Steve Groene

[Liz]

5/24
Father not a suspect in killings, disappearances

http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_052405_steven-groene.2a73f811c.html

The father of two missing children is not a suspect in their disappearance or the beating deaths of three people at their home near Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. >>> more at link

[Liz]

I am assuming (I know, not good lol) it is okay to post Steve's statement in it's entirety since it is a public statement. He issued it Monday evening, May 23rd.

STATEMENT OF STEVE GROENE

I wish to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt appreciation for the thousands of individuals in our local community and around the nation who have offered their support and their prayers throughout this terrible ordeal. I also wish to publicly thank the men and women in law enforcement, here and across the nation, who have selflessly done everything they can to ensure the safe return of Dylan and Shasta. I am confident that they will bring to justice the animal or animals who beat to death my 13 year old son Slade, his mother Brenda and Mark Mckenzie.

I have made every effort to promptly respond to the members of the media so that the account of my
missing children would be widespread to help in their safe return. I must now ask to have the private time to grieve as I prepare to bury my son Slade, and as I continue to pray for the safe return of Dylan and Shasta. I ask the members of the media to respect my privacy.

I have said all that I can say and know, and I do not want to take away from the resources to find my children. Because of a few very tragic, well publicized murders, family members now seem to often be the focus of public suspicion and gossip. In this instance, any such thoughts serve only to add to the cruelty of our loss. I can assure you that neither any family member nor I could ever possibly be so barbaric and evil. In that regard I appreciate the kind words of sheriff?s Captain Ben Wolfinger and journalist Geraldo Rivera in response to the few questions and innuendo of that nature.

I will continue to fully cooperate and communicate with local law enforcement and the other responsible agencies that have the difficult task of solving this heinous crime. Further public communications, however, will be made through a designated family representative, as I am certain everyone can appreciate and understand.

Sincerely,

Steve Groene

[Amster]

I have a question. On Geraldos show last week-end, Vance was saying the dogs were biters and would be impossible to get by if a stranger. The next thing I heard was the sheriff saying, no, dogs no problem. How many dogs were there and what kind?

[Rle7]

I have a question. On Geraldos show last week-end, Vance was saying the dogs were biters and would be impossible to get by if a stranger. The next thing I heard was the sheriff saying, no, dogs no problem. How many dogs were there and what kind?
They had two dogs, a Springer spaniel and a 90lb. pit bull.

[Liz]

I have a question. On Geraldos show last week-end, Vance was saying the dogs were biters and would be impossible to get by if a stranger. The next thing I heard was the sheriff saying, no, dogs no problem. How many dogs were there and what kind?


I'm not positive, Amster. But, I do know that Vance said (on Geraldo) that there was a 90 lb pit bull, which he made sound like his dog. And, he stated (on Geraldo) that his mom had a "full bred Brittany Spaniel", which he claimed had bitten neighbor, Bob Hollingsworth (?). (Someone please correct me on that name, if it's not right.)

Last night in my online researching, I read where Jesse said last time he talked to his mother (Sat, 5/14), she told him she had taken in a stray dog, out of the goodness of her heart.

And I heard, as you did, Capt Wolfinger say that they had no problem accessing the property, due to any 'bad dogs'. In fact, I could have sworn he even made the pit bull out to be 'submissive'. Normally dogs that are 'beaten' become submissive, from what I know. Or who knows, maybe the dog just respected 'authority'. ;)

So, it's anyone's guess but it sounds like at least 2 or 3 dogs.

ETA: Ooops RLE! Sorry, didn't mean to step on your post. I'm multitasking, and slow. ;)

[Rle7]

No problem Liz. Your post was more informative, by the way. Those poor dogs, it's too bad they cannot speak up and tell who did this.

[Amster]

Thanks to you both! I didn't have any intention of becomming interested in this case.....but I have no will power, it seems. Such a mystery. And so sad.

Again, thanks for the info! I find it interesting that Vance and the sheriff had differing stories on the dogs. Perhaps it was the stray that the sheriff said came up to the investigators to be fed? And a docile pit bull? Is there such a thing?

[Amster]

oooops....maybe not the sheriff, I think they are calling him Captain

[fundiva]

Maybe the dogs had been put into another room with the door closed when all this happened. I know when we have a get together (lke the barbeque) and don't want to worry about the dogs, we will put them into another part of the house and close the doors. Because the pit bull had bitten before they might have been concerned about having a lot of people around and took this precaution. This could be why the dogs were barking so much that the neighbor noticed when he went over. Just a thought. Has anyone heard what part of the house the dogs were in?

[Liz]

That's a good thought, fundiva. Maybe the dogs were closed up a room. But then investigators said there was evidence in every room.

I just caught some video footage of the family & friends going to the "Celebration of Life" services for Brenda & Slade. Steve is bald on top and had his hair pulled back in a ponytail, unless it was cut off, since we've seen him. (I'll also add, he cleaned up very nicely!)

Anyway, I think I heard (and I question it because it really strikes me as odd!) that Steve has Brenda and Slade's name tatooed on the back of his neck. Correction: It wasn't Steve; it was his son Vance.

IF he's had this done, since the murders, that strikes me as very, very strange thing to do, in light of the circumstances. Anyone else think that would be strange? Or is it just me? :confused:

[1986]

Maybe the tattoos are old, like from the days when they were still together? Otherwise, that is like wayyyyy to strange.

[Liz]

Maybe the tattoos are old, like from the days when they were still together? Otherwise, that is like wayyyyy to strange.


I just caught news @ 6 pm and now I've got a correction to make! :blushing:

It was Vance that had the names of Brenda and Slade, tatooed on the back of his neck. On the 5 o'clock news they were showing the video of Steve as I tuned in and they were talking about the tatoos.

Now I wonder if I should correct my post above? I think so. ;)

[Liz]

Found this yesterday, in my cyber-travels. It's an article from when Steve first spoke out, which would have been about Friday, 5/20, I think.

"I love them, and I need them back," he said.

"Everybody's praying for them, and all I can tell them is, please hang in there."

Steven Groene did not answer questions and couldn't be reached Friday for comment. He plays in a regional blues band, Blue Tattoo, that's been together a few years with changing lineups and has organized an annual benefit for Project Safe Place in Coeur d'Alene, said Ted Todd, who hosts a radio blues show and edits Inside Blues for the Inland Northwest Blues Society.

Source:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:P2eKafi07qcJ:spokesmanreview.com/idaho/story.asp%3FID%3D70877+funeral+service+%2B+Brenda+ Groene&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&strip=1

Has anyone heard what Steve's day job is, if he has one? Or does anyone have any idea about how much a job playing in a regional band might pay? IOW, would the pay equate to a full time job?

[SauerKraut]

I just caught news @ 6 pm and now I've got a correction to make! :blushing:

It was Vance that had the names of Brenda and Slade, tatooed on the back of his neck. On the 5 o'clock news they were showing the video of Steve as I tuned in and they were talking about the tatoos.

Now I wonder if I should correct my post above? I think so. ;)

That is very very weird. I was reading Nancy Grace's transcript just now and it was pointed out about how (duh...) they can't collect money if they are killing them. I wonder if they were after Vance for a debt but took revenge on the family. Is it possible they went there expecting to rough up Vance but then when he wasn't there, they killed the family. I think he knows more than he's telling. The tattoo thing is really odd.

[TisHerself]

Project Safe Place is a Legit organization and a great thing for kids, but I have to tell you it is raising a hugh red flag for me in this situation. JMHO I always thought that someone took the two younger kids away from the house before the others were killed. I don't think they saw anything. It is quite possible someone involved with PSP (althought not supposed to) helped them put the kids someplace.

[akgal]

I don't think the tattoo is odd at all. I would think it was odd if he had his mother's (sorry, haven't been following this case all along so I might have the relationships mixed up) name tatooed on his body before this happened. I think he just wants a way to remember them and keep them alive, for himself.
JMO.

[Liz]

Found this on Steve's band:

After several months of exhaustive searching for just the right combination of talents with the same attitudes and feelings for the blues, it all came together and Blue Tattoo was born. The band was formed in early 2000. Even though the band is just over a year old, they are quickly becoming a favorite of the blues scene in the Pacific Northwest.

******** The Inland Empire Blues Society awarded Blue Tattoo with the 2001 "Best New Blues Band Of The Year" in the Pacific Northwest. A few of the major musical influences include: Stevie Ray Vaughan, ZZTop, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Johnny Lang and many others. Blue Tattoo is a band that will play some slow, smoky blues that can lay you back and then get your feet moving on the dance floor with a hard drivin' juke joint jam. This band's real goals are to play blues that make you want to get up and dance and have a great time. *
*
*************************
**Fronting the band is Steve Vincent on vocals, guitar and harmonica. His gritty vocals and howling harmonica gets your attention immediately. Steve grew up in the L.A. area and has fronted bands since the mid 70's such as "Southern Select", "Krystal Bitch" and "Styff Tool". He worked for James Harman in the early 80's where on tour he roomed with Hollywood Fats. Hanging out with the L.A. blues musicians expanded his musical tastes to go along with his rock and southern rock background. >>>more on band at link


http://www.bluetattooband.com/Biography.htm

[JerseyGirl]

I don't think the tattoo is odd at all. I would think it was odd if he had his mother's (sorry, haven't been following this case all along so I might have the relationships mixed up) name tatooed on his body before this happened. I think he just wants a way to remember them and keep them alive, for himself.
JMO.I agree 100%.

Does anyone know more about Project Safe Place? This is the first I've heard this tid-bit, and I find it VERY intriguing.

[Liz]

I agree 100%.

I intended to clarify that post for AKgal, last night and I forgot all about it. That part of the post, asking if the tattoo seemed odd, was actually written when I first posted and thought it was Steve, that had gotten the new tattoo. :)

SO, I don't think the tattoo is odd for Vance to have gotten, either. But, it does seem to me that if he got it as a remembrance, he would have gotten it placed where he could see it, not on the back of his neck.

But, that's just me. ;)

[JerseyGirl]

I intended to clarify that post for AKgal, last night and I forgot all about it. That part of the post, asking if the tattoo seemed odd, was actually written when I first posted and thought it was Steve, that had gotten the new tattoos. :) Now that WOULD have been weird!!! :)

[Liz]

I wanted to post this under Steve, just for reference.

Steve was on with Geraldo (via telephone) this evening. Steve mentioned about the preliminary DNA ruling out any of the children's blood being found at the home being very encouraging. He said, we've felt all along that they were alive' and that the DNA info bolstered their opinions that that was the case.


Steve then went on to say that his children are the most valuable things in his life. Then he offered the only thing of monetary value that he has to his name, in exchange for info on kids. He said he would turn over the keys and the pink slip to his '97 Heritage Softtail Classic', to anyone that has information leading to the safe return of his children. He added, as if to specify, "both children".

That's really touching that he offered his highly valued bike. Steve did sound very sincere and genuine and he used the present tense rather than the past when he referred to the children.

But, in light of the fact that no one has come forward thus far, for a $100,000 cash reward, or a $7,500 (Silent Witness) cash reward; then I seriously have to doubt that anyone would turn over infomation now, in order to obtain Steve's Harley. (Hasn't Steve thought of this, too?)

Not trying to implicate Steve at all. I honestly don't know who could have commited such a heinous crime. Just stating facts, that's all.

[Liz]

Now that WOULD have been weird!!! :)


I kinda thought so, too! ;)

[mysteriew]

Found this yesterday, in my cyber-travels. It's an article from when Steve first spoke out, which would have been about Friday, 5/20, I think.
Source:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:P2eKafi07qcJ:spokesmanreview.com/idaho/story.asp%3FID%3D70877+funeral+service+%2B+Brenda+ Groene&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&strip=1

Has anyone heard what Steve's day job is, if he has one? Or does anyone have any idea about how much a job playing in a regional band might pay? IOW, would the pay equate to a full time job?

Has anyone heard if Steve is involved in any biker groups? Many biker groups are tired of the the negative image of bikers (due to a couple of violent biker clubs) and as a result they are really getting out and getting involved in community fund raising for charities, esp. charities dealing with kids. The clubs are usually small local groups and do things like biker runs to raise money. Sometimes they will charge for pig roasts and other get togethers and donate the money to a group. That sounds like what Steve has done with Project Safe Place.

[Liz]

Has anyone heard if Steve is involved in any biker groups? Many biker groups are tired of the the negative image of bikers (due to a couple of violent biker clubs) and as a result they are really getting out and getting involved in community fund raising for charities, esp. charities dealing with kids. The clubs are usually small local groups and do things like biker runs to raise money. Sometimes they will charge for pig roasts and other get togethers and donate the money to a group. That sounds like what Steve has done with Project Safe Place.


I haven't heard, mysteriew, but it wouldn't surprise me if he were. The northern Idaho area is truly 'biker heaven'.

But, I was under the impression that it was through his band, Blue Tattoo, that he was involved with Project Safe Place. (Doesn't mean I'm right, though. ;) )

[Tom'sGirl]

Found this on Steve's band:




http://www.bluetattooband.com/Biography.htmSo is Steve Vincent Steve Groene?

I'm confused here as it says Steve Vincent is from the L.A. area:confused:

[JerseyGirl]

So is Steve Vincent Steve Groene?

I'm confused here as it says Steve Vincent is from the L.A. area:confused:Could it be a middle name? I seem to remember Slade's middle name as being Vincent. Maybe him and his dad shared a middle name.

[Tom'sGirl]

Could it be a middle name? I seem to remember Slade's middle name as being Vincent. Maybe him and his dad shared a middle name.
Yeah JG,

I found it listed as Steven Vincent Groene. You are right as little Slade's middle name is Vincent also.

[SUSANSTARR]

I agree 100%.

Does anyone know more about Project Safe Place? This is the first I've heard this tid-bit, and I find it VERY intriguing.

JerseyGirl, I had the same thought. I wondered if the children may have been aware of the Project their dad was affiliated with. The site tells what to expect if a child needs help. If there was trouble in the home and it escalated as Vance said in an interview, maybe the children was in touch with someone from PSP. I may be grasping at straws here but what if the children knew something was not right and they ran to PSP? Whoever helped, had to tell Steve when they learned of the murders. They just called and said Steve don't worry about the children they are safe! Don't ask any questions so you won't know anything if anyone or LE ask you their where abouts, until this is all over. Maybe the children witnessed something or someone at the home and could be in grave danger.Steve failed the question on the polly and so did Jesse or Vance! Steve did not know where the children were\is or who had them. Steve only knew\knows they are safe. He told Vance\Jesse . Steve said "I did not lie" He may not have. Steve is afraid harm will come to the other two children until the murderers are caught.


SNIP:
Here is what to do:
- Walk in. Tell the first available employee that you are there because you need help.
- Let the employee know what the problem is (to whatever extent you are comfortable).
- The employee will find a comfortable place for you to wait while he/she calls the local youth shelter.
- The shelter will call the location back to let you know the name of the volunteer who will come to meet with you.
- Within minutes the volunteer (always the same sex as the youth) will arrive to talk with you and transport you to the shelter if you want counseling and a safe place to stay.




A link to Project Safe Place

http://http://www.makart.com/cdafire/safeplace.html

http://http://www.makart.com/cdafire/index.html


Susie from Texas

[JerseyGirl]

Thanks so much for the information, SusanStarr. :)

Project Safe Place is the best possible scenario right now. How I wish and hope that these kids are okay!!!

Your theory would explain both the problems with the polygraphs taken by family members as well as the perception that many of us have of Steve not having anything to do with this.

I'm praying for a break in this. It's been going on too long. It seems like the cases I've been following lately either still don't have a break or took a while to get one. I guess I'd rather wait a year to have this resolved than to have it turn into a cold case. That would be simply awful! I can't even begin to imagine how the families of cold cases feel. :(

[SUSANSTARR]

Thanks so much for the information, SusanStarr. :)

Project Safe Place is the best possible scenario right now. How I wish and hope that these kids are okay!!!

Your theory would explain both the problems with the polygraphs taken by family members as well as the perception that many of us have of Steve not having anything to do with this.

I'm praying for a break in this. It's been going on too long. It seems like the cases I've been following lately either still don't have a break or took a while to get one. I guess I'd rather wait a year to have this resolved than to have it turn into a cold case. That would be simply awful! I can't even begin to imagine how the families of cold cases feel. :(

JerseyGirl, I posted a lot of info about the band and PSP The Fire House that helps sponsors PSP.

I also think it is to bad only one news media said anything about the benefits for the PSP. Several said Steve is in the band then directly talks about his past drug abuse and alcohol abuse. At least Steve told the media himself. They did not have to dig up that dirty on the family. Steve put it right out there. That is one thing I feel they are doing right, getting all the dirty laundry out there so it won't slip up on them later.They would have to spend a lot of time defending themselves to the media. They may try to explain but as we well know the media would jump all over them making demands. The family would loose valuable Time that could be used finding those babies~!

Susie from Texas

[Lili]

I remember reading that Steve's name is Steve Vincent Groene and that he and Brenda were married in California.

[Tom'sGirl]

I remember reading that Steve's name is Steve Vincent Groene and that he and Brenda were married in California.
Hmmmmm, interesting! I don't know where Steve was born, but Brenda was born in couer d'lene. I wonder how they met?

[SauerKraut]

Hmmmmm, interesting! I don't know where Steve was born, but Brenda was born in couer d'lene. I wonder how they met?

It would make sense that he could have lived in LA since they were married in Big Bear, which is a mountain resort east of LA in the mountains.

Some other blog site I looked at earlier that supposedly, I don't want to start any weird rumors here, had people close to the family posting. From what they have said, Steve knows where the children are but he can't let that out yet before the killers are caught. I hope this is true.

[CaliKid]

But if PSP is a legitimate operation, wouldn't they have notifed LE (even secretly) that they had the children and saved everyone in K. County the time and expense of looking for them?

[mysteriew]

But if PSP is a legitimate operation, wouldn't they have notifed LE (even secretly) that they had the children and saved everyone in K. County the time and expense of looking for them?

From what I have read on here, PSP is a legit. org. In order to remain legit, they have to follow the law. I can see several issues here that would put them in questionable legal water if they had the kids. (hiding potiential witnesses to the murders, kidnapping, public panic, etc.) So I cannot see this as valid. In the normal cases yes they pick the kids up, then they put them in youth shelters for safety, then they contact LE or CPS for investigation. Steve would also be in hot water (hiding potiential witnesses, public panic, hindering investigation, etc.) if he knew where the kids were and did not tell LE. That would also put him right smack dab in the suspect seat in the murders.
I do think that Steve suspects/guesses who has the kids, and maybe where they are. I don't think that he has hidden that from the LE. The best way to garruntee (sp) the kids safety would be to bring the kids to LE and have them tell what they know, then to make them vanish. They would be less of a target that way since they had already told what they knew, LE and media would no longer be looking for them, and LE could be enlisted to help hide them if it was thought necessary. This way they are too much of a target, with LE looking for them, media publicizing, people everywhere keeping an eye out for them. I think they are with the perpetrators, whoever they are.

[JerseyGirl]

I also think it is to bad only one news media said anything about the benefits for the PSP. Several said Steve is in the band then directly talks about his past drug abuse and alcohol abuse.It amazes me that they'll speak of his past substance abuse but conveniently leave out the charitable work that he does. I guess charity doesn't sell stories. :(

[JerseyGirl]

But if PSP is a legitimate operation, wouldn't they have notifed LE (even secretly) that they had the children and saved everyone in K. County the time and expense of looking for them?As much as I'd like to believe that they're with PSP, I have to agree with your and mysteriew's statements completely.

[close_enough]

It would make sense that he could have lived in LA since they were married in Big Bear, which is a mountain resort east of LA in the mountains.

Some other blog site I looked at earlier that supposedly, I don't want to start any weird rumors here, had people close to the family posting. From what they have said, Steve knows where the children are but he can't let that out yet before the killers are caught. I hope this is true.

hmmmm, if this is true, i guess it could explain why LE is keeping tight-lipped :confused:
i just find this hard to believe, for some reason....would be nice if it's true, though...

[close_enough]

But if PSP is a legitimate operation, wouldn't they have notifed LE (even secretly) that they had the children and saved everyone in K. County the time and expense of looking for them?

true...

[Liz]

I posted this on the victims' thread, since it's about an interview of Brenda's mother, Darlene. but thought I'd re-post it under Steve, too. My apologies if that irks anyone. ;)

At the end of the KREM news segment, it was reported that, Steve was living with her at the time of the murders, and that Darlene remembers him coming in very late that night!

Yes! That was 'was', in the past tense! :eek: What in the world is going on???

.... I wonder just where Steve moved to?

[Camper]

Another thought

I am worried that the son in jail may have friends that are responsible for this whole terror. I wonder how the jailed son was put in jail, what were the circumstances for that, did the mom have him put there ?, would that have been the 'last straw'. The son in jail would know about the PSP also. Plus Mom, Mark and Steve may have just put the screws on 'bad behavior' by the son in jail. Lots of young men killing their parents lately. The son would have protected his siblings imop. Sorry, I am concerned about the welfare of the two little ones, and my time has not been ample enough to get very smart on this mess.


Just LOST the first half of this post, running short on time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Later, grrrrrrrr.

[Liz]

KREM news just had a little segment on my 5 o'clock news about an individual who was stepping up, offering their own reward for the safe return of the two missing children, Dylan and Shasta.

Then they panned to Steve Groene, next to his Harley, standing (I assume) in the KREM parking lot, with news correspondent Shannon Sims. Steve said after three weeks he felt he needed to do something. (I guess he didn't tell them he already offered it on "At Large with Geraldo Rivera" a couple weeks ago.

KREM news at 6 pm is allegedly going to have a more in-depth report with Steve, in an exclusive news report.

The bike is very nice! Burgundy-purplish in color with some really nice tacking, which really stands out, beautifully.

[Liz]

Okay, here is the scoop, from Krem news @ 6, which really isn't anything so new to those of us that saw Geraldo when he had Steve on, and offered his Harley, for the safe return of Dylan and Shasta.

Shannon Sims said that Steve said he hasn't slept in weeks, since the children went missing. He said both families have been working very hard in trying to get both of his kids home.

Steve said, "Why, why, is the big question. We have no idea what they witnessed out at the house, if they saw any of this. That's something that weighs pretty heavy on us, too. I certainly know that Slade, Shasta and Dylan were totally innocent victims in this. Not to say that Mark and Brenda deserved it in any way, shape or form."

Shannon Sims says that even though thousands of tips have poured in, and even though over $100,000 has been offered for information, the authorities still have no suspects; something that has frustrated Steve to the point of him offering up his own reward.

Steve and Shannon then get up off of the park type bench and walk over to his Harley. Steve said he hoped that if he offered up his own personal reward, that it might get someone to call the sheriff's tip line or the secret witness . He said he bought the bike just months before Shasta was born. He said they're hoping there's someone out there that knows and then said it's about the lives of two small children at risk here and he hoped someone would step up. Shannon Sims said that Steve said his children are worth far more than his Harley bike, but that it's all he has to give and he's hoping it's enough to bring little Shasta and Dylan home.

Then Steve says, "Ya know, we love 'em, and they're gonna come home. Ya know, hang tough, and be strong, and ya know, we'll be seeing you soon." And, he drove off on his beautiful Harley, into the wild blue yonder.

(The highlighted quotes, are as close to verbatim, as I could get them off the taped recording of Steve on this evening's news)

Sims again emphasized that the offer for Steve's Harley is for the safe return of both children. The telephone number that Steve has set up in order to do that is 208-818-0318.

* * * * * * * * * * *

Steve comes on as honest and sincere. But, but, but .... something does bother me a bit about his on camera interviews. He doesn't look into the camera and he doesn't look into the eyes of the interviewer, in this case Shannon Sims. He is wearing a Harley cap, so there isn't an excuse of the sun getting in his eyes. He did look at the camera, for only one second or two at most, at one point during the entire interview. I do find that a bit troubling. Not enough to point a guilty finger but I honestly feel he is being deceptive about something! What? I do not know!

[Tom'sGirl]

Okay, here is the scoop, from Krem news @ 6, which really isn't anything so new to those of us that saw Geraldo when he had Steve on, and offered his Harley, for the safe return of Dylan and Shasta.

Shannon Sims said that Steve said he hasn't slept in weeks, since the children went missing. He said both families have been working very hard in trying to get both of his kids home.

Steve said, "Why, why, is the big question. We have no idea what they witnessed out at the house, if they saw any of this. That's something that weighs pretty heavy on us, too. I certainly know that Slade, Shasta and Dylan were totally innocent victims in this. Not to say that Mark and Brenda deserved it in any way, shape or form."

Shannon Sims says that even though thousands of tips have poured in, and even though over $100,000 has been offered for information, the authorities still have no suspects; something that has frustrated Steve to the point of him offering up his own reward.

Steve and Shannon then get up off of the park type bench and walk over to his Harley. Steve said he hoped that if he offered up his own personal reward, that it might get someone to call the sheriff's tip line or the secret witness . He said he bought the bike just months before Shasta was born. He said they're hoping there's someone out there that knows and then said it's about the lives of two small children at risk here and he hoped someone would step up. Shannon Sims said that Steve said his children are worth far more than his Harley bike, but that it's all he has to give and he's hoping it's enough to bring little Shasta and Dylan home.

Then Steve says, "Ya know, we love 'em, and they're gonna come home. Ya know, hang tough, and be strong, and ya know, we'll be seeing you soon." And, he drove off on his beautiful Harley, into the wild blue yonder.

(The highlighted quotes, are as close to verbatim, as I could get them off the taped recording of Steve on this evening's news)

Sims again emphasized that the offer for Steve's Harley is for the safe return of both children. The telephone number that Steve has set up in order to do that is 208-818-0318.

* * * * * * * * * * *

Steve comes on as honest and sincere. But, but, but .... something does bother me a bit about his on camera interviews. He doesn't look into the camera and he doesn't look into the eyes of the interviewer, in this case Shannon Sims. He is wearing a Harley cap, so there isn't an excuse of the sun getting in his eyes. He did look at the camera, for only one second or two at most, at one point during the entire interview. I do find that a bit troubling. Not enough to point a guilty finger but I honestly feel he is being deceptive about something! What? I do not know!
I've seen Steve wear the HarleyRiders cap in a lot of his interviews, and I agree with you something is amiss!

[Wayne]

I've seen Steve wear the HarleyRiders cap in a lot of his interviews, and I agree with you something is amiss!Are you suggesting Steve could somehow be involved?

Could Steve Groene be like another Michael Blagg? (Killed his wife Jennifer in November 2001 in their Grand Junction, Colorado home; 6-yo daughter Abby Blagg is still missing but presumed dead; Michael Blagg was found guilty of murder; See link here (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/05/48hours/main647548.shtml).)

Or is Steve Groene not involved - the lack of sleep and mourning his losses getting to him?

[CaliKid]

I haven't seen any of his interviews except for what was shown on AMW. I know he has to be preoccupied with the whereabouts of the living- Dylan and Shasta- but except for the above reference to Slade: (I certainly know that Slade, Shasta and Dylan were totally innocent victims in this.), has he shown any grief about Slade's murder?

[Tom'sGirl]

Okay, here is the scoop, from Krem news @ 6, which really isn't anything so new to those of us that saw Geraldo when he had Steve on, and offered his Harley, for the safe return of Dylan and Shasta.

Shannon Sims said that Steve said he hasn't slept in weeks, since the children went missing. He said both families have been working very hard in trying to get both of his kids home.

Steve said, "Why, why, is the big question. We have no idea what they witnessed out at the house, if they saw any of this. That's something that weighs pretty heavy on us, too. I certainly know that Slade, Shasta and Dylan were totally innocent victims in this. Not to say that Mark and Brenda deserved it in any way, shape or form."

Shannon Sims says that even though thousands of tips have poured in, and even though over $100,000 has been offered for information, the authorities still have no suspects; something that has frustrated Steve to the point of him offering up his own reward.

Steve and Shannon then get up off of the park type bench and walk over to his Harley. Steve said he hoped that if he offered up his own personal reward, that it might get someone to call the sheriff's tip line or the secret witness . He said he bought the bike just months before Shasta was born. He said they're hoping there's someone out there that knows and then said it's about the lives of two small children at risk here and he hoped someone would step up. Shannon Sims said that Steve said his children are worth far more than his Harley bike, but that it's all he has to give and he's hoping it's enough to bring little Shasta and Dylan home.

Then Steve says, "Ya know, we love 'em, and they're gonna come home. Ya know, hang tough, and be strong, and ya know, we'll be seeing you soon." And, he drove off on his beautiful Harley, into the wild blue yonder.

(The highlighted quotes, are as close to verbatim, as I could get them off the taped recording of Steve on this evening's news)

Sims again emphasized that the offer for Steve's Harley is for the safe return of both children. The telephone number that Steve has set up in order to do that is 208-818-0318.

* * * * * * * * * * *

Steve comes on as honest and sincere. But, but, but .... something does bother me a bit about his on camera interviews. He doesn't look into the camera and he doesn't look into the eyes of the interviewer, in this case Shannon Sims. He is wearing a Harley cap, so there isn't an excuse of the sun getting in his eyes. He did look at the camera, for only one second or two at most, at one point during the entire interview. I do find that a bit troubling. Not enough to point a guilty finger but I honestly feel he is being deceptive about something! What? I do not know!The phone number that's listed is the number of Yates Funeral Home in Hayden which is kind of weird:waitasec:

[Liz]

The phone number that's listed is the number of Yates Funeral Home in Hayden which is kind of weird:waitasec:


TG, are you sure you looked up the correct number? I just looked it up at http://www.reversesearch.com and here's the results:

We're sorry. We did not find a listing for the phone number you entered.
The phone number "(208) 818-0318" is a Coerdalene, ID based phone number and the registered carrier is Cellco Partnership Dba Verizon Wireless - Id. However, due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider other than the registered carrier.
Search Suggestion:
ID, 8180318
Reverse Phone Number Search
Help
Phone Number***
8180318

[Tom'sGirl]

TG, are you sure you looked up the correct number? I just looked it up at http://www.reversesearch.com (http://www.reversesearch.com/) and here's the results:

We're sorry. We did not find a listing for the phone number you entered.
The phone number "(208) 818-0318" is a Coerdalene, ID based phone number and the registered carrier is Cellco Partnership Dba Verizon Wireless - Id. However, due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider other than the registered carrier.
Search Suggestion:
ID, 8180318
Reverse Phone Number Search
Help
Phone Number***
8180318
Memorial Obituaries (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://obit.yatesfuneralhomes.com/guestbook.cgi%3Fid%3D175188%26listing%3DCurrent&e=747) ... Please let me know if there is any thing I am able to do for you. 208-818-0318. Dawnell. Fletcherfam@adelphia.net. Jan 6, 2005. Hayden, ID. ...
obit.yatesfuneralhomes.com/guestbook. cgi?id=175188&listing=Current - 22k - Supplemental Result - Cached (http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:iTBRvTNgUBIJ:obit.yatesfuneralhomes .com/guestbook.cgi%3Fid%3D175188%26listing%3DCurrent+20 8-818-0318&hl=en&start=1) - Similar pages (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related:obit.yatesfuneralhomes.com/guestbook.cgi%3Fid%3D175188%26listing%3DCurrent)

[Tom'sGirl]

Memorial Obituaries (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://obit.yatesfuneralhomes.com/guestbook.cgi%3Fid%3D175188%26listing%3DCurrent&e=747) ... Please let me know if there is any thing I am able to do for you. 208-818-0318. Dawnell. Fletcherfam@adelphia.net. Jan 6, 2005. Hayden, ID. ...
obit.yatesfuneralhomes.com/guestbook. cgi?id=175188&listing=Current - 22k - Supplemental Result - Cached (http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:iTBRvTNgUBIJ<img src=) - Similar pages (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related<img src=)
Okay, upon further checking that phone number was given in the guestbook by the Fletchers at the Yates Funeral Home registery.

[Rle7]

The father of Shasta and Dylan Groene is offering his $25,000 Harley Davidson motorcycle. Steve Groene is hoping the added reward will be incentive for someone to come forward with information. His children have been missing for more than three weeks. We're hoping that that there is somebody out there that knows where they are, and they need to step up, make the call, the lives of two small children are at risk here,” said Steve Groene. Detectives are in their fourth week of the investigation and still have no leads.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-june0705-groene_reward.2f0c2a849.html

[Liz]

Okay, upon further checking that phone number was given in the guestbook by the Fletchers at the Yates Funeral Home registery.


Well, if nothing else, it sent me on a goose chase of Yates Funeral Home; on which I found out that that's where Mark's services were held (in Hayden). Mark's family must have requested that his obituary be kept private, as it wasn't available on the web site.

Guess they didn't want us snooping around. Can't really blame them for that.

TG, Now you've got me wondering who the Fletchers are! lol

(Eta: Rle7, thanks for the info and ktvb link above)

[Tom'sGirl]

Well, if nothing else, it sent me on a goose chase of Yates Funeral Home; on which I found out that that's where Mark's services were held (in Hayden). Mark's family must have requested that his obituary be kept private, as it wasn't available on the web site.

Guess they didn't want us snooping around. Can't really blame them for that.

TG, Now you've got me wondering who the Fletchers are! lol

(Eta: Rle7, thanks for the info and ktvb link above)Liz,

I'm wondering too, the book was signed Darnell......found a Darnell Fletcher, but different phone number. The number she listed in the guestbook may be her families # and not hers.

My first thought was is she a friend of Steve, and that's where he is staying now :confused:

[Liz]

I'm totally confused on this Fletcher person who signed in on the Yates Funeral guestbook, TG. Can you fill me in? Is that the funeral home that was used for Brenda and Slade? I'm only aware of the English Funeral Chapel. :confused: Help, please.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm totally confused on this Fletcher person who signed in on the Yates Funeral guestbook, TG. Can you fill me in? Is that the funeral home that was used for Brenda and Slade? I'm only aware of the English Funeral Chapel. :confused: Help, please.
Right, the funerals for Brenda & Slade was at English F-Chapel. I never read where they had Mark's wake, only that it was reported to have been private & a lot of people were there.

The phone number listed as Steve's personal tip line Googled out to the listing in the Yates guestbook, which I thought was interesing.

I've gone throught so many articles, etc. and there are so many aunts, cousins, etc. that have made comments I keep trying to find someone with the last name of Fletcher, but haven't.

BUT, maybe the Darnell that signed the guestbook "Fletcher family" is part of the family, but has a different last name.

Do I make any damn sence, geez :doh:

[Liz]

Do I make any damn sence, geez :doh:


I think it's just me, TG! :doh: lol!

I've googled this case to death, myself; so I know the feeling. An article I posted in the last day or two does state that Mark's private funeral was held at Yates Funeral Home. That's what got my curiosity up when you mentioned 'Yates'.

Oh well .... :shrugs: .. sigh ...

[txsleuth]

http://switchboard.com/bin/cginbr.dll?ID=89736718&ABS=0&FUNC=MORE&TYPE=1008&F=dawnell&MEM=1&L=fletcher&QV=02D16D3265BD9242BB303203O01A10E7866B4AF42E03032 03O03A52C3D6DB4AF4242303203

[Tom'sGirl]

http://switchboard.com/bin/cginbr.dll?ID=89736718&ABS=0&FUNC=MORE&TYPE=1008&F=dawnell&MEM=1&L=fletcher&QV=02D16D3265BD9242BB303203O01A10E7866B4AF42E03032 03O03A52C3D6DB4AF4242303203
Yeaah I found that tx, but the phone numer is different, but doesn't mean anything I don't think as she could have given the families number.

[txsleuth]

I hope this video link of an interview with Steve Groene works:

http://tinyurl.com/76w4j

[Tom'sGirl]

I hope this video link of an interview with Steve Groene works:

http://tinyurl.com/76w4j
It worked fine tx, thanks.
I just wish there hadn't been so much background noise. The news interviewer's voice was so mellow it was hard to understand most of her questions, then Steve's voice is so raspy I didn't cath it all.......wish I could play it in slow-mo.

[Liz]

It was just stated on 11 o'clock news that Steve Groene is adding to the personal reward of his '97 Heritage Soft Tail Classic Harley' the amount of $10,000 for the safe return of the children.

First it was announced that Steve was adding this $10,000; then it was stated as, 'the family'.

So, one way or another, besides the $100,000 offer by the FBI, and the Secret Witness Program's $7,500, there is also Steve's personal Harley and another $10,000 for the safe return of both children.

Steve's contact number is (208) 818-0318.

[Rle7]

The father of two missing children has a few words for people who think he had something to so with the disappearance.

"Get a life."

Steve Groene also said he holds out hope son Dylan, 9, and daughter Shasta, 8, are still alive and will someday come home.

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/news02.txt

Steve also said he thought Brenda and Marks' meth use was a rumor, and had threatened to take away the kids because of that. He heard that Brenda and Vance were smoking meth together. :eek: Wow, what a rumor. I hope that wasn't true.

Steve also said he put up his Harley as part of the reward and formed his own tip line because he heard someone wouldn't call LE. Probably had warrants out for his arrest or something...

[Liz]

The father of two missing children has a few words for people who think he had something to so with the disappearance.

"Get a life."

Steve Groene also said he holds out hope son Dylan, 9, and daughter Shasta, 8, are still alive and will someday come home.

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/news02.txt

Steve also said he thought Brenda and Marks' meth use was a rumor, and had threatened to take away the kids because of that. He heard that Brenda and Vance were smoking meth together. :eek: Wow, what a rumor. I hope that wasn't true.

Steve also said he put up his Harley as part of the reward and formed his own tip line because he heard someone wouldn't call LE. Probably had warrants out for his arrest or something...


I'm thinking many people in that area would like to get their normal lives back, for themselves and their children; but can't for fear some maniacal, murdering kidnapper is on the loose!

If Steve can't exercise a little self-control and discretion during this time when he is under intense scrutiny, it just tends to make people more suspicious of him, imo.

Not trying to be critical, but I did more searching for my dog, when she went missing in Miami. She was kidnapped but I got her back, because I went out pounding the pavement, putting flyers on mailboxes and hanging flyers and calling all the vets in the area!

[Gracelin]

Steve Groene

"Maybe if I knew some of the stuff that they know, I'd have some direction that I could go or get my own investigator or a private detective."

But he questions if a private detective would have access to any of the evidence.
http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/news02.txt



So he only thinks about a private detective..But hasn't approach one to find the answers to his own questions..



If they were my children,I'd call the pope for answers if I thought he'd help,

It is way to weird how he can sit back and let LE handle everything.

No missing web page, No recent TV interviews, The aunt is at least making an effort to get their faces out there.

It seems to me it has become a one woman effort..

[LDC]

Steve Groene

"Maybe if I knew some of the stuff that they know, I'd have some direction that I could go or get my own investigator or a private detective."

But he questions if a private detective would have access to any of the evidence.
http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/news02.txt



So he only thinks about a private detective..But hasn't approach one to find the answers to his own questions..



If they were my children,I'd call the pope for answers if I thought he'd help,

It is way to weird how he can sit back and let LE handle everything.

No missing web page, No recent TV interviews, The aunt is at least making an effort to get their faces out there.

It seems to me it has become a one woman effort..

They do have a missing web page

www.shastaanddylan.com (http://www.shastaanddylan.com/)

[Liz]

Thay do have a missing web page

www.shastaanddylan.com (http://www.shastaanddylan.com)



Thanks for the link, LDC.

For whatever good that is supposed to do when no
one really knows about it and it is not publicized.
I'll sent it out to some media outlets, myself.

I wonder if (step-Aunt) Sue Torres set that up, too?

Eta: Since everyone is so sensitive lately, I hope this doesn't upset anyone! But, if it does, I'm sorry in advance!

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks for the link, LDC.

For whatever good that is supposed to do when no
one really knows about it and it is not publicized.
I'll sent it out to some media outlets, myself.

I wonder if (step-Aunt) Sue Torres set that up, too?
Liz, I tried emailing Wolf Lodge Campground to ask IF they were still posting Shasta & Dylan's poster and this is what I got back:

Thank you for your interest in Wolf Lodge Campground. Due to our busy season, currently we can only take reservations and information requests by phone. Please call us at

208-664-2812 or

1-866-664-2812

[Liz]

Liz, I tried emailing Wolf Lodge Campground to ask IF they were still posting Shasta & Dylan's poster and this is what I got back:

Thank you for your interest in Wolf Lodge Campground. Due to our busy season, currently we can only take reservations and information requests by phone. Please call us at

208-664-2812 or

1-866-664-2812




Kudos! That's great you emailed them, TG! I find it strange that they are soo busy they cannot answer emails. Emails can be answered as time permits. Phones HAVE to be answered, as calls come in. lol!

[Liz]

Something Steve said awhile back on "At Large with Geraldo" was weighing on my mind this evening, for some reason. I had to dig quite a bit to locate it and want to post it under the Steve thread so we can refer to it. IF it's in quotation marks, it's what Steve said, and how I transcribed it from my recording of the program.

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05-22-2005, 10:51 PM
Liz

Did anyone catch this?

Mark Fuhrman asked Steve 3 questions (excellent questions, at that!). One of which was, "Steve, did you know that 'your wife' was doing meth in front of the kids, or around your kids?"


SG: "I had heard some rumor to that effect, maybe about a year ago. And I did call, and I confronted her and I told her basically that that better not be happening; because I will do everything in my power to have those children removed from the home."

================

Maybe it's nothing but then again, maybe it's something!

[CaliKid]

Hmmm, wondering whether "in my power" has anything to do with arranging a murder.

I think Steve is acting a bit suspicious and hope LE has him under surveilance.

[Lili]

May God bless Steve, Shasta and the family. Now if they can just bring Dylan home.

It was so nice to see Steve smile while talking to Geraldo during the conference last evening. You could see the relief he felt to have his baby girl back. :clap:

It rather peeved me today though when I heard a reporter ask if Shasta will be released into his custody when she is released to the hospital. Mr. Wolfinger stated that Steve and Brenda had joint custody and "Yes" she would be released to her father unless a judge determines otherwise.

Bless her little heart, she will need lots of prayers and support.

[Tammie63]

It rather peeved me today though when I heard a reporter ask if Shasta will be released into his custody when she is released to the hospital. Mr. Wolfinger stated that Steve and Brenda had joint custody and "Yes" she would be released to her father unless a judge determines otherwise At some point it was said that Shasta was in "protective custody". I think people heard that and assume it means that Steve lost his parental rights and that is why the reporter asked that. They didn't clarify that "protective custody" probably meant that there was LE posted at the door to her hospital room etc.

[kpass]

He seems like a genuinely good person, great dad...he brought me to tears when I heard him say that when he walked in the hospital room, Shasta reached her arms up & said "Daddy!" He was getting all choked up & that made me cry more. God bless little Shasta & bring Dylan home.

[Bobbisangel]

Hmmm, wondering whether "in my power" has anything to do with arranging a murder.

I think Steve is acting a bit suspicious and hope LE has him under surveilance.


I can't believe what I am reading for God's sake. If you had heard that your ex was doing drugs how would you deal with it????? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to get custody of your children if it didn't stop?????

Why in the heck read something into everything???? Did you suspect Mark Lunsford too????? I think this behavior is so offensive...weighing every darn word this father says. Well obviously Steve isn't at fault here as Shasta is back with him and LE is trying to find Dylan.

It just amazes me how low people go on these sites. Analyze every word that is spoken....suspect everyone....awful.

[Mygirlsadie]

[QUOTE=Liz]Something Steve said awhile back on "At Large with Geraldo" was weighing on my mind this evening, for some reason. I had to dig quite a bit to locate it and want to post it under the Steve thread so we can refer to it. IF it's in quotation marks, it's what Steve said, and how I transcribed it from my recording of the program.

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#479 *
05-22-2005, 10:51 PM
Liz

Did anyone catch this?

Mark Fuhrman asked Steve 3 questions (excellent questions, at that!). One of which was, "Steve, did you know that 'your wife' was doing meth in front of the kids, or around your kids?"


SG: "I had heard some rumor to that effect, maybe about a year ago. And I did call, and I confronted her and I told her basically that that better not be happening; because I will do everything in my power to have those children removed from the home."


I don't really think that means anything. I mean if hubby and I were to divorce and he got custody of our children and I found out he was doing meth or any other kind of drug in front of our kids I would do anything in my power to remove my kids from that home also. By that I would mean legal stuff..call lawyers fight for full custody get CPS involved etc etc..

[close_enough]

I can't believe what I am reading for God's sake. If you had heard that your ex was doing drugs how would you deal with it????? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to get custody of your children if it didn't stop?????

Why in the heck read something into everything???? Did you suspect Mark Lunsford too????? I think this behavior is so offensive...weighing every darn word this father says. Well obviously Steve isn't at fault here as Shasta is back with him and LE is trying to find Dylan.

It just amazes me how low people go on these sites. Analyze every word that is spoken....suspect everyone....awful.

that's sleuthing, imo....we aren't LE, & we aren't privy (sp) to evidence, so we come here to hash out our thoughts...it shouldn't be offensive to anyone...if it is, then don't read....what you call "offensive", is on just about every thread on this site, relating to murder trials, missing people, etc....

i, for one, had Jessica Lunsford's grandfather, all but convicted of her disappearance...i was wrong, & i felt very bad about it, but if i had to go back to the same circumstances, same info, i would probably feel the same way.....it's sleuthing; trying to figure it all out; thinking....simple as that...

[kahskye]

[QUOTE=Liz]Something Steve said awhile back on "At Large with Geraldo" was weighing on my mind this evening, for some reason. I had to dig quite a bit to locate it and want to post it under the Steve thread so we can refer to it. IF it's in quotation marks, it's what Steve said, and how I transcribed it from my recording of the program.

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#479 *
05-22-2005, 10:51 PM
Liz

Did anyone catch this?

Mark Fuhrman asked Steve 3 questions (excellent questions, at that!). One of which was, "Steve, did you know that 'your wife' was doing meth in front of the kids, or around your kids?"


SG: "I had heard some rumor to that effect, maybe about a year ago. And I did call, and I confronted her and I told her basically that that better not be happening; because I will do everything in my power to have those children removed from the home."


I don't really think that means anything. I mean if hubby and I were to divorce and he got custody of our children and I found out he was doing meth or any other kind of drug in front of our kids I would do anything in my power to remove my kids from that home also. By that I would mean legal stuff..call lawyers fight for full custody get CPS involved etc etc..

I agree :clap:

[Liz]

Is this a great country or what? Where we are all free to agree or disagree! :woohoo:

My post made no accusations. Merely observations.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY, AMERICA!

And, Shasta got her independence from a predator!
:woohoo: :woohoo:

[CaliKid]

I can't believe what I am reading for God's sake. If you had heard that your ex was doing drugs how would you deal with it????? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to get custody of your children if it didn't stop?????

Why in the heck read something into everything???? Did you suspect Mark Lunsford too????? I think this behavior is so offensive...weighing every darn word this father says. Well obviously Steve isn't at fault here as Shasta is back with him and LE is trying to find Dylan.

It just amazes me how low people go on these sites. Analyze every word that is spoken....suspect everyone....awful.
Bobbisangel, Websleuths is a discussion board. That means we look at crimes and pick apart what is said and what might be behind it. If you don't like what I post...

There were several of us who followed the Groene tragedy who wondered if the father might have had something to do with the murder and kidnapping because a) he failed part of his polygraph, but b) he seemed to be dismissed as a suspect very early on. In many cases of kidnap, the parents have something to do with it. There was a lot of criminal activity going on with the family, and he'd made a comment about doing anything to keep drugs from ruining Dylan and Shasta's lives. We wondered if maybe LE was keeping him under surveilance. It was ONE of MANY theories we had about the case.

Given the outcome, I'm sorry I suspected him. And No, I never suspected Mark Lunsford of harming Jessica.

[ISPTRAX]

Anyone know what happened to the dogs?

[Bobbisangel]

Bobbisangel, Websleuths is a discussion board. That means we look at crimes and pick apart what is said and what might be behind it. If you don't like what I post...

There were several of us who followed the Groene tragedy who wondered if the father might have had something to do with the murder and kidnapping because a) he failed part of his polygraph, but b) he seemed to be dismissed as a suspect very early on. In many cases of kidnap, the parents have something to do with it. There was a lot of criminal activity going on with the family, and he'd made a comment about doing anything to keep drugs from ruining Dylan and Shasta's lives. We wondered if maybe LE was keeping him under surveilance. It was ONE of MANY theories we had about the case.

Given the outcome, I'm sorry I suspected him. And No, I never suspected Mark Lunsford of harming Jessica.


To those of you who are so quick to accuse/judge... may you receive the same treatment....on sites like this...that you have given to others...if God forbid something so horrible should ever happen in your family.

[Tom'sGirl]

To those of you who are so quick to accuse/judge... may you receive the same treatment....on sites like this...that you have given to others...if God forbid something so horrible should ever happen in your family.Let's hope it never above all happens to YOU, since you think no one should be accused or judged when something like this happens.

With all the information regarding family, friends and so forth with records, I THINK WE SAID WHAT MOST WOULD HAVE SAID.

GOOD GRIEF, get a grip please:doh:

[CaliKid]

Let's hope it never above all happens to YOU, since you think no one should be accused or judged when something like this happens.

With all the information regarding family, friends and so forth with records, I THINK WE SAID WHAT MOST WOULD HAVE SAID.

GOOD GRIEF, get a grip please:doh:
Thanks for sticking up for me Tom'sGirl.

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks for sticking up for me Tom'sGirl.
You're more than welcome Cali :blowkiss:

Lets face it, if we all were angels and only thought of nice & positive thoughts in these cases we wouldn't be here at WS now would we?

[Liz]

From an article posted a few days back ...

Bikers rally around Shasta
Event raises money for survivor's care

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/groene/story.asp?ID=80636


Steve Groene, Shasta's father, who stood at the front of an impromptu receiving line in the hot sun embracing leather-clad bikers for more than five hours, said the support Sunday was overwhelming, though not surprising. Steve Groene is part of the local biker community. "You say bikers and people think of gangs, but these people are the best people in the world," he said. "These people step up for anything and everything."

There was talk among the crowd of donors Sunday about whether the Groene family could sue Minnesota officials who arrested Duncan last year on suspicion of molesting two boys, but released him on $15,000 bail. The bail money was posted by a Fargo businessman who befriended Duncan. Steve Groene said legal action against Minnesota officials wasn't an option he was considering, nor was it an option he'd pursue against Joe Crary, the businessman who posted Duncan's bail. "They have to live with what they've done," Steve Groene said.


I just can't help but have more respect for Steve, the more I learn about him. He seems to have a very peaceful and calm spirit about him. Thank goodness --- that should be comforting to Shasta.

God bless Steve and Shasta; and all who love and support them!

[Liz]

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/articles/2005/07/21/news/news02.txt

Officials: Duncan will get fair trial

On Saturday, Steve Groene, the father of Shasta and Dylan, said while he would wish to see Duncan die if he's convicted of the crimes, he would agree to the man making a plea deal which would result in life in prison if it meant Shasta would be spared from having to testify.

"Nobody wants to see Shasta traumatized in any fashion," Adams (JED's atty) said after being told of Groene's feelings. "I applaud Mr. Groene's courage standing up for his family."

[Liz]

Below are a couple snippets from today's link, posted by Dragonfly, in the media links thread.

The article is about Amber Deahn and Linda Olsen, the two Denny's employees each being rewarded $4315. It also mentions that Steve Groene is a bit miffed that Nick Chapman didn't get any of that reward money. Steve is considering giving Nick his Harley Davidson Softtail Classic motorcycle. (I don't believe Nick would accept it; even if he did.)

I wanted to emphasize that Steve "worked", in the past tense, for the recycling plant.

A much larger reward for the safe return of Shasta is still to be awarded. The FBI is currently reviewing how to distribute its $100,000 reward.

The sheriff department's reward came from donations by private citizens and companies, such as Bluebird Recycling, where Steve Groene worked.

It was initially under the supervision of the Secret Witness Program, but that organization does not allow donations to be earmarked for a specific case.

As for those who might think the company's reward money should have gone instead into a fund set up for Shasta, Bluebird vice president Willie Lampe said the company did that, too. "I guess there's money for both things."

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/groene/story.asp?ID=82474

[concernedperson]

I just pray for Steve that he can get the help Shasta will need and for himself to set the way. Bring the remaining children together and all will heal and go forward. That is my prayer.

[Liz]

I just pray for Steve that he can get the help Shasta will need and for himself to set the way. Bring the remaining children together and all will heal and go forward. That is my prayer.


That's probably the best thing we can do for them, right now. They have a long, long road to recovery ahead of them. All of them.

[oceanblueeyes]

I just pray for Steve that he can get the help Shasta will need and for himself to set the way. Bring the remaining children together and all will heal and go forward. That is my prayer.

That too is my heartfelt prayer.

I pray that they each will lean on each other to gather their strength. I hope the older children unite and become strong around their baby sister and will pat their dad on his shoulder when they see that far off sadness in his eyes. I wish the very best for Jessie and truly hope in 14 months he can come home a changed young man. A man determined to make his father proud.

I feel that Steve Greone is a loving father with amazing strength but I worry that he grieves inwardly so that his family does not see his fears or his own pain. I hope that he seeks help along with his lovely daughter. They can mend their lives together, one day at a time.

IMO, Shasta Greone is a warrior, she will not fall but will continue to take back her life........she will NOT let Duncan win.

IMO

Ocean

[Liz]

Snippets from February 28, 2006 article,
Families reject plea deal idea. (http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/groene/?ID=118732)

Mark Doble, said the family can't believe anyone would push for a plea agreement in the case, which drew national attention and prompted several states to consider tougher laws against violent sexual offenders.

Steve Groene, father of Slade, Shasta and Dylan, hasn't said publicly whether he agrees with the prosecutor or if he would rather avoid trial through a plea agreement.

He did not return calls seeking comment. Duncan's lawyer, Public Defender John Adams, called the children's father as a defense witness during a hearing last week in which 1st District Judge Fred Gibler granted Adams' request to postpone the trial six months.

Steve Groene, accompanied by his attorney and Shasta Groene's court advocate, testified in closed proceedings in the judge's chambers. After the hearing, Adams said a plea agreement would be easier on the girl.