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JBean
07-26-2012, 02:13 AM
Please list the conflicting information that has been reported in MSM.
Please supply links for your examples.

THIS IS A NO DISCUSSION THREAD MEANING IT IS LIST ONLY.

Liz
07-26-2012, 04:21 AM
The 1st conflicting report was ABC News reporting that when JH's mother, Arlene Holmes was called by the ABC reporter in the early hours of Friday, July 20th, she replied that they had the right person. Mrs Holmes states that ABC News misrepresented what she'd said, by reporting and implying that she stated her son "was the right person" who had commited the mass shootings in Aurora.

Press conference held on behalf of Mr & Mrs Holmes, by their attorney:
ABC News Jumped the Gun about James Holmes - YouTube

James Holmes mother Arlene Holmes says ABC News falsely reported her initial media statement

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/james-holmes-mother-arlene-holmes-says-abc-news-falsely-reported-her-initial-media-statement

Liz
07-26-2012, 04:52 AM
James Holmes Spits Frequently At Guards In Jail
Posted: 07/25/2012 10:59 am Updated: 07/25/2012 10:59 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/james-holmes-spits-guards-jail_n_1701540.html

Sources: Holmes 'Spitting In Jail' Reports False
CALL7 Investigator Sources Refute National News Reports; Holmes Not Spitting Or Wearing Headgear In Jail
POSTED: 1:23 pm MDT July 25, 2012
UPDATED: 1:45 pm MDT July 25, 2012
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31303850/detail.html

Liz
07-26-2012, 06:43 AM
Posted on: 12:43 pm, July 23, 2012, by Justin Joseph and Will C. Holden, updated on: 05:23pm, July 23, 2012:

The University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus reported it found a “suspicious” package near building 500 before any employees arrived on campus Monday morning. The package was dealt with at that time and caused no evacuations. Later that afternoon, another suspicious package was reported where mail was sorted at the university. By 5 p.m., that package was still under investigation.

The packages were not sent by Holmes, but those that received the packages feared they might have been.

http://kdvr.com/2012/07/23/suspicious-package-found-on-aurora-suspects-old-campus/


By Jana Winter Published July 25, 2012:

The source said police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect. Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another package sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes’ name in the return address, the source told FoxNews.com.

A second law enforcement source said authorities got a warrant from a county judge and took the package away Monday night. When it was opened, its chilling contents were revealed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/?test=latestnews#ixzz21iru3LDS


Posted 14 hours ago:

The source told NBC that the package contained writings about killing people, but could not go into more detail.


Police recovered the package on Monday after getting a search warrant for the medical center mail room and then getting a second warrant to actually open the package, the law enforcement source said.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/25/12950440-source-tip-from-accused-aurora-shooter-leads-authorities-to-package?lite



POSTED: 11:05 am MDT July 25, 2012
UPDATED: 11:13 pm MDT July 25, 2012:

"Officials at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus can confirm that the suspicious package discovered at the Facilities Services building on Monday, July 23, 2012, was delivered to the campus by the United States Postal Service that same day, immediately investigated and turned over to authorities within hours of delivery. This package prompted the building’s evacuation at 12:26 p.m. and employees were allowed to return by 3:06 p.m.," said Jacque Montgomery.

Call7 Investigator John Ferrugia reported Monday that three packages were received by CU -- all with John Holmes' name on them.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31303512/detail.html

DeadCat
07-26-2012, 07:12 AM
In the transcript of 911 tapes:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/hold_that_suspect_transcript_shows_Ue328L8ICj9Co1B 2E9dYLN

01:06:14 16 I need a marked car behind the theater stable side,suspect in a gas mask. 01:06:22

01:06:50 Everyone hold the air one second, cars where that white car in the rear of the lot, is that a suspect? YES! we've got rifles, gas masks, you can see him I've got a open door going into the theater, OK hold that position, hold that suspect! 01:07:05

Are there 2 gas masks? Was suspect in mask on stable side or in car with gas mask?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/aurora-colorado-theater-shooting/

KateB
07-27-2012, 05:51 AM
Not sure this is relevant, but its needed to know when checking the math on his "hit ratio."
70 injured/killed vs 70 shot:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57478483/miller-aurora-shooter-must-have-practiced/

"Here's an individual who we see kind of lolling in court but who went into that theater, actually shooting and hitting with bullets more than 52 people of the 70 injured," said Miller on "CBS This Morning." "Here's a guy who went in with what we think was about 100 rounds; that gives him a 50 percent hit ratio.

"From law enforcement, when you go on the range and you're shooting at a paper target - it is standing still and waits for you - that's a 90 to 94 percent hit ratio in a lot of places. In combat shooting in the street, police officers often hit in ranges of 21 to 25 percent of their targets."

20% treated at this one hospital were for non-gunshot wounds.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31289126/detail.html
Medical Center of Aurora initially treated 15 patients. Twelve had gunshot wounds, three had some sort of chemical/fume exposure, according to Dr. Frank Lansville.


http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20120721/NEWS0107/207210378/

70 shot in theater rampage

DeadCat
07-30-2012, 04:24 AM
None There
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48389798

Already There
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zQspCcMQABM
Listen at 3:15 mark.

Liz
07-30-2012, 03:47 PM
If Holmes' attorneys cannot convince the court that he is mentally incompetent, and he is convicted, they can try to stave off a possible death penalty by arguing he is mentally ill. Prosecutors will decide whether to seek the death penalty in the coming weeks.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31316200/detail.html

About 1:30 into the video below, the attorney, Gary Lozow, states, "the defense doesn't have to prove insanity. The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that "JH" wasn't insane.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-cycle/48290416#48290416

Liz
08-02-2012, 12:25 PM
Dated 7-27-12 (date stamp on article has been removed, but it is in the url of the WaPo article, which you can see by clicking 'quote')

Campus police, whose officers participate in the Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team, have said they had no contact with Holmes. Other team members reached in recent days declined to discuss Holmes.

University Chancellor Don Elliman told reporters this week that to his knowledge, “We did everything we should have done in this case.”

Michael Carrigan, chairman of the University of Colorado regents, said he couldn’t comment on Holmes in particular and said he didn’t know what might have brought him to the attention of the BETA team.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-was-seeing-psychiatrist-at-university-before-massacre/2012/07/27/gJQAsTwHEX_story_1.html

POSTED: 10:41 am MDT August 1, 2012
UPDATED: 10:54 pm MDT August 1, 2012

CU Chancellor Don Elliman said at a news conference the school did everything properly. “To the best of our knowledge at this point we did everything that we think we should have done,” he said last week.

Michael Carrigan, chairman of the CU board of regents, told CALL7 Investigators that he did not know if Holmes had ever been discussed by the BETA team.

"It's the first I'm hearing about this," he said in a phone interview.
A CU spokeswoman declined comment on Fenton or any BETA team actions, citing a gag order.
Source: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31324092/detail.html

Pick a story, Mr. Carrigan, and stick to it!

Liz
08-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Holmes Failed Preliminary Exam Before Withdrawing
dated 7-21-12:


A man accused in a mass shooting at a Colorado theater that killed 12 people and injured 58 more failed a preliminary exam before pulling out of the neurosciences program at Colorado University.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31292454/detail.html


dated 7-27-12:

It remains unclear why Holmes had decided to leave the program in June. But university officials said it would not have been because he failed the hour-long oral exam that all first-year students must take, as some have suggested.

“We don’t really grade this exam pass-fail,” Ribera* said. “Either we tell the student ‘No problem,’ or we say, ‘We notice that there were deficiencies in this area.’ Then the chair of the graduate training committee talks to the student and together they come up with a plan to address that deficiency.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-was-seeing-psychiatrist-at-university-before-massacre/2012/07/27/gJQAsTwHEX_story_1.html
*Ribera is the Associate Director of The Medical Scientist Training Program (MSTP) at the University of Colorado (http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/education/degree_programs/mstp/Pages/MSTP.aspx)



Posted: 6:42 AM Today, 8-2-12:
Last Updated: 6 hours and 55 minutes ago

During the period when, sources say, Fenton contacted fellow BETA team members, Holmes did not do well on an oral presentation on June 7.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/dr-lynne-fenton-james-holmes-court-case-psychiatrist-called-threat-team-before-aurora-shooting

Grasshopper
08-04-2012, 11:05 PM
Not substantial but contradicting, nonetheless.


Jacobson told the newspaper Holmes "should not have gotten into the summer program. His grades were mediocre. I've heard him described as brilliant. This is extremely inaccurate."
He said Holmes' high school transcripts showed Bs and no advanced-placement classes.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-24/john-holmes-smart-academics/56467518/1


"The biggest thing I remember about him was -- we did a high school project, it was -- the end of -- the year project for AP European History class -- and that's when I found out he could play the piano. He's actually pretty good at the piano. He was just playing some old Irish stuff. But that's -- that's really the deepest I got to know about him."

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57477660-504083/colorado-theater-shooting-classmate-says-james-holmes-was-totally-non-aggressive-a-little-forgettable/

shadowraiths
08-05-2012, 08:31 PM
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/50096f056bb3f7295b000006/shooter-gear.jpg





The police apprehended Mr. Holmes outside the theater minutes after the shooting, still wearing the body armor. He had four guns with him. A law enforcement official said he also had tablets of Vicodin, a painkiller, in his possession.

Chief Daniel Oates of the Aurora police praised the arresting officers on the CBS program “Face the Nation” for noticing that Mr. Holmes’ gear was not quite like that of the other S.W.A.T. officers or he might well have escaped, mistaken for one of the responders.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/us/online-ammunition-sales-highlighted-by-aurora-shootings.html?pagewanted=all

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5009925769beddd26f000003/shooter-gear.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/shadowraiths/Smilies/ce7a4897.png

NB: Pics from Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-we-know-about-the-equipment-carried-by-the-denver-shooter-2012-7)

DeadCat
08-23-2012, 08:06 PM
Was he banned or did he chose to leave school?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/23/attorneys-to-argue-over-release-colorado-shooting-suspect-records/

HastingsChi
08-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Was he banned or did he chose to leave school?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/23/attorneys-to-argue-over-release-colorado-shooting-suspect-records/

DeadCat check my two latest posts in the theatre thread; because between the prosecution's insanely bad theory of motive and the State and University's countless revisions of the facts/events... I'm really, really suspect.

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