IL-Two Young Girls Found Dead

[Pocono Sleuther]

I can't either, PSA. I really don't think any of us can or will ever be able to understand this. I would also like to say that chasing someone around with a chainsaw sounds a bit more serious than aggravated assault. Perhaps attempted murder?! Wondering, now, if there was any previous abuse going one? Had he been violent to his daughter before?

[packerdog]

Here comes two counts of first degree murder plus lots of priors and probation breaking sh*t, too. Big time death penalty case.

Yup. and now that they have the DP back again in Ill, he will get it.

[richandfamous]

Illinois has a death penalty, but the idiot governor took everyone off of death row. So he will be there all by himself! Idiot gov.

[packerdog]

Illinois has a death penalty, but the idiot governor took everyone off of death row. So he will be there all by himself! Idiot gov.

LOL, I know, and they said today they don't have 1 person on deathrow. Maybe he can choose what cell he wants.

[Marthatex]

Have to agree with you on that one Marthatex. He is creepy in a big way. I am curious if he's had a drug or drinking problem which would only increase his rages. It's terrible to imagine someone killing their own child in any manner. But stabbing her in the neck?! He HAD to look into those girls eyes while murdering them. What is wrong with this world?!

Well, sure looks like it could be a drug rage. You know, that methamphetamine, cocaine or ecstacy make you totally crazy. Some people mix the coke and meth. There needs to be a way to keep drugs away from these criminals, but the drugs are everywhere. So just keep these violent guys in jail, I guess. Let Martha Stewart out. Good grief, what is going on with our legal system and prison system? Way too lenient in some areas.

This man is the scum of the earth, just like J. Couey. Put them away forever. Do it tomorrow. We should have 0 tolerance for child killing.

[richandfamous]

First time I saw a pic of Laura Hobbs, I looked at that little face and that look she has and thought, that little girl has been through some chit! She has knowledge of more bad things in life than good. Her eyes are distant and guarded. jmo

[PolkSaladAnnie]

They did say he had a DUI, so maybe he had a problem.

Yes I also read 'drug-related charges' on one of those links! I'm definitely willing to go out on a limb and virtually guarantee that this 'father' was drunk or drugged up (or both) at the time. That's on TOP of having a mean temper and wild, harsh nature ~ indicated by assualt charges since circa 1990.

Some people need the smallest 'sip' to set them off in shades of lunacy. I know. [edited] Booze. It's the pits.

:shock: ... NOT one inmate on DR in Illinois?

[SauerKraut]

First time I saw a pic of Laura Hobbs, I looked at that little face and that look she has and thought, that little girl has been through some chit! She has knowledge of more bad things in life than good. Her eyes are distant and guarded. jmo

You know, the first time I saw her picture, I thought the same thing! She looks tough for an 8 year old, even though all accounts say she is very sweet. She has probably heard all kinds of bad things about her father, and hates him, now he's back in her life! Rebellion! Which is normal, and the father probably couldn't deal with it.

So please tell me, where was the mother, was she working that night? Maybe the girls came home, the father was angry and rode with her on her bike to the woods to punish them since they were not allowed to go there. I think the father was on the bike with one of the kids, to get there. But maybe not.

He does look scary in his picture! Angry. Bully. Can't beat up someone his own age so he beats up on his kid.

I think the reason so many people are off death row is because didn't the Univerity there discover so many people were wrongfully put there? A few years ago? :banghead:

[nanandjim]

I thought the little girl looked guarded in the photo, too. I also have wondered from the beginning why these girls were out all day from the wee hours of the morning. It doesn't sound like they went home to eat or drink anything.

Laura's father could have been very abusive behind closed doors, and she tried to avoid him at all costs. Something set off this guy. I wonder if the truth (or anything close to it) will come out.

[PrayersForMaura]

I thought the little girl looked guarded in the photo, too. I also have wondered from the beginning why these girls were out all day from the wee hours of the morning. It doesn't sound like they went home to eat or drink anything.

Laura's father could have been very abusive behind closed doors, and she tried to avoid him at all costs. Something set off this guy. I wonder if the truth (or anything close to it) will come out.yes, i also think she looks guarded and tough in this photo on the right

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As her shirt says, she is a little angel. I hope God is taking good care of here now :(

[SauerKraut]

I thought the little girl looked guarded in the photo, too. I also have wondered from the beginning why these girls were out all day from the wee hours of the morning. It doesn't sound like they went home to eat or drink anything.

Laura's father could have been very abusive behind closed doors, and she tried to avoid him at all costs. Something set off this guy. I wonder if the truth (or anything close to it) will come out.

I think back to when I was 8 and we, my brother, myself and the neighborhood kids, would stay out very late playing around the neighborhood. Late meaning after it was dark. There was never worry that something would happen. And we would stay out all day, stopping at one of our houses to eat but mainly, it was about playing. We didn't want to take the time to eat. I don't think this is so abnormal unless now kids just don't do that anymore because of all the sickos here (which is one reason my husband and I will be raising our kids in Germany.)

I do agree something made this guy snap. I mean think about it, you're dealing with someone who is unstable at best. The last time he sees his family, the girl is really little, he gets out of prison and now she is bigger, has some opinions of her own and life is not what he expected. Mother and him fight, kid is always in the way, mother takes the kids side all the time, kid doesn't respect the father, mouths off, whatever. Ticking time bomb goes off. It's not so hard to figure out, just very sad.

Why the hell did the mother let him back into their lives like that? What was she thinking? :doh:

[lady-eowyn]

I think back to when I was 8 and we, my brother, myself and the neighborhood kids, would stay out very late playing around the neighborhood. Late meaning after it was dark. There was never worry that something would happen. And we would stay out all day, stopping at one of our houses to eat but mainly, it was about playing. We didn't want to take the time to eat. I don't think this is so abnormal unless now kids just don't do that anymore because of all the sickos here (which is one reason my husband and I will be raising our kids in Germany.)
I remember it being like that when I was a kid too...

[richandfamous]

Jerry Branton Hobbs III

wow, makes ya wonder what legacy was intended there?

[nanandjim]

...we would stay out all day, stopping at one of our houses to eat but mainly, it was about playing...
We did this during the summer, but we always went home to eat and were called in for dinner. We definitely did not frequent the parks and woods close to dark. We were in the neighborhood and close to home by late afternoon. Didn't these girls have school the next day? If so, I would think that they needed to be home, getting their bathes and ready for the next day.

[mrs4point0]

I think back to when I was 8 and we, my brother, myself and the neighborhood kids, would stay out very late playing around the neighborhood. Late meaning after it was dark. There was never worry that something would happen. And we would stay out all day, stopping at one of our houses to eat but mainly, it was about playing. We didn't want to take the time to eat. I don't think this is so abnormal unless now kids just don't do that anymore because of all the sickos here (which is one reason my husband and I will be raising our kids in Germany.)

Why the hell did the mother let him back into their lives like that? What was she thinking? :doh:

Ah, those were the days, weren't they? I have an older brother and two younger sisters. We would go outside and play for hours on end with no fear of being snatched. That was unheard of where I lived. We could just tell our mother we were going outside and we weren't required to 'check in'. She just yelled for us, and we came home. If she didn't yell for us, we had to come in at dark time. Nowadays, you have to know where your kid is at all times.

As for what the mother was thinking.............she wasn't.

[richandfamous]

On FreeRepublic they are saying he is making a full confession.

"What they're saying is the little girl was grounded as a punishment and wasn't supposed to be out. He went out to find her, killed her, and the friend as she was a witness."

[ISPTRAX]

That sick MFer... killed her because she went out and was grounded? What's FreeRepublic? He's probably confessing to cop a plea agreement knowing Death Penalty is imminent.

[Pharlap]

On Now

[richandfamous]

Jerry Branton Hobbs III
charged with 2 counts of first degree murder
of Laura Hobbs and Krystal Tobia
More detail on evidence tomorrow after bond hearing.

[richandfamous]

They were at the park and he came looking for them and murdered them probably as they were running from him back through the woods. Early evening hours! not midnight!

[mrs4point0]

Jerry Branton Hobbs III
charged with 2 counts of first degree murder
of Laura Hobbs and Krystal Tobia
More detail on evidence tomorrow after bond hearing.

I don't know exactly how they define 1st degree murder in Ill. but most states define it as murder by poison, lying in wait, torture, murder done wilfully, deliberately, and with premeditation, or murder that results from a death occurring in the commission of a dangerous felony.

[Cypros]

I just saw a photo of the father, Mr. Hobbs. He is one scary-looking Dude! I feel sorry for a young girl being forced to live under such circumstances. What was he doing living there anyway? Was the mother trying to reconcile?

[Cypros]

So this is what we have come to now.... a young child resists her grounding and spends the day hanging out with her best friend -- probably terrified to go home -- and so her father goes out and hunts them both down, beats them and stabs them to death... Unbelievable! What hole in Hell did that poor excuse for a human being crawl out from?

[mrs4point0]

So this is what we have come to now.... a young child resists her grounding and spends the day hanging out with her best friend -- probably terrified to go home -- and so her father goes out and hunts them both down, beats them and stabs them to death... Unbelievable! What hole in Hell did that poor excuse for a human being crawl out from?

Probably the same one I wish my ex would crawl back into.....

[claude daigle]

on dan abrams right now they said the father came after Laura over a dispute about money, believe it or not.

[richandfamous]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/162962/17_42_tobias_krystal_ap.jpg http://www.foxnews.com/images/162962/17_43_hobbs_laura_50.jpg http://www.foxnews.com/images/163040/21_14_hobbs_jerry_90.jpg
She was probably grounded so I guess he went looking for them (they were on one bike) saw them at the park and went after them, found them and killed them in the early evening hours (not midnight). The DA hinted that there was some dispute with Laura's mother. There will be more details after the bond hearing tomorrow morning.
So I'm thinking that the lights that the neighbor saw in the park was him maybe killing them? jmo

[SauerKraut]

She was probably grounded so I guess he went looking for them (they were on one bike) saw them at the park and went after them, found them and killed them in the early evening hours (not midnight). The DA hinted that there was some dispute with Laura's mother. There will be more details after the bond hearing tomorrow morning.
So I'm thinking that the lights that the neighbor saw in the park was him maybe killing them? jmo

Unbelievable! I stayed away from the news for a couple hours and now this. On cnn.com, Gott oh Gott, he looks mean! Those poor girls, imagine to be killed by your own father and then the friend, who can't imagining this is happening. So tragic! Who does "the system" keep people like this out? Didn't this guy have problems in his past? He completely fell through the cracks. And the mother, what was going through her head? :mad:

I don't wholeheartedly agree with the death penalty, except in cases like this. Sick bastard. What could possibly make you so mentally ill that you kill a child?

[SauerKraut]

And another thing, maybe I'm wrong, but does the guy look like he isn't "right?" Like he looks like he had fetal alcohol syndrome, or something? His eyes look funny and the way his face is, is he slightly, you know....I don't want to offend anyone. But he looks like there is (and always was) something wrong with him. Not just mean, something else. Or am I imagining it?

[richandfamous]

I think our society is suffering the ravages of a long and strong drug culture and meth is the most evil of them all. The process has taken a couple of generations but the bomb has landed. jmo

[richandfamous]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/163040/25_28_051005_Father.jpg
here's his most recent booking photo (today)

[SauerKraut]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/163040/25_28_051005_Father.jpg
here's his most recent booking photo (today)

Gotta say it again, he does not look "right" and I don't mean just angry.

What is the free republic website where he supposedly confessed? Danke sehr.

[richandfamous]

Free Republic site /post 432 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1400229/posts?q=1&&page=401)
making a full confession.

What they're saying is the little girl was grounded as a punishment and wasn't supposed to be out. He went out to find her, killed her, and the friend as she was a witness.

[SauerKraut]

Free Republic site /post 432 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1400229/posts?q=1&&page=401)

Thanks for the post. I just can't get over this, what makes people do this. I have a psycho degree and this just never ceases to amaze me.

What is even more disturbing, when you see the pictures of Krystal's brother, you know that years from now, he is going to have a messed up life because of this. It's all so sad. I hope the families can move on from this tragedy. The mother will never be able to forgive herself and I hate to say it, but she is somewhat to blame if she knew how violent he was before.

[Cupcake]

I just read he was angry over some money ... what the heck is THAT about? Angry over money and his little girl? Even if my kid spent all the money in my checking account and charged up all my cards, I would never hurt my own child. Sumting wong with this guy, seriously.

[OB RN]

And another thing, maybe I'm wrong, but does the guy look like he isn't "right?" Like he looks like he had fetal alcohol syndrome, or something?
WOW...good pickup. He DOES look like he has FAS - or some kind of syndrome. Scary.

[ISPTRAX]

Oh, this makes me SOOOOOOOOOOOO mad!!! :furious: This Loser just got out of prison and goes flying back to his "enabler's" life? Is that what it is? And he's pissed about $$$??? Who TF does he think he is???!!!! Then he takes his rage out on the children??!!! And where TF was the "MOTHER"/wife this whole time? So, does he come back "home" covered in blood and takes a freakin' shower with MOTHER/wife looking on while her child is missing? Un-FREAKING BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ISPTRAX]

Is it time for this to have its own thread since he's been charged?

[richandfamous]

Laura had been grounded for stealing money and her mother let her off ground a day early. That made him mad so he went looking for her. He probably felt like the mother was underminding him.

I think I read that on the other thread....by golfmom
I think he may have been abusing Laura...just a guess.

[Trino]

We need to hear from or about the mother. Are we to believe she didn't suspect him? She must have known he was gone. What did she say to LE?

[richandfamous]

Is it time for this to have its own thread since he's been charged?

yep,,,go ahead!

[mrs4point0]

Laura had been grounded for stealing money and her mother let her off ground a day early. That made him mad so he went looking for her. He probably felt like the mother was underminding him.

don't know in what article I read that......

I think he may have been abusing Laura...just a guess.

My 11-year-old makes me really angry of late. You know, you've all been through the smart mouth stage........talking back, pushing the limits, saying no, etc. It is SO very frustrating. Sometimes I really want to snatch her lips off, but geez! I would never do anything to hurt her, much less kill her.

As some of you already know, I grew up under the very violent and controlling hands of an alcoholic father. Believe me, I know about anger and frustration. However, I've never 'snapped.' I just don't buy that 'because of *stick whatever excuse you want here* I just snapped and couldn't control myself' bit. It just doesn't float with me. Too many people use that excuse. I know plenty of people that have been through horrendous ordeals, and they can control themselves just fine.

[Pocono Sleuther]

This loser's excuse is MONEY??????!!! He murdered his own daughter and her friend over money and her being grounded! My own 8 year old can be mouthy on a good day, but I have never and would never (neither would dh) even think of something so awful. I do not care what that child did...she did not deserve to die. My heart is breaking for her friends family as well. Can you imagine knowing that ugly SOB took your daughter's life simply because she was there? Simply because she saw too much. I want to hear from the mother now. Didn't she realize he was missing during that time? I would hope she had no idea he murdered them, but wouldn't you notice a change in mood like that? It's disgusting to think the last face those two girls saw was that disgusting mug. :sick:

[SauerKraut]

My 11-year-old makes me really angry of late. You know, you've all been through the smart mouth stage........talking back, pushing the limits, saying no, etc. It is SO very frustrating. Sometimes I really want to snatch her lips off, but geez! I would never do anything to hurt her, much less kill her.

As some of you already know, I grew up under the very violent and controlling hands of an alcoholic father. Believe me, I know about anger and frustration. However, I've never 'snapped.' I just don't buy that 'because of *stick whatever excuse you want here* I just snapped and couldn't control myself' bit. It just doesn't float with me. Too many people use that excuse. I know plenty of people that have been through horrendous ordeals, and they can control themselves just fine.

Go read my earlier posts, it's exactly as I said. I grew up with my mother always pinning me against my father and believe me, I know how parents can manipulate kids, even if they don't realize it. This girl was the same age I was went I started mouthing off, and it had a lot to do with my parents fighting and always dragging me into their battles. My father would never do what this guy did, my father is a poor soul living his last days without his kids around now, but I can imagine a guy snapping, someone who is unstable to begin with. It's about taking responsibility.

Although, I'm telling you, I bet this guy has a lower than 100 IQ. He might not be what we would call "mentally retarded" because he does not have DS, but he DOES NOT look "right." In psychology, you learn how the forehead, eyes spread apart....it's wrong. I see his nose has been broken but it's about the forehead and eyes.

I say give all these guys a lobotomy and castrate them. :doh:

[lady-eowyn]

And another thing, maybe I'm wrong, but does the guy look like he isn't "right?" Like he looks like he had fetal alcohol syndrome, or something? His eyes look funny and the way his face is, is he slightly, you know....I don't want to offend anyone. But he looks like there is (and always was) something wrong with him. Not just mean, something else. Or am I imagining it?
I didn't say it earlier, but all I could think is that he looked rather neanderthal in nature...kind of like he hadn't evolved as the rest of humankind has... what a sick f*&^

[Only4Justice]

Child molester's & killers =shot on site. No lengthy and costly court battle, no stalling tactics, no trying to make up excuses as to why they did it. Nothing. Give them the same sentance that they give their victims and carry it out immediately.

I agree with all of your post, but in particular the above.....NO SECOND CHANCES...... :behindbar :sick:

[Timex]

Please continue this discussion in the crimes and trial forum. It will make it much easier to keep up if everyone posts their information, thoughts and opinions in the same place. If this case should eventually warrant its own forum, it will also be easier to move posts if they are all in one place.


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