NE article about Patsy?

[Seeker]

There's nothing online about it that I can find, however it's posted at FFJ that there is an article in this weeks NE stating Patsy has been "cured" of cancer yet again.

I noticed the first post was made yesterday...did the rag come out yesterday (today's date is on the top of the actual rag online)?

How can she be "cured" (no cancer patient says they are cured, they use the word "survivor" knowing it may come back) again? Puleaze! So what's up with this? Did she lie about having cancer again just to upstage Burke's birthday (which was yesterday and he's a legal adult now, 18)? Mz Drama momma even has to upstage her own son and be the center of attention on his special day?

Or are the Ramsey's getting ready to pull another one of their many money making schemes?

Something is up, and it's going to make the Ramsey's look even more guilty than they do already. Maybe she's terrified that Burke (now 18) is going to confess to what he knows and she's afraid. But, "how cruel can you be, boy, when your mom is so ill?"...this should keep him quiet for a little while longer eh John? Like until he's, oh I don't know, 40?

[Thorkim]

Bullsmit.

[Seeker]

:laugh: What a long and thought out post sistah...can I quote you on that?

[Show Me]

Bullsmit.

I quoted Thor. :D

[BrotherMoon]

Her "cure" is intimately connected to S.B.T.C , Saved By The Cross. Her cancer and her dark side (moral lapses) are fused in her mind. That fusion is Satan. According to her, she was cured by God, not physicians. Ergo, she was saved by God. She is confusing what is going on in her mind with what is going on in her body, just like she confused JonBenet with her mind. Victory is over death and Satan: Evil. She is projecting that need onto her body, just like she projected it onto JonBenet. She keeps getting "cured" because psychotics have to keep re-enacting the fantasy, as their actions in the real world never really resolve what is going on in their minds.

People often ask, "If she is a killer or shows symptoms of a serial killer, why didn't she kill again?". The answer is, her serial nature is being attended to by her "cures". I have expected her psychotic needs to involve Burke somehow, but it looks like she is fulfilling this need through repeated cures.

Thanks for bringing this up Seeker, you make me as happy as a little girl!

[BrotherMoon]

From Aid To Bible Understanding;

Satan [Heb., sa tan; resister, adversary].

And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel. (Gen. 3:14, 15) Here god made it known that Satan, cast outside God's holy organization, would have no life sustaining hope, but would eat dust, as it were, until he died. The "seed" eventually was to bruise him in the head, which would signify a death wound.

This is why Patsy hit JonBenet on the head, after strangling her.

[Kaly]

BrotherMoon,

I think you should write a book with your insights into this case. Even just a thin one. It would sell!

[concernedperson]

From Aid To Bible Understanding;

Satan [Heb., sa tan; resister, adversary].

And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel. (Gen. 3:14, 15) Here god made it known that Satan, cast outside God's holy organization, would have no life sustaining hope, but would eat dust, as it were, until he died. The "seed" eventually was to bruise him in the head, which would signify a death wound.

This is why Patsy hit JonBenet on the head, after strangling her.

Actually, I agree with you. However, biblical references are not my forte. Patsy is a very disordered, as I personally have seen.

What makes these individuals tick is something for minds far greater than mine.I would like someone to be responsible for JonBenet's death. Someone murdered her and she was a baby and didn't deserve this. Even if she was 80 years old....no one deserves to be murdered by a selfish, greedy individual.

[Kaly]

I think BrotherMoon rather "specializes" in symbolic interpretation, not necessarily the Bible. A good debate to see would be whether Patsy is possibly disordered or "ordered" (structured?) in her thinking.

[Nehemiah]

From Aid To Bible Understanding;And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel. (Gen. 3:14, 15) Here god made it known that Satan, cast outside God's holy organization, would have no life sustaining hope, but would eat dust, as it were, until he died. The "seed" eventually was to bruise him in the head, which would signify a death wound.

This is why Patsy hit JonBenet on the head, after strangling her.

I can't give Patsy that much credit. I don't think she was that knowledgeable about the Bible.

[tipper]

There's nothing online about it that I can find, however it's posted at FFJ that there is an article in this weeks NE stating Patsy has been "cured" of cancer yet again.

I noticed the first post was made yesterday...did the rag come out yesterday (today's date is on the top of the actual rag online)?

How can she be "cured" (no cancer patient says they are cured, they use the word "survivor" knowing it may come back) again? Puleaze! ...
John Kerry's Prostate Cancer "Cured"
October 03, 2004

http://www.healthtalk.ca/prostate_cancer_cured_10032004_8382.php (http://www.healthtalk.ca/prostate_cancer_cured_10032004_8382.php)

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has been cured of prostate
cancer, his doctors have told him, according to a report in the Sunday issue
of The New York Times.

Dr. Patrick Walsh, said "The likelihood that he is going to have a
significant problem with this cancer is infinitesimally small, " reported the
New York Times.

During an interview last month and published this Sunday, Kerry, 60, told
the Times that "I am cured.," and "I am cancer-free, and the percentages of
me being cancer-free 10 years from now are about as good as they get."



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[BrotherMoon]

I can't give Patsy that much credit. I don't think she was that knowledgeable about the Bible.

She was magna cum laude in journalism. Check out her vocabulary in DOI. She's pretty sharp, in her way. Don't judge her relationship to The Scriptures according to your relationship to them. She wouldn't go at them the same way as you do.

Have you read The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie yet, in studying this case? There are some pretty deep subjects in the story.

I think she had a private life in reading. There is a difference between interest or curiosity and compulsion. She may not have sought the ideas out, but having come across them, she would not have been able to resist collecting them.

[txsvicki]

Brother Moon- Do you think that Patsy thought that JonBenet would come back to life from her head wound just as the antichrist in the Bible verses will? From Aid To Bible Understanding;

Satan [Heb., sa tan; resister, adversary].

And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel. (Gen. 3:14, 15) Here god made it known that Satan, cast outside God's holy organization, would have no life sustaining hope, but would eat dust, as it were, until he died. The "seed" eventually was to bruise him in the head, which would signify a death wound.

This is why Patsy hit JonBenet on the head, after strangling her.

[BrotherMoon]

Brother Moon- Do you think that Patsy thought that JonBenet would come back to life from her head wound just as the antichrist in the Bible verses will?

I think resurrection was in her thinking, but again, that thinking has little to do with what rational people recognize as thinking. A psychosis is a sort of waking dream. I think the ransom note was a veiled directive to a God for it's part in a resurrection. "Daughter" in the note is the major persona complex, Patsy, that had been usurped by the alter persona that identifies itself as part of the foriegn faction. That persona complex would return Patsy when the ransom is transfered. The strange, impractical amount of ransom means it is symbolic, probably refering to the meaning of Psalms 118. Since the 118 is in "John's" account I conclude "John" is God. The crux of the note, and of the crime, revolves around the split-off persona complex assimilating the meaning of self sacrifice from The Psalms. Patsy as a whole and as the parts of her psyche failed to assimilate the lesson and transfered the whole process onto an object, then attempted to make that object go through the process for her by proxy. The object died in the process.

[sissi]

hmm Brother Moon, I take things so much more literally. In the beginning, there seemed to be a few giants and if we believe Greek Mythology a few crossbreeds goatmen and such, so along comes God the great scientist, he creates from Adam's dna a woman, he gives them a set of rules, tells them to stay off the puter( it was an apple) as not to pick up any knowledge, and puts emnity between the "seed" of man and any animal so we have no future "goatmen". Now it's over, we put the dna of swine, chickens, horses, monkeys in our vaccines so we have perhaps introduced enough dna to exchange diseases, and we are moving along, with human brain cells in mice, and worse. We conceivably could change God's rule and create a goat man if we choose. It all is a cycle, it begins and it begins..it ends and it ends..world without end...all IMO of course:)

[Kaly]

A psychosis is a sort of waking dream. Hi BrotherMoon,
You've stated that you think Patsy is dissociative, but do you really believe she was psychotic? Why? Thanks.

[sissi]

Brother Moon, do you really believe a person can slip into psychosis, unnoticed by all of those around her?
I DO KNOW what you are talking about, I read the books when young, I too delved so deeply in experiment(drugfree I might add) to know it is possible to cross a line while disassociating the self. I put the books away some 30ish years ago and never looked back, it was all about youth and trying to come to terms with the depths of the being. However, was it Lang who said, psychiatry has never helped an insane person become sane, and others have claimed most of the writers including the one you so often credit, Jung, were themselves suffering from mental illness. Sure a psychiatrist can offer a pill to suppress violence, a mineral to balance an imbalance , and now an entire array of mind altering meds designed to make us all social beings that take over where our basic genetics leave off. But there is no primal scream, no in depth redoing of childhood, no facing our faults or giving up on our dreams that can change who we are.
You may believe Patsy is the killer, and of course you are entitled to your position, but to believe no one noticed a psychotic episode , no one noticed while she was busy ice skating, shopping, partying, and putting together a wonderful Christmas for her children that she was becoming a killer,is too difficult to believe. If she is the killer then she lost it out of anger, not because of JBrodie or because she was turning forty, or because she was slipping out of reality.
IMO she's innocent, and another victim of the murderous evil child killer who remains free.

[Eagle1]

From Aid To Bible Understanding;

Satan [Heb., sa tan; resister, adversary].

And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel. (Gen. 3:14, 15) Here god made it known that Satan, cast outside God's holy organization, would have no life sustaining hope, but would eat dust, as it were, until he died. The "seed" eventually was to bruise him in the head, which would signify a death wound.

This is why Patsy hit JonBenet on the head, after strangling her.

That was getting pretty good until the giant leap to the last sentence, Bro.M. If you kept reading farther in the Aid to Bible Understanding, didn't it say Christ is the seed of the woman? Are you saying Patsy momentarily thought JonBenet was Satan, as some postpartum mothers have thought their offspring were evil? I think I read about one putting her baby in an oven, one time. But I don't think postpartum ever happens 6 yrs after a birth.

What do you think of the possibility that all the friends' partying was somehow worse than all of Patsy put together, and that being what the R's feel guilty about? (As in the case of Danielle Van Dam where the parents were partying, allegedly wife-swapping.)

[BeeBee]

:confused: :doh:

[BrotherMoon]

We are influenced by scientific materialism and the Judeo/Christian myths. Mental processes that are not helpful to social adaptation are deemed pathological, and are to be treated materially. Behavior that in some cultures was considered normal and even desired, in ours is considered "sick". The term psychosis covers these behaviors. So do the terms personality dissorder and dissociation. Our definition of these dissorders and their treatment is as ambiguous and contradictory as our stance on drugs is. Yes, people can slip in and out of psychoses, in and out of personas, in and out of possession states and not be noticed by many people familiar to the sufferer. Patsy did not escape notice. People were alarmed by her treatement of JonBenet. If it is ever proven that she did it, more stories of her symptoms will come out.

[Seeker]

John Kerry's Prostate Cancer "Cured"
October 03, 2004

http://www.healthtalk.ca/prostate_cancer_cured_10032004_8382.php (http://www.healthtalk.ca/prostate_cancer_cured_10032004_8382.php)

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has been cured of prostate
cancer, his doctors have told him, according to a report in the Sunday issue
of The New York Times.

Dr. Patrick Walsh, said "The likelihood that he is going to have a
significant problem with this cancer is infinitesimally small, " reported the
New York Times.

During an interview last month and published this Sunday, Kerry, 60, told
the Times that "I am cured.," and "I am cancer-free, and the percentages of
me being cancer-free 10 years from now are about as good as they get."



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Let me rephrase that for you tipper...no cancer survivor who is realistic about the disease says they were "cured" IMO.

[BrotherMoon]

Cured = Saved, Saved By The Cross, Saved by God. Cancer = the Shadow, Evil, Satan, Death. Patsy is self validating her fantasy. Patsy thinks JonBenet is in a heaven with a God awaiting her mother's arrival. Again, that is a self serving, self created fantasy. Patsy uses lawyers, and DNA reports from CBS to perpetuate the intruder fantasy, and the fantasy that she was not involved.

[Seeker]

I don't know BM, maybe the accronym really stands for Sacrificed Behold The Cure? If you think it's a religious reference and that JB was sacrificed ....I don't know, just bouncing some ideas around here.

[BrotherMoon]

One key to the acronym is the idea that the note is completely about the author. It has little or nothing to do with JonBenet, John, anything or anybody outside Patsy's mind. I say it was written by Patsy in a state of dissociation and regression to a juvenile personality. The drama of the note revolves around the unresolved personality development and moral crisis of Patsy when a juvenile.

The note says John is to follow the instructions to the letter. That is a reference to the upcoming acronym, making the acronym part of the story, part of the process going on in Patsy's mind. If the instructions aren't followed the consequences are death, if they are followed she lives, she is saved from death by John.

Psalms 32:8 I shall make you have insight and instruct you in the way to go.

33:19 To deliver them from death.

50:15 And call apon me in the day of trouble, I will deliver you and you will honor me.

119:146 I have called out to you, save me!. And I will keep your statutes.

If you follow repeating patterns and connections, things make sense. The note is not random or meaningless.

[Seeker]

Most juveniles I know aren't that into the Bible. If Patsy had slipped into a state of dissociation and regression to a juvenile personality I don't know that it (1) wouldn't have been noticed by others outside the family (2) would only have lasted a few hours and (3) she would have killed her child in that way.

We know that Patsy is also into French wording.

I used to think it was Saved By The Cross too, in reference to Patsy's religion, but I don't anymore. It's not the cross that saves anyone (crucifixion actually was an instrument of death) it's either God or the (person's) Savior.

[BrotherMoon]

When an adult regresses they can have the personality of a juvenile and the moral state of a juvenile but can retain access to content obtained by the adult persona through the years. Over time, stories of Patsy's eccentricities will come out. She was noticed. Weren't the Christmas decorations, the presentations of her pageant gowns and crown childish? Didn't Steve Thomas say she was a chameleon and would at times act like a little girl?

The cross is the image associated with Christ. Saved by the cross IS saved by God. It's not your interpretation of things that counts, it's Patsy's. You are not a part of the Charismatic Christain subculture, Patsy is.

In Depth Psychology terms, the mandala is an ordering principle that appears to people in times of stress and psychological disorientation.

[Seeker]

Ummmm, ok if you say so. You make it more in depth than I think it is, but you're the one who studied this aspect. Now excuse me while I :bang: that stuff back out of my mind. ;)

[BrotherMoon]

Ummmm, ok if you say so. You make it more in depth than I think it is, but you're the one who studied this aspect. Now excuse me while I :bang: that stuff back out of my mind. ;)

As long as you do it to yourself and don't involve someone else by proxy, go ahead. :bang:

[Seeker]

As long as you do it to yourself and don't involve someone else by proxy, go ahead. :bang:

Darn! There you go ruining all my fun again! :p

[BrotherMoon]

From Aid To Bible Understanding;

Satan [Heb., sa tan; resister, adversary].

And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel. (Gen. 3:14, 15) Here god made it known that Satan, cast outside God's holy organization, would have no life sustaining hope, but would eat dust, as it were, until he died. The "seed" eventually was to bruise him in the head, which would signify a death wound.

This is why Patsy hit JonBenet on the head, after strangling her.

Golgotha [skull] The place outside, although near, the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus Christ was impaled. "Golgotha" or "Skull Place" is also called "Calvary" (Luke 23:33), from the Latin calvaria ("a bare skull"). - From Aid to Bible Understanding.

The association between the skull and death is clear.

[BrotherMoon]

From Aid to Bible Understanding;

Spirit [Heb., ru'ahh; Gr., pneu'ma]. The English word "spirit" is from the Latin spirare, meaning "to breathe".

The heart is frequently tied with the spirit, indicating a definite relationship. -AtoBU

The duct tape, final position of the neck cord and the "heart" on JonBenet's hand are symbolic.

[gaia]

People walk around you every day with psychosis or in a dissociative state and NO ONE notices. It's all inside most of the time. Sometimes outside behavior reflects it, but everyone I've ever spoken to or has a mental illness tries with all their might to hide it. Good heavens, nobody wants to come off as weird or nuts! Sometimes, as we all know, those with mental illnesses can't hide it or are too tired of trying. Sometimes something triggers a large outward display. Most people, however, can continue to act fairly normal on the exterior. BroMoon's comment about Patsy's strange behavior toward JonBenet is an example of the inner life coming out. She obviously didn't do this all the time; however, her friends were going to talk to her about JonBenet. What does that suggest to you? Don't you think the pageant thing was more than a little over the top? How about the way Patsy kinda "overdid" everything?

The inner life of a person can hum along with all kinds of stuff going on in it. That's true for all of us. Some people have rather elaborate things happening. The plan doesn't surface much until something triggers it. It's kinda like a pot boiling over. Perhaps Patsy was angry when she killed her child (if she did), but the anger triggered something already going on.

Just my own thoughts... :p

[Eagle1]

Possible, of course, hitting her head on something in the bathroom, but the blow was to the top and back of the head.

Another possibility for us to maybe take a break and consider is discussed at http://www.violence-risk.com/paraphilia/sadism.htm which I believe is my link about sexual Sadism, both mild and major, Need to Inflict Pain & Humiliation to provide self-stimulation, then Lust Murders, etc. got such a stack of printouts I may have to edit this later to add other links.

Survivors typically clean up the evidence of autoerotic asphyxiation when the body is found.

One article says autoerotic asphyxiation is a homosexual thing and another says it isn't.

Another says it's about control, total control of another individual.

Other paraphillias, or disorders often coincide with this one.

No record of it happening before age 9, so JonBenet wouldn't have been doing it to herself, and the fingernail scratches where she tried to get the ligature off prove that. If the parents had staged all that just because she hit her head on something, mutilation of corpses, I believe, is necrophilia.
FBI people were even brought in. Wouldn't the experts have recognized it?

Another link http://www.psychdirect.com/forensic/Criminology/para/aea.htm .

[close_enough]

BrotherMoon,

I think you should write a book with your insights into this case. Even just a thin one. It would sell!

i agree.....i would buy it...

[BrotherMoon]

i agree.....i would buy it...

But would it sell enough to cover the law suits?

[DoYouReallyThink]

Where is Brother Moon? I miss his posts.

[skybluepink]

Her "cure" is intimately connected to S.B.T.C , Saved By The Cross. Her cancer and her dark side (moral lapses) are fused in her mind. That fusion is Satan. According to her, she was cured by God, not physicians. Ergo, she was saved by God. She is confusing what is going on in her mind with what is going on in her body, just like she confused JonBenet with her mind. Victory is over death and Satan: Evil. She is projecting that need onto her body, just like she projected it onto JonBenet. She keeps getting "cured" because psychotics have to keep re-enacting the fantasy, as their actions in the real world never really resolve what is going on in their minds.

People often ask, "If she is a killer or shows symptoms of a serial killer, why didn't she kill again?". The answer is, her serial nature is being attended to by her "cures". I have expected her psychotic needs to involve Burke somehow, but it looks like she is fulfilling this need through repeated cures.

Thanks for bringing this up Seeker, you make me as happy as a little girl!"She is confusing what is going on in her mind with what is going on in her body . . . " That could explain why she put on the same clothes she was wearing the evening before. It could be a symbolic way of going back in time to a point when JB was still alive--a reverse transformation to help erase the event (accidently killing her daughter) from her mind.

[RedChief]

"She is confusing what is going on in her mind with what is going on in her body . . . " That could explain why she put on the same clothes she was wearing the evening before. It could be a symbolic way of going back in time to a point when JB was still alive--a reverse transformation to help erase the event (accidently killing her daughter) from her mind.


Yes, Sky, what you say may be true. What might also be true, and lack a clear psychological underpinning, is that Patsy was up all night taking care of bussiness and never got any shut-eye.

She apparently wasn't dead on her feet or the officer would have noticed? Maybe the adrenalin that saw her through the long, laborious note was still pumping at daybreak. This is quite possible. Adrenalin produces sweat, and she hadn't taken a shower, she said, so why couldn't the officers detect that? Oh, I forgot...the Estee Lauder. Also, if she had been crying, as one would expect, wouldn't the eyes be red and the mascara disintegrating? Well, this is all female stuff; how would I know.

Did she act psychotic that morning? There's a term for a brief psychotic episode. Do you know it? It was used to describe Jeffry MacDonald's alleged breakdown--a drug-induced micropsychotic episode? I forget.

The BPD shoulda' sent a shrink to the house that morning, eh; not a police officer. The shrink'd have solved the case in nothing flat...except possibly for flat affect.

Degree in the mail....

[Eagle1]

Yo, Bro. Moon? Are you tha-ah?

Hope you haven't been bashed by Patsy for all your bashing of her. Do you realize that you need to select a "statement" to go on all your posts, according to a previous moderator here, not to get sued, a disclaimer such as "Just my opinion"?

Seeker's being more tactful than I'm going to be. I personally think it's awfully arrogant for anyone to presume to analyse (sp?) when our law says a person is to be assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, when we're not licensed to psycho-analyse anyone. The Terri Schiavo case seems to be proving even professionals may not be so qualified, and there's a petition to impeach that Judge who refuses to hear 90% of what the good side says. ("My mind's made up; don't confuse me with the facts"? )

I'm here looking for that post about confession, actually, thought it was in this thread, by a Catholic. I was just giving the oversimplified protestink point of view, confessing only to God. I don't really think any of the family are guilty, except of not adequately protecting JonBenet.

There's someone who overpowers mens' MINDS, Daniel 11:21, corrupts by con artist flattery and flatters the corrupt, has a covert reign of terror enabled by a series of 8 heads of state or "kings", gets laws changed, Daniel 7:25, and our legalization of Abortion/Euthanasia and the Catholic expression "Culture of Death" may be all the proof we need that he's now.

If more proof is needed, hm....there's a woman he fears is studious enough in prophecy clues to expose him, that he tries to get rid of, schemed to mis-use some "look upon" technology in the ancient book of Micah, hoping to get something on her I guess, and ancient Jeremiah says she's made a Tower Among the Flock, instead of any clergy, who are blinded by his flattery. There's a smear campaign against her like a flood of words but the Bible says she's "The Daughter of Women", "A Tower", and "Clothed With the Sun", probably just waiting for the gov't to catch him, when "none shall help him, right there in Daniel 7 when his time is up. By some strange coincidence, we've had 8 heads of state since Dallas, the last one being one of the previous 7, as in Rev. 17, which we aren't meant to understand until it's happening, but it's not crazy-making as the covert devil would have us think, while he has people trying to destroy Christianity, Ten Commandments, respect for God's Words, etc.

Patsy may know he's going to be revealed but that she couldn't get by with it right now. Some of the Reverse Speech things have said "So now we're supposed to hate you," about JonBenet. That's a "sign" who it was, in my strong opinion. He tries to break up families, sometimes for a properties motive, Micah 2, by slandering mothers and alienating their children from them and from God. He's a failure in religion, Bro. Moon, trying to destroy it and us. So Terri's husband probably fell into this mindset and they may have already begun starving her before the "legal" authorization in hopes that new legislation isn't enacted in time. We may never know.

[sissi]

I like that label, "micropsychotic". In looking it up, and yeah, I had to, it appears these little episodes occur less frequently as one ages, so darn..darn..she would likely be symptom free by now. Eight years removed from a possible diagnosis! Patsy gets away again!

Likely I will now be overusing this new found (on my part) word, as until now I called what I see "adult temper tantrums". When a child wants something that he can't have, or wants a situation to be what it can't reasonably be, he can shout ,lay on the floor, hold his breath or whatever he needs to do to try to force the adults to play by his rules. My son-in-law, a sociopath/pd mongrel type, has these tantrums often, he gets an idea in his head, acts out, often criminally, puts the blame on his victim de jour, never has the need to feel remorse because the whole action was/is someone elses fault. While I have always seen these episodes as "adult temper tantrums", I see this guy will now have a psychiatric defense when he finally kills someone, a "micropsychotic episode". Sounds like a month of r&r due him at the local institution, poor guy.
Ours will get the break, he has a history of these behaviors, assault, domestic violence, property destruction, and on, so likely his has built a defense with years of these "micropsychotic" episodes.
Poor Patsy, BM, considering she has only a disassociative personality disorder ya' think she just had one little episode, that nasty one where Jonbenet died?

[RedChief]

I like that label, "micropsychotic". In looking it up, and yeah, I had to, it appears these little episodes occur less frequently as one ages, so darn..darn..she would likely be symptom free by now. Eight years removed from a possible diagnosis! Patsy gets away again!

Likely I will now be overusing this new found (on my part) word, as until now I called what I see "adult temper tantrums". When a child wants something that he can't have, or wants a situation to be what it can't reasonably be, he can shout ,lay on the floor, hold his breath or whatever he needs to do to try to force the adults to play by his rules. My son-in-law, a sociopath/pd mongrel type, has these tantrums often, he gets an idea in his head, acts out, often criminally, puts the blame on his victim de jour, never has the need to feel remorse because the whole action was/is someone elses fault. While I have always seen these episodes as "adult temper tantrums", I see this guy will now have a psychiatric defense when he finally kills someone, a "micropsychotic episode". Sounds like a month of r&r due him at the local institution, poor guy.
Ours will get the break, he has a history of these behaviors, assault, domestic violence, property destruction, and on, so likely his has built a defense with years of these "micropsychotic" episodes.
Poor Patsy, BM, considering she has only a disassociative personality disorder ya' think she just had one little episode, that nasty one where Jonbenet died?


sissi,

You're back! Haven't seen you around much lately. How does this son-in-law of yours manage to stay out of the pokey? From the way you describe him, he's a prime candidate for three hots and a cot.

Microspychotic? I just made that up. heh, heh You don't mean to say there's really such a phenomenon? Wouldn't I make a great psychiatrist!

While we're not on the subject, what's your opinion of Jeffry MacDonald, with respect to his guilt or innocence? I can see I'm going to have to review that "Fatal Vision" case, because I faintly recollect another neat (cool these days) term that the mind scientists came up with to describe his behavior. It wasn't sociopath, but something close to that. Evidently, if you believe the psychopathologists, these anti-socials (that's the new term) can function well in society, are usually gifted, are apt to be overachievers (whatever that means) and see the rest of us (extremely psychologically well) folks as stepping stones to their success and nothing more. In short, they use people; have no conscience. I have no doubt there are at least a few folks like that roaming around out there--the predators. I think I've met one or two in my long sojourn.

Dissociative personality? Well, now I've learned a new term. Tit for tat. Is that anything like multiple personality? Are any of Patsy's alleged psychological problems well documented? Or, are we assuming that because we "KNOW" she killed her kid, she must be as fruity as a pineapple upsidedown cake? Or, if she's just covering for Burke, maybe she's not quite that fruity; maybe more like the single cherry in a whole can of fruit cocktail?

On the subject of psychology in general, there's a fellow by the name of Szats (SP?) who is himself a psychologist who says most "mental illness" is not illness at all. And there's another fellow by the name of Laing (or Laying) who asks, "In adjusting to the mad whole, does not a well person become really [genuinely] sick?"

It has always amused me (a lay person, if not a Laing person) that we refer to folks as psychologically this or psychologically that or he has a psychological problem, etc. Now, if you parse the term and define it literally, you are saying that so-and-so has a study-of-the-mind problem. What on earth does that mean? I think to be correct, we should say he has a psyche problem. Psychology purports to study the psyche---an invisible source of behavioral manifestations. The less visible something is, the more comfortably we can speculate about it.

But, I digress....now, if you overuse this new-found term, there is probably a disorder in the diagnostic manual (the psychiatrists' bible) that applies to your condition. Watch out for a "group of individuals" in white coats, rushing in your direction.


And, top o' the mornin' to ya....

[sissi]

I've been here, doing hard time with the kiddies and have made several false starts at replies, just can't quite finish one.

Was it Euripides, who said "whom the gods want to destroy they first make mad"? Poor Patsy, the cancer wasn't enough to bear, those gods got after her, gee, what rotten luck.Oh on the subject, a slow response to "the divinci code", the Vatican has officially warned all christians to avoid reading the book at all costs! How were we to know? Damn my mind has been poisoned, I am running to last supper sites peaking at "peter" aka mary magdeline. To think I never read the gospel according to phillip and thus did not know God was a maneater..hence all of those animal sacrifices to keep him well fed. Oh we are so easily influenced, so don't buy the book!!

Let's see, the little girl in FL, likely they gave her killer a head start, after all ..grandma's lie detector test came out a little funny..so some time was wasted on that!! What is wrong with people, is the entire generation just plain STUPID! ..must have been that thimerasol..they are all madhatters!

What do I think..Patsy fruit and nutty, or victim of a murderous lune? There is NO doubt in my mind that that a PC term..anti social personality..killed Jonbenet and it wasn't Patsy. I can't explain every detail, or make it all fit, but I have someone here that could make it all work (and yep yep, he's been arrested, but the little tear running down the cheek, and soft hearts that won't testify have kept him up and running to continue to destroy lives).
Patsy doesn't seem to fit into this. Hey btw, I used sun-in on my kids hair, because yeah I hated to give up on that tow head look ,I put on makeup before I go downstairs, I have worn the same jeans twice, and I have mine made to fit, I am borderline narcisistic? I've raised five kids, am working on three more, I LOVE their talents, ( I have a 9 year old that can do order of operations correctly!), my one daughter belonged to a dance company that traveled ..starting at age 8. Another sawed the legs off of my coffee table before turning four , but at 18 built a sun porch for me! I had one bedwetter, who had night terrors ,as well, and he's alive..I never felt he should die for his imperfections. I pray to my God every day, and I ask for a lot more than I give thanks for. So now I'm narcissistic and a delusional fanatic? What I'm saying is the things we do in our daily lives can't be picked apart and separated in an effort to apply some kind of evil pathology, and this is what I see so many doing to Patsy. She is the mother of a murdered child, does anyone want that status? It's the WORST! I hope for her, that someone solves this crime to give her the peace and closure she deserves.

[skybluepink]

Yes, she is certainly the mother of a murdered child, but compare her behavior with that of Laci Peterson's mother--Sharon Rocha (I think that's her name). Her heart-piercing and eloquent comments after her daughter disappeared and then was found dead are a stark contrast to the obtuse doubletalk of Mrs. R.

In fact, I think Sharon Rocha could run for some elective office & get elected--unlike Mr. R.

P.S. What talented kids you have. Mazel tov.

[Eagle1]

Has she ever thought about divorcing your son-in-law? But that often provokes a killing. I had an aunt who was shot, along with her oldest of about seven sons, who was driving her to apply for a divorce, and pretended he was dead in order to get them away. The father drank. In so many cases, the wife was about to leave the husband. Does she keep a cell phone on her to call for help?

Red Chief, that's a very good post. I especially like the last paragraph. Yeah, I had a few psych courses, enough to find out it's a lot of doublespeak, still in its infancy almost.

That's funny about you making up a new term. I've rephrased my above post so it reads a bit more clearly.

Yes, we really don't "Know" Patsy is the killer and it's like "Fools rush in" if we negatively presume too much and will be proven wrong, made fools of. Patsy was forced to participate in the coverup because caught in "the wrong place at the wrong time", and It's true she didn't cry enough right at first, but the self-preservation acts had to come first. She must have just been kept too busy to let grief hit her during the emergency.
They may have all been brainwashed, professionally, although people in that kind of business would use someone else as "insulation" instead of revealing himself personally. She may not know exactly who it was, but may know what he is. Immune from prosecution and powerful enough to be believed if it were her word against his, maybe. A typical sociopath. Hates beauty queens. And women in general, as some once pointed out there's murals of women in coffins in a "gallery" under the Denver Airport. Some at WS, before our last site move, felt one resembled JonBenet.

There's gotta be a lot more to this than meets the eye.

[IrishMist]

I like that label, "micropsychotic". In looking it up, and yeah, I had to, it appears these little episodes occur less frequently as one ages, so darn..darn..she would likely be symptom free by now. Eight years removed from a possible diagnosis! Patsy gets away again!

Likely I will now be overusing this new found (on my part) word, as until now I called what I see "adult temper tantrums". When a child wants something that he can't have, or wants a situation to be what it can't reasonably be, he can shout ,lay on the floor, hold his breath or whatever he needs to do to try to force the adults to play by his rules. My son-in-law, a sociopath/pd mongrel type, has these tantrums often, he gets an idea in his head, acts out, often criminally, puts the blame on his victim de jour, never has the need to feel remorse because the whole action was/is someone elses fault. While I have always seen these episodes as "adult temper tantrums", I see this guy will now have a psychiatric defense when he finally kills someone, a "micropsychotic episode". Sounds like a month of r&r due him at the local institution, poor guy.
Ours will get the break, he has a history of these behaviors, assault, domestic violence, property destruction, and on, so likely his has built a defense with years of these "micropsychotic" episodes.
Poor Patsy, BM, considering she has only a disassociative personality disorder ya' think she just had one little episode, that nasty one where Jonbenet died?
Uh, Sissi... are you my ex mother-in-law????

[thepostess]

As a mother of 3 children, all of whom are completely different people, I tend to agree with you. Each child is supposed to be different and special.

As a mother, it is just too hard to coomprehend any mother doing to their own child, what happend to JB. Although Patsy clearly seems to have been living vicariously through her daughter, maybe to relive her past, I don't think she killed her. Having seen some of the autopsy photos *disturbing to say the least*, I just can't see a mother doing that to their child.

She may have written the note to cover up for someone else. That I don't know...

[sissi]

Has she ever thought about divorcing your son-in-law? But that often provokes a killing. I had an aunt who was shot, along with her oldest of about seven sons, who was driving her to apply for a divorce, and pretended he was dead in order to get them away. The father drank. In so many cases, the wife was about to leave the husband. Does she keep a cell phone on her to call for help?

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Yes Eagle she has considered it, and spent thousands to get the process moving, however in our city, where most children are neglected by absentee fathers, the courts were automatically going to push him into half custody.
Dangerous! Yes! Will he kill her? My guess is yes, and likely me and the kids too. His problem isn't alcohol, he's a textbook sociopath/psychopath, so much so, that HIS psychologist approached my daughter's counsellor, to alert to the grave dangers he feels exist. Can the police help? Courts? In a small way, yes , with restraining orders, keeping him away from schools, homes and workplaces, but it's a paper, and just a rule, and he has yet to follow a rule.
In order to absolutely protect these women, there should be a program similar to witness protection to move them quietly away.
However, my daughter always has hope of some "cure", and in fact, you will love this one, her comment yesterday, " I feel sorry for Scott Peterson, he's just like Bob, people who see it hate him, maybe someone else killed his wife, maybe Scott is going to die because he's a sociopath and was easy for the jury to hate". My comment, so what, one less sociopath, who needs them!

Back to case, after RC sent me off to read the entire '98 JR interview, I saw something I recognized. Paraphrased, ""Patsy brought home people like one brings home lost pets", she was so friendly, something he didn't understand however I do , and as I've said before, Patsy was naive to let so many people into her life, doing so likely caused one deadly exposure.

[Camper]

There's nothing online about it that I can find, however it's posted at FFJ that there is an article in this weeks NE stating Patsy has been "cured" of cancer yet again.

I noticed the first post was made yesterday...did the rag come out yesterday (today's date is on the top of the actual rag online)?

How can she be "cured" (no cancer patient says they are cured, they use the word "survivor" knowing it may come back) again? Puleaze! So what's up with this? Did she lie about having cancer again just to upstage Burke's birthday (which was yesterday and he's a legal adult now, 18)? Mz Drama momma even has to upstage her own son and be the center of attention on his special day?

Or are the Ramsey's getting ready to pull another one of their many money making schemes?

Something is up, and it's going to make the Ramsey's look even more guilty than they do already. Maybe she's terrified that Burke (now 18) is going to confess to what he knows and she's afraid. But, "how cruel can you be, boy, when your mom is so ill?"...this should keep him quiet for a little while longer eh John? Like until he's, oh I don't know, 40?





---------------------->>>Well, the next collective book to be authored by the Ramseys should tell How they did that. It would be a best seller. They could call it "Gone Again", or a popular take off on Gone With The Wind, "Gone With The Cancer ~ Again".


Edited to add: In the NE article was the doctors name mentioned that had cured her yet again.

Also she obviously was not cured before, because it came back again. Is 'In remission' the words that should have been used. Mr. Demille is my Makeup alright, this is my better side ? . (Funky punctuation. Jazz and Funk equal Junk.)


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