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mushyb

11-03-2003, 01:58 AM

Soham pair's trial due to start

The trial of Ian Huntley for the murder of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman is due to begin this week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3235861.stm

AussieSim

11-03-2003, 06:18 PM

Please keep us updated on this.

Aussie

Hugh

11-04-2003, 04:58 AM

First day yesterday. 24 jurors chosen, the 12 required will be sworn in today. Opening speeches from the prosecution expected tomorrow. still cannot believe that Huntley and Carr are pleading not guilty, they have got to be going for a diminshed reponsibility plea.

AussieSim

11-04-2003, 06:04 PM

Hugh, make sure you tell us everything that goes on with this case.

You bet they're going for a diminished responsibility plea.

I think she's a beer short of a sixpack anyway!!

Aussie

Casshew

11-04-2003, 06:10 PM

That was just a heartbreaking murder :( Those poor little girls.

I will be watching this trial too.

Cass...

Hugh

11-05-2003, 01:38 PM

Opening arguments for prosecution say that it is unlikely that Huntly will contest the fact the the girls died in his house but will contest that he murdered them ?

I guess that you can catch up on it in more detail on BBC website, I am just getting hourly updates on radio.

I had forgotten that Carr has not even been charged with murder but with Perverting the course of Justice.

Casshew

11-05-2003, 02:26 PM

Hugh.. did they ever determine a cause of death for these girls?

I have been poking around but don't see anything on it. I know their remains were badly decomposed and skeletal.

Cass...

Hugh

11-05-2003, 02:33 PM

May have been stated today but more likely tomorrow. The police have established it beyond doubt but it is critical to the trial so has not been released

mushyb

11-05-2003, 11:07 PM

Soham girls 'died in Huntley's home'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3242921.stm

Casshew

11-06-2003, 12:57 AM

The murder of these girls has really affected me as I have a 10 year old daughter.

I can't imagine the agony their parents are going through and the fury they must feel for this pair.

I read the article mushyb, still no mention on how the girls actually died.

What a stupid waste of these two young lives.

Cass...

AussieSim

11-06-2003, 10:27 AM

Thank God those parents have each other to comfort them. At least there is somebody who understands how they are feeling.

So there is obviously proof that the girls died in Huntley's home. What is the proof?? And if there is proof, why is he denying he murdered them?

And how did they die????

I can't remember seeing anything about the autopsy results on the girls.

Aussie

AussieSim

11-06-2003, 10:33 AM

Uh Duh,

Just reread your posts and saw that question has been answered.

Thanks Hugh!!

Aussie

Casshew

11-06-2003, 11:07 AM

Hi Aussie :)

I spent an hour yesterday searching the web for details on the autopsy.... nothing, nada, zip... not even unauthorized speculation... they are really keeping a lid on it for some reason.

Cass...

fifi

11-06-2003, 02:03 PM

some more info for you...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031106/140/ed805.html

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031106/140/ed87a.html

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031106/140/ed91u.html

mushyb

11-06-2003, 04:02 PM

Huntley's hair 'found in girls' clothes'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3247803.stm

AussieSim

11-06-2003, 11:38 PM

Hi Cass!

I found a couple of news reports from after Jessica and Holly's bodies were found saying that the autopsy results were inconclusive.

So did they find other evidence pointing towards a cause of death inside the house????

Aussie

Hugh

11-07-2003, 07:26 AM

We may hear more today, my guess is that this is pivotal to the case which is why nothing has been released as yet.

mushyb

11-07-2003, 02:23 PM

Asphyxia 'likely cause' of Soham deaths

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3249887.stm

AussieSim

11-08-2003, 10:17 AM

Asphyxia?? Didn't think of that.

This has raised all sorts of questions in my mind now as to how he did it. How on earth would he asphyxiate one and keep the other one detained and quiet??? There were no drugs in their systems, so the girls hadn't been doped or anything.

Obviously the police believe he did it on his own. I just don't understand HOW.

Thanks for all the links guys!!

Aussie

Casshew

11-08-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by AussieSim
Asphyxia?? Didn't think of that.

This has raised all sorts of questions in my mind now as to how he did it. How on earth would he asphyxiate one and keep the other one detained and quiet??? There were no drugs in their systems, so the girls hadn't been doped or anything.

Obviously the police believe he did it on his own. I just don't understand HOW.

Hi Aussie... I have to agree it is very odd.

I have a 10 year old daughter and sometimes we play fight and I try to tickle her ... he is a little tiger, all over the place and impossible to hold still... and we are only playing. :eek:

I don't know how this guy managed to murder both girls unless they were restrained somehow :(

Cass...

Toth

11-08-2003, 12:14 PM

Its not too hard to intimidate them into being quiet long enough to be tied and gagged.

Apparently he had invited them in since one of them had a nosebleed. I don't know if thats what happened or not, but that is the claim.

It seems that during the investigation his girl friend repeatedly gave police a series of very detailed but greatly fabricated statements.

mushyb

11-08-2003, 01:39 PM

Jurors to visit tragic site
http://www.itv.com/news/1931655.html

HUNTLEY BURNED SCHOOLGIRLS' BODIES
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13602751_method=full_siteid=50143 _headline=-HUNTLEY-BURNED-SCHOOLGIRLS--BODIES-name_page.html

CARR'S CRIB CARD
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13602758_method=full_siteid=50143 _headline=-THE-SOHAM-TRIAL--DAY-5--CARR-S-CRIB-CARD-name_page.html

GIRLS ASKED TO CLEAN UP NOSE BLEED
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13602757_method=full_siteid=50143 _headline=-THE-SOHAM-TRIAL--DAY-5--Girls-asked-into-house-to-clean-up-nose-bleed-name_page.html

49 SHIRT FIBRES IN HUNTLEY HOUSE
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13602756_method=full_siteid=50143 _headline=-THE-SOHAM-TRIAL--DAY-5--49-shirt-fibres-in-Huntley-house-name_page.html

AussieSim

11-09-2003, 06:38 AM

How do you restrain one, and stop the other from fleeing or screaming???

This has really got me puzzled.

I just don't get it.

Aussie

mushyb

11-10-2003, 05:33 PM

Soham jury visits Huntley's house
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3257725.stm

AussieSim

11-10-2003, 06:11 PM

Huntley said one of the girls had a nosebleed. He took her to the bathroom upstairs, and the other girl also went upstairs and sat on the end of Huntley and Carr's double bed.

Huh?? What innocent male would invite or allow a young girl to sit on his bed???!!!

Also, Police noticed that the bath was cracked. How it was cracked will be something that will be asked later in the trial.

I feel so sick when I think about what those girls might have been through with Huntley.

Aussie

mushyb

11-10-2003, 11:44 PM

me to aussie, it's heartbreaking

Soham becomes an Old Bailey court
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3257805.stm

AussieSim

11-11-2003, 10:55 AM

Thanks for all the links mushy!!

Is there a link for a timeline?

I'm interested to know what time the girls went past Huntley's house, and how long after they think he dumped them. He was already changing his car tyres by that evening wasn't he??

Aussie

mushyb

11-11-2003, 05:40 PM

here you go aussie

Timeline: Girls' last movements
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3244403.stm

AussieSim

11-12-2003, 11:22 AM

thanks mushy!

Did you see the BBC article about how Huntley comforted Holly's father after the girls went missing?

What a sick creep. I still think Huntley and Carr are both a card short of the pack.

Aussie

mushyb

12-01-2003, 11:09 PM

Huntley admits 'I'm responsible'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3254102.stm

his lies make me sick :sick:

Doyle

12-03-2003, 06:26 AM

Ian Huntley reacted angrily in court when he was accused of deliberately drowning Holly Wells in his bathroom.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3257470.stm

Doyle

12-04-2003, 06:17 AM

The jury in the Soham murders trial was told yesterday that it was about to hear the final evidence in the case and that Maxine Carr would be centre stage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/04/nsoh204.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/04/ixnewstop.html

MAXINE Carr yesterday admitted lying to protect her lover Ian Huntley - but insisted she would have gone straight to the police if she had thought he had anything to do with the deaths of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
http://www.news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1331092003

Maxine Carr wanted to marry and have a daughter like Holly Wells, she told the Old Bailey.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?

Carr: 'I didn't believe Huntley did it'
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=469904xml=/news/2003/12/04/nsoh304.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/04/ixnewstop.html

Huntley is accused of 'weaving a clever, false story'
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=469870

Doyle

12-05-2003, 05:45 AM

"I'm not going to be blamed for what that thing in the box [Mr Huntley] has done to me and those children," she told the Old Bailey.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3290307.stm

Maxine Carr has insisted she did not know Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were dead when she lied to police
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3291503.stm

Carr turns on 'abusive and controlling' Huntley
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=470209

I had no choice with Huntley, says Carr
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=470217

Huntley: I put myself 'beyond point of return' by not calling police
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1099326,00.html

Doyle

12-11-2003, 05:45 AM

Ian Huntley murdered schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman after something went wrong when he initiated a sexual encounter with one or both girls, the Old Bailey has heard.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=419720&section=news

Ian Huntley's defence says there is evidence he is guilty of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's manslaughter
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3307285.stm

Killer Huntley's 'Nerves of Steel'
http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2281513

Hugh

12-12-2003, 04:29 AM

Judge will conclude summing up today, jury is expected to retire lunchtime. I was talking to a Police friend of mine yesterday who reckons that if the jury actually went on evidence alone Huntley would get manslaughter and Carr would be cleared !!! Luckily as he said the jury will probably return guilty on both, though Carr may be lucky, I just hope it's over soon and they go away for a long time.

Doyle

12-12-2003, 05:48 AM

The Soham trial judge has warned jurors that Maxine Carr's anger with Ian Huntley may have coloured any evidence against her former boyfriend
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3310313.stm

Maxine Carr has been "vilified" and cast alongside Moors murderer Myra Hindley, the Soham trial has heard.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3309375.stm

The jury in the Soham murder trial is expected to be sent out today to consider its verdicts, after the judge warned them not to let emotion influence them in this "tragic case".
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=472464

The lies and deceit of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr do not prove their guilt, the Soham trial judge warned today.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/soham/story/0,14010,1104981,00.html

Doyle

12-16-2003, 05:29 AM

The jury in the Soham murder trial has been sent home after failing to reach a verdict by the end of Monday
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3319483.stm

Casshew

12-16-2003, 12:38 PM

Failing to reach a verdict?? seriously, how hard could it be? The guy says they died in his bathroom. :fuming: :fuming:

Doyle

12-17-2003, 08:20 AM

Ian Huntley has been found guilty of the murders of Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3312551.stm

Casshew

12-17-2003, 08:37 AM

YES!!!!!!

Thank you Lord... Christmas came early!

mushyb

12-17-2003, 09:41 AM

Huntley: Life for murdering girls
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/17/uk.soham/index.html

Huntley 'targeted young girls'
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/17/uk.soham.previous/index.html

yes, thank god for the families. the second article i posted made me sick.