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Doyle
08-12-2003, 09:47 PM
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20030712/FP_001.htm

Doyle
08-12-2003, 11:24 PM
bump

Doyle
08-14-2003, 08:31 PM
http://www.thechamplainchannel.com/wnne/2403931/detail.html

DustyRose
08-17-2003, 02:42 AM
Two slain children mourned in N.H. service
http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/227/metro/Two_slain_children_mourned_in_N_H_service+.shtml

alpharee
08-17-2003, 08:18 AM
I wish they would find these babies soon so their family can have some sort of closure. I can't believe the parents of today, how in H*** could you hurt your own flesh and blood??????

These children are heavy on my mind. Hopefully they will be found soon.

See Kaye
08-19-2003, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by alpharee
I wish they would find these babies soon so their family can have some sort of closure.

These children are heavy on my mind. Hopefully they will be found soon.
ditto, ditto, alpharee. I am very worried for the Mom. Pregnant with twins is difficult. Pregnant with twins and over 40 is high risk. Pregant with twins, over 40 and your ex-husband killed your children and won't tell you where the bodies are is disasterous.

See

Bailey1
08-19-2003, 04:16 AM
That mother must be going through h***. I can't even imagine her grief and rage she must be feeling. I have thought about what I would do and the first thing is hunt this man down and get in his face until he told me where our children were, then by the Grace of God I would not kill him. How could he do such a thing with all the history of them back and forth to work custody out FOR HIS benefit.

Only thing I can say is this man was out for vengence with his wife. By his own selfish, unforgiving rage he fought his ex..not for the children but to punish her. His bills got out of hand by his own choice to abuse his ex through attorneys, then lost his job. When his wife agreed to his custody...THAT wasn't good enough..why? Because this was all about punishing her. Now that the settlement was over who was he going to fight with.

Thing is, the children probably didn't want to be with him and that was nothing he could use his attorney for. This man is a selfish, evil bastard. How can he not show them where his kids are? Tragic

DustyRose
08-19-2003, 11:03 PM
"Search for kids' burial site hits home along Interstate 80"
http://www.tdn-net.com/articles/2003/08/18/news/news07.txt
"There's so many acres and acres that are undisturbed," said Bryon Meyer, 25, who installs water and sewer lines around the highway near Fremont. "There's a good chance nobody will ever find them."
Hoping that this guy is wrong, and that Sarah and Philip will soon be found. Their mom and all those that love them need so badly for them to come home.

See Kaye
08-22-2003, 06:15 AM
http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_show.html?article=25097&archive=1

Bringing the van back to NH.

Couldn't the dirt on the shovel or pickaxe be analyzed to help isolate the location?

mindys
08-28-2003, 04:21 AM
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uskids223424248aug22,0,2881376.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

Well, I'm glad they are still looking.

mushyb
08-29-2003, 12:23 AM
Search for Missing Kids

TOLEDO -- The News Channel has learned that local law enforcement is planning a very specific search for two missing New Hampshire children near two Ohio Turnpike exits. The FBI confirms a large search is scheduled for next Tuesday at eight o'clock in the morning.

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=1419841

mindys
09-03-2003, 04:12 PM
LE back at it:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/2449457/detail.html

I really hope these two sweethearts will be recovered soon. But, I know they have strong spirits, maybe they are waiting, not revealing, so their Mother can get through the birth of her twins.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030903/NEWS03/109030058

Bailey1
09-04-2003, 01:51 AM
Why don't they just nail this excuse for a human being "father" by the ear lobes and drag him across the country by foot until HE SPECIFICALLY AND DISTINCTLY SHOWS WHERE THESE KIDS ARE?>

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. He and He alone knows where these kids are...he confessed, their organs were found in his car..now FORCE HIM TO LOCATE THEM. This is where our judicial system fails "again"..giving him more rights than the victims. Why should our tax dollars as well pay for this man's attorneys why he sits and does nothing why this poor mom and her beautiful children are basically dead...she being dead inside and these kids left like garbage on the sides of a road somewhere because this &*(% thought more about himself than his own children.:mad:

mindys
09-04-2003, 12:05 PM
Two day search in Ohio ends, bodies not found:

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=1428108

Sharry
09-05-2003, 04:19 AM
Search Stops For Missing Children
September 3, 2003

Authorities Wednesday ended an extensive two-day search for the grave sites of two children believed to have been killed by their father.


http://www.onnnews.com/story.php?record=26463

mindys
09-09-2003, 12:48 AM
DA not giving up:

http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1430886&nav=7k6rHqAg

mindys
09-14-2003, 10:19 AM
Another search on Saturday, still can't find them:

http://www.thenews-messenger.com/news/stories/20030913/localnews/254643.html

I wonder if they searched the spot in PA we thought about as thoroughly as they are covering Ohio.

DustyRose
09-14-2003, 11:30 AM
I wondered the same thing, Mindys.

You had zeroed in on what sounded like a site that had real possibilities.

I so much wish this poor mother and all of their family and friends will have the closure of being able to finally bring these children home.

I know a link was posted previously about their memorial service, but this article, with a collage of photos and their friends' stories, gives a touching glimpse of these children's lives:

"Remembering Sarah and Philip "
http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/front2003/0815_gehring_service_2003.shtml

mindys
09-14-2003, 01:09 PM
Thanks DustyRose for that link, I had never seen that. I always sensed how very special they were. I want them to make it home.

Sharry
09-15-2003, 10:00 PM
State, Gehring to be in court. Midwest search continues

By David Tirrell-Wysocki, Associated Press, 9/15/2003 16:09

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) As the frustrating search for the bodies of Manuel Gehring's two children continues in the Midwest, New Hampshire prosecutors go to court Tuesday to ask a judge to allow them to continue searching Gehring's van for evidence of their suspected murders.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/258/region/State_Gehring_to_be_in_court_M:.shtml

Doyle
09-18-2003, 06:34 AM
Lawyer: N.H. dad's confession to killing kids was illegal
http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/gehr09172003.htm

See Kaye
10-09-2003, 04:31 PM
OH search nears completion...

http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_show.html?article=27405&archive=1

cmadwolf
10-10-2003, 10:31 AM
could you link the article? I can't get into this and I am at work. Not allowed to register.

Doyle
10-10-2003, 11:19 AM
Ohio search for bodies
of Gehrings ending
By KATHRYN MARCHOCKI
Union Leader Staff


As investigators in Ohio expect to conclude an exhausting exit-by-exit highway search for the bodies of two New Hampshire children this week, authorities here are exploring new methods for finding the gravesites.

A state prosecutor and supervisor in the FBI’s Toledo office on Monday said searches along Interstate 80 should be completed by the end of this week or early next week.

This would mark the end of any formal search for the bodies of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her 11-year-old brother, Philip, both of Concord, said Jim DeLong of the FBI’s Toledo office.

Their father, Manuel A. Gehring, is accused of shooting his children to death inside his van July 4 in Hillsborough County and driving to the Midwest, where he allegedly buried their bodies in shallow graves off Interstate 80, according to state prosecutors and police affidavits.

Gehring, 44, of Concord, has pleaded innocent to the murders.

Assistant New Hampshire Attorney General Jeffery A. Strelzin said investigators here continue to explore new methods to narrow the search for the children’s graves.

The entire search area — a 10-mile stretch along either side of I-80 from Grove City, Pa. to Iowa City, Iowa — spans 700 square miles.

“We’ve been looking at other techniques to use to narrow the search area and to consider the options. Whether those end up in a more formal search down the road, I can’t tell you right now,” Strelzin said. He would not elaborate on the efforts under way, saying it is part of the ongoing homicide investigation.

DeLong said the FBI and Ohio State Highway Patrol should finish searching the last two I-80 exits in Williams County, the westernmost county in the state that borders Indiana, by the end of this week or early next week.

After that, searches will be conducted as tips come in, he said.

Law enforcement officials have devoted thousands of hours to searching exits across the state, DeLong said.

“I wish we could resolve this one way or another,” he said of searchers’ frustration over not being able to locate the gravesites.

Babcat
10-11-2003, 06:42 PM
Those kids are buried by the Mercer exit of I-80 just inside PA before entering Ohio. The description he gave IS Mercer. The problem with his description is that if you turn right off the exit as he claimed... there you shortly encounter a group of roads that come together like spider legs. 62, 19, and further down 58, all come together there. And on top of that there is a side road... if it has a name at all I don't remember it but it also runs to the right.

This is Amish country. Water pumps are everywhere... and so it the odor of decomposition. The Amish bury their animals in abundance along those areas. People learn to ignore the smell. There is also English that live among the Amish but the houses are far apart and they've come to expect the burial of animals by shovel toting people and don't see a red flag.

Doyle
10-16-2003, 06:00 AM
Search for kids' bodies called off in Ohio
http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10320132&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46371&rfi=6

Bailey1
10-16-2003, 06:30 PM
Has anyone thought to drag that bag of slime "father" along his path of hell until he SHOWED them the area?

And we say our constitution is righteous. Not if in this case. He CONFESSED. Get his ass out there and MAKE HIM point them out.

mindys
10-17-2003, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Bailey1
Has anyone thought to drag that bag of slime "father" along his path of hell until he SHOWED them the area?

And we say our constitution is righteous. Not if in this case. He CONFESSED. Get his ass out there and MAKE HIM point them out.

They did, they spent a week dragging his ass around the mid-west right after he was arrested.

I think he's ********ing, in his mind he gave them a "proper" burial, telling LE right where the children are would not help his case or benefit him in any way, he is of no help here.

mindys
12-01-2003, 07:58 AM
Hunting season open's in Pennsylvania today, I hope something will be seen. These children deserve to be laid to rest where the Mom can visit them.

kylie
12-01-2003, 09:33 PM
The problem with using torture to coerce a confession is that you never know if that confession is the result of the torture or not. And yes, our founding fathers did intend for the Constitution to protect the rights of the accused. They based much of it on the philosopher Becceria, who advocated justice for the good of society, not for revenge and he was against cruel and unusual punishment.

johnny
12-01-2003, 10:20 PM
I say give him a get out of jail free card if he can show them where the bodies are and then bury him where they were.

alpharee
12-02-2003, 12:54 AM
I like your way of thinking there johnny :)

Doyle
12-10-2003, 05:09 AM
The Union Leader doesn't want the state to question a reporter who interviewed Manuel Gehring, the Concord man accused of murdering his two children. In a motion filed in Hillsborough County Superior Court in Manchester, the newspaper argued that the state had not proven that the reporter's testimony was necessary.
http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/front2003/120803gehring_2003.shtml

Teresa Knight, Sarah and Philip Gehring's mother, gave birth to twin girls the day before Thanksgiving, a Concord Hospital spokeswoman said yesterday. Mallory Rae and Molly Arlene were born Nov. 26 at 1 p.m. Knight lives in Hillsboro with her husband, Jim Knight.
http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/front2003/120308knighttwins_2003.shtml

mindys
12-10-2003, 07:08 AM
God Bless Sarah & Philip's new sister's!!

Bailey1
12-10-2003, 12:05 PM
Kylie, I believe if done slowly and in a room with good, common sense people torture CAN be used effectively.

Case in point, if one doesn't know for sure if the perp is guilty...then do a finger, toe,...S-L-O-W-L-Y. If the perp still doesn't give you results then 99.9% sense means he doesn't know. The key with missing persons is the perp WILL KNOW where the body is at a bare minium if not where he left the scene. It's not too unsensical to believe someone like Rodriquez would cough this information up at the sake of PAIN.

Now what I don't mean is rape, taking one's eyes/ears out but just good old fashioned pain. Losing a finger/toe is nothing compared to never knowing or finding a missing child. At the very least saving her/him.

Let's face it ..this guy had her blood stains in his car and was caught on video in the area. I HAVE NO GUILT WHATSOEVER IN PURSING SOME FORM OF TORTURE to get him to confess.

You have to realize we are not so concerned he "did" it as much as finding her. What is the worse can happen? He admit he doesn't know? He can't confess to her whereabouts if she isn't there....

There is a real problem with this system giving someone like this they have EVIDENCE to believe he did it an attorney? They sealed this families fate of prolonging a night mare and may have cost this gril's life because this ASS doesn't have enough sense to give info. Why? I have no idea. He is fried anyway. I think in many ways he doesn't care about prison.

One thing I have come to the conclusion on with these cowards is they can dish it out but can't take it. Give him some pain and I rest my case! He'll lead them to her let alone confess.

Bailey1
12-10-2003, 12:12 PM
Look at the Gehrig (spelling) children case. The father in the beginning confessed and even was willing to lead the cops to their bodies. It was only after he felt comfortable and was given an attorney he buttoned up.

He knew his kids were dead so rationalized let's save my ass now.

If these guys had any morals of remorse after the deed was done they w/never have done the deed in the first place.

I have no idea why Westerfreek has not confessed. You would think he w/feel remorseful. Hes done the rest of his life anyway. Evil will continue to be evil until they go to the grave .

To me these monsters know they are doomed and do the opposite of what they need to do. They just dig their hole deeper. They listen to the Devil instead of God...the more they sin the more they sin..(lie, shut up, protect there crime, deny).

Bailey1
12-10-2003, 12:36 PM
I had a brain warp in this thread. I thought I was posting to the Dru thread (sorry). Stil applies here.

These cases so frustrate me and I think I speak for alot of folk's here when I mention torture it is out of shear heartbreak for the victims and families that drives me to say such things.

Maybe a better alternative to hurting someone physically for life is a different form of pain/discipline.

How bout putting these characters in a dark room with no food or water for an extended period of time until they give information. No counsel or someone to cry too or gain encouragement from. Just time to themselves and themselves (and God if they choose) but also the devil. He can be their punishment.

These guys in many ways are pampered...told their rights, have an attorney beefing up their denial by "defending" them regardless if the attorney's believe they are innocent. The message they are sending to these deranged souls is they didn't do anything wrong or worse..."it wasn't that bad"...that is why we are here for you??????

sad but true.

I guess we all need to Trust God...

Doyle
01-06-2004, 04:55 AM
The FBI, Concord police and New Hampshire attorney general's office are preparing to resume the search for the bodies this spring. Their father, Manuel Gehring, is awaiting trial.
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=1015

WasBlind
02-05-2004, 04:57 AM
Has anyone heard any more news about Sarah & Philip?

Sleuthie_lu
02-19-2004, 09:19 AM
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) Manuel Gehring, who was accused of killing his two children last summer and burying them in the Midwest, apparently killed himself in his jail cell, Attorney General Peter Heed said Thursday

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/050/region/Attorney_General_Manuel_Gehrin:.shtml

Will we ever find these babies bodies!

Sleuthie
http://members.aol.com/twinz4mee/truth.gif

mindys
02-19-2004, 09:39 AM
OMG Sleuthie, I can't believe it. WOW! Wow! Wow! :eek:

He was never gonna tell and he what he did tell is not the truth. You know I don't believe they are in the Mid-West, I STILL believe they are in PA. The thaw is coming, perhaps then, we had and early and hard winter this year.

We need to post the info from the summer again.

mindys
02-19-2004, 09:44 AM
Search For Gehring Children To Continue In Spring
Father Awaiting Trial In Deaths
www.thewmurchannel.com (http://www.thewmurchannel.com/)
POSTED: 10:25 AM EST January 5, 2004

CONCORD, N.H. -- The search has not ended for Sarah and Philip Gehring, whose father is charged with killing them and then burying their bodies somewhere along Interstate 80 in the Midwest.

The FBI, Concord police and New Hampshire Attorney General's Office are preparing to resume the search for the bodies this spring. Their father, Manuel Gehring, is awaiting trial.

Meanwhile, the children's mother, Theresa Knight, said her first Christmas without Philip and Sarah was made somewhat easier by the presence of Molly and Mallory -- twin daughters born to Knight and her husband, James Knight on Nov. 26. She had divorced Gehring and remarried.

Theresa Knight said she is "holding up" six months after Sarah and Philip's disappearance. She has never commented publicly on the murders, nor will she through the completion of her ex-husband's trial, she said.

The three agencies spearheading Gehring's prosecution will sit down in the coming weeks to discuss new strategies to find the children, Assistant Attorney General Jeff Strelzin said.

"Obviously there's disappointment that we haven't been able to bring those children home, but nobody's given up," he said. "This could take months or even years, and that's what investigators are used to.

"In any law enforcement investigation where you have someone missing, the goal is to bring them home," he said. "Closure is something we would like to provide for the family and friends of Philip and Sarah. That's been a primary goal from the beginning, and it remains one of our goals.

He said a successful prosecution can be secured without the victims' remains.

Gehring, who was involved in a child-custody dispute with his ex-wife, was arrested in California a week after the children disappeared. They were last seen with him at a July 4 fireworks display in Concord.

According to court documents released in July, Gehring admitted he shot his children, then drove for hours with their bodies in his van before saying a prayer, making duct tape crosses on their chests and burying them in the Midwest.

After his arrest, Gehring spent a week in the Midwest with the FBI and police, presumably helping them try to find the children, before he was returned to New Hampshire.

Concord police drew thousands of Web site hits and a steady stream of callers offering tips as the search was publicized across the country. Strelzin said that stream has dried up considerably. Although people occasionally call with new information, he said, nothing has helped narrow the massive scope of the search.

Investigators spent last summer looking at sites in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois along Route 80 before calling the search off in mid-October.

mindys
02-19-2004, 09:47 AM
Authorities believe the suspected burial site is about 50 feet from the road, near exits off I-80 from PA through the west, he also made a couple rest stop visits. Around the suspected site, they believe, will be the following things:

- Five or six hollow cement cylinders, four feet in diameter and three to four feet high with rubbish inside.

- A line of wire fence, six feet high, with a rectangular or square pattern.

- A mound of white/gray rocks, about three feet in diameter, similar to rocks used in drainage applications.

- An old-fashioned, lever-operated water pump with a chrome/silver body and a green top and lever.

- An irregularly shaped cement slab, four to five feet across and three to four inches thick, flat on the ground.

- Several very large trees, similar to willow trees, but with broader, darker leaves.

- An embankment with soil that has eroded.

- A pile of firewood that is gray and weathered.

- A large yellow or tan building within view.

bluehawaii25
02-19-2004, 10:40 AM
Just heard this also on the morning news. If this guy had planned to commit suicide I just wish he had left a note detailing exactly where they could find the bodies of his kids. I don't believe his story that he didn't know exactly where he had put them. I, too, hope that when spring comes someone will find them and their mother can have a proper buriel for them. They looked like such sweet kids--so sad!

blueclouds
02-19-2004, 11:16 AM
C O W A R D


THIS A-HOLE KILLED HIMSELF. I'M FURIOUS.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040219_544.html


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/02/19/missing.children.ap/index.html

LinnieB
02-19-2004, 12:00 PM
OMG, I AM SOOOOO DISCUSTED BY THIS !! STUPID S.O.B ! :loser:

johnny
02-19-2004, 01:18 PM
One less evil person on this earth!

mindys
02-19-2004, 04:51 PM
Key dates in Gehring case:

July 4, 2003 Manuel Gehring, his 14-year-old daughter, Sarah, and 11-year-old son, Philip, attend July 4th fireworks display in Concord. He had custody of the children for the weekend.

July 6 When he fails to return the children, his ex-wife, Teresa Knight, calls police.

July 10 Gehring arrested at a Gilroy, Calif., hotel, 3,200 miles away, without the children.

July 12 Authorities say the children probably had been killed.

July 18 Gehring indicted by a Hillsborough County grand jury on two counts of first-degree murder. He was accused of shooting them in New Hampshire the night of July 4, buying a shovel in Pennsylvania and burying them somewhere along Interstate 80 in the Midwest.

July 15-22 Gehring, in FBI custody, presumably helps try to find the bodies before his return to New Hampshire on July 22. Search continues along Interstate 80 in parts of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Nebraska, Indiana and Iowa, a distance of 700 miles. Gehring describes the grave site as being in tall grass near an old-fashioned water pump, a line of wire fence, a concrete slab, discarded concrete pipes and an aged woodpile.

July 24 Search area concentrated on rural grassy areas up to 10 miles on either side of interstate from around the Indiana-Ohio state line to Joliet, Ill., a distance of around 190 miles.

July 30 Gehring admits he shot his children. He ''fashioned a cross made of duct tape across the chest of both children and buried them in shallow graves,'' an affidavit said.

Aug. 14 Memorial service held for Sarah and Philip.

Oct. 14 Authorities end search for bodies in Ohio. Set to resume in spring.

Nov. 11 Gehring tells newspaper the FBI coerced a confession from him.

Dec. 8 Trial date set for Sept. 7, 2004.

Jan. 29 Gehring's lawyers say they may attempt an insanity defense. Feb. 19 Gehring apparently kills himself in jail cell.


http://www.boston.com/dailynews/050/region/Key_dates_in_Manuel_Gehring_ca:.shtml

mindys
02-19-2004, 04:55 PM
More on what he told police:

After allegedly shooting the two on July 4, Gehring drove -- with the bodies in the car -- to a Wal-Mart in Grove City, Pennsylvania, where he said he bought a shovel, pick axe, scissors, plastic sheeting, duct tape and cutting blades, according to the affidavit. A receipt from the store also confirmed those items were purchased.

The affidavit says Gehring then drove three to four hours to "an unknown location along Interstate 80 in Ohio," exited and drove to a secluded spot about 2-3 miles away where he "dug two graves for his children."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/30/nh.missing.children/

Babcat
02-20-2004, 02:57 AM
I say... What took him so long? Hell.. the rest of us couldn't stand him still breathing our air. You'd think he would have picked up on his total uselessness to and revulsion from society. He was zero help trying to find those bodies anyway. What a TOTAL :loser:

dannyodie
02-20-2004, 06:31 AM
book antiqua stick a fork in him he is done... I guess he thought he was going to get to see his children again in heaven, where he is going he won't need a shovel, only a fork.. they say he buried these kids in the mid west, what part of the mid west do they think, desert area or what?

mindys
02-20-2004, 07:15 AM
Dannie, There is a thread in the Missing but not forgotten Forum on the Gehrings that might answer some of your questions.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5113

mindys
02-20-2004, 07:19 AM
Map of Gehrings route with key dates and locations:

http://www.concordpolice.com/police/Gehrings_Route.pdf

dannyodie
02-20-2004, 07:09 PM
I heard of this shortly after it happened. I read where the father killed himself just yesterday I believe. I looked at the map of his known route home. really tracks him pretty good.. here is my observation of his trip; leaves concord new hamphire, on the 4th of july, about 1030 at night, gets to new york at 306 am on the 5th. on the same morning he drives to emienton, pa for gas? and about 55 mins or so goes to a walmart store, maybe to the garden center to buy a shovel as police believe. it is a good possibility that he buried them somewhere in the campground in iowa on the late afternoon of july 6th, however I would also want to keep in mind that it is just as possible for him to have buried them somewhere in or just outside of grove city, shortly after buying the shovel. seems to me that his stops are more frequent between the 4th and 6th of july, at gas stations and such. but the pace appears to be more spread out after the 6th of july on his way westward with greater traveling distance than was at first, I guess the police followed a credit card trail to a point but somewhere between greenwood nebraska to evanston, wy, there is a great deal of traveling that he would have had to bought gas, no other way to go that far driving without needing a fuel stop. I'am sure he did stop somewhere in between and used cash. sure would be really risky to travel all the way from new hampshire too the campground in Iowa with 2 dead bodies in the car, so thats why I myself believe that he did something with them shortly after the wal mart store stop.. in grove city Pa. does anyone know if the father ever said he killed them?

dannyodie
02-20-2004, 09:28 PM
I overlooked that this case was still on the missing link as well, I posted a new post today in the missing but not forgotten link, please read I wish I could put it in the missing link without having to do it all over again...

mindys
02-21-2004, 11:07 AM
Danny, last summer Sleuthie Lu found a road in her map research off the exit of I-80 that Gehring took to go to that Wal Mart in Grove City, PA, where he bought the shovel, duct tape, plastic wrap, etc., on July 5th. It was a rural road and ran right behind the rest stop. As I live in the area, I went out there and found it VERY possible that he used that road to find the spot to bury them. I saw a lot of the indicators mentioned, but not "the spot". We did get calls from NH detectives, and I know from our local paper that it was looked into but I don't know that it was fully searched. Sarah and Philip were already dead for awhile, I don't know how much longer he could have gone with them in the vehicle, from the smell, etc. I really think he buried them closer to the PA/Ohio line, not so far out west.

We had a thaw the last two days here in PA, the snow and ice have melted less a few patches, but indeed we still have a few weeks of winter and snow left. What you see today is lots of mud and a bit of soil erosion. I hope the investigators can get back out there before the landscape changes again, once spring comes for good and the foilage and undergrowth comes back, much is hidden from the eye. Now is the time, I hope LE uses the month on March to really make a push to find them. That gives them a little over a week for coordination, these children deserve a proper resting place.

babylove
02-21-2004, 11:57 AM
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=2097

I don't know he made it this long. As a parent I can't even imagine how sick in the head you'd have to be to kill your own babies. I'm truly suprised he didn't commit suicide a longtime ago.

I have been following this case since last July... its so sad they still haven't found Sarah and Phillip... what an awful way to die, at the hands of your own father. :(

I pray for the recovery of their bodies so that they may have a proper burial.

Doyle
02-25-2004, 04:37 AM
As one of Manuel Gehring’s two public defenders, Barbara Keshen saw the horrible evidence investigators had compiled against her client. But she also learned to respect and appreciate him.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/02232004/news/1525.htm

WasBlind
03-17-2004, 02:44 PM
Any news on the search?

With love and hope, Lanie

mindys
03-17-2004, 02:53 PM
Just this sweetie:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/03/10/jail_ploy_preceded_suicide_by_gehring/

WasBlind
03-23-2004, 04:00 PM
For Sara and Phillip, for answers and soon, Lanie

WasBlind
04-15-2004, 03:02 PM
With love and hope, Lanie

Doyle
07-06-2004, 05:17 AM
Beneath a photo of a smiling Sarah Gehring, an English teacher evoked her energy and effervescence.

"She was a can of Coke all shook up and opened at full blast most of the day," Tim Dougherty wrote on the Concord High School yearbook page dedicated to the 14-year-old, who, along with her 11-year-old brother, Philip, was last seen with their father at last year's July Fourth fireworks show.

Sarah and Philip were killed by their father, Manuel Gehring, who then drove cross-country and later told authorities he buried them somewhere in the Midwest, not far from Interstate 80.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2004/07/02/a_year_after_gehring_children_killed_bodies_remain _missing/

WasBlind
08-13-2004, 03:14 AM
For Sara and Phillip

anniem15
06-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Mother plans daunting search for slain children
Bodies of son, daughter somewhere off I-80 in the Midwest

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8258509/

mysteriew
06-17-2005, 11:36 PM
From the link

He said the graves were in tall grass near an old-fashioned water pump and wire fence, within sight of a tan or yellow building. Weathered firewood, concrete pipes standing on end and a concrete slab were nearby, he told authorities.

The search zone is 10 miles both north and south of the nearly 700 miles of I-80 between Grove City, Pa., where Gehring bought a shovel, and Iowa City, Iowa. By that point in his journey, he said, the children already had been buried.

The FBI expects more tips from its release soon of an audiotape and transcript of Gehring describing the burial spot. Rachelfield.com, a missing-persons Web site in Illinois, has a map of Gehring’s route and public service announcements available for broadcast.

CaliKid
06-18-2005, 02:28 AM
What a tragedy. My prayers go with this mom as she tries to find her children.

Dark Knight
06-18-2005, 08:08 PM
From WLKI.com:
CONCORD, N.H. - (AP) - A mother whose two children were killed and reportedly buried somewhere in the Midwest plans to drive the route they took in hopes of finding their roadside graves and bringing them home. Terri Knight's ex-husband, Manuel Gehring, told authorities he shot the 14-year-old Sarah and eleven-year-old Philip in the family minivan soon after the fireworks ended in Concord, New Hampshire, on July fourth, 2003. Gehring was arrested six days later in California. The children have never been found. Gehring told authorities he buried them near Interstate 80 in the Midwest but he couldn't find the spot when authorities took him through Indiana, Ohio, Illinois and Pennsylvania. The search included Steuben and LaGrange Counties in Indiana and Williams County in Ohio. Gehring killed himself in jail in February 2004. Knight plans to set out on the same route on July sixth, trying renew interest in the case.

Sheromom
06-18-2005, 10:50 PM
From WLKI.com:
CONCORD, N.H. - (AP) - A mother whose two children were killed and reportedly buried somewhere in the Midwest plans to drive the route they took in hopes of finding their roadside graves and bringing them home. Terri Knight's ex-husband, Manuel Gehring, told authorities he shot the 14-year-old Sarah and eleven-year-old Philip in the family minivan soon after the fireworks ended in Concord, New Hampshire, on July fourth, 2003. Gehring was arrested six days later in California. The children have never been found. Gehring told authorities he buried them near Interstate 80 in the Midwest but he couldn't find the spot when authorities took him through Indiana, Ohio, Illinois and Pennsylvania. The search included Steuben and LaGrange Counties in Indiana and Williams County in Ohio. Gehring killed himself in jail in February 2004. Knight plans to set out on the same route on July sixth, trying renew interest in the case.
That is such a WONDERFUL thing;:clap: :clap: God will bless you for this. How my heart breaks for that poor mother.

Gabby
06-18-2005, 11:37 PM
I can not imagine what this must be like for that poor woman... I pray that she finds her babies and brings them home ---

mysteriew
06-19-2005, 12:00 AM
Terri Knight knows all too well about the cycle of life. In the summer of 2003, she lost her two children to a murderous ex-husband. Five months later, she gave birth to twins, who were lifeboats in her sea of devastation.

``It would have been so easy for me to start drinkin' and sinkin', but I didn't because I was pregnant,'' she says. ``And I have to keep getting up in the morning because they are there.''

Her missing children, Sarah and Philip, are there too.

Knight needs people in the Midwest to take notice of the case again. And she hopes baring her own emotions will help.

To that end, she is anxious for the public to see and hear public service announcements that soon will be available for television and radio stations. They are intended to tug at people's heartstrings, including segments from ``The Lemonade Stand,'' the movie Philip appeared in.

And she hopes they will help bring the children home.

``They at least deserve to be found and to have a proper burial,'' she said. Then, after a pause: ``And maybe I deserve a little bit too. I don't deserve to have to be doing this.''

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=89914&format=&page=2

ariel7
06-19-2005, 01:28 AM
Oh I have NEVER forgotten this case!!!:(
My heart goes out to her, and my prayers
are with her.

with much love,

Ariel

CaliKid
06-19-2005, 05:05 AM
My heart breaks for this woman. It's bad enough to know your children are dead; it's a hundred times worse to think of their bodies lying out there somewhere in the great unknown.

LazyCat08
06-21-2005, 09:55 PM
This is one of the saddest things I've ever heard.... was the x-husband also the father of these children, did he kill his own children? I just can't even imagine.... Is there more information available anywhere?

mysteriew
06-23-2005, 08:03 PM
The FBI posted the tape and a transcript on its Web site, hoping the shock of hearing Manuel Gehring's account might bring forward people who recognize the spot he described.

Gehring told authorities that he shot to death his 14-year-old daughter, Sarah, and 11-year-old son, Philip, and buried them by the side of the road after wrapping them in plastic, sticking duct-tape crosses on their chests and saying a prayer.

But Gehring could not remember the exact spot, and last year he strangled himself in jail while awaiting trial.

He told authorities he killed the children shortly after leaving Concord, then drove for hours, maybe days, with their bodies in the van before burying them along a 700-mile stretch of I-80 from Pennsylvania to Iowa.

On the tape, Gehring recalled walking through tall grass near an old-fashioned water pump and wire fence, within sight of a tan or yellow building. He said several concrete pipes standing on end were nearby.

"It looked like abandoned property," he said at one point. "It was like a dumping area."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/23/national/a114251D54.DTL

mysteriew
06-23-2005, 08:07 PM
Hoping to find two murdered youngsters and solve a 2-year-old mystery, the FBI released an audiotape Thursday of their father describing the spot somewhere along Interstate 80 in the Midwest where he buried the bodies.

The FBI posted the tape and a transcript on its Web site, hoping the shock of hearing Manuel Gehring's account might bring forward people who recognize the spot he described.

He told authorities he killed the children shortly after leaving Concord, then drove for hours, maybe days, with their bodies in the van before burying them along a 700-mile stretch of I-80 from Pennsylvania to Iowa.

On the tape, Gehring recalled walking through tall grass near an old-fashioned water pump and wire fence, within sight of a tan or yellow building. He said several concrete pipes standing on end were nearby.

"It looked like abandoned property," he said at one point. "It was like a dumping area."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/23/national/a114251D54.DTL

KrazyKollector
06-23-2005, 11:10 PM
Hoping to find two murdered youngsters and solve a 2-year-old mystery, the FBI released an audiotape Thursday of their father describing the spot somewhere along Interstate 80 in the Midwest where he buried the bodies.

The FBI posted the tape and a transcript on its Web site, hoping the shock of hearing Manuel Gehring's account might bring forward people who recognize the spot he described.

He told authorities he killed the children shortly after leaving Concord, then drove for hours, maybe days, with their bodies in the van before burying them along a 700-mile stretch of I-80 from Pennsylvania to Iowa.

On the tape, Gehring recalled walking through tall grass near an old-fashioned water pump and wire fence, within sight of a tan or yellow building. He said several concrete pipes standing on end were nearby.

"It looked like abandoned property," he said at one point. "It was like a dumping area."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/23/national/a114251D54.DTLI saw that tonight on the new mystery. I am hoping it will jog a memory for someone. I always thought it was going to end up being close to where they were going to be fixing up a santitary or storm sewer line.
He really went out of his way to be vague.
You would think an old fashioned water pump would jog someone's mind. I wonder if it was an old rest stop that got covered over? They used to have water pumps.

Bobbisangel
06-23-2005, 11:43 PM
If he murdered his kids to get back at his wife they will probably never be found. He probably knew exactly where he left them. The ultament revenge would be for the wife to never find the kids. Was it for revenge?

mysteriew
06-24-2005, 06:55 PM
Manuel Gehring was calm as he tried to direct investigators to the unmarked grave in the Midwest where he'd buried his two children after shooting them in the family's minivan. The New Hampshire man sounded more like a tourist trying to recall the details of a scenic trip.

There were shady trees hanging to the ground, almost like willows; and long grass topped with what looked like African violets that was ''kind of pretty and catches your eye," Gehring said during an interview taped nearly two years ago that was posted yesterday on the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.

''It looked like abandoned property," said Gehring, offering vague details of a spot several miles off Interstate 80, somewhere between Pennsylvania and Iowa, where he buried 14-year-old Sarah and 11-year-old Philip in July 2003. ''It was like a dumping area."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/06/24/fbi_renews_bid_to_find_remains_of_children/

He buried the kids in July. So any searches taking place at now would show the site as almost the same now as it was then.

mysteriew
06-26-2005, 05:06 PM
''The perfect outcome -- that I find the location, and it's all resolved -- I get it; that's not likely," she said in an interview Friday. ''But if I can reach people out there and generate interest, I'll know when I drive home that someone else is thinking about it, that someone will keep looking."

She will fly to Detroit on July 6 with her husband, James, where they plan to rent a car and drive from Toledo to Iowa City, then back toward Joliet, Ill., where authorities have recently focused inquiries because of details in Gehring's confession. Knight said she also wants to stop along the route to connect with ''real people" who know the area well.

The rush of that distant stretch of I-80 is never far from her thoughts. During an interview, as a baby monitor broadcast the sound of the twins babbling in their cribs, Knight fielded calls from an FBI agent on her cellphone while calling up her website, www.philipandsarah.com, on her laptop, checking for new tips about possible grave sites.

She confessed she was rattled by one recent e-mail, from a farmer's wife in Ohio, who described seeing a van with New Hampshire plates on her property two summers ago, its rear door open and a shovel in the back.

The FBI later told her the farm had already been checked out.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/06/26/a_sorrow_their_mother_cannot_bury/

mysteriew
06-26-2005, 05:11 PM
The search for two murdered New Hampshire children has drawn all types of tips and offers of help. Among the volunteers is a dedicated stranger who has poured over the case and has his own theory on where to find Philip and Sarah Gehring.

Nikodem himself filed a right-to-know request with the state last year for the entire 2,200-page investigative file. He spent a week reading it.

He focused on a state game preserve in Polk, Pa., about 10 miles from a Wal-Mart in Grove City where Gehring stopped to buy a pick ax and shovel during a cross-country trip that ended with his arrest in Gilroy, Calif.

Nikodem said he's never met nor spoken to the children's mother, Terri Knight, but he said if he could find a specific site, then others can, too.

Nikodem phoned the owner of a nearby convenience store who confirmed the presence of several landmarks Gehring said were at the grave site. Nikodem also flew to the scene and said he was amazed to see all the landmarks.

"I'm doing it with no resources from Concord," he said. "I kept thinking, if we could get a couple of thousand people to do it."

http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/special/6_25special2.htm

Hammerized
07-05-2005, 01:34 AM
Thinking of these kids, especially tonight. Hoping they will soon be found and properly laid to rest.

Leaving the local NH fireworks display with my own two children tonight, I thought of the Gehring children leaving their fireworks display with their dad. Back on July 4th, 2003.

A small argument (maybe?), some tears... and shortly afterward their father killed and dumped them who-knows-where off some highway, somewhere... :(

Hammerized
07-05-2005, 03:02 PM
http://www.philipandsarah.com/

Hammerized
07-05-2005, 03:40 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NH_MISSING_CHILDREN_NHOL-?SITE=NHCON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Fourth of July is a time for celebration, but for one New Hampshire mother it marks the anniversary of the disappearance of her murdered children.

Terri Knight plans to leave for the Midwest on Wednesday to renew the search for her children's burial site somewhere along Interstate 80.

Manuel Gehring never gave a clear description of where he buried their children, Philip, 11, and Sarah, 14, before committing suicide in February 2004.

Last month the FBI posted tapes of interviews with Gehring on its Web site in hopes of re-igniting interest in the search.

[...]

It was July 4, 2003. Knight's ex-husband, Manuel Gehring, and their kids were at a fireworks display in Concord. Bystanders said they argued and left in a huff, the kids in tears.

Six days later, Gehring was arrested in California, without them.

Within hours, he was telling authorities he shot them in his minivan soon after leaving Concord and buried them off Interstate 80 in the Midwest, somewhere in a nearly 14,000-square-mile area of often interchangeable landscape.

Police drove Gehring along the route, but he couldn't find the spot. Police gave the public a description of the area, prompting tips from around the country, but still came up empty.

Gehring killed himself awaiting trial, ending any hope that he could help further.
Much more at link, please read.

mysteriew
07-07-2005, 10:19 AM
A New Hampshire woman headed to the Midwest on Wednesday, hoping to help find her murdered children.

Terri Knight's goal is to refocus public attention on her former husband's description of the place along Interstate 80 where says he dug a grave, made duct tape crosses on the children's chests and buried them two years ago.

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/07/06/updates/top_stories/5d2617c526c93c8b86257036005ff9d8.txt

mysteriew
07-08-2005, 11:22 PM
Thursday was the second day of Knight's six-day search along the route. She didn't make a miraculous discovery of the graves of Sarah, 14, and Philip, 11, but she didn't expect to.

"I can't put all my success and failure in finding them on my trip," she said, "but I can put all my success and failure in someone else finding them."

But on this journey, they're running themselves ragged zipping from one potential burial site to another, making themselves available to any and all reporters and volunteers who want to talk to them.

They hope to generate enough interest for people to search on their own, or at least look at the Web site dedicated to the search, Philipandsarah.com, and see if any details jog a memory.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0507080335jul08,1,2899417.story?coll=chi-newslocal-hed

mysteriew
07-10-2005, 10:10 AM
Forth-three-year-old Teri Knight brought her search for her children's graves to the Midwest this week, including Iowa, where she stopped at Coralville Lake before turning back east.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/1677372.html

lostfaith
07-10-2005, 07:21 PM
I know this was such a shot in the dark for this family, but I had just hoped she would get a miracle! Like I said before, this makes you wish you could just get out and help her!

mysteriew
07-11-2005, 12:03 AM
I keep posting about her trip, because it just seems so amazing to me. The whole way she is probably asking herself "did Phillip and Sarah see this? Did they make it this far? What were they thinking when they drove by here, Is this where we will find them, Did they remember that I love them and know I would look for them?" I feel so sorry for this Mother.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/10/AR2005071000496_2.html

Some investigators say pollen found in his van indicates the murders occurred in Ohio or east of there. But Gehring's confession, according to Knight, suggests he killed the kids 1 1/2 to 2 hours east of Iowa City.

Knight, 43, a nurse and mother of 19-month-old twins, says the impact of her immeasurable loss changes as time passes.

"You start to miss different things," she says wistfully. Her daughter, Sarah, a cheerleader, would be entering her senior year. Her son, Philip, who liked acting, would be starting high school.

mysteriew
07-11-2005, 12:07 AM
It is merciful that Teresa Knight rarely has dreams, as they tend to dredge up images that are too painful to bear.

Like the time she envisioned her daughter Sarah shrieking uncontrollably. "In the dream, I was saying to her, 'Do you know what happened?' " Knight recalled. " 'Do you know what Daddy did to you?' "

Knight hopes local police departments will arrange and publicize searches to coincide with hers to rekindle interest and jog the memories of people who might have seen something.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3258906

lostfaith
07-11-2005, 01:49 AM
[QUOTE=mysteriew]I keep posting about her trip, because it just seems so amazing to me. The whole way she is probably asking herself "did Phillip and Sarah see this? Did they make it this far? What were they thinking when they drove by here, Is this where we will find them, Did they remember that I love them and know I would look for them?" I feel so sorry for this Mother.

Well, I really appreciate you keeping up on these articles for us! I also find this just heartbreaking! I was thinking tonight she must have planned this in July so that scenery and nature would be similar as to when this all took place. From the first article you posted it seems he killed them early on, and then buckled them in and drove. Where they buckled in thier seats when he stopped at a walmart to buy supplies? Amazing no one saw 2 dead children buckled into the seats of a van, unless he had tinted windows? Why in the heck did they not take the father out to show them where he had buried them? The children died in July and him in Feb. There was time, it is not like he killed himself right away! You would think that would have been LE's first priority, to find those children, at least for the mothers sake, and even to help thier case. I just hope he told truthful details, and that poor mother is not just on some wild goose chase! Once again, if I was kid free, work free, and was able to just be able to go off and help search, I would. I love a mystery, and I can think of no other mystery that would be as worthwhile solving as this one. If I was her, it would probably be my yearly vacation, searching over and over again every year.

Hammerized
07-12-2005, 01:30 AM
I just hope he told truthful details, and that poor mother is not just on some wild goose chase! Once again, if I was kid free, work free, and was able to just be able to go off and help search, I would. I love a mystery, and I can think of no other mystery that would be as worthwhile solving as this one. If I was her, it would probably be my yearly vacation, searching over and over again every year.
I tend to think he did tell truthful details, but he may have mixed up things he saw from another stop along the way, you know?

Anyhow, you can listen to Manuel Gehring describe it himself here:

Description of the Suspected Burial Site off US Interstate 80

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/gehring_burialsite.htm

And here is the transcript:
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/gehrings_transcript.htm

Hammerized
07-12-2005, 01:56 AM
Authorities are still searching for a missing gray velour bench seat from Manual Gehring's 1998 Pontiac Transport.

The search for the missing bench seat has been focused on Interstate 80 throughout the state of Nebraska. Though no portion of this highway can necessarily be ruled out, efforts are now being concentrated in Nebraska.

The seat is purported to have been wrapped in black plastic trash bags and dumped into a trash dumpster behind a strip mall/shopping center along I-80. This would have occurred somewhere on July 6, 7, or 8th. Photos at site:
http://www.concordregionalcrimeline.com/crimeline_alert4.htm

lostfaith
07-12-2005, 02:03 AM
I tend to think he did tell truthful details, but he may have mixed up things he saw from another stop along the way, you know?

Anyhow, you can listen to Manuel Gehring describe it himself here:

Description of the Suspected Burial Site off US Interstate 80

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/gehring_burialsite.htm

And here is the transcript:
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/gehrings_transcript.htm

Thank you for the link. The picture they show on the FBI site of his van, shows that the windows were not tinted, you can clearly see the car parked on the other side.

lostfaith
07-12-2005, 02:09 AM
Photos at site:
http://www.concordregionalcrimeline.com/crimeline_alert4.htm


well, if he dumped it in a dumpster behind a strip mall, I am sure it is not there no more. Are they searching the places where the dumpsters would be emptied at I wonder?

lostfaith
07-12-2005, 02:49 AM
http://www.southbendtribune.com/breakingnews/posts/3712.html

She is back home now. She had no luck! But at least her trip generated over 200 more tips, maybe something will come of it. I sure hope so!

mysteriew
07-12-2005, 04:24 AM
Teri Knight is back home, encouraged that a five-day trip through the Midwest has renewed the search for her two murdered children, but discouraged knowing she drove somewhere near their graves and couldn't find them.

"By the time we are done (sorting the information), we will have narrowed it down some," she said Monday. "Will I be right? We will never know until we find them."

"We have been overwhelmed with tips," said Concord Police investigator Timothy O'Malley. "We are trying to organize them."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/07/11/mother_returns_home_convinced_the_search_for_her_k ids_will_go_on/

Usher737
07-12-2005, 02:01 PM
Oh my heart aches for this woman. How awful! I cant understand how a parent could do something like that.

He said it was 2:30 in the afternoon and sunny. With the map timeline what area would that put him in after buying supplies at the Wal Mart ?

The stuff he descibes sounds more mid West to me. I dont think he buried them in Pa or Ohio. I am leaning to Indiana. I think he buried them before he got to the campsite. I cant believe he would keep stopping places with bodies in the back of the van.

Usher737
07-12-2005, 02:19 PM
Looking at the FBI's map, I think it is possible he buried them in Ill. after stopping at the gas station then drove to the campgrounds. From 11:37am to 4:36pm is this enough time to complete the burial and drive this distance ? This is the biggest question.

Another possibility, is from Grove City to Joielet Ill. This is a big stretch with no stops. Wonder what time the Wal Mart receipt shows check out. Drive until 2:30 and there is a possible location. He buries them and continues to drive until the gas station.


I think the first scenario is more plausible. He was trying to work up the nerve to finish his deed. Realizing he had to say good bye and maybe he got nervous at the gas station that someone would notice, it had to be done soon. He was probably tired afterward hence stopping at the campground to rest for the evening.

irishlass
07-13-2005, 02:07 AM
[QUOTE=mysteriew] Why in the heck did they not take the father out to show them where he had buried them? The children died in July and him in Feb. There was time, it is not like he killed himself right away! You would think that would have been LE's first priority, to find those children, at least for the mothers sake, and even to help thier case.
http://philipandsarah.com/evidence.htm

Actually they did do this, I think over 3 days, but the father couldn't find the site. Apparently he had stopped at a lot of different areas and than decided for some reason not to bury them at those sites. If you go to the above link and click on

"Concord Police Department Report of Manuel’s efforts to locate the children’s grave following his apprehension (http://www.websitenh.com/gehring/pdfs/report.pdf)"

It tells all about while they were with the father trying to find the grave site. Lots of interesting reading at this site too.

Barbie101
07-13-2005, 02:32 AM
I don't know how to post this without sounding like a nutt... so I'm just going to post it..
If the Dad said the place where the kids are buried is isolated he is lying. I see many and I mean many people walk thru this area all the time. Could of he buried them in a state park one that is popular for hiking?How truthful did the LE feel the father was being?

lostfaith
07-13-2005, 04:39 AM
http://philipandsarah.com/evidence.htm

Actually they did do this, I think over 3 days, but the father couldn't find the site. Apparently he had stopped at a lot of different areas and than decided for some reason not to bury them at those sites. If you go to the above link and click on

"Concord Police Department Report of Manuel’s efforts to locate the children’s grave following his apprehension (http://www.websitenh.com/gehring/pdfs/report.pdf)"

It tells all about while they were with the father trying to find the grave site. Lots of interesting reading at this site too.

Thank you for that link, Irish. It was very interesting, took me a long time to read through it, lol. Hard to gather from it just how helpful he was in trying to show them possible sites, sounds kinda like he was just along for the ride, sorta prolonging facing the music. They do not go into detail about specific spots they searched, did not note which spots they searced, did not even identify them by exit numbers or anything. Possibly this is in another report maybe. Seems like they were more concerned with offering him food and drink. I am sure that the police did and continue to try their best to locate the children, just cant tell from this report. It did answer my question about how no one saw the bodies in the van, he covered them with a blanket. It is not noted if they recovered the guns, I wonder if they did. I would love to read other reports like this, specifically, the search of the lake area where he cleaned the van and tossed the shell casings.

Thank you again, I appreciated that link!

Usher737
07-13-2005, 11:48 AM
After reaing the FBI documents, I am convinced the children were buried between Grove City and Joliet.

Gehring said he did not want somewhere "too flat". Ohio is mostly flat so I think he buried them after entering Indiana. Plus he said he stopped in 15 places before selecting one, which possibly rules out Ohio. The water system he descibed makes me think of farm land or some type of irragation.

He was very tired, stopped for a drink, and then slept.
The map stated that from Grove City to Joliet is 6 1/2 hours but it took him 26 hours. I feel this gives him plenty of time to complete the task and sleep. He said it was around 2:30 but perhaps he did not consider the time change or was off. I think he could have made it to Indiana from GC by late afternoon.

Does anyone else have any theories? I am trying to narrow down the possible location.

irishlass
07-13-2005, 04:00 PM
lostfaith, I agree totally with your assessment of that report, I thought a lot of the same things when I was reading it. I thought they offered him food and drink A LOT but I think they were trying to show that they weren't coercing him in any way. They seemed to go out of their way to show that they weren't violating this guys *rights* since they knew the report would wind up being used in court. (They, of course, had no idea the guy was going to kill himself before the case even made it to court.) So I think they went out of their way to show that they were treating this guy with respect so that nothing they did could be used to get this guy off on a technicality.

Many times while reading it I thought things like: "How can this guy NOT remember where he buried the kids??" I was trying to imagine driving along with my kids dead covered with a blanket behind me - I don't think there's anyway I wouldn't notice what exit I was getting off on. I think the bottom line is that this guy really didn't care about his kids very much to begin with. How spooky is it to have killed your children and still be able to drive along, stop and get gas, something to drink, check out the scenery - all while they are dead in the seat behind you??????????????

To me it seems like he had absolutely no remorse, no feeling whatsoever about it. He got up, shot them, said a little prayer, threw a blanket over them and kept on driving!!! As if nothing had happened. I don't think he really remembered where he buried them exactly because he just didn't care. It wasn't important to him. As far as he was concerned it was like: he killed them, he buried them, end of story. It doesn't seem like there was ever a point in his travels or even afterwards when he was captured, where he thought about his wife, the children's mother. He never seemed to think about how their deaths would affect anyone else, not even himself. He never seems to have thought things like "I'll never see her smile again. I'll never see my son graduate." Normal things that someone with remorse might feel. It was a non-event to him.

I feel so bad for their mother and I wish someone would find their bodies so that she could at least have that closure. This poor woman has been through so much, I can't imagine her grief.

mysteriew
07-13-2005, 06:47 PM
The impression that I get is this guy was in some kind of psychotic state. He only knew where he was by the signs he passed on the highway. And you do get into that weird state if you have been driving for a long time, where everything looks alike and just sort of blurs together.
The investigators knew when they were searching for the burial sites that if he got angry he would clam up. They wanted him to give up the info re: the burial sites, so they treated him well, trying to ensure his cooperation.

irishlass
07-14-2005, 02:45 AM
I know what you mean, mysteriew, I drive from PA to NH to visit my sister sometimes and I definitely get into that state of mind while driving. Of course, I might feel a little differently if I had my dead kids sitting behind me while I'm driving. ;)

Concerned Mother
08-06-2005, 11:24 PM
In the papers he stated he killed them in NH at a truck stop Where is this new info coming from

mysteriew
08-07-2005, 12:23 AM
In the papers he stated he killed them in NH at a truck stop Where is this new info coming from

Welcome to WS!
No one knows exactly where the kids were buried, and only have Gherings word for where the killings occurred. Since he was unable to find where he buried the kids, where he states he killed them would be questionable.
FBI has released the tape of his interragations in the hopes that someone would recognize his description of the area he buried them.
All of the articles have links so you should be able to find the source of anything new to you.

fran
08-07-2005, 06:48 PM
http://philipandsarah.com/evidence.htm

Actually they did do this, I think over 3 days, but the father couldn't find the site. Apparently he had stopped at a lot of different areas and than decided for some reason not to bury them at those sites. If you go to the above link and click on

"Concord Police Department Report of Manuel’s efforts to locate the children’s grave following his apprehension (http://www.websitenh.com/gehring/pdfs/report.pdf)"

It tells all about while they were with the father trying to find the grave site. Lots of interesting reading at this site too.



I can't believe how obsessed I became with this case today. :doh: I recall when this happened. Such a sad, sad, case. The mother must be heartbroken.

It would seem that this guy had a major control problem! It's all about control! It seems that was what he was doing with LE those few days also, controlling them with games. I wouldn't doubt if he never had intentions of taking them to the children's grave, but just wanted to stay out of jail because he was scared of what would happen to him once he got there.

Have you all read the 38 page summary from when LE was taking Manuel around trying to find the burial site? Have you read every page?

Whether you read this or not, in the last few pages were two witnesses who reported seeing the van on 7/05 in Ohio. It definitely sounds like it was him. The van matched with a NH license plate and it was caked with mud. It's the right time period from Grove City, PA,to have buried the bodies and be back on his way. What definitely gave me goose-bumps about this reported sighting was the name of the town. Maumee, Ohio!! (is that symbolic or what?!) (ie mommy)

Too bad I can't take a trip to Ohio. I would definitely narrow my search, for the time being anyway, to that area within the proximity of where these two witnesses saw him getting back onto I80 west.

It's all about the games. Mind games! I hope he rots in %$!! for eternity!

JMHO
fran

lostfaith
08-08-2005, 02:45 AM
I can't believe how obsessed I became with this case today. :doh: I recall when this happened. Such a sad, sad, case. The mother must be heartbroken.

It would seem that this guy had a major control problem! It's all about control! It seems that was what he was doing with LE those few days also, controlling them with games. I wouldn't doubt if he never had intentions of taking them to the children's grave, but just wanted to stay out of jail because he was scared of what would happen to him once he got there.

Have you all read the 38 page summary from when LE was taking Manuel around trying to find the burial site? Have you read every page?

Whether you read this or not, in the last few pages were two witnesses who reported seeing the van on 7/05 in Ohio. It definitely sounds like it was him. The van matched with a NH license plate and it was caked with mud. It's the right time period from Grove City, PA,to have buried the bodies and be back on his way. What definitely gave me goose-bumps about this reported sighting was the name of the town. Maumee, Ohio!! (is that symbolic or what?!) (ie mommy)

Too bad I can't take a trip to Ohio. I would definitely narrow my search, for the time being anyway, to that area within the proximity of where these two witnesses saw him getting back onto I80 west.

It's all about the games. Mind games! I hope he rots in %$!! for eternity!

JMHO
fran


Oh, I got so excited when I saw that this thread had been recently added to. I was so hoping that there was a new lead. :( I know how you feel about this one Fran, I feel the same. I read the whole report, like I said in a earlier post, from reading that report it sure seemed like the cops were more interested in making sure he was not hungry or thirsty more than finding the kids! Too bad we both cant take time away to search, bet we would make a good team :) We both have a soft spot for this case.

fran
08-08-2005, 07:17 PM
Oh, I got so excited when I saw that this thread had been recently added to. I was so hoping that there was a new lead. :( I know how you feel about this one Fran, I feel the same. I read the whole report, like I said in a earlier post, from reading that report it sure seemed like the cops were more interested in making sure he was not hungry or thirsty more than finding the kids! Too bad we both cant take time away to search, bet we would make a good team :) We both have a soft spot for this case.


lostfaith:
I honestly feel they're in the vicinity of that sighting. The timing is right and the name of the town is spooky. I wouldn't go by his description of the area though. It seems his only goal was to control all he came in contact with. He had no intention of giving away the site where he buried those kids.

His ex had just remarried and he didn't want her to be happy (without him)and he certainly didn't want another man raising his kids. From the friend of the daughters, it seems the dad was abusive to the kids when no one else was around. I think he knew that he was going to loose ground as the father figure in these kid's life. This was his final act of vengence against his wife, IMO. Oh, and what his dad told the mom, 'he said he's sorry,' I don't believe a word of it.

Maumee, Ohio, I'm certain of it, IMO.

JMHO
fran

mysteriew
08-22-2005, 03:35 PM
A New Hampshire woman is still sifting through hundreds of tips -- a month and a half after her trip to the Midwest to search for information about her murdered children.

Knight says she'd like to personally investigate areas near Toledo and Cleveland, Ohio. But for now, she's relying on private investigators to follow up on tips from last month's trip.
http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3750807

lostfaith
08-22-2005, 10:28 PM
A New Hampshire woman is still sifting through hundreds of tips -- a month and a half after her trip to the Midwest to search for information about her murdered children.

Knight says she'd like to personally investigate areas near Toledo and Cleveland, Ohio. But for now, she's relying on private investigators to follow up on tips from last month's trip.
http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3750807


Thanx for the update, Mysteriew. I dont blame her for wanting to go search it herself, I would feel the same.

Bobbisangel
08-28-2005, 05:48 AM
If LE found vegatation on the van and that vegatation is only found in certain regions then that is where I would be looking. It may be from one of the stops that he made but I would search that area for sure.

If anything I think that creep would make up an area that he buried the kids in.
He doesn't want them found because even if he is dead...as long as the kids aren't found he will have power over his ex-wife. He knew that she was just going crazy trying to find the kids. If he had been any kind of a man at all he would have told someone right where the kids were instead of taking the info to his grave with him. You can bet he is in hell wishing he had never murdered his children. Wishing he could turn back time but he can't and he will just burn forever and ever. That is exactly what he deserves too.

SuePap
09-28-2005, 03:11 AM
I have taken pics of a site that match the description that Manuel gave of the Burial site. I sent them to info@concordregionalcrimeline.com about 2 weeks ago from the date of Sept 28th, 2005. I gave my name and where I lived. I'm just wondering how long it would take them to respond or do I need to get in contact with local authorities? I have been totally taken over by this story because I live right next to I-80, the last exit before OHIO.
I have e-mailed Teri Knight with pics also.
I have been in that area just looking around since the story appeared in the Sharon Herald this past July 24th, 2005. That was not my first site that I looked but my third. When I came up on it, I have'nt been able to think of anything else.
I"ll send the pics of the area if anyone wants to give me their opinion.
He refered to tall grass with seeds on top, 6 ft.fence with barbed wire on top, in a square or rectangle shape. Inside that fence is a water pump house, behind it is the tall grass with the seeds on top, and behind the tall grass is the area in question, which is an excavating business that deals with cement pipes, gravel and cement slabs all over the area. It's not a busy place at all. I never saw anyone going in or out in my many times I was searching. There is a tan or brown building in site of where manuel said he buried them. Across the street is a big swamp, past the swamp in view is I-80. They found pollen in Manuels van that could only have come from a near by wetlands area.
I'll send pics of the area that I have taken and send me your opinion and any questions you have. vanmama1@aol.com
Thanks,
Suepap

SewingDeb
09-28-2005, 08:48 AM
I have taken pics of a site that match the description that Manuel gave of the Burial site. I sent them to info@concordregionalcrimeline.com about 2 weeks ago from the date of Sept 28th, 2005. I gave my name and where I lived. I'm just wondering how long it would take them to respond or do I need to get in contact with local authorities? I have been totally taken over by this story because I live right next to I-80, the last exit before OHIO.
I have e-mailed Teri Knight with pics also.
I have been in that area just looking around since the story appeared in the Sharon Herald this past July 24th, 2005. That was not my first site that I looked but my third. When I came up on it, I have'nt been able to think of anything else.
I"ll send the pics of the area if anyone wants to give me their opinion.
He refered to tall grass with seeds on top, 6 ft.fence with barbed wire on top, in a square or rectangle shape. Inside that fence is a water pump house, behind it is the tall grass with the seeds on top, and behind the tall grass is the area in question, which is an excavating business that deals with cement pipes, gravel and cement slabs all over the area. It's not a busy place at all. I never saw anyone going in or out in my many times I was searching. There is a tan or brown building in site of where manuel said he buried them. Across the street is a big swamp, past the swamp in view is I-80. They found pollen in Manuels van that could only have come from a near by wetlands area.
I'll send pics of the area that I have taken and send me your opinion and any questions you have. vanmama1@aol.com
Thanks,
Suepap

I would give them to local authorities and to the police where the mother lives.

SuePap
09-29-2005, 12:17 AM
Thinking of these kids, especially tonight. Hoping they will soon be found and properly laid to rest.

Leaving the local NH fireworks display with my own two children tonight, I thought of the Gehring children leaving their fireworks display with their dad. Back on July 4th, 2003.

A small argument (maybe?), some tears... and shortly afterward their father killed and dumped them who-knows-where off some highway, somewhere... :(
I have taken pics of a site that match the description that Manuel gave of the Burial site. I sent them to info@concordregionalcrimeline.com about 2 weeks ago from the date of Sept 28th, 2005. I gave my name and where I lived. I'm just wondering how long it would take them to respond or do I need to get in contact with local authorities? I have been totally taken over by this story because I live right next to I-80, the last exit before OHIO.
I have e-mailed Teri Knight with pics also.
I have been in that area just looking around since the story appeared in the Sharon Herald this past July 24th, 2005. That was not my first site that I looked but my third. When I came up on it, I have'nt been able to think of anything else.
He refered to tall grass with seeds on top, 6 ft.fence with barbed wire on top, in a square or rectangle shape. Inside that fence is a water pump house, behind it is the tall grass with the seeds on top, and behind the tall grass is the area in question, which is an excavating business that deals with cement pipes, gravel and cement slabs all over the area. It's not a busy place at all. I never saw anyone going in or out in my many times I was searching. There is a tan or brown building in site of where manuel said he buried them. Across the street is a big swamp, past the swamp in view is I-80. They found pollen in Manuels van that could only have come from a near by wetlands area. I'm trying my best to find someone that knows how to deal with these situations, like a cadaver dog or a forensic knowledgeable person that knows what to look for.
Thanks,
Suepap

SuePap
09-29-2005, 12:19 AM
I have taken pics of a site that match the description that Manuel gave of the Burial site. I sent them to info@concordregionalcrimeline.com about 2 weeks ago from the date of Sept 28th, 2005. I gave my name and where I lived. I'm just wondering how long it would take them to respond or do I need to get in contact with local authorities? I have been totally taken over by this story because I live right next to I-80, the last exit before OHIO.
I have e-mailed Teri Knight with pics also.
I have been in that area just looking around since the story appeared in the Sharon Herald this past July 24th, 2005. That was not my first site that I looked but my third. When I came up on it, I have'nt been able to think of anything else.
He refered to tall grass with seeds on top, 6 ft.fence with barbed wire on top, in a square or rectangle shape. Inside that fence is a water pump house, behind it is the tall grass with the seeds on top, and behind the tall grass is the area in question, which is an excavating business that deals with cement pipes, gravel and cement slabs all over the area. It's not a busy place at all. I never saw anyone going in or out in my many times I was searching. There is a tan or brown building in site of where manuel said he buried them. Across the street is a big swamp, past the swamp in view is I-80. They found pollen in Manuels van that could only have come from a near by wetlands area. I'm trying my best to find someone that knows how to deal with these situations, like a cadaver dog or a forensic knowledgeable person that knows what to look for.
Thanks,
Suepap

SuePap
09-29-2005, 12:23 AM
I have taken pics of a site that match the description that Manuel gave of the Burial site. I sent them to info@concordregionalcrimeline.com about 2 weeks ago from the date of Sept 28th, 2005. I gave my name and where I lived. I'm just wondering how long it would take them to respond or do I need to get in contact with local authorities? I have been totally taken over by this story because I live right next to I-80, the last exit before OHIO.
I have e-mailed Teri Knight with pics also.
I have been in that area just looking around since the story appeared in the Sharon Herald this past July 24th, 2005. That was not my first site that I looked but my third. When I came up on it, I have'nt been able to think of anything else.
He refered to tall grass with seeds on top, 6 ft.fence with barbed wire on top, in a square or rectangle shape. Inside that fence is a water pump house, behind it is the tall grass with the seeds on top, and behind the tall grass is the area in question, which is an excavating business that deals with cement pipes, gravel and cement slabs all over the area. It's not a busy place at all. I never saw anyone going in or out in my many times I was searching. There is a tan or brown building in site of where manuel said he buried them. Across the street is a big swamp, past the swamp in view is I-80. They found pollen in Manuels van that could only have come from a near by wetlands area. I'm trying my best to find someone that knows how to deal with these situations, like a cadaver dog or a forensic knowledgeable person that knows what to look for.
Thanks,
Suepap

SuePap
09-29-2005, 12:28 AM
I don't think anyone could come close to imagine what it feels like to have both your kids murdered............that is far from imagineable and unrealistic in the world.

mysteriew
09-29-2005, 01:13 AM
Suepap, PM sent to you.

mysteriew
09-29-2005, 01:16 AM
SuePap, PM sent to you.

Bobbisangel
09-29-2005, 01:18 AM
I would go to LE in your area and explain what you just told us. Offer to go with them to show them where you are talking about. If they are smart they will take cadaver dogs out there and check that area out. They can't lose anything by doing that and they may just find evidence to put a mother's heart at peace.

lostfaith
09-29-2005, 02:04 AM
SuePap, PM sent to you.



Goosh, keep us posted on this. I would love to see the pictures and I am so glad someone is looking. Wish I lived near enought to try.

lostfaith
09-29-2005, 02:13 AM
Ya know, I was just thinking. I read on another post the other day about a man discovering a ancient city or something like that, he was just using some kind of satelite map thingy on the internet. It was just wondering if those maps are that good, could they use it in this case? Maybe it would not pick up the children buried in the ground, but could it possibly pick up the landmarks we are looking for? Just a thought.

mysteriew
09-29-2005, 03:21 AM
I would go to LE in your area and explain what you just told us. Offer to go with them to show them where you are talking about. If they are smart they will take cadaver dogs out there and check that area out. They can't lose anything by doing that and they may just find evidence to put a mother's heart at peace.
Good thought, I hadn't even thought of that. If the bodies are there, that puts the evidence in the jurisdiction of your local cops. So they should be contacted also.

dannyodie
09-29-2005, 06:32 AM
Ya know, I was just thinking. I read on another post the other day about a man discovering a ancient city or something like that, he was just using some kind of satelite map thingy on the internet. It was just wondering if those maps are that good, could they use it in this case? Maybe it would not pick up the children buried in the ground, but could it possibly pick up the landmarks we are looking for? Just a thought.
those programs are pretty good, and I have one that was developed by nasa, I would be glad to give it a try, but I don't know much about the case as far as the landmarks and so on, I have read and listened to some of the case details. if there is anyone that could find out the gps waypoints send them by private message or post them here on websleuths. with the waypoints of the land marks it will make it quick for me to locate the area that is in question?

Richard
09-29-2005, 08:14 AM
I have taken pics of a site that match the description that Manuel gave of the Burial site. I sent them to info@concordregionalcrimeline.com about 2 weeks ago from the date of Sept 28th, 2005. I gave my name and where I lived. I'm just wondering how long it would take them to respond or do I need to get in contact with local authorities? I have been totally taken over by this story because I live right next to I-80, the last exit before OHIO. ... Suepap
I suggest that you call the State Police and explain who you are and what information you have. They are probably the ones who looked for the children before, have a knowledge of the case, and canl coordinate with any local jurisdictions necessary. Usually, also, they have jurisdiction over major highways and lands adjacent.

State Police usually have aviation units (helocoptors) with infrared sensors to examine the area. It is also the State Police who have K-9 tracking units, and possibly cadaver dogs.

Auggie21
09-29-2005, 11:40 AM
Sue,

You could also contact a missing children's advocacy group and see if they can help set up a small private search. If you get the right publicity, some people may even volunteer their search dogs. Garrett Bardsley's father, sadly, has experience coordinating search and recovery efforts. I don't know him personally, but you can find out more at www.findgarrett.org (http://www.findgarrett.org).

SuePap
09-30-2005, 04:03 AM
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

See if these pics can be a possible sight..all behind the tan brick building with the water pump inside the fence.............pass it on

thank you

Gabby
09-30-2005, 06:05 AM
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

See if these pics can be a possible sight..all behind the tan brick building with the water pump inside the fence.............pass it on

thank you



Site doesn't let me view any pictures

SuePap
09-30-2005, 12:24 PM
I need to find out how to set up a web sight..I see you cant get in because it's still in me email....sorry
I'll keep trying.thank you for letting me know.

mysteriew
09-30-2005, 05:42 PM
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

See if these pics can be a possible sight..all behind the tan brick building with the water pump inside the fence.............pass it on

thank you

LOL, that took me to my own photo album on yahoo. Don't get frustrated, we will figure this out.

mysteriew
09-30-2005, 05:48 PM
Check out this online photo album. Free, says it has easy sharing capablility. I have never used it, so I can't give you an opinion. Suggestion: make the album available to the public. Try uploading the photos here, then post the link here and we can check it out. If we can find the photos, then you can use that link to send to LE.
http://www.myphotoalbum.com/

mysteriew
10-04-2005, 01:35 AM
Suepap, I am anxious to see the pictures. If I can be of any help in getting them online, just pm me.

dannyodie
10-05-2005, 06:50 AM
I need to find out how to set up a web sight..I see you cant get in because it's still in me email....sorry
I'll keep trying.thank you for letting me know.
well, setting up a website is not only possible it is also free, go to www.freewebs.com (http://www.freewebs.com) that website will walk you through the process, I think another one that might be free is www.homestead.com (http://www.homestead.com) just read all the prompts and soon you will have a website for free. you can't mess it up, cause it will let you preview the website you made before you publish it to the public, and even at that you will be able to go back and edit or add content later.

cwiz24
12-02-2005, 01:44 PM
Authorities in Hudson, OH will be conducting a news conference this afternoon regarding New Hampshire missing siblings Sarah and Philip Gehring. Human remains have been found in the area and it is expected that the authorities will confirm that these are the remains of the two children. I, for one, hope it is them and their mother can finally have some closure.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/02/ohio_authorities_schedule_briefing_on_missing_nh_c hildren/

http://www.philipandsarah.com/index.html

amandab
12-02-2005, 01:49 PM
While I also hope it is them, I'm surprised at the location of the remains. I always thought they were in the Ohio area....

cwiz24
12-02-2005, 01:49 PM
Authorities in Hudson, OH will be conducting a news conference this afternoon regarding New Hampshire missing siblings Sarah and Philip Gehring. Human remains have been found in the area and it is expected that the authorities will confirm that these are the remains of the two children. I, for one, hope it is them and their mother can finally have some closure.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/02/ohio_authorities_schedule_briefing_on_missing_nh_c hildren/

http://www.philipandsarah.com/index.html

Montanagirl
12-02-2005, 01:52 PM
I thought they had been buried. Were these bodies buried? I am surprised they would be found like this. I hope for their mother's sake it is them.

chicoliving
12-02-2005, 01:54 PM
Boston television stations reported that someone walking a dog came across two bodies wrapped in plastic. In his confession, Gehring said he wrapped his children's bodies in plastic and put duct tape crosses on their chests before burying them.

cwiz24
12-02-2005, 01:54 PM
I thought they had been buried. Were these bodies buried? I am surprised they would be found like this. I hope for their mother's sake it is them.

Apparently, someone walking their dog came across remains in plastic bags. Their father said that he had wrapped the children's bodies in plastic bags before burying them.

Hammerized
12-02-2005, 02:16 PM
Remains of Gehring children may have been found

http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Remains%20of%20Gehring%20chi ldren%20may%20have%20been%20found&articleId=acf59604-72fe-4198-888b-003b21f5917e
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
15 minutes ago
Concord — Human remains discovered in Hudson, Ohio, (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&zoom=4&mapdata=Qg5DZUlxQC86M6MJ08TvZiSwQfnWBdhW42gLWW32rn QGvsTtvDmcNrCeCfkA0JQyrEKMcDZgeYkx%2by%2br6lsbsC%2 fHhRdutnqpm8gKyXMpVA7eXk%2bQxILy8YKMp6Cxq0N1wgGma0 c23U5s6hKecOirikqxtXHBwUG5zbxoLMG5RXbyu%2bgVStgISY 1TaKenlqZ9%2fJglYgjw1%2fCA0Je54sU7YYGwM67MxNIjCG%2 bt55zVBSWZawNAsg2wdOMiGYBsPSNLwyxFjOLno4xwDsLdWpkw YjznPph3kRF98yvngenG22DJyQvolBeuztniZ%2fH124xkRRX% 2buNjYoCbcfernaL%2bTwatW9u95f0BiSGB9TW8ts6ZmMPbBX4 X%2bFgbBNRgt1I3KSPvjFwcl6Vgm7L%2bpd30nrPf6eksxPgNP ifslGVAAwfzHJgAFRCxjjwcVQ%2fcAK3%2fdAZTALFjSFEV6Nl rmVsN7nO88gtLJZwFUMPuk2Go5qekPWJiZUFJbKDvpQ04G7J2d bmEnNi9SA5DdgI%2fjqcAmRl7HKJHxZfosXwq3H0m2zzHOF%2f baqvodBGX70X%2fILvl37zq2CiYai%2f8%3d#map1-link) may be those of two children from New Hampshire murdered by their father in 2003.

A news conference was scheduled for mid-afternoon in Hudson, and city spokeswoman Jody Roberts said it was about the discovery. She declined to elaborate.

In New Hampshire, Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin said the briefing was related to the search for Sarah and Philip Gehring of Concord. Healso declined to elaborate.
[...]
Boston television stations reported that someone walking a dog came across two bodies wrapped in plastic. In his confession, Gehring said he wrapped his children’s bodies in plastic and put duct tape crosses on their chests before burying them.



http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/5452554/detail.html
A gravesite discovered in Ohio Thursday may contain the bodies of two New Hampshire siblings allegedly murdered by their father, Manuel Gehring, two years ago.FBI officials were at the scene in Hudson, Ohio, where they were expected to hold a news conference Friday afternoon.
Video at this link:
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BOS10149/

Paradise
12-02-2005, 02:31 PM
Any new info yet?

cwiz24
12-02-2005, 02:32 PM
Any new info yet?

At a news conference Friday afternoon in Hudson, police and the FBI said a dog that bolted from its owner during a walk Thursday afternoon led her to two shallow graves with human remains in plastic.

Tests will be required to determine whether the remains are those of Sarah and Philip Gehring of Concord.

Rocky
12-02-2005, 02:52 PM
2 bodies found (http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/02/ohio_authorities_schedule_briefing_on_missing_nh_c hildren/)

CONCORD, N.H. --Human remains discovered in Hudson, Ohio, may be those of two children from New Hampshire murdered by their father in 2003, authorities said Friday...

Sarah, 14, and Philip, 11, were murdered by their father as he fled across the country after watching the fireworks in Concord on July 4, 2003. Manuel Gehring confessed and said he buried them within sight of Interstate 80, but couldn't remember where. He killed himself in prison before he could be tried.



That's about 80 miles down route 80 from Grove Pennsylvania where he bought the shovel at Walmart.

At least Mom will finally have closure...

Rocky
12-02-2005, 02:54 PM
bump.

mysteriew
12-02-2005, 03:36 PM
No matter what else Gehring may have said, I always believed he was telling the truth about the fact that he killed the children. I don't believe he didn't remember where they were, I think he just wanted to keep Teri from knowing.
I hope this is them, so that now she will at least be able to bury them properly and have a grave to mourn over.

See Kaye
12-02-2005, 04:01 PM
Thanks for posting that, Rocky. I hope they can quickly id the bodies so that Mom can give them a proper burial and get on with her life with her twins.

-ck

mysteriew
12-02-2005, 04:13 PM
I wonder if he didn't bury them or if he buried them in a grave so shallow that it was uncovered by weather or animals?

lostfaith
12-02-2005, 11:01 PM
I have been gone all day, logging in and seeing that these children have been found, I can not explain how happy it makes me. This has always bothered me so much. I just felt so bad for that mother driving around searching for them. I wanted to go help look so bad. This may sound "not right" but, I think this is just an awesome present to this Mother, I am so happy for her. She knew they were gone, but she just wanted them home. I never thought that they would be found. I did not believe the Father was being truthfull in his discription of the area he burried them in, I am glad to see he did not lie about that.

If you see anything new Mysteriew, please post it. This is one of my pet cases.

Dark Knight
12-03-2005, 06:32 AM
HUDSON, Ohio (AP) — Two bodies discovered in Ohio may be those of two New Hampshire children whose father confessed to killing them and burying them somewhere along a 700-mile stretch of the Midwest 2 1/2 years ago, authorities said Friday.

Police and the FBI said a dog that bolted from its owner during a walk Thursday found two shallow graves with human remains wrapped in plastic near Interstate 80, also known as the Ohio Turnpike.

Scott Wilson, a spokesman with the FBI's Cleveland office, said he could not comment on the gender or age of the bodies, but added: "We're looking into the possibility the bodies might be linked to those missing kids."

If tests confirm the remains are those of Sarah and Philip Gehring of Concord, N.H., the discovery will end a long and frustrating search that ranged 700 miles across the Midwest.

Sarah, 14, and Philip, 11, were shot to death by their father, Manuel Gehring, as he fled across the country in July 2003. Gehring confessed to the slayings but strangled himself in prison before he could be tried.

He told police he buried the children somewhere along a stretch of interstate between Pennsylvania and Iowa, but he could not pinpoint the spot. He described the site as having tall grass, concrete pipes, a wire fence, an old water pump and a yellowish building.

Extensive searches turned up no evidence of the graves, and some officials despaired of ever finding the bodies.

"I'm numb," Gehring's ex-wife and the children's mother, Teri Knight, said from her home in Hillsboro, N.H., where she was watching news reports. "We've learned to take things sometimes week-to-week and month-to-month, and today it's minute-to-minute."

Gehring, an unemployed accountant, had been locked in a custody dispute with his ex-wife, who had remarried. Gehring's ex-wife and her husband said they searched within five miles of Hudson earlier this fall.

The children were last seen arguing with their father at a July Fourth fireworks display. Gehring said he pulled off the highway later that night and shot the children, then drove for hours with their bodies in his van.

He said he eventually wrapped his children in plastic and buried them with duct-tape crosses on their chests.

He was arrested in California a week after the children disappeared.

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Associated Press Writer David Tirrell-Wysocki contributed to this report from Hillsboro, N.H.

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 06:47 AM
I heard on the news that the bodies they found, did have the duct taped crosses.

Bobbisangel
12-03-2005, 07:34 AM
No matter what else Gehring may have said, I always believed he was telling the truth about the fact that he killed the children. I don't believe he didn't remember where they were, I think he just wanted to keep Teri from knowing.
I hope this is them, so that now she will at least be able to bury them properly and have a grave to mourn over.


I heard that on the news and I got excited. It sounds really crazy to get excited about bodies being found I know. I just know what their mother has gone through trying to find them and how hateful that husband was because he wanted to hurt her so much for some reason. I really didn't think the kids would ever be found.

I just hope and pray that it is the kids. It is so horrible that a dad would do something so awful to his own children....he should have killed himself. Now the mom can hopfully find some peace and bury her little kids. Sad it had to be this way though.

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 07:40 AM
If you see anything new Mysteriew, please post it. This is one of my pet cases.

LOL hon, many others have and will post here. But it just so happens I did find something.


Mother awaits word on found bodies
“I’m numb,” Gehring’s ex-wife and the children’s mother, Teri Knight, said from her home in Hillsboro, N.H., where she was watching news reports. “We’ve learned to take things sometimes week-to-week and month-to-month, and today it’s minute-to-minute.”
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/news/local/13319902.htm
Picture of Teri Knight sitting with her cell phone, waiting for word at link. Bless her she looks so sad!

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 07:48 AM
Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin said that while the identities still must be confirmed, "(The woman) was out there specifically looking for what she hoped would be the burial site for Philip and Sarah Gehring and it turns out she was correct."

The bodies were discovered around 4 p.m. Thursday by a woman who was looking for the bodies while walking her dog. Strelzin said the woman was one of many who had answered calls by the children's mother, Teri Knight, to help in the search.

Strelzin said the woman's dog led her to the grave; she called the police after finding plastic.

Strelzin planned to fly to Ohio on Friday to compare dental records from the Gehring children with those of the bodies found. Strelzin said the area around the grave closely matches a description give to authorities by Philip and Sarah's father, Manuel Gehring.

Strelzin said Friday two crosses fashioned from sticks and duct tape were found with the bodies.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/02/site_similar_to_gerhing_one_in_multiple_ways/

Teri's drive and seach last summer finally paid off.

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 07:50 AM
I just posted a couple of new articles in the missing but not forgotten thread.

nanandjim
12-03-2005, 04:40 PM
I didn't realize this idiot of a father killed himself. Good riddance!

concernedperson
12-03-2005, 05:01 PM
Fox News alert stating we will learn any moment if the bodies found were Sarah and Philip. Dental comparisons were being done today. I will post as soon as I hear.

ETA: News Conference From LE at 6 PM Eastern.

jaybird
12-03-2005, 05:30 PM
Fox News reporting a news conference in about half an hour!!

SadieMae
12-03-2005, 05:30 PM
I am so sad, yet happy at the same time for their mother. It's kind of a strange feeling for me. Her children are dead, but at least she found them and can end her search for their bodies. I think even if you know your child is dead, you still want to properly bury them, not leave them in an unknown place. I pray she finds some comfort and peace putting her children in their final resting place.

alpharee
12-03-2005, 05:40 PM
The area in which they found them is about 25-30 miles from me. I've often wondered where they were and hoped they'd be found. I can only imagine the hell this mother has been thru.

Nore
12-03-2005, 06:15 PM
I haven't heard the news yet,been busy.I hope these children are the missing ones.I so want their mom to at least be able to give them a proper burial.They were found in Hudson Ohio and taken to the Summit County Coronors office.This is all near Akron Ohio.found near I 80~(turnpike).I'm saying a prayer that it is them..

concernedperson
12-03-2005, 06:22 PM
It is 6:21 and no news conference yet.

SadieMae
12-03-2005, 06:31 PM
I just heard it on Fox....it's confirmed.

jaybird
12-03-2005, 06:31 PM
The news ticker at the bottom of the screen on Fox News confirmed it's Sarah and Philip Gehring.

concernedperson
12-03-2005, 06:32 PM
Confirmed. It was Philip and Sarah. Per Fox News.Blessing for their mom!!!

Nore
12-03-2005, 06:42 PM
Confirmed. It was Philip and Sarah. Per Fox News.Blessing for their mom!!!
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I jst read it on my Newsnet5 bulletin.I am so glad they have been found.They were both shot multiple times,buried in shallow graves.They are still at the Coroners office.My heart goes out to their mom and family..

lostfaith
12-03-2005, 07:03 PM
Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin said that while the identities still must be confirmed, "(The woman) was out there specifically looking for what she hoped would be the burial site for Philip and Sarah Gehring and it turns out she was correct."

The bodies were discovered around 4 p.m. Thursday by a woman who was looking for the bodies while walking her dog. Strelzin said the woman was one of many who had answered calls by the children's mother, Teri Knight, to help in the search.

Strelzin said the woman's dog led her to the grave; she called the police after finding plastic.

Strelzin planned to fly to Ohio on Friday to compare dental records from the Gehring children with those of the bodies found. Strelzin said the area around the grave closely matches a description give to authorities by Philip and Sarah's father, Manuel Gehring.

Strelzin said Friday two crosses fashioned from sticks and duct tape were found with the bodies.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/02/site_similar_to_gerhing_one_in_multiple_ways/

Teri's drive and seach last summer finally paid off.

I wish we knew the name of the woman who found the bodies. Sounds like she was actually out looking for them. I would like to thank her. Obviiously she had read up on the case, knew what to look for, and did not give up. I am very grateful to her, and I am sure the children's mom is extremely grateful. I think I had read in a article from yesterday, that the mom and step dad had actual plans to go to that same area and look, but cancelled due to bad weather.

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 07:24 PM
Two small bodies found buried off Interstate 80 with duct-tape crosses over them were identified Saturday as the New Hampshire siblings killed by their father 2 1/2 years ago, authorities announced.

Dental records confirmed that the bodies are those of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother, Philip, 11, said Summit County Medical Examiner Lisa Kohler.
"It's just been truly this unbelievable burden not having them found, and so that does feel like somewhat of a relief," the children's mother, Teri Knight, said Saturday. "It's tough, but it's better than not knowing where they are."

In 2004, the U.S. Geological Survey did a pollen analysis on soil found under Gehring's minivan and near a shovel used to bury the children. It concluded that the soil most likely came from northeastern Ohio. The children's mother said she had searched within five miles of Hudson last summer.
http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2005/12/03/ap/headlines/d8e92pu8g.txt

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 07:30 PM
I thought it was interesting that the woman who found the children, was not just their randomly. She had heard the story of the Gehring children and went there to search.

mindi77
12-03-2005, 07:45 PM
Autopsies Confirm Bodies Are N.H. Siblings

By M.R. KROPKO, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 4 minutes ago

HUDSON, Ohio - Two small bodies found buried off Interstate 80 with duct-tape crosses over them were identified Saturday as the New Hampshire siblings killed by their father 2 1/2 years ago, authorities announced.
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Dental records confirmed that the bodies are those of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother, Philip, 11, said Summit County Medical Examiner Lisa Kohler.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051203/ap_on_re_us/missing_children

fran
12-03-2005, 07:52 PM
Now these poor babies can rest in peace. This is so sad. I'm glad the mom finally has her children back.

fran

mysteriew
12-03-2005, 08:03 PM
The long, grim search for the bodies of Sarah and Philip Gehring, whose New Hampshire father took investigators across the country to try to trace where he buried them in July 2003, may be over.

Authorities said yesterday that a woman aiding in the search for the Gehring children in Hudson, Ohio, found two small bodies wrapped in plastic garbage bags in a spot similar to the burial place described by Manuel Gehring, who confessed to the killings: a few miles off Interstate 80 in the Midwest, near a willow tree and an abandoned pump.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/03/two_small_bodies_unearthed_in_ohio/

This article was written begore the identity was concerned, but I included it because of the the interview with Terri.

New Hampshire’s Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin said that although the identities still must be confirmed, “(The woman) was out there specifically looking for what she hoped would be the burial site for Philip and Sarah Gehring and it turns out she was correct.”

Strelzin said the Ohio woman was one of many who had answered calls by the children’s mother, Teri Knight, to help in the search.

“I’m numb,” Knight said. “I’m just waiting for something that says it’s for real . . . I’m waiting to hear of clothing. I’m waiting to hear that there were braces on one of those bodies and that they have confirmed they were children.
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=115286

Dark Knight
12-03-2005, 08:16 PM
Autopsies Confirm Bodies Are N.H. Siblings

By M.R. KROPKO, Associated Press Writer


Two small bodies found buried off Interstate 80 with duct-tape crosses over them were identified Saturday as the New Hampshire siblings killed by their father 2 1/2 years ago, authorities announced.

Dental records confirmed that the bodies are those of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother, Philip, 11, said Summit County Medical Examiner Lisa Kohler.

"It's just been truly this unbelievable burden not having them found, and so that does feel like somewhat of a relief," the children's mother, Teri Knight, said Saturday. "It's tough, but it's better than not knowing where they are."

lostfaith
12-03-2005, 08:24 PM
I wonder if the Mother will go see the site now. I think I would want to if I were her. For some reason, I would just have too.

Dark Knight
12-03-2005, 09:01 PM
Praise the Lord it's over with. Those prayers were definitely answered. How odd he murders them then puts duct tape crosses on them.

Dark Knight
12-03-2005, 09:05 PM
A bit more info plus a link:

Two small bodies found buried off Interstate 80 with duct-tape crosses over them were identified Saturday as the New Hampshire siblings killed by their father 2 1/2 years ago, authorities announced.

Dental records confirmed that the bodies are those of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother, Philip, 11, said Summit County Medical Examiner Lisa Kohler.

"It's just been this unbelievable burden not having them found, and so that does feel like somewhat of a relief," the children's mother, Teri Knight, said Saturday. "It's tough, but it's better than not knowing where they are."

The autopsies revealed that Sarah had been shot in the head three times, and that her brother had been shot four times — once in each arm, in the head and in the neck, said New Hampshire Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin.

Authorities had recovered two handguns when Manuel Gehring was arrested, and officials said Saturday they believe both were used: One to shoot Sarah, and when that gun jammed, the other to kill her brother.

The children's shallow grave was discovered Thursday by a woman walking her dog in a wooded area near Hudson, about halfway between Cleveland and Akron. The area closely fit the clues the children's father had given authorities before killing himself, from the makeshift cross in a rural area near a highway to the bell-shaped concrete sewer connectors, fence and wood pile nearby.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_on_re_us/missing_children&printer=1 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_on_re_us/missing_children&printer=1);

concernedperson
12-03-2005, 09:09 PM
Like to mark the spot or something. It makes me sad and happy at the same time. For Teri, who has been searching and sad that he thought these children were inconsequential. I would like to beat his butt if it were available. Why , oh, why do these people think that children are so disposable? We see this so much. Why? There is a personality disorder that we are not looking at. Not all are narcissists there is something else.

2sisters
12-03-2005, 10:16 PM
I'm glad they have been found. I wish they were found alive though of course. At least she can give them a proper burial now and be able to visit the graves instead of never knowing. It's not closure by and means if that even can exist for people in these situations. The never knowing would kill me as it probably would any parent. I feel for the mother right now b/c this has to be so awful and with so many mixed emotions.

concernedperson
12-03-2005, 10:33 PM
These things make me scream for justice. The mom is going through unbearable pain. No closure, there is no closure.Just dead kids on the roadside.More I want to say. I won't because I am too upset.I just can'tdeal with this. It is so heartwrenching.And I am so sorry.I am just so sorry.

dannyodie
12-04-2005, 07:57 AM
HUDSON, Ohio (AP) - After he shot and killed his two children, Manuel Gehring dug a grave about 2-feet deep in the clay-like soil of northeast Ohio and made two crosses out of sticks, held together by duct tape, which he laid over their bodies. The New Hampshire man later told investigators that he said a prayer for the children's souls.

The gesture was an effort to ease his conscience, said Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin of New Hampshire.

The bodies of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother, 11-year-old Philip Gehring, were identified Saturday - two days after the corpses were found buried off Interstate 80 and 2 1/2 years after the children were slain.

(waiting for link to article--Animal)

mysteriew
12-04-2005, 08:16 AM
Sara shot 3 times, Philip shot 4 times. Terri cannot even draw any comfort from thinking that the kids didn't know what was happening to them. There is no way they couldn't know their father was shooting them.

mysteriew
12-04-2005, 08:18 AM
For Terry:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/sad/tears2.jpg

For Sara:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/sad/roses.bmp
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/sad/angel.bmp
For Philip:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/sad/roses.bmp
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/sad/angel.bmp

CrimeHater
12-04-2005, 05:31 PM
Sara shot 3 times, Philip shot 4 times. Terri cannot even draw any comfort from thinking that the kids didn't know what was happening to them. There is no way they couldn't know their father was shooting them.
Its sickening! Its bad enough he killed his own children, but to just be outwardly cruel about it... shooting them in the head, the arms, neck. I feel for those children still 2.5 years later.
I don't remember, but was it ever discovered what his motive was? Why he did this? I would like to know.

Dark Knight
12-04-2005, 07:31 PM
I wonder if the Mother will go see the site now. I think I would want to if I were her. For some reason, I would just have too.
Yes, she plans on visiting the shallow gravesite:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_on_re_us/missing_children

englishleigh
12-04-2005, 08:02 PM
A bit more info plus a link:



The autopsies revealed that Sarah had been shot in the head three times, and that her brother had been shot four times — once in each arm, in the head and in the neck, said New Hampshire Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin.

Authorities had recovered two handguns when Manuel Gehring was arrested, and officials said Saturday they believe both were used: One to shoot Sarah, and when that gun jammed, the other to kill her brother.





Poor little Philip. You can tell by the way he was shot that he suffered. He first watched his sister be killed and before he could digest that horror, probably, his father had picked up another gun and begun shooting him...you can tell he fought and tried to get away, b/c he was shot so many times in different places. :( :furious:

That monster did this to punish his ex-wife, I feel sure. I hope he is rotting in hell.

mysteriew
12-05-2005, 03:26 AM
Its sickening! Its bad enough he killed his own children, but to just be outwardly cruel about it... shooting them in the head, the arms, neck. I feel for those children still 2.5 years later.
I don't remember, but was it ever discovered what his motive was? Why he did this? I would like to know.

I think he said he intended to kill himself also. Yet he didn't. And even after capture he would only give clues to the burial site, investigators always felt that he knew where the site was, and just wouldn't tell.
He was in a custody battle with the children's mother and it has always been thought that he did this to hurt her. That is why he didn't kill himself right away, he wanted to see her reaction first. And then he killed himself so that no one could get the info about the burial site out of him. Knowing that it would hurt the mother more.

mysteriew
12-05-2005, 11:49 AM
Dr. Lisa Kohler said Philip, 11, and Sarah Gehring, 14, died of multiple gunshot wounds. Philip was shot three times and Sarah was shot four times in the head.

Kohler performed an autopsy Saturday. She said the children were identified through dental records.

The New Hampshire attorney general's office said the children's mother, Teri Knight, wanted to thank those involved with finding the children.

Authorities acknowledged similarities between the place where the shallow graves were discovered and the description given by the children's father, who confessed to killing them and burying them along Interstate 80.

Hudson police said an Akron resident who was compelled by Knight's story found the bodies. Officers said Stephanie Dietrich often went out and looked on her own for Philip and Sarah.

Dietrich called 911 when she saw that her dog dug up what appeared to be a shallow grave, containing a black bag and what looked like human remains.

The FBI then found the two sets of human remains. Using a mobile crime lab, officials exhumed the bodies during the course of the day Friday.

The bodies were found bearing duct-tape crosses, similar to the makeshift crosses described by Manuel Gehring. The surrounding area of the site is also similar to his description. He described details such as tall grass, a bell-shaped sewer, a wire fence and piles of wood.

The site of the grave is off of Terex Road, near Interstate 80.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/5452638/detail.html

PrayersForMaura
12-05-2005, 02:26 PM
I thought it was interesting that the woman who found the children, was not just their randomly. She had heard the story of the Gehring children and went there to search.
I agree ... check this story out:

Woman's obsession led to discovery of children's grave

AKRON, Ohio -- The woman who found the bodies of two missing New Hampshire children went out searching with her dog more than 40 times in a personal mission that her friends and family considered obsessive.


Stephanie Dietrich, a grocery store cashier, said Monday she was motivated to search for the remains of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother Philip, 11, by their mother's public plea for help.


The children were shot by their father, Manuel Gehring, who told authorities he drove for hours with their bodies in his van before burying them somewhere along 700 miles of Interstate 80. He gave police several clues but said he couldn't remember the location, then committed suicide in jail before a trial.


Dietrich, 44, had been searching since July in various locations near her northeast home in Akron because of clues that the grave site could be in the region. Last week, she began looking in the upscale suburb of Hudson for things like tall grass, sewer pipes and a wood pile that the father described.


She was searching in a remote wooded location with a muddy access road Thursday when her 101-pound mixed breed dog, Ricco, stopped.


"He talks with his body," she told The Associated Press. "He does things that communicate to me. He just laid down and started looking at me."

More: http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=4203927&nav=Lrzs

petra
12-05-2005, 07:48 PM
and another article about Ms. Dietrich who found the remains...a determined sleuther!!!!

Bless her, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051205/ap_on_re_us/missing_children;_ylt=AlERNTv2BeUZz862VZS_q_9H2ocA ;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg

petra
12-05-2005, 10:48 PM
and another article about Ms. Dietrich who found the remains...a determined sleuther!!!!

Bless her, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051205/ap_on_re_us/missing_children;_ylt=AlERNTv2BeUZz862VZS_q_9H2ocA ;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg
story on anderson cooper about this ..on now

mysteriew
12-05-2005, 11:54 PM
We need more people with obsessions like hers.

anneoakley63
12-06-2005, 08:56 AM
God Bless the woman who made it her mission to continue searching for these two kids.......even when her family thought she was nuts for doing it. :innocent:

Becba
12-06-2005, 10:45 PM
The mom was pretty sure it was her kids as she knew the duct tape crosses were found and that was part of the dads description.

Glad the woman that found them kept searching. She said her dog just lay down there.

concernedperson
12-06-2005, 10:51 PM
It just makes my heart break. I know the mom needed answers but this is such unbearable pain.These little babies just thrown away as if their lives were nothing. Why didn't he just shoot himself? I would shoot him if given the chance just not to hurt the kids.Why?

mysteriew
12-07-2005, 12:22 AM
Y
esterday afternoon, personal items worn by Sarah and Philip Gehring on the day their father killed them in 2003 were returned to the hands of their mother, Teri Knight.

Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Strelzin and Concord Police Detective Todd Flanagan delivered them to Knight yesterday. They had just returned from Hudson, Ohio, where Sarah and Philip's remains were discovered Thursday. Together with Knight and victim/witness advocate Jennifer Hunt, they looked over photographs of the burial site.

Flanagan and Strelzin left for Ohio within hours of hearing from the Hudson police on Friday that remains were found that could have been those of the Gehrings. Driving up to the site for the first time Saturday morning, Strelzin and Flanagan both said they didn't need to get all the way there to know that it was likely the one.

Strelzin said as soon as he saw the tall grass lining the side of the road, he had a feeling. He said the site matched his mental image by about 95 percent.

"It was certainly satisfying to be at the spot where the children were finally found," he said.

Strelzin made regular calls throughout the weekend to Hunt, describing the site and explaining the proceedings at the medical examiner's office. She relayed messages to Knight.

Strelzin said everyone he met in Ohio treated Sarah and Philip with reverence. Flower bouquets were placed at the burial site and at the end of the road. At the medical examiner's office, officials were professional and respectful of the children, he said.

On Sunday, before driving to the airport for their flight home, Flanagan and Strelzin visited the site. They got up early to beat the media crews there.

"The idea was to go there and pay our respects," Strelzin said.

As they stood there, a car drove up. Dietrich and her dog, Ricco, who helped her find the bodies, climbed out. Dietrich was one of hundreds of volunteers in New Hampshire and across the Midwest working to find the remains. With about five sites in mind to search and a trunk full of shovels, Flanagan said, Dietrich was just "a mom who wanted to help another mother out."

Dietrich hugged them, and "we gave Ricco a hug," he said.
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051206/REPOSITORY/512060371/1031

lostfaith
12-07-2005, 01:42 AM
We need more people with obsessions like hers.


I agree. It must be a good feeling for her, to be able to give someone that kind of peace.

mysteriew
12-07-2005, 11:05 PM
The mother of two children whose bodies were found last week visited the shallow grave where they were buried and retrieved their remains Wednesday to take them back home to New Hampshire.

Knight, 44, and her husband, Jim, asked that their visit to Ohio be private, said Jody Roberts, spokeswoman for Hudson, a town of about 23,000. She said the Knights, Dietrich and Ricco, a 100-pound part-boxer, met for about 45 minutes.

"Stephanie is a very lovely, lovely person," Knight said Wednesday evening upon her return to Hillsboro, N.H. "It was warm, friendly and comfortable. We made her fell comfortable and she made us feel comfortable," she said of their meeting.

The Knights retrieved the cremated remains from Mark Busch, owner of Busch Funeral and Crematory Services in Parma, a Cleveland suburb.

"It is a whole new journey now that they have been found. Visiting this place gives us comfort," Knight said earlier in a brief statement released by Busch.

Dietrich, a grocery cashier in nearby Akron, declined to comment.

"This is awkward," she said when asked by phone about meeting Knight. "I'm not supposed to say anything out of respect for her privacy."

Knight's visit was planned carefully. The FBI assisted her to protect her privacy, said Jeff Strelzin, senior assistant attorney general in New Hampshire and chief of the office's homicide unit.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/07/mother_of_missing_children_sees_burial_spot_retrie ves_remains/

mysteriew
12-07-2005, 11:10 PM
This was from yesterday

Yesterday afternoon, personal items worn by Sarah and Philip Gehring on the day their father killed them in 2003 were returned to the hands of their mother, Teri Knight.

Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Strelzin and Concord Police Detective Todd Flanagan delivered them to Knight yesterday. They had just returned from Hudson, Ohio, where Sarah and Philip's remains were discovered Thursday. Together with Knight and victim/witness advocate Jennifer Hunt, they looked over photographs of the burial site.

Flanagan and Strelzin left for Ohio within hours of hearing from the Hudson police on Friday that remains were found that could have been those of the Gehrings. Driving up to the site for the first time Saturday morning, Strelzin and Flanagan both said they didn't need to get all the way there to know that it was likely the one.

Strelzin said as soon as he saw the tall grass lining the side of the road, he had a feeling. He said the site matched his mental image by about 95 percent.

"It was certainly satisfying to be at the spot where the children were finally found," he said.

Strelzin made regular calls throughout the weekend to Hunt, describing the site and explaining the proceedings at the medical examiner's office. She relayed messages to Knight.

Strelzin said everyone he met in Ohio treated Sarah and Philip with reverence. Flower bouquets were placed at the burial site and at the end of the road. At the medical examiner's office, officials were professional and respectful of the children, he said.

On Sunday, before driving to the airport for their flight home, Flanagan and Strelzin visited the site. They got up early to beat the media crews there.

"The idea was to go there and pay our respects," Strelzin said.

As they stood there, a car drove up. Dietrich and her dog, Ricco, who helped her find the bodies, climbed out. Dietrich was one of hundreds of volunteers in New Hampshire and across the Midwest working to find the remains. With about five sites in mind to search and a trunk full of shovels, Flanagan said, Dietrich was just "a mom who wanted to help another mother out."

Dietrich hugged them, and "we gave Ricco a hug," he said.
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051206/REPOSITORY/512060371/1031

mysteriew
12-08-2005, 07:18 PM
Teri Knight, the New Hampshire woman whose search for her two missing children lasted more than two years and covered hundreds of miles, ended her quest yesterday when she returned from Ohio with the cremated remains of Sarah and Philip.

Six days after the children's long-sought burial site was finally discovered in Hudson, Ohio, Knight and her husband, Jim, traveled to the spot off Interstate 80 and later met with Stephanie Dietrich, the local woman who with the help of her dog, Ricco, found the remains wrapped in plastic in a shallow grave. The visit, conducted in private at the family's request, was confirmed in a statement from a local funeral home yesterday.

The children's remains were cremated Tuesday and returned to New Hampshire yesterday with the Knights, according to the statement. A private funeral service is scheduled for Sunday at Smith Memorial Congregational Church in Hillsborough, N.H.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/12/08/private_moment_at_slain_childrens_graves_closes_a_ painful_search/

mysteriew
12-10-2005, 01:21 PM
The family of Sarah and Philip Gehring has written another chapter – a sad one – in the short lives of the children. Formal obituaries appeared in Friday’s newspapers, recounting the lives of 14-year-old Sarah and 11-year-old Philip, who were murdered by their father in 2003.

A service is being held Sunday in Hillsboro.
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051210/REPOSITORY/312100004/1031

Rocky
12-11-2005, 06:55 PM
Service Held for Two Slain N.H. Children (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-us-12-l8&flok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20051211%2F1741148308.htm&sc=1110)

HILLSBORO, N.H. (AP) - A standing-room-only crowd of classmates, friends and relatives finally had the chance to say farewell Sunday to two children whose bodies were found in Ohio 2 1/2 years after their father killed them.

The remains of Sarah Gehring, 14, and her brother Philip, 11, were discovered Dec. 1 in a shallow grave near Hudson, Ohio, about 25 miles southeast of Cleveland.

``People often say that we can now find closure. Well, there really isn't closure when you are dealing with the senseless murder of your children,'' their mother, Teri Knight, said in a statement read to reporters after the memorial service. :(

mysteriew
12-16-2005, 12:31 AM
Authorities in Ohio and New Hampshire on Thursday honored the woman who found the bodies of Sarah and Philip Gehring.

Hours after Stephanie Dietrich, 44, of Akron, Ohio, received a certificate of appreciation from FBI agents in Ohio, New Hampshire officials announced that she will receive a $5,000 reward from the Concord Regional Crimeline program.
http://www.thewmurchannel.com/news/5544048/detail.html?rss=man&psp=news

lostfaith
02-17-2006, 10:44 PM
CBS4) CONCORD, N.H. Thursday was a special day for the family of Philip and Sarah Gehring. They are the new Hampshire children killed by their own father.

It was the opening night for the annual play at their old middle school. Their mother is ready for the show to begin -- in honor of her children.




http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_047214934.html

more at link......


February 17. 2006 8:00AM



LORI DUFF / Monitor staff
Brandon Oberg sits on the street in the Beaver Meadow production of The Gift, a play about homelessness.

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T
he year was 2000, and leading the cast of 80 in the Beaver Meadow Elementary School's production of The Giftwas a 9-year-old boy with an engaging smile and a brand new passion.

"He found something he loved to do and he was really good at it. He understood about showing the audience sad, happy, nervous,"said the mother of the 9-year-old from that production. "He got positive reinforcement, but more than that, it was then that he really began to find himself."

The boy who starred in The Giftsix years ago was Philip Gehring. Three years later, Philip and his older sister Sarah were murdered by their father. Last December, their long-missing bodies were found in Ohio, which finally allowed their mother, Teri Knight, to bring her children home.

another article, a little longer. It is nice to see them remembered.


http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/REPOSITORY/602170311/1223

lostfaith
03-19-2006, 05:42 PM
I just love this story. The woman who found the children was honored by the FBI, along with her dog. :)


http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/03/16/her_digging_unearthed_sad_ending_to_hunt_for_2_chi ldren/



The story of these two children will always be remembered by me.

Sweetnspicy
08-29-2013, 01:29 PM
bump

Actually he mispoke and is NOT a member of family... he just accidently dropped the y off of your and it became our.

Sweetnspicy
08-29-2013, 01:32 PM
Edited...sorry