FL-Missing:Sarah Lunde Florida 12 yrs old

[CinnamonGirl]

http://www.stpetetimes.com/2005/04/13/Tampabay/Deputies_search_for_m.shtml

Another child with a mother that had a boyfriend that's a sexual offender,I hope this child doesn't end up like Jetseta Gage.

[lady-eowyn]

You know I'm at the point right now that I just want to slam my head against a wall and say GET ME OUT OF FLORIDA FAST!!:(

Thanks for posting this story Cinnamon Girl...I had not read or seen anything about it, however I don't watch the local news (something about newscasters that grates on my nerve...I did watch it on Monday to see what they said about the Lunsford news conference) My husband reads the Tribune from front to back daily, guess I'm gonna have to put him on the mission to make me alert to missing/abused children cases and sex offender news.

I just cannot believe this...so many things in that story make my blood boil! From the 17 yr old brother who left when Sarah asked him to get her something to eat, and stayed out until 4am...to the mother who comes home and "assumes" her daughter is staying with a friend but doesn't check until Monday morning??!! Someone comes home, finds the door wide open, the girl missing and nobody thinks anything of it? Some people really do live different lives from most of us :confused:

I pray that she returns safely

http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/MCICSearch/Flyer.asp?ID=11645 (http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/MCICSearch/Flyer.asp?ID=11645)

[Juliana]

So the older brother last saw Sarah at 9 p.m. Saturday evening, left the house and returned at 4 a.m. Sunday morning. At that time the front door was open and Sarah was gone. But the mom didn't realize Sarah was missing until Monday morning when she wasn't at school?

I hope Sarah is ok. I wonder where the mom was all this time?

imo

[Jovin]

It doesn't mention whether anyone of the other brothers was at home though..you'd assume they were.

[WindChime]

Where a red flag has went off in my head is this child went on a church youth group for a weekend and her mother went away thinking her daughter wasnt' to be home until Sunday eve yet this child got home around 9pm Saturday I just don't believe the youth group that had plans to gone until Sunday eve would return them home a day early without notifing a family member as to why they were returning early somthing isn't right here IMHO. It sounds like this child has had a rough life.

[lady-eowyn]

I'm sure the LE has checked with the church youth group leaders to make sure the timeline for the trip. Sheriff Gee said on a news report that there are other circumstances to believe that there may have been foul play. He won't say anymore than that. I like Sheriff Gee...he handled a case for me once before he was sheriff. Very caring sort of man it seems, much like Dawsy. Out of the 25 sex offenders in the area 2 are absconded.

Some eerie parallels in this and the Lunsford case, both disappearing at night, both having returned from a church outing.

Ruskin is a more rural part of Hillsborough County...a lot of the migrant workers live down around that area (not saying they should be suspect) It is an area where people live different lives than most of us, paycheck to paycheck struggling to get by.

[KatherineQ]

There aren't enough details in that story to tell what happened. When did the mother first learn the daughter actually came home on Saturday, and why did she do that, and was there ANY food in the house or when the brother never returned, was she more or less forced to wander out to a store or something to get dinner.

And as others have said, where was the 16 year old brother?

Prayers they find her. I guess the cops know the details, the media just isn't reporting them.

[lady-eowyn]

It does state in this story (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13253) that she came home unexpectedly on Saturday night. I don't know where she was and how she came home, but I do know that if I am chaperoning our church youth group we will not just let a child leave unless a parent has given us permission or is there to pic them up. We take EVERY step available to make sure the children are safe. I'm not clear on where the mother was when she came home and why she didn't know until Monday morning.

Sheriff Gee believes this is not a runaway situation. I sure home he is wrong.

[lady-eowyn]

OK..this one clears some of the questions up:

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBRTTE3H7E.html

The mom was out of town over the weekend and didn't get home until Saturday night. Understandable...she thought Sarah was at a church trip so why would she be worried. When she returned the older brother said she came home but left again. I guess he wasn't concerned that she left AFTER midnigh t:doh:

The mother ASSUMED Sarah went to stay with a friend....*sigh*

Sarah returned to her home on 30th Street Southeast on Saturday evening from an overnight trip with her church to Apopka. She was last seen when her adult brother left to get something to eat shortly after midnight, Gee said.

Her brother came home at 4 a.m. and found the front door of the family's mobile home open and Sarah gone, Gee said.

Sarah's mother, Kelly May, was out of town over the weekend and returned Sunday night. May's son told her Sarah had been home but left again. May, 40, thought the teen was staying at a friend's home, Gee said.

On Monday morning, May began calling Sarah's friends. When she couldn't locate her, May called the middle school and discovered her daughter had not shown up for classes that morning.


Yes, in this case I think the mother should have acted sooner...not waited until 1pm the following day to make the call to the police. I guess some people really don't worry too much

[mysteriew]

A large-scale search resumes after daybreak in the Hillsborough County community of Ruskin for a missing
13-year-old girl.

Sarah Lunde has run away from home before. But she's never been gone this long.

If you have any information on the whereabouts of Sarah Lunde please contact the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office at 813-247-8200 or 911.

If you would like to volunteer and help with the search, call 813-247-0455.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13253

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

KTRE-TV - Lufkin/Nacogdoches, TX - Authorities search for another missing Florida girl (http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=3206527)

Authorities are also interviewing the girl's father, who lives about 50 miles away.


Tampabay: Deputies search for missing girl (http://www.stpetetimes.com/2005/04/13/Tampabay/Deputies_search_for_m.shtml)

Sarah's father Richard Nelson Lunde hasn't been in the picture for 10 years, said Carter. Lunde lives in Zephyrhills and works as an electrician, according to a Florida Department of Law Enforcement report. Lunde has an arrest record dating to 1979 on charges including bigamy, harassment, domestic violence and writing worthless checks.

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I hope that my bad feeling about this is wrong. I am praying that this girl will be found safely very soon.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Teams Continue Search For Missing Girl - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB8826UH7E.html)

Authorities are continuing to question a known sexual predator who was a friend of Sarah's family.

Another known sexual offender was arrested in connection with an unrelated incident in Apollo Beach Tuesday night.

Latimer said David Onstott, 36, no address given, was involved in a heated argument at a home at 768 Grand Cayman Blvd. Authorities said Onstott threatened another man with a screwdriver.

He was arrested without incident on a charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and is being held in the Orient Road Jail, officials said. Onstott is one of the 24 sexual predators registered in the area and questioned by investigators about Sarah's disappearance, officials said. He was one of two who had contact with Sarah's family in the past, authorities said.

[TisHerself]

If you were going to be gone for the weekend and your daughter was only going away over night. First wouldn't you call her to make sure she got home ok? Then wouldn't you find out where she was going to be staying? She is only 13, if she was staying home what was her brother doing out leaving her home alone untill 4AM? I just find this whole thing so strange, did the mother not leave a phone # where she could be contacted? I mean If my son where to come home the door wide open my daughter gone the first thing he would do is call me to see if she had told me where she was going. And if the Mother came home Sunday night why did she wait till Monday to call her friends? Something really hinky here. JMHO

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Sheriff's office gets help as search for missing teen expands (http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2005/04/050413missing.shtml)

Drawing lessons from the Jessica Lunsford abduction and murder, detectives immediately focused on local sex offenders as part of their investigation. Sheriff David Gee said he even got pointers from the man who led the search for the Citrus County 9-year-old.

"I actually spoke to [Citrus County] Sheriff Dawsy this afternoon about this case and compared notes a little bit about the process and got some good advice from him," Gee said late Monday. "It is eerily similar; I just hope it does not have the same conclusion."

... While all of those offenders have or will be questioned, one of them is of particular concern to investigators: David Onstott has been previously been linked to the family...

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I just find this whole thing so strange, did the mother not leave a phone # where she could be contacted? I mean If my son where to come home the door wide open my daughter gone the first thing he would do is call me to see if she had told me where she was going.That part is so disturbing. Why wasn't a call placed to the mom when she was first discovered missing? And if not then, then how is it that she came home on Sunday evening, and none of her sons mentioned that she was missing?

It sounds like these kids might have had a lot of "freedom". Apparently the 16 year-old was out when Sarah got home as was her 20 year-old brother - did they ever come home that night? The 17 year-old brother was out until 4 A.M., knowing that his 13 year-old sister was there alone when he left. And all of this while Mom was away for the weekend. It sounds like it may have been normal for them each to do their own thing, and not necessarily check in with each other. The fact that the mom didn't seem alarmed by Sarah being gone when she got back, (by what we've heard so far), and just assumed she was spending the night with a friend makes it seem likely that they lived separate lives under the same roof.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ABC News: Sex Offender Link Feared in Florida Girl's Disappearance (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=665594&page=2)

"She was found missing when her older brother came home. He had gone out for the night. He came back home, the front door was wide open; she was not around," Gee said.

The wife of Sarah's pastor, Sherry Cook, said her son went to pick Sarah up for Sunday school.

"He was told that someone had already picked her up. And he came to church and found that she had not been picked up," said Cook.

(If the brother discovered the door wide open & Sarah missing when he got back at 4 A.M., who was it that told the pastor's son later on Sunday morning that Sarah had already been picked up for Sunday school when in actuality, she had already been missing for hours? If this was a different brother, then he obviously hadn't been informed that Sarah was missing so apparently the brother that discovered her gone didn't share that information with the other siblings.)

"Although there have been some cases in years past where she would be missing for a small amount of time, where she would leave, get upset with her parent, generally just for a few hours, at this time it appears to be out of character for her," Gee said. "There are also other circumstances that we used to believe that there is evidence of foul play."

(Let's keep this poor child in our prayers. How very truly sad.)

[KatherineQ]

Who told the boy that someone had already picked her up for church, I wonder? If it was the OTHER brother, this could all patch together and still be believable, if he answered the door, went to her room and she was gone he could have assumed she'd already been picked up.

Otherwise, it looks really really fishy that someone would lie like that.

[kk's mom]

Help me to understand why some parents take off and leave their kids at home by themselves, unsupervised? I'm sorry, but some teens need supervision. This mother didn't know her daughter was missing until Monday? And please help me to understand these women who date men who have a history of sexual offenses? Do they honestly think that's going to change? And then they let them around their children??? They should be held accountable. I'm sorry, I'm tired of hearing about this. What about the guy up in So. Dakota who kidnapped, raped, and murdered the 8 yr old granddaughter of the woman he was dating? What's the story up there anyway? Why did the grandmother leave her with this guy overnight?
I know she was visiting the grandmother, but why did the grandmother go out and not come home until the next day? Was she out partying? Holy crap!!! :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: I'm so freaking sick and tired of these women who allow their children to be around men they know to have a "history" and then to leave small, innocent children with sex offenders! WTF?

[KatherineQ]

KK - it's not really clear the mom intended to leave her home alone - the stories state she came home unexpectedly early - (maybe she was bored, maybe the thing ended unexpectedly early, or the info from the church was unclear, or her ride had an emergency, who knows). I think she wasn't expected home until Sunday.

[KatherineQ]

This story keeps changing. NOW, the brother states he was home at 2 a.m., NOT 4 a.m., and that he noticed a bottle of beer on the table.

Are the cops purposely releasing incorrect info, or is the media just botching it, or is the brother completely changing his story? Maybe some of each.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13280

[Sassygerl]

KK - it's not really clear the mom intended to leave her home alone - the stories state she came home unexpectedly early - (maybe she was bored, maybe the thing ended unexpectedly early, or the info from the church was unclear, or her ride had an emergency, who knows). I think she wasn't expected home until Sunday.

But even so, the mother didn't think anything was wrong until Monday. She "assumed" her daughter had spent the night with a friend and then went to check the school to see if she was there on Monday...that is when she reported her missing. This story is a sad one. I think this little girl has lead a sad life and has been let down by many adults.

[TisHerself]

Does not look good for Sarah she is in my prayers. It is just so so sad that this child was missing all day Sunday and no one even knew.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Who told the boy that someone had already picked her up for church, I wonder? If it was the OTHER brother, this could all patch together and still be believable, if he answered the door, went to her room and she was gone he could have assumed she'd already been picked up.

Otherwise, it looks really really fishy that someone would lie like that.
Yeah, I find it believable but I also find it very sad that this family seems to be so disconnected from each other. If I were to come home at 4 in the morning, with the door standing open, and my 13 year-old sister gone, I would have probably been trying to contact our other siblings and mother & pacing back & forth until I heard from someone. If the other brother didn't know, then her brother that discovered her missing must have simply shut the door and went to bed, perhaps assuming that she left on her own like her mother originally thought. My 16 year-old wouldn't dare leave on her own, so if she wasn't home when we got here, we'd all know that something was terribly wrong, (and we're not the poster family for perfect relationships either).

[lady-eowyn]

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB3UMBGI7E.html

RUSKIN - As hordes of law enforcement officers and volunteers scoured rural Ruskin for missing 13-year-old Sarah Michelle Lunde on Wednesday, investigators focused attention on a convicted sex offender who had a relationship with the teen's mother. David Onstott, 36, was arrested Tuesday night on charges unrelated to the disappearance of Sarah, who has not been seen since early Sunday.


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Gee confirmed that Onstott had a relationship with Sarah's mother, Kelly May. He did not elaborate but said the relationship ended months ago and Onstott has not been around the family or their home on 30th Street Southeast since.

But Sarah's older brother, Andrew, 17, said Onstott showed up at the house early Sunday morning - just hours after he last saw his sister.

``He just showed up out of the blue,'' Andrew Lunde said Wednesday at the sheriff's office command post set up at First Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, where the family attends services. ``It was strange.''

Eerily similar to the Lunsford case isn't it? :(


Regarding the mother not being there....if my interpretation of the story is correct the mother DIDN'T expect Sarah home until Sunday. Still, that's no excuse for not checking around to see where she was on Sunday and no excuse for the older brothers to alert someone of her disappearing. I also find it hard to believe the church leaders would just let her come home early without making sure someone was available to pick her up. Either the girl lied to her mother about when she was suppose to be home or the trip "officially" ended early. According to reports the mission trip was in Apopka, which is 100+ miles from Ruskin. This girl wasn't somewhere close by that she could simply leave and walk home. So far I haven't heard HOW she got home from church, whether someone from church dropped her off, she walked or what. I checked the church address and it is also on 30th St SE, so I suspect she walked. As I sad before, I work with the youth at my church but I'd NEVER let one walk home even if it was close by. Our youth are under adult supervision at ALL times until a parent shows up to pick them up.


As far as the whys in this case, do remember that these are people who live in a totally different world than use, just like Trena Gage. I won't judge people on their socio-economic status, but I've found that typically in areas like this with poor single mothers and a lot of dysfunctional families they just don't think like us. It's almost like their brains are not wired to think like us.


Oh...and the sex offender arrested in a unrelated incident IS Ontott. He was also arrested for failing to notify authorites of his current address. Does this sound eerily familiar? I've got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.


Here's a link to Onstotts arrest info


http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=05023899

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I tried to check the registry for this guy, and once again, the Florida site does not work for me. I think it works one out of every fifty times I try it. Is it just me or does this site fall well short?

[audrey77]

I tried to check the registry for this guy, and once again, the Florida site does not work for me. I think it works one out of every fifty times I try it. Is it just me or does this site fall well short?

I've used it for years- always works for me...

Jersey doesn't even have one!!!

[lady-eowyn]

I have not had any problems with the Florida site myself...but was unable to find him on the site. I think when they are arrested and taken off the streets for crimes other than a sex offense they may remove them from the site. The reason I say this is because Couey showed up on the FDLE database before his arrest in GA but was no longer on it after he was arrested. I was unable to look Onstott up before his arrest because his name was not released until the arrest.

Although reports say there were 24 registered offenders in Ruskin...the FDLE database tells me that there are 25, not including Onstott. 2 of the 25 are absconded...making it 23 that they know where are, add Onstott and that would make 24. I guess when they release numbers they don't include absconded offenders? :waitasec: (I'd think absconded ones would be the focus!)

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Tampabay: Attention shifts to sex offender in Lunde case (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/14/Tampabay/Attention_shifts_to_s.shtml)

Gee stopped short of calling Onstott a suspect, or even a person of interest. He gave no details about the man's interview with detectives...

"I think it's clear, he has our attention," Gee said of Onstott, 34. "I'm not going to label him at this time. We are looking at everybody thoroughly..."

His father, David Onstott Sr., said a lawyer who represented his son in a previous assault case called this week and said "my son is suspect No. 1 in this..."

His father said he doubted Onstott has anything to do with Sarah's disappearance.

"I can't believe he would hurt a young girl," Onstott Sr. said

Church members last saw Sarah about 9 p.m. Saturday, when they dropped her off at home after a youth rally in Lake Apopka...

"She was left home a lot and it was so dark out there," (Reverend) Cook said. "We were always concerned about Sarah's safety."

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I've used it for years- always works for me...

Jersey doesn't even have one!!!
I'm not insulting the site ... it's very useful when it does work. I just can't seem to get into it much.

And Jersey does have one. Here's the link:

New Jersey State Police - NJ Sex Offender Internet Registry (http://www.njsp.org/info/reg_sexoffend.html)

[lady-eowyn]

So the church just dropped her off?!! :doh:

I guess big city churches like mine are much different than small rural churches

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think when they are arrested and taken off the streets for crimes other than a sex offense they may remove them from the site.
Actually, go to advanced settings beneath the area where you type in the information, and you can change the search criteria to include absconded, in-state, out-of-state, etc., or you can click to check all. See if that works for you.

[lady-eowyn]

Just curious...what kind of problems have you had with it Jersey? A few times I've had difficulty connecting, but I think that was more that the server was just overloaded...within minutes I was able to get onto it. I'll admit it's not the best of the best...after comparing each state's the other day Florida ranks somewhere in the upper middle

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think that the information on the site is very useful but when I type in the information and click submit, I get the search page again. No matter what information I type, I get right back to the search page as if I've done nothing at all. Am I doing something wrong?

[lady-eowyn]

Actually, go to advanced settings beneath the area where you type in the information, and you can change the search criteria to include absconded, in-state, out-of-state, etc., or you can click to check all. See if that works for you. It doesn't matter which options are checked...he is not in the database...nor is Couey...that's why I think they take them off when they are arrested. Which is weird because there are incarcerated offenders on the site...

ETA...no, that can't be it..because I just checked a few of the incarcerated offenders and they are incarcerated on other charges

[lady-eowyn]

I think that the information on the site is very useful but when I type in the information and click submit, I get the search page again. No matter what information I type, I get right back to the search page as if I've done nothing at all. Am I doing something wrong?
Give me an example of what you are typing in and in what fields

[richandfamous]

Jessica’s dad to help with search for Hillsborough girl, Sarah Lunde.


"I don’t know if I can do this again, but because of what everybody did for me…I have to.


http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13289

[lady-eowyn]

My respect for that man just climbs by the day...he is one amazing person!!

[richandfamous]

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13280

Ruskin, Florida - Sarah Lunde's older brother Andrew says David Onstott was in the family home just five hours after Sarah was last seen.

At about 2 AM, all was quiet in the Ruskin home, as Andrew Lunde came in and noticed a half finished bottle of beer on a corner table.
Andrew Lunde / Sarah's brother:
"Around 5 AM, a man named David knocked on the door and asked if my mother was home. And I told him, 'No, she's gone for the weekend.' And he came inside, grabbed the bottle, and left."

Andrew Lunde says Onstott and his mother, Kelly May, were a couple for two months a "few years ago," and that Onstott would still show up at the home unannounced every few months.

Doesn't look good folks!

[kk's mom]

My respect for that man just climbs by the day...he is one amazing person!!

I second that......

[lady-eowyn]

Did you see the video interview of the brother on the Tampa Bay's 10 link? \

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13290

it's below Sarah's picture...

This wasn't a close knit family by any means....sounds like Onstott wasn't well liked by the children either.

Gosh...now I am feeling guilty because I'm not down there volunteering, but I have a deadline to meet today and simply cannot get away :confused:

[TisHerself]

I hope I am so wrong but sounds like Onstott had Sarah picked out and was just waiting for right time. I really pray I am wrong and she has ran away.

[Shadow205]

I hate to be all gloom & doom people but I've been in it to long. I'm afraid that you might as well go ahead and prepare yourself for a bad ending in this one. I think they already have the perp, now they just have to find the victim. I pray that I am wrong but just being realistic. Sounds to me like Mom's boyfriend realized that he left behind evidence to link him to the crime(the beer bottle) and went back and got it.

[lady-eowyn]

I hate to be all gloom & doom people but I've been in it to long. I'm afraid that you might as well go ahead and prepare yourself for a bad ending in this one. I think they already have the perp, now they just have to find the victim. I pray that I am wrong but just being realistic. Sounds to me like Mom's boyfriend realized that he left behind evidence to link him to the crime(the beer bottle) and went back and got it.
I have to say I agree with you Shadow...I called about volunteering for the search and was told that it was too late to check in today. I won't be able to do it at all tomorrow as I'm headed out of town. But my gut feeling tells me that it's going to yield nothing good.:(

[KatherineQ]

I agree, it doesn't look good for dear Sarah. She sounds like a really sweet girl.

It's kind of baffling that the brother didn't put this together before, and tell the mother about this. Or maybe he did, who knows.

For her to be gone after midnight, and it be obvious that when she was alone in the house AFTER MIDNIGHT, this loser sexual offender comes by and drinks half a beer.

It sounds like this home is such utter chaos that a man coming over at 5 a.m. and retrieving a beer bottle he left there when NO ONE KNEW HE WAS THERE, and now the sister's mysteriously gone, that's such a huge thing. I mean really, for some guy to come by at 5 a.m, terribly unusual and memorable in most homes. Baffling.


edited to add: I wonder if the brother was drinking? I know he's underage and there's been no mention that he was drinking, but it's hard to imagine how else he could not recognize this as being a big problem.

[richandfamous]

I hate to be all gloom & doom people but I've been in it to long. I'm afraid that you might as well go ahead and prepare yourself for a bad ending in this one. I think they already have the perp, now they just have to find the victim. I pray that I am wrong but just being realistic. Sounds to me like Mom's boyfriend realized that he left behind evidence to link him to the crime(the beer bottle) and went back and got it.

Shadow, if I may ask, you said you have been in it to long...what do you do?
And, yes, the predator came back within about 3 hours to get the beer bottle evidence. You know what they say........most victims are dead within 3 hours, right? OMG, what in the hell are these mother's thinking??? Don't they know that they are subjecting their children to anyone they bring home as a friend or boyfriend? Are they so hard up for love that they would risk their own children? jmo

[mysteriew]

Found Onstott on the database. On the search page click Advanced Options, put a check on county incarcerated county and incarcerated federal. Go back to the search page and leave everything blank, but choose the Hillsborough county. There are 1362 registered offenders in Hillsborough county. (137 pages)

http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/sexual_predators/Result.asp?Cmd=SelectOne&PageNumber=91&PageSource=0&PageNavIdx=9&PageBuffer=37043,true&SPage=584757123&GeoOptions=0

[CinnamonGirl]

I agree,this will have a sad ending.Mother's really need to smarten up when it comes to their kids.I imagine this will be another Jetseta type case.

[lady-eowyn]

Found Onstott on the database. On the search page click Advanced Options, put a check on county incarcerated county and incarcerated federal. Go back to the search page and leave everything blank, but choose the Hillsborough county. There are 1362 registered offenders in Hillsborough county. (137 pages)

http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/sexual_predators/Result.asp?Cmd=SelectOne&PageNumber=91&PageSource=0&PageNavIdx=9&PageBuffer=37043,true&SPage=584757123&GeoOptions=0
That's comforting huh?

Funny...I did that earlier and he did not show up...may have just taken them a bit to change his status...dunno..I do know he wasn't on there before

[CinnamonGirl]

Onstott is pretty creepy looking.

[lady-eowyn]

Onstott is pretty creepy looking.
and from what the brother said he could be violent too....hopefully Sheriff Gee will get to the bottom of this.

[mysteriew]

and from what the brother said he could be violent too....hopefully Sheriff Gee will get to the bottom of this.

Yeah, sounds like he is a violent :loser:
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Records show Onstott was convicted in 1995 of sexual battery with physical force, spent 5 1/2 years in state prison and then served two years of probation.

Gee said Onstott also was arrested in March for failing to notify authorities of his current address. He was released on bail, and the Hillsborough County State Attorney's Office is investigating the case as a possible probation violation, Gee said

After being questioned by authorities Tuesday, Onstott went to a friend's house in Apollo Beach saying he needed a place to shower and sleep, authorities said. The men argued, and Onstott threatened the other man with a screwdriver, according to an arrest affidavit.

Onstott was being held without bail at the Orient Road Jail. He also is being held on a charge of failure of sexual predator to register and a Michigan warrant accusing him of driving under the influence.

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB3UMBGI7E.html

[Sheromom]

I KNOW I will get some dissing for this opinion but I TRULY believe that all sexual predators should have their genitals AND their hands removed. We would know who to avoid out there. I cannot imagine a mother knowingly having a relationship with someone like that. I so wonder about the CPS offices in EVERY state. My son had a child with a woman whose first child was taken away from her at 2 months old with several ribs broken in various stages of healing. She got that child back about the same time she had my grandson. I tried very hard to like her; hoping it was someone else who had hurt the first child but I could never get beyond wondering how any child could be in that amount of pain (even a cracked rib HURTS!) and its mother not think anything was wrong. Well, sure enough, for nearly seven years now I have LIVED at CPS telling them how she locks the children outside at night as a typical punishment, refuses them water and leaves them in a locked car in the summer (windows rolled up) and all sorts of things normal people would never consider doing to their children. We have even had a police officer take our grandson from his home because of handprint bruises on his back. CPS let us have him three days (our son still lives with us- they never married) and then she got him back. Children are left in the most dangerous circumstances in our nation in the name of FREEDOM! The poor little girl here sounds like she was really trying to lead a good life in spite of her home life.

[Timex]

Missing:Sarah Lunde Florida 12 yrs old

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http://www.stpetetimes.com/2005/04/...rch_for_m.shtml

Another child with a mother that had a boyfriend that's a sexual offender,I hope this child doesn't end up like Jetseta Gage.

[lady-eowyn]

Roy Brown, Amanda Brown's father has also joined the search, along with Mark Lunsford

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBBX3Z8J7E.html

RUSKIN - Volunteers searching for 13-year-old Sarah Michelle Lunde today were joined by two familiar faces: Mark Lunsford, the father of a 9-year-old girl who was abducted and killed in Homosassa in February, and Roy Brown, father of a 7-year-old Seffner girl who disappeared in 1998 and has never been found. ``It hurts to be here, but it has to be done,'' said Lunsford, father of Jessica Lunsford. ``The family and this little girl need all the help they can get.''

[Nchadwickaz]

Found this article pretty interesting..... so was there no one at the residence at the time of her disappearence?

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13280

[Nchadwickaz]

So let me get this right????

Even when the brother returned and the front door opened, sister gone and a half full beer on the counter -- then the mother's exboyfriend (sex offender) shows up unannounced, wakes up brother and grabs the beer and leaves..... it was not apparent to anyone that this odd or something wrong????

This is normal for the family?

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13280

[Shadow205]

Richandfamous,

I don't mind you asking at all. I am a retired Police Officer, just retired last year from a department in south Florida.

[lady-eowyn]

So let me get this right????

Even when the brother returned and the front door opened, sister gone and a half full beer on the counter -- then the mother's exboyfriend (sex offender) shows up unannounced, wakes up brother and grabs the beer and leaves..... it was not apparent to anyone that this odd or something wrong????

This is normal for the family?

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13280
Sadly Nchadwickaz this is normal for some families..not every family lives like middle America suburbia. It obviously was not so out of the ordinary that the brother felt compelled to call the police :confused:

[concernedperson]

Nancy Grace is profiling this case and it doesn't look good. Her mother seems to be absentee. The sex offender that was involved with her mother is under suspicion and in the interim Sarah is missing. This just doesn't look good. My heart is breaking for yet another child who we can presume to be dead. It freaking stinks and how in the hell can we continue to let this happen? I am totally out of sorts and would like any direction as to how this can be prevented.

[lady-eowyn]

Ex-girlfriend says Onstott is bad news (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13319)

Ex Girlfriend:
“He is a sick individual.”

That’s how David Onstott’s ex girlfriend describes the man who at this point appears to be the best lead in the Sara Lunde disappearance. The ex girlfriend who asked us not to show her face was granted a domestic violence injunction to keep Onstott away

Ex Girlfriend:
“The injunction I got was out of pure fear, because this man is sick.”

Court records say Onstott owns knives, has alcohol, drug and history of mental health problems.

:furious:

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13280)

As he was about to leave jail Wednesday morning after posting bond, Deputies detained Onstott on an outstanding arrest warrant from the state of Michigan.

The above statement combined with the fact that this Sheriff has received some advice from Sheriff Dawsy makes me think that they might very well have the right guy already, (like someone said earlier). One of the more recent articles stated that they've raised his bond to a fairly high amount, hoping he won't be able to get out. Is there a reason that they would do this besides what it seems like?

[lady-eowyn]

Sheriff Gee is still being pretty tightlipped. In a news conference this afternoon he was asked about this and he pretty much said he wouldn't comment on the investigation. He talked mainly about the search.

I'm glad they found some way to hold onto this guy...can you believe the similarities between this and the Lunsford case?! I'm hoping it doesn't follow that pattern.

Bless Mark Lunsford's heart..he was there today supporting that mother during the news conference...Sheriff Gee asked him to say a few words. He teared up talking about how everyone helped him and how he want's to help this family

[CinnamonGirl]

Yesterday on Bay 9 news,they had a transcript that was sent over to someone in LE and it said that Onstott is a suspect in the disappearance of Sarah.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Give me an example of what you are typing in and in what fields
I've typed in all of the information I've had - sometimes just name & county, sometimes I'm able to include the zip or the street address, or any combination of those details. It's worked for me from time to time, and I haven't been doing anything differently during the times that it doesn't work. :waitasec:

[cami]

Roy Brown, Amanda Brown's father has also joined the search, along with Mark Lunsford

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBBX3Z8J7E.html

RUSKIN - Volunteers searching for 13-year-old Sarah Michelle Lunde today were joined by two familiar faces: Mark Lunsford, the father of a 9-year-old girl who was abducted and killed in Homosassa in February, and Roy Brown, father of a 7-year-old Seffner girl who disappeared in 1998 and has never been found. ``It hurts to be here, but it has to be done,'' said Lunsford, father of Jessica Lunsford. ``The family and this little girl need all the help they can get.''

Oh that was sad to see Lunsford out there searching. His heart must have been very heavy.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

TheLouisvilleChannel.com - News - Beer Bottles Become Focus In Search For Florida Child (http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/news/4382666/detail.html)

Detectives asked searchers looking for a missing 13-year-old girl Friday to look for empty bottles of Budweiser or Bud Lite -- the type of beer a sex offender allegedly snatched from a kitchen table of the girl's home about the time she disappeared...

Detectives told the searchers Friday not to disturb the beer bottles if they find them, but to point them out. David Onstott, a registered sex offender who once dated Sarah's mother, grabbed a half-empty bottle of beer off her family's kitchen table before leaving during an unexpected predawn appearance at the home Sunday, the girl's 17-year-old brother, Andrew, said...

[CinnamonGirl]

I think they need to get Onstott and make him talk,put his meatballs in a crusher and make him squeal and tell what he did with her.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think they need to get Onstott and make him talk,put his meatballs in a crusher and make him squeal and tell what he did with her.
I think you're right. Too much of a coincidence that he would just happen to show up on the night this girl goes missing, and not have something to do with it. But I'm holding onto the hope that perhaps she did just manage to run away well. I'm doubtful but still praying that that's the case.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

... from what the brother said he could be violent too...Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13319)

... When the ex girlfriend broke up with him she says he became enraged, got drunk and hit a man in the face with a machete...

baynews9.com - News : Search for missing Ruskin teen suspended overnight (http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/4/13/77867.html)

In 2002, Onstott was arrested and charged with slicing a man's face with a machete. He was acquitted of that charge.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Search For Sarah Turns Up Nothing But Questions: From The Tampa Tribune (http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBXM93VJ7E.html)

... prosecutors worked to ensure a man questioned in the disappearance would not gain release soon...

... Onstott's bail on a charge of failing to report as a sex offender was increased from $1,000 to $250,000 on Thursday...

... "The state wants to make sure he's available for continued questioning,'' Courtney, (Onstott's attorney), said...

...Courtney said prosecutors agreed to release Onstott on his own recognizance but, before his release, deputies found two outstanding warrants from Michigan for driving under the influence charges.

On Thursday, prosecutors asked Judge Michelle Sisco to revoke Onstott's bail on the failure to report charge. They argued that the outstanding charges in Michigan show that Onstott is a flight risk. Sisco raised his bail to $250,000...

... Courtney said it is important to point out that Onstott's past did not include crimes against juveniles.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Tampabay: Search for girl targets areas near her home (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/15/Tampabay/Search_for_girl_targe.shtml)

... They also retraced two areas where tracking dogs picked up a scent earlier this week.

... search dogs picked up a suspicious scent Tuesday and again on Wednesday while walking south of the mobile trailer Sarah shares with her mother and three brothers....



... Courtney, (Onstott's attorney), said Onstott, 34, gave investigators the keys to his truck so they could search it ... "He's done anything they asked him to do," Courtney said...

... Courtney said Onstott did not give authorities his new address because he did not have one. Jail records show he was living in a mobile home nine miles from Sarah's home. But Courtney said Onstott "has been bouncing around without a place to stay" after separation from his wife...



... (Sarah's brother, Andrew) Lunde told investigators he left the trailer after 9 p.m. but ended up hanging out with friends. He did not return until 4 a.m. Sunday, according to Gee. The door was wide open and Sarah was gone, but Lunde went to sleep.

Lunde told reporters Onstott came to the trailer at 5 a.m. and woke him up, asking to see Kelly May. Onstott left when he learned she was not there, taking with him a beer bottle that Andrew Lunde had seen inside the trailer earlier that night, Lunde said.

Gee and other sheriff's investigators would not say whether they believe Lunde's account....

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Recent cases raise awareness of sex offenders' locations (http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2005/04/050413offenders.shtml)

... The wife of the pastor at Sarah Lunde's church was among those who had no idea 24 sex offenders called Ruskin home.

... While two dozen sex offenders may seem like a lot, it's actually not when compared to other areas of Tampa Bay.

... Some of the ZIP codes in Hillsborough's rural Big Bend area, where Sarah lives, have the highest totals; some there numbered in the hundreds.

... The day after Jessica (Lunsford's) body was found, more than 300,000 people logged onto the FDLE web site.

[fran]

I agree with others, this does not look like there's going to be a happy ending here. Each day the news gets worse.

JMHO
fran

[richandfamous]

Fox reporting the search teams aree being told to look for bud beer bottles!

[packerdog]

I agree, I don't think there will be a happy ending here. I think the moms ex boyfriend had something to do with her disappearence. The mother has to be feeling pretty terrible right now.

[kk's mom]

I agree, I don't think there will be a happy ending here. I think the moms ex boyfriend had something to do with her disappearence. The mother has to be feeling pretty terrible right now.

No it does not sound too good. I guess the way I read this is that he may have told them they'd find her body where he had been drinking the beer? Does that sound right?

[solosamtheman]

This is exactly why I posted that message "it didn't have to happen". I know that lots of you take very good care of your children but then there are those who fail to use simple common sense like in this case. And even one is too many but when you look at lots of cases where it turns out that 90% of them could have been avoided it makes it sound like you are blaming the parents and forgetting about the scum that did that to her. I am not forgetting. I salute the parents who love their children enough to embarrass them by walking them to their destinations whether it be a friends house or school or anywhere else. One day they will too. And maybe one day we'll get it all sorted out so that once again children can be safe in their own homes and beds.

[fran]

No it does not sound too good. I guess the way I read this is that he may have told them they'd find her body where he had been drinking the beer? Does that sound right?


From what I understand, he's denying involvement of her disappearance. I think LE is taking it upon themself from experience and the circumstances that have been worked out.

Daughter is home by herself..... Ex bf, convicted/reg sex offender, comes over unexpectedly,..opens a beer,..1/2 thru the beer takes the daughter somewhere else. After a few hours, ex bf returns to the house to pick up his 1/2 finished beer. Sounds like the ex bf had the beer with him so they're probably figuring he had a whole 6 pack or whatever and they're thinking he might have stopped to have a beer wherever he did whatever he did with Sarah.

JMHO
fran

[KatherineQ]

Maybe the mother didn't know he was a convicted sex offender? It doesn't sound like she really knew him all that well, for that long. Maybe she did, I don't know.

His wife kicked him out of the house in Nov. 2004. He and Sarah's mom have now been broken up "for several months".

So that leaves only about 3 months in between the time he left his wife and when they "broke up" - maybe she didn't know about his past or suspect there was anything wrong with him.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

It sounds like he could have stopped by looking for Sarah's mom, and when he realized that she wasn't home, he saw the opportunity. He may have stayed and chatted with Sarah before taking her somewhere. Maybe he took her to "get something to eat", which is what her brother was supposed to do before leaving for 5-7 hours while she was sitting there hungry.

He probably realized that he had left his beer behind, and didn't want any evidence to be left so he went back to get it. Maybe LE is thinking that he had the bottle in his hand when he knocked on the door, and possibly had more in his car. If he did something to Sarah, he must have known that his appearance at the house at 5 A.M. was going to be learned by LE so perhaps they think that he threw the bottles out of the car to get rid of any evidence linking him to the scene or to the brother's story.

I don't know if the ex-boyfriend took Sarah or not but it seems entirely possible. The pieces certainly do fit together. The fact that they raised his bail from $1,000 to $250,000 is distressing to me. I know that they want to keep him around for more questioning but that's quite a leap.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

... maybe she didn't know about his past or suspect there was anything wrong with him.
I agree with this idea. She met a guy, went out with him for a while, and then they broke up. It's something we've all done. How many of us have suspected that our boyfriend was a registered sex offender?

I do wish, however, that this family had looked out for each other a little more. :(

[KatherineQ]

I know, about "look out for each other a little more". It just seems totally disjoint. Maybe it's not a true picture of how they typically are.

I am really curious, but I guess it's none of my business, exactly how the timeline went in that trailer on Sunday. I just can't imagine, at some point, the brother not mentioning the boyfriend had been by. That Sarah had come home and left again. That someone had come by from the church looking for her. Who again, said she'd already been picked up? I'm really just curious, it won't help solve the case, just bugs me.

[SoloFlyer]

I thought I should mention that Florida is not the only state with sexual predators or missing children. You just hear about it more because of the "government in the sunshine laws". Basically the laws state that the press and public have a right to know everything the government investigates. There are no secrets. Unlike the other 49 states we can't and do not keep these things under wraps from the media except in certain cases where there are agreements with certain local media moguls not to report certain types of crimes because they do not wish to hurt the tourist industry. But, and this is a big BUT, the national media could care less about Florida's tourism dollars and will report anything remotely sensational and does, they also like to add their own twist of sensationalism to the story since it is not "their" state! The shame is that the nation hears about these crimes happening in our backyard before we do. But do not be fooled into thinking they only happen in Florida. That is naive. Pedophiles have no problem crossing state lines and right now they are leaving Florida by the hundreds in fear of the new legislation that Jessica's Law has proposed. Personally I am happy about it. I do not think it will stop these pedophiles, they will just move to another state to molest and rape children. They do not stop until they are unable to reach children either because they are locked away or dead.

[CinnamonGirl]

I thought I should mention that Florida is not the only state with sexual predators or missing children. You just hear about it more because of the "government in the sunshine laws". Basically the laws state that the press and public have a right to know everything the government investigates. There are no secrets. Unlike the other 49 states we can't and do not keep these things under wraps from the media except in certain cases where there are agreements with certain local media moguls not to report certain types of crimes because they do not wish to hurt the tourist industry. But, and this is a big BUT, the national media could care less about Florida's tourism dollars and will report anything remotely sensational and does, they also like to add their own twist of sensationalism to the story since it is not "their" state! The shame is that the nation hears about these crimes happening in our backyard before we do. But do not be fooled into thinking they only happen in Florida. That is naive. Pedophiles have no problem crossing state lines and right now they are leaving Florida by the hundreds in fear of the new legislation that Jessica's Law has proposed. Personally I am happy about it. I do not think it will stop these pedophiles, they will just move to another state to molest and rape children. They do not stop until they are unable to reach children either because they are locked away or dead.

Not that I want to see other children in other states be subjected to these perverts,but I will be happy if they all leave the state of Florida.I love living in Florida,and it's so pretty here and the smell of the orange blossoms is awesome,we just need to get rid of the criminal filth that lives here.

[Shadow205]

I used to love Florida too Cinnimongirl, the "Old Florida". But that is gone and in its place are people who don't care, about the care free, laid back life style, that Floridians used to enjoy. People have moved to Florida from everywhere and most want to do things the way they were done where ever they are from. The small towns are now large cities and along with large cities come higher crime statistics. The Police Departments can't keep up, the school systems can't keep up. I loved it when I first moved there 20 years ago but I was so ready to get the heck out of there when I retired. I found me a nice quite little town in the WV mountains and it really is "Almost Heaven." Florida is an OK place to vacation but I would never live there again.

[SoloFlyer]

I agree, it really stinks that the influx of transplants has destroyed our state. I have lived here all of my life, and many generation before me, same county even the same hunk of land. I've seen changes that have had me wondering if this is a good place to keep raising children. But home is where the heart is and my heart is here with my family so close. Within a 2 mile radius, I have at least 30 relatives. Most of them are related to different people in this area and we watch out for each other. I still hate that the natives are being chased out by the intruders.

[Shadow205]

Lunde's mother, Kelly May, would not talk about Sarah's relationship with Onstott. But she asked for the public's help in finding her daughter.


"(I ask) if anybody knows anything, has seen or heard anything regarding Sarah's disappearance that they do call the sheriff's department immediately," she said. "Whether it's a rumor or hearsay, it doesn't matter."

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/4/13/77867.html

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I know, about "look out for each other a little more". It just seems totally disjoint. Maybe it's not a true picture of how they typically are.

I am really curious, but I guess it's none of my business, exactly how the timeline went in that trailer on Sunday. I just can't imagine, at some point, the brother not mentioning the boyfriend had been by. That Sarah had come home and left again. That someone had come by from the church looking for her. Who again, said she'd already been picked up? I'm really just curious, it won't help solve the case, just bugs me.
Yeah, there sure are a lot of odd things there. The brother going to bed after arriving home & seeing the door open & the sister gone; still not notifying anyone after Onstott came by; and the stuff you mentioned above. I still suspect that it's just a family that lives in the same house but doesn't have much interaction in the same ways that most of us do with our families.

An article I posted yesterday mentioned that the pastor's wife said that Sarah is left home a lot, (I wonder who else knows that besides the pastor's wife), and that she goes to church alone. Also, when she got home, her mom was gone, her 16 year-old brother was gone, and her 20 year-old brother was gone. It was a Saturday night so that's okay but the only one that was mentioned either being home or coming home is the 17 year-old. So the two other brothers must have also stayed out either very late or overnight. I wonder if Mom knew where they were or if since Mom was away, they just did their own things.

The brother's reaction to his sister being missing tells me a lot. He comes home sometime between 2 and 4 A.M., (depending on which article you read but it seems that most say 4), and notices the door standing open & his sister gone. Yet he apparently wasn't alarmed; he went to bed. So it seems like it may be a house where people come & go as they please, and the kids make their own rules. And like someone else mentioned, the fact that this Onstott guy could knock on the door at 5 A.M., walk into the house & grab the beer, and leave again without making the brother suspicious seems to indicate that this house might often be pretty active with people coming & going and might often keep late hours.

And yet another thing, when the Mom comes home on Sunday, not only does she not call around to find Sarah because she assumes that she's sleeping over a friend's house, (no note left for Mom & that's okay?), but she also apparently didn't hear anything alarming from Andrew either. Was Andrew out when she came home? Did Andrew never mention that Sarah had been out since the wee hours of the morning the night before or that Onstott had come into the house? There are just so many things there that would have had most of us calling the police so very many hours before. But this family didn't call sooner because they didn't seem to notice anything out of the ordinary. That none of this was out of the ordinary is what is so sad to me.

[richandfamous]

Lunde's mother, Kelly May, would not talk about Sarah's relationship with Onstott. But she asked for the public's help in finding her daughter.


"(I ask) if anybody knows anything, has seen or heard anything regarding Sarah's disappearance that they do call the sheriff's department immediately," she said. "Whether it's a rumor or hearsay, it doesn't matter."

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/4/13/77867.html

That is strange! Why would the little girl have any relationship with Onstott? Did I read somewhere that the mother has a long list of criminal activity?

Also, don't you think the brother's actions are suspitiouus?

Shadow, thanks for answering my question! Thanks for your service and Best regards!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Did I read somewhere that the mother has a long list of criminal activity?

Also, don't you think the brother's actions are suspitiouus?
From what I've read, the mother has a criminal record. I'm not sure how long or what types of activities.

I also found the brother's actions to be suspicious. I wondered if maybe initially he was worried about getting in trouble with his mom for being out so late or for leaving his sister alone, and that's why he acted the way he did.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Search Continues for Missing Ruskin Girl | theledger.com (http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050416/NEWS/504160392/1004/RSS&source=RSS)

"Time is not on our side," Gee said. "As this goes on longer and longer, we do start fearing the worst. We are not at that point yet. We're still hopeful..."

"We all agreed there is nothing else we can do now that is not already being done or being pursued," Gee said. "Our greatest hopes are that she is on a misadventure somewhere, and she is going to see this and she is going to come home..."

Lunde said when he told Onstott his mother wasn't home, Onstott grabbed a half-empty bottle of beer from the kitchen and left. Andrew Lunde said the bottle hadn't been there at midnight when he left for a few hours to get something to eat...

************************************************** ********

I wish we knew whether Andrew let Onstott in and if the kitchen was visible from the front door. Could it be that Onstott stepped inside the front door while he was talking and then just grabbed the beer bottle that he saw sitting there? You know, the kind of visitor that just makes themself at home, walking around your house, opening your 'fridge, etc., while they talk?

Nevertheless, the door standing open when Andrew arrived home at 4 A.M. still bothers me. Even if Sarah left voluntarily with Onstott since she knew him, why would the door be standing open? (Unless he told her to come see something in his car or something like that, and he snatched her from there.)

[richandfamous]

Sheriff Gee just told the searchers to stop searching and there will be a press conference at 12:30.............


guess they found her? It doesn't look good. Sad

[richandfamous]

Body found of caucasion...
1/2 mile from girls house
found by abandoned fish farm partly submerge in water.
It was in an area that had been searched before by search team this morning at about 10:30
will speak later today.
They cannot say if it is her...
they have spoken with the mother already.
There is little chance it is not her.
Five mile flight restriction for news outlets
Tough for all the ppl right now.
Onstott is being questioned.

[babylove]

Poor girl. I was hoping they would find her alive and well. At least they found her sooner rather than later. Another horrible senseless tragedy and they just keep on coming. Will it ever stop? :(

[richandfamous]

Sad Day! I wish they would stop referring to her as having a history of running away....she didn't ever run away...she would go to the preachers house for a while when she argued with her mother! This whole family makes me mad as hell. Sounds like she was a good girl despite her family!

jmo

[Celestrill II]

The mother is an idiot. The older brother is an idiot. If they find out Sarah lived through Sunday, her brother should be locked up with the perp.

He didn't even contact his mother to say that Sarah never came home.

What kind of people are these Lundes? They are despicable, IMO.

[richandfamous]

The mother is an idiot. The older brother is an idiot. If they find out Sarah lived through Sunday, her brother should be locked up with the perp.

He didn't even contact his mother to say that Sarah never came home.

What kind of people are these Lundes? They are despicable, IMO.

Agree

I'm sick, sick, sick!

And what about this report where the mother wouldn't comment on the girls relationship with Oscott?????????? What the hell is that all about?

[CinnamonGirl]

That poor girl,and I believe it is that scum Onstott,I read he hadn't been around their house in a long time and then he just suddenly appears on the day Sarah is missing and grabs the beer,he was probably there earlier when Sarah was there and started the beer.When will these mother's also stop dating these sex offenders and bringing this scum into their home.

Rest in Peace Sarah and Jetseta

[CinnamonGirl]

I'm sure they know it's her,she had a lime green cast on her arm,it would be pretty obvious.

[ariel7]

Body found of caucasion...
1/2 mile from girls house
found by abandoned fish farm partly submerge in water.
It was in an area that had been searched before by search team this morning at about 10:30
will speak later today.
They cannot say if it is her...
they have spoken with the mother already.
There is little chance it is not her.
Five mile flight restriction for news outlets
Tough for all the ppl right now.
Onstott is being questioned.

Oh how sad...not again.:(

I just got the news...:(

Praying for them all,

Ariel

[richandfamous]

CNN Link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/16/florida.girl/index.html)

The search teams were there at that fish farm Thursday as I recall. I guess her body surfaced between then and now.
Fox is also reporting that the mother was away with a boyfriend for the weekend when Sarah was abducted. I hope that piece of a$$ she got was worth it.

[SandyBee]

Police have found an 'unidentified' body approx. 1/2 mile from Sarah's house. :(


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153672,00.html

Anyone else wonder about that Mom leaving her kid on her own 24/7? I also find it very strange this 'ex' boyfriend (also a sex offender) just happened to be at the home the day Sarah was missing. Nothing is confirmed yet but it sure sounds like an almost identical Jessica Lunsford case. :(

[SandyBee]

The mother is an idiot. The older brother is an idiot. If they find out Sarah lived through Sunday, her brother should be locked up with the perp.

He didn't even contact his mother to say that Sarah never came home.

What kind of people are these Lundes? They are despicable, IMO.


AMEN!!!! Those are my exact thoughts! Who the hell leaves a 13 year old on her own 24/7?

Sarah's friend was on Greta the other day and a comment she made disturbed me greatly. She said something to the effect that Sarah would sleep over at her house, but she'd never sleep there, nor did anyone really know the parents. Sounds like Mom was more concerned about her own life rather than her daughter. I have a 10 year old and make it mandatory that I not only talk to the parent(s) where she sleeping over, but to meet them as well. You don't just let your kid sleep over at someone's house that you don't know. Her friends never slept over by her house nor did they even ever ENTER the house. Red flags right there.

[kk's mom]

Sad Day! I wish they would stop referring to her as having a history of running away....she didn't ever run away...she would go to the preachers house for a while when she argued with her mother! This whole family makes me mad as hell. Sounds like she was a good girl despite her family!

jmo

I was going to say the same thing. She's not a repeat runaway kid. I watched Greta last night who interviewed the youth counselor from the church and his sister (who is Sara's best friend). They said she never ran away, never got in trouble. The young man said that all the younger kids at church looked up to her, that she was a role model for them.

This is soooooo sad. I'm still mad as hell at the mom and the brother. I was watching the brother on tv the other, "I hope she calls someone...." duh.....What kind of older brother leaves his 13 year old sister home at night, alone @ midnight and then returns at 4:00 and finds the door open and doesn't think anything of it? Her family certainly let her down big time.

[richandfamous]

AMEN!!!! Those are my exact thoughts! Who the hell leaves a 13 year old on her own 24/7?

Sarah's friend was on Greta the other day and a comment she made disturbed me greatly. She said something to the effect that Sarah would sleep over at her house, but she'd never sleep there, nor did anyone really know the parents. Sounds like Mom was more concerned about her own life rather than her daughter. I have a 10 year old and make it mandatory that I not only talk to the parent(s) where she sleeping over, but to meet them as well. You don't just let your kid sleep over at someone's house that you don't know. Her friends never slept over by her house nor did they even ever ENTER the house. Red flags right there.

I missed the Greta interview...and I'm confused about what you said. She was suppose to be at her friends house but never was???

[kk's mom]

AMEN!!!! Those are my exact thoughts! Who the hell leaves a 13 year old on her own 24/7?

Sarah's friend was on Greta the other day and a comment she made disturbed me greatly. She said something to the effect that Sarah would sleep over at her house, but she'd never sleep there, nor did anyone really know the parents. Sounds like Mom was more concerned about her own life rather than her daughter. I have a 10 year old and make it mandatory that I not only talk to the parent(s) where she sleeping over, but to meet them as well. You don't just let your kid sleep over at someone's house that you don't know. Her friends never slept over by her house nor did they even ever ENTER the house. Red flags right there.

The comment bothered me too. I don't let my daughter go over anyone's house (even just for a play date) unless I meet the family first. If I'm uncomfortable, she doesn't go. I still can't believe this mother was gone all weekend and doesn't realize her daughter is missing until mid-Monday? WTF?

[Beffie]

AMEN!!!! Those are my exact thoughts! Who the hell leaves a 13 year old on her own 24/7?

Sarah's friend was on Greta the other day and a comment she made disturbed me greatly. She said something to the effect that Sarah would sleep over at her house, but she'd never sleep there, nor did anyone really know the parents. Sounds like Mom was more concerned about her own life rather than her daughter. I have a 10 year old and make it mandatory that I not only talk to the parent(s) where she sleeping over, but to meet them as well. You don't just let your kid sleep over at someone's house that you don't know. Her friends never slept over by her house nor did they even ever ENTER the house. Red flags right there.


This is really sad. At least, I find peace in knowing that Sarah is in the arms of our Lord and FINALLY loved like she should of been her whole life. She will never feel lonely, abandoned or not important EVERY AGAIN. Rest in peace sweetheart. :(

[Beffie]

This is soooooo sad. I'm still mad as hell at the mom and the brother. I was watching the brother on tv the other, "I hope she calls someone...." duh.....What kind of older brother leaves his 13 year old sister home at night, alone @ midnight and then returns at 4:00 and finds the door open and doesn't think anything of it? Her family certainly let her down big time.

I think her parents let the whole family down. I do not think the kids knew normal behavior, this is the way they probably lived their whole lives. It was probably nothing for them to leave poor Sarah alone, her own mother did it, why shouldn't they. I just cannot imagine not knowing where my child was and who they were with, but obviously it was done alot with them. :furious:

[kk's mom]

I think her parents let the whole family down. I do not think the kids knew normal behavior, this is the way they probably lived their whole lives. It was probably nothing for them to leave poor Sarah alone, her own mother did it, why shouldn't they. I just cannot imagine not knowing where my child was and who they were with, but obviously it was done alot with them. :furious:

That just infuriates me. I couldn't imagine not knowing where my child is either. My god, I start freaking out if she's out of my sight for one minute. I read somewhere within the last couple of days that she spent alot of time at the pastors house (her best friend's house) because she was left alone alot at night and she was scared in the trailer alone because it was very dark where the trailer sat. This ex-boyfriend of the mother.......I believe he's involved..........from having dated the mother for 2 months, he had to know that that girl was left alone. OMG, this tragic ending has broke my heart again........

[Invisible]

CNN Link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/16/florida.girl/index.html)

The search teams were there at that fish farm Thursday as I recall. I guess her body surfaced between then and now.
Fox is also reporting that the mother was away with a boyfriend for the weekend when Sarah was abducted. I hope she the piece of a$$ she got was worth it.

Well...let's cross our fingers that,on her weekend away, she didn't get pregnant with another child that will be neglected.

[Sheromom]

My only hope is that the mother loved her enough to totally suffer the rest of her life for her idiocy. However, I doubt that is the case! :banghead:

[richandfamous]

Gee says he's ready to put handcuffs on Onstott!
She had on her green cast
she has been there since very soon after she was last seen sat nite

[richandfamous]

Is there a picture of this sorry excuse for a mother anyplace on the net?

[Florida]

Picture of the mother at this link.

http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2005/04/14/Tampabay/Attention_shifts_to_s.shtml

[richandfamous]

Picture of the mother at this link.

http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2005/04/14/Tampabay/Attention_shifts_to_s.shtml

Thank you. I heard the mother has gone into hiding. Go figure...

[Anniegirl]

Can we please not bash the mother, she assumed her daughter was safe with a church group, she then assumed her daughter was at a friends place.

Yes, poor judgement in not seeking out exactly and precisely where Sarah was, but NO , her poor judgement doesnt mean she's to blame for a sick ,repeated sex offender bastard to take her daughter and kill her- :banghead: --

Please people ANY of us as parents are not perfect people and cannot constanly shield our children from harms way , as much as we'd love to!----


The Vandams were "bashed' for Danielle being taken from safety of her bed even, Mark Lunsford had went out to see a friend the night Jessica was taken,and i've read post where he was scruntiized--- its plain that sex offenders take advantage of situations when the believe a parent is not around,they are the low life's not the parents who will no doubt regret for the rest of their lives going out for the night .

[Miss Daisey]

Can we please not bash the mother, she assumed her daughter was safe with a church group, she then assumed her daughter was at a friends place.

Yes, poor judgement in not seeking out exactly and precisely where Sarah was, but NO , her poor judgement doesnt mean she's to blame for a sick ,repeated sex offender bastard to take her daughter and kill her- :banghead: --

Please people ANY of us as parents are not perfect people and cannot constanly shield our children from harms way , as much as we'd love to!----


The Vandams were "bashed' for Danielle being taken from safety of her bed even, Mark Lunsford had went out to see a friend the night Jessica was taken,and i've read post where he was scruntiized--- its plain that sex offenders take advantage of situations when the believe a parent is not around,they are the low life's not the parents who will no doubt regret for the rest of their lives going out for the night .Anniegirl, I agree with you to some degree. Perverts are EVERYWHERE. We know that, but the first line of defense for the kids are their parents. Nobody will take as good care of them...or watch out for their safety like a watchful parent. When that doesn't happen these kids are left to their own defense...of which they have NONE. Especially a little girl.

I don't know what happened in this family but seems like they ALL let her down...from what the pastor has said.

My sister use to take lots of kids on outtings with the church. She told me many times they'd drop the kids off and nobody was home. She'd take them all home with her until she could varify that their parent was home before she'd drop them off. Sometime this took all weekend. People use the church and the goodwill of the members as a babysitting service and never think twice about staying away from home all weekend and coming home when they're darn well ready.

Parents are often the ones who put their children at risk.

[KatherineQ]

That's the nature of church, though, to become a magnet for very lost searching young people. Seems like churches are full of very strong close families, and struggling children who come without their families, and are searching for stability.

That was Sarah.

On the other hand, I was babysitting when I was 13. Thirteen years old isn't too young to be left alone in the house - it's not like dropping off a 6 year old or something.

That this monster of a man killed her - really isn't a factor of her age. She was as big as an average woman, probably could defend herself as well as a grown woman physically, and was in her own home. It doesn't seem to me that there's ANYONE to blame but Onstott. Would he have murdered the mother had he found her all alone at home? Very likely it seems.

She seemed like a real shining beacon of a girl.

[Miss Daisey]

She might have been the size of her mother or larger...but she was still only 13yrs old. She didn't have the life experience to defend herself against a sexual preditor.

Her Mom is going to suffer greatly from her laspe in judgement.

[KatherineQ]

All the life experience in the world doesn't help you when someone like Onstott comes by.

Who knows? She might have fought very valiantly, and tried to escape the moment he came in the trailer.

He looks like a very strong man, and she's a young woman. Regardless of how she reacted, if he was bent on killing her, she pretty much doesn't have a lot of defense.

But it isn't because she's 13, it's because he's bigger and stronger than she is, and he wants to kill her.

edited to add: I'm not at all sure, anyway, that a "lapse in judgement" on the mother's part added to this at all. They've been unclear about how the confusion came about, why she was dropped off a day before she was expected, so who knows. But a LOT of parents leave when their kids are at camp, or somewhere like a church weekend, to go off by themselves. If no one communicated she was coming back home unexpectedly, it doesn't seem fair to blame the mother who thought she was at church.

[concernedperson]

All the life experience in the world doesn't help you when someone like Onstott comes by.

Who knows? She might have fought very valiantly, and tried to escape the moment he came in the trailer.

He looks like a very strong man, and she's a young woman. Regardless of how she reacted, if he was bent on killing her, she pretty much doesn't have a lot of defense.

But it isn't because she's 13, it's because he's bigger and stronger than she is, and he wants to kill her.

Very wise post. And the truth of it rings loud and clear. There may be periferary figures but the person that did this to her is to blame.

[Miss Daisey]

Very wise post. And the truth of it rings loud and clear. There may be periferary figures but the person that did this to her is to blame.
I totally agree w/you, CP. The killer is the killer. All I'm saying is she's a child...no matter how much she weighed.

What a sickening circumstance for this poor girl.

[mysteriew]

Lunde was wearing a green cast when she disappeared, and Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee told reporters Saturday that "the green cast is apparent" on the body.

He said an arrest is imminent.

A search-and-rescue dog found the body half-submerged in an abandoned fish farm, the sheriff said. It was in an area that had been searched previously.

"It was clear from investigators that whoever put her there went to great effort to conceal her body," Gee said. He asked the public to notify authorities if articles of clothing are found.

He would not say if the body was found with or without clothes.

The sheriff said he told Sarah's mother, Kelly May, this morning about the discovery.

"She has family around her and some friends, and it's a very difficult time," Gee said earlier. "They're obviously very upset. They're very worried at this news."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/16/florida.girl/

[Florida]

Sarah has spent time in the state's foster care system, and, when she was 9, authorities ordered her hospitalized to ensure she did not hurt herself, law enforcement authorities said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/16/florida.girl/index.html

[concernedperson]

I totally agree w/you, CP. The killer is the killer. All I'm saying is she's a child...no matter how much she weighed.

What a sickening circumstance for this poor girl.

I am hating some of the news reports where they state she has been a runaway. It devalues her as a human being. What it looks like to me is she was running away from bad conditions trying to salvage her life and the system wasn't going for it.

She must have been brave for her age and showed a lot of courage. Unfortunately, like so many abducted and killed children, some evil person saw her and used her and felt they could get away with this crime. I hope that these abused children are romping around in a heavenly place where no one touches them with avarice only love. It makes me so sad for what so many have to go through on this earth.

[Miss Daisey]

I know it, CP. I've heard/read all the news. Everybody here on WS and EVERYWHERE has a heavy heart tonight hoping we can find a way...a law....a punishment that makes it clear that we just aren't going to put up with these scum bags killing our kids!!!!

[concernedperson]

I know it, CP. I've heard/read all the news. Everybody here on WS and EVERYWHERE has a heavy heart tonight hoping we can find a way...a law....a punishment that makes it clear that we just aren't going to put up with these scum bags killing our kids!!!!

I have been doing a lot of searches on ways to punish these people. What I have found for the most part is that the laws are in place but judges and defense attorney's have been able to circumvent the system. Parole boards are of particular interest to me right now....these people, for the most part, are like you and I, have no agendas but keeping bad guys off the street. Not up for the next big case where money is thrown at them etc. This could be our way of circumventing bad decisions and greed. Don't know for sure but it is an avenue to explore.

[Miss Daisey]

I have been doing a lot of searches on ways to punish these people. What I have found for the most part is that the laws are in place but judges and defense attorney's have been able to circumvent the system. Parole boards are of particular interest to me right now....these people, for the most part, are like you and I, have no agendas but keeping bad guys off the street. Not up for the next big case where money is thrown at them etc. This could be our way of circumventing bad decisions and greed. Don't know for sure but it is an avenue to explore.
You know what might help get it more national attention??? is if Michael Jackson is convicted and sent to prison. Then maybe more attention will be focused on the problem ...whether it's a rich guy or a street bum....They'll all the same.

[Kelly]

A Note to our Readers:

Please be aware of who the sexual offenders are where you live. This is a link to online sexual offenders in each state.

I live in Nebraska. We can look up S.O. by zip code. I looked mine up today, and discovered that there are about 20 in my zip code, and one lives one block away!

Sex Offender State Lookup (http://www.sexcriminals.com/registration-notification/)

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has a number of helpful brochures on this topic that you can download free of charge. Please use the link below, and scroll down to "Featured Publications."

Download Sexual Exploitation Materials (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=218)

You may also want to read these tips that sexual predators use from the Megan's Law website:

Tricks Used by Sexual Predators (http://www.parentsformeganslaw.com/html/prevention.lasso?action=detail&uid=117)

Remember that as parents we must protect our children, but we also must let them be children.

Kelly Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org

[Kelly]

A Note to our Readers:

Please be aware of who the sexual offenders are where you live. This is a link to online sexual offenders in each state.

I live in Nebraska. We can look up S.O. by zip code. I looked mine up today, and discovered that there are about 20 in my zip code, and one lives one block away!

Sex Offender State Lookup (http://www.sexcriminals.com/registration-notification/)

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has a number of helpful brochures on this topic that you can download free of charge. Please use the link below, and scroll down to "Featured Publications."

Download Sexual Exploitation Materials (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=218)

You may also want to read these tips that sexual predators use from the Megan's Law website:

Tricks Used by Sexual Predators (http://www.parentsformeganslaw.com/html/prevention.lasso?action=detail&uid=117)

Remember that as parents we must protect our children, but we also must let them be children.

Kelly Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org

[mysteriew]

Sheriff David Gee believes with a high degree of certainty that the body found is that of Sarah Lunde


http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13357

[Miss Daisey]

Thank you, Kelly. We still need reminding....as often as possible.

[WindChime]

They just reported on Fox Cable News that it was Sara from my understanding.

[concernedperson]

Kelly,

I have done these searches. In my zip, there were 2 and not close to me. In my daughter's zip there were 6 and none really close to her. In my grandchildren's zip there were 488!!!!!!!!!

In the neighboring parishes, this is in Louisiana there were 300+. Now, the kicker. The population in this area is around 200,000 people. So, IMO, this is an inordinate amount of sexual offenders.I could hang from the treetops screaming at the top of my lungs and not a whole lot of people would even acknowledge me in that area. This is an area where 60 women were murdered/missing in Louisiana from BatonRouge and across acadiana. Patricia Cornwell (the novelist) has been interested and briefly used this in her book, Blow Fly, but no other serious reporter has looked into this most disconcerting area. Of course, this isn't denigrating any other area of the country and Florida is getting its share right now. But, IMO, we really need to be paying more attention to pattern.

[Nore]

A Note to our Readers:

Please be aware of who the sexual offenders are where you live. This is a link to online sexual offenders in each state.

I live in Nebraska. We can look up S.O. by zip code. I looked mine up today, and discovered that there are about 20 in my zip code, and one lives one block away!

Sex Offender State Lookup (http://www.sexcriminals.com/registration-notification/)

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has a number of helpful brochures on this topic that you can download free of charge. Please use the link below, and scroll down to "Featured Publications."

Download Sexual Exploitation Materials (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=218)

You may also want to read these tips that sexual predators use from the Megan's Law website:

Tricks Used by Sexual Predators (http://www.parentsformeganslaw.com/html/prevention.lasso?action=detail&uid=117)

Remember that as parents we must protect our children, but we also must let them be children.

Kelly Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org
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Hi Kelly and all,we have the list here in Ohio also.We are updated when a new Predator is listed.This has to stop!!! How many children have to die before laws are changed? years ago in Ohio anyone killing a child got an automatic death sentence.Kelly as you said we must let them be children~parents must also begin paying more attention to who they choose as friends.This poor girl had turned to her Church as a "parent"..Yes it is excellent for the child to be close to a Church~but~where the he** was her mother? I am waiting for the day when a parent gets ahold of a Predator and beats the living daylights out of him/her.I think we as a whole have been too lienient with the scum.

[Kelly]

488! I looked up other zip codes in the city here, which is made up of more than a dozen. The highest one, in a bad part of town, had 50.

It's better to be in the know about these sorts of things. You just never know.

Kelly

[Shadow205]

ANother case where the person of interest and soon to be named suspect should have been in jail. If he had been in jail, then this inocent child would be alive. It is simple, no second chances for sexual offenders. This guy was arrested for failure to register as a sexual offender and allowed to post bond!! $100 and he was back on the street. I could not live with myself if I were the Judge that made that smart move. :banghead:

[Florida]

Since I live in Florida, thought you might be interested in my results. In my County, 124, many failed to register, and some deported. In my Zip, 3. In my son's Zip, 15. When I say many failed to registered, too many to make me feel comfortable. Wonder how they follow up on them.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

First I want to say that my heart is broken for Sarah. I wish that she could have had a wonderful life like every child deserves. I believe that she found love and comfort in her church & her pastor's family. I am praying for her and for those that love her.

About the crime, if this was Onstott that did it, it is EXTREMELY concerning. Onstott was registered as a sex offender for raping an adult woman. Does anyone know if he had ever been accused / caught / charged / convicted of any sex crimes against children? If we have rapists on these registries that cross the line from women to children, then our children are in even more danger than we previously imagined, and that is extremely frightening.

Finally, I wanted to ask about Sarah's church outing. I've read different stories ... was she supposed to come home on Saturday or Sunday? The article that I read about her coming home on Saturday made it sound as if it had been a day trip from early on Saturday until Saturday evening, not that they came home early. Does anyone have any solid idea of what the true situation is regarding that outing?

I also wonder how Onstott knew to come for Sarah on that night. How did he know that no one else was home? Did he just happen to stop by at that time coincidentally or was he watching the house ... ? I know we don't know the answers to these questions yet but there are so many questions. :(

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Free Internet Press - Sheriff: Body Is That Of Sarah Lunde (http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3381)

Her body was found half-submerged at an abandoned fish farm, the sheriff said, adding that forensic tests are still incomplete but there was enough evidence to identify the body as that of Sarah Lunde.



CNN.com - Sheriff: Body of missing Florida teen found - Apr 16, 2005 (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/16/florida.girl/index.html)

... searchers found her body partially submerged in a pond near her Florida home.

Hillsborough Sheriff David Gee said the pond at an abandoned fish farm will be drained Sunday and the surrounding area searched for possible evidence...

Area residents were asked to turn over any clothing that might belong to Sarah that they find near where the body was found...

"It was clear from investigators that whoever put her there went to great effort to conceal her body," Gee said.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

If it was indeed Onstott that did this, he's obviously beyond sick ... he's pure evil. To do what he did to this girl, and then go back to her house & face her brother like nothing was wrong in order to pick up the evidence he left behind ... he makes my blood run cold. :sick:

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Girl's Body Found - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBMDXWPM7E.html)

The simple little church in Ruskin never stopped helping Sarah Lunde.

She sought counsel from the pastor and his wife, dreamed of joining the ministry, went on a church trip the day before she disappeared...



Her brother, Andrew Lunde, 17, told investigators he last saw his sister shortly after midnight, (I thought I read that it was 9 PM), April 10, when he left her home alone to get some food.

When (he) returned shortly after 4 a.m., he found the front door open and Sarah gone and assumed she went to a friend's house.

He said he went to sleep but awoke at 5 a.m. to find David Onstott knocking on the front door of the family's mobile home...



... (Gee) wouldn't say what Onstott told investigators about his activities the night Sarah disappeared. Gee also wouldn't say whether Onstott had submitted to a polygraph test or whether his home had been searched...

[gardenmom]

I had hoped so much that this was a runaway. I feel horrible for this family. They may be flawed, but they sure didn't expect or want this. This is seeming to run rampant again, as it did when Danielle VanDam, Samantha Runion, and Elizabeth Smart all went missing around the same time. It's just too much pain.

[gardenmom]

Why would the guy knock if he was coming back to clean up his mess, ie get the beer bottle. There is more to this story, I am sure of it.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Why would the guy knock if he was coming back to clean up his mess, ie get the beer bottle.I would think that he unintentionally left the bottle behind, and that once he realized it, he just knew that he had to get the bottle back. He seems like quite a nasty chap so I don't think he saw any reason not to knock on the door, act matter-of-factly, and then grab the bottle on his way out. Maybe he didn't realize that Andrew saw him, or would take note of it, etc. I wonder if he tried to get in on his own before actually knocking.

But you certainly could be right - there might very well be more to this story. I don't know if this psycho was in touch with reality enough to think about DNA or fingerprints that he may have left behind. I would think that he'd realize that knocking on the door to retrieve that beer bottle was going to link him to the scene a heck of a lot faster than running DNA tests and fingerprints, (if they could get any). Aside from the door standing open, a few things have made me think that this might have been a spur of the moment thing - like he genuinely offered to take her to get something to eat, for example, and then it occured to him to take advantage of the situation. Either way, the details would be interesting but Onstott doesn't seem the kind to want to talk.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Sun Herald - 04/17/05 (http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/041705/tp1ch3.htm?date=041705&story=tp1ch3.htm)

"... I felt helpless, like there was more we should be doing," said Anne Barkenquast an hour after being called back to the command post. "We were about to be sent back out to ride around the perimeter of the fish ponds and they told us to wait because there was a new update..."

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Local News (http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050417/NEWS01/504170340/1006)
... Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials attended the conference at the Cocoa Beach Holiday Inn and announced the formation of the Child Abduction Response Team, a group that sends in additional investigators, helicopters and dog units hours after an abduction is reported.

In the case of 13-year-old Sarah Michelle Lunde, about 15 members of the response team assisted in the search near Ruskin on Florida's west coast...

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Tampabay: Missing girl's body found in fish pond (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/16/Tampabay/Missing_girl_s_body_f.shtml)

... There will be a memorial service Sunday for Sarah Lunde at the church that had become a focal point of her life before she died, First Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, 1820 30th St. SE, in Ruskin. The service begins at 10 a.m., and will close with a memorial to Lunde.

[kk's mom]

Can we please not bash the mother, she assumed her daughter was safe with a church group, she then assumed her daughter was at a friends place.

Yes, poor judgement in not seeking out exactly and precisely where Sarah was, but NO , her poor judgement doesnt mean she's to blame for a sick ,repeated sex offender bastard to take her daughter and kill her- :banghead: --

Please people ANY of us as parents are not perfect people and cannot constanly shield our children from harms way , as much as we'd love to!----


The Vandams were "bashed' for Danielle being taken from safety of her bed even, Mark Lunsford had went out to see a friend the night Jessica was taken,and i've read post where he was scruntiized--- its plain that sex offenders take advantage of situations when the believe a parent is not around,they are the low life's not the parents who will no doubt regret for the rest of their lives going out for the night .

I can appreciate and understand what you are saying Annie - to an extent though. This mother's actions and lifestyle had severe consequences on her daughter. This poor child was left alone alot. She was afraid of being left alone because it was so dark at their trailer site, so she spent many nights at the pastor's house where her best friend lived. I have heard that this Onstatt guy didn't get along with her children, to the point where he would try to pick fights with the older boy. I also believe that from him dating the mother, he knew her routine and knew that when and if she had a new boyfriend she'd leave that girl home by herself. I do feel for this mother, she's lost a child, but I feel that Sarah didn't have the type of life that she deserved. I'm sorry, you don't take off for a weekend with a new boyfriend and not notice your child is missing until mid-Monday. No way. Flame away but sometimes, some parents have to be held accountable in situations like this, when there was never any supervision of her children.

Jessica Lunsford was in her home with her grandparents, Danielle Van Dam was in her home with her father and brothers, Polly Klaas was in her home with her mother sleeping in the next room. Sarah was left home alone for the weekend while her mother went off galavanting. There's a BIG difference there...............
:banghead:

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Girl's Body Discovered In Fish Pond | theledger.com (http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050417/NEWS/504170416/1004/RSS&source=RSS)

Forensic tests by the medical examiner will be necessary to make a firm identification, but Gee said there was a "high degree of certainty" that this was Sarah. And there was no doubt she met a violent end...

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Did I read somewhere that the mother has a long list of criminal activity?
This is all I've seen so far:

Police grill sex criminals in Ruskin girl’s disappearance (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/2415.html)

Both of Sarah’s parents have previous criminal records. While her father has been arrested for bigamy and battery, her mother has got into trouble for releasing bad checks.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Bottles may yield clue about teen (http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/articleB5EBC04E14E14F408896ED54095FC078.asp)

... Gee said he did not know what investigators planned to do with the bottles they found or were turned in from the public. Nor would he elaborate on news accounts of the brother's story.

"It's not totally incorrect, what's out there," he said of the information...

************************************************** *********

:waitasec: Odd ...

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Hope Of Finding Girl Keeps Frustrated Searchers Going: From The Tampa Tribune (http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBAPZ4BL7E.html)

Sarah's brother has said he saw convicted sex offender David Onstott take a half-empty beer bottle from the Lundes' home Sunday morning.

Andrew Lunde, 17, said he was startled because the bottle wasn't there when he left the house earlier that morning. He said to his knowledge, no one else had been in the house while he was gone except Sarah.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

HCSO (http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/)

Search (http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/S_for_S_L/Search_for_Sarah.htm)

... A major search effort by law enforcement officers and hundreds of volunteers will now shift to an intense latent investigation. The focus, the Sheriff said, is to bring to justice the person or people responsible for her death.

The sheriff added that a strategic search of the area by law enforcement officers will continue today and Sunday.

... Sheriff David Gee has cancelled the call for search volunteers.

He extends his appreciation for all those who took the time to volunteer their services. The community support meant much to Sarah's family and extended family.

... Anyone with information related to the case may call the following:

813-247-8200
1-800-873-TIPS or 1-800-873-8477
1-888-FLMISSING or 1-888-356-4774

[kk's mom]

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/17/Hillsborough/Body_likely_missing_R.shtml

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Thanks for the link, kk's mom. This part is so sad:

... John Fontana stood quietly by, arms folded across his chest, taking in the activity. His daughter Leslie was close friends with Sarah and had spent much of the previous week with her. Sarah had asked to spend the night at the Fontana home April 9, but, he said, "we decided she had been with Leslie all week. We figured we would see her at Sunday school."

Now, Fontana said, the family is trying to cope with the hindsight of what might have been. He didn't expect the pain to leave easily. "You're going to have to go through the grief and let time heal."

Hillsborough: Body likely missing Ruskin girl (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/17/Hillsborough/Body_likely_missing_R.shtml)

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Police virtually positive they have found missing girl's body (http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3221004)

A sheriff's spokeswoman in Hillsborough County, Florida, says there's really no doubt that a body found yesterday is that of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde (LUHN'-dee).

Debbie Carter says "we're sure it's her" -- it just hasn't been confirmed yet by the medical examiner. She says that could take a day or two...

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

CBS News | Missing Girl's Body Hidden In Pond | April 17, 2005 09:30:03 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/16/national/main688646.shtml)

... Onstott , who is 6-feet tall, weighs 190 pounds, wears a gold tooth and has tattoos on his arm, stomach and back, was charged with sexual battery with a deadly weapon in 1995, the Miami Herald reports.

The charge was reduced to using physical force on a victim over 12 years of age, and he served 5 1/2 years of a nine-year sentence.

He was charged in 2002 with aggravated battery and intentional bodily harm with a deadly weapon, but acquitted.

In 2003, his probation was extended after he was convicted of violating it. He was charged this year for failing to register as a sex offender and, last week, for the alleged assault at the bar...

[richandfamous]

Disapppearance of Sarah: a timeline (sic)http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/17/Hillsborough/Disapppearance_of_Sar.shtml

I believe he killed her about 4:00am. That would give him time to dump the body and get back to the trailer at 5:00am to pick up his beer bottle evidence.

Did anyone notice that the water level in one of the fish ponds was down?
Wonder why.

[richandfamous]

CBS News | Missing Girl's Body Hidden In Pond | April 17, 2005 09:30:03 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/16/national/main688646.shtml)

... Onstott , who is 6-feet tall, weighs 190 pounds, wears a gold tooth and has tattoos on his arm, stomach and back, was charged with sexual battery with a deadly weapon in 1995, the Miami Herald reports.

The charge was reduced to using physical force on a victim over 12 years of age, and he served 5 1/2 years of a nine-year sentence.

He was charged in 2002 with aggravated battery and intentional bodily harm with a deadly weapon, but acquitted.

In 2003, his probation was extended after he was convicted of violating it. He was charged this year for failing to register as a sex offender and, last week, for the alleged assault at the bar...

Yes! If the laws had been enforced she would be alive. However, this little girl was also the victim of neglect. She didn't just fall through a small crack in the support of her family...she fell through a chasm the size of the grand canyon. jmo

[richandfamous]

Police virtually positive they have found missing girl's body (http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3221004)

A sheriff's spokeswoman in Hillsborough County, Florida, says there's really no doubt that a body found yesterday is that of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde (LUHN'-dee).

Debbie Carter says "we're sure it's her" -- it just hasn't been confirmed yet by the medical examiner. She says that could take a day or two...


JerseyGirl, thanks for all the links!!!

[GrannyEdith]

LE just held a news conference. The person that they had an interest in has confessed and has been arrested.

[kk's mom]

LE just held a news conference. The person that they had an interest in has confessed and has been arrested.

It was Onstadt? I had a feeling........

[GrannyEdith]

It was Onstadt? I had a feeling........
Yes it was .... soooo sad

[Dark Knight]

By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer

RUSKIN, Fla. - A registered sex offender confessed to killing a 13-year-old girl who disappeared a week ago, saying he broke into her house and choked her to death, the sheriff said Sunday.

David Onstott, 36, was charged with first-degree murder Sunday, a day after investigators found Sarah Lunde's partially clothed body in an abandoned fish pond, Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee said.

Sarah was last seen April 9, shortly after returning home from a church trip and around the time Onstott, who once dated her mother, unexpectedly visited the family's home.

Sarah had let Onstott into the house when he came looking for her mother, Kelly May Lunde, around midnight April 9, Gee said. Onstott got into a fight with Sarah, put her into a choke hold and killed her, he said.

[richandfamous]

where did all these creeps come from...is there something wrong with the gene pool?

[smidgeon]

Not trying to be gross or anything, but if they had an argument and he choked her to death, why was she found just partially clothed? Was there something he left out of his confession or that they're not releasing?

JMHO

Smidgeon

[KatherineQ]

The picture they're showing of David Onstott on Cnn.com doesn't even look like the same man that's been shown in the booking pictures.

Is this the same guy, or do they have the pictures mixed up somehow?

One looks like a picture of a white man, the other looks like a picture of a black man.

[CaliKid]

Yes! If the laws had been enforced she would be alive. However, this little girl was also the victim of neglect. She didn't just fall through a small crack in the support of her family...she fell through a chasm the size of the grand canyon. jmo
richandfamous, you hit the nail on the head.

These single mothers MUST start looking at the men they are dating. It doesn't take much to check up on them and find out if they're sexual offenders. Who should come first- your children or some scumbag you just met?

This poor child was neglected, and her mother's behavior was reprehensible. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but I have a 13 and 15 year old, and I would NEVER allow them to come home from an overnight if I didn't plan to be there until the next evening.

[CaliKid]

Not trying to be gross or anything, but if they had an argument and he choked her to death, why was she found just partially clothed? Was there something he left out of his confession or that they're not releasing?

JMHO

Smidgeon
I've been wondering the same thing. Something doesn't add up.

[kk's mom]

Not trying to be gross or anything, but if they had an argument and he choked her to death, why was she found just partially clothed? Was there something he left out of his confession or that they're not releasing?

JMHO

Smidgeon

I'm glad someone else said something. I've been wondering that myself. And what do they mean by "he went to great odds to make sure she didn't surface". Did he weigh her down? Someone said something on tv about finding chicken wire and duct tape.

[smidgeon]

:furious: I have been watching the news in recent weeks, the missing threads here, and amber alerts. And I have just about had it! How many more children will have to suffer at their handsI haven't heard a single word indicating that sexual offenders, against children (or adults, for that matter), can be "cured". Worse still, numerous posters have done searches for sexual offenders in there local areas and mentioned 50 here, twenty-some there, alot of them are among us.

Do we need any of these "offenders" running around loose in society? The sentences given for past convictions are laughably short or non-existent, and the ricidivism rate disgustingly high. In my opinion, these animals should be kept contained where they can do no harm, for the remainder of their lives. Even if they've paid their debt, that shouldn't mean that they be placed anywhere near potential victims. They are drawn like moths to flames. Do we really want to light the flame? Once debt is paid, maybe they could be placed in a closed, gated community where they can live some sort of normal life without endangering everyone elses'. We don't need to be completely heartless, but surely something can be done to help those who can't defend themselves. This type of crime affects the victim for life - it should be made to do the same for the perpetrator. Failing that, have them placed near the politicians and others that advocate for their release or who don't lock them up in the first place. That should get some action!

JMHO

Smidgeon

[concernedperson]

:furious: I have been watching the news in recent weeks, the missing threads here, and amber alerts. And I have just about had it! How many more children will have to suffer at their handsI haven't heard a single word indicating that sexual offenders, against children (or adults, for that matter), can be "cured". Worse still, numerous posters have done searches for sexual offenders in there local areas and mentioned 50 here, twenty-some there, alot of them are among us.

Do we need any of these "offenders" running around loose in society? The sentences given for past convictions are laughably short or non-existent, and the ricidivism rate disgustingly high. In my opinion, these animals should be kept contained where they can do no harm, for the remainder of their lives. Even if they've paid their debt, that shouldn't mean that they be placed anywhere near potential victims. They are drawn like moths to flames. Do we really want to light the flame? Once debt is paid, maybe they could be placed in a closed, gated community where they can live some sort of normal life without endangering everyone elses'. We don't need to be completely heartless, but surely something can be done to help those who can't defend themselves. This type of crime affects the victim for life - it should be made to do the same for the perpetrator. Failing that, have them placed near the politicians and others that advocate for their release or who don't lock them up in the first place. That should get some action!

JMHO

Smidgeon

Maybe the laws should be changed and all sexual predators given life without parole.Particularly, in the case of children under 12. And, in the case of older children/adults in the event of force, alcohol/drugs, kidnapping, B&E, also life without parole. These crimes continue after the predators serve their often too short time. Time to get really hard on the criminal element. JMO.

[Miss Daisey]

Maybe the laws should be changed and all sexual predators given life without parole.Particularly, in the case of children under 12. And, in the case of older children/adults in the event of force, alcohol/drugs, kidnapping, B&E, also life without parole. These crimes continue after the predators serve their often too short time. Time to get really hard on the criminal element. JMO.
Agreed, CP....but I'd like to move that age up to 16. There's too many crimes against children to think that a child that's being cared for wouldn't be pretty naive under the age of 16.

[smidgeon]

I don't know the answer, but there are just too many of them among us and they continue to offend. I do feel that there are too many of them to be monitored effectively, and there doesn't seem to be any monitoring system that could stop them if they are bent on an attack.

JMHO

Smidgeon

[richandfamous]

The picture they're showing of David Onstott on Cnn.com doesn't even look like the same man that's been shown in the booking pictures.

Is this the same guy, or do they have the pictures mixed up somehow?

One looks like a picture of a white man, the other looks like a picture of a black man.

Yep, that's him. He does have a dark complexion...don't know what nationality he is. What nationality is "Onstott" anyway? Maybe spanish, arabic, greek...heck I don't know. Anybody know?

[richandfamous]

Not trying to be gross or anything, but if they had an argument and he choked her to death, why was she found just partially clothed? Was there something he left out of his confession or that they're not releasing?

JMHO

Smidgeon

Because he isn't telling the whole story...he is trying to act like it wasn't premeditated and he was "invited" in. He is not saying that the reason they "argued" is because he was trying to rape her. He already has justified what he has done...they all do!

[richandfamous]

Great Article from the Readers Digest 1991. Looks like these perps have been groomed over the years. This is why we have this happening now.

Free to Rape Again (http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/719442/posts)

[less0305]

It still absolutely floors me that we have Martha Stewart up there in her house with a damn ankle bracelet on......and all these freakin' sexual predators running around and we have no idea where they are or where they will be next. Now tell me exactly how it is that Martha Stewart is liable to cause any further problems, but a sex offender who is supposed to be "registered" can be anywhere. I think we have some priorities mixed up here!!!!! :bang:

[Miss Daisey]

It still absolutely floors me that we have Martha Stewart up there in her house with a damn ankle bracelet on......and all these freakin' sexual predators running around and we have no idea where they are or where they will be next. Now tell me exactly how it is that Martha Stewart is liable to cause any further problems, but a sex offender who is supposed to be "registered" can be anywhere. I think we have some priorities mixed up here!!!!! :bang:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: That's what I've been thinking too, less

Good post

[karmarama]

It still absolutely floors me that we have Martha Stewart up there in her house with a damn ankle bracelet on......and all these freakin' sexual predators running around and we have no idea where they are or where they will be next.
Great post!

I agree with you completely!

[richandfamous]

The gov keeps better track of library books than preditors.

[Juliana]

The justice system needs to be more focused on crime prevention and protecting the public from predators than on "punishing" those who violate any little law. Give me a break... Martha Stewart can't take a step outside her house to go to a friggin society ball without someone knowing about it, while child and sexual predators are free to roam. Makes no sense to me....

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Did anyone notice that the water level in one of the fish ponds was down?
Wonder why.
I know that it was mentioned that they were going to drain the pond today where her body was found in order to look for clues. Maybe that's the one?

[smidgeon]

The gov keeps better track of library books than preditors.
You've got that right. Actually it might be good to have them monitored by no-nonsense librarians rather than over-worked, under-staffed, or just plain worn down parole/probation staff.

However, if there is enough concern to register these creeps and supposedly be keeping track of them, shouldn't that be a clue that these "people" don't belong in our society at all?

I'll be honest, I don't want them around. I can't imagine that anyone with kids would either.

JMHO

Smidgeon

[CaliKid]

Jessica Lundsford, Jetseta Gage and now Sarah Lunde- all murdered by sexual misfits who should've been in prison, not preying on children. What is it going to take to make lawmakers pay attention to these criminals and lock them up where they can't hurt anyone again?

I agree with you, Smidgeon, I don't want them around my children in any way, shape or form.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

JerseyGirl, thanks for all the links!!!
You're very welcome, richandfamous. I wish we didn't have so many of these stories to discuss. You're absolutely right ... this wasn't a case of slipping through the cracks. This is unbelievably tragic. :(

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Because he isn't telling the whole story...he is trying to act like it wasn't premeditated and he was "invited" in. He is not saying that the reason they "argued" is because he was trying to rape her. He already has justified what he has done...they all do!
I think you're 100% right. He wants to make it look like a crime of passion, not first-degree murder.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Jessica Lundsford, Jetseta Gage and now Sarah Lunde- all murdered by sexual misfits who should've been in prison, not preying on children. What is it going to take to make lawmakers pay attention to these criminals and lock them up where they can't hurt anyone again?
Let me preface this by saying that there is no reason that this should be happening to our children. There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of such tragedies. But maybe the fact that these 3 crimes happened so close together in time will help legislators to understand how truly serious this problem is, and how imperative it is that we begin to look for new solutions.

[concernedperson]

Let me preface this by saying that there is no reason that this should be happening to our children. There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of such tragedies. But maybe the fact that these 3 crimes happened so close together in time will help legislators to understand how truly serious this problem is, and how imperative it is that we begin to look for new solutions.

That is our hope.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Man Confesses To Killing Girl: From The Tampa Tribune (http://www.tampatrib.com/MGB5IUH3O7E.html)

Sunday afternoon, Gee said the killer "went to great effort'' to put Sarah's body in the fish pond. He wouldn't say whether her body had been weighed down...



Kim Dodgen lives next door to the pond. She said her 9- year-old nephew, Brandon Peterson, first noticed something amiss Thursday night - more than 24 hours before the body was discovered...

After Dodgen returned from work Friday night, she said, she brought a deputy stationed nearby a tuna sandwich, a glass of tea and a piece of chocolate cake. She told the deputy about the smell coming from the pond, and the body was discovered hours later.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ABC News: Sex Offender Charged in Fla. Girl's Death (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=679011&page=2)

... (Mark) Lunsford had helped search for Sarah, saying some of her family had helped search for his daughter in February.

"It's sad that it takes something like this to bring a community together," Lunsford said. "America needs to wake up. The next child could be yours."

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13370)

Sheriff Gee says Onstott admits he was at the house looking for Kelly May last week. Kelly May was not home, and Sarah answered the door.

Sheriff David Gee:
“After entering the residence, the victim and the defendant became involved in a verbal confrontation. During the confrontation, the defendant put the victim in a chokehold, causing the victim to become unconscious, and eventually causing her death.”

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

CNN.com - Sheriff: Sex offender confesses in killing - Apr 17, 2005 (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/17/florida.girl/index.html?section=cnn_latest)

Onstott told police that between midnight and 5 a.m. April 10, he went to the family's house ...

The girl, who was alone in the house, invited him inside and became involved in a verbal confrontation with Onstott, which led him to put her in a choke hold ...

In addition to the charge of first-degree murder, "other charges are being reviewed at this time," Gee said.

Asked what made the man confess, the sheriff said, "I don't know..."

Someone had tried to weigh down the body so it would be hidden underwater, law enforcement sources said.

"It was clear from investigators who were at the scene that whoever put her there went to great effort to conceal her body," Gee said. "And right now, we are asking the public if they would assist us in any articles of clothing that you would see in this area..."

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Hugs, Tears Fill Sarah's Church - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBIR1J5O7E.html)

"She loved getting to know people,'' said 13-year-old Leslie, taking off her glasses to wipe away tears. "She loved making friends.''

Leslie's tears were replaced with a smile and a laugh as she remembered the first time she met Sarah.

"We met at the mailbox at the end of my driveway,'' Leslie said. "We became friends right away...''

Friends shared memories of the teenager with an inviting smile, who loved to sing, play volleyball and have sleepovers...

Sarah's mother, Kelly May, her 17-year-old brother, Andrew Lunde, and an uncle did not attend the memorial service but came to the church later to meet the crowd...

[richandfamous]

I just watched the video of the Andrew Lunde interview and something I picked up...Andrew Lunde knew about Onstott's past so I'm reasonably sure the rest of the family did also.

[packerdog]

Hi Rich, where is the video of Andrew Lunde ?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Hi Rich, where is the video of Andrew Lunde ?
Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13315)

WTSP Video (http://www.tampabays10.com/video/player.aspx?aid=17445&sid=13315&bw=hi)

[Marthatex]

If Onstott had not registered as sex offender, why couldn't they have arrested him sooner? How hard is it to check and make sure the sex offenders have registered?

Yes, she was neglected also. Mother out of town - brother going out "to get something to eat" between 12:00a.m. and 4:00a.m. Yeah. She had never been told not to open the door at night when alone?

Odd that the mother and brother didn't attend the memorial service, but came at the end. Really nice of Mark Lunsford to help search.

It's ridiculous that these scum are running loose with multiple offenses - assault, non-registration, drunk driving, obviously mentally ill - and Martha Stewart can't leave her home. What kind of point are we trying to make here?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

She had never been told not to open the door at night when alone?
I've seen it reported a couple of times that Onstott "broke into" the home but more reports state that Sarah let him in.

FOX news today showed Onstott in court. A reporter said that Onstott's claiming that when he went in, there was a "screaming match" that led to him choking her.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Porterville Recorder (http://www.portervillerecorder.com/articles/2005/04/18/ap/headlines/d89hs5n00.txt)

... Onstott didn't speak during his first court appearance on the murder charge Monday, when he was ordered held without bond. Prosecutor Mark Ober said there was no decision yet on the death penalty...


theBakersfieldchannel.com - News - Suspect Charged With Murder In Florida Girl's Death (http://www.thebakersfieldchannel.com/news/4388832/detail.html)

... Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee said on Sunday that Onstott confessed to killing the girl by breaking into her house and choking her to death...


KRQE News 13 - Sex offender charged with killing 13-year-old (http://www.krqe.com/archives/expanded.asp?RECORD_KEY%5bNews%5d=ID&ID%5BNews%5D=9585)

... The sheriff says Sarah let Onstott into the house when he came looking for her mother...

(I wonder what the real story is ... :waitasec: )

[Marthatex]

I've seen it reported a couple of times that Onstott "broke into" the home but more reports state that Sarah let him in.

FOX news today showed Onstott in court. A reporter said that Onstott's claiming that when he went in, there was a "screaming match" that led to him choking her.

Yeah, I'm sure he must have felt "threatened" by her. Kind of like Steven Barbee killed the pregnant woman who was kicking him.

Who knows how much alchol and/or drugs he had in his system also.

[dannyodie]

David Onstott, 36, was charged with first-degree murder Sunday, a day after investigators discovered Sarah Lunde's partially clothed remains in a fish pond. She had vanished a week earlier from her home in Ruskin. Authorities said Onstott confessed to killing her after an argument. the article later went on to say that she let him in, and an argument persued, he claimed that he put her in a choke hold which caused her death, making it sound as if that was the only reason she was killed, the fact that her body was found partially clothed indicates to me that he sexually assulted her. what bothers me besides her untimely death is. did this man sexually assult her alive or dead.? if he killed her just over an argument then why bother to partially remove her clothes? he had other things in mind when he went there to start with. he probably already knew that the mom was away and knew that sara would be home by herself at some point and time. did the home show some signs of a struggle? if it did then it never was mentioned, I can't believe that if he put her in a choke hold in the house, that she didn't struggle, any one that is being choked in that manner would be kicking and struggling to get loose in doing so would have most likely disturbed an area in the home that would be noticed. I think he only went there to abduct her for committing sexual assult on her, he probably did have some sort of words with her and maybe an argument did result, in the heat of the argument he probably just grabbed her and run out the door and forgot all about the beer bottle til later on. It is good that this creep left evidence behind had he not done so he might by now be in another state on the run. this should be a classic example of why offenders should be locked up for a very long time, the laws in 94 were probably much different than now, but I hope that the laws now will put him in the death seat. if he is ever let out on the street again another innocent life will certainly be lost. the only rehab for these creeps is life in prison, after all the families that are effected by their crimes are left in a prison of an other kind, " a life long agonany of loosing a precious part of their family " will always be in the back of their minds... with all my prayers for the family and all her friends, as a christian I know that this beautiful soul has gone home to the lord, I'am glad that this child took the time in her life to seek the lord and all the wonderful people she met by doing so, too bad that her family could have not been more functional.

[packerdog]

I think he is lying when he said she died when he had her in a choke hold, I think he strangled her and not in her home. Why would they be looking for her clothes. I think he molested her elsewhere and then killed her. I am sure they are testing her bedding and other stuff in the house.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

if he killed her just over an argument then why bother to partially remove her clothes?I wonder if there was any argument or physical confrontation in the house at all. He could very well have abducted her & sexually assaulted her, and then came up with what his sick mind thought might be a good reason just to avoid the death penalty. (I just noticed your post, packerdog - guess we were typing the same thing at the same time.)

He's obviously as dangerous as they come. Not only did he do this, he had the audacity to knock on the door and face Sarah's brother, knowing he had killed her & dumped her in a pond, (going through what they've been saying is great effort to avoid having her found). Then two days later, he's in a bar - (again, like Couey) - and gets in another confrontation, threatening someone with a screwdriver. He's a violent, dangerous lunatic who probably gave many signals as to what he was capable of. What a tragic shame that Sarah had to even know him.

[packerdog]

JerseyGirl, I agree with you that he made up a story so that he could avoid the DP. and also he doesn't want to admit that he is a pedophile. The sick bast***.

[richandfamous]

Hi Packerdog, good to see ya! 'member me?

In my opinion he is EVIL. I don't want to give him any room to wiggle and "sick" implies that he can't help it.

[packerdog]

richandfamous, I sure do remember you, I havent seen ya in awhile. I thought you lived in Florida, I see now you are in AZ. Maybe I have oldtimers.

[Sheromom]

I suppose it is possible that the mother didn't know the man was a sex offender but I just get sick thinking a parent would knowingly allow her child to be exposed to such a person.

[Gin]

I suppose it is possible that the mother didn't know the man was a sex offender but I just get sick thinking a parent would knowingly allow her child to be exposed to such a person.I guess my take is that while Mom was "having a life" this poor little girl was raising herself. It's so sad that for some, their own personal happiness is oodles more important than the safety and well being of the minors they are entrusted with.

It was a church that saw that Sarah was pretty much on her own, and made true efforts to give her a safe place to be, and evidently made her feel cared for and valued.

[richandfamous]

richandfamous, I sure do remember you, I havent seen ya in awhile. I thought you lived in Florida, I see now you are in AZ. Maybe I have oldtimers.

Always lived in AZ...lost all my money in the stock market so I had to go get a real job and they worked me 7 days a week for almost 2 years and now we are on furlough status until the end of May. Then it's back to 7 days a week...so I'm enjoying my time off and trying to catch up!
I am just now starting to read all the evidence links.

I see the creeps are still running amuck. I hope all this attention will bring change. (Like colonize them like lepars!) then kill the rest!

[richandfamous]

I suppose it is possible that the mother didn't know the man was a sex offender but I just get sick thinking a parent would knowingly allow her child to be exposed to such a person.

I just watched the video of the Andrew Lunde interview and something I picked up...Andrew Lunde knew about Onstott's past so I'm reasonably sure the rest of the family did also. So they are full of chit and tryin to cover their arse because they look really bad to almost everyone. jmo

Video link here!
Tampa Bay's 10 News (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13315)

WTSP Video (http://www.tampabays10.com/video/player.aspx?aid=17445&sid=13315&bw=hi)

[packerdog]

richandfamous, sorry to hear you have to work so hard. I never go to chat anymore, I am lucky to sneak in here. Good to see you.

[Sheromom]

Gin, I'm with you there. The sad thing is, I doubt that even charging them with a crime will make any difference. When my children were born I IMMEDIATELY felt a strong connection to them that I still feel intensely for each one of them. (My oldest is 30) I even feel that way about my grandkids. I am thinking that some women just do not have this bond with their children for whatever reason. I have always considered it instinct. I don't think it is something we can teach or force upon someone. Like animals, a certain percentage will just fail to care for their young. It does seem like in these situations, the other children would be sent to foster homes. So frustrating!

Rich and Famous,
Sorry for you. I have to work at Wal-Mart.:crazy: We'll make do.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Fox News just mentioned that the autopsy is partially complete, (lol - what the hell does partially complete mean? That's their oxymoron, not mine)! Nothing mentioned yet about the report which is currently being forwarded to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

Investigators have begun to drain the pond today.

They also said that the woman sitting next to Onstott in the courtroom is the best defense attorney in the area. I don't remember her name but apparently all but one of her defendants have escaped the death penalty. (Had they mentioned how many DP clients she's had, it may have been more or less impressive. :) ) I wonder what Onstott's work/financial status is ... how can he possibly afford the best attorney? The last I heard, he was drifting without a regular place to stay after breaking up with his wife.

[Gin]

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBQL8C1P7E.html

Onstott's attny is referenced at the end of this article. She's a public defender.

[Miss Daisey]

I read that his lawyer is a Public Defender. If she's as good as all that, Fla taxpayers are paying for his defense by someone who's won all but one of her DP cases. (that may be only two cases).
That guy isn't going anywhere but death row.

[richandfamous]

Rich and Famous,
Sorry for you. I have to work at Wal-Mart.:crazy: We'll make do.


LOL...thanks. Yep, I'm perfectly happy in my temporary modest poverty! I am such a big softy that I took in a fostor daughter much like little Sarah! But we'll get by, always do.

best regards,

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBQL8C1P7E.html

Onstott's attny is referenced at the end of this article. She's a public defender.Wow, strange how you can get such good representation for free but those of us that wouldn't qualify only get whatever we can afford. In my case, I certainly couldn't afford to hire someone of her caliber!

[richandfamous]

I read that his lawyer is a Public Defender. If she's as good as all that, Fla taxpayers are paying for his defense by someone who's won all but one of her DP cases. (that may be only two cases).
That guy isn't going anywhere but death row.


Miss Daisey, I like your attitude! LOL

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I read that his lawyer is a Public Defender. If she's as good as all that, Fla taxpayers are paying for his defense by someone who's won all but one of her DP cases. (that may be only two cases).
That guy isn't going anywhere but death row.From Gin's link:
Suspect In Lunde's Death Held Without Bond - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBQL8C1P7E.html)

Goins has represented 14 death penalty cases at trial. Of those, 12 were sentenced to life in prison, one had the charge reduced to second-degree murder and one was sentenced to death. In several other cases where the state sought the death penalty, Goins' clients took plea deals before trial, thereby eliminating the possibility of execution.

(So she's obviously good and experienced. The citizens will now pay this hefty price tag to try to save this guy that most of us don't want saved for what he did to that girl who we'd all be willing to pay to bring back. Pathetic.

I hope you're right about death row. I hope that his past record will, indeed, see to that.)

[Miss Daisey]

Miss Daisey, I like your attitude! LOL

I like your attitude too, richandfamous !!!!!!

Anyone that takes in a foster child in hard times is a STAR in my book!!!!

Hang in there. Better times are coming.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Miss Daisey]

Meeee tooooo, JerseyGirl.

Thanks for all the links. As usual, I'm behind again. Don't know what I'd do without ya'!!!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Meeee tooooo, JerseyGirl.

Thanks for all the links. As usual, I'm behind again. Don't know what I'd do without ya'!!!
You're welcome, of course, Miss Daisey! Thanks for making me feel so appreciated! :blowkiss:

[joanofarc]

I just watched the video of the Andrew Lunde interview and something I picked up...Andrew Lunde knew about Onstott's past so I'm reasonably sure the rest of the family did also. So they are full of chit and tryin to cover their arse because they look really bad to almost everyone. jmo

Yeah, I just had to chime in here and say....NICE BROTHER!! ...Sarah asks him to go & get her something to eat (probably no food in the house) and her brother goes to a restaurant by himself, and comes home a lot later to find her gone....:doh:....Then mom comes home, isn't worried because everyone else in the community looks after her child ....grrr...makes me furious:furious:

...Poor kid never stood a chance

[Miss Daisey]

Yeah, I just had to chime in here and say....NICE BROTHER!! ...Sarah asks him to go & get her something to eat (probably no food in the house) and her brother goes to a restaurant by himself, and comes home to find her gone....:doh:....Then mom comes home, isn't worried because everyone else in the community looks after her child ....grrr...makes me furious:furious:

...Poor kid never stood a chance

Isn't that the heartbreaking part of it all? If Mom had just been at home, maybe none of it would have happened. That's the haunting part. Bet it is for her, too.

[richandfamous]

Meeee tooooo, JerseyGirl.

Thanks for all the links. As usual, I'm behind again. Don't know what I'd do without ya'!!!

Ditto!!! Thanks, I love reading all the info if'n I don't get to tired lookin for em! LOL

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Ditto!!! Thanks, I love reading all the info if'n I don't get to tired lookin for em! LOL
I'm thinking of the days before the Associated Press when different newspapers actually had different articles! Anyone remember that? Now you literally have to scan through 15 pages of search results, and they all say the exact same thing!

I am glad you guys appreciate the links. Sometimes I worry that I might be posting too many. :blushing:

[richandfamous]

Isn't that the heartbreaking part of it all? If Mom had just been at home, maybe none of it would have happened. That's the haunting part. Bet it is for her, too.

Oh, I don't know........I think she's probably sad but more embarassed because everyone knows how irresponsible she is.
I also think the preacher and his wife and the youth pastor are feeling pretty bad about leaving her there...I'm not saying they are responsible but NO child should be dropped off to an empty house! At least that's the way it is in our church! I wouldn't want to be in their shoes either. jmo

[richandfamous]

I'm thinking of the days before the Associated Press when different newspapers actually had different articles! Anyone remember that? Now you literally have to scan through 15 pages of search results, and they all say the exact same thing!

I am glad you guys appreciate the links. Sometimes I worry that I might be posting too many. :blushing:

Oh boy, yeah! actual reporters that write their own stuff is a lost art!
Now they are just cut and paste artist!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml (http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml)

... Onstott's most recent girlfriend, Ashley Poston told the St. Petersburg Times that she does not believe he is guilty. She said she has trusted him with her two small children and there was never a problem.

"I just don't believe he did it at all," Poston told the newspaper. "He's not like that..."

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml (http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml)

The sheriff who led the search for a 13-year-old girl found slain over the weekend said Monday that investigators had a "gut feeling" that Sarah Lunde was in trouble and had not simply run away as she had in the past...

"I assure you this is a very significant case, not only in this county, this state but in this country," (state prosecutor) Ober said...

Gee said Onstott's recent arrest on failing to register as a sex offender had come during routine checks the sheriff's office makes on their whereabouts. Gee said that still didn't deter Onstott from going to the Lunde home.

"He knows he's been arrested for failure to report and he goes out in the middle of it," Gee said. "These are just a different class of criminal."

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

CBS News | No Bail For Fla. Murder Suspect | April 18, 2005 11:00:03 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/18/national/main688744.shtml)

"... I think that there are only two people that really know what happened during those early morning hours, and one of them can't tell us any more," Gee said on CBS News' The Early Show. "So we're getting his side of the story and I think we're going to have to wait for the forensic evidence to help us make a better determination of what actually happened..."

[richandfamous]

http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml (http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml)

... Onstott's most recent girlfriend, Ashley Poston told the St. Petersburg Times that she does not believe he is guilty. She said she has trusted him with her two small children and there was never a problem.

"I just don't believe he did it at all," Poston told the newspaper. "He's not like that..."

geesus...another stupid woman! And she's too stupid to just shut up! They should take her children away for putting them in harms way!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Some photos:

CBSNews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2005/04/15/in_depth_us/photoessay688481.shtml)

[Juliana]

I also think the preacher and his wife and the youth pastor are feeling pretty bad about leaving her there...I'm not saying they are responsible but

One of the articles I read yesterday said Sarah asked to spend that night with her friend. Her friend's parents said no because Sarah and the friend had been spending a lot of time together and the believed they would see each other at church the next morning anyway. The friend's dad was really torn up about it.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

CBSNews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/children/framesource.html) (Children in Danger)

Includes warning signs, state by state data, & resources.



CBSNews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/abduction/framesource.html) (Missing Children in America)

Includes victim & predator profiles, abduction facts, and tips for predator protection.



Both links are clear, concise, and worth checking out.

[PrayersForMaura]

Hugs, Tears Fill Sarah's Church - from TBO.com (http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBIR1J5O7E.html)

"She loved getting to know people,'' said 13-year-old Leslie, taking off her glasses to wipe away tears. "She loved making friends.''

Leslie's tears were replaced with a smile and a laugh as she remembered the first time she met Sarah.

"We met at the mailbox at the end of my driveway,'' Leslie said. "We became friends right away...''

Friends shared memories of the teenager with an inviting smile, who loved to sing, play volleyball and have sleepovers...

Sarah's mother, Kelly May, her 17-year-old brother, Andrew Lunde, and an uncle did not attend the memorial service but came to the church later to meet the crowd...
Boy what a loving family... they didn't even attend a memorial service for her.

This poor little girl.... I tell ya. Like someone else posted, she never had a chance :(

[richandfamous]

http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml (http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml)

... Onstott's most recent girlfriend, Ashley Poston told the St. Petersburg Times that she does not believe he is guilty. She said she has trusted him with her two small children and there was never a problem.

"I just don't believe he did it at all," Poston told the newspaper. "He's not like that..."

I suppose ashley poston thinks Sarah brought it on herself!

I also suppose the next thing we hear from her is..."But I love him!"
omg if I hear that one more time, I will scream!

[PrayersForMaura]

Some photos:

CBSNews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2005/04/15/in_depth_us/photoessay688481.shtml)


Interesting photos, thanks for the link.

Look at picture 19 and picture 20... picture 19 is the mom and uncle, appearing to me smiling slightly and picture 20 is of two church goers appearing to be mourning .... totally different impression from #19 to #20. The difference in the emotions within the photos almost speaks louder than words.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I suppose ashley poston thinks Sarah brought it on herself!Yeah, isn't that something??? I wish they stated when this interview was. Is she saying that she doesn't believe it after it was reported that he confessed? I'll tell you what ... it wouldn't hurt to say a couple of prayers for her children. If she's naive enough to believe that "he's not like that" after he confessed, her children will need some extra help to make it to adulthood safely. Her radar is most definitely broken.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Look at picture 19 and picture 20... picture 19 is the mom and uncle, appearing to me smiling slightly and picture 20 is of two church goers appearing to be mourning .... totally different impression from #19 to #20. The difference in the emotions within the photos almost speaks louder than words.I wasn't going to say it but those photos, especially in succession, stood out to me as well. I wonder if those particular photos in that particular order were intentional by whomever put that slideshow together.

[fran]

http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml (http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml)

... Onstott's most recent girlfriend, Ashley Poston told the St. Petersburg Times that she does not believe he is guilty. She said she has trusted him with her two small children and there was never a problem.

"I just don't believe he did it at all," Poston told the newspaper. "He's not like that..."


Well, since he confessed to killing her, she's 100% wrong. :loser: He did do it!

As for leaving her two small children with a registered, convicted, sex offender, hope her ex sees this article and files for custody of those two little ones. :banghead: At the least, she needs to be checked out by child protection.

Her lack of common sense is outrageous! :waitasec:

JMHO
fran

[richandfamous]

One of the articles I read yesterday said Sarah asked to spend that night with her friend. Her friend's parents said no because Sarah and the friend had been spending a lot of time together and the believed they would see each other at church the next morning anyway. The friend's dad was really torn up about it.

I know they are and I'm glad it isn't me. That's how I ended up with a foster daughter...she was in a situation much the same as Sarah and I wouldn't leave her there. I just took her home and she's been here ever since. I'm not perfect but Thank Gawd I made the right choice this time! It just breaks my heart that Sarah had all those people (mother, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, pastors, youth leaders, etc.) and someone didn't step up to the plate! I bet they do the next time! I hope they do!

[joanofarc]

One of the articles I read yesterday said Sarah asked to spend that night with her friend. Her friend's parents said no because Sarah and the friend had been spending a lot of time together and the believed they would see each other at church the next morning anyway. The friend's dad was really torn up about it.
You know what the sad part is, is that Sarah probably spent so much time there that it become a necessity for the parents to say no, you need to go home....

[KatherineQ]

I don't think it's fair to blame the brother. He's a 17 year old boy, and they're totally self-absorbed.

He didn't create this mess, he's dodging that jackass Onstott TOO, he's had to grow himself up by himself too. He was there alone in the trailer by design - no one misunderstood where he was - he was left alone.

He didn't cause this. He's a victim too. That there was no food in the house at midnight (maybe there actually was a lot of food, we don't know, maybe she wanted something different) wasn't his fault.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

He didn't create this mess, he's dodging that jackass Onstott TOO, he's had to grow himself up by himself too. He was there alone in the trailer by design - no one misunderstood where he was - he was left alone.
I totally agree. And consider what he's learned. Since they've apparently been left alone frequently, how would he know any better? That's what he's lived so that's how he behaves.

[richandfamous]

You know what the sad part is, is that Sarah probably spent so much time there that it become a necessity for the parents to say no, you need to go home....

Considering what happened, I would rather keep the girl. In this case Her necessity to stay is more important than my necessity for her to go. At least try to make other arraingments for her if I can't take her. I'm sorry, I'm not blaming these people for not taking care of a kid that wasn't theirs but I think they all knew the circumstances of Sarah's existance. I guess I'm just hoping that if another kid comes along in any of our lives that needs a safe place, we will be more willing to provide it.

[kk's mom]

http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml (http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d89i0j1o0.xml)

... Onstott's most recent girlfriend, Ashley Poston told the St. Petersburg Times that she does not believe he is guilty. She said she has trusted him with her two small children and there was never a problem.

"I just don't believe he did it at all," Poston told the newspaper. "He's not like that..."

Okay, so what part doesn't she get when the Sheriff said he CONFESSED!!!

[kk's mom]

Interesting photos, thanks for the link.

Look at picture 19 and picture 20... picture 19 is the mom and uncle, appearing to me smiling slightly and picture 20 is of two church goers appearing to be mourning .... totally different impression from #19 to #20. The difference in the emotions within the photos almost speaks louder than words.

I noticed the same thing but wasn't going to say anything!