Raven's Website and Online Activity

[snapple]

I mentioned in a couple of the other threads that I verified Raven is back on the east coast now visiting his family in either Maine or New Hampshire. That same source confirmed that Raven is reviewing this forum on a regular basis.

Any thoughts that Rooster is Raven's uncle?IMO, I think Rooster IS Raven, he views the VX boards, probably saw the name Rooster there, liked the name or the person on the VX boards, and started using that name for WS....just my thoughts.

[SouthEastSleuth]

...new yes............and UNimproved.....Un-up-dated.....
...i sure hope LE got a screen shot of that 'night before the murder' blog while it was still there....

...and now he's off to maine.....new hampshire.....compliments no doubt of the sincere well-wishers of the utah/arizona/california LDS wards...........his final party-it-up with the east coast relatives/friends?..............or will he really show up for court in 2 weeks......?

What's the old saying, 'you can run but you can't hide,'?

Deleting web pages, web sites, web blogs is all well and good, and certainly the right of the creator I suppose - but if people suspect you for involvement in a crime, you can bet there are screen shots:

of every site,
of every page,
of every picture,
of every comment,
of every word.

I guess that's a downside of having such a prolific "online life," - you create, your write, you post - on the internet - for a specific audience? Maybe. But it's there, nonetheless, for all the world to see.

So - erase, edit, change, omit. No worries. The damage was done, way before that delete key was pressed!

Copyright concerns, etc? Maybe. But one would think that if you are being suspected of involvement in a crime, murder to be exact, that copyright concerns would be the farthest thing from your mind...

[golfmom]

It just cracks me up that Raven thinks with a clickety-click of a little button that he can cover his tracks here.

There has got to be times where he stops and thinks "Holy $hit what have I done?" in his heart of hearts he has just got to know that it is a matter of when and not if the authorities are going to catch up with him.

If I were him, I'd be crapping in my pants over the upcoming court date on embezzlement ... anything can happen. At one time it possibly could have been something that could have been swept under the rug (like a certain car fire) but with a murder investigation looming, I don't think he can expect a slap on the hands.

[golfmom]

BTW Raven, :snooty: we all have copies of the memorial video. Nice try.

[Annandale1998]

I think it is pretty mysterious that once the WS has posted the newest info. about Ravens sights that magically it dissappears. I spent the better half of my morning reading a couple of peoples postings that I find interesting. People who may be Raven. I refuse to say "The Raven " because I am sure in his phsychopathic mind he loves it. That's the only time I'll put it. Anywho! There are a few out there, Rooster may be one. But all of them like to throw a bit of a twist to the story of the murder to keep our minds off their real opinion. Or they switch sides of innocence. I am but an ameteur sleuther. I am here strictly to find out what happened on that night.
As far as Janet and putting up with his B*LLS**T. I can say that one of two things.
1) SHe was hoping for things to get better. My mother was married to my dad who physically abused her for 14 years. They were together for two years prior. He never laid a hand on her until the wedding night. She waited those 14 years for the real guy to resurface. It was just a facade he made up to catch her in his web. When you are with someone so deboinare, shall we say, they can romance you right out of your shoes while wearing the scent of another woman. My real father was this way. It sounds like raven was too.Who can resist when trying to secure the future of your new baby boy.

2) She obviously was prepared to leave him and everything was going wrong. Maybe the reason her friends were worried about not receiving the email was because he threatened her not to leave or else....... Maybe her friends knew he said these things to her. Raven probobly wanted her "love and support" through these hard times and wouldn't have it any other way. Seeing the stress he was under I can see him going crazy if she was still considering it. Maybe they had an argument about this game he was filling in for a whatever he was doing. She felt he had other obligations at home. So they have a falling out she gets on the computer to chat about it, he comes home unexpected and she goes to see what he's doing. Next thing you know............

Sorry it seems like you can get completely wrapped up in your theory to the point you can almost see it. Raven if you are reading this and you are innocent I apologize for the grief your going through. It must really stink to read all of this and know that it's not true and you're just curious of who it might be or what warnings you did not heed??

However if you are guilty I hope one of these scenerios that we have posted are close enough to haunt you. Just as that fateful night haunts you and all the cries of justice you see here haunt you. Didn't you see what a great person she was. Great people have a great many friends and great support system. I bet you never counted on that. You probobly only saw her as a barrier,a weight. Stopping you from all the games, toys, women and money you could have.

And yet at the same token if Janet truly did love you, which it seems she did, I feel bad for her above. Watching everybody degrade you and scrutinize you. It must be breaking her Heart. She knows the truth. And eventually she'll let it free.For the sake of Kaiden and the good she obviously saw in you. I hope it was somebody else.

[golfmom]

Anna,

Your post made me think, what if Janet was indeed threatening to leave and Raven played musical chairs with the vehicles? Somehow leaving Janet without transportation? Perhaps the fact that there wasn't a vehicle available for her was the cause of an argument.

It's so hard to pin down since we have so little information, but we know that he was regularly parking his VX elsewhere in an attempt to sell it. I believe Rooster alluded to the fact that Raven was driving the Durango since that's where Raven left his cell phone. So the question becomes where exactly was the Acura that night? Was it available for Janet even in case of an emergency? Surely with having such a young child she wouldn't have wanted to have been stranded at the house in case of an emergency. I know if my husband had wanted to go out and leave me alone without transportation and a six month old baby, I would have certainly pitched a fit. Could being trapped have been the final straw for Janet, causing her to lash out and Raven to explode?

and, BTW, Welcome to WS!

[JerseyGirl]

Seems the online presence of Raven just keeps disappearing, little by little. Odd that someone with such a prolific online "life" would suddenly choose to erase it all - bit by bit.... or, maybe the heat is just getting to be too much and too close? Who knows, but, anxiety, paranoia, frustration, even fear, can cause folks to do things well outside of their character at times!Is there any chance that LE might have met with him or spoke with him and asked him to remove certain things from the Internet? I can't figure out why they would do such a thing but still wonder if they would. Maybe LE worries about the media having too much into which to dig their claws, and LE is trying to keep the media off of the case for one reason or another?

[JerseyGirl]

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Check out my auction and if your seriously interested I can end it and do the do...That sure sounds like Raven-talk.

[JerseyGirl]

Your post made me think, what if Janet was indeed threatening to leave and Raven played musical chairs with the vehicles? Somehow leaving Janet without transportation? Perhaps the fact that there wasn't a vehicle available for her was the cause of an argument.Very, very interesting thought. I couldn't figure out why there would only be one car but you could be right. I would hope that he wasn't THAT controlling but it would explain the shortage of vehicles that night.

[JerseyGirl]

So the question becomes where exactly was the Acura that night? Was it available for Janet even in case of an emergency? Surely with having such a young child she wouldn't have wanted to have been stranded at the house in case of an emergency.Especially since it seems that the Abaroas did not know any of their neighbors to call on in case of an emergency.

[golfmom]

Especially since it seems that the Abaroas did not know any of their neighbors to call on in case of an emergency.

Exactly! They didn't have a land line either, so that puts more importance on the cell phone records and the internet communications.

[Jenifred]

Exactly! They didn't have a land line either, so that puts more importance on the cell phone records and the internet communications.Are we sure they didn't have a land line?

[NCBanker]

While that notion is possible, I think it's more likely that his attorney prompted him to do it in order to lower his profile. There was so much fodder available to keep all this speculation going, and the attorney probably realizes that LE is reviewing this website on a regular basis. While it doesn't completely wipe out the trail of self-incrimination, it does make it a bit harder. I'm sure, however, that LE has gotten whatever they needed WAY before dumb-dumb started dismantling it. Hope the cold steel cuffs don't clash with his other jewelry!



Is there any chance that LE might have met with him or spoke with him and asked him to remove certain things from the Internet? I can't figure out why they would do such a thing but still wonder if they would. Maybe LE worries about the media having too much into which to dig their claws, and LE is trying to keep the media off of the case for one reason or another?

[Annandale1998]

Okay, so this is what I have found out about the VX sale. Only by the web. First the VX posted by Rooster is a 2001. It is also in the dealership lot. Which means that even though work may not have been done on it, chances are they will not get the year of the car wrong after running the VIN#. Furthermore if it is in a dealership lot that means Raven has already traded in for a new car. Highly unlikely unless a family member owns the lot.(Maybe, it does say family owned)
Also it was up for sale mid june. I thought it was posted that Raven didn't go to NH :banghead:until recently.

Also I have searched and searched for any other VX sales. Not many fit his criteria. But I did learn that almost all Ironmans have the red and black interior. ViewItem&rd=1&item=4560401576&category=6270e 3-5 (http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4560401576&category=6270) I saw online
This was one of them I thought maybe I could see the reflection, I can but I was just fishing and hoping. It's not in the right area. But you can see another with the same interior.

I think that if he does sell it amazingly it will be off line. He even took the link off from a website I found and I'm sure you all have seen. http://http://www.wildtoys.com/Vehicross/links.asp
But being that MO Money was taken off the website it makes sense.

So for now I think we are still circling until ..................:banghead:

[Jenifred]

While that notion is possible, I think it's more likely that his attorney prompted him to do it in order to lower his profile. There was so much fodder available to keep all this speculation going, and the attorney probably realizes that LE is reviewing this website on a regular basis. While it doesn't completely wipe out the trail of self-incrimination, it does make it a bit harder. I'm sure, however, that LE has gotten whatever they needed WAY before dumb-dumb started dismantling it. Hope the cold steel cuffs don't clash with his other jewelry!
Why would he need to lower his profile after 2-1/2 months, I bet every member/lurker here has already seen it? Unless maybe they are getting ready for a whole heck of a lot of people checking it out...hmmm. Maybe an arrest soon?

[Annandale1998]

More than likely he is just fed up with everyone knowing all of his business. It's one thing facing it in the public but to go where you used to be safe and have different out reaches. i can only imagine. Innocent or guilty I have learned by my 1st posting that what you write and how you want it to come across can be two completely different things. Who knows if we were touching too close to home, or too far for him to endure. Or maybe his "Mommy" was tired of seeing her boy slandered. regardless let's just try to crack into his new weblife. I'm sure it's formulating.

[LTUlegal]

More than likely he is just fed up with everyone knowing all of his business. It's one thing facing it in the public but to go where you used to be safe and have different out reaches. i can only imagine. Innocent or guilty I have learned by my 1st posting that what you write and how you want it to come across can be two completely different things. Who knows if we were touching too close to home, or too far for him to endure. Or maybe his "Mommy" was tired of seeing her boy slandered. regardless let's just try to crack into his new weblife. I'm sure it's formulating.:clap: Not bad for your first posts, though! You've dug in deep on this sleuthing! And might I add :woohoo:

[Annandale1998]

Thanx! I try. It all makes me so angry. I try to read what's posted take a tep back and see the logic.Sometimes you ca get caught up in the illogical. My husband always accuses me of being a privat PI on him. Now I have better reasons to read between the lines.

[Annandale1998]

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Who You Talkin' Bout Willis?
I've been driving my VX since 2000. I first saw it at an Iron Man event back in 96-97? I was in high school then and that car became my dream car. I sat in it and thought it was the coolest thing ever. In 1999 I was driving by the usual Isuzu dealership when I spotted the VX in their showroom. I traded in my 1997 Blazer ZR2 SUV which had 33's, all chromed out and cherry red. At the time it was the hottest little SUV around. My wife was furious, but shortly fell in love with the VX. She still thinks of the VX as a horrible investment because of how much it has depreciated in value. I was a little disappointed too, but after thinking about it, VALUE IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. After 60,000 miles, two trips out West, a dozen camping trips, and many miles along the East coast, I have decided to finally put a stop to the nonsense, I am in the process of lifting and detailing the VX to become my new offroad machine, and I'm selling my 92 Jeep Wrangler with 35's and Spring Over to the highest bidder... Away with Jeep and Hello VX. I am excited to take it on some adventures as everyone on this post has such good stories to tell!

So, sorry for the detailed story, anyway, I'm 23, married, and work for Hewlett-Packard. I do some consulting on the side and just started my own business, the website is called www.pocketPCguy.com (http://www.pocketpcguy.com/) and one day it will be up!!! I am somewhat of a guru when it comes to handhelds, go figure, I like toys! Look forward to working with all you and hopefully meeting you at a few rally's!
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Did I miss this in another thread???? I am sure someone has seen it but it is not missing. Like everything else. Let me know if I am reposting.:waitasec:

[Annandale1998]

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=7050

I feel like I have bee rambling all evening. But at this thread from VX there is a guy who says he saw an Ironman in Ohio. He also says the driver was a man and HIS SON!!! the guy was going to leave a note when the driver approached. Startled. Very interesting my friends!!!!!!!!!! Read it it is curious.

[Meech]

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I see he is still around! Not gone to far

[ewwwinteresting]

I mentioned in a couple of the other threads that I verified Raven is back on the east coast now visiting his family in either Maine or New Hampshire. That same source confirmed that Raven is reviewing this forum on a regular basis.

Any thoughts that Rooster is Raven's uncle?
Any ideas why? I'm really curious why he would be reading this forum on a regular basis.

My guesses:

1. He is guilty and wants to see what evidence there is against him. Will a jury of his peers convict him with what info we have now?

2. He is guilty and thinks he got away with it and can't stand the idea that we still think he is guilty.?

3. He is innocent but his ego is so big that he can't stand the fact that a bunch of strangers don't like him and think he is pond scum.?

Anymore suggestions??

[Jenifred]

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I see he is still around! Not gone to farSo, is that his new screen name (NC_VXNC_VX)? Look, he's up in the morning and he goes to the VX site. Raven, how about stop freeloading off your family and go and look for a job?!?!

[ewwwinteresting]

So, is that his new screen name (NC_VXNC_VX)? Look, he's up in the morning and he goes to the VX site. Raven, how about stop freeloading off your family and go and look for a job?!?!
No, his screen name is still NC_VX.....I think it just showed it on two lines but when it was pasted, it showed up next to each other.

Why should he stop freeloading off his family when his family isn't supporting him, it is their coworkers, friends, neighbors and anybody else they can get to donate to the "HMBMTKUMITCTCKMOOJ" fund? That name sounds like he is keeping with his Indian heritage :)

[Moxie]

No, his screen name is still NC_VX.....I think it just showed it on two lines but when it was pasted, it showed up next to each other.

Why should he stop freeloading off his family when his family isn't supporting him, it is their coworkers, friends, neighbors and anybody else they can get to donate to the "HMBMTKUMITCTCKMOOJ" fund? That name sounds like he is keeping with his Indian heritage :)
He could change his name(s) to the following:

Jail Bird
Trapped Bird
Dead Bird

[golfmom]

I'm still voting for VULTURE!

[snapple]

:laugh: He could change his name(s) to the following:

Jail Bird
Trapped Bird
Dead Bird

[snapple]

:laugh: :laugh: I'm still voting for VULTURE!
Whatever the bird's name is, at least he'll have a nice "PEN"itentiary!

[Moxie]

:laugh: :laugh:
Whatever the bird's name is, at least he'll have a nice "PEN"itentiary!
His wings will definitely be clipped!

Oh, I hope he didn't do this.

But I thank GOD for all of you who have done so much and found so much to help find who did this. It just is all pointing to Raven.

[Moxie]

Are we sure they didn't have a land line?They did not have a land line.

[Annandale1998]

Okay, so I have been thinking about this all day and I finally have time to put this out. Here's a thought:
What if Raven has been using this site as a guide to what to do, and what not to do. As in, notice when we mention his activity, that activity dissapears. Even when someone mentioned him or a relative being Rooster, Rooster hasn't replied or signed on since then. (when I checked earlier today it was in June). He knows we watch his every movement. so being as well imformed as the site seems to be, he can use this as an opportunity to see what he is getting away with. What alias' are slipping through the cracks and so forth.

It was posted that he is conniving. I can see him trying to outsmart the sleuth and use it to his advantage. Maybe that is why he is so silent. Starting a new online life without the traces of the past.:waitasec:

[ewwwinteresting]

Okay, so I have been thinking about this all day and I finally have time to put this out. Here's a thought:
What if Raven has been using this site as a guide to what to do, and what not to do. As in, notice when we mention his activity, that activity dissapears. Even when someone mentioned him or a relative being Rooster, Rooster hasn't replied or signed on since then. (when I checked earlier today it was in June). He knows we watch his every movement. so being as well imformed as the site seems to be, he can use this as an opportunity to see what he is getting away with. What alias' are slipping through the cracks and so forth.

It was posted that he is conniving. I can see him trying to outsmart the sleuth and use it to his advantage. Maybe that is why he is so silent. Starting a new online life without the traces of the past.:waitasec:
I think you are right on with this thinking. However, it's hard to hide from all of us for very long! I think Rooster quit posting because she/he figured out Raven was actually guilty and no longer worth defending.

[surf_moon_stars]

Okay, so I have been thinking about this all day and I finally have time to put this out. Here's a thought:










What if Raven has been using this site as a guide to what to do, and what not to do. As in, notice when we mention his activity, that activity dissapears. Even when someone mentioned him or a relative being Rooster, Rooster hasn't replied or signed on since then. (when I checked earlier today it was in June). He knows we watch his every movement. so being as well imformed as the site seems to be, he can use this as an opportunity to see what he is getting away with. What alias' are slipping through the cracks and so forth. I completely agree Anandale











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Newbie here, and I can not sit by anymore and read, I am so upset
that this senseless situation happened, and did not learn of Janet until
researching the Groene case.

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I feel it may also help Raven (too much) to some extent.

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If this was my loved one who I lost , this sweet angel named Janet, I would be exhausting every last lead, clue, and/or possibility making sure that I used the internet in a postive way to keep this case focused
on the suspect and the facts.

If this was not done by the person who is "in question", then they should be at the front of the line to help and solve what happend,
which he may or may not be doing. ( I sure hope he is helping )

We are not at liberty to guess what is happening on this case, and I am counting my blessings everyday that LE is doing their job (crossing fingers)to keep Janet's case safe and "active" from start to finish. :)

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I would not be anywhere but close to the place where I lost my loved one.

Dropping out of site to grieve is one thing, but after this amount of time, this man should have up a tribute/memorial to Janet by now, with or without the permission of his lawyer.

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He always talks or posts about his VX, life, his job, his future outlooks, but yet not using it for the "right reasons" right now.

I bet this must be so "hard" for someone who signed on and posted quite frequently, kind of "the man of the VX world" to hardly any activity at all. And now, just deleting, removing and take away memories of his life, and/or not posting at all.

Then again, if he has several toys to use, he could be on all the time, and LE might not know he has a PC or laptop "toy here" or a "toy there" when he is traveling from place to place.

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With an embezzlement charge going on, it does not make anything look better. It makes it worse when you are not around on the internet where you used to spend a "good amount" of your time, the way you should or could be as in the past on your personal life.
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My intention is to not let a sweet butterfly (Janet) get lost in the system of runaway bride stories and/or any other media circus frenzies, as we know can happen.

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Janet's family needs to know first hand that we are completely here for them, and help them in any way we can peacefully.

I give kudos to the family member who said "Do not speak for them."

It is so true. My heart goes out to Janet, Kaiden and every member of the family.

You are an AMAZING family, and I send a million hugs to the stars and back.

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Just as I have learned as well, and by the wonderful active postings on ws.com, this guy was always, always, always on the net providing updates on his life, personally and financially, not even thinking for a minute that this would come back and haunt him with his own words etc.:waitasec:


If he did not do this, than there would be NO Reason to take down his sites, keep in touch with family via the net, or hide from anyone because his "lawywer said so". :snooty:



If this were me, I would NEVER, EVER stop looking, and would make sure that LE, and Janet's family knew it was not me, and most importantly, declare my innocence, and make sure Janet's name was never ever forgotten, even if it took my entire life to do so.

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This is my first post, and will not be my last.

I am a mother of a son. I could never imagine sweet Kaiden having to not know who did this to his mother.

I have no doubt that Kaiden will grow up surrounded by Janet's presence no matter where he is in life, he will know she is there for him in his heart and every step of his life.

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I will do my very very best to make sure the MEDIA is quite aware of this story here on the West Coast, as there is so many states involved when it comes to Raven's BG of where he lives.


He is a suspect in one case (embezzlement charges), and sure not acting like anything but a suspect in this case as well, with the silent treatment to the people who are trying to help solve a case of heartbreak.


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Does anyone know if an online memorial webiste was ever created for Janet?

I have no clue on that one, but I would think "someone" close enough to Raven, one of his "computer friends", would offer to design one.(Jenique.com?)

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It still may be too early for him to do any type of "online memorial", as this is a "delicate situation" for anyone losing someone, and if they
did not have a part of this tragedy, time still is necessary to heal and move on with life.

If Raven really is too "grief stricken" to start the healing process, only time can heal, but being silent for "too long" can hurt his relationships with "others" (supporters) who may wonder "why" he has not stepped forward for justice for Janet yet. (Rooster etc)

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Raven if this was not you that did this, my apologies for even being here in the first place putting in my two cents.
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This is a website, from what I have learned and read, dedicated to help locate the suspect who took away a beautiful woman, mother, daughter, sister, niece, aunt, cousin, friend, wife and confidant, who DID NOT DESERVE one bit of hurt in her life.


This is where me, as a good samaritan has to step in and say, "ws.com has one more sleuther on their side, and I will do whatever I can to help locate this "person" and bring them to justice for Janet, Kaiden and the Christiansen family".

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My apolgies for being so long, but what can I say, I have been very touched by this story, and what Anandale said was my thoughts exactly today.



You are all doing an amazing job, and I hope to be able to do my part on this side of the coast. :)

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: Whatever the bird's name is, at least he'll have a nice "PEN"itentiary!
Oh such clever posters here!

[lauriej]

welcome surf moon!

.........very insightful 1st post!

...i look fwd. to you representing the west coast..............god knows raven's got some $$$'s from the 'utah fund' at his disposal to travel back and forth...

...to answer one of your questions..........the memorial to janet...
...yes...............he did begin ( title ) a blog, "til we meet again'.............he never did post it, and in fact even removed the title posting a few days ago as he began to clean out his ravensblog...........

...i personally was giving him 'time' to write the memorial/tribute..............but after more than 2 months i'd say it was a kinda sorta pretend thing all along....the 'gloves are off' as far as raven goes.....

[LTUlegal]

That sure sounds like Raven-talk.
I just caught this post regarding the Ducati. I had heard that he sold it before Janet's death. Not sure where I read or heard it, though.

[golfmom]

I just caught this post regarding the Ducati. I had heard that he sold it before Janet's death. Not sure where I read or heard it, though.

Also, Raven's Ducati was red and this one is yellow.

[surf_moon_stars]

welcome surf moon!

.........very insightful 1st post!

...i look fwd. to you representing the west coast..............god knows raven's got some $$$'s from the 'utah fund' at his disposal to travel back and forth...

...to answer one of your questions..........the memorial to janet...
...yes...............he did begin ( title ) a blog, "til we meet again'.............he never did post it, and in fact even removed the title posting a few days ago as he began to clean out his ravensblog...........

...i personally was giving him 'time' to write the memorial/tribute..............but after more than 2 months i'd say it was a kinda sorta pretend thing all along....the 'gloves are off' as far as raven goes....._________________________________________ _______________

Thank you for the warm welcome lauriej-

I am so glad to be here, and yes, the memorial fund is an issue to me as well.

If Jane'ts family has (1) established memorial fund for Kaiden, then why would Raven's family feel that they need to establish "other memorial funds" for Kaiden.

I feel this should have been an agreement between "close family members", such as Janet's family and Raven only, not family members who are "aware" or were not "made aware" there was already a fund established (for Kaiden).

I know it is "wondeful" for Raven's family and/or community (SD, UT, AZ) to help out, but wouldn't Raven want to make sure all money was accounted for , and not being handled by (3-4) different people.

After all this is about and for Kaiden's life and future, and the person handling that money should not be someone charged with embezzlement etc.

Janet's family should have been the ONLY ones who should have access to any memorial fund, and make this decision, not people in different states who are "most definitely" trying to help Kaiden, but opening up a memorial fund here, and a memorial fund there is going to put too many hands in a cookie jar. Why???

__________________________________________________ ____________

I am sad that this has turned into a topic of discussion at all, as this really is PRIVATE information and it again, breaks my heart to see that a few people took a memorial fund, and extended out additional memorial funds in other states. I know you know where I am going with this....so I am done.

I will address this issue in the general discussion or right post, becasue I don't want to switch topics here, as website activity was the main topic...

__________________________________________________ ____________

Well, I gave my two cents about the online activity, and I respect privacy just like the next person, so I will say that I appreciate each and everyone of you who has been keeping this case going.

This case truly needs and deserves the attention so we can help bring Justice for Janet. :)

[surf_moon_stars]

lauriej-

I did forget to ask why this memorial was not finished, or why it was removed.

I am new here, and have read pretty much every thread on this forum, but did not see why it was not completed, posted and/or not finished.

My apologies for asking what may have been discussed already.

For respect to Janet's family I will not bring it up again.

Thank you for lettting me know he did start something.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Hi,

I was just browsing before bedtime, and I did another search for
a memorial of "some kind" and came across this.

Please, please, please, my apologies if this has already been discussed,
as I came across this site by search engine a few moments ago.

__________________________________________________ __________

So...here is what I located, and please know, that I thought this site
belonged to Raven for his business, not personal, but as of July 1, 2005 , Google did cache this on the webiste....
( I tried to locate this to see if it was duplicated , but did not see it on this site yet)

2nutmeg.net

"In this world ye shall have tribulation:
but be of good cheer;
I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
We Miss You Janet.


http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:_F8ij3Kb3nAJ:2nutmeg.net/+%22We+miss+you+Janet.%22&hl=en


Ok, since I posted this...it is on the cover page as well..

http://www.2nutmeg.net (http://www.2nutmeg.net/)


_____________________________________________

Peace~Love~Faith~Hope


Have a good night. :)


Interesting find SMS. I remember that right after pocketpcguy "disappeared," I checked WHOIS, and noticed that the domain registration had actually expired around that same time. I also checked the various other sites, and as I recalled 2nutmeg.net had expired a long while ago.

So, I just checked WHOIS on 2nutmeg.net again. The domain registration expired on March 15, 2004.

So, it seems to me that someone must have re-registered the domain (as I understand it, WHOIS is not an automatic update, meaning that is someone had re-registered the name, or, someone NEW registered the name, it may in fact take awhile for the new owner to show up on WHOIS.)....

Once a domain expires, it's up for grabs for the next person to pay and register. So who knows, perhaps Raven has re-registered the name, or, perhaps a family member, or, even just some random creep....I mean it could be anyone, for all we know at this point.

http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=2nutmeg.net
__________________________________________________ _________

I find the choice of Bible text very interesting as well.

John 16, to some biblical scholars is the most important book in the New Testament. It is the book where Jesus meets with his disciples one final time, prior to the crucifixion, imparting words basically about how to handle life in a difficult world. Verse 33, in particular, is important, as it is Jesus' last words to the disciples, where we gives, as many Biblical scholars write, his 'final words of assurance'...not words of warning, but of assurance.

'Jesus has predicted that the disciples will flee when the going gets rough within a short time. What the disciples needed to know was that ultimate victory was not dependent upon their faith, but upon the work of the Savior on the cross of Calvary. “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).'

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=624

Simply put, Jesus speaks that the heartaches of the world, are not the end of the world, they can be overcome.

So in choosing this verse, the owner of 2nutmeg.net says what?

That JANET has overcome the trials and tribulations of the world, to move on to a better place?

OR-

That the owner of 2nutmeg.net is somehow comforting him or herself with these words - out of guilt? out of sorrow? out of grief?

OR-

Was the verse simply chosen with a more sinister reason, the final sentence, "I have overcome the world.".... taken in a more literal sense. The words perhaps that would be uttered by a sociopath it would almost seem.

[golfmom]

If this is a multiple choice quiz, my answer is C.

Did I win a prize? :behindbar

[golfmom]

I forgot to add, it's an interesting cause and effect that we're seeing again, we complain, no memorial and poof 2nutmeg appears with a memorial. However, if that's Raven's idea of a memorial website, well it's pretty lame. :(

[surf_moon_stars]

Hi Golfmom,

Thank you for your posts, and I agree , if it was someone other than Raven, an outiside person who bought this domain strictly to "help or release what they think" because they "got lucky" buying this domain, why so?

This link is a website which is a source to a very important case.

I am hoping this is not the case, and more information becomes clear.

With that being said, I would really like to know why the person who put up this page, has not stepped forward and say who "we" are as in "we miss you Janet".

Again my apologies, I am here to help, but kind of torn on what to do at this point when finding anything, because I want nothing but closure like yesterday for Janet, her family and Kaiden.

Please know in our hearts we are here to help, not to hurt, and I feel so lost in translation sometimes when I post for respect to family members.

My best to each of you~

[surf_moon_stars]

I just located this.


http://www.registeria.com/domainreg?module=whoisreg&domainname=2nutmeg.net

__________________________________________________ ____

Whois Server Version 1.3Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registeredwith many different competing registrars.

Go to http://www.internic.netfor (http://www.internic.netfor/) detailed information. Domain Name: 2NUTMEG.NET Registrar: NAMESECURE.COM Whois Server: whois.namesecure.com Referral URL: http://www.namesecure.com (http://www.namesecure.com/) Name Server: DNS2.NAMESECURE.COM Name Server: DNS1.NAMESECURE.COM Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK Updated Date: 24-jun-2005 Creation Date: 04-jun-2004 Expiration Date: 04-jun-2007>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:21:28 EDT <<<NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date theregistrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry iscurrently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expirationdate of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoringregistrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database toview the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whoisdatabase through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume andautomated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names ormodify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global RegistryServices' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign forinformation purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining informationabout or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does notguarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abideby the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data onlyfor lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Datato: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of massunsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processesthat apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expresslyprohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not touse electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access orquery the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to registerdomain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the rightto restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensureoperational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to theWhois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSignreserves the right to modify these terms at any time.The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains andRegistrars.
(http://www.registeria.com/domainreg?module=whoisreg&domainname=2nutmeg.net)



Hope this can help.
Justice for Janet

[Jenifred]

With that being said, I would really like to know why the person who put up this page, has not stepped forward and say who "we" are as in "we miss you Janet".
You know, I was thinking about that too. Who is the "we"? If it were solely from Raven, I would think that he might put "I." Now I know that if it were Raven maybe he meant for it to be from him and Kaiden, thus the "we" but if I were trying to do something personal like that for a spouse (even with 3 kiddos), I think that i would put "I" because it would be a dedication to my life's companion, the love of my life and father of my children. This isn't meant to be thoughtless, but in all reality, Kaiden never knew his mother, and so I might hope for a more personal dedication. But I can see it being done for the both of them too.

[surf_moon_stars]

BTW, Hi SouthEast :)

I just noticed I forgot to include your name when posting for you and golfmom on my post after yours.

My apology, and YES, I agree with both of you on what you said.

Hope you are doing well. :smile:

[SouthEastSleuth]

BTW, Hi SouthEast :)

I just noticed I forgot to include your name when posting for you and golfmom on my post after yours.

My apology, and YES, I agree with both of you on what you said.

Hope you are doing well. :smile:Hi SMS -

I'm just trying to be clear for myself on this whole 2nutmeg.net thing. So you were doing just a basic google search for a memorial page of any sort I think you said... and it looks like on the google cache page you posted, that you were using the search term "we miss you Janet," unless I'm looking at it incorrectly (which could certainly be the case! LOL)....

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:_F8ij3Kb3nAJ:2nutmeg.net/+%22We+miss+you+Janet.%22&hl=en

I'm just curious how you came up with that particular phrase to search? I did the search without quotations marks, and came up with over a million hits... It's actually an AMAZING find, BTW.... and makes me wonder if there are in fact other "memorial" pages out there that we've not even located, YET.

[surf_moon_stars]

SES,

Sent you a Private message.

For the reason being I do not want to reveal my sources.

I am a person who cares about justice and would dig to China if I had to make any sense of why each day is passing by with no resolve yet.

I have no personal ties to either side of the family, I am a mother who cares very deeply about justice in a world that should not have these kind of situations happening , which is why we are here to help.

I am praying that whatever we may turn up here can be of help to LE, and open some eyes to a life taken so young, and some timelines that need to be accounted for.

[lauriej]

Hi SMS -

I'm just trying to be clear for myself on this whole 2nutmeg.net thing. So you were doing just a basic google search for a memorial page of any sort I think you said... and it looks like on the google cache page you posted, that you were using the search term "we miss you Janet," unless I'm looking at it incorrectly (which could certainly be the case! LOL)....

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:_F8ij3Kb3nAJ:2nutmeg.net/+%22We+miss+you+Janet.%22&hl=en

I'm just curious how you came up with that particular phrase to search? I did the search without quotations marks, and came up with over a million hits... It's actually an AMAZING find, BTW.... and makes me wonder if there are in fact other "memorial" pages out there that we've not even located, YET.
....i think, if i were raven, and wanted to post a memorial to janet, for her friends/family/their freinds to read....................that i wouldn't "hide it" in some obscure fashion ,making it practically impossible to hit on...

...raven is not a computer dummy.............why wouldn't he just finish the 'til we meet again' blog...........? i(nstead of deleting all traces of it ?)

...i find the "we miss you janet" on the 'old' nutmeg site to be a very lame excuse .......if he DOES have others out there that we haven't located.................how does he expect her friends or family to come across them either ?

[ewwwinteresting]

....i think, if i were raven, and wanted to post a memorial to janet, for her friends/family/their freinds to read....................that i wouldn't "hide it" in some obscure fashion ,making it practically impossible to hit on...

...raven is not a computer dummy.............why wouldn't he just finish the 'til we meet again' blog...........? i(nstead of deleting all traces of it ?)

...i find the "we miss you janet" on the 'old' nutmeg site to be a very lame excuse .......if he DOES have others out there that we haven't located.................how does he expect her friends or family to come across them either ?
LOL!!!! Maybe this is his lame effort to show the "jury" he really cared?? IMO, he doesn't have any other proof that he cared one bit about Janet!

[lauriej]

..the fact that raven has gone off-line is very interesting........

.......ravenstree is gone.....his myspace is gone.....

...on his VX forum...........(he had 200 posts since becoming a member..........)(last post march 2005 ) ( last log-in july 6 2005..)

...he USED to post there about everything , VX, family...job....and now just peeks in to see other posts? why is that ?
...there's a VA/MD/DC meet next weekend............why isn't he all over that ? if he's innocent, i'd think he'd be going.........if he's innocent, i would think he wouldn't care what a handfull of WS'ers thought of him posting ..

...of course the "meet" is the day following his embezzlement court date..........
...does he still even have the VX?

[ewwwinteresting]

..the fact that raven has gone off-line is very interesting........

.......ravenstree is gone.....his myspace is gone.....

...on his VX forum...........(he had 200 posts since becoming a member..........)(last post march 2005 ) ( last log-in july 6 2005..)

...he USED to post there about everything , VX, family...job....and now just peeks in to see other posts? why is that ?
...there's a VA/MD/DC meet next weekend............why isn't he all over that ? if he's innocent, i'd think he'd be going.........if he's innocent, i would think he wouldn't care what a handfull of WS'ers thought of him posting ..

...of course the "meet" is the day following his embezzlement court date..........
...does he still even have the VX?
Raven's ego is too big not to care!

[OffRoad]

Hello Everyone. I have been a silent "lurker" since Janet's death. I found the site during a seemingly futile search for answers which might explain the discustingly tragic death of a friend. The site is great, I am glad to see that people are standing for Janet.

I saw in a post that there may be copies of Janet's memorial video. I have tried to view a copy, but keep running into closed doors. Does anyone know if there is any way to view the video?

Thank you!

[surf_moon_stars]

Hi OffRoad,

Nice to meet you.

As for the video/memorial of Janet, I don't think it is up for viewing at this time
anymore.

I am sorry that I could not be of help there....

Do you mind sharing with us your relationship to Janet, and/or Janet and Raven if you are ok with discussing it?

If not, I completely understand, and my apologies for asking.

Thank you for your post.

[ewwwinteresting]

Hello Everyone. I have been a silent "lurker" since Janet's death. I found the site during a seemingly futile search for answers which might explain the discustingly tragic death of a friend. The site is great, I am glad to see that people are standing for Janet.

I saw in a post that there may be copies of Janet's memorial video. I have tried to view a copy, but keep running into closed doors. Does anyone know if there is any way to view the video?

Thank you!
Hello Offroad. Thanks for breaking your silence :)

There are several of us that have the video downloaded. Maybe there is a way we could send it to you for viewing or put it on another site that people could go to and put a link here. Hey, maybe we could make our own REAL memorial for Janet since her husband isn't???

[PrayersForMaura]

Raven's ego is too big not to care!
I'm counting the days til good ol' Raven gets arrested for the murder of his wife.
:behindbar

Just my opinion, but there are no leads in this case amd nothing suggesting this is random. Therefore, the person who killed beautiful Janet Abaroa and left Kaiden without a mommy for life is someone who knew her quite well.
Someone who was leading a double life .... like Raven himself.

[Jenifred]

PfM, good to see you back! Where've you been?

Now if we can only get Mr. AG to check back every once and awhile.

[surf_moon_stars]

Hi Offroad,

Did you know Janet and or Janet/Raven from his VX club/group?

[surf_moon_stars]

originallyposted by ewwwinteresting

Hey, maybe we could make our own REAL memorial for Janet since her husband isn't???

Well....my thoughts have been to do this from Day 1 since I have been here, and have not seen any type of online memorial for Janets' family, friends, and co-workers to express their feelings and memories of Janet.

Does anyone know if the Christiansen family has one being made, or if they are even ready for this type of memorial online??

I would not want any of her family to feel "they have to" or are "obligated" to think we are expecting this to be done, as this is absolutely not the case.

If anyone knows, please let me know, as I completely respect their privacy.

__________________________________________________ ________

I would like to contribute to designing a site for her family.

A memorial for Janet be on a site Just for Janet,a BEAUTIFUL deserving, caring mother, daughter, sister, niece, cousin, friend , co-worker, and Wife.

__________________________________________________ __________-


My apologies for asking about this, but I did not see a post, sorry if I missed it.

I wanted to make sure my invitation has been extended to the family.

If privacy is an issue, the site can always be Password Protected.


Thanks for listening.

* Justice for Janet *


_________________________________

Had to edit: two paragraphs were ran togeher, and I fixed them.


That's my opinion....

[Jenifred]

PREFACE--My opinion only.

The whole discussion on the web memorial for Janet was brought up because the lack of it was odd for someone as web oriented as Raven not putting one up. He had stuff up everywhere, posting so many details of his life out where anyone could see it, and then after Janet's death--nothing for her. He continued visiting myspace.com and other sites, but nothing for Janet. And from what we were able to see, he had slowly inched her out of his online viewing for awhile. He had a whole story on one of his earlier websites about how they met, but then the most updated ravenstree.com it was like it was abridged and the good stuff was missing. He mentioned on the VX site that he was going through a divorce when no papers were filed. It just seems like it's odd behavior for a man who says that he loved his wife.

And about creating a web site for Janet's memory. I think that should be left up to the family. It's not our place. From what I've heard here, the Christensens are private people. I don't think that they want every Tom, Dick and Harry to be poking their noses into something that should be personal to them. I think that being here on WS is what we should be doing. Looking for clues to who did this, uncovering things that might be over-looked. Not creating a website for someone that most of the people on this board only know from a memorial video and statements from her friends and aquaintances. We've done our part, Janet's family knows that there are people out there that care because we log into this site day after day when there's no word on any aspects of this case.

[SouthEastSleuth]

And about creating a web site for Janet's memory. I think that should be left up to the family. It's not our place. From what I've heard here, the Christensens are private people. I don't think that they want every Tom, Dick and Harry to be poking their noses into something that should be personal to them. I think that being here on WS is what we should be doing. Looking for clues to who did this, uncovering things that might be over-looked. Not creating a website for someone that most of the people on this board only know from a memorial video and statements from her friends and aquaintances. We've done our part, Janet's family knows that there are people out there that care because we log into this site day after day when there's no word on any aspects of this case.
My personal thoughts and opinions -

While I appreciate your thoughts Surf Moon Stars, I do think Jenifred is correct. We are here to sleuth this case, as hard and as diligently as we can. And while over these months, many have developed emotional ties to this case, at the end of the day, there's always still a line, albeit a delicate and fine one, that we shouldn't cross. So much of Janet's life is now on display via WS, and rightly so and with the best of intentions - but there still has to be a level of privacy and respect for those who knew Janet - her family and friends.

A thread was created here weeks ago called Memories and Memorials - a place where anyone could post their personal thoughts about Janet, etc. To me, that's the line. A public forum, a website, what have you, should be left to the discretion of family and friends.

As Jenifred writes, our thoughts, concerns, and feelings are evidenced each and everyday, when we log on to WS to read, to write, to wonder, to sleuth, to still be here, after all these weeks. And I have a feeling that many will be here for the duration - until there is finally justice for Janet, someday, someway, somehow.

[surf_moon_stars]

A thread was created here weeks ago called Memories and Memorials - a place where anyone could post their personal thoughts about Janet, etc. To me, that's the line. A public forum, a website, what have you, should be left to the discretion of family and friends.

As Jenifred writes, our thoughts, concerns, and feelings are evidenced each and everyday, when we log on to WS to read, to write, to wonder, to sleuth, to still be here, after all these weeks. And I have a feeling that many will be here for the duration - until there is finally justice for Janet, someday, someway, somehow.I completely honor both posts, and I agree to the fullest extent...

I am someone who cares for justice most defintely and completely respect the privacy of others , and especially in this case.

I am a person who reaches out with the best of good intentions only.

Please know I am thankful to you and jenifred for expressing your views, I truly appreciate the honesty.

This is exactly what this forum is for...to keep Janet's memory alive and well...and that justice is served.

I appreciate each of you , and I am so glad to see such a great group of people with true hearts of gold.

Take care.

[golfmom]

My personal thoughts and opinions -

While I appreciate your thoughts Surf Moon Stars, I do think Jenifred is correct. We are here to sleuth this case, as hard and as diligently as we can. And while over these months, many have developed emotional ties to this case, at the end of the day, there's always still a line, albeit a delicate and fine one, that we shouldn't cross. So much of Janet's life is now on display via WS, and rightly so and with the best of intentions - but there still has to be a level of privacy and respect for those who knew Janet - her family and friends.

A thread was created here weeks ago called Memories and Memorials - a place where anyone could post their personal thoughts about Janet, etc. To me, that's the line. A public forum, a website, what have you, should be left to the discretion of family and friends.

As Jenifred writes, our thoughts, concerns, and feelings are evidenced each and everyday, when we log on to WS to read, to write, to wonder, to sleuth, to still be here, after all these weeks. And I have a feeling that many will be here for the duration - until there is finally justice for Janet, someday, someway, somehow.

Dear Lord, I think this is a first, I'm about to disagree with you SES!

It isn't uncommon on the web any longer for anyone who has the means and motivation to set up a memorial website. I know a few were set up for Riley Fox, although it appears that one is in the works by her family right now. I think that there are a number of websites dedicated to the memory of Laci Peterson. And I feel that in many ways, Misterallgood's blog is a kind of memorial to Janet as well.

I guess what I'm saying that if anyone went about setting up a nice site, I know I'd appreciate it at this point. I suspect her family might as well. They just might not be able to deal with creating one themselves right now, or they might not have the skills.

Anyway, the internet is a brave, new world, and I think etiquette here may actually allow a sensitive memorial to Janet. (at least one better than the one set up at 2nutmeg.)

[goodolebv]

So we've heard...but as with most things in this case, its rumor, not fact. In response to Jerseygirl and Timex. What I was told by Janet's mother in May (before the memorial and funeral) was that "the investigator told them not to speak to the media". I replied that was probably a good idea, since often times the media tends to take things and skew them the best way they can to sell a story. It might have been poor advice on my part, but I was just trying to console a grieving mother.

[surf_moon_stars]

Welcome goodolebv~

I am so glad to see this post.

I believe the right choice was made with what you said to Janet's mother about not speaking with media.

You said what you felt was best for Janet's mother and family, and I see that as nothing short of a genuine person who truly cares about their well being.


My best to each of you.

[OffRoad]

Thank you very much Eww and S_M_S. I sincerely appreciate your replies. I was able to view the video by Meech's post, and the feelings of horror just came flying back! Thank you again!

Regarding your question of association, my husband and I went to college with Janet & Raven.

Thank you again.

Hello Offroad. Thanks for breaking your silence :)

There are several of us that have the video downloaded. Maybe there is a way we could send it to you for viewing or put it on another site that people could go to and put a link here. Hey, maybe we could make our own REAL memorial for Janet since her husband isn't???

[JerseyGirl]

In response to Jerseygirl and Timex. What I was told by Janet's mother in May (before the memorial and funeral) was that "the investigator told them not to speak to the media". I replied that was probably a good idea, since often times the media tends to take things and skew them the best way they can to sell a story. It might have been poor advice on my part, but I was just trying to console a grieving mother.Hi goodolebv.

I'm not sure of the context of the quote to which you replied - it must have been one from a while back, and I have trouble remembering what I said yesterday! :) Regardless, I think that any advice given from the heart is good advice. Those that are grieving, especially so suddenly and tragically, are fortunate to have people like you around them to offer love, support, and advice.

[JerseyGirl]

Welcome OffRoad. I'm happy that you've joined the discussions. :)

[OffRoad]

Thank you very much Jersey Girl.

[surf_moon_stars]

Your very welcome OffRoad,

I am glad you did get to view her memorial video, as it was my first time to view today, and I was absolutely touched beyond words.

Glad to see you here and nice to meet you.

[lauriej]

PREFACE--My opinion only.

The whole discussion on the web memorial for Janet was brought up because the lack of it was odd for someone as web oriented as Raven not putting one up. He had stuff up everywhere, posting so many details of his life out where anyone could see it, and then after Janet's death--nothing for her. He continued visiting myspace.com and other sites, but nothing for Janet. And from what we were able to see, he had slowly inched her out of his online viewing for awhile. He had a whole story on one of his earlier websites about how they met, but then the most updated ravenstree.com it was like it was abridged and the good stuff was missing. He mentioned on the VX site that he was going through a divorce when no papers were filed. It just seems like it's odd behavior for a man who says that he loved his wife.

And about creating a web site for Janet's memory. I think that should be left up to the family. It's not our place. From what I've heard here, the Christensens are private people. I don't think that they want every Tom, Dick and Harry to be poking their noses into something that should be personal to them. I think that being here on WS is what we should be doing. Looking for clues to who did this, uncovering things that might be over-looked. Not creating a website for someone that most of the people on this board only know from a memorial video and statements from her friends and aquaintances. We've done our part, Janet's family knows that there are people out there that care because we log into this site day after day when there's no word on any aspects of this case.
...........very well said...

...this forum in itself IS a tribute to janet...............to finding justice ...and to sticking it out until we all see that day....

...and we will........

[ewwwinteresting]

In response to Jerseygirl and Timex. What I was told by Janet's mother in May (before the memorial and funeral) was that "the investigator told them not to speak to the media". I replied that was probably a good idea, since often times the media tends to take things and skew them the best way they can to sell a story. It might have been poor advice on my part, but I was just trying to console a grieving mother.
I'm sure that was correct and kind advise at the time goodolebv.......but......you think now you can you go tell them it's time to start shouting for justice? ;)

[SouthEastSleuth]

Dear Lord, I think this is a first, I'm about to disagree with you SES!

It isn't uncommon on the web any longer for anyone who has the means and motivation to set up a memorial website. I know a few were set up for Riley Fox, although it appears that one is in the works by her family right now. I think that there are a number of websites dedicated to the memory of Laci Peterson. And I feel that in many ways, Misterallgood's blog is a kind of memorial to Janet as well.

I guess what I'm saying that if anyone went about setting up a nice site, I know I'd appreciate it at this point. I suspect her family might as well. They just might not be able to deal with creating one themselves right now, or they might not have the skills.

Anyway, the internet is a brave, new world, and I think etiquette here may actually allow a sensitive memorial to Janet. (at least one better than the one set up at 2nutmeg.)To me, this statement GM, is the key - IF the family endorses a site created in Janet's memory, etc., then to me that's entirely different than a site just being created randomly. It's certainly just my opinion, and from the PMs in my box this morning, LOL, an opinion NOT shared by most, but, I still maintain, personally, that creating a memorial site, at this juncture, WITHOUT being sanctioned by the family, is crossing a line of why we are here. I have no doubt that Janet's family at least, appreciates the efforts of each and every person here. But I do think there are boundaries, or there would be for me personally anyway.

You're absolutely right GM, the internet IS a brave new world, but that world can also step over the line of privacy as a family continues to mourn and grieve. As I wrote previously, so much of Janet's life is now on public display, due primarily to one simple fact - her life was taken from her. That said, it's my feeling that there have to be things that remain close and private, at least for now, for those who knew and loved Janet, her family and friends...creating a public memorial indepentdently of the family, to me anyway, starts to invade the few remaining aspects of privacy for her life. To me it's reminiscent of a phrase often heard in the publishing world - an "unauthorized" biography. Perhaps I'm simply naive and an innocent in some ways, but in this day and age of the internet, identity crimes, online scams, etc., I miss a day where one's privacy was something one held close. And yes, the web is filled with memorial websites for victims, without a doubt. But I guess to me, being a true victim advocate is a partnership of sorts - between the advocate, hand in hand, with those close, the family.

That said, if the family comes forward and says, yes, we want this. Then to me, that's an entirely different cup of tea if you will... and in that event, I have no doubt there are countless folks on WS with the skills and wherewithal to create a lasting and important tribute to Janet and her life.




ps- Darn GM, now I need to look back to make sure I had disagreed with you at some point, at least about something or another! LOL

[PrayersForMaura]

PfM, good to see you back! Where've you been?

Now if we can only get Mr. AG to check back every once and awhile.
Thanks, great to be back. I had to take a break from this forum, I have been frustrated by the lack of media attention and answers. It's like LE is not doing anything!! Or, so it seems. And it's like we are the only ones who seem to care.
And because of that last line, I realized that's why I need to come back and be
here ... to support justice for Janet!!

Where is Mr. AllGood??
What's he been up to?

[JerseyGirl]

IF the family endorses a site created in Janet's memory, etc., then to me that's entirely different than a site just being created randomly. It's certainly just my opinion...I share that opinion 100%. We, as a group, are a tribute of sorts. While the idea of creating a memorial site is a noble one, I don't think that it's our place to make that decision.

[ewwwinteresting]

That said, it's my feeling that there have to be things that remain close and private, at least for now, for those who knew and loved Janet, her family and friends...creating a public memorial indepentdently of the family, to me anyway, starts to invade the few remaining aspects of privacy for her life. To me it's reminiscent of a phrase often heard in the publishing world - an "unauthorized" biography.
SES, are you worried about offending Raven? Because I kinda think all of our other posts have already done that! :)

[SouthEastSleuth]

SES, are you worried about offending Raven? Because I kinda think all of our other posts have already done that! :)
Offending Raven. Hmmm. Never even crossed my mind actually. Somehow, these days when I think of Janet's family, my thoughts tend to lean towards Virginia, not Utah, but, perhaps that's just me...

[Moxie]

Offending Raven. Hmmm. Never even crossed my mind actually. Somehow, these days when I think of Janet's family, my thoughts tend to lean towards Virginia, not Utah, but, perhaps that's just me...Agreed.

[ewwwinteresting]

Offending Raven. Hmmm. Never even crossed my mind actually. Somehow, these days when I think of Janet's family, my thoughts tend to lean towards Virginia, not Utah, but, perhaps that's just me...
I think we all know who really loved Janet.

I'm disagreeing with the memorial site though. There are plenty of posters here that know Janet. Would they be offended if someone put up a memorial site for Janet? It's not like it would state endorsed by the family. If someone is really good at creating a tackful memorial tribute to Janet, I say go for it. Obviously her husband isn't going to and anything would be better than the lame one that's out there now:rolleyes: .

[snapple]

I think we all know who really loved Janet.
It will be interesting to see if Janet's family removes Raven's last name from her grave stone/scholorship fund...like Lori's family did. If Raven did this, I can't imagine them wanting to see his name attached to hers!

[golfmom]

It will be interesting to see if Janet's family removes Raven's last name from her grave stone/scholorship fund...like Lori's family did. If Raven did this, I can't imagine them wanting to see his name attached to hers!

For me, the difference here is Kaiden. It is his mother's name and memory.

[snapple]

For me, the difference here is Kaiden. It is his mother's name and memory.
Oh yes, I forgot about Kaiden having the same last name. Well maybe Kaiden will change his name away from his father's name as Raven did his?

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: Well maybe Kaiden will change his name away from his father's name as Raven did his?
Hmmm, maybe this wasn't supposed to be funny, but I lol when I read it :)

[SouthEastSleuth]

This morning I noticed a change in what remains of Raven's blog page.

When you click the link to "view my complete profile," it appears that a section to see "User Stats" has been placed on the page. I know this information was never there in the past, but I'm not sure if the owner of the page has to add it, or somehow the Blogger site adds the information at some point?

If it's indeed a user defined add, it's curious to wonder why Raven, as he presumably controls his page, would choose to add "User Stats" now, as opposed to when he created the blog. Maybe just curiosity? Perhaps an "ego thing" to see how many people have looked at his profile? Who knows.

Informationally: The "User Stats" show two pieces of information -

On Blogger Since: April 2005
Profile Views: 2353

http://www.blogger.com/profile/8523421

[terminatrixator]

With the stats, Raven may be able to check out IP addresses of who is hitting his blog, which means, he could find out what internet server is being used, what your IP address is, and eventually could take that information and if he has another site put up, he could block that IP from viewing his site.

Since IP's change when you restart your router, or with AOL it is given new one each session, it's kinda moot, but its a way to get sorta a look at who is viewing the site, without knowing completely.

Edited because I said blob instead of blog, but to me it's nothing but a blob!

[terminatrixator]

As far as a Memorial Site, or even a site dedicated to Janet, I think myself and others would be very happy to do so, with their own domain, of course, as a gift to the family, but only with the family's blessing.

[golfmom]

http://www.pocketpcguy.com/

pocketpcguy.com
This domain was recently acquired by Pool.com.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Signature of Raven at another message board . . .

http://www.examnotes.net/article1044411-2.html

__________________
Lifes like a "Rave", enjoy the moment!

"Just when I think I have learned the way to live, life changes and I am left the same. The more things change, the more I am the same. I am what I started with, and when its all over I will be all that is left of me."

- High Prather, novelist

..........his profile at the above site...

Profile For nc_vxSearch for all posts by this user.Date Registered:04-04-05Status:Junior Member Total Posts:3 (0.06 posts per day)Last Post:04-19-05 02:56 PM

In re-reading some old posts/threads, I noticed this one from GM back in late May. I had never noticed the quote that Raven used when posting on this particular site.

In reading it now, after all we know, etc., it truly gives me the creeps.

"Just when I think I have learned the way to live, life changes and I am left the same. The more things change, the more I am the same. I am what I started with, and when its all over I will be all that is left of me."

- High Prather, novelist

I mean talk about a quote to use, particularly by Raven, that just seems laced with forboding.... "and when its all over I will be all that is left of me."

Why choose this quote I wonder? Is it a reflection of Raven's life... or his life in the future?

Maybe it's just me, reading into it, but geez it gives me the creeps!

[Justgimmethetruth]

LOL-the author's name is hUgh prather - freudian slip???

HAHAHA!
:slap:

[Justgimmethetruth]

SES - I think Scotty would be a great model for that orange jumpsuit. Especially if he goes swimming and gets his hair blonded.

[terminatrixator]

LOL. I think Raven would look quite lovely in that Orange Jumpsuit too, and boy, though I didn't get a chance to see Scotty personally model the suit, but followed that case from day 1, I think I will be there to see "the Rave" model his.

[JerseyGirl]

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[golfmom]

Is that the board that he was referred to to help him sell the ducatti?

We've uncovered so much stuff, it's starting to get hard to remember what's what around here.

[JerseyGirl]

Is that the board that he was referred to to help him sell the ducatti?I think it might be. There are only 6 posts from Raven, and the last one was in March so I'm thinking he went there just to sell the Ducati.

I honestly can't remember anymore what's here and what's not. I'm going to have to refamiliarize myself with the early details in this forum. That's a very sad commentary on how long we've been here - still without justice for Janet & her children. :(

[ewwwinteresting]

RULE-ENGINES-INTEREST archives - May 2005

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From: Karyn Bolton <FranklinBarnard@ESCAPINGHADES.COM>
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:02:52 -0700

Not sure what this info is but this escapinghades.com is an interesting site!

[golfmom]

I've stumbled across a cache version of RAven's website that I hadn't seen before.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TBNN0gAsEFsJ:www.ravenstree.com/journal.htm+%22MLS+Cup+2004+was+held+in+the+Home+D epot+Center+in+Carson,+CA%22&hl=en



11/15/04 MLS Cup 2004 was held in the Home Depot Center in Carson, CA this year... And who was there? Yours truly! I'm working on tracking down pictures right now. I didn't take any, but my parents and friends did. It was an awesome experience and something that my friends and I want to make an annual event.

We did some pretty cool stuff while there. Our company was able to give us access to all the pre-game events such as the Opening Ceremonies, Awards Gala, Pre-Game Hospitality and I got to play in the Media Cup. I was able to mingle with the likes of John Harkes, Dwayne DeRosario, Jaime Moreno, and much, much more! The highlight for me was the Media Cup where I played on Paul Calagery's team and where I played against Alexi Lalas and Marcello Balboa. The coolest was when we played against Telemundo, which was a televised game. I got a red card in the last minute, but had pulled off some huge saves prior to that!

Kaiden had a great time meeting his Nana and Tata and we did fun things like go to the beach, visit my Tia Josie and of course eat good food!


10/30/04 Kaiden Experienced his first live Professional soccer game today. We drove 4 hours to DC to see the DC United take on the MetroStars for the semi-finals for the East Coast championship. We sat in the mezzanine level away from the big crowd. Surprisingly Kaiden stayed up almost the entire game. He fell asleep in the last 10 minutes. Unbelievably that's when DC scored two goals and the crowd went nuts... I guess he's not a crazy soccer fan yet, but he'll get there!!!

10/23/04 This weekend was Homecoming Weekend at Southern Virginia University. The boys were back for an Alumni game verses the Varsity Soccer Team... "All for one, one for all, lets all kick there A**" was our theme.
I think the highlight of the game came from one of my closest friends, Paul Johnson (he's the one kneeled next to me in the second image). He is the swiftest and most skilled player I have ever played with and I have played with many professional athletes. He avoided countless tackles, outran everyone who challenged him and just left the varsity team looking stupid every time they tried taking the ball from him. Paul now works for AOL (I know, its a shame) in DC and I still get the pleasure of seeing him a couple times a year!

Anyway, We were victorious 4-1. I had a shutout the first half and an assist as a midfielder the second half. Joy to the world, we can still play, or was SVU that bad?

[golfmom]

Here is an earlier version of SHOW ME THE MONEY!

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:xXpIwgRSKdYJ:www.ravenstree.com/money.htm+%22Show+Me+The+Money%22+%22Raven%27s+Tre e%22&hl=en

The decisions I have made regarding my financial life have taken me down roads I never thought possible at such an early stage in my life. The final decision I made brought me to Durham, NC. While my main focus is on my full time job as a manager for a leading sports company, I also have hobbies on the side. These hobbies include coaching individuals in soccer and managing data on personal digital assistants.

Stay tuned for links and images of what I do to provide for my family, my dogs, and my hobbies!

[golfmom]

I'm just finding new stuff right and left today. I must be on a roll here.

Technology Made Simple by RavensTree.com
Individual Solutions through Individual Service. RavensTree brings technology to the new PC user in the Northern Virdinia Community. Over 15, 000 products to choose from and I will personally attend to setting up
URL:http://www.ravenstree.com/
- Last Updated: 03/17/00 11:49
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:m1KaYUiAUxcJ:www.questfinder.com/search/search.cgi%3Fbz%3D55%26s%3D%2B%26category%3Dcatx3d x%253DTechnology%26match%3Dand%26ul%3Deither%26pag enum%3D49+ravenstree&hl=en

[JerseyGirl]

Great find, gm! Interesting how many trips he's taking, and t-shirts he's buying, etc., a mere month or so before losing his job and needing to ask for free rent, (in spite of embezzling for three months at that point in time).

Hey Raven, why'd you say you stole that stuff again? Was it to buy that Durango that you bought just for your trip out west that Christmas? You know, I've had financial troubles in the past, and they've never included stealing, first of all. But those troubles also never included trips to DC to see soccer games, buying t-shirts for the whole team (what a guy; bet he loved the attention he got for bringing all of those really cool (and completely inappropriate) shirts, or buying new vehicles.

Wow, you must have been really down on your luck, buddy. How did you ever get by?

[golfmom]

:laugh:

Stay tuned for links and images of what I do to provide for my family, my dogs, and my hobbies!

Yeah Raven we stayed tuned and saw exactly what you did to provide for your family, dogs and hobbies. Obviously the hobbies are the only thing that have survived to date.

[Marstan]

I'm just finding new stuff right and left today. I must be on a roll here.

Technology Made Simple by RavensTree.com
Individual Solutions through Individual Service. RavensTree brings technology to the new PC user in the Northern Virdinia Community. Over 15, 000 products to choose from and I will personally attend to setting up
URL:http://www.ravenstree.com/
- Last Updated: 03/17/00 11:49
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:m1KaYUiAUxcJ:www.questfinder.com/search/search.cgi%3Fbz%3D55%26s%3D%2B%26category%3Dcatx3d x%253DTechnology%26match%3Dand%26ul%3Deither%26pag enum%3D49+ravenstree&hl=en
I wasn't able to get this to come up, GM, is it still there?

[golfmom]

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:ePg7sAmOmU4J:www.questfinder.com/search/search.cgi%3Fbz%3D60%26s%3D%2B%26category%3Dcatx3d x%253DTechnology%26match%3Dand%26ul%3Deither+Raven sTree+brings+technology+&hl=en

There is only a cached version of that website. Hopefully the link above will get you to the site.

EDITED TO ADD: If your trying to get into Ravenstree, Raven has completely disabled it ... but you can find parts of it still available around here, as well as in www.archive.org

[SouthEastSleuth]

completely unrelated and off topic - but,

GM - I just looked at your signature line with the pic of Raven, etc. And then I looked at the media reports from when Raven was in NC for the embezzlement hearing, etc. I'm SHOCKED at Raven's appearance! I mean, is it just me, or has he gained like 25 pounds and lost a LOT of hair?????????? Boy, I guess the various stresses in his life are taking their toll on him these days. At this rate, I hate to think what he might look like down the road - - - huge and bald maybe? Geez. Somehow I bet he doesn't have his current picture up for ratings on "hot or not!"...wait, maybe they have a category for "chubby and balding????"

[golfmom]

:laugh: "chubby and balding????"

Was that C&B for short?

BTW, I like my new signature quote too!

[golfmom]

I think Raven has done as much as possible to mitigate us finding his online activites. What's interesting is over time much of the Google Cache has been removed and I've had to use *other* methods to uncover some of the information that has been stored. Here's google's policy:

"Cached Links

Google takes a snapshot of each page examined as it crawls the web and caches these as a back-up in case the original page is unavailable. If you click on the "Cached" link, you will see the web page as it looked when we indexed it. The cached content is the content Google uses to judge whether this page is a relevant match for your query.

When the cached page is displayed, it will have a header at the top which serves as a reminder that this is not necessarily the most recent version of the page. Terms that match your query are highlighted on the cached version to make it easier for you to see why your page is relevant.

The "Cached" link will be missing for sites that have not been indexed, as well as for sites whose owners have requested we not cache their content."

[golfmom]

completely unrelated and off topic - but,

GM - I just looked at your signature line with the pic of Raven, etc. And then I looked at the media reports from when Raven was in NC for the embezzlement hearing, etc. I'm SHOCKED at Raven's appearance! I mean, is it just me, or has he gained like 25 pounds and lost a LOT of hair?????????? Boy, I guess the various stresses in his life are taking their toll on him these days. At this rate, I hate to think what he might look like down the road - - - huge and bald maybe? Geez. Somehow I bet he doesn't have his current picture up for ratings on "hot or not!"...wait, maybe they have a category for "chubby and balding????"

OMGosh!!!! I just did a google search for futbalrguy. Do you know what it offers as an alternative suggestion?

Did you mean: fatbaldguy LOL!

another interesting tidbit going through our own archives here ... raven had at least two gmail accounts raven.abaroa@gmail.com and pocketpcguy@gmail.com.

Makes me wonder why LE was sooooo interested in getting GOOGLE's records .... hmmmm

[golfmom]

We did some pretty cool stuff while there. Our company was able to give us access to all the pre-game events such as the Opening Ceremonies, Awards Gala, Pre-Game Hospitality and I got to play in the Media Cup. I was able to mingle with the likes of John Harkes, Dwayne DeRosario, Jaime Moreno, and much, much more! The highlight for me was the Media Cup where I played on Paul Calagery's team and where I played against Alexi Lalas and Marcello Balboa. The coolest was when we played against Telemundo, which was a televised game. I got a red card in the last minute, but had pulled off some huge saves prior to that!

Red Card Means a player is ejected from the game & may not be replaced (i.e., his team must "play short"). A red card does not have to be preceded by a "Yellow Card". (See "Cards" and "Rules").

ETA: Here's another definition ... Red Card - If a player has already received a yellow card or commits an overly aggressive foul, the referee will issue a red card, removing that player for the duration of the game. The player receiving a red card may not be replaced, and his or her team must play with one less player for the remainder of the game.

ETA AGAIN: Players are penalized for rough or unfair play through the use of cards. When a referee gives a player a yellow card, it is considered a stern warning. A serious infraction, such as an act of violence of some type on the field, will earn a player a red card. A red card signifies the player has been ejected from the game and cannot be replaced, meaning the player's team has to play with less players.

Why doesn't it surprise me that Raven was ejected and his team penalized by not allowing a replacement for him? Sounds like a serious case of poor-sportsmanship to me.

[JerseyGirl]

Why doesn't it surprise me that Raven was ejected and his team penalized by not allowing a replacement for him? Sounds like a serious case of poor-sportsmanship to me.And you know what? The way he mentioned it, it was almost with pride.

"I got a red card in the last minute, but had pulled off some huge saves prior to that!"

Is it considered cool in some circles to get a red card? Does Raven have aggresive and determined sportsmanship confused with hostility and unnecessary roughness?

[Annandale1998]

Just out of curiosity, has anybody tried to email the 2nutmeg "tribulation"?

Or do you think it is just a place to put your blessings for Janet and the family.

Totally off the wall question, but it seems a bit odd a place to put an email link.

[golfmom]

Just out of curiosity, has anybody tried to email the 2nutmeg "tribulation"?

Or do you think it is just a place to put your blessings for Janet and the family.

Totally off the wall question, but it seems a bit odd a place to put an email link.

It's not an email link. Someone who doesn't really know what they're doing put that together.

[golfmom]

I've stumbled across a cache version of RAven's website that I hadn't seen before.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TBNN0gAsEFsJ:www.ravenstree.com/journal.htm+%22MLS+Cup+2004+was+held+in+the+Home+D epot+Center+in+Carson,+CA%22&hl=en

11/15/04 MLS Cup 2004 was held in the Home Depot Center in Carson, CA this year...

10/30/04 Kaiden Experienced his first live Professional soccer ..........

10/23/04 This weekend was Homecoming Weekend at Southern Virginia University. .......


You know looking at the dates here, Kaiden went to the Homecoming Weekend when he was just 6 days old and all the way across the country before he was one month old for the MLS Cup.

[Jenifred]

Could it be that Raven, the insensitive putz that he's proven himself to be, left his wife and newborn son for a homecoming weekend? 6 days old? I would have put him through the ringer for that. I sure hope that she didn't have the baby blues (personally, I would have cried the whole time my husband was gone--no help and no clue what to do with a new little baby!).

But he took a 4-week-old across the country so he could go to a soccer convention (or whatever it's called)?!?

I can honestly say that by each new day, my distaste for Raven sinks to new lows. Insensitive, self-centered, immature, balding, fat, good for nothing. Each day I add a new adjective to my list.

[lauriej]

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:ePg7sAmOmU4J:www.questfinder.com/search/search.cgi%3Fbz%3D60%26s%3D%2B%26category%3Dcatx3d x%253DTechnology%26match%3Dand%26ul%3Deither+Raven sTree+brings+technology+&hl=en

There is only a cached version of that website. Hopefully the link above will get you to the site.

EDITED TO ADD: If your trying to get into Ravenstree, Raven has completely disabled it ... but you can find parts of it still available around here, as well as in www.archive.org (http://www.archive.org)
..thanks for this gm....
...i was looking back at some of the ravenstree archives, hadn't remembered this:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/www.ravenstree.com/favorite.htm

This is a list of some of our favorite sites on the web. As you will see below, I love working for myself and some of these sites really show that. If you have any sites to share with us, send an email (rabaroa@ravenstree.com) our way!

http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.ravenstree.com/_themes/sumipntg/sumbul1a.gifHandTech (http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.handtech.com/rt) - This site is brought to you by Handtech.com (http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.handtech.com/rt) and yours truly to provide over 15,000 technical products. Of-course, as a family member or friend of the family, you will get the best deal I can give. My mom got me started with HandTech and her site can be found here (http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.girlsrtechies2.com/).

http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.ravenstree.com/_themes/sumipntg/sumbul1a.gif2nutmeg.net (http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.2nutmeg.net/)- First of all, isn't that a catchy name!? This is my site as well. Through a partnership with Scoreboard Sports in Utah, I am able to provide the soccer community in VA with the best product at a great price. Best of all, they are getting service from someone they can trust and who can assist them in truly finding the best product out there.



........so, he was also selling soccer gear back in 2001....i guess he got over that "trust worthy" thing once he left utah.....

[lauriej]

...a press release for 2nutmeg back in july 2001.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011015065631/2nutmeg.net/pr01.htm

2Nutmeg goes live on the World Wide Web.
Raven is reaching out across Virginia

July 15, 2001 -- In June of 2001, after committing himself to train Fredericksburg Academy and a youth team up north, Raven realized that now was the time to launch his soccer training programs. Raven has been giving back to the community since he was 15. "I saw how soccer changed my life... I thought I was the best keeper in the world. I didn't allow 1 goal in season or tournament play when I was on the U-13 Crusaders. Honestly, I hardly ever had a shot on goal, I had a lot of work to do if I wanted to make it. Many coaches took me under their wing. I made it, and now I want to help others make it."

2Nutmeg started in March of 2000, but it is coming alive in Fredericksburg!

Jacob Isaac Abaroa-Peters (baseballismypassion@yahoo.com)

............you know, reading his "old stuff"........he was so full of promise, so EXCITED about everything that was going on..........the guy had potential for success...................what happened to him ??

[lauriej]

2nutmeg.net (http://web.archive.org/web/20010408040021/http://www.2nutmeg.net/)- First of all, isn't that a catchy name!? This is my site as well. (from raven..)

........thanks gm for the 'red card' info.......( until you explained it, i had read it as probably a good thing the way he was gloating about it..)

...since the 2nutmeg was originally his 'soccer site', and he thinks it's 'so catchy".......does anyone know what the 2nutmeg is in reference to ? ( i don't know soccer, or their terminology AT all...........)

[ewwwinteresting]

...a press release for 2nutmeg back in july 2001.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011015065631/2nutmeg.net/pr01.htm

2Nutmeg goes live on the World Wide Web.
Raven is reaching out across Virginia

July 15, 2001 -- In June of 2001, after committing himself to train Fredericksburg Academy and a youth team up north, Raven realized that now was the time to launch his soccer training programs. Raven has been giving back to the community since he was 15. "I saw how soccer changed my life... I thought I was the best keeper in the world. I didn't allow 1 goal in season or tournament play when I was on the U-13 Crusaders. Honestly, I hardly ever had a shot on goal, I had a lot of work to do if I wanted to make it. Many coaches took me under their wing. I made it, and now I want to help others make it."

2Nutmeg started in March of 2000, but it is coming alive in Fredericksburg!

Jacob Isaac Abaroa-Peters (baseballismypassion@yahoo.com)

............you know, reading his "old stuff"........he was so full of promise, so EXCITED about everything that was going on..........the guy had potential for success...................what happened to him ??
I was wondering too what 2nutmeg stood for?

Am I reading this right? His brother wrote his "press release"....LOL!! Talk about desperate. I'm thinking raven was more full of himself then promise and success. :loser:

[ewwwinteresting]

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Wow...such a helpful mom to get him started into so many "things"!!

[golfmom]

2nutmeg is a soccer term. The link will show you how to nutmeg an opponent in soccer:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5258_nutmeg-defender-soccer.html

Tips:
The trick is to get the defender off-balance.

A defender becomes more vulnerable the more times she has to shift her weight.

.............

Nice name to stick a memorial for his wife under. :sick:

[JerseyGirl]

Am I reading this right? His brother wrote his "press release"....LOL!! Talk about desperate. I'm thinking raven was more full of himself then promise and success. :loser:That's exactly what I was thinking! He sounds boastful and arrogant to me. Announcing that he's going "live on the Internet", posting "press releases". Gimme a break. :rolleyes: Sounds like he wanted to be as important as he made himself sound.

I really like the quote in the press release. Makes it sound like someone was interviewing him on his great success. In reality, it was him and his brother trying to come up with something that sounded professional and credible. Frankly, I find it nauseating and the wording is incredibly tacky. If he could have stopped stroking his ego for a second and a half, maybe he would have noticed that he was the only one that found himself so completely irresistable. :sick: :sick: :sick:

[golfmom]

JG, another thing about his press release is that he's bragging about his great soccer achievements when he was in the under 13 division, and then goes on to say he made it!!!! Made it where?

We never did find any information he was any more than a complete field-fairy wannabe. Did he make All-State at his High School? I can't even find him on an old soccer roster for college. I think that he spent more time warming benches because coaches knew that he was a huge liability out on the field with his *anger issues.*

[JerseyGirl]

JG, another thing about his press release is that he's bragging about his great soccer achievements when he was in the under 13 division, and then goes on to say he made it!!!! Made it where?
LOL, I didn't even think about that. How on Earth do you brag about going live on the Internet, giving back to the community since the age of 15 (:sick: ), issuing press releases, etc., to start your "business" of soccer trainer when you haven't been anything special since you were in the Under 13 division???? Well, this is nothing new. Raven does talk up his minor achievements, even if they happened when he was pre-pubescent. Apparently, he hasn't really accomplished much since then that he could offer.

We never did find any information he was any more than a complete field-fairy wannabe. Did he make All-State at his High School? I can't even find him on an old soccer roster for college. I think that he spent more time warming benches because coaches knew that he was a huge liability out on the field with his *anger issues.*Maybe that's what it comes down to. Maybe he COULD have been great if he could have controlled himself. But if he never became anything beyond the 13 year-old (and under) age group, when exactly did this temper of his surface, I wonder.

[Jenifred]

............you know, reading his "old stuff"........he was so full of promise, so EXCITED about everything that was going on..........the guy had potential for success...................what happened to him ??OOOOOOH, I got this one!!

He wanted too much too quickly.
He didn't appreciate what he had.
He was never satisfied.
He was always looking for something better.
AND
He peaked too soon.

[SouthEastSleuth]

OOOOOOH, I got this one!!

He wanted too much too quickly.
He didn't appreciate what he had.
He was never satisfied.
He was always looking for something better.

This old saying comes to mind:

"the grass is always greener on the other side..."

Wonder if ravens like ORANGE grass?

[JerseyGirl]

You both forgot the fact that he doesn't want to work for the things he wants. He seems to just expect things to be handed to him, as if he's somehow entitled. AND Raven only seems to like things when they're easy. As soon as things get tough, he looks for the easy way out - whether it's ethical or not.

[Jenifred]

You both forgot the fact that he didn't want to work for what he wanted. He seems to just expect things to be handed to him, as if he's somehow entitled.
I'll add that to the list, thanks.

[Jenifred]

OOOOOOH, I got this one!!

He wanted too much too quickly.
He didn't appreciate what he had.
He was never satisfied.
He was always looking for something better.
AND
He peaked too soon.
Wanted everything without working for it.

[JerseyGirl]

I'll add that to the list, thanks.Wait! I edited! You're too fast for me! LOL.

[goodolebv]

[QUOTE=Jenifred]Could it be that Raven, the insensitive p