Remains found of 17 year-old Jonnie Moyer; missing, yet unreported for TWO YEARS ... [Archive]

JerseyGirl

05-23-2005, 10:24 PM

Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/22/2005 | Of trust, tryst and betrayal (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/11705766.htm)

Having spent his drift-along life in this Lancaster County (PA) village, Jonnie Moyer was hard to miss.

Six feet tall, with tangled blond braids and a happy-go-lucky grin, the 17-year-old dropout was a fixture on the quiet streets, playing Hacky Sack and smoking cigarettes outside the Turkey Hill store. When he was on the outs with his father, as he usually was, he slept by the Conestoga Creek or on the roof of the Methodist church.

In March 2003, Moyer vanished, and without a word.

Soon after, a revolting stench began wafting from the Main Street bungalow shared by two of his best friends, Felina Billetdeaux and Steva Hagelgans.

Neither development went unnoted in Brownstown, a square-mile speck of quaint homes, 900 residents, a traffic light, a diner and a rumor mill. Some people mentioned Moyer's disappearance to police. Some complained about the smell. Some suspected a connection.

Yet no missing-person report was filed, not even by his family. No investigation was launched. For two years, no one tried to find Jonnie Moyer...

PrayersForMaura

05-23-2005, 11:25 PM

wow, this story sounds unbelievable!! I want to read the link you posted but I don't want to subscribe... is there another place to read this story?

Thanks.
Poor Jonnie :(

JerseyGirl

05-23-2005, 11:26 PM

wow, this story sounds unbelievable!! I want to read the link you posted but I don't want to subscribe... is there another place to read this story?

Thanks.
Poor Jonnie :(Go to bugmenot.com, and copy and paste the URL of the newspaper page into the box. When you click submit, it will give you a username and a password to use to be able to read the article.

Rachael

05-23-2005, 11:32 PM

JerseyGirl

05-23-2005, 11:35 PM

I read this in the newspaper yesterday. How sad! His own family didn't even care that they hadn't heard from him in two years. Those girls were pretty damn sick to leave his body in their closet for 6 weeks.The whole thing is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in a very long time. And what's really tragic is that now that this story has broken, there is STILL virtually no news about it on the Internet! The poor kid seems like he had a terrible life, and no one paid him any positive attention. Now even in death, it seems that nobody thinks about him. :(

P.S. I posted this today after reading it in yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer.

PrayersForMaura

05-23-2005, 11:35 PM

Go to bugmenot.com, and copy and paste the URL of the newspaper page into the box. When you click submit, it will give you a username and a password to use to be able to read the article.
THAT url is awesome. bugmenot.com. Thanks a ton.
I'm off to read...

1986

05-23-2005, 11:36 PM

One visit by the police chief might have ended the two year mystery. One visit that showed concern for a boy he was familiar with and was being asked about. One visit from his busy day that starts with breakfast in a diner. I hope the good folks of this town see their chief through the eyes of Jonnie.

JerseyGirl

05-23-2005, 11:37 PM

THAT url is awesome. bugmenot.com. Thanks a ton.
I'm off to read...
You're welcome but I actually learned about it from Jeana. In any case, it's worked with every site I've tried, (dozens & dozens), with the exception of one. And when that happens, they give you the option to create one for the site.

JerseyGirl

05-23-2005, 11:39 PM

PrayersForMaura

05-23-2005, 11:48 PM

The whole thing is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in a very long time. And what's really tragic is that now that this story has broken, there is STILL virtually no news about it on the Internet! The poor kid seems like he had a terrible life, and no one paid him any positive attention. Now even in death, it seems that nobody thinks about him. :(

P.S. I posted this today after reading it in yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer.
That story is terrible! How could that girl do such a horrible thing?? Wow, what a messed up bunch of people. And very sad that no one cared enough to really look for Jonnie.

Rachael

05-24-2005, 12:32 AM

The whole thing is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in a very long time. And what's really tragic is that now that this story has broken, there is STILL virtually no news about it on the Internet! The poor kid seems like he had a terrible life, and no one paid him any positive attention. Now even in death, it seems that nobody thinks about him. :(

P.S. I posted this today after reading it in yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer.

I know it is very sad. The story in the Inquirer said his mother lived in a different town and his father basically kicked him out of the house. He had to sleep outside at times even on the roof of the local church. I guess they are not going to charge the one girl (the mother of his child) with anything even though she helped dispose of his body.

SewingDeb

05-24-2005, 01:09 AM

1986

05-24-2005, 01:10 AM

His father kicked him out at 17 yrs old. That guy needs to be charged with neglect and contributing to his death. Of course he probably won't. Seems no one in that town cared.

KatherineQ

05-24-2005, 02:26 AM

God help the motherless child. There is no help in this world, for a child without a mother. And his mother left him.

And then secondarily, sounds like he kept fleeing his father and stepmother's house. He was like a beach bum kind of guy, a free spirit.

Had that sicko woman not beaten him to death with baseball bat, he'd probably be running a surf shop or a hot dog cart somewhere now.

Sheromom

05-24-2005, 02:56 AM

His father kicked him out at 17 yrs old. That guy needs to be charged with neglect and contributing to his death. Of course he probably won't. Seems no one in that town cared.
Exactly! How can someone NOT love their child? It is beyond me to understand. No matter what my kids have done or how angry I have been at them, that love never left my heart for a second since their birth. Before their birth. I used to read to them before they were even born. I just don't get it.

sharon25

05-24-2005, 08:26 AM

I wonder how many "moyer"s there are in lancaster county?
the reason I ask is that my daughters father is a "moyer".
and they happen to live in lancaster county.
and his family is all messed up.
I am not close to them at all,
and don't really speak to her father.

this poor child, to go missing and have no
one report it.
:(
doesn't give a lot of hope to the
other unidentified bodies out there..

JerseyGirl

05-24-2005, 08:43 AM

I guess they are not going to charge the one girl (the mother of his child) with anything even though she helped dispose of his body.
I think that she should also be charged except then her little one is left with no parents. Not the way Jonnie's child should have to live considering what he had to live like. Did you see her picture - the little girl? She looks just like him.

1986

05-24-2005, 10:08 AM

Exactly! How can someone NOT love their child? It is beyond me to understand. No matter what my kids have done or how angry I have been at them, that love never left my heart for a second since their birth. Before their birth. I used to read to them before they were even born. I just don't get it.
I'm the same way. I sang and read to my babies before they were born. Their favorite stories are about how their Daddy and I planned and looked forward to their births. I even show them pics I have of different points in my pregnancies. They know that they was wanted and loved even before they were born. I can't imagine a person growing up knowing they are not wanted. It just breaks my heart. There was a family out that they would have loved to have raised this boy as their own. Why couldn't his parents have given him up instead of throwing him away? This is his parents' fault.

Rachael

05-24-2005, 10:33 AM

I think that she should also be charged except then her little one is left with no parents. Not the way Jonnie's child should have to live considering what he had to live like. Did you see her picture - the little girl? She looks just like him.

Yes she does and I agree with what you are saying. I just hope the child has a better life than Jonnie did. His parents were divorced/not together (not sure if they were ever married) and it just seems like nobody wanted him. Poor guy!

JerseyGirl

05-24-2005, 10:57 AM

I can't imagine a person growing up knowing they are not wanted. It just breaks my heart.
And I get the feeling that it was probably a life-long thing. This poor guy probably lived his whole life just hanging out wherever he was allowed. A tragedy from start to finish. :( I hope that his daughter will grow up to do amazing things.

KatherineQ

05-24-2005, 12:40 PM

Here's an interesting conversation, among his classmates and friends.

I sort of feel like I'm eavesdropping reading this, but I guess it IS on the web . . .

http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/lofiversion/index.php/t17830.html

JerseyGirl

05-24-2005, 12:52 PM

I sort of feel like I'm eavesdropping reading this, but I guess it IS on the web . . .

http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/lofiversion/index.php/t17830.html
Of course you're NOT eavesdropping! It appears to be a public message board where this information is. Thanks for the link ... I'm off to read the story now.

JerseyGirl

05-24-2005, 12:59 PM

KatherineQ, I had originally posted that you should jump in with your thoughts but after reading this link you posted, I wouldn't feel comfortable jumping in. But don't feel like you're eavesdropping; everyone there probably knows that their messages are able to be viewed publicly.

Thanks again for the link ... very interesting reading.

sharon25

05-24-2005, 03:17 PM

JerseyGirl

05-24-2005, 03:30 PM

Jeana (DP)

05-24-2005, 03:38 PM

I'm sorry . . . but I read this entry from the link:

I was friends with both the victim and the suspect. I can't begin to exlpain how I feel and what is going through my head. My sympathy goes to the family and friends of Jonnie, he was truely loved and cared for. He is in a better place now, it just hurts to know the way it happened. I dont understand how you can take another persons life and live with that for 2 years and not tell a soul. I love you Jonnie, RIP.

He was truely loved and cared for? BY WHOM???? Surely not his parents. I'm sure he had friends that loved him, but if mom and dad were anything but ridiculously absent parents, he may still be alive. He was a kid for Christ sake. What was he doing out there on his own?

JerseyGirl

05-24-2005, 03:49 PM

He was truely loved and cared for? BY WHOM???? Surely not his parents. I'm sure he had friends that loved him, but if mom and dad were anything but ridiculously absent parents, he may still be alive. He was a kid for Christ sake. What was he doing out there on his own?
I thought exactly the same thing. Did you notice the post shorty after that one that said that his father (and step-mother?) did love him but that he did whatever he wanted. Another post combined with that gave me the impression that he was a "troubled" kid. But the bottom line is that he was a kid; he was the responsibility of the parent(s). If you give your child rules & they don't follow them, then it's up to the parent to find a way to enforce them. To simply throw your hands up and move on is unacceptable.

LadyGraffix@mac.com

05-24-2005, 03:53 PM

He was a kid for Christ sake. What was he doing out there on his own?

While I don't know the people involved here, I wanted to say that its possible his parents had no control of where he was. I left home to be on my own at 17, just a month and a half into my senior year of high school. And there was nothing my parents could do about it. I don't know about PA, but here, while you are still considered a minor at 17, you can legally run away from home. My parents could have called me in as a runaway, but the police could not legally make me go back. (Ironically for me, the counselor that my parents were paying to see me gave me all the legal details of when and how I could do this about a year prior.)

Anyway, there is a message on that board from a girl claiming to have dated Jonnie that said he wouldn't go home. That his parents loved him very much . . . you never know, this could have been a case of "tough love" on their part.

JMO

Jeana (DP)

05-24-2005, 04:12 PM

LadyGraffix@mac.com

05-24-2005, 04:31 PM

You may be right; however, I did the "tough love" thing with my 19-year old son as well. If I didn't hear for him for two years, there would have been a missing persons report filed (in fact wayyyyyy before one year, much less two). The relationship with his folks must have been so broken that they didn't think there was anything wrong with them not hearing from him for so long. That seems very sad to me.

I can certainly understand and empathize with your opinion on this. I will only add that I didn't tell my parents where I was going and didn't talk to them for more than a year -- didn't even invite them to my high school graduation. I don't know if my mother ever reported me, though I suspect she did not, but I'm not sure the police could have or would have done anything about it.

Again, we're talking about a person with the legal right to walk away. Unless there is reason to suspect foul play, the police most likely would rather spend their time and resources in areas where they know a crime has been committed. ETA: I get the feeling that it was not at all unusual for him to not come home and not contact anyone . . . Given that he had told several people that he was going to Florida never to be seen again, I don't think its a stretch to believe his parents believed that's exactly what happened to him.

I just don't think we know enough about the situation to be able to condemn the parents. They may very well have done the best they knew how to do. I can think of a number of scenarios where they may not have been able to do anything to prevent what eventually happened to him. But now, if you wanna talk about where the police failed Jonnie . . . I could rant and rave on that all day long!!

Jeana (DP)

05-24-2005, 04:37 PM

I can certainly understand and empathize with your opinion on this. I will only add that I didn't tell my parents where I was going and didn't talk to them for more than a year -- didn't even invite them to my high school graduation. I don't know if my mother ever reported me, though I suspect she did not, but I'm not sure the police could have or would have done anything about it.

I don't want to get personal, all I'll say is that its not a normal thing.

LadyGraffix@mac.com

05-24-2005, 05:15 PM

I don't want to get personal, all I'll say is that its not a normal thing.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend or step on anyone's toes. I was just sharing my experience as an example of parents not having the kind of control over a "child" that others may think they should. While some may think of a 17 year-old as a child, the law views it a little differently.

My bet would be that there are areas of blame that fall on both sides.

Jeana (DP)

05-24-2005, 05:24 PM

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend or step on anyone's toes. I was just sharing my experience as an example of parents not having the kind of control over a "child" that others may think they should. While some may think of a 17 year-old as a child, the law views it a little differently.

My bet would be that there are areas of blame that fall on both sides.

Absolutely!

gatetrekker44

05-25-2005, 07:08 PM

to Lancaster County to get away from paying alimony and child support to my sister and her 4 kids by him. He was able for YEARS to work "under the table" so there was no "official" record of him having any income that could be tracked and garnisheed. My sister finally found him herself and served him with papers-and to this day he has NEVER PAID A DIME of the money the courts decreed he should pay. Gives you some idea of the dynamic of this place!

Bring Maura home!

Bobbisangel

05-26-2005, 01:06 AM

I thought exactly the same thing. Did you notice the post shorty after that one that said that his father (and step-mother?) did love him but that he did whatever he wanted. Another post combined with that gave me the impression that he was a "troubled" kid. But the bottom line is that he was a kid; he was the responsibility of the parent(s). If you give your child rules & they don't follow them, then it's up to the parent to find a way to enforce them. To simply throw your hands up and move on is unacceptable.

I don't know what type of a kid Jonnie was but there are kids...teens...that no matter what rules you have in your home the kid refuses to follow them.
This is not uncommon in this day and age. I know because I am raising one.
It's easy to say what a person would or should do but you really have to stand in the other person's shoes before you make a judgment. I know quite a few parents/grandparents that are raising teens today and it is not a easy thing to do. Some kids are just so strong willed that they are going to live their life the way they want regardless.

We don't know the family or what their lives were like. For all we know the dad could very well be a loving father and wanted the best for his son and Jonnie may have wanted to do things his way and it created problems. It's so easy to lay the blame on the parents but in reality it isn't always that the parents are bad parents. Reading what the young people on that thread had to say it sounds like we are reading a lot into a situation that may have not been at all like is being suggested.

Small towns often have lazy cops that do nothing but drive around and give a traffic ticket once in awhile. The cops usually don't have much training except to just be seen around town. How could he not go check out that smell? Sad that this young man lost his life at such a young age.

lisag

05-26-2005, 09:48 AM

Small towns often have lazy cops that do nothing but drive around and give a traffic ticket once in awhile. The cops usually don't have much training except to just be seen around town. How could he not go check out that smell? Sad that this young man lost his life at such a young age.

I beg to differ.... Working in LE, I know that even "small town" cops are required to have a certain amount of training per year, just as "big city" cops, to keep them certified, not including their college degree, be it an Associtates Degree or Bachelors. Small town cops can be very busy ~ just because you dont see everything they do, does not mean they are not doing it. Small town have their fair share of trouble.

As to why they did not check out the smell, I do not know... But I do not think it is fair or correct, to generaliz all "small town cops".

SoccerMom

05-27-2005, 09:01 AM

The whole thing is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in a very long time. And what's really tragic is that now that this story has broken, there is STILL virtually no news about it on the Internet!

That might be because you were reading the Philadelphia newspapers. The Lancaster newspapers have been full of this story. It's been front page news here since the story broke. They had an obituary for him in the newspaper soon after he was found, and it was so sad. I don't know why his parent(s?)/Dad didn't look for him, but according to the articles I've read in the Lancaster New Era and Intelligencer Journal, (www.lancasteronline.com)
he had friends who were concerned and looking. However, no one ever filed a missing persons report, so who knows.
I just wanted to let you know that people here haven't forgotten about him. We're disgusted by this. :(

SoccerMom

05-27-2005, 09:07 AM

[QUOTE=sharon25]I wonder how many "moyer"s there are in lancaster county?QUOTE]

I am checking my phone book for that answer. There are 242 Moyers listed in my white pages for Lancaster County.

SoccerMom

05-27-2005, 09:14 AM

Is there something in the water? The two stories are not just "common" murder but bizarre, teen-aged lover's triangles sorts of scenarios. I'm not familiar with Lancaster County other than the Pennsylvania Dutch & Amish populations being there. I'm not sure how intermingled "normal" society is. It's a beautiful yet strange place; I don't know what the dynamics are like there.

Sorry for all the posts on this today, but since I live here I can answer these. It's NOT a strange place. It's just a normal community that happens to have some strange crimes many years apart. The Laurie Show murder was in 91, I believe, and the girl/woman who killed her is STILL fighting to get out of prison. There is absolutely no evidence to back up her claims of sexual abuse by officers (especially since the main officer she accused was in Virginia on his honeymoon at the time and presented proof in court) and she's just grasping at straws.
There are still some unsolved cases here, such as the death of Christy Mirack, a teacher who was raped and killed in her home around the time that Laurie died. But it's not unsolved for lack of trying. And it isn't a high crime area where people are afraid to walk out of their homes.
Lancaster County is much more than Amish, Mennonite, and two cases of murder.

JerseyGirl

05-27-2005, 09:32 AM

I don't know what type of a kid Jonnie was but there are kids...teens...that no matter what rules you have in your home the kid refuses to follow them.
This is not uncommon in this day and age. I know because I am raising one.
It's easy to say what a person would or should do but you really have to stand in the other person's shoes before you make a judgment. I know quite a few parents/grandparents that are raising teens today and it is not a easy thing to do. Some kids are just so strong willed that they are going to live their life the way they want regardless.

We don't know the family or what their lives were like. For all we know the dad could very well be a loving father and wanted the best for his son and Jonnie may have wanted to do things his way and it created problems. It's so easy to lay the blame on the parents but in reality it isn't always that the parents are bad parents. Reading what the young people on that thread had to say it sounds like we are reading a lot into a situation that may have not been at all like is being suggested.Bobbisangel, I definitely see what you're saying, but I HAVE stood in their shoes. I spent the first eleven years of my life being repeatedly abused by my sibling...

I understand there are some kids that are bad kids. BUT, it is the parent's responsibility until that child is 18 years old to know where that child is. My parents finally got their acts together, and had to commit my sibling to an institution for the protection of myself and my younger siblings, (whom weren't hated as much as I was - maybe because they're a lot younger), as well as for the protection of the psycho that was responsible for all of this in the first place. They didn't want to do it but they had no other choice. My sibling was almost 14 when the decision was finally made.

If Jonnie WAS a bad kid, maybe his parents hadn't gotten to the point that my family finally had. Maybe they didn't have the same degree of trouble or warning signs. But the bottom line is still that he was 17 years old, and at the very least, a missing persons report should have been filed. Had my sibling disappeared, I probably would NOT have filed a missing persons report, (and might still not although I try to forgive & forget), but my parents would have and DID on many occassions. I don't see how it can be true that his parents were good parents, and that they loved him very much if this is the end result of his life & their relationships. Once in a great, great while you will find a person that seems bad by nature. Most often, however, these people are made. As much as my parents regret it, they came to realize that they created my sibling and the behavior problems by their earlier inaction. Yes, they loved my sibling very much but no - they were not good parents when it mattered, and that's how our crisis began in the first place. So maybe Jonnie's parents loved him very much. Or maybe they were good parents. But I suspect that they weren't both.

ETA: I am also raising a difficult teenager right now so I can totally sympathize with those that also are.

JerseyGirl

05-27-2005, 09:34 AM

That might be because you were reading the Philadelphia newspapers. The Lancaster newspapers have been full of this story. It's been front page news here since the story broke. They had an obituary for him in the newspaper soon after he was found, and it was so sad. I don't know why his parent(s?)/Dad didn't look for him, but according to the articles I've read in the Lancaster New Era and Intelligencer Journal, (www.lancasteronline.com (http://www.lancasteronline.com/))
he had friends who were concerned and looking. However, no one ever filed a missing persons report, so who knows.
I just wanted to let you know that people here haven't forgotten about him. We're disgusted by this. :(
I'm so glad that you guys are remembering him! What I meant by not finding any news on this is that it's not on television, it's not in the big newspapers, and there's virtually nothing online about him. But I am glad that at least locally, Jonnie is being remembered by family, friends, and community. He deserves that.

JerseyGirl

05-27-2005, 09:37 AM

Sorry for all the posts on this today, but since I live here I can answer these. It's NOT a strange place. It's just a normal community that happens to have some strange crimes many years apart. The Laurie Show murder was in 91, I believe, and the girl/woman who killed her is STILL fighting to get out of prison. There is absolutely no evidence to back up her claims of sexual abuse by officers (especially since the main officer she accused was in Virginia on his honeymoon at the time and presented proof in court) and she's just grasping at straws.
There are still some unsolved cases here, such as the death of Christy Mirack, a teacher who was raped and killed in her home around the time that Laurie died. But it's not unsolved for lack of trying. And it isn't a high crime area where people are afraid to walk out of their homes.
Lancaster County is much more than Amish, Mennonite, and two cases of murder.
Thank you for the insight into your community. It's very hard being from outside of the area to get the true feel of what it's really like to live there. And as you probably know, all we get to see are the things that make Lancaster unique, (which also tend to appear as odd to outsiders). So again, thank you for your personal insight! It's very appreciated. :)

SoccerMom

05-27-2005, 06:50 PM

Thank you for the insight into your community. It's very hard being from outside of the area to get the true feel of what it's really like to live there. And as you probably know, all we get to see are the things that make Lancaster unique, (which also tend to appear as odd to outsiders). So again, thank you for your personal insight! It's very appreciated. :)

Thanks. I was afraid that I had come across as being nasty when that wasn't my intent at all. I don't understand why this hasn't made national news, but unfortunately there seems to be too many (for the media) missing persons stories out right now. Some just get thrown aside.
This is a beautiful area, but sick people can live anywhere.
And I still cannot fathom a child being missing for 2 years without a police report. That poor kid.

JerseyGirl

05-27-2005, 07:11 PM

Thanks. I was afraid that I had come across as being nasty when that wasn't my intent at all.
No, you didn't seem nasty at all. :)

Sheromom

05-27-2005, 07:22 PM

Jersey Girl, How is your sibling today? Do you ever see him/her? I almost wonder if there was something medically wrong with him/her. I am so sorry you had to go through that.

JerseyGirl

05-27-2005, 07:37 PM

Jersey Girl, How is your sibling today? Do you ever see him/her? I almost wonder if there was something medically wrong with him/her. I am so sorry you had to go through that.The sibling is living "normal" life as an adult far away from where I am, thank God. I do not see sibling often - haven't now for about 10 years but I do get a call once in a while.

We've often heard speculation about a chemical imbalance, etc., and I suppose that it could be true. Yet when a person still behaves bizarrely as an adult without seeking help, I don't have much sympathy for them. I am a very happy, well-adjusted person now, (although my children don't have a ton of restrictions on them because I'm always mindful of just allowing them to be children as a result of my childhood), but I do sometimes feel as if this person stole my childhood, ya' know? But that was then, and this is now so I do TRY to forgive and forget. But if I'm being honest, I haven't done either of those things completely especially because of the effect that it had on my mother. She still cries about those times, and it kills me when she does because I can't change it for her.

Thank you for your kindness, Sheromom. They were very tough times, and when my sibling finally went away, I went through a period of guilt because I was happy about it. But after that guilt wore off, I was just plain happy. It felt like my life had started all over again. And honestly, stuff like that DOES make you stronger. That, and my immense love for and focus on my own children are the good things that have come out of a bad situation. :)

Thanks for asking, Sheromom, and I'm sorry to go O/T here. I just wanted to show that even with my family's situation, when it got to the point that my family didn't know where my sibling was, they did the only thing left to do to keep tabs on the whereabouts. Sometimes you've gotta' do what you've gotta' do.

ETA: I went back and edited the section with the personal experiences for reasons of anonymity, mainly for that sibling, believe it or not. So if you notice things missing, you're not crazy!! :)

monkalup

05-27-2005, 10:40 PM

The sibling is living "normal" life as an adult far away from where I am, thank God. I do not see sibling often - haven't now for about 10 years but I do get a call once in a while.

We've often heard speculation about a chemical imbalance, etc., and I suppose that it could be true. Yet when a person still behaves bizarrely as an adult without seeking help, I don't have much sympathy for them. I am a very happy, well-adjusted person now, (although my children don't have a ton of restrictions on them because I'm always mindful of just allowing them to be children as a result of my childhood), but I do sometimes feel as if this person stole my childhood, ya' know? But that was then, and this is now so I do TRY to forgive and forget. But if I'm being honest, I haven't done either of those things completely especially because of the effect that it had on my mother. She still cries about those times, and it kills me when she does because I can't change it for her.

Thank you for your kindness, Sheromom. They were very tough times, and when my sibling finally went away, I went through a period of guilt because I was happy about it. But after that guilt wore off, I was just plain happy. It felt like my life had started all over again. And honestly, stuff like that DOES make you stronger. That, and my immense love for and focus on my own children are the good things that have come out of a bad situation. :)

Thanks for asking, Sheromom, and I'm sorry to go O/T here. I just wanted to show that even with my family's situation, when it got to the point that my family didn't know where my sibling was, they did the only thing left to do to keep tabs on the whereabouts. Sometimes you've gotta' do what you've gotta' do.

ETA: I went back and edited the section with the personal experiences for reasons of anonymity, mainly for that sibling, believe it or not. So if you notice things missing, you're not crazy!! :)

I have a dozen siblings. How blessed I have been. (of course, I am the eldest so it would have been harder to pick on me!)
I just want to give you a hug ((((HUGS)))) Your children are lucky to have you!

JerseyGirl

05-29-2005, 10:10 PM

I have a dozen siblings. How blessed I have been. (of course, I am the eldest so it would have been harder to pick on me!)
I just want to give you a hug ((((HUGS)))) Your children are lucky to have you!Oh, thank you so much, monkalup!!! I really appreciate that!

Let me just say that I am a female, (probably pretty obvious by my nickname! :) ), and the sibling that I'm referring to is my only sister. My other siblings are brothers, and they are much younger than me. So my brothers are very close to each other but I was always like the big sister so we didn't bond in the same way as they bonded with each other. It does get lonely sometimes, especially when I see friends with their sisters or when I see my brothers together, caring for each other the way same gender siblings should. Sometimes when I see them together, or hear of them getting together to watch the Eagles games, I kind of feel like an only child! I'm mostly okay with it but sometimes it does make me pretty sad. So I want you to know that I really, really do appreciate those hugs!!! :blowkiss:

sharon25

05-30-2005, 12:22 AM

[QUOTE=sharon25]I wonder how many "moyer"s there are in lancaster county?QUOTE]

I am checking my phone book for that answer. There are 242 Moyers listed in my white pages for Lancaster County.

wow,

I didn't realize there were that many.
although the one family reunion that I went
to a few years was very very big.

not that big though!

Thank you for looking

Dree

11-14-2005, 11:24 PM

docwho3

11-17-2005, 02:53 AM

I found this article interesting but actually I found the comments posted below most interesting and so I post the address for you all to look over.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/13472

julie4417

12-23-2005, 03:35 PM

mysteriew

12-25-2005, 08:09 PM

I'm wicked intrigued by this heart-breaking story - however I can not find a full article on it anywhere, I keep just getting the beginning, as newspapers don't have the full article as too much time has passed. Any advice anyone?

I'm dying to know if there was a trial, how he was murdered, etc.

Welcome to WS Julie!
Most of the articles are old, and if they are only showing the beginning of the article, then probably it is in a paid archive.
Things to try:
Click on archive of the media's website. Do a search for the name. They will tel you if it is a paid archive.
Paste the headline of the article into google, sometimes they will get you directly into the article. Also, many times articles are reprinted in another paper, and they might not have a paid archive.
Pay archives are most usually in the print media, try doing a search of the TV sebsites.

weekender

12-27-2005, 03:06 PM

I found this page done in his memory:

http://www.jonniemoyer.zoomshare.com/

It has some pictures of him in the album.

Also links to this one. It has more details and a more recent picture. Very interesting info from one of his peers.

weekender

12-27-2005, 03:09 PM

oops, forgot the second link.

http://www.geocities.com/howgosit69/

steph

12-28-2005, 05:43 AM

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/13530

Not sure if this has been posted yet...it's a conversation between several of Jonnie's friends, as well as one of the girls who helped to bury his body- she is also the mother of his child.

A lot of profanity and blame, and not a lot about Jonnie's memory...

I still don't know if there was ever a trial- has anyone heard?

JerseyGirl

12-28-2005, 03:37 PM

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/13530Great links Steph & weekender. It's unbelievably sad reading at the forum above. You can see the grief and the anger. It's like a first-hand look inside the dynamics of people that have been shattered by such a tragedy. Chilling and beyond sad. One of the posts:

geeg420
05-23-2005

This is not even trying to be a soap opera here people. A life has been taken, We just want Jonnie to rest in peace, and have this whole thing come to a close. We cannot help the fact that this has become a media circus. It is very hard and disturbing on these families. Have a little respect and sympathy. In case you haven't figured it out, The so called helper, who buried the body is signing onto this forum as xpose. Again, I will Say a human has lost their life. I am not seeing this as a play, or some csi case. the fact of the matter, is that family knows what the deal is, we just want the truth to be told, for jonnie's sake. If felina did it then she should pay. This is for real people, let's not sit back and pretend, that this isn't horrifying to the people involved. Maidentg, I am not so sure that sheena has anything bad to do with this. Supposedly it was steva who had written to felina in jail. Well I got things to do see ya later. RIP JONNIE

I'm glad to see that people are talking about it. It seems like such a sad and convoluted story. Hopefully justice will be had for this boy and his young daughter.

As for a trial, I haven't heard anything one way or the other. I've read some things that have led me to believe that there hasn't been a trial yet but I really don't know.

JerseyGirl

12-28-2005, 03:39 PM

Another post from steph's link:

Trainwreck
05-23-2005

I am so discusted with all of this. I can barely make it on my own two feet everyday since I found out only some of what happened. My mind goes crazy not knowing the truth. I will never understand how anybody that I know and is a part of my life, whom I love is even able to wake up in the morning. Both of you for two years , this part we know is a fact, lied and used us all. We may have not known at the time, but for a fact we know how you LIVED with yourselves, lived with others and all along the two of you kept that inside. Just with what I know and feel, I can barely stand up and go on with my "normal" routine of things. Since the day I found out I am sickened. I honestly don't know how if me just being in the state of mind I have been in since finding out, How could the BOTH of you wake everyday, how does someone keep that inside? What kind of person wouldn't go to the authorities immediatly after realizing what they have done? Not either one of you stepped up. Jonnie was not only a friend, but you knew he was you baby's father. How does one live so freely, like nothing has ever happened. It also makes me ill to think that whatever made this come out now(2yrs later), what if another 2 or 3 years went by? Were you both just gonna pretend like it never happened? You both should have been taken care of by the law 2 yrs ago. What are you thinking! I still don't know how a person who has people who cares and loves for them, can live with such a burden of a secret. I finally understand why both of you and your sick relationship exsist now. All that time I just thought you two were young and dumb girls. When really the tie that BOUNDED you together is your sick, sad secret. To think you subjected Jaden to that.... BOTH of you! Although you may not realize it do you know not only is a Father, Brother, Nefew, Friend, and more gone but soon you have both taken away a Mother, a Daughter, an Aunt, Cousin, Sister, another friend and more. How can you two swallow. How? because just knowing what I do know has broken me, it has changed me. How does one live with that. Do you know how many people you Both hurt? How do you live? What kind of person?

JerseyGirl

12-28-2005, 11:11 PM

According to a post on that forum by someone closely involved in the story, the trial was supposed to start on June 29th. But I've yet to find anything about it.

JerseyGirl

12-28-2005, 11:13 PM

i agree, this is the strangest case that i have heard of for a long time. How could anyone go undetected by their family and friends for two years??? i know that if i dont talk weekly, my family and friends get worried!What I find most unbelievable is that the one girl claims to not have known that his body was in her closet for 2 months. From what I've read in the past, the smell of a decaying corpse is unbearable and unmistakable. Yet this body was in her closet (with no doors) for 2 months and she never knew? I'm finding that very hard to believe.

JerseyGirl

12-28-2005, 11:16 PM

6abc.com: Woman Charged in Boy's Bludgeoning (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=3104725)

Garrett set a trial date for June 29th.

JerseyGirl

12-28-2005, 11:18 PM

A later thread by the same players - this begins around mid-June:

Lancaster Online.com: News : Woman faces trial in Brownstown murder (http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/14631)

JerseyGirl

12-29-2005, 12:18 AM

The last post I've seen was dated November 7, 2005 and as of that date, the trial had not yet occured.

An interesting note: apparently there was a rumor that one of the girls involved, Steva, is pregnant again. She is the one that had the baby with Jonnie, and the one who allegedly helped to move the body from the closet to the hole in the yard two months after the murder. Here's the post:

Lancaster Online.com: News : Woman faces trial in Brownstown murder (http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/14631)

geeg420
10-11-2005

... Oh and one more thing, I hope and pray to God, that if that posting on jonnie's website is true, about Steva being pregnant again. I will vomit, to think she is so vile and ignorant, out having a good ol' time. Oh I just want her to rot in hell. She couldn't even take care of her first child, and now the nerve to be careless and bring another life into her CRAZY WORLD. People like that should just have their uterus removed. Sorry but I am DISGUSTED.