48 Hours/ David Cam case/Indiana State trooper

[kcksum]

I'd list all those found guilty by a jury who are guilty, but I don't think this website has enough server space to handle the list. :rolleyes:
and that would mean what to someone like Dowallaby who spent years in prison convicted for not only killing Jaqueline but visciously raping her? So the justice system works most of the time......what does that have to do with the fact that sometimes it doesn't? Comparing one to the other just confirms what I said, that some people in this country are found guilty who are and some people who are found guilty aren't. I never raised the idea that there aren't guilty people in prison, so why counter that as your argument? I never said there were more innocent people in prison than guilty people in prison.....I am fully aware of the math. I believe if there are ANY innocent people in prison for things they didn't do that it is one of the worst travesty's there is. Talking about how many guilty people there have been doesn't change their situation one bit.

[Al_B]

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A former Indiana state trooper has asked the Indiana Supreme Court to overturn his conviction of murdering his wife and two children seven years ago."
"

Camm was convicted in 2002 of murdering his wife, Kimberly, 35, along his children, Jill, 5, Bradley, 7, in the garage of their home in the southern Indiana town of Georgetown in September 2000. He was serving a 195-year prison sentence when the state appeals court overturned the verdict, ruling that testimony about Camm's extramarital affairs had unfairly biased jurors":(
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14334048/detail.html?rss=ind&psp=news

This scares me

[Bobbisangel]

I remember his second trial...I followed that one and I believe CTV had it on.
I hope to heck he doesn't get away with murdering his whole family. I remember that he tried to blame it on some guy that was supposedly there at the time of the murders. Can't remember what happened to the second guy but he may have been sent up too. I firmly believe that David Cam is responsible for the murders of his whole family. I remember that his alibi was he was playing in a ball game but the Pros figured out that he wasn't seen at the game during the whole game and could have gone home and went back.
I don't see how he can get away with saying that two trials were messed up.

[Al_B]

I just hope the conviction is held up,it's making its way in the news here so I will try to keep it updated.
"The Floyd County prosecutor's office declined to comment on the filing. Prosecutor Keith Henderson has said previously that he believes the verdict will be upheld. The Indiana attorney general's (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071015/LOCAL/710150398#) office said it would seek to uphold Camm's conviction"
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071015/LOCAL/710150398

[cheko1]

Would be a sad day if the conviction were overturned.....he needs to rot for killing his family!

[nanandjim]

Would be a sad day if the conviction were overturned.....he needs to rot for killing his family!
I agree. David Camm is responsible for his family's deaths. A guy named, Bonet or something like that, was also convicted. He refused to testify against Camm. I really wish that he'd change his mind. I guess that he would have to spend his life in protective custody if he did.

[CaliKid]

Camm's extramarital affairs provided motive. This sounds like another way to hamstring a trial and make it more difficult to try murderers.

[CyberLaw]

The affairs are not motive, but it does goes to character. There could be some people that see if he had affairs, then he murdered his family. But one does not equal the other. Bias by some jurors as a man having one or more affairs has to do with the value system or morals. We all know how people feel about others that have had affairs. So yes, it was correct to over turn the vedict, because the affairs were not proven to go to motive, nor used as motive.

Now with the next one, I don't know. It may be similiar, but hoping that the verdict is upheld.

[GlitchWizard]

The affairs are not motive, but it does goes to character. There could be some people that see if he had affairs, then he murdered his family. But one does not equal the other. Bias by some jurors as a man having one or more affairs has to do with the value system or morals. We all know how people feel about others that have had affairs. So yes, it was correct to over turn the vedict, because the affairs were not proven to go to motive, nor used as motive.

Now with the next one, I don't know. It may be similiar, but hoping that the verdict is upheld.

I agree. Not everyone who has an affair murders their family, but certainly anyone on a jury who was cheated on would have that anger of their own in the back of their mind.

That's how I was with OJ. I didn't care if he killed his ex wife and lover or not - I wanted him convicted simply because he had beaten her previously.

And I'm not a bad person, I just have feelings from being a victim of abuse in my past that would have clouded my judgement in his case.

[Amraann]

I don't understand how the extra marital affair could cause an overturn???

I agree it goes to motive... If the state has the burden to proof beyond reasonable doubt then what is wrong with the jury hearing this??

It would only be wrong IMO if the affair was not proven.

[joe jones]

He has just recently had another appeal turned down,

now saying he will appeal because there were typos in the transcript,

Boney - his accomplice has not had any appellate issues raised yet

I was very shocked when Boney came out of the woodwork, and I have always wondered if Boneys sweatshirt had been tested at the time and his DNA found would Camm ever have been charged,

as they would have Boney tied to the crime scene, but maybe Boney would have talked back then too

Camm imo will never admit his guilt so he will never leave prison unless he gets a successful appeal and a NG on retrial

[nanandjim]

He has just recently had another appeal turned down...Camm imo will never admit his guilt so he will never leave prison unless he gets a successful appeal and a NG on retrial
Good to hear about his appeal being turned down. I don't think that "there were typos in the transcript" will help win him a new trial. I hope that he rots in prison.

[evelyn24]

This case is back on 48 hours tonight, 2 hours.
I still think Camm is guilty. It's very interesting reading through this thread and hearing all the inside info from locals.

[PomMom12]

Would the new "Touch DNA" test help in this case?

[Houndacres]

http://justicefordavidcamm.com

[Boyz_Mum]

http://justicefordavidcamm.com

Thanks Houndacres for the link.

[Houndacres]

Hi Boyz Mum,
I was reading the posts on this forum and found many things stated here that just aren't true. I'm all for putting this guy away if he is guilty, I just think it should be based on evidence.
Happy New Year!

[Houndacres]

continued . . what I meant to say is that I am familiar with this case and the evidence to prove guilt just isn't there.

[Boyz_Mum]

continued . . what I meant to say is that I am familiar with this case and the evidence to prove guilt just isn't there.

Personally I believe his ties to Boney are the key to solving the whole case. I guess now I don't know if I believe he hired Boney to do this or if it was retaliation against Camm the cop. Just seeing the pictures of their beautiful family, I pray that Camm wasn't "the bad guy".

Bless your heart Houndacres, you seem to be able to look into this and be far more reasonable than I am in drawing conclusions. :blowkiss:

[kymedic]

For those of you who do not know much about the case other than reading from the media. I would like for you to go to www.justicefordavidcamm.com
There is alot of information about this case there.
Also check the forum at
http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9101084/m/3821005031

There is awhole lot of information there as well.
He has an appeal at the Supreme Court now waiting on the Justice's to review the wrongs of this case.
There are many many wrongs of this case.
I do know David and yes I know he is innocent.
Please take the time to read.
He did not Molest his daughter. Kim was not leaving him. He WAS PLAYING basketball during the murders.
There is actually NO evidence tying him to this case.
There was DNA from Charles Boney and an unknown female.
Plus many things from this case came up missing. Charles boney was a free man for 4 1/2 years!! Boney-Backbone did this on his own.
Take the time to read please. You will find that there is reasonable doubt. Even the Juries said there was doubt but yet they convicted him on NO evidence.
This trial will be overturned as well.
ANY questions you may email me I will answer or find the answer for you!
ky.medic @yahoo.com

[kymedic]

Anyone on here know Charles Boney??
If so did he confess to you?
HE IS the SOLE killer in this case. Had his freedom for 4 1/2 yrs.
He BRAGGED about doing this!!!!

So all that THINK David is guilty tell me why? What evidence???

[Houndacres]

Hi KyMedic! Glad to see you here! I'm also glad to see this forum take off again! I will add that I am one who thought David was guilty from the beginning. I have lived in this area most of my life. I do not know David. However, after studying the facts of this case, I can honestly say the state did not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, there have been too many false rumors spread in this case. So, for anyone concerned about justice, I challenge you to read the evidence yourself and decide.

[kymedic]

Thanks Hound Acres!

I hope that people will read and decide for themself. Not just listen to rumour.
Or read headlines. BUT read the other forum and read the justice site.
There is so much information about this case also.
Here is a link to the Supreme Ct. Webcast. You can see the Justices were NOT happy about the handling of this case as well

http://www.indianacourts.org/apps/webcasts/default.aspx?search=87S00-0612-CR-499&view=table&sort=

Click on David Camm and you can watch the Supreme Court Oral arguments.

[Houndacres]

Hi Boyz Mum, I too had problems with the ties to Boney (Pronounced Bo-Nay). If you knew the area in which David and Kim lived, it didn't seem likely to me that Boney just happened to be in that area randomly. However, after further review of the evidence, I learned that Boney hung around Karem's meat market. The owner of Karem's is somehow realted to Kim?? Kim frequented this meat market often. I lived within walking distance of Community Park, the place where David supposedly met Boney. There were always basketball games going on. However, there is not one person who can place David at Community Park, except Boney (a proven liar and convicted criminal).

[Houndacres]

One of the biggest problems I had with the whole case was the rumor about the insurance policy that David's brother supposedly wrote and forged Kim's name on. However, if you check out the sites that KyMedic has provided, you will see that these rumors just aren't true. The biggest shock I found in the whole thing was Boney's ties to Stan Faith, the prosecutor in the first trial. You would think, given the supposedly check and balances of our justice system, that this type of thing couldn't happen! It is scary to think that this man has been in prison for 8 years (I think it's 8??) and nothing has been done to correct this horrible wrong! Wow. . I have never been a big David Camm fan and now I find myself defending him. . most important here is the fact that this could happen to anyone, not just David. If he is innocent, it needs to be corrected and NOW!

[kymedic]

Yes the ties between Stan Faith and Boney run VERY VERY DEEP!
Stan was Boney's lawyer, his reference for jobs, Stan and Boney's mother are VERY VERY VERY CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boyz_Mum]

kymedic and Houndacres, thank you very much for the links and the information you've both provided. Everything I learned about this case was through the 48 hours show and it's been a while since seeing it.

Boney is in jail now, correct? He was a real piece of work.

[Boyz_Mum]

Yes the ties between Stan Faith and Boney run VERY VERY DEEP!
Stan was Boney's lawyer, his reference for jobs, Stan and Boney's mother are VERY VERY VERY CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stan Faith was the prosecutor in the trial against David Camm? (And had all these ties to Boney?) How on earth does that happen- is the prosecutor supposed to resign if there is conflict like this?

I am sorry for asking so many questions- I'll have to read the links you've both provided. Thanks again!

[kymedic]

Stan was prosecutor in the 1st trial. Before they found Boney. Faith said the "sweatshirt" with the name "BACKBONE " IN IT was nothing. He did not run a DNA test on it. He pushed it aside!!!
The 2nd trial was under Henderson. Faith lost his re-election to Henderson. This is also when the DEFENSE finally was able to push them to run the DNA on the sweatshirt.
There are many many things so wrong with this case!
Faith should lose his license for this injustice.

[Houndacres]

Faith should have been charged with a criminal offense for all of this! Not to mention all the evidence that just DISAPPEARED! I think what concerned me the most was that they wouldn't test the shirt for DNA when requested. It took several years before the defense could get them to test the shirt. There were condoms that disappeared and a shower curtian . . can't recall right off hand what else. They didn't do a rape kit either.
KyMedic, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kim have defense wounds? Also, wasn't there some evidence that her pants had been partially removed? David didn't have any wounds on him, did he?

[kymedic]

No they didn't do a rape kit. And NO David had no wounds, cuts, abrasions or anything on him at all. Kim had defensive wounds and broken nails.
Her pants were removed halfway her shoes were removed and CAREFULLY placed on top of the Bronco.
BY Criminal Charles Boney.
Boney has a VERY lenghty record of abuse and armed robbery. He preyed on women. THAT is public record!
Yes the shower curtain and condoms dissappeared!
So did a foot print and I THINK a PALM PRINT (can't remember the palm print)
BUT Female DNA was also at the scene. UNKNOWN DNA.
Wonder who's that is to this day no one knows!

[Houndacres]

I thought the female DNA belonged to Boney's girlfriend, who has since left town?
Was there ever any DNA recovered from under Kim's nails? I think that would be like THE MAJOR CLUE!
You know, it's weird, but I always 'wanted' David to be guilty. Not because I think he did it, but because I wanted someone, anyone to pay for this horrible crime! Emotionally, it's easy to say he's guilty, as so many others have said. But, if I were on the jury and weighing the evidence, I would have found him not guilty.

[kymedic]

I don't know if they matched the DNA under Kim's nails.
I do know they took 4 1/2 yrs to even run DNA in CODIS and found Boney.
It is so sad that it took that long to find him and he admitted to this!
Alot of people want David guilty. They wanted a fall guy. ALL of the investigators had "tunnel vision" and went after David. This was basically a Charachter Assasination on David.
I firmly believe he is innocent. I pray that he is released and is able to grieve properly.
I feel so bad for him and his family. They have been through so much with this.
The juror's even said there will ALWAYS be doubt. NOW if a juror can come out and say that then JUSTICE was not served. The jury is obligated to find a person not guilty if reasonable doubt exist. It does and they even said it did in an interview after the trials.
That is at the very least misjustice!

I know I am emotionally involved because David is a friend BUT objectively I can see that there is no evidence against David. Reasonable doubt does exist.
This CAN happen to anyone.
I pray the Supreme Court rules soon for David and his family. They are such great people.

[Kimmer]

OK after a long time from posting on this site, I would publicly like to say that I firmly believe I WAS WRONG DAVID CAMM IS INNOCENT...I have taken several years to review this case, and I can also say the fact that I knew Kim Camms brother-in-law I was looking at this case from the wrong side...I am now attempting to do anything I can to right a wrong that was done to David Camm..

I would suggest that anyone who really wants to know what happened to David please go to justicefordavidcamm.com there is invaluable information on this site that if you are an open minded person will show you what an injustice was done to this man...If you feel inclined you can also donate to his defense fund since his family has basically lost everything trying to get him out of jail...He is currently serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole and in isolation..This case has dragged on for 9 years and it is high time the Court of Appeals throws this case out against him and makes it so he can not be re-tried...

I also feel that if the State wants to go after a second person that would be Charles Boneys girlfriend at the time who now lives out of the country in Trinidad...

once again...

DAVID CAMM IS INNOCENT PLEASE VISIT...JUSTICEFORDAVIDCAMM.COM

[Kimmer]

If anyone is interested in reading about what really happened during both of David Camms trial please visit justicefordavidcamm.com

I know that this seems like an open and shut case, but believe me I live in the area that this happened in and there were so many rumors floating around with the sole propose to do a Character Assassination of David Camm..

When this case first began I was sure that David was guilty but after taking out all the speculation, wild arse theory's and just getting down to the lack of evidence against David, it became clear that an 11 time convicted criminal Charles Boney and possible his girlfriend at the time were the ones responsible for this horrific crime

with all of that being said I truly hope the appeals court overturns this case once and for all and does it to where he can never be tried again..

If you visit justicefordavidcamm.com you can see the appellate court that was held in May 2008 and I think you will see that they were still unhappy with the way that this case was handled by both Floyd County Prosecutors and on top of that there are abuse of power, malicious prosecution, and perjury charges that can be filed on prosecutors, and expert witness's for the State..

It is time this charade stop and Davis freedom is returned

Kimmer

[detectivewannabe]

You just got your wish Kimmer. They overturned his conviction Friday. I don't have time now, but I do believe he is guilty and yes I will go to the website you suggested and then you and I can discuss this more in detail. I also have the book so give me a few days.

dwb

[Gozgals]

I too believe David is guilty and I'm sorry to hear his conviction has been overturned.


http://www.newsandtribune.com/local/local_story_177112303.html

3 p.m. UPDATE: David Camm's murder convictions overturned by Supreme Court

He was previously found guilty of killing family

By MATT THACKER
Matt.Thacker@newsandtribune.com

The Indiana Supreme Court overturned the conviction of David Camm in the deaths of his wife and two children and ordered a third trial.

Camm, 45, was convicted in 2002 and again in 2006 of murdering his wife Kimberly, 35, and their children, Bradley, 7, and Jill, 5, at their Georgetown home in 2000.

[Boyz_Mum]

I too believed Camm to be guilty. Perhaps this 3rd trial can get to the truth, once and for all?

Thanks for the updates! :blowkiss:

[nightfallgypsy]

I have followed this case from the night it happened. I also know people who are related to the victims and the defendant. For what it is worth, I think David deserves a new trial.
I have never felt David to be innocent, but the cops have tried and convicted him on trumped up charges. The man was smart enough to create an alibi for himself. He wasn't home when the killings occured. He planned it that way.
The S.A. needs to charge him with the crimes that he is guilty of. He didn't pull the trigger. Boney did that. The evidence shows this was a perp with a foot-fettish. I think David was more the "master-mind" behind the scenes.
Remember folks, David was tried and convicted in a court of law (1st trial)without the name of Charles Boney ever being mentioned. His clothes and prints were left behind right in the garage. No one wanted to talk about that or investigate this evidence because it was not directly linked to Camm.
Another fact that wasn't talked about much in the media is that he was divorced and had a child from an earlier marriage. He wasn't going to walk away from this a free man, He still had a child and responsibilities.
Take it for what it is worth, The justice system only works if the scales are balanced.

[detectivewannabe]

I have followed this case from the night it happened. I also know people who are related to the victims and the defendant. For what it is worth, I think David deserves a new trial.
I have never felt David to be innocent, but the cops have tried and convicted him on trumped up charges. The man was smart enough to create an alibi for himself. He wasn't home when the killings occured. He planned it that way.
The S.A. needs to charge him with the crimes that he is guilty of. He didn't pull the trigger. Boney did that. The evidence shows this was a perp with a foot-fettish. I think David was more the "master-mind" behind the scenes.
Remember folks, David was tried and convicted in a court of law (1st trial)without the name of Charles Boney ever being mentioned. His clothes and prints were left behind right in the garage. No one wanted to talk about that or investigate this evidence because it was not directly linked to Camm.
Another fact that wasn't talked about much in the media is that he was divorced and had a child from an earlier marriage. He wasn't going to walk away from this a free man, He still had a child and responsibilities.
Take it for what it is worth, The justice system only works if the scales are balanced.


Oh, I completely agree. I never thought for one second that David pulled the trigger. I also believe he was the 'mastermind' behind this. Kinda "hit for hire" so to speak. I also believe he was not given a fair trail when the molestation was introduced. There is no concrete proof he did that to his daughter and it should have never been brought up. We have to give a fair and balanced trial and I hope he is convected a third time for the right reasons.

dwb

[Houndacres]

I used to feel the same way, that he was guilty no matter what. However, after spending a huge amount of time reviewing the case, I can't say that anymore. I can't find a link between David and Boney. No doubt both trials were unfair and biased. I do find it rare that the Supreme Court would overturn a conviction, twice! I think David is guilty of many things, but not murder or being involved in murder. I still believe that Boney zoned in on Kim from Karem's meat market. I remember shopping there as a child. I have the utmost respect for Kim's father, Mr. Renn. And while many people want to punish David for other things, not related to the murders, I think it's more important to ensure that our justice system works appropriately. Floyd County can't afford another trial. While money shouldn't be a concern in the search for justice, how many times does it take to get it right? ( that would be for either a guilty or not guilty verdict, either way)

[Houndacres]

Oh, I completely agree. I never thought for one second that David pulled the trigger. I also believe he was the 'mastermind' behind this. Kinda "hit for hire" so to speak. I also believe he was not given a fair trail when the molestation was introduced. There is no concrete proof he did that to his daughter and it should have never been brought up. We have to give a fair and balanced trial and I hope he is convected a third time for the right reasons.

dwb

JMO. . but I think that if David were going to do a "hit for hire" deal, he would have gone with someone more professional, as opposed to using Boney. If you check out Boney's rap sheet, it makes no sense that David would align himself with a low rate criminal such as Boney.

[Kimmer]

For those who may know about this case, David Camm was a retired Indiana State Officer that in Sept, 2000 was charged with killing his wife Kim, and his kids Brad & Jill Camm....David was convicted of this horrendous crime, and a few years later the conviction was overturned by the Indiana Supreme Court, He was then re-tried for a 2nd time, during the 2nd re-trial new evidence was tested and found to belong to a 11 time convicted criminal by the name of Charles Darnell Boney and Charles Boney also admitted that he was at the crime scene when this family was slaughtered....The prosecutors where unwilling to admit that they had made a mistake in charging David Camm not once but twice, when David Camm was re-tried he was once again convicted...

Last week the Indiana Supreme Court once again overturned the 2nd conviction of David Camm....

Since this is a very fluid case, with more twists and turns than any case I have ever seen, I have decided to start a blog on this case, If you are interested in getting information about this case, please go to the blog and in the search box and type in David Camm and it will take you to the blog that I have started..

When this case first started I thought that David Camm was guilty, but over the past couple of years I have been doing alot of research and I now feel that David Camm is completely innocent and because of politics in the area that I live has been continually tried for a crime that he did not committ.....If you would like to know more about this case, or discuss this case please visit my blog....

Thank You,

Kimmer

[MagicRose99]

Cam's thread is in the Trials forum:

48 Hours/ David Cam case/Indiana State trooper - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

[Boyz_Mum]

JMO. . but I think that if David were going to do a "hit for hire" deal, he would have gone with someone more professional, as opposed to using Boney. If you check out Boney's rap sheet, it makes no sense that David would align himself with a low rate criminal such as Boney.

I, at first, thought that David hired Boney.

You make an excellent point regarding that "theory".

Is there a reason, you believe, that Boney could have targeted the Camm family because of David's job with LE? Or do you believe Boney act is solely because he had some prior "infatuation or otherwise" with Karen?

As I said earlier, I do hope they can get to the truth this time around. I'm not sure what I believe about it all now.

[Houndacres]

I, at first, thought that David hired Boney.

You make an excellent point regarding that "theory".

Is there a reason, you believe, that Boney could have targeted the Camm family because of David's job with LE? Or do you believe Boney act is solely because he had some prior "infatuation or otherwise" with Karen?

As I said earlier, I do hope they can get to the truth this time around. I'm not sure what I believe about it all now.

Hi Boyz Mum,
It's nice to see you here again!
IMO . . I think he targeted Kim Camm when he saw her at Karem's meat market. I think her sister is married to Mr. Karem and Kim often went to the market. Boney lived in this area at one time. The meat market, if I remember correctly, is located next to a convience store and is close to Knable's liquor store. This is a highly populated area, with banks and restaurants. It's right down the street from the hospital and close to the Target store and another shopping plaza. The area is 'busy' and people come and go unnoticed.
It was said that Boney told someone, another inmate I think, that he was going to 'get a cop'. Also, Kim's vehicle had a police sticker on it that could easily been seen by Boney. I often wondered if Boney knew who Kim was in advance of these crimes. I think it was stated that Boney's mother lived near the Camm residence area and Boney's car was seen that day parked at the end of the road that the Camm family lived on.
JMO. . but I think that he saw Kim at the store and that sparked his interest. I also think that he followed her and found out who she was and realized that she was married to a former police officer, whom he might have thought was still on the force at the time.
I have a lot of problems with having a third trial. Besides the obvious, ruining David's life, I don't think it's fair to put her family thru another trial. I think that Pros. Henderson and Faith are giving them false hopes. If they could have gotten a conviction using 'evidence', they would have done it in the first two trials. I can understand their feelings of wanting the guilty party to be punished, but I do think he is, Boney was sentenced to 225 years.
The other problem I have is that they would be going to trial again based on the same 'evidence' that was unsuccessful two times already, nothing new would be brought to the table. I don't know if it's a faulty case or if the investigation was that screwed up. I do know there was some evidence collected that was 'lost' before trial and never tested. There was also several pieces of evidence that were collected and were never tested before the first trial.
I think, in general, we at WS tend to examine the facts and evidence of cases and use this to base our opinion. But, the public eye doesn't usually work this way. You wouldn't believe some of the rumors that I heard about this case going around town. I think David was found guilty of these crimes in the public eye long before the first trial ever took place. While many people in our town don't care or won't admit it, if it were them, they would feel differently. If this is allowed to continue or happen without consequence, it could be anybody next time. I find that kinda scary!
Have a great day, Boyz Mum!!
HoundAcres:)

ETA: I just wanted to add that Camm's defense was privately funded for the first two trials. Because everything is gone now, a third defense would have to be funded by Floyd County.

[Houndacres]

Remember folks, David was tried and convicted in a court of law (1st trial)without the name of Charles Boney ever being mentioned.

*snipped for space
Hi Nightfallgypsy,
I also explored the idea that David set this up. But then I had to ask myself, David was a law enforcement officer, why would he need to get a clean gun from Boney? Why would he even need to involve Boney? If they had planned this together, why isn't there any evidence that the two even met?
The reason David was convicted in the first trial without Boney is because the prosceutor told the jury that David molested his daughter. They also paraded a number of women before the jury that said they'd had affairs with David. This may be true, I don't know. But, that makes him a bad husband, not a murderer.

[Kimmer]

I am aware that there has been a previous thread on this topic, but it has been a couple of years since there has been any real activity on that thread...And since the Indiana Supreme Court just again overturned his 2nd trial, this case is going to be heating up again, so for that reason I thought I would start a new thread to let others know about the recent activity on the case...

Kimmer

[MagicRose99]

The thread is resurrected every time there is move on the case. There is current activity now.

[Kimmer]

Well here are 2 very important questions that in my mind need to be answered, and from all of the investigating of this crime there is no evidence to support this.

1. Had Boney given David the gun wrapped in his sweatshirt as Boney has always claimed he did (and the sweatshirt did have gun oil on it also)..Why was there never ANY of David's DNA on that sweatshirt...There was not even touch DNA on that sweatshirt...So I feel comfortable saying that David never touched the item the gun was wrapped in..

2. Had David left the basketball game and went home and either killed his family or been a witness (that was close enough to his daughter to get High Velocity Spatter on his t-shirt) Then why was there no forensic evidence (IE: Blood, hair, fibers,GSR) found in David's pick-up truck....There is no way that this man was within 4 feet of his daughter when she was shot, as well as being in the garage when his wife and son were killed and him be able to get back in his vehicle and drive back to the church without transferring some forensic evidence into his truck..

These are just 2 questions out of several that I have, Since we have such good sleuthers on here can anyone make sense out of this lack of evidence?

[Columbo]

JMO. . but I think that if David were going to do a "hit for hire" deal, he would have gone with someone more professional, as opposed to using Boney. If you check out Boney's rap sheet, it makes no sense that David would align himself with a low rate criminal such as Boney.

Maybe there were no better class or more professional hit men for hire? After all, what kind of person does this kind of work anyhow.

[Houndacres]

Maybe there were no better class or more professional hit men for hire? After all, what kind of person does this kind of work anyhow.

Well, you're right, they'd all have to be pretty low to do something like this.

I still don't believe that David ever knew Boney. If David had known him, why did David set in jail for 4 1/2 years before his name was ever brought up? I think that had David been involved with Boney, he would have thrown his name out there in the beginning.

Kimmer, I didn't know that touch DNA was ever done on the shirt. That's interesting. Was this brought up at his 2nd trial? So Boney brings the gun to the house wrapped in his Backbone sweatshirt. The shirt has gun oil, but none of David's DNA. Yet, the shirt has Boney's girlfriend's DNA on it, but she leaves the country.
I'll say it again, it would be wrong to have a 3rd trial!

[detectivewannabe]

If David had never met or had any other connection with boney, than david sitting in jail 4 1/2 years and NOT throwing his name out would make sense, right? I found it kinda odd that Boney would go to all that trouble of finding out things about Kimberly; like where she lived, when David would not be home, just to "get a cop". I'm not saying it is impossible to have boney to "happen" upon Kimberly just as she was driving in the garage and David not with her or even home for that matter. If there is no connection between David and Boney, we have to assume Boney waited with a gun and girlfriend outside (or inside?) for Kimberly and the kids to get home. I'm not saying impossible.

I thought I read somewhere that David and Boney went to school together? And I want to point out that while being an continuas adultress does not make you a murderer; it does put his character in a darker light.

dwb

[detectivewannabe]

2. Had David left the basketball game and went home and either killed his family or been a witness (that was close enough to his daughter to get High Velocity Spatter on his t-shirt) Then why was there no forensic evidence (IE: Blood, hair, fibers,GSR) found in David's pick-up truck....There is no way that this man was within 4 feet of his daughter when she was shot, as well as being in the garage when his wife and son were killed and him be able to get back in his vehicle and drive back to the church without transferring some forensic evidence into his truck..

These are just 2 questions out of several that I have, Since we have such good sleuthers on here can anyone make sense out of this lack of evidence?[/quote]

Although I do not believe David pulled the trigger nor was a witness; simply saying that he is innocent because there was no transfer of forensic evidence in his truck would be like OJ Simpson is innocent because there was no transfer evidence in his bronco.

dwb

[Bobbisangel]

I wonder if David Camm and this other guy weren't in on the murders together. Maybe Camm felt he couldn't murder his own kids so he brought this guy in to do that. I watched, I believe it was the second trial, and for whatever reason I thought he was guilty. Seems like there was a sweatshirt belonging to the other guy left at the scene and it had blood on it. I would like to keep up with this case. I wonder if the Pros will even bother with a third trial.

[Houndacres]

They are talking about a 3rd trial. I think the defense said they were preparing as though there would be one. I don't think a third trial should happen. There was never any evidence that David and Boney even knew each other. The sweatshirt that Boney left at the crime scene didn't have any of David's DNA on it, only Boney's and his girlfriend's.

[Bobbisangel]

They are talking about a 3rd trial. I think the defense said they were preparing as though there would be one. I don't think a third trial should happen. There was never any evidence that David and Boney even knew each other. The sweatshirt that Boney left at the crime scene didn't have any of David's DNA on it, only Boney's and his girlfriend's.

Was anything missing from the house? This Boney probably didn't know this family and so he wouldn't have gone to their home just to murder the wife and kids. He would have had to have gone their to steal or something. How did he know that David was at a ball game or some type of sports event from what I remember?

What does Boney say about it?

[detectivewannabe]

Was anything missing from the house? This Boney probably didn't know this family and so he wouldn't have gone to their home just to murder the wife and kids. He would have had to have gone their to steal or something. How did he know that David was at a ball game or some type of sports event from what I remember?

What does Boney say about it?


Not trying to shoot down anyone's theories; but I do believe there are bad people out there who just, for no reason what so ever, kill. Just because nothing was stolen or distroyed doesn't mean that Boney couldn't have done this alone.(Hence the killing spree in South Carolina and the DC sniper) Although, I do not believe that was the case with the Camm's murders.

dwb

[kbl8201]

I've been following this one too. Camm has a hearing Wed. asking to be released from jail till he is retried. The pros. has said he has new evidence in the case, supposedly an admission of guilt to someone unspecified.

http://www.news-tribune.net/articles/2004/11/16/news/new_albany_tribune/news01.txt

Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson announced yesterday that he will retry the case based on new information and a confidential informant who has come forward. Henderson made the announcement yesterday afternoon amid a crowd of reporters and many of Camm's family members.

http://www.news-tribune.net/articles/2004/11/17/news/new_albany_tribune/news08.txt

Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson filed an amended probable cause affidavit that, among other things, points to possible molestation of Jill Camm as a motive. The affidavit states that the young girl had "blunt trauma to the vagina that was consistent with sexual molestation." Indiana State Police Det. Gary Gilbert, lead investigator in the case, also stated in the affidavit that he interviewed a medical expert who advised that she studied Jill's autopsy "and came to the conclusion that the trauma to Jill Camm's vaginal area is consistent with" sexual abuse.

Gilbert also stated numerous sexual devices were found in the master bedroom of the Camm home. He also stated that a cover was found on David Camm's bed in the master bedroom that had sperm of David Camm and body fluids from Jill Camm.

The affidavit also speaks to a confidential informant in the investigation. Henderson did not give many details on the informant, other than it was someone who had recently spoken to investigators. In the affidavit, Gilbert stated that "During my investigation, I received information from a confidential informant that advised me that David Camm told him that Camm shot and killed his wife and two children."

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The defense filed discovery motions today arguing that the pros. failed to disclose the name of that witness and other things. I'll post a link when I locate it.

as someone with knowledge in this area, unless the "ci" was wearing awire, the guy/girl is paid by the state (thru either mone or leinency) to lie for them.