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shadowraiths
08-02-2012, 01:00 AM
Thought I would start a poll, to include NGRI, LWoP, Death Penalty, Undecided.

STANDREID
08-02-2012, 09:48 AM
My vote was LWoP. I would reserve the death penalty only for LWoP convicts who commit additional serious crimes (murder, rape, torture, escape ...) while incarcerated.

pinkflamingo
08-02-2012, 11:05 AM
I put undecided - not sure how all of this mental health stuff will play out- will wait- either LWOP or death penalty for me. No mental institution or lesser penalty.

JenniferTx
08-02-2012, 12:04 PM
death penalty

He doesn't deserve to live since he killed so many people and ruined so many peoples lifes.

OneLostGrl
08-02-2012, 12:08 PM
I voted undecided. I prefer to wait until trial and all the evidence has been presented before I make up my mind as to punishment.

newsleuther
08-02-2012, 12:14 PM
Not enough information available to make this decision.

KDOGG
08-02-2012, 12:24 PM
i voted LWOP. he gets off too 'easy' with the death penalty. he needs to live the rest of his life in solitary confinement if u ask me. i'd prefer some sort of daily torture take place if it was up to me.

prima.facie
08-02-2012, 12:29 PM
I believe the death penalty is a much too easy way "out"...and most of my life ive been very pro-DP....

I believe life in prison is not enough.....they get way too many luxuries/privileges....

When it comes to people like murderers pedophiles/sexual offenders....I believe the best solution is a loooong drawn out painful death.....like digging a hole, throwing the person in a that hole, covering it minus a hole for air and let them rot there slowly....


^^yeah, pretty gruesome, but i believe some crimes deserve the harshest punishment one could hand out....

with that said.....when it comes to mental dissorders and people who truly had no control over their actions because their mind is ****ed up....i have some different thoughts.

February
08-02-2012, 12:49 PM
Too early to decide.

Still on the fence :fence:

I see planning on buying his killing "equipments" but the question is, was he in the right state of mind while he was doing that.

I would like to hear from a 3rd Party Psychiatrist who will actually see and evaluate JH right now. I want to see brain imaging and see if he is suffering from a brain tumor or any other affiliated diseases.

But one thing i am sure - He shouldn't be FREE AND he shouldn't be mingling with the Public . He is dangerous IMO.

seattlechiquita
08-02-2012, 12:59 PM
I voted NGRI. Having had experience in higher education with folks who are brilliant and severely mentally ill, I have to step back and wait to be convinced otherwise. Maybe I am wrong -- evidence will tell.

Curious Me
08-02-2012, 04:09 PM
LWOP, at this point, but I reserve my right to change my mind as new info comes out. I just hope he doesn't somehow get married and have children while he's in prison.

jjenny
08-02-2012, 04:27 PM
i voted LWOP. he gets off too 'easy' with the death penalty. he needs to live the rest of his life in solitary confinement if u ask me. i'd prefer some sort of daily torture take place if it was up to me.

In all likelihood they will never carry death penalty out in Co. Now, if he was in TX, that would be another story.

jjenny
08-02-2012, 04:30 PM
I voted NGRI. Having had experience in higher education with folks who are brilliant and severely mentally ill, I have to step back and wait to be convinced otherwise. Maybe I am wrong -- evidence will tell.

He can be mentally ill-that doesn't necessarily make him legally insane and doesn't prevent a conviction.
Mental illness and legal insanity are not one and the same.

josie1986
08-02-2012, 04:32 PM
i voted death penalty,i may not be american but i don't see why american taxpayers should pay to house this evil person for the rest of his life.

he took so many lives and and ruined many others,he does not deserve the privilege of life

shadowraiths
08-02-2012, 04:56 PM
i voted death penalty,i may not be american but i don't see why american taxpayers should pay to house this evil person for the rest of his life.
The cost of a death penalty case far exceeds the cost of housing an inmate for life. ( link (http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html#Costs) ) For example, it cost Florida tax payers $5M to put Ted Bundy to death ( link (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sentenced+to+death) ).

That said, am not saying the man should not be put to death, just that the common arguments, cost (as you suggest) and deterrence (as some believe), are myths.

SapphireSteel
08-02-2012, 09:05 PM
Do you all think there's any relation between America's acceptance of the DP, and it's acceptance of gun violence?

Someone much wiser than me pointed out, you don't have more crazies than anyone else, they are just better armed.

4Jacy
08-03-2012, 01:09 AM
Fry him! He murdered in cold blood, with no care about babies, young children, mothers, fathers and older people. Not to mentioned the ones he wounded and the families and friends of these vitcims.

We have had too much of this in our country. We need swift justice to show the wanna bes we mean business, and there is no tolerance for this in our society.

:maddening::maddening:

rollinginit
08-03-2012, 08:03 AM
I voted LWOP

I think the state wants DP, but I am not so sure all the families will want that.

I think the def. will start out with the Insanity argument, then in the end there will be a deal that gives him LWOP.

jjenny
08-03-2012, 04:31 PM
I voted LWOP

I think the state wants DP, but I am not so sure all the families will want that.

I think the def. will start out with the Insanity argument, then in the end there will be a deal that gives him LWOP.

At least some family members do want the death penalty, according to tmz.
With so many victims, not everybody is going to agree, but I don't see why they have to.

rollinginit
08-03-2012, 06:20 PM
At least some family members do want the death penalty, according to tmz.
With so many victims, not everybody is going to agree, but I don't see why they have to.

What's the state going to do if half want the dp and half don't?

IMO, I think there will be a plea somewhere along the way. Lwop.

seattlechiquita
08-03-2012, 06:57 PM
He can be mentally ill-that doesn't necessarily make him legally insane and doesn't prevent a conviction.
Mental illness and legal insanity are not one and the same.

I understand the difference :rolleyes: - My vote stands, and my reasons are mine. I don't have to justify it to you or to anybody else.

jjenny
08-04-2012, 03:59 PM
What's the state going to do if half want the dp and half don't?

IMO, I think there will be a plea somewhere along the way. Lwop.

State can decide to do whatever it wants, it doesn't actually have to follow wishes of the victims, since it represents the state (justice) and not the victims personally.
I don't think there will be a plea here.

JBean
08-05-2012, 03:41 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443866404577569901034583304.html?m od=googlenews_wsj (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443866404577569901034583304.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)
Loughner to Plead Guilty in Giffords Shooting, Official Says

Jared Loughner (http://topics.wsj.com/person/l/jared-loughner/6312), the young Tucson man accused of shooting then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (http://topics.wsj.com/person/g/gabrielle-giffords/6311) and killing six people, is set to plead guilty Tuesday, an official familiar with the case said Saturday.

A psychologist appointed by the court is expected to say at the hearing that he is competent to plead guilty,

pferrin
08-07-2012, 03:34 AM
LWOP death penalty cases are so expensive..full of appeals that cost taxpayers a fortune and are generally a pain in the a.. I would definitely hope that he would plead guilty and go for LWOP. He does deserve the death penalty..

rollinginit
08-07-2012, 04:47 AM
I'm going to post this article here b/c it has to do with LWOP or DP and the brand new DA elections coming up in Aurora. Both candiates list their opinion on DP in this article.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21243421/new-da-will-get-biggest-case-first-day?source=pkg

A story that is still making national headlines will bring with it maybe the biggest decision of his career as well: whether to seek the death penalty against James Eagan Holmes, the man charged with the brutal midnight attack carried out during the premiere of the new Batman movie, "The Dark Knight Rises."

That's because it's a question not likely to be left to current District Attorney Carol Chambers, who is term-limited and will leave office in January
after eight years as the top prosecutor in Arapahoe, Douglas, Elbert and Lincoln counties.

Instead, that decision will ultimately come from one of two men who are vying in November to replace Chambers: Democrat Ethan Feldman or Republican George Brauchler.

Both candidates have had experience with death-penalty cases: Brauchler, working with the prosecution in a military case; and Feldman a former judge and prosecutor as a defense attorney.

Ultimately, neither case sent anyone to death row

Portabella
08-08-2012, 02:41 PM
Don't know enough of the facts to make the decision yet, so undecided.

songline
08-08-2012, 05:09 PM
I voted LWOP I will stick to this assuming there is no accomplice.
Never DP for MI people - they do suffer much - sometimes too much.

The reason I voted LWOP is he will be get some treatment, and he will never harm another person.
I do not trust them on the outside if they are violent... One never knows if they take their meds, or if they may try something new.

IF the case comes up with an additional person I will rethink this. Right now we have one guy 12 Dead, and 59 harmed by him.

tezi
09-12-2012, 07:23 PM
Stick him in SuperMax in Florence, Colorado. That's a fate worse than the death penalty. There he will be treated like the low-life scum that he is.

Nathan Dunlap, the Chuck E Cheese killer has been on death row in Colorado since 1994, I think he is down to his last appeal now. Hopefully, he will have a date with the needle soon. But, the way things are going, he'll probably die of old age before he is executed.

Yes, I know Holmes suffers from mental illness, but a great deal of planning went into what he did. He KNEW what he was doing, so I am not going to give him a pass just because he has some sort of mental illness.

HastingsChi
09-13-2012, 09:22 AM
Personally I think that at this point there are way too many blanks to be filled in / questions to be answered to merit this poll being conducted; at this point we don't have enough hard evidence to base our responses on anything other than pure emotion. I vote to suspend the poll until we are presented with the facts of the case.

shadowraiths
09-27-2012, 08:04 PM
Personally I think that at this point there are way too many blanks to be filled in / questions to be answered to merit this poll being conducted; at this point we don't have enough hard evidence to base our responses on anything other than pure emotion. I vote to suspend the poll until we are presented with the facts of the case.
I get what you're saying. Though, I was thinking more along the lines of before and after.

jjenny
10-06-2012, 04:57 PM
By the way, you can't commit someone to a mental facility for life.
Those found NGRI are periodically evaluated. So, if found NGRI, he could very well get out one of these days, if some shrink declares him "cured" and judge sings off on it.

mishelly27
10-06-2012, 09:44 PM
By the way, you can't commit someone to a mental facility for life.
Those found NGRI are periodically evaluated. So, if found NGRI, he could very well get out one of these days, if some shrink declares him "cured" and judge sings off on it.

True, but I don't see that happening. The Reagan shooter is still in a MH. That said, I would not be ok with him ever seeing the light of day and I suppose that's a possibility. He can never be trusted again. Still, I really think the poor sap needs treatment, badly.

jjenny
10-07-2012, 04:27 PM
True, but I don't see that happening. The Reagan shooter is still in a MH. That said, I would not be ok with him ever seeing the light of day and I suppose that's a possibility. He can never be trusted again. Still, I really think the poor sap needs treatment, badly.

They are now allowing Regan's shooter to get out on family visits.

HastingsChi
10-23-2012, 11:34 PM
Seriously folks Holmes has not had his day in court nor has any evidence been presented; talking about killing him without allowing for his constitutional right of a fair trial is not intelligent.

Peazzzer
10-24-2012, 12:17 AM
I say give him the justice juice...I don't care if he is crazy or not, he needs put down.