View Full Version : Murder Victims: Brenda & Slade Groene and Mark McKenzie
I am not sure if this is okay to name a thread, but I guess someone will let me know if it isn't. I was hesitant to put the words because I am sure some people don't feel they are 'victims'. But, I do. No one deserves to die like that! No matter what they did, they didn't deserve that!
I have more to say but am going to see if this thread title is appropriate, first. Please advise me, mods.
chicoliving
05-24-2005, 07:21 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the title. Have the title reflect the thread and keep it within TOS and all should be fine. :)
I don't see anything wrong with the title. Have the title reflect the thread and keep it within TOS and all should be fine. :)
Thank you, Chicoliving! :) I appreciate that!
I've read some posts, in which people have posed the suggestion or the possibility that Slade may have been involved in illegal drug activity. I myself may have even posed a scenario, of that nature, and I apologize for it, if I did.
I realize this is a sleuthing forum and that is 'the nature of the beast'. Hopefully we can bare in mind this was a real child, who has real friends and family who love and care about him. And, he is no longer around to defend himself.
The preliminary coroner's report on the Urinary Analysis, said there were no illicit drugs in Slade's system.
I have no proof, but in my heart of hearts, I really don't believe Slade was involved in anything like that. From everything that I've read so far, Slade was a remarkable young man, whom I wish I'd had the pleasure of knowing, during his much too short lifetime.
RIP, dear young man, Slade Vincent Groene! :angel:
concernedperson
05-24-2005, 08:15 PM
Something is not right with this whole case. Blaming this one and that does no good when two children are still missing. The sheriff is not forthcoming and the facts are being obscured. If one has the facts then you can act...until such time this is a fishing expedition.
Nothing is very hopeful at this juncture.
I've read that a service will be held tomorrow for the mom and son. I sure wish the kids could be found before then. It doesn't seem right to bury family members while still searching for others. What is this world coming to?
I also read that the BF will have a private serivce on Thursday. Has anything been heard of from his family?
A couple of things that Jesse had to say about his mother:
The last time Jesse Groene talked to his mom, she had just taken in a stray dog found near their Wolf Lodge Bay home because she couldn't stand to see it lonely, cold and hungry.
Brenda Groene was that way with everyone, her son said.
Source:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XmINia4r4JkJ:www.spokesmanreview.co m/idaho/story.asp%3FID%3D70405+groene+family&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
One of Brenda's neighbors drove by the Groene house on the Saturday before she died. He said she and the kids were outside and she was planting a tree and as usual, they all waved. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but that doesn't sound like someone who's strung out on drugs to me.
From the same article, even though other relatives declined to comment, Jesse Jesse Groene was happy to talk about his siblings.
Slade Groene was on the honor roll at Lakes Middle School and liked music, playing the violin, guitar and drums. Jesse Groene said he taught both Slade and Dylan to play guitar.
Slade had lots of friends and liked his Spanish class, Jesse Groene said.
Corina Tosh is Jesse's fiance.
Tosh said Slade was the quiet one in the Groene family and that he liked to hunt, fish and hike.
I can definitely see where Slade may have tried to protect his mother and 'step-father', as he referred to Mark. The thought of that is almost unbearable.
So as to not violate copyright infringement laws, most of this is from the same article quoted above in my previous post, but is in my words.
Mark McKenzie, owned the house that he, Brenda and the kids lived in. He had been dating Brenda for approximately 6 years, since sometime after she separated from her husband, Steve. According to Jesse, Mark had been a longtime family friend, and was friends with Steve and Brenda when they were married. Mark was good friends with Brenda's father, Post Falls resident Doug Matthews.
Even though his mother and Mark were not married, Jesse considered Mark McKenzie as his step-father.
Some things about Mark McKenzie, from the article above:
He (Jesse) said McKenzie treated his mother and siblings well and was the main source of income for the family.
McKenzie's father, Ralph McKenzie of nearby Kingston, Idaho, said his son had worked for
Spokane Stainless Products for about 15 years and was promoted to management.
Ralph McKenzie said his son loved to hunt ? anything in season ? and that they often set up camp near the North Fork of the Coeur d'Alene River.
Mark McKenzie was teaching Slade Groene to hunt and planned to take Dylan when he got older.
"He was a typical guy," Ralph McKenzie said of his son.
There is a private memorial service planned for Mark McKenzie on Thursday, May 26, 2005.
Rest in peace, Mark McKenzie.
On Wednesday, May 25th at 3:00 p.m. there will be a double funeral service for Brenda Kay Matthews Groene, and her son, Slade Vincent Groene.
Funeral services will be held at:
Real Life Ministries
1866 Cecil Road
Post Falls, Idaho
May they rest in peace.
kahskye
05-25-2005, 08:21 AM
Mark McKenzie, owned the house that he, Brenda and the kids lived in. He had been dating Brenda for approximately 6 years, since sometime after she separated from her husband, Steve. According to Jesse, Mark had been a longtime family friend, and was friends with Steve and Brenda when they were married. Mark was good friends with Brenda's father, Post Falls resident Doug Matthews.
Even though his mother and Mark were not married, Jesse considered Mark McKenzie as his step-father.
Didn't I read somewhere that Mark and Brenda were cousins? Are we talking first, second or distant cousins? I personally can't see dating my cousin.
Just my opinion . . .
Camper
05-25-2005, 08:54 AM
Grotesque, unbelievable! I have seen Steve on TV a number of times, am still trying to string things together in my head about the entire case. He looks like a criminal in most folks books, but, but, as sleuthers of long standing, HOW someone looks is not the measure of reality.
His words speak of truth, and my heart hurts for this entire family. Does anyone know of a picture of Jesse, perhaps we will see him today at the funeral. I am wondering about the kids that he ran with, that perhaps his group of 'friends' had something to do with this.
Poor dear soul Slade, what a loss. Certain that he gave his all to try and protect the family.
It is said that Mckenzie was in management, could it be that someone jealous of his standing in the company/promotion could be behind this as well. It certainly creates a new job opening for SOMEONE at that company.
Law enforcement certainly has its hands full. The fact that the FBI is SOOO into this case gives me hope that the children will be found and the perpetrators as well. I am wondering IF IF IF the FBI follows ALL of the known facts and will be totally involved in the entire matter, since obviously the children were taken as a PART of the murders of the family also.
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Pharlap
05-25-2005, 09:48 AM
The 64,000.00 questions: Who and why were the children taken?:waitasec:
Julie
05-25-2005, 02:34 PM
Didn't I read somewhere that Mark and Brenda were cousins? Are we talking first, second or distant cousins? I personally can't see dating my cousin.
Just my opinion . . .
I read that too, but it doesn't say. I personally think that they are first cousins, because if it was anything different, they would say second cousins or whatever. jmho
EEEWWWWWW!!!
MistyGirl
05-25-2005, 02:39 PM
I read that too, but it doesn't say. I personally think that they are first cousins, because if it was anything different, they would say second cousins or whatever. jmho
EEEWWWWWW!!!
Does anyone have the link to where they read that they were cousins...I have not been able to find it! Thanks
Camper
05-25-2005, 03:22 PM
The 64,000.00 questions: Who and why were the children taken?:waitasec:
----------->>>In my view there are a few possible answers to that BIG question.
1. Someone close to the family did not approve of the drug activity and removed the children for safety.
2. The 'killers' took the children for sexual abuse and possible murder.
IF IF IF it was number 1. why kill the mother and McKenzie, (I am sorry now that I am posting I don't remember IF IF the mom was just living with McKenzie or if they were married) I believe the young Slade was killed trying to protect his mom. Someone who was tired of providing child support for his ex to purchase drugs. Lots of unknown things here.
IF IF IF it was number 2. why would they even come to the house and kill the family, were they hired killers, to kill AND remove the small children, OR what.
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IndyGal
05-25-2005, 04:32 PM
Does anyone have the link to where they read that they were cousins...I have not been able to find it! Thanks
It's post #9 under the media thread.
Does anyone have the link to where they read that they were cousins...I have not been able to find it! Thanks
McKenzie's father, Mark McKenzie of nearby Kingston, said the dead man and Brenda Groene were cousins, but it was not clear whether they were first cousins, the newspaper reported.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/topstories/stories/ktvbn-may1905-north_idaho_missing.28d788730.html
I also read in another article, which I cannot find now, that Brenda and Mark lived in the same town in Montana when they were kids.
McKenzie's father, Mark McKenzie of nearby Kingston, said the dead man and Brenda Groene were cousins, but it was not clear whether they were first cousins, the newspaper reported.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/topstories/stories/ktvbn-may1905-north_idaho_missing.28d788730.html
I also read in another article, which I cannot find now, that Brenda and Mark lived in the same town in Montana when they were kids.
Okay, that adds a whole new sick twist to the story.
According to an article I just found, there was a private memorial for Brenda Kay Groene, 40, and her son, Slade Vincent Groene, 13, at noon today.
Presently, the public memorial is being held, which began at 3 p.m. PDT.
:blowkiss: May the angels of Brenda and Slade be over the shoulders of little Shasta and Dylan and help return them safely back home! :angel:
Has anyone seen or heard anything from Brenda's mother?
News @ 5pm PDT, announced that the "Celebration of Life" services, for Brenda and Slade had just come to a conclusion, at Real Life Ministries in Post Falls.
Videos were played on two different screens.
It was noted that Slade loved hunting, playstation, and rap music. Brenda loved gardening and poetry.
The only one that spoke was Jesse, who had read a poem he had written for his mother. He said his mother was the only woman he had even trusted.
There may be some video footage available on KREM, KXLY or KHQ.
Link to story about today's memorial, including pic of Jesse and his fiance Corina Tosh,
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7984259/
Shadow205
05-27-2005, 11:26 AM
I am glad that they allowed Jesse to attend the memorial service.
JerseyGirl
05-27-2005, 03:50 PM
I am glad that they allowed Jesse to attend the memorial service.I was just thinking the exact same thing. He seems to love his family very much.
Slade Vincent Groene, 13, Coeur d'Alene, was born March 29, 1992, in Coeur d'Alene, where he was raised by his father Steve V. and Brenda (Matthews) Groene.
Slade was a student at Lakes Middle School in Coeur d'Alene. He enjoyed hunting, Play Station 2 and any video games, riding dirt bikes and four-wheelers, and listening to rap music.
http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/05/24/obituaries/obit01.txt
Brenda "Bones" Kay Groene, 40, Coeur d'Alene, was born in Coeur d'Alene on March 31, 1965, to Darlene (McDaniel) Torres and Douglas K. Matthews.
She was raised in Coeur d'Alene, where she worked as a waitress at Chinese Gardens. "Bones" also owned and operated a business called Maid to Order. She was married to and later divorced from Steve Vincent Groene.
http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/05/24/obituaries/obit02.txt
Just found this article from Friday, 5/27/05, which has a lot of new information (to me at least) about Mark and his family.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:08Q4YJZU2R0J:www.spokesmanreview.co m/idaho/story.asp%3FID%3D71643+Obituaries+%3D+Mark+McKenzi e&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Steve McKenzie said) "The media has pounded on the rampant drug use out there. It wasn't true." >>>snip>>>
Mark McKenzie was a get-up-and-go-to-work kind of guy, according to Steve McKenzie and another brother, Jimmy. >>snip>>>
"The idea of him being under the influence, being strung out, certainly would not have gone unnoticed," (at his job) Steve McKenzie said.
>>>snip>>> "It's the only job I remember him having," said Jimmy McKenzie. >>>snip>>>
Mark McKenzie was the bread-winner of his blended family, and his brothers said he wanted Groene to be able to stay home, to be with the kids before and after school.
McKenzie cared for Groene's children as his own, and enjoyed catching crawfish with them and teaching Slade how to track elk and deer in the nearby forests, the brothers said. >>>snip>>>
"He wasn't happy if he wasn't outside all the time," Francis said. >>>snip>>>
By happenstance, Mark McKenzie talked with his father the week before the homicides, about his father's last wishes. Mark also shared his own wishes, and the family now is carrying them out. He wanted to be cremated, his ashes spread in the woods, and his loved ones to have a wake. >>> snipped to end
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Lengthy article and there is much more to read there. I edited and pared the snippets down so as not to violate copyright laws. I am going to post some additional snippets relevant to the crime scene thread there.
I was just browsing the guest books for Slade and Brenda, at the English Funeral Chapel's website.
Considering that between five and six hundred people were reportedly at their memorial service, those guest books have the fewest amount of entries that I think I have ever seen! It's pitiful. :(
Is this an indication that Brenda and Slade's friends and family are so intimidated by their murders, or by the murderers themselves; that they are too scared to leave comments in their loved one's online guest books?
Here is a link to the guest books:
http://www.englishfuneralchapel.com/English/Current_Services.htm
I would encourage anyone, who would be so kind, to please leave a comment Brenda and Slade, in their respective guest books. You don't have to leave your personal information.
Does anyone have any idea what that "Brue Crue" tattoo, that Mark and one of this friends have, alludes to? Is it about Motley Crew, possibly?
I found this link about homebrewers, and they just all happen to be in IDaho:
http://brewery.org/infobase/club/us_ID.html
I know, it's probably a silly thought. :crazy:
At this point, I'm grasping for info. lol!
Gracelin
06-02-2005, 12:33 AM
Does anyone have any idea what that "Brue Crue" tattoo, that Mark and one of this friends have, alludes to? Is it about Motley Crew, possibly?
I found this link about homebrewers, and they just all happen to be in IDaho:
http://brewery.org/infobase/club/us_ID.html
I know, it's probably a silly thought. :crazy:
At this point, I'm grasping for info. lol!
I would think it is about beer...
Just something that stems from his younger years it's a drinking buddy thing...
Brenda "Bones" Kay Groene, 40, Coeur d'Alene, was born in Coeur d'Alene on March 31, 1965, to Darlene (McDaniel) Torres and Douglas K. Matthews.
I'm glad you posted this, Rle, because I thought I heard the newscaster call the lady I saw on Krem tonight, "Arlene", but it was undoubtedly "Darlene".
Did anyone else catch Krem news @ 11? Brenda's mom was on there but I missed the very beginning.
All I caught was the newscaster saying that hearing the children had been spotted gave her (Darlene) hope. Then Darlene said how they were hopping up and down in the living room saying, "oh boy, yay yay yay!". Then, how it was 'a downer' when they learned it was not them, and they would all start crying.
Darlene had an older photo album and was pointing to pictures of the children. There was one of 'Kashia' and Jesse, and another one of 'Kashia' and Slade. The reason I know this, is that I recordedd it and I would not have caught the "Kashia" name, had I not taped it. The names are written out alongside their pictures in the photo album. Shasta or Kashia looked to be about 3 or 4 years old in the pic, and Slade looked 9 or 10. Jesse looked maybe 15 or 16. This new name for Shasta definitely has me scratching my head. :confused:
At the end of the segment, it was reported that, Steve was living with her at the time of the murders, and that Darlene remembers him coming in very late that night!
Yes! That was 'was', in the past tense! :eek: What in the world is going on???
I hope somebody else here saw this so they can fill us in on what I missed. Maybe the video will be up at KREM.com tomorrow.
I always miss the best video footage! :banghead:
close_enough
06-02-2005, 04:30 PM
I'm glad you posted this, Rle, because I thought I heard the newscaster call the lady I saw on Krem tonight, "Arlene", but it was undoubtedly "Darlene".
Did anyone else catch Krem news @ 11? Brenda's mom was on there but I missed the very beginning.
All I caught was the newscaster saying that hearing the children had been spotted gave her (Darlene) hope. Then Darlene said how they were hopping up and down in the living room saying, "oh boy, yay yay yay!". Then, how it was 'a downer' when they learned it was not them, and they would all start crying.
Darlene had an older photo album and was pointing to pictures of the children. There was one of 'Kashia' and Jesse, and another one of 'Kashia' and Slade. The reason I know this, is that I recordedd it and I would not have caught the "Kashia" name, had I not taped it. The names are written out alongside their pictures in the photo album. Shasta or Kashia looked to be about 3 or 4 years old in the pic, and Slade looked 9 or 10. Jesse looked maybe 15 or 16. This new name for Shasta definitely has me scratching my head. :confused:
At the end of the segment, it was reported that, Steve was living with her at the time of the murders, and that Darlene remembers him coming in very late that night!
Yes! That was 'was', in the past tense! :eek: What in the world is going on???
I hope somebody else here saw this so they can fill us in on what I missed. Maybe the video will be up at KREM.com tomorrow.
I always miss the best video footage! :banghead:
so Brenda's mama remembers that Steve came in very late that night?....i hadn't heard this before....i thought he had just hung around the house & watched TV...hmmm
i know lots of people were suspicious about Mark Lunsford being away from the home, the night Jessica was abducted...he was at his girlfriends house, & it was verified by her...he passed a polygraph....even though i don't really think Steve had anything to do with this, it does seem odd that he has no alibi, to speak of....if he came in late, then where was he??....oh well, i'm sure LE has verified all of that, anyway...they say he's not a suspect.....
close_enough
06-02-2005, 04:41 PM
btw, i just watched the video from yesterday, on KREM...it showed the kind of white zip ties that were used....for some reason i didn't have it in my mind that they were that large/long....
this whole thing is just awful :(
dannyodie
06-05-2005, 03:33 PM
btw, i just watched the video from yesterday, on KREM...it showed the kind of white zip ties that were used....for some reason i didn't have it in my mind that they were that large/long....
this whole thing is just awful :(
I made a post sometime back concerning the different types of zip ties. I am pretty knoweledgable on all of these different types for I work in construction and have seen and used the types that you saw in the video. those are the most common used amoung air condition installers to use to tighten duct work to units. if steve is in construction, it would be very easy to steal these from other craft at a project site. if the fbi has those in there evidence room, they should do a test on them to determine the exact component of there chemical construction, some of these ties have lot numbers on them and could be traced to a particular supplier or at least a particular dealer that would commonly order that type. I have a feeling that the killers are someone known to the family or someone they would have been able to identify. what type of work was lutner known to do? someone that was planning to use zip ties would most likely not buy the largest ones, but would buy smaller ones that could be looped together to form a handcuff type restraint, the larger ones indicate to me that someone stole them while at a project site. law inforcement should be tracking down potential projects that steve might have worked on, maybe the killer or killers also worked at the same project sites? I doubt the killer went out and bought these items, if so a whole bag of them would have been purchased. the ties are certainly a very good piece of evidence. electrical workers would use the same type but for residential work it is uncommon to need the large long ties of this type.
CaliKid
06-06-2005, 02:20 AM
Here in southern California we have a lot of problems with thieves hitting construction sites and making off with materials. It has become an epidemic which is raising the cost of homes beyond their already-astronomical pricies.
Excerpt from
Slade Groene was 13, like Cooper Jones (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:08_eA3irWPoJ:www.spokesmanreview.co m/local/story.asp%3FID%3D72605+Inland+Northwest+%2B+Cooper +Jones+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
"My column vow to write about every child who dies in our community through violence, abuse or neglect led me to angry thoughts that Slade's legacy will be forever tainted. He'll be remembered as the son who died violently, alongside his mother and his mother's boyfriend. He'll be remembered as the younger brother of an older sibling who was languishing in jail when the killings happened. And Slade will be remembered as the brother of two younger siblings who are still missing and could end up dead or lost forever.
Slade's death reminded me once again that children have zero choice when it comes to choosing their parents." >>> more at link
Tom'sGirl
07-01-2005, 02:30 AM
Excerpt from
Slade Groene was 13, like Cooper Jones (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:08_eA3irWPoJ:www.spokesmanreview.co m/local/story.asp%3FID%3D72605+Inland+Northwest+%2B+Cooper +Jones+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
"My column vow to write about every child who dies in our community through violence, abuse or neglect led me to angry thoughts that Slade's legacy will be forever tainted. He'll be remembered as the son who died violently, alongside his mother and his mother's boyfriend. He'll be remembered as the younger brother of an older sibling who was languishing in jail when the killings happened. And Slade will be remembered as the brother of two younger siblings who are still missing and could end up dead or lost forever.
Slade's death reminded me once again that children have zero choice when it comes to choosing their parents." >>> more at link
"Slade's death reminded me once again that children have zero choice when it comes to choosing their parents."
How very true, and how very sad!
How very true, and how very sad!
Here's another excerpt, a little more uplifting:
"Perhaps there will be people who will fashion scrapbooks to Slade's memory, dedicate yearbooks to him, plant trees in his honor, name their baby boys after him. Slade was 13, just like Cooper, a boy on the cusp of becoming who he was meant to be, just like Cooper.
And because of this, Slade will not be forgotten by Martha and David, or by other parents who have lost children, who understand how the heart is wrenched from a family, a community, an entire world, when a 13-year-old boy dies among us."
At least we know a tree has been planted in Slade's memory. It is very saddening to lose a 13 year old, as we will never know what or whom he may have grown up to be!
KXLY reported on 6pm news that murder charges against the scum-sucking maggot, JED III, are expected to be filed tomorrow, Tues. 7/12/05.
More horrific details of the murders are beginning to emerge.
It's thought that JED had walked from the the jeep, where he'd left it ¼ mile away, to the Groene home.
Slade was beaten the worst. Investigators feel he may've actively resisted and fought with his executioner. (Bless you, warrior angel, Slade Vincent!)
The alleged murder weapon has been identified as a framing hammer (one side that looks like a meat tenderizing utensil that I have). Looks like a particularly gruesome weapon of choice, imo. :(
Investigators apparently are saying scum-bucket, JED, did use zip ties and duct tape in restraining his victims and to prevent them from yelling. It's reported that he lined all of his victims up, in head to toe fashion, one after the other, after they were murdered.
The sheets off of Dylan's bed were missing, and they reportedly think that those were used to cover the children up with.
JED took the white pickup truck from the property (which incidently, I heard the other day was reported to LE by Bob Hollingsworth on SUNDAY, the day before the bodies were discovered!); and drove a short distance to where he had his jeep parked. After transferring the children, he dumped the pickup, and drove away in the rental Jeep Cherokee with the kids (using the sheet to conceal them).
I wish LE would just let him free in Kootenai County, and I'd pay to attend that event! And, even more if I could partake in seeing justice done. :mad:
Edited to correct my huge mistake -- Slade was the person who received the worst bludgeoning. I'm so very sorry ... this case has really touched me on too personal a level. :(
2nd editing as to the positioning of the bodies, made after my 11 pm news.
11 pm news update:
I missed this earlier, if they reported it.
LE feels that Slade briefly escaped from JED, and that is the reason that Slade's blood was found throughout the house. Also reported that that is why they believe he sustained the worst injuries.
By midday, 7/12, enough facts are expected to be laid before the judge there is probable cause to charge that POS, JED III, with the premeditated, 1st degree murders of Brenda & Slade Groene and Mark McKenzie.
*Please note* a couple corrections were made to my earlier post above.
Tom'sGirl
07-12-2005, 03:14 AM
11 pm news update:
I missed this earlier, if they reported it.
LE feels that Slade briefly escaped from JED, and that is the reason that Slade's blood was found throughout the house. Also reported that that is why they believe he sustained the worst injuries.
By midday, 7/12, enough facts are expected to be laid before the judge to charge that POS, JED III, with the premeditated murders of Brenda & Slade Groene and Mark McKenzie.
*Please note* a couple corrections were made to my earlier post above.
Thanks for the update Liz, hadn't heard that out here on our local L.A. stations.
I read the link that wonderful Chico provided over at Heads up on Nancy Grace regarding Dylan Midnight 7/12 ......have you read it?
Thanks for the update Liz, hadn't heard that out here on our local L.A. stations.
I read the link that wonderful Chico provided over at Heads up on Nancy Grace regarding Dylan Midnight 7/12 ......have you read it?
No TG, I haven't. But I'll check it out! Thanks for letting me know! :)
Eta: Forgot to say, you're welcome for the update!
Tom'sGirl
07-12-2005, 03:50 AM
No TG, I haven't. But I'll check it out! Thanks for letting me know! :)It's the least I can do since you keep me updated :)
CaliKid
07-12-2005, 04:45 AM
Liz, that fills in a lot of blanks. We just moved into a new house and don't have cable service yet, so I'm not able to get news. Thanks.
Liz, that fills in a lot of blanks. We just moved into a new house and don't have cable service yet, so I'm not able to get news. Thanks.
You're welcome, CaliKid! Congratulations on the new house! May it always be filled with happiness and love. :)
mysteriew
07-12-2005, 05:56 AM
As I am reading about Slade, I am getting the impression that possibly he was killed last? He saw Mark and his mother being beaten to death, and used that time to somehow attempt to escape? So as he was watching his mother and stepfather being killed, he knew what was going to happen to him. That poor, poor baby! He was so brave, yet all in vain. First he had to witness the horror, then he had to suffer the pain and fear. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/sad/tears2.jpg
I am out of words, this makes things so much worse.
CaliKid
07-12-2005, 05:56 AM
Thanks, Liz. Unfortunately it's just a rental, but it's better than the old place.
kline
07-12-2005, 06:27 AM
Im afraid its going to be one new disturbing revelation after another as the murder prosecution progresses and new details are released.
I had a bad feeling the murder was alot more heinous then LE was letting on.
So Brenda Groene Got to watch her son Slade die...or the other way around.
My God.I dont think adjectives exist to describe the utter Evil that could author
such an atrocity.
How do you get to a point where you forfeit your humanity?
Afubar
07-13-2005, 06:54 PM
"Mark McKenzie, owned the house that he, Brenda and the kids lived in. He had been dating Brenda for approximately 6 years, since sometime after she separated from her husband, Steve. According to Jesse, Mark had been a longtime family friend, and was friends with Steve and Brenda when they were married. Mark was good friends with Brenda's father, Post Falls resident Doug Matthews."
The house belonged to the grandparents of Brenda and Mark. He was buying it from the estate. Brenda and Mark were cousins. Mark's dad and Brenda's were half brothers. Their Mother was married before to a McKensie and then to a Mathews.
As for LE knowing the children had been at the house when the murders were commited and then taken. They knew because there had been "small" footprints in the blood of the house. Further, Mark had been so badly beaten that his body was identified by his tatoos.
I've heard nothing about any of them being sexually mutilated.
Hi, I'm new, have been trying to get in here for the past 3 weeks.
surf_moon_stars
07-13-2005, 07:06 PM
Welcome Afubar...
Thank you for the information .
God bless all of these angels for what happened to them is so hard to comprehend, and just makes me so sad.
How can this happen.... :doh:
Hi, I'm new, have been trying to get in here for the past 3 weeks.
Hi and welcome, Afubar!
Wow, it took you that long to activate your posting ability? That's seems like a long time, but I hope you find it to be well worth the wait! :)
Would you mind sharing the source of your info with us?
The info that was posted about the possibility of the victims being mutilated, was posted by a person local to that area. They posted it with a bit of a disclaimer, that it was only a rumor; and rated it with a 5 out of 10 credibility factor. Hope that helps.
Happy posting!
:)
Afubar
07-13-2005, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Liz - my source for the information is from a dear friend that was at one time associated with this family. The information was passed to them from the family. That person used to live in that house where the murders took place. In fact, I was by the house the weekend of the 3rd of June. It sits very near the highway. I really dont' want to give the person's name here as that person has a child who is still related to members of this family.
Tom'sGirl
07-13-2005, 07:55 PM
"Mark McKenzie, owned the house that he, Brenda and the kids lived in. He had been dating Brenda for approximately 6 years, since sometime after she separated from her husband, Steve. According to Jesse, Mark had been a longtime family friend, and was friends with Steve and Brenda when they were married. Mark was good friends with Brenda's father, Post Falls resident Doug Matthews."
The house belonged to the grandparents of Brenda and Mark. He was buying it from the estate. Brenda and Mark were cousins. Mark's dad and Brenda's were half brothers. Their Mother was married before to a McKensie and then to a Mathews.
As for LE knowing the children had been at the house when the murders were commited and then taken. They knew because there had been "small" footprints in the blood of the house. Further, Mark had been so badly beaten that his body was identified by his tatoos.
I've heard nothing about any of them being sexually mutilated.
Hi, I'm new, have been trying to get in here for the past 3 weeks.I join Liz in welcoming you here Afubar!
I can't imagine since your join date was June 16th that it took this long to "get in here"......maybe a "puter glich" or something :confused:
Casshew
07-13-2005, 07:59 PM
I join Liz in welcoming you here Afubar!
I can't imagine since your join date was June 16th that it took this long to "get in here"......maybe a "puter glich" or something :confused:
Yes probably... usless you think there may be another reason? :waitasec:
Tom'sGirl
07-13-2005, 08:01 PM
The mods have been very busy! This is a BIG forum to babysit! :p
Thank you for your imput Ida...........our Mods are great and very much on the ball!
I don't know why I have to explain my post to you, but what I meant was maybe it was a "puter glich" on the new posters side as others have only joined a few days ago and are already posting.
Tom'sGirl
07-13-2005, 08:04 PM
Yes probably... usless you think there may be another reason? :waitasec:
;) Could be!
chicoliving
07-13-2005, 08:05 PM
So lets get it back on topic then......
tybee204
07-13-2005, 08:08 PM
I activate new registrations nearly everyday, sometimes twice a day. I cant imagine what would take three weeks unless a person was trying to register with a web based or free email address and it was denied or the email activation request was considered spam by ones server and sent to the dreaded spam folder. That is pretty common.
Casshew
07-13-2005, 08:09 PM
I have the feeling certain people are not happy with how WS is run :razz:
. . .
Welcome to WS Afubar ~ thanks for posting that information from your family friend, interesting.
Tom'sGirl
07-13-2005, 08:13 PM
I have the feeling certain people are not happy with how WS is run :razz:
. . .
Welcome to WS Afubar ~ thanks for posting that information from your family friend, interesting.
I think we all are more than happy with the way WS is run, efficiently, well viewed and activation done daily.
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Liz - my source for the information is from a dear friend that was at one time associated with this family. The information was passed to them from the family. That person used to live in that house where the murders took place. In fact, I was by the house the weekend of the 3rd of June. It sits very near the highway. I really dont' want to give the person's name here as that person has a child who is still related to members of this family.
Afubar, well that's completely understandable. I wouldn't even want you to divulge a source, such as a personal friend, by any means. Besides, if I am not mistaken, that would be against the TOS here at Websleuths. I'm sorry that my post wasn't clearer, about what I was asking.
I was under the impression that what you posted was from an online news source, that you could provide a link to. Sorry for the confusion.
Happy Trails!
:)
kuriouskate
07-13-2005, 08:41 PM
I was just wondering if anyone could give me a link to any photos of Brenda, Mark and Slade? I saw a brief image of them on the news but nothing since then. Thanks!!!
newtv
07-13-2005, 09:14 PM
I've read some posts, in which people have posed the suggestion or the possibility that Slade may have been involved in illegal drug activity. I myself may have even posed a scenario, of that nature, and I apologize for it, if I did.
I realize this is a sleuthing forum and that is 'the nature of the beast'. Hopefully we can bare in mind this was a real child, who has real friends and family who love and care about him. And, he is no longer around to defend himself.
The preliminary coroner's report on the Urinary Analysis, said there were no illicit drugs in Slade's system.
I have no proof, but in my heart of hearts, I really don't believe Slade was involved in anything like that. From everything that I've read so far, Slade was a remarkable young man, whom I wish I'd had the pleasure of knowing, during his much too short lifetime.
RIP, dear young man, Slade Vincent Groene! :angel:I agree- I had judgement about the safety of the children if the parents were doing drugs at all..but thats when I thot it a drug hit-to me a mother who does drugs (or any parent)..like meth are unfit parents.
But now we know these people are true victims because this was not drug related (even if they happened to also do drugs-which I do not know).
They cant be referred to anything else but victims of violent crime imo. NO need to be apologetic for calling it what it is.
They did nothing to have this puke show up at their door. Its a moot point imo-they could not have protected themselves from this type of monster-he did not even know them-so they are about as victimized as it gets. as victimization gets.
I agree- I had judgement about the safety of the children if the parents were doing drugs at all..but thats when I thot it a drug hit-to me a mother who does drugs (or any parent)..like meth are unfit parents.
But now we know these people are true victims because this was not drug related (even if the happened to also do drugs-which I do not know).
They cant be referred to anything else but victims of violent crime imo. NO need to be apologetic for assigning them by their true status.
They did nothing to have this puke show up at their door. Its a moot point imo-they could not have protected themselves from this type of monster-he did not even know them-so they are about as victim as victimization gets.
I agree, newtv. BTW, I never really posted that scenario about Slade that I mentioned. (I was just trying to diplomaticly discourage others from doing so.)
Cowgirl
07-13-2005, 09:45 PM
I was just wondering if anyone could give me a link to any photos of Brenda, Mark and Slade? I saw a brief image of them on the news but nothing since then. Thanks!!!The only place I saw any were here on this link that Liz posted a page or so back on this thread. It is the funeral pictures and if you click on the video (click on the word 'view') of Slade and Brenda there are quite a few nice family pictures. It will break your heart though, be warned. They are on the May list, about a dozen names down.
http://www.englishfuneralchapel.com/English/Current_Services.htm
kuriouskate
07-13-2005, 11:46 PM
Thank you sooooooooooooooooo much for that link! It was good to finally see photos of Slade and Brenda and I haven't seen the videos as it's taking my computer forever to download them....I am loving this family more and more. Someone well...a couple of people wrote how much Brenda loved her children in some of the signings. Life is so strange sometimes isn't it? I mean we are conceived in a blaze of passion and we enter this world in a flash of urgency..we ignite quickly, erupt in flames of glory..we combust into various levels of splendor and then in a blink of an eye..we burn out..we die. We are gone. What matters are the moments we live to the fullest more than the days we have. I can't help but think looking at these people and reading about what others say knowing their lives that they had some really full moments. Anyway....thanks for sharing that with me!
Cowgirl
07-13-2005, 11:52 PM
No problem, Kate. They were quite moving and I had the same reaction. We are really all here for just a blink of an eye and anyone could be gone tomorrow. Gotta make it count. She looked like she really cared about being with her kids. I am sure Shasta has lots of good memories to replace the recent awful ones.
newtv
07-14-2005, 03:00 AM
I agree, newtv. BTW, I never really posted that scenario about Slade that I mentioned. (I was just trying to diplomaticly discourage others from doing so.)
you know Liz, the more I think about slade the worse i feel-he was also pretty much the age of the boy that monster man raped at 16 (when evil man was 16). I wonder if he took that out on him too.
And he obviously likes boys that age so I wonder if he was raped too??
Nothing would be off limits to this piece of crap- I hare saying his name-I hate the way his name has to take up 3 words..I dont want to give him that much distinction.
I hate his name on top of it..I wont ever like that name again.
I know how you feel, newtv. When I started that thread with his full name, followed by the 'III' -
I hated giving him that "recognition". Other posters and I pretty much agreed right then and there we'd refer to him as 'JED'.
Every time the media shows video footage of him,
I wonder why they can't just show the victims instead. And help us forget what that piece of filth looks like! (Blechhh!)
He's getting far too much attention and name recogntion. Far, far too much!
Afubar
07-14-2005, 10:32 AM
Yes probably... usless you think there may be another reason? :waitasec:
I'm sorry you feel that way. The truth of the matter is I never received the activation page to log on and each time I tried to use the link on this site to ask about it all I got was a returned email stating the email didn't go thru due to the inbox being full. It wasn't until later that I was browsing the rest of the site that I came across the email addy for someone here that I could finally get a hold of. And No, I wasn't trying to use a "free" email addy to log on with.
With that said, I think this is one of the better sites on the internet on crime, and don't feel that the administrators are in any way 'lazy' or uninterested in helping people with posting problems.
I can see how you might be leary of 'new' posters, especially with a join date that much earlier than a first post, but I assure you, I'm a sincerely normal (what ever that means) person with no hidden agendas. :)
Fubar, I'm not leary. I'm glad you're here, glad you're sincere, and glad you're normal. ;)
Back to the case. I was reading yesterday's CdA Press, and it suddenly dawned on me that Brenda's last words to little Shasta might just be the words that saved Shasta's life. Here's the part that struck me:
"Shasta saw a male adult holding a firearm as her mother was asking her to go to the living room," Maskell said. "She said her mother gave her instructions to cooperate with the man and do whatever he said to do."
If those were Brenda's last words to Shasta, I feel she will never, ever forget them. Shasta's obeying her mother's last word's, may very well be the reason Shasta is still alive today.
This case is just so utterly horrible.
surf_moon_stars
07-14-2005, 11:44 AM
cowgirl-
Thank you soooooooooooooooooooo much for that link cowgirl...
I have not seen one picture of Brenda, or Slade, just Mark.
It really puts a pit in my stomach that this is still unfolding in the BG department
on all of the people mentioned who knew Duncan, and I am sending a million hugs out to the Groene and Torres family for having to keep seeing more and more BG info on Duncan and his two "acquanitances".
I am going to go shed a tear for all the victime in this world right now. :(
surf_moon_stars
07-14-2005, 12:19 PM
Hi Liz,
BG= Background
Hope this helps :D
mysteriew
07-14-2005, 12:24 PM
Afubar
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/Welcome%20to%20the%20group/ani-welcome.gif To WS. Glad you finally made it.
Afubar
07-14-2005, 12:29 PM
:blushing: Aw Gee! Thanks!
Here's hoping that the slime gets everything coming to him. :furious:
AdoraBlue
09-16-2005, 12:35 PM
OMG, I am only reading the first page of the first search warrant return. If the rest reads like this, we will get a pretty good idea of what may have gone down in that home. I'm going to finish reading later, have to take some time to think about this.
Insert broken heart icon here . . .
tired.old.hag
09-16-2005, 03:40 PM
OMG, I am only reading the first page of the first search warrant return. If the rest reads like this, we will get a pretty good idea of what may have gone down in that home. I'm going to finish reading later, have to take some time to think about this.
Insert broken heart icon here . . .
I know what you mean, Adora. I had to keep taking breaks through the first document, and there's no way I'm looking at the second one today. I have a splitting headache and I'm eating Maalox like candy.
close_enough
09-16-2005, 08:30 PM
OMG, I am only reading the first page of the first search warrant return. If the rest reads like this, we will get a pretty good idea of what may have gone down in that home. I'm going to finish reading later, have to take some time to think about this.
Insert broken heart icon here . . .
reading this also....i'm interested in how you think it "may have gone down"...it all comes across as just crazed...so much blood everywhere...seems lots of broken glass too..a shard of glass was in even in Shasta's bed...
inquisitive-mind
09-19-2005, 01:43 PM
I have not found the link for the search warrant return. Could someone post it or email a copy to me at inquisitive-mind@insightbb.com
Thanx
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