Killer Types

[Jayelles]

There are serial killers - people who kill for pleasure. Then there are crimes of passion - the husband who catches his wife in flagrante delicto with the milkman.

We really have no idea what kind of killing the Ramsey murder fits into.

Many people theorise that a family member did it and that it was covered up. Others believe an intruder did it - but for what reason? Very few child murders happen as a result of a stranger breaking into the home. Fewer still occur on Christmas Day - when people are at home, maybe entertaining friends.

Now if JonBenet were killed by a serial killer, perhaps the pleasure factor was so strong that it overruled any natural fear of being caught. However, does it seem likely that such a fearless and perverted killer would resist the urge to do it again .... and again .....? That's 8 years.

So if this was a crime of passion - what "passion" would be strong enough for someone to kill a defenceless child? What hatred could overcome the natural urge to protect a little child from harm and to carry out a crime like this in cold blood?

[Camper]

Heavy question Jayelles! How about a cover up. How about a child that was going to tell ?something? that would destroy a family?

Hard to imagine what the reason was for JonBenets murder, an accident OR?



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[gaia]

I dunno, but I believe anyone who'd walk into a foreign house, find a child they might or might not be addicted to, murder her, stage her body in the basement, write a ransom note, and get away without ANY detection is HOUDINI. Has to be. Most people interested in messing with a child are sick, on drugs most of the time, and debilitated. If a foreign faction were involved, these folks must be damned stupid. No planning, lots of screw-ups, bad cover-up. Nah. That's not very plausible. Sick people (ie. child molesters) are often not just sick in the mind, they're often unable to hold down a job, have familial relationships, and are on drugs to mostly nullify their urges. C'mon, folks. People like that aren't going to be very successful in entering a house like this, doing what they want, and escaping without leaving evidence of consequence. Foreign factions would most surely plan much better and make sure to retrieve the object of their desired intention - money. Please help me. I'm mostly just venting, but I'd love some direction on this. I need good arguments. :bang:

[BrotherMoon]

I think one of the difficulties in understanding this case is thinking in terms of killing. I think Patsy stopped JonBenet's life for sure, but the goal of her actions was not killing. Patsy used JonBenet as an object in her private fantasy life. Patsy did things to the object in order to participate with the fantasy and the object died in the process. The ending of the girl's life was just one event in a long process known as a progressive psychosis. In such a psychosis the sufferer can't tell the diference between themselves and the object. Everything Patsy did to the object, she was doing to herself, in her mind by proxy. Patsy had to separate the soul of the object from the body, so the soul could go to heaven. The object had to die, but that was ancillary to the main goal: JonBenet is in a heaven with a God.

[concernedperson]

I think one of the difficulties in understanding this case is thinking in terms of killing. I think Patsy stopped JonBenet's life for sure, but the goal of her actions was not killing. Patsy used JonBenet as an object in her private fantasy life. Patsy did things to the object in order to participate with the fantasy and the object died in the process. The ending of the girl's life was just one event in a long process known as a progressive psychosis. In such a psychosis the sufferer can't tell the diference between themselves and the object. Everything Patsy did to the object, she was doing to herself, in her mind by proxy. Patsy had to separate the soul of the object from the body, so the soul could go to heaven. The object had to die, but that was ancillary to the main goal: JonBenet is in a heaven with a God.

Please excuse my lack of understanding, but could this be similar to Andrea Yates and Deanna Laney? Laney was convinced she was doing God's work according to her taped testimony. And she proceeded to stone two of her children to death....the third lived, a baby, but with serious repercussions.

[BrotherMoon]

Yes and no. The "mechanics" of the psychosis is similar, but the content of the psychosis is different for each person.

And in each case, "God" is both an objective archetypal factor and a personal factor in the psyche of the killer. Thus the killer has moral responsibility but will not recognize it as the killer cannot tell the difference between itself and the object. The only way out of the psychosis is to reach a level of rationality and morality to admit to oneself and the world that they were wrong about knowing God intimately and that they sacrificed someone's life to avoid becoming self sacrificing.

[Camper]

Yes and no. The "mechanics" of the psychosis is similar, but the content of the psychosis is different for each person.

And in each case, "God" is both an objective archetypal factor and a personal factor in the psyche of the killer. Thus the killer has moral responsibility but will not recognize it as the killer cannot tell the difference between itself and the object. The only way out of the psychosis is to reach a level of rationality and morality to admit to oneself and the world that they were wrong about knowing God intimately and that they sacrificed someone's life to avoid becoming self sacrificing.



---------------->>>>Brother Moon, your explanations of the intricacies of the 'sick' human mind, as it pertains to this particular case, are interesting to say the least.

If you would be so kind as to tell us your intellectual area of study, the type of degree you may hold in this science? I am not asking for personal information here, but just the route you have taken in study to achieve this degree of understanding.

Then IF IF you are familiar with 'any' murder cases where this type of mental problem existed with the killer and what 'sentence' the killer received. Did they end up in a place like "One Flew Over The Coo Coo's Nest"?

Edited to add: Have you ever found yourself in a courtroom testifying to this type of behavior, and what might the circumstance have been?

Thanks.
Camper

[packerdog]

OMG Jayelles I was just thinking about the very same things yesterday. Why would someone break into a house with a family home to kill a 6yr.old child? A pedophile would maybe pull a Westerfield and take the child with him so he could satisfy himself. Who would take the time to make a garrote? Why wouldn't he just strangle her with his bare hands? I would think if someone really wanted to kidnap her for randsom they would have done so while she was in the yard playing or some other time, not from her bed with her family home.This just makes no sense to me.

I think Patsy was getting JB ready for bed and wanted her to go potty first and she resisted Patsy. Patsy then might have pushed her into the bathroom and JB hit her head on one of the fixtures, like the tub or toliet. JB was in bad shape due to the crack in her skull and if she had lived she would tell what happened and no way Patsy wanted that so she staged the whole thing.

[princessmer81]

BrotherMoon -

Wow. That is pretty insightful.

I want to make sure that I understand what you have said...

"Thus the killer has moral responsibility but will not recognize it as the killer cannot tell the difference between itself and the object."

Are you saying that Patsy and these other women who killed their children cannot tell the difference between themselves and their children? So they think that God wants them to kill themselves or a part of themselves so they kill their children which they see as being part of themselves?

"The only way out of the psychosis is to reach a level of rationality and morality to admit to oneself and the world that they were wrong about knowing God intimately and that they sacrificed someone's life to avoid becoming self sacrificing."
So these women don't really think that they have done anything wrong. The only way that they would realize that they did something wrong would be if they also realized that they sacrificed another person's life and not their own?

[sissi]

The meat and potatoes seems to be the killer was nuts, right Brother Moon?
Why does it have to be Patsy? She can't quite live down that monologue in your eyes? Ya' know what, I think you are giving her far too much credit, IMO she isn't that "deep". She didn't have any problem with her reality, her reality was queen on her throne with the ability to call most shots except of course that nasty health turn.
You , likely, are right, in your portrayal of the perp, if it was someone like Fleet (who I believe took quite a manic turn that Christmas), or if someone like Santa who just seemed "gone". (perhaps he had a little event during his surgery that took a chunk of reality with it?)
Chances are, however, it was some moronic meth head in the neighborhood who thought he could pull off a kidnapping, maybe with some assist.

I feel a little bad about one thing here, 'cause I "kinda" know what your response would be if you weren't under a little restraining order, so don't worry, I can feel the real feedback:-)

[princessmer81]

Chances are, however, it was some moronic meth head in the neighborhood who thought he could pull off a kidnapping, maybe with some assist.
Ok, then I have some more questions :p ...

A moronic meth head who is able to pull off a murder without a trace and uses words like "Southern Gentleman" and "attaché?" I have never heard of such a thing.

Also, maybe I am wrong but I don't think that those other crazy women who killed their children did anything to try to cover up their crimes - at least not the one who drowned her kids in the bathtub or the one that cut off her baby's arms. IMO they thought that they were acting in accord with a sign from God and so they didn't think that they had done anything bad that they needed to cover up.
If Patsy truely is insane and truely thought that killing JonBenet was what God wanted her to do then why would she cover it up?

[BrotherMoon]

---------------->>>>Brother Moon, your explanations of the intricacies of the 'sick' human mind, as it pertains to this particular case, are interesting to say the least.

If you would be so kind as to tell us your intellectual area of study, the type of degree you may hold in this science? I am not asking for personal information here, but just the route you have taken in study to achieve this degree of understanding.

Then IF IF you are familiar with 'any' murder cases where this type of mental problem existed with the killer and what 'sentence' the killer received. Did they end up in a place like "One Flew Over The Coo Coo's Nest"?

Edited to add: Have you ever found yourself in a courtroom testifying to this type of behavior, and what might the circumstance have been?

Thanks.
Camper

I have a degree in chemistry, and was a couple of courses short of having a double in physics. My hobby is reading about art history/interpretation, particularly the interpretation of symbols in the art associated with religion, and specifically things having to do with divine inspiration. Depth psychologists speak of that experience in terms of psychosis. I research western esoterica and the role geometry plays in the development of myth. Geometric figures are experienced in dreams, lowered states of consciousness, the creative process and psychosis. I have experienced psychosis and the spontaneous production of mandala images in dreams and visions as a compensation for my lack of ego/persona development, This occured as the result of reading and unguided thought experiments. I think Patsy Ramsey also found her way to psychosis as the result of her attachment to literature.

I wouldn't use the word sick, what happened to Patsy and to me is a part of human behavior that we are distant from but other cultures in other times sought these experiences out. Read Carlos Castaneda, read about Chaco Canyon, read about the development of Methodism in the U.S.

Read the biography of Mark David Chapman, Strawberry Fields (I think).

No, I have never testified. I'm not an expert, I have no degrees in this area, no professional experience. I'm just a reader. Some things are learned outside of school. One thing I learned is we are under the influence of two philosophies; scientific materialism and Judeo/Christianity, that actively have us lop off huge parts of ourselves during our development.

[BrotherMoon]

BrotherMoon -

Wow. That is pretty insightful.

I want to make sure that I understand what you have said...

"Thus the killer has moral responsibility but will not recognize it as the killer cannot tell the difference between itself and the object."

Are you saying that Patsy and these other women who killed their children cannot tell the difference between themselves and their children? So they think that God wants them to kill themselves or a part of themselves so they kill their children which they see as being part of themselves?

"The only way out of the psychosis is to reach a level of rationality and morality to admit to oneself and the world that they were wrong about knowing God intimately and that they sacrificed someone's life to avoid becoming self sacrificing."
So these women don't really think that they have done anything wrong. The only way that they would realize that they did something wrong would be if they also realized that they sacrificed another person's life and not their own?

God, as supernatural being, is a projection of the inner archetype. A psychotic lacks objectivity and thus blends identity with the inner archetype, they become a God in part. The liturgy that may exist with their particular Myth system is therfore "theirs", and they can do what they want with it as justification and validation for what is really self serving actions. Thus Patsy can write a ransom note based on The Psalms and The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie without actually learning the lesson those stories impart. It's the same reasoning going on in fundamental Islam.

The result of a person's efforts to get out of the psychosis is first alienation and isolation: loneliness. That must happen before the person can become self reflective and analytical. Most people would rather remain in the fantasy or even kill other humans to avoid the loneliness.

[Camper]

Thank you BrotherMoon for enlightening us all on where you are coming from.

Princessmir81, what a stupendous question you pose to BrotherMoon - as follows"If Patsy truely is insane and truely thought that killing JonBenet was what God wanted her to do then why would she cover it up?

---->>>We have so many choices on the 'who done it' part of this crime.

1. Patsy or any of the other women who did actually murder their children, it would seem to me were overtaxed and overburdened with responsibility and care, hence found themselves at the end of their own proverbial 'rope'. Look at Susan Smith, she found herself at the end of her emotional 'rope'. Could not deal with it all.

My theory does not include Patsy doing murder purposefully under her end of the rope scenario.

I do think she found herself at the end of 'a' rope, but someone handed it to her after the fact, hence, the note.

I do think BlueCrab wherever he has gone, is barking up the correct tree.

There is more to the murder of JonBenet than any of us have guessed at so far, or that we have any exact proof of so far.

When a pet in the household goes poo poo in the house, it is typically the mom who cleans it all up and makes things tidy again. This is from my book of 'mom'.



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[sissi]

[QUOTE=princessmer81]Ok, then I have some more questions :p ...

A moronic meth head who is able to pull off a murder without a trace and uses words like "Southern Gentleman" and "attaché?" I have never heard of such a thing.



A meth user can stay awake for several days at a time, and is often content to perform repetitive tasks -- even having the patience to stitch together shredded documents.

Meth “is energizing. It keeps you alert and focused," Gorman says. Unlike heroin, which generally induces sleep, or crack cocaine, which can lead to impetuous violence, meth is far better-suited to the tasks of identity thieves, he says.

‘If you bring a gun in a bank, you can face life in prison. Or you can write a series of bad checks and score 10 times that amount and get parole.’


— Steve Williams
Eugene, Ore., police detective

“It’s unique psychopharmacological properties would assist identity theft. The whole detail-oriented aspect of it, the obsessive-compulsive aspect of it.”

end quote from MSNBC..

Where ,I realize the above quoted material is describing identity theft, it clearly point out the mind-set of a meth head is one of detail and obsessiveness.

[Eagle1]

I have experienced psychosis and the spontaneous production of mandala images in dreams and visions as a compensation for my lack of ego/persona development, This occured as the result of reading and unguided thought experiments. I think Patsy Ramsey also found her way to psychosis as the result of her attachment to literature.

I wouldn't use the word sick, what happened to Patsy and to me is a part of human behavior that we are distant from but other
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And how did you say your wife died, Brother Moon? Do tell us.

Seriously, I had a strong hunch there was something like that. :innocent: Because of the extreme hostility.

Maybe it's a quirk of my own, but I think if FBI experts and other "authorities" who know more about the case than we ever can feel sympathy for the R's, WHO ARE WE to second-guess them with such strong opinions that we know it all?

Good thing we all have a statement to the effect it's just opinion, but if we're going to dream we can discover something new about the case, we need to be able to put aside any psychoses of our own and be unbiased.

[princessmer81]

Thanks for meth - info. Sissi.
Wouldn't an intruder leave something behind though? A print, a hair, something? The theory I have the hardest time understanding is the intruder theory.

[sissi]

Thanks for meth - info. Sissi.
Wouldn't an intruder leave something behind though? A print, a hair, something? The theory I have the hardest time understanding is the intruder theory.

Oh but they did! There was animal fur in her hands,beaver hair on the tape, fibers on her person, shoe prints, palm prints, hair, and most importantly foreign dna in her underwear. None of these, have been sourced to anyone or anything in the Ramsey household.

There are missing items that were used in the crime, a portion of the paintbrush, the rest of the cord and tape, and pages from the notepad used in the writing of the ransom note.

There were several keys out, open windows and at least one door ajar to allow for entry. A baseball bat located outside was found to have fibers from the basement carpet on it. There were fibers vacuumed from her bed and found in the bag used to carry her body,as well, these fibers were from the brown sack found in the guest bedroom that contained rope along with fibers from the cord used to construct the garrotte.
The problem isn't with lack of evidence, there is plenty, it seems more with the botched police job in those first days that set off leaks to the media suggesting the Ramseys did this.

[princessmer81]

Sissi - so is it your take that this was totally random, that the intruder didn't even know the Ramsey's and just ended up in their house because it was the easiest to get into?

It seems to me that the Ramseys may have had some enemies - or at least people who really dissapproved of them. Is it possible that the intruder had intended to murder Patsy or John but ran into Jon Benet first? Maybe she was up to go to the bathroom and ran into the intruder?

I am just all over the place today!

[sissi]

Sissi - so is it your take that this was totally random, that the intruder didn't even know the Ramsey's and just ended up in their house because it was the easiest to get into?

It seems to me that the Ramseys may have had some enemies - or at least people who really dissapproved of them. Is it possible that the intruder had intended to murder Patsy or John but ran into Jon Benet first? Maybe she was up to go to the bathroom and ran into the intruder?

I am just all over the place today!

Anyone could have been the perp, I have had a few "favorite suspects" over the years, however I really don't know.
Patsy is the favorite of so many that ya' almost feel that if she were on "who wants to be a millionaire" she would be the audiences choice;) Evidently she's a very unlikable figure.
The note seemed to be written IMO before the murder, so that IMO only, would decrease the chance of Jonbenet just happening upon a burglar.
A few of the characters, Pugh, Santa, Fleet,Wolf, and McElroy were really strange enough to bring them under my "umbrella". The twins, about who we know nothing , have always interested me, as well. They had the best "lookout" vantage, a place to run, perhaps a place to take the child for a kidnapping.

From Thomas' depo
Q. Did you ever seek to interview the Richardson twins who lived with Melody Stanton?

A. No.

Q. Why not?

A. Because I was unaware of these people

Q. Did anybody in the Boulder Police Department make an attempt, to your knowledge, to interview
the two 30-year old twins, the Richardson twins, that lived with Melody Stanton?
A. Not that I'm aware of.

[UKGuy]

Sissi

And if the Richardson Twins came into play, it may follow the scream heard may not have been from the Ramsay house but somewhere closer.

If the RN was written prior to the murder then it completely changes its character from a chance event to a calculated premeditated klling.

[BrotherMoon]

My hobby is reading about art history/interpretation, particularly the interpretation of symbols in the art associated with religion, and specifically things having to do with divine inspiration. Depth psychologists speak of that experience in terms of psychosis. I research western esoterica and the role geometry plays in the development of myth. Geometric figures are experienced in dreams, lowered states of consciousness, the creative process and psychosis. I have experienced psychosis and the spontaneous production of mandala images in dreams and visions as a compensation for my lack of ego/persona development, This occured as the result of reading and unguided thought experiments. I think Patsy Ramsey also found her way to psychosis as the result of her attachment to literature.


Mandala images appear in the psyche as a compensation, an ordering principle in times of stress. A mandala is a sacred circle, often combined with an image of the quaternity. S.B.T.C is a quaternity, Saved By The Cross. The Cross is a quaternity: saved by the ordering principle.

[Eagle1]

I'd never heard of the twins either until this week in this forum. Oh boy, two more to add to the huge list!

Posters have listed reasons that Patsy is "unlikeable" to them. She's not unlikeable to me, so, I'm wondering why we're affected differently. IOW, what is the big difference between US?

My degree is in art, Fine Arts actually, union musician who's worked with orchestras, sidelined right now by a muscle problem, so is it that Patsy tends to be a creative free spirit, interested in both art and writing, her major, as I am, that just makes her different from those who don't like her? Is it as simple as that? And/or some peoples' not likeing wealthy, successful women? Do those who don't like Patsy also dislike Martha Stewart, who's different from Patsy in that she'd never enter a beauty contest? Never in my life entered one myself, but have heard that a malcontent rival of my husband's tells that I did, trying to make me unpopular to hurt him. Would that do it?

[BrotherMoon]

Mandala images appear in the psyche as a compensation, an ordering principle in times of stress. A mandala is a sacred circle, often combined with an image of the quaternity. S.B.T.C is a quaternity, Saved By The Cross. The Cross is a quaternity: saved by the ordering principle.

From Ego and Archetype by Edward Edinger;

Jung has demonstrated that the Self has a characteristic phenomenology. It is expressed by certain typical symbolic images called mandalas. All images that emphasize a circle with center and usually with the additional features of a square, a cross or some other representation of quaternity, fall into this catagory.

Fordham gives examples of mandala images in children which emerge as magical protective circles at times when the ego is threatened by disruptive forces.

A similar occurence takes place in the psychotherapy of adults when the unconscious may produce a mandala image which conveys a sense of calm and containment to a disordered and confused ego. These observations indicate that the Self stands behind the ego and can act as a gaurantor of it's integrity.

Saved By The Cross, saved by the mandala image, the image of the Self, the image of God.

[sariebell]

Jayelles,
It is interesting that you started this thread, because I have often argued about the different "types" of killers. I think that when you begin catagorizing these you have to look at motivations. The pediphile is interested in the sexual aspects of the crime and the murder is a result of this obsession. The kidnapper who takes a child for ransom is interested in exerting power over others and extorting money. I find it hard to believe that both motivators would exist in the same "Houdini" being. I am not expert, for certain, but when I attempt to apply the intruder theory and imagine an individual who is interested in molesting a kid and also collecting a ransom, it seems far fetched. Even further fetched, is the fact that a "kidnapper" would fail to "nap" the kid, yet leave a ransom note anyway. That just isn't the way these things go down. When I apply logic to this circumstance, I keep coming up with the fact that it doesn't add up that way. The only people who would seem to benefit to this would be those who were trying to cover up for a terrible deed that would forever change their lives.

[twinkiesmom]

A lot has been made about the bedwetting angle....what if she wet the bed because that's where she died?

I have a lot of experience with children in nighttime pullups, and from my experience, you don't notice that they've wet the bed until morning...they sleep right through it.

If she didn't get to bed until 10:30 or 11, the approx time of death (1 am if I'm not mistaken) seems too early to have a bedwetting incident unless she went to bed with a full bladder (not likely in my mind).

The staging in this case obscured the importance of sealing off the bedroom as a crime scene.

[LinasK]

Jayelles,
It is interesting that you started this thread, because I have often argued about the different "types" of killers. I think that when you begin catagorizing these you have to look at motivations. The pediphile is interested in the sexual aspects of the crime and the murder is a result of this obsession. The kidnapper who takes a child for ransom is interested in exerting power over others and extorting money. I find it hard to believe that both motivators would exist in the same "Houdini" being. I am not expert, for certain, but when I attempt to apply the intruder theory and imagine an individual who is interested in molesting a kid and also collecting a ransom, it seems far fetched. Even further fetched, is the fact that a "kidnapper" would fail to "nap" the kid, yet leave a ransom note anyway. That just isn't the way these things go down. When I apply logic to this circumstance, I keep coming up with the fact that it doesn't add up that way. The only people who would seem to benefit to this would be those who were trying to cover up for a terrible deed that would forever change their lives.
I agree Sari, I think John sexually abused her, as Patsy was probably unavailable to him, (Patsy dressed her up like a grown woman with Red lipstick), John accidentally killed her, and Patsy helped him cover it up. She was however, pissed about the bedwetting, IMO. Patsy had a separate washer installed upstairs near JB's bedroom... JB probably bedwet because she was sexually abused. I've seen beauty contest photos of her with bruises on her arms.:twocents:

[Camper]

I agree Sari, I think John sexually abused her, as Patsy was probably unavailable to him, (Patsy dressed her up like a grown woman with Red lipstick), John accidentally killed her, and Patsy helped him cover it up. She was however, pissed about the bedwetting, IMO. Patsy had a separate washer installed upstairs near JB's bedroom... JB probably bedwet because she was sexually abused. I've seen beauty contest photos of her with bruises on her arms.:twocents:




------------------>>> Sari, and LinasK, I like your thoughts on HOW and WHY JonBenet ended up dead!

Again I repeat I would like to have 'THE SCARF' that John put into JonBenets casket with her checked out forensically. I do believe the possibility is great that 'THE SCARF' MAY have fibres similar to the unidentified ones found at the crime scene.

Far more tender using a beautiful scarf than a ROPE contraption.



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[twinkiesmom]

<<I think Patsy was getting JB ready for bed and wanted her to go potty first and she resisted Patsy. Patsy then might have pushed her into the bathroom and JB hit her head on one of the fixtures, like the tub or toliet. JB was in bad shape due to the crack in her skull and if she had lived she would tell what happened and no way Patsy wanted that so she staged the whole thing.>>

Except the forensic evidence makes this scenario impossible. She died from the strangulation, not the head blow. The head blow had to have come after the blood flow to the brain stopped because it didn't bleed out into her skull.

Is it common for children who die accidently in their homes to be missing 2/3 of their hymen?

I think people are imposing their own psyches into this case. They want to believe that JBR died a quick painless death, and all of the other factors were postaccident staging. The forensics are clear that she really did suffer.

Whoever did it, it was not a simple household accident or momentary rage.

[Camper]

Yep, the hit came afterward to ID with the 'ransom' note.
Whoever wrote the note was hoping that LE ME would NOT notice the sexual aspect of the case.

Sorta like slight of hand trick, lookie lookie I am waving my hand stage left, while the other hand is doing something else entirely HOPING you won't notice the REAL deal.

Perp came and hit her over the head, left the note, and hid her body in the basement, duh, huh? That might work sometimes, but most times NOT.



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[twinkiesmom]

Camper,
No, I think the ransom note belied the murder, and the basement belied the bedroom. (Correct me if I'm wrong...isn't that basement room about as far away from JBR's bedroom as you could get in that house?) I think whoever did it wanted LE to think it was sexual but too extreme in overkill to be a family member.

I think whoever did it was hoping LE would focus on the boogeyman.

[Camper]

Camper,
No, I think the ransom note belied the murder, and the basement belied the bedroom. (Correct me if I'm wrong...isn't that basement room about as far away from JBR's bedroom as you could get in that house?) I think whoever did it wanted LE to think it was sexual but too extreme in overkill to be a family member.

I think whoever did it was hoping LE would focus on the boogeyman.





==========>>>Dear Ms. Twinkie, that was EXACTLY my point,
'diversion' from the REAL deal. I am singing the same song in harmony with you. Additionally to be redundant, that is also exactly WHY I think the neck was so important to John, in placing 'the' scarf in the casket with JonBenet, somehow his brain was connecting to the garote/rope.

This is a great secondary theory to hang right up front with BC's grande theory, of covering for Burkes friend er. Hmmm.

I also like my theory of zooming someone outta Dodge in 'a' plane, middle of the night.



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[Eagle1]

A psychotic lacks objectivity and thus blends identity with the inner archetype, they become a God in part. The liturgy that may exist with their particular Myth system is therfore "theirs", and they can do what they want with it as justification and validation for what is really self serving actions. It's the same reasoning going on in fundamental Islam.

A psychotic, my favorite theory! I like that above sentence, Bro. Moon.

Having just done a keyword search to learn a few things about sexual hypoxyphillia (erotic asphyxiation), I found that some psychotic men get sexually aroused by inflicting pain and humiliation on another person, or maybe even on an animal.

They may be failures, even slightly brain-damaged, and JonBenet's success may have been felt unusually strong. All the things that have been said about Patsy could be true of the psychopath man. There was precedent for murderous jealousy in the case of Cain and Able, in earth's very first family, so it can happen.

The word psychopath has been changed, actually, to sociopath, and if you do a search, you find they may admit to wanting to take over the world, may become cult leaders. One might have a doctrine about "pride", and assume JonBenet and Patsy had too much of it. Notice he wouldn't acknowledge her in the ransom note. Probably claims only men matter.

(A little aside, not completely off-subject, an illustration, in fact, maybe. I get bulletins about the Fla Terri Schiavo case, where it's being assumed a husband should have life and death power over a wife, even when he's living with another woman, etc. State Statutes he violated weren't enforced, and now they claim it's been too long, and they keep getting the same judge for every action, a Judge Greer. There's a word, "privacy" which I think links this to whoever planned the legalizing of abortion. And there used to be a site, "Kill the Useless Eaters", don't know if it's still there. The negative Drs. who claimed therapy wouldn't help Terri probably belong to whatever movement that may be, or influenced by it, and just as many doctors said therapy probably would help her, but they're not being respected. Lovely Pigeon has said in another thread an overdose of morphine would be more merciful than starving her to death, taking 2 wks, but probably Fla says that would be murder and starving her wouldn't be. Words being so twisted. Everyone please at least say prayers for her, to have this all reversed and get a miracle healing, okay? All kinds of religious groups are amassing, but who knows, this may be the Apocalypse madman's influence, where the power of the holy people is crushed. He's an opposer, according to prophecy, walking in the way of Cain. This is so sad.)