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Blazeboy3
11-03-2003, 04:33 AM
JonBenet:WE FAILED HER(JONBENET-MISS AMERICA)...WHY?
Why oh WHY did we fail her...???
Blazeboy3
11-03-2003, 04:39 AM
Is it because we can't channell the truth because IT HURTS/TOO PAINFULL TO COMPREHEND/CHANNEL?
popcorn
11-03-2003, 10:07 AM
It helps to look at the bigger picture, not that we failed JonBenet, rather all other children are protected from knowing your Mommy, Daddy, or big brother might kill you as you go to sleep.
Sabrina
11-03-2003, 10:48 AM
Our justice system is not perfect.
We failed Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson. There is still hope for JonBenet.
SisterSocks
11-03-2003, 03:39 PM
Get a grip Blaze , we haven't lost anything yet .
Justice will prevail for Jon Benet...
Blazeboy3
11-08-2003, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by SisterSocks
Get a grip Blaze , we haven't lost anything yet .
Justice will prevail for Jon Benet...
THANK YOU--I WILL...!!! For what it's worth--all the books written (majority says it's Patsy) I can't help but feel that her MOM sacrificed her for reasons unknown to us to this day---so how does one come to forgiveness in this case???... Somehow I believe you to be right...we are still ON IT (for JonBenet)...to the end--whatever it will take--she(JonBenet) is worth all of it!!!:cool: :) :D
SisterSocks
11-11-2003, 01:43 AM
Yep Blaze we are in for justice =)
lannie
11-11-2003, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Blazeboy3
JonBenet:WE FAILED HER(JONBENET-MISS AMERICA)...WHY?
Why oh WHY did we fail her...???
Blaze my heart goes out to you, please don't give up ,I know who ever did this must be suffering terribly! I hope & pray they will one day turn them selfs in to the police. There can be no peace for then untill they do .How can the person who did this look other people in the face ,unless they are very sick in so many different ways & it will show in time!
I just thought of it ,they have moved away from family & friends , maybe they CAN"T look people in the face any more .
Didn't O.J. do the same thing, I don't think he sees any of his old friends , buddys, hanger on,s lawers.
Are the Rams moveing in the same direction ?
sissi
11-11-2003, 11:59 AM
Yep,we failed her. We wouldn't go to a dentist for a bypass,we wouldn't expect a librarian to write a classic,we wouldn't ask a janitor to design our homes,but we allow homicide investigations to be conducted by untrained personel.
IMO
I have no say in how LE trains its personel in investigative procedures, so don't include me as one of the "we" who supposedly failed JonBenet.
sissi
11-11-2003, 01:17 PM
We are suppose to have a say,this is America,where laws are written and ammended everyday through the efforts of ordinary citizens. We won't allow a person to comb our hair for pay without the proper training and licensing,so surely we can extend this to law enforcement. The homicide rate in this country is outrageous,we really do need to fight for properly trained individuals to hold these positions in order to obtain justice for the victims.
IMO JMO
Okay, sissi, since you are willing to accept blame for the mishandling of the investigation into JonBenet's death, what specifically are you as a citizen planning to do to ensure that in the future LE is properly trained in homicide investigations? What legislation are you going to introduce that will accomplish this?
While you're at it, will you also introduce legislation preventing attorneys from making a mockery of the legal system and manipulating it as the Ramseys' attorneys have always done for them?
ajt400
11-11-2003, 02:13 PM
There has been manipulation on both sides, to me it looks worse from the side that is supposed to be professional. I thought the R's actually moved back to ATL which is where they were from. So, it seems they have moved closer to friends.
ajt, aren't attorneys supposed to be professional too?
I don't understand what the Rs moving to Atlanta has to do with this discussion. What point am I missing here?
ajt400
11-11-2003, 02:47 PM
Read the whole post and maybe you can figure it out.
I don't think most people's perception of attornies is prfessional, especially defense attornies. Their job is not to be professional, but it is to get their client off.
Maybe their attornies would have less to work with if the investigator's had not screwed up the crime scene so badly, hmmm?
sissi
11-11-2003, 03:22 PM
Ivy,as a matter of fact,I have,I was part of a voice that brought the situation in our city to the ears of a new mayor. It can be done.
http://www.ciol.org/news/newslet1-0204.html
JMO IMO
Congratulations, sissi, good work! It's too bad that even though you're not a Boulderite, or even a Coloradan, you feel you failed JonBenet by not having criticized the BPD before she was killed and brought their investigative shortcomings to the attention of the mayor of Boulder so that investigative procedures could be implemented that would have helped ensure the case was solved.
BrotherMoon
11-11-2003, 04:30 PM
I don't believe in collective guilt. I do believe in collective unconsciousness. I point the finger at the Boulder Colorado culture; New Age institutional naivete'. That comes down to one's philosophy of good and evil. The New Age culture thinks one becomes a better person by discounting the reality of Evil and treating "badness" by absorbing it into the general goodness and thus increasing goodness in general and more importantly one's self esteem. They think this can happen by mere exposure. The culture does not want to recognize Evil because it sets up a dichotomy, the anathema of "All is Oneness". This is a bastardization of eastern philosophy. Rocky Mountain High is not achieved with drugs anymore, it is achieved by self delusion and collective unconsciousness. They have sherked the results of man's long struggle toward Self awareness and opted for the bliss of ignorance that comes from delusion.
Blaze, I think you accept the theory of sacrifice to some measure. This is brave of you. The ability to recognize the evil acts of others requires knowledge of human behavior. Investigators of crime are often derailed personally as well as professionally as they encounter the reality of what people do to each other. It is difficult to approach evil without coming under it's sway. The evidence for sacrifice is there, primarily the two methods of killing and the references to The Psalms. This theory is roundly discounted especially when applied to the mother, largely I think because of ignorance of human behavior. People have been offing other people and animals to beseech their God's intervention throughout history. But most people can't see this in the case of Patsy Ramsey because if they recognize the **** on her they feel they get **** on themselves as well.
Yes the mother did it. Yes deliberately. And yes in her self serving confusion between herself and her God.
sissi
11-11-2003, 04:46 PM
Brother Moon,I was "with you" until you took the Patsy leap,otherwise great thoughts in print:)
Toltec
11-11-2003, 05:23 PM
Great thread Blazeboy...great post brothermoon...
I am convinced that it was Patsy who killed JonBenet. John said "WHY?"...not who. He cannot understand or comprehend WHY his wife would kill their daughter.
Patsy could have thought that she was sparing JonBenet from something evil. WHY Patsy chose Christmas is something only she knows. My guess is that it was based on her religious upbringing. Christmas was a day that was very important and meaningful in Patsy's mind. What better day for her precious angel to die.
My guess is that JonBenet was suffering sexual abuse at the hands of someone Patsy feared. My guess would be John since Patsy mentioned a couple of times being afraid of John. If it were Burke molesting JonBenet, I believe Patsy would have been able to handle the situation...
I cannot fathom John molesting JonBenet...but we do not know John. My first guess was Grandpa Paugh...since it is possible that he molested Patsy.
Patsy did not want JonBenet to experience the pain and suffering of sexual abuse. She had no choice (in her mind) than to sacrifice her daughter and send her to heaven where Patsy felt she would be safe.
This is only one of many theories and opinions I have.
ajt400
11-11-2003, 06:17 PM
Well, then you discount the toilet rage theory? I think everyone needs to quit hitting the bong! (LOL)
Britt
11-11-2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Toltec
...great post brothermoon...
Ditto. Great post BrotherMoon.
I am convinced that it was Patsy who killed JonBenet. John said "WHY?"...not who. He cannot understand or comprehend WHY his wife would kill their daughter.
I agree... except that IMO John knows why, and hence his participation in the cover-up. IMO his "why" question refers to himself as much as Patsy.
From PMPT:
Around 7:00 p.m. John Ramsey went for a walk with John Fernie and Dr. Francesco Beuf, JonBenét's physician, who had brought over some medication for Patsy. When they returned a half hour later, Ramsey asked Bynum to represent him. "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry," Ramsey told his friends over and over. Then, just after 8:00, he left alone to take a walk in the nearby foothills. p. 27 paperback
My guess is that JonBenet was suffering sexual abuse at the hands of someone Patsy feared. My guess would be John since Patsy mentioned a couple of times being afraid of John. If it were Burke molesting JonBenet, I believe Patsy would have been able to handle the situation...
I agree. I also think Patsy was abusing JonBenét and the abuse escalated until it became deadly.
IMCO (in my current opinion), Patsy killed JonBenét and it wasn't an "accident." It may have been an unplanned (at least consciously) explosion of rage, but when she exploded she intended in that moment to kill JB.
sissi
11-11-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by ajt400
Well, then you discount the toilet rage theory? I think everyone needs to quit hitting the bong! (LOL)
Great post AJT!
toilet rage......sexual abuse...sacrifice for God's saving Patsy ..we are allowed to pick from any of the above..
Perhaps it's almost right,maybe the motive is among those, however we don't know the who the real killer is.
It would be easy to find a motive if we knew she was being molested,someone would have to shut her up. I could see a rage over wet pants by a killer who didn't expect that,as well as a sick person using her as a pagan sacrifice . None of this sounds illogical when we are dealing with a madman,but Patsy? NO!
IMO JMO
BrotherMoon
11-11-2003, 07:43 PM
Toltec,
Psalms 50-5 Gather to me my consecrated ones who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
50-14 Sacrifice thank offerings to God, fulfill your vows to the most high.
50-15 And call apon me in the day of trouble, I will deliver you and you will honor me.
116-12 How can I repay the Lord for all His kindness to me?
116-17 I will sacrifice a thank offering to you.
118-17 I will not die but live.
118-24 This is the day the Lord has made.
119-62 At midnight I rise to give you thanks.
119-46 I have called out to you, save me! And I will keep your statutes.
God made Jesus. Jesus was born on Christmas. Ergo Christmas is the day the Lord made. And the sacrifice is made on that day. That is why Patsy chose Christmas. But she had a problem. She had to rise at midnight to give the thanks. If she rose at midnight of the 24th/25th to do it she would miss Christmas day. So she rose at midnight the 25th/26th did it (technically the 26th) and then had the tombstone read the 25th to keep the statutes.
Notice the importance of delivery in The Psalms and the inordinate use of the word in the ransom note. Also, notice the importance of saving and calling in The Psalms and the mention of calling in the note and the acronym interpretation SAVED by the cross.
Patsy mentions the importance of her 40th birthday in DOI. The Christmas of '96 was the last Christmas before her 40th and JonBenet's 7th. The number 40 is important to the Judeo/Christian religion as marking a time of probation, trial, initiation and death. There are forty days of Lent, Christ's days in the wilderness, days of the resurrection, from Easter to Ascention, forty days of Moses on Sanai, Elijah in hiding, the deluge, the years the Jews wandered in the wilderness, reign of David, reign of Solomon and more. In Mithraism, which forshadowed Christianity, forty is the number of days of initiation rites and of festivals and sacrifice.
Traditionally human life goes in cycles of seven. The transition from the 6th year to the 7th marks the infant leaving the sphere of influence of the mother to become a child in the world.
These kinds of "synchronicities" are very attractive to certain mindsets. And Patsy's predilection for synchronicities is evident by the use of the acronym and then leaving The Bible open to a passage in The Psalms with a verse whose four lines begin the letters CTBS.
She had to do it that Christmas or lose the all important synchronistic connections. Such pressure! Poor baby.
sissi
11-11-2003, 08:01 PM
You may be right,the verses may mean something to someone,someone perhaps similar to the guy who took Elizabeth Smart,a fanatical psychotic type.
IMO
ajt400
11-12-2003, 11:17 AM
Does anyone here not know that when most people lose someone they say "why?" Not why as in why did I do this or why did my wife do this or why did we stage this awful thing (I don't think if they were that quick to question what they had done, that they would have done it at all) But why did this happen to our dauhter, why did this happen to us, why did they choose her?
Imon128
11-12-2003, 11:34 AM
Yes, I believe people know that. Those who killed the victim and DO know why, can even say it, as they don't know why they did what they did or why life's circumstances played out as they did. JMO, of course.
ajt400
11-12-2003, 12:38 PM
I understand that, the point I was making was that is is not so uncommon for someone to say "Why?" Especially considering the fact that he had just found his child's body....
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