yoohoo lurkers . . .

[golfmom]

We can all see you lurking around ... please feel free to join WS and participate in our discussion.

Don't be :chicken: chicken
We won't :croc: bite
well, maybe just a little bit

[PrayersForMaura]

23 people viewing right now and 16 are guests :)
Justice for Janet!

[angarella]

I just saw this case for the first time yesterday. It has take me since then to read up on everything. Very interesting case indeed. Very strange behavior from hubby also if you ask me. I'm not afraid to jump in, just don't have much to offer at this point. But, I'm glad I was invited!;)

Ang

[golfmom]

I just saw this case for the first time yesterday. It has take me since then to read up on everything. Very interesting case indeed. Very strange behavior from hubby also if you ask me. I'm not afraid to jump in, just don't have much to offer at this point. But, I'm glad I was invited!;)

Ang

Heya Ang! I'm surpised you were able to wade through all that material in such a short period of time! You must be a speed reader.

If you have any questions, just hollar out and someone will help out.
:D

[Perry]

I am a frequent lurker on the site. I have become fascinated with this case because I attended Southern Virginia Univeristy a looong time ago when it was Southern Seminary Womens College. A connection that small sucked me in. Go figure.:rolleyes:

I haven't posted anything yet because it is an enormous amount of information to take in. I have hardly begun to process it all. I can't even form an intelligent question that hasn't been covered.

Thank you for the kind invitation. :blowkiss:

[PrayersForMaura]

I am a frequent lurker on the site. I have become fascinated with this case because I attended Southern Virginia Univeristy a looong time ago when it was Southern Seminary Womens College. A connection that small sucked me in. Go figure.:rolleyes:

I haven't posted anything yet because it is an enormous amount of information to take in. I have hardly begun to process it all. I can't even form an intelligent question that hasn't been covered.

Thank you for the kind invitation. :blowkiss:I am so happy that you have joined in! :)

[golfmom]

I am a frequent lurker on the site. I have become fascinated with this case because I attended Southern Virginia Univeristy a looong time ago when it was Southern Seminary Womens College. A connection that small sucked me in. Go figure.:rolleyes:

I haven't posted anything yet because it is an enormous amount of information to take in. I have hardly begun to process it all. I can't even form an intelligent question that hasn't been covered.

Thank you for the kind invitation. :blowkiss:

LOL see that didn't hurt!

Welcome to the boards!

[JenMom]

After months of lurking, here I am. Nothing to add at this point...I just enjoy reading your research & ideas.

[golfmom]

After months of lurking, here I am. Nothing to add at this point...I just enjoy reading your research & ideas.

Hey JenMom!!!!
Welcome to the boards! Don't be afraid to jump in. If you get a chance try to stop in chat this morning so we can all get to know you a little better. We're planning to meet there at 10:00 a.m. this morning.

[JerseyGirl]

After months of lurking, here I am. Nothing to add at this point...I just enjoy reading your research & ideas.Welcome JenMom!!! :)

BTW everyone - 10 A.M. Central is 11 A.M. Eastern, 9 A.M. Mountain, and 8 A.M. Pacific. Here's a link:

The official U.S. time (http://www.time.gov/)

If you're interested in converting time from a different country, do a web search for "time zone conversion". There are a ton of them but I don't have the time right now to figure out which one is best in order to post it.

I hope to get back in time to chat with you all later this morning! :)

[golfmom]

Welcome JenMom!!! :)

BTW everyone - 10 A.M. Central is 11 A.M. Eastern, 9 A.M. Mountain, and 8 A.M. Pacific. Here's a link:

The official U.S. time (http://www.time.gov/)

If you're interested in converting time from a different country, do a web search for "time zone conversion". There are a ton of them but I don't have the time right now to figure out which one is best in order to post it.
:)

LOL JG I just knew someone smart would pipe in and give us the time conversions ... :p
I'm going to go copy the info into the Conference thread.
:blowkiss:

[JerseyGirl]

LOL JG I just knew someone smart would pipe in and give us the time conversions ... :p
I'm going to go copy the info into the Conference thread.
:blowkiss:
Well, I tried to figure it out in pm so as not to show my ignorance! LOL! :) But I figured that since I wasn't positive about the conversions that there might be others that also aren't. In any case, it was unfortunately not my smarts that got that post together -- it was my web searching skills! ;)

[golfmom]

:laugh: Well, I tried to figure it out in pm so as not to show my ignorance! LOL! :) But I figured that since I wasn't positive about the conversions that there might be others that also aren't. In any case, it was unfortunately not my smarts that got that post together -- it was my web searching skills! ;)

And that is why were the Google Girls! :slap:

[JerseyGirl]

:laugh:

And that is why were the Google Girls! :slap:
:D What did we ever do before Google? <whispering> Although I must admit that it is not even close to being my favorite search engine.

[golfmom]

:D What did we ever do before Google? <whispering> Although I must admit that it is not even close to being my favorite search engine.

Do share, I always like to check out search engines! The first one I used was Inferencefind (I think) it was a long time ago and I had a tough time until google & dogpile showed up.

[PrayersForMaura]

Right now, 24 guests are logged in reading this site. I hope you can sign up and join in with us posting here.

Have a great day!

[PrayersForMaura]

Do share, I always like to check out search engines! The first one I used was Inferencefind (I think) it was a long time ago and I had a tough time until google & dogpile showed up.
I personally prefer Yahoo's search engine to Google's. Yahoo used to be a partner with Google but now they have their own search since Google went off an became <gulp> PUBLIC!

[golfmom]

I swear I can see ya'll in here lurking ... go join!
;)

[JerseyGirl]

I swear I can see ya'll in here lurking ... go join!
;)It is SO odd that you just posted this. I was thinking of typing a message to the lurkers as well because when I stopped in earlier, it was only me and 5 lurkers!

Lurkers, we're starting to run into brick walls. We could certainly use some fresh ideas & perspective! We would love for you to join us. No one can tell who you are - it is completely anonymous to other posters. All we will know about you is your chosen nickname and any information that you choose to put in your profile, (you don't need to put anything in your profile - you can leave it blank). Please help us! :)

[golfmom]

It is SO odd that you just posted this. I was thinking of typing a message to the lurkers as well because when I stopped in earlier, it was only me and 5 lurkers!

Lurkers, we're starting to run into brick walls. We could certainly use some fresh ideas & perspective! We would love for you to join us. No one can tell who you are - it is completely anonymous to other posters. All we will know about you is your chosen nickname and any information that you choose to put in your profile, (you don't need to put anything in your profile - you can leave it blank). Please help us! :)

I can top that one. I stopped by and I was the only member with 18 *guests* in this forum.

Come on! We need you ... we need fresh ideas! :banghead:

[JerseyGirl]

Come on! We need you ... we need fresh ideas! :banghead:To all of our lurkers ... in case you haven't seen it yet ... go to the Memorial thread, and please watch the video memorial that Tiffany posted today. After watching it, if you have any ideas that might help us to find some new directions to investigate, please sign up and join us. Can you tell that we're desperate? :(

[L L & S]

Hi guys, put a nic on this lurker, I've just found this forum and am catching up. Nice job with the information presented so far. I'm a leftover from the Laci & Conner case.

I'll be reading a while before I jump in much, but I did want to say Hi to all and let you know that sometimes I forget to log in before I start reading so I could be considered a lurker at times too!

To the others who might be lurking, the waters great http://bestsmileys.com/water/2.gif jump in.

[JerseyGirl]

I said it on another thread but L L & S ... I'm so glad you're joining us! :) :) :)

[golfmom]

Hi guys, put a nic on this lurker, I've just found this forum and am catching up. Nice job with the information presented so far. I'm a leftover from the Laci & Conner case.

I'll be reading a while before I jump in much, but I did want to say Hi to all and let you know that sometimes I forget to log in before I start reading so I could be considered a lurker at times too!

To the others who might be lurking, the waters great http://bestsmileys.com/water/2.gif jump in.

:croc: See that didn't hurt at all!

Thank you so much for unlurking and joining the mayhem and madness!

[Marstan]

Ah Golfmom, so much to read, so little time to post. Just wanted to say hello to you and say GOOD WORK - this is a very interesting case. :woohoo:

[golfmom]

Ah Golfmom, so much to read, so little time to post. Just wanted to say hello to you and say GOOD WORK - this is a very interesting case. :woohoo:

Marstan! Welcome to madness and chaos. Thanks for poking your nose in to say hello.
Pretty soon you can join our head banging club! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[KT Can]

Pretty soon you can join our head banging club! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I am still getting caught up on this case and so far all of my comments or questions have already been posted by others. I am a professional registered lurker but will certainly jump in should I have something intelligent to offer. For now I remain in the "lurkers head banging club" :banghead::banghead::banghead:

[lauriej]

welcome kc!

...and please don't be concerned if something "has already been said".......

...that was then.....this is now............your comments are always welcome.......( even if they echo something previously posted.....)

...comments, speculation, fresh insight, feel free to jump in wherever you like..

...lj.

[JerseyGirl]

...and please don't be concerned if something "has already been said".......

...that was then.....this is now............your comments are always welcome.......( even if they echo something previously posted.....)In fact, we talk ourselves in complete circles so we often forget things that were said before. (Or is it just me? :blushing: )

[Marathon.Man]

Hi everyone. I am one of the many who has been interested in the developements of this case. I worked with Raven almost 3 years ago. I didn't know him extremely well, because he worked as an outside rep. in the Virginia area. I did spend a week with him in the DC area visiting customers. From what I knew of him and what people here in the office have told me about him, your observations of his character seem to be pretty close.

I would love to see some developements in this case. Don't know if I can contribute much, but I am interested to see where this goes.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Hi everyone. I am one of the many who has been interested in the developements of this case. I worked with Raven almost 3 years ago. I didn't know him extremely well, because he worked as an outside rep. in the Virginia area. I did spend a week with him in the DC area visiting customers. From what I knew of him and what people here in the office have told me about him, your observations of his character seem to be pretty close.

I would love to see some developements in this case. Don't know if I can contribute much, but I am interested to see where this goes.
Welcome Marathon.Man!

New members often bring new insights, ideas, and observations....and in this case, we can use them all!

Perhaps when you have some time, you can go to the general discussion thread, or elsewhere, and post any particular recollections you might have about Raven and/or Janet? As I've said before, I think that each and every piece of information we have, especially firsthand observation, is valuable - if for no other reaon, than to provide insight(s) on what makes a person "tick."

Thanks, and again, welcome!

[JerseyGirl]

I'm so happy that you've decided to join us Marathon.Man! :)

Here's hoping that together, we will see this case resolved, one way or another.

[snapple]

I have to admit Golfmom, you are the one that got me hooked on this case and actually got me to sign up when you called to us "lurkers.":blowkiss:

[ewwwinteresting]

I have to admit Golfmom, you are the one that got me hooked on this case and actually got me to sign up when you called to us "lurkers.":blowkiss:
Wow snapple.....nothing like hitting the ground running :) Welcome and we look forward to your opinions and sleuthing in this case. I agree with you, GM is great! We have many great sleuthers posting here and glad you joined in!

[juliagoulia]

I have to admit Golfmom, you are the one that got me hooked on this case and actually got me to sign up when you called to us "lurkers."
I miss GolfMom! :(

[JerseyGirl]

Where is golfmom??? GM, we miss you terribly. :( :( :(

[JnTC]

Like several others, I've been "lurking" for quite some time, and decided to make myself "known". I played soccer with Janet at SVU and am completely saddened and dumbfounded by this whole thing. I knew Raven, also, but not well, since they were living apart while she was at school. I am so grateful to all of you for giving all of us something to grasp onto, since we are hearing nothing from anywhere else. I hope to get more involved later, but since there have been no developments in MONTHS... I don't really have anything to say. Thanks again for keeping Janet and her family in your hearts and prayers.

[lauriej]

welcome JnTC...!

...my deepest symathies go out to you, and all who personally knew janet..

...it has been awhile since we've heard any new developments, my belief is that LE is slowly but surely building a solid case , it seems like a slow process as they wait in line to hear back from the raleigh crime lab....

...i know that she is in the prayers of many here, we will see justice for janet...

[JerseyGirl]

A heartfelt welcome to you, JnTC. :)

[L L & S]

Like several others, I've been "lurking" for quite some time, and decided to make myself "known". I played soccer with Janet at SVU and am completely saddened and dumbfounded by this whole thing. I knew Raven, also, but not well, since they were living apart while she was at school. I am so grateful to all of you for giving all of us something to grasp onto, since we are hearing nothing from anywhere else. I hope to get more involved later, but since there have been no developments in MONTHS... I don't really have anything to say. Thanks again for keeping Janet and her family in your hearts and prayers.
Welcome JnTC!

[ItsMe]

I’ve been following this case since the day after Janet was murdered and read all the media coverage that I could find. I was reading Mr. AG’s site which led me to this one. I’ve been lurking for over a month. I’ve been searching everyday for even just a tiny bit of information that says Raven didn’t do this. I do not want Raven to be a killer. The thought makes me sick to my stomach. I haven’t ever posted because I need to believe he is innocent and the little I know about him makes me question this. However, I know you all are just trying to find justice for Janet. So, keep up the good work & here goes nothing……..

Ok, here is what I know about Raven. I only met him through mutual friends, and we only hung out for a night. He was very charming and we all had lots of fun. I really liked him. He stayed in touch with my friend and even set them up with one of his friends. He used to work for HP before going to Eurosport so he is definitely computer savvy. Anyway, I would imagine it to be very difficult to sale computers and equipment if he wasn’t. It’s rumored that another one of his friends who also use to worked at HP was let go for suspicion of embezzlement and it was the same type of thing……..taking equipment and turning a personal profit. However if it is true, maybe Raven knew about it and knew that he was never arrested so he thought that he could get away with it. Who knows what Raven was thinking? I remember when he got the job with Eurosport and how excited he was to be working in the soccer industry. I also remember when he and Janet split and he said they were for sure getting a divorce. Then not too long after they decided to give it another go because she was pregnant. My friend has also told me that Raven said that he struggled with depression sometimes (don’t you love the he said that she said that he said????? Sorry).
I was completly shocked to read that his mother was/is a welfare mom because he went to one of the richest high schools in the sate of Utah. Only 8% of the students are on free or reduced lunches compared to the 23% state average. http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/other/ut/408 (http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/other/ut/408) Also, there is really only one neighborhood that I can even imagine having state assisted housing in it (in school boundaries). I can understand his taste to live the good life; having gone to that same school. The homecoming queen is paraded around the football field riding in a convertible Porsche or some very expensive fancy vehicle owned by a parent of the student driving it. Kids get brand new top of the line cars to drive to school when they turn 16. Kids spend $400.00 on a casual dance. I would imagine it was very hard to watch his friends get all of these things and know he could never have them. And, I’m sure this all attributed to his financial down fall and why material things seem to be so important.

On the “Good Mormon” front, this might not just be someone that he pretends to be. Maybe the “Good Mormon” is the guy that he wishes to be. If he was making amends for the embezzlement & alledged affairs (on the spiritual side) he would definitely be feeling remorse because it’s part of the repentance process. My hat’s off to NCBanker who has done a wonderful job in keeping everyone informed and answering question about the LDS church. However, just a little clarification that many members don’t know. A Bishop is actually in charge of the welfare of all people that live within his ward boundaries members (active & inactive) and non-members alike. As members of the church we are like a family and we try to “bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light; mourn with those that mourn; and comfort those that stand in need of comfort”. http://scriptures.lds.org/query/marked?id=1120084020846 (http://scriptures.lds.org/query/marked?id=1120084020846) We are also taught to forgive all men their trespasses. And I’m sure this is why members of Raven’s ward were willing to help him despite the committed felony embezzlements (if they even had any knowledge at all). Sorry this is so very very long!! I should’ve piped up a long time ago.

[juliagoulia]

Thanks for joining ItsMe. I posted a question for you under the Embezzelment thread. Thanks again for your thoughts and sharing what you know!

[ewwwinteresting]

Hey, way to join us ItsMe....we look forward to your insight!

[reportergirl]

Hello everyone,

It has been awhile since my last post, and I haven't really made that many posts for that matter. I am just so personally linked to this case, I read up and follow along. I wish I was closer to N.C. so I could do more research.

Let me know if I can answer any questions for anyone.

Thanks;)

[terminatrixator]

Where is the media attention on this case Reporter Girl? What was Raven wearing when he went to play soccer? Did he have a soccer bag? How long was he at the soccer game? Who saw him there? How did he act?

That's it for me right now, but I'll have more for sure

Justice for Janet!!!

[reportergirl]

Termi--

I wish there was more out there in the media, but I am not working this story, I grew up with Raven and his family and have known him for a very long time. I only know what I've read here and what I've heard from my family, and Raven's family really hasn't reached out to anyone in the neighborhood. They are staying very closed up about it all, which can you blame them?

[lauriej]

Termi--

I wish there was more out there in the media, but I am not working this story, I grew up with Raven and his family and have known him for a very long time. I only know what I've read here and what I've heard from my family, and Raven's family really hasn't reached out to anyone in the neighborhood. They are staying very closed up about it all, which can you blame them?
...i know we're on the same side reportergirl.......

...and, yes i do "blame them", raven....his family..........if they are NOT reaching out in some way,.... let's presume they feel he's innocent, ( and he may be ) .......why are they NOT contacting media? NOT asking for help in some fashion ? NOT screaming from the rooftops looking for the killer ???NO-ONE is pounding the pavement asking for justice ?! NO-ONE is proclaiming raven's innocence?! why???????????NO-ONE is demanding answers of LE??

...THAT is what bothers me..................NO-ONE is supporting raven.........publicly.............does he, and his family, think that by silence this case.................a MURDER case...................will just go away ?

[reportergirl]

Lauriej-


Well, that's exactly what I think they're thinking. Often times when a family encounters something tramatic where there is a lot of speculation, the family closes up. It's not just to the media, from what my family has said, they are closing up to everyone.

I know firsthand that this is NOT the best way to handle things like this. If they don't give the media and public some kind of information, it leaves it up to the media to speculate, always worse than speaking for yourself. I don't know what to say. But, I can say, I've worked with a lot of families in tramatic situations and you either get one of two responses--closing up completely, or speaking out a lot.

[Jess]

I'm a long time lurker on this board. I have nothing to add - just waiting to see how or if things develop. I suppose when the DNA comes back ? the LE will either arrest the husband or completely exonerate him ? It's just a waiting game, now isn't it ?
Does he have a lawyer ? I gather he had one for the embezzlement charges...is it the same one he would have retained for the murder of his wife ? to protect his "rights" ?

[LTUlegal]

btw, hi, Mars!!

I have to say that it makes me wonder, when I happen to be reading this thread at o'dark thirty at night, and there are 2, 3, 4 GUESTS reading the forum. It really makes me wonder WHO they are? Could it be the KILLER reading this? Could it be LE? If so, I hope we're giving them enough things to look at, if they haven't already. But really, WHO ARE THEY???? Guests? Speak up!

[L L & S]

Jess...........

lets have some coffee!!

[Jess]

Jess...........

lets have some coffee!!
I'm on my second cup !!! Where are you ?? Did you finally fall asleep ??


Good posts L L & S
This is such a perplexing case in which the LE seems to be taking a LONG time to get down to the nitty gritty. Perhaps Raven is innocent - but he sure isn't shouting it from the roof tops is he ? He sure isn't acting like a man who really cares what happened to his wife. More interested in'getting" on with his life ? Sheesh, if anything happened to me, I would hope my husband would show a little more concern.

[terminatrixator]

Long morning already. Where's my cup of. Today is going to be a busy day, maybe we will get more news today.

[golfmom]

Long morning already. Where's my cup of. Today is going to be a busy day, maybe we will get more news today.

The only news today I want is his A$$ arrested.

[golfmom]

We can see you . . . ;)

[Moxie]

We can see you . . . ;)
Wow - there are a lot of lurkers on today!

[JerseyGirl]

You know how you can click on a name and it tells you when the member joined, etc.? What does it mean when you click on one and it tells you that you don't have permission to access the page??? And how is it possible that the same names for which that happens do not appear in the members list?

[golfmom]

You know how you can click on a name and it tells you when the member joined, etc.? What does it mean when you click on one and it tells you that you don't have permission to access the page??? And how is it possible that the same names for which that happens do not appear in the members list?

Never fear, within 24 or so hours you have access.

[terminatrixator]

Whenever I see this thread I feel like Glenda, the good witch (me? good bwaha) singing "Come out, Come out, where ever you are."

[JerseyGirl]

Never fear, within 24 or so hours you have access.So does that mean that they're new members?

[LTUlegal]

Ollie Ollie Oxen Free!!!

[L L & S]

who's Ollie and why is he giving away his oxen for free?

[LTUlegal]

who's Ollie and why is he giving away his oxen for free?
Rflmao!! Um, why don't you get your fishnets on & do a lil ditty? Can I make the first request? Let's do the timewarp again!!:crazy:

[L L & S]

it's just a jump to the left
and a step to the ri - yi - yi - yi - yight
put your hands on your hips
and bring your knees in ti - yight!


Hey girl, going out to do some school shopping. Have a safe trip and Happy Birthday Chef. I'll email you anything interesting on Raven that comes up over the weekend, but for goodness sakes do not check your email on MY account.:blowkiss:

[LTUlegal]

it's just a jump to the left
and a step to the ri - yi - yi - yi - yight
put your hands on your hips
and bring your knees in ti - yight!


Hey girl, going out to do some school shopping. Have a safe trip and Happy Birthday Chef. I'll email you anything interesting on Raven that comes up over the weekend, but for goodness sakes do not check your email on MY account.:blowkiss:
Thank you, honey...well, at least you already have some of their purchases made, huh? Open my e-mail? Of course I will! Right back atcha & Chef says thanks! :blowkiss:

[golfmom]

I swear we got a higher class of lurkers joining us the last go round. :blowkiss:

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: :laugh: I swear we got a higher class of lurkers joining us the last go round. :blowkiss:
I agree gm! Can you call out the "not so weird" lurkers next time? :)

[JerseyGirl]

Now that this forum has become so quiet, we need you lurkers more than ever. Over four months has passed and there's still no arrest. What are we missing? Please join us with your fresh perspectives. We need your input and we need to keep this forum active! Perhaps there are possibilities that we're overlooking?

[lauriej]

..........i also implore "lurkers" to please register and post your views............

...i'm so often now alone at night to post a little here and there.............but 4 or 5 nights ago was SHOCKED to see NINE guests here with me.........!
...something brought you here................please register.............( it's anonymous!!!)

...we have so little NEW info to go on each day..............perhaps you have some tiny new thing to bring to this case...........

[winteryns]

I am a lurker. I am sorry that I am not able to provide any new info-I wish I could. Patients...all good things come to those who wait. ;)

[chicoliving]

Welcome winteryns! Congrats on your first post :)

[JerseyGirl]

I am a lurker. I am sorry that I am not able to provide any new info-I wish I could. Patients...all good things come to those who wait. ;)Thank you for coming out to say hi! And for encouraging us to be patient. We've definitely gotten to the point where we can't think of much else to do but it seems like forever waiting for something to happen. And the longer it takes for something to happen, the more we tend to think that we've overlooked something.

Thanks again for your first post! I hope you'll feel free to jump in any time you'd like - it's great to have you here! :)

[winteryns]

Welcome winteryns! Congrats on your first post :)Thank you for the warm welcome. I have been reading about this elsewhere and still trying to take it all in so I am no position to give any opinion on info, facts, etc.

[golfmom]

:laugh: Thank you for the warm welcome. I have been reading about this elsewhere and still trying to take it all in so I am no position to give any opinion on info, facts, etc.

Trust me when I say that doesn't stop me! Jump in anywhere, we're glad to have you!

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: Trust me when I say that doesn't stop me!
What you talkin' 'bout GM...your posts are full of your opinion, info and facts? :)

[terminatrixator]

Eww you are right, I don't know how to characterize my posts, a friend called me terminatrixatormasterravenbaterhater, but, that's so out of characteristic for me.:D

[lauriej]

Thank you for the warm welcome. I have been reading about this elsewhere and still trying to take it all in so I am no position to give any opinion on info, facts, etc.
..........thank you so much for "coming out" and taking the time to register.......

...i'm glad to see you've been reading of the case "elsewhere".........glad to see there IS an elsewhere.........
...and hey......opinions are just that...............feel free to post yours........good, bad, or ugly................it all counts.......


.......welcome winteryns.......

[ewwwinteresting]

a friend called me terminatrixatormasterravenbaterhater
Really?? I don't get that at all from your posts:rolleyes:

[JerseyGirl]

It's been great to see new names showing up lately, and having new input. The invitation still stands for all of our lurkers to sign up and join us. If you're not comfortable posting, I invite you to let your opinion be heard in the polls. The polls are all anonymous unless noted on the individual poll.

If you still choose not to join, I'd like to offer my thanks, nonetheless, to all of you that keep coming back to monitor the progress on the case.

[Jenifred]

Lots and lots of buzz today. I haven't seen this much activity here for awhile. It's refreshing. Now if we can just get those looking around to post........

What are you waiting for? The water's great! Jump on in.

[JerseyGirl]

Lots of guests tonight.

[JerseyGirl]

Lots of guests tonight.Now there's only one.

[ewwwinteresting]

Now there's only one.
Gee JG, did ya scare them all off??:croc:

[terminatrixator]

Gee JG, did ya scare them all off??:croc:
EI, it was probably me that did that, I'm not the world most gentle poster. :D

[JerseyGirl]

Gee JG, did ya scare them all off??:croc:No, it definitely was terminatrixator. lol.

I was hopeful that someone new might join us but as it turned out, all but one of the guests disappeared shortly after I wrote that. :(

[terminatrixator]

No, it definitely was terminatrixator. lol.

I was hopeful that someone new might join us but as it turned out, all but one of the guests disappeared shortly after I wrote that. :(
LMAO!;)

[juliagoulia]

12 now...please join us!

[Jenifred]

Wow! 12 lurkers! Haven't seen that in awhile. Join in!

[juliagoulia]

You don't have to have any inside information to post (though we would love it if you do). Just say, "Hi" and tell us what intrigues you about his case.

[L L & S]

You don't have to have any inside information to post (though we would love it if you do). Just say, "Hi" and tell us what intrigues you about his case.
I'm bored, can't sleep... you guest that are signed in find anything helpful? Got anything new to add?

[Jenifred]

I feel like I'm at a costume party and can't tell who's there with me. 6 guests tonight and only me posting.

Join in!!

Now there's 7!

[kimiden]

Hi. I've been a lurker for months and months but my curiosity has finally pushed me into posting. This is my first time posting so I hope I don't do anything wrong! I don't want to get into trouble!

There have been a couple of things that I cannot get out of my mind. First, when I began reading about this case (I did not know Janet or Raven), my first thought was "I bet she was pregnant and her husband killed her." Of course, we learned that she was in fact pregnant.

Second thing I wanted to discuss (and maybe it has been discussed and I've missed it - if that's the case, be patient with me, I'm new!) I went to the Tears for Janet website. I immediately noticed that her married name was not on the home page. Janet was described as everything but a "wife."

If (and I don't know this to be a fact) her family is responsible for the website doesn't it speak volumes as to why her married name wasn't added and there was no mention of her being the wife of Raven? (Although, there are pictures of Janet and Raven in the gallery).

I haven't read where her family has publicly accused him, but sometimes what isn't spoken is more important than what is said.

[juliagoulia]

Welcome to WS Kimiden. Thank you for coming out to play!

I also noticed the things you did about tearsforjanet.com. However, in the tributes and memorial section, some of Janet's friends mention her relationship with Raven as a positive thing. I don't think the family is responsible for all of the content on the site, but I really don't know. And as far as I am aware, the family has never been asked by the media to comment on Raven's innocence/guilt.

I've always found it interesting, that Raven--if innocent--never thought to do such a memorial website himself. He definitely had a very active online life (as the great sleuthers on this site have uncovered). He had a whole page on his private site dedicated to his stupid VX.

Anyway...thanks for posting. Look forward to hearing more from you!

[L L & S]

Hi. I've been a lurker for months and months but my curiosity has finally pushed me into posting. This is my first time posting so I hope I don't do anything wrong! I don't want to get into trouble!

There have been a couple of things that I cannot get out of my mind. First, when I began reading about this case (I did not know Janet or Raven), my first thought was "I bet she was pregnant and her husband killed her." Of course, we learned that she was in fact pregnant.

Second thing I wanted to discuss (and maybe it has been discussed and I've missed it - if that's the case, be patient with me, I'm new!) I went to the Tears for Janet website. I immediately noticed that her married name was not on the home page. Janet was described as everything but a "wife."

If (and I don't know this to be a fact) her family is responsible for the website doesn't it speak volumes as to why her married name wasn't added and there was no mention of her being the wife of Raven? (Although, there are pictures of Janet and Raven in the gallery).

I haven't read where her family has publicly accused him, but sometimes what isn't spoken is more important than what is said.
"Welcome...

As you can see Tears For Janet is a loving work in progress. While not every page is open to the public yet, we are working diligently on getting those last few pages ready for visitors." from the Tears for Janet website.


.... maybe it's not finished yet. :o A very loving person linked it here before the site was completed. So many of us have been watching it grow before our eyes. Have patience and I'm sure the whole thing will flow together better once all the information and tributes have been posted. Thanks for joining WS and posting with us. You should of joined in a lot sooner!! Welcome!!

[kimiden]

I understand that the website is a work in progress and my observation was not intended to be negative in any way. It is a beautiful memorial!

My point was that she was described in so many ways, including a mother, BUT NOT as a wife. I couldn’t help but wonder if they felt a sense of betrayal by her husband and chose not to include that part of her life in the memorial.

My thinking is, if my family were to write a memorial for me, they would include the part of my life that I shared with my husband. But, if my family felt that my husband betrayed me in some manner, they would exclude that portion of my life, as it wouldn’t be a positive reflection of how they would want to remember me.

I hope I’m explaining myself in a clear manner . . .

I was just wondering if there was an unspoken sentiment that the family would rather not have her remembered as the wife of Raven Abaroa.

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

I too find it interesting that her friends and family never talk about her as a wife or mention Raven aside from one line that says Kaiden lives with his dad. Interesting how the wording has been written.

[L L & S]

You explain yourself very well Kimiden.... no worries there at all. R and G and you both have a point. I suppose they could talk about all of his many affairs, embezzeling, and all his "big boy" toys. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see how it evolves.

But you both are right.... it does speak volumes. Oh and I looked further... Raven is mentioned 4 times on the website, not including the media reports or the photos. But you're absolutely correct, it's not much. It surprised me to see so many pictures of him in the gallery. Isn't Kaiden a adorable. He has grown so much since the baby photos that we've all seen were posted.

The whole thing is so terribly sad.

[terminatrixator]

Bet everyone is grateful I had no hand in the making of Tears For Janet lol....there would have been less pictures with The Raven in it and there would have been no mention in it of his name whatsoever, but that's just me.

I was going to sign the guest book, but I just don't know how. I seem to only know how to snap and go off, and I don't want to sully the beautiful site, with my thoughts, theories and loathing of The Raven.

I wonder why RAVEN did not bother to build a Memorial Website, or even bother to post anything about the MURDER of his Wife and Unborn Child. After all, he has made SEVERAL sites himself and is internet savvy enough to talk about HIMSELF enough in the past!

To the family and friends of Janet who made the Memorial Website, thank you, it's wonderful someone did this and again, I'm so very sorry for your loss.

[terminatrixator]

I too find it interesting that her friends and family never talk about her as a wife or mention Raven aside from one line that says Kaiden lives with his dad. Interesting how the wording has been written.
What I find interesting is that Raven hasn't bothered to do anything special for Janet.

I also noticed that too regarding not much about Raven, but I think it has a tribute section and i guess he could submit his own tribute, like others had. The main thing I'm trying to say is the site is about Janet and not about Raven. Raven had many months to make up a site for his Murdered Wife and unborn child, and didn't bother. The site is TearsforJanet not TearsforRaven and if he did a site for Janet it would probably be nothing but him whining about his life, like all his other sites.

He seemed to move on with his life, without a second glance at Janet and his unborn child. It took how long before Raven started dating? Not long.

I notice that Raven hasn't bothered taking a polygraph, or even DENYING involvement in her Murder, so for that reason, I'm glad that the site doesn't seem to have Raven all over it. I had that enough in the past with Ravenstree and his other sites.

[lauriej]

TRIX :
"What I find interesting is that Raven hasn't bothered to do anything special for Janet. "

..i don't find it so much "interesting", more along the lines of disgusting and unbelievable......

..'the raven' obviously has the capabilities to put something out there , he did quite well on the 'ravenstree' site............

..if innocent.........( yes, i'm gagging even typing the word) ....wouldn't he have been all ove LE, demanding justice, dying to know who could have possibly done this to his loving wife ? yet we've never seen the "OH MY GOD , who did this ????????????????????and WHY?????" from raven............we've just never seen anything at all............

..he continues to move forward in his own life, completely forgetting the past.......
..i would have at least expected, ( innocent or guilty ) that he would have posted a GLOWING triute on the tearsforjanet site.......for appearances sake if nothing else........

..that's your defense raven ? zero ? zilch, nada, nothing ?
..are you hoping this will all just go away if you ignore it ?
..this is murder raven------------nothing is "going away"....get used to it.

[ewwwinteresting]

TRIX :
"What I find interesting is that Raven hasn't bothered to do anything special for Janet. "

..i don't find it so much "interesting", more along the lines of disgusting and unbelievable......

..'the raven' obviously has the capabilities to put something out there , he did quite well on the 'ravenstree' site............

..if innocent.........( yes, i'm gagging even typing the word) ....wouldn't he have been all ove LE, demanding justice, dying to know who could have possibly done this to his loving wife ? yet we've never seen the "OH MY GOD , who did this ????????????????????and WHY?????" from raven............we've just never seen anything at all............

..he continues to move forward in his own life, completely forgetting the past.......
..i would have at least expected, ( innocent or guilty ) that he would have posted a GLOWING triute on the tearsforjanet site.......for appearances sake if nothing else........

..that's your defense raven ? zero ? zilch, nada, nothing ?
..are you hoping this will all just go away if you ignore it ?
..this is murder raven------------nothing is "going away"....get used to it.

Exactly!

[caffeinatd]

I live about 1 mile from where the murder occured, I go past that street several times a week and wonder where the investigation is going. This site is very good, but why no arrest yet? Does LE not see what you guys do? I find it very disturbing, and wonder why they let him leave the state after his guilty plea. :mad:

[terminatrixator]

Welcome Caffeinatd,

The Embezzlement Charges were due to The Raven embezzling from Eurosports, which happens to be located in Orange County.

The Murder of beautiful Janet Marie and her unborn child happened in Durham, NC, Durham County.

The Raven left the State of North Carolina quite quickly after the Murder of Janet and her unborn child, and he moved to Sandy, Utah to go live with his Mother, Karyn and her husband, Jim Bolton, much prior to the hearing on his embezzlement case.

This was in a different county and the Judge could not consider the fact that Raven's wife had so mysteriously been murdered in April 2005. I looked into this myself, and had the Judge been contacted prior by an outside source, he would have had to recluse himself from the case, so I dropped it after finding out the legal aspects of this.

In August, Raven flew back home, like a thief in the night. His case was scheduled to be heard at the end of a week in August, and somehow the case got moved up a few days, with no notice. We luckily figured out something weird was going on when it disappeared from the docket and made sure there was a reporter waiting outside for him. You can look through the threads and perhaps find the ridiculous interview he provided, and notice the look of shock on his face when he realized, he wasn't able to sneak into North Carolina and out without being noticed.

He worked out a plea agreement, and truthfully, don't know if the Murder of Janet would have mattered in this even if the Judge was aware.

Unfortunately, Law Enforcement had no legal grounds to hold him, just because his wife was murdered. As of this date, no POI or Suspect has been named, but obviously, if you have lurked here for a while, you would see that I am of the full belief that he is STONE COLD GUILTY!

Right now, it seems like a circumstantial evidence case and perhaps LE is holding out for more information to be sure to be able to go for First Degree Murder.

Again, welcome to Websleuths, and please chime in if you need any help finding information here, please feel free to post it and someone will be happy to help you with any questions you may have.

[lauriej]

I live about 1 mile from where the murder occured, I go past that street several times a week and wonder where the investigation is going. This site is very good, but why no arrest yet? Does LE not see what you guys do? I find it very disturbing, and wonder why they let him leave the state after his guilty plea. :mad:
..i'm certain that LE sees exactly what we all do, but don't want to risk 'double jeopardy' in bringing this case to trial until it's a "done deal--guilty in the 1st degree "......

..given that LE has not named any POI's or suspects, and the tight time-frame of TOD , raven puts no-one but himself right at the crime scene ..

..his 911 call, "my wife is upstairs---------hurt---maybe shot?------"call was ridiculous and callous then.....(his wife was upstairs and "hurt"?-------while he's apparently downstairs and NOT trying to help her ?) and even moreso as details unfolded...

..she had not been shot------------she had been stabbed-----------and was not "hurt", she was very much dead when raven made the 911 call.........

..surely even he could have made the distinction..............so why all of the lies from raven right from the start ?

[ewwwinteresting]

I wish they would release that 911 call!!!

[JerseyGirl]

I wish they would release that 911 call!!!I was just thinking that myself. I want to know two things:

1) Was Raven making the call as he was running back upstairs or was he standing downstairs while talking to 911?

2) Was Raven TOLD to go get crying Kaiden from his crib?

[lauriej]

oh yeah, there's a ton of things i'd like to know regarding the 911 call........

..was he calm ? or frantic ?
..calling from the house? the yard? upstairs with janet ? on her phone, or his, (which he said he had left out in the truck ?)

..was he covered in blood when LE arrived? as he should have been, since he should have been trying to help her.......

..was kaiden also covered in blood ?, from raven, when he grabbed him from the crib..........surely instinct would have had him do so........

..did the 911 operator 'walk him/talkhim' through steps to help his wife, "who had been "hurt",possibly shot'? (as raven had said )............and if so is there proof that he tried at all ?

..was he upstairs with janet when LE arrived, holding his dying wife and showing emotion....................or outside , as if waiting for a pizza delivery ?

[terminatrixator]

EWW I would love to hear that 911 call myself.

I would like to hear the 911 call and see what he said when they got there. I would love to know all the questions they asked of him, and exactly what time he left the Police Station. I would like to know why they didn't polygraph him that night, I would like to know when the first mention of having an attorney was.

So many things. I would like to know why he told the Man who picked him up from the Police Station to tell Janet's famiy that Janet committed suicide. What was his motivation for that? I would like to know many many things, including why he lied so desperately on his Monster resumes. I would like to know exactly how he explained himself to the family and how they can believe him, though he's been known to lie desperately in the past, I would like to know why they believe his innocence, when he has been known to have affairs and he's a thief.

I would like to know if he had indeed embezzled in the past from his previous employer and the exact reason why he was let go from Cingular.

I would like to know why he lies, denies and has gone on with his lilfe with no cares in the world.

I would like to know why he Murdered Janet and the baby she was carrying.

[JerseyGirl]

..was kaiden also covered in blood ?, from raven, when he grabbed him from the crib..........surely instinct would have had him do so........I'll have to check back through the threads sometime when I get a chance. I could have sworn that someone said that Kaiden was still in his crib until Raven was instructed to get him.

[lauriej]

..i remember that as well jersey, and did some searching through the "old threads".....considerable search, but didn't come up with "the" post that i was looking for..

..but wow!

..those early posts were quite detailed.......................quite informative......

..good 'sleuthing' going on , raven must have been practically passing out as he read the things uncovered :)

..the good news , of course LE has all of the earlier things etc printed off and has a huge file on raven............i anticipate an arrest in the very near future......

[JerseyGirl]

..good 'sleuthing' going on , raven must have been practically passing out as he read the things uncovered :)

..the good news , of course LE has all of the earlier things etc printed off and has a huge file on raven............i anticipate an arrest in the very near future......Very true. And I hope that Raven realizes that even if there's nothing being said at this point in time, the incriminating things are still out there and still in all of our collective memories.

[terminatrixator]

I'll have to check back through the threads sometime when I get a chance. I could have sworn that someone said that Kaiden was still in his crib until Raven was instructed to get him. That's what I heard also JG. Kaiden was crying and Raven was instructed to get Kaiden. But was this another one of Raven's explanations.

But then again, most of the things Raven has stated has been lies, which have been proven. The thing is I don't know if Raven knows who he told what to anymore, we have so many inconsistent statements from the guy, that it gets blurred.

Hot, Cold, shot, stabbed, alive, dead, on her knees on her back, but there are records of these things and this murderer will not get away with it, imo.

[golfmom]

That's what I heard also JG. Kaiden was crying and Raven was instructed to get Kaiden. But was this another one of Raven's explanations.

But then again, most of the things Raven has stated has been lies, which have been proven. The thing is I don't know if Raven knows who he told what to anymore, we have so many inconsistent statements from the guy, that it gets blurred.

Hot, Cold, shot, stabbed, alive, dead, on her knees on her back, but there are records of these things and this murderer will not get away with it, imo.

Trixie, the story always seems to change depending on who's the audience. Nothing like playing for the crowd.

[LTUlegal]

Trixie, the story always seems to change depending on who's the audience. Nothing like playing for the crowd.
Hey, GM! Good to see you!!
Yes, Raven does like to play for the audience, doesn't he?

[L L & S]

hey look at all the guests logged on to see what happened on NG last night...... tell us what you think.... tell us what compelled you over.... tell us why you lurk......

[winteryns]

I lurk often. I came on to see what everyone was saying about the spot Nancy Grace did. I had to post when I notice some people just don't have anything nice to say. I for one am very happy it showed and don't want to say to much more or I may get banned.:eek:

[caffeinatd]

:cool: Wow...11 lurkers tonight...