GA-Missing Georgia Toddlers FOUND

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/politics/11478604.htm

[Cypros]

"Nicole was described as 30 inches tall with shoulder-length blond hair. She may have some hair missing in front because of a burn"

?????!!! I can't help but wonder about THAT statement.

I think when two children go missing from their own home at the same time it is suspicious. However, I suppose, since there are many ponds in the area, that one child may have fallen in the water and the other one went in to help and they both drowned....

Let's hope for the best for these two little tykes.

[PrayersForMaura]

"Nicole was described as 30 inches tall with shoulder-length blond hair. She may have some hair missing in front because of a burn"

?????!!! I can't help but wonder about THAT statement.

I think when two children go missing from their own home at the same time it is suspicious. However, I suppose, since there are many ponds in the area, that one child may have fallen in the water and the other one went in to help and they both drowned....

Let's hope for the best for these two little tykes.
Not only is the burn on the head odd but that she "may: have hair missing. May? Doesn't the mother know?? How can you lose sight of two toddlers? That's terrible!!

[Sheromom]

This is going to be a bad one; I can just tell. At two and three, you can't turn your back for a second!:mad:

[Jovin]

That's what I'm wondering. How can you not be watching these two young children more closely, unless they are out where they're used to being able to have the kids in the yard without worrying about neighbours around.

I'd like to know more about just where they are situated. This is not good at all, with the temps dropping like that! I definitely took notice also of the "burn" and possibly hair missing...sounds suspicious, right?

The poor little children that have to suffer in this world, so innocently. It's so hard to read about this...God be with them.

[TisHerself]

Oh Lord 2 more babies, I agree does not sound good, praying for them.

[Cypros]

Yeah, "MAY have hair missing" is an odd way of putting it. That may be the police's statement, though, and not the mother's. If the mother isn't sure if hair is missing there is something very wrong. I am sure that the police are giving the parents serious attention.

[Jovin]

the mother....the father was at work, but I would really like to know where she was....how far away from them she was...was she on the phone perhaps and preoccupied for longer than she realized without checking on them?

Were they on a swing set, were they playing with any other children? Was there anyone else in the area that she's aware of? Lord..I hope this isn't a situation involving her. Forgive me for even voicing that thought, but it does occur at a time like this.

[TisHerself]

the mother....the father was at work, but I would really like to know where she was....how far away from them she was...was she on the phone perhaps and preoccupied for longer than she realized without checking on them?

Were they on a swing set, were they playing with any other children? Was there anyone else in the area that she's aware of? Lord..I hope this isn't a situation involving her. Forgive me for even voicing that thought, but it does occur at a time like this.
I would think because it is 2 children there would have to be more than 1 person if it is a stranger abduction. You would expect at least 1of them to cry if they were being taken. They would have to have a car, they never put out an Amber Alert which means the mother never saw one. Jovin I also don't like saying it either but ir is looking like the mother to me I hope I am wrong.

[Jovin]

I would think because it is 2 children there would have to be more than 1 person if it is a stranger abduction. You would expect at least 1of them to cry if they were being taken. They would have to have a car, they never put out an Amber Alert which means the mother never saw one. Jovin I also don't like saying it either but ir is looking like the mother to me I hope I am wrong.

I know! Being mothers, we just don't want to even think of it! But I'm worried...I'm hoping that there's some more info soon...they're talking about it constantly on Fox News.....God, I hope they're okay...but what are the chances after so long in those temps? Well, it's not impossible..they could have crawled into or under something and huddled together....maybe we'll get some good word today and SOON.

Prayers for these cute little babies.

[Jovin]

that they were in the livingroom.......the mother went into another part of the house, came back and the front door was open and they were gone.

This from Fox News...Georgia Bureau of Investigation person being interviewed...the reason the hair is missing is because the little girl had played with some hair removal product...???? before we heard it was because of a burn, NO?

[Sassygerl]

On Fox it was just stated that the little girl has a bald spot on her forehead area from playing with hair remover....????? HUH? It was a burn, now hair remover??? The whole thing sounds fishy to me.....I hate to jump the gun here, but am curious to know more about the mother. I hope they find these toddlers safe!

[Jovin]

but maybe it's just the way it was reported in the media...I suppose we should hold off and give her the benefit of the doubt...more on Fox now.....they keep talking about it all the time..it's heartbreaking!

[bulletgirl2002]

Warrenton is VERY rural. I guess Warren County has about 3,000 people. It is one of the poorest counties in Georgia. I don't know exactly where they live, but when I lived there we used to joke with a man that lived down out road about a mile and say he was our next door neighbor. I can see kids wandering off and getting lost. It did not get very cold last night so I am praying they are just lost.

[Jovin]

these kids weren't dressed for those temps....I hope to God they're okay....let's not even think of what could have happened.

[PrayersForMaura]

these kids weren't dressed for those temps....I hope to God they're okay....let's not even think of what could have happened.
I am praying for them. This is so sad... They could've gotten lost outdoors and are frightened!

There are no wild animals in the area are there?? Oh no....

[Jovin]

I am praying for them. This is so sad... They could've gotten lost outdoors and are frightened!

There are no wild animals in the area are there?? Oh no....

I would think there are alot of wild animals if it's very rural.....I don't want to think about it.

[Sassygerl]

Has anyone heard how long the mother was evidently in another part of the house? The whole story strikes me as odd. I hope I'm wrong (in thinking the mother might be involved...can't help it though)...I hope they find these children huddled together safe!

[Jovin]

I had heard that they were missing from their yard, until this last interview with the GBI agent. He said the livingroom. I only know what he said...he didn't specify how long she was in another part of the house..that's all he said.

[Sassygerl]

I had heard that they were missing from their yard, until this last interview with the GBI agent. He said the livingroom. I only know what he said...he didn't specify how long she was in another part of the house..that's all he said.

I heard that interview...the kids were in the living room, she was in another part of the house and came back to the living area and the kids were gone and front door open.......I just wonder was she napping???? Was she just putting laundry away? Wish they'd mention times.....it makes a huge difference IMO!

[Jovin]

I wish we could see the mother on tv, because you can pick up alot sometimes on actually seeing someone who's going through that type of situation. I wouldn't wish it on ANY mother or father!

I'm so glad my kids are grown!

[amandab]

On Fox it was just stated that the little girl has a bald spot on her forehead area from playing with hair remover....????? HUH? It was a burn, now hair remover??? The whole thing sounds fishy to me.....I hate to jump the gun here, but am curious to know more about the mother. I hope they find these toddlers safe!

Maybe it's a chemical burn from the hair removal stuff?

[Sassygerl]

I was cooking and trying to hear what's going on, but what I heard is that the ground search is being called off?...did I hear that right? And that they are questioning the mother more. I don't know who was speaking, but the man said it was odd that the kids were just gone after the mother said she had just stepped out of the room. I'm sure someone else heard this more accurately than I did!!!!!! Back to the kitchen :)

[Jovin]

I had just flipped back to Fox News and thought I heard that same thing..."called off" or stalled or something till they question the mother more...something to that effect.....sounds like we might have picked up on this right from the start...I just hope they're okay!

[PrayersForMaura]

I had just flipped back to Fox News and thought I heard that same thing..."called off" or stalled or something till they question the mother more...something to that effect.....sounds like we might have picked up on this right from the start...I just hope they're okay!
I am hoping she did not drown them :(

[Jovin]

mother had lie detector test...don't know if she passed.... he thinks she had nothing to do with it..she's a good mother to those kids...she's at the police station now...

She was in the bathroom...yelled for kids four times...no noise...came out and the front door was open. Kids can open the door the father said.

He sounds really upset....he delivered the girl at home...his son is his "little buddy" ...he helped in the search.

He knows they didn't walk off. He stayed out in the front yard all night and looked at the trees and watched the temp...walked down to the pond area .....sounds like he's really tortured.

[PrayersForMaura]

mother had lie detector test...don't know if she passed.... he thinks she had nothing to do with it..she's a good mother to those kids...she's at the police station now...

She was in the bathroom...yelled for kids four times...no noise...came out and the front door was open. Kids can open the door the father said.

He sounds really upset....he delivered the girl at home...his son is his "little buddy" ...he helped in the search.

He knows they didn't walk off. He stayed out in the front yard all night and looked at the trees and watched the temp...walked down to the pond area .....sounds like he's really tortured.
I wonder how big the house is.... no chance they are locked somewhere or something? An attic or a basement?

[PrayersForMaura]

Fox just said new developments on the case coming up after commercial break.

[Jovin]

I wonder how big the house is.... no chance they are locked somewhere or something? An attic or a basement?

I would sure hope that that house has been turned upside down, as well as any fridges in the basement and trunks..and outside sheds...I'd think they're pretty smart about things like that.

Lord, I feel so horrible for these kids....funny how they made the mother take a lie detector test...or is it? I don't know...I sure hope she's not the guilty party in this....I hope they've just wandered off and will be found soon..alive and well, and just hungry...Pray for those children.

[PrayersForMaura]

no one has been eliminated yet ... according to GA Bureau of Investigation.
GBI has no comment really, so the interview is really pointless....

[PrayersForMaura]

GBI says no registered sex offenders live in the area

[Jovin]

to give the searchers a break...this is so upsetting! It's still daylight and someone should be still searching! (I'm afraid this GBI agent is not telling us the whole reason the search was called off at this time)...they probably have a good idea of what's happened, but he did say that the mother is now home....

[kgeaux]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154453,00.html

Just a link that states that the search is being called off while the cops question the mom. Those poor babies. I hope and pray they are found alive, but it is not looking good. God be with them.

[Jovin]

no one has been eliminated yet ... according to GA Bureau of Investigation.
GBI has no comment really, so the interview is really pointless....

That's the frustrating part..they give interviews but can't comment on so much...I know they get hounded by the media, but it's so maddening to keep hearing that they can't reveal this..they can't rule out the mother.. DARN!

[Jovin]

that they stopped the search in the afternoon to question the mother?? Oh, come on! A search doesn't have to be stopped to question anyone! There's more behind that story than what they're telling us....you can bet on that!

[kgeaux]

that they stopped the search in the afternoon to question the mother?? Oh, come on! A search doesn't have to be stopped to question anyone! There's more behind that story than what they're telling us....you can bet on that!


I totally agree, Jovin. I am afraid that LE has a strong belief that they KNOW what happened to these babies, how else could they call off the search?

[concernedperson]

No other reason to call off the search unless they know something. It is still daylight and I am sure any number of people would be volunteering. It just looks so bad. Those kids are just adorable. What happened to them?

[Jovin]

the agent said she's home now, so I wonder what she's telling her fiance...they aren't married, but they're the parents of the kids. It sure sounds like the father doesn't suspect her, but who knows ....maybe he'll become aware of some of the things she might have told law enforcement that didn't make sense to him, or maybe contradicts what she originally told him, and he might catch her in a couple of comments that could cause some real discussions in that house right now.

I can't imagine, being a parent and knowing that it's still daylight and they're not searching! Another night is coming....I'd be out there screaming and ranting for anyone to help....this isn't sounding right...they'll have to explain to him why they've called it off...what good reason they have.

[KatherineQ]

It seems like there is no way a search for these children would be called off, without pretty solid proof of what happened to them. I can't imagine this is just a "hunch" on the part of the cops.

So sad.

[bulletgirl2002]

Does anyone know the parent's names? I saw that the kids last names were Kain. It has been several years since I lived there, but I knew almost everyone in that little town. I seem to remember another child with that last name that drowned a few years back.

[bulletgirl2002]

that they stopped the search in the afternoon to question the mother?? Oh, come on! A search doesn't have to be stopped to question anyone! There's more behind that story than what they're telling us....you can bet on that!

They only have a sheriff and two deputies, so I can see it being called off due to manpower issues.....They don't have the local personnel to handle it. And probably the GBI is there and there just is not enough personnel to not call off the search while they are questioning the mother.

[Meech]

Added Does anyone know the parent's names? I saw that the kids last names were Kain. It has been several years since I lived there, but I knew almost everyone in that little town. I seem to remember another child with that last name that drowned a few years back.
Ms. Lottie Kain and Dennis Payne, Jonah and Nicole's father

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=36029

[Sassygerl]

Does anyone know the parent's names? I saw that the kids last names were Kain. It has been several years since I lived there, but I knew almost everyone in that little town. I seem to remember another child with that last name that drowned a few years back.

That gave me the heebie jeebs......interesting. I sure hope that isn't the fate that met these two little ones. I tried to find a news story regarding a drowning, but couldn't find one. Let us know if you remember anything else, or hear anything from old friends who are locals.

[bulletgirl2002]

That gave me the heebie jeebs......interesting. I sure hope that isn't the fate that met these two little ones. I tried to find a news story regarding a drowning, but couldn't find one. Let us know if you remember anything else, or hear anything from old friends who are locals.
I will. I tried to call someone a few minutes ago but no answer. I don't remember there being anything suspicious about the drowning though. I remember it being just a tragic accident.

[blueclouds]

How do two toddlers go missing? HOW? OMG!!!!! I mean, even other people? How do they not spot two toddlers alone outside? This is horrific.

[englishleigh]

I really, really hope & pray this mother did not do something to these babies. They are so precious!! Prayers that these little angels will be found safe and sound and that the mom had nothing to do with it. Awful, awful situation. If these parents knew these toddlers could open the door, they should have had it locked or secured in some way.

[KatherineQ]

I don't buy the idea that the reason they halted the search was so they could question the mother, and had to halt the search because the law was tied up with the mother.

Georgia Bureau of Investigation officers questioned the mother. The sheriff and local cops could still have been searching.

If there had really been any reason to do so. The only time other than this I remember a search was called off right away was that horrible couple who beat their daughter to death and then claimed they lost her at a flea market in California last year. I guess the other kids that were with them said she never was on the trip, so they knew not to look.

Two babies, out in the cold - they'd call in all eyes and ears to come help look if there was anything to look for.

In my opinon.

[Sassygerl]

I am not finding any news on this case on TV!!!! I hate Sunday night news....arrgh. Has anyone noticed these kids look completely different???...I just don't see them having them same father, although I haven't seen pics of either parent. They just look totally different!!!

[Jovin]

I am not finding any news on this case on TV!!!! I hate Sunday night news....arrgh. Has anyone noticed these kids look completely different???...I just don't see them having them same father, although I haven't seen pics of either parent. They just look totally different!!!

I never took notice of it before, but they really do. As far as news tonight, I had been flipping channels and Fox was doing something on it, but I got tired of tv and turned it off..nothing will happen tonight now..dear God, unless the mother should come up with a confession or so.

I'd better put my Fox News Ticker on the bottom of my screen...I don't use it all the time, but I think I'll do it now.

[Jovin]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154453,00.html in case you want to look at it.

[browneyes]

This just makes me so mad! I hope and pray the mother didn't have anything to do with it. If she didn't, why in the world would you leave a 2 and 3 year old unattended in the living room when you know they can open the door. LOCK THE DOOR for heavens sake!! Put them in a play pen until you can get back. I just don't know what some people are thinking when things like this happen. :mad:

I certainly don't blame the grandparents for Couey abducting Jessica, but why in the world don't people check their doors before going to bed? Mr. B and I always check our doors before going to bed.....and we were even more diligent when our children were young and lived at home. It just takes a few extra seconds to be safe.

[Sassygerl]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154453,00.html in case you want to look at it.

Thanks Jovin...I'll check it out. I can always rely on you when the news isn't reporting.....:blowkiss:

[Jovin]

when my grandchildren were toddlers, my daughter and her husband didn't take any chances. Trust me, these two were not well disciplined, so I did worry about that.

My SIL put a slide bolt (old fashioned type) at the top of the door on each door going outside.

Smart, huh?

[Jovin]

Thanks Jovin...I'll check it out. I can always rely on you when the news isn't reporting.....:blowkiss:

Really? I didn't know that. I guess I'm usually awake..and have the tv on..never watch anything but news normally....tonight I just got fed up with the same stuff....and it is Sunday...not the same at all.

[Sassygerl]

This just makes me so mad! I hope and pray the mother didn't have anything to do with it. If she didn't, why in the world would you leave a 2 and 3 year old unattended in the living room when you know they can open the door. LOCK THE DOOR for heavens sake!! Put them in a play pen until you can get back. I just don't know what some people are thinking when things like this happen. :mad:

The fiance said she went to use the bathroom, something many moms do everyday.....I know I did!!!! :D We did install a latch at the top of the door when my boys were young after they opened the door to solicitors while I was blowing my hair dry......I was horrified!!!!! They were 3 and 1 1/2 at the time and opened the door. This was 9 years ago and thankfully had a dog who was barking like crazy. It freaked me out!!!!!

There is much more to this story.....we will hear about it tomorrow......poor babies......:( I pray they find them safe, but it doesn't feel right....or good.

[browneyes]

when my grandchildren were toddlers, my daughter and her husband didn't take any chances. Trust me, these two were not well disciplined, so I did worry about that.

My SIL put a slide bolt (old fashioned type) at the top of the door on each door going outside.

Smart, huh?


That is very smart Jovin. Children depend on adults to keep them safe. As I said, it only takes a few minutes to do what it takes to keep your children safe.

When my children were small, we put a door going down to our basement that automatically shut...kinda like a screen door works. We also had a lock installed high on the door. That way no one could forget and leave the door open. You just cannot be too careful when it comes to children.

[Jovin]

the tv's back on! I put Larry King on (rerun) it's 12 midnight here.. I can't stand him but the program is on "what happens when you die?"

That subject interests me....

[teedie2]

I am not finding any news on this case on TV!!!! I hate Sunday night news....arrgh. Has anyone noticed these kids look completely different???...I just don't see them having them same father, although I haven't seen pics of either parent. They just look totally different!!!

Maybe one looks like the mother, and one looks like the father. ?

[lauriej]

Originally Posted by Sassygerl
I am not finding any news on this case on TV!!!! I hate Sunday night news....arrgh. Has anyone noticed these kids look completely different???...I just don't see them having them same father, although I haven't seen pics of either parent. They just look totally different!!!

Maybe one looks like the mother, and one looks like the father. ?

.................agreed on that.....my x is swedish, i have one daughter blonde and blue-eyed, the other dark and hazel-eyed...........same parents...2 wayyyyy different looks.....

......it IS worrisome that the dogs have come up with nothing, divers have been called in.................poor little kids.....

[Cypros]

Has anyone noticed these kids look completely different???...I just don't see them having them same father, although I haven't seen pics of either parent. They just look totally different!!!

I agree that they look very different from each other, but it may be that each favors a different parent. Years ago I knew a woman who was of Irish descent whose husband was from the Philippines. Their eldest son looked like the father--black hair, dark eyes, and darker-complected skin. The youngest was VERY white, had green eyes, and red hair -- looked JUST like mom! The two boys didn't look a thing alike. I felt so sorry for the mother because she was constantly being asked if the oldest boy was adopted. Nobody ever thought she was his mother. LOL!

[KatherineQ]

I don't think they have the same biological parents, but I don't know that that's pertinent here.

This man is her "fiance", her children have her last name, not his, this isn't a stable family with the same mommy and daddy looking over the kids. If she cranked out two kids by the same man and he didn't give his name to the kids, or marry the mom . . . this isn't the best of situations either way.

I get the impression he's kind of new on the scene and he has nothing to do with these kids disappearing.

Prayers for them, it seems a little hopeless at this point. It seems the mother knows what happened to them.

[Jovin]

said that they'd only lived there about a year...but I'm sure the father referred to them as his kids and he was begging and sounding upset. He admitted he was the fiance though.

[Meech]

Mr. Payne, who is engaged to and lives with Ms. Kain, said he was working in Thomson at a gas station when the children's mother called him to say that Nicole and Jonah were gone.

Standing outside the home where he and the children have lived for less than a year, Mr. Payne expressed the belief that someone had abducted his son and daughter.

"When they leave, they leave the gate open," he said. Authorities found the gate closed but unlatched.

Mr. Payne and Ms. Kain lived in Arizona before moving to Gibson, Ga., which is where Brenda Johnson met them four years ago.

On Sunday, Ms. Johnson and family friend Laura Pennington said that they couldn't fathom Jonah and Nicole just leaving - particularly together.

"I never saw them play together - they were so sick of the other one. If they're together, someone snatched them," Ms. Pennington said. "And I don't know them to just take off and go up the road. They knew their limits."

Besides Ms. Kain, the last people to see the children were neighbors who saw them playing outside at about 4 p.m.

Agent Nicholson said Ms. Kain told police that she and the children came inside shortly after 4 p.m. and were in the house until she noticed the children were gone. Witnesses said there was no vehicle traffic on Lake Road at the time of the children's disappearance, according to Chief McClain.

http://augustachronicle.com/images/headlines/042505/46719_180.jpg (http://augustachronicle.com/images/headlines/042505/46719_512.jpg)

My HEART go out to this Father...Sad picture

Dennis Payne looks at photos of his missing children, Nicole, 2, and Jonah, 3, from the porch of their home in Warrenton.


Full Story http://augustachronicle.com/stories/042505/met_3984125.shtml

[Sheromom]

What is this "when they leave, they leave the gate open" business? Evidently, they have left before. And I can't believe they wouldn't be playing together at that age. This is the screwiest story I have ever heard!

[PrayersForMaura]

What is this "when they leave, they leave the gate open" business? Evidently, they have left before. And I can't believe they wouldn't be playing together at that age. This is the screwiest story I have ever heard!
I agree!! Screwy story!!
Why did they move from Arizona to Georgia?
I'm just curious....

[Bobbisangel]

that they were in the livingroom.......the mother went into another part of the house, came back and the front door was open and they were gone.

This from Fox News...Georgia Bureau of Investigation person being interviewed...the reason the hair is missing is because the little girl had played with some hair removal product...???? before we heard it was because of a burn, NO?


Maybe the hair removal product burned the little girl's head. Two year olds are into everything.

In the one article it said that the investigation was stopped while the mom was questioned...why stop it while they talk to the mom???? That doesn't make any sense. No Amber alert because the mom doesn't have any idea who took them. Same thing with the other young girl recently....she ended up dead for God's sake. All they have to do is get the pictures of the kids out there. If kids disappear or are taken how often does someone see who took them. That law needs to be changed.

I hope and pray these two little ones are found healthy and whole.

[Bobbisangel]

I heard that interview...the kids were in the living room, she was in another part of the house and came back to the living area and the kids were gone and front door open.......I just wonder was she napping???? Was she just putting laundry away? Wish they'd mention times.....it makes a huge difference IMO!


As a mother who raised four kids who were in stair steps there were numerous times that I was in a different room than my kids. I never worried about them taking off when my back was turned...probably didn't even give it a thought. How many mothers have their kids right by their sides all day long until the kids are tucked in bed??? Probably not any of us.

Kids are in the living room watching cartoons while mom is in the kitchen fixing a meal, cleaning, or doing dishes. In the bedroom making the bed or cleaning the bathroom. I don't know of any mother who stays in the same room as her kids every minute of the day. We watch them outside but our homes are supposed to be safe....and they usually are.

I don't see anything that points to the mother as of right now. So she was in another room than the kids. Sounds pretty normal to me. It's not her fault if the kids snuck outside.

[Bobbisangel]

Sounds to me like the two little kids belong to this particular man and woman. The news report said that a lady met them when they lived in Arizona FOUR years ago. The little boy is 3 yrs so he must belong to the dad. Little girl is 2 so the couple were together when both kids were born.

Just because these parents live together and the children don't carry his last name even though they must be his doesn't mean they don't have a stable home. What does the parents not being married have to do with their home being stable? There are a lot of married parents who have unstable homes.
In this day and age there are a lot of couples who don't bother to get married and whose kids don't carry the dad's last name. We may not agree with the lifestyle but it doesn't make the parents bad parents or their homes unstable. It is just the way of the world these days with couples of all ages.

[concernedperson]

GBI will have a news conference at 10 am per CNN.

[CinnamonGirl]

This doesn't sound good,hope it's not going to be another Susan Smith.

[mysteriew]

I wonder how in depth the talking with the neighbors went? The article states that the neighbors saw the children until they went in at 4PM.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

the mother....the father was at work, but I would really like to know where she was....how far away from them she was...was she on the phone perhaps and preoccupied for longer than she realized without checking on them?

Were they on a swing set, were they playing with any other children? Was there anyone else in the area that she's aware of? Lord..I hope this isn't a situation involving her. Forgive me for even voicing that thought, but it does occur at a time like this.I'm just beginning to read this thread because I just heard about this on the news this morning ... I was out all day yesterday. Please forgive me if this has already been provided but here's what I've read:

FOXNews.com - U.S. & World - Cops Question Missing Ga. Toddlers' Mom (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154453,00.html)

Authorities temporarily halted the search for a 2-year-old girl and her 3-year-old-brother while state investigators questioned their mother, Lottie Kain.

The kids' dad, Dennis Payne, told FOX News that he didn't believe his fiancée did anything to hurt the children.

Payne said Kain was in the bathroom when she heard something, and when she went out the kids, Jonah and Nicole Kain, were gone and the door was open...

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Two babies, out in the cold - they'd call in all eyes and ears to come help look if there was anything to look for.
I totally agree, Katherine. Every single person in that area would probably be willing to help if it was simply a manpower issue, and I'm sure they could call in some volunteer search groups if need be. There are definitely numbers they can call to get people together & searching.

I am reserving my judgement about suspects for now but I definitely don't think that they would call off that search for any reason other than knowing that they aren't going to find them. They are 2 and 3 years old, missing on a 30-something degree night ... no way they're going to give up on finding them without a good reason.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

This man is her "fiance", her children have her last name, not his, this isn't a stable family with the same mommy and daddy looking over the kids. If she cranked out two kids by the same man and he didn't give his name to the kids, or marry the mom . . . this isn't the best of situations either way.
I kept my maiden name, and all of my children have my last name. My husband is the father of all of them. We live in a fairly affluent suburb, (we're the poor ones on the block!), and are both college-graduated. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can't really make any judgements based on the last name that the children have.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I get the impression he's kind of new on the scene and he has nothing to do with these kids disappearing.
I'm really confused. I thought that an earlier article mentioned that Mr. Payne had delivered his daughter at home. Another article has a former neighbor saying that she met the couple four years ago. Am I missing something because from what I've read, it sounds like this is the biological father of these children? :waitasec:

[Camper]

There are parents and there are parents. I had 8 babies in 11 years!! I wore the carpet out walking through the rooms checking on what everyone was doing. Because I loved them to death, and cared about them every moment I was awake. I had two in diapers for ten years!!!! Not the same two!

We lived in a remote rural area as well.

I will give this mom a pass however, on the bathroom situation. Even the queen of England goes to the bathroom.

IF the search is still discontinued, that does not bode well for the babies, imop.

Christian love is something rather apart from just 'love' and can often see people through in difficult situations, rather than just perhaps 'losing' it with two innocent children.

IF IF there is a real culprit here, I hope they find them before it is too late. I personally don't think this is the case, but stranger things happen, taking two tots would not be something a rational person would do, too much work!!!!!


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[lady-eowyn]

I don't think they have the same biological parents, but I don't know that that's pertinent here.

This man is her "fiance", her children have her last name, not his, this isn't a stable family with the same mommy and daddy looking over the kids. If she cranked out two kids by the same man and he didn't give his name to the kids, or marry the mom . . . this isn't the best of situations either way.


I did not give my first child her fathers last name even though he was the biological father....and he was a very good father even though she didn't have his last name. And we weren't married either....but both my kids turned out pretty darn good (we did marry later, only to have it end in divorce) I don't think we can be judgemental over peoples situations just because they are different from ours.


Anyway, I hope and pray that the children are OK

[lady-eowyn]

I certainly don't blame the grandparents for Couey abducting Jessica, but why in the world don't people check their doors before going to bed? Mr. B and I always check our doors before going to bed.....and we were even more diligent when our children were young and lived at home. It just takes a few extra seconds to be safe.
Because things happen...we sometimes forget when we are tired or sick or just distracted...life takes over. And in the Lunsford case I wonder if it is similar to my daughters BF's household. He lives in a similar setup and NEVER uses his front door. The door stays locked at all times, he feels no need to check it everynight because they never use it. I've often wondered if this was the case in the Lunsford household...that the door that was unlocked was a seldom used door. I do recall Mark saying when he found it open something to the effect that "this door isn't unlocked"...making me wonder if Couey didn't break in at some point and unlock the door in anticipation of his crime. We may never know.

At any rate, I don't think we can blame the mom for taking a bathroom break...and remember that a lot of people who live in rural areas like this just don't feel the need to be as cautious as those of us who live in more populated areas. Doesn't mean the shouldn't, just means they have a different way of life.

[Jovin]

"I never saw them play together - they were so sick of the other one. If they're together, someone snatched them," Ms. Pennington said.

http://augustachronicle.com/stories/042505/met_3984125.shtml

Didn't this seem odd to you? I know my grandson and granddaughter fight alot but would not be considered "sick of the other one."

This makes me wonder if this mother has had a real problem handling these two and just got totally fed up with their arguing and fighting.....I hope I'm wrong...but maybe she snapped and did something horrible.

Also, the gate thing I didn't understand either....when the father stated that.

"When they leave, they leave the gate open," he said. Authorities found the gate closed but unlatched.

Also...

Special Agent Gary Nicholson of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, who is leading the effort, said he is keeping all possibilities open but that he is not convinced the children were kidnapped.

And....

Agent Nicholson said Ms. Kain and Dennis Payne, Jonah and Nicole's father, have been questioned separately. Neither has been officially named a suspect, but the agent said he has not ruled them out either.

[Timex]

At this point, Im going to withhold judgement. These are the same type of statements LE made during Jessie Lunsfords dissapearance, which led much of the public to suspect the family members. Sometimes we read far too much into what is released to the media.

[Jovin]

Fox was just doing something on this case, and I had a long distance call from my 5 year old granddaughter...telling me about a kitty she saw! I missed it...did anyone catch what they were talking about..they had some guy on and that's all I know.

[Sassygerl]

As a mother who raised four kids who were in stair steps there were numerous times that I was in a different room than my kids. I never worried about them taking off when my back was turned...probably didn't even give it a thought. How many mothers have their kids right by their sides all day long until the kids are tucked in bed??? Probably not any of us.

Kids are in the living room watching cartoons while mom is in the kitchen fixing a meal, cleaning, or doing dishes. In the bedroom making the bed or cleaning the bathroom. I don't know of any mother who stays in the same room as her kids every minute of the day. We watch them outside but our homes are supposed to be safe....and they usually are.

I don't see anything that points to the mother as of right now. So she was in another room than the kids. Sounds pretty normal to me. It's not her fault if the kids snuck outside.

Hi bobbisangel.....please don't misunderstand me. I completely agree that moms are not side by side their children during the day. I have three myself and I did not sit beside them all day long. I was a lot more likely to be in another room doing housework and getting things done. I was just curious if she was taking a nap (something I never did while my kids were those ages if it was just me here with them).

While it's possible someone did come in, I just find the whole story fishy. If she was just using the bathroom and they had wandered off she would have been able to find them as they wouldn't have been able to venture too far. Children 2 and 3 don't just run away as fast as they can...they are too distracted at that age by airplanes, bugs, etc. I just feel like the time span she was in another room might be a lot longer than just a quick bathroom break, or folding a load of clothes. I guess we'll find out more during the news conf later this morning.

[Sassygerl]

At this point, Im going to withhold judgement. These are the same type of statements LE made during Jessie Lunsfords dissapearance, which led much of the public to suspect the family members. Sometimes we read far too much into what is released to the media.

Very true, but the fact that they halted the search yesterday to question the mother further made me suspicious.

[nanandjim]

Call me cynical. I'm very suspicious of the mother.

[Timex]

Very true, but the fact that they halted the search yesterday to question the mother further made me suspicious.

This, IMO, makes no sense what so ever.

[richandfamous]

Fox was just doing something on this case, and I had a long distance call from my 5 year old granddaughter...telling me about a kitty she saw! I missed it...did anyone catch what they were talking about..they had some guy on and that's all I know.

Jovin, the father was suppose to be on but canceled! And the cop on the phone said he would not comment on the LDT on the mother. The rest was the same as we already know. That's all I can remember.

[Timex]

I know neighbors last saw the kids at 4:00...mom says they were gone at 6:00, do we know what time she actually called the police?

[Casshew]

Did they use tracking dogs? what was the temp outdoors?

[Timex]

Did they use tracking dogs? what was the temp outdoors?

They have used dogs...temps dropped to about 30.
Two children missing from the same house in such a short amount of time is where my problem comes in. We are only looking at a 2 hour window here.

[PrayersForMaura]

Very true, but the fact that they halted the search yesterday to question the mother further made me suspicious.Definitely. I don't remember them calling off the search for Jessica or Laci Peterson so fast unless there was inclimate weather and then the search seemed to quickly resume.

I also agree with the poster that two litle kids don't just rush off out of site that fast where the mother couldn't have gotten out of the bathroom, saw the door was open and didn't see them within how far the eye can visibly see.

Were the kids recently out playing that day? Someone said 4pm. Do kids keep shoes on for two hours?? I know my nieces and nephews take shoes off while in the house until they are ready to go somewhere. They are described as wearing specific shoes. Just wondering... I have no kids of my own so I don't know how this works. I know my shoes are off my feet as soon as I get home.

Were dogs used yet? Where does the children's scent stop??

Did the mother take them for a drive at all that day?

How close is the next neighbor?

How far away is the bathroom from the front door? I could hear my door open from any of the bathrooms in my house. I also have an alarm so all doors beep when they open, so maybe that's not a fair question to ask.

[Jovin]

Jovin, the father was suppose to be on but canceled! And the cop on the phone said he would not comment on the LDT on the mother. The rest was the same as we already know. That's all I can remember.

I remember them saying they'd be talking with the father....I wonder why he cancelled....too nervous? I hope it's not because all of a sudden he is now thinking that the story his fiance is telling him is very suspicious.

Thanks, rich.

[Jovin]

I know neighbors last saw the kids at 4:00...mom says they were gone at 6:00, do we know what time she actually called the police?


I haven't heard or read what time the police were called. That could be very telling.

[Timex]

I remember them saying they'd be talking with the father....I wonder why he cancelled....too nervous? I hope it's not because all of a sudden he is now thinking that the story his fiance is telling him is very suspicious.

Thanks, rich.

Or, they have a good idea of what happened and where these kids are. Fox is saying they will have a new conference in just a few minutes.

[Jovin]

Or, they have a good idea of what happened and where these kids are. Fox is saying they will have a new conference in just a few minutes.

As soon as I read yesterday that they'd called off the search in the afternoon, it made me very nervous about whether or not they'd caught the mother in a lie or two and now know that these kids are not going to be found alive.

I hope and pray that I'm wrong. They are so young and so innocent. No child asks to be born into this world. The parents and all of us have a duty and an obligation to make sure they are protected from harm. This doesn't seem to be happening alot of times anymore.

I just saw on Fox News that some sexual predator has taken off his tracking device and is now on the loose....I think it was Florida, but I'm not sure. Neighbours AGAIN said they weren't aware that they'd had someone like that living so close by.

So sad...

[Sassygerl]

I haven't heard or read what time the police were called. That could be very telling.

The father yesterday mentioned that she called police as soon as she realized they were gone and the door was open, which was right at 6 pm. No mention of her frantically running around the area calling out their names, although it's possible he left that out.

[Timex]

The father yesterday mentioned that she called police as soon as she realized they were gone and the door was open, which was right at 6 pm. No mention of her frantically running around the area calling out their names, although it's possible he left that out.

Although I too am fearful of the outcome right now, I'm not sure how much time I would spend calling out names or looking for them at that age. At 6 or 8, I may have thought they had left on their own to play elsewhere, but at 2 and 3...I think I would be assuming I had a problem.

[Jovin]

The father yesterday mentioned that she called police as soon as she realized they were gone and the door was open, which was right at 6 pm. No mention of her frantically running around the area calling out their names, although it's possible he left that out.


When I heard him on Fox being interviewed by Rita Cosby, I think...maybe it was the night before...but he said he'd called home from work and heard the kids in the background as he was talking to his fiance.

Then I'm not sure how much later but I got the impression he'd said that before too long he got a call back from her saying the kids were missing. I wonder just how much time passed between those two calls.....maybe there are transcripts from that show.

The fact that he mentioned he heard the kids in the background makes me wonder if they were being extremely unruly, and the Mom was having emotional issues too with dealing with this on a regular basis.

[PrayersForMaura]

I'm just curious why they moved from arizona to the other side of the country in georgia. Doesn't appear to be a career change? Do either of the parents have family in georgia? Could a family member have taken the children? They weren't running from someone were they?

I wish there was more info.

[richandfamous]

no PC yet...doesn't look good. Something hinky here. He delivered...starting to have shades of Andrea and Russel Yates.

And siblings at that age don't get sick of each other!

Sumptin wong here!

[Timex]

I'm just curious why they moved from arizona to the other side of the country in georgia. Doesn't appear to be a career change? Do either of the parents have family in georgia? Could a family member have taken the children? They weren't running from someone were they?

I wish there was more info.


Could be, or it couldnt just be they wanted to move. We moved all the way across the country, to a place we had never been, have no family here. We just wanted to move. Hubby didnt even have a job when we moved here.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I also agree with the poster that two litle kids don't just rush off out of site that fast where the mother couldn't have gotten out of the bathroom, saw the door was open and didn't see them within how far the eye can visibly see.
It's very difficult to speculate without more information. What I'd LOVE to know is like you said, how close is the nearest neighbor AND did anyone hear the mom calling for the children?

[Timex]

no PC yet...doesn't look good. Something hinky here. He delivered...starting to have shades of Andrea and Russel Yates.

And siblings at that age don't get sick of each other!

Sumptin wong here!

I agree here...at that age kids dont get "sick of one another"...at least mine didnt.

[Timex]

It's very difficult to speculate without more information. What I'd LOVE to know is like you said, how close is the nearest neighbor AND did anyone hear the mom calling for the children?

If neighbors saw the kids playing in the yard at 4:00...I would assume they live fairly close by? meaning houses are within view anyway

[Casshew]

Did the neighbours see the Mom in the yard with them at 4pm? I mean come on... a 2 year old is a baby, should not be out on their own with a 3 year old :doh:

[Timex]

Did the neighbours see the Mom in the yard with them at 4pm? I mean come on... a 2 year old is a baby, should not be out on their own with a 3 year old :doh:


Havent heard any details, but ya know...I watch around my own neighborhood, and am routinely surprised at the ages of the kids I see outside without adult supervision. I guess everyone assumes "these things dont happen around here".

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Havent heard any details, but ya know...I watch around my own neighborhood, and am routinely surprised at the ages of the kids I see outside without adult supervision. I guess everyone assumes "these things dont happen around here".
We're in a pretty populated area, and our news is out of Philadelphia. People around here know this stuff happens; I guess they just never think it will happen to them. Even if some parents haven't woken up yet, the good thing that's happened lately is that a lot of them have. I think that children overall are going to be safer as a result of all of the media attention that's been focused on the problem of missing children lately. There will always be those parents that don't watch their kids, or take too much for granted. I wish there was a way to change that. But for now, if nothing else, I am happy to see a lot more people realizing that it can indeed happen to any one of us, and taking better care of our children. If the sex offender laws aren't protecting the kids, then we need to do it the best we can.

[chicoliving]

Anyone watching Fox (FNC)?? They are waiting on the presser and showing shots of the media that is set up.....looks like a very wooded area from the direction they are showing. No one knows why it is over a half hour late.

[Timex]

Wish it were that way here, but Ive seen kids so small they cant be over 3 years old, riding big wheels down the sidewalks here, with no adults in sight. Anyone that lives less than one and one half miles from school walks, as no buses are provided. Ive seen Kindergardeners walk to school alone.

[Timex]

Anyone watching Fox (FNC)?? They are waiting on the presser and showing shots of the media that is set up.....looks like a very wooded area from the direction they are showing. No one knows why it is over a half hour late.


I'm watching...the delay doesnt make me hopeful :(

[KatherineQ]

JerseyGirl - I think you're right, that he is the biological father and I was wrong.

I was just surprised, since they're still together, the kids don't have his name. I've seen lots of couples where the woman doesn't take the man's name (and certainly, in cases where they don't marry, the woman wouldn't take his name), but it's a surprise to me the kids don't have his name. It just kind of threw me off.

[MistyGirl]

Oh this is sooo sad. I just started reading this thread about a half hour ago from the start and I had hoped when I got to the end it was goignt o say "Toddlers found safe"....but it didn't I pray that they are ok.

Has the NC started yet....I am at work....those watching please keep us posted. Thanks

[KatherineQ]

This case gets more confusing. : ( If they truly suspended the search because they were fatigued, they need more help. I don't see anywhere where they're asking the public for help - and surely the state of Georgia has resources that if this town just flat out don't have the manpower to search for two missing babies, they need to get that help from somewhere, and keep searching while there's a good chance the kids are alive and lost.

The timeframe I can find - neighbors saw them playing outside at 4 p.m., the mom called and reported them missing just before 6 p.m. That really doesn't give her a lot of time to kill them and dispose of them and call the cops.

Prayers for those sweet children.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/04/25/missing.toddlers/

[Casshew]

I guess everyone assumes "these things dont happen around here".
I wasn't meaning anything dark & dangerous.. just toddlers explore, they climb up on things, touch things they shouldn't not knowing any better, pretty well impossible to toddler proof a yard for them not to get injured..

Parents should be out there with them for company and to play with them, watch them, teach them

[chicoliving]

LE spokesperson (didn't catch his title) says that all available resources are being brought in...the GBI and FBI were mentioned. All leads are being followed, they have very little to go on. An Amber Alert is not possible because they don't know if its an abduction and they have no vehicle (which is required).

Thorough search was done, heat seeking radar at night. They are getting ready to start completely over and go over everything they have searched already. Asking for anyone to call with any kind of information no matter how small....

[Timex]

What Im hearing .... more than one person was given a polygraph, FBI is being briefed, still looking/hoping to find the children alive.

This would lead me to believe the mother's polygraph didnt yield anything suspicious at this time. Of course, this is just my interpritation.

[richandfamous]

PC...FBI has been called in. Not answering any questions..same ole same ole.
They have calls from other states but nothing yet.
She was in the bathroom 2 to 5 minutes. They just telling about how throughly they have searched. yada yada yada
Going back over everything...just law enforcement searching today.
Gravity of situation in the 40th hour critical.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The kids' last name is actually Payne, after the father.

[chicoliving]

Ah, the children's last name is Payne.....the parents wanted to clarify the name.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The dad looks like he's in a daze. He appears devastated, and is hugging the mom, (her head is against his chest), & is rubbing her arm. You can hear her sniffling & crying in the background.

I worry since they called off the search yesterday afternoon, and now that they are resuming it, it is only LE involved.

Tips have come in, some from across the country.

[chicoliving]

Looks like the young boy takes after his mama and the daughter takes after her dad.....

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I believe they said that the little girl needs daily breathing treatments, and the boy takes daily medication. These babies need to be home.

[Camper]

Just watched the Fox coverage, Behind the family spokesman was a rather large pond, anyone know if they were at the family home site?

I will hold further comment, but very sad day!!!


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[AutumnBorn]

If your kids were missing and you were distraught, would you care about how your hair looked? Would you even think about it? Jonah and Nicole's mom was wearing a big red bow in her hair.

Wasn't Susan Smith also really into hair bows? Or was she a hair clip mom? I can't remember the details, but I'll never forget how she made sure her hair was always done for the camera.

[chicoliving]

Just watched the Fox coverage, Behind the family spokesman was a rather large pond, anyone know if they were at the family home site?

I will hold further comment, but very sad day!!!


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It was my understanding that the media was set up by their home....that was a good sized pond (if that's what it was)

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Like a gentleman on television just said, in order for those children to just happen to disappear while the mom was in the bathroom for a couple of minutes, they must have either wandered off or someone had to have been right there waiting to grab them, (those are my words in the summary).

[Jovin]

They stated that the young girl needs a daily breathing apparatus and the little boy needs daily meds, too! why hasn't this been mentioned before?

It was the spokesman for the family that told this after the official part of the newsconference seemed to have ended.....

[Jovin]

In a clip it just showed, there was a car pulling out of a driveway (which I would assume must be theirs) and there's a house next door, so there is a neighbour close to their place if this was indeed the house where the children went missing from.

I'd like to know about these neighbours? Is there a male living there who might have been given a lie detector test? Who knows..that house was definitely close enough that someone there could have grabbed those kids or enticed them outside and grabbed them and took them into that other house.

[Jovin]

It was my understanding that the media was set up by their home....that was a good sized pond (if that's what it was)

That sure didn't look like anyplace you'd want to be NOT watching a two or three year old VERY closely! If these two did take off running out of the house, and down to the pond, and if they were fighting and pushing each other, anything could have happened.

That one lady who stated that they basically were sick of one another gives us the impression that these two did not get along well together. They could have been looking for pollywogs or turtles and just had an accident..it doesn't take long.

[AutumnBorn]

Those kids, so close in age, probably had a bad case of sibling rivalry.

Mark my words, you'll want to be watching the woman with the big red hair bow.

[smidgeon]

Has anything more been said about the little girl missing some hair due to a burn. One of the first articles said "may have some hair missing". Either it is or it isn't. A mother who was out with her children at 4pm doesn't know for sure at 6pm whether or not her child has hair missing? What? Does she have short term memory loss? And what about the father? Between the two of them you'd think there would be an accurate description of the child's current condition. This is just weird. Also, the two children were sick of each other? What a bizarre thing to say! Sibling rivalry is one thing, but that is a strange thing for a family friend to report.

[Camper]

Wonder if the family had more than one car - hope they checked the trunk if there is another car. We had a missing mommy case in the county I used to live in, Found her car in another city and she was found in the trunk, dead of course.

I am pretty disallusioned about the dogs and or handlers that show up to help in the searches recently!!

Wonder what they were using the hair removal for in the home ?? I have never had enough hair, personally!!

Yep check out that pond, no mention has been made of it, if if it is near the home, tiny children love water.

I am also wondering how and where the children were spotted at 4 PM, tiny children and neighbors are some distance, OR they could have been seen as they drove by the home. Don't know how close the home is to the main road, that could be another option, being picked up by someone who saw them in the road!!!!!!!!

Don't you just wish WE could all be there helping ask those tough questions and giving helpful hints, gee couldn't LE just know all of these questions I pose, you would hope so anyway. Resources for LE are not real closeby I guess or available.

Time will tell us yet again, how this is to turn out. God help those tiny children, and the parents as well. IF typical, wife is repentant and the father is destroyed.


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[AutumnBorn]

I thought the "may have" statement probably was the choice of words so if people didn't notice the hair missing, they wouldn't think it was the wrong girl. I doubt that it was huge patch missing.

The neighbor chose her words poorly.

If those kids are in that pond, they're weighted down.

[lady-eowyn]

WARRENTON, Georgia (CNN) -- The search for two toddlers missing since Saturday resumes Monday morning, said Warren County sheriff's officials, who suspended the search Sunday night because of fatigue.

The officials said they still had no reason to suspect foul play in the disappearance of 3-year-old Jonah Payne and his 2-year-old sister, Nicole.





http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/25/missing.toddlers/index.html

[Timex]

From the video Im seeing on Fox, I think the family owns one car, the older car that is sitting in the yard. The newer model car belongs to LE, I think.

[MistyGirl]

Does anyone know, have they reported if divers hav seacrhed the pond yet??? I woul dthink that would be one of the 1st things you would do. Maybe they did an dI missed that information. Anyone one know?

[MistyGirl]

Is there a video clip anyhwere of the NS or they mom and Dad that I could watch online?

[AutumnBorn]

From the video Im seeing on Fox, I think the family owns one car, the older car that is sitting in the yard. The newer model car belongs to LE, I think.

They do, however, have an extra tire, which is clearly seen in the photograph of the two kids being shown on CNN. I'm thinking that safety wasn't the first concern of these parents.

[lady-eowyn]

Misty...according to the article I posted earlier:

The Chronicle said that searchers worked by air, on foot and in vehicles and that dive teams were searching ponds and swamps.

So yes, they did use dive teams...whether they searched the pond nearby I don't know, but would assume they did.

[Juliana]

Is there a video clip anyhwere of the NS or they mom and Dad that I could watch online?

Here it is:

http://www.foxnews.com/

Go to the red box at the left side of the screen, and click on video

[Timex]

They do, however, have an extra tire, which is clearly seen in the photograph of the two kids being shown on CNN. I'm thinking that safety wasn't the first concern of these parents.


Im confused...why would having an extra tire mean they werent concerned?

[AutumnBorn]

Im confused...why would having an extra car mean they werent concerned?

Oh, I don't know. Just seems to me that rusty metal is a danger to kids. Pops right out at me. They're always climbing on things, getting scrapes and cuts. Just one more obsticle and threat to their safety.

Also, there's that burn on the girl's head and the fact that the kids were enabled to "walk away" from their home (uh, right). Seems it's pretty obvious safety isn't foremost in their minds.

Damn. I've got to go to work. Carry on.

[Cypros]

They need to do a thorough dragging of that lake (that's no pond). If it were my children I would be out there in the water covering every inch of it. I wouldn't need to wait for a rescue team to do the job.

[Timex]

Oh, I don't know. Just seems to me that rusty metal is a danger to kids. Pops right out at me. They're always climbing on things, getting scrapes and cuts. Just one more obsticle and threat to their safety.

Also, there's that burn on the girl's head and the fact that the kids were enabled to "walk away" from their home (uh, right). Seems it's pretty obvious safety isn't foremost in their minds.


Well, then I must not care about mine either, as there have been times where we have had old tires in our yard, as well as other things. We have made trips to the ER for stepping on rusty nails, dropping a glass bottle of coke and having the glass fly into a leg, etc.

[lady-eowyn]

They do, however, have an extra tire, which is clearly seen in the photograph of the two kids being shown on CNN. I'm thinking that safety wasn't the first concern of these parents.
If you look closely at that photo I believe it is a tire in the bed of a truck...looks like the picture was taken with them sitting on the tailgate of a truck bed...it doesn't look like some tire just laying around...and if it did I don't believe that is means to judge someones parental abilities.

[alpharee]

Oh, I don't know. Just seems to me that rusty metal is a danger to kids. Pops right out at me. They're always climbing on things, getting scrapes and cuts. Just one more obsticle and threat to their safety.

Also, there's that burn on the girl's head and the fact that the kids were enabled to "walk away" from their home (uh, right). Seems it's pretty obvious safety isn't foremost in their minds.

Damn. I've got to go to work. Carry on.

I don't think the tire or hairbow has anything to do with them being good or bad parents.
I have to agree this doesn't look good, I will not cast judgement upon them until I hear from LE they/he/she have been arrested.

[lady-eowyn]

I don't think the tire or hairbow has anything to do with them being good or bad parents.
Hairbow?? What would someone think a hairbow has to do with it? :doh:

I recall people being so suspicious over Mark Lunsford because of the way he looked and the bikers he knew etc...just goes to show you can't judge a book because Mark Lunsford is one of the finest people I believe I have ever met.

[Juliana]

Hairbow?? What would someone think a hairbow has to do with it? :doh:

I recall people being so suspicious over Mark Lunsford because of the way he looked and the bikers he knew etc...just goes to show you can't judge a book because Mark Lunsford is one of the finest people I believe I have ever met.

Some people think that because the mom had a red bow in her hair this morning at the press conference it means she is not concerned about her kids and is more worried about her appearance. She's being compared to Susan Smith (who drowned her kids) - she frequently wore a bow in her hair and had her hair done for TV.

From watching the press conference, it certainly does not appear to me that this woman is thinking only of her appearance. The bow seemed to just be slapped on her hair, her hair didn't even look combed. I wouldn't be surprised if a friend or relative just stuck the bow in her hair just before the conference, just to feel like they were "helping". she certainly did not look to be primping for the cameras.

[lady-eowyn]

Some people think that because the mom had a red bow in her hair this morning at the press conference it means she is not concerned about her kids and is more worried about her appearance. She's being compared to Susan Smith (who drowned her kids) - she frequently wore a bow in her hair and had her hair done for TV.

From watching the press conference, it certainly does not appear to me that this woman is thinking only of her appearance. The bow seemed to just be slapped on her hair, her hair didn't even look combed. I wouldn't be surprised if a friend or relative just stuck the bow in her hair just before the conference, just to feel like they were "helping". she certainly did not look to be primping for the cameras.
Thanks...from what I saw she was sobbing uncontrollably and I agree..she had anything but primped. And so what if she has a hairbow in? Did anyone see how Ruth Lunsford was dressed when she did a press conference about the lie detector? In her Sunday best! Does that make her guilty? In her case we know she wasn't.

[LaurenD]

I am new to posting here but have lurked for quite some time now. All you people are great and I value your opinions highly.
This was the time I had to post.
We have always had Harleys (i.e. ride bikes) and we also raise horses. We too have tires in one of the arenas for training purposes. Since we live on a ranch there are also "ranch tools, barbed wire, etc". Our children have never been injured by playing in/on a tire or around the ranch except for the normal things (rusty nail, scrapes, etc.) and if they had been....it's all part of growing up. They are now adults and indeed have survived thus far.
As well, Harley riders, (bikers), do not mean the riders are bad parents. Our children were/are worshipped and have had many "priviledges" (private school, cruises, etc.).
How I miss when I was a kid getting to play around all these kinds of things.

[MistyGirl]

Did any notice that when the Sherriff was talking in the NC he said the Mother said she came out of bathroom found front door open walked outside and found the gate unlocked and opened. Didn't the father say that the gate was locked that is how he knows they didn't wonder off...I thought I read that soemwhere.....I will try to find it. Just wondering if anyone else noticed that also.

I am sorry but I am :mad: :furious: ANGRY........why is only LE searcing right now?? And if they are how come they all this time to be doing terviews and NC etc....if LE are the only ones searching at this time in my opionion they are not doing a very good job. I was very very suprised when they said at the NC no only LE is and will be conducting the search efforts at this time. I prya these two little ones are safe and just wonder off and out lost.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Wonder what they were using the hair removal for in the home ?? I have never had enough hair, personally!!
The typical thing is that women use it for removal of leg hair. You smear it on and a short time later, you rinse it off along with the hair.

Babies have very sensitive skin. It could be that the little girl got into it, rubbed it on herself, and then the mom smelled it, (it smells AWFUL, and very strong). Maybe Mom took her to the doctor or called Poison Control, and they told her to wash her hair well, and not to be alarmed; that she might end up with a burn to the skin or that the hair might fall out over time, and not to worry ... it will grow back. So perhaps she hadn't lost any hair but it is a possibility that she still might.

[Juliana]

Did any notice that when the Sherriff was talking in the NC he said the Mother said she came out of bathroom found front door open walked outside and found the gate unlocked and opened. Didn't the father say that the gate was locked that is how he knows they didn't wonder off...I thought I read that soemwhere.....I will try to find it. Just wondering if anyone else noticed that also.

I am sorry but I am :mad: :furious: ANGRY........why is only LE searcing right now?? And if they are how come they all this time to be doing terviews and NC etc....if LE are the only ones searching at this time in my opionion they are not doing a very good job. I was very very suprised when they said at the NC no only LE is and will be conducting the search efforts at this time. I prya these two little ones are safe and just wonder off and out lost.


I'm not sure if it was the sherrif or who the official was but someone said they were doing a "forensic" search today, which to me means they are looking as much for evidence as for the kids. I don't like the sound of that at all.

[richandfamous]

I think they are looking for bodies at this point. LE only searches are for bodies. jmo

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

From watching the press conference, it certainly does not appear to me that this woman is thinking only of her appearance. The bow seemed to just be slapped on her hair, her hair didn't even look combed. I wouldn't be surprised if a friend or relative just stuck the bow in her hair just before the conference, just to feel like they were "helping".
I wouldn't care if she came out looking like Miss America. Maybe fixing her hair or applying her make-up gives her a few minutes of distraction. Not that she can forget, but to get five minutes to soften the focus on her pain.

[MistyGirl]

I'm not sure if it was the sherrif or who the official was but someone said they were doing a "forensic" search today, which to me means they are looking as much for evidence as for the kids. I don't like the sound of that at all.
I heard that too and I agree I dont like sound of that either. This whole things is just sad sad.

I found it a littel odd/strange that they set up for the NC rigth in front of the Lake/Pond.......something tells me they need to be lookin gin there with divers.

I can soo see two little young ones toddling off out the door while mom is in the bathroom and heading to the water to "explore" and in an instant they both could have fallen in and drown. We had two younger boys here in MN that a few years ago one fell in the other went in to help and they both drown, there parents were devastated it was very very sad.

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm sorry. Did the father say when the kids went outside, they "knew their limits"?????

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Did any notice that when the Sherriff was talking in the NC he said the Mother said she came out of bathroom found front door open walked outside and found the gate unlocked and opened. Didn't the father say that the gate was locked that is how he knows they didn't wonder off...I thought I read that soemwhere.....I will try to find it. Just wondering if anyone else noticed that also.I also noticed that but for now, I chalk it up to either hasty reporting or confusion of the facts during the frantic early moments of the realization that one's children are missing.

[MistyGirl]

I'm sorry. Did the father say when the kids went outside, they "knew their limits"?????
Hmmm....I don't know but now that you say that I remember reading something somewhere.........I will seacrch fro that also.

I was just sitting here thinking about the mom and said she was only in the bathroom for 2-5 minutes.......but what "if" she was inside and had laid down or was wacthing TV etc and had fallen asleep I mean it happens and mean while the two started to wonder off. I just find it hard to beleive in such a rural area that in 2-5 minutes they would be gone with out a trace so quickly.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

KUTV: Two Toddlers Missing In Georgia (http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_115121255.html)

... While investigators questioned their mother, nearly 200 others kept up the search for the children. Neighbors say they are heartbroken, reports CBS Affiliate WRDW in Augusta, Ga.

"The mother would often have them out walking during the day, so they know what the children look like and nobody has seen them," Sandy Yelton of the Warren County Fire Rescue told the station...

[LovelyPigeon]

I think the dad meant that since the gate had been kept locked but was found open that it points to someone taking the kids. I read in an earlier report that he believes the kids were taken by someone.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

USATODAY.com - Ga. police have few leads in search for missing toddlers (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-04-25-missing-toddlers_x.htm?csp=34)

Nicole was described as 30 inches tall with shoulder-length blond hair. She may have some hair missing in front because of a burn. She was last seen wearing a purple turtleneck, light-colored blue jeans and purple high-top tennis shoes.

Jonah was described as 40 inches tall with shoulder-length black hair. He was last seen wearing a red and white shirt with a gray collar and the number seven on the back, blue jeans and brown hiking boots.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

FOXNews.com - U.S. & World - Time Becomes Critical in Ga. Toddlers Search (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154520,00.html)

... The family does not have a history of abuse involving the children...

[Jeana (DP)]

Hmmm....I don't know but now that you say that I remember reading something somewhere.........I will seacrch fro that also.


Here it is. Appears it was a family friend, but I'm still stunned that anyone would say a 2 and 3 year old knew their limits outside.

Meech
~If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got~ Join Date: Aug 2004
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Mr. Payne, who is engaged to and lives with Ms. Kain, said he was working in Thomson at a gas station when the children's mother called him to say that Nicole and Jonah were gone.

Standing outside the home where he and the children have lived for less than a year, Mr. Payne expressed the belief that someone had abducted his son and daughter.

"When they leave, they leave the gate open," he said. Authorities found the gate closed but unlatched.

Mr. Payne and Ms. Kain lived in Arizona before moving to Gibson, Ga., which is where Brenda Johnson met them four years ago.

On Sunday, Ms. Johnson and family friend Laura Pennington said that they couldn't fathom Jonah and Nicole just leaving - particularly together.

"I never saw them play together - they were so sick of the other one. If they're together, someone snatched them," Ms. Pennington said. "And I don't know them to just take off and go up the road. They knew their limits."

Besides Ms. Kain, the last people to see the children were neighbors who saw them playing outside at about 4 p.m.

Agent Nicholson said Ms. Kain told police that she and the children came inside shortly after 4 p.m. and were in the house until she noticed the children were gone. Witnesses said there was no vehicle traffic on Lake Road at the time of the children's disappearance, according to Chief McClain.

[KatherineQ]

Some people just talk just to hear themselves talk. It doesn't really sound like she knew what she was talking about, just bla bla bla.

It's looking more like the mother really doesn't know where her children are. This is just heartbreaking, this waiting.

[Jeana (DP)]

Neighbors said they saw them playing outside at 4:00 p.m. Didn't say with their mother. I have a feeling, this is one more case of the parent allowing the child to play outside ALONE and they're gone.

[Timex]

Neighbors said they saw them playing outside at 4:00 p.m. Didn't say with their mother. I have a feeling, this is one more case of the parent allowing the child to play outside ALONE and they're gone.

But the kids were inside when they went missing. One of the other reports said the mother often walked with the children every day. This tells me the mother does not send them out to play alone. Now, could they have been out in the yard and the mother stepped inside to grab the telephone etc? Sure, but at this point Im not ready to fault this family. When it gets to the point a mother cant even use the bathroom for fear of someone taking her kids...the anger should be towards the perp, not the mother. It is physically impossible for anyone to watch a child 24/7...it just cant happen.

[Jeana (DP)]

Why? Because the mother said so?? Come on Timex. If she let them play outside and they disappeared, she's not going to admit it.

[Timex]

Why? Because the mother said so?? Come on Timex. If she let them play outside and they disappeared, she's not going to admit it.


But the father reported calling home and hearing the kids, so are both lying?

[LovelyPigeon]

Agent Nicholson said Ms. Kain told police that she and the children came inside shortly after 4 p.m. and were in the house until she noticed the children were gone.

Kain might have been outside watching them, or inside while they played in fenced yard. Parents do let kids go outside into fenced yard without being with them every minute, and probably more likely to do that in rural areas with low populations.

[Jeana (DP)]

But the father reported calling home and hearing the kids, so are both lying?

I'm not saying that anyone is. All I'm saying is that we don't know anything to be a "fact" just because someone said it.

[Timex]

I'm not saying that anyone is. All I'm saying is that we don't know anything to be a "fact" just because someone said it.


true...but I also dont have any reason to believe they are lying.

[Jeana (DP)]

Kain might have been outside watching them, or inside while they played in fenced yard. Parents do let kids go outside into fenced yard without being with them every minute, and probably more likely to do that in rural areas with low populations.

So, someone could have been watching them play ALONE in the front yard and got it in their head to see how easy it would be to snatch them, possibly????

[Timex]

So, someone could have been watching them play ALONE in the front yard and got it in their head to see how easy it would be to snatch them, possibly????


Or someone could have seen them walking with their mother, and decided to find a way to snatch them. These people are brazen...we have seen that time and time again. Parents simply cannot protect their children 24/7..and the bottom line is...they shouldnt have to. It has become all too common for a perp to enter a home and snatch a child. Thats just crazy to think a child isnt even safe in their own home. What in the world are we coming to?

[LovelyPigeon]

Someone might have been watching to see what the pattern was for those kids, when they walked in neighborhood with mom, when they played behind the fence without mom being present. If someone took them it's most likely some surveillance was done beforehand.

If Kain (anyone seen an age for her yet?) harmed the children, could she have hidden them somewhere during 2 hours that they'd not be found after 2 days of searching?

[Jeana (DP)]

Or someone could have seen them walking with their mother, and decided to find a way to snatch them. These people are brazen...we have seen that time and time again. Parents simply cannot protect their children 24/7..and the bottom line is...they shouldnt have to. It has become all too common for a perp to enter a home and snatch a child. Thats just crazy to think a child isnt even safe in their own home. What in the world are we coming to?

Well most us who don't live under a rock already know what kind of world it is. Its a world where you NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES allow a 2 and 3 year old to play outside ALONE!

If they were all inside, why didn't she just lock the door? Her kids would most likely still be home.

THAT's what kind of world we live in. Not liking it doesn't change the fact that we need to take precautions. I lock my door even if I'm alone. Home invasion robberies are at an all time high.

[Timex]

You're right, not liking it doesnt change it...but if we, as a society dont do something to change it...God help this world by the time our children have children. They will have to be raised in such a sterile environment, they will have lost everything. I just cant blame a parent for being in the house with their child with an unlocked door.

[Jeana (DP)]

You're right, not liking it doesnt change it...but if we, as a society dont do something to change it...God help this world by the time our children have children. They will have to be raised in such a sterile environment, they will have lost everything. I just cant blame a parent for being in the house with their child with an unlocked door.

I know Timex. Anyone with small kids MUST take all sorts of precautions. I don't think locking the door is an unreasonable one. Sure it sucks that we've got to actually lock our doors, but most people know that we have to.

Neighbors did say that this family allowed the kids to play outside alone. Of course we don't yet know what part this played in their disappearance, but if the mother had nothing to do with this, and I pray she didn't, what part did that play?

[Casshew]

Why aren't they dredging that damn pond? :banghead:

[Jovin]

But the father reported calling home and hearing the kids, so are both lying?

My brother and his live-in love used to MAKE their kids go out and lock the darned doors on them...who knows what happened...we might NEVER really know....all we know is that they're gone.

[Timex]

All Im saying is I cant/wont blame the parents. I blame the person that did this.

To me its like an accident between a small can and an SUV. Should we say the driver of the small car is to blame for his own injuries because had he been driving an SUV, he would have had more protection?

There is always going to be "one more thing" that may have/could have been done differently. None of us are perfect, and cant expect anyone else to be. I see these cases as a "there but for the Grace of God go I" kind of thing. Have I done things, that looking back, were foolish? You bet I have, and I thank God everyday I have never found myself in this situation.

If it turns out that these children simply wandered off, this mother will forever live with the "If only" guilt. If it turns out someone took them, she will live with the guilt. She wont need me to help add to her guilt.

[Timex]

Why aren't they dredging that damn pond? :banghead:

They are...the video showed them using what I assume was a grappling hook to drag the lake/pond.

[Timex]

My brother and his live-in love used to MAKE their kids go out and lock the darned doors on them...who knows what happened...we might NEVER really know....all we know is that they're gone.

But since LE has confirmed the father was at work, I have to assume that wasnt the case in this situation.

[Jeana (DP)]

All Im saying is I cant/wont blame the parents. I blame the person that did this.

To me its like an accident between a small can and an SUV. Should we say the driver of the small car is to blame for his own injuries because had he been driving an SUV, he would have had more protection?

There is always going to be "one more thing" that may have/could have been done differently. None of us are perfect, and cant expect anyone else to be. I see these cases as a "there but for the Grace of God go I" kind of thing. Have I done things, that looking back, were foolish? You bet I have, and I thank God everyday I have never found myself in this situation.

If it turns out that these children simply wandered off, this mother will forever live with the "If only" guilt. If it turns out someone took them, she will live with the guilt. She wont need me to help add to her guilt.

Not the parents, Timex. The mother. The kids are in the house and then they're gone. No sign of forced entry. Whose fault is that?

Not, "what other ONE thing" could I have done scenario. What ONE thing could she have done????

[Timex]

Not the parents, Timex. The mother. The kids are in the house and then they're gone. No sign of forced entry. Whose fault is that?

Not, "what other ONE thing" could I have done scenario. What ONE thing could she have done????

I understand your position, I just dont share it. I dont think a parent should be held responsible for not barracading thier doors during broad daylight.

[kgeaux]

Well most us who don't live under a rock already know what kind of world it is. Its a world where you NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES allow a 2 and 3 year old to play outside ALONE!

If they were all inside, why didn't she just lock the door? Her kids would most likely still be home.

THAT's what kind of world we live in. Not liking it doesn't change the fact that we need to take precautions. I lock my door even if I'm alone. Home invasion robberies are at an all time high.

Jeana, with all due respect, I have friends who live in Tompson, Georgia--that's where the dad was working. Very close to where these babies live. It is VERY rural. I think it has ONE red light! It is a very safe area, very low crime rate. I can well imagine a momma thinking it is PERFECTLY SAFE to allow your children to play in a FENCED yard. And whether they were allowed to play outside or not, the mom states that they were indoors when she went to the bathroom.....we do not know if she locked the door, but we do know the kids knew how to open the door by themselves. It may turn out that the mom is involved, but she may not be. You may be directing your anger to an innocent person. Please think about that!

My friend's husband is on the search and rescue team for Tompson. I may call her tonight if I get a chance. He does the "jaws of life" thing for car accidents, and he is on the dive team.

[Jeana (DP)]

I understand your position, I just dont share it. I dont think a parent should be held responsible for not barracading thier doors during broad daylight.


Barracading???? Who the heck said anything about barracading??? How about a high tech chain lock?

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana, with all due respect, I have friends who live in Tompson, Georgia--that's where the dad was working. Very close to where these babies live. It is VERY rural. I think it has ONE red light! It is a very safe area, very low crime rate. I can well imagine a momma thinking it is PERFECTLY SAFE to allow your children to play in a FENCED yard. And whether they were allowed to play outside or not, the mom states that they were indoors when she went to the bathroom.....we do not know if she locked the door, but we do know the kids knew how to open the door by themselves. It may turn out that the mom is involved, but she may not be. You may be directing your anger to an innocent person. Please think about that!

My friend's husband is on the search and rescue team for Tompson. I may call her tonight if I get a chance. He does the "jaws of life" thing for car accidents, and he is on the dive team.


Why not think about what those poor babies have/are going through? There is never any reason whatever to allow a 2 year old/3 year old outside alone. I don't care where you live. If she allowed them to do so, she's not innocent.

[PrayersForMaura]

I still wonder why the kids still had their shoes on if they had been inside from 4 to 6....

[Timex]

Barracading???? Who the heck said anything about barracading??? How about a high tech chain lock?


I still just disagree. One should not be expected to lock themselves inside their home at all times.

[Sheromom]

I hate it that these things have happened so often that we all AUTOMATICALLY suspect the parents. And I hate it even worse that we usually turn out to be right!

[Timex]

I still wonder why the kids still had their shoes on if they had been inside from 4 to 6....

Guess thats just a personal thing. My son couldnt take his own shoes off or put them on at that age...daughter could do both. Hubby kicks his shoes off the minute he comes home...I always have shoes on.

[PrayersForMaura]

Curious... does anyone with kids know if 2 and 3 year olds can put on their own tennis shoes?? It seems my parents always helped me with my shoes when I was a child.

[Jeana (DP)]

I hate it that these things have happened so often that we all AUTOMATICALLY suspect the parents. And I hate it even worse that we usually turn out to be right!

That's just it. I don't think the mother killed them. However, I'll bet you that if she gets lucky and those kids are found and returned, she never again lets them play outside or leaves the door unlocked again. Why does it always take something like this for people to learn to just do the simpliest of things??? Ask Samantha Runion's grandma if she could do it all again if she would have sat outside and watched her?

[Timex]

I hate it that these things have happened so often that we all AUTOMATICALLY suspect the parents. And I hate it even worse that we usually turn out to be right!

Actually, in all the cases Ive followed all these years, its usually hasnt turned out to be the parents.

[PrayersForMaura]

Guess thats just a personal thing. My son couldnt take his own shoes off or put them on at that age...daughter could do both. Hubby kicks his shoes off the minute he comes home...I always have shoes on.
But did you let your kids run around the house around dinner time with their shoes on? What time were they supposed to eat dinner or had they already?
I'm just curious. Sometimes it's the little things that can mean something if anything at all. Just grasping for straws here...

[Juliana]

Curious... does anyone with kids know if 2 and 3 year olds can put on their own tennis shoes?? It seems my parents always helped me with my shoes when I was a child.

Maybe if they are slip-ons. If they tie - probably not.

My 4 year old can't tie yet.

[Timex]

That's just it. I don't think the mother killed them. However, I'll bet you that if she gets lucky and those kids are found and returned, she never again lets them play outside or leaves the door unlocked again. Why does it always take something like this for people to learn to just do the simpliest of things??? Ask Samantha Runion's grandma if she could do it all again if she would have sat outside and watched her?


Do you REALLY think it would have made a bit of difference if the grandma had sat on that porch? I dont.

[PrayersForMaura]

Actually, in all the cases Ive followed all these years, its usually hasnt turned out to be the parents.
Really, when multiple kids are missing, it most likely hadn't been the parents? I think otherwise honestly. Anytime I've seen more than one child missing, it was an abduction by an estranged parent or a murder by a parent... most often abduction though, but indeed by a parent.

[Timex]

But did you let your kids run around the house around dinner time with their shoes on? What time were they supposed to eat dinner or had they already?
I'm just curious. Sometimes it's the little things that can mean something if anything at all. Just grasping for straws here...


Sure, why wouldnt they wear shoes at dinner time? Especially if we would be going back outside after dinner?

[Jeana (DP)]

Do you REALLY think it would have made a bit of difference if the grandma had sat on that porch? I dont.

Absolutely! Name me one case where the relative saw a child being abducted five feet in front of them. It doesn't happen Timex.

[PrayersForMaura]

Maybe if they are slip-ons. If they tie - probably not.

My 4 year old can't tie yet.Good point.

The shoes described that these children had on were definitely tennis shoes and outdoor type shoes, not slipper or casual shoes.... I know some parents don't want kids running around the hosue with shoes on because of tracking dirt in the house.

The description of the attire on the children is very detailed right down to the shoes. This is why I scratch my head. Why did the kids have their shoes on?
It's 6 at night, not like it's early afternoon where they would be out playing.

[Timex]

Really, when multiple kids are missing, it most likely hadn't been the parents? I think otherwise honestly. Anytime I've seen more than one child missing, it was an abduction by an estranged parent or a murder by a parent... most often abduction though, but indeed by a parent.

Multiple kids...yes...I was talking missing kids in general. Although in this case, Im not leaning towards parental involvement at this time for a couple reasons. That could change if LE were to say certain things, but right now Im not seeing it.

[Jovin]

regarding them having been "taken"....it wouldn't be that easy, to grab hold of two screaming (maybe) kicking toddlers, rush out of the house or yard and open the gate and close it again, unless this person had alot more than two arms.

Even if there was no struggle, and the person said..."hey quick...I have to show you somethng...shhh....it's a surprise...don't let your Mom hear us..."

[Casshew]

Do you REALLY think it would have made a bit of difference if the grandma had sat on that porch? I dont.
I think Avila would not have taken Samantha had their been a adult visable. IMO

Having said that, here in Ontario - some guy grabbed a little girl right from her Mom when they were holding hands walking through a mall. So you can never tell...

[Timex]

Good point.

The shoes described that these children had on were definitely tennis shoes and outdoor type shoes, not slipper or casual shoes.... I know some parents don't want kids running around the hosue with shoes on because of tracking dirt in the house.

The description of the attire on the children is very detailed right down to the shoes. This is why I scratch my head. Why did the kids have their shoes on?
It's 6 at night, not like it's early afternoon where they would be out playing.

6 at night means there is still a good 2 hours daylight left. I could see going back outside after dinner, but then we live in a rural area, so perhaps we do things differently than others. As for the detailed info on the shoes...its quite possible they only have one or 2 pair. We arent talking well to do folk here.

[PrayersForMaura]

Multiple kids...yes...I was talking missing kids in general. Although in this case, Im not leaning towards parental involvement at this time for a couple reasons. That could change if LE were to say certain things, but right now Im not seeing it.Gotcha... sorry, didn't mean to put words in anyone's posts.

To me, it just seems odd that someone would take TWO children... that's risky... especially when they could put up a struggle and the time span is so short...

Did anyone have anything against the parents?

And I ask again... does either parent have family in Georgia?? Family would be the most likely to take two children.

[Timex]

regarding them having been "taken"....it wouldn't be that easy, to grab hold of two screaming (maybe) kicking toddlers, rush out of the house or yard and open the gate and close it again, unless this person had alot more than two arms.

Even if there was no struggle, and the person said..."hey quick...I have to show you somethng...shhh....it's a surprise...don't let your Mom hear us..."


If they knew the perp it wouldnt be difficult IMO.

[luthersmama]

Let's look at this a different way. Let's assume for a minute that the kids were inside the house while mom's in the bathroom. Somebody comes in and takes them.

Who could grab TWO toddlers and get them out of the house against their will and without them shrieking?

Maybe it wasn't against their will? Maybe it was somebody they knew?

Or maybe it was more than one person? How many pedophiles operate in teams?

Now let's assume they were outside. This is not a well-traveled road, and the neighbors seem to know what's going on.

Is a strange car going to be ignored? Can one person stuff two struggling toddlers into a car without a fuss?

Again, maybe it wasn't a stranger. Have we heard anything about grandparents?

I'm afraid my conclusion is that they were not abducted and that the mother knows exactly where they are. A stranger abduction of two toddlers is rare enough to begin with. Having it happen in a rural nowhere makes it even less likely.

I don't blame her for not locking the door - I never locked mine when my kids were little. Unfortunately, I think she killed them.

[tybee204]

When you have young childen in the house you absolutly have to take precautions. I live on the water so now that Emma is walking and on the go I had all my doors alarmed so that when she is here I can turn it on and it will activate an alarm if a door is opened.

[PrayersForMaura]

6 at night means there is still a good 2 hours daylight left. I could see going back outside after dinner, but then we live in a rural area, so perhaps we do things differently than others. As for the detailed info on the shoes...its quite possible they only have one or 2 pair. We arent talking well to do folk here.True, but a 2 and 3 year old go out to play after dinner or I mean after 6?? I think that's a far stretch.... I don't know though, I could just be old fashioned. I just don't see 2 and 3 year olds out playing after 6pm where i live... that's too little.

[lady-eowyn]

I still wonder why the kids still had their shoes on if they had been inside from 4 to 6....
Believe it or not I have known parents who leave shoes on their kids all the time, even indoors. Maybe they had been out earlier and just hadn't taken them off. Everyone does things differently...we can't assume guilt just because we wouldn't do it the same way.

[ISPTRAX]

I just watched the Fox video and I believe TWO things to be possible:

#1 - they're in the lake. Did you see how HUGE it was and RIGHT NEXT to the house??

#2 - The Mom did something to them. My hinky's going off with her for some reason.

[PrayersForMaura]

Believe it or not I have known parents who leave shoes on their kids all the time, even indoors. Maybe they had been out earlier and just hadn't taken them off. Everyone does things differently...we can't assume guilt just because we wouldn't do it the same way.
I can understand your point... but two hours?? 6pm? That's close to dinner and little kids at the age of 2 and 3 running around all day with shoes on? I guess I'm making too much out of it.

[luthersmama]

regarding them having been "taken"....it wouldn't be that easy, to grab hold of two screaming (maybe) kicking toddlers, rush out of the house or yard and open the gate and close it again, unless this person had alot more than two arms.

Even if there was no struggle, and the person said..."hey quick...I have to show you somethng...shhh....it's a surprise...don't let your Mom hear us..."


I must have been typing when you posted....I agree completely. Stranger abduction makes no sense here.

[Timex]

I cant see them as having wandered off, simply because how far could they get in such a short time? The only way I could see this scenario is if, sadly, they were to be found in the lake/pond.

I have a hard time thinking the mother failed the polygrapah because LE is saying they are still hoping to find the children alive. If they had suspicions of the mother, I wouldnt think they would still be saying this, nor do i think they would still be asking for people to call in "tips". We have heard nothing about "red flags" etc in her, or any other polygraph.

Taking 2 children would be brazen, to say the least, but again, if it were someone the children knew, or even recognized, it would become a lot easier.

[luthersmama]

I can understand your point... but two hours?? 6pm? That's close to dinner and little kids at the age of 2 and 3 running around all day with shoes on? I guess I'm making too much out of it.


If I had two kids of that age, once I got those shoes on and tied they would stay on until bed time just to avoid the hassle of on and off and on and off....especially if they are used to going in and out of the house all the time.

[Jovin]

Having said that, here in Ontario - some guy grabbed a little girl right from her Mom when they were holding hands walking through a mall. So you can never tell...

Cass, which one was that? I don't remember that one!

[PrayersForMaura]

I cant see them as having wandered off, simply because how far could they get in such a short time? The only way I could see this scenario is if, sadly, they were to be found in the lake/pond.
I was just saying the same thing to my mom.... how far could two kids get within 5 minutes or so while the mother was in the bathroom?
It takes me 8 minute minimum to run a mile about quite a while to just walk a mile... If one kid fell in the pond/lake, would the other jump in to save him or her? I don't think so, because I think the kid would freak out and run back into the house to tell mommy.

I'm just trying to fathom what happened and it's really hard to imagine this. When one child is missing like this, the possibilities are endless but with two missing -- two very young kids -- it's hard to imagine the same scenarios.

[lisag]

I don't think the shoes on or off tell me anything.
I pick up my 2 year old from daycare at 3:00pm. As soon as we get home, I set him down and I go change clothes. He gets a snack (and mom gets one too!!) and then I may do a little cleaning or looking to see what I can make for dinner... ALl the while, my 2 year old has his shoes on. Then I take him outside and we go for a walk and play in the yard.. After we are done, we have to go pick up his big sister from her track practice. Once we all get home, I begin to make dinner. His shoes are still on, because he can't do it himself and I have been doign other things. While dinner is cooking, we may go back outside, we may not - depends on the weather and what I am cooking. On most days though, we go back outside after dinner and he plays in the yard. I am ALWAYS out there with him.. After we come back inside, we settle in to watch a lilttle TV or he plays with his toys... Maybe a little while later he will come to me and stick his foot in my face (his way of telling me to take his shoes off) - and if he does not do that, I sometimes don't even think about his shoes until I undress him for his bath, unless I know he was playing in dirt or mudd or something dirty.

[lady-eowyn]

I can understand your point... but two hours?? 6pm? That's close to dinner and little kids at the age of 2 and 3 running around all day with shoes on? I guess I'm making too much out of it.
I don't find a toddler out playing in a rural area at that time of day odd. When my kids were younger it wasn't all that unusual for them to play outside after dinner, especially when the time changed and it stayed daylight longer. The more energy I could get them to run out the better!!

[Timex]

so much depends on what the "norm" is for a family. What one family considers strange or dangerous, another may think nothing of. Heck, my daughter had her own motorcycle and raced at the age of 3..Im sure some would find that dangerous or strange, but it was the "norm" for us.

[PrayersForMaura]

I don't find a toddler out playing in a rural area at that time of day odd. When my kids were younger it wasn't all that unusual for them to play outside after dinner, especially when the time changed and it stayed daylight longer. The more energy I could get them to run out the better!!
gosh, I must be in the twilight zone! LOL.
I learn something new all the time from people on this board.
I guess I would just be overprotective then as a parent because I don't see kids under the age of 5 outside playing by themselves or consider it common at all. Maybe it's because I am very well aware of missing people and am scared to death for children. My poor kids would probably think I was annoying, lol.

[kimberdawn]

I live in NE Arkansas- very rual area, most children around here play outside til 8:00 or so in the spring and summer- it doesnt start getting dark til around 8:00p.m. Around here many parentsthat do not follow missing child cases closely or maybe aren't educated will allow their kids to play outside by themselves. Not saying it is a good idea, and I have never allowed my kids to, but that fact DOES not make them a bad parent. There are people out there that will snatch a child from their house , we all know that- therefore there are sick people who will take two kids. We should not be so quick to judge the parents , didnt we all learn that from Jessica Lunsford's tragedy?

And as for the shoes- my son is a very particular child- and at one time he wanted his shoes on ALL the time.....so nothing should be assumed from that

[Juliana]

gosh, I must be in the twilight zone! LOL.
I learn something new all the time from people on this board.
I guess I would just be overprotective then as a parent because I don't see kids under the age of 5 outside playing by themselves or consider it common at all. Maybe it's because I am very well aware of missing people and am scared to death for children. My poor kids would probably think I was annoying, lol.

Hopefully the posters are talking about kids playing outside in the evening with parents watching. My kids frequently stay out until 8:30-9:00 in the evenings on weekends, but only with adults present. I don't even let me 10-1/2 year old play basketball outside by himself. I keep my distance so I don't crowd him, but I just can't sit inside and read a magazine or something while my child is outside unprotected.

imo

[Casshew]

Cass, which one was that? I don't remember that one!
Jovin... at my local mall! where I go with Noel :eek:

They stopped the guy (shoppers) but he was so brazen as to grab this girl and tug her away from her Mom!

[Timex]

Jovin... at my local mall! where I go with Noel :eek:

They stopped the guy (shoppers) but he was so brazen as to grab this girl and tug her away from her Mom!

I once saw a man grab an infant right from the mothers arms in an airport. He was caught by others in the area, but the bottom line is, he still attempted to take a child in a VERY crowded place.

[lady-eowyn]

Hopefully the posters are talking about kids playing outside in the evening with parents watching. My kids frequently stay out until 8:30-9:00 in the evenings on weekends, but only with adults present. I don't even let me 10-1/2 year old play basketball outside by himself. I keep my distance so I don't crowd him, but I just can't sit inside and read a magazine or something while my child is outside unprotected.

imo
Actually, when I was younger I use to wonder a long way from home into the woods, by myself...never thought nothing of it. And yes, when my children were younger and I lived in a rural area I let them play outside by themselves in daylight. I usually had windows open so I could hear them, or was at watching out the window when I was doing dishes or something. Now grant it this was 15 years ago for my kids...30 years ago for me. But for some people that is still the norm. Some people still sleep with their doors unlocked because they think it's safe...it doesn't make it wrong, they just aren't as informed as some of us.

[kgeaux]

OK, I just spoke with my friend in Thomson. (I misspelled it in my earilier post.) She said she'd never heard of Warrenton! It's right down Hwy. 78 from her!! This may emphasize the "ruralness" of the area. These are like little country villages, sort of bedroom communities around Augusta. She did know about the missing children, it's all over the local news and the churches are all praying for their safe recovery. She was amazed that I had heard that the dad worked at a gas station in Thomson; they are not reporting that over there. I wasn't able to learn a lot about the search effort, because her husband has switched to Civil Air Rescue, so he is not directly involved. But she tells me that there was a large effort yesterday and today...ponds are being searched, by dive teams and dragging efforts. The search and rescue teams as well as volunteers are out looking.....all this from her local media, she has no other way of knowing what is going on.

She said she is so afraid that the mother is involved, but they are all hoping she was not. Of course there's talk that she is involved, but I think local news stories are stating that the mom and dad are in a long term relationship, no problems previously with neglect or abuse, and neighbors are saying the mom was a good mom, involved with her children. Not the media, but people in Thomson are talking as though it is equally probable that the kids let themselves out of the house and got into trouble at the pond. The timing a little tight for it to be an abductor, plus how many would take two?? People are wondering over there, just like we are here, about extended family....a grandparent, aunt or uncle who just didn't like the way the parents were raising them....

Praying that these little ones are found soon, and SAFE!

[Meech]

I'm Sorry rural area or not...My 2 year old son will not go outside without me or my hubby present.

[Timex]

News conference coming up on Fox

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I still wonder why the kids still had their shoes on if they had been inside from 4 to 6....
Many people keep their shoes on all day until they go to bed; many people take them off as soon as they get home. I don't find that odd at all.

[Jeana (DP)]

gosh, I must be in the twilight zone! LOL.
I learn something new all the time from people on this board.
I guess I would just be overprotective then as a parent because I don't see kids under the age of 5 outside playing by themselves or consider it common at all. Maybe it's because I am very well aware of missing people and am scared to death for children. My poor kids would probably think I was annoying, lol.

My two youngest are 10 and 11. We've got three cops and an FBI agent in our neighborhood and my kids are not allowed to play outside by themselves. Kids disappear from every kind of neighborhood because there are child molesters in every kind of neighborhood. Its true that I can't guaranty that my kids will never be the victim of that type of crime, but it sure as heck won't be because I didn't watch them while they were out of my house.

[kgeaux]

I don't find a toddler out playing in a rural area at that time of day odd. When my kids were younger it wasn't all that unusual for them to play outside after dinner, especially when the time changed and it stayed daylight longer. The more energy I could get them to run out the better!!


Same here. My children were stairsteps....the first four were born in five years...we lived on a dead-end street, knew all our neighbors, had a fenced in yard, and my boys LIVED outside...I'd play out with them as much as I could, but when I was cooking or cleaning, I'd check on them out the windows. The whole neighborhood did this. We'd watch out for each other and for all the children. In fact, GASP!!! My boys played in the street!! Even when they were tiny! Every day!! By the time they were seven or eight, they could walk down the bike trail to a neighborhood store! Alone!!

So much depends on what is normal in the area you are living in. I'm not ready to cast any stones at this woman. I haven't seen a thing that gives me any indication that she is to blame for this. If I have to change my tune later, I will, but in the meantime, I'm not going to blame her.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

regarding them having been "taken"....it wouldn't be that easy, to grab hold of two screaming (maybe) kicking toddlers, rush out of the house or yard and open the gate and close it again, unless this person had alot more than two arms.

Even if there was no struggle, and the person said..."hey quick...I have to show you somethng...shhh....it's a surprise...don't let your Mom hear us..."
Good points. It could be that they wandered out and someone snatched them when they saw them. It seems more likely that if they wandered out, they could have become lost in the woods. They are so tiny & it's been so cold. It seems like one possibility is as bad as the next. :(

[lauriej]

I don't find a toddler out playing in a rural area at that time of day odd. When my kids were younger it wasn't all that unusual for them to play outside after dinner, especially when the time changed and it stayed daylight longer. The more energy I could get them to run out the better!!
i find it absolutely insane for a 2yr. old and a 3 yr. old to be playing outside at any time of day ALONE, especially with that huge 'pond' right there!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

True, but a 2 and 3 year old go out to play after dinner or I mean after 6?? I think that's a far stretch.... I don't know though, I could just be old fashioned. I just don't see 2 and 3 year olds out playing after 6pm where i live... that's too little.
It's still daylight. It was a Saturday evening. I just don't see this as being at all bizarre. Especially out in a rural area. Perhaps they were going to hunt fireflies or grasshoppers or look for tadpoles, (like someone mentioned earlier). Or maybe they just didn't take their shoes off when they came in. My kids never do. I wish they would but they never do.

[luthersmama]

Same here. My children were stairsteps....the first four were born in five years...we lived on a dead-end street, knew all our neighbors, had a fenced in yard, and my boys LIVED outside...I'd play out with them as much as I could, but when I was cooking or cleaning, I'd check on them out the windows. The whole neighborhood did this. We'd watch out for each other and for all the children. In fact, GASP!!! My boys played in the street!! Even when they were tiny! Every day!! By the time they were seven or eight, they could walk down the bike trail to a neighborhood store! Alone!!

So much depends on what is normal in the area you are living in. I'm not ready to cast any stones at this woman. I haven't seen a thing that gives me any indication that she is to blame for this. If I have to change my tune later, I will, but in the meantime, I'm not going to blame her.

When we were kids my cousins and I had the run of the "town"...not that there was much "town" involved. We played in the streams, we hiked in the woods...caught frogs, it was great! Consequently, my daughters enjoyed a similar lifestyle, although they had somewhat more constricted boundaries that expanded as they got older. When they were very small we had a fenced-in yard. THen we moved and they had to stay in a certain area. They were very compliant. There were trees that they were allowed to climb, others that they had to stay out of. If they were going down to the stream they had to tell me and then stay together and watch out for each other.

Little boys might be more of a problem.....

I think everybody has to make their own judgment call on this one. My view is that the chance of a stranger abduction at my home is extremely slim. I would rather have the girls grow up with a sense of freedom and exploration that turn into little couch potatos that are afraid to be outside. Everybody's situation is different depending on where you live, what your yard is like, how well behaved the kids are....there's no "one size fits all".

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I can understand your point... but two hours?? 6pm? That's close to dinner and little kids at the age of 2 and 3 running around all day with shoes on?
A lot of people would think that I'm crazy by the way I raise my children; I'm well aware of that. For instance, my two year-old does not have a bed time. If she falls asleep at 7:00, that's fine. If she can't seem to fall asleep until 2:00 A.M., I just make myself a lot of tea, and hang out with her until she's sleepy. I figure that she's only going to be a baby once. Someday she'll have to get up for school and then work and then her own babies will wake her. So for now, it's up to her when she wants to go to bed. At the same time, I have friends whose 12 year-old goes to bed by 8:00 P.M. every night, including weekends and summer nights, (except for the infrequent special occassion). And that's odd to me. So I think that we all do things differently regarding household rules.

[PrayersForMaura]

i find it absolutely insane for a 2yr. old and a 3 yr. old to be playing outside at any time of day ALONE, especially with that huge 'pond' right there!
thank you, I was starting to think I was an anomaly!
It just seems too young for kids to be outside alone no matter if it's down on the farm or up in Beverly hills!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I cant see them as having wandered off, simply because how far could they get in such a short time? The only way I could see this scenario is if, sadly, they were to be found in the lake/pond..
Here's a possibility. They were outside earlier in the day. Maybe they asked their mom if they could go over to the lake,( or into the woods or to the corner store or whatever might be around), and Mom said no. Then when Mom goes into the other room, after a minute or so, the 3 year-old thinks, "Hey, let's go to the lake now while Mommy's not here", and off they go. I don't know if it's probable but it seems possible.

[Meech]

A lot of people would think that I'm crazy by the way I raise my children; I'm well aware of that. For instance, my two year-old does not have a bed time. If she falls asleep at 7:00, that's fine. If she can't seem to fall asleep until 2:00 A.M., I just make myself a lot of tea, and hang out with her until she's sleepy. I figure that she's only going to be a baby once. Someday she'll have to get up for school and then work and then her own babies will wake her. So for now, it's up to her when she wants to go to bed. At the same time, I have friends whose 12 year-old goes to bed by 8:00 P.M. every night, including weekends and summer nights, (except for the infrequent special occassion). And that's odd to me. So I think that we all do things differently regarding household rules.

Oh no JerseyGirl how in the world do you have time For Just you? My 2 year old goes to bed every night at 9pm or I would never have time for myself. Bless you.. Because mine son requires my time between 9am -9pm

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

If one kid fell in the pond/lake, would the other jump in to save him or her? I don't think so, because I think the kid would freak out and run back into the house to tell mommy.
Maybe they were holding hands; big brother walking his little sister around the pond/lake? If one fell, they'd both fall.

[KatherineQ]

Could it be a babysitter?

You know how sometimes babysitters get really attached, or decide the kids aren't being raised right, and snatch the kids?

It seems very rare for a predator to snatch TWO children, a boy and a girl, that just doesn't make a bit of sense to me, to take two.

It's like, the kind of thing a parent who's lost rights does. Because they want those kids.

[Jeana (DP)]

A lot of people would think that I'm crazy by the way I raise my children; I'm well aware of that. For instance, my two year-old does not have a bed time. If she falls asleep at 7:00, that's fine. If she can't seem to fall asleep until 2:00 A.M., I just make myself a lot of tea, and hang out with her until she's sleepy. I figure that she's only going to be a baby once. Someday she'll have to get up for school and then work and then her own babies will wake her. So for now, it's up to her when she wants to go to bed. At the same time, I have friends whose 12 year-old goes to bed by 8:00 P.M. every night, including weekends and summer nights, (except for the infrequent special occassion). And that's odd to me. So I think that we all do things differently regarding household rules.

My kids have strict bedtimes during the school year. My 10 year old daughter at 8:00 and she'll be allowed to read in bed for 30 minutes. My 11 year old son gets to stay up until 8:30 and then read until 9:00 and then he usually falls asleep with his radio on. During the school year, I find that they get up easily in the morning, in a good mood and do well at school. Every once in a while, my daughter will beg me to allow her to stay up later so she can catch a special on television and I usually allow her to do so. However, I warn her, that if she has a problem waking up the next morning, I won't be a happy camper! LOL Since my husband usually doesn't set hours, he let's them stay up a bit later in the summer and sleep in a bit. Personally, I think its because he likes sleeping in a bit in the summer!!! LOL

[PrayersForMaura]

Could it be a babysitter?

You know how sometimes babysitters get really attached, or decide the kids aren't being raised right, and snatch the kids?

It seems very rare for a predator to snatch TWO children, a boy and a girl, that just doesn't make a bit of sense to me, to take two.

It's like, the kind of thing a parent who's lost rights does. Because they want those kids.I totally agree... usually, wouldn't a pedophile take same sex kids not one of each??
If someone took BOTH kids, then I think it's someone who know the children.

If a babysitter or family member did this, then I would think the mother and father told authorities about any concerns they had or anyone else who might be suspect. And wouldn't these people who are suspects be mentioned by LE as "people we are seeking" as "peple of interest"?

Could this have anything to do with their previous home of Arizona? Maybe a stalker type?? i don't know... just trying to hope for the best and not the worst.

[lauriej]

Here's a possibility. They were outside earlier in the day. Maybe they asked their mom if they could go over to the lake,( or into the woods or to the corner store or whatever might be around), and Mom said no. Then when Mom goes into the other room, after a minute or so, the 3 year-old thinks, "Hey, let's go to the lake now while Mommy's not here", and off they go. I don't know if it's probable but it seems possible.
i'd say it's very possible, the very reason why i still maintain that a THREE yr. old can't be considered 'old enough' to be in charge of himself and his little sister outside...

[Jeana (DP)]

I totally agree... usually, wouldn't a pedophile take same sex kids not one of each??
If someone took BOTH kids, then I think it's someone who know the children.

If a babysitter or family member did this, then I would think the mother and father told authorities about any concerns they had or anyone else who might be suspect. And wouldn't these people who are suspects be mentioned by LE as "people we are seeking" as "peple of interest"?

Could this have anything to do with their previous home of Arizona? Maybe a stalker type?? i don't know... just trying to hope for the best and not the worst.


I did read that more than one polygraph test was given, so there has got to be some other people of interest.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

People are wondering over there, just like we are here, about extended family....a grandparent, aunt or uncle who just didn't like the way the parents were raising them....
Or family from Arizona that wanted the kids back in their lives? How I hope that that's the case ... an estranged set of grandparents that just wants to see the kids again.

[lauriej]

I totally agree... usually, wouldn't a pedophile take same sex kids not one of each??
If someone took BOTH kids, then I think it's someone who know the children.

If a babysitter or family member did this, then I would think the mother and father told authorities about any concerns they had or anyone else who might be suspect. And wouldn't these people who are suspects be mentioned by LE as "people we are seeking" as "peple of interest"?

Could this have anything to do with their previous home of Arizona? Maybe a stalker type?? i don't know... just trying to hope for the best and not the worst.
per cnn.com:
Bankhead said that while authorities "are trying to concentrate our efforts on finding the kids, there are other aspects of the investigation that we're pursuing that I can't get into at this point."

The GBI man said that authorities had interviewed several people and administered more than one polygraph examination.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/25/missing.toddlers/index.html

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

thank you, I was starting to think I was an anomaly!
It just seems too young for kids to be outside alone no matter if it's down on the farm or up in Beverly hills!
Maybe we were all arguing two different topics without knowing it. I was only saying that I don't find it odd that children would still have their shoes on at 6 P.M., or that they would go back outside to play after dinner. I personally would NEVER let children that young out to play alone regardless of where I live.