Found Deceased FL-Missing:Sarah Lunde Florida 12 yrs old [Archive] - Page 2

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 05:35 PM

I don't think it's fair to blame the brother. He's a 17 year old boy, and they're totally self-absorbed.

He didn't create this mess, he's dodging that jackass Onstott TOO, he's had to grow himself up by himself too. He was there alone in the trailer by design - no one misunderstood where he was - he was left alone.

He didn't cause this. He's a victim too. That there was no food in the house at midnight (maybe there actually was a lot of food, we don't know, maybe she wanted something different) wasn't his fault.

NO, it's not his fault because he has been raised to be irresponsible and he doesn't know any better, but, he did have a hand in this and is approching adulthood. I hope he does accept that he could have acted differently and learn from it. So far all I have seen from him is that he is NOT responsible! Isn't that what all these peoples problem is to begin with? No one taught them to be responsible! Life has teeth and it will bite you. jmo

MistyGirl

04-18-2005, 05:35 PM

I am jsut sick you mean to tell me it is true that none of her family includign her own mother came to the memorial service....WTF. WOW SAD.

This poor little girl.

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 05:40 PM

I am jsut sick you mean to tell me it is true that none of her family includign her own mother came to the memorial service....WTF. WOW SAD.

This poor little girl.

shame comes to mind...jmo

packerdog

04-18-2005, 05:43 PM

If Onstott had this gal Ashley as a girlfriend, why did he go to Sarah's house to see her mother? I think he was only there to nab Sarah.

Sarah's mother better get some help now because I don't know how any parent could live with themself after putting their family last and their child murdered because of the company they kept and leaving a child home alone.

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 05:48 PM

And, about the brother...I wasn't specifically referring to him. I was saying that she had an extended family, (uncle, aunts, grown sisters, grown step brothers, all those people at the church etc.) that all looked to be NOT homeless, they were dressed reasonably well, probably have jobs and homes...and NO ONE wanted to take responsibility for Sarah....well, you get the picture!

packerdog

04-18-2005, 05:51 PM

RAF, I think they are all to blame. Does anyone know where her mother worked, what kind of job she had?

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 05:55 PM

RAF, I think they are all to blame. Does anyone know where her mother worked, what kind of job she had?

Not a clue...but if I had to guess, I would say she was probably on welfare. Anybody know?

KatherineQ

04-18-2005, 05:56 PM

packerdog

04-18-2005, 06:09 PM

Katherine, It seems that the mother could not even make a phone call home to find out if her son was ok, much less call the pastor to check up on her young daughter. A 17 yr. old boy left alone for the weekend needs more supervision than a 5yr.old now days. I can just imagine what kind of shape the house was in. I don't think there was all that much food in the house if Sarah asked her brother to bring her home some. What kind of a brother tells his young sister that he will bring food home and doesn't? I taught my boys to watch out for each other and thats what family members do.

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 06:11 PM

Richandfamous - no, he didn't act responsibly but in fact, she's not his responsibility. I know that sounds cold, I don't mean it to be. He's not responsible for her. Her mother is, and her father (NO one has ever mentioned that she has a dad, God only knows where that slacker is).

It's not like the brother hurt her, or attracted someone to the house who hurt her. His mistake is in being absorbed with his own life and his own self. That's what teenage boys are really really good at. Being absorbed in themselves. And the fact of the matter is, most teenage boys are allowed that luxury and aren't placed in the position of defending their younger sisters from murderers in the home.

We need to blame who is at fault here, and that's Onstott. And secondarily, God knows where her absent father is, and then her mother who misunderstood when Sarah would be home.

My children are responsible for each other...they have to look out for each other. That's what families do! And YES Onstott is the evil bast**d that did this and he should die for it....but it is my job to NOT put my kids in risky situations. This wasn't the first time Sarah was neglected or alone at night. The pastor and his wife said she was alone much of the time. This kid didn't fall through a crack...she fell through a chasm as big as the grand canyon.

packerdog

04-18-2005, 06:17 PM

:clap: :clap: :clap: richandfamous

joanofarc

04-18-2005, 06:18 PM

My children are responsible for each other...they have to look out for each other. That's what families do! And YES Onstott is the evil bast**d that did this and he should die for it....but it is my job to NOT put my kids in risky situations. This wasn't the first time Sarah was neglected or alone at night. The pastor and his wife said she was alone much of the time. This kid didn't fall through a crack...she fell through a chasm as big as the grand canyon.I agree totally R&F....you often hear of children, who are raised in "tough situations",where the siblings are very close due to the neglect of the mother/father....I just don't get the cruelty of saying...yep, I'll go get you some food and then go ahead and eat yourself and totally disregard your baby sister....:waitasec: .

Sorry but I wasn't raised like that...and we had tough times in my family...but my siblings ALWAYS took care of me :)

KatherineQ

04-18-2005, 06:24 PM

joanofarc

04-18-2005, 06:29 PM

I wonder if Sarah was a bit confrontational...as in did she have a chip on her shoulder...anger issues?? It almost seemed like the brother thought...oh, she must have got mad at me and went to a friends...even though the door was left wide open....DUH...but it did make me wonder if Sarah had some issues and would run away or leave when something upset her??

packerdog

04-18-2005, 06:29 PM

How very sad, she probably was waiting for her brother to show up with some food and a monster shows up and takes her. So very very sad.

packerdog

04-18-2005, 06:32 PM

joanofarc,If he thought she left to go to a friends for food then he is a jerk to just go to bed.

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 06:35 PM

Packerdog - at first, honestly, I thought the brother had killed Sarah. It seemed just totally unbelievable, that he didn't think anything of his door standing open like that, and her missing, and then that jerk arriving for the rest of his beer.

Then I thought of my own kids. People actually do comment, how kind they are to each other, how they help each other out and get along well. It's true, they do. I'm really blessed. But I could see this happening - one of them being 17 and going out for something to eat for a sister, running into friends and forgetting what he was doing. I can just see it - it's amazing how forgetful they can be. It's like, they'd lose their heads if they weren't attached. ;D

He's been abandoned by his father, he's grown up in a weird situation with weirdo violent boyfriends of his mother coming around threatening his safety, he didn't act attentively this time. And evil was lurking around the corner.

Who's to say if he had actually come home with food within the hour, anything at all would have been different for Sarah?

If he doesn't accept some responsibity here, he will be just another sperm donor like his father!

Kids aren't stupid, even without parental example they know when they should be responsible. Sometimes terrible things happen because we were not responsibly and that's how life teaches us. It's part of growing up and I hope he learns from this instead of going into denial about his part in this. His part of this responsibility is small in comparison to the others involved here but it will be life changing for him.

Now, more importantly, what do you thing about all the other people that failed Sarah?

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 06:38 PM

:clap: :clap: :clap: richandfamous

back at you Packerdog. I guess we come from the old school. No wonder the young people are in such trouble these days. It's fightening for future generations. Glad I'll be dead. LOL

concernedperson

04-18-2005, 06:38 PM

My children are responsible for each other...they have to look out for each other. That's what families do! And YES Onstott is the evil bast**d that did this and he should die for it....but it is my job to NOT put my kids in risky situations. This wasn't the first time Sarah was neglected or alone at night. The pastor and his wife said she was alone much of the time. This kid didn't fall through a crack...she fell through a chasm as big as the grand canyon.

Yes, we can rehash every possibility but the true fact is that this little girl was let down. By pretty much everyone she came in contact with...no one was especially preventative in her care and upbringing but rather complacent as life rolled along. Her life's example may be an eye opener for some and others may actually try harder to help kids who are in a disadvantaged position. I hope that this is the case.

Miss Daisey

04-18-2005, 06:41 PM

My children are responsible for each other...they have to look out for each other. That's what families do! And YES Onstott is the evil bast**d that did this and he should die for it....but it is my job to NOT put my kids in risky situations. This wasn't the first time Sarah was neglected or alone at night. The pastor and his wife said she was alone much of the time. This kid didn't fall through a crack...she fell through a chasm as big as the grand canyon.
Yes, that seems to be the case...she just fell threw the chasm. Poor little girl.

I read last week that Sara's father lives in Zepherhills....north of Tampa...and hadn't been around in about 10yrs. Where does HE fit into this? You'd think that he'd have know about Sara's living conditions if he cared enough to inquire.

Mom should have been more attentive and vigilant about her daughter but her Dad had a responsiblity as well.

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 06:43 PM

Yes, we can rehash every possibility but the true fact is that this little girl was let down. By pretty much everyone she came in contact with...no one was especially preventative in her care and upbringing but rather complacent as life rolled along. Her life's example may be an eye opener for some and others may actually try harder to help kids who are in a disadvantaged position. I hope that this is the case.

That is the point I'm trying to get across. Thanks! You said it well.

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 06:45 PM

Yes, that seems to be the case...she just fell threw the chasm. Poor little girl.

I read last week that Sara's father lives in Zepherhills....north of Tampa...and hadn't been around in about 10yrs. Where does HE fit into this? You'd think that he'd have know about Sara's living conditions if he cared enough to inquire.

Mom should have been more attentive and vigilant about her daughter but her Dad had a responsiblity as well.

The sperm donor has a long criminal history including bigamy...so obviously he has no regard for anyone.

Miss Daisey

04-18-2005, 06:52 PM

The sperm donor has a long criminal history including bigamy...so obviously he has no regard for anyone.Well H**L !!!! What a bunch of low-lifes !!!!

I'm beginning to think the state should take all such kids away from parents such as Sara's. I know the kids love their parents...they don't know anything different but....we're seeing what can happen to them. Anything is better than living like that !!!

Liz

04-18-2005, 06:57 PM

Does anyone know where her mother worked, what kind of job she had?

I heard that she worked in a 'nursery'.

Sarah's youth pastor and his sister (Sarah's friend) were being interviewed by Greta, I think, and that's what 'sis' said. I thought she may have said 'Publix Nursery', but can't say with certainty.

ETA: I googled to see if there was a Publix Nursery, and found that there is a Hubbell's Nursery in Ruskin. I think it's probable that this is what Sarah's friend said, in that interview.

KatherineQ

04-18-2005, 07:21 PM

I think I just need to get out of this thread.

I understand that Sarah would probably be alive today if she lived in better circumstances, but that didn't keep Adam Walsh alive, and it didn't keep Elizabeth Smart home in her bed. Or countless others who have been nabbed by predators and killed, despite coming from excellent homes with two parent loving families.

She lived in neglect, but it didn't appear she lived with abuse. She had a close circle of loving church friends, who went way above and beyond to surround her with support.

It's a tragedy that she's gone. And Onstott is to blame.

Take care, all. I'm really out of this.

joanofarc

04-18-2005, 07:31 PM

I heard that she worked in a 'nursery'.

Sarah's youth pastor and his sister (Sarah's friend) were being interviewed by Greta, I think, and that's what 'sis' said. I thought she may have said 'Publix Nursery', but can't say with certainty.

Does anyone know if Publix has their own nursery in close proximity to where the Lunde's lived?As in, a "plant" nursery or a "people" nursery... ?? :waitasec: :)

eta:....rofl...I bet it's a fish nursery....;)

joanofarc

04-18-2005, 07:48 PM

She lived in neglect, but it didn't appear she lived with abuse. She had a close circle of loving church friends, who went way above and beyond to surround her with support. Yes, but that's the problem! The circle of "close loving" church members can only do so much...IMO the responsibility lies with the parent(s)....

Is anyone "in tune" with a trend happening, here??....

I have read more in the news of late "less" fortunate girls falling prey to the horrible monsters their mothers seem to have wlcomed and embraced with open arms? These neglected and IMO abused young girls are at least getting more media exposure ...it's about time!! How many more are out there that we not hearing about.....??

It is time for society to wise up and look at what is really happening to our kids...good homes, bad homes,...it really doesn't matter anymore....Women have to get with the program and realize that there is more at stake when they expose their children to dangerous individuals all in the pursuit of their OWN gratification...We are too much of a "me" society...the old "I deserve this"...just ain't workin anymore...:doh:

richandfamous

04-18-2005, 08:13 PM

O'Riley has youth minister on and will have Couey's neice on later!!!

youth minister says she loved her mother and family but asked for prayer for them
he says her life was troubled.
O'Riley says mother was charged with drugs
Everyone let this little girl down.

sounds like the youth minister has been counseled not to make remarks about the family irresponsibilty
sorry I'm not very good at transcribing

txsvicki

04-19-2005, 01:30 AM

Nancy Grace had an older man on her show, a minister. I don't know if he is the youth minister or another, but I was very glad to see that he is not running his mouth. He answered the questions, and talked about Sarah. I was so offended at the reports of what the ministers were saying in the btk case, and in the Jessica Lunsford murder. Telling the church or the world to forgive the murderers is not appropriate in these cases and neither is running down the parents. Nancy Grace and the authorities can handle that and they should if necessary. There was even a spot of a woman who I guess was a church member showing anger at the murderer which in my opinion is healthy and appropriate. If Christians should choose to forgive something like this, then it is up to them, not some man blathering on television.

txsvicki

04-19-2005, 01:37 AM

Well H**L !!!! What a bunch of low-lifes !!!!

I'm beginning to think the state should take all such kids away from parents such as Sara's. I know the kids love their parents...they don't know anything different but....we're seeing what can happen to them. Anything is better than living like that !!!

I'm raising 4 of them right now. The neglector is my own abused daughter who lived with a bum who provided no running water, no gas, no cookstove, no way to flush the toilet in the last months before I got them. They took my grandkids away and gave them to me, but it took 3-4 calls to CPS over a period of 7 years to get it done. I'd also take in a foster child, but it's all I can do to take care of these.

Sheromom

04-19-2005, 03:15 AM

Kudos to you, TxsVicki! I know I posted earlier about my abused grandson. A police officer removed him from his home with hand print bruises and three days later, CPS gave him back. For six years I have filed complaint after complaint to no avail. I think they will give him to us when she finally kills him so that they won't have to pay the burial fee. Honestly, it is SO hard to deal with; the little guy is partially deaf because of his mother. His dad, my son, still lives with us and gets him three days a week but that is not enough!!! Somehow, we have got to get our agencies to ACT! I started an after school enrichment program at one of my daughter's schools (kids stay after school to learn things like ballet, cheerleading, etc. for only $3 for six weeks). We found volunteer instructors. People told me I would never be able to do it. Finding volunteers was not a problem; the worst thing I had to deal with was parents who put their children in the program and then wouldn't come back for them for HOURS after the classes were finished. The school Principal finally told me to tell all parents that if they were more than 15 minutes late, we would contact CPS. Well, I had four kids from the same family who had a habitually late mother. When she showed up two hours late, all the kids were crying and the oldest yelled that CPS would probably come and get them. That mother looked her daughter right in the eye and said: "Who cares?!" I was devastated myself! And those, of course, were the kids who REALLY needed the classes. And bless your heart, too, Rich and Famous! I gave one of my daughter's friends a ride home a few days ago and she told me he wasn't allowed to eat at home. His father is on cruise (we are a military town) and his step-mother refuses to feed him. He survives by going to the Help House for food! You are right to take in this child and, like you, I will do whatever I can for ANY child that passes my way in need. So sad to think our world is being filled with little Sarah's.

GatorMom

04-19-2005, 07:06 AM

This case is so tragic, so heartbreaking.

I admire all of you who take in foster children or your own neglected and abused grandchildren.

In 2000, I called DCF about the 3 year old who lived across from me who was being starved, he weighed about 18lbs and was so hungry I caught him eating the cat food I put outside for my cats. I fed him every chance I got, I had to be sneaky about it because his mother would come and scream at me in Spanish when she caught me. We called her Fat Jackie, her fingernails were always manicured and she was dressed to the teeth but her 3 year old weighed 18lbs. I know this because I weighed him. Other neighbors were feeding him, too, because we were all worried about him. Several of us called DCF repeatedly.

When I moved away in 2001, he was still with his mother, still being starved and DCF was "looking into it". Instead of looking into it, they should have thrown her fat ass in jail and fed that little boy.

Jeb Bush and the Florida Legislature had time to worry about Terri Schiavo. They must have time to do something about the sex offenders and the neglected children in this state. Something has to be done.

I'm starting in my own town. There is an election coming up this year. I'm sick and tired of my mayor spending all of his time on development and growth and none of his time on the heroin, gang and sex offender problems in this town. It's time for a change.

We can all make a difference.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 08:13 AM

Mom should have been more attentive and vigilant about her daughter but her Dad had a responsiblity as well.
One of the crimes on Dad's rap sheet is bigamy ... I don't think we're dealing with the most devoted husband & father type there. Possibly the best thing the mom ever did for those kids was to break up with that clown.

richandfamous

04-19-2005, 08:19 AM

Gatormom, txsvicki and Sheromom, God Bless All of you!

Sheromom, I am in the process of getting my grandson to...there are "other ways to skin a cat" if you know what I mean. Al Capone was finally sent to prison for tax evasion! They couldn't get him on murder so they got him off the street anyway they could. It might take some leg work but if your grandson's abusers are doing bad things to him, you can bet they have other indicretions...like drugs, welfare fraud, driving on a suspended license, no registration/tags, Probation violation, warrants,etc. I've used them all on my son-in-law drug dealer.
I know what you mean about the CPS. We don't even have CPS in our town. We have to call an 800 number and wait for a very long time. And nothing ever happens! I tried it! Nothing! Our gov has cut back on all our agencies so I have resorted to other legal methods!
Don't give up on your grandson...you are the only voice he has!

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 08:21 AM

Is anyone "in tune" with a trend happening, here??....

I have read more in the news of late "less" fortunate girls falling prey to the horrible monsters their mothers seem to have wlcomed and embraced with open arms?
I disagree with this. Yes, Sarah's mom dated Onstott. However, we have no idea if she knew that he was a registered sex offender or why they broke up, (several articles I've read sound as if Onstott broke up with Kelly but I don't know for sure). We also don't know yet how often he was around the house. I can't make a judgement as to how responsible it was or wasn't to have Onstott around her children. His one ex-girlfriend doesn't believe he killed Sarah even after he admitted it. So he might be really good at hiding his true self.

Was Sarah's mom negligent? Well, for leaving her kids home alone so much without teaching them how to be responsible for each other, (at the very least), yes. Did she willingly put them in harm's way by knowingly dating a registered sex offender? None of us really know.

richandfamous

04-19-2005, 08:28 AM

I disagree with this. Yes, Sarah's mom dated Onstott. However, we have no idea if she knew that he was a registered sex offender or why they broke up, (several articles I've read sound as if Onstott broke up with Kelly but I don't know for sure). We also don't know yet how often he was around the house. I can't make a judgement as to how responsible it was or wasn't to have Onstott around her children. His one ex-girlfriend doesn't believe he killed Sarah even after he admitted it. So he might be really good at hiding his true self.

Was Sarah's mom negligent? Well, for leaving her kids home alone so much without teaching them how to be responsible for each other, (at the very least), yes. Did she willingly put them in harm's way by knowingly dating a registered sex offender? None of us really know.

Mornin' JerseyGirl, as I said yesterday, Andrew Lunde said in the video interview that he knew Onstott had some bad things in his past..or something like that. I'm paraphrasing...I'll go back and listen to it again. But if he knew, I am pretty sure Kelly knew. She also has a record of drugs, bad checks etc...so she would think nothing of her boyfriends having troubles with the law.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 08:31 AM

God bless you Sheromom, txsvicki, and richandfamous, (and all of you that are in similar situations). These children need someone to love them & take care of them ... you guys are their angels. Your stories have touched my heart.

Sheromom, I'm so frightened for your grandchild. Please contact an attorney to really outline what your options are. Keep their phones ringing off the hook until they take you seriously. Make that your quest until no stone is left unturned. I'm sure you've done that already but I can't believe that there is nothing that can be done for that child! You are all in my prayers ... including that poor young boy that isn't allowed to eat at home. How horribly sad. I can't even find words for it. :(

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 08:45 AM

Mornin' JerseyGirl, as I said yesterday, Andrew Lunde said in the video interview that he knew Onstott had some bad things in his past..or something like that. I'm paraphrasing...I'll go back and listen to it again. But if he knew, I am pretty sure Kelly knew. She also has a record of drugs, bad checks etc...so she would think nothing of her boyfriends having troubles with the law.
Good morning, r & f. I see where you're coming from. I agree that the mom is severely lacking from what we've heard. I just hate the idea of that boy thinking that this is his fault. If he had been home, there's a great likelihood that Sarah would be alive today. But it is true that teenage boys are very self-absorbed, and I think that they should be. At that stage of life, it is healthy to be that way in terms of development of self, etc. They shouldn't be completely selfish but they should focus on caring for their needs, (especially when no one else is). And at 17, we're invincible. We don't believe that anything bad is going to happen to us - it happens to everyone else. Andrew Lunde found out the extremely hard way that that isn't true. His life will never be the same. He's going to have a horrible road ahead of him in terms of the realizations of what's happened. I pray that he will be okay. He was just a child, doing what any child his age does by staying out all night while mom's away. His sister was killed as a result of being left alone, and I'm sure it's crossed his mind that he might have been able to prevent it. But he wasn't there, and he couldn't have known that it was going to happen. He was just being a kid, something he'll probably never be able to be again in light of what's happened.

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 10:34 AM

But it is true that teenage boys are very self-absorbed, and I think that they should be. At that stage of life, it is healthy to be that way in terms of development of self, etc. They shouldn't be completely selfish but they should focus on caring for their needs, (especially when no one else is). Hi JerseyGirl... :blowkiss:

and....I disagree with you on these points....

Although, I understand where you are coming from....there is some contradiction here..:waitasec: . Please don't get me wrong....I don't blame Sarah's brother but as parents if we don't teach our children from little on how to be compassionate/responsible towards others...where, oh where, will they learn this attribute...??

Do these boys (sorry didn't raise boys - have 2 daughters:) ) outgrow their selfishness...he is 17...soon to be an adult...could conceivably move out of the house, get married and have a family of his own soon....now that is disturbing...IMO

P.S. God bless the posters trying to intervene on their loved one's behalf...must be hard...my heart breaks for you.....

packerdog

04-19-2005, 11:31 AM

Maybe we will hear something today on the autopsy, I thought I heard that they will know by tuesday what the cause of death is. He probably said that he had her in a choke hold because they will see marks or something on the neck.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 11:39 AM

Although, I understand where you are coming from....there is some contradiction here..:waitasec: . Please don't get me wrong....I don't blame Sarah's brother but as parents if we don't teach our children from little on how to be compassionate/responsible towards others...where, oh where, will they learn this attribute...??
I know exactly what you mean. I am simply having a hard time expressing what I mean. It makes a slight difference if he's recently 17 or almost 18. But what I mean is that at that age, they should be thinking about what they want to do with their lives, if they are going to college, what college they are going to, and so on. And at the same time, they ARE reaching the end of their childhood so they should be enjoying every last second of it before they meet their adulthood & real life.

But you're absolutely right ... we most certainly should be teaching our children about responsibility and compassion. But I know in my case, (16 year-old daughter), she is very compassionate towards people that don't live in her house! We are the annoying people that she's stuck with until she's old enough to move out! I think that that's fairly normal. If I were to ask her to stay & mind her siblings, she'd probably be very resentful and treat them badly as a result even though she would NEVER do that to someone else or their children.

I'm still not explaining it well but I hope you understand what I mean.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 11:47 AM

WESH.com - News - Parents Demand Change After Girls' Murders (http://www.wesh.com/news/4391202/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news)

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Monday that the state needs to do a better job...

"It's heartbreaking that a precious child would die at the hands of a sick murderer," Bush said...

Funding for better communication between governmental agencies, there's more that we can do," Bush said...

"We need to build, sadly, bigger prisons. (We need) more prison beds so that we can put people away for a longer period of time..."

State lawmakers are also working to toughen the laws that punish sex offenders. On Monday, the House Justice Council discussed the Jessica Lunsford Act.

Legislators are also considering mandatory life sentences for sex offenders and requiring them to wear GPS tracking devices.

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 12:07 PM

On Tuesday, he plans to ask his fellow commissioners to allow warning signs to be posted in neighborhoods, so residents know sex offenders are there.

http://www.wesh.com/news/4391202/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news

Can you imagine if this was allowed in every neighborhood....you wouldn't be able to see the forest for the trees...there would be so many signs cluttering up the areas...This reminds me of "The Scarlet Letter"....are we reverting back to medieval times??....sometimes I wonder :doh:

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 12:12 PM

This reminds me of "The Scarlet Letter"....are we reverting back to medieval times??....sometimes I wonder :doh:
I'd be okay with it in the case of sex offenders, though. Nothing else seems to be working.

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 12:24 PM

I'd be okay with it in the case of sex offenders, though. Nothing else seems to be working.I agree but the suggestion that we build more and bigger prisons doesn't seem to be the answer either....in the article it suggests that after one offense the person can rehabilitate if they so desire...I thought it was determined that there is no rehabilitation for these guys....who has the exact science on this...nobody knows...IMO...

I am praying (I'm Catholic - watchin' for that white smoke...lol) that we as a society can get back to some morality issues here...no more sex, sex, sex, from media, (sell sex) from advertising etc. We as "good people" need to assume these responsibilites and all that that entails, including providing unconditional love, and teaching our children right from wrong....

packerdog

04-19-2005, 12:26 PM

I would never rent to sex offenders, I don't blame people being angry with this landlord. You can bet that the Van Dams would not have gone to Westerfields house to sell GS cookies if they had known he was a pedophile. I think signs are a good thing.

Timex

04-19-2005, 12:30 PM

personally Im all for the isolated community for these folks. Put them all on an island somewhere, where they can be studied. They could farm and ranch to support the community in which they live. Would be cheaper than prison, yet would also keep them away from society. They could also be used to produce goods for a reduced price, which could then be used by the rest of society. Im thinking of something like a printing press, where textbooks could be printed, saving our schools thousands of dollars, as we all know how expensive text books are.

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 12:39 PM

Yeah, kind of like put all the axe murderers on an island with a crate full of axes and see what happens...lol

That would be an interesting study....:p

Timex

04-19-2005, 12:41 PM

well, one of the problems I see is, we dont know who these people are until they have hurt a child. Its a bit late then. By studying them, my hope would be we would eventually be able to identify them BEFORE they hurt a child, which would hopefully, someday, lead to a way of "curing" these folks so we wouldnt have such fear in our lives. Of course, the penal colony would NOT be an option for anyone that killed a child. Those folks deserve nothing less than death IMO.

MistyGirl

04-19-2005, 01:00 PM

Part of the whole problem with this case is exactly what someone said in their post in this sentence "....I don't blame Sarah's brother but as parents if we don't teach our children from little on how to be" (I didn't quote the whole thing....my point is the PARENTS

This Mother (sorry but I use this term lightly) leaves to go out of town and ASSUMES her daughter is on an all weekend retreat etc with the church. Ok 1st there are few things that as a RESPONSIBLE parent should do: (Yes I would)

1. Check make sure there is really a church activity that your child is attending, do not just take your child word for it.
2. Confirm when it leaves, when it returns, do they need money, what shoud she pack or bring with?
3. When they return will she be dropped off or will she need to be picked up?

Poor Sarah was neglected and she was only a 12 year old girl can we really expect this 17 year old to know how to handle these types of situations? Remember he was rtaised by the same mother eas Sarah who she failed to protect. I am sure he had to fend for himself as Sarah has etc. Children are a product of their parents they only know what they are taught etc and if these people are going to have children and not take care of them in responsible nature they should not be reproducing in the 1st place. (Back to my same saying....you need a license to fish, drive a car but anyone can just start breeding............THERE are RESPONSIBILITIES THAT COME WITH BEING A PARENT)

The perpertrator is the persons who killed sweet Sarah but her mother also failed hugely in protecting her.

I have a 13 year old daughter and she doesn't go anywhere with out me making sure where she is going when she comign back etc....never would I ever leave her alone over night NEVER. Further more what the hell kind of mother comes home Sunday and AFTER her son tells here Sarah was home and then she was gone I don't know where she is. For her own mother to ASSUME she was at a friends house and not follow up is NEGLET how hard is it to pick up a phone and call and say is Sarah there??????????????????? Then to wait all they way until early afternoon on Monday to check at school if she showed up and then reports her missing is NEGLECT.

This poor child never had a chance, this just break my heart. I pray for her and for her mother as I am sure she will live with this for the rest of her life.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 01:35 PM

I'm Catholic - watchin' for that white smoke...lol
Ask and ye shall receive, huh? :)

I really wish I had a solid position on this stuff. I used to have it all figured out, and then I grew up - lol! Now I'm all wishy-washy. I used to be compassionate, and so I got myself a psychology degree. Now I feel like these criminals should be tossed away. I don't even feel like giving them therapy. And trust me, I know how horrible that sounds; I struggle with it every time I think about it. And I'm not sure why I feel that way other than being sick & tired of watching good & innocent people suffer.

I think a penal colony is a great idea. And cheaper textbooks would be a God-send! :) If only there was some way to do it without getting the ACLU up in arms. :rolleyes: I agree with the person that said that if you strip someone else of their civil liberties, then you've lost your right to yours as well. It's time for people to stop worrying about the people that have done wrong until we can guarantee safer communities for those that haven't.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 01:45 PM

Newsday.com: Sheriff Thought Slain Girl Hadn't Run Away (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-girl-slain,0,4622511.story?coll=ny-leadnationalnews-headlines)

... Onstott was not under the supervision of the Florida Department of Corrections and (prosecutor) Ober said it doesn't appear that "the system failed."

If the system didn't fail then Onstott is proof positive that these guys should never be released from prison.

MistyGirl

04-19-2005, 01:51 PM

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 01:55 PM

Gainesville.com | The Gainesville Sun | Gainesville, Fla. (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050419/LOCAL/204190336/1078/news)

... Now with the Lunde case in the headlines, Florida lawmakers are ready to act.

... lawmakers are ready to support the legislation even if it carries a hefty price tag in terms of more expensive monitoring, more probation officers and more prison beds.

"I just haven't found an expert yet who can put a cost on the life of a young person," Dean said...

Under the House and Senate bills that will be considered this week, the new provisions include:

* Mandating lifetime imprisonment or lifetime monitoring for felons convicted of sexually assaulting children under the age of 12.

* Requiring the electronic monitoring of felons leaving prison who have been convicted of sexually assaulting a child. Sex offenders who are not on monitoring now but who violate their probation can be placed on monitoring.

* Expanding the time a sexual predator can petition to have the designation removed from 20 years to 30 years.

* Making it a felony for someone to harbor a sexual predator or offender.

* Increasing the penalty for sexual offenders who fail to register and requiring twice-a-year "in person" check-ins at the local sheriff's office for predators and offenders...

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 01:59 PM

I hear you JG...and a new Pope it is...and he is "old fashioned"......yeah!!!!

It is hard not to close our hearts and minds to what is really going on in the world today- It is much simpler to get up every morning, go to work, work 8 hours, come home and plop down on the couch - turn on the T.V. and escape the reality of our lives by tuning into someone elses.

Problem is: that is the problem...we are too complacent...not many want to take a stand and challenge the norm or majority....as we get older the "fight" we used to have when we were younger somehow is harder to access...it is just easier to give in to the pressures from whoever/whatever....thus we do become wishy, washy in our beliefs...sometimes the problems are way too big to solve...so we say to ourselves...why even bother??

We need to change this....but where do we start...GOD only knows.....:innocent:

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 02:18 PM

Problem is: that is the problem...we are too complacent...not many want to take a stand and challenge the norm or majority....as we get older the "fight" we used to have when we were younger somehow is harder to access...it is just easier to give in to the pressures from whoever/whatever....thus we do become wishy, washy in our beliefs...sometimes the problems are way too big to solve...so we say to ourselves...why even bother??
I see what you're saying, for sure, but I don't mean that I'm complacent. In fact, quite the opposite is true. But as I get older, the answers just don't seem as clear. Things aren't as cut and dried.

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 02:23 PM

I see what you're saying, for sure, but I don't mean that I'm complacent. In fact, quite the opposite is true. But as I get older, the answers just don't seem as clear. Things aren't as cut and dried.
No, never meant that you are...complacent...just speaking in general terms...you are WAY more outspoken on issues that concern you than I am and I admire that ....:)....Keep going strong, I have faith....

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 02:29 PM

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 02:32 PM

Tampabay: Murder suspect has violent past (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/19/Tampabay/Murder_suspect_has_vi.shtml)

David Onstott ... has a lengthy history (including) an alleged sexual attraction to a former wife's teenage daughter...

--He once beat a man with a baseball bat; later, he was accused of attacking another man with a machete.

--He allegedly stalked a former girlfriend in 1995, scaring her so badly that she moved to a different city and got an unlisted phone number.

--He spent six years in prison after raping a woman that same year.

--He physically abused one of his wives and allegedly wrote love letters to her teenage daughter.

--He drank heavily and used cocaine...

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 02:41 PM

Records show he has fathered at least three children by different women and has defaulted on thousands of dollars in child support payments for each one.

Man this guy is one scary dude....likes older women too by the sound of it....

So sad, three children who will one day have to admit, my dad is a KILLER.....

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 02:44 PM

Tampabay: Murder suspect has violent past (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/19/Tampabay/Murder_suspect_has_vi.shtml)

Only weeks ago, a former girlfriend was granted an injunction against Onstott, forbidding him to come near her for a year...

Hartman told a judge that Onstott abused alcohol and drugs and that his violent past worried her. "I am a single mother with a 9-year-old girl and I want to have a safe life for us," Hartman wrote.

"David is violent and seriously unstable and honestly I am scared to death of him."

(So at least one mom recognized that he was dangerous. But she did say that it took her a while to see past his smooth exterior.

I wonder if he only dates women with children ... ?)

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 02:57 PM

Law Enforcement Faces Tough Task Of Issuing Alerts - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBGFBUMP7E.html)

When children disappear, when should the public be alerted? ...

The bodies of Lunde and Lunsford were found by law enforcement investigations, not through public alerts.

But can any civilian notification system ever be expected to save children in similar situations? Police and missing children experts cite numerous success stories...

kk's mom

04-19-2005, 03:05 PM

Wow, this guy gives me the creeps, big time. You know, I've only been divorced now for a little over a year and really don't have the desire yet to get out into the dating scene again. I'm not one of those women (and I have a few friends like this) that need a man in their lives all the time. I'm quite content being a single-mom, working hard, and spending whatever free time I do have (when not working) with my daughter.

Reading about this guy, though, whoa, seriously scares me about even entering the dating scene again, when I am ready for that. Seriously, I think I would have to run a thorough background investigation on anyone I wanted to get to know. Know what I mean? And to top that off, I wouldn't even introduce my daughter to anyone I was dating until at least 6+ months into the relationship.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 03:06 PM

Slaying Suspect's Story Is Doubted - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBVWSELP7E.html)

When David Lee Onstott ... decided to confess to detectives this weekend, he didn't ask for his lawyer.

He asked for his mother...

While Onstott confessed to the killing, there is more to the story he isn't telling, Gee said Monday...

"I have my doubts that that is the entire story,'' Gee said Monday.

"Him saying he went in there and had an argument ... that's his version and I seriously doubt that's the whole story.'' Gee wouldn't elaborate about his doubts on the record...

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 03:10 PM

Onstott Has A Troubled Past Dealing With Women - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBQNRDLP7E.html)

... Shortly after midnight on May 29 that year, Onstott came to the apartment of an adult female friend. She later accused him of throwing her on the floor and forcing sex. She said he slapped and choked her and she suffered bruises, had a patch of hair ripped from her scalp and was bitten on her hip...

Last month, Onstott began to show up at the store where his ex-girlfriend works, at one point coming in drunk and buying a ``sexual enhancement product,'' the restraining order petition said. Days later, he tried to return the product saying, ``It just doesn't work anymore.''

Then, she got a call from Onstott's estranged wife who warned her that he might harm her. ``She told me he never got over me and he would get me back,'' the restraining order petition said...

ETA: Last week, after sheriff's officials questioned Onstott about Sarah's disappearance, he got into a fight with a friend and allegedly pulled a screwdriver.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 03:14 PM

Reading about this guy, though, whoa, seriously scares me about even entering the dating scene again, when I am ready for that. Seriously, I think I would have to run a thorough background investigation on anyone I wanted to get to know. Know what I mean? And to top that off, I wouldn't even introduce my daughter to anyone I was dating until at least 6+ months into the relationship.
I was thinking the exact same thing a few days ago. I'm married in a 'sometimes good -sometimes not so good' relationship but I find myself very happy lately just knowing that I don't have to worry about leaving our children with my spouse. The not so good stuff doesn't seem so bad anymore. At least I know that my babies are safe.

I think your ideas of a background check & not introducing your child early on to anyone you're dating is a very, very good idea. But most importantly, as you know, listen when she speaks. Give her the freedom to dislike him, and question her reasons if it would ever come up. Children are often better judges of character than we are.

kk's mom

04-19-2005, 03:37 PM

packerdog

04-19-2005, 03:39 PM

JerseyGirl, Thanks for the links, you are really on the ball! This guy is even worse than I thought.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 03:42 PM

JerseyGirl, Thanks for the links, you are really on the ball! This guy is even worse than I thought.You're welcome, packerdog.

I agree ... I thought he had one sexual assault behind him, (which is bad enough). Turns out he has this long history of very frightening behavior. I'm thinking that this list will be all that prosecutors need to seek the DP. Thank God this psychopath is finally off the streets. I only wish that Sarah didn't have to suffer before it happened.

packerdog

04-19-2005, 03:45 PM

Yes JG, thank God he is finally locked up. I didn't realize that he lived so close to Sarah when he was married. He probably was stalking her and knew she was alone.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 03:56 PM

Yes JG, thank God he is finally locked up. I didn't realize that he lived so close to Sarah when he was married. He probably was stalking her and knew she was alone.
You might be right; I hadn't even thought of that.

It seems to be fact that the kids didn't like him. I wonder if Sarah gave him a hard time or was obnoxious towards him when the mother was dating him. In his sick mind, he could have been waiting for an opportunity to lash out at Sarah for not liking him. He obviously doesn't take rejection well.

Well, whatever his reasons, he's one sick b*stard. I find myself hoping he gets the DP more than I've ever hoped it for anyone.

MistyGirl

04-19-2005, 04:15 PM

Maybe he showed up looking for mom and Sarah opened the door thinking it was her brother who had left earlier etc....next thing you know he is asking for her mom and she says she not hear and he gets up set and says where is she I want to talk to her and Sarah says she is gone wont be home until tomorrow and tells him he needs to leave and then the next thing you knwo he gets upset because this girl is telling him what to do then he attacks her.

So sad.......there is no doubt in my mind that he sexually assulated her.

MistyGirl

04-19-2005, 04:21 PM

I just read this article here at this link http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/04/19/national/a053451D90.DTL

"Onstott had been convicted of a rape in 1995 and completed both his 5 1/2-year prison sentence and two years of community control. He was arrested in March for failing to register as a sex offender, and released on a $1,000 bond a day later."

HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN LET OUT IN THE 1ST PLACE AND THEN HE FAILS TO REGISTER AND IS RELEASED ON $1,000.......was this just in March of 2005???????

This part REALLY REALLY REALLY makes me ANGRY and SAD. This poor child did not have had to die this way. The system failed her.

richandfamous

04-19-2005, 05:13 PM

joanofarc

04-19-2005, 05:20 PM

and he only had to come up with $100.00 of that to get out!
Hi R & F....can you elaborate please...only 10%...I don't understand:waitasec:

mysteriew

04-19-2005, 07:41 PM

David Onstott, charged with the murder of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde, has a lengthy history of violence against women, broken marriages, failure to pay child support and, in one case, an alleged sexual attraction to a former wife's teenage daughter.

Public records in Florida and Michigan dating back to 1986, along with interviews with people involved, reveal a man troubled since his teenage days:

Now the 36-year-old Ruskin man faces his most serious charge: first-degree murder. Investigators say Onstott, who had dated Lunde's mother, Kelly May, confessed to choking Lunde to death and dumping her body in an abandoned fish pond near her home.

Officials have not said whether he sexually abused the girl. But they have hinted that Onstott likely will face the death penalty.

Even so, his arrest Sunday marks the latest in a string of criminal behavior that began during his days in Michigan and followed him to Florida.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/19/Tampabay/Murder_suspect_has_vi.shtml

fran

04-19-2005, 11:19 PM

Hi R & F....can you elaborate please...only 10%...I don't understand:waitasec:

When you get bail through a bail bondsman, you only need to come up with 10% of the bail amount. You do need collateral for the balance, which he could have used his car. The bail bondsman puts up the entire $1,000. After all is said and done and IF the def goes through the system as he's supposed to and the bondsman gets his $1,000 back from the court, the def does not get his 10%, or in this case $100, as that's the 'fee' he has to pay to the bondsman. (the 10% is the bondsman's profit)

JMHO
fran

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 11:20 PM

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13396)

... Grief counselors were at the school Monday to help the students cope with the tragedy. Some students also made cards for Sarah's family, other's made necklaces with Sarah's picture attached to them...

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 11:25 PM

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13411)

... deputies ... noted there were 28 sex offenders in Ruskin.

Seven of these offenders, including David Onstott, were arrested in the last three years for failing to perform what would seem a simple task....they failed to register their addresses with the state...

The seven offenders in Ruskin who failed to register were treated differently...

John Fitzgibbons (defense attorney):
"The main goal behind this was to be able to keep track of these people ... And to some extent that clearly is not working at the present time."

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 11:31 PM

CBS News | Florida Holds Child-Murder Suspect | April 18, 2005 21:00:07 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/18/national/main688744_page2.shtml)

But there's no easy solution to the abundance of state-registered sex offenders. Moreover, state legislation would be required before offenders could be monitored more closely.

"There's way too many sex offenders to realistically expect us to monitor them all carefully and closely," (University of Louisville criminologist Richard) Tewksberry told Acosta.

fran

04-19-2005, 11:39 PM

[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/18/national/main688744_page2.shtml"][color=#800080]CBS News | "There's way too many sex offenders to realistically expect us to monitor them all carefully and closely," (University of Louisville criminologist Richard) Tewksberry told Acosta.

Easy for lawmakers to say it would require too much $$ because they and their families are locked behind guarded gates. These predators are in our neighborhoods. IMO, if there's an instance the voters would vote to increase taxes, this is one, ........to protect our children from these predators.

JMHO
fran

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-19-2005, 11:49 PM

IMO, if there's an instance the voters would vote to increase taxes, this is one, ........to protect our children from these predators.
You're absolutely right. And I don't recall the government on ANY level being shy about asking for increased taxes when there's something that they find important.

Sheromom

04-20-2005, 02:04 PM

And does anyone besides me feel sickened when these people are considered a low risk to reoffend because the "ONLY" children they have molested have been in their own family?!

kk's mom

04-20-2005, 02:28 PM

And does anyone besides me feel sickened when these people are considered a low risk to reoffend because the "ONLY" children they have molested have been in their own family?!

Oh absolutely. Anyone who harms a child is a piece of garbage. I was just reading about what the guy who murdered the 8 year old in So. Dakota did to her. I almost died. I've been crying @ my desk. It's on the Located Support Thread. I just can't fathom what these children have gone through. I just can't fathome. I absolutely don't think I can handle one more child being murdered. I don't think I can take it. And as far as what you are saying, who's the person who even determine who is or is not low risk? There shouldn't even be a category of "low risk to reoffend". Once you harm a child, that's it. Done deal. You're toast.

I get so tired of hearing about how many rights these offenders have. They never thought twice about their victim's rights.

packerdog

04-20-2005, 02:32 PM

Take David Westerfield for example, he didn't just start and end with molesting and killing Danielle ,he put his fingers in his little nieces mouth many years before. I think they start with a little touch here and there and gradually get to the point where they molest and kill. Monsters

Sheromom

04-20-2005, 03:04 PM

Are other states different? In Washington, they are considered a "low" risk to reoffend as long as they only ruined their own child's life. IMO, that is the WORST imaginable thing that could happen.

joanofarc

04-20-2005, 03:05 PM

When you get bail through a bail bondsman, you only need to come up with 10% of the bail amount. You do need collateral for the balance, which he could have used his car. The bail bondsman puts up the entire $1,000. After all is said and done and IF the def goes through the system as he's supposed to and the bondsman gets his $1,000 back from the court, the def does not get his 10%, or in this case $100, as that's the 'fee' he has to pay to the bondsman. (the 10% is the bondsman's profit)

JMHO
fran
Thanks Fran :)

I really think I live under a rock sometimes....I did not know this...but IMO this seems wrong....I guess there are people everywhere who will try to monopolize a situation and "make money" by whatever means available. Having said that are these bail bondsman part (employed) by the court system?

I have never known anyone who has been in trouble and I don't personally have any experience with how "bail" procedures work ...plus I am Canadian...so I don't know if it works like this in Canada....probably....I think I need to check...lol

kk's mom

04-20-2005, 03:52 PM

Interesting article on abcnews.com. I mean, we've read it elsewhere but at least it's being looked at nationally......

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=680670&page=1

richandfamous

04-20-2005, 05:22 PM

Interesting article on abcnews.com. I mean, we've read it elsewhere but at least it's being looked at nationally......

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=680670&page=1

I see in that article that Sheriff Gee is comfirming Kelly May Lunde's knowledge of Onstott's past.

"So she knew he had a criminal history, she knew it was involving what he had described to her as date rape, and beyond that, I don't think she had a lot of information," Sheriff David Gee said, referring to Lunde."

Miss Daisey

04-20-2005, 05:56 PM

I see in that article that Sheriff Gee is comfirming Kelly May Lunde's knowledge of Onstott's past.

"So she knew he had a criminal history, she knew it was involving what he had described to her as date rape, and beyond that, I don't think she had a lot of information," Sheriff David Gee said, referring to Lunde."
Well, how much more information did she need?:doh:

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-20-2005, 06:12 PM

There shouldn't even be a category of "low risk to reoffend".
I take "low risk to reoffend" to mean the statuatory rapists, those that commit crimes against adults, etc. If we lump them all into the same category, the price tag might be so high that nothing will be done.

If we decide to put a GPS device on a 19 year-old for having sex with his 16 year-old girlfriend, and he lives to the average age of 70-ish, then we've spent money to monitor this guy, (who's probably harmless), for over 50 years. I don't know what that 50 years would cost but I definitely think it would be better spent on a child molester.

I might be reading it wrong but I don't think that they're referring to different categories of child molesters.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-20-2005, 06:14 PM

Are other states different? In Washington, they are considered a "low" risk to reoffend as long as they only ruined their own child's life. IMO, that is the WORST imaginable thing that could happen.
I agree. These people are probably the lowest of the low to betray the trust of the very child(ren) that needed to depend on them. But at the same time, many studies seem to indicate that these perps are not dangerous to society at large. That doesn't make their crimes any less horrible ... they should also be locked up for life. But that is why the distinction exists.

Sheromom

04-21-2005, 02:49 AM

In my town, nine of these "low risk" men live in the same small trailer park. Unfortunately, it is a very run down area and where most of the people in it are on welfare. It is also filled with children. Makes me sick every time I drive by it.

Nchadwickaz

04-21-2005, 07:48 AM

I suppose ashley poston thinks Sarah brought it on herself!

I also suppose the next thing we hear from her is..."But I love him!"
omg if I hear that one more time, I will scream!
I am way behind -- but I totally agree w/ your statement. This "denial" ridden excuse is so pathetic. She should feel LUCKY that nothing happen to her own child, THAT SHE LEFT with a sex offender. AGAIN, what kind of mother does this!!!!!

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-21-2005, 07:54 AM

I am way behind -- but I totally agree w/ your statement. This "denial" ridden excuse is so pathetic. She should feel LUCKY that nothing happen to her own child, THAT SHE LEFT with a sex offender. AGAIN, what kind of mother does this!!!!!
And apparently it's not that uncommon:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=680670&page=1

And Onley said he gets a surprising amount of questions from women who know that their boyfriend is a sex offender, and are looking for information about how to make life easier for him and even let him spend time with their children.

"Some things don't make sense," he said. "Just because someone knows, doesn't mean they would take appropriate action."

Nchadwickaz

04-21-2005, 08:02 AM

Yahoo! News - Parental supervision key to safety (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20050419/ts_usatoday/parentalsupervisionkeytosafety)

Parents are more important than the registries, says Nancy McBride, national safety director of the non-profit National Center for Missing & Exploited Children...

McBride and other experts on crimes against children say attackers are far more likely to be known by their victims than they are to be strangers.

"That's why, for instance, when I talk to single mothers I say, 'You've got to check out that boyfriend,' " McBride said. "You need to make sure you know his motivation..."

And some offenders, McBride says, will choose victims from families where they know the parents aren't paying attention to their children's whereabouts and aren't likely to have checked the registries.

"They'll go for the opportunities that allow them to do what they want to do," she said, "and they're going to stay away from situations where they're probably going to get caught."
I am a single-mother of 4 girls -- ages 13, 5, twins 4. I would not think twice about making sure someone that I allowed in my girls life without checking not only legal avenues but also word of mouth. I would not hesitate to cease contact with ANY person that even may have a questionable past (especially w/ the way plea bargains are these days). I know that the piece of crap that actually did this to this poor child is to blame but the mother is also to blame -- she allowed this person near her daughter and when her main responsibility was to protect her, she was no where to be seen.

All I can say is that if any person takes my any of my daughters innocents/life/hurts in this way, they better hope that the law (that they have NO regard for) finds them before I do.....

Nchadwickaz

04-21-2005, 08:14 AM

And apparently it's not that uncommon:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=680670&page=1

And Onley said he gets a surprising amount of questions from women who know that their boyfriend is a sex offender, and are looking for information about how to make life easier for him and even let him spend time with their children.

"Some things don't make sense," he said. "Just because someone knows, doesn't mean they would take appropriate action."
Unfortunaltly, I know that this kind filth flows from the mouths of some... it is the same sick minds that say "I know he hits me, but it is because he loves me" or "it was consensual" when referring to a 14 year old having sex with a 24 year old.

I seriously, can't believe that the human mind is able to jusify this kind of crap.

Sorry, had to vent..... it just gets to me, the stupidity of some (especially some of thoses who are supposed to be protecting others -- like their children).

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-21-2005, 11:51 AM

I seriously, can't believe that the human mind is able to jusify this kind of crap.
We've all known desperate women ... the kind that feel worthless without a man. I don't know what makes people so needy that they would put their children at risk to cling to men like these offenders. But you are absolutely right ... the human mind is capable of justifying just about anything.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-21-2005, 12:05 PM

Deputies Pay Visits To Sex Offenders - from TBO.com (http://westchase.tbo.com/westchase/MGB34TQ4S7E.html)

Pressed into action by the rape-homicide of a Citrus County girl nearly two months ago and amid the frenzied search for a missing 13- year-old in Ruskin, Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies mounted a door-to-door check of registered sex offenders in the northwestern part of the county last week...

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-21-2005, 12:09 PM

Tiny Church Opened Doors To All - from TBO.com (http://southshore.tbo.com/southshore/MGB6XTT4S7E.html)

... Aaron Cook was one of the last people to see Sarah alive. He drove the church bus to Apopka for a youth conference, and when it was over, he dropped Sarah off at her home Saturday night. She asked him to pick her up for church the next morning.

When he got to her home Sunday, she wasn't there.

``That was when we first became worried,'' Aaron Cook said. ``It wasn't like Sarah to ask someone to pick her up and then not be there.''

He was one of three members of his search team who found Sarah's body. And he was there when searchers pulled her from the pond. ``I was glad I was there when they found her,'' he said. ``I was glad someone who knew her and loved her was there...''

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-21-2005, 12:11 PM

WESH.com - News - Funeral Planned Saturday For Slain Ruskin Girl (http://www.wesh.com/news/4400860/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news)

A funeral is set Saturday, (April 23, 2005), for a 13-year-old Ruskin girl allegedly killed by a sex offender.

The service is scheduled at the First Apostolic Church. It is a place Sarah Lunde considered a safe haven from a troubled life. Burial will follow at Ruskin Memorial Park...

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-21-2005, 01:19 PM

Former victim of David Onstott: "He's completely sick" (http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2005/04/050420onstott.shtml)

David Onstott ... remains behind bars -- which is of great comfort to a woman he attacked 10 years ago...

"He's sick. He's completely sick," she stated. "I knew he did it. The minute I heard about it and knew that he was part of it, I knew he did it. My gut told me he did it. I mean, I know him. He was my brother's best friend."

"Through it all, when he was done, he wrapped his arm around my head and was choking me, brought me into his side, wrapped his arm around me like this, and was proceeding to choke me," she explained.

He reportedly admitted the same move to using on 13-year-old Sarah Lunde, whose body was found in Ruskin over the weekend after a week-long search...

Sheromom

04-21-2005, 02:48 PM

I wonder if the family will attend the funeral? :rolleyes:

peggy

04-21-2005, 02:53 PM

We've all known desperate women ... the kind that feel worthless without a man. I don't know what makes people so needy that they would put their children at risk to cling to men like these offenders. But you are absolutely right ... the human mind is capable of justifying just about anything.

Yes, I've also wondered that also, needy women who put their lives at risk as well as their children. Don't have a solution to that problem, but suppose it comes from making women developing self esteem and confidence in their value and worth. What kind of program is required to make that happen, don't know.

Nchadwickaz

04-21-2005, 07:25 PM

Here is a link to find out case information - pretty interesting -- they seem to list everything domestic(family), civil, criminal. I searched both onstott and Lunde, mom, etc... pretty interesting....
http://publicrecord.hillsclerk.com/

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-22-2005, 09:23 AM

Tampabay: Grief unites two halves of Sarah's short life (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/22/Tampabay/Grief_unites_two_halv.shtml)

... The funeral offers a second chance for Sarah's family and church to come together.

Her family went to the church last Sunday for a memorial service. They didn't go into the sanctuary for the regular morning service, but waited in a nearby room for someone to call them in for a memorial, scheduled at the close. No one ever did.

The pastor said he didn't know they were waiting, and ended the memorial without the family's participation...

Lewers Funeral Home in Ruskin has donated their services, including the casket. The Ruskin cemetery, Ruskin Memorial Park, donated the burial plot...

Aaron Cook ... said. "I know a lot of people are trying to spin her mom as being a different kind of person. Her mom loved her..."

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-22-2005, 09:34 AM

Hernando Today - Online Edition (http://www.hernandotoday.com/MGB54NMLT7E.html)

The names of 11 absconders from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's list of sexual offenders were placed on the local sheriff's Web site Thursday in an effort to alert the public and find the felons...

Just hours after the names were posted locally, two of the 11 had been arrested, authorities said...

The two arrested Thursday were nabbed in New York and Massachusetts...

Nchadwickaz

04-22-2005, 09:39 AM

It still absolutely floors me that we have Martha Stewart up there in her house with a damn ankle bracelet on......and all these freakin' sexual predators running around and we have no idea where they are or where they will be next. Now tell me exactly how it is that Martha Stewart is liable to cause any further problems, but a sex offender who is supposed to be "registered" can be anywhere. I think we have some priorities mixed up here!!!!! :bang:
Mesa, Arizona offers (for a fee) its residents a Neighborhood Crime Review – which I think is such an informative publication that other communities, should look into creating/maintaining. Also not sure if any local people out there that may not know that this exists.

It is published monthly and is endorsed by the Mesa Police Assoc. and the Mesa Fraternal Order of Police. The founder of the Crime Review has been a local Police Officer for seven years and saw a need for neighborhoods to receive current information regarding crime. All the information obtained from a variety of sources such as Community Relations and the Public Information Office of the Mesa Police Department and the Registered Sex Offender information form the Department of Public Safety.

It includes, mapped out not only by zip code but buy Beats, like in my neighborhood – there are 30+ beats – So broken out by beat there are any exceptional items -- Usually 1-3 major crimes committed and a detailed write up by the police department (murder, armed robbery, etc.) Then crimes committed in your area (from DUI – Drugs, etc.) – The incident, the block it occurred on, and the date of the incident are listed.

Now, the most important part of this publication is the Sex Offender Section, Listed by Beat – (so if you do a search of my zip code there are 73 sex offenders – but in my beat/and surrounding there is 1) – but listed is their photograph, address, last verified, Race, Age, Sex, Height, Weight, Hair, Eyes, Level (2 intermediate or 3 high), Offenses, Convicting County.

With not all people having access to the internet, and not always (never in the 3 years I have lived here) been handed any notices, like Maricopa is supposed to do – I cannot tell you how informative this information is.

It is over 30 pages, and the cost is 35.00 year – I am sorry that this is all thrown together but with all the focus on Jessica Lundsford and Sarah Lunde – I wanted to get this information out – hopefully someone locally can benefit from the information – I was made aware just a couple of months ago.

LazyCat08

04-22-2005, 11:08 AM

richandfamous

04-23-2005, 12:05 AM

Mother of murdered 13-year-old Sarah Lunde arrested for DUI
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13449

http://www.tampabays10.com/assetpool/images/0542114514_may.jpg

The mother of murdered 13-year-old Sarah Lunde is facing legal trouble today. Hillsborough County deputies say Kelly May was arrested last night in Hillsborough County.

She is accused of driving under the influence after her vehicle was spotted weaving by a deputy. May has been released on 5-hundred dollars bond.

May’s ex-boyfriend David Onstott, a convicted sex offender, is charged with killing her daughter.

Sheromom

04-23-2005, 01:15 AM

I really wish they would do something for those boys left to raise themselves.

richandfamous

04-23-2005, 03:27 AM

I wish I could feel sympathy for her but all I can see is the devastation caused by her poor choices. And it continues.

This time she is Kelly O May as oposed to Kelley D Lunde. She has used many different alias and birthdates. Criminals use this tactic to confuse any criminal background search. I also see by the arrest report that she refused a BAC (blood alcohol content).

kk's mom

04-23-2005, 09:44 AM

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-23-2005, 10:10 AM

GOOD TO HEAR THAT AT LEAST SOMETHING PREVENTATIVE IS BEING DONE!!!
I just hope it continues. Somehow, I see this as being an immediate reaction but one that might slow down or stop completely as time passes.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-23-2005, 10:13 AM

She's arrested the night before her daughter's funeral? That's just great. How old are the boys at home?Her boys are 16, 17, and 20. She also has a 22 year-old daughter that no longer lives at home.

Honestly, I don't hold it against her that she was arrested for a DUI the night before the funeral. I'm not saying it's okay to drink & drive - not by any means. But I can understand that in our grief, we don't always make the best choices, and drowning ourselves in alcohol is one of the more common of those choices.

By the way, was it Friday night or Thursday night? I don't see a date on the article.

kk's mom

04-23-2005, 11:03 AM

Her boys are 16, 17, and 20. She also has a 22 year-old daughter that no longer lives at home.

Honestly, I don't hold it against her that she was arrested for a DUI the night before the funeral. I'm not saying it's okay to drink & drive - not by any means. But I can understand that in our grief, we don't always make the best choices, and drowning ourselves in alcohol is one of the more common of those choices.

By the way, was it Friday night or Thursday night? I don't see a date on the article.

I'm sure she's going through all types of emotions right now. Out drinking and driving? Not a good choice. And it doesn't matter when she was arrested really, it should never have happened. It's against the law. I'm assuming the 16 and 17 year old were at home by themselves going through their own emotions with their sister's tragic death while their mom's out boozing it up? I'm sorry, she gets no sympathy from me on this one. She needs to straighten herself up and quick and be there for her other children before something tragic happens to them as well.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-23-2005, 12:17 PM

She needs to straighten herself up and quick and be there for her other children before something tragic happens to them as well.
I can totally understand your anger. But in her defense, the remaining children are a bit older and are male. That makes them a bit safer from outside dangers anyway. She SHOULD be there for her other kids but we all have guilt when something bad happens. Even when a parent dies, we think, "I wish I would have spent more time with her; I wish I had told her that I love her more", etc. Add to that the feelings of guilt that Sarah's mom probably feels, and I can understand why it may be impossible for her to be there for anybody right now.

Like I said, I know where you're coming from but I just don't know how this mom is living through her grief & guilt, let alone being a support for those around her.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-23-2005, 01:24 PM

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-23-2005, 01:48 PM

Lunde's Mother Charged With DUI | theledger.com (http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050423/NEWS/504230359/1004/RSS&source=RSS)

Kelly May, the mother of 13-year-old murder victim Sarah Lunde, was charged with driving under the influence late Wednesday after she left an Apollo Beach bar...

kk's mom

04-23-2005, 07:01 PM

I can totally understand your anger. But in her defense, the remaining children are a bit older and are male. That makes them a bit safer from outside dangers anyway. She SHOULD be there for her other kids but we all have guilt when something bad happens. Even when a parent dies, we think, "I wish I would have spent more time with her; I wish I had told her that I love her more", etc. Add to that the feelings of guilt that Sarah's mom probably feels, and I can understand why it may be impossible for her to be there for anybody right now.

Like I said, I know where you're coming from but I just don't know how this mom is living through her grief & guilt, let alone being a support for those around her.

I can appreciate what you are saying JG....but to an extent. Her daughter's body was found last Saturday and what, 4 days later she's out drinking in a bar? Sorry, something's seriously wrong with this woman. And as far as feelings of guilt go, she better have them. She let that child down, big time. She needs to stop thinking of herself for once and be a mom to those two boys that are at home. This is the time where she can turn herself around. Going out drinking and getting arrested with a DUI ain't the way to do it.

You think people thought bad of her last week? I think this is just the icing on the cake for this woman.

Only4Justice

04-23-2005, 07:23 PM

I was thinking the exact same thing a few days ago. I'm married in a 'sometimes good -sometimes not so good' relationship but I find myself very happy lately just knowing that I don't have to worry about leaving our children with my spouse. The not so good stuff doesn't seem so bad anymore. At least I know that my babies are safe.

I think your ideas of a background check & not introducing your child early on to anyone you're dating is a very, very good idea. But most importantly, as you know, listen when she speaks. Give her the freedom to dislike him, and question her reasons if it would ever come up. Children are often better judges of character than we are.

JerseyGirl, love your posts.....

All marriages are "'sometimes good -sometimes not so good' relationship'"...there is no perfect relationship. I also am married to the father of my children and don't have to worry about leaving them with him......it's a godsend....

I am also a child-abuse survivor, and let me tell you, if my single mother had listened to me when I told her I was being sexually abused, I would have had alot easier time growing up.....She never listened......and I do believe kids don't lie USUALLY when it comes to these things....it's too painful to talk about and tell someone when it is true, it's a nightmare. :mad:

I do believe Sarah was a neglected child and there are many many more children out there like her....

concernedperson

04-23-2005, 07:32 PM

JerseyGirl, love your posts.....

All marriages are "'sometimes good -sometimes not so good' relationship'"...there is no perfect relationship. I also am married to the father of my children and don't have to worry about leaving them with him......it's a godsend....

I am also a child-abuse survivor, and let me tell you, if my single mother had listened to me when I told her I was being sexually abused, I would have had alot easier time growing up.....She never listened......and I do believe kids don't lie USUALLY when it comes to these things....it's too painful to talk about and tell someone when it is true, it's a nightmare. :mad:

I do believe Sarah was a neglected child and there are many many more children out there like her....

Bless you sweetheart. So many like you but you are in a loving group. Never think that we don't know your pain...we will always be here for you.

Schmerty_Jones

04-23-2005, 08:58 PM

Neighbors Confront Suspected Prowler - from TBO.com (http://westchase.tbo.com/westchase/MGBZ8GYXV7E.html)

Around 9 p.m. Monday, a prowler was seen peering into the bedroom of an 18-year-old woman. A man walking his dog chased the intruder into the woods, authorities said. The second night, about the same time, the same man was confronted by residents. He told them he was not prowling, but praying, authorities said. Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies arrived and arrested the man...

__________________________________________________ ________________

Praying? At someone's bedroom window? :waitasec:

In any case, it's good to see people looking out for each other. I think that that's what we need to do, and hopefully it will continue.

This is a GOOD story,Jerseygirl. This is what we need to do for one another. The moms who are neglectful need our prayers & our expression of disapproval with offers for help. We have to be concerned about our children..everybody's children...I am not sure that the agencies that pay childcare or welfare to mothers are concerned enough about their child's well being. :o

Only4Justice

04-23-2005, 09:30 PM

Bless you sweetheart. So many like you but you are in a loving group. Never think that we don't know your pain...we will always be here for you.

That means so very much to me...It's not something I think about on even a daily basis anymore....the pain is still there with my mother, I am now 40 years old and decided recently that it is as forgiven as possible, never to be forgotten. I do now believe that my mother will never forgive herself, and I don't want that, either. I know she loves me in her own way and she is the one who has to live with the pain she caused me, and which I let her know when I was grown how I felt about her actions (or non-actions).

I often wonder when reading the posts on Websleuths, if we all share some kind of empathy with the victims especially understood by those who have been abused in their lifes, in one form or another.

I think this is the reason I can't let go of Laci and especially am tormented by the loss of these little girls.

I had a nightmare the night Sarah was found. It was so scary, I was hiding from her killer and he found me and I woke up. I had to wake up my husband to bring me back to reality :o I have a great husband who protects me (Sometimes too much so!!!) :blowkiss:

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-24-2005, 09:58 AM

That means so very much to me...It's not something I think about on even a daily basis anymore....the pain is still there with my mother, I am now 40 years old and decided recently that it is as forgiven as possible, never to be forgotten. I do now believe that my mother will never forgive herself, and I don't want that, either. I know she loves me in her own way and she is the one who has to live with the pain she caused me, and which I let her know when I was grown how I felt about her actions (or non-actions).

I often wonder when reading the posts on Websleuths, if we all share some kind of empathy with the victims especially understood by those who have been abused in their lifes, in one form or another.
Justice, I am so sorry for what you've been through. When you start to see how many people have been affected by this, it's mind-boggling. I can't even begin to comprehend why this happens. It is so good to hear that you've been able to move on, and have your own family. It's amazing to hear the level of forgiveness you have and your worry for your mom's pain even though she didn't do what you needed her to. You are a very strong person, and your personal insight will be very helpful to a lot of the cases that we discuss here. I want to reiterate what cp said ... we are all here, and we feel for what you've been through.

I agree that many of us here are drawn here by our own experiences. I lived a very traumatic childhood but fortunately, sexual abuse was never a part of it. There is an empathy that develops ... about that, I believe you are 100% right. If our experiences can help to shed light on some of the nuances of these discussions, then maybe the pain & abuse we've experienced will not have been for nothing. Thank you so much for sharing information about your experiences with us. It's not easy to do but with the anonymity here, it's often very therapeutic - people finally get to speak up about what they've been through without divulging their identity. I hope that you will continue to join us in our discussions on the boards. :)

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-24-2005, 10:01 AM

I can appreciate what you are saying JG....but to an extent. Her daughter's body was found last Saturday and what, 4 days later she's out drinking in a bar? Sorry, something's seriously wrong with this woman. And as far as feelings of guilt go, she better have them. She let that child down, big time. She needs to stop thinking of herself for once and be a mom to those two boys that are at home. This is the time where she can turn herself around. Going out drinking and getting arrested with a DUI ain't the way to do it.

You think people thought bad of her last week? I think this is just the icing on the cake for this woman.
If I had lost my daughter, especially in such a brutal way, I would have hit the bottle a lot sooner than 4 days into it. In fact, by the time 4 days had passed, I might have committed suicide. The pain would be too great to bear. I can handle anything but the loss of one of my children ... I think that's the one thing that would push me over the edge.

BTW, I think there are three boys at home ... 16, 17, and 20.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-24-2005, 10:03 AM

nanandjim

04-24-2005, 10:12 AM

...I often wonder when reading the posts on Websleuths, if we all share some kind of empathy with the victims especially understood by those who have been abused in their lifes, in one form or another...
I think that this is an accurate observation.

I also find it sad for the mother and remaining children that she feels the need to go out and drink among strangers instead of being with and comforting her family.

She is a very troubled woman who apparently has no idea the lasting emotional scars that she continues to inflict on her surviving children.

lady-eowyn

04-24-2005, 10:13 AM

I was just thinking of this last night ... as of yet, we have heard nothing about a sexual assault on Sarah. Even last night on the news, they were still stating the story about Onstott getting into a confrontation with her. Is it possible that the story is just as he says it is, and that there was no sexual assault?
Jersey....I've been wondering that too...but the fact that she was found partially clothed keeps me leaning toward the theory that she was sexually assaulted. I have no reason to believe what that creep says. I guess we will have to wait until the full autopsy report comes out.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-24-2005, 10:42 AM

Jersey....I've been wondering that too...but the fact that she was found partially clothed keeps me leaning toward the theory that she was sexually assaulted. I have no reason to believe what that creep says. I guess we will have to wait until the full autopsy report comes out.I was thinking that maybe he was trying to throw the suspicion off of himself by removing some of her clothing but that wouldn't make any sense once he knocked on her door for the beer bottle. But he 'disposed' of her before knocking so maybe he didn't even realize the beer bottle had been left behind until it occured to him as an after-thought. Maybe he figured that no one would ever realize it's him because he hadn't been around in months so he decided to make it look like something other than it was.

I'm having such a hard time putting this into words right now! Never mind ... I'll be back after I've had my tea!!! :crazy:

Only4Justice

04-24-2005, 01:20 PM

Justice, I am so sorry for what you've been through. When you start to see how many people have been affected by this, it's mind-boggling. I can't even begin to comprehend why this happens. It is so good to hear that you've been able to move on, and have your own family. It's amazing to hear the level of forgiveness you have and your worry for your mom's pain even though she didn't do what you needed her to.

Thank you so much for sharing information about your experiences with us. It's not easy to do but with the anonymity here, it's often very therapeutic - people finally get to speak up about what they've been through without divulging their identity. I hope that you will continue to join us in our discussions on the boards. :)

First of all, I definitely believe in the power of forgiveness. You forgive for yourself, to move on....

I had lots of therapy, and finally quit going because my therapist said I needed to put the blame where it belonged, on my mother for not protecting me. I couldn't do it. She said I instinctively protected her and made excuses for her all my life. As I said, I am 40 now and I still do it! For whatever reason, children love their parent so unconditionally.

That's what makes it such a crime that these children are not protected. Children look to their parent(s) to protect them. I remember thinking who could I go to for help? And, never did, just lived with it. Of course, there is more talk about abuse now which is a very good thing....

I have been here for a long time, just don't post much. I was noticing that a lot of us lurkers have came out of the woodwork since SP was sentenced to death.

Only4Justice

04-24-2005, 01:24 PM

If I had lost my daughter, especially in such a brutal way, I would have hit the bottle a lot sooner than 4 days into it. In fact, by the time 4 days had passed, I might have committed suicide. The pain would be too great to bear. I can handle anything but the loss of one of my children ... I think that's the one thing that would push me over the edge.

I totally agree. Losing one of my children is my greatest fear. I don't think I could bear it. Getting drunk would be the least of my problems. I think this woman needs help and understanding, not finger-pointing and accusations. I hope the community and church rally behind her. Maybe then she would have the chance to get her life on the right track. Too bad it took losing her daughter to come to this. She has an opportunity right now to turn her life around if she has support.

Ms. Kelly Mae will have to live with this for the rest of her life.

Sheromom

04-24-2005, 02:39 PM

I think that this is an accurate observation.

I also find it sad for the mother and remaining children that she feels the need to go out and drink among strangers instead of being with and comforting her family.

She is a very troubled woman who apparently has no idea the lasting emotional scars that she continues to inflict on her surviving children.
I agree. The state needs to do step in and do something to help that entire family! The mother should be forced into some sort of therapy (at the state's expense) as a condition of keeping the boys and the boys obviously need help as well. ANY parent who loses a child needs LOTS of support!

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-24-2005, 08:51 PM

I agree. The state needs to do step in and do something to help that entire family! The mother should be forced into some sort of therapy (at the state's expense) as a condition of keeping the boys and the boys obviously need help as well. ANY parent who loses a child needs LOTS of support!
They could probably all use some therapy ... they've seen some very difficult times. But in terms of the state stepping in, her children are much too old for that now. It would be different if there was actual abuse but I don't see the state being able to rectify anything in that family at this point. The boys are virtually grown.

I have no idea what Kelly May has been through in her life. I don't know if she was a victim of abuse. I don't know if she had parents that loved her the way we love our children. I do know that she's been taking care of children for 22 years now, and for a while, she's been doing it alone. Every parent needs some time for themself. As far as I can tell, she thought that Sarah was going to be away overnight with church. Even if she knew that Sarah was going to be home, I don't know if her 22 year-old brother was supposed to be home with her; and so on. Some 13 year-olds are allowed to baby-sit. What would prevent someone like Onstott from barging into a home with a 13 year-old babysitter? Then not only is the teenager at risk, but so is the child(ren) that he or she is watching. Maybe she won't get "Mother of the Year" but by all accounts, Kelly May loved Sarah. Maybe she loved her differently than we love our children but we don't know what made Kelly the way that she is either.

nanandjim

04-25-2005, 09:41 AM

My guess is that this guy came over to the house to have a little sexual rendezvous with the mother. It has been reported that HE was the one who broke up with HER. The mother wasn't there. He got a beer out of the refrigerator, sat at the table, drinking it and made a pass at the girl, perhaps trying to pull her on his lap. She resisted and a fight ensued. She continued to struggle once he had her in the headlock. The harder she fought, the tighter he gripped, killing her.

IMO, there was a reason for the altercation in the first place. If Sarah hated him that much that she would start a fight for no reason at all, she would not have let him into the house in the first place.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-25-2005, 11:20 AM

IMO, there was a reason for the altercation in the first place. If Sarah hated him that much that she would start a fight for no reason at all, she would not have let him into the house in the first place.
He's such a low-life; if he wanted in, he'd get in, whether she allowed him to or not. I can see him being the type to push his way in the door & make himself at home.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-25-2005, 11:21 AM

CNN.com - Dragnet nabs 10,000 fugitives - Apr 14, 2005 (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/14/fugitive.arrests/index.html)

More than 10,000 fugitives from justice have been captured in a nationwide, weeklong dragnet involving federal, state and local authorities, said the U.S. Marshals Service, which led the effort...

The operation captured 10,340 people, of whom 162 were wanted for murder, 638 had outstanding arrest warrants for armed robbery and 553 were wanted for rape or sexual assault.

Also captured were 106 unregistered sex offenders and 154 gang members...

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-25-2005, 11:27 AM

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-25-2005, 11:49 AM

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13494)

The father of Jessica Lunsford and dozens of Hilsborough County Sheriff's deputies joined the mourners who came today to say goodbye to Sarah Lunde at her church...

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-25-2005, 12:08 PM

`Was Loved By So Many': From The Tampa Tribune (http://www.tampatrib.com/MGB4H8BOW7E.html)

In the packed church on Saturday, a large photo of Sarah sat atop her closed casket. Pastor Johnny Cook said Sarah drew tremendous comfort from the church.

"She knew how to cry and pray and believe in God,'' he said...

Investigators have not released whether Sarah was sexually assaulted...

kk's mom

04-25-2005, 12:11 PM

He's such a low-life; if he wanted in, he'd get in, whether she allowed him to or not. I can see him being the type to push his way in the door & make himself at home.

I see him that way too. Cocky SOB.

TisHerself

04-25-2005, 07:31 PM

They could probably all use some therapy ... they've seen some very difficult times. But in terms of the state stepping in, her children are much too old for that now. It would be different if there was actual abuse but I don't see the state being able to rectify anything in that family at this point. The boys are virtually grown.

I have no idea what Kelly May has been through in her life. I don't know if she was a victim of abuse. I don't know if she had parents that loved her the way we love our children. I do know that she's been taking care of children for 22 years now, and for a while, she's been doing it alone. Every parent needs some time for themself. As far as I can tell, she thought that Sarah was going to be away overnight with church. Even if she knew that Sarah was going to be home, I don't know if her 22 year-old brother was supposed to be home with her; and so on. Some 13 year-olds are allowed to baby-sit. What would prevent someone like Onstott from barging into a home with a 13 year-old babysitter? Then not only is the teenager at risk, but so is the child(ren) that he or she is watching. Maybe she won't get "Mother of the Year" but by all accounts, Kelly May loved Sarah. Maybe she loved her differently than we love our children but we don't know what made Kelly the way that she is either.

Great post.

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-26-2005, 04:22 PM

Thank you, TisHerself. :)

OriginalJerseyGirl

04-29-2005, 07:48 AM

WSVN-TV - Miami - News (http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/C74746/)

A Tampa judge says he will review 15-hundred pages of records developed by the state Department of Children and Families relating to a slain 13-year-old Ruskin girl.

The department has investigated murder suspect David Onstott on past abuse allegations unrelated to Sarah Lunde.

DCF also has records detailing abuse or neglect investigations involving Sarah and her mother. Some of the records cover the girl's time in foster care...

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 01:01 AM

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13848)

Julio Rodriguez and his helpers are installing new carpeting at the First Apostolic Church fellowship hall.

Hillsborough County sheriff’s deputies used the building as their command post last month during their search for Sarah Lunde. The sheriff’s office had the old rug cleaned for Sarah’s funeral, but honorary deputies decided to raise money to replace the 20-year-old carpet...

Nelson Otero, Nelson’s Flooring: “They’ve just had a lot of tragedy here, so I thought it was time to help them...”

Sheriff Gee:
“A lot of hard work went into it, and I can tell you this community came together, like I've never seen before..."

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 01:03 AM

Man Indicted in Death of Girl, 13 | theledger.com (http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050505/NEWS/505050394/1004/RSS&source=RSS)

A sex offender was indicted by a grand jury Wednesday in the slaying of a 13-year-old girl whose disappearance last month prompted a massive search effort before her body was found in an abandoned fish pond.

David Lee Onstott, 36, was charged with first-degree murder and attempted sexual battery in the death of Sarah Lunde, whose disappearance April 9 made national news as the residents of her rural Hillsborough County community mobilized to look for her...

The indictment said her death was caused by "blunt impact to the head and/or strangulation and/or other unknown means..."

Sarah's mother appeared in Tallahassee this week as Gov. Jeb Bush signed legislation to get tougher on sex offenders.

The Jessica Lunsford Act establishes a mandatory sentence of 25 years to life behind bars for people convicted of certain sex crimes against children 11 and younger, with lifetime tracking by global positioning satellite after they are freed.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 01:07 AM

Onstott Indicted In Sarah's Slaying - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBFXBOGC8E.html)

A grand jury on Wednesday indicted David Lee Onstott, determining enough evidence exists to charge him with the death and attempted sexual battery of 13-year-old Sarah Michelle Lunde.

It is the first official confirmation that Onstott, 36, might have attempted to rape Sarah...

... declined to explain what evidence led to the attempted sex crime charge...

She said prosecutors soon will announce whether they will seek the death penalty...

Onstott's case has been sent to Judge E. Lamar Battles, who was assigned to the criminal bench last month. In 2002, when Battles became a judge, he was assigned to juvenile delinquency court. He has spent the past year presiding over civil court...

Sheromom

05-06-2005, 02:22 AM

How strange; ATTEMPTED rape?! I bet she just fought him as hard as she could and he killed her for it. Makes me sick.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 02:35 AM

How strange; ATTEMPTED rape?! I bet she just fought him as hard as she could and he killed her for it. Makes me sick.There's a little more information in the last article I posted, (10th paragraph), but I wasn't sure if it might be considered too graphic to quote. Click the link in that article to check it out. It's nothing extreme; just a tiny bit more info.

mrs4point0

05-06-2005, 08:40 AM

How strange; ATTEMPTED rape?! I bet she just fought him as hard as she could and he killed her for it. Makes me sick.

At least there is some consolation (very little, I know) that she didn't suffer rape too. In order for it to be considered rape, there must be penetration -- even the slightest penetration will suffice. I can't imagine the fear this little girl felt. No matter how you look at it, though, this is heart-breaking. SOMETHING needs to be done that will really protect our children (in the way of prevention, not after the fact).......and not just a facade that something is being done. Unfortunately, we are living in a time where it is dangerous to let our children go outside and walk a block to a friend's house.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 08:52 AM

At least there is some consolation (very little, I know) that she didn't suffer rape too. In order for it to be considered rape, there must be penetration -- even the slightest penetration will suffice.
After reading posts on some other threads, I don't think that this is necessarily too graphic. If I am mistaken, please feel free to remove it mod's.

Onstott Indicted In Sarah's Slaying - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBFXBOGC8E.html)

"... It states that Onstott killed Sarah ``by blunt impact to the head and/or strangulation and/or other unknown means.'' It also says he attempted sexual battery by trying to penetrate her with his penis or fingers..."

I don't know if the scumball will ever admit what really happened that night. I'm not sure that what she suffered wasn't at least as bad as rape, even if the penetration attempt wasn't successful. :(

mrs4point0

05-06-2005, 09:01 AM

After reading posts on some other threads, I don't think that this is necessarily too graphic. If I am mistaken, please feel free to remove it mod's.

Onstott Indicted In Sarah's Slaying - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBFXBOGC8E.html)

"... It states that Onstott killed Sarah ``by blunt impact to the head and/or strangulation and/or other unknown means.'' It also says he attempted sexual battery by trying to penetrate her with his penis or fingers..."

I don't know if the scumball will ever admit what really happened that night. I'm not sure that what she suffered wasn't at least as bad as rape, even if the penetration attempt wasn't successful. :(

I agree. I was just taking some comfort in the fact that she wasn't actually raped. A 12-year-old should not be subject to that. IMO this guy needs to be subjected to the same terror he applied to others.

The issue I have with 'tougher laws' is that it only places stricter punishment on offenders.....it doesn't prevent the act from happening to begin with. My kids say I'm overprotective because I don't let them walk around the neighborhood without supervision. I feel it's up to me to make sure they are protected. If not me, who else is going to do it?

KatherineQ

05-06-2005, 09:17 AM

mrs4point0

05-06-2005, 09:25 AM

A LOT of times, as I understand it, men who attempt to rape women fail because they lose their erection. For whatever reason, at the moment they try, it fails.

I did some work with the rape crisis center, and it was an interesting education - often men who try to rape women end up being charged with lewd behavior or sexual assault because they couldn't carry it out.

(That's what seems to me to have happened to JonBenet Ramsey, also).

I've studied the same, and you are so right. Many times that's where the agression and anger come into play and the victim is killed. The frustration may be transferred onto the victim as if it is her fault. Rape is about power and control, and I find it ironic that they cannot grasp the very thing they seek. They lose control of the control (if that makes sense). Sadly, it's the victim that pays.

lady-eowyn

05-06-2005, 12:58 PM

Suspect Pleads Not Guilty in Girl's Death (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/06/AR2005050600588.html)

TAMPA, Fla. -- A sex offender charged in the slaying of a 13-year-old girl pleaded not guilty Friday, and prosecutors said they plan to seek the death penalty.

An attorney for David Lee Onstott entered the plea to charges of murder and attempted sexual battery.

Meanwhile, prosecutor Mark Ober filed court papers Friday saying he will seek the death penalty for Onstott if he is convicted of first-degree murder.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 01:14 PM

Meanwhile, prosecutor Mark Ober filed court papers Friday saying he will seek the death penalty for Onstott if he is convicted of first-degree murder.
Thank goodness! I was waiting & waiting for this decision. Sorry to say, with Onstott's history, I can't see him ever being rehabilitated. He's as dangerous as they come, IMO.

kk's mom

05-06-2005, 03:11 PM

Thank goodness! I was waiting & waiting for this decision. Sorry to say, with Onstott's history, I can't see him ever being rehabilitated. He's as dangerous as they come, IMO.

I don't understand something. Why is it that these guys )Onstott, Couey, etc. confess, tell how they killed the victim, etc. and then plead not guilty?
Do lawyers talk them into pleading not guilty after confessing?

mrs4point0

05-06-2005, 03:14 PM

I don't understand something. Why is it that these guys )Onstott, Couey, etc. confess, tell how they killed the victim, etc. and then plead not guilty?
Do lawyers talk them into pleading not guilty after confessing?

A plea of not guilty is entered because the state has the burden of proving the elements of the crime. Our Constitution has provided for this. If the state doesn't prove all the elements, the defendant walks free -- even if they are guilty.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-06-2005, 04:20 PM

Jeana mentioned something on another thread that they have to plead not guilty in a death penalty case. I don't remember the reasoning right now. I think that it's because in order to receive the DP, you must go to trial. You can't just say "I'm guilty", and have the state quietly put you to death.

Am I correct or did I miss the point?

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-07-2005, 10:14 AM

Gainesville.com | The Gainesville Sun | Gainesville, Fla. (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050507/LOCAL/50506058/1078/news)

... (Sarah's mother, Kelly) May said Friday she was pleased Ober decided to seek death for Onstott.

''I certainly hope that it goes through, and that it's not a long wait,'' she said...

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-07-2005, 10:17 AM

State Will Seek Death Penalty In Girl's Slaying - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBUSW79F8E.html)

... The announcement at Onstott's arraignment, (that the DA will seek the death penalty), prompted Judge E. Lamar Battles to have the case reassigned to another judge.

Battles said he was assigned to the criminal bench last month.

Judicial rules state that judges must sit on the felony court bench for at least six months and must complete a death penalty certification course before presiding over cases where execution is possible.

Battles has spent his three years as a judge in juvenile and civil court.

He is scheduled to take the death penalty certification course this month...

Kelly May, Sarah's mother, and Rebekah Lunde, Sarah's sister, attended Friday's arraignment. Afterward, they spoke publicly for the first time...

mysteriew

05-07-2005, 11:00 PM

DCF First Eyed Onstott In 1990, Records Show

The Department of Children & Families investigated David Lee Onstott for abuse as far back as 1990 and separately investigated Sarah Michelle Lunde's family for abuse at least twice, a court hearing Friday revealed.
Onstott is accused of killing the 13-year-old Ruskin girl. He had an on-again, off-again relationship with her mother.

Records of Sarah's time in foster care are included in 1,500 pages of documents in DCF custody, which The Tampa Tribune has filed suit to unseal

http://tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGB3YIGCF8E.html

lady-eowyn

05-11-2005, 06:07 PM

Ruskin murder suspect accused of raping wife, molesting teen

AMPA, Florida (AP) -- The suspect in the killing of a 13-year-old Ruskin girl had been accused of raping his wife and molesting the woman's 16-year-old daughter.

Thirty-six-year-old David Onstott is charged with killing Sarah Lunde at her Ruskin mobile home and hiding her body after dating the girl's mother.

He was convicted ten years ago of raping a 25-year-old Ruskin woman. He served six years of a nine-year sentence for that crime.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13973 (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13973)

mysteriew

05-15-2005, 10:00 PM

Defendant tries to dig hole in wall, jailers say
The man accused of killing Sarah Lunde apparently was trying to escape by scraping with a metal towel holder.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/15/Hillsborough/Defendant_tries_to_di.shtml

SewingDeb

05-15-2005, 10:53 PM

mysteriew

05-15-2005, 11:01 PM

I just pleases me to think that he is so unhappy in jail that he would try to dig his way through a concrete wall.

richandfamous

05-15-2005, 11:49 PM

I just pleases me to think that he is so unhappy in jail that he would try to dig his way through a concrete wall.

amen...18-inch concrete-and-steel wall. LMAO...makes my day!

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-16-2005, 08:26 AM

I just pleases me to think that he is so unhappy in jail that he would try to dig his way through a concrete wall.I hope that he continues to act up before his trial. Maybe these will be factors that are considered when deciding what sentence to give.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-16-2005, 08:29 AM

Ex-Wife Reveals Life With Onstott - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBE466BP8E.html)

... she's here to talk about David Lee Onstott, the man she married, the man she says charmed her, raped her, took her to church, then did something so awful she cries at the thought...

Then, she says, he started raping. If she tried to fight, he beat her, she says. She made up stories to cover for him. She told people at work that she tripped over the cat and slammed her eye on the doorknob.

She tried to leave. Once, she was on her knees packing Onstott's things, when he put a pistol to her head and said he was going to kill her, she recalls...

Since Sarah Lunde went missing, Wanda has been struggling with questions. Should she have killed Onstott that night? Should she have read the signs earlier and done more to protect her daughter? Should she have pressed police harder to find the man she says molested her daughter then disappeared? ...

sharon25

05-18-2005, 10:44 AM

kk's mom

05-18-2005, 10:52 AM

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/18/Hillsborough/Girl_s_life_was_full_.shtml

TAMPA - Long before she turned up murdered in an abandoned Ruskin fish pond, 13-year-old Sarah Lunde endured a childhood full of physical abuse, neglect and starvation, according to 1,300 pages of documents released Tuesday by the Florida Department of Children and Families.

:( poor poor child :(

This is unbelievably sad to learn what all else this poor child went through at the hands of her abusive parents. What a piece of work her mother is. I hope not to offend anyone when I say this, but she is white trash. People like that don't deserve to be parents.

sharon25

05-18-2005, 11:02 AM

This is unbelievably sad to learn what all else this poor child went through at the hands of her abusive parents. What a piece of work her mother is. I hope not to offend anyone when I say this, but she is white trash. People like that don't deserve to be parents.

how about we just say- she is scum- and hopefully now everyone will fully realize just how horrible of a "mother" she was.

kk's mom

05-18-2005, 11:09 AM

how about we just say- she is scum- and hopefully now everyone will fully realize just how horrible of a "mother" she was.

Agreed.......I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt at first when this all happened with Sarah. My feelings for her started to change when she had been arrested for the DUI after a night out of drinking two days before her daughter's funeral. I was told that this is how this woman grieved. Grieving my ass. This is a mother who never ever cared about her children, ever. All she ever cared about was herself.
It makes me f...ing furious. This is someone who I would actually like to see locked up and held partly responsible for her daughter's murder. :banghead:

PrayersForMaura

05-18-2005, 11:50 AM

how about we just say- she is scum- and hopefully now everyone will fully realize just how horrible of a "mother" she was.
she doesn't even deserve the honor of being called "mother". Mother's love their children and don't do those things to them. She didn't care about anyone but herself. She is one evil being. Poor Sarah :(

Sheromom

05-18-2005, 02:39 PM

I hope she DID love Sarah and has haunting memories for the rest of her life!

CyberLaw

05-18-2005, 04:06 PM

sharon25

05-18-2005, 04:19 PM

I read the story today, that Sarah was abused, neglected, beaten from an early age.

The girl never had a chance in life, with a Mother(?) and Father(?)that abused and neglected her.

To think that her Mother had a boyfriend with a violent past, and she let this creep around her kids.....beyond my understanding.

Just like parents that "beat" their children and then call it disicpline.

Too many parents put their own needs before their children. They should not be parents........ever
I've found that you have Two kinds of parents in this world,

There's the kind that once they learn that they are pregnant- their world shifts from them being the center of it, to their child being the center of it.

Then there's the kind where it stays the same. and the child is never the center of it.

Know what I mean???

lady-eowyn

05-18-2005, 04:26 PM

Some people just shouldn't procreated....

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-18-2005, 06:06 PM

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/18/Hillsborough/Girl_s_life_was_full_.shtml
This is atrocious:

In October 1999, a judge ordered Sarah, then 8 years old, removed from her mother's care and placed in a foster home. Listed in DCF records as the cause for the placement: "inadequate supervision, inadequate food, physical abuse and family violence."

This poor girl never knew the happiness and innocence of youth. Such a sad, short existence. :(

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-18-2005, 06:09 PM

Agreed.......I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt at first when this all happened with Sarah. My feelings for her started to change when she had been arrested for the DUI after a night out of drinking two days before her daughter's funeral. I was told that this is how this woman grieved.
I was still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt at that point, saying that it might be the only way that she could cope with the loss & the guilt. But this new information shows that I was incorrect. She did not care for her daughter the way that a child needs to be cared for. For the suffering that filled this child's life, I now also despise her mother.

concernedperson

05-18-2005, 06:31 PM

I was still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt at that point, saying that it might be the only way that she could cope with the loss & the guilt. But this new information shows that I was incorrect. She did not care for her daughter the way that a child needs to be cared for. For the suffering that filled this child's life, I now also despise her mother.

The beatings are paramount as well as withholding food. This is breaking someone's will. Especially a child......when a child is so dependent on a parent. People can shout alcoholism to the rooftops but this is another personality disorder. It is plaguing our society...it is not only poor nor is it rich specifically...it is entitlement/boundaries that have to be addressed. Face it...we have evil people in our midst. And they use the rest of us.

And JerseyGirl, you know I am not directing anything to you just that I liked your post best to respond to. (Oops, there I go ending my sentence w/ a preposition again)! Lisafremont will be on me soon....LOL :)

mysteriew

05-18-2005, 06:31 PM

she doesn't even deserve the honor of being called "mother". Mother's love their children and don't do those things to them. She didn't care about anyone but herself. She is one evil being. Poor Sarah :(

alleged mother (she hasn't proven to me that she is a mother- she sure hasn't acted like one)

Marthatex

05-18-2005, 10:09 PM

I've found that you have Two kinds of parents in this world,

There's the kind that once they learn that they are pregnant- their world shifts from them being the center of it, to their child being the center of it.

Then there's the kind where it stays the same. and the child is never the center of it.

Know what I mean???

You're right on the mark. If only children could choose their parents.

ShowerSinger

05-18-2005, 10:42 PM

This truly breaks my heart.
My family are all going to say a "special" prayer for all of the children of the world...red and yellow, black & white....

CyberLaw

05-18-2005, 11:54 PM

When a person has a substance abuse problems, it takes priority over their child or children.

But I don't care, all I know is: Sarah never had a chance in life. Never.......

Nchadwickaz

05-19-2005, 02:36 AM

:furious: Well, the recent news on this has seriously disturbed me all day -- I intentionally did not post on here until I calmed down.... I do commend you all on your restraint in your comments regarding her mother.... I am so sadden by children who suffer the consequences of their selfish, uncaring parents. At the same time, outraged by the continual examples of Kelly Mae -- I did on my own site, post my thoughts and advice to Kelly Mae and the sadness regarding Sarah Lunde -- so for those of you interest, I will post the link...

.... Like I said I am not trying to offend anyone on the forum -- but just a warning on my site I don't worry about the "offending" -- this stuff needs to be said, are children are dying and it has to stop! :razz:

Anyway -- going to try to go to sleep and hopefully tomorrow -- the Idaho kids will be found safe.

Much Respect,
Nikki
http://spaces.msn.com/members/nikkiandaaron/ (http://spaces.msn.com/members/nikkiandaaron/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c01_blogpart=blogmgmt&_c=blogpart) - Unpolitically Correct Site

Schmerty_Jones

05-19-2005, 02:48 AM

The beatings are paramount as well as withholding food. This is breaking someone's will. Especially a child......when a child is so dependent on a parent. People can shout alcoholism to the rooftops but this is another personality disorder. It is plaguing our society...it is not only poor nor is it rich specifically...it is entitlement/boundaries that have to be addressed. Face it...we have evil people in our midst. And they use the rest of us.

And JerseyGirl, you know I am not directing anything to you just that I liked your post best to respond to. (Oops, there I go ending my sentence w/ a preposition again)! Lisafremont will be on me soon....LOL :)

I feel a lot worse about This case!! Sarah was not loved or treasured by anyone but her church groups. I cannot understand not loving absolutely these perfect little angels that God blesses us with. The Lunsford girl was loved by many of her family. This poor little Lunde girl was never appreciated. I wish I could do more. I LOVE my family soooooo much. I have more to spare. Maybe God will guide me to do more than pray,but my prayers are very sincere! :blowkiss:

kato

05-19-2005, 08:56 AM

This is absolutely disgusting!!!

kk's mom

05-19-2005, 10:01 AM

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-19-2005, 11:38 AM

I despise her too JG. I did not mean anything towards you. I knew that something else would come out about this Mom after things quieted down and low and behold here it is. I had a feeling you would change you mind when that happened. I feel absolutely horrible just knowng the life that Sarah was forced to live, all thanks to her mother.No offense taken, kk's mom or cp, (in response to your above post). I just didn't want to crucify her during her grief. I figured that the entire story would come out sooner or later. That's why I continue to do web searches for Sarah's story at least once a week. I would have continued to stand behind her mom if this wasn't the reality. But with this as the reality, there's no way to defend her. Sarah was 12 when she died, (if reports are correct). Addiction, poverty, depression - whatever problems Kelly May had, she had 12 years to find some help for herself and for her family, (even longer if we consider the ages of her older children). I can sympathize with personal problems but only for so long. At some point, people need to reach out & find help. And I can't even be sure that she even had any outside problems. Maybe her problem was simply that she was more interested in her own life than that of her children. I don't know.

Schmerty, you mentioned the church group - I hope with all of my heart and soul that Sarah did, indeed, find peace, happiness, and a sense of belonging with the church. In her short, tragic life, I would like to think that she found that before she died. She deserved that and so much more.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-20-2005, 02:00 AM

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=14172)

Behind the First Apostolic Church in Ruskin, church members are expanding Sarah’s garden, a tribute to a girl who made herself an important part of this congregation...

But as much as Sarah was around this church, she said nothing, about troubles at home...

Sherry Cook:
"Strangely enough, Sarah kept that part of her life completely separate from us..."

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-20-2005, 02:05 AM

Lunde Case Eluded DCF Foresight - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBLN8BGW8E.html)

The records released Tuesday described May's husband spanking the children to the point of bruising and, eventually, beating May in front of them...

Sarah, then 8 years old, described for investigators how the boyfriend made her stand against a wall while he struck her 11 times with a leather belt. Investigators saw the welts.

The minor children were removed; Sarah was placed in foster care.

When May complied with DCF directives, the children were returned in June 2000. DCF continued supervision until March 2001. No further abuse was reported.

May, contacted at the Ruskin plant nursery where she works, declined to comment for this story.

``You guys got your story. That's what you wanted,'' she said. ``I have nothing else to say.''

Citing privacy concerns about the Lunde family, Ritter said DCF was against the release of the agency's investigation records. Hopefully, he said, people can benefit from some of the information.

``If there is anything to learn from this,'' he said, ``it's that parents who are dating must be very careful and check to see who they are letting into their lives and into their children's lives.''

Sheromom

05-20-2005, 02:23 AM

I didn't think this case could possibly get any sadder, but hearing that Sarah had NO ONE, not even her church that she chose to confide in, breaks my heart. Poor little girl.

sharon25

05-20-2005, 02:31 AM

I didn't think this case could possibly get any sadder, but hearing that Sarah had NO ONE, not even her church that she chose to confide in, breaks my heart. Poor little girl.
maybe she wanted them to think that she had a good life?
poor little girl.

:(

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-20-2005, 02:40 AM

maybe she wanted them to think that she had a good life?
poor little girl.

:(Here's the next line from that article:

Sarah chose to keep her church life, all positive.

Maybe she just had it so bad at home at times that she just wanted a place where she could be happy, and forget her problems, at least temporarily. I think that the church gave her that. I sure hope it did anyway.

Sheromom

05-20-2005, 03:43 AM

Here's the next line from that article:

Sarah chose to keep her church life, all positive.

Maybe she just had it so bad at home at times that she just wanted a place where she could be happy, and forget her problems, at least temporarily. I think that the church gave her that. I sure hope it did anyway.
Thank you, Jersey Girl! I found myself getting outright depressed but now I think you are most likely right.

OriginalJerseyGirl

05-20-2005, 08:24 AM

Thank you, Jersey Girl! I found myself getting outright depressed but now I think you are most likely right.
You're certainly welcome. I didn't want to post too much of the article but now I think that maybe I should have included that last line in the first place. I'm glad to help you feel at least a little better about her situation at church.

richandfamous

05-20-2005, 08:28 AM

I said it before and I'll say it again..........any *itch can have a litter, it takes an effort to be a Mother. She is dispicable but typical these days. We have a whole generation of accidental parents who have no morals, no boundaries, no goals, no pride. I believe this is the direct result of drug abuse.

My heart is heavy and I am worried for my grandchildren and the world they will have to live in.

lady-eowyn

06-04-2005, 10:16 AM

Judge Won't Gag Participants In Onstott Case

TAMPA - A sweeping gag order that would have stopped authorities from talking to the media about defendant David Lee Onstott was rejected Friday by a Hillsborough County judge. Onstott's attorney, Deborah Goins, had asked for the gag order and a judicial review of the discovery evidence to determine whether it should be released to the media.

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBI0Z0AJ9E.html

I don't want to be harsh...I know this mother has lost her daughter, but reading this particular bit in the story made me think "a little bit too late to be there for her isn't it?"

Kelly May, Sarah's mother, said she plans to attend all of Onstott's court hearings. She sat through Friday's hearing with supporters wearing white T-shirts with Sarah's picture on them.

``Sarah can't fight for herself anymore,'' May said

GinaAngel435

06-04-2005, 11:27 AM

Sarah chose to keep her church life, all positive.

Maybe she just had it so bad at home at times that she just wanted a place where she could be happy, and forget her problems, at least temporarily. I think that the church gave her that. I sure hope it did anyway.
I was thinking the same thing. Sarah used her Church life as a form of escape... "reality" for this poor child was at home, where she was abused, neglected, and felt unloved. (You just want to cry!)

When she she was with her family at church, there with God, she was able to be herself, a child. She learned what love, acceptance and family truly was. I'm so happy she had at least that. She deserved so much more.

I'm borrowing a quote I read on here from another poster I really liked. I think it's very fitting. :)

Sleep with the Angels, Sarah.

mysteriew

06-06-2005, 09:59 AM

Hillsborough County authorities will be allowed to talk to news media about the man accused of killing a Ruskin girl in April, a county judge ruled in rejecting a defense request for a sweeping gag order.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050605/NEWS/506050475/1004

OriginalJerseyGirl

08-21-2005, 12:05 PM

AP Wire | 08/18/2005 | Hillsborough County will post sexual predators' photos in parks (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/12414296.htm)

... County commissioners voted unanimously Wednesday to post the pictures and other identifying information, and said they would consider extending the policy to libraries and other buildings where children and teenagers congregate.

Sheriff David Gee said the photos will deter predators from lurking in areas that draw children.

Only the photos of those classified as sexual predators will be posted.

Posting the photographs of all 1,400 sex offenders registered in the county "could become unmanageable," Gee said.

A sex offender was charged with killing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde in Hillsborough County in April...

OriginalJerseyGirl

08-21-2005, 12:08 PM

AP Wire | 08/17/2005 | After complaints, Orlando probation office near school is moved (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/12405531.htm)

The Department of Corrections has decided to reassign sex offenders who report to a probation office near an elementary school after receiving complaints from parents...

Bobbisangel

08-23-2005, 12:28 AM

Bradenton Herald | 04/24/2005 | 'She's in the hands of God' (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/11474689.htm)

In the church where 13-year-old Sarah Lunde found comfort and family, those who knew her best gathered Saturday to celebrate her life and share in her family's pain...

Since his daughter's death, (Mark) Lunsford has dedicated most of his time to supporting efforts to strengthen regulations on sex offenders, but Saturday the soft-spoken man was there to support Sarah's family. Many hugged him and offered their condolences, but he was quick to remind them that the day belonged to Sarah, whose picture was on his T-shirt...

"You don't turn loose a pit bull that's bitten or killed a child, but you turn out a person who would?" (Isn't that the God's honest truth????)

Bless Mark's heart. He didn't go to the service to condem Sarah's mother..he went to comfort her. I doubt that Mark even knew that much about Sarah's mother or that it would have made a difference. He just knew that she was a mother who had lost her child in the same way that he had lost Jesse.

If anyone would know how it felt to be condemed Mark would. Lots of fingers pointed at him and his parents while Jesse was missing. I remember reading something about Mark stopping at a bar one day or evening and having a beer. He sat by himself. People jumped right on that. Condeming him for stopping at a bar and having a beer after his daughter had been murdered.

It is hard to understand how people can be so self righteous...judgemental... when something so horrible happens in a person's life. I hope Sarah's mother doesn't ever find this web site. We don't know her or anything about her. But we do know that this mother will live with guilt for the rest of her life and I think that is punishment enough without her being torn to shreds by people who don't even know her.

OriginalJerseyGirl

08-25-2005, 10:06 AM

It is hard to understand how people can be so self righteous...judgemental... when something so horrible happens in a person's life. I hope Sarah's mother doesn't ever find this web site. We don't know her or anything about her. But we do know that this mother will live with guilt for the rest of her life and I think that is punishment enough without her being torn to shreds by people who don't even know her.I understand where you're coming from. And I try my best not to condemn people - Lord knows I'm nowhere near perfect. Yet it's hard to continue to give someone the benefit of the doubt when you read stuff like this:

Hillsborough: Girl's life was full of abuse, fear (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/18/Hillsborough/Girl_s_life_was_full_.shtml)

Long before she turned up murdered in an abandoned Ruskin fish pond, 13-year-old Sarah Lunde endured a childhood full of physical abuse, neglect and starvation, according to 1,300 pages of documents released Tuesday by the Florida Department of Children and Families.

In October 1999, a judge ordered Sarah, then 8 years old, removed from her mother's care and placed in a foster home. Listed in DCF records as the cause for the placement: "inadequate supervision, inadequate food, physical abuse and family violence."

... social workers described her as walking around for days at a time without a bath and wearing soiled clothes.

Sarah and her siblings allegedly were beaten on several occasions with belts, boards and fists. Sarah also was burned in the face with a light bulb, according to reports.

While the DCF reports chronicle years of alleged physical and mental abuse on the Lunde children by their mother and father, they also provide details about the intensely violent fights between Sarah's parents, Kelly May and Richard Lunde.

"There has been ongoing domestic violence between mom and dad since the children were small," a social worker wrote in a 1995 report.

Documents say Richard Lunde beat his wife with a 2-by-4 while the children looked on. He also broke her ribs and injured her in other ways that required her to be hospitalized, the allegations said.

In October 1999, DCF reported that Sarah was forced to sleep outside by a tree. Her sister would bring her a blanket and pillow.

Sarah was once beaten 11 times with a black leather belt for not picking up the trash in the yard. DCF documented a bruise left on her buttock, red and about 2 inches in diameter. Sarah also said she didn't get enough to eat...

Does that mean that her mother deserved this? Absolutely not. But Sarah was hers to take care of, regardless of whatever troubles she herself may have had. I don't wish this on anyone, and I genuinely do hope that her family finds healing and peace. But being beaten until bruised? Being burned in the face with a lightbulb? I'm sorry but this is not normal, and mothers are supposed to shield their children from stuff like this. It would have been different if the mother took the kids out of that environment after the first time. But apparently, this was ongoing. Please read the above article. It is amazingly sad.

mysteriew

09-17-2005, 03:55 PM

Sarah Michelle Lunde was a girl desperate for acceptance from her peers, prone to angry outbursts and someone who struggled with depression and anxiety, according to documents from the investigation into the 13-year-old's slaying earlier this year.

More than 1,500 pages of documents related to the investigation, including notes written by Sarah, were released Friday. Another 300 pages of material could be released later; Onstott's public defenders want them kept private because they could jeopardize his ability to receive a fair trial.

In letters Sarah wrote to friends just days before she disappeared, she discussed the circumstances of a four-day stint on in-school suspension, and described crushes she had on movie star Vin Diesel, country singer Tim McGraw and wrestler and actor Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. She signed the notes "Baby Gurl."

"I'm just tired of everyone picking on me," one note said. "I just want to be friends with everyone and not have people mad at me."

Another note she wrote said, "I'm tired of so much drama up in my life."

Other documents revealed that Sarah's mother, Kelly May, told officials the girl suffered from a condition similar to bipolar disorder, had a "scary" temper and was referred to a psychiatrist.
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/12673309.htm

mysteriew

09-17-2005, 05:13 PM

None of the kids liked David Onstott. Not Andrew. Not Richard. And definitely not their sister Sarah Lunde. But by the time anyone realized how much that really mattered, Sarah, 13, was already dead.

Sarah's mother, Kelly May, told detectives Sarah never liked any of the men she brought home, including Onstott.

Sarah's brother, Richard Lunde, 21, said the same thing. He told detectives his sisters and brothers "did not care for Onstott and that was a group decision they had made."

That might be one reason why Sarah's other brother, Andrew Lunde, thought it was strange when Onstott showed up the night she disappeared.

Andrew, 17, the last one in Sarah's family to have reportedly see her alive, told detectives he had gone to Taco Bell to get food for his sister around midnight when she said she was hungry. Instead of heading straight home, he and a group of friends went joyriding in Apollo Beach, Brandon and Tampa.

Andrew told detectives Onstott showed up at his house between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. on April 10 and asked for his mother. He said she wasn't at home, then Onstott took one step inside the house and picked up a beer bottle and left. He said that the bottle wasn't there when he left to get food for Sarah.

"When he pulled out of my driveway, he sped off and didn't turn on the light until the middle, towards the middle of the road," Andrew Lunde told detectives, according to a transcript of his interview.

Andrew Lunde then looked at his friend who was spending the night and asked why would Onstott take the beer bottle. "And then I said, he must have been here before," Andrew Lunde told detectives. "And then I shut the porch light off and went to sleep."

The clerk at a Hess gas station not far from Sarah's home told detectives that he "believes he saw" Sarah at his store about 1 a.m. on April 10. The clerk described what Sarah was wearing, noting the green cast on her left arm. He told detectives she came in and used the bathroom, then left.

It's the same Hess gas station, the clerk said, Onstott visited at least once a week to buy Bud Light.
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/17/Hillsborough/Slain_girl__her_sibli.shtml

mysteriew

02-05-2006, 04:23 PM

Remember the semen found in Sarah's bed? It wasn't David Lee Onstott's. It belonged to her brother and an unknown female, and to a frind of her older brother. A former prosecutor says that will not make a difference in the case, because they have Onstott's confession.
http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBXHUFC9JE.html

Sarah's mother facing drug charges.
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/31/Tampabay/Slain_girl_s_mom_face.shtml

mysteriew

09-02-2007, 03:22 AM

Sarah Lunde kept a diary and in that diary she talked about someone named Chucky and listed a cell phone number for him. Police are now looking for him. (after all this time.)

Also talks about the times that Onstott confessed, but police were unable to use it because of procedural problems (didn't get his Miranda rights, he asked for an attorney and it wasn't heeded, etc.)

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/08/24/Hillsborough/Girl_s_diary_intrigue.shtml

OriginalJerseyGirl

09-03-2007, 11:36 PM

I hope that the subpoena for the person who belonged to the cell phone number is just for the sake of being able to combat a defense attorney's claim that investigators had blinders on and only looked at their client. I can't imagine what they would be doing looking for that information now - nearly 2 and a half years later.

fran

05-31-2008, 03:38 PM

Amazing how slow the wheels of justice can be. After all this time and they're just going to trial in August.

:(
fran

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GIRL_SLAIN?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

May 29, 8:54 AM EDT

Man won't face death penalty in girl's death

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Prosecutors say the man charged with killing a 13-year-old Tampa-area girl in 2005 won't face death row if he's convicted.

Hillsborough County prosecutors filed notice Friday that they won't seek the death penalty. David Lee Onstott's public defender calls the decision a good one.

Bobbisangel

06-03-2008, 02:50 AM

I wonder why they won't ask for the death penalty?

fran

06-05-2008, 11:54 AM

I wonder why they won't ask for the death penalty?

I'm not sure. Just my opinion, but I believe their case is rather weak without the confession and it's probably easier to get a guilty verdict when there's no threat of the DP. I believe he did it alright. It's just a shame the confession is being thrown out. :(

fran

Bobbisangel

06-05-2008, 08:47 PM

I'm not sure. Just my opinion, but I believe their case is rather weak without the confession and it's probably easier to get a guilty verdict when there's no threat of the DP. I believe he did it alright. It's just a shame the confession is being thrown out. :(

fran

I get really angry with LE when things like this happen. If a person asks for an attorney...let them get one. Make sure their rights are read to them right off the bat. This happens in to many cases and then the info the person shared like a confession goes down the drain and LE know it. They have to abide by the rules too or they screw everything up. I don't understand it at all.

Bobbisangel

06-05-2008, 08:50 PM

Didn't Sarah's mother wait for days before she even realized that her daughter was missing? Didn't she just assume that Sarah was staying for a few days with a friend? Was she that used to Sarah being gone for days without checking on her or Sarah checking in? Maybe she liked it that way then Sarah was out of her hair!

concernedperson

06-05-2008, 09:10 PM

Bree0372

06-05-2008, 09:20 PM

I'm not sure. Just my opinion, but I believe their case is rather weak without the confession and it's probably easier to get a guilty verdict when there's no threat of the DP. I believe he did it alright. It's just a shame the confession is being thrown out. :(

fran

I think it could be a blessing to not get the DP. If he received that then he would be isolated from the general population. Let'em know that he is a child killer and he will get his in the end - one way or another, IMO.

fran

06-06-2008, 12:21 PM

I get really angry with LE when things like this happen. If a person asks for an attorney...let them get one. Make sure their rights are read to them right off the bat. This happens in to many cases and then the info the person shared like a confession goes down the drain and LE know it. They have to abide by the rules too or they screw everything up. I don't understand it at all.

I'm not sure if I remember this correctly or not, but I THINK what happened here was the same thing that happened with Couey. Remember, they were both in the same time frame, within a month or two or each other, IIRC. To LE, time was of the essence. As it turned out, she was not alive; but LE didn't know that at the time.

That's the same reason Couey got his thrown out for Jessica Lunsford. Although the perp had asked for an attorney, they thought there was still a chance to save Jessie. :(

I love our country and I love the law, but throwing a confession out because his Constitutional Rights were violated just seems so wrong. What happened to victim's RIGHTS?

IMO, I don't give a dam* about his right to an attorney when they commit such a henious act on a child and CONFESS.:furious:

JMHO
fran

fran

06-06-2008, 12:22 PM

I think it could be a blessing to not get the DP. If he received that then he would be isolated from the general population. Let'em know that he is a child killer and he will get his in the end - one way or another, IMO.

As long as he suffers for the REST of his life, it's ok with me.:furious:

JMHO
fran

PrayersForMaura

08-13-2008, 08:08 PM

TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- A convicted sex offender on trial in the slaying of a Tampa-area teen three years ago confessed to the killing in a jailhouse conversation with his mother, prosecutors said during opening arguments Wednesday.

Prosecutors said jurors will get to hear the taped conversation in which David Lee Onstott whispers "I killed her" to his mother. Onstott, 40, is charged with attempted sexual battery and first-degree murder in the 2005 death of Sarah Lunde, 13.
Onstott's attorney said the tape is nearly inaudible, and he disputes that his client made the statement.
Prosecutor Sean Keefe said Onstott came to the house looking for Sarah's mother, whom he had dated. She wasn't there, and he ended up strangling the teen, the prosecutor said. Her body, weighted down with concrete, was found a week later in an abandoned fish pond near her home in Ruskin, south of Tampa.
With no physical or forensic evidence linking Onstott to the teen's slaying, prosecutors are left with his statements and other circumstantial evidence. One piece of evidence -- a beer bottle that prosecutors said links Onstott to the killing -- has never been found.
Keefe said that once Onstott was in custody, he made statements to various people admitting his guilt. Onstott's attorney is expected to attack those statements as vague and unreliable.

More: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/13/teen.slain.ap/index.html