Raven's comments regarding Janet . . .

[golfmom]

pocketpcguy

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35&perpage=15&pagenumber=10

poster name: NC_VX

NC_VX
Super VXer 99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill, NC US

My wife was furious, but shortly fell in love with the VX. She still thinks of the VX as a horrible investment because of how much it has depreciated in value. I was a little disappointed too, but after thinking about it, VALUE IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.
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more at link

[golfmom]

More misc. info to add to our collection


Interest 1 Janet is interested in the Harry Potter series. After reading all 4 books once, she is moving through again.

Interest 2 GOLF... It's a "getting older" sport : )

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Interest 3 Puzzles and games anyone? While Janet is loving the very difficult puzzles both on the PC and on cardboard,

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http://web.archive.org/web/20010408...om/interest.htm


Monday, January 29, 2001 :
I am so blessed to have my best friend as a wife. Janet is the most special girl. I love her so much. Today I went to play basketball. Before I left, she made me and my friend Les breakfast. What a sweat and tender young girl. I love everything there is about her!
The gospel is true. I bear testimony to you, brothers and sisters, that as you commit yourselves to the Lord and to being true to yourself, blessings will come. Remember to have faith, remember to be strong, remember that no matter who you are, or where you are, that Heavenly Father knows you. He knows your heart. He knows your name. Be kind to others, be true to yourself.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010420...RavensPerch.htm

[golfmom]

Another expensive hobby . . .

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the specialized rockhopper I haven't been able to pin down yet.

09/05/2003, 11:56 PM

besides the vx... base price $28,900 new

2003 Specialized P.3 around $1,300
2003 Specialized Rockhopper (Wife)
2001 K2 Snowboards The snowboards range from $250-$400 each. Not including boots, straps, clothes, etc
2002 Ducati 748 Red
Piece of **** 92 Jeep Wrangler w/ 35's and Red... Hate it
Bauer Street Rollerblades whew another *expensive* brand

[golfmom]

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?p=51209#post51209
12/10/2004, 07:41 AM
NC_VX
Super VXer 99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill, NC US

Negative Attitude Right Now

Ya know, I posted on here that I would never ever get rid of my VX.... NOw it seems I am so close to throwing in the towel. Between my job, a baby, two dogs and a need for more and more space, I'm just not sure the VX fits the bill.

I want to go out and just buy a third vehicle (or make my VX my third Vehicle), but I'm having a tough time coming up with funds to pay for it, so it seems like parting with the VX is the right way to go..... HOWEVER, even my wife is on my side now by saying I can't sell something that I've spent so much time and money on.

Ultimitly, I need to come up with some funds to keep me from selling the VX... I feel so guilty even considering selling it...

I'm ashamed!

[golfmom]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010810...RavensPerch.htm

Tuesday, June 26, 2001 :

Shopping for our first home is no fun... Janet and I clash in our opinions and ideas... What to do. Anyway, work is going well and I am having lots of fun!

[golfmom]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010408184401/www.ravenstree.com/the_couple.htm

Janet and I met on August 17, 1998. It was in the Main Hall of Southern Virginia College where I (Raven) made the move that would change my life forever.

What I saw was a beautiful girl who was obviously not happy to be at this school. As she walked stubbornly in front of her family, I introduced myself to her little brother, welcoming him to the school. After a few laughs her parents said that "she" (pointing to Janet) is the new student. We talked for a little bit, the rest of my friends introduced her to the team, and only two days later we were watching the sun go down together, for the first time...

[golfmom]

http://ravenstree.blogspot.com/

If I were a bird... Wait, I am!

Raven writes about his life story, but what is conspicuously absent is any mention of Janet.

[golfmom]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/story/2356802p-8734464c.html
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When the victim's parents tried to speak to Raven Abaroa by phone this week, the only words he could utter were so grief-stricken that they were incoherent, she said.

[golfmom]

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4963&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
09/19/2004, 09:50 AM
NC_VX
Super VXer

So, Janet and I would be 90% committed if it were this weekend and a little less then that if it were the following. Please let me know what everyone decides on as this is only a few days away. Hotel rates would be nice and out of town'r directions would be good too...

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This happened very shortly before Kaiden was born. :(

[ewwwinteresting]

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This happened very shortly before Kaiden was born. :(
Another posting from that site:

Weekend Warrior?
I was just jumping in on the post to find out the details of this event? I would like to get one more event in before the fall hits and my little tike is born!!!
__________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina

[golfmom]

This is an old cached post on the VX boards that Raven belongs to. I cannot call it up straight-out leading me to believe that it was deleted. RAVEN CLEARLY POSTS THAT HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF A DIVORCE!

Approximate time period this was posted was early JAN. 2004

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9mCDezNicqgJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php%3Fgoto%3Dnewpost%26threadid%3D2923+ NC_VX+for+sale&hl=en

NC_VX
Super Charged VXer

99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill
Joined Jun 2003
195 Posts Post# 7
that is so perdy!!! I will keep my ears opened. Everyone wants one once they see mine, but no one really wants one, if you know what I am saying.... talk is cheap, show me some cash!!!

I one day will be in the market for VX#2, and I hope it is in as great as shape as yours. Mine will be paid off next year, and then I want to buy a street one, and get my 99 vx ready for the big stuff!!! Ya know, 4 mies to the gallon type of stuff.....

Anyway, dreams, dreams!! Maybe I will just get a 350Z, they look really nice next to the VX.. The Saint has one, cool!!!! they even match colors!

I am going through a D right now, so I know the feeling! Best of luck!

__________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina

[SauerKraut]

I am just reading about this case now and trying to get up to speed. This websleuths site is addictive, god.

Was there any further info regarding the emails with her coworkers? Were they in fact emails or were they IM's? I find it a bit odd that they would be alarmed if she didn't respond to emails, but if they were IM ing, yes. And they did not seize a computer? I find that weird too. I don't know that they'd need it, they can get data from the IP address and ISP to see if and when it had been used that evening.

Reading the husband's site, he does seem to allude that he's cut her out of his life, like he doesn't want anyone to think he's happily married etc. He seems to have the same arrogance as good old Peterson.

Is it possible that the wife was involved in some way with the embezzling but she agreed to testify against the husband? She worked in the accounting dept. she must have known something or been in on it.

Again, I don't know all the specifics of this but my gut tells me the husband is involved some way.

[golfmom]

I am just reading about this case now and trying to get up to speed. This websleuths site is addictive, god.

Was there any further info regarding the emails with her coworkers? Were they in fact emails or were they IM's? I find it a bit odd that they would be alarmed if she didn't respond to emails, but if they were IM ing, yes. And they did not seize a computer? I find that weird too. I don't know that they'd need it, they can get data from the IP address and ISP to see if and when it had been used that evening.

Is it possible that the wife was involved in some way with the embezzling but she agreed to testify against the husband? She worked in the accounting dept. she must have known something or been in on it.

Again, I don't know all the specifics of this but my gut tells me the husband is involved some way.

Hey SK! We haven't determined if it the early reports of co-workers was incorrect or what . . . interesting to note thought, reports are vague when it comes to who actually called 9-1-1 that night.

There have been some friends and co-workers who have im'd privately to share that Janet was completely unaware and shocked by Raven's embezzlement. I just have no reason to not believe that at this point as it's come from multiple sources and it fits with what we've come to know about Janet.

As for the computer, you would think LE would want to jump right on that one .... :waitasec:

[Jenifred]

That post about a "D" is very interesting. Good find golfmom!

I've got a child that was also born in October, so that had to be right around the time that Janet got pregnant.

I'm looking forward to seeing mr.ag's blog. Is there a specific time to look for it?

[SauerKraut]

That post about a "D" is very interesting. Good find golfmom!

I've got a child that was also born in October, so that had to be right around the time that Janet got pregnant.

I'm looking forward to seeing mr.ag's blog. Is there a specific time to look for it?

Ah, I didn't catch that, so it was in January of 04 that the ad was on, okay.

As far as her knowing about the embezzlement, I bet she didn't know however, I would guess she was being called in as a witness regardless. Could she have information (unknowingly until now) that could implicate him further in the crime?

Sad story.... :mad:

[Timex]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?

[Nemmer]

Doesn't Jan 04 coincide with the time period in which they were separated? Right before she found out she was pregnant?

[Moxie]

Doesn't Jan 04 coincide with the time period in which they were separated? Right before she found out she was pregnant?
Yes, it does.

[PrayersForMaura]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?
Not if both parties don't sign the papers....

[PrayersForMaura]

That post about a "D" is very interesting. Good find golfmom!

I've got a child that was also born in October, so that had to be right around the time that Janet got pregnant.

I'm looking forward to seeing mr.ag's blog. Is there a specific time to look for it?MisterAllGood's blog is up!
http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

Hope you don't mind me posting this MisterAllGood but I just love your blogs and was anxiously awaiting this one.

Have a nice evening everyone...
PFM

[Moxie]

MisterAllGood's blog is up!
http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

Hope you don't mind me posting this MisterAllGood but I just love your blogs and was anxiously awaiting this one.

Have a nice evening everyone...
PFM
Thank you so much! Misterallgood and the websleuths, you are the best!!!!

[JerseyGirl]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?My guess is that they possibly weren't in the middle of a divorce but just a separation. Maybe they were even talking divorce at that time but hadn't officially begun the process.

[golfmom]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?

Heya Timex, if you get a chance check the timeline. There were a number of rumors that they had separated during this time period. The post confirms that there was marital dischord during January of 2004.

[Timex]

yes, I knew they had seperated, but this is the first I had heard about an actual divorce. Arent divorce's a matter of public record? Should be easy enough to find out if there was such a filing I would think.

[golfmom]

yes, I knew they had seperated, but this is the first I had heard about an actual divorce. Arent divorce's a matter of public record? Should be easy enough to find out if there was such a filing I would think.

Maybe, but I just don't know that they really got that far in the process. It sure would be interesting if they actually had filed some paperwork though.

[JerseyGirl]

I actually find it more interesting if they hadn't filed any divorce paperwork. Often a separation is to see if the two parties want to reconcile and try to work it out. If he was representing himself as nearing divorce when they actually weren't, I wonder why he would say that and for the benefit of whom?

[Jenifred]

I actually find it more interesting if they hadn't filed any divorce paperwork. Often a separation is to see if the two parties want to reconcile and try to work it out. If he was representing himself as nearing divorce when they actually weren't, I wonder why he would say that and for the benefit of whom?
I wonder if he's just running his mouth. Trying to fit in with the "boys", becoming yet another victim to the VX curse, basically just bringing the conversation back around to himself. Like he enjoys doing.

[Thinkoflaura]

OK, here's what I think probably happened:
Raven and Janet, for their own reasons, separated in early 2004 . right after we saw the Christmas photos from 2003, remember??

Then Janet either became pregnant with Raven's baby or found out that she was pregnant, ( there's a small window of time when either could be true) and he dropped divorce proceedings before the papers were filed.
I am convinced that Kaiden is why they reconciled.
I am also convinced that Janet is the one who wanted the marriage to work.

Both parties wanting a marriage to work is the only reason to stay together, in my experience.
The other reasons, like religion, children, financial need are all setting the scene for anger, a feeling of being trapped with no place to go and a high risk of violence.
Domestic violence cuts across all lines, socio-economic, racial, age, religious. It doesn't matter, when a person feels desperate enough they WILL strike back by hurting either themselves or the other person.

I think we know which path this marriage took. I'm surprised that Kaiden is unhurt.

[lauriej]

This is an old cached post on the VX boards that Raven belongs to. I cannot call it up straight-out leading me to believe that it was deleted. RAVEN CLEARLY POSTS THAT HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF A DIVORCE!

Approximate time period this was posted was early JAN. 2004

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9mCDezNicqgJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php%3Fgoto%3Dnewpost%26threadid%3D2923+ NC_VX+for+sale&hl=en

NC_VX
Super Charged VXer

99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill
Joined Jun 2003
195 Posts Post# 7
that is so perdy!!! I will keep my ears opened. Everyone wants one once they see mine, but no one really wants one, if you know what I am saying.... talk is cheap, show me some cash!!!

I one day will be in the market for VX#2, and I hope it is in as great as shape as yours. Mine will be paid off next year, and then I want to buy a street one, and get my 99 vx ready for the big stuff!!! Ya know, 4 mies to the gallon type of stuff.....

Anyway, dreams, dreams!! Maybe I will just get a 350Z, they look really nice next to the VX.. The Saint has one, cool!!!! they even match colors!

I am going through a D right now, so I know the feeling! Best of luck!

__________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina
.............excellent digging.........! that would be practically 9 months before kaiden was born..........

... they reconcile ? ( but, as we've heard from acquaintances, he remains unfaithful....)he embezzles $$$'s from their employer july ( not aug. ,while on holiday)through november...( to the tune of $9000, plus merchandise..)

...fired in january 05.........she had no clue about the stealing from hillsborough...........she finds a new job................he doesn't.....their church/landlord kicks in for free rent for 3 months....( while he does NOT put his VX on the maket to help with cash flow...)

...april 05.....writes the web-blog ( plageurized no less) detailing his native roots.....starting over..........new name "Ina’maqki’u wi’dishi’anun".......signs on to 'myspace' april 19th...........as "single" ..with a pic of he and kaiden.....( sure, myspace DOES default to single...............but as JerseyGirl noted: he DID have ample time between april 19 th on to change his profile to married if he chose to do so.......didn't.....even when he was on the day before janet 's murder.....why not ?)

...he's got his vehi-cross forum, ravenstree,his web blog etc. ..and yet more than a month after janet 's murder none of those sites have one sentence posted devoted to her memory.....

..he has NEVER hit the media, to use them as a public forum to plead for public assistance/awareness.....

...the laci/scott peterson case was noted for it's over abundance of media ............this one has to be noted for the opposite.....why ?????

[PrayersForMaura]

Is it possible that in
January of 2004, Raven had another woman... he later finds out Janet is pregnant, he comes home to work things out but this other woman is still seeing Raven... in fact, he's suddenly paying for an apartment for this woman. He's not able to keep both life styles up, so he is forced into the extreme: he panics and embezzles money from work... he does this so that Janet has no clue he's paying for another lifestyle. He keeps this all a secret from her and things seem to be working out this way... until he gets caught and in January he is fired. He cannot continue to pay for the girlfriend's rent and his home .... therefore, he must rid himself of one or the other expense... or one or the other woman??

This is purely speculation....

[Thinkoflaura]

It's possible, of course, but I don't think it's probable, and here's why.
Raven most likely did have women on the side, and he might have wanted to be around for his baby, but above all, Raven is concerned with Raven's well-being and Raven's needs and Raven's happiness.
I think he's a narcissistic slimeball, and I think he would drop any woman in a heartbeat and never look back, except to gloat, BTW. Obviously that includes Janet, since I am firmly on the record as saying I believe he killed her. ( Of course, the overwhelming majority of voters in our poll believe he is the perp).


IF you are suggesting a woman scorned stalking him and killing Janet instead of him, I don't think so. That's a cliche' from "Fatal Attraction". We've come so far with restricted access to unlisted phone numbers, caller ID, security systems which don't use a land line for phone access, all kinds of relatively inexpensive measures which can be implemented to deter a nut case from following him around. ( I can't imagine why anyone would follow him in the first place, actually). Plus, he has so many vehicles, following him would be a huge task for that reason alone. :)

If there was one special woman ( which I doubt to be honest)- She would be coming foward for her Amber Frey moment if there was a huge love nest triangle thing going on, IMO.

I think Raven is the ultimate taker. I think he took what he could get from very young and naive women where he could get it. I think he would have gotten the divorce, married the other woman and started making babies with her, also, if there was another woman. A man like him is going to go with what FEELS best, not what is the right thing. Staying in the marriage was probably NOT his idea at all but he was trapped by the unexpected pregnancy, the huge financial problems, Janet being off work with her pregnancy, his embezzlement of funds and/ or merchandise, getting caught stealing, the burden of several large debts for boy toy trucks and motorcycles and designer sportswear, etc..

Obviously things had to be really desperate for them to get free rent then discounted rent for a year. That one thing above all the things the news could have printed tells me how bad things were.
A person his age in his financial condition might let a truck payment go, or a MC payment be late, but to be unable to pay to keep a roof over their heads is hitting bottom, IMO. I think he was desperate, and some thing happened within the household to cause him to lash out, literally. I keep thinking that she was murdered just after the income tax deadline..
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Is it possible that in
January of 2004, Raven had another woman... he later finds out Janet is pregnant, he comes home to work things out but this other woman is still seeing Raven... in fact, he's suddenly paying for an apartment for this woman. He's not able to keep both life styles up, so he is forced into the extreme: he panics and embezzles money from work... he does this so that Janet has no clue he's paying for another lifestyle. He keeps this all a secret from her and things seem to be working out this way... until he gets caught and in January he is fired. He cannot continue to pay for the girlfriend's rent and his home .... therefore, he must rid himself of one or the other expense... or one or the other woman??

This is purely speculation....

[golfmom]

I keep thinking that she was murdered just after the income tax deadline..
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This is an interesting observation. What if they just got the check and *clashed* over how to spend the money?

[LvsAMystry]

I doubt the income tax deadline has anything to do with it, although I suppose who knows. I just want to point out the deadline of April 15 doesn't really matter in terms of what was claimed in this years filing -- she was alive for all of 2004, so it would have been claimed that way if it were Jan. 1, 2005 when she was murdered.

[golfmom]

I doubt the income tax deadline has anything to do with it, although I suppose who knows. I just want to point out the deadline of April 15 doesn't really matter in terms of what was claimed in this years filing -- she was alive for all of 2004, so it would have been claimed that way if it were Jan. 1, 2005 when she was murdered.

:waitasec: That wasn't what I was thinking at all. This is just speculation of course, but what if they had just received an income tax return? Couldn't they have *clashed* over how exactly the money should be spent?

eta: I had a daughter born prematurely at the end of December. We joke that we should have given her the middle name of TaxDeduction. Of course she's a teen now and doesn't appreciate our sense of humor.

[golfmom]

I received a private pm from someone that has given me permission to post this here.

"Regarding the filing of formal divorce papers, to my knowledge that did not occur. They were separated for several months but when she found out she was pregnant she struggled for quite awhile as whether or not to file for divorce. Ultimately they reconciled, and so no papers were filed."

[Thinkoflaura]

This is an interesting observation. What if they just got the check and *clashed* over how to spend the money?
LOL, men and women ALWAYS clash over how to spend money.. No, that isn't what I meant.
I meant- What if this confessed embezzler also failed to file their income tax? I see a very fine line between being nuts enough to steal clothes from a job and defrauding the IRS.

I honestly don't think Janet would have stood for him committing tax fraud.
Not that this is true, just speculation, but both of them had been working and it's not uncommon to owe taxes in that situation.
IF they did owe, what was he going to use to pay the IRS? The " silver change" found at the creek?

[golfmom]

LOL, men and women ALWAYS clash over how to spend money.. No, that isn't what I meant.
I meant- What if this confessed embezzler also failed to file their income tax? I see a very fine line between being nuts enough to steal clothes from a job and defrauding the IRS.

I honestly don't think Janet would have stood for him committing tax fraud.
Not that this is true, just speculation, but both of them had been working and it's not uncommon to owe taxes in that situation.
IF they did owe, what was he going to use to pay the IRS? The " silver change" found at the creek?

Now why didn't I think of that!

A very good girlfriend of mine husband is a high powered sales guy who frequently delays (for months and months) getting expense reports turned in. This causes a huge hardship on their family! He also procrastinated the taxes for a number of years, even though they were due a refunds! This caused a huge mess that almost cost them their marriage!!!!

[Jenifred]

I received a private pm from someone that has given me permission to post this here.

"Regarding the filing of formal divorce papers, to my knowledge that did not occur. They were separated for several months but when she found out she was pregnant she struggled for quite awhile as whether or not to file for divorce. Ultimately they reconciled, and so no papers were filed."
Does anyone know how long they were separated for? And when it started and when they reconciled?

[lauriej]

:waitasec: That wasn't what I was thinking at all. This is just speculation of course, but what if they had just received an income tax return? Couldn't they have *clashed* over how exactly the money should be spent?

eta: I had a daughter born prematurely at the end of December. We joke that we should have given her the middle name of TaxDeduction. Of course she's a teen now and doesn't appreciate our sense of humor.
...............i'm in canada.........( income tax filed by april 30th..) but, is it customary to receive your refund chq. by april 26th ?

...lacking any other info,( begging for an LE update) i'm inclined to look very hard at raven, esp..with the post of TOL regarding the april 25th blog of his, i agree, he could very well be heading off to obscurity and going underground.........

...if they were truly in love, i can't see a couple clashing over a few thousand dollars ( or so ) leading one of them to commit muder over it.......

..i think raven's motive will be a lot of things coming together..............the embezzlement......he and janet arguing over it many times rec ently..........court date coming up.....bills piling up....no definite job......girl on the side ?( yes, girl, 19 or 20 yeas old if she/they DO come fwd.....)

...i know the crime lab is slow ( in real life ) to put forth their findings.............surely we'll hear something vey soon..........

[less0305]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?

Divorces in North Carolina follow a one-year separation. You file the separation papers and then after one full year of having not spent one single night together you can have your divorce finalized. It's not quite as strict as it was several years ago, but once when my brother-in-law divorced - after the year separation he had to have witnesses (my husband - his brother, being one) go into court and swear to a judge that the couple had not spent one single night together in that year. I don't think they call witnesses in anymore to court, but if the couple reconcile during that year - the process starts all over again.

[Jenifred]

Divorces in North Carolina follow a one-year separation. You file the separation papers and then after one full year of having not spent one single night together you can have your divorce finalized. It's not quite as strict as it was several years ago, but once when my brother-in-law divorced - after the year separation he had to have witnesses (my husband - his brother, being one) go into court and swear to a judge that the couple had not spent one single night together in that year. I don't think they call witnesses in anymore to court, but if the couple reconcile during that year - the process starts all over again.
This is interesting to know because if they had been separated prior to Janet learning she was pregnant--um, they were imtimately together between January/February for her to get pregnant. I only know this because I have a child that was born in October. So, were they really serious about getting divorced if they were still together?

[anneshirley]

This is interesting to know because if they had been separated prior to Janet learning she was pregnant--um, they were imtimately together between January/February for her to get pregnant. I only know this because I have a child that was born in October. So, were they really serious about getting divorced if they were still together?
Could Janet just have threatened to get a divorce in attempts to make Raven straighten up?
or...
if Raven really is the controlling person he seems to be in the posts, then did he threaten something like that in order to establish some sort of control. (I don't like this theory, though...it just sounds too sick and twisted).

[Jenifred]

Could Janet just have threatened to get a divorce in attempts to make Raven straighten up?
or...
if Raven really is the controlling person he seems to be in the posts, then did he threaten something like that in order to establish some sort of control. (I don't like this theory, though...it just sounds too sick and twisted).
I think we have it from Janet's friends that they were separated, right? Were they still living in the same house and calling it separated? Or had one of them moved out? Anyone?

[golfmom]

In regards to comments made by Raven regarding Janet, how come we haven't heard the following . . . .

1. I will do whatever it takes to ensure that there is justice for my wife.

2. I am cooperating with police. I will ensure that no stone is left unturned.

3. I am attempting to secure funds to offer a reward for the arrest and conviction of my wife's murderer.

4. If anyone has any pertinent information regarding Janet or Raven Abarao they should call Durham CrimeStoppers at 919-683-1200.

Where are those comments?

[Thinkoflaura]

In regards to comments made by Raven regarding Janet, how come we haven't heard the following . . . .

1. I will do whatever it takes to ensure that there is justice for my wife.

2. I am cooperating with police. I will ensure that no stone is left unturned.

3. I am attempting to secure funds to offer a reward for the arrest and conviction of my wife's murderer.

4. If anyone has any pertinent information regarding Janet or Raven Abarao they should call Durham CrimeStoppers at 919-683-1200.

Where are those comments?
Because Samuel Peters, oops, Raven Abaroa, AKA The Bird, only cares about himself.
Who else gives themselves 2 aliases other than a narcissistic sicko?

[ewwwinteresting]

I think we have it from Janet's friends that they were separated, right? Were they still living in the same house and calling it separated? Or had one of them moved out? Anyone?
My sources indicate that they were living separate for a short time. IMO even though two people are separated, they are probably still talking, maybe even trying or contemplating working it out......and one of these "talks" leads to sexual relations.;) So, Janet could have gotten pregnant in January while they were separated and then once she discovered she was pregnant (in February or March?), they moved back in with each other. We should probably start an address timeline showing the addresses of where Raven lived and the dates he lived there????

[Jenifred]

My sources indicate that they were living separate for a short time. IMO even though two people are separated, they are probably still talking, maybe even trying or contemplating working it out......and one of these "talks" leads to sexual relations.;) So, Janet could have gotten pregnant in January while they were separated and then once she discovered she was pregnant (in February or March?), they moved back in with each other. We should probably start an address timeline showing the addresses of where Raven lived and the dates he lived there????
I can see how that can happen. However, being Mormon too, I would think that since they were comtemplating divorce their intimacy would have been put on hold until they reconciled, if they every did. Mormons don't take sex very lightly--between a lawfully wed husband and wife only. Yeah, they were lawfully married, but when you are separated, you're not living as a husband and wife.

[golfmom]

I can see how that can happen. However, being Mormon too, I would think that since they were comtemplating divorce their intimacy would have been put on hold until they reconciled, if they every did. Mormons don't take sex very lightly--between a lawfully wed husband and wife only. Yeah, they were lawfully married, but when you are separated, you're not living as a husband and wife.

An unnamed source has told me that Janet did counsel with and had permission from her pastor at that time to separate and ultimately divorce Raven.

[Jenifred]

An unnamed source has told me that Janet did counsel with and had permission from her pastor at that time to separate and ultimately divorce Raven.
Do you know when she was counseled to do that? Was she making plans to do this and then was murdered?

[golfmom]

Do you know when she was counseled to do that? Was she making plans to do this and then was murdered?

No, no! I'm so sorry I didn't make myself more clear. This referred back to the time that they were separated.

[Jenifred]

No, no! I'm so sorry I didn't make myself more clear. This referred back to the time that they were separated.
So she never followed though with it. Got it.

[golfmom]

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NC_VX05/07/2004, 07:56 AM
I will be up early tomorrow spiffing up the ride. My wife does a really good job at detailing the cars so she is going to be the big reason I even have a clean VX tomorrow. I am excited because after having my PV muffler for a year I got it installed today and I finally got black on black.... that is, tinted the windows a bit to match up with the look! I'm excited to get with other VX'rs to talk about our rides and what we want to do with them...

See Ya'All tomorrow

[misterallgood]

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NC_VX05/07/2004, 07:56 AM
I will be up early tomorrow spiffing up the ride. My wife does a really good job at detailing the cars so she is going to be the big reason I even have a clean VX tomorrow. I am excited because after having my PV muffler for a year I got it installed today and I finally got black on black.... that is, tinted the windows a bit to match up with the look! I'm excited to get with other VX'rs to talk about our rides and what we want to do with them...

See Ya'All tomorrow
She would have been about 4 months pregnant at that point. Detailing his car for him?

[cappuccina]

...for someone lacking in empathy, they wouldn't give having her do this a second thought...

[anneshirley]

She would have been about 4 months pregnant at that point. Detailing his car for him?
and I doubt she would complain.

[golfmom]

It's nice he gives her props for the outstanding job she does detailing his vehicle, but don't you get the feeling he's really saying "Hey guys looky here ... my wife does all the dirty work and I don't have to."

[golfmom]

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NC_VX02/18/2004, 01:34 PM
FOR SURE IN.... I am so pissed I missed the Foxwoods cause Valentines was a sham....
Lets rock and roll..
__________________

[golfmom]

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NC_VX01/26/2004, 01:34 PM
VX_PA I got your message and will reply... I don't know if i am going now either.... My valentine doesnt think 4-wheeling is a fun thing to do tha weekend and she wants to be my valentine... So if I leave her then I might be giving her the wrong sign, that I like my VX more then her, and that may get me in a lot of trouble!

...........

NC_VX01/29/2004, 05:21 PM
I htink I will be at the next meet/..... 10 hour drive for two days isn't worth the better half's time.... hmmmm, I was so close to getting her to go... In the end, I have to be that romantic and treat her to something special!!!! Goodness!

Sorry guys, the place looks great, an early fall meet at Foxwoods would be really fun! Any chance?

[JerseyGirl]

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NC_VX02/18/2004, 01:34 PM
FOR SURE IN.... I am so pissed I missed the Foxwoods cause Valentines was a sham....
Lets rock and roll..
__________________Oh my. :(

[golfmom]

Oh my. :(

After thinking about it, I don't think he was referring to Janet ... :furious:

[JerseyGirl]

After thinking about it, I don't think he was referring to Janet ... :furious:Hmmm, the wording is odd but I just can't tell. He does refer to his "better half" in the one comment. But the one about the Valentine reads weird. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

[golfmom]

Hmmm, the wording is odd but I just can't tell. He does refer to his "better half" in the one comment. But the one about the Valentine reads weird. I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

I've read a lot of the material over at the VX boards, when he refers to Janet he refers to his wife. I thought they didn't reconcile until March. It's not on the timeline, can anyone confirm?

[golfmom]

It just dawned on me. Those posts regarding Valentine's day were made in JANUARY! That is when Raven and Janet were separated ... so I feel pretty certain here that he was not referring to Janet!

[JerseyGirl]

It just dawned on me. Those posts regarding Valentine's day were made in JANUARY! That is when Raven and Janet were separated ... so I feel pretty certain here that he was not referring to Janet!I noticed that they were in January but they were at the very end of January. I don't know if the reconciled in Jan. or Feb., etc. Does anyone know when Janet realized that she was pregnant or when she informed Raven?

[LvsAMystry]

It just dawned on me. Those posts regarding Valentine's day were made in JANUARY! That is when Raven and Janet were separated ... so I feel pretty certain here that he was not referring to Janet!

Well, in January they had to have been having more than casaul contact -- that's the month Kaiden would have been conceived! So he may have been referring to her. Or not.

[Jenifred]

I noticed that they were in January but they were at the very end of January. I don't know if the reconciled in Jan. or Feb., etc. Does anyone know when Janet realized that she was pregnant or when she informed Raven?
I think that I found out I was pregnant at the end of February beginning of March with my October baby. And Kaiden was born earlier in the month than my baby was. So she for sure had to know by mid-March, and probably earlier than that.

[golfmom]

timeline

1. Janet and Raven separated initially in January of 2004
2. She became pregnant just before they separated
3. She didn't find out for certain that she was pregnant until the beginning of March.
4. ............
5. In May of 04 when Janet was 5 months pregnant they reconciled

[ewwwinteresting]

Raven initially didn't want Kaiden and suggested Janet give him up for adoption
I'm speechless.....and that doesn't happen often!

[LvsAMystry]

I'm speechless.....and that doesn't happen often!


I am too, but I also wonder -- Golfmom, how do you know that information? I mean, I assume it's someone giving you information privately, and that's fine, but how do we know it's reliable? I always tend to feel that if someone is so reluctant to share it openly, especially on an anonymous message board, than there may be a kernal of untruth to what they're saying. Maybe not, but we can't be sure I don't think.

[golfmom]

I am too, but I also wonder -- Golfmom, how do you know that information? I mean, I assume it's someone giving you information privately, and that's fine, but how do we know it's reliable? I always tend to feel that if someone is so reluctant to share it openly, especially on an anonymous message board, than there may be a kernal of untruth to what they're saying. Maybe not, but we can't be sure I don't think.

LvsAMystry! Feel free to discount the information then. :blowkiss:
This is what I was told when I asked some questions regarding the separation timeline.

You're absolutely right, I have no way to verify it to any reasonable certainty at this time. Maybe someone will post and let us know if I got it right or not!

Pretty please with sugar and cream!

[ewwwinteresting]

Maybe someone will post and let us know if I got it right or not! Pretty please with sugar and cream!
We promise we won't bite......:croc: We'd love to have you join us with information confirming or denying anything that is being said here!

[Timex]

I am too, but I also wonder -- Golfmom, how do you know that information? I mean, I assume it's someone giving you information privately, and that's fine, but how do we know it's reliable? I always tend to feel that if someone is so reluctant to share it openly, especially on an anonymous message board, than there may be a kernal of untruth to what they're saying. Maybe not, but we can't be sure I don't think.

This is exactly why we have the rule that no one can post for another person. The exchange of information via pvt message or email is fine...but you cannot post that information here on the forums. If the person giving the information isnt willing to do so openly, then it cannot be shared on the forum.

[golfmom]

This is exactly why we have the rule that no one can post for another person. The exchange of information via pvt message or email is fine...but you cannot post that information here on the forums. If the person giving the information isnt willing to do so openly, then it cannot be shared on the forum.

I edited my post to just reflect the dates of events only. Sorry!

[LvsAMystry]

LvsAMystry! Feel free to discount the information then. :blowkiss:
This is what I was told when I asked some questions regarding the separation timeline.

You're absolutely right, I have no way to verify it to any reasonable certainty at this time. Maybe someone will post and let us know if I got it right or not!

Pretty please with sugar and cream!

I would love to know if that's accurate because it's scary to contemplate, and may well be what pushes me over the fence if true.

I hope you don't think I'm questioning you, Golfmom! I am not. I was just thinking how there are so many people out there that could have a personal axe to grind with him, or even just a crazy who doesn't know him or Janet at all, and I'd hate to see the focus being misdirected if someone were playing that way. I just wanted to point out that all options need be considered when we come by this sort of information.

My guess is that it's right on and I'm glad someone has found a voice with you to speak for them here. I can understand it may be difficult to post just in case it's found out. When it's time, he/she/they will speak here for themselves, and that's great since we all want the same thing I think!

[SouthEastSleuth]

My guess is that it's right on and I'm glad someone has found a voice with you to speak for them here. I can understand it may be difficult to post just in case it's found out. When it's time, he/she/they will speak here for themselves, and that's great since we all want the same thing I think!
Well said!

[golfmom]

This has been a tricky case. There are a number of people who are in very sensitive positions who would like to post but can't. Even posting why they can't post, jeopardizes their positions.

Unfortunately, there is just so little coming out in the media and everything is so tight-lipped, I'm not sure what there is left to talk about without the assistance of these sources. I know we wouldn't be as far along as we are without them guiding us where to look, poke, and question.

[golfmom]

My guess is that it's right on and I'm glad someone has found a voice with you to speak for them here. I can understand it may be difficult to post just in case it's found out. When it's time, he/she/they will speak here for themselves, and that's great since we all want the same thing I think!

That's what I hope. I hope that soon, they will all be *free as a bird* to post!

Often I've been on the boards and seen the "I know something, you don't know" type posts. Drives me bat$hit. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone by posting info from sources. I've always tried to be sensitive not only to the person who is giving me the information, but also to the people who will be receiving the information.

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh:That's what I hope. I hope that soon, they will all be *free as a bird* to post!
I, too am happy about the additonal information, annonymous or not! Most of all our postings are opinions and speculations, but every once in awhile, we nail it head on.....so thanks for the various pathways to explore. We don't have much choice but to speculate until LE releases some further facts or we find further facts for LE, the later seeming more likely.

[SouthEastSleuth]

It does seem to me that there are many days when we would all be sitting around twiddling our thumbs (what a stupid expression, and I used it anyway! LOL) if it were't for some of the information, leads, etc., that many of these sources have provided.

I think something that is key to keep in mind with ANY unnamed source, etc., is that you have to take it for what's it worth. My thoughts? Take the tidbit of info, run with it, see what I can find that's verifiable, etc., then make an informed opinion about that validity of the information, or not, as the case may be...

Saying that a "source" has no real voice unless they come forward themselves, is like saying the Washington Post should not reported the comments of Deep Throat, unless he had come forward at the time... Even then, it was reported that it was an UNNAMED SOURCE, but that had provided verifiable information. Or, that had pointed someone in a direction to at least follow...

Sure, to come on here and say, for example, "well a source told me that John Doe used to be married and was arrested for spousal abuse." To post THAT, may not be correct. What SHOULD be posted, is the WebSleuther digging up of a link to the arrest warrant when Mr. Doe beat his wife....having done that BASED on the source's information. OR, perhaps if the WebSleuther has hit a brick wall, is it not ok THEN, to come on here and say, "listen guys, someone told me this info about Mr. Doe, and I need help VERIFYING it??"

Just my thoughts...

[golfmom]

I think something that is key to keep in mind with ANY unnamed source, etc., is that you have to take it for what's it worth. My thoughts? Take the tidbit of info, run with it, see what I can find that's verifiable, etc., then make an informed opinion about that validity of the information, or not, as the case may be...

..........

Sure, to come on here and say, for example, "well a source told me that John Doe used to be married and was arrested for spousal abuse." To post THAT, may not be correct. What SHOULD be posted, is the WebSleuther digging up of a link to the arrest warrant when Mr. Doe beat his wife....having done that BASED on the source's information. OR, perhaps if the WebSleuther has hit a brick wall, is it not ok THEN, to come on here and say, "listen guys, someone told me this info about Mr. Doe, and I need help VERIFYING it??"

Just my thoughts...

I've been trying to pass along stuff to get help sleuthing. There just are so many different fronts to attack. Please can someone jump in and try to see if Raven has been advertising himself on single's sites or married looking for some nookie sites?

[golfmom]

I had one final thought (maybe unless I think some more) on this subject.

Remember all WE are the ones right now that are ahead of and leading the media. In my opinion, this is a very unique case. If it wasn't for us and misterallgood, Greta wouldn't have featured a story on Janet nor would the Christmas video been uncovered. WE are the ones who won't let Janet and Kaiden be forgotten.

:blowkiss:

[ewwwinteresting]

I've been trying to pass along stuff to get help sleuthing. There just are so many different fronts to attack. Please can someone jump in and try to see if Raven has been advertising himself on single's sites or married looking for some nookie sites?
How about us sleuthing some of the significant others? Do we know anything about them? I think I remember someone posting that they thought at least a few of them were with people he worked with (can't remember if they were boys or girls). The "pillow talk" may be very significant in this case. Look at what SP told AF.

[SouthEastSleuth]

More misc. info to add to our collection

Monday, January 29, 2001 :
...The gospel is true. I bear testimony to you, brothers and sisters, that as you commit yourselves to the Lord and to being true to yourself, blessings will come. Remember to have faith, remember to be strong, remember that no matter who you are, or where you are, that Heavenly Father knows you. He knows your heart. He knows your name. Be kind to others, be true to yourself.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010420...RavensPerch.htm
In reading back over old posts, I came across this one where GM found some archived writings of Raven. How odd it strikes me, for Raven to be giving religious based advice to his readers.

And Raven, come on dude, take these words to heart for YOURSELF -

"Remember to have faith, remember to be strong, remember that no matter who you are, or where you are, that Heavenly Father knows you. He knows your heart. He knows your name. Be kind to others, be true to yourself."

Powerful words, for sure. Read them Raven. Apply them to YOUR heart and soul. Giving advice is easy - taking your own advice, well, it seems that's something that eludes you....

[terminatrixator]

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12/10/2004, 07:41 AM
NC_VX
Super VXer 99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill, NC US

Negative Attitude Right Now

Ya know, I posted on here that I would never ever get rid of my VX.... NOw it seems I am so close to throwing in the towel. Between my job, a baby, two dogs and a need for more and more space, I'm just not sure the VX fits the bill.

I want to go out and just buy a third vehicle (or make my VX my third Vehicle), but I'm having a tough time coming up with funds to pay for it, so it seems like parting with the VX is the right way to go..... HOWEVER, even my wife is on my side now by saying I can't sell something that I've spent so much time and money on.

Ultimitly, I need to come up with some funds to keep me from selling the VX... I feel so guilty even considering selling it...

I'm ashamed!How befitting to repost this is on this day. I decided instead of another Birthday Thread to the PNess I thought you all would like to read the some of the stupid things Raven has said. Those of you that know him and are friends with him....look at Raven now, reread this thread, he seemed more broken up about his VX than he did about the loss of his wife and unborn child.

He is ashamed and feels guilty about considering to sell his VX, but didn't seem to feel the same about what he did to Janet, which is proven that he cheated several times, proven that he embezzled and is now a convicted felon, and IMO the murderer of his beautiful wife and unborn child.

This is the same guy that filed bankruptcy on the one year Anniversary of Janet's Brutal Murder.

Raven, hope your day is a day that is just and true and that you get what you deserve. I hope somehow you can feel the misery that you have put so many others through.

So it's your birthday and your just getting older, balder, and getting so much closer to this
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