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SoSueMe
10-27-2012, 02:46 PM
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Police release pictures of a cross that may be related to Jessica's case as well as the case in May. Read more and see pictures of the cross here:
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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/19/wooden-cross-could-provide-break-in-ridgeway-case/ (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/19/wooden-cross-could-provide-break-in-ridgeway-case/)

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Maizensue
10-27-2012, 02:49 PM
I just thought of this because I read a book about serial killers in the recent past but has anyone thought about AS and older/elderly victims? I read that young/new killers sometimes .....no good word for this....practice/start with not only animals but the elderly.
I am really just curious to hear from those of you who have been around on here longer than I have if you have ever heard of this. Do any of these guys go from elderly people to kids? Aside from BTK, I know he didn't care who it was.
Thanks in advance!
Btw, I consider y'all my new hobby. : )
Some moms scrapbook or cook while their kid is napping. I get on WS.
Naptime should be ending soon but I will check back with y'all after bed time.
Have a great day and again, thanks to anyone who responds.

AstroKitty
10-27-2012, 03:05 PM
I don't know about the elderly angle but I'd love to hear what you've learned.
I don't know much about the BTK, for some reason he never really struck an interest with me, so maybe I should learn a bit more about him then what is on wikipedia.

Welcome!

ChattyWoman
10-27-2012, 03:09 PM
Geesh Louise! I'm trying so hard to play 'catch up' in this case! I leave for 10 minutes to take the litter box out - come back two pages behind and a new thread!

tlcya
10-27-2012, 03:11 PM
I just thought of this because I read a book about serial killers in the recent past but has anyone thought about AS and older/elderly victims? I read that young/new killers sometimes .....no good word for this....practice/start with not only animals but the elderly.
I am really just curious to hear from those of you who have been around on here longer than I have if you have ever heard of this. Do any of these guys go from elderly people to kids? Aside from BTK, I know he didn't care who it was.
Thanks in advance!
Btw, I consider y'all my new hobby. : )
Some moms scrapbook or cook while their kid is napping. I get on WS.
Naptime should be ending soon but I will check back with y'all after bed time.
Have a great day and again, thanks to anyone who responds.

First off - :welcome: to Websleuths! It does sort of become an obsession, this sleuthing business ;)


Eta I just noticed youve been a member for a while but an infrequent poster. I guess it is mre acurate to welcome to posting :)

In response to your question, I am not aware of the statistics and have no link to provide, but it would appear that AS did not have a specific type. His criteria seems to have been female, but even that is simply an assumption on my part. When the jogger abduction was foiled, he moved on to a younger, smaller, weeker victim in Jessica.

So weakness/vulnerability would appear to be a factor in his victim selection. In perps such as he, I would think it safe to assume that the elderly, the infirm, or disabled would also fit the bill.

katydid23
10-27-2012, 03:12 PM
some people in the last thread were talking about whether AS might have had access to other vehicles. Didn't someone say that his fathers house had a 15 car garage? And I think his Dad was out of town a lot. So I bet he had chances to 'borrow' vehicles from his dad's house.

Gardenlady
10-27-2012, 03:17 PM
15 car garage?!

:thud:

AstroKitty
10-27-2012, 03:18 PM
wow a 15 car garage? That beats out my dad for his mid life criss garage lol. Im sure he had access to other cars, most of us do if our car isn't running etc etc. Im 34 and if my car has issues, I have to call around to borrow for an errand.
I just hope it's not the case that he did borrow anyone's car, although he wouldn't be the first.
Gary Ridgeway did so.

tlcya
10-27-2012, 03:20 PM
some people in the last thread were talking about whether AS might have had access to other vehicles. Didn't someone say that his fathers house had a 15 car garage? And I think his Dad was out of town a lot. So I bet he had chances to 'borrow' vehicles from his dad's house.

Possible but hard to say without knowing how involved his dad was in his life. His dad has a colorful criminal history, including DV charges, so it is equally possible IMO that he was estranged from his father and had zero access to his dad's properties or vehicles.


Not discounting, just don't have enough info to speculate.

Maizensue
10-27-2012, 03:21 PM
I read that young/newer killers/rapist, if it is a sexual motivation/crime might start with an elderly woman first because they live alone and are easy to subdue. They don't always murder them but sometimes they do. I can't remember the book...maybe it was Mindhunter or one like it. Whatever book everyone reads about profiling serial killers.
I wanted to know about this bc sometimes on my local news I will hear about an 85 year old woman being sexually assaulted and I used to think, "jeez, really? Why?!" Sometimes the local news would report that they found the guy and he would be in his late teens. Again I would wonder "WTH?"
*** Please don't think I think same age sexual assaulted doesnt deserve a "WTH" either!!
Then I read the SK books and one of the authors talks about it.

As for BTK, all I know is he didn't have a certain person. He murdered young and old and men and women. I will let people who do know about him share because he hasn't been on of the SKs I've been reading about yet. Yet.

DylansMom34
10-27-2012, 03:23 PM
Possible but hard to say without knowing how involved his dad was in his life. His dad has a colorful criminal history, including DV charges, so it is equally possible IMO that he was estranged from his father and had zero access to his dad's properties or vehicles.


Not discounting, just don't have enough info to speculate.

Has there been any reports of what other vehicles were in AS's house?

Maizensue
10-27-2012, 03:28 PM
First off - :welcome: to Websleuths! It does sort of become an obsession, this sleuthing business ;)


Eta I just noticed youve been a member for a while but an infrequent poster. I guess it is mre acurate to welcome to posting :)

In response to your question, I am not aware of the statistics and have no link to provide, but it would appear that AS did not have a specific type. His criteria seems to have been female, but even that is simply an assumption on my part. When the jogger abduction was foiled, he moved on to a younger, smaller, weeker victim in Jessica.

So weakness/vulnerability would appear to be a factor in his victim selection. In perps such as he, I would think it safe to assume that the elderly, the infirm, or disabled would also fit the bill.

Thanks! Yes, a viewer and infrequent poster. It takes me awhile to come out of my shell? I also have a toddler. I think of stuff to say but by the time I get a chance to post I am pages and pages (sometimes threads) behind or someone else beat me to it.

tlcya
10-27-2012, 03:38 PM
Has there been any reports of what other vehicles were in AS's house?

I think just the SUV and maybe a scooter. Someone a couple threads back link a news story interviewing one of his peers/acquaintances in which the person discuussed seeing AS riding on his scooter, if I recall correctly.

FootballMom
10-27-2012, 03:39 PM
Geesh Louise! I'm trying so hard to play 'catch up' in this case! I leave for 10 minutes to take the litter box out - come back two pages behind and a new thread!

I know what you mean - dang litterbox seems like it always overflowing as soon as you clean it up... even when there is only one pesky feline. :floorlaugh:

Elainera
10-27-2012, 03:41 PM
Ah! That's why! Ok, understand. I have to say I'm very impressed by the way the mods do their job here on these boards. They are spot on, firm, but I never feel shouted at. And I guess it's not an easy job what with the high amount of traffic some cases get and emotions running high. Plus legal issues have to be considered. I don't think it's always easy, and it's certainly time consuming as well. But the result is a really good forum and very interesting and meaningful discussions. Great job!

Needed to be said, right? :)

FootballMom
10-27-2012, 03:41 PM
I was thinking that but wasn't sure, thanks for answering. Damn when I left it only had 32 pages. Oh well. How long has this new thread been up? Just curious to know how much I have missed out on!

Less than an hour.

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 03:43 PM
I found his father's address and looked the house up. On Satellite view on Google Maps, I see a non-attached 2-car garage. It also looks like there's an attached garage, which looks to be 3 spots, at the most. However, on Zillow, it says: "Garage - Detached". So I think he has anywhere from 2-5 garage spaces.

concentric
10-27-2012, 03:45 PM
Eileen730--been thinking about that case you mentioned on the last thread for a couple of days now, Alyssa Bustamonte. I believe she got life with the possibility of parole.

In one of my posts, I said that there are quite a few juveniles who committed murder, who said:

they wanted to know what it felt like.

A list could be made.

PlainJaneDoe
10-27-2012, 03:45 PM
I know what you mean - dang litterbox seems like it always overflowing as soon as you clean it up... even when there is only one pesky feline. :floorlaugh:

Ahhhh yes what a delight! Mine waits until I come home to use the box. As soon as I get in the door...yay! It's mom! Run to the door! Roll around and purr! Take a flying leap into the box! Look mom, missed ya so much I made you a present! Then he will watch as I clean out the box, and as soon as I turn my back...:sigh:

spamelope
10-27-2012, 03:46 PM
Body of young woman found in Clear Creek - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18381728?source=bb#ixzz2AWwVadXX
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

I couldn't find much more about this, but the comment is interesting. This article was from June, 2011. FWIW, Wheat Ridge is very close to Arvada and Westy.
SBM

FruitTingles
10-27-2012, 03:46 PM
Yep, housekeeping. Our mods work hard here. It'll be back in no time.

I need to do some housekeeping of my own but the longest I can stay away from here for is just to refresh the page! (with the exception of sleep).
Well done to our mods :)

OpenMind4U
10-27-2012, 03:48 PM
Jungle is out there (means, CO).....and possibly everywhere else, unfortinately (means, in USA and around the world)...our childrens are growing-up in virtual reality thanks to Internet, TV, games, texting...and busy schedule of the parents who needs to work very hard to be able to accomodate their childrens with all these luxury...including, providing pretty good car to 17 year old who doesn't work yet....!!!! World is really changing....toward JUNGLE. jmo


http://www.examiner.com/article/austin-reed-sigg-jessica-ridgeway-predator-and-prey-it-s-a-jungle-out-there

FruitTingles
10-27-2012, 03:48 PM
Eileen730--been thinking about that case you mentioned on the last thread for a couple of days now, Alyssa Bustamonte. I believe she got life with the possibility of parole.

In one of my posts, I said that there are quite a few juveniles who committed murder, who said:

they wanted to know what it felt like.

A list could be made.

I remember reading her post online about it. I think that will haunt me forever! Wow, I don't even have the words for that case, just like this one.

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 03:48 PM
I'm wondering what dad's net worth is. The media is able to find that information for the rich and famous all the time, so they need to get digging.

GrainneDhu
10-27-2012, 03:50 PM
some people in the last thread were talking about whether AS might have had access to other vehicles. Didn't someone say that his fathers house had a 15 car garage? And I think his Dad was out of town a lot. So I bet he had chances to 'borrow' vehicles from his dad's house.

That doesn't sound so much like a garage to me as a warehouse! I mean, I've seen car dealerships that couldn't fit in that many cars

Off topic but I couldn't resist.

tlcya
10-27-2012, 03:50 PM
I refresh wash a sinkfull of dishes, rinse and put in the dishdrain, come back, read, post, refresh, the go do another sinkfull, lol.

Lather, rinse,repeat :crazy:

Grower
10-27-2012, 03:51 PM
Has anyone suspected bath salts? People who use them do some freaky sh#t. I just found out an acquaintance of mine is using them and turning into a freak. It's really common now as they don't show up in a drug test and no way of knowing. If you're semi freaky anyway, it would be easy to get into this stuff.

foxbluff
10-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Thanks! Yes, a viewer and infrequent poster. It takes me awhile to come out of my shell? I also have a toddler. I think of stuff to say but by the time I get a chance to post I am pages and pages (sometimes threads) behind or someone else beat me to it.

bbm: OMG... it's like you've been reading my diary! LOL (:

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Eileen730--been thinking about that case you mentioned on the last thread for a couple of days now, Alyssa Bustamonte. I believe she got life with the possibility of parole.

In one of my posts, I said that there are quite a few juveniles who committed murder, who said:

they wanted to know what it felt like.

A list could be made.

Yes she could get out on parole!
she wanted to know what it felt like to kill.
Poor Elizabeth!

FruitTingles
10-27-2012, 03:56 PM
Yes she could get out on parole!
she wanted to know what it felt like to kill.
Poor Elizabeth!

O/T but here is a link of a news article where it even states what she wrote in her diary about it. Sick.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15538798


Anyway,
Has there been any word on a Funeral for little Jessica?

Maizensue
10-27-2012, 03:57 PM
bbm: OMG... it's like you've been reading my diary! LOL (:

I'm gonna think of all kinds of interesting things to say and ask but my toddler is up and I will be back later tonight. See everyone on what? Thread #34? : )
^^^That's me being funny. Or not.

FruitTingles
10-27-2012, 03:57 PM
Has anyone suspected bath salts? People who use them do some freaky sh#t. I just found out an acquaintance of mine is using them and turning into a freak. It's really common now as they don't show up in a drug test and no way of knowing. If you're semi freaky anyway, it would be easy to get into this stuff.

Excuse me for sounding dumb but... Using them how? :waitasec:

DylansMom34
10-27-2012, 03:59 PM
O/T but here is a link of a news article where it even states what she wrote in her diary about it. Sick.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15538798


Anyway,
Has there been any word yet on a Funeral for little Jessica?

I haven't heard anything but I wonder if they are waiting for more of Jessica's remains to be recovered. (which, as a mother, I can't even imagine dealing with)

GrainneDhu
10-27-2012, 03:59 PM
Eileen730--been thinking about that case you mentioned on the last thread for a couple of days now, Alyssa Bustamonte. I believe she got life with the possibility of parole.

In one of my posts, I said that there are quite a few juveniles who committed murder, who said:

they wanted to know what it felt like.

A list could be made.

Someone posted in response that some of those statements could be due to just being adolescent and not having the insight or words to describe what was going on in their minds.

I think that could be true in some cases.

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 04:00 PM
I looked up Alicia's case:

Bustamante had been charged with first-degree murder and by pleading guilty to the lesser charges she avoided a trial and the possibility of spending her life in an adult prison with no chance of release.

Could that happen here?

BTW, Alicia murdered Elizabeth in October 2009, and she was convicted in February 2012. That's almost THREE years...and read the quote above: "She avoided a trial". So it will probably be 2015-2016 before Austin's trial.

absentia
10-27-2012, 04:02 PM
Body of young woman found in Clear Creek - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18381728?source=bb#ixzz2AWwVadXX
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

I couldn't find much more about this, but the comment is interesting. This article was from June, 2011. FWIW, Wheat Ridge is very close to Arvada and Westy.
SBM

that is a curious comment

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 04:04 PM
I'm wondering what dad's net worth is. The media is able to find that information for the rich and famous all the time, so they need to get digging.
Are they any relation to Sigg Water bottles?

tlcya
10-27-2012, 04:05 PM
Bath salts is the slang name for a new synthetic drug that is snorted (I think).

Imagine cocaine, meth and PCP combined and you can imagine the sort of behaviors its users are capable of.

ETA LINK http://www.inhalant.org/inhalant-abuse/bath_salts/?gclid=CLat5PL_obMCFal7Qgod0VQA1Q

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 04:06 PM
A teenager who slit her young neighbor's throat and called it "enjoyable" may have the opportunity to walk free one day.

Alyssa Bustamante, 18, was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in a Missouri courtroom today


http://abcnews.go.com/US/thrill-killer-alyssa-bustamante-parole-day/story?id=15538798

absentia
10-27-2012, 04:07 PM
Someone posted in response that some of those statements could be due to just being adolescent and not having the insight or words to describe what was going on in their minds.

I think that could be true in some cases.

yes, it's a very simplistic statement. with Alyssa, she had too much anger. family life and personal history of abuse, abandonment, drugs, massive depression, cutting, etc, and a high dose of prozac that she self prescribed.

a thrill kill is never just a thrill kill. the feeling of thrill is b/c the other feelings are so repressed it takes something that actually touches the depth of anger or pain to elicit a response enough that the killer actually feels something beyond their own deadened emotional capacity.

in this sick sense, it is the killer's way of trying to live and allow their inner life and feelings an outlet. it's an attempt to feel whole and healthy. like people who use drugs & alcohol to self medicate and feel something besides anger and hurt. it's dysfunctional and unhealthy and dangerous but it's an attempt on the perp's part to feel alive. a very deep primal instinct amidst some serious issues.

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 04:11 PM
yes, it's a very simplistic statement. with Alyssa, she had too much anger. family life and personal history of abuse, abandonment, drugs, massive depression, cutting, etc, and a high dose of prozac that she self prescribed.

a thrill kill is never just a thrill kill. the feeling of thrill is b/c the other feelings are so repressed it takes something that actually touches the depth of anger or pain to elicit a response enough that the killer actually feels something beyond their own deadened emotional capacity.

Do you remember her and her brothers electrocuting themselves on the electric fence?

Desdemona
10-27-2012, 04:11 PM
some people in the last thread were talking about whether AS might have had access to other vehicles. Didn't someone say that his fathers house had a 15 car garage? And I think his Dad was out of town a lot. So I bet he had chances to 'borrow' vehicles from his dad's house.
I stated in a previous thread that the Google satellite view (don't know the date of that image) shows about 15 different vehicles parked at the property.

No idea about Dad being out of town a lot, or whether AS had access to other vehicles, just clarifying the 15-car bit.

HTH

absentia
10-27-2012, 04:13 PM
Do you remember her and her brothers electrocuting themselves on the electric fence?

no, I didn't hear that part. trying to feel something AND to kill themselves at the same time?

Grower
10-27-2012, 04:13 PM
Excuse me for sounding dumb but... Using them how? :waitasec:

Google it. You would be surprised. They smoke them, snort them. My friend started dissolving them in monster drinks. You buy them at smoke shops or head shops. They make you nuts.

Little is known about how many people use "bath salts".[5] In the UK, mephedrone is the fourth most commonly used drug among nightclub goers after cannabis, MDMA and cocaine.[5] Based on reports to the American Association of Poison Control Centers, use of "bath salts" in the US is thought to have increased significantly between 2010 and 2011.[5] The increase in use is thought to be a result of their widespread availability and sensationalist media coverage.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_(drug)

pinto
10-27-2012, 04:14 PM
Are they any relation to Sigg Water bottles?

Doubtful, that is an old Swiss company. But I guess the dad could be a relation in some manner....

Grower
10-27-2012, 04:17 PM
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That drug, known as bath salts, has reportedly been linked to some pretty crazy behavior – including the face-eating attack in Miami.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/10-facts-about-the-crazy-drug-linked-to-cannibal-attacks-2012-6?op=1#ixzz2AX4scx3G

tlcya
10-27-2012, 04:17 PM
yes, it's a very simplistic statement. with Alyssa, she had too much anger. family life and personal history of abuse, abandonment, drugs, massive depression, cutting, etc, and a high dose of prozac that she self prescribed.

a thrill kill is never just a thrill kill. the feeling of thrill is b/c the other feelings are so repressed it takes something that actually touches the depth of anger or pain to elicit a response enough that the killer actually feels something beyond their own deadened emotional capacity.

in this sick sense, it is the killer's way of trying to live and allow their inner life and feelings an outlet. it's an attempt to feel whole and healthy. like people who use drugs & alcohol to self medicate and feel something besides anger and hurt. it's dysfunctional and unhealthy and dangerous but it's an attempt on the perp's part to feel alive. a very deep primal instinct amidst some serious issues.

Excllent analysis of AB specifically and thrill killers in general IMO.

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 04:18 PM
no, I didn't hear that part. trying to feel something AND to kill themselves at the same time?

Her brothers were little kids at the time she was having them race to the fence and grab it it was electrified!

emo was the rage at that time!

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 04:20 PM
Doubtful, that is an old Swiss company. But I guess the dad could be a relation in some manner....

Its possible Sigg isnt a very common name!

PlainJaneDoe
10-27-2012, 04:22 PM
A Brief History Of The Crazy Drug Tied To Cannibalism
Erin Fuchs | Jun. 17, 2012, 7:13 PM | 58,109 | 19

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The use of a hallucinogen tied to a recent cannibal attack has skyrocketed in recent years.

That drug, known as bath salts, has reportedly been linked to some pretty crazy behavior – including the face-eating attack in Miami.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/10-facts-about-the-crazy-drug-linked-to-cannibal-attacks-2012-6?op=1#ixzz2AX4scx3G

I'm pretty sure that only pot was found in his system, fwiw.

tlcya
10-27-2012, 04:22 PM
no, I didn't hear that part. trying to feel something AND to kill themselves at the same time?

IIRC ABsuggested this game to her little brothers, and yes, to the first, possibly yes to the second. AB is one very dangerous, messed up girl. Similar to AS in that respect.

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 04:24 PM
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/ridgeway-murder-suspect-had-a-difficult-past/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/murder-suspects-father-releases-statement/

http://kdvr.com/2012/10/24/ridgeway-murder-suspect-austin-siggs-father-no-stranger-to-police/

some articles about RS, AS's father. Father is in Mexico and was there upon AS's arrest. Father has a checkered past.

Grower
10-27-2012, 04:25 PM
I'm pretty sure that only pot was found in his system, fwiw.

They don't test for bathsalts and/or can't be detected. That is one of the reasons they use them as an alternative to other drugs. I was told that's one of the problems when cps takes kids away. They can't monitor if the parents are clean or not before they give the kids back.

foxbluff
10-27-2012, 04:26 PM
Body of young woman found in Clear Creek - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18381728?source=bb#ixzz2AWwVadXX
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

I couldn't find much more about this, but the comment is interesting. This article was from June, 2011. FWIW, Wheat Ridge is very close to Arvada and Westy.
SBM

BBM - Ty, Spamelope, for the link. And, yes, I too find the first (& only) comment interesting. Personally, ppl who immediately "jump on LE" when a tragedy occurs, tends to tell me more abt the commenter/poster than it does abt subj LE. (Hope that's clear to everybody...)

DylansMom34
10-27-2012, 04:27 PM
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/ridgeway-murder-suspect-had-a-difficult-past/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/murder-suspects-father-releases-statement/

http://kdvr.com/2012/10/24/ridgeway-murder-suspect-austin-siggs-father-no-stranger-to-police/

some articles about RS, AS's father. Father is in Mexico and was there upon AS's arrest. Father has a checkered past.

It is interesting that AS was attending school in Arapahoe County and the dad's house would be much closer than the mom's house. I wonder if AS and his brother spent much time with the dad.

fred&edna
10-27-2012, 04:29 PM
I missed all of the (now with the mods for dry-cleaning) last thread due to the fact I went outside to my Jeep where I... held my left foot up, right elbow down, peered into the rear view mirror, squinted real hard, twirled the windshield wiper blades in examination, all the while listening to "Du Hast" on the cd player, and then... I did it all backwards. I came up with nothing.

I hope we're talking about something new now :D


** This case is so very sad in so many ways, but I couldn't resist poking some fun at "us"

nikb
10-27-2012, 04:32 PM
Has anyone suspected bath salts? People who use them do some freaky sh#t. I just found out an acquaintance of mine is using them and turning into a freak. It's really common now as they don't show up in a drug test and no way of knowing. If you're semi freaky anyway, it would be easy to get into this stuff.

I'm at least 2-3 threads behind again :) but, BBM, I just had to say I freaking HATE HATE HATE that stuff. I've never tried it, never will, but seriously? From the little bit I've read it's basically poison reformulated to be create an effect that's sort of combo between cocaine and meth. Even though they're supposedly illegal in my state I see them in convenience stores. Right next to the "5 Hour Energy" there'll be bath salts named things like "Widowmaker" and "Black M amba." All just IMO and what I've heard/read, I can find links if anyone wants them. I kind of doubt it's related to this case though. Seems like this was a much deeper problem and has been going on a lot longer than "let's snort some poison and see what happens." IMO.

TreeClimbingGirl
10-27-2012, 04:34 PM
Has anyone suspected bath salts? People who use them do some freaky sh#t. I just found out an acquaintance of mine is using them and turning into a freak. It's really common now as they don't show up in a drug test and no way of knowing. If you're semi freaky anyway, it would be easy to get into this stuff.

I seriously doubt it. Bath Salts can cause psychotic and sometimes violent behavior, but also an extremely disorganized thought process. This was an organized, relatively well thought out crime. Not trying to give AS more credit than he deserves, but it's not something that anyone would be able to pull off in a drug-induced psychosis.

I think the fact that he made at least one prior attempt tells us this was not a spur of the moment or drug induced act. Actually, if we are to believe that the attempted abduction at Ketner Lake in 2010 was his doing (and police have said from the beginning they felt the two incidents were related) that means he has been an active (if not succesful) predator since he was 15 years old :what:

tlcya
10-27-2012, 04:34 PM
It is interesting that AS was attending school in Arapahoe County and the dad's house would be much closer than the mom's house. I wonder if AS and his brother spent much time with the dad.

That is a very good question and the andswer may be gleaned if we see LE activity around dad, his properties, vehicles, etc in the days to come. If so then we can assume if LE feels that AS had access to these places then he probably did and that would confirm dad's involvement in his sons' lives. If LE does not investigate those things we can probably assume he was not part of their lives any real degree.

:cow:

Sigh Sister
10-27-2012, 04:35 PM
I missed all of the (now with the mods for dry-cleaning) last thread due to the fact I went outside to my Jeep where I... held my left foot up, right elbow down, peered into the rear view mirror, squinted real hard, twirled the windshield wiper blades in examination, all the while listening to "Du Hast" on the cd player, and then... I did it all backwards. I came up with nothing.

I hope we're talking about something new now :D

Hahaha! Thanks for taking one for the team. :seeya:

I did have a new observation about the jeep video, but I'm keeping it to myself now. : :):

pinto
10-27-2012, 04:36 PM
It is interesting that AS was attending school in Arapahoe County and the dad's house would be much closer than the mom's house. I wonder if AS and his brother spent much time with the dad.

ACC is about halfway in between the two houses.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 04:36 PM
I don't know about the elderly angle but I'd love to hear what you've learned.
I don't know much about the BTK, for some reason he never really struck an interest with me, so maybe I should learn a bit more about him then what is on wikipedia.

Welcome!

The documentary below is an older one, but discovery ID ran a new one today that I can not locate. It was very interesting and provided much more info on BTK's childhood days. BTK had a mentor who was a CA prolific serial killer & studied true crime & detective magazines as a child. BTK, also claimed demonic possession and the X Factor, as did Son of Sam and others.
BTK attended WSU & graduated with a BS in Admin. Criminal Justice.

BTK; Dennis Rader(KS)..He escalated to ritualistic murder. He had predug the grave of one of his last victims and photographed/videoed himself in the grave wearing her bra/panties/burial mask before burying the innocent victim...

Burial masks were worn during burial rituals in the neolithic period(stone age)..
Many of BTK victims clothes/other personal items/IDs;dr licenses etc., were found at his residences. Even a few that were prior & future intended victims; the more fortunate ones..


BTK - 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f9ajZMlj-eM
Dennis Rader Documentary Part 1 - YouTube

2 -http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPbU6R63YMI
Dennis Rader Documentary Part 2 - YouTube

3 -http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f9ajZMlj-eM
Dennis Rader Documentary Part 3 - YouTube


The BTK killer's last known communication with the media and police was a padded envelope which arrived at FOX affiliate KSAS-TV in Wichita on February 16, 2005. A purple, 1.44-MB Memorex floppy disk was enclosed in the package. Also enclosed were a letter,

a photocopy of the cover of a 1989 novel about a serial killer (Rules of Prey)

__________________________________________________ ___________________

http://brainshare.zxq.net/criminolog...%20Victims.pdf

Myths & Facts about serial killers
1. They are nearly all white. One in five U.S. serial killers is black.
2. They are all male. Nearly 16% are female.
3. They are all insane. Insanity is a legal term. Very few
offenders (2%–4%) are legally insane.
4. They are all lust killers. Many are, but several cases do not
involve sexual assaults, torture, or
sexual mutilations.
5. They kill dozens of victims. A few have high body counts, but
most kill fewer than 10 victims.
6. They kill alone. About one in four have one or more
partners in murder.
7. Victims are beaten, stabbed,
strangled, or tortured to death.
Some victims are poisoned or shot.
8. They are all very intelligent. Most are of average intelligence.
9. They have high mobility in the
United States.
Most offenders remain in a local area.
10. They are driven to kill because
they were sexually abused as
children.
Many kill as a result of rejection and
abandonment in childhood.
11. Most serial murderers cannot stop
killing.
Some serial killers stopped killing for
several years before they killed again
or until they were caught, including
Dennis Rader (BTK), Jeffrey
Gorton, Jeffrey Dahmer, and
Theodore Kaczynski. Such offenders
often substitute paraphilic behaviors
or other diversions in lieu of killing.
12. Most serial killers want to be
caught.
Like anyone, they learn and gain
confidence from experience. Many
want-to-be serial killers end up in
prison after their first murder. Some
become very adept at concealing
their identities and may feel as if they
will never be caught.

TreeClimbingGirl
10-27-2012, 04:41 PM
I'm at least 2-3 threads behind again :) but, BBM, I just had to say I freaking HATE HATE HATE that stuff. I've never tried it, never will, but seriously? From the little bit I've read it's basically poison reformulated to be create an effect that's sort of combo between cocaine and meth. Even though they're supposedly illegal in my state I see them in convenience stores. Right next to the "5 Hour Energy" there'll be bath salts named things like "Widowmaker" and "Black M amba." All just IMO and what I've heard/read, I can find links if anyone wants them. I kind of doubt it's related to this case though. Seems like this was a much deeper problem and has been going on a lot longer than "let's snort some poison and see what happens." IMO.
I went to a head shop the other day (For the record-TO BUY INCENSE CANDLES! They have homemade incense that is amazing, don't judge me, lol) and struck up a convo with the shop owner that eventually came around to bath salts. He said the manufacturers are constantly sending him free samples and has even had marketing reps come to his store and try to convince him to become a vendor, but he refuses to sell that crap. He has middle school and high school kids come in there and ask about it all the time.

Scary stuff, but i do agree it isn't related to this crime in any way.

AstroKitty
10-27-2012, 04:43 PM
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That drug, known as bath salts, has reportedly been linked to some pretty crazy behavior – including the face-eating attack in Miami.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/10-facts-about-the-crazy-drug-linked-to-cannibal-attacks-2012-6?op=1#ixzz2AX4scx3G

Uh I don't think bath salts played anything in this. And that post about the guy in Miami? He wasn't on bath salts.

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 04:44 PM
This is interesting!

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/austin_reed_sigg_robert_sigg_media_empire_law_trou bles.php

AstroKitty
10-27-2012, 04:44 PM
I seriously doubt it. Bath Salts can cause psychotic and sometimes violent behavior, but also an extremely disorganized thought process. This was an organized, relatively well thought out crime. Not trying to give AS more credit than he deserves, but it's not something that anyone would be able to pull off in a drug-induced psychosis.

I think the fact that he made at least one prior attempt tells us this was not a spur of the moment or drug induced act. Actually, if we are to believe that the attempted abduction at Ketner Lake in 2010 was his doing (and police have said from the beginning they felt the two incidents were related) that means he has been an active (if not succesful) predator since he was 15 years old :what:

There was a noted incident where he got therapy for his porn addiction etc etc at 15. *tossing that out there* ;)

Just K
10-27-2012, 04:46 PM
Just one question re: "Bath Salts": Were they ever used for baths or were they always meant to be used as some kind of mood enhancing drug? If not, then who decided that it might be a good idea to ingest/smoke soap?.

TreeClimbingGirl
10-27-2012, 04:48 PM
There was a noted incident where he got therapy for his porn addiction etc etc at 15. *tossing that out there* ;)

Do we have any more information about that? I haven't been around much for the past day or so...

I had an inkling it might be something a little more sinister than finding his dad's stash of girlie magazines...

nikb
10-27-2012, 04:49 PM
I went to a head shop the other day (For the record-TO BUY INCENSE CANDLES! They have homemade incense that is amazing, don't judge me, lol) and struck up a convo with the shop owner there that eventually came around to bath salts. He said the manufacturers are constantly sending him free samples and has even had marketing reps come to his store and try to convince him to become a vendor, but he refuses to sell that crap. He has middle school and high school kids come in there and ask about them all the time.

Scary stuff, but i do agree it isn't related to this crime in any way.

Sorry for the OT but re: the shop owner, good for him!!! No judgement on your store visit of course lol.

i.b.nora
10-27-2012, 04:50 PM
I think the father is closer to the younger son than he is/was to Austin.

PlainJaneDoe
10-27-2012, 04:50 PM
This is interesting!

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/austin_reed_sigg_robert_sigg_media_empire_law_trou bles.php

Comments are very interesting as well! Thank you for posting!

PlainJaneDoe
10-27-2012, 04:54 PM
Do we have any more information about that? I haven't been around much for the past day or so...

I had an inkling it might be something a little more sinister than finding his dad's stash of girlie magazines...

Something that had crossed my mind was that maybe "porn addiction" was what he got treated for because "porn" is what AS blamed his behavior on when he was caught doing something unacceptable. JMOO. Not sure if it is even plausible but it occurred to me, dunno why.

ETA: implying that although he may have had a porn addiction problem, maybe not. Maybe he was just blaming "porn" because someone put the words into his mouth, or someone (himself or another person) "needed" (not judging here! And open to the idea that it was a personal need or a medical-legal need, whatever) to have something other than AS's personal deviance* to blame for whatever the behavior was.

*im not name-calling here but what I mean by personal deviance is what you might sum up as "He's a sick SOB."

nikb
10-27-2012, 04:54 PM
Just one question re: "Bath Salts": Were they ever used for baths or were they always meant to be used as some kind of mood enhancing drug? If not, then who decided that it might be a good idea to ingest/smoke soap?.

I don't think they are/were ever soap. I'm a bit lost on where the name came from, maybe just sounded innocent and they look similar enough? I read an article comment online once that cracked me up, a lady with arthritis was super upset that "bath salts" had been banned because "it's the only thing that helps me not ache!" She had dozens of replies letting her know it wasn't the soap type of "bath salts."

fred&edna
10-27-2012, 04:56 PM
This is interesting!

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/austin_reed_sigg_robert_sigg_media_empire_law_trou bles.php

I thought the "American Heroes" video was interesting. (info about that is on the westword blog as well). I think anyone (as long as you have the $) can ride in that vintage B-17 as it tours various airports across the country, but I wonder why his sons were not there to experience that flight... seems like a great father/son opportunity.

Just K
10-27-2012, 05:02 PM
I'm so sick of the excesses that people go to for the purposes of getting high...sometimes it seems like pure stupidity. I remember first hearing about these chemicals about a year ago but i thought it was some natural substance initially thought to be harmless. Was that the substance that M Cyrus was smoking on that infamous video? Supposedly it was something legal.

Anyway... ITA, IMO, this case does not have to do with with bath salts. I could be wrong but the murder of Jessica Ridgeway appears to have been premeditated and fairly organized within it's "spontaneity."

GrainneDhu
10-27-2012, 05:10 PM
Her brothers were little kids at the time she was having them race to the fence and grab it it was electrified!

emo was the rage at that time!

The way you put it makes it sound like it was clearly the result of a sick mind.

However, just about everyone I know who grew up on a farm either tricked each other into touching an electric fence and/or participated in cattle prod duels. In fact, farmers in my area have a saying "a cow touches it once a year; a sheep touches a hot wire once a month; a 15 year old touches it once a week."

I'm just saying that just based on that one action, it's hard for me to tell the difference between Alyssa Bustamente and an average farm kid who grows up to be a perfectly normal and not criminal adult.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Body of young woman found in Clear Creek - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18381728?source=bb#ixzz2AWwVadXX
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

I couldn't find much more about this, but the comment is interesting. This article was from June, 2011. FWIW, Wheat Ridge is very close to Arvada and Westy.
SBM


Couldn't find an update/identity of the young woman found in clear creek but found the platte river:
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=94479&catid=339

Body pulled from South Platte River

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 05:26 PM
Do we have any more information about that? I haven't been around much for the past day or so...

I had an inkling it might be something a little more sinister than finding his dad's stash of girlie magazines...


Imo, this may have been one of the many reasons that the Judge sealed the evidence and placed a gag order in the Jessica Ridgeway abduction/murder investigation. Due to Juvenile criminal records and HIPAA laws, doubt we will learn just how sinister Austin Reed Siggs past is...

Where there is smoke there is fire...

sunni
10-27-2012, 05:29 PM
no, I didn't hear that part. trying to feel something AND to kill themselves at the same time?


There were videos posted on Youtube. Alyssa and her two brothers on the grandparents farm/land. It was eerie.

SoBeCzar
10-27-2012, 05:31 PM
For those asking about BTK. The story was fascinating in that the murders stopped only to return again years later in the same town. He communicated with LE through the newspapers so the public had increased fear reading his about his communications. He would bound then torture and kill. Bind Torture Kill was a name he gave himself. He seemed to want his victim dead. Posing one's body with make up in a church he had attended.
With this desire to kill to get his kicks he is sort of like AS. We have yet to learn what his sexual fantasies are but likely he is into necrophilia. Also he was an elder in his church and family man. AS is also someone you would not expect to commit such a crime. Both crimes have the essence of a dead heart. BTK's confession in court was sterile, unemotional. It makes me think that both of them viewed people as objects. Some of BTK's acquaintances spoke of him as being mean. Going so far as to measure their lawn with a ruler in order to ticket them for city ordinance violations. He also was said to have many dog collars that were thought to be of animals he came across in his job and killed.

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 06:07 PM
LOl I deleteted the obit it was the wrong name lol

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 06:08 PM
For those asking about BTK. The story was fascinating in that the murders stopped only to return again years later in the same town. He communicated with LE through the newspapers so the public had increased fear reading his about his communications. He would bound then torture and kill. Bind Torture Kill was a name he gave himself. He seemed to want his victim dead. Posing one's body with make up in a church he had attended.
With this desire to kill to get his kicks he is sort of like AS. We have yet to learn what his sexual fantasies are but likely he is into necrophilia. Also he was an elder in his church and family man. AS is also someone you would not expect to commit such a crime. Both crimes have the essence of a dead heart. BTK's confession in court was sterile, unemotional. It makes me think that both of them viewed people as objects. Some of BTK's acquaintances spoke of him as being mean. Going so far as to measure their lawn with a ruler in order to ticket them for city ordinance violations. He also was said to have many dog collars that were thought to be of animals he came across in his job and killed.

Many sexual predators are emulators/copycats. BTK was a copy cat of a prior serial killer. With the recent arrest of Austin Reed Siggs, the tragic cycle continues, imo...:

http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/RDK
RDK (short for "Rape, Dismember, Kill") was a notorious serial killer who raped, mutilated, and murdered several women back in the seventies and who was never identified or captured. His crimes were later recreated by a frustrated crime novelist named Humphrey Becker. (SVU: "Scavenger")

In the 1970s, Captain Donald Cragen and Sergeant Max Greevey investigates an unknown man began to rape and murder women. It was never understood why, but by the time he'd finished, five women were dead, their bodies mutilated. A sixth woman, Jeannette Henley, survived; during her rape, he poured gasoline on her skin to torture her, and she managed to grab the bottle and splashed it in his eyes. 25 years later RDK was later re-created by a...

RDK was probably based on the notorious BTK (for "Bind, Torture, Kill"), another anonymous serial killer. However, BTK was later identified as Dennis Rader, who has since been locked away for his crimes.

RDK hung his first victim, then with a knife he cut his second victim's skin which led to her bleeding to death, then he possibly drowned his third victim and decapitated his fourth victim.
Read more-

Copycat serial killer Eric Olson also copied BTK Rader's M.O. during one of his murders, though he raped that victim while Rader did not do that to any of his victims.

"Go Figure"... The problem is when you have a very intelligent serial killer that emulates/copycats many serial killers prior, changing up their MOs and signatures as did Gary Michael Hilton(GA). FBI VICAP knew that an abnormal amount of women were missing up and down the east coast/Appalacians, yet thought it was many, when it was only one, imo...

FYI- http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/about/authors/lohr/index.html
David Lohr ... who writes for Huffington Post and the Examiner, was instrumental in identifying BTK...imo

Eileen730
10-27-2012, 06:08 PM
There were videos posted on Youtube. Alyssa and her two brothers on the grandparents farm/land. It was eerie.

Wasnt it tho?
and they would hit each other with bats.

Wasnt her dad in jail for murder or something mom too?

katydid23
10-27-2012, 06:13 PM
I stated in a previous thread that the Google satellite view (don't know the date of that image) shows about 15 different vehicles parked at the property.

No idea about Dad being out of town a lot, or whether AS had access to other vehicles, just clarifying the 15-car bit.

HTH

OK, great. Thanks for the clarification.

I do believe that Dad had a few vehicles laying around his home. And it has been said he traveled for business. He was away on business in Mexico when AS was arrested.

We saw recent pictures of AS, with his little brother and their Dad. And LE was searching Dad's property I believe. So they must think that AS had been there recently.

I think AS knew how to get onto his Dad's property and he probably knew where the car keys were kept. JMO

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 06:15 PM
is this Jessica's or Alyssa's thread?

katydid23
10-27-2012, 06:16 PM
I think the father is closer to the younger son than he is/was to Austin.

That's probably true. But I bet AS still knew how to get into his Dad's home and property.

Dee10
10-27-2012, 06:17 PM
:shush:When an arrest is made, I typically follow the case for maybe another day perhaps, then leave it until trial or the verdict type thing. I am finding this case different for me personally as I am still here. I realize more answers will probably not come until trial, but I just have a feeling this story isn't over yet. :waiting: Maybe when I hear all her remains are found...and her family can have a funeral...:please:

AmandaReckonwith
10-27-2012, 06:21 PM
is this Jessica's or Alyssa's thread?

It is Jessica's but the comparison is quite valid.

If anyone is interested in reading/watching/looking at pics from Elizabeth Olten's case (murdered brutally by Alyssa) then check out the case archive. I have everything saved and the fence vid is there too.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten%20%20-MO-/


AND NOW.... Back to Jessica...

Case archive is here:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica%20Ridgeway%20%20-CO-/

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 06:25 PM
It is Jessica's but the comparison is quite valid.

If anyone is interested in reading/watching/looking at pics from Elizabeth Olten's case (murdered brutally by Alyssa) then check out the case archive. I have everything saved and the fence vid is there too.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten%20%20-MO-/


AND NOW.... Back to Jessica...

Case archive is here:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica%20Ridgeway%20%20-CO-/

Thanks, Amanda.

I think I see what is going on. My last post has been deleted.

Really appreciate all you do!!

JustSomeGirl
10-27-2012, 06:28 PM
Just one question re: "Bath Salts": Were they ever used for baths or were they always meant to be used as some kind of mood enhancing drug? If not, then who decided that it might be a good idea to ingest/smoke soap?.

they arent actual bath salts, they just look like them

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 06:30 PM
It would be really nice if we could get some folks that were friends, family, acquaintainces, or neighbors of predator Austin Reed Siggs, to join and become verified on websleuths to share in their thoughts. As far as I know, the honorable judge's authority does not overide the 1st amendment of the US Constitution.
After all why should he care, his family has been updated, made aware, and warned for their safety...imo..

After all if a mountain lion or grizzly bear was seen or active in a neighborhood. The public would be warned. Yet when a predator such as Austin Reed Siggs has been preying on our families, friends, and loved ones, and may have sidekicks/associates, a gag order is issued? What's up with that?

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/09/bear-warning.html
BEAR WARNING !

The Colorado State Department of Fish and Wildlife is advising hikers, hunters and golfers to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while in the Dillon, Breckenridge, and Keystone areas. They advise people to wear noise-producing devices such as little bells on their clothing to alert but not startle the bears unexpectedly. They also advise the carrying of pepper spray in case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch for fresh signs of bear activity.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 06:34 PM
:shush:When an arrest is made, I typically follow the case for maybe another day perhaps, then leave it until trial or the verdict type thing. I am finding this case different for me personally as I am still here. I realize more answers will probably not come until trial, but I just have a feeling this story isn't over yet. :waiting: Maybe when I hear all her remains are found...and her family can have a funeral...:please:

Dee10, how is this case different to the many others, iyo?

Dee10
10-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Dee10, how is this case different to the many others, iyo?

We still haven't heard if all her remains are found, will he be tied to any more cases...IDK I just feel or am not sure if it is over just yet. :waitasec:

i.b.nora
10-27-2012, 06:45 PM
That's probably true. But I bet AS still knew how to get into his Dad's home and property.
One does not preclude the other.

yrmfp
10-27-2012, 06:53 PM
We still haven't heard if all her remains are found, will he be tied to any more cases...IDK I just feel or am not sure if it is over just yet. :waitasec:

I agree.This case and Autumns have made my shed more tears than any other.Maybe because I still can not understand the "why".....Plus I have daughters this age so all I can think of is them or their friends when I see the pictures of these girls.

enchilada
10-27-2012, 06:56 PM
:shush:When an arrest is made, I typically follow the case for maybe another day perhaps, then leave it until trial or the verdict type thing. I am finding this case different for me personally as I am still here. I realize more answers will probably not come until trial, but I just have a feeling this story isn't over yet. :waiting: Maybe when I hear all her remains are found...and her family can have a funeral...:please:

I am the same way, except I don't usually come back for the trial. I like to know the verdict but there are always new missing people's threads to keep up with and I can't follow them all.

SapphireSteel
10-27-2012, 07:05 PM
Does he have accomplices?

I remember watching footage of an attempted abduction outside a nightclub, where the woman got away. LE said that attempt was linked with the one in the park because a chemical rag was used also.

In that attempt, a third party was driving so there was at least one other person in the car.

annmarie62
10-27-2012, 07:09 PM
This case is so sad, and so scary; Jessica was literally murdered by "the boy next door." I'll bet he had been watching her for quite a while, figured he'd do better to prey on a child to make it easier to snatch and control his victim. I know he was treated for porn addiction a while back?? Jeez, he started watching porn at a very young age! Where was all this access to porn coming from? I wonder if his home internet use was monitored at all... probably not... sounds like he spent a lot of time on his own, with a lot of freedom> but that is the case for a lot of teens, and they don't murder and mutilate. I wonder if the sexual assault was his #1 intent; I tend to think that he was most interested in watching her die and cutting her up. I think he thoroughly enjoyed dismembering her. MONSTER.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 07:14 PM
Does he have accomplices?

I remember watching footage of an attempted abduction outside a nightclub, where the woman got away. LE said that attempt was linked with the one in the park because a chemical rag was used also.

In that attempt, a third party was driving so there was at least one other person in the car.

Excellent point, SapphireSteel...

Dee10
10-27-2012, 07:23 PM
Does he have accomplices?

I remember watching footage of an attempted abduction outside a nightclub, where the woman got away. LE said that attempt was linked with the one in the park because a chemical rag was used also.

In that attempt, a third party was driving so there was at least one other person in the car.

I don't remember LE ever saying publicly those two incidences were connected, but of course they would be looking for evidence of such. How many people use chemicals on a rag to try & subdue someone these days? Also didn't both women say the chemical burned? I am on the fence about an accomplice. :fence:

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 07:31 PM
I don't remember LE ever saying publicly those two incidences were connected, but of course they would be looking for evidence of such. How many people use chemicals on a rag to try & subdue someone these days? Also didn't both women say the chemical burned? I am on the fence about an accomplice. :fence:


Been following missing/murdered persons cases since 2007. Never seen the response of LE Agencies as were brought in on the Jessica Ridgeway abduction, investigation....
Was it due to the upcoming election? A known active predator in the Denver area? Anyone have any ideas? WHY? She was only a little girl doing what little girls do...Why?
Why- Rascal Flatts Lyrics - YouTube

Worry Wart
10-27-2012, 07:35 PM
Excellent point, SapphireSteel...

I've thought about the accomplice theory also. If that were the case why would he confess ( I don't believe he gave a truthful confession anyway) and not implicate the accomplice? Because he was bullied and another monster would accept him as a friend if he went along with this? Is he covering for someone because he is a minor and thinks he will get a lighter punishment? I don't believe it is so. Any ideas?

Ricki
10-27-2012, 07:40 PM
This is interesting!

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/austin_reed_sigg_robert_sigg_media_empire_law_trou bles.php

If you read the comment from the profiler he has a blog. Anyone know why there is a comment directed at Websleuths?

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 07:43 PM
I've thought about the accomplice theory also. If that were the case why would he confess ( I don't believe he gave a truthful confession anyway) and not implicate the accomplice? Because he was bullied and another monster would accept him as a friend if he went along with this? Is he covering for someone because he is a minor and thinks he will get a lighter punishment? I don't believe it is so. Any ideas?


Psychopaths are deflective, creative, intelligent, manipulative, talk in riddles, and love to play head games...Their thought patterns are 180 degrees of normal folks...they have no human emotions..
Imo Austin Reed Siggs had associates/sidekicks and didn't begin his evil trail of terror on October 5, 2012...

Criminal Minds Promo Super Bowl 2010 - YouTube

i.b.nora
10-27-2012, 07:44 PM
I don't remember LE ever saying publicly those two incidences were connected, but of course they would be looking for evidence of such. How many people use chemicals on a rag to try & subdue someone these days? Also didn't both women say the chemical burned? I am on the fence about an accomplice. :fence:
I think early on law enforcement was entertaining the notion that the assault outside the bar was connected to the Ketner Park incident but I don't think they have announced anything definitive since.

Personally, I don't think Austin Sigg had an accomplice for any of the only two incidents we know about and that he is being held for, Jessica and Ketner Park jogger.

Here is a good early article about the bar incident and early thoughts:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/womans-attempted-kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

Dee10
10-27-2012, 07:47 PM
Been following missing/murdered persons cases since 2007. Never seen the response of LE Agencies as were brought in on the Jessica Ridgeway abduction, investigation....
Was it due to the upcoming election? A known active predator in the Denver area? Anyone have any ideas? WHY? She was only a little girl doing what little girls do...Why?
Why- Rascal Flatts Lyrics - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEBWJ-nxVoM)

They always bring in the CARD team right away for a child and they ruled out the parents very early on. They also found the backpack and parts of her quickly and once they processed the field & the backpack, if they weren't sure before they knew then that this was a stranger abduction on horrific levels. It was a given he would strike again if not caught, plus you had reported attempted abductions happening around town. That is just my opinion.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 07:48 PM
I think early on law enforcement was entertaining the notion that the assault outside the bar was connected to the Ketner Park incident but I don't think they have announced anything definitive since.

Personally, I don't think Austin Sigg had an accomplice for any of the only two incidents we know about and that he is being held for, Jessica and Ketner Park jogger.

Here is a good early article about the bar incident and early thoughts:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/womans-attempted-kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora


"Aurora Police have no reason to believe that this case is anyway connected to any other incidents and do believe that this is an isolated event," said Sgt. Cassidee Carlson.

CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia reported Sunday night that the case bears some similarities to an attempted abduction case five months ago near Ketner Lake in Westminster.

In that case, a Hispanic male, 5 feet 6 to 5 feet 8 inches tall. He also attempted to use a rag with chemicals on it to subdue a woman.

In both cases, the victims complained of a burning substance on their skin where the towel or rag touched them.

Aurora police have informed Westminster police about the abduction attempt.

willow
10-27-2012, 07:49 PM
I think he has an "accomplice" , and while he's incarcerated, something will happen to create reasonable doubt. Remember, he thinks he's clever. Just my opinion.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 07:54 PM
They always bring in the CARD team right away for a child and they ruled out the parents very early on. They also found the backpack and parts of her quickly and once they processed the field & the backpack, if they weren't sure before they knew then that this was a stranger abduction on horrific levels. It was a given he would strike again if not caught, plus you had reported attempted abductions happening around town. That is just my opinion.


Yes, Dee10, yet in the Isabel Celis(AZ) abduction, as well as many others, I don't remember the enormous resources being utilized in any other child abduction cases.. Don't get me wrong, I think it is great.. Can you imagine the enormous costs of an investigation of this magnitude?


Isabel Mercedes Celis, missing Ariz. girl, was abducted, police confirm
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57435320-504083/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-ariz-girl-was-abducted-police-confirm/

Just K
10-27-2012, 07:59 PM
I've thought about the accomplice theory also. If that were the case why would he confess ( I don't believe he gave a truthful confession anyway) and not implicate the accomplice? Because he was bullied and another monster would accept him as a friend if he went along with this? Is he covering for someone because he is a minor and thinks he will get a lighter punishment? I don't believe it is so. Any ideas?

One thing to consider, given the lady with the dog, who saw him and friends hanging out along the trail, could be that the others watched and waited just out of view. Possibly they persuaded him to do it or they were waiting to participate in the aftermath... participate after he successfully grabbed someone. Given the types of creeps that are drawn to each other in those "dark" forums, it is not out of the question that he met others of like ilk. After all, CO LE just nabbed that scraggly duo who tried a few times to abduct other women. And then, there are the two at the Sports bar parking lot.

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 08:01 PM
One thing to consider, given what the lady with the dog, who saw him and friends hanging out along the trail, could be that the others watched and waited just out of view. Possibly they persuaded him to do it or they were waiting to participate in the aftermath... participate after he successfully grabbed someone. Given the types of creeps that are drawn to each other in those "dark" forums, it is not out of the question that he met others of like ilk. After all, CO LE just nabbed that scraggly duo who tried a few times to abduct other women. And then, there are the two at the Sports bar parking lot.


Sounds interesting, Just K..Need Links, please..

Dee10
10-27-2012, 08:02 PM
Yes, Dee10, yet in the Isabel Celis(AZ) abduction, as well as many others, I don't remember the enormous resources being utilized..


Isabel Mercedes Celis, missing Ariz. girl, was abducted, police confirm
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57435320-504083/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-ariz-girl-was-abducted-police-confirm/

What about Kyron Hormon, they brought in a ton of agencies. Do you think that case would be on par? Originally, I believe they thought Kyron was possibly a stranger abduction case.

Just K
10-27-2012, 08:04 PM
Sounds interesting, Just K..Need Links, please..
The links are all in the previous threads. No need to relink, IMO. Just talking theory and how it is possible that he had either active participants or an audience, of sorts.

here's the scraggly duo:
http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=939&bih=437&tbm=isch&tbnid=F5WLkiQUk4UqlM:&imgrefurl=http://kdvr.com/2012/04/29/photos-released-of-suspects-in-attempted-abduction-of-lone-tree-girls/&docid=SJBgBcZfUx681M&imgurl=http://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/greenwald-and-desrosiers.jpg%253Fw%253D400&w=400&h=225&ei=HHeMUO2JBYXYqgHdiYH4DQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=473&vpy=141&dur=2368&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=137&ty=142&sig=110323332848851226460&sqi=2&page=2&tbnh=128&tbnw=229&start=8&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:0,i:131

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 08:07 PM
The links are all in the previous threads. No need to relink, IMO. Just talking theory and how it is possible that he had either active participants or an audience, of sorts.

LOL, wasn't chiding you, just interested...Been trying to keep up with all the posts...impossible..

Just K
10-27-2012, 08:12 PM
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/344512/28/Ex-girlfriend-JessicaRidgeway-suspected-killer-was-sweet

Watch video for 20 something female with dog who saw AS and friends two times on the trail and she wasn't comfortable with it...felt like they were up to something (Standley Lake trail)

Foxfire
10-27-2012, 08:13 PM
The links are all in the previous threads. No need to relink, IMO. Just talking theory and how it is possible that he had either active participants or an audience, of sorts.

here's the scraggly duo:
http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=939&bih=437&tbm=isch&tbnid=F5WLkiQUk4UqlM:&imgrefurl=http://kdvr.com/2012/04/29/photos-released-of-suspects-in-attempted-abduction-of-lone-tree-girls/&docid=SJBgBcZfUx681M&imgurl=http://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/greenwald-and-desrosiers.jpg%253Fw%253D400&w=400&h=225&ei=HHeMUO2JBYXYqgHdiYH4DQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=473&vpy=141&dur=2368&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=137&ty=142&sig=110323332848851226460&sqi=2&page=2&tbnh=128&tbnw=229&start=8&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:0,i:131

Unrelated, imo, Just K...but glad they have their mug shots out there....

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:26 PM
I don't remember LE ever saying publicly those two incidences were connected, but of course they would be looking for evidence of such. How many people use chemicals on a rag to try & subdue someone these days? Also didn't both women say the chemical burned? I am on the fence about an accomplice. :fence:

LE never did say they were related. maybe copycat. I actually wondered if it was staged to piss off and draw out the JR killer. at the time they didn't have a suspect for JR, and I wonder if LE thought he'd get mad if they alluded to someone else being the perp, having to use 2 people and having to use the chemical rag.

Footwarrior
10-27-2012, 08:30 PM
They always bring in the CARD team right away for a child and they ruled out the parents very early on. They also found the backpack and parts of her quickly and once they processed the field & the backpack, if they weren't sure before they knew then that this was a stranger abduction on horrific levels. It was a given he would strike again if not caught, plus you had reported attempted abductions happening around town. That is just my opinion.

Finding the backpack was what really kicked this investigation into high gear. At that point they knew for certain that it was an abduction. Not because they found proof that Jessica was dead, but because being left on the sidewalk that far away didn't fit with any other scenario. With family and close acquaintances already cleared by law enforcement it had to be the work of a stranger.

SapphireSteel
10-27-2012, 08:30 PM
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/344512/28/Ex-girlfriend-JessicaRidgeway-suspected-killer-was-sweet

Watch video for 20 something female with dog who saw AS and friends two times on the trail and she wasn't comfortable with it...felt like they were up to something (Standley Lake trail)

Exactly.

Add that in to the attempted park abduction, which in turn is linked to the attempted nightclub abduction, which appeared to have at least 2 possibly 3 perps...

Maybe LE are building the case to make some more arrests.

SapphireSteel
10-27-2012, 08:33 PM
LE never did say they were related. maybe copycat. I actually wondered if it was staged to piss off and draw out the JR killer. at the time they didn't have a suspect for JR, and I wonder if LE thought he'd get mad if they alluded to someone else being the perp, having to use 2 people and having to use the chemical rag.

I don't think they can have been copy cat because

1. they occurred before Jessica
2. they were not publicised
3. we still don't know exactly how LE linked AS to both so a copy cat wouldn't know either

Just my opinion of course.

:cow:

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:35 PM
If you read the comment from the profiler he has a blog. Anyone know why there is a comment directed at Websleuths?

just that she likes WS and recommends it. that WS does good work and Trisha is the "real deal".

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:36 PM
I don't think they can have been copy cat because

1. they occurred before Jessica
2. they were not publicised
3. we still don't know exactly how LE linked AS to both so a copy cat wouldn't know either

Just my opinion of course.

:cow:

I was responding specifically to the attempted abduction caught on video in Aurora after JR's death. I wondered if it was staged as a ruse to piss off JR's killer and draw him out.

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Exactly.

Add that in to the attempted park abduction, which in turn is linked to the attempted nightclub abduction, which appeared to have at least 2 possibly 3 perps...

Maybe LE are building the case to make some more arrests.

Yah, I wonder about this as well as AS appearing to have access to multiple cars. He could have been just checking things out in that park with his friends not knowing his real motivation, OR they could have been scouting an abduction site/plan together. the use of different cars could be due to a couple of buddies, or the family's cars.

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:40 PM
One thing to consider, given the lady with the dog, who saw him and friends hanging out along the trail, could be that the others watched and waited just out of view. Possibly they persuaded him to do it or they were waiting to participate in the aftermath... participate after he successfully grabbed someone. Given the types of creeps that are drawn to each other in those "dark" forums, it is not out of the question that he met others of like ilk. After all, CO LE just nabbed that scraggly duo who tried a few times to abduct other women. And then, there are the two at the Sports bar parking lot.

and it's totally possible his accomplices thought they were participating in an abduction/rape scenario, not knowing AS was gonna kill and dismember the body and keep parts of it.

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:42 PM
If you read the comment from the profiler he has a blog. Anyone know why there is a comment directed at Websleuths?

I think the profiler is a woman.

PlainJaneDoe
10-27-2012, 08:42 PM
I was responding specifically to the attempted abduction caught on video in Aurora after JR's death. I wondered if it was staged as a ruse to piss off JR's killer and draw him out.

You talkin about the 1 where the lady knocks the dude on his butt in the parking lot?

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:48 PM
for the legal experts - is the fact that AS kept bodyparts enough to get him the max sentence? It proves he didn't just snap. he planned it, was proud, wanted to relive it, and has no remorse. as well as obstructing an LE investigation. It just seems that info would play strongly in getting him the max possible in his situation.

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:48 PM
You talkin about the 1 where the lady knocks the dude on his butt in the parking lot?

yah. I just thought it was very convenient it was caught on tape.

absentia
10-27-2012, 08:49 PM
I think he has an "accomplice" , and while he's incarcerated, something will happen to create reasonable doubt. Remember, he thinks he's clever. Just my opinion.

do you mean that one of his accomplices will do this again in order to create enough doubt to get AS out of jail?

carole
10-27-2012, 08:52 PM
for the legal experts - is the fact that AS kept bodyparts enough to get him the max sentence? It proves he didn't just snap. he planned it, was proud, wanted to relive it, and has no remorse. as well as obstructing an LE investigation. It just seems that info would play strongly in getting him the max possible in his situation.

IMO, it will be hard to get a "didn't know right from wrong" judgment because they were hidden.

Ricki
10-27-2012, 08:55 PM
I think the profiler is a woman.

Thanks. I just reread it and saw that she recommends websleuths.

SmoothOperator
10-27-2012, 08:59 PM
Still catching up but I know someone had mentioned that dad's home, if decided to be searched by authorities, could likely point to Austin atleast having some relationship and contact with his father..therefor the valid question of his having access to the property, home, and multiple vehicles of his father's comes into play as well..jmo

Rob Sigg is currently in Mexico-while his beautiful Parker home is being searched by authorities hoping to find any other information that could lead to the conviction of his seventeen-year-old son, Austin for incredibly shocking acts.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/austin_reed_sigg_robert_sigg_media_empire_law_trou bles.php?page=3

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 09:20 PM
Been following missing/murdered persons cases since 2007. Never seen the response of LE Agencies as were brought in on the Jessica Ridgeway abduction, investigation....
Was it due to the upcoming election? A known active predator in the Denver area? Anyone have any ideas? WHY? She was only a little girl doing what little girls do...Why?
Why- Rascal Flatts Lyrics - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEBWJ-nxVoM)

This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

otto
10-27-2012, 09:35 PM
That is a very good question and the andswer may be gleaned if we see LE activity around dad, his properties, vehicles, etc in the days to come. If so then we can assume if LE feels that AS had access to these places then he probably did and that would confirm dad's involvement in his sons' lives. If LE does not investigate those things we can probably assume he was not part of their lives any real degree.

:cow:

Where was his father on October 5? Mexico, or home?

SapphireSteel
10-27-2012, 09:46 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

Short answer - no.

Long answer - this case should really give us all pause, as they elminated the family immediately despite some very questionable circumstances being mum and dad arguing over child support.

In cases where suspicion hovers over the family and the child is never found, well...there are reasons for that. It is usually because the family is lying and covering up, and LE know it, they just can't prove it.

In this case, the family were just so shocked and horrified, it helped clear them very quickly.

SmoothOperator
10-27-2012, 09:49 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?
Above BBM..THIS of course is nothing but MOO but I do believe whether "right or wrong" that the fact that it was found to be a stranger abduction, that IMO the FBI'S BAU likely immediately profiled as not only a predator, but a predator that would without doubt strike again if not found and arrested..

I believe it is these exact type factors that if found to be present in a case is what determines the amount of manpower immediately brought in and used on the case.. Whereas using the example given in the above post of comparing it to an isolated, family offender on family member victim is not deemed of the same immediate, full force reaction of unlimited manpower given to the case.. Imo quite obviously the key word being "isolated", along with perp-family member, victim-family member = very strong indicators that the public is not at risk...

Again MOO but it is these obvious differences, again whether "right or wrong", that determine what case warrants such an immediate, large, full scale involvement of any/all agencies available to assist..

Jmo, tho.

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 09:51 PM
i don't see anything on adams co/westminster ballot relating to law enforcement. judges on ballot.

http://www.adcogov.org/DocumentCenter/View/2379

msthinksalot
10-27-2012, 09:52 PM
I missed all of the (now with the mods for dry-cleaning) last thread due to the fact I went outside to my Jeep where I... held my left foot up, right elbow down, peered into the rear view mirror, squinted real hard, twirled the windshield wiper blades in examination, all the while listening to "Du Hast" on the cd player, and then... I did it all backwards. I came up with nothing.

I hope we're talking about something new now :D


** This case is so very sad in so many ways, but I couldn't resist poking some fun at "us"

You win "teh internetz" today :)

Simp
10-27-2012, 09:52 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

Just a question here but, is it possible so many LE were involved in this case because they were asked by Westminster PD? Just wondering if it's possible that the openness of Westminster PD to accept help from other agencies is the main reason they became involved. Does that make sense?

otto
10-27-2012, 09:54 PM
Does he have accomplices?

I remember watching footage of an attempted abduction outside a nightclub, where the woman got away. LE said that attempt was linked with the one in the park because a chemical rag was used also.

In that attempt, a third party was driving so there was at least one other person in the car.

There was also a child that was attacked by a 5'6" - 6', athletic, bald man wearing white and green runners. It's unrelated. I remember police stating that the night club incident may have been a copycat. I haven't heard of anything that ties that incident to Austin Sigg ... and I rather suspect that Austin Sigg was laying low at that time.

Was there a "candy man" in a blue sedan incident after Jessica disappeared?

TreeClimbingGirl
10-27-2012, 09:55 PM
I think the huge LE response was due to the following:

1. It was a stranger abduction (very rare, especially if it involves a child)
2. It was a particularly brazen abduction
3. She was dismembered, and possibly mutilated in ways we don't yet know about.

All of the above pointed to an extremely dangerous, psychopathic predator who would have struck again if not caught. I think the response was more than warranted.

(That isn't to say that we shouldn't be putting more manpower behind other unsolved cases though.)

otto
10-27-2012, 09:58 PM
This case is so sad, and so scary; Jessica was literally murdered by "the boy next door." I'll bet he had been watching her for quite a while, figured he'd do better to prey on a child to make it easier to snatch and control his victim. I know he was treated for porn addiction a while back?? Jeez, he started watching porn at a very young age! Where was all this access to porn coming from? I wonder if his home internet use was monitored at all... probably not... sounds like he spent a lot of time on his own, with a lot of freedom> but that is the case for a lot of teens, and they don't murder and mutilate. I wonder if the sexual assault was his #1 intent; I tend to think that he was most interested in watching her die and cutting her up. I think he thoroughly enjoyed dismembering her. MONSTER.

Maybe he had a lot of spare time at his father's place ... maybe his father was out or out of it a lot of the time.

otto
10-27-2012, 10:00 PM
I think early on law enforcement was entertaining the notion that the assault outside the bar was connected to the Ketner Park incident but I don't think they have announced anything definitive since.

Personally, I don't think Austin Sigg had an accomplice for any of the only two incidents we know about and that he is being held for, Jessica and Ketner Park jogger.

Here is a good early article about the bar incident and early thoughts:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/womans-attempted-kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

Do you think that Jessica was murdered at his mother's, or father's, house, or at another location?

otto
10-27-2012, 10:06 PM
Sounds interesting, Just K..Need Links, please..

Within a day of Austin's arrest, there was an interview with people that knew him. One woman was walking on the trail at Ketner Lake. She said that she encountered Austin and two friends in the recent past, and that she didn't like the way they looked at her. She thought that they were "up to no good". She felt that she was safer because she had a dog with her.

mamashawn
10-27-2012, 10:11 PM
no, I didn't hear that part. trying to feel something AND to kill themselves at the same time?

OT, and I don't know if anyone already mentioned it, but an electric fence won't kill you. Farmers have the voltage set high enough to scare whatever animal they're trying to contain. A lot of times it is set on a pulse, meaning the current isn't constant.

Her brothers were little kids at the time she was having them race to the fence and grab it it was electrified!

This hurts and is scary! We tried being farmers for a while, on borrowed land. The family that had the farm had cattle, goats and chickens all contained in various types of electric fences. Bumping the fence would shock and startle you, but if you happened to grab a fence you thought was off, man it hurt!

How awful. :(

otto
10-27-2012, 10:12 PM
I don't think they can have been copy cat because

1. they occurred before Jessica
2. they were not publicised
3. we still don't know exactly how LE linked AS to both so a copy cat wouldn't know either

Just my opinion of course.

:cow:

I have only heard of one night club abduction attempt. There were two guys, one pulled up to a young woman and asked for the directions whilte the passenger jumped out and tried to put something over the woman's face. She ran away. The two men in the mid-sized white car drove away. That happened after Jessica's remains were found.

Is there a second similar case that happened earlier?

i.b.nora
10-27-2012, 10:15 PM
Do you think that Jessica was murdered at his mother's, or father's, house, or at another location?
Currently I am of the opinion that he murdered her in his car. Possibly used his chemical soaked rag to subdue her and choked or strangled her. Then... He might have put her in the crawl space at his Mom's house and cut her up there.
Actually depends on the size and height of the crawl space, which we don't know.
Frankly we just don't know enough, everything is a guess.

b2alicia
10-27-2012, 10:19 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

I've thought about that too.
And I think the answer is Westminster. :) (I live here.)
Right after Jessica went missing, neighbors and local businesses JUMPED into searching. That first Saturday morning , 700 searchers from the public showed up to help. Thousands of MISSING posters were printed and distributed, just by members of the community.

If you can scroll down in the link below, during that first week, you'll see post after post, "where can I pick up more posters? I'll put these everywhere I can. I'll put these on the back windows of my car." Just neighbors helping. And the main location where people picked up posters was the WPD. And they ran out several times a day and had to print more and more. So the police were responding to the demands of the community.

JMO


http://www.facebook.com/MissingJessicaRidgeway?fref=ts

Cashew
10-27-2012, 10:24 PM
Also local stores like office max were printing posters for free even after the backpack was found.

I have a friend who lives on the same street as AS and she said that she had seen him before but didn't know him or his family...had never spoken with him.

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 10:24 PM
I've thought about that too.
And I think the answer is Westminster. :) (I live here.)
Right after Jessica went missing, neighbors and local businesses JUMPED into searching. That first Saturday morning , 700 searchers from the public showed up to help. Thousands of MISSING posters were printed and distributed, just by members of the community.

If you can scroll down in the link below, during that first week, you'll see post after post, "where can I pick up more posters? I'll put these everywhere I can. I'll put these on the back windows of my car." Just neighbors helping. And the main location where people picked up posters was the WPD. And they ran out several times a day and had to print more and more. So the police were responding to the demands of the community.


http://www.facebook.com/MissingJessicaRidgeway?fref=ts

That type of response by the public isn't that unusual in a high-profile missing child case. I don't agree that it's a "Westminster thing" that they put that amount of resources into it. How much community outpouring or attention was there for Sarah Skiba? Jessica wasn't the first person murdered in Westminster, and she won't be the last, but those other cases won't have 200+ LE. I think the reason is because it was a stranger-abduction murder, and there was a good chance the killer was going to strike again.

pearl
10-27-2012, 10:25 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

A horrific child killer and mutilater (sp) was on the loose. All of the reports of profiers, etc, indicated that they thought he would do it again. The police department said publicly there was a predater on the loose. The search for this monster and the safety of future possible victims warranted the manpower.

ExpectingUnicorns
10-27-2012, 10:39 PM
Been following missing/murdered persons cases since 2007. Never seen the response of LE Agencies as were brought in on the Jessica Ridgeway abduction, investigation....
Was it due to the upcoming election? A known active predator in the Denver area? Anyone have any ideas? WHY? She was only a little girl doing what little girls do...Why?
Why- Rascal Flatts Lyrics - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEBWJ-nxVoM)

Thank you, Foxfire. Usually the criticisms of an abundance of publicity is because the victim was caucasian, wealthily, "attractive" or deprived in some way. I am hoping that the fury that Jessica's murder caused is simply because America is finally offended enough about the loss of our "normal" children. Please do not let us lose sight of the fact that each child is precious.

Jessica was the best of all of these; precious, normal, loving, caring and a miracle.

I am thankful, that in her normalcy, she has still managed to capture so many hearts and attention. Perhaps it will help us all be more aware to protect them.

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 10:42 PM
I've thought about that too.
And I think the answer is Westminster. :) (I live here.)
Right after Jessica went missing, neighbors and local businesses JUMPED into searching. That first Saturday morning , 700 searchers from the public showed up to help. Thousands of MISSING posters were printed and distributed, just by members of the community.

If you can scroll down in the link below, during that first week, you'll see post after post, "where can I pick up more posters? I'll put these everywhere I can. I'll put these on the back windows of my car." Just neighbors helping. And the main location where people picked up posters was the WPD. And they ran out several times a day and had to print more and more. So the police were responding to the demands of the community.

JMO


http://www.facebook.com/MissingJessicaRidgeway?fref=ts

Also, community members were calling the PD and showing up at the Command Center to help search shortly after the Amber Alert was issued.

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 10:44 PM
Also local stores like office max were printing posters for free even after the backpack was found.

I have a friend who lives on the same street as AS and she said that she had seen him before but didn't know him or his family...had never spoken with him.

Can you expand on this -

Was he seen walking in Jessica's neighborhood?

Was he seen driving?

Did he have someone he visited there?

Thanks!

Cashew
10-27-2012, 10:46 PM
She didn't specify just that she didn't really know him at all...which tells me more about that neighborhood. I know everyone on my street by name and face. Her husband has lived in that hood all his life.

borndem
10-27-2012, 10:56 PM
wow a 15 car garage? That beats out my dad for his mid life criss garage lol. Im sure he had access to other cars, most of us do if our car isn't running etc etc. Im 34 and if my car has issues, I have to call around to borrow for an errand.
I just hope it's not the case that he did borrow anyone's car, although he wouldn't be the first.
Gary Ridgeway did so.

He also could have borrowed someone's car without their knowledge. ??

If he only went to class & had no other job (please excuse if I am wrong about him having no job), he would have some spare time on his hands...

ExpectingUnicorns
10-27-2012, 10:59 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

Each child is worthy. We, as a public, love each child. How then is it right to complain when any, any one of them are highlighted?

I am with you, hawkeye. I wish they all could. But I refuse to complain that any of them are brought forth into the public eye. We just have to work harder so that they are all known.

Half empty, half full.

i.b.nora
10-27-2012, 11:03 PM
Can you expand on this -

Was he seen walking in Jessica's neighborhood?

Was he seen driving?

Did he have someone he visited there?

Thanks!
Cashew's friend lives in Austin's neighborhood, not Jessica's.

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 11:04 PM
Each child is worthy. We, as a public, love each child. How then is it right to complain when any, any one of them are highlighted?

I am with you, hawkeye. I wish they all could. But I refuse to complain that any of them are brought forth into the public eye. We just have to work harder so that they are all known.

Half empty, half full.

I'm not seeing where I complained about the amount of media coverage this case received. I didn't even mention it.

Also, people on WS have worked very hard to get media coverage in other cases, and most times, their efforts go nowhere, or the case gets one segment on national TV.

Cashew
10-27-2012, 11:04 PM
Yeah, I have friends all over both neighborhoods as well as myself living in Superior. This specific friend lives on AS's street.

borndem
10-27-2012, 11:05 PM
Has there been any reports of what other vehicles were in AS's house?

I hope his mother had her own car, or else the only car she has is now held in evidence for who knoze how long? Ummmpppfff.

AmandaReckonwith
10-27-2012, 11:05 PM
Just as an aside, if anyone has a case they'd like for me to archive, let me know. The only criteria is that it is a US case and there is "some" news reporting.

otto
10-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Yah, I wonder about this as well as AS appearing to have access to multiple cars. He could have been just checking things out in that park with his friends not knowing his real motivation, OR they could have been scouting an abduction site/plan together. the use of different cars could be due to a couple of buddies, or the family's cars.

... does his father have 15 car, or a 3 car, garage?
I've read both on this thread.

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Thank you, Foxfire. Usually the criticisms of an abundance of publicity is because the victim was caucasian, wealthily, "attractive" or deprived in some way. I am hoping that the fury that Jessica's murder caused is simply because America is finally offended enough about the loss of our "normal" children. Please do not let us lose sight of the fact that each child is precious.

Jessica was the best of all of these; precious, normal, loving, caring and a miracle.

I am thankful, that in her normalcy, she has still managed to capture so many hearts and attention. Perhaps it will help us all be more aware to protect them.

Not trying to be a debbie downer...But why would this case cause Americans to finally get "fed up" and not the many other missing and murdered children cases that have been in the news? Even after this case, there will still be cases where the murderer gets an short sentence, and there will still be cases that the public won't go into a fury over.

ETA: Also you seem to be saying that Jessica captured attention even though she was a normal kid, but I feel like pretty much every missing/murdered child whose gotten attention is basically the "kid next door". THAT is part of the appeal in many cases.

b2alicia
10-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Thank you, Foxfire. Usually the criticisms of an abundance of publicity is because the victim was caucasian, wealthily, "attractive" or deprived in some way. I am hoping that the fury that Jessica's murder caused is simply because America is finally offended enough about the loss of our "normal" children. Please do not let us lose sight of the fact that each child is precious.

Jessica was the best of all of these; precious, normal, loving, caring and a miracle.

I am thankful, that in her normalcy, she has still managed to capture so many hearts and attention. Perhaps it will help us all be more aware to protect them.

Beautifully phrased. Thank you, Expecting Unicorns.

:)

otto
10-27-2012, 11:09 PM
and it's totally possible his accomplices thought they were participating in an abduction/rape scenario, not knowing AS was gonna kill and dismember the body and keep parts of it.

What accomplices?

otto
10-27-2012, 11:12 PM
IMO, it will be hard to get a "didn't know right from wrong" judgment because they were hidden.

This 17 year old male put the body parts of a child he abducted in the crawl space of his mother's house. That sounds rather nuts ... if you ask me. Dangerously nuts.

otto
10-27-2012, 11:14 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

I think that investigators were very concerned about the level of depravity they saw in the abduction/murder very early on.

otto
10-27-2012, 11:16 PM
Short answer - no.

Long answer - this case should really give us all pause, as they elminated the family immediately despite some very questionable circumstances being mum and dad arguing over child support.

In cases where suspicion hovers over the family and the child is never found, well...there are reasons for that. It is usually because the family is lying and covering up, and LE know it, they just can't prove it.

In this case, the family were just so shocked and horrified, it helped clear them very quickly.

Lryic Cook and Elizabeth Collins have not been found and the family is not involved.

SmoothOperator
10-27-2012, 11:17 PM
Just reading Thread #21 catching up and came upon atthelake's post below.. I am so very sad and the page is so blurry from tears.. I did not know until seeing this post..
Originally Posted by atthelake
Our fellow Websleuth member Sooner Fan #1 is up there in heaven as of last week holding all of their hands. RIP Sooner. We miss ya.

I am so so very sad..

Sooner, we will miss you..make sure to give all those little angels a kiss for us and let them know we are here fighting to see justice for each one of them..

RIP SOONER!

Sick-of-sickos
10-27-2012, 11:20 PM
Has anyone suspected bath salts? People who use them do some freaky sh#t. I just found out an acquaintance of mine is using them and turning into a freak. It's really common now as they don't show up in a drug test and no way of knowing. If you're semi freaky anyway, it would be easy to get into this stuff.

I'm at least 2-3 threads behind again :) but, BBM, I just had to say I freaking HATE HATE HATE that stuff. I've never tried it, never will, but seriously? From the little bit I've read it's basically poison reformulated to be create an effect that's sort of combo between cocaine and meth. Even though they're supposedly illegal in my state I see them in convenience stores. Right next to the "5 Hour Energy" there'll be bath salts named things like "Widowmaker" and "Black M amba." All just IMO and what I've heard/read, I can find links if anyone wants them. I kind of doubt it's related to this case though. Seems like this was a much deeper problem and has been going on a lot longer than "let's snort some poison and see what happens." IMO.

I'm pretty sure bath salts have been banned recently. And I know that the drugmakers send variations of them, but I know in my area they put a widespread ban on any synthetic drugs to be sold at gas stations, convenience stores and headshops. LE wants them off the streets because people are so freaked out by them. I'm sure people can probably get them off the internet or underground, but at least the ban makes them illegal to have.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/bath-salts-ban_n_1843420.html

Nana46
10-27-2012, 11:22 PM
Just as an aside, if anyone has a case they'd like for me to archive, let me know. The only criteria is that it is a US case and there is "some" news reporting.

Thank you for all your hard work!!!!!

otto
10-27-2012, 11:29 PM
Currently I am of the opinion that he murdered her in his car. Possibly used his chemical soaked rag to subdue her and choked or strangled her. Then... He might have put her in the crawl space at his Mom's house and cut her up there.
Actually depends on the size and height of the crawl space, which we don't know.
Frankly we just don't know enough, everything is a guess.

I suppose I meant ... dismembered ... when I said "murdered". I think that Jessica walked to the place where she was dismembered, and I don't think it happened in the car.

After that, she was transported. Perhaps some of her remains were taken to the open space, but what if this happened at his father's property (especially if he was away on Oct. 5), and other remains were taken to his mother's crawl space?

It is not surprising that Austin claims that Jessica was hog tied and that she was strangled in the car. It is the best explanation that he can give in order to minimalize his participation in her abduction and murder. As it stands, he appears to claim that he abducted her, hog tied her in the car and then strangled her in the car ... and then what ... he panicked and had to get rid of the body ... so he dismembered her and left her in the open space and his mother's crawl space? That's absurd.

It is the most farfetched story we could ever be fed by a porn addict that abducted, murdered and dismembered a 10 year old child. He is attempting to minimize his responsibility for what he did.

I think the crawl space is a possibility, but that could also be where he keeps his "treasures".

roselle
10-27-2012, 11:31 PM
I've thought about the accomplice theory also. If that were the case why would he confess ( I don't believe he gave a truthful confession anyway) and not implicate the accomplice? Because he was bullied and another monster would accept him as a friend if he went along with this? Is he covering for someone because he is a minor and thinks he will get a lighter punishment? I don't believe it is so. Any ideas?

Hi..My first post, but I have been lurking for a long time. If there is an accomplice, he is just as sick and crazy as AS...Could they have a plan, that if one of them got caught, they would confess, and the other would go on brutally murdering innocent victims, throwing the investigation wide open? "Copycatting" themselves, I guess....

AmandaReckonwith
10-27-2012, 11:32 PM
I agree otto, and I think he liked doing the depraved things and wants to keep that to himself to relish and enjoy repeatedly.

scorekeeper
10-27-2012, 11:32 PM
Cashew's friend lives in Austin's neighborhood, not Jessica's.

duh....that's what I get for watching baseball, the weather channel and having 3 threads open here....:blushing::blushing::blushing:

Thanks for the clarification!!

ExpectingUnicorns
10-27-2012, 11:33 PM
Not trying to be a debbie downer...But why would this case cause Americans to finally get "fed up" and not the many other missing and murdered children cases that have been in the news? Even after this case, there will still be cases where the murderer gets an short sentence, and there will still be cases that the public won't go into a fury over.

ETA: Also you seem to be saying that Jessica captured attention even though she was a normal kid, but I feel like pretty much every missing/murdered child whose gotten attention is basically the "kid next door". THAT is part of the appeal in many cases.

Eileen, it is sad, huh? Every child is someone's kid next door.

Even in this case the public will move on. Eventually.

My statement was only made to express the sadness that this seems to always happen ~ but thankfulness that a sweet, normal child finally seemed to have captured national attention ~ if even for a moment.

And I refuse to be critical of that.

Sick-of-sickos
10-27-2012, 11:37 PM
Thank you, Foxfire. Usually the criticisms of an abundance of publicity is because the victim was caucasian, wealthily, "attractive" or deprived in some way. I am hoping that the fury that Jessica's murder caused is simply because America is finally offended enough about the loss of our "normal" children. Please do not let us lose sight of the fact that each child is precious.

Jessica was the best of all of these; precious, normal, loving, caring and a miracle.

I am thankful, that in her normalcy, she has still managed to capture so many hearts and attention. Perhaps it will help us all be more aware to protect them.

I'll admit, there was something about the JR case that just struck a chord with me when many other abduction cases did not in the past. I have no idea what it was about her, maybe it was just because she seemed like such a sweet kid I was rooting for her to be found.

She seemed like such a reliable kid that she wouldn't miss school on her own accord. I guess it seemed that she would never do something to bring this upon herself, like hang with the wrong crowd, or skip school, or anything like that. There was no questions if she was a runaway, or that she took of on her own. I wished so much that she would be found alive, she was such a good, innocent kid, someone you wished more kids were like. I think that's what made people rally behind her from the beginning.

And when they found her desecrated like that, I just think it broke people's hearts and that's when people really started to fear for their own safety and want to put the killer behind bars.

Etilema
10-27-2012, 11:39 PM
I suppose I meant ... dismembered ... when I said "murdered". I think that Jessica walked to the place where she was dismembered, and I don't think it happened in the car.

After that, she was transported. Perhaps some of her remains were taken to the open space, but what if this happened at his father's property (especially if he was away on Oct. 5), and other remains were taken to his mother's crawl space?

It is not surprising that Austin claims that Jessica was hog tied and that she was strangled in the car. It is the best explanation that he can give in order to minimalize his participation in her abduction and murder. As it stands, he appears to claim that he abducted her, hog tied her in the car and then strangled her in the car ... and then what ... he panicked and had to get rid of the body ... so he dismembered her and left her in the open space and his mother's crawl space? That's absurd.

It is the most farfetched story we could ever be fed by a porn addict that abducted, murdered and dismembered a 10 year old child. He is attempting to minimize his responsibility for what he did.

I think the crawl space is a possibility, but that could also be where he keeps his "treasures".

There was an article quoted earlier that said he didn't get the thrill he was hoping for just by murdering her, so tried some other things (like the dismemberment).


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otto
10-27-2012, 11:41 PM
That type of response by the public isn't that unusual in a high-profile missing child case. I don't agree that it's a "Westminster thing" that they put that amount of resources into it. How much community outpouring or attention was there for Sarah Skiba? Jessica wasn't the first person murdered in Westminster, and she won't be the last, but those other cases won't have 200+ LE. I think the reason is because it was a stranger-abduction murder, and there was a good chance the killer was going to strike again.

I think the outpouring from the community support for the disappearance of Natalie Holloway trumps all others ... there were official days off for the entire community to participate in searches. When F-18s are involved, then the response will almost meet those searches for Natalie. Laci Peterson is another case where there were tremendous expences to seek a conviction. Each time, there was a certainty the something was not as it should be ... whether it was familial, or stranger, related.

borndem
10-27-2012, 11:42 PM
Excuse me for sounding dumb but... Using them how? :waitasec:

Has anyone suspected bath salts? People who use them do some freaky sh#t. I just found out an acquaintance of mine is using them and turning into a freak. It's really common now as they don't show up in a drug test and no way of knowing. If you're semi freaky anyway, it would be easy to get into this stuff.

Bath salts, the street name for a very dangerous drug, methylenedioxypyrovalerone, also known as MDPV, is like speed to the 5th power. Very dangerous and potentially deadly. Avoid this stuff. Very bad stuff. Just google "bath salts."

eileenhawkeye
10-27-2012, 11:45 PM
I think the outpouring from the community support for the disappearance of Natalie Holloway trumps all others ... there were official days off for the entire community to participate in searches. When F-18s are involved, then the response will almost meet those searches for Natalie. Laci Peterson is another case where there were tremendous expences to seek a conviction. Each time, there was a certainty the something was not as it should be ... whether it was familial, or stranger, related.

I find that even more remarkable when you consider that Natalee was from Mountain Brook, Alabama but she went missing in Aruba.

Confusion
10-27-2012, 11:47 PM
I'll admit, there was something about the JR case that just struck a chord with me when many other abduction cases did not in the past. I have no idea what it was about her, maybe it was just because she seemed like such a sweet kid I was rooting for her to be found.

She seemed like such a reliable kid that she wouldn't miss school on her own accord. I guess it seemed that she would never do something to bring this upon herself, like hang with the wrong crowd, or skip school, or anything like that. There was no questions if she was a runaway, or that she took of on her own. I wished so much that she would be found alive, she was such a good, innocent kid, someone you wished more kids were like. I think that's what made people rally behind her from the beginning.

And when they found her desecrated like that, I just think it broke people's hearts and that's when people really started to fear for their own safety and want to put the killer behind bars.

I think part of the reason is that her family provided so many pictures of her. After looking at a couple of pages of them, you almost felt like you knew her personally. Her personality really jumped out of them. Seeing all of the snap shots of her doing every day things and looking so happy about it made it very obvious too that she was a well loved little girl. I've seen some cases where they only have one or two pictures available, and some where the child never looks happy in pictures, even while smiling. It's not just that we see that she enjoyed things like her pee wee cheer leading, but also that her mother cared enough to think that the memory was worth capturing.

ExpectingUnicorns
10-27-2012, 11:49 PM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

Each child is worthy. We, as a public, love each child. How then is it right to complain when any, any one of them are highlighted?

I am with you, hawkeye. I wish they all could. But I refuse to complain that any of them are brought forth into the public eye. We just have to work harder so that they are all known.

Half empty, half full.

I'm not seeing where I complained about the amount of media coverage this case received. I didn't even mention it.

Also, people on WS have worked very hard to get media coverage in other cases, and most times, their efforts go nowhere, or the case gets one segment on national TV.

My apologies. You are so right, hawkeye. Your complaint was about the number of people LE were working on Jessica's murder compare to unknowns ~ while I was talking about the coverage it received.

Do we know any stats on this to insinuate that LE has been remiss?

smh
10-27-2012, 11:51 PM
I'll admit, there was something about the JR case that just struck a chord with me when many other abduction cases did not in the past. I have no idea what it was about her, maybe it was just because she seemed like such a sweet kid I was rooting for her to be found.

She seemed like such a reliable kid that she wouldn't miss school on her own accord. I guess it seemed that she would never do something to bring this upon herself, like hang with the wrong crowd, or skip school, or anything like that. There was no questions if she was a runaway, or that she took of on her own. I wished so much that she would be found alive, she was such a good, innocent kid, someone you wished more kids were like. I think that's what made people rally behind her from the beginning.

And when they found her desecrated like that, I just think it broke people's hearts and that's when people really started to fear for their own safety and want to put the killer behind bars.

JR struck a chord with me too. It might be that I am local or maybe that I have a 10 yo dd who looks a bit like JR. It might be that I was raised in a similar family situation with a mom and grandma taking turns caring for me and working opposite shifts to do so. But she also captured my heart because of the reasons you said. It was clear she was not a runaway or a kid who did anything to bring this upon herself. She hadn't wandered away from home in some place she wasn't supposed to be. She was simply walking to meet a friend to go to school. She seems like the epitome of innocence and it breaks my heart that she was killed so brutally and her life taken away like it meant nothing.

I do think her case garnered the tremendous amount of LE that it did because of the concern he would strike again. I really don't think there was anything more to it than that.

Sick-of-sickos
10-27-2012, 11:51 PM
I think part of the reason is that her family provided so many pictures of her. After looking at a couple of pages of them, you almost felt like you knew her personally. Her personality really jumped out of them. Seeing all of the snap shots of her doing every day things and looking so happy about it made it very obvious too that she was a well loved little girl. I've seen some cases where they only have one or two pictures available, and some where the child never looks happy in pictures, even while smiling. It's not just that we see that she enjoyed things like her pee wee cheer leading, but also that her mother cared enough to think that the memory was worth capturing.

Also the way her mom talked about her, I remember one quote where she said she wanted to be a cheerleader, but one who was nice to everyone. That just struck me as being so sweet. Poor Jessica, R.I.P. I hope her killer never sees the light of day except when he's in the prison courtyard.

jacy
10-27-2012, 11:53 PM
I think part of the reason is that her family provided so many pictures of her. After looking at a couple of pages of them, you almost felt like you knew her personally. Her personality really jumped out of them. Seeing all of the snap shots of her doing every day things and looking so happy about it made it very obvious too that she was a well loved little girl. I've seen some cases where they only have one or two pictures available, and some where the child never looks happy in pictures, even while smiling. It's not just that we see that she enjoyed things like her pee wee cheer leading, but also that her mother cared enough to think that the memory was worth capturing.

Speaking of her mother caring enough... The second I instantly knew the mom was not involved, the second my heart broke for this little girl was the mom saying she'd last seen Jessica walking out the door and needed her to walk back through it. Something about the wording rang so pure and true. Still makes me tear up.

otto
10-27-2012, 11:54 PM
I hope his mother had her own car, or else the only car she has is now held in evidence for who knoze how long? Ummmpppfff.

17 year olds are tricky ... you think you know them, but they're transitioning to the attitude that parents are rather stupid. That lasts until about 22, and then they realize that parents aren't that stupid after all ... at least that's my experience.

She may have had concerns about her son, but at the same time she probably saw the glass half full, and optimistically hoped for the best ... suppressing her worst scenario fears. It's sounds like the aunt was involved in somehow bringing Austin's mother to the point of contacting investigators. In any case, I suspect that mom accepts that the worst case scenario involved the loss of her home and vehicle ... just because she knew her son.

Etilema
10-27-2012, 11:56 PM
I think part of the reason is that her family provided so many pictures of her. After looking at a couple of pages of them, you almost felt like you knew her personally. Her personality really jumped out of them. Seeing all of the snap shots of her doing every day things and looking so happy about it made it very obvious too that she was a well loved little girl. I've seen some cases where they only have one or two pictures available, and some where the child never looks happy in pictures, even while smiling. It's not just that we see that she enjoyed things like her pee wee cheer leading, but also that her mother cared enough to think that the memory was worth capturing.

Her personality really did shine through the pictures. She seemed genuinely joyful. At least her life seems to have been a happy one, in spite of the tragic and premature ending.

JMO


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cleo612
10-27-2012, 11:59 PM
Not trying to be a debbie downer...But why would this case cause Americans to finally get "fed up" and not the many other missing and murdered children cases that have been in the news? Even after this case, there will still be cases where the murderer gets an short sentence, and there will still be cases that the public won't go into a fury over.

ETA: Also you seem to be saying that Jessica captured attention even though she was a normal kid, but I feel like pretty much every missing/murdered child whose gotten attention is basically the "kid next door". THAT is part of the appeal in many cases.

I think I understand where you are coming from in your question as to why so many agencies and manpower were activated in this case.

I think that the only way to accurately respond, however, is if someone knows WHEN all of this manpower was activated. In other words, (1) was this number of personnel activated upon learning of Jessica's disappearance; (2) was it after the family was cleared and it was clear that there was a predator on the loose; (3) or was it after the "not intact" body of this precious young girl was found?

There is a (usually) short period of time after a child's disappearance is reported when the police are trying to determine if it is a runaway situation, a parental custodial issue, or even just a child who is okay but not where they are supposed to be (i.e., playing hooky from school, at a friend's house without permission, etc.). Once the answer to those questions is ascertained, law enforcement will act accordingly, assigning a certain number of officers to investigate further.

They had to clear the family from any involvement, which likely took a bit of time since Jessica's father lives in Missouri. They needed to verify his alibi and current location. They had to interview both parents and possibly give lie detector tests to determine the veracity of their stories. From there, they determined that there was a strong possibility that Jessica had been abducted and there was a predator on the loose. This fact would have necessitated the activation of even more personnel.

Once Jessica's body was found in the open space, and they had identified her, they knew that this was not your "everyday, run of the mill" child sexual predator. I am not in any way making light of other predators of this ilk--just trying to show the likely mindset of law enforcement after they found the "not intact" body of our precious Jessica. Finding her in such a state would indicate that this was an incredibly dangerous and frightening monster who had to be found NOW.

They needed to employ even more personnel to try to find this monster before he or she had an opportunity to abduct and harm another child. They needed every available resource--this was an emergency situation of the utmost concern that needed to be resolved fast. The more hands on deck, the better--not only for the safety of every child in the area, but also to help quell the fear of the entire community. What happened to Jessica was horrific and the community was reeling.

I wish that every single child abduction was given the same number of personnel to work the case as was given to Jessica's case, but I also understand the reasons why not every case is given that luxury.

eileenhawkeye
10-28-2012, 12:00 AM
I definitely think that pictures and ESPECIALLY videos of a victim can really generate interest in the public and media.

otto
10-28-2012, 12:03 AM
Hi..My first post, but I have been lurking for a long time. If there is an accomplice, he is just as sick and crazy as AS...Could they have a plan, that if one of them got caught, they would confess, and the other would go on brutally murdering innocent victims, throwing the investigation wide open? "Copycatting" themselves, I guess....

There is no evidence to suggest that anyone other than Ausin in involved in the murder of Jessica. He has been tied to the attempted abduction of a woman, with the use of a chemical/toxic substance, in Ketner Park. That happened in May this year. A similar attack occurred 2 years ago in the same park. Only one perp was involved in both cases. Police are also looking at connections between Austic Reed Sigg and the "candy man", driving a blue sedan, that twice attempted to abduct a young male child (about the same age as Jessica). Each case that has so far been connected to Austin, or investigated in relation to Austin, involves one perp.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that any of the criminal activities associated with Austin include a second person.

borndem
10-28-2012, 12:06 AM
Just one question re: "Bath Salts": Were they ever used for baths or were they always meant to be used as some kind of mood enhancing drug? If not, then who decided that it might be a good idea to ingest/smoke soap?.

The drug has the same appearance as bath salts.

otto
10-28-2012, 12:09 AM
I agree otto, and I think he liked doing the depraved things and wants to keep that to himself to relish and enjoy repeatedly.

I think so too. I don't think that he expected to get caught, but he screwed up ... like they all do ... and investigators found critical clues that led to him. After he knew it was over, I think he thought that as a 17 year old, he could get off with 7 years of juvenile prison, where he could continue to study forensics on the taxpayers dime. I think that he sees himself as some sort of forensic, gaming genius. When he knew that time was running out, he turned to his mother for an out ... and she spoke to her sister ... and they made the decision to do the right thing ... I'm speculating ... but I do agree ... Austin had big plans in the fields of Dexter ... serial murderer crime investigator.

borndem
10-28-2012, 12:12 AM
I think the father is closer to the younger son than he is/was to Austin.

I hope the younger son/brother is weathering this well, but it's such a shame to think of him going to school every day a putting up with probably some ugly remarks. And their poor mother. Her life must be full of guilt feelings, desperation, shame, second-guessing herself, and loneliness. IDK anything about her, have read nothing, but I would think things are pretty bad for her and the other son just now. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

otto
10-28-2012, 12:18 AM
There was an article quoted earlier that said he didn't get the thrill he was hoping for just by murdering her, so tried some other things (like the dismemberment).


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Some of his classmates have remarked that he was fascinated with death ... don't remember where I read that ... but he was an unpopular child that didn't socialize properly, was awkward and stand offish, and seemed pre-occupied with death. If this is true, which I believe, then he didn't strangle Jessica in the car as soon as he abducted her. I think there was an entire fantasy ... that included the dismemberment ... that he played out. Her backpack was found the day after she was abducted, some of her remains five days later. Her clothes were found in her backpack, so she was gone by then.

How much time did Austin have alone between 8:30 AM on October 5 and when was he next seen? Where was he staying at the time? When did he return to his mother's home? Why did he miss school on Monday? Was he traveling to the open space near the old mines on Leyden Road on Monday?

Wendy101
10-28-2012, 12:19 AM
I also think this case grabbed alot of attention because LE came out quickly to say family was NOT involved...
IMO.. By doing so, it allowed people to know.. The mom and dads emotions were real, nothing was fake.

mck16
10-28-2012, 12:20 AM
I hope the younger son/brother is weathering this well, but it's such a shame to think of him going to school every day a putting up with probably some ugly remarks. And their poor mother. Her life must be full of guilt feelings, desperation, shame, second-guessing herself, and loneliness. IDK anything about her, have read nothing, but I would think things are pretty bad for her and the other son just now. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

I agree about the son. Do you think he is going to school. That would be the first thing I would do is take my son out of school at least that particular one. jmo

otto
10-28-2012, 12:25 AM
I think part of the reason is that her family provided so many pictures of her. After looking at a couple of pages of them, you almost felt like you knew her personally. Her personality really jumped out of them. Seeing all of the snap shots of her doing every day things and looking so happy about it made it very obvious too that she was a well loved little girl. I've seen some cases where they only have one or two pictures available, and some where the child never looks happy in pictures, even while smiling. It's not just that we see that she enjoyed things like her pee wee cheer leading, but also that her mother cared enough to think that the memory was worth capturing.

... unlike Caylee Anthony, whose pictures were released if the price was right.

katydid23
10-28-2012, 12:26 AM
... does his father have 15 car, or a 3 car, garage?
I've read both on this thread.

I think the consensus was that his mansion has a double garage, which appears to hold 4 to 5 cars. And there is another 'garage' type building alongside the home, which may or may not be used as a garage.

But also, there was a satellite photo, that showed 15 cars parked on the property. But who knows if they all belonged there. Maybe they were having a dinner party.

otto
10-28-2012, 12:27 AM
Also the way her mom talked about her, I remember one quote where she said she wanted to be a cheerleader, but one who was nice to everyone. That just struck me as being so sweet. Poor Jessica, R.I.P. I hope her killer never sees the light of day except when he's in the prison courtyard.

What struck me with Jessica's mothers' statement was that she siad that she sent her daughter out the door to school and that all she wanted was for her to walk back through that door ... that she wouldn't wish the pain she felt on anyone else.

ExpectingUnicorns
10-28-2012, 12:30 AM
This might be unpopular, but it does bother me that this case got 200+ LE working it, and other unsolved murders will never get that amount of effort. Even other high-profiles ones don't get anywhere near 200+ LE. Would there be as many LE if they believed a family member was responsible?

I don't find anyone at fault for putting too many people on this case.

Can we all just wish/pray we had the resources to do the same in all the others?

otto
10-28-2012, 12:31 AM
Her personality really did shine through the pictures. She seemed genuinely joyful. At least her life seems to have been a happy one, in spite of the tragic and premature ending.

JMO


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Jessica seemed to have a charming curiosity and we heard that she desperately wanted to be a teenager, so much so that her mother had to reign her in a bit ... not uncommon with teenagers ... that fine line between playing dress up and walking down the street like that.

mck16
10-28-2012, 12:33 AM
Since the arrest have there been any reports of any attempted abductions. Or if there have did I just miss them? tia

christig
10-28-2012, 12:35 AM
i can't keep up with all the threads! Has anyone already asked if AS could be responsible for Kayleah Wilson's death? Depending on his bd he'd either have been 15 or 16 in 2010...she was also found in a drain pipe (as Jessica was found very near the same kind of pipe). Google maps says Greeley CO is about 50 miles from Westminster CO. Would Kayleah have thought he was 'safe' to accept a ride, since he's a young teen?

otto
10-28-2012, 12:41 AM
I also think this case grabbed alot of attention because LE came out quickly to say family was NOT involved...
IMO.. By doing so, it allowed people to know.. The mom and dads emotions were real, nothing was fake.

This was shortly after the apparent stranger abduction of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins in Evansdale, Iowa (July 13, 2012). At the same time, a similar aged girl was abducted in Cody, Wyoming (suspect: father of two; photographer). That 11 year old girl was found in a grizzly habitat and would not have survived the night. So, several young girls abducted in the same age bracket were suddenly missing from the same general region (12 hour drive). Investigators couldn't afford to stand around and wonder if Jessica had wandered away after the mother reported the abduction on a Friday ... like what happened in Iowa.

smh
10-28-2012, 12:50 AM
Since the arrest have there been any reports of any attempted abductions. Or if there have did I just miss them? tia

I've not heard of any attempted abductions since AS was arrested.

sfbaynancydrew
10-28-2012, 12:50 AM
I'll admit, there was something about the JR case that just struck a chord with me when many other abduction cases did not in the past. I have no idea what it was about her, maybe it was just because she seemed like such a sweet kid I was rooting for her to be found.

I think too, the fact that poor mom didn't realize she was gone until 8 hours later made everyone pause and realize the implications of that. It made time feel even MORE of the essence.

Tricia
10-28-2012, 12:57 AM
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Marilynilpa
10-28-2012, 01:07 AM
O/T - I hope all of my WS friends in the path of Hurricane Sandy stay safe over the next couple of days.:seeya:

absentia
10-28-2012, 01:18 AM
What accomplices?

this was just if he had accomplices, I would hope they weren't going along with the whole thing, that they never even knew the whole plan, and thought it was something less than what is actually was.

jennapuppy
10-28-2012, 01:23 AM
This was shortly after the apparent stranger abduction of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins in Evansdale, Iowa (July 13, 2012). At the same time, a similar aged girl was abducted in Cody, Wyoming (suspect: father of two; photographer). That 11 year old girl was found in a grizzly habitat and would not have survived the night. So, several young girls abducted in the same age bracket were suddenly missing from the same general region (12 hour drive). Investigators couldn't afford to stand around and wonder if Jessica had wandered away after the mother reported the abduction on a Friday ... like what happened in Iowa.
In addition to that, LE had already alerted parents in this community about the candyman, who had attempted to abduct children just prior to her disappearance.

absentia
10-28-2012, 01:34 AM
In addition to that, LE had already alerted parents in this community about the candyman, who had attempted to abduct children just prior to her disappearance.

yes. it still bothers me that any child was out alone after those attempted lurings. I wish the whole community had implemented better protections for all the neighborhood kids, regardless of their situation, to get around safely. I guess most people assume their kids will refuse candy and not go near the car, not realizing the abductor could escalate and grab one into the car. seeing as how he failed twice to lure boys with candy, parents probably thought he was not that dangerous, and was also only after boys. but combined with the Ketner attempt, it just seemed pretty risky to be out alone, as a child or a woman. I guess people disregard failed abductions with more ease. it takes the real deal to get people concerned, I guess.

Salem
10-28-2012, 01:37 AM
Let's stay focused on Jessica. If you have a question for a mod, please send them a pm.

Thanks!

Salem

spamelope
10-28-2012, 01:40 AM
The usual cynics in the comment section at the Camera are out in full force. I think this is a great idea. More importantly, the cops think it's a good idea, too.
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_21871138
In wake of Jessica Ridgeway, Boulder man launches Halloween night Pumpkin Patrol

Xavier
10-28-2012, 01:43 AM
I'm new to this board. I try to stay away from the horrid news stories, but the brutality commited on Jessica is beyond words..how in the name of Mary, Jesus and Joseph can a kid become such an evil monster...I'm glad the LE are trying him as an adult....and what about the other 17 year old kid in Colorado driving around with his mother's dismembered body in the back seat bagged up?....

What's with Colorado and the horrific crimes going on there...the recent abductions, brutal killings of little girls, the Columbine massacre, several other high school shooting sprees, the red haired maniac shooting, killing moviegoers watching the Batman movie ?

Marilynilpa
10-28-2012, 01:44 AM
Relief followed the arrest of 17-year-old Austin Sigg in connection with her death, but most adults — parents and community leaders — remain on high alert as Oct. 31 approaches. Along with fears of copycat crime and stranger danger, there is new awareness that even trusted neighborhood kids may be masking dark and twisted urges.

Read more: Parents on high alert this Halloween after Jessica Ridgeway murder - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21863486/parents-high-alert-this-halloween-after-jessica-ridgeway#ixzz2AZNs6bOY

Just K
10-28-2012, 01:45 AM
Just reading Thread #21 catching up and came upon atthelake's post below.. I am so very sad and the page is so blurry from tears.. I did not know until seeing this post..

I am so so very sad..

Sooner, we will miss you..make sure to give all those little angels a kiss for us and let them know we are here fighting to see justice for each one of them..

RIP SOONER!

:( This is the first I am hearing of this. Swift Journeys Sooner.

roselle
10-28-2012, 01:49 AM
Some of his classmates have remarked that he was fascinated with death ... don't remember where I read that ... but he was an unpopular child that didn't socialize properly, was awkward and stand offish, and seemed pre-occupied with death. If this is true, which I believe, then he didn't strangle Jessica in the car as soon as he abducted her. I think there was an entire fantasy ... that included the dismemberment ... that he played out. Her backpack was found the day after she was abducted, some of her remains five days later. Her clothes were found in her backpack, so she was gone by then.

How much time did Austin have alone between 8:30 AM on October 5 and when was he next seen? Where was he staying at the time? When did he return to his mother's home? Why did he miss school on Monday? Was he traveling to the open space near the old mines on Leyden Road on Monday?

If he was so fascinated by the subject of death, why didn't he just kill himself, and then he would have known all there was to know....And Little Jessica would have walked back through her mother's front door.

eileenhawkeye
10-28-2012, 01:53 AM
I don't think this case is any different from other cases that capture media interest in that sensational elements played a huge role. Jessica was walking to a school in suburbia, she was abducted, and later found dismembered. We heard reports about how the community was in fear, predator on the loose, etc. Then, he is arrested and he's a 17-year-old who's obsessed with death and was studying forensics and mortuary science.

Ghostwheel
10-28-2012, 02:13 AM
I don't think this case is any different from other cases that capture media interest in that sensational elements played a huge role. Jessica was walking to a school in suburbia, she was abducted, and later found dismembered. We heard reports about how the community was in fear, predator on the loose, etc. Then, he is arrested and he's a 17-year-old who's obsessed with death and was studying forensics and mortuary science.Agreed, this led to a lot of LE involvement right away, but I also think a lot of it has to do with how the parents push the information out. There have been some kidnappings where the parents just close off and won't let the media have any information about what their child looks like, where they were seen, where they might go. Media can't do squat without something to work with.

Does anyone else sometimes look at the calendar and wonder that all this happened within 3 weeks?

spamelope
10-28-2012, 03:04 AM
Couldn't find an update/identity of the young woman found in clear creek but found the platte river:
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=94479&catid=339

Body pulled from South Platte River

Thanks, Foxfire. I think that it's really strange that that story was never followed up on in the press. I wonder why. The person commenting had very little info to infer a "Jack the River Ripper" scenario was going on. This is a huge jump considering it was not reported as anything unduly suspicious, and one would assume it was an accidental drowning. Oddly, a little more than a year later, we have a "Jack the Ripper" type killer in Colo. The timing of this death was smack dab in the middle of the two Ketner Lake attacks. There's a video at this link, which includes a description of the area as "a popular hiking trail." The place where the body was found is 10 miles from ARS's house.
PS I think the gentleman from the Platte was probably not related.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/06/29/womans-body-found-on-hiking-trail-in-wheat-ridge/

RavenTrue
10-28-2012, 05:58 AM
O/T - I hope all of my WS friends in the path of Hurricane Sandy stay safe over the next couple of days.:seeya:

Hope it's OK to stay off topic for a moment. This is going to be a superstorm (reminds me of The Day After...) Take care friends in NY and all!!

Anyway friend/co-worker called today to say my left tail light was out as she followed me out last night, but brake light OK. Have never spoken with her of a crime case, but she knew of this one with Jessica. She said feels sorry for his family as well. (then said many persons who get into his particular science may, or not be a bit off). Not certain I agree with that part.

BUT, what I did say is no matter what...his family will see him through the trial, and get to visit him when he eventually will get out. Which I expect to be @ 21 or 22. They will never see her again.

What I DO applaud is his Mother. Asked myself long before here on WS if the unbelievable were to happen...would you turn them in?? I have always said yes. No matter. Petty theft is 1 thing. Murder is another. I would include rape in that. Would I turn my own child in??? ...think about this Moms

YES, I would. Not happily, or forcibly. But, yes I would.

Discuss please.

enzeder
10-28-2012, 06:42 AM
Has this been posted? Article and video.

Austin Sigg's home in search area for Ketner Lake assault suspect on Memorial Day in Westminster

Police blocks from Sigg home after lake attack

10/27/2012

Excerpt: "Sigg is in custody, suspected of the abduction and murder of 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway. Investigators confirm with CALL7 Investigators that they have evidence linking the Ridgeway case with the Memorial Day near abduction at Ketner Lake.

7NEWS reviewed police radio traffic from Memorial Day. It reveals how close police were to Sigg throughout the search."

Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/austin-siggs-home-in-search-area-for-ketner-lake-assault-suspect-on-memorial-day-in-westminster

OtherEyes
10-28-2012, 06:50 AM
Has this been posted? Article and video.

Austin Sigg's home in search area for Ketner Lake assault suspect on Memorial Day in Westminster

Police blocks from Sigg home after lake attack

10/27/2012

Excerpt: "Sigg is in custody, suspected of the abduction and murder of 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway. Investigators confirm with CALL7 Investigators that they have evidence linking the Ridgeway case with the Memorial Day near abduction at Ketner Lake.

7NEWS reviewed police radio traffic from Memorial Day. It reveals how close police were to Sigg throughout the search."

Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/austin-siggs-home-in-search-area-for-ketner-lake-assault-suspect-on-memorial-day-in-westminster

Wow! Thank you I had not yet seen this. It's crazy how close they were to him then!

enzeder
10-28-2012, 06:51 AM
Some of his classmates have remarked that he was fascinated with death ... don't remember where I read that ... but he was an unpopular child that didn't socialize properly, was awkward and stand offish, and seemed pre-occupied with death. If this is true, which I believe, then he didn't strangle Jessica in the car as soon as he abducted her. I think there was an entire fantasy ... that included the dismemberment ... that he played out. Her backpack was found the day after she was abducted, some of her remains five days later. Her clothes were found in her backpack, so she was gone by then.

How much time did Austin have alone between 8:30 AM on October 5 and when was he next seen? Where was he staying at the time? When did he return to his mother's home? Why did he miss school on Monday? Was he traveling to the open space near the old mines on Leyden Road on Monday?

BBM

Classmates Describe Austin Sigg As Smart, Strange

October 25, 2012

Excerpt: "Some classmates noticed something a little extreme in Sigg’s fascination with death.

“He was so infatuated with the idea of death. That’s just the feeling I got,” said classmate Hannah Bane."

Read more: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/classmates-describe-austin-sigg-as-smart-strange/

enzeder
10-28-2012, 07:03 AM
Ok, I have to just get this out because it has been bothering me so much and I can't seem to get this out of my head!
I was downstairs on the scanner thread Oct 10th when JenWilkersonseeker posted that she had just discovered that horribly disgusting/disturbing you tube video about JR's kidnapping. It was so disturbing that I only heard 2 sentences before I quickly turned it off in horror! The voices on it sounded like teenagers and I do believe it was two. The video was posted on Oct 9 and the account was made that same day. It listed New Zealand as country of origin.(Which I don't believe to be true.) It was quickly taken down thank goodness but I have just been so upset and shaken up about it that I so wish I had never even heard that brief moment of it. It apparently was 5 mins long and I know other WS's heard it as well, and more than I had heard.
:cow:
What bothers me is the possibility that this could have been AS speaking with one of his buddies thinking it was funny.(Which clearly it was not!) But I can almost picture AS getting one of his buddies to go along with making this sick joke after AS committed his heinous crime and his friend not knowing that AS had really done just that!! I had listened to the other you tube videos that have also been taken down of AS and his buddies making random videos with foul mouths and such. But I clearly heard AS's voice in those videos. And yes it is very distinctive as previously been discussed. What I want to know from any other of you WS's that listened to the sick video, is can you remember the voice on that sick one as sounding like AS? As I mentioned I quickly shut it off and don't recall what it sounded like other than teenage boys.

I'm sure LE was able to get an IP address and so they probably do know who made this however what bothers me is if it was him and a friend... where is this friend now? And if it is not AS then there are some other teenagers that have the very same sick imaginations that they felt they needed to post that for the world to hear! I'm just still sick about it and don't know how to get over it.

Anyone else having trouble trying to forget those terrible things?

I didn't see that video. Did anyone watch it all the way through?

stillwatersc
10-28-2012, 07:57 AM
Above BBM..THIS of course is nothing but MOO but I do believe whether "right or wrong" that the fact that it was found to be a stranger abduction, that IMO the FBI'S BAU likely immediately profiled as not only a predator, but a predator that would without doubt strike again if not found and arrested..

I believe it is these exact type factors that if found to be present in a case is what determines the amount of manpower immediately brought in and used on the case.. Whereas using the example given in the above post of comparing it to an isolated, family offender on family member victim is not deemed of the same immediate, full force reaction of unlimited manpower given to the case.. Imo quite obviously the key word being "isolated", along with perp-family member, victim-family member = very strong indicators that the public is not at risk...

Again MOO but it is these obvious differences, again whether "right or wrong", that determine what case warrants such an immediate, large, full scale involvement of any/all agencies available to assist..

Jmo, tho.

I think the overwhelming focus on this case was absolutely right. They were in a race to get Jessica's killer before he struck again. I have no doubt he would have.

PlainJaneDoe
10-28-2012, 09:43 AM
Bath salts, the street name for a very dangerous drug, methylenedioxypyrovalerone, also known as MDPV, is like speed to the 5th power. Very dangerous and potentially deadly. Avoid this stuff. Very bad stuff. Just google "bath salts."

I don't think bath salts have anything to do with this case either, but to support your point, here is an official statement from the director of my funding agency (Natl Inst on Drug Abuse, NIDA): http://www.drugabuse.gov/about-nida/directors-page/messages-director/2011/02/bath-salts-emerging-dangerous-products

Even more, http://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/emerging-drugs. Has info on salvia and more as well.

jillycat
10-28-2012, 10:02 AM
I'm new to this board. I try to stay away from the horrid news stories, but the brutality commited on Jessica is beyond words..how in the name of Mary, Jesus and Joseph can a kid become such an evil monster...I'm glad the LE are trying him as an adult....and what about the other 17 year old kid in Colorado driving around with his mother's dismembered body in the back seat bagged up?....

What's with Colorado and the horrific crimes going on there...the recent abductions, brutal killings of little girls, the Columbine massacre, several other high school shooting sprees, the red haired maniac shooting, killing moviegoers watching the Batman movie ?

I've lived in Colorado most of my life and we have more going on here than child killings, the dismemberment of mothers, school massacres, and movie theater shootings by red-haired maniacs.

Our violent crime rate is lower than the national average by around 17%.

jillycat
10-28-2012, 10:09 AM
I don't know if this article has been posted but it discusses how police strategy and release of information may have contributed to the call from the mother of AS.

Notably, it also mentions a neighbor who lives across the street from the Sigg family and his report to police about finding his missing cat cut in half last summer.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21871553/police-strategy-may-have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin

Footwarrior
10-28-2012, 10:15 AM
I've lived in Colorado most of my life and we have more going on here than child killings, the dismemberment of mothers, school massacres, and movie theater shootings by red-haired maniacs.

Our violent crime rate is lower than the national average by around 17%.

The homicide rate in Colorado (2.4 per 100,000 in 2010) is much lower than the national homicide rate (4.8 per 100,000).

PlainJaneDoe
10-28-2012, 10:26 AM
I don't know if this article has been posted but it discusses how police strategy and release of information may have contributed to the call from the mother of AS.

Notably, it also mentions a neighbor who lives across the street from the Sigg family and his report to police about finding his missing cat cut in half last summer.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21871553/police-strategy-may-have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious::furious:

Footwarrior
10-28-2012, 10:40 AM
I think the overwhelming focus on this case was absolutely right. They were in a race to get Jessica's killer before he struck again. I have no doubt he would have.

This was also a case where a large number of officers were needed. Nobody saw Jessica's abduction or even noticed a suspicious person or vehicle that morning. Without anything to go on, investigators started a canvas of the entire neighborhood and a search of the massive open space areas near Jessica's home.

Even with 200 officers, the search was talking a lot of time. I was taking my dog for long hikes in areas that hadn't yet been searched by law enforcement. Keeping my eyes and nose open for something that might help the case.

SoBeCzar
10-28-2012, 10:52 AM
I think when LE realized this monster had the potential to kill many other girls they pulled out the stops. By doing so they saved countless lives because he definitely was just getting started.
Yes, it is sad all cases can't get the same attention but this one needed it.

Sigh Sister
10-28-2012, 10:53 AM
Six cats where found mutilated in a Denver neighborhood back in August. If I mapped it correctly, the neighborhood is located not too far out of the way from the community college he attended.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/cats-found-decapitated-gutted-in-denver-yards

smh
10-28-2012, 10:57 AM
I've lived in Colorado most of my life and we have more going on here than child killings, the dismemberment of mothers, school massacres, and movie theater shootings by red-haired maniacs.

Our violent crime rate is lower than the national average by around 17%.

ITA. The crime rate is very low here. We have lived here almost 16 years and it's been an extremely safe place to live. I have even lived in "bad" parts of town here and still felt safe. It just seems like the things that do happen here get national attention and therefore, people around the country think CO is some really dangerous place to live.

eileenhawkeye
10-28-2012, 11:00 AM
I looked up Somer Thompson's case. She was also murdered by an unknown predator. 50 LE worked her case. It's a different state, with different agencies, so it's not like the same people decided Jessica's case would get 200+ while Somer's case would get 50+. I'm just sharing incase anyone else was interested in seeing how many LE worked a similar case.

enzeder
10-28-2012, 11:02 AM
Enigmatic portrait of Jessica Ridgeway suspect's family emerges

10/28/2012

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21870983/enigmatic-portrait-jessica-ridgeway-suspects-family-emerges

pinto
10-28-2012, 11:02 AM
ITA. The crime rate is very low here. We have lived here almost 16 years and it's been an extremely safe place to live. I have even lived in "bad" parts of town here and still felt safe. It just seems like the things that do happen here get national attention and therefore, people around the country think CO is some really dangerous place to live.

Um, it IS dangerous. And it is freezing cold, snows all winter. The sun disappears. Sheer misery. I wouldn't venture anywhere nearby...

pinto
10-28-2012, 11:04 AM
I looked up Somer Thompson's case. She was also murdered by an unknown predator. 50 LE worked her case. It's a different state, with different agencies, so it's not like the same people decided Jessica's case would get 200+ while Somer's case would get 50+. I'm just sharing incase anyone else was interested in seeing how many LE worked a similar case.

This actually (probably) underscores how safe it is in CO, that they were able to free up so much LE to work on it. THey can't do that in Detroit, you know? (Nothing against Detroit, it just popped into my head.)

smh
10-28-2012, 11:06 AM
Um, it IS dangerous. And it is freezing cold, snows all winter. The sun disappears. Sheer misery. I wouldn't venture anywhere nearby...

:floorlaugh: Uh, ya, that SO describes CO :floorlaugh: You must be afraid more people will move here once they hear how lovely it is.

matou
10-28-2012, 11:11 AM
Enigmatic portrait of Jessica Ridgeway suspect's family emerges

10/28/2012

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21870983/enigmatic-portrait-jessica-ridgeway-suspects-family-emerges

What's with kids collecting knives and swords anyway? Notice that his friend lives one street from Sigg. JMO

PlainJaneDoe
10-28-2012, 11:20 AM
:furious:Six cats where found mutilated in a Denver neighborhood back in August. If I mapped it correctly, the neighborhood is located not too far out of the way from the community college he attended.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/cats-found-decapitated-gutted-in-denver-yards

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious: :furious:

Eta: :furious:

Sigh Sister
10-28-2012, 11:29 AM
Six cats where found mutilated in a Denver neighborhood back in August. If I mapped it correctly, the neighborhood is located not too far out of the way from the community college he attended.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/cats-found-decapitated-gutted-in-denver-yards

Four of the six cats were located in the area of 29th and Oneida Streets. I won't post name, but there is a person with same last name as AS that lives on 29th. Could just be coincidence, but thought I'd share. If they are related, he could have visited the person.

csziggy
10-28-2012, 11:33 AM
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Eileen730
10-28-2012, 11:35 AM
Just a quick shout out to all our friends in the North Eastern US

Stay safe! If they tell ya to get out of dodge goooooo!
This storm is way out of Controll.
thoughts and prayers with you all!

b2alicia
10-28-2012, 11:36 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21870983/enigmatic-portrait-jessica-ridgeway-suspects-family-emerges?source=pkg

Thanks for posting this!

So here it mentions that AS took karate classes with his neighbor across the street.

And there goes my idea that he did not get enough exercise when he was younger. :(

Tiger09
10-28-2012, 12:08 PM
This sounds like a case where AS clearly could have benefited from counseling at a young age and psychiatric intervention. He obviously was influenced by what he saw from his parents and such a young age. I know that this is a victim friendly forum, but it's still so shocking every time I hear of a kid killing another kid- especially so violently. It's so tragic that two young lives are wasted. Poor Jessica was taken away so violently and horrendously- for her family's sake and for respect for that angel, I hope the details never go public. And AS seems like he could have been smart, all that CSI interest, too bad he couldn't harness that positively and become a useful tool to catch bad guys instead of becoming a bad guy. It's a shame when a kid kills, and it's a disgusting and troubling thing when a child kills another child. One has to wonder, why? What went wrong? Who missed what signs? I saw on JVM the other day where students at his high school were interviewed and they just proudly said they bullied him. Maybe that compounded with what he went through as a kid? It still doesn't give him a pass. Or maybe no one noticed that he had a deep psychological illness. Maybe the biggest mistake that the adults in AS's life made was that they did not notice that he had a mental illness- and a poor little girl had to pay the price. Either way, he still made a horrible decision.

AstroKitty
10-28-2012, 12:13 PM
Uh guys. Not to be a negative nancy but ... we aren't supposed to post minors or people who are not named by LE.