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KateB
08-04-2012, 02:07 PM
sorry for confusing you. when jefferson parish went to interview him about the alleged stabbing he told them that new orleans police dept had already interviewed him for two hours. i dont think, MOO, that they would chunk both oschner and nopd in the same group. plus we have never seen the alleged nopd report.

Here's the link to the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office police report where BSL stated he was interviewed by NOPD detectives for 2 hours.

http://files.wafb.com/lavergne.pdf

kjnmom
08-04-2012, 02:58 PM
Here's the link to the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office police report where BSL stated he was interviewed by NOPD detectives for 2 hours.

http://files.wafb.com/lavergne.pdf

Before JPSO interviewed BSL, security personnel at Oschner's told the JPSO detective that Orleans Parish detectives had already interviewed BSL.

http://files.wafb.com/lavergne.pdf

Donamena
08-04-2012, 04:10 PM
Here's the link to the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office police report where BSL stated he was interviewed by NOPD detectives for 2 hours.

http://files.wafb.com/lavergne.pdf
Although AOMF is technically, physically in Jefferson parish, it's address is Orleans parish. Not sure if that would have anything to do w/ both LE interviewing him.
I don't think he would have said the mugging took place in Orleans, since he stated that he didn't know where he was??
The choice of Ochsner has always been problematic for me.
On his way into Nola he would have passed Ochsner- Kenner trauma, EJ, Lakeside Women's. in Nola, LSU Charity, Tulane, uptown, Touro, Ochsner-Baptist. Main campus for AOMF is a bit out of the way for the average non-resident. If he didn't know where he was attacked, why pick Ochsner?

Geaux Tigers!
08-04-2012, 04:25 PM
Although AOMF is technically, physically in Jefferson parish, it's address is Orleans parish. Not sure if that would have anything to do w/ both LE interviewing him.
I don't think he would have said the mugging took place in Orleans, since he stated that he didn't know where he was??
The choice of Ochsner has always been problematic for me.
On his way into Nola he would have passed Ochsner- Kenner trauma, EJ, Lakeside Women's. in Nola, LSU Charity, Tulane, uptown, Touro, Ochsner-Baptist. Main campus for AOMF is a bit out of the way for the average non-resident. If he didn't know where he was attacked, why pick Ochsner?

Especially if he's saying he was robbed at a gas station downtown. He'd have had to passed all of those except Kenner if he was truly lost downtown and then accidentally cross the bridge to end up on the Westbank Expressway and then just stumble upon the Belle Chasse Highway to get to Ochsner.

And, if he had reported it to NOPD, why would they have not sent him for medical attention when they were interviewing him?

It's always bothered me that the JPSO just let him go. My guess is they thought he was involved in a drug deal gone bad and since he wouldn't talk, had no choice.

I still can't wrap my head around a finger so badly cut it needed surgery in Opelousas that wasn't addressed at Ochsner. I've often wondered if he didn't actually get that cut after he left there.

I always thought there was a window in which to stitch or repair a cut of about three hours. Surely they wouldn't have let him leave without repairing it, unless he signed himself out AMA.

MissKJN
08-04-2012, 04:41 PM
. I always thought there was a window in which to stitch or repair a cut of about three hours. Surely they wouldn't have let him leave without repairing it, unless he signed himself out AMA.

There's actually an 8 to 12 hour window typically. They may have sewn up finger at Ochsner or just stabilized bleeding and then made referral for him to see ortho/hand specialist for further repair if nerves or tendons affected--which must have been the deal. He then saw GP--the specialist to do surgery. Those repairs have about 10 day to 2 week window for repair.

My sister cut her hand at base of finger recently, went to after hours and was sewn up, only to find the nerve was damaged and no sensation later. She had surgery almost 2 weeks later to repair the nerve damage.

What I cannot see is him going back to work offshore that soon after if he is a mechanic--unless he was put on some other duty or he did not reveal that he had an injury to work.

Donamena
08-04-2012, 04:52 PM
There's actually an 8 to 12 hour window typically. They may have sewn up finger at Ochsner or just stabilized bleeding and then made referral for him to see ortho/hand specialist for further repair if nerves or tendons affected--which must have been the deal. He then saw GP--the specialist to do surgery. Those repairs have about 10 day to 2 week window for repair.

My sister cut her hand at base of finger recently, went to after hours and was sewn up, only to find the nerve was damaged and no sensation later. She had surgery almost 2 weeks later to repair the nerve damage.

What I cannot see is him going back to work offshore that soon after if he is a mechanic--unless he was put on some other duty or he did not reveal that he had an injury to work.
Would the ER staff have been able to tell that he didn't just get those wounds from a recent mugging somewhere, somehow??

verot
08-04-2012, 05:00 PM
Would the ER staff have been able to tell that he didn't just get those wounds from a recent mugging somewhere, somehow??

Yes, I would imagine that an ER doctor would have been able to tell if the wounds had begun to start to heal as opposed to just having recently occurred. I'm not sure if they were actually looking for that or noticing it at the time though. Hopefully, they did and will be called to testify to that at the trial.

Kitty Stiletto
08-04-2012, 05:05 PM
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As for the NOPD, I believe one of the MSM articles stated that bc BSL said he could not recall where the alleged mugging occurred, both NOPD and JPSO were called. I'll try to find the link and post it. It is interesting that there's no reference of NOPD in the document, though. Perhaps the reporter was mistaken, or maybe NOPD hadn't arrived...just speculating.

ClaireT
08-04-2012, 05:12 PM
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As for the NOPD, I believe one of the MSM articles stated that bc BSL said he could not recall where the alleged mugging occurred, both NOPD and JPSO were called. I'll try to find the link and post it. It is interesting that there's no reference of NOPD in the document, though. Perhaps the reporter was mistaken, or maybe NOPD hadn't arrived...just speculating.

I don't have the documents with me, but as I recall, the JPSO report on BSL's visit to Ochsner referred to the NOPD. NOPD interviewed him first and called JPSO.

Donamena
08-04-2012, 05:39 PM
Yes, I would imagine that an ER doctor would have been able to tell if the wounds had begun to start to heal as opposed to just having recently occurred. I'm not sure if they were actually looking for that or noticing it at the time though. Hopefully, they did and will be called to testify to that at the trial.
The staff there (I worked there for @ 10 yrs) is great & well-trained, as are ER docs. They would have been able to spot the holes in his 'story' early on. If you just got mugged, by a White guy w/ god teeth (in Nola, no less) w/ a black hat covering most of his face (in May) w/ a Saints jersey that doesn't exist yet, your wounds would be fresh. Any ER nurse or doc would be able to tell that his story was hinky from th beginning. Just wondering why NOPD was called first.

cluciano63
08-04-2012, 05:43 PM
The staff there (I worked there for @ 10 yrs) is great & well-trained, as are ER docs. They would have been able to spot the holes in his 'story' early on. If you just got mugged, by a White guy w/ god teeth (in Nola, no less) w/ a black hat covering most of his face (in May) w/ a Saints jersey that doesn't exist yet, your wounds would be fresh. Any ER nurse or doc would be able to tell that his story was hinky from th beginning. Just wondering why NOPD was called first.

I thought he said it had happened about 7-8 hours earlier. Would they really take note it they looked more like 20 hours old, vs. 8 hours old?

NewYork625
08-04-2012, 06:04 PM
This lists the last verification date as 5/28/12. It lists a scar on both the left & right ribs, as well as a scar on his right hand from "surgery".
I want to know if he was seen in person by his parole agent, or whatever the title is, or if he just had to phone in.
If he did, indeed, have prior hand surgery, maybe it was re-injured in the abduction and that's why more bell's didn't go off with medical personnel. This could also explain the contact with the orthopedic surgeon (G.?.).
If he was trying to down-play the injury, he could just say he re-injured it or whatever and he'd already have the "in" with hand surgeon etc....Does this make sense? I know what his story was about being mugged in NO but if he had prior injury to the hand he could've worked that angle as well.
Even if he checked in on the phone, he may have mentioned the surgery when asked because he had already concocted the mugging story. If in person, his hand would have been bandaged and he would have likely been asked what happened.

Donamena
08-04-2012, 06:40 PM
I thought he said it had happened about 7-8 hours earlier. Would they really take note it they looked more like 20 hours old, vs. 8 hours old?
That's even worse if he said he was trying to find an ER? That's so odd?? Who would believe that?
I'm prob confused. Can't quite get his timeline. If he abducted & killed Mickey in th early hours of the 19th, which was a Saturday, no? Why would he be in Nola on 20th? O do I have it off?

aml0609
08-04-2012, 07:03 PM
That's even worse if he said he was trying to find an ER? That's so odd?? Who would believe that?
I'm prob confused. Can't quite get his timeline. If he abducted & killed Mickey in th early hours of the 19th, which was a Saturday, no? Why would he be in Nola on 20th? O do I have it off?

Mickey went missing around 2AM Saturday, the 19th. He showed up at Oschner at around 11PM stating he got mugged at 3PM.

Credit to KATC's timeline that they have posted:
05/19/2012, 1:48 a.m.: Mickey is caught on camera, riding her bike, on St. Landry Street. Police say between St. Landry and Blackham Coliseum, Lavergne allegedly kidnapped Mickey. Her bike's damage is consistent with being hit from behind by a vehicle.
05/19/2012, approximately 3:00 pm: According to a police report from Jefferson Parish, Lavergne says he was attacked at a gas station in the New Orleans area, repeatedly stabbed by an unknown man.
05/19/2012, 6:30 p.m.: Mickey's family reports her missing to police.
05/19/2012, 11:00 p.m.: Lavergne is interviewed by Jefferson Parish deputies in connection with an aggravated battery/robbery against him earlier that afternoon. The interview happens at a hospital in New Orleans as Lavergne is being treated, according to a police report. Lavergne can't recall where it happened.

Lera213
08-04-2012, 07:13 PM
On May 25, Lavergne allegedly made statements to people at the office of someone identified only as G.P.

Law enforcement obtained a search warrant for Lavergne's medical records on file with Dr. Gary Porubsky http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20120804/NEWS01/120804001/Louisiana-murder-suspect-moved-2-victims-bodies-state-alleges?odyssey=nav%7Chead&nclick_check=1 So the GP probably is this Dr. GP

Lera213
08-04-2012, 07:20 PM
So he tells the officer at the hospital in NO that he drove around awhile trying to find a hospital. BSL stated this because his wounds were probably noticeably not fresh so he needed an excuse to delay fresh wounds not being seen. He also was hoping to lay a foundation for an alibi, and one last thing, he stated his GPS was malfunctioning...he stated this in case LE can link him to anything with the GPS, his defense will try to say the GPS is wrong because it wasn't working right. OVEY!

MamaRoux
08-04-2012, 08:18 PM
Especially if he's saying he was robbed at a gas station downtown. He'd have had to passed all of those except Kenner if he was truly lost downtown and then accidentally cross the bridge to end up on the Westbank Expressway and then just stumble upon the Belle Chasse Highway to get to Ochsner.

And, if he had reported it to NOPD, why would they have not sent him for medical attention when they were interviewing him?

It's always bothered me that the JPSO just let him go. My guess is they thought he was involved in a drug deal gone bad and since he wouldn't talk, had no choice.

I still can't wrap my head around a finger so badly cut it needed surgery in Opelousas that wasn't addressed at Ochsner. I've often wondered if he didn't actually get that cut after he left there.

I always thought there was a window in which to stitch or repair a cut of about three hours. Surely they wouldn't have let him leave without repairing it, unless he signed himself out AMA.

Assuming that he had nerve/tendon damage, which is more than likely, it still wasn't life threatening so I don't find it strange at all that they sent him to a hand surgeon closer to his home. I'm sure they cleaned and bandaged it, then made it clear to him that if he was to regain use of it at all, he would need the surgery. Dr. Porubsky is an extremely capable surgeon, specializing on the hand. Of course, had any of his wounds be life threatening, surgery would have more than likely been done there, but that was not the case.

bessie
08-04-2012, 08:36 PM
Especially if he's saying he was robbed at a gas station downtown. He'd have had to passed all of those except Kenner if he was truly lost downtown and then accidentally cross the bridge to end up on the Westbank Expressway and then just stumble upon the Belle Chasse Highway to get to Ochsner.

And, if he had reported it to NOPD, why would they have not sent him for medical attention when they were interviewing him?

It's always bothered me that the JPSO just let him go. My guess is they thought he was involved in a drug deal gone bad and since he wouldn't talk, had no choice.

I still can't wrap my head around a finger so badly cut it needed surgery in Opelousas that wasn't addressed at Ochsner. I've often wondered if he didn't actually get that cut after he left there.

I always thought there was a window in which to stitch or repair a cut of about three hours. Surely they wouldn't have let him leave without repairing it, unless he signed himself out AMA.
He was seen at Ochsner Medical Center on Jefferson Hwy in Jefferson, LA. I do agree Ochsner is out of the way if he were driving around downtown. No matter which route he used to get to Ochsner from downtown, he would have passed other hospitals along the way.

http://klfy.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/JPSOCrimeReport.pdf

Angree Cajon
08-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Although AOMF is technically, physically in Jefferson parish, it's address is Orleans parish. Not sure if that would have anything to do w/ both LE interviewing him.
I don't think he would have said the mugging took place in Orleans, since he stated that he didn't know where he was??
The choice of Ochsner has always been problematic for me.
On his way into Nola he would have passed Ochsner- Kenner trauma, EJ, Lakeside Women's. in Nola, LSU Charity, Tulane, uptown, Touro, Ochsner-Baptist. Main campus for AOMF is a bit out of the way for the average non-resident. If he didn't know where he was attacked, why pick Ochsner?

I'm thinking, JMO he was traveling that road that runs parallel to the river, then crossed over at the closest intersection to cross the river and straight up to THAT particular Oschners.

Donamena
08-04-2012, 09:43 PM
I'm thinking, JMO he was traveling that road that runs parallel to the river, then crossed over at the closest intersection to cross the river and straight up to THAT particular Oschners.
One poster, way back, said the Heuy Long was closed that day.

bessie
08-04-2012, 09:51 PM
One poster, way back, said the Heuy Long was closed that day.
It was closed the entire weekend.



The Times Picayune
May 16, 2012

The Huey P. Long Bridge will be closed in both directions for 48 hours this weekend as crews begin demolishing the old lanes after traffic switched to new lanes last month as part of the $1.2 billion widening project.

http://www.nola.com/traffic/index.ssf/2012/05/huey_p_long_bridge_to_close_fo_1.html

KateB
08-05-2012, 01:20 AM
On the 27 page court document, we've figured out statements given by the defendant to OMC, JPSO, OGMC, GP, SJCSO, SFIO.

But there is one more business acronym listed under Section 2, As to Count 2,
f: On or about May 24, 2012, the defendant made statements to RY, of JRYC.
Has anyone figured out what business JRYC is?

Backwoods
08-05-2012, 01:21 AM
Earlier in the threads, we had a poster report (non-linked) that BSL also made an appearance at a Texas hospital.

Did anybody see anything in the recently-released from the prosecution document that could in any way relate or point to that? I didn't, but I very easily could have missed it.

Poster seemed quite confident and we have discussed the topic on several occasions in the threads -- but I guess it is classed as "rumor"...?

Surely, if that visit did take place, LE knows about it. Maybe just still investigating...?

MissKJN
08-05-2012, 01:45 AM
On the 27 page court document, we've figured out statements given by the defendant to OMC, JPSO, OGMC, GP, SJCSO, SFIO.

But there is one more business acronym listed under Section 2, As to Count 2,
f: On or about May 24, 2012, the defendant made statements to RY, of JRYC.
Has anyone figured out what business JRYC is?

I want to think it is the place/person he tried to bribe to remove the RSO from his DL-- I'm stumped on that acronym too!

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 01:45 AM
On the 27 page court document, we've figured out statements given by the defendant to OMC, JPSO, OGMC, GP, SJCSO, SFIO.

But there is one more business acronym listed under Section 2, As to Count 2,
f: On or about May 24, 2012, the defendant made statements to RY, of JRYC.
Has anyone figured out what business JRYC is?

John R Young Chevrolet is in Eunice. A car dealership. That's all I got as my best guess. Also there is a person's statement they have for "Dw B". This person works at/owns a body shop in same area. I hope its ok to list this name, as its on the court document for all to see.

gngr~snap
08-05-2012, 01:48 AM
Earlier in the threads, we had a poster report (non-linked) that BSL also made an appearance at a Texas hospital.

Did anybody see anything in the recently-released from the prosecution document that could in any way relate or point to that? I didn't, but I very easily could have missed it.

Poster seemed quite confident and we have discussed the topic on several occasions in the threads -- but I guess it is classed as "rumor"...?

Surely, if that visit did take place, LE knows about it. Maybe just still investigating...?

I'm SURE he had follow up somewhere after his surgery!
I also (think) he would need some sort of physical/occupational therapy
if there was nerve damage... BUT I am a pediatric nurse so I could be wrong!
He would also need a release to return to work... maybe that's where Tx comes in??? IDK

KateB
08-05-2012, 01:50 AM
John R Young Chevrolet is in Eunice. A car dealership. That's all I got as my best guess. Also there is a person's statement they have for "D B". This person works at/owns a body shop in same area. I hope its ok to list this name, as its on the court document for all to see.

I'm sure it is. Thanks! I was stuck thinking on some 'youth center' that made no sense at all.

bessie
08-05-2012, 02:13 AM
I looked for a reference to the TX hospital, too, but I didn't have time to get to the acronyms last night because I was working on the names. So if JRYC is a car dealership (and not a youth center or a yacht club :) ) are there any acronyms still un-ID'd which could be a hospital in Texas?

KateB
08-05-2012, 02:29 AM
I looked for a reference to the TX hospital, too, but I didn't have time to get to the acronyms last night because I was working on the names. So if JRYC is a car dealership (and not a youth center or a yacht club :) ) are there any acronyms still un-ID'd which could be a hospital in Texas?

Not that I see. And nothing for NOPD, either, unless its an Officer name without the agency name.

Luv2Fish
08-05-2012, 09:31 AM
I looked for a reference to the TX hospital, too, but I didn't have time to get to the acronyms last night because I was working on the names. So if JRYC is a car dealership (and not a youth center or a yacht club :) ) are there any acronyms still un-ID'd which could be a hospital in Texas?
This is my first post - i am a local and work in Automobile Retail (dealership). Just wanted to share that the JRYC might be a dealership in Eunice, LA. Not sure if i should put the name of the dealership on here - if you google Chevy Eunice Louisiana it should come up.

danzn16
08-05-2012, 11:16 AM
Assuming that he had nerve/tendon damage, which is more than likely, it still wasn't life threatening so I don't find it strange at all that they sent him to a hand surgeon closer to his home. I'm sure they cleaned and bandaged it, then made it clear to him that if he was to regain use of it at all, he would need the surgery. Dr. Porubsky is an extremely capable surgeon, specializing on the hand. Of course, had any of his wounds be life threatening, surgery would have more than likely been done there, but that was not the case.

Yes the patients I have had that cut tendons have surgery days after the event so I'm assuming this would also be the case with bsl

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danzn16
08-05-2012, 11:19 AM
I was wondering the same thing about the possible TX hospital visit. Do we know his date of surgery? I'm still thinking that he would need to go to the same doc for follow up if it was related to his surgery though.

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kjnmom
08-05-2012, 01:26 PM
I looked for a reference to the TX hospital, too, but I didn't have time to get to the acronyms last night because I was working on the names. So if JRYC is a car dealership (and not a youth center or a yacht club :) ) are there any acronyms still un-ID'd which could be a hospital in Texas?

Could the visit to a Texas medical facility have been to Wood Group's 'doctor' for a work release? Some companies require their doctor to complete an examination before an employee is allowed to return to work.

txlams
08-05-2012, 01:29 PM
I looked for a reference to the TX hospital, too, but I didn't have time to get to the acronyms last night because I was working on the names. So if JRYC is a car dealership (and not a youth center or a yacht club :) ) are there any acronyms still un-ID'd which could be a hospital in Texas?

I went back and looked at the document again, and I can't find any acronym that could be related to the hospital in Texas, but from the warrants listed, they do have knowledge of it. I also noticed that 2(m) is the latest date they note of BSL making statements to someone (at least that they have listed), and his trip to Tx would have been after that.

KateB
08-05-2012, 01:41 PM
This is my first post - i am a local and work in Automobile Retail (dealership). Just wanted to share that the JRYC might be a dealership in Eunice, LA. Not sure if i should put the name of the dealership on here - if you google Chevy Eunice Louisiana it should come up.

:welcome:

And thanks. That was the acronym I needed help with.

danzn16
08-05-2012, 01:41 PM
The person that said he went to a tx hospital may be confused with another brandon lavergne as the poster did not cite their source just said to trust him, from what I remember.

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txlams
08-05-2012, 01:44 PM
The person that said he went to a tx hospital may be confused with another brandon lavergne as the poster did not cite their source just said to trust him, from what I remember.

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It was me, although I never said to trust me. It is our BSL, and again, I am 100% sure. :)

ETA: It has also been confirmed by a second source.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 02:07 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned already but his orthodontist is in Odessa,TX. Must have been a pain to have to travel there for scheduled visits. Why wouldn't he have gotten that in Lafayette? I remember when I had braces a couple of years ago, I'd have to go at least every 4-6 weeks. Not related to his wounds, but I'm considering it doctor visits. Trying to stay on topic.

KateB
08-05-2012, 02:17 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned already but his orthodontist is in Odessa,TX. Must have been a pain to have to travel there for scheduled visits. Why wouldn't he have gotten that in Lafayette? I remember when I had braces a couple of years ago, I'd have to go at least every 4-6 weeks. Not related to his wounds, but I'm considering it doctor visits. Trying to stay on topic.

Are you sure? Odessa is 12 hours from Church Point. Difficult to drive that in one day, and seems odd for 24 hour hour drive round trip for an adjustment.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 02:41 PM
Are you sure? Odessa is 12 hours from Church Point. Difficult to drive that in one day, and seems odd for 24 hour hour drive round trip for an adjustment.

The name of his orthodontist is on that report. So I googled his name which I won't list here and his website came up as having office in Odessa. I thought it to be odd also.

Initials are RC. It specifically says orthodontist. I thought maybe he was just a dentist but his website says specifically orthodontics.

KateB
08-05-2012, 03:22 PM
The name of his orthodontist is on that report. So I googled his name which I won't list here and his website came up as having office in Odessa. I thought it to be odd also.

Initials are RC. It specifically says orthodontist. I thought maybe he was just a dentist but his website says specifically orthodontics.

Thank you. I do see that now. I thought that was for Lisa Pate's dental records for identification purposes since it was between LSU Forensic & the lineup shown to DT. But anything is possible.

kgeaux
08-05-2012, 03:46 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned already but his orthodontist is in Odessa,TX. Must have been a pain to have to travel there for scheduled visits. Why wouldn't he have gotten that in Lafayette? I remember when I had braces a couple of years ago, I'd have to go at least every 4-6 weeks. Not related to his wounds, but I'm considering it doctor visits. Trying to stay on topic.

There is something wrong with that! BSL had an ortho adjustment in Lafayette very shortly before his last offshore hitch.

A family member was doing her clinicals there at the time of BSL's arrest and the staff was talking about him.....they liked him, couldn't believe he was implicated in Mickey's disappearance.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 03:49 PM
Thank you. I do see that now. I thought that was for Lisa Pate's dental records for identification purposes since it was between LSU Forensic & the lineup shown to DT. But anything is possible.

So maybe that was LP's dental records? Anything is possible. I'd LOVE to see all the reports that are listed in the discovery 24 page thingy. BSL's braces were only touched on vaguely. No one really knew if he recently got them, or maybe (like me), he needed them twice in life. They aren't always just for straightening teeth. In my case I had jaw issues and a deep bite but teeth were straight. I wonder if RC was a dentist in the 90's and maybe he did the additional certification to become an orthodontist in the last 10 years. Its quite common for dentists to do that.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 03:50 PM
There is something wrong with that! BSL had an ortho adjustment in Lafayette very shortly before his last offshore hitch.

A family member was doing her clinicals there at the time of BSL's arrest and the staff was talking about him.....they liked him, couldn't believe he was implicated in Mickey's disappearance.

I also know that if you have braces and you're out of town for whatever reason and have an emergency, like a bracket coming off or wire poking, many orthodontists will help you since you're not home and its an emergency type situation. My Lafayette orthodontist would commonly see non patients.

designlove
08-05-2012, 05:00 PM
I looked for a reference to the TX hospital, too, but I didn't have time to get to the acronyms last night because I was working on the names. So if JRYC is a car dealership (and not a youth center or a yacht club :) ) are there any acronyms still un-ID'd which could be a hospital in Texas?

I found this if it helps. No JRYC

http://www.theagapecenter.com/Hospitals/Texas.htm#J

katie78
08-05-2012, 05:03 PM
There is something wrong with that! BSL had an ortho adjustment in Lafayette very shortly before his last offshore hitch.

A family member was doing her clinicals there at the time of BSL's arrest and the staff was talking about him.....they liked him, couldn't believe he was implicated in Mickey's disappearance.

I also have heard the same from someone else who works in the office of the orthodonist in Lafayette. The info about the orthodontist in TX will need some follow up IMO, as I've heard as well that LE believes he was in that area as well.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 05:04 PM
I found this if it helps. No JRYC

http://www.theagapecenter.com/Hospitals/Texas.htm#J

That's been figured out. Its over in the vehicle sub-thread

kgeaux
08-05-2012, 05:07 PM
I also know that if you have braces and you're out of town for whatever reason and have an emergency, like a bracket coming off or wire poking, many orthodontists will help you since you're not home and its an emergency type situation. My Lafayette orthodontist would commonly see non patients.

No, they said he was a patient of theirs, in for a routine procedure.....tightening, if I recall.


I also have heard the same from someone else who works in the office of the orthodonist in Lafayette. The info about the orthodontist in TX will need some follow up IMO, as I've heard as well that LE believes he was in that area as well.

LE believes he was in Odessa? When?

katie78
08-05-2012, 05:09 PM
I also know that if you have braces and you're out of town for whatever reason and have an emergency, like a bracket coming off or wire poking, many orthodontists will help you since you're not home and its an emergency type situation. My Lafayette orthodontist would commonly see non patients.

That's a very good point! I can't find the "RC' you mention though, is it listed under search warrants or permission to search forms?

katie78
08-05-2012, 05:18 PM
No, they said he was a patient of theirs, in for a routine procedure.....tightening, if I recall.



LE believes he was in Odessa? When?

I'm thinking the previous poster meant BL was in Odessa and saw an orthodontist there for a emergency visit. I have heard from an acquaintance that works around LE that they had tracked his movements in that area. The mention of a possible orthodontist visit in the same area just kind of resonated with me.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 06:16 PM
That's a very good point! I can't find the "RC' you mention though, is it listed under search warrants or permission to search forms?

Page 16. Volume 1, letter "E"

http://www.theadvertiser.com/assets/pdf/DG19295683.PDF

Edited to reflect this appears to be in relation to LP. But does that mean he had braces in 1999 and now for a second time in 2012? I don't know. I'm just saying I went through braces twice in life and maybe Dr "RC" was a dentist in 1999 that BSL saw and upgraded from dentist to orthodontist in last 10 or so years. Could be LP's dentist/orthodontist also, if its in relation to the case from 1999. I know its been widely discussed that BSL's orthodontist is in Lafayette, but maybe Dr "RC" saw him in Odessa if he needed treatment for his braces and it couldn't wait until he got back to Lafayette to see his own orthodontist.

danzn16
08-05-2012, 06:43 PM
It was me, although I never said to trust me. It is our BSL, and again, I am 100% sure. :)

ETA: It has also been confirmed by a second source.

Thanks I must have remembered wrong then. Sorry!

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danzn16
08-05-2012, 06:48 PM
Txlams are we on the right track with the doctor visit being an orthodontist? Didn't you say specifically it was a hospital visit?

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txlams
08-05-2012, 06:56 PM
Txlams are we on the right track with the doctor visit being an orthodontist? Didn't you say specifically it was a hospital visit?

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I am unaware of an orthodontist visit, especially in Odessa, Tx. West Texas is really far away. I find it weird. I'm not saying he didn't go, I just haven't heard of it. Specifically for me, yes, he did visit a hospital in Texas.

K.jill
08-05-2012, 07:06 PM
I am unaware of an orthodontist visit, especially in Odessa, Tx. West Texas is really far away. I find it weird. I'm not saying he didn't go, I just haven't heard of it. Specifically for me, yes, he did visit a hospital in Texas.

Do you see the initials of the hospital in the report?

katie78
08-05-2012, 07:07 PM
Page 16. Volume 1, letter "E"

http://www.theadvertiser.com/assets/pdf/DG19295683.PDF

Edited to reflect this appears to be in relation to LP. But does that mean he had braces in 1999 and now for a second time in 2012? I don't know. I'm just saying I went through braces twice in life and maybe Dr "RC" was a dentist in 1999 that BSL saw and upgraded from dentist to orthodontist in last 10 or so years. Could be LP's dentist/orthodontist also, if its in relation to the case from 1999. I know its been widely discussed that BSL's orthodontist is in Lafayette, but maybe Dr "RC" saw him in Odessa if he needed treatment for his braces and it couldn't wait until he got back to Lafayette to see his own orthodontist.

http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/pathology/faculty_detail.aspx?name=carr_ronald
Could it be this Dr. Ronald Carr? Specialty of Forensic odontology listed, based in NOLA, affiliated with LSU, etc. That seems possible to me since it's listed with the Lisa Pate records and she was (according to published reports) ID'd by LSU Anthropology dept. using dental records. Also the Odessa orthodontist's site states he's practiced in Odessa since 1994 and before that was in Dallas from 1988 when he graduated to 1994, so I'm not seeing where it'd be likely BL was ever a patient of his.

txlams
08-05-2012, 07:11 PM
Do you see the initials of the hospital in the report?

Browse up a few posts, and you'll see my answer there.

SteveP
08-05-2012, 07:17 PM
I cant imagine that they would, but could LE have talked to someone at the hospital in Texas "off the record" and never filed a report? I would find that difficult to believe, bc I dont think they would be able to use anything they learned in his trial, but I am perplexed as to why there is no record of it, if he actually went there...and I am not doubting that he may have. Could he have wised up by then and used a fake ID when being seen? But even then, LE seems to know he was there and there is seemingly no report.

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 07:42 PM
http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/pathology/faculty_detail.aspx?name=carr_ronald
Could it be this Dr. Ronald Carr? Specialty of Forensic odontology listed, based in NOLA, affiliated with LSU, etc. That seems possible to me since it's listed with the Lisa Pate records and she was (according to published reports) ID'd by LSU Anthropology dept. using dental records. Also the Odessa orthodontist's site states he's practiced in Odessa since 1994 and before that was in Dallas from 1988 when he graduated to 1994, so I'm not seeing where it'd be likely BL was ever a patient of his.

This is probably correct. I was just reaching based on a google search of the name of "RC". Odd that there are 2 "RC's" same exact name who deal with odontics. Maybe father and son?

Backwoods
08-05-2012, 09:21 PM
I cant imagine that they would, but could LE have talked to someone at the hospital in Texas "off the record" and never filed a report? I would find that difficult to believe, bc I dont think they would be able to use anything they learned in his trial, but I am perplexed as to why there is no record of it, if he actually went there...and I am not doubting that he may have. Could he have wised up by then and used a fake ID when being seen? But even then, LE seems to know he was there and there is seemingly no report.

I believe the investigation is still ongoing -- the document released seems really a kind of preliminary one, and I believe it can be added to. Maybe, if there is a Texas hospital link, they are still working on it.

designlove
08-05-2012, 09:26 PM
That's been figured out. Its over in the vehicle sub-thread

Thank you!!

ETA: Found it

dejavoodoo64
08-05-2012, 09:53 PM
I'm not caught up yet, but I have found a John R Young Chevrolet in Eunice, La. Don't know if it's relevant, maybe where BSL bought his last truck?

whatsthatnoise
08-05-2012, 10:25 PM
I'm not caught up yet, but I have found a John R Young Chevrolet in Eunice, La. Don't know if it's relevant, maybe where BSL bought his last truck?

That's over in the "Tracking BSL vehicles" subthread. This one is just for his hospital visits/doctor visits/wounds. Its tough to keep it separated and posts in different places, I know! I'm trying really hard to make sure I am sticking to topics. Growing pains

bessie
08-05-2012, 10:58 PM
http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/pathology/faculty_detail.aspx?name=carr_ronald
Could it be this Dr. Ronald Carr? Specialty of Forensic odontology listed, based in NOLA, affiliated with LSU, etc. That seems possible to me since it's listed with the Lisa Pate records and she was (according to published reports) ID'd by LSU Anthropology dept. using dental records. Also the Odessa orthodontist's site states he's practiced in Odessa since 1994 and before that was in Dallas from 1988 when he graduated to 1994, so I'm not seeing where it'd be likely BL was ever a patient of his.
This explanation makes the most sense, imo. LP was ID'd through her dental records, and Dr RC was probably the doctor who did the comparison.


Forensic dentistry or forensic odontology is the proper handling, examination and evaluation of dental evidence, which will be then presented in the interest of justice. The evidence that may be derived from teeth, is the age (in children) and identification of the person to whom the teeth belong. This is done using dental records including radiographs, ante-mortem (prior to death) and post-mortem photographs and DNA

Forensic dentistry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now what I'd like to know is why was a warrant issued for BSL's orthodontic records?

kjnmom
08-05-2012, 11:01 PM
This explanation makes the most sense, imo. LP was ID'd through her dental records, and Dr RC was probably the doctor who did the comparison.



Forensic dentistry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_dentistry)

Now what I'd like to know is why was a warrant issued for BSL's orthodontic records?

I am hoping Mickey kicked him in the mouth!

Kitty Stiletto
08-05-2012, 11:29 PM
He was seen at Ochsner Medical Center on Jefferson Hwy in Jefferson, LA. I do agree Ochsner is out of the way if he were driving around downtown. No matter which route he used to get to Ochsner from downtown, he would have passed other hospitals along the way.

http://klfy.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/JPSOCrimeReport.pdf

Agreed. Although that Ochsner location is probably less than 3 miles from the N.O./Jeff line, even if he was driving in the Claiborne/Carrollton area, the big blue "H" signs (signifying hospital) seem to direct to Baptist Hospital in N.O. Why he would ignore that to do down Jefferson Hwy is beyond me.

bessie
08-06-2012, 12:30 AM
Agreed. Although that Ochsner location is probably less than 3 miles from the N.O./Jeff line, even if he was driving in the Claiborne/Carrollton area, the big blue "H" signs (signifying hospital) seem to direct to Baptist Hospital in N.O. Why he would ignore that to do down Jefferson Hwy is beyond me.

Exactly!

Ochsner on Jefferson Hwy is less than a mile from the parish line, btw. Doesn't change your point though.

I know many patients travel to Ochsner from other areas of Louisiana because it offers a higher level of care. I have a hunch BSL was familiar with Ochsner because a relative had been treated there. JMO

K.jill
08-06-2012, 12:31 AM
Bsl was supposed to take his dad home from the hospital on may 20. He tells his family he was mugged in NO that day,in the afternoon. I am sure his family wondered why he would be in NO the day he was supposed to pick up his dad.
Could picking his dad up been a stressor?

hsmom2
08-06-2012, 01:32 AM
Agreed. Although that Ochsner location is probably less than 3 miles from the N.O./Jeff line, even if he was driving in the Claiborne/Carrollton area, the big blue "H" signs (signifying hospital) seem to direct to Baptist Hospital in N.O. Why he would ignore that to do down Jefferson Hwy is beyond me.

IMO, just more proof that the whole "mugging" story was fiction. He is, IMO, familiar with this area. He probably came close to here every time he went offshore.

hsmom2
08-06-2012, 01:36 AM
Bsl was supposed to take his dad home from the hospital on may 20. He tells his family he was mugged in NO that day,in the afternoon. I am sure his family wondered why he would be in NO the day he was supposed to pick up his dad.
Could picking his dad up been a stressor?

IIRC, the report written by deputy, JPSO, was dated May 19. The DA document has this wrong (unless the deputy didn't file report until May 20, because it was so late). He was in NO on May 19.

K.jill
08-06-2012, 01:41 AM
IIRC, the report written by deputy, JPSO, was dated May 19. The DA document has this wrong (unless the deputy didn't file report until May 20, because it was so late). He was in NO on May 19.

You are right, it was the 19th. The 19th is also the day he was supposed to pick up his dad.

Backwoods
08-06-2012, 03:54 AM
Exactly!

Ochsner on Jefferson Hwy is less than a mile from the parish line, btw. Doesn't change your point though.

I know many patients travel to Ochsner from other areas of Louisiana because it offers a higher level of care. I have a hunch BSL was familiar with Ochsner because a relative had been treated there. JMO

bbm: Or maybe even he himself had been, at some point.

StacyMarie83
08-06-2012, 04:39 AM
maybe they found a piece of tooth that wasn't either of the girls?! Or maybe he chewed on a license or some other belonging of LP or MS?!

dejavoodoo64
08-06-2012, 07:40 AM
That's over in the "Tracking BSL vehicles" subthread. This one is just for his hospital visits/doctor visits/wounds. Its tough to keep it separated and posts in different places, I know! I'm trying really hard to make sure I am sticking to topics. Growing pains

ooops I goofed. Thanks whatsthatnoise.

/You know I can't stay away from trucks.

dejavoodoo64
08-06-2012, 08:06 AM
Ok I'm trying to learn about sleuthing as I go along and read, and I'm way behind all of ya'lls level.

The orthodontists records concern me some. I can't think of any reason other than a bite mark. Now on who or what? Lisa Pates body was badly decomposed so no bitemark there right? Mickey has not been found so that leaves possible other victims that had bite marks before they decomposed. Or it leaves the gruesome thought that parts have been found with bite marks. It wasn't accepted too well when I mentioned it back in the general discussion thread and thats no problem. Its just I can't see any other reasons for getting those records other than bite marks found somewhere. JMO

ATasteOfHoney
08-06-2012, 09:44 AM
Ok I'm trying to learn about sleuthing as I go along and read, and I'm way behind all of ya'lls level.

The orthodontists records concern me some. I can't think of any reason other than a bite mark. Now on who or what? Lisa Pates body was badly decomposed so no bitemark there right? Mickey has not been found so that leaves possible other victims that had bite marks before they decomposed. Or it leaves the gruesome thought that parts have been found with bite marks. It wasn't accepted too well when I mentioned it back in the general discussion thread and thats no problem. Its just I can't see any other reasons for getting those records other than bite marks found somewhere. JMO

As another poster said, perhaps LE found a dislodged tooth found with various DNA on it.....so no, it does not necessarily have to do with a bite per se. Teeth get kicked out during violent events.

LAFtoSPRING
08-06-2012, 10:47 AM
Bsl was supposed to take his dad home from the hospital on may 20. He tells his family he was mugged in NO that day,in the afternoon. I am sure his family wondered why he would be in NO the day he was supposed to pick up his dad.
Could picking his dad up been a stressor?

On 7/12 Someguy posted:

About a week before she went missing, Brandon's father had some serious health problems and had to be hospitalized. He was in the hospital for a total of 2 weeks and she went missing about halfway through his stay. Towards the end of his hospital stay it was strange that Brandon wasn't around and when his father was being released and it was strange that he wasn't around to come pick him up from the hospital.

yes this is correct, Brandon's adoptive father was in the hospital and is alive and doing okay health wise. Brandon's parents did divorce and his mother pretty much distanced herself from our side of the family so I don't know too much about what she did after that but she did start seeing someone else, I'm not sure if they got married because why would her name still be Lavergne unless his name was Lavergne as well or she kept her name which both i guess are possible. He did pass away however about a year ago.

jarabie
08-06-2012, 06:57 PM
On 7/12 Someguy posted:

About a week before she went missing, Brandon's father had some serious health problems and had to be hospitalized. He was in the hospital for a total of 2 weeks and she went missing about halfway through his stay. Towards the end of his hospital stay it was strange that Brandon wasn't around and when his father was being released and it was strange that he wasn't around to come pick him up from the hospital.

yes this is correct, Brandon's adoptive father was in the hospital and is alive and doing okay health wise. Brandon's parents did divorce and his mother pretty much distanced herself from our side of the family so I don't know too much about what she did after that but she did start seeing someone else, I'm not sure if they got married because why would her name still be Lavergne unless his name was Lavergne as well or she kept her name which both i guess are possible. He did pass away however about a year ago.
So you are related to Brandon how?
Am I the only one who is not ready to convict him before the trial where all the evidence is heard? Sounds like he needs a change of venue from what I have read?

Donamena
08-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Agreed. Although that Ochsner location is probably less than 3 miles from the N.O./Jeff line, even if he was driving in the Claiborne/Carrollton area, the big blue "H" signs (signifying hospital) seem to direct to Baptist Hospital in N.O. Why he would ignore that to do down Jefferson Hwy is beyond me.
On another sub-thread, ginger snap mused on the idea of the 'most inconspicuous way to get to Ochsner'. Sorry, as a Luddite, I can't be birthin no links...
River road runs right into Ochsner's ER...smart girl.

whatsthatnoise
08-06-2012, 08:25 PM
ooops I goofed. Thanks whatsthatnoise.

/You know I can't stay away from trucks.

LOL. You are fine. I know that a lot of people aren't sure where to post or read now with all these subthreads. I was just trying to help and do my part. Its confusing that there are 2 subthreads related to the truck/vehicles. Most people are staying away from the DWT one though, and talking more about everything that transpired with the trucks on this thread. All these subthreads now probably are giving mods a headache with having to monitor 10+ subthreads now, vs just 1 general discussion thread.

bessie
08-06-2012, 09:18 PM
Ok I'm trying to learn about sleuthing as I go along and read, and I'm way behind all of ya'lls level.

The orthodontists records concern me some. I can't think of any reason other than a bite mark. Now on who or what? Lisa Pates body was badly decomposed so no bitemark there right? Mickey has not been found so that leaves possible other victims that had bite marks before they decomposed. Or it leaves the gruesome thought that parts have been found with bite marks. It wasn't accepted too well when I mentioned it back in the general discussion thread and thats no problem. Its just I can't see any other reasons for getting those records other than bite marks found somewhere. JMO

What crossed my mind is a photograph found among BSL's souvenirs.

gngr~snap
08-06-2012, 09:26 PM
What crossed my mind is a photograph found among BSL's souvenirs.

A bite? From him or to him?
I think TO him!
moo

dejavoodoo64
08-06-2012, 09:38 PM
What crossed my mind is a photograph found among BSL's souvenirs.

I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean a photograph of bite marks on someone? Then the picture would show a particular pattern or irregularity they might can match?

dejavoodoo64
08-06-2012, 09:46 PM
A bite? From him or to him?
I think TO him!
moo

Do you mean he has a bite mark on him and he is saying that he bit himself and LE has to prove he didn't and that the bite mark came from Mickey? Wouldn't they want her dental records? Or is that something we aren't privy to?

bessie
08-06-2012, 09:53 PM
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean a photograph of bite marks on someone? Then the picture would show a particular pattern or irregularity they might can match?
Yes, that was my thought, and I might be totally off base. I was merely thinking of a reason why his orthodontic records are important. Since MS's body hasn't been recovered, and LP's body was skeletonized, a photograph of a bitemark on a victim's body seemed like a possibility.

Passnthru
08-06-2012, 10:03 PM
What crossed my mind is a photograph found among BSL's souvenirs.

I wonder if it could be a bite mark on a totally different unsolved victim that they are looking into also from the past that is now considered a cold case.

FlamingoLady
08-06-2012, 10:09 PM
I wonder if it could be a bite mark on a totally different unsolved victim that they are looking into also from the past that is now considered a cold case.

Or possibly evidence of BSL simply trying to "alter" his appearance.
Or possibly BSL incurred dental damage in another case they may be looking at.
Or possibly another avenue in which they obtained DNA.

gngr~snap
08-06-2012, 10:47 PM
His teeth "seemed" fine before...
At 33 why seek orthodontia?
They take preliminary films... he would be exposed
SO IMO it WAS due to a recent "injury" that required
the care of an orthodontist.
moo

Jkg005
08-06-2012, 10:52 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned already but his orthodontist is in Odessa,TX. Must have been a pain to have to travel there for scheduled visits. Why wouldn't he have gotten that in Lafayette? I remember when I had braces a couple of years ago, I'd have to go at least every 4-6 weeks. Not related to his wounds, but I'm considering it doctor visits. Trying to stay on topic.

Things that make you go huh!!!!!!!

bessie
08-06-2012, 10:58 PM
Things that make you go huh!!!!!!!

Actually, it seems the Odessa dentist might not be BSL's


http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/pathology/faculty_detail.aspx?name=carr_ronald
Could it be this Dr. Ronald Carr? Specialty of Forensic odontology listed, based in NOLA, affiliated with LSU, etc. That seems possible to me since it's listed with the Lisa Pate records and she was (according to published reports) ID'd by LSU Anthropology dept. using dental records. Also the Odessa orthodontist's site states he's practiced in Odessa since 1994 and before that was in Dallas from 1988 when he graduated to 1994, so I'm not seeing where it'd be likely BL was ever a patient of his.

This explanation makes the most sense, imo. LP was ID'd through her dental records, and Dr RC was probably the doctor who did the comparison.


Forensic dentistry or forensic odontology is the proper handling, examination and evaluation of dental evidence, which will be then presented in the interest of justice. The evidence that may be derived from teeth, is the age (in children) and identification of the person to whom the teeth belong. This is done using dental records including radiographs, ante-mortem (prior to death) and post-mortem photographs and DNAForensic dentistry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bessie
08-06-2012, 11:00 PM
His teeth "seemed" fine before...
At 33 why seek orthodontia?
They take preliminary films... he would be exposed
SO IMO it WAS due to a recent "injury" that required
the care of an orthodontist.
moo

An adjustment?

gngr~snap
08-06-2012, 11:04 PM
An adjustment?

Yes, but I wanna when he got "braces" to begin with!

and... why....

Jkg005
08-06-2012, 11:16 PM
Actually, it seems the Odessa dentist might not be BSL's


Thanks Bessie I saw that right after I posted it. I was just thinking about possible missing persons there and that would have given him a good reason to be there. BSL seems quite the traveler, yet managed to get lost after he was attacked.

MissKJN
08-07-2012, 02:16 AM
This is interesting. I would imagine that the orthodontist would have old pics of his bite and current. I do know that they can use a photo of a bite to match a person's bite--I went to a sexual assault lecture and the folks from the crime lab showed this! It is just amazing the technology and how they can use it now. Maybe there were some cold cases and something makes me feel like there is other evidence such as photos. I cannot think of any other reason why those records would be pertinent...either to rule in or rule out his teeth prints from something.

bessie
08-07-2012, 02:26 AM
This is interesting. I would imagine that the orthodontist would have old pics of his bite and current. I do know that they can use a photo of a bite to match a person's bite--I went to a sexual assault lecture and the folks from the crime lab showed this! It is just amazing the technology and how they can use it now. Maybe there were some cold cases and something makes me feel like there is other evidence such as photos. I cannot think of any other reason why those records would be pertinent...either to rule in or rule out his teeth prints from something.

Yep. :yes: It's the only reason I can see based on what we know.

Backwoods
08-07-2012, 03:18 AM
So you are related to Brandon how?
Am I the only one who is not ready to convict him before the trial where all the evidence is heard? Sounds like he needs a change of venue from what I have read?

bbm: No, you're not the only one -- I generally keep the "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" mindset on all cases. Not to say I never lean one way or another -- I just know that things can turn out to be far different than they appear at certain points.

jujube
08-07-2012, 11:08 PM
His teeth "seemed" fine before...
At 33 why seek orthodontia?
They take preliminary films... he would be exposed
SO IMO it WAS due to a recent "injury" that required
the care of an orthodontist.
moo

I know several people who got braces in their 30s and one in her 40s. It's not uncommon. In BSL's case, it was probably done to change his bite if he did bite Mickey. Of course now her skin would have broken down too much for identification purposes.

momof7
08-09-2012, 12:12 PM
Assuming that he had nerve/tendon damage, which is more than likely, it still wasn't life threatening so I don't find it strange at all that they sent him to a hand surgeon closer to his home. I'm sure they cleaned and bandaged it, then made it clear to him that if he was to regain use of it at all, he would need the surgery. Dr. Porubsky is an extremely capable surgeon, specializing on the hand. Of course, had any of his wounds be life threatening, surgery would have more than likely been done there, but that was not the case.

I posted in another thread about an injury to my thumb years ago from a stupid move on my part trying to open a Christmas gift with a knife :waitasec:

In the ER, they discovered I cut the nerve and tendon and sewed it up right then. I went to an orthopedic dr a week later for a follow up. Other than a bandage to keep the area clean, though it was thick because the area AROUND the injury itself did hurt like the dickens while healing, in a weeks time it was well on its way to being fine. Not a 'bad' injury..just a stupid one. Even though they did a great job at the ER, I still have numbness in that thumb and little feeling. Small scar. Anyway, so telling at checkin it was from surgery, could be from when he was in ER not necessarily at dr office. Has it been confirmed he had ACTUAL surgery at this drs office?

I think, personally, it would be nice to know how 'bad' the injury was. BSL and the friend are the ones saying the finger was almost 'cut off' but maybe it wasn't as bad as that. Maybe it was very deep and did damage but maybe the location was similar to mine, the length of the finger as opposed to the width of the finger..if that makes since. Up and down as opposed to a horizontal.

Just thinking..as always imho.

Kelly

StreetcarRider
08-09-2012, 02:21 PM
While Lavergne's orthodontist records might be pertinent to the murders, it's also possible that they're of no particular relevance. In preparation for any murder trial, the involved attorneys would file a HIPAA release requesting any and all medical records for the defendant and other involved parties. This would include mental health records, medical health records, and dental records. From what I can tell in the disclosure, the state is simply turning over all of Lavergne's records to the defense as part of the discovery process, not that the orthodontist records are of any special interest.

The fact that Lavergne's more recent medical records from Ochsner or Opelousas aren't listed under the discovery documents for Count 2 (Mickey Shunick) indicates that the state wasn't in possession of those documents at the time of the filing of the disclosure.

It's possible that the only reason the orthodontist's records are included in the disclosure is that the orthodontist has been the only medical provider to comply with the HIPAA release thus far. It can take months for individual doctors and hospitals to respond to a records request, even in high-profile cases.

justwannahelp
08-09-2012, 02:59 PM
it's a very long stretch, but maybe they want his orthodontic records for pictures of his face and neck from the past? they take pictures before, during, and after your braces to monitor change. Is it possible that they are looking for pictures of him during a certain time frame to see a wound or scratch marks or black eye? Maybe there's another possible victim that they think may have fought back? pictures from the Orthodontist would have dates on them.

Mickey or some other earlier victim (if there are any) may have hit or kicked him in the mouth. with braces, that hurts soooooo bad and causes cuts IN your mouth. (no one has purposely hit me in my mouth, but during gymnastics in highschool, i got kicked in the mouth accidentally.) maybe they made note of cuts in his mouth??

just brainstorming

most likely, they just want ALL records of him from EVERYWHERE. you never know what can help in an investigation

justwannahelp
08-10-2012, 12:19 AM
has anyone other than someguy ever said that he was abused? I'm starting to wonder if someguy was mistaken. it's too long to type why i'm thinking that, so I'll wait until someone tells me, yes or no, that others have confirmed that he was abused

gngr~snap
08-10-2012, 01:02 AM
:dunno: A wound like what we have been told, really would have resulted from "grabbing" a knife (a defensive wound) ~ or from "slipping" while stabbing a victim...
We will have answers soon! I PRAY it is the first scenario and NOT the second!

If Mickey was stabbed... my ♥ will break again.

The wound has zero to do with the handle bars grips IMO...
Mr Shunick stated they were not "cut"...
all ~jmo

If anyone needs examples or the above scenarios I can provide them...
they are gruesome.

katie78
08-10-2012, 01:07 AM
has anyone other than someguy ever said that he was abused? I'm starting to wonder if someguy was mistaken. it's too long to type why i'm thinking that, so I'll wait until someone tells me, yes or no, that others have confirmed that he was abused

As far as I know, someguy's post was the only reference to abuse.

jessica-
08-10-2012, 03:19 AM
Yes, but I wanna when he got "braces" to begin with!

and... why....

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but do you think he got braces to change the shape of his teeth. Not for cosmetic reasons but maybe reasons to do with having his bite marks on file from other attacks. Maybe he was trying to stay one step ahead of the game and decided getting braces to change his bite marks would throw the cops off. JMO

gngr~snap
08-10-2012, 03:24 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but do you think he got braces to change the shape of his teeth. Not for cosmetic reasons but maybe reasons to do with having his bite marks on file from other attacks. Maybe he was trying to stay one step ahead of the game and decided getting braces to change his bite marks would throw the cops off. JMO

the dentist or orthodontist would have pics/molds of the teeth before treatment began... POINTLESS in trying to HIDE any past or future crime.
IMO the orthodontia was done due to an injury he sustained in a fight
or accident.
JMO

jessica-
08-10-2012, 03:41 AM
the dentist or orthodontist would have pics/molds of the teeth before treatment began... POINTLESS in trying to HIDE any past or future crime.
IMO the orthodontia was done due to an injury he sustained in a fight
or accident.
JMO

I see your point, and I HOPE Mickey got him really good. I just cringe when I think of this monster. R.I.P Mickey :(

gngr~snap
08-12-2012, 05:43 AM
This thought came up on the DWT thread...

post 117
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180860&page=5


~respectfully snipped for this thread...
(But what do I know? I'm still seeing pink or lavender graffiti-like lettering on the other pic that no one else sees.)
From this pic...25518

It evolved into BSL's "poison ivy rash"

Could it be mace on the door? Pink "Stinker" mace? :what:http://www.pinkstinker.com/photos/lineUp.jpg

http://www.pinkstinker.com/

The CEO ie. "perp" spends a little time on his knees after being "maced"
here is the video...
CEO gets shot with Pink Stinker pink pepper spray - YouTube

How long does the pink dye last on the skin?
http://www.pinkstinker.com/faq.php?topic=dye

"One test involved only eight seconds of exposure followed immediately with forty-five minutes of continuous rinsing with water. The result was a vivid baby pink coloration lasting over eighteen hours."

How long was it until we think he showed up at the ER? 8pm (ish)~that's 18 hours...
~jmo

Any chance that this MAY have happened to BSL?
Was this the reason for the delay in treatment?

This is a discussion about BSL's wounds and hospital visits...
not the DWT...
JUST to clarify the subject matter here...:moo:

If so I am having CROW for dinner!