How?

[DarlieFan4Life]

I've seen a ton of messages here from people who think Darlie Routier is guilty. I don't understand how anyone who has put any time into investigating the evidence can think she's guilty. I've been researching the case since '98 or '99 & I have to admit that when the story was gonna be on 20/20 I was thinking "Aww Another Susan Smith" But I quickly changed my mind.

[IrishMist]

I've seen a ton of messages here from people who think Darlie Routier is guilty. I don't understand how anyone who has put any time into investigating the evidence can think she's guilty. I've been researching the case since '98 or '99 & I have to admit that when the story was gonna be on 20/20 I was thinking "Aww Another Susan Smith" But I quickly changed my mind.
That's strange, cause I started out thinking she was innocent, and by the time I was done looking into it, I changed my mind!

[Goody]

That's strange, cause I started out thinking she was innocent, and by the time I was done looking into it, I changed my mind!
Me, too, Irish. I have made my share of weak arguments for innocence, but after awhile you have to look at the evidence and it plainly shows that she had blood on her hands. (sorry for the pun) When all the smoke clears away, the only thing left is little Damon's angelic face. One can only imagine what thoughts were in his mind as he took his last breath. How betrayed he must have felt.

[WindChime]

When this first happend I totaly believed in her innocents as well but after the trial and reading the trial trancripts my opinon totaly changed I beleive that she is guilty as sin.

[Yellowrose]

Ut Oh, Happy Easter...All!:blowkiss:

[Jaxie]

Darliefan, welcome!


I started following this case the day it happened. I live in the area so it was all over the news. I followed the trial, articles, books, transcripts, etc. I am very objective on these things because I truly believe in "innocent until proven guilty". There are a many people that jump to conclusions before they know any facts. Those people get under my skin like nails on a chalk board.

However, in this case, I fully believe in her guilt. I don't base this on the birthday party video, nor do I base it on her behavior. (though I will say her behavior helped her none when she didn't tend to her dying kids) However, when you look at the forensic evidence and the complete lack of evidence of an intruder, you must look at the possibility that someone inside the house is responsible....and everything points toward Darlie.

I'm not saying the cops did everything right but I find it very difficult to believe that they would have framed an innocent mother. It's not easy to believe a mother could do this but it seems to happen all the time. It's tragic. As a mother, I cannot comprehend it.

When you look at Darlie's case and the fact that any version of the story she's told about what happened that night hasn't be in tune with the evidence, it becomes even that much more far fetched to believe she's not hiding something or guilty of something.

The evidence that hits me hardest in this case is:

1. The blood splatters on her gown. Now it was proven in court that it was scientifically impossible for those spots to have gotten there manner in which they did if Darlie was where she said she was. Experts testified and demonstrated how this blood got there....unfortunately, the evidence places Darlie sitting above her children, thrusting a knife down into them.

2. The fibers from the screen found on the knife that was still in the kitchen, in the butcher block. One cannot dismiss this. If the intruder fled through this window like Darlie says he did (or "they" did) then how is it that he used the knife from the butcher block in the kitchen to cut it and then placed it back when he was finished?

3. Lack of foreign DNA. One cannot dismiss this either because this place was a blood bath. No foreign foot prints inside or outside the house? No blood outside the house? No witnesses seeing someone breaking in or leaving and no signs that the gate had been messed with?

4. Blood was cleaned up. The investigators found that blood was cleaned from the sink, counters, and the couch. Do you believe the intruder was trying to be "neat"? I don't buy the "wet towel" theory. Not only did nobody see her actually get the wet towels, but there were no signs of wet towels at the scene. There were dry bloody towels, but no wet towels. Darlie wasn't soaked in water and neither was Darin or the boys. If Darlie had seen something on TV that wetting towels helped stop bleeding then why didn't she wet the towel she was holding to her own neck?

5. Darlie's wounds were superficial compared to the boys. I'm sorry but having bruises on your inner arms doesn't suggest to me that she was attacked. When someone's attacked with that kind of force then she would have had a bruised face, neck, stomach, etc. I'm sorry but I've never heard of an intruder pouncing on the inside of a woman's arms. The slice on her neck was superficial and the doctors even testified it was a "hesitation" wound, which strongly suggests self infliction.

Those are just 5 of many of the reasons why I believe Darlie is guilty. IMO the things like her bruises, the sock that was found down the ally, etc. don't help Darlie because her wounds weren't anywhere near the same as the boys and the sock had no foreign DNA on it. It has the boy's blood and Darlie's DNA. To me, that does not suggest intruder either.

Just my thoughts.

[Jeana (DP)]

I've seen a ton of messages here from people who think Darlie Routier is guilty. I don't understand how anyone who has put any time into investigating the evidence can think she's guilty. I've been researching the case since '98 or '99 & I have to admit that when the story was gonna be on 20/20 I was thinking "Aww Another Susan Smith" But I quickly changed my mind.

Hi and welcome. I've read the transcripts, all of the appellate documents, all of the books on this case, all of the media coverage and every website there is about the case. I don't understand how anyone could read all of that and come to the conclusion that she's anything but GUILTY. So, since you can't understand how I reached my conclusion and I can't understand how you reached your's, we get to the part where we just have to agree to disagree and move on. :) :) :)

[blueclouds]

Hi Darliefan4Life.... I'm on the fence leaning towards innocent but I have lingering doubts.... I used to be 100% certain she was innocent until I started reading everything here and asking more questions.

Still, there are things that don't make sense.... that could lean toward her innocence AND I STRONGLY feel because there are some strange unanswered things.... she should not be on death row period!!!

I also believe the husband is strongly involved....

[ISPTRAX]

Hi and welcome. I've read the transcripts, all of the appellate documents, all of the books on this case, all of the media coverage and every website there is about the case. I don't understand how anyone could read all of that and come to the conclusion that she's anything but GUILTY. So, since you can't understand how I reached my conclusion and I can't understand how you reached your's, we get to the part where we just have to agree to disagree and move on. :) :) :)

Hey, Jeana -- do you have a good website you can suggest for me to learn more about her crime? I'd like to become more acclimated with this case -- getting bored with ISP (LOL)...

[Jeana (DP)]

Hey, Jeana -- do you have a good website you can suggest for me to learn more about her crime? I'd like to become more acclimated with this case -- getting bored with ISP (LOL)...


Here ya go!

http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/

This is her official website. Good place to view the transcripts and post-judgment/appellate motions. As you may expect, its slanted towards her innocence.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/guiltyascharged/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

This forum is a little “unorganized,” but the posters know this case better than anyone (except maybe the family and the prosecutor’s office). They’re very intelligent and don’t mind trying things out at home to see if they can be done!!!! LOL Oh, and several of them are also Websleuths members!!

Also, try to find the book “Media Tried, Justice Denied” by Christopher Wayne Brown. He’s a moron and can’t forumulate a sentence and can’t spell worth a crap, but the photos are worth the price of the book, but be warned, they’re bloody, graphic and show everything. VERY hard to look at and should never be looked at by a child.

[ISPTRAX]

Here ya go!

http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/

This is her official website. Good place to view the transcripts and post-judgment/appellate motions. As you may expect, its slanted towards her innocence.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/guiltyascharged/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

This forum is a little “unorganized,” but the posters know this case better than anyone (except maybe the family and the prosecutor’s office). They’re very intelligent and don’t mind trying things out at home to see if they can be done!!!! LOL Oh, and several of them are also Websleuths members!!

Also, try to find the book “Media Tried, Justice Denied” by Christopher Wayne Brown. He’s a moron and can’t forumulate a sentence and can’t spell worth a crap, but the photos are worth the price of the book, but be warned, they’re bloody, graphic and show everything. VERY hard to look at and should never be looked at by a child.

Wow, Jeana, thanks. I did find a site that outlined the chain of events. How awful and it does seem a bit too convenient that she didn't do it. I'll check out your sites, too. Thanks!

[Jeana (DP)]

Wow, Jeana, thanks. I did find a site that outlined the chain of events. How awful and it does seem a bit too convenient that she didn't do it. I'll check out your sites, too. Thanks!

You're very welcome!!! Holler if you have questions.

[JimPence]

My two cents. (Again.)

I would really like for Darlie to be innocent, because I can't conceive of a young mother doing such an horrific thing.

But I've read all the books (with the exception of Patricia Springer's), looked at the evidence, read a fair portion of the trial transcripts (I'll finish after I finish writing my novel), and looked at the various Darlie Web sites.

I just don't see how she could be anything but guilty.

Jim

[Dani_T]

Hi DarlieFan4Life,

What evidence convinces you of her innocence? That's always a good starting point for discussion on the case.

[Goody]

I just don't see how she could be anything but guilty.

Jim
I totally agree, Jim. And the more she tries to prove she didn't do it, the more guilty she looks. I am referring specifically to the hypnotic session that presented two intruders, not just one, and how they seemed to be matched to the questionable evidence rather than the blood evidence. Like the negroid hair, etc.

[IrishMist]

I totally agree, Jim. And the more she tries to prove she didn't do it, the more guilty she looks. I am referring specifically to the hypnotic session that presented two intruders, not just one, and how they seemed to be matched to the questionable evidence rather than the blood evidence. Like the negroid hair, etc.
Is there a transcript or anything about the hynosis session? I looked on the Darlie site, and didn't see it.

[Dani_T]

The hypnosis report is available for download at www.justicefordarlie.net (or 'Just Darlie' as we like to call it!). Despite the fact that the report is over 8 pages long there is less than 1 page about what Darlie said whilst under hypnosis.

[IrishMist]

The hypnosis report is available for download at www.justicefordarlie.net (http://www.justicefordarlie.net/) (or 'Just Darlie' as we like to call it!). Despite the fact that the report is over 8 pages long there is less than 1 page about what Darlie said whilst under hypnosis.
Thanks, Dani. I'll look again. I hate to be a pain in the butt (no matter WHAT the IrishMister will tell you...) but is it labelled hypnosis report? I seriously have looked for it a couple of times, maybe it's right in front of my face.

[Goody]

The hypnosis report is available for download at www.justicefordarlie.net (http://www.justicefordarlie.net/) (or 'Just Darlie' as we like to call it!). Despite the fact that the report is over 8 pages long there is less than 1 page about what Darlie said whilst under hypnosis.'

I had forgotten where I saw that. It's been a while.

[Dani_T]

Thanks, Dani. I'll look again. I hate to be a pain in the butt (no matter WHAT the IrishMister will tell you...) but is it labelled hypnosis report? I seriously have looked for it a couple of times, maybe it's right in front of my face.

Hmm you know you're right. I can't find it anymore either. Isn't that interesting they must have taken it down. I don't appear to have a saved copy on my computer either. Do you Goody?

From memory it spend a long time talking about the hypnotic process, warning Darlie that it wasn't 100%, complaining about the prison officials who were interrupting them and then about 1-2 paragraphs about what she remembered under hypnosis. I THINK she said something about waking up on the couch with one of them over here and then struggling and falling down on top of Damon (Goody??? Remember anything more specific). She definitely indicated there was now two intruders involved.

Pity it has been removed.

[IrishMist]

It is a pity that it's been removed, but at least now I know I'm not totally blind!

I was afraid I was getting like the IrishMister- if it doesn't jump out of the cupboard when he opens the door-- he says it's not there!!

[Goody]

Hmm you know you're right. I can't find it anymore either. Isn't that interesting they must have taken it down. I don't appear to have a saved copy on my computer either. Do you Goody?.
:woohoo: I have the hypnosis report on my other computer. I'll hook it up and send it to you. How is that?

From memory it spend a long time talking about the hypnotic process, warning Darlie that it wasn't 100%, complaining about the prison officials who were interrupting them and then about 1-2 paragraphs about what she remembered under hypnosis. I THINK she said something about waking up on the couch with one of them over here and then struggling and falling down on top of Damon (Goody??? Remember anything more specific). She definitely indicated there was now two intruders involved.

Pity it has been removed.
O, it was so much BS. You are right about the general synopsis. You left out some detail on the struggle. She describes a big black guy (can't diverge too much for that Detective Frosch description) and then the little dark skinned guy (obviously to account for the little fingerprints) Hahahahahah! I bet if the truth were known, Darlie didn't even want to do it, that someone else talked her into it. It seemed like a halfhearted attempt to explain evidence and create the reasonable doubt she desperately needs, and it also sounded phony as heck. The strangest thing about it though is that they never made another attempt to retrieve information or jump start her memory thru hypnosis. I guess when something works as good as that did, you make sure you never try to use it again. LOL!

[Goody]

I was afraid I was getting like the IrishMister- if it doesn't jump out of the cupboard when he opens the door-- he says it's not there!!
aaahahahahahahah! Well, I guess we all have an IrishMister at home then. LOL!@

[IrishMist]

I'll take you up on that offer, Goody, if you get the chance... sounds like it's kinda of a pain in the butt, though...

I'm glad I'm not the only one with an IrishMister!!!

[Jeana (DP)]

Hey CyberLaw! Welcome.

Not only was nothing stolen, but besides the wine glass, I don't think anything even was broken during this life and death struggle. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[cami]

I've seen a ton of messages here from people who think Darlie Routier is guilty. I don't understand how anyone who has put any time into investigating the evidence can think she's guilty. I've been researching the case since '98 or '99 & I have to admit that when the story was gonna be on 20/20 I was thinking "Aww Another Susan Smith" But I quickly changed my mind.

Maybe you could share with us what brought you to innocence.

I believed she was innocent until I read the trial transcripts and learned the blood evidence. Her story always disturbed me though. It just didn't ring true.

[cami]

:woohoo: I have the hypnosis report on my other computer. I'll hook it up and send it to you. How is that?




Oh ms Goody, I'd sure like to read that hypnosis report as well.

[Jeana (DP)]

Goody, is there any way to post the report here? :blowkiss:

[Dani_T]

Hey Goody,

That'd be great if you could email it to me. They obviously took it down for a reason... wonder why?

Do you have my email?

Dani

PS. No hurry :)

[Goody]

I'll take you up on that offer, Goody, if you get the chance... sounds like it's kinda of a pain in the butt, though...

I'm glad I'm not the only one with an IrishMister!!!
Well, I found most of the cords. LOL! Grrrrrr....I am going to have to get my son to help me. It is not that hard but there is so much stuff piled around. We are doing spring cleaning and sometimes I think it would just be easier to buy a new house and leave the stuff here. hahahahahahahaha!

[Goody]

Hey Goody,

That'd be great if you could email it to me. They obviously took it down for a reason... wonder why?

Do you have my email?

Dani

PS. No hurry :)
Yeah, I think so. If not, I will find you. LOL!

[Goody]

Goody, is there any way to post the report here? :blowkiss:
Probably if I can get the other computer hooked up again. It is on a floppy and this new computer doesn't have a floppy drive. Maybe I should just go to Best Buy and get one/ LOL!

[Mirielle]

Darlie Fan4Life:

(SNIP) Why is this for lack of a better word, women still alive and breathing. She reminds me so much of Diane Downs.

Diane and Darlie still claim to be "looking" for the "person" who is responsible for killing their kids. I am still waiting..........please share.

Sort of like O.J. looking for the killer of Nicole and Ron on the golf course and in five star restarurants.

I can state many, many "facts" that directly point to Darlie.

Remember she was found guilty by a jury of her peers.

GUILTY...........beyond a reasonable doubt.

I have no doubt, never will, never did.
Totally agree about similarity to Diane Downs. Also shades of Jeff McDonald and now with the two black guys, Susan Smith. Jeff was also on diet pills. They can cause intense rage. But, the ability to murder has to be there in the first place...otherwise why not go outside and smash the crockery?

When I read through Darlie's cross with the DA, I got soooo disgusted (with her). I think she is a total narcissist and she had a tantrum because she wasn't getting her way. She would have killed the baby had he been downstairs, too. The reason the baby lived is that she would have possibly been caught by her hubby killing him.

[IrishMist]

Well, I found most of the cords. LOL! Grrrrrr....I am going to have to get my son to help me. It is not that hard but there is so much stuff piled around. We are doing spring cleaning and sometimes I think it would just be easier to buy a new house and leave the stuff here. hahahahahahahaha!
One time when I moved, I got the cutest change of address cards... on the front it said "We're moving to a new house..."
Inside: "The old one is dirty"

[Goody]

Oh ms Goody, I'd sure like to read that hypnosis report as well.
Gosh, I didn't know so many people hadn't read it. I will get on it right away.

[mollymalone]

Hey CyberLaw! Welcome.

Not only was nothing stolen, but besides the wine glass, I don't think anything even was broken during this life and death struggle. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Right. There were knick knacks that were delicate and could have been smashed easily if there was a struggle. One wine glass. Not even the glass top on the coffee table, it was laying on the floor. Not even a scratch or crack.

[mollymalone]

Totally agree about similarity to Diane Downs. Also shades of Jeff McDonald and now with the two black guys, Susan Smith. Jeff was also on diet pills. They can cause intense rage. But, the ability to murder has to be there in the first place...otherwise why not go outside and smash the crockery?

When I read through Darlie's cross with the DA, I got soooo disgusted (with her). I think she is a total narcissist and she had a tantrum because she wasn't getting her way. She would have killed the baby had he been downstairs, too. The reason the baby lived is that she would have possibly been caught by her hubby killing him.I agree with you on that. She took away something that meant a lot to Darin, the two boys. She couldn't have Darin seeing her do the deed. She set the scene and THEN screamed.

[cami]

I agree with you on that. She took away something that meant a lot to Darin, the two boys. She couldn't have Darin seeing her do the deed. She set the scene and THEN screamed.

I can't get over the similarities between Darlie and Mac the knife. Jongalt did a really good comparison years ago on Stark's website. You can read it here (http://www.geocities.com/starkman14/darlie_vs_mcdonald.htm)

[camillllla]

Hey Goody and all of you!

I wonder why they removed the hypnosis report from JustDarlie? ...Maybe to make space for the Potters field video tour! hahaha :crazy:

I missed smilies!

c

Goody check your inbox

[dasgal]

Ok, this girl has got to be kidding us. Investigate? Ok, how did she investigate this? I wanna know.

Darlie Fan? FAN? Are you kidding me? You guys know that I like many of the supporters, but FAN????????????????

Heck all the supporters I know of at least hold some harbored doubt.

DarlieFan, tell you what....I don't think you have any idea how to investigate this case. If you think you do, please share it with me.

[camillllla]

Ok, this girl has got to be kidding us. Investigate? Ok, how did she investigate this? I wanna know.

Darlie Fan? FAN? Are you kidding me? You guys know that I like many of the supporters, but FAN????????????????

Heck all the supporters I know of at least hold some harbored doubt.

DarlieFan, tell you what....I don't think you have any idea how to investigate this case. If you think you do, please share it with me.

Dasgal, I was thinking the very same thing... ...FAN???
But since Im a newbie here I didnt want to be the first one to say anything. :silenced: :chicken:

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[cami]

Gosh, I didn't know so many people hadn't read it. I will get on it right away.

Well, what did we learn, LOL. Two black guys? What happened to the guy she saw walking away from her when she, cough, cough, woke up?

[mollymalone]

Dasgal, I was thinking the very same thing... ...FAN???
But since Im a newbie here I didnt want to be the first one to say anything. :silenced: :chicken:

cThere's been a lot of "fan" sites being set up for convicted murderers. SP now has "fan listings." There's something terribly wrong with that concept. These are not rock stars or celebrities. They are murderers. To be a fan of a murderer says quite a lot about the fan. IMO

[mollymalone]

I can't get over the similarities between Darlie and Mac the knife. Jongalt did a really good comparison years ago on Stark's website. You can read it here (http://www.geocities.com/starkman14/darlie_vs_mcdonald.htm)Thanks! It really is a good comparison. With a few changes it could fit Diane Downs too, and probably other cases. Darlie did say they "had a few words" which to many means a verbal fight,but she sure made sure she said that everything was okay.

[Yellowrose]

You're absolutely right, SP is nothing but a cold blooded murderer, just look at him, you don't even have to follow that case. He's guilty as sin. He probably didn't want to pay child support and alimony. So he chose murder. He was a SPOILED creep and his mother is a JO, AHOE, just like him, and I do mean AHOE. There's been a lot of "fan" sites being set up for convicted murderers. SP now has "fan listings." There's something terribly wrong with that concept. These are not rock stars or celebrities. They are murderers. To be a fan of a murderer says quite a lot about the fan. IMO

[cami]

You're absolutely right, SP is nothing but a cold blooded murderer, just look at him, you don't even have to follow that case. He's guilty as sin. He probably didn't want to pay child support and alimony. So he chose murder. He was a SPOILED creep and his mother is a JO, AHOE, just like him, and I do mean AHOE.

I watched that case and trial very closely. To see a sociopath at work just fascinated me. The havoc they wreck on those close to them. We've read about it so much--Diane Downs, Darlie, MacDonald, etc., this time we were right in the middle of it observing-well as much as possible that is. There's no doubt in my mind he is guilty of the crimes charged.

[camillllla]

There's been a lot of "fan" sites being set up for convicted murderers. SP now has "fan listings." There's something terribly wrong with that concept. These are not rock stars or celebrities. They are murderers. To be a fan of a murderer says quite a lot about the fan. IMO

Hi Molly,

yes it sure does.
Ok, Im sure this poster who calls herself a Darlie-fan does not belive Darlie is a murderer. So its not like she exactly qualifies as a murder-groupie.
She just wants her support of Darlie to be obvious.
I'd say she just chose a lousy handle.

Molly, you seem to have a good grip on the case, the only thing I disagree with you (from what Ive read so far of your posts) is that the vacuum machine is evidence of guilt. I think its just a red herring, moved there after she supported herself on it by the bar. It was most likely moved there by someone as it was in the way and noone remembers it (can't blame them!) But still there is so much evidence apart from the vacuum cleaner that I am sure the jury did not convict her just for that.





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[Jeana (DP)]

Maybe she didn't already have a name in mind when she registered. In any event, let's stick to her theories of the case and not on her name please. :) :) :) :)

[mollymalone]

Hi Molly,

yes it sure does.
Ok, Im sure this poster who calls herself a Darlie-fan does not belive Darlie is a murderer. So its not like she exactly qualifies as a murder-groupie.
She just wants her support of Darlie to be obvious.
I'd say she just chose a lousy handle.

Molly, you seem to have a good grip on the case, the only thing I disagree with you (from what Ive read so far of your posts) is that the vacuum machine is evidence of guilt. I think its just a red herring, moved there after she supported herself on it by the bar. It was most likely moved there by someone as it was in the way and noone remembers it (can't blame them!) But still there is so much evidence apart from the vacuum cleaner that I am sure the jury did not convict her just for that.
cOh, the vaccum is just one facet, not an overriding piece of the circumstances of the case. I think she put it down to support her story somehow just like she broke one glass. The vaccum cleaner position in relation to the blood tells it's own piece of the puzzle.

I followed the case, but I'm having to refresh my memory by looking things up, it's been awhile, and I hadn't really discussed the case with anyone. It's great to discuss it with other posters and hear their ideas. There are others here who are much more informed about the case than I am.

Anyone who chooses a nic that involves the name of an inmate they support IMO is making it clear where their support lies. I don't fault them for that.
I do wonder about some of the more rabid supporters motivation when they create "fan listings."

[camillllla]

Oh, the vaccum is just one facet, not an overriding piece of the circumstances of the case. I think she put it down to support her story somehow just like she broke one glass. The vaccum cleaner position in relation to the blood tells it's own piece of the puzzle.

I followed the case, but I'm having to refresh my memory by looking things up, it's been awhile, and I hadn't really discussed the case with anyone. It's great to discuss it with other posters and hear their ideas. There are others here who are much more informed about the case than I am.

Anyone who chooses a nic that involves the name of an inmate they support IMO is making it clear where their support lies. I don't fault them for that.
I do wonder about some of the more rabid supporters motivation when they create "fan listings."

Hi Molly

When I first came across the Routier case on the net and the discussion boards of the time, I think its fair to say that us posters were 50%-guilty ('Anti's')50%-innocent (supporters), and many were not at all sure. I was totally undecided for more than a year. Even if I read the transcripts and studied the photos, I wasn't sure, mainly because there were so many persistent supporters arguing everything in Darlies favor. I kept giving her second chances. Now I have no more dillusions and no difficulties detecting the many flaws in supporters arguments and the misinformation they are built on.
Anyway, I finally 'got it' and joined the 'Anti' club.
We have successfully debunked all intruder theories and corrected a lot of misinformation since then which sole purpose was to spawn new supporters. Nowadays you can count them on one hand. They are a rare breed (supporters who have encountered us and still believe in Darlie, maybe only 1-2).

I also understood in time that us Anti's have our own disagreements when it comes to evidence, motive and Darins involvement.

I do not agree with everthing the State presented as evidence.
And (here comes the bomb...) I do not believe that Darlie staged anything inside the livingroom or kitchen. (Apart from cleaning the sink area)
The only staging meant for police to SEE was the cut screen.

Ok, you dont know me at all and maybe you think Im a little bit ...far out there :crazy: , but I can assure you that...Im not ! Haha!
I leave very little to imagination. I only follow the evidence.

If you have the crime scene photos, take a moment to note down all the items you think were staged/have been taught were staged. Then if you like we can go through them one by one and I bet you'll be surprised.

I had actually stopped discussing this case by now, but I find the question of staging still to be quite interesting.

:)


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[mollymalone]

Hi Molly
SNIP

I do not agree with everthing the State presented as evidence.
And (here comes the bomb...) I do not believe that Darlie staged anything inside the livingroom or kitchen. (Apart from cleaning the sink area)
The only staging meant for police to SEE was the cut screen.

Ok, you dont know me at all and maybe you think Im a little bit ...far out there :crazy: , but I can assure you that...Im not ! Haha!
I leave very little to imagination. I only follow the evidence.

If you have the crime scene photos, take a moment to note down all the items you think were staged/have been taught were staged. Then if you like we can go through them one by one and I bet you'll be surprised.

I had actually stopped discussing this case by now, but I find the question of staging still to be quite interesting.
:)

c I'm quite aware some think Darin was involved and some don't. There are some people who just cannot wrap their heads around the fact that she would do this to her own children. I'm sure that's what is said quite often in many cases. As for staging, Darlie may have thought she had to "stage" a few things to prove that there had been an intruder who had knocked these things over, such as the screen, the broken glass and maybe even the vaccuum. She did feel she had to clean up any blood there was by the sink.

As you say, the screen may have been the only thing LE was supposed to see, but then she thought at the last moment, I have to add something. That's the reason I think she may have added those other touches at the last moment.

[cami]

Hi Molly

When I first came across the Routier case on the net and the discussion boards of the time, I think its fair to say that us posters were 50%-guilty ('Anti's')50%-innocent (supporters), and many were not at all sure. I was totally undecided for more than a year. Even if I read the transcripts and studied the photos, I wasn't sure, mainly because there were so many persistent supporters arguing everything in Darlies favor. I kept giving her second chances. Now I have no more dillusions and no difficulties detecting the many flaws in supporters arguments and the misinformation they are built on.
Anyway, I finally 'got it' and joined the 'Anti' club.
We have successfully debunked all intruder theories and corrected a lot of misinformation since then which sole purpose was to spawn new supporters. Nowadays you can count them on one hand. They are a rare breed (supporters who have encountered us and still believe in Darlie, maybe only 1-2).

I also understood in time that us Anti's have our own disagreements when it comes to evidence, motive and Darins involvement.

I do not agree with everthing the State presented as evidence.
And (here comes the bomb...) I do not believe that Darlie staged anything inside the livingroom or kitchen. (Apart from cleaning the sink area)
The only staging meant for police to SEE was the cut screen.

Ok, you dont know me at all and maybe you think Im a little bit ...far out there :crazy: , but I can assure you that...Im not ! Haha!
I leave very little to imagination. I only follow the evidence.

If you have the crime scene photos, take a moment to note down all the items you think were staged/have been taught were staged. Then if you like we can go through them one by one and I bet you'll be surprised.

I had actually stopped discussing this case by now, but I find the question of staging still to be quite interesting.

:)


c

Hey Cam, maybe we can talk you into bringing your how she did it based on the blood evidence over here.

You know, I never did get all that stuff with the vacuum cleaner. It totally confused me. I don't think Darlie staged anything with the vacuum, I think she bled on it when she went to the Utility room, where it was stored, so it had to become part of the crime scene. I just can't see a neatnik like Darlie leave the vacuum out.