big vase of yellow flowers.A small sign asking for donations for Baden Clay girls. I got shivers, and it made me smile, and I donated, and thank you to whoever's idea that was.

itsthevibe
07-22-2012, 12:44 AM
Thanks for the compliment. Actually the apple doesnt fall far from the tree was in fact a direct reference to NBC and GBC. It was not in reference to anything other than those 2 characters:). I can see how you might have thought otherwise though. As for the rest I'm not sure how or why you've arrived at your current viewpoints on what is black/white or what is nature/nurture and feel you're way off base with what my thoughts are professionally and generally speaking. But that's ok as this isn't the place for it as its an Allison Baden Clay forum and not an academic discussion:) But it's all good:)

Born Evil - is a popular term used commonly and somewhat negatively, in the media. It is used in this context to make a specific and descriptive point or analogy for this forum - not as an academic or even humanitarian construct. I do not believe in birn evil myself. Nature/nurture is a debate that will always be around as you correctly suggest. It is widely acknowledged in forensic psychology there is...actually I'm not going to head down that road - too long lol. I'm a little confused by your "Your statement suggests hope is lost if born into a damaging home environment. I just don't agree with this, and from your other posts, I don't think you believe this either". That is definitely not what I suggest or believe at all and I speak of small population.You may have jumped to a conclusion that is your own as its not mine lol. Suffice to say it is fact in prison populations that what I have said is often, but no, not always, true.

The DSM is a manual. It is not the only relevant or commonly used manual. It is open to much scrutiny and interpretation. It is often not as accurate or clear as it could be but provides a solid basis. It is regularly updated for these reasons. The construct of "evil" in terms of how it is perceived and measured is one that has been studied considerably in several prison populations both in USA and the UK. It is a fascinating methodology used and the stats indeed do show a statistically significant "evil" variable as vulgar as that sounds in terms of how we define it as such. Thank you for your interesting comments:) enjoyed your post.

thanks for this, very enlightening and I do think this discussion can help the case - just as profiling is used by LE in helping to solve crimes.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 01:10 AM
Well what I would like to know is this - if Allison was killed at the house as reported by msm - then wouldn't there be blood there - but I can't remember reading in msm about any blood at the house - and if she was bleeding in the house from injuries sustained there - wouldn't GBC have taken precautions in the car so as the blood was not found there?

It doesn't add up to me..........IMO

The media has only reported a small amount of information so just because they havent mentioned blood in the house doesnt mean that there wasnt any. It is probably more relevant that there is blood in the family car than the home as it could be argued that an intruder killed Allison in the house.

The info given at the bail hearing was enough to have his bail denied and that is all it was put forward for. The limited info that is being leaked is for a reason and without knowing all the info it would be impossible to make sense of it. IMO

Bayside
07-22-2012, 01:13 AM
Just returned from a local day out in Brookfield. At 10:30 this morning I passes 2 uniformed (maybe QPS) walking/studying the little bridge near the Brookfield Nurseries Inbound . Of course, the first thing i think I must tell you guys! Don't know if it was related t all, but could be.

also, At the local fair, I was naturally drawn to the big vase of yellow flowers.A small sign asking for donations for Baden Clay girls. I got shivers, and it made me smile, and I donated, and thank you to whoever's idea that was.

Good to see another local reporter on the job lol....thanks.

itsthevibe
07-22-2012, 01:14 AM
Well what I would like to know is this - if Allison was killed at the house as reported by msm - then wouldn't there be blood there - but I can't remember reading in msm about any blood at the house - and if she was bleeding in the house from injuries sustained there - wouldn't GBC have taken precautions in the car so as the blood was not found there?

It doesn't add up to me..........IMO

From what others have posted in the past I think the stains on the wheel hubs are not blood, I think the luminol shows up certain cleaning products and may even show up some substances used in forensics? Not sure exactly, but i dont think it all has to be blood.

So I think the only blood may be on the door, where it actually looked more like blood dripping down. I was thinking that blood could have come from her face, either nose or mouth, after being placed in the car and door closing and perhaps her face ended up getting squashed onto the door, maybe accidentally when the body moved in the car or something. There may have also been some blood on the floor of the car, which is why all those toys were placed there. But i dont know how that would have got there unless it was also from the nose or mouth as the body was being slid or pushed into the vehicle.

This is of course based on Allison being strangled or smothered. This link below describes homicidal smothering, throttling, and other methods such as Gagging/Choking (stuffing something into the mouth). On reading the descriptions in detail it seems it's more likely that there could be bleeding from nose and mouth if she was smothered, but there is a possibility of blood in the other methods, however not as common from the way I read it.

http://http://forensicpathologyonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106&Itemid=123

Alternatively, if the marks throughout the back of the vehicle including the wheel mounts are actually blood, then there has to be something drastic that has occurred in terms of injuries, such as bashing, removal of hand/s and/or feet, or god knows what else. I lean towards it being more simple and those areas not being blood, but I also keep thinking about what Hawkins and Pulp have very vaguely alluded to, that some of what we find out will be a shocker.

I do feel that the alleged murderer, at the time, would have gone into a frenzy and whatever happened he would have pursued any actions to ensure he killed Allison. If the murderer is GBC, looking at his track record of accidents and generally botching a lot of things, I think it's possible that somehow he may have stuffed up trying to kill her initially, and as she was not dead he resorted to further actions to ensure her death. I hope this is not true but it seems feasible and could explain the comments about it being disturbing when we eventually find out what happened. It would also explain the reports that once the body was found police had a pretty good idea of COD, and also why they were so concerned when they first went to the house - basically that in some way he made a mess of it, and then had to work much harder to clean things up.

Sleuthilicious
07-22-2012, 01:54 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but I've not been online for a while...

http://www.news.com.au/national/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-fndo4ckr-1226431613334

ollijack
07-22-2012, 02:47 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but I've not been online for a while...

http://www.news.com.au/national/gerard-baden-clay-solicitor-michael-bosscher-files-for-bankruptcy/story-fndo4ckr-1226431613334

Thankyou Sleuthilicious......I had missed it. xxxxx:seeya:

bearbear
07-22-2012, 02:49 AM
I am still somewhat confused regarding the blood evidence. From where on the body would the blood have been from if there was no evidence of injury other than a chipped tooth. Which is indicative that there was no visible sign of any external injuries. Also, how does blood appear on both wheel hubs but not in the centre of the vehicle. The use of a tarp does not fully explain that to me because again at what area of the body would the blood come from so that it would leave it on both wheel hubs.

allison was possibly rolled in a tarpaulin or sheet, rug etc and her body too long so if her head was out one end fluid or blood may have been in her hair and dripped or smeared the hub, and if her body was then moved to a different position, it could explain the other wheel hub? reportedly it was only a small drop of blood found and could have even been transferred from the killer after contact with allison?

ollijack
07-22-2012, 03:24 AM
was just looking at his FB page. 360 people now....I'm surprised at these people. I can understand his family but why are the other's there. They are like voyeurs. I would be too embarrassed to be seen.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 03:31 AM
wish we could get a teensy weensy bit more inside info or msm report to keep us sleuthing. i liked hearing all the rumours from locals and people who know people, so far a lot of them have been true, arent we allowed to discuss rumours anymore?

No rumours and no chit chat, prob why it is so quiet here today.

marlywings
07-22-2012, 03:31 AM
wish we could get a teensy weensy bit more inside info or msm report to keep us sleuthing. i liked hearing all the rumours from locals and people who know people, so far a lot of them have been true, arent we allowed to discuss rumours anymore?

bearbear...Summer's post on first page of this thread...

#6 Yesterday, 09:42 PM
summer_breeze
WS Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 20,099

Please do not discuss rumors. Although SOME rumors turn out to be true in the end, there are also those that are just that 'rumor,' and tend to derail the threads. Until there's a 'link' to verify a circumstance, we ask you do NOT post rumors.

This includes discussion of what the minor children "might" have said.

If locals wish to be verified (as local residents with insider information), then we would be able to discuss, unless the information might jeopardize the investigation or case.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 03:32 AM
I agree, a lot of what has been discussed here is rumour, some of which has turned out to be true.

I think we should be able to continue that, and I think most people take many things with the proverbial grain of salt.

No offence to mods though, I think you all do an awesome job, and this is a great website :rocker:

I agree with you Laura.... Oh well at least my kitchen is getting a good scrub down lol.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 03:34 AM
was just looking at his FB page. 360 people now....I'm surprised at these people. I can understand his family but why are the other's there. They are like voyeurs. I would be too embarrassed to be seen.

Yeah I dont know what they are waiting for from him haha.

possumheart
07-22-2012, 03:51 AM
All we are left with at the moment is rehashing stuff

marlywings
07-22-2012, 03:55 AM
Yeah I dont know what they are waiting for from him haha.

Wasn't there a couple of members from here who were on his list??...also he was all over the place with his videos & blogs etc but I wonder how much or how often GBC actually used Facebook...

marlywings
07-22-2012, 03:57 AM
All we are left with at the moment is rehashing stuff

Yep...going to be a longggg haul until September's court date...then just a couple of years before trial...lol..

CouchCop
07-22-2012, 03:57 AM
Have just been catching up on the last day or so and have read for the first time this evening that Michael Bosscher is in a bankruptcy situation .... for me that pretty much confirms that a pro bono deal wouldn't be the go with this lawyer.

The timing is interesting too, given that the Bosscher situation has just been so recently before QCAT. There was mention of failure to pay employee superannuation funds on occasions. It is too crazy to speculate that Bosscher's coming undone could have been triggered by a wider investigation regarding GBC's affairs?

possumheart
07-22-2012, 04:00 AM
It is too crazy to speculate that Bosscher's coming undone could have been triggered by a wider investigation regarding GBC's affairs?

Not necessarily.

alioop
07-22-2012, 04:02 AM
Have just been catching up on the last day or so and have read for the first time this evening that Michael Bosscher is in a bankruptcy situation .... for me that pretty much confirms that a pro bono deal wouldn't be the go with this lawyer.

The timing is interesting too, given that the Bosscher situation has just been so recently before QCAT. There was mention of failure to pay employee superannuation funds on occasions. It is too crazy to speculate that Bosscher's coming undone could have been triggered by a wider investigation regarding GBC's affairs?

I don't think that Bosscher's financial woes or revelations of same have anything whatsoever to do with GBC. I don't even think he is retained by GBC as a lawyer, only that he may have had one consultation with him at most.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 04:15 AM
Wasn't there a couple of members from here who were on his list??...also he was all over the place with his videos & blogs etc but I wonder how much or how often GBC actually used Facebook...

I bet he used his fake facebook a lot to contact TM.

UnfoldingTruth
07-22-2012, 04:18 AM
The media has only reported a small amount of information so just because they havent mentioned blood in the house doesnt mean that there wasnt any. It is probably more relevant that there is blood in the family car than the home as it could be argued that an intruder killed Allison in the house.

The info given at the bail hearing was enough to have his bail denied and that is all it was put forward for. The limited info that is being leaked is for a reason and without knowing all the info it would be impossible to make sense of it. IMO

Totally agree Bayside. I don't really believe there was no other injuries. I believe as has been said, Police did know how she was killed almost immediately. I don't believe the full details are known yet, other than to Police and prosecution team. I don't really take much notice of the defence team saying the only injury was chipped tooth. They did not have full access to the prosecutions information. MOO

J-Diggety
07-22-2012, 04:30 AM
was just looking at his FB page. 360 people now....I'm surprised at these people. I can understand his family but why are the other's there. They are like voyeurs. I would be too embarrassed to be seen.

So many people have Facebook and don't look at it. They may not even know.

Even if they do, they're no different to us discussing the whole shebang, people driving past the house, the bridge, sleuthing potential POIs, we're all in the same gang trying to get something for nothing.

J-Diggety
07-22-2012, 04:32 AM
Bosscher had nothing apart form a little chat?

If you were to think his bankruptcy was based on a chat and potential to defend, then the bloke was in trouble well before this. Money problems don't happen overnight they take a long time.

An idle forum is the devils playground.

possumheart
07-22-2012, 04:33 AM
Vibe I do recall from reports of the affidavit that GBC had a cut to his hand which he claimed was caused by changing a lightbulb at an open house, however this claim was refuted by one if his colleagues

marlywings
07-22-2012, 04:35 AM
I bet he used his fake facebook a lot to contact TM.

Yes for sure.. I wonder what name she used to reply to him...& also wonder how many other accounts he had to contact the others he had stringing along...

When you look back at those calls he made about the life insurance, calls he made on the day he reported her missing....that's not a lot of calls all up, so I think there may be a heck load we're still to hear about. Then there'll be text messages on top of that...

alioop
07-22-2012, 04:42 AM
Vibe I do recall from reports of the affidavit that GBC had a cut to his hand which he claimed was caused by changing a lightbulb at an open house, however this claim was refuted by one if his colleagues

When I first read about GBC's "lightbulb moment" and that the employee who was with him said it didn't happen, I thought how stupid could he be. But then he allegedly has told so many lies that maybe he is truly having trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.

Crime and punishment
07-22-2012, 06:15 AM
Just watched an absolutely fascinating story on Channel 7s Sunday program about a convicted wife murderer just released from prison after serving 25 years in jail. Still proclaiming his innocence incredibly -Kalajzich's situation and personality traits are similar to GBC -quite chilling really- although this fellow had a couple of attempts at murdering his poor wife before the dirty deed was completed by a hired hit man.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/14263953/did-he-do-it/

Mani
07-22-2012, 06:27 AM
Even if they do, they're no different to us discussing the whole shebang, people driving past the house, the bridge, sleuthing potential POIs, we're all in the same gang trying to get something for nothing.

What do you mean JD? Sri if it is a dumb question.

summer_breeze
07-22-2012, 06:36 AM
The something that happened was that the body was transported to the site. Not that the body was interfered with after being deposited....

Yes, thank you MM. The body was originally placed at Kholo Creek where it was found. That makes the most sense!

bearbear
07-22-2012, 06:55 AM
has anyone else had trouble logging onto websleuths the last hour? now when i refresh i cant go to page 5?
yay! im on page 5 now! ignore my silliness!

Timmy
07-22-2012, 06:57 AM
has anyone else had trouble logging onto websleuths the last hour? now when i refresh i cant go to page 5?

Yes! same here! but I just came back and you are on page 5! lol

J-Diggety
07-22-2012, 07:03 AM
What do you mean JD? Sri if it is a dumb question.


More the fact that, if peeps did have a relationship with GBC through FB, then most may be remiss to lose it, as they may garner some sort of info/status from maintaining that relationship. Unlkely as we all know.

Wr all have atsrnage bond wot this case, for whatever reason.

Some good, some twisted, some downright weird.

You guys are special, good hearted people, respect!

J-Diggety
07-22-2012, 07:04 AM
has anyone else had trouble logging onto websleuths the last hour? now when i refresh i cant go to page 5?
yay! im on page 5 now! ignore my silliness!

Been tough

bearbear
07-22-2012, 07:06 AM
15 members 30 guests, this is like sitting in a room full of guests with nobody talking, awkward!

Timmy
07-22-2012, 07:06 AM
Vibe I do recall from reports of the affidavit that GBC had a cut to his hand which he claimed was caused by changing a lightbulb at an open house, however this claim was refuted by one if his colleagues

So let's just recap-

1. Scratches on his face caused by a 'blunt razor'.
2. Scratches on his body caused by a 'caterpillar incident'.
3. Cut on his hand caused by a 'lightbulb incident'.

What are the chances??. How unlucky can one man be? And all in the same week his wife gets murdered!!!

bearbear
07-22-2012, 07:08 AM
Been tough

whats been tough? ignoring my silliness or logging on?

J-Diggety
07-22-2012, 07:10 AM
whats been tough? ignoring my silliness or logging on?

Logging on bearbear, I had nothing for ages

You have no silliness, only fun!

pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 07:10 AM
The media has only reported a small amount of information so just because they havent mentioned blood in the house doesnt mean that there wasnt any. It is probably more relevant that there is blood in the family car than the home as it could be argued that an intruder killed Allison in the house.

The info given at the bail hearing was enough to have his bail denied and that is all it was put forward for. The limited info that is being leaked is for a reason and without knowing all the info it would be impossible to make sense of it. IMO

I'm so glad you said this as it's exactly what I was going to say and what my thoughts have been for some time. The media often does this.

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07-22-2012, 07:14 AM
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A running chronology of what I think we know definitely (ie that can be substantiated by either the police, public statements by friends and or other links)
Please feel free to add subtract or correct.

April 19
-GBC was due to attend Kenmore CC meeting at 7 am. No conformation if he attended.
-around 9 am GBCmade purchase at chemist. Chemist made statement to police
-Cross country race atchildren's school at which both GBCand ABCattended
- ABC goes to hairdresser stating that she has the night off as children are at sleepover 'hairdresser interviewed by police.
- ABC speaks to best friend over phone and says she will drop in on Friday after Pathways conference
-10 pm Argument overheard by neighbours, scream and muffled scream heard, dog barking loudly

April 20
-witness sees two 4wds, one white and smaller blue one , white one with parking lights, bluenose full lights, at around 4am near Anstead 2 km from Kholo Creek Bridge
- 7.30 am GBC reports ABC missing to police
-GBC engages lawyer
- GBC observed with scratches to face and torso

April 21
- police declare crime scene and cars impounded

April 22
- GBCcrashes friend's car

April 23
Police declare GBC a POI along with a number of other people close to the couple

April 24
Heavy rain Greater Brisbane area

April 22- 25
-GBC engages barrister

April 25
- police spent 4 hrs interviewing a woman believed to be a former colleague of GBC. This woman subsequently hires a lawyer
- Police are urging anyone who saw the family cars if ABC and GBC on the night she vanished to come forward

April 26
Police search a house in Durness St Kenmore and executed a search warrant at a business.

April 27
Huge amount of rain in Brookfield and Anstead/Pullenvale catchment

April 30-now
-body of Allison found near Kholo Creek bridge on bank
- police keep asking anyone who saw anything suspicious near roundabout between 11 pm on April 19 and 4.30 am April 20 to contact them.
-Police say Allison knew her killer and possibly had an accomplice.
On 5 May police say that they now know that ABC was murdered before her body was dumped in a creek

Re mobile phone, it was reported that the mobile phone,which disappeared when ABC did, eventually ran flat however, before it did, police were able to triangulate it narrowing the location to Brookfield, Kenmore and Pullenvale.

Thank you to everyone who commented, greaat collective effort, but I will take individual responsibility for any mistakes and will try and correct!'
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bearbear
07-22-2012, 07:14 AM
Logging on bearbear, I had nothing for ages

You have no silliness, only fun!

thankyou j diggety!!! thats a relief!!!

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07-22-2012, 07:19 AM
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POLICE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST GERARD BADEN-CLAY MADE AT HIS BAIL APPLICATION.

3rd April - Gerard Baden-Clay emails mistress to say he will be separated by July 1, 2012.

12th April – Gerard Baden-Clay telephoned the life insurance company that held one of ABC’s two life insurance policies. “He asked for information on the policy but was told it could not be provided because it was not in his name, police alleged”.http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226405967381

17th April – ABC had two life insurance policies, enquiries about the policy were made twice on or about 17th April. Once by ABC – she was aware of said policies. It is thought that they were struggling with the premiums and the call was made to roll them into one or to this effect: refer to Nads' Post 181 of Thread 26 in which Nads shares the information Mrs Muddles has reported from the bail hearing.

18th April - Allison has been writing about her husband's affair http://http://www.couriermail.com.au...-1226405120615

18th April - 10.08pm: Baden-Clay searched "taking the Fifth" online

19th April - Allison has been writing about her husband's affair http://http://www.couriermail.com.au...-1226405120615

19th April - 6.30pm: Allison leaves a Kenmore hairdresser ahead of a real estate conference the following day.

19th April – Baden-Clay children with Allison and Gerard at home: refer to Nads' Post 181 of Thread 26 in which Nads shares the information Mrs Muddles has reported from the bail hearing.

19th April - 8.29pm: Baden-Clay's mobile phone is connected to charger

19th April - 8.45pm: Baden-Clay's phone is removed from the charger

20th April – 12.30am: Baden-Clay used his iPhone to make a FaceTime call of a duration of 1min 23secs to his father Nigel Baden-Clay http://http://www.couriermail.com.au...-1226406384696

20th April - 1.48am: The phone is connected to the charger

20th April - 6.18am: The phone is removed from the charger

20th April - 7.09am: Baden-Clay searches "self-incrimination" on the internet.

20th April - 7.13am: Baden-Clay attempted to access the Queensland Police Service home page.

20th April - 7.15am: Baden-Clay calls 000 to report his wife Allison was missing.

21st April - Baden-Clay attended a doctor to have injuries documented.

22nd April – Afternoon: Gerard Baden-Clay has car accident at the Indooroopilly Shopping Centre. http://http://www.couriermail.com.au...-1226361200946

30th April - Mrs Baden-Clay's body was discovered at Kholo Creek at Anstead, 14km from her home

30th April - Mr Baden-Clay notified the insurer of a potential claim, after his wife's body was recovered but before the identity had been confirmed.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226405994855

14th June - Baden-Clay is charged with his wife's murder.

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TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 07:20 AM
Wow that's very interesting.
I thought I'd read everything about the case but there are some things there I didn't know.

Thanks for posting.


Just watched an absolutely fascinating story on Channel 7s Sunday program about a convicted wife murderer just released from prison after serving 25 years in jail. Still proclaiming his innocence incredibly -Kalajzich's situation and personality traits are similar to GBC -quite chilling really- although this fellow had a couple of attempts at murdering his poor wife before the dirty deed was completed by a hired hit man.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/14263953/did-he-do-it/

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07-22-2012, 07:21 AM
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*** REVISED RUMOUR LIST *** (AS Of JUNE 6, 2012)

Originally Posted by CaseClosed
In order to clarify for some posters:

Here is a list of all the rumours (i.e. not reported by MSM):

- Police were at the family home the night before her disappearance
- Lawyer present when police arrived at family home
- Children were home and said something odd to police
- Victim was on medication for depression
- Victim could not cope at some stage due to depression / needed GBC's help daily
- DV / broken arm / fallen down stairs, etc.
- COD is strangulation / bath water in her lungs
- Body found with missing limbs / chains, etc.
- Fight at a restaurant
- Chains missing from Coles / construction site
- Murder for hire by triads / bikes / loan sharks, etc.
- NBC sitting at bus stop in the middle of the night
- NBC looking frail / could have dementia
- Second or more mistresses
- Pregnant mistress who is no longer pregnant
- Blood found in one of the family cars
- Scratches on GBC's chest / bruises on chest, etc.
- NBC / GBC washing cars Friday morning
- Family home with windows boarded up
- Prado damaged prior to her disappearance
- Evidence of google searches in computers about masking DNA / accessing Life insurance
- Tattooed man with a white van, with long blond hair, wearing gardening gloves seen near Kohlo bridge


THE ABOVE ARE ALL RUMOURS!

EDIT: Last updated June 6, 2012
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pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 07:29 AM
When I first read about GBC's "lightbulb moment" and that the employee who was with him said it didn't happen, I thought how stupid could he be. But then he allegedly has told so many lies that maybe he is truly having trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.

I might be wrong but I specifically mentioned something about the light bulb cut thing several weeks ago on here. I said I really doubted it would happen unless it was a very old type of light bulb - not the newer energy saving type as they don't seem to break as easily. Even with an old one it'd have to be a rarity I think. Anyway, I can't remember who responded except the poster said they felt they did break easily (despite me dropping two on tiles without breakage - I had a gumby day lol) and I'm pretty certain that poster said it was in fact corroborated from a fellow worker that he did cut his hand on the bulb (ie. it was witnessed). At least that's my recollection - might be wrong but it'd be back in the threads somewhere. So I'm glad to now hear what I think is the opposite and it didn't happen. Agreed...how stupid!

bearbear
07-22-2012, 07:30 AM
this snippet from an early daily telegraph article is interesting, maybe allison was a regular or occasional morning walker?
article also shows a happy photo of a plumper gbc and the girls, but sadly also mentions allisons depression, almost as a reason why she hasnt "returned"to her girls.

SHE got up early every morning for a walk but Allison Baden-Clay always made sure she was home by the time her little girls woke.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/daughters-pray-for-missing-mum-allison-baden-clay/story-e6freuy9-1226341324546

Without fail, she was there to make them breakfast and get them ready for school - except last Friday morning.

For the first time, sisters H 10, S 8, and E 5, woke up without their mum.

Some time after she had tucked them up in bed the night before, Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared

itsthevibe
07-22-2012, 07:31 AM
Thanks for these lists guys. I might attempt over the next few days to expand the rumour list and add a few details about whether it was reported by more than one person etc, maybe even categorise them.

But it's good to have the list of facts including info that came out in the bail hearing. We may be able to revivie some discussion.

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 07:33 AM
The newer light bulbs do break a lot more easily if you hold them too firmly, it seems to not take much pressure at all.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 07:39 AM
I'm so glad you said this as it's exactly what I was going to say and what my thoughts have been for some time. The media often does this.

You would have said it better than me, I just blurt it out lol.

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07-22-2012, 07:45 AM
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*** REVISED RUMOUR LIST *** (AS Of JUNE 6, 2012)

Originally Posted by CaseClosed
In order to clarify for some posters:

Here is a list of all the rumours (i.e. not reported by MSM):

- Police were at the family home the night before her disappearance
- Lawyer present when police arrived at family home
- Children were home and said something odd to police
- Victim was on medication for depression
- Victim could not cope at some stage due to depression / needed GBC's help daily
- DV / broken arm / fallen down stairs, etc.
- COD is strangulation / bath water in her lungs
- Body found with missing limbs / chains, etc.
- Fight at a restaurant
- Chains missing from Coles / construction site
- Murder for hire by triads / bikes / loan sharks, etc.
- NBC sitting at bus stop in the middle of the night
- NBC looking frail / could have dementia
- Second or more mistresses
- Pregnant mistress who is no longer pregnant
- Blood found in one of the family cars
- Scratches on GBC's chest / bruises on chest, etc.
- NBC / GBC washing cars Friday morning
- Family home with windows boarded up
- Prado damaged prior to her disappearance
- Evidence of google searches in computers about masking DNA / accessing Life insurance
- Tattooed man with a white van, with long blond hair, wearing gardening gloves seen near Kohlo bridge


THE ABOVE ARE ALL RUMOURS!

EDIT: Last updated June 6, 2012
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Interesting how some of these have now been reported in MSM- blood in family car, scratches on GBC and googling. Makes you wonder how many more may be facts!

possumheart
07-22-2012, 07:45 AM
I couldn't log on for a few hours. House is much tidier now

pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 07:46 AM
You would have said it better than me, I just blurt it out lol.

And that is a good thing as your posts are straight to the point which I like:)

Timmy
07-22-2012, 07:47 AM
I couldn't log on for a few hours. House is much tidier now

I know. They should do that at least once a week!

pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 07:53 AM
The newer light bulbs do break a lot more easily if you hold them too firmly, it seems to not take much pressure at all.

You're the second person who has said that:) I must have a wussy handshake for a girl because I find them quite sturdy lol. Perhaps if i was stronger they'd break. Anyway, I do recall an electrician telling my elderly mother that there were some cheaper brands on the market that were very fragile, prone to overheating and basically exploding due to their inferiority and inability to cope with the energy saving component. No idea what that actually means beyond there must good and dodgy, fragile ones. I might be lucky not to have broken any it seems even though I dropped them! I'll be a "little bit" more careful I think hehe.

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 08:02 AM
I'm not strong at all but and have only had one that broke, but a male friend has had a few break. Then again he mainly replaces the bulbs for me, very high ceilings :waitasec:
I wasn't even putting any pressure at all on the one that broke. Maybe that one was a bit faulty, who knows.

pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 08:05 AM
Thanks for these lists guys. I might attempt over the next few days to expand the rumour list and add a few details about whether it was reported by more than one person etc, maybe even categorise them.

But it's good to have the list of facts including info that came out in the bail hearing. We may be able to revivie some discussion.

Great idea. Someone said it before...about us web sleuths resorting to rehashing stuff as we have little else to do...especially if we're not supposed to discuss rumours etc:). What WILL we do to pass the time? Well, patience is a virtue and all that:) I have closely followed the JonBenet Ramsay case for 14 years! Only 1 arrest and that was a dodgy attention seeker who didn't do it anyway. So for many, many years it's been about rumour, DNA, new DNA screening, death of a parent and lots and lots of other things. Yet, it remains unsolved. So on that note I think I must get to bed because I'm like many - frustrated we don't have more info but I know it's an all in good time thing. I'm glad it's not like JBR - so long and yet little in terms of closure. Night all:)

bearbear
07-22-2012, 08:07 AM
reported by news.com at the bail hearing, so these two can probably come off the rumour list, blood in the car and gbc with scratches, and also evidence of more mistresses and accessing life insurance, both were reported at bail hearing and by msm.
tragic if all the rumours turn out to be true!

- Baden-Clay was the last person to see his wife alive.

- He had injuries to his face that he claimed were from shaving, but a forensic analysis concluded to the contrary. The analysis showed the marks were scratches.

- He told police that he was a heavy sleeper and had no idea whether his wife had come to bed but forensic analysis from his mobile phone showed it had been unplugged from its charger at 8.45pm on April 19 and reconnected at 1.48am on April 20. Police also found evidence of a "face time" call between Baden-Clay and his father Nigel's number shortly after midnight.

- Allison's blood was found in the rear of Baden-Clay's car, consistent with "her body being moved by being placed in the rear of the car"

sorry timmy, didnt mean to repeat what you have already just posted!!!

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 08:07 AM
Have had a few that died within days as well as the ones that broke right away and some were actually not the cheapest brands. They did seem very fragile. Had trouble with the Mirabella brand and also a couple of Philips ones.

Anyway, I do recall an electrician telling my elderly mother that there were some cheaper brands on the market that were very fragile, prone to overheating and basically exploding due to their inferiority.

pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 08:16 AM
Have had a few that died within days as well as the ones that broke right away and some were actually not the cheapest brands. They did seem very fragile. Had trouble with the Mirabella brand and also a couple of Philips ones.

Mirabella were what my mother had and a friend said the Aldi ones burnt out really quickly. I wonder if GBC used Aldi or Mirabella - jeez if he'd known us we could have helped his little cut story:) Being facetious aren't I hehe.

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:18 AM
I might be wrong but I specifically mentioned something about the light bulb cut thing several weeks ago on here. I said I really doubted it would happen unless it was a very old type of light bulb - not the newer energy saving type as they don't seem to break as easily. Even with an old one it'd have to be a rarity I think. Anyway, I can't remember who responded except the poster said they felt they did break easily (despite me dropping two on tiles without breakage - I had a gumby day lol) and I'm pretty certain that poster said it was in fact corroborated from a fellow worker that he did cut his hand on the bulb (ie. it was witnessed). At least that's my recollection - might be wrong but it'd be back in the threads somewhere. So I'm glad to now hear what I think is the opposite and it didn't happen. Agreed...how stupid!

I am sure I read that it was in the prosecution's affidavit filed in the bail hearing as one of the pieces of evidence against him, i.e. that he had lied about how he had an injury on his palm and his '"witness" denied his claim he had cut it on a lightbulb whilst preparing for an open house. I may have seen it on the other forum as someone there had a copy of it and gave quite a few details of its contents.

me 2
07-22-2012, 08:19 AM
Wow that's very interesting.
I thought I'd read everything about the case but there are some things there I didn't know.

Thanks for posting.

Hi Tootsi,
I just watched the same thing, how interesting was the story though? I felt as though I believed him at first but I dont know much about the story.

Thanks

Bayside
07-22-2012, 08:21 AM
I am sure I read that it was in the prosecution's affidavit filed in the bail hearing as one of the pieces of evidence against him, i.e. that he had lied about how he had an injury on his palm and his '"witness" denied his claim he had cut it on a lightbulb whilst preparing for an open house. I may have seen it on the other forum as someone there had a copy of it and gave quite a few details of its contents.

You are correct but I think that is another thing we are not allowed to discuss.

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 08:22 AM
I'm using one of the Aldi ones that we put in a couple of months ago, the first one from there that i've tried and it felt a lot stronger than the Mirabella one.
Time will tell how long it lasts I guess :fence:

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 08:27 AM
Funny that even though the bulbs broke my friend didn't get his hand cut and I didn't either.

I had three Mirabella bulbs go, 2 as soon as I turned them on for the 1st time and 1 lasted three days lol. Thats apart from the ones that broke in our hands, Mirabella and Phiilips.

Mirabella were what my mother had and a friend said the Aldi ones burnt out really quickly. I wonder if GBC used Aldi or Mirabella - jeez if he'd known us we could have helped his little cut story:) Being facetious aren't I hehe.

Thinking
07-22-2012, 08:29 AM
Just to add something completely irrelevant at this stage - I was reminded today that OW played "Louisa" in The Sound of Music production in Toowoomba many years ago. I'd completely forgotten about that. There you go - my contribution for today. We really need more news stories don't we.

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:29 AM
Just to add something completely irrelevant at this stage - I was reminded today that OW played "Louisa" in The Sound of Music production in Toowoomba many years ago. I'd completely forgotten about that. There you go - my contribution for today. We really need more news stories don't we.

We sure do!!

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 08:30 AM
Hi Me 2

I didn't watch it but read what was in the link. I did notice you can watch it there online and I might do that tomorrow.

Hi Tootsi,
I just watched the same thing, how interesting was the story though? I felt as though I believed him at first but I dont know much about the story.

Thanks

bearbear
07-22-2012, 08:33 AM
more from the bail hearing mentioning numerous lovers......

HE allegedly called himself Bruce Overland and promised he would come to her a free man by July 1.

But Toni McHugh knew him as Gerard Baden-Clay - her long-time colleague and lover who wanted to free himself from his wife and his life so they could be together.

What she did not know, until police told her, was that Baden-Clay was also allegedly having affairs with two other women, police have claimed in documents tendered in opposition to his bail application yesterday.

According to those same court documents, Baden-Clay had severe financial problems and the string of mistresses

http://www.news.com.au/national/gerard-baden-clay-conducting-ongoing-affair-at-time-of-wife-allisons-death-was-in-debt-and-had-inquired-about-her-life-in

possumheart
07-22-2012, 08:37 AM
Just to add something completely irrelevant at this stage - I was reminded today that OW played "Louisa" in The Sound of Music production in Toowoomba many years ago. I'd completely forgotten about that. There you go - my contribution for today. We really need more news stories don't we.
@ fairholme?

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 08:40 AM
This will be reaching a bit and probably off topic but she has the same name
as the mother Olivia Walton in The Waltons tv series.

And in the original movie that the TV Series was based on, Spencer's Mountain,
the John Boy character was called Clayboy or Clay-Boy.

I hope I don't get sent to the naughty corner :angel:

Just to add something completely irrelevant at this stage - I was reminded today that OW played "Louisa" in The Sound of Music production in Toowoomba many years ago. I'd completely forgotten about that. There you go - my contribution for today. We really need more news stories don't we.

possumheart
07-22-2012, 08:44 AM
this will be reaching a bit and probably off topic but she has the same name
as the mother olivia walton in the waltons tv series.

And in the original movie that the tv series was based on, spencer's mountain,
the john boy character was called clayboy or clay-boy.

I hope i don't get sent to the naughty corner :angel:

f r e a k y

J-Diggety
07-22-2012, 08:45 AM
This will be reaching a bit and probably off topic but she has the same name
as the mother Olivia Walton in The Waltons tv series.

And in the original movie that the TV Series was based on, Spencer's Mountain,
the John Boy character was called Clayboy or Clay-Boy.

I hope I don't get sent to the naughty corner :angel:

I have to giggle at the longest drawn bow ever


Gold, very clever, but Gold!!

pulpfiction
07-22-2012, 08:55 AM
HE allegedly called himself Bruce Overland and promised he would come to her a free man by July 1.

But Toni McHugh knew him as Gerard Baden-Clay

What she did not know, until police told her, was that Baden-Clay was also allegedly having affairs with two other women.

Can't sleep..so here's my new thought for the day. It's a 'little bit' silly I confess but humour will save us - not mine perhaps though:) So...

I've always thought Bruce Overland was such a daggy aka to have. Sounds so un-sexy to use with a mistress - like one of the Leyland Brothers uncles!

If he used Bruce Overland with TM, I wonder what/if he used other aliases with the other alleged mistresses? Hmmm...lots of silly names spring to mind. Surely not Dirk Diggler - bahahaha:) All jokes aside, there are MANY men (and women) who have other mobiles and sim cards to use with their mistresses. It's possible if they found BO (hehe) the QPS might have other phone/email evidence. I bet he wasn't using the home bigpond or Optus account to correspond with these women - nor his mobile as it'd be easy to check. Let's face it, he had a lot going on that I bet he wanted to hide.

Does anyone know how/when Allison found out about TM I wonder? Just curious

Thinking
07-22-2012, 09:02 AM
@ fairholme?

Toowoomba Philharmonic Society possum, I don't think it exists any more. Kind of like the Choral Society which I think is still around. It would have been when she was at fairholme though.

Woof
07-22-2012, 09:02 AM
After I talked with my dad today about the lowdown on caterpillars from the scientific point of view I ended up at the town library and what should be on the book cart in front of me - a book for five year olds about caterpillars. Nuff said.

A very hungry one?

TootsieFootsie
07-22-2012, 09:10 AM
That story has holes all through it :floorlaugh:

Woof
07-22-2012, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rational
Posted on 17 May 1.20 pm

A running chronology of what I think we know definitely (ie that can be substantiated by either the police, public statements by friends and or other links)
Please feel free to add subtract or correct.

April 19
-GBC was due to attend Kenmore CC meeting at 7 am. No conformation if he attended.
-around 9 am GBCmade purchase at chemist. Chemist made statement to police
-Cross country race atchildren's school at which both GBCand ABCattended
- ABC goes to hairdresser stating that she has the night off as children are at sleepover 'hairdresser interviewed by police.
- ABC speaks to best friend over phone and says she will drop in on Friday after Pathways conference
-10 pm Argument overheard by neighbours, scream and muffled scream heard, dog barking loudly

Snip



We need to get rid of the Pathways conference rumour. Wasn't it released in the Bail hearing that ABC was to attend a Real Estate conference on the Friday, and that TM was to be there as well? I'm sure I read that somewhere on MSM. Does anyone have a link?

Woof
07-22-2012, 09:17 AM
this snippet from an early daily telegraph article is interesting, maybe allison was a regular or occasional morning walker?
article also shows a happy photo of a plumper gbc and the girls, but sadly also mentions allisons depression, almost as a reason why she hasnt "returned"to her girls.

SHE got up early every morning for a walk but Allison Baden-Clay always made sure she was home by the time her little girls woke.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/daughters-pray-for-missing-mum-allison-baden-clay/story-e6freuy9-1226341324546

Without fail, she was there to make them breakfast and get them ready for school - except last Friday morning.

For the first time, sisters H 10, S 8, and E 5, woke up without their mum.

Some time after she had tucked them up in bed the night before, Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared

Prosecution said her family told them she was not the sort to walk much.

When I read this article it reads like poetic licence. Maybe that is just me, but it's all wishy washy. No hard fact. Someone just romanticising the situation after hearing GBC say that she 'went for a walk'.

Thanks for the link though.

bearbear
07-22-2012, 09:18 AM
Can't sleep..so here's my new thought for the day. It's a 'little bit' silly I confess but humour will save us - not mine perhaps though:) So...

I've always thought Bruce Overland was such a daggy aka to have. Sounds so un-sexy to use with a mistress - like one of the Leyland Brothers uncles!

If he used Bruce Overland with TM, I wonder what/if he used other aliases with the other alleged mistresses? Hmmm...lots of silly names spring to mind. Surely not Dirk Diggler - bahahaha:) All jokes aside, there are MANY men (and women) who have other mobiles and sim cards to use with their mistresses. It's possible if they found BO (hehe) the QPS might have other phone/email evidence. I bet he wasn't using the home bigpond or Optus account to correspond with these women - nor his mobile as it'd be easy to check. Let's face it, he had a lot going on that I bet he wanted to hide.

Does anyone know how/when Allison found out about TM I wonder? Just curious

ha ha, yes, i agree! a very unsexy alias! maybe it was a private joke between them, maybe he giggled and called out that name as he hovered over her about to land? creepy!
i think someone rumoured at the beginning that allison found out it was ongoing about 6 months before her death, cant remember who said it, think it was the same person who knew about the councelling

Woof
07-22-2012, 09:24 AM
was just looking at his FB page. 360 people now....I'm surprised at these people. I can understand his family but why are the other's there. They are like voyeurs. I would be too embarrassed to be seen.

Watching and waiting. But there's no action on the pages of the family members I know. It's like the whole gang have an agreement to shut up. Can't blame them though.

Woof
07-22-2012, 09:26 AM
ha ha, yes, i agree! a very unsexy alias! maybe it was a private joke between them, maybe he giggled and called out that name as he hovered over her about to land? creepy!
i think someone rumoured at the beginning that allison found out it was ongoing about 6 months before her death, cant remember who said it, think it was the same person who knew about the councelling

I think that sounds right. TM was sacked and the relationship suposedly ended, but three months later they started up again. ABC wrote in her diary about how badly it affected her.

itsthevibe
07-22-2012, 09:29 AM
ha ha, yes, i agree! a very unsexy alias! maybe it was a private joke between them, maybe he giggled and called out that name as he hovered over her about to land? creepy!
i think someone rumoured at the beginning that allison found out it was ongoing about 6 months before her death, cant remember who said it, think it was the same person who knew about the councelling

I thought that the rumour posted at the time said that Allison found out about the affair the first time at the end of the year, (not sure if it was 2010 or 2011 though) but was told it was being ended, then only recently found out it had been resumed. (or maybe it never actually ended).

Woof
07-22-2012, 09:30 AM
http://www.news.com.au/national/gerard-baden-clay-conducting-ongoing-affair-at-time-of-wife-allisons-death-was-in-debt-and-had-inquired-about-her-life-insurance-police-affidavits-lodged-in-court-claim/story-e6frfkvr-1226406037780

This story covers the RE conference (not pathways), the walk theory, and also confirms that he and TM broke up in Sept 11.

bearbear
07-22-2012, 09:31 AM
Prosecution said her family told them she was not the sort to walk much.

When I read this article it reads like poetic licence. Maybe that is just me, but it's all wishy washy. No hard fact. Someone just romanticising the situation after hearing GBC say that she 'went for a walk'.

Thanks for the link though.

yes, i agree, i was going to say that. it sounds like a flowery romantic little tale to paint a picture of a perfect little family!
although i did read or see on tv in earlier reports, a neighbour was talking about how she used to see allison out walking past her place sometimes, but never spoke to her, and how she was a lovely girl.
maybe she went through a get fit phase, but like you say, those close to her seem to think she wasnt that athletic any more.

bearbear
07-22-2012, 09:44 AM
I thought that the rumour posted at the time said that Allison found out about the affair the first time at the end of the year, (not sure if it was 2010 or 2011 though) but was told it was being ended, then only recently found out it had been resumed. (or maybe it never actually ended).

ill try to find the post tomorrow.
not sure if it was msm or a poster on here, but i felt sure allison had found out about it for awhile and think the affair hadnt actually ended.
but you could be right, it may have been recently?

itsthevibe
07-22-2012, 09:48 AM
ill try to find the post tomorrow.
not sure if it was msm or a poster on here, but i felt sure allison had found out about it for awhile and think the affair hadnt actually ended.
but you could be right, it may have been recently?

You could be right now that I come to think of it. I had in my mind that the end of the year was relevant, either November or December, so maybe it was then. But she had found out previously, again not sure when, and then TM left C21 and Allison was told the affair had ended.

whitechapel
07-22-2012, 09:51 AM
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KG1
07-22-2012, 10:13 AM
Another interesting link which fits in with an earlier link for Channel 7 program.

http://www.queanbeyanage.com.au/news/national/national/general/wife-killer-tangled-in-own-web/2435695.aspx?storypage=0

bearbear
07-22-2012, 10:14 AM
i just had a browse on the aussie crooks site, i got sidetracked trying to find out when allison found out about the affair still going on, and read that the person who reported seeing the blue and white cars actually took down the numbers and gave to police. i guess its a rumour but if anyones interested, its about 31 posts down by someone called kenmore mum. actually the whole page is quite interesting

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/05/20/allison-baden-clays-husband-gerard-had-an-affairbut-we-all-knew-that/

bearbear
07-22-2012, 10:19 AM
You could be right now that I come to think of it. I had in my mind that the end of the year was relevant, either November or December, so maybe it was then. But she had found out previously, again not sure when, and then TM left C21 and Allison was told the affair had ended.

yes, gbc told everyone at the office allison had found out and tm left, but then i think she found out it was still happening awhile after that. wish the original poster could step in for a moment and confirm or deny! lots of the earlier posters seem to have left, which is a shame.

UnfoldingTruth
07-22-2012, 10:35 AM
Just watched an absolutely fascinating story on Channel 7s Sunday program about a convicted wife murderer just released from prison after serving 25 years in jail. Still proclaiming his innocence incredibly -Kalajzich's situation and personality traits are similar to GBC -quite chilling really- although this fellow had a couple of attempts at murdering his poor wife before the dirty deed was completed by a hired hit man.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/14263953/did-he-do-it/


I also saw that story and thought how eerily similar it sounded to Allisons murder and to GBC. The whole hitman story had me thinking about previous thoughts and posters regarding this theory.(not saying it is the case, just found it really interesting)

Bayside
07-22-2012, 10:43 AM
i just had a browse on the aussie crooks site, i got sidetracked trying to find out when allison found out about the affair still going on, and read that the person who reported seeing the blue and white cars actually took down the numbers and gave to police. i guess its a rumour but if anyones interested, its about 31 posts down by someone called kenmore mum. actually the whole page is quite interesting

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/05/20/allison-baden-clays-husband-gerard-had-an-affairbut-we-all-knew-that/

There is a Doc Watson over there too and they even sound like they write the same. i wonder if Doc knows she has a twin over there haha.

bearbear
07-22-2012, 11:08 AM
There is a Doc Watson over there too and they even sound like they write the same. i wonder if Doc knows she has a twin over there haha.

yes!! i thought it was our doc watson! sounds exactly like him!
i have just been browsing further there and found this post about the chains, yes, i know, not the chains again! but if you keep reading further down their page, this person posts more interesting info/gossip. hope im allowed to put this here?

Take Exception on May 23, 2012 at 9:46 am said


http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/05/20/allison-baden-clays-husband-gerard-had-an-affairbut-we-all-knew-that/

Kimster
07-22-2012, 11:37 AM
Clarifying what to do about rumors - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Please review this no discussion thread for rumor clarification.

:cheers:

littlethings
07-22-2012, 03:36 PM
WHO REALLY PACKED THE LUNCHES? A busy mum with a big day ahead of her would have packed the lunches the night before. Allison had, had her hair done for the conference, the conference had an early start, she was busy Thursday planning for Friday...there would be little time to get anything done in the morning so there would be lots to get done in the mean time and lunches would have been a part of that wouldn't it?
WHY SEND A TEXT ABOUT THE LUNCHES? I suppose whoever sent the text must have thought it worth mentioning. If the sender thought it was relevant and wanted it known then it must be relevant...but how?
WERE THE LUNCHES PACKED IN GLAD WRAP? Glad Wrap is a plastic used to keep air out. It can be used in all sorts of manner. It also has a sharp serrated edge quite capable of causing a cut to the palm of the hand if you apply force to the box.
I suppose if it was mentioned in a text message and then brought up at a later date,( by something like an investigation,) you could always say," Öh yes, but I did pack the lunches, Remember, I sent it in that text"
Just me, raving on. Not fact.

Crime and punishment
07-22-2012, 05:14 PM
I also saw that story and thought how eerily similar it sounded to Allisons murder and to GBC. The whole hitman story had me thinking about previous thoughts and posters regarding this theory.(not saying it is the case, just found it really interesting)
I agree UT-this statement by QC John Slattery could also apply to GBC...
A 1995 inquiry into Kalajzich’s conviction reached a damning conclusion, with QC John Slattery stating that “the very traits which made [Kalajzich] a successful businessman were also his undoing,” and that he “used people for his own ends in a calculated and considered way” and sought to blame many others for his predicament.

Lu-Lu
07-22-2012, 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crime and punishment
Just watched an absolutely fascinating story on Channel 7s Sunday program about a convicted wife murderer just released from prison after serving 25 years in jail. Still proclaiming his innocence incredibly -Kalajzich's situation and personality traits are similar to GBC -quite chilling really- although this fellow had a couple of attempts at murdering his poor wife before the dirty deed was completed by a hired hit man.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nigh.../did-he-do-it/
I also saw that story and thought how eerily similar it sounded to Allisons murder and to GBC. The whole hitman story had me thinking about previous thoughts and posters regarding this theory.(not saying it is the case, just found it really interesting)

I watched that also and found it really interesting. Particularly the part when he was asked to describe Megan. He was very detached, and described her in a very factual way. Didn't say she was beautiful, or that he loved her at all. :( Yet, he did say that he loved his mistress.

Also intriguing is the fact that if this hired killer was trying to kill both of them, why didn't he try again to kill Kalajzich? He made a number of attempts on Megan until he accomplished his task. Yet never made another attempt on Kalajzich. Doesn't add up.

Both Kalajzich and GBC are noticeably quiet on finding the "real" killer of their wives respectively. Speaks volumes, doesn't it..?

I dare say in 25-30 years we'll be seeing GBC interviewed after he finally is released, and he'll still be declaring his innocence.

linette
07-22-2012, 05:35 PM
Hi. Trying to catch up afteer the weekend... wow the last one was a very small thread, only 36 pages?

Anyway, at 11.30 pm last night the crime show on Channel 7 had a case where there were 5 bodies {serial killer} and 2 were found in water. They said that because they had been in water for so long {1 had been missing for 16 days, the other a week or so longer} there was no DNA or other helpful evidence on the bodies. It said it's the case even more so when they've been in flowing water. So there was nothing on their bodies that was found helpful.
There seems to be differing opinions on this type of thing.

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 05:43 PM
There is a Doc Watson over there too and they even sound like they write the same. i wonder if Doc knows she has a twin over there haha.

Morning all :) Yes, somebody else mentioned the other Doc Watson - but I can assure you that it is NOT me. And I'm a "he" not a "she", by the way.. :blushing:

Given that the name Dr Watson was taken from the stories of the most famous sleuth of all time, Sherlock Holmes, I was surprised that the nick wasn't taken when I registered for here. And given that I am indeed a real quack, and verified as such, I thought the name was perfect for me.

So the other one must be an impostor - a wannabe... ;)

I'm not on any other site, so you have me all to yourselves! :please:

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 05:50 PM
Hi. Trying to catch up afteer the weekend... wow the last one was a very small thread, only 36 pages?

Anyway, at 11.30 pm last night the crime show on Channel 7 had a case where there were 5 bodies {serial killer} and 2 were found in water. They said that because they had been in water for so long {1 had been missing for 16 days, the other a week or so longer} there was no DNA or other helpful evidence on the bodies. It said it's the case even more so when they've been in flowing water. So there was nothing on their bodies that was found helpful.
There seems to be differing opinions on this type of thing.

Well, being a surgeon and not a forensic pathologist, I would be VERY surprised if there were "no DNA". DNA can be found even on skeletons that have been buried for decades. And bodies that have been in water actually decompose more slowly than those left above ground in the open air. Especially in cool water. Bodies buried in the ground decompose the most slowly.

I didn't see the programme, so I don't know what context was used for those claims, but I'm sure that DNA would be plentiful. Heavens above - they can even find DNA on the licked gum of a stamp - another source of potential evidence spoiled by self-adhesive stamps!

ollijack
07-22-2012, 06:02 PM
http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nigh.../did-he-do-it/


I watched that also and found it really interesting. Particularly the part when he was asked to describe Megan. He was very detached, and described her in a very factual way. Didn't say she was beautiful, or that he loved her at all. :( Yet, he did say that he loved his mistress.

Also intriguing is the fact that if this hired killer was trying to kill both of them, why didn't he try again to kill Kalajzich? He made a number of attempts on Megan until he accomplished his task. Yet never made another attempt on Kalajzich. Doesn't add up.

Both Kalajzich and GBC are noticeably quiet on finding the "real" killer of their wives respectively. Speaks volumes, doesn't it..?

I dare say in 25-30 years we'll be seeing GBC interviewed after he finally is released, and he'll still be declaring his innocence.




Has anyone seen a movie starring the gorgeous Colin Friels as the main detective ? Based on Kalajzich. It was brilliant. It could be about GBCS

Maigret
07-22-2012, 06:12 PM
Has anyone seen a movie starring the gorgeous Colin Friels as the main detective ? Based on Kalajzich. It was brilliant. It could be about GBCS

My Husband, My Killer made in 2001
Haven't seen it but will now look for it :)

Gemini Girl
07-22-2012, 06:49 PM
Is Lloyd Rayney charged with interfering with a corpse?

Hi Maigret

I will check this out with the Sandgropers on the Corryn Rayney thread and get back to you

:maddening:

JMO MOO

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07-22-2012, 07:42 PM
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:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: that is so funny and so true xxxxx

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 08:05 PM
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: that is so funny and so true xxxxx


LOL. Love it, very true. Except for the last few days. First time I've been bored a little bit for months but I guess I'll be ok.
: )

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 08:06 PM
I see new names lurking. Maybe you guys can add something?

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:06 PM
i just had a browse on the aussie crooks site, i got sidetracked trying to find out when allison found out about the affair still going on, and read that the person who reported seeing the blue and white cars actually took down the numbers and gave to police. i guess its a rumour but if anyones interested, its about 31 posts down by someone called kenmore mum. actually the whole page is quite interesting

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/05/20/allison-baden-clays-husband-gerard-had-an-affairbut-we-all-knew-that/

I wonder if QPS would have been asking other similar car owners their whereabouts to exclude the possibility it was their car sighted, if they already had credible evidence of the number plates of the sighted cars? I think that would be unlikely but maybe just thorough investigation practice. Although thinking about it further, the involved car/s must have been driving all over the place that night and if only one witness took down a number plate at a certain location , the QPS would need to exclude other similar cars from a number of locations.

PS. I would think that such critical evidence of a number plate being taken at a location near to where Allison was found would have been in the prosecutions bail hearing affidavit. Not that I know if it wasn't as I haven't read it, but I haven't heard that information mentioned anywhere.

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 08:10 PM
I wonder if QPS would have been asking other similar car owners their whereabouts to exclude the possibility it was their car sighted, if they already had credible evidence of the number plates of the sighted cars? I think that would be unlikely but maybe just thorough investigation practice. Although thinking about it further, the involved car/s must have been driving all over the place that night and if only one witness took down a number plate at a certain location , the QPS would need to exclude other similar cars from a number of locations.



We do have a member here who verified she was contacted by QPS as she drives a similar car to the Captiva.

Aussie_expat.sg
07-22-2012, 08:11 PM
Morning all :) Yes, somebody else mentioned the other Doc Watson - but I can assure you that it is NOT me. And I'm a "he" not a "she", by the way.. :blushing:

Given that the name Dr Watson was taken from the stories of the most famous sleuth of all time, Sherlock Holmes, I was surprised that the nick wasn't taken when I registered for here. And given that I am indeed a real quack, and verified as such, I thought the name was perfect for me.

So the other one must be an impostor - a wannabe... ;)

I'm not on any other site, so you have me all to yourselves! :please:

Doc, we are very glad to have you on our site. I personally appreciate your no nonsense style. I like people who are straight forward. I like my Doctors to be the same (not as common where I'm living right now I'm afraid).

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:17 PM
We do have a member here who verified she was contacted by QPS as she drives a similar car to the Captiva.

That's my point CC. We know QPS were trying to exclude other similar vehicles as they did contact other car owners. But it would be interesting to know what locations QPS asked those people about. Can any of those car owners if here on websleuths help to answer this please.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 08:18 PM
Morning all :) Yes, somebody else mentioned the other Doc Watson - but I can assure you that it is NOT me. And I'm a "he" not a "she", by the way.. :blushing:

Given that the name Dr Watson was taken from the stories of the most famous sleuth of all time, Sherlock Holmes, I was surprised that the nick wasn't taken when I registered for here. And given that I am indeed a real quack, and verified as such, I thought the name was perfect for me.

So the other one must be an impostor - a wannabe... ;)

I'm not on any other site, so you have me all to yourselves! :please:

Well I hear we are all supposed to have our twin out there someplace, that might be yours lol.

Sorry I never knew you were a guy, I always got female vibes haha .. mind you I have a fat dude as my avatar lol.

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Well, being a surgeon and not a forensic pathologist, I would be VERY surprised if there were "no DNA". DNA can be found even on skeletons that have been buried for decades. And bodies that have been in water actually decompose more slowly than those left above ground in the open air. Especially in cool water. Bodies buried in the ground decompose the most slowly.

I didn't see the programme, so I don't know what context was used for those claims, but I'm sure that DNA would be plentiful. Heavens above - they can even find DNA on the licked gum of a stamp - another source of potential evidence spoiled by self-adhesive stamps!

Doc are you referring to the deceased persons DNA or any other person's ( say the killer's) DNA?

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:23 PM
WHO REALLY PACKED THE LUNCHES? A busy mum with a big day ahead of her would have packed the lunches the night before. Allison had, had her hair done for the conference, the conference had an early start, she was busy Thursday planning for Friday...there would be little time to get anything done in the morning so there would be lots to get done in the mean time and lunches would have been a part of that wouldn't it?
WHY SEND A TEXT ABOUT THE LUNCHES? I suppose whoever sent the text must have thought it worth mentioning. If the sender thought it was relevant and wanted it known then it must be relevant...but how?
WERE THE LUNCHES PACKED IN GLAD WRAP? Glad Wrap is a plastic used to keep air out. It can be used in all sorts of manner. It also has a sharp serrated edge quite capable of causing a cut to the palm of the hand if you apply force to the box.
I suppose if it was mentioned in a text message and then brought up at a later date,( by something like an investigation,) you could always say," Öh yes, but I did pack the lunches, Remember, I sent it in that text"
Just me, raving on. Not fact.

I bet the girls could tell if their lunches were packed by mummy or daddy that day.

Edit. Now telling the police that he cut his hand on the serrated glad wrap box edge would have been a credible explanation for the cut to his palm though they would have tested the serrations and not found any of his skin or blood and he would have been caught out lying yet again!

Maigret
07-22-2012, 08:26 PM
I bet the girls could tell if their lunches were packed by mummy or daddy that day.

Ain't that the truth :)

LauraMars
07-22-2012, 08:27 PM
Well I hear we are all supposed to have our twin out there someplace, that might be yours lol.

Sorry I never knew you were a guy, I always got female vibes haha .. mind you I am have a fat dude as my avatar lol.

Lol Bayside, I always thought Doc was a she too, but easy mistake to make I guess. I know I've sometimes been mistaken for a man online, and I am definitely not a man lol.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 08:36 PM
Lol Bayside, I always thought Doc was a she too, but easy mistake to make I guess. I know I've sometimes been taken for a man online, and I am definitely not a man lol.

My husband is a occasional poster on a boating forum and we know a lot of the people there in real life. I will read him posts sometimes and he will get me to reply for him since I am already on there.

I type it word for word what he wants me to say and people always know its me, well women do, men not so much LOLOL.

marlywings
07-22-2012, 08:37 PM
Lol Bayside, I always thought Doc was a she too, but easy mistake to make I guess. I know I've sometimes been taken for a man online, and I am definitely not a man lol.

Always thought Doc was a male, he's mentioned his wife a couple of times I think. Also I'm not sure there'd be too many female thoracic/vascular surgeons in Bris...he's also verified with WS.

marlywings
07-22-2012, 08:40 PM
That's my point CC. We know QPS were trying to exclude other similar vehicles as they did contact other car owners. But it would be interesting to know what locations QPS asked those people about. Can any of those car owners if here on websleuths help to answer this please.

Report about police contacting other Captiva car owners...

Drivers with cars similar to Gerard Baden-Clay quizzed in hunt for wife Allison's murderer

May 28, 2012

POLICE are questioning western suburbs residents with cars similar to those driven by Gerard Baden-Clay about their movements on the night the real-estate identity's wife disappeared.

The Courier-Mail understands one local woman, who owns a silver Holden Captiva, was questioned at the weekend on whether she had driven through the Kenmore roundabout at the intersection of Moggill and Brookfield roads on Thursday, April 19 - the night Mrs Baden-Clay was last seen alive.

In an apparent bid to clarify reported sightings and rule out various vehicles in the area, the woman was also asked whether she had recently pulled her car over to the side of Mt Crosby Rd.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/drivers-with-cars-similar-to-gerard-baden-clay-quizzed-in-hunt-for-wife-allisons-murderer/story-e6freoof-1226368676196

alioop
07-22-2012, 08:42 PM
Report about police contacting other Captiva car owners...

Drivers with cars similar to Gerard Baden-Clay quizzed in hunt for wife Allison's murderer

May 28, 2012

POLICE are questioning western suburbs residents with cars similar to those driven by Gerard Baden-Clay about their movements on the night the real-estate identity's wife disappeared.

The Courier-Mail understands one local woman, who owns a silver Holden Captiva, was questioned at the weekend on whether she had driven through the Kenmore roundabout at the intersection of Moggill and Brookfield roads on Thursday, April 19 - the night Mrs Baden-Clay was last seen alive.

In an apparent bid to clarify reported sightings and rule out various vehicles in the area, the woman was also asked whether she had recently pulled her car over to the side of Mt Crosby Rd.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/drivers-with-cars-similar-to-gerard-baden-clay-quizzed-in-hunt-for-wife-allisons-murderer/story-e6freoof-1226368676196

Marly you are amazing how you find these links. Thanks

squizzey1
07-22-2012, 08:44 PM
Well I hear we are all supposed to have our twin out there someplace, that might be yours lol.

Sorry I never knew you were a guy, I always got female vibes haha .. mind you I have a fat dude as my avatar lol.
guess what i really do have a twin in real life ha ha

Bayside
07-22-2012, 08:45 PM
Always thought Doc was a male, he's mentioned his wife a couple of times I think. Also I'm not sure there'd be too many female thoracic/vascular surgeons in Bris...he's also verified with WS.

I never noticed the wife ref but I dont read all the posts. I guess there would be less female than male surgeons.

I only know one thoracic/vascular surgeon in real life and thankfully not because I need him (I havent been to a doc in 12 years) but he is a boating community friend.

squizzey1
07-22-2012, 08:46 PM
My husband is a occasional poster on a boating forum and we know a lot of the people there in real life. I will read him posts sometimes and he will get me to reply for him since I am already on there.

I type it word for word what he wants me to say and people always know its me, well women do, men not so much LOLOL.
hope thats not him in the boat:floorlaugh:

Bayside
07-22-2012, 08:58 PM
hope thats not him in the boat:floorlaugh:

Why... you got something against MAN boobies lol.

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 09:07 PM
Doc are you referring to the deceased persons DNA or any other person's ( say the killer's) DNA?

Ahh - now I see the ambiguity. Sorry - I was referring to the deceased person's DNA. It didn't occur to me that the offender's DNA was what was being referred to. That makes sense, if talking about skin scrapings under nails, etc etc. Yes - that may well be all washed away. But not the deceased person's DNA.

Duh..! Sorry - I shouldn't jump to conclusions!
:blushing:

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 09:08 PM
Well I hear we are all supposed to have our twin out there someplace, that might be yours lol.

Sorry I never knew you were a guy, I always got female vibes haha .. mind you I have a fat dude as my avatar lol.

I won't even suggest for a moment that some people may think the avatar is you... ;) Just kidding, just kidding!! :floorlaugh:

ollijack
07-22-2012, 09:13 PM
Ahh - now I see the ambiguity. Sorry - I was referring to the deceased person's DNA. It didn't occur to me that the offender's DNA was what was being referred to. That makes sense, if talking about skin scrapings under nails, etc etc. Yes - that may well be all washed away. But not the deceased person's DNA.

Duh..! Sorry - I shouldn't jump to conclusions!
:blushing:


oh you dear old pair..:floorlaugh: that was cute....like an old married couple...for some reason...OT sorry....wish they would arrest that bloody 2nd and or 3rd person

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 09:14 PM
Lol Bayside, I always thought Doc was a she too, but easy mistake to make I guess. I know I've sometimes been mistaken for a man online, and I am definitely not a man lol.

Hmmm - must be my accent and the high voice in which I post... ;)

Nope - definitely a "he", and no man boobs either. Actually, not too many "she"s in my field of surgery - took 6 years of undergrad, plus 12 years of post-grad, and then a career working 14-18 hours a day. Plus on call 24/7.

Not all that compatible with "she"s - not suggesting for a minute that "she"s don't have the stamina, but just that they seem to be much better at life balance, and have other things in life that they regard as at least as important as work. We blokes much less so.

My generalisation: women can multitask and do many things at once. Men can only do one thing at a time but extremely well and with 110% focus. Try distracting a bloke from the TV and you will know what I mean.... ;)

ollijack
07-22-2012, 09:16 PM
guess what i really do have a twin in real life ha ha


Now there we go....a perfect solution for that twit who wore mustard.....an identical twin....who was given away at birth :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

alioop
07-22-2012, 09:20 PM
Ahh - now I see the ambiguity. Sorry - I was referring to the deceased person's DNA. It didn't occur to me that the offender's DNA was what was being referred to. That makes sense, if talking about skin scrapings under nails, etc etc. Yes - that may well be all washed away. But not the deceased person's DNA.

Duh..! Sorry - I shouldn't jump to conclusions!
:blushing:

Thanks Doc for clarifying that. I agree that the killer's DNA would be unlikely to be found on Allison in the circumstances. If there was by chance any of GBC's DNA on her then it may not be helpful anyway as he was her husband, unless of course it was found under her fingernails. On that point I wonder if they took swabs of his scratches to see if there was any of Allison's DNA in them. No doubt he would have washed them thoroughly prior to calling the police. Do you know if her DNA could possibly survived washing his scratches. Could it get deep into the skin?

ollijack
07-22-2012, 09:22 PM
Wow, DrWatson...just looked up thoracic/vascular surgery....that is amazing....what a wonderful gift you have xxxxx

Aussie_expat.sg
07-22-2012, 09:24 PM
My Husband, My Killer made in 2001
Haven't seen it but will now look for it :)

I tried Maigret, without success
see response from Sanity:
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, the telemovie My Husband, My Killer was never released for commercial distribution or sale. Until such time as a distributor gains the rights to manufacture and distribute this movie, we will be unable to order and sell it either online or in our stores.

I’m sorry that I don’t have better news in this regard. Please do not hesitate to contact us again if we can assist you further.

Kind Regards,

Justin Burton
Sanity Online Customer Service

squizzey1
07-22-2012, 09:26 PM
Now there we go....a perfect solution for that twit who wore mustard.....an identical twin....who was given away at birth :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
what him or me given away .posted last week i was having my mums 90th b'day lolol

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 09:32 PM
Do you know if her DNA could possibly survived washing his scratches. Could it get deep into the skin?

Not sure, but I think it would be doubtful. Not too much DNA on one's own nails, unless you scratched yourself first. And if GBC washed his scratches, especially with something like iodine/Betadine, then I suspect that there would be very little DNA apart from his own in the scratches.

But, I'm not a forensic scientist, I hasten to add - so my knowledge of matters like that is similar to anyone else's, but perhaps with slightly more medical background knowledge.

littlethings
07-22-2012, 09:32 PM
I don't know why the police didn't believe GBC. What on earth could he have said to cast doubt in their minds?
When did you last see your wife?.... I last saw my wife when she went for a walk.
When did she go for a walk?... Well I don't know if she went for a walk.
But you just said she went for a walk?....Oh well, yes, she did go for a walk but I don't know when.
How do you know that she went for a walk?.....I just know.
Which way did she go?.....I think she went that way.
Which way did she go?....I think she went this way.
Which way did she go?....She went her favorite way.
Which way did she go?....I haven't got a clue.
When did you last see your wife?....The last time I saw my wife she was sitting on the lounge watching the footy show,just before she went for a walk.
Are you having an affair with another woman....No, definitely NOT!
Have you ever had an affair with another woman? .....Yes, but it's over, it's finished.
Are you sure it's over?......Yes, most certainly...believe me it's well and truly over.
We have spoken to this woman and she says it's ongoing?....Oh yes well I could be wrong, it might not be over. Oh yes, now I remember. Yes I am still seeing her. Sorry, I misunderstood the question.
Were you going to leave your wife for this other woman?......No. That's absurd.
The other woman says you were going to leave your wife in July? Oh, Yes, well that's in July, it's only April. I thought you meant am I going to leave my wife now, in April. I wish you'd be more specific with your questions.
But you were going to leave her in July?.....I can't remember.
What are the marks on your face? Oh I was using an old shaver.
What is the mark on your hand? ....Cut it on a light bulb.
What are the marks on your torso?.....Got attacked by a caterpillar.
Do you have any bruising? Bruising that may have taken place in a struggle?.....No, the bruising hasn't come out yet. It might come out later, after I crash the car. Everybody get's bruising when they crash a car.
Are you intending to crash a car?.... Absolutely not!
Is there anything we should know about? Was there an argument? Was there a struggle?....Oh yes, a very big struggle.
What do you mean?.....Well it was a very big caterpillar!
You say you slept like a log until 6am, is that correct?....Yep, slept like a baby.
Did you use your phone at all during the night?.....Definitely not! I just told you I was asleep all night.
Yes, but we have evidence that you made a face time call in the middle of the night?.....How did you get that information, i didn't think you could trace those calls.
Yes, well you can trace the calls and a call was made from your phone, can you explain that?.....Of course I can explain it...um...just give me a minute....um.

OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE, WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE. Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)
not fact, just my opinion.

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 09:34 PM
Brilliant and hilarious :floorlaugh:

Maigret
07-22-2012, 09:39 PM
Absolutely brilliant still laughing here
Just showed it to my son he's cracking up too

Gemini Girl
07-22-2012, 09:42 PM
Littlethings, you have made my day!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

JMO MOO

(wipes away tears)

Mani
07-22-2012, 09:44 PM
Well here you go Marly - stats on cardiothoracic surgeons in Australia.
http://www.ahwo.gov.au/documents/Publications/2001/The%20cardiothoracic%20surgery%20workforce%20in%20 Australia.pdf

There are 3 females according to their report and the hours worked are long, as one would suppose but the doc would know all about this.......MOO

possumheart
07-22-2012, 09:44 PM
I don't know why the police didn't believe GBC. What on earth could he have said to cast doubt in their minds?
When did you last see your wife?.... I last saw my wife when she went for a walk.
When did she go for a walk?... Well I don't know if she went for a walk.
But you just said she went for a walk?....Oh well, yes, she did go for a walk but I don't know when.
How do you know that she went for a walk?.....I just know.
Which way did she go?.....I think she went that way.
Which way did she go?....I think she went this way.
Which way did she go?....She went her favorite way.
Which way did she go?....I haven't got a clue.
When did you last see your wife?....The last time I saw my wife she was sitting on the lounge watching the footy show,just before she went for a walk.
Are you having an affair with another woman....No, definitely NOT!
Have you ever had an affair with another woman? .....Yes, but it's over, it's finished.
Are you sure it's over?......Yes, most certainly...believe me it's well and truly over.
We have spoken to this woman and she says it's ongoing?....Oh yes well I could be wrong, it might not be over. Oh yes, now I remember. Yes I am still seeing her. Sorry, I misunderstood the question.
Were you going to leave your wife for this other woman?......No. That's absurd.
The other woman says you were going to leave your wife in July? Oh, Yes, well that's in July, it's only April. I thought you meant am I going to leave my wife now, in April. I wish you'd be more specific with your questions.
But you were going to leave her in July?.....I can't remember.
What are the marks on your face? Oh I was using an old shaver.
What is the mark on your hand? ....Cut it on a light bulb.
What are the marks on your torso?.....Got attacked by a caterpillar.
Do you have any bruising? Bruising that may have taken place in a struggle?.....No, the bruising hasn't come out yet. It might come out later, after I crash the car. Everybody get's bruising when they crash a car.
Are you intending to crash a car?.... Absolutely not!
Is there anything we should know about? Was there an argument? Was there a struggle?....Oh yes, a very big struggle.
What do you mean?.....Well it was a very big caterpillar!
You say you slept like a log until 6am, is that correct?....Yep, slept like a baby.
Did you use your phone at all during the night?.....Definitely not! I just told you I was asleep all night.
Yes, but we have evidence that you made a face time call in the middle of the night?.....How did you get that information, i didn't think you could trace those calls.
Yes, well you can trace the calls and a call was made from your phone, can you explain that?.....Of course I can explain it...um...just give me a minute....um.

OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE, WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE. Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)
not fact, just my opinion.

:star2: :star2: :star2: :star2: :star2:

McCoy
07-22-2012, 09:49 PM
I don't know why the police didn't believe GBC. What on earth could he have said to cast doubt in their minds?
When did you last see your wife?.... I last saw my wife when she went for a walk.
When did she go for a walk?... Well I don't know if she went for a walk.
But you just said she went for a walk?....Oh well, yes, she did go for a walk but I don't know when.
How do you know that she went for a walk?.....I just know.
Which way did she go?.....I think she went that way.
Which way did she go?....I think she went this way.
Which way did she go?....She went her favorite way.
Which way did she go?....I haven't got a clue.
When did you last see your wife?....The last time I saw my wife she was sitting on the lounge watching the footy show,just before she went for a walk.
Are you having an affair with another woman....No, definitely NOT!
Have you ever had an affair with another woman? .....Yes, but it's over, it's finished.
Are you sure it's over?......Yes, most certainly...believe me it's well and truly over.
We have spoken to this woman and she says it's ongoing?....Oh yes well I could be wrong, it might not be over. Oh yes, now I remember. Yes I am still seeing her. Sorry, I misunderstood the question.
Were you going to leave your wife for this other woman?......No. That's absurd.
The other woman says you were going to leave your wife in July? Oh, Yes, well that's in July, it's only April. I thought you meant am I going to leave my wife now, in April. I wish you'd be more specific with your questions.
But you were going to leave her in July?.....I can't remember.
What are the marks on your face? Oh I was using an old shaver.
What is the mark on your hand? ....Cut it on a light bulb.
What are the marks on your torso?.....Got attacked by a caterpillar.
Do you have any bruising? Bruising that may have taken place in a struggle?.....No, the bruising hasn't come out yet. It might come out later, after I crash the car. Everybody get's bruising when they crash a car.
Are you intending to crash a car?.... Absolutely not!
Is there anything we should know about? Was there an argument? Was there a struggle?....Oh yes, a very big struggle.
What do you mean?.....Well it was a very big caterpillar!
You say you slept like a log until 6am, is that correct?....Yep, slept like a baby.
Did you use your phone at all during the night?.....Definitely not! I just told you I was asleep all night.
Yes, but we have evidence that you made a face time call in the middle of the night?.....How did you get that information, i didn't think you could trace those calls.
Yes, well you can trace the calls and a call was made from your phone, can you explain that?.....Of course I can explain it...um...just give me a minute....um.

OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE, WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE. Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)
not fact, just my opinion.

I would love to be in court for the questioning of GBC by the proscecution, his answers would be along these lines. If only they would televise the trial!

alioop
07-22-2012, 09:53 PM
Littlethings, that was brilliant. If he doesn't confess then the jury will be rolling around on the jury room floor!

Seriously though from what we already know that is just the tip of the iceberg of the amount of evidence the prosecution will present. The most damning will be the forensic phone investigations and car movements I think.

After the committal, I think that his lawyers will be having a serious discussion with him about pleading guilty.

alioop
07-22-2012, 09:55 PM
I would love to be in court for the questioning of GBC by the proscecution, his answers would be along these lines. If only they would televise the trial!

I bet my house that GBC will not give evidence in a courtroom as is his right.

Maigret
07-22-2012, 09:57 PM
Littlethings, that was brilliant. If he doesn't confess then the jury will be rolling around on the jury room floor!

Seriously though from what we already know that is just the tip of the iceberg of the amount of evidence the prosecution will present. The most damning will be the forensic phone investigations and car movements I think.

After the committal, I think that his lawyers will be having a serious discussion with him about pleading guilty.

We can only hope

BreakingNews
07-22-2012, 10:04 PM
I might be wrong but I specifically mentioned something about the light bulb cut thing several weeks ago on here. I said I really doubted it would happen unless it was a very old type of light bulb - not the newer energy saving type as they don't seem to break as easily. Even with an old one it'd have to be a rarity I think. Anyway, I can't remember who responded except the poster said they felt they did break easily (despite me dropping two on tiles without breakage - I had a gumby day lol) and I'm pretty certain that poster said it was in fact corroborated from a fellow worker that he did cut his hand on the bulb (ie. it was witnessed). At least that's my recollection - might be wrong but it'd be back in the threads somewhere. So I'm glad to now hear what I think is the opposite and it didn't happen. Agreed...how stupid!

PF, it was me who 'was a little bit hurt' when I broke several of the new light bulbs while replacing. Actually I broke every one I tried to put in. Then I ran out of bulbs. Never broke an old one. Might have something to do with the way I was holding them, but OH confirmed that they break on him also.:moo:

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 10:06 PM
Well here you go Marly - stats on cardiothoracic surgeons in Australia.
http://www.ahwo.gov.au/documents/Publications/2001/The%20cardiothoracic%20surgery%20workforce%20in%20 Australia.pdf

There are 3 females according to their report and the hours worked are long, as one would suppose but the doc would know all about this.......MOO

Age Profile
• The average age of cardiothoracic surgeons in Australia is 48 years ). A large proportion of cardiothoracic surgeons were less than 45 years of age (39.6%), and only 25.4% of the workforce were aged 55 years or greater.

Gender Profile
• There are a total of three female cardiothoracic surgeons out of the total
workforce of 107 (2.8%), with these three females located in Queensland and
Victoria.

Hours Worked
• The AIHW 1998 survey data show that, on average, cardiothoracic surgeons
worked 64.1 hours per week, which is among the highest of any medical
specialist workforce. In comparison, all surgeons combined averaged 56.7 hours
per week and all specialists combined averaged 51.5 hours per week.

And some of us work much longer hours, plus on-call. So, yes - I do know all about it...! Thanks heavens for laptops and iPads to keep in touch with a group like WS.

OK - enough about moi...! ;) Back to Allison. You're making me blush :blushing:

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 10:07 PM
guess what i really do have a twin in real life ha ha

Aww Squizzey2....:floorlaugh:

alioop
07-22-2012, 10:08 PM
And some of us work much longer hours, plus on-call. So, yes - I do know all about it...! Thanks heavens for laptops and iPads to keep in touch with a group like WS.

OK - enough about moi...! ;) Back to Allison. You're making me blush :blushing:

But even with that massive workload, we appreciate you take the time in between saving lives to help find justice for Allison. Thankyou Doc.

Bayside
07-22-2012, 10:11 PM
Well here you go Marly - stats on cardiothoracic surgeons in Australia.
http://www.ahwo.gov.au/documents/Publications/2001/The%20cardiothoracic%20surgery%20workforce%20in%20 Australia.pdf

There are 3 females according to their report and the hours worked are long, as one would suppose but the doc would know all about this.......MOO

Age Profile
• The average age of cardiothoracic surgeons in Australia is 48 years ). A large proportion of cardiothoracic surgeons were less than 45 years of age (39.6%), and only 25.4% of the workforce were aged 55 years or greater.

Gender Profile
• There are a total of three female cardiothoracic surgeons out of the total
workforce of 107 (2.8%), with these three females located in Queensland and
Victoria.

Hours Worked
• The AIHW 1998 survey data show that, on average, cardiothoracic surgeons
worked 64.1 hours per week, which is among the highest of any medical
specialist workforce. In comparison, all surgeons combined averaged 56.7 hours
per week and all specialists combined averaged 51.5 hours per week.

OMG where do you get these stats from, what does it say about cops and accountants, would love to know those thats lol.

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 10:12 PM
I tried Maigret, without success
see response from Sanity:
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, the telemovie My Husband, My Killer was never released for commercial distribution or sale. Until such time as a distributor gains the rights to manufacture and distribute this movie, we will be unable to order and sell it either online or in our stores.

I’m sorry that I don’t have better news in this regard. Please do not hesitate to contact us again if we can assist you further.

Kind Regards,

Justin Burton
Sanity Online Customer Service



You guys totally amaze me some days. :clap:

Pi Thoughts
07-22-2012, 10:13 PM
I see new names lurking. Maybe you guys can add something?
How about this..
I think Overland is an anagram of and lover not sure what the Bruce would be though. So I'm figuring GBC signed correspondence to TM like this ....
Dear TM,
blah, blah, blah blah.
Until we meet again, lots of hugs and kisses,
Your ???(Bruce) and lover (Overland).
Make sense. Only my opinion.

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 10:14 PM
But even with that massive workload, we appreciate you take the time in between saving lives to help find justice for Allison. Thankyou Doc.

I wouldn't be here if I didn't find the whole thing intriguing, plus you lot keep me sane...! I think.... At least, you keep my feet firmly on terra firma ;)

Mani
07-22-2012, 10:14 PM
OMG where do you get these stats from, what does it say about cops and accountants, would love to know those thats lol.

Google - it is a wondrous thing! LOL

possumheart
07-22-2012, 10:20 PM
Just looked at linked in and a Wayne with the same last name as TM is getting alot of hits along with some other familiar names in this story ... curious.

ollijack
07-22-2012, 10:20 PM
How about this..
I think Overland is an anagram of and lover not sure what the Bruce would be though. So I'm figuring GBC signed correspondence to TM like this ....
Dear TM,
blah, blah, blah blah.
Until we meet again, lots of hugs and kisses,
Your ???(Bruce) and lover (Overland).
Make sense. Only my opinion.


Hellllooooooo I like your post :seeya:

Bayside
07-22-2012, 10:21 PM
Google - it is a wondrous thing! LOL

Nah thats to complicated, I thought there was site that had different stats for different professions.

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 10:21 PM
Well here you go Marly - stats on cardiothoracic surgeons in Australia.
http://www.ahwo.gov.au/documents/Publications/2001/The%20cardiothoracic%20surgery%20workforce%20in%20 Australia.pdf

There are 3 females according to their report and the hours worked are long, as one would suppose but the doc would know all about this.......MOO

Wow Doc. Do you love coffee???

DrWatson
07-22-2012, 10:23 PM
Wow Doc. Do you love coffee???

Gives me the shakes - something that you do NOT want to see as you go to sleep on the operating table ...... :floorlaugh:

EDIT: Will be away in the normal world for a few hours. Please excuse any questions not being answered quickly.

ollijack
07-22-2012, 10:24 PM
Littlethings, that was brilliant. If he doesn't confess then the jury will be rolling around on the jury room floor!

Seriously though from what we already know that is just the tip of the iceberg of the amount of evidence the prosecution will present. The most damning will be the forensic phone investigations and car movements I think.

After the committal, I think that his lawyers will be having a serious discussion with him about pleading guilty.


Totally agree.....it was brilliant and so funny rofl

possumheart
07-22-2012, 10:24 PM
Just looked at linked in and a Wayne with the same last name as TM is getting alot of hits along with some other familiar names in this story ... curious.

Ok is getting weirder, he is a spiritual medium.

possumheart
07-22-2012, 10:26 PM
omg omg :silenced: :lamb:

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 10:26 PM
How about this..
I think Overland is an anagram of and lover not sure what the Bruce would be though. So I'm figuring GBC signed correspondence to TM like this ....
Dear TM,
blah, blah, blah blah.
Until we meet again, lots of hugs and kisses,
Your ???(Bruce) and lover (Overland).
Make sense. Only my opinion.


Oh very nice!! Clever. Welcome.

BreakingNews
07-22-2012, 10:26 PM
I would love to be in court for the questioning of GBC by the proscecution, his answers would be along these lines. If only they would televise the trial!

Hi McCoy. I am sure GBC would be advised by his lawyers not to speak at the trial. He's hardly done himself any favours by moving his lips so far.

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 10:31 PM
Just looked at linked in and a Wayne with the same last name as TM is getting alot of hits along with some other familiar names in this story ... curious.


Hmm. Minister? Did you see who has been looking at the profile too?? Hmm
Is this ex husband?

Pi Thoughts
07-22-2012, 10:32 PM
Oh very nice!! Clever. Welcome.
Thankyou.

ollijack
07-22-2012, 10:32 PM
Ok is getting weirder, he is a spiritual medium.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Pi Thoughts
07-22-2012, 10:33 PM
Hellllooooooo I like your post :seeya:
Thankyou, just need to work out what Bruce stands for... but then again maybe not!!

Bayside
07-22-2012, 10:39 PM
I don't know why the police didn't believe GBC. What on earth could he have said to cast doubt in their minds?
When did you last see your wife?.... I last saw my wife when she went for a walk.
When did she go for a walk?... Well I don't know if she went for a walk.
But you just said she went for a walk?....Oh well, yes, she did go for a walk but I don't know when.
How do you know that she went for a walk?.....I just know.
Which way did she go?.....I think she went that way.
Which way did she go?....I think she went this way.
Which way did she go?....She went her favorite way.
Which way did she go?....I haven't got a clue.
When did you last see your wife?....The last time I saw my wife she was sitting on the lounge watching the footy show,just before she went for a walk.
Are you having an affair with another woman....No, definitely NOT!
Have you ever had an affair with another woman? .....Yes, but it's over, it's finished.
Are you sure it's over?......Yes, most certainly...believe me it's well and truly over.
We have spoken to this woman and she says it's ongoing?....Oh yes well I could be wrong, it might not be over. Oh yes, now I remember. Yes I am still seeing her. Sorry, I misunderstood the question.
Were you going to leave your wife for this other woman?......No. That's absurd.
The other woman says you were going to leave your wife in July? Oh, Yes, well that's in July, it's only April. I thought you meant am I going to leave my wife now, in April. I wish you'd be more specific with your questions.
But you were going to leave her in July?.....I can't remember.
What are the marks on your face? Oh I was using an old shaver.
What is the mark on your hand? ....Cut it on a light bulb.
What are the marks on your torso?.....Got attacked by a caterpillar.
Do you have any bruising? Bruising that may have taken place in a struggle?.....No, the bruising hasn't come out yet. It might come out later, after I crash the car. Everybody get's bruising when they crash a car.
Are you intending to crash a car?.... Absolutely not!
Is there anything we should know about? Was there an argument? Was there a struggle?....Oh yes, a very big struggle.
What do you mean?.....Well it was a very big caterpillar!
You say you slept like a log until 6am, is that correct?....Yep, slept like a baby.
Did you use your phone at all during the night?.....Definitely not! I just told you I was asleep all night.
Yes, but we have evidence that you made a face time call in the middle of the night?.....How did you get that information, i didn't think you could trace those calls.
Yes, well you can trace the calls and a call was made from your phone, can you explain that?.....Of course I can explain it...um...just give me a minute....um.

OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE, WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE. Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)
not fact, just my opinion.

Very well put together.. thanks. Oh I pinched your quote too I was waiting for a quote to inspire me.

Inspector
07-22-2012, 10:39 PM
Can anyone tell me why no arrest would be made of an accomplice, even if strong evidence of involvement exists eg NBC as suspected by most? Could this mean QPS have insufficient evidence to charge a second person?

Curiousasacat
07-22-2012, 10:41 PM
Thankyou, just need to work out what Bruce stands for... but then again maybe not!!

Maybe he thought he was Bruce Lee.... :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:




Possum....What!! Tell : )

Rational
07-22-2012, 10:45 PM
omg omg :silenced: :lamb:

Possum you are not playing nice!!!!!:what:

possumheart
07-22-2012, 10:46 PM
Hmm. Minister? Did you see who has been looking at the profile too?? Hmm
Is this ex husband?

:headache: is friends with TM on facebook but is in UK

GEANIE
07-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Oh very nice!! Clever. Welcome.

Bruce Overland

A blunder cover......

possumheart
07-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Possum is trying not to jump to conclusions :headache:

squizzey1
07-22-2012, 10:47 PM
OMG where do you get these stats from, what does it say about cops and accountants, would love to know those thats lol.

cop and a bean counter OMG

Mountain Misst
07-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Hmmm - must be my accent and the high voice in which I post... ;)

Nope - definitely a "he", and no man boobs either. Actually, not too many "she"s in my field of surgery - took 6 years of undergrad, plus 12 years of post-grad, and then a career working 14-18 hours a day. Plus on call 24/7.

Not all that compatible with "she"s - not suggesting for a minute that "she"s don't have the stamina, but just that they seem to be much better at life balance, and have other things in life that they regard as at least as important as work. We blokes much less so.

My generalisation: women can multitask and do many things at once. Men can only do one thing at a time but extremely well and with 110% focus. Try distracting a bloke from the TV and you will know what I mean.... ;)

Tread carefully doc or the 'old bat'-water will get you.

Davita
07-22-2012, 10:50 PM
How about this..
I think Overland is an anagram of and lover not sure what the Bruce would be though. So I'm figuring GBC signed correspondence to TM like this ....
Dear TM,
blah, blah, blah blah.
Until we meet again, lots of hugs and kisses,
Your ???(Bruce) and lover (Overland).
Make sense. Only my opinion.

Just had a look in the Urban dictionary. LOL.

"Bruce is slang for Marijuana (weed). It is a shorter version of "Bruce Banner" which is used as slang for the drug since it is the name of The Incredible Hulk who is big and green. " :floorlaugh:

I am glad I was sitting down when I read your post and then this.

Rational
07-22-2012, 10:51 PM
Thankyou.

Hi Pi welcome.

Does your reference to Pi mean that you have circular thoughts relevant to the circumference of our discussions?!

:floorlaugh:

Mountain Misst
07-22-2012, 10:53 PM
I would love to be in court for the questioning of GBC by the proscecution, his answers would be along these lines. If only they would televise the trial!

By the time it gets to trial it may very well be televised. I'd even buy a recording device so I could do a frame by frame......

Rational
07-22-2012, 10:57 PM
:floorlaugh:Bruce Overland

A blunder cover......

How apt!!!

Pi Thoughts
07-22-2012, 10:57 PM
Hopefully the Captiva, being a late model car, was fitted with a GPS. If so then maybe QPS can extract some valuable info...
It would appear that all trips are stored, for up to 16 days on some GPS units, not only entered destinations!

www.forensicwiki.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Take note of the Garmin description, particularly the last para and also the Cell Phone with GPS para.
Doesn't really assist us now but could turn out to be the "smoking gun".

I could stand to be corrected but this is my understanding.

Mountain Misst
07-22-2012, 10:59 PM
Bruce Overland

A blunder cover......

Perhaps even "Cover a blunder"

ollijack
07-22-2012, 11:00 PM
Very well put together.. thanks. Oh I pinched your quote too I was waiting for a quote to inspire me.



Oh lol Bayside...I pinched another sentence too....its now my signature lol:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

LauraMars
07-22-2012, 11:03 PM
Hi and welcome Pi Thoughts :)

Have seen you lurking down there, love your avatar

possumheart
07-22-2012, 11:04 PM
:headache: is friends with TM on facebook but is in UK

Not friends any more when I went back but I got to her locked facebook from him (is still in my history). :eye: :eye: