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mainepotato
05-04-2005, 01:13 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The woman charged with strangling an expectant mother and cutting the baby from her womb was placed on a suicide watch after authorities found a stash of medications in her jail cell, a federal prosecutor says.

Link to full article:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11560985.htm

luvbeaches
05-04-2005, 06:51 PM
I saw that story on our local news today. Thanks for posting the story... :)

sharon25
05-14-2005, 01:21 PM
She'd better NOT kill herself!!

I want her to live a long and miserable life.

jessie harris
05-14-2005, 07:33 PM
Does anybody know who her other children are now living with, I do remember there father was applying for custody?

englishleigh
05-15-2005, 12:01 AM
She'd better NOT kill herself!!

I want her to live a long and miserable life.


I want her to go through a trial where she is forced to re-live the horror & pain she inflicted on that poor girl and is made to feel like the miserable animal she is, then receive the federal death penalty.

sharon25
05-15-2005, 01:56 AM
I want her to go through a trial where she is forced to re-live the horror & pain she inflicted on that poor girl and is made to feel like the miserable animal she is, then receive the federal death penalty.
that depends on what method they use there.

I have no sympathy or mercy for this "woman"

madgallico
05-15-2005, 07:05 AM
.I have no sympathy or mercy for this "woman"
My thoughts exactly.
The complete lack of regard for Bobbie Jo's life is unbelievable. Bobbie Jo was on the brink of a wonderful life with a beautiful daughter. She had a husband who loved them both. Then this SELFISH excuse for a human being took all that away from them & their loved ones. :furious: Suicide is typical for a coward like that.

englishleigh
03-10-2006, 04:00 PM
U.S. Attorney Todd Graves announces resignation
DAVID TWIDDY
Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Saying "the best chapter of my life is closed," U.S. Attorney Todd P. Graves said Friday that he is resigning after nearly five years of prosecuting federal cases in western Missouri.

Graves, 40, the former Platte County prosecutor, said his resignation would take effect March 24.

During a news conference, Graves said he planned to return to private practice and become more involved in politics, although he said he hadn't decided whether he would run for office in the near future.

"I have the greatest job a practicing lawyer anywhere could have," he said, surrounded by his top assistant U.S. attorneys and staff. "But I'm also someone who thinks the next thing is going to be the best thing, the greatest thing."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/14067307.htm

Darn, I was looking forward to this man having a hand in putting Lisa away...he was the one in charge when this heinous murder happened in December 2004.

Goody
04-11-2006, 02:26 PM
U.S. Attorney Todd Graves announces resignation
DAVID TWIDDY
Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Saying "the best chapter of my life is closed," U.S. Attorney Todd P. Graves said Friday that he is resigning after nearly five years of prosecuting federal cases in western Missouri.

Graves, 40, the former Platte County prosecutor, said his resignation would take effect March 24.

During a news conference, Graves said he planned to return to private practice and become more involved in politics, although he said he hadn't decided whether he would run for office in the near future.

"I have the greatest job a practicing lawyer anywhere could have," he said, surrounded by his top assistant U.S. attorneys and staff. "But I'm also someone who thinks the next thing is going to be the best thing, the greatest thing."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/14067307.htm

Darn, I was looking forward to this man having a hand in putting Lisa away...he was the one in charge when this heinous murder happened in December 2004.
It is not going to be a difficult case to prove no matter who tries it, so I wouldn't worry.

TiddlyWinker
05-15-2006, 07:37 PM
Do you really think anyone who committs such a crime to begin with, feels anything?

englishleigh
06-06-2006, 11:29 AM
It is not going to be a difficult case to prove no matter who tries it, so I wouldn't worry.

You are right about that. She is going down.

delaney
06-13-2006, 09:28 PM
There is a new book out called Murder in the Heartland by M. William Phelps.
The book covers the crime to this point and will be in paperback with the trial added to it sometime in 2007.

The book is at K-Mart for $12.00 and at other book stores in hard-bound for $23.00. Catherine Crier had the author on today. I already read the book, I think I was the first kid on my block to have it and I couldn't put it down!

joe jones
06-14-2006, 03:26 PM
Anybody know when the trial is?

delaney
06-14-2006, 06:41 PM
According to Phelps, October 2006.

englishleigh
06-21-2006, 12:42 PM
According to Phelps, October 2006.

I hope we'll get a forum for this one. I have followed this case since it happened. I can't wait to read the book. :)

MsRusty
07-18-2006, 04:45 PM
There is another book on this case due out on 8/29/06. It's by Dianne Fanning and it's called "Baby Be Mine".

englishleigh
09-05-2006, 08:52 AM
Has anyone heard when this cow Lisa Montgomery is going to trial NOW? The last I heard it was October of this year....they keep putting it off.

Goody
09-10-2006, 04:18 PM
Do you really think anyone who committs such a crime to begin with, feels anything?
Yes, but mostly for themselves, not necessarily for others. Some of the most insensitive people I have known were overly sensitive about their own feelings and easily wounded, which often caused them to lash out at others. I don't think they even knew how hurtful they were to others because they could only feel their own pain.

raisincharlie
09-20-2006, 07:34 PM
Has anyone heard when this cow Lisa Montgomery is going to trial NOW? The last I heard it was October of this year....they keep putting it off.
The last I saw on the district website was the schedule for October as well. I am waiting impatiently for this one to proceed. I was on a jaunt the other day and drove past Leavenworth - reminded me that the crazy one remains incarcerated there. I am most curious about the kind of case the defense will present for this monster. Personally I wished that they would have kept her in the Skidmore jail, but then we would never see her tried for her most heinous crime.

raisincharlie
09-20-2006, 08:57 PM
It appears the defense will definitely present some kind of insanity case for Ms. Montgomery. Note the US Attorney's office has apparently retained the famous (infamous?) Dr. Park Dietz in opposition.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/news2006/montgomery_attachment12.pdf

Lets hope he (Dietz) hasn't consulted on another imaginary episode for Law and Order prior to his testimony.

englishleigh
09-20-2006, 09:36 PM
It appears the defense will definitely present some kind of insanity case for Ms. Montgomery. Note the US Attorney's office has apparently retained the famous (infamous?) Dr. Park Dietz in opposition.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/news2006/montgomery_attachment12.pdf

Lets hope he (Dietz) hasn't consulted on another imaginary episode for Law and Order prior to his testimony.

Oh, nooooo!! Park Dietz?? :doh: I'm surprised he is still consulted at all!!!

raisincharlie
09-21-2006, 09:54 AM
Oh, nooooo!! Park Dietz?? :doh: I'm surprised he is still consulted at all!!!
IMO he is a shamus of the highest order - I'm also surprised he is being consulted with - but then again he will say whatever you pay him to say at any time. He has no compass IMO - his testimony and allegations in the Andrea Yates trial were nothing short of sheer imagination on his part, from my perspective anyway.

This will be a death penalty case - I find it absolutely disgusting that this man has any involvement, no matter what side he takes period. Trials are supposed to be a search for the truth - IMO this man wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him squarely in the face and knocked him off that pedestal he has placed himself upon. JMO of course.

englishleigh
09-24-2006, 08:55 AM
This article, in the last sentence, states that Lisa Montgomery will stand trial April 30th, 2007.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060924/ap_on_re_us/woman_slain_37

givree
01-02-2007, 05:32 PM
I hope CTV keep us up to date with this trial, due to it being in Federal court it won't be televised

kazzbar
01-06-2007, 07:20 AM
This case has taken forever to come to trial. Let us hope that there is justice for poor Bobbie Jo and her husband. What was done to her was undescribable.

englishleigh
01-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Agreed. There better be some justice here. I don't know why this has taken so long. The last two Christmases I have thought about Bobbie Jo...it's been over 2 years now. I wonder what Tory looks like now? I'd love to see a photo of her.

kazzbar
01-06-2007, 05:49 PM
Agreed. There better be some justice here. I don't know why this has taken so long. The last two Christmases I have thought about Bobbie Jo...it's been over 2 years now. I wonder what Tory looks like now? I'd love to see a photo of her.I followed this case when it all took place and assumed it was all done and dusted.I was surprised when I read the thread that the trial was still coming up.I feel for Bobbies family , no case needs to be so slow. Do you know why it is? Yes, I would like to know how her dear little daughter is also. Such a miracle that she survived. A blessing.

Mygirlsadie
01-06-2007, 07:50 PM
I seriously truely believe that half if not more then half of the crimes in the USA would NOT happen to begin with if we made the new law AN EYE FOR AN EYE! Yes it may sound barbaric to some but I bet it would deter alot of people from doing stuff.

raisincharlie
01-17-2007, 09:46 PM
I seriously truely believe that half if not more then half of the crimes in the USA would NOT happen to begin with if we made the new law AN EYE FOR AN EYE! Yes it may sound barbaric to some but I bet it would deter alot of people from doing stuff.
I agree with your suggestion - an eye for an eye - but I do doubt it would stop the truly vile and/or vicious criminals as they simply have their own rules and perceptions of reality which obviously does not include consideration for law or anyone other than themselves.

One would have thought that the ignorant, murdering Scott Peterson trial would have sent a message to potential wife murders that divorce is an option - it did not obviously. The death penalty itself is not a sufficient deterent to crime with respect to those that have personality disorders - the law is of no consideration to them nor are the consequences for breaking it. JMO

dark_shadows
01-17-2007, 11:17 PM
It is a procedure in facilities. Anyone entering a facility is placed on suicide watch until they are booked and will stay on those checks until they are not deamed a suicide threat. If a suicide attempt was made after they were cleared, then they are back on suicide watch. It is procedure, no matter who you are.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Nore
01-19-2007, 03:17 PM
My thoughts exactly.
The complete lack of regard for Bobbie Jo's life is unbelievable. Bobbie Jo was on the brink of a wonderful life with a beautiful daughter. She had a husband who loved them both. Then this SELFISH excuse for a human being took all that away from them & their loved ones. :furious: Suicide is typical for a coward like that.
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madgallico~Jared is a beautiful little Angel.

englishleigh
03-08-2007, 01:37 PM
Does anyone know if this trial is still a go for April??? I hope so, it's way past time.

Beyond Belief
04-12-2007, 09:26 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- A federal judge Thursday postponed the trial of a woman accused of killing an expectant mother and cutting her fetus from the womb until Oct. 1.
Judge Gary A. Fenner set the new date for Lisa Montgomery's trial to allow more time for mental health experts to complete evaluations.
Montgomery, 39, was scheduled to go on trial April 30 on one federal count of kidnapping resulting in death.
She has pleaded not guilty, and her lawyers announced last month that they would rely partly on a defense of "diminished capacity," commonly called the insanity defense. It requires mental health evaluations.
Prosecutors said there wasn't enough time before April 30 for their experts to interview Montgomery and write their reports. Defense attorneys said theirs also needed more time.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PREGNANT_WOMAN_SLAIN?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

raisincharlie
04-13-2007, 09:16 AM
After 2.5 years - both sides remain unprepared to bring this to trial - this is shameful !

IndyLaw
09-18-2007, 02:48 PM
Does anyone have any new info on this trial? Still a go for October?

raisincharlie
09-21-2007, 11:13 AM
Does anyone have any new info on this trial? Still a go for October?

The Western District still has it listed as starting October 1, on their web page anyhow. Don't know how often they update the site however. Will post the link:

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/montgomery.html

IndyLaw
09-26-2007, 03:00 PM
Thanks RaisinCharlie - hopefully the trial will begin on time.

raisincharlie
09-28-2007, 11:46 PM
Thanks RaisinCharlie - hopefully the trial will begin on time.


Here's an update - looks like no more delays - set to start jury selection 1 Oct - Monday:


http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/montgomery.html

snowshuze
09-30-2007, 07:10 PM
Yes! Finally!

englishleigh
09-30-2007, 08:27 PM
Awesome!! MAY THERE BE JUSTICE FOR BOBBIE JO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:woohoo:

Does anyone know of any updates on how Victoria and her dad Zeb are doing? I have thought of them often.

snowshuze
10-01-2007, 09:47 AM
I am ready for news.....ANY news. Anyone planning on attending the trial?

snowshuze
10-01-2007, 09:50 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/297920.html

The critical issue at Lisa Montgomery’s upcoming trial is not so much whether she killed Bobbie Jo Stinnett and kidnapped her unborn baby, but whether she was sane.

snowshuze
10-02-2007, 12:38 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/298192.html

A woman accused of strangling a pregnant woman and cutting the baby from her womb with a kitchen knife watched in court Monday as attorneys began selecting a federal court jury for her trial.

raisincharlie
10-02-2007, 09:02 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/298192.html

A woman accused of strangling a pregnant woman and cutting the baby from her womb with a kitchen knife watched in court Monday as attorneys began selecting a federal court jury for her trial.

Thanks for the update Shuze - appreciate it - ;)

raisincharlie
10-03-2007, 02:34 PM
Jury seated - opening statements Thursday AM.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/14241653/detail.html

snowshuze
10-03-2007, 05:55 PM
FBI Affidavit in Support of Criminal Complaint 12/17/04

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/kidnap/usmntgmry121704aff.html

snowshuze
10-03-2007, 06:07 PM
In the week before the trial, there was a flurry of court filings.
One by the defense asked U.S. District Judge Gary A. Fenner to block prosecutors from showing a video, "A Live C-Section Surgery from First Cut to Last Stitch."
Prosecutors have agreed to not show the video to jurors but do intend to show that Montgomery accessed a Web site featuring that video, accessed other websites with "how-to-do" Caesarean section information in the delivery of a baby, and selected a how-to-do a C-section video for her computer, which wouldn't display it.

http://cjonline.com/stories/100107/kan_204355488.shtml

raisincharlie
10-03-2007, 09:53 PM
In the week before the trial, there was a flurry of court filings.
One by the defense asked U.S. District Judge Gary A. Fenner to block prosecutors from showing a video, "A Live C-Section Surgery from First Cut to Last Stitch."
Prosecutors have agreed to not show the video to jurors but do intend to show that Montgomery accessed a Web site featuring that video, accessed other websites with "how-to-do" Caesarean section information in the delivery of a baby, and selected a how-to-do a C-section video for her computer, which wouldn't display it.

http://cjonline.com/stories/100107/kan_204355488.shtml


I'm thinking the defense is going to have one heck of a time convincing anyone that Montgomery is legally insane because of those bumps on her head when she was young. Way too much planning to be a complete nut case - gonna be hard to overcome the depths of planning Ms. Montgomery employed.

The only thing that does bother me - the prosecution may possibly put Park Dietz on the stand - :furious:

snowshuze
10-03-2007, 10:02 PM
U.S. District Judge Gary A. Fenner granted the prosecution motion to disallow testimony from Ruben Gur, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania (http://www.kctv5.com/news/14241653/detail.html#). Gur had testified in earlier hearings that previous head injuries contributed to Lisa Montgomery's alleged role in the December 2004 death of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, of Skidmore.
http://www.kctv5.com/news/14241653/detail.html

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Raisin,the bump on the head defense is OUT. :)

snowshuze
10-04-2007, 09:23 AM
With a jury selected and the last pretrial matters settled, opening statements and testimony in the kidnapping trial of Lisa Montgomery will happen this morning.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/302443.html

raisincharlie
10-04-2007, 12:53 PM
Update from opening statements:

http://cjonline.com/stories/100407/bre_montgomery.shtml

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A federal prosecutor told a U.S. District Court jury this morning that Bobbie Jo Stinnett was still alive when her baby was cut from her body on Dec. 16, 2004, at her Skidmore, Mo., home.



http://www.kctv5.com/news/14241653/detail.html


During opening statements Thursday in the trial of Lisa Montgomery, federal prosecutor Matt Whitworth also told jurors Montgomery was concerned about losing child support payments if she lost custody of her children.

The night before Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, was killed in her Skidmore home and had her baby cut from her womb, Montgomery told her ex-husband, "I'll show you, I'll prove you wrong, I'm pregnant," Whitworth said.




According to noon news on WDAF (myfoxkc.com) Zeb Stinnet (Bobbie Jo's husband) and Becky Harper (Bobbie Jo's Mother) both testified this morning. WDAF has live streaming news at noon and 6 and are airing reports from the court house.


SE

luvbeaches
10-04-2007, 08:00 PM
The insanity plea is never going to fly in this case...but I think this is all the defense had to work with. She did it...they knew she did, so other than pleading guilty, there's not any other options...that I can think of.

There was too much pre-planning prior to her killing and stealing the baby. I suspect this trial will be over pretty quickly and she'll be convicted...which is what should happen, IMO.

englishleigh
10-04-2007, 08:23 PM
This story has haunted me since it happened, and I have been waiting for the trial. I wish there were photos and footage from court. I'd also love to see what Victoria Jo looks like now. I can't believe she'll soon be 3.

enlightenme
10-05-2007, 10:00 AM
The insanity plea is never going to fly in this case...but I think this is all the defense had to work with. She did it...they knew she did, so other than pleading guilty, there's not any other options...that I can think of.

There was too much pre-planning prior to her killing and stealing the baby. I suspect this trial will be over pretty quickly and she'll be convicted...which is what should happen, IMO.

No, I do not think the insanity plea will work at all!

From a link that snowshuze posted, http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/298192.html

"her lawyers have said they plan to use an insanity defense. They say Montgomery suffers from several conditions, including post-traumatic stress disorder, depression and impulsivity."

Those "conditions" do not rise to insanity, IMO. The defense only has this option though and it will fail.

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 10:03 AM
http://cjonline.com/stories/100507/loc_205419478.shtml

Bobbi Jo Stinnett told her husband at one point Montgomery "was claiming that she was pregnant again and everyone was saying it was false again." After a difficult pregnancy with a fourth child in 1990, Montgomery had a hysterectomy and couldn't have children.

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Amazing informational article.

enlightenme
10-05-2007, 10:10 AM
http://cjonline.com/stories/100507/loc_205419478.shtml

Bobbi Jo Stinnett told her husband at one point Montgomery "was claiming that she was pregnant again and everyone was saying it was false again." After a difficult pregnancy with a fourth child in 1990, Montgomery had a hysterectomy and couldn't have children.

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Amazing informational article.

Thx for the great links snowshuze!

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 10:12 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/304313.html

Have you explained to her what happened to her mother?” Whitworth asked.
“No,” Stinnett replied, simply.

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 10:17 AM
Duchardt told jurors that the defense would not deny Montgomery's involvement in Stinnett's death. But they intended to show Montgomery suffered from years of abuse, including being raped by a stepfather from when she was about 12 until she was 16.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/304663.html

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 10:25 AM
Article dated 12/29/04

Six days before Stinnett was killed, Boman had filed for custody of two of the four children he had with Montgomery, according to court records. On Monday, Boman, 43, speculated that Montgomery did not want to admit she had lied about being pregnant to her husband, family and friends in Melvern.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4033939/detail.html

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 10:31 AM
Courtroom sketches:

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_gallery.jsp?contentId=4546135&version=1&locale=EN-US

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 10:35 AM
Thx for the great links snowshuze!


You're welcome. ;)

raisincharlie
10-05-2007, 02:15 PM
You're welcome. ;)


Snowshuze - I was told you might find these to be interesting:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby3.htm This is the message Montgomery sent to Bobbie Jo the day before the murder.

In addition this link to a blog has some very interesting information:

http://patfish.blogspot.com/2004/12/tragic-death-of-bobbie-jo-stinnett.html

And how LE tracked down Montgomery:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby1.pdf


SE - the devil made me do it !

enlightenme
10-05-2007, 03:17 PM
Duchardt told jurors that the defense would not deny Montgomery's involvement in Stinnett's death. But they intended to show Montgomery suffered from years of abuse, including being raped by a stepfather from when she was about 12 until she was 16.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/304663.html

I'm so sorry this poor excuse for a human being has FOUR other children! I am so glad I am not on this jury and have to view those crime scene photos! I don't think I would be able to sleep at night! Awful!

snowshuze
10-05-2007, 04:16 PM
Snowshuze - I was told you might find these to be interesting:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby3.htm This is the message Montgomery sent to Bobbie Jo the day before the murder.

In addition this link to a blog has some very interesting information:

http://patfish.blogspot.com/2004/12/tragic-death-of-bobbie-jo-stinnett.html

And how LE tracked down Montgomery:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby1.pdf


SE - the devil made me do it !
Whooaaaaa. :eek:

luvbeaches
10-05-2007, 04:45 PM
The defense only has this option though and it will fail.

This is how I feel. They have nothing else short of standing in court and saying she's guilty. They've probably told her this is her only shot at getting away with this...which makes me sick. But it won't fly.

luvbeaches
10-05-2007, 05:03 PM
Snowshuze - I was told you might find these to be interesting:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby3.htm This is the message Montgomery sent to Bobbie Jo the day before the murder.

In addition this link to a blog has some very interesting information:

http://patfish.blogspot.com/2004/12/tragic-death-of-bobbie-jo-stinnett.html

And how LE tracked down Montgomery:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby1.pdf


SE - the devil made me do it !

Montgomery is a sick woman, but hardly insane. Too much planning for that to be the case.

raisincharlie
10-05-2007, 11:27 PM
Montgomery is a sick woman, but hardly insane. Too much planning for that to be the case.


I think Montgomery is a very bright woman in a very coniving self centered way - her lawyers in my opinion are of lesser IQ based on some of their claims. Such as today trying to raise doubt about a struggle - knowing full well Bobbie Jo was found with clumps of blond hair in her hands. But I will say this insanity approach is the only approach they can pursue.

Entirely too much planning indeed - no way she can be found legally insane IMO. Her statement to Carl Bowman ("I'll show you!") before she murdered Bobbie Jo is pretty much proof of premeditation, thinking, planning, and also acknowledges that she understands right and wrong.

luvbeaches
10-06-2007, 12:40 PM
I think Montgomery is a very bright woman in a very coniving self centered way - her lawyers in my opinion are of lesser IQ based on some of their claims. Such as today trying to raise doubt about a struggle - knowing full well Bobbie Jo was found with clumps of blond hair in her hands. But I will say this insanity approach is the only approach they can pursue.

Montgomery is a narcissist (and probably other things as well). It's all about her. She's sick, but she's certainly not insane. I think some of these attorneys live in a dream world. They believe if they say something, then magically it will be a fact...and they're hoping the jury will buy their hocus pocus. It won't work.



Entirely too much planning indeed - no way she can be found legally insane IMO. Her statement to Carl Bowman ("I'll show you!") before she murdered Bobbie Jo is pretty much proof of premeditation, thinking, planning, and also acknowledges that she understands right and wrong.

She did do a lot of planning, and that will be her downfall. The minute Bobbie Jo opened the door, she knew she was in trouble. Montgomery will be found guilty. There's no way around what she did. She planned everything in advance, and then she carried out her sick plan. She's toast. And she should be. A monster like Montgomery should not be allowed to roam free. IMO, she should get the DP.

chicoliving
10-06-2007, 05:56 PM
KANSAS CITY, Missouri — A medical examiner testified that she believed a 23-year-old pregnant woman was conscious and trying to defend herself as a kitchen knife was used to crudely cut the baby from her womb as she was killed.

The testimony came Friday in the federal trial of 39-year-old Lisa Montgomery, who is accused of killing Bobbie Jo Stinnett and taking the baby on Dec. 16, 2004. Montgomery was arrested the next day while showing off her new child in Melvern, Kansas. She has pleaded guilty by reason of insanity.

"The evidence to me shows that she regained consciousness while the incision was being made, a struggle ensued and she was strangled again," said Dr. Mary Case, the St. Louis County medical examiner.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299859,00.html

wasapi
10-06-2007, 10:50 PM
By coincidense a friend gave me the book, Murder in the Heartland, just last week. I literally could not put it down and read and read throughout the night and the next day. The author, M.W.Phelps makes Bobbie Jo, Lisa Montgomery, and the rest of the cast of characters as real as if you had known them.

Lisa Montgomery can be sized up in one word; Evil. And she actually believed she would get away with it. She some how managed to find two good, decent men to marry, and had 4 wonderful children. It wasn't enough for Lisa.

Somewhere I read that in the opening statement by her defence atty., he said something about Lisa only going to Bobbie's to get a puppy, and then thiings suddenly went horribly wrong. I couldn't believe it.

Montgomery planned the crime for months. If ever there was a death penalty case, this is it. After her arrest she called her ex-husband who was the father of her 4 children. She whined that she didn't "want to be in prison", and she "didn't want to die."

It was always about Lisa. Always.

Julia

wasapi
10-06-2007, 11:15 PM
[quote=raisincharlie;1719475]Snowshuze - I was told you might find these to be interesting:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby3.htm This is the message Montgomery sent to Bobbie Jo the day before the murder.

In addition this link to a blog has some very interesting information:

http://patfish.blogspot.com/2004/12/tragic-death-of-bobbie-jo-stinnett.html

And how LE tracked down Montgomery:

http://www.4law.co.il/baby1.pdf

Raisin,

Having just finished an indepth book on this topic, I was pretty shocked to read the link you provided - the patfish blogspot.com. You mentioned that it "has some very interesting information." Well, most of her information is wrong. I understand it was written early on, but I am suprised to see it is still up and easily accessed. If just a couple of facts were wrong - well, that would be one thing. But the woman writing the blog had no idea what she was talking about. I understand why the Stinnet family wanted her to remove it. The crime was horrible and sensational enough without someone sensationalizing it more with lies.

Julia

englishleigh
10-07-2007, 09:53 AM
KANSAS CITY, Missouri — A medical examiner testified that she believed a 23-year-old pregnant woman was conscious and trying to defend herself as a kitchen knife was used to crudely cut the baby from her womb as she was killed.

The testimony came Friday in the federal trial of 39-year-old Lisa Montgomery, who is accused of killing Bobbie Jo Stinnett and taking the baby on Dec. 16, 2004. Montgomery was arrested the next day while showing off her new child in Melvern, Kansas. She has pleaded guilty by reason of insanity.

"The evidence to me shows that she regained consciousness while the incision was being made, a struggle ensued and she was strangled again," said Dr. Mary Case, the St. Louis County medical examiner.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299859,00.html


I pictured this in my mind and I came to the conclusion that for Bobbie Jo to have been standing upright (to get her own blood on the bottoms of her shoes), half-conscious, still trying to fight Lisa while Lisa was apparently attempting a c-section on Bobbie, essentially means that Lisa repeatedly stabbed Bobbie brutally in the belly while Bobbie was standing and dragged the knife across her several times in a Japanese "heri-keri" kind of deal. It was bad enough that I pictured her lying unconscious from being choked and having this done to her....but this new information I can barely wrap my mind around.

OMG!!!!!! Can you imagine the evil depravity this crime necessitated? Can you imagine the pain Bobbie Jo must have been in when she was conscious? Can you imagine the miracle it is that Victoria Jo was even delivered safely and survived such a birth???

Poor Bobbie Jo....may Lisa Montgomery ROT IN HELL.

Mygirlsadie
10-07-2007, 10:11 AM
Oh I agree with you! I always thought this was the most disturbing heart wrenching crime but now to hear that she woke up during ... it brings it to another level for me. I pray to God she did not suffer that horrible pain..I hope the shock of it all just didnt let her register the pain. The lady who did this is beyond sick she is just pure evil to the lowest degree.







I pictured this in my mind and I came to the conclusion that for Bobbie Jo to have been standing upright (to get her own blood on the bottoms of her shoes), half-conscious, still trying to fight Lisa while Lisa was apparently attempting a c-section on Bobbie, essentially means that Lisa repeatedly stabbed Bobbie brutally in the belly while Bobbie was standing and dragged the knife across her several times in a Japanese "heri-keri" kind of deal. It was bad enough that I pictured her lying unconscious from being choked and having this done to her....but this new information I can barely wrap my mind around.

OMG!!!!!! Can you imagine the evil depravity this crime necessitated? Can you imagine the pain Bobbie Jo must have been in when she was conscious? Can you imagine the miracle it is that Victoria Jo was even delivered safely and survived such a birth???

Poor Bobbie Jo....may Lisa Montgomery ROT IN HELL.

snowshuze
10-07-2007, 02:43 PM
KANSAS CITY, Missouri — A medical examiner testified that she believed a 23-year-old pregnant woman was conscious and trying to defend herself as a kitchen knife was used to crudely cut the baby from her womb as she was killed.

The testimony came Friday in the federal trial of 39-year-old Lisa Montgomery, who is accused of killing Bobbie Jo Stinnett and taking the baby on Dec. 16, 2004. Montgomery was arrested the next day while showing off her new child in Melvern, Kansas. She has pleaded guilty by reason of insanity.

"The evidence to me shows that she regained consciousness while the incision was being made, a struggle ensued and she was strangled again," said Dr. Mary Case, the St. Louis County medical examiner.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299859,00.html



From the same link....
Green, who worked with Montgomery at a Casey's convenience store, said Montgomery seemed in touch with reality and happy to be home.
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Kinda blows the insanity defense right out of the water, no?

luvbeaches
10-07-2007, 11:06 PM
Somewhere I read that in the opening statement by her defence atty., he said something about Lisa only going to Bobbie's to get a puppy, and then thiings suddenly went horribly wrong. I couldn't believe it.

If she was only going to Bobbie's to get a puppy, why the fake name? So things "went horrible wrong" and Bobbie died? Is this attorney trying to put blame on Bobbie?

I hope the jury members see right though this BS.




It was always about Lisa. Always.

I hope they put her to death. It's just too bad someone can't take a knife to her. I know this sounds sick, but this is how I feel. These killers should have to suffer like their victims did.

Samiya
10-08-2007, 11:14 AM
From Aussie news...

Strangled woman 'awoke' as baby cut from belly

Saturday Oct 6 11:20 AEST
A Missouri woman who was strangled by an acquaintance probably regained consciousness as the attacker sliced into her abdomen to steal her unborn baby, a pathologist testified yesterday.
Bobbie Jo Stinnett likely blacked out after being choked from behind with a rope but began struggling again when her attacker loosened the rope to begin cutting into her belly, said Mary Case, the chief medical examiner for St. Louis County, Missouri.
"There is evidence that she regained consciousness while the incision was made in her abdomen," Case testified.


more at link

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=303122

Sami

snowshuze
10-08-2007, 12:24 PM
What a horror. :(

raisincharlie
10-08-2007, 01:58 PM
[quote=raisincharlie;1719475]

Raisin,

Having just finished an indepth book on this topic, I was pretty shocked to read the link you provided - the patfish blogspot.com. You mentioned that it "has some very interesting information." Well, most of her information is wrong. I understand it was written early on, but I am suprised to see it is still up and easily accessed. If just a couple of facts were wrong - well, that would be one thing. But the woman writing the blog had no idea what she was talking about. I understand why the Stinnet family wanted her to remove it. The crime was horrible and sensational enough without someone sensationalizing it more with lies.

Julia

Wasapi,

Would that book have been "Murder in the Heartland " by M. William Phelps ? While I agree there is misinformation on the patfish blog due to it being "real time" - there is an equal amount in the Phelps book. I know that for a couple of reasons - MSHP officers on the case.

The only close truth is what is being presented in court and unfortunately we will not be privy to it unless we care to spend a significant amount on transcripts. There is entirely too much in the Phelps book that was supplied by those who had axes to grind IMO. I find the book rather sensational as well.

raisincharlie
10-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Tuesday Noon News:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/309298.html

"The day of the alleged birth — Dec. 16, 2004 — Kevin Montgomery went to work as usual. He testified that he couldn’t reach his wife during the day and when he got home, she was gone. She called about 6 p.m., said she’d been shopping and went into labor and had the baby at Topeka birthing center.
She wanted to know if he wanted to pick her up or if she should drive home. He agreed to get her, and they met in a fast food restaurant parking lot in Topeka.
“You didn’t find that strange?” asked assistant U.S. attorney Matt Whitworth.
“No,” Kevin Montgomery said.

snowshuze
10-09-2007, 02:46 PM
Colwell, who said her former husband has poor social skills and is easily manipulated, tried to persuade him to bring Montgomery to a doctor so he would realize she wasn't pregnant. An appointment was set up, Colwell said, but Lisa Montgomery canceled it.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/14301438/detail.html

wasapi
10-10-2007, 03:26 AM
[quote=wasapi;1722209]

Wasapi,

Would that book have been "Murder in the Heartland " by M. William Phelps ? While I agree there is misinformation on the patfish blog due to it being "real time" - there is an equal amount in the Phelps book. I know that for a couple of reasons - MSHP officers on the case.

The only close truth is what is being presented in court and unfortunately we will not be privy to it unless we care to spend a significant amount on transcripts. There is entirely too much in the Phelps book that was supplied by those who had axes to grind IMO. I find the book rather sensational as well.

Raisin,

Yes, that is the book. I realize that Montgomery's ex-husband supplied the author with many of the details, and even as I was reading it I was aware that it was likely slanted. Mostly what caught my eye on the blog, concerned statements declaring that Montgomery used dogs of questionable saleability to practice doing cesareans on. (I believe the accusations on the board were even more embellished.) In the book, he does present a strong case that no such thing happened, and whatever knoweledge she had about that type of delivery she got from the internet.

Julia

raisincharlie
10-10-2007, 10:18 AM
[quote=raisincharlie;1724855]

Raisin,

Yes, that is the book. I realize that Montgomery's ex-husband supplied the author with many of the details, and even as I was reading it I was aware that it was likely slanted. Mostly what caught my eye on the blog, concerned statements declaring that Montgomery used dogs of questionable saleability to practice doing cesareans on. (I believe the accusations on the board were even more embellished.) In the book, he does present a strong case that no such thing happened, and whatever knoweledge she had about that type of delivery she got from the internet.

Julia

Unfortunately at the time, the theory of using dogs for practice was common especially on Ratter Chatter. It will be demonstrated that Montgomery's computer searches will reveal that videos from the internet were the actual source of information regarding C- sections.

As with any investigation, what is made known to the public is minimal and much of what goes round is speculation. As for the slant of the book - it definitely exists and in reality is comparable to a blog in that respect since the book was written long before this trial. The difference - people made money off the book. Money and a natural desire to make oneself look not so bad during a very bad time often lead to a great deal of misinformation. The only thing believable about the book was the complete circle of dysfunctionality surrounding and including Mrs. Montgomery from the day she was born. The book IMO provides a vehicle for those individuals to deny their dsyfunctionality and absolve their feelings of guilt at someone else's expense. JMO

raisincharlie
10-10-2007, 03:23 PM
Wednesday News:

http://www.stjoenews-press.com/main.asp?SectionID=81&SubSectionID=272&ArticleID=97839

Among the evidence collected at the house were:

- A receipt from Toys 'R Us for baby bottles and formula dated November 2004.

- Birth announcements with the name Abagail Marie, the name Ms. Montgomery allegedly wanted use for the child.

- A disposable camera with pictures of the baby.

- A box mailed from a company in North Carolina that contained the materials for a home-birthing kit.

Evidence collected from Ms. Montgomery's car included:

- A bloody pink overcoat with a bloody silver-handled kitchen knife in the pocket.

- A trash bag containing bloody rags, a length of rope covered with hair and blood.

- A diaper bag.

Inside the car, investigators also found a bag containing a ski-mask and Latex gloves, and a piece of paper with Ms. Stinnett's address in Skidmore, Mo.

snowshuze
10-10-2007, 04:35 PM
Wednesday News:

http://www.stjoenews-press.com/main.asp?SectionID=81&SubSectionID=272&ArticleID=97839

Among the evidence collected at the house were:

- A receipt from Toys 'R Us for baby bottles and formula dated November 2004.

- Birth announcements with the name Abagail Marie, the name Ms. Montgomery allegedly wanted use for the child.

- A disposable camera with pictures of the baby.

- A box mailed from a company in North Carolina that contained the materials for a home-birthing kit.

Evidence collected from Ms. Montgomery's car included:

- A bloody pink overcoat with a bloody silver-handled kitchen knife in the pocket.

- A trash bag containing bloody rags, a length of rope covered with hair and blood.

- A diaper bag.

Inside the car, investigators also found a bag containing a ski-mask and Latex gloves, and a piece of paper with Ms. Stinnett's address in Skidmore, Mo.


From the same link:
Ms. Montgomery's daughter had met Ms. Stinnett several times at dog shows and became friends, corresponding over the Internet.
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The more I read, the more creeped out and disgusted I become.

raisincharlie
10-11-2007, 09:05 AM
Prosecution to wrap up today 10/11

http://www.stjoenews-press.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=97854&SectionID=81&SubSectionID=272

At the conclusion of Wednesday's proceedings in federal court, Matt Whitworth, first assistant U.S. Attorney, told Federal Judge Gary Fenner that the prosecution expects to call several witnesses today before finishing presenting witnesses and evidence. Ms. Montgomery's lead attorney, Fred Duchardt Jr., said the defense would be ready to begin sometime in the afternoon.

snowshuze
10-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Someone using Lisa Montgomery’s computer searched the internet for ultrasound images in the months prior to Bobbie Jo Stinnett’s death, a government computer expert testified today.

http://www.kansascity.com/679/story/313011.html

snowshuze
10-12-2007, 01:19 PM
As authorities arrived at Lisa Montgomery’s Melvern, Kan., home in December 2004, her husband stepped out on the porch and posed a very specific question.
“He asked: ‘Is this about that missing baby?’ ” Maryville police detective Randy Strong testified Thursday.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/313974.html

snowshuze
10-12-2007, 01:21 PM
The prosecution rested its case this morning during the sixth day of Lisa Montgomery’s federal death penalty case.
The final witness for the government, FBI agent Mike Oyler, testified that Montgomery was lucid when he questioned her in December 2004 about the slaying of Bobbie Jo Stinnett the day before.

http://www.kansascity.com/679/story/314595.html

snowshuze
10-12-2007, 01:27 PM
Strong said Montgomery told them she used her hands to pull the baby out of the mother and clamped off the baby's umbilical cord. Fritz asked Montgomery whether she was telling officers she killed the mother, and she said yes, he testified.

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/101207/kan_207613896.shtml

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:09 PM
The mother of a woman who cut a baby from the womb of an acquaintance she killed testified that she caught her then-husband having sex with her daughter in 1984.
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/315275.html

close_enough
10-13-2007, 12:21 PM
The mother of a woman who cut a baby from the womb of an acquaintance she killed testified that she caught her then-husband having sex with her daughter in 1984.
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/315275.html

oh good lord...& this is suppose to be an 'excuse'???:boohoo:

:mad:

eta....montgomery's mother should be thrown under the jail along with montgomery...imo

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:23 PM
Part of that defense is that Montgomery was repeatedly abused and raped by her stepfather, Jack Kleiner, during her childhood and was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/14326519/detail.html

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Videos at link.

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:27 PM
oh good lord...& this is suppose to be an 'excuse'???:boohoo:

:mad:

eta....montgomery's mother should be thrown under the jail along with montgomery...imo



It's all the defense has to work with.
And I think there should be a larger hole under the jail for her whole family.
MOO and stuff.


ETA: Did no one, out of this whole family think MAYBE they should call someone to report the abuse?????

<from the cjonline link>
A parade of witnesses, including several siblings and stepsiblings, discussed not only the sexual abuse they say she suffered from her stepfather but also mistreatment by her mother.

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:32 PM
When a man congratulated Shaughnessy for being a grandmother again on Dec. 17, 2004, she didn't know what he was talking about. When told that Montgomery had been showing off a new baby in her hometown of Melvern, Kan., Shaughnessy said her first reaction was "she either bought it or stole it."

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/101307/loc_207965051.shtml

raisincharlie
10-13-2007, 12:32 PM
oh good lord...& this is suppose to be an 'excuse'???:boohoo:

:mad:

eta....montgomery's mother should be thrown under the jail along with montgomery...imo


Close - long time no see - hope you are doing well.

To add my two cents - I don't think there is any acceptable excuse for what Montgomery is responsible for doing. However I also think that her upbringing exemplifies how ones environment does indeed impact their destiny. What has been printed in the media so far is the tip of the iceberg - she learned her coldness, selfishness, and bitterness very early in life as continued learning it and practicing it throughout her life. Probably still does. But I doubt a non emotional view of her upbringing can't help but to lead one to garner a touch of understanding as to why she became capable of doing what she did.

IMO not only her mother should be accompanying her to jail but also her ex husband, the master manipulator and gamesman.

raisincharlie
10-13-2007, 12:46 PM
It's all the defense has to work with.
And I think there should be a larger hole under the jail for her whole family.
MOO and stuff.


ETA: Did no one, out of this whole family think MAYBE they should call someone to report the abuse?????

<from the cjonline link>
A parade of witnesses, including several siblings and stepsiblings, discussed not only the sexual abuse they say she suffered from her stepfather but also mistreatment by her mother.

The drunk mother running around with several other men on the abusing husband couldn't exactly report it, she would be faced with her own abuses of all those kids in court. Her response was to blame it on LM.

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:46 PM
Close - long time no see - hope you are doing well.

To add my two cents - I don't think there is any acceptable excuse for what Montgomery is responsible for doing. However I also think that her upbringing exemplifies how ones environment does indeed impact their destiny. What has been printed in the media so far is the tip of the iceberg - she learned her coldness, selfishness, and bitterness very early in life as continued learning it and practicing it throughout her life. Probably still does. But I doubt a non emotional view of her upbringing can't help but to lead one to garner a touch of understanding as to why she became capable of doing what she did.

IMO not only her mother should be accompanying her to jail but also her ex husband, the master manipulator and gamesman.

Hey raisin. :)
What it ALL boils down to, is DID SHE COMPREHEND WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG? <emphasis only>

raisincharlie
10-13-2007, 12:50 PM
Hey raisin. :)
What it ALL boils down to, is DID SHE COMPREHEND WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG? <emphasis only>

She admitted to hesitating and if you read that one article from CJOnline - she was near Bobbie Jo's home the day before the murder - she didn't do it then, she waited a day - IMO she definitely knew it was wrong - no other reason to hesitate. Hesitating to think it over isn't exactly an attribute of insane persons I would venture to say.

IMO she knew it was wrong - she just didn't care...except for herself.

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:52 PM
She admitted to hesitating and if you read that one article from CJOnline - she was near Bobbie Jo's home the day before the murder - she didn't do it then, she waited a day - IMO she definitely knew it was wrong - no other reason to hesitate. Hesitating to think it over isn't exactly an attribute of insane persons I would venture to say.

IMO she knew it was wrong - she just didn't care...except for herself.
Brilliant, as usual. Here's your cookie. :D

raisincharlie
10-13-2007, 12:55 PM
Brilliant, as usual. Here's your cookie. :D

ROFL:D

snowshuze
10-13-2007, 12:58 PM
I wonder what happened to the illustrious Dr Deitz?

raisincharlie
10-13-2007, 01:10 PM
I wonder what happened to the illustrious Dr Deitz?


I'm thinking the prosecution is holding him back for their rebuttal case. The DA did not present anything but the facts concerning the murder so I suspect they will hold all their bullets for the insanity defense for the rebuttal portion - after they hear what the defense "experts" have to say. Just my guess

close_enough
10-13-2007, 01:18 PM
Close - long time no see - hope you are doing well.

To add my two cents - I don't think there is any acceptable excuse for what Montgomery is responsible for doing. However I also think that her upbringing exemplifies how ones environment does indeed impact their destiny. What has been printed in the media so far is the tip of the iceberg - she learned her coldness, selfishness, and bitterness very early in life as continued learning it and practicing it throughout her life. Probably still does. But I doubt a non emotional view of her upbringing can't help but to lead one to garner a touch of understanding as to why she became capable of doing what she did.

IMO not only her mother should be accompanying her to jail but also her ex husband, the master manipulator and gamesman.

hi RC:) (waving)

i agree with your point made, but not an excuse to go lightly on this animal....
....you're right...she knew it was wrong...she knew what she was doing...not one shred of sympathy for this woman, here......she disgusts me!

snowshuze
10-15-2007, 12:54 PM
http://video.kansascity.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1530651

raisincharlie
10-15-2007, 03:57 PM
Defense is definitely going to have a tough row to hoe:

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4643245&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1


video report - apparently Ms. Montgomery had long nails, her daughter testified that LM had cut her nails when she saw LM with the baby. One has to wonder why a crazy person would bother with that, but a smart sane person might be thinking to clip the nails to remove DNA. Fortunately for LE that did not work in this case.

snowshuze
10-16-2007, 11:41 AM
Ms. Boman kept her answers short when recalling her mother's actions through her childhood. She said Ms. Montgomery often borrowed money from her as a teenager but never paid her back. She said Ms. Montgomery was sometimes "lazy" and untruthful about spending the family's money.
http://www.stjoenews-press.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=98022&SectionID=81&SubSectionID=272

snowshuze
10-16-2007, 11:45 AM
On cross-examination by prosecutors, Desiree Boman said her mother lied about other things and forced her children to cook, clean and pay for their own clothes.
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On cross-examination, Schnack agreed that weeks before Montgomery cut out Stinnett’s baby, the research included how to do Caesarean section deliveries. Schnack said that Montgomery spent only about eight minutes at the C-section Web sites.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/318927.html

raisincharlie
10-16-2007, 02:46 PM
I was wondering if we would hear about audio or visual hallucinations but seems Ms. Montgomery did not suffer from that particular problem:


http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/319413.html

Montgomery told her that she did not remember committing the crime that she was charged with, McCandless testified.
According to McCandless, Montgomery said, “I must have done it because I had that baby. I can’t think I would do something like that.”
Montgomery also told her, “I deserve to die if I did that,” McCandless testified.
At that time, Montgomery denied having any auditory or visual hallucinations, McCandless said.
McCandless’ initial diagnosis was that Montgomery suffered from bipolar disorder, depression and alcohol dependency.

snowshuze
10-17-2007, 02:33 PM
The defense on Tuesday delved into the mind of Lisa Montgomery, a mind that they argue was too sick to knowingly commit a horrendous crime.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/320638.html

snowshuze
10-17-2007, 02:37 PM
Ramachandran testified Tuesday he believed the defendant was in a dissociative state - similar to sleepwalking - at the time of the killing.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/321429.html

snowshuze
10-17-2007, 02:44 PM
McCandless acknowledged that the psychosis finding came two weeks after the Montgomery trial started in U.S. District Court and after Montgomery, who has sat at the defense table throughout the trial, had heard all the testimony by the prosecution witnesses.

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/101707/kan_209159986.shtml

luvbeaches
10-17-2007, 04:14 PM
Ramachandran testified Tuesday he believed the defendant was in a dissociative state - similar to sleepwalking - at the time of the killing.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/321429.html

They're grasping at straws. I just can't see this flying. She's a sick gal, but so are the other convicted killers.

raisincharlie
10-17-2007, 07:52 PM
The defense has rested:


http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/321116.html


Persons suffering from such a delusion will go as far as manufacturing evidence to cling to their delusion, Ramachandran said.
First Assistant U.S. Attorney Matt Whitworth questioned Ramachandran about all the evidence against Montgomery and the inconsistent statements she gave about her alleged pregnancy in the months leading up to Stinnett’s killing.
He testified that “fluctuations” in a person’s stories would be consistent with an emotionally disturbed person in a delusional state.“Despite all this evidence you contend that she didn’t know it was wrong?” Whitworth asked.
“That is correct,” Ramachandran answered.

snowshuze
10-18-2007, 10:35 AM
Dr. Daniel Martell, a rebuttal witness for the prosecution, testified that tests he and two other mental health experts administered showed Montgomery was exaggerating some symptoms of mental illness. Martell determined Montgomery had been faking mental illness to help her defense.
"I think she is a manipulative woman who will say what she needs in a situation to turn it to her advantage," he testified.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/321429.html

raisincharlie
10-18-2007, 11:56 AM
Dr. Daniel Martell, a rebuttal witness for the prosecution, testified that tests he and two other mental health experts administered showed Montgomery was exaggerating some symptoms of mental illness. Martell determined Montgomery had been faking mental illness to help her defense.
"I think she is a manipulative woman who will say what she needs in a situation to turn it to her advantage," he testified.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/321429.html



As I thought - high IQ for Ms. Montgomery...

http://cjonline.com/stories/101807/kan_209460211.shtml


Martell spent three days in May and two days in June conducting psychological testing on Montgomery He found that she had an IQ of 120, which is in the superior range. Montgomery would have scored higher, but she didn't give her best effort, Martell said. Montgomery pretended to have a memory problem and a mood disorder, including depression, Martell said.
Montgomery has post-traumatic stress disorder, which results from exposure to terrifying events, including assaults, Martell said.


The illustrious bs artist (IMO) Park Dietz is to be on the stand today. Lets hope he is no longer consulting for Law & Order and has learned that lying on the stand is not a good thing. I must say, I don't think any of these brain doctors has a real clue - their stories seem to vary more than Ms. Montgomery's do. JMO.

snowshuze
10-18-2007, 12:31 PM
From the same link:

Martell said the PTSD could be the result of suffering physical and sexual abuse as a child and a teen, but it also could stem from strangling Bobbie Jo Stinnett, then cutting Victoria Jo Stinnett from her mother's belly and due to sitting in jail facing trial.

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Heh. In a nutshell, COG.
MOO and stuff.

raisincharlie
10-18-2007, 01:27 PM
From the same link:

Martell said the PTSD could be the result of suffering physical and sexual abuse as a child and a teen, but it also could stem from strangling Bobbie Jo Stinnett, then cutting Victoria Jo Stinnett from her mother's belly and due to sitting in jail facing trial.

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Heh. In a nutshell, COG.
MOO and stuff.

I'm thinking sitting in jail would stress me out as well :D Guilty or not.

The above seems like a wash to me since Martell could not determine which triggered the PTSD but conceeded either could have and agreeing she did experience PTSD. I don't believe there is one of these brain doctors that can actually and truthfully answer the real question - legally sane or not. It appears they all have differing methods of reaching their conclusions and collecting their paychecks.

If nothing else, they seem to add nothing but confusion.

snowshuze
10-19-2007, 02:31 PM
http://www.cjonline.com/stories/101907/kan_209893148.shtml


When she arrived at the Stinnett home, she carried in her coat pocket a length of white rope to strangle Bobbie Jo Stinnett and a stainless steel knife to cut out her baby, Dietz said.
"It's total proof this wasn't impulsive," Dietz said.

reb
10-21-2007, 02:02 PM
Come on,, people-- just give her the death sentence already!!! She ain't 'legally insane'.. she's legally EVIL.

luvbeaches
10-21-2007, 08:39 PM
Come on,, people-- just give her the death sentence already!!! She ain't 'legally insane'.. she's legally EVIL.

That's the truth.

snowshuze
10-22-2007, 11:45 AM
Jurors will begin deliberations today, the first day of the trial's fourth week.
The jury of six men and six women has three choices:
• Acquit Montgomery, which would free her.
• Convict her.
• Find Montgomery not guilty by reason of insanity

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/102207/kan_210846681.shtml

snowshuze
10-22-2007, 12:37 PM
A key expert witness for the prosecution defended his objectivity Friday as testimony in the Lisa Montgomery kidnapping case concluded

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/325382.html

snowshuze
10-22-2007, 02:40 PM
Verdict watch.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/327848.html

snowshuze
10-22-2007, 02:41 PM
Prayers for justice for the family of Bobbie Jo Stinnet.

calidreamin
10-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Prayers for Bobbie Jo and her husband and baby!

snowshuze
10-22-2007, 06:45 PM
Guilty!!!!
http://www.kansascity.com/679/story/327848.html

luvbeaches
10-22-2007, 07:17 PM
I just knew she wouldn't get off. They'll give her the DP, which she deserves.

englishleigh
10-22-2007, 09:03 PM
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy to hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Now they need to give her the federal death penalty...she'll get the needle really fast, too.

Nore
10-23-2007, 02:36 PM
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy to hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Now they need to give her the federal death penalty...she'll get the needle really fast, too.
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Thank God!! this woman is pure evil.

snowshuze
10-24-2007, 10:11 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/679/story/330638.html

Penalty phase begins today.

snowshuze
10-24-2007, 01:01 PM
The chief defense attorney for convicted killer Lisa Montgomery wouldn't say Tuesday whether his client would testify on her own behalf today during the sentencing portion of her trial in federal court in Kansas City, Mo.

http://cjonline.com/stories/102407/kan_211511529.shtml

raisincharlie
10-24-2007, 05:41 PM
More on today's witnesses - it appears the defense has put some on as well so it seems to be moving quickly.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/14414209/detail.html

Asked by prosecutors if her mother had ever apologized for the crime, Boman said: "No. She doesn't remember doing it."

Later asked by the defense if Boman thought her mother was in her right mind during the killing, Boman said: "I don't think anybody could have been."

raisincharlie
10-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Jury = DEATH

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/

Ylanne Sorrows
10-26-2007, 05:59 PM
Good versus evil. Surely, everyone has heard that phrase now; it is so common as to have become nearly cliché. Nevertheless, as a people, we have always been fascinated with the concept of good and evil. God and the Devil. Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. America and the Terrorists. I am sure you can field several of your own examples of this concept in literature, movies, comics, and even in international politics. This classic discussion has its roots in the eve of humanity. With people, come good and evil.


I am sure many of you can recall playing Cowboys and Indians or War or Cops and Robbers, or something equally dramatic and appealing. Let me guess, the Indians were the badguys, and so were the robbers. When you were younger, did you write superhero comics? Was there an all powerful hero or heroine who was called to save the world? And no doubt, there was an equally nefarious villain, someone so evil and frightening you had nightmares. Did you ever write a fantasy story? A hero or heroine who needed to bring peace and justice to an otherwise dark and lost world? And there was an evil wizard, or an evil king, or anyone who could be called 'evil', right?


From our very conception, we have been confounded with the mystery of good and evil. Somehow, the good always wins and the evil is always punished with everlasting damnation or some sort of satisfactory punishment. Do you read the news? Do you read about terrorism? Whom in history might you name as an evil person? Might you say King Henry VIII, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the biblical Pharaoh who ordered all Hebrew babies killed? When you think of these people, do you imagine sadistic psychopaths with hearts as black as coal? Do you label these people evil human beings?


What if someone told you otherwise? What would you say to them? Would you laugh and say "You're joking, right?" and wait for them to confirm your first reaction? Well, ladies and gentleman, I am that person. I am saying to you that none of those people, not one of the supposedly evil criminals and terrorists in the world is an evil person. And I am not joking, contrary to your first impressions. By now, perhaps you are scratching your head, looking sideways at your computer screen and saying "What?!" Or maybe you are more militant in your opposition, leaping from your chair and stabbing a finger towards the screen screaming in a hoarse voice "Liar!!! YOU'RE JUST ONE OF THEM YOU *expletive*!!!" or some variation on that concept. But nevertheless, I say to you that there is no such thing as an evil person. Likewise, there is no such thing as a good person.


Now, surely, you are beleaguered and truly wondering if I am high right now, or just plain insane. I assure you I am not. But what I say is true. You may disagree with me all you like, but nothing can change truth. You can say the Holocaust never happened, but it will not change the facts. You can believe what you say and it still cannot change the truth.


I am not saying-and never said-that there is no such thing as an evil action, or an evil thought. Genocide is evil. Hitler committed an atrocity, an evil act. He most certainly had evil thoughts in his mind, and maybe he even believed them. The Pharaoh who ordered the Hebrew babies killed most certainly committed a criminal act-what he did was evil. This in itself, however, does not make him evil. Evil actions and evil thoughts cannot make someone evil, just as a good action, such as donating a few pennies to charity, cannot make a person a good person. Why, if it did, then everyone on earth surely would be a truly good person! Of course, that statement is ridiculous, and so too is the assumption that a murder, or a lie, or a theft, or an act of cheating can make someone evil.


You might say so, or think so, but when you really think about it, it is ludicrous. Writers, when you write, do you make your 'badguys' evil, treacherous, and cruel? Maybe deformed or bad-looking? Do you make your 'goodguys' heroic, honest, and virtuous? Maybe attractive and good-looking? Stereotypes, archetypes, biases, prejudices, all of them. And you have probably read more than one book that does exactly this. Make the protagonist utterly desirable and the antagonist utterly repulsive.


Ever heard the expression "Don't judge a person until you walk a mile in their shoes?" Well it’s true-only I amend it to say “Don’t judge a person until you’ve not only walked a mile in their shoes, but worn their clothing, done their job, and loved the people they loved.” In other words, there is no way you can accurately make a judgment-or fairly, I should say-of any person until you know what their life is like. Their background, their history, their family life, their home life, their future plans. You need to know a person before you can judge them.


Hold up, before you say “But I don’t have to know Hitler to know he’s evil!” or something to that effect, remember what I told you before. There is no such thing as a truly evil person. The only evil entity is the Devil or Satan if you will. And likewise, the only good entity is God, Allah, Elohim, Jehovah, or whatever you want to call Him. The only reason people have evil thoughts and do evil actions is because of Satan.


Now if you believed that because a man commits murder, he is an evil person, then think of all the times you tell little lies to get out of an assignment, or white lies to avoid confrontation, or to protect your friends. Think of all the times you have ever cheated on anything, or shoplifted anything. Those are bad, or evil, actions. So does doing them automatically turn you into an evil person? If you believe that murder makes the murderer an evil person, then yes. Obviously, this cannot be the case. It is not different. Murder is not more serious than lying. Both are bad, both are evil, and both are sins. Both are inherently evil actions that cannot possibly be good. But does doing make you a bad person?


Imagine Hitler, for a moment, if you will. Hitler killed over six million Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill people, and disabled people, as well as political opponents during his tenure as Die Fuhrer. Of course, these were very evil actions. Imagine for a moment, that you are Hitler and you are still alive. Do you feel sorry for what you have done? Maybe Hitler did, and maybe he did not. Most if not all of you probably believe that there is no way in heaven or hell that Hitler was remorseful, and you are probably right. Do you think it is because Hitler is an evil person? I say that maybe Hitler felt he was doing the right thing. Did you ever think of that? Maybe Hitler did not see his acts as evil. Most of us if not all of us, do. But maybe he did not.


We are intrinsically inclined towards doing evil actions. It is human nature, as it has been ever since Eve betook of that piece of fruit-which we do not actually know was an apple, contrary to popular belief. We were created to be good people, without blemish and perfect, living in harmony with our creator. But we spoiled things, as we often do. (Think of the ideal of Communism, or of having the greenhouse effect, which is turning into Global warming) We have a peculiar talent for killing each other and ruining good things. And so we are no longer good people, but we are also not evil people.


I am a person just as you are. I have made mistakes and I have my own downfalls and weaknesses. I do not claim to be wholly innocent. But I do believe in truth, and that is all that I present here. So good versus evil turns into person versus person.

Lisa Montgomery is not an evil person. What she did was wrong, but it doesn't make her evil, and it certainly does not make her family evil. Actually, her family supporting her says something really good about them and it is that they love her no matter what she’s done and that’s the kind of love we want, isn’t it? You want your parents, spouse, and/or children to love you, faults and all, right? Well her family does, and I say they’re setting an example the rest of us should follow.


And if we execute her, then we'll have done just what she did. Eye for an eye is not right. She killed, and now we're going to kill her? No, it sounds only hypocritical and self-contradicting, and we don’t want that, now do we. We have no power or place to pass judgment on someone else. As Jesus once said “Let he who is sinless cast a stone at her [the prostitute sentenced to death by stoning]!” In other words, which one of us is not guilty of something like lying, or cheating (tests, spouses, etc.), shoplifting, and even other things? Not one. You can’t honestly say “I’ve never lied” or “I’ve never done anything wrong”. So how can you say you have the right to judge someone else?!

reb
10-26-2007, 06:08 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! THANK YOU, JURORS!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

i'm glad to see someone has a shred of sense left.
there is no reason on this earth that lisa montgomery should be allowed the privilege of living another day, after what she did.

now,, just do it quick so she doesn't suck up any more precious oxygen. please don't drag it on for years,, and give her time to become a 'born again' and plead with everyone about how she's accepted jesus and turned her life around, and how much good she can do in prison, blah blah blah.... then she'll become the mascot of the ACLU and the darling of anti-death penalty wimps everywhere... who will fight to make everyone understand what a poor, persecuted victim she is... and then of course all the endless appeals and all that garbage. please,, SPARE US!! just make her go away as fast as she took her innocent victim's life. good-bye and good riddance!!!!!!!!!

luvbeaches
10-26-2007, 08:28 PM
I'm glad she was convicted. She's evil and she deserves exactly what's in store for her. Reb, like you, I am glad the jurors came to this conclusion. I no sympathy for her. It's too bad these sickos are forced to leave earth the way their victims did.

dark_shadows
10-26-2007, 09:10 PM
Montgomery had no regard at all for the lives that she had taken.
She was pure evil when she inflicted the pain and horror on Bobbi Jo, and her child.
Bobbi Jo did not know that her life would end on that day, she did not know what her child would endure after her murder.
Montgomery will have a day of death planned and she will have a peaceful death. (activists will ensure that it is painless)

No, it is not an "eye for an eye" death as a poster stated, there is never an "eye for an eye" where the peaceful death penalty is concerned. When has anyone ever been put to death in the same mannor as the crime that they committed! When was the last time that "an eye for an eye" was used in any US state...
The people that have been handed down the death penalty know the date and the manner that they are going to die. Their victims did not know when they were going to die and they suffered, unlike the ones on death row who know the manner and date of death (a peaceful mannor of death)
The death penalty does not deter crimes because their death is never ever equal to the crime they committed.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

englishleigh
10-26-2007, 09:10 PM
Thank the Lord and thank you, Jurors!!! :clap:

And yes, I'd say that cutting a baby out of someone's womb while they are half-conscious and struggling for their life, leaving them to bleed to death, plotting this for months down to the c-section instructional videos and online lessons, constitutes PURE, UNADULTERATED EVIL, so spare me the "poor pitiful Lisa" bleeding heart mumbo-jumbo, Ylanne Sorrows. :razz:

Nore
10-27-2007, 12:26 AM
Thank the Lord and thank you, Jurors!!! :clap:

And yes, I'd say that cutting a baby out of someone's womb while they are half-conscious and struggling for their life, leaving them to bleed to death, plotting this for months down to the c-section instructional videos and online lessons, constitutes PURE, UNADULTERATED EVIL, so spare me the "poor pitiful Lisa" bleeding heart mumbo-jumbo, Ylanne Sorrows. :razz:
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EnglishLeigh, AMEN!!!!!!

Just Jules
10-27-2007, 03:46 PM
Thank the Lord and thank you, Jurors!!! :clap:

And yes, I'd say that cutting a baby out of someone's womb while they are half-conscious and struggling for their life, leaving them to bleed to death, plotting this for months down to the c-section instructional videos and online lessons, constitutes PURE, UNADULTERATED EVIL, so spare me the "poor pitiful Lisa" bleeding heart mumbo-jumbo, Ylanne Sorrows. :razz:

Englishleigh... AMEN from me too! :clap:

reb
10-28-2007, 01:14 AM
sorry,, ylanne sorrows.. but you are WRONG. don't blame a little red imaginary devil for this. blame the person WHO DID IT.. and that is lisa montgomery. people make their own choices.

so spare us the BS, please!!

Squishified
10-29-2007, 01:01 PM
Thank you, jury!!!

Trident
12-08-2009, 03:55 PM
Does anyone know where Lisa Montgomery is now, what prison? Are there any updates?

TIA

slewis41
12-14-2009, 05:30 PM
The Federal Medical Center (FMC) Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas, provides specialized medical and mental health services to female offenders.

source: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&FirstName=Lisa+&Middle=&LastName=Montgomery&Race=W&Sex=F&Age=&x=67&y=14

chicoliving
04-05-2011, 03:31 PM
~snip~

Montgomery was sentenced to death in 2008. In her appeal, Montgomery's lawyers argued that she had not been properly charged and that the trial judge improperly excluded some of the defense's scientific evidence.

The Kansas City Star says Montgomery's lawyer intends to appeal Tuesday's ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/05/conviction-upheld-cutting-baby-womb/