Crime scene information

[golfmom]

Information from the search warrant:

Search warrant issued: 4/27/05 3:15 a.m.
Search warrant executed: 4/27/05 5:45 a.m.

Application for search warrant:
On April 26, 2005 at 10:58 p.m. uniform patrol officers responded to 2606 Ferrand Drive in reference to a gun shot wound. At 11:50 p.m. I, WL Early, arrived at the above location. At 11:55pm I spoke with Off. Jason Williams on car #221, who advised that he had received the call to this location in reference to a gun shot wound. Off. Williams advised this investigator that when he arrived at the scene, he spoke with a Mr. Raven Abaroa, who advised that his wife was upstairs,, and that she was hurt. Off. Williams entered the residence, and observed a white female in a upstairs bedroom, laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest.
On April 27, 2005 at 12:13 a.m. I, Inv. Early entered the residence and I observed in a upstairs bedroom, the body of a white female laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest. There was a large amount of blood near the body, there was stains on the walls of the bedroom, and there was blood stains near the side door of the residence, located on the South side.
At approximately 12:25am, I departed the residence.

[golfmom]

At the time the search warrant was executed there was no one at the residence.

Property Incident Report:

Gatoraide bottle
Swabs were taken from a vehicle, interior door & lock; driver’s seat; driver’s door handle
Numerous soil samples
Trace from driver floorboard & driver seat
recovered from Dodge Durango

Swabbings & control taken from the following locations:
Kitchen Counter
Master Bathroom Floor
Opposite wall of victim in office
Desk Door
Back of Desk
Wall adjacent to victim
Carpet below victim

House keys
Car Keys
shoes Nike (sandals) & Sketcher
books & notebook from master bedroom (from master bedroom tv stand)
Check – Matrix Capitol $1201.65
Personal papers (daily planner & checkbook from kitchen)
Personal safe
Block of knives (complete set of sissors) Faberwear
Palm pilot charger (note: where’s the palm pilot?) HP
Shirt (pierre cardin)
Shoes (adidas 10.5)
Car loan papers

Knife with case (from vehicle) Bear Claw
Pawn Ticket (from vehicle) 813953 NATIONAL
Swabbings from vehicle: (Consistent with one from left front door and one from the window)
recovered from Dodge Durango as per media reports

[golfmom]

Trace – victim’s left hand
Trace – victim’s right hand
Office carpet
Cell phone
Paper in foyer (closest to ?)
Paper in foyer (closest to bathroom)
Swabbings and control from interior side storm door and interior side door frame.

Currency, color silver, value $10
was recovered beside the creek in front of the residence

The following items were collected directly from the victim’s husband, Raven Abaroa
Sweatshirt; adidas
Shirt, nike
shoes, nike
undershirt, kappa
shoes, color multi, climcool
socks, white
socks, blue

[golfmom]

http://www.wral.com/news/4443707/detail.html

When the 911 call came in last Tuesday, police thought they were responding to a shooting. After officers got to the house on Ferrand Drive, Janet Abaroa's husband, Raven, told them his wife was upstairs hurt.

Authorities found the 25-year-old mother on the bedroom floor. According to police, she had been stabbed in the chest. Court papers show there were large amounts of blood on the floor, on the wall and near a side door of the home.

Investigators stayed on the scene nearly 24 hours collecting evidence. Some of the items seized include a block of knives, financial items, including a checkbook and loan papers and a cell phone. Police searched the couple's Dodge Durango, where they found a knife and a pawn shop ticket.

Authorities also collected soil samples from the SUV and took swabbings from various locations in the house. They also took the clothes Abaroa's husband had been wearing.

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[vero]

At the time the search warrant was executed there was no one at the residence.

Property Incident Report:

Gatoraide bottle
Swabs were taken from a vehicle, interior door & lock; driver’s seat; driver’s door handle
Numerous soil samples
Trace from driver floorboard & driver seat
recovered from Dodge Durango

Swabbings & control taken from the following locations:
Kitchen Counter
Master Bathroom Floor
Opposite wall of victim in office
Desk Door
Back of Desk
Wall adjacent to victim
Carpet below victim

House keys
Car Keys
shoes Nike (sandals) & Sketcher
books & notebook from master bedroom (from master bedroom tv stand)
Check – Matrix Capitol $1201.65
Personal papers (daily planner & checkbook from kitchen)
Personal safe
Block of knives (complete set of sissors) Faberwear
Palm pilot charger (note: where’s the palm pilot?) HP
Shirt (pierre cardin)
Shoes (adidas 10.5)
Car loan papers

Knife with case (from vehicle) Bear Claw
Pawn Ticket (from vehicle) 813953 NATIONAL
Swabbings from vehicle: (Consistent with one from left front door and one from the window)
recovered from Dodge Durango as per media reports
Looks like the knife in the truck is not the same knife he had in the "Merry Christmas" video. I looked up "Bear Claw," and they are pretty expensive hand-made knives. Maybe he had "upgraded."

[MistyGirl]

Ok I have been trying to read all th eposts on this case and get caught up...Phew what a job. This is a very sad case and I hope that it will be solved soon. But I have a few questions:

I thought I read somewhere that it was 2 friends......maybe co workers that called the police because they went to her house after she didn't respond to an email???? Is that true??? Please someone clarify did the husband call 911 or the friends or did they both and who was there when the police arrived after the 911 call? Thanks in advance for your help. I am sure this info has been posted some where here but I have been reading now for a few hours and I find conflicting reports.

[golfmom]

I thought I read somewhere that it was 2 friends......maybe co workers that called the police because they went to her house after she didn't respond to an email???? Is that true??? Please someone clarify did the husband call 911 or the friends or did they both and who was there when the police arrived after the 911 call? Thanks in advance for your help. I am sure this info has been posted some where here but I have been reading now for a few hours and I find conflicting reports.

There are two separate versions of the events being reported by the media that are vastly different. No one has been able to reconcile these vastly different accounts of what occured.

Interestingly, LE has not released direct information on who actually made the 911 call, just that they received one.

[golfmom]

Looks like the knife in the truck is not the same knife he had in the "Merry Christmas" video. I looked up "Bear Claw," and they are pretty expensive hand-made knives. Maybe he had "upgraded."

In the video he said ....

I collect knives.

[LadyGraffix@mac.com]

Currency, color silver, value $10
was recovered beside the creek in front of the residence

:waitasec:

This is the first I've seen of the total amount of change found. Ten dollars is quite a bit of change, even if its all in quarters. This has got me extremely curious.

[golfmom]

:waitasec:

This is the first I've seen of the total amount of change found. Ten dollars is quite a bit of change, even if its all in quarters. This has got me extremely curious.

We've speculated that it might be for payphones ... you know those pesky cell phone records ... :rolleyes:

[LadyGraffix@mac.com]

We've speculated that it might be for payphones ... you know those pesky cell phone records ... :rolleyes:

That's a reasonable thought. When I first heard about the silver change found, I was thinking collected change from purchases that could have fallen out of someone's pocket. This goes pretty far beyond that.

Someone carrying that much change would be pretty weighted down and noisy . . . I wonder if the creek was used as a getaway path to hide tracks; maybe not just a place to wash up.

[MistyGirl]

There are two separate versions of the events being reported by the media that are vastly different. No one has been able to reconcile these vastly different accounts of what occured.

Interestingly, LE has not released direct information on who actually made the 911 call, just that they received one.Thanks for the info Golfmom! I did read the search warrant and the officer states that when he arrived at the home the husband WAS there....so if that is stated in the search warrant would at mean it was a FACT that the husband was there when they arrived and go against the media reports that when police arrived the husband was not there? I know that still doesn't clear up who actualy placed the 911 call..............I really want to know who actually placed that call...it is driving me nutz. I wonder if there two calls placed to 911 one by the friend/co-worker and one by the husband??????? Hmmmmm....

Edit because I was wrong after going back and re reading the search warrant sorry everyone.....

[golfmom]

That's a reasonable thought. When I first heard about the silver change found, I was thinking collected change from purchases that could have fallen out of someone's pocket. This goes pretty far beyond that.

Someone carrying that much change would be pretty weighted down and noisy . . . I wonder if the creek was used as a getaway path to hide tracks; maybe not just a place to wash up.

I'm not sure, but another thing that's bothered me is Raven's sister writing the whole poopy-head thing to him just before Janet's body was discovered. Was he chatting away with her and she logged on to send him a special message? Creeps me for sure.

[LadyGraffix@mac.com]

I'm not sure, but another thing that's bothered me is Raven's sister writing the whole poopy-head thing to him just before Janet's body was discovered. Was he chatting away with her and she logged on to send him a special message? Creeps me for sure.

I agree, that bugs me too. Particularly the taunting way she drew out his name.

[golfmom]

Information regarding the second search.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/story/2368794p-8746832c.html

DURHAM -- Police say a Durham woman found dead in her home last week was stabbed, and a search warrant indicates that investigators wanted to further examine the family's SUV to determine the vehicle's "relationship" to the homicide.
.......
Police have named no suspects, and no charges have been filed.

"Nothing in the investigation so far indicates that the homicide was a random act," Kammie Michael, a Durham Police Department spokeswoman, said in a news release Monday. "Investigators are still looking into several possibilities."

On Thursday, Durham police Cpl. B.E. Bradley was granted to a warrant to search a 1998 Dodge Durango belonging to Raven Abaroa, the victim's husband. The warrant indicates that the day before, police had searched the SUV and the home the couple rented in western Durham off Sparger Road.

After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said.

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

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[JerseyGirl]

After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said.

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

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Very interesting report that I hadn't seen before now.

I also want to mention that like someone else said, $10 IS a lot of change, even in quarters. Yes, someone could have been carrying it to make a call or calls from a pay phone but it seems to me that if ten dollars worth of change falls out of your pocket, you'd notice. It seems to me that someone would either have placed it there intentionally or knew that it had fallen, and decided not to pick it back up again for some reason.

[golfmom]

I also want to mention that like someone else said, $10 IS a lot of change, even in quarters. Yes, someone could have been carrying it to make a call or calls from a pay phone but it seems to me that if ten dollars worth of change falls out of your pocket, you'd notice. It seems to me that someone would either have placed it there intentionally or knew that it had fallen, and decided not to pick it back up again for some reason.

I had to go back to double-check just to make sure, and it does say $10 under the heading
"Value $ Recovered"

[Samurai]

Very interesting report that I hadn't seen before now.

I also want to mention that like someone else said, $10 IS a lot of change, even in quarters. Yes, someone could have been carrying it to make a call or calls from a pay phone but it seems to me that if ten dollars worth of change falls out of your pocket, you'd notice. It seems to me that someone would either have placed it there intentionally or knew that it had fallen, and decided not to pick it back up again for some reason.

What $10 in silver coins made me think of immediately was a roll of quarters. I used to get quarters like this a lot. You can use them for....

coin operated washers and dryers (Thank heavens I do not do this anymore,)
pay phones
pool games
pay video games
parking meters
vending machines

I think it's a good clue, since it says something about the person's lifestyle.

If it was all quarters, and being carried loose in a jacket, was the creek big enough that whoever this was could have simply taken the quarters out of the pocket and thrown the jacket in the creek, allowing it to float away, and then just forgotten to pick the quarters up?

Or, if the person took the jacket off and put it on the ground, the quarters could have slid out of the pocket when he/she picked the jacket back up, not making any noise. Maybe he/she wouldn't realize just then that the weight of them was gone.

BTW, Hi! I used to post here a lot--haven't been doing it so much recently, but do read, and the info on this forum is great!

[LvsAMystry]

:waitasec:

This is the first I've seen of the total amount of change found. Ten dollars is quite a bit of change, even if its all in quarters. This has got me extremely curious.

I just read about this amount also, probably all in quarters. I'm thinking laundramat.

[ewwwinteresting]

Something to think about.....the change may mean nothing. If they took a metal detector to the yard (hoping to find the knife?), it would have picked up change also. The ten dollars in change could have been all around the creek and not in one spot???

[lauriej]

Something to think about.....the change may mean nothing. If they took a metal detector to the yard (hoping to find the knife?), it would have picked up change also. The ten dollars in change could have been all around the creek and not in one spot???
.........40 quarters is a LOT to be laying around , in one spot, or here and there....

...i think the roll of quarters fell out of someone's pocket while they were rushing to/by the creek.....to wash off blood? get away ? ..it's quite a lot of weight to not normally notice...

[ewwwinteresting]

.........40 quarters is a LOT to be laying around , in one spot, or here and there....

...i think the roll of quarters fell out of someone's pocket while they were rushing to/by the creek.....to wash off blood? get away ? ..it's quite a lot of weight to not normally notice...

Do we know it was $10 in quarters? Maybe I missed that. I thought it was change....nickles, dimes, quarters.

[lauriej]

Do we know it was $10 in quarters? Maybe I missed that. I thought it was change....nickles, dimes, quarters.
.............nope............we do not know the denomination of coins.....i was just using a roll of quarters=$10 as speculation.......

[JerseyGirl]

BTW, Hi! I used to post here a lot--haven't been doing it so much recently, but do read, and the info on this forum is great!Hi Samurai! I think that your ideas about the coins are great. I am intrigued by the idea that it could have been a roll of quarters that slipped out quietly. If there was a change of clothes and perhaps a bag kept next to the creek, the perp could have gone to the creek to clean up, put the dirty clothes in the bag, and then move on. If this person is grabbing a bag of clothes, a jacket, and trying to get away without being seen, I can definitely see him or her not noticing the missing weight. And if there was a murder weapon being carried away in a bag, as well as any stolen items like computers, etc., it doesn't seem at all unreasonable to think that the quarters would not be missed. In fact, the juggling all of these items, and it being a roll of quarters is the only thing that seems to make any sense to me.

Does anyone know how well lit the house/street/creek are?

ETA: Is it possible that rolls of coins could have been stolen from the house, and that one was dropped in a similar scenario to the one above? And either s/he didn't notice because s/he was carrying so many or it was too dark to locate it once it had dropped?

I wonder if Janet & Raven had a washer & dryer? If not, it could be possible that they had rolls of quarters around for the purpose of a laundromat as you mentioned.

E(again)TA: If someone noticed Raven leaving in his soccer uniform, they could have easily assumed that he wouldn't be home for a while, especially if it's someone who knows him.

[Samurai]

Hi, JerseyGirl!

This is really an interesting case because everyone concerned--Raven, Janet's family, LE--are being so closemouthed about it. We have heard Nothing about Raven's story, whether he came home and found her that way, When he came home, where he'd been, what he did upon arriving home... Nothing.

A roll of quarters came to mind because of the even figure. Ten dollars. Maybe LE just estimated, although I doubt it, but it is highly unusual that loose change carried anywhere, in a pocket or purse, would come out to exactly ten dollars. If a roll got wet, the paper might have disintegrated and left the coins in a pile. Just speculation, or course.

More speculation is about the blood. It is remotely possible that the stabbing took place by the side door and she was then carried up to the bedroom. If she had run, (and she might not have been able to,) there would have been a trail and they don't mention one. Just two places with bloodstains, separated by a house interior with a stairway.

The other possibility is that the stabbing took place in the bedroom, and the murderer brushed against the outside of the house going out and left blood from clothing there. Which means that the clothing had to be gotten rid of.

If they suspected Raven, they should have looked at his shoes to see if there was creek mud on them. And searched that creek for clothing and a knife. How big is the creek anyway--does anybody know? Even in a small one, clothing and weapons could just be put under rocks.

[Thinkoflaura]

Could they use muddy shoes as evidence? I mean, since he LIVED next to the creek, wouldn't it be easy to explain the presence of mud?
" Showing Kaiden a crayfish, turtle, fill in the blank".
"Looking for the endangered snail darter".
" Fishing for our supper".
So forth and so on...

How does that work when the mud is either on or ajacent to one's property?

[ewwwinteresting]

The other possibility is that the stabbing took place in the bedroom, and the murderer brushed against the outside of the house going out and left blood from clothing there. Which means that the clothing had to be gotten rid of.
My :twocents: are on this scenario.

[golfmom]

In another case that I have been following a startling thought just occurred to me that relates to this case ...

In that other case water usage within the home is becoming an interesting lynch-pin issue ... the time and amount water used might be what proves or disproves the possibility of a father murdering his young daughter.

Could that be why the creek is so important in this case? Could the murderer have cleaned up outside not only to avoid leaving trace evidence in the drains, but to leave no trace of the clean up all together?

[Jenifred]

In another case that I have been following a startling thought just occurred to me that relates to this case ...

In that other case water usage within the home is becoming an interesting lynch-pin issue ... the time and amount water used might be what proves or disproves the possibility of a father murdering his young daughter.

Could that be why the creek is so important in this case? Could the murderer have cleaned up outside not only to avoid leaving trace evidence in the drains, but to leave no trace of the clean up all together?
I've been thinking this all along. But I still don't know if there is enough water in the creek to have cleaned up or not.

[JerseyGirl]

More speculation is about the blood. It is remotely possible that the stabbing took place by the side door and she was then carried up to the bedroom. If she had run, (and she might not have been able to,) there would have been a trail and they don't mention one. Just two places with bloodstains, separated by a house interior with a stairway.
Depending on the locations and severity of the stab wounds, it could be that someone attempted to stab her at the door, whereas she put her hand over the initial wound, and ran to escape her attacker. If the initial wound at the door wasn't too severe, she could have possibly made it upstairs without dripping blood. The only thing that I don't understand if this scenario is true is why she would have run upstairs rather than out the front door to scream for help or something. I could see if she was trying to grab the baby to get away but if an attacker was in pursuit, I wouldn't think that she would bring the attacker closer to where the baby was. Of course, in a panic she could have but she wasn't found in the hallway or in the baby's room as far as I can tell. She was found in the bedroom that was referred to in the search warrant as an "office".

[JerseyGirl]

A roll of quarters came to mind because of the even figure. Ten dollars. Maybe LE just estimated, although I doubt it, but it is highly unusual that loose change carried anywhere, in a pocket or purse, would come out to exactly ten dollars. If a roll got wet, the paper might have disintegrated and left the coins in a pile. Just speculation, or course.
I'm as sure as I can be that LE wouldn't estimate when collecting evidence. And it is extremely unlikely that the exact amount of spilled change would come out to that amount, (although possible - or perhaps whomever dropped it only had ten dollars in total). And as I've stated before, if ten dollars worth of change had fallen out of your pocket in loose coins, you'd have to have heard it, wouldn't you? Maybe the person did hear it but didn't have the time to collect it, and figured that it wasn't a "smoking gun" type of thing so just left it. Or it could have been planted there - but why? and by whom?

[golfmom]

I'm as sure as I can be that LE wouldn't estimate when collecting evidence. And it is extremely unlikely that the exact amount of spilled change would come out to that amount, (although possible - or perhaps whomever dropped it only had ten dollars in total). And as I've stated before, if ten dollars worth of change had fallen out of your pocket in loose coins, you'd have to have heard it, wouldn't you? Maybe the person did hear it but didn't have the time to collect it, and figured that it wasn't a "smoking gun" type of thing so just left it. Or it could have been planted there - but why? and by whom?

I've been wondering if the just put an approximate value of silver recovered? Or was the exact amount?

[JerseyGirl]

Hi, JerseyGirl!

This is really an interesting case because everyone concerned--Raven, Janet's family, LE--are being so closemouthed about it. We have heard Nothing about Raven's story, whether he came home and found her that way, When he came home, where he'd been, what he did upon arriving home... Nothing.
You mean in Raven's own words? I also don't understand why we haven't heard anything from anyone. But it could be that Raven is too distraught to talk to the media. We've heard that he was so distraught when speaking to Janet's family that they couldn't understand what he was saying.

[anneshirley]

Depending on the locations and severity of the stab wounds, it could be that someone attempted to stab her at the door, whereas she put her hand over the initial wound, and ran to escape her attacker. If the initial wound at the door wasn't too severe, she could have possibly made it upstairs without dripping blood. The only thing that I don't understand if this scenario is true is why she would have run upstairs rather than out the front door to scream for help or something. I could see if she was trying to grab the baby to get away but if an attacker was in pursuit, I wouldn't think that she would bring the attacker closer to where the baby was. Of course, in a panic she could have but she wasn't found in the hallway or in the baby's room as far as I can tell. She was found in the bedroom that was referred to in the search warrant as an "office".
Just a thought...was she trying to get to a phone? My bedroom also serves as my office (i.e., I have my computer and accessories, my desk, my phone...) if I were in trouble and lived in a more secluded neighborhood (which I thought their house was a bit off the road, right? or am I just midreading posts?), I'd go straight to the telephone...and it may be that the only phone they had, including cell phone was in their bedroom.

[JerseyGirl]

I've been wondering if the just put an approximate value of silver recovered? Or was the exact amount?IMO, there's absolutely no way that that is an approximated value. It was collected as possible evidence, after all. I'm sure that it's the correct amount. But I would think that if it was a roll of quarters, they would have listed it as such. (?)

[golfmom]

IMO, there's absolutely no way that that is an approximated value. It was collected as possible evidence, after all. I'm sure that it's the correct amount. But I would think that if it was a roll of quarters, they would have listed it as such. (?)

There was plenty of room for description.

[JerseyGirl]

Just a thought...was she trying to get to a phone? My bedroom also serves as my office (i.e., I have my computer and accessories, my desk, my phone...) if I were in trouble and lived in a more secluded neighborhood (which I thought their house was a bit off the road, right? or am I just midreading posts?), I'd go straight to the telephone...and it may be that the only phone they had, including cell phone was in their bedroom. That's a good point. I don't think that their neighborhood was all that secluded - I think that someone would have heard her scream if she had gone out front. And it was before 11 P.M. so there's a good likelihood that people would still have been awake somewhere.

[golfmom]

That's a good point. I don't think that their neighborhood was all that secluded - I think that someone would have heard her scream if she had gone out front. And it was before 11 P.M. so there's a good likelihood that people would still have been awake somewhere.

JerseyGirl, I've been told that it was quite secluded.

[JerseyGirl]

There was plenty of room for description.
If it were a roll of quarters, I really think that they would have listed it that way. The word currency is so basic - it could mean any kind of currency. So all we know is that it was ten dollars worth of "silver" currency. Is it possible that it's actual silver? A ten-dollar coin? I don't collect coins so I don't know if there is such a thing but could there have been a coin collection or something in the house that was stolen, and this ten dollar piece fell out during the escape? Perhaps the attack happened because Janet heard something, assumed it was Raven, and walked into a robbery in progress in another part of the house, (although if I were a robber, I'd wait until later at night - but then again, the man of the house wasn't home - that probably would present less of a struggle if s/he were to be caught in the act). If Raven's soccer nights were on the same day every week, this person could have scoped out their house before-hand.

[anneshirley]

JerseyGirl, I've been told that it was quite secluded.
From photos on Raven's website (and they may not necessarily be in their neighborhood) it looks like the house isn't terribly close to people. Which is why, I think she may have gone to a place where she could get help..

[JerseyGirl]

JerseyGirl, I've been told that it was quite secluded.
Yes, but what I mean is that there were houses close enough that a shrill scream at 11:00 P.M. would have been heard by someone. While the property was surrounded by trees, you can clearly see other homes in the background of the photographs. So while you might not be able to see onto the property very well, the sound of a scream would have been able to carry, IMO.

[JerseyGirl]

Does the satellite image of the area have a scale or something that we can use to determine how far their home was from the others in the area?

[golfmom]

I thought someone told me the house was set back 50-100 yards from the road and that there were lots of trees around. I don't think you can see the house from the road at all.

[JerseyGirl]

I thought someone told me the house was set back 50-100 yards from the road and that there were lots of trees around. I don't think you can see the house from the road at all.Microsoft TerraServer Imagery (http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=17&X=6824&Y=39902&W=1&qs=2606+Ferrand+Drive%7cdurham%7cnorth+carolina%7c&Addr=2606+Ferrand+Dr%2c+Durham%2c+NC+27705&ALon=-78.9745745&ALat=36.0401898)

Here's the image again. Unless this scale is incorrect, there are at least 3 houses within a hundred yards of this one, and it look like the next door neighbor's house is a mere 40 yards away, if that. Am I measuring this correctly? The house appears to be 50 yards off of the street.

ETA: I mean mere in the sense that I believe that they would have heard a shrill scream at 11 P.M. from that distance.

[golfmom]

Here's the image again. Unless this scale is incorrect, there are at least 3 houses within a hundred yards of this one, and it look like the next door neighbor's house is a mere 40 yards away, if that. Am I measuring this correctly? The house appears to be 50 yards off of the street.

ETA: I mean mere in the sense that I believe that they would have heard a shrill scream at 11 P.M. from that distance.

:waitasec: I don't know, it looks like at least one would be close enough to hear something. But, I sure am glad you posted that link in this thread. I should have added it originally.
Thanks.... :blowkiss:

[anneshirley]

Microsoft TerraServer Imagery (http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=17&X=6824&Y=39902&W=1&qs=2606+Ferrand+Drive%7cdurham%7cnorth+carolina%7c&Addr=2606+Ferrand+Dr%2c+Durham%2c+NC+27705&ALon=-78.9745745&ALat=36.0401898)

Here's the image again. Unless this scale is incorrect, there are at least 3 houses within a hundred yards of this one, and it look like the next door neighbor's house is a mere 40 yards away, if that. Am I measuring this correctly? The house appears to be 50 yards off of the street.

ETA: I mean mere in the sense that I believe that they would have heard a shrill scream at 11 P.M. from that distance.

I think you're right. I would imagine that people would have heard a scream. Sad thing is, would they have done anything about? You never know these days if someone would be willing to get hurt themselves to help a stranger...Sad, but true.
(not that I'm saying this was going through Janet's mind.)...still so many unanswered questions...

Is it possible, if the murderer was someone she knew that she just welcomed into the house with a "I'm upstairs..." call and he then completely took her off guard??...which is why she didn't run. She didn't have a chance to.THat's just me thinking out loud though...and it probably is way too speculative.

[JerseyGirl]

:waitasec: I don't know, it looks like at least one would be close enough to hear something. But, I sure am glad you posted that link in this thread. I should have added it originally.
Thanks.... :blowkiss:
You're welcome. :)

And I agree ... according to the scale on that page, there were people close enough to hear screaming, at least if she would have been screaming from the front porch. But at the same time, I've never been a victim of a vicious attack so I don't know why she would have run upstairs as opposed to out the front door if that's what happened. Honestly, I think that the blood on the door was from the attacker's escape. A murderer would probably prefer to leave from a side door rather than the front, and I don't know how common it would have been for people to knock on the side door. Would Janet have answered a knock on that door while home alone with the baby without being a bit apprehensive? Is there a driveway by that door? I think that she would have looked out before answering that door but since I don't know the property, I could be completely wrong. Does anyone know where the driveway is in relation to the doors?

[JerseyGirl]

I think you're right. I would imagine that people would have heard a scream. Sad thing is, would they have done anything about? You never know these days if someone would be willing to get hurt themselves to help a stranger...Sad, but true.
(not that I'm saying this was going through Janet's mind.)...still so many unanswered questions...

Is it possible, if the murderer was someone she knew that she just welcomed into the house with a "I'm upstairs..." call and he then completely took her off guard??...which is why she didn't run. She didn't have a chance to.THat's just me thinking out loud though...and it probably is way too speculative.
I sure hope you're not right in your theory about helping a stranger! :( But if you are, I think that someone would have at least called 911 if they had heard a woman screaming at night.

It does seem possible that she could have left the door open, expecting company. But would she have let Raven know about it ahead of time? We've repeatedly heard, (but I don't know if it's correct), that Janet was shy. We've also heard that one of the neighbors that claimed to know everyone had never seen the Abaroa family even though they moved in last August. So my guess would be that she wouldn't have been expecting a neighbor for coffee or anything like that.

[JerseyGirl]

What time did Raven leave the d*mned house that night???!!! We need to know that, Raven!!!

[golfmom]

What time did Raven leave the d*mned house that night???!!! We need to know that, Raven!!!

And we need to know time of death. :(

[JerseyGirl]

And we need to know time of death. :(That would be very helpful, indeed. But at least if we knew what time he left, we could better determine the likelihood of someone stopping by to chat, or robbery (which is possible but not as likely at 7 P.M.), etc.

LE hasn't let us know anything. Don't we normally at least hear about TOD by now? And in the cases where we haven't, what was the usual outcome, (if any)?

[Jenifred]

Anyone want to guess how their house is situated? Does the porch run east-west or north-south? I can't tell if the street behind Raven, Janet, and the friend is a street or their driveway.
http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG
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This might help in understanding which door they used to get in an out of the house. Did they go through the front door (I'm assuming that they didn't because it looks like it's a deck with stairs--IMO)? Did they used the back door, or even a side door as their main entrance to the house?

[golfmom]

That would be very helpful, indeed. But at least if we knew what time he left, we could better determine the likelihood of someone stopping by to chat, or robbery (which is possible but not as likely at 7 P.M.), etc.

LE hasn't let us know anything. Don't we normally at least hear about TOD by now? And in the cases where we haven't, what was the usual outcome, (if any)?

In my opinion this is VERY strange.

[anneshirley]

And we need to know time of death. :(
we also need to know why the police stated from the beginning that this wasn't a random murder. I know that stabbing generally is a more "personal" crime, but what else was there that determined that is wasn't a random homicide?

[JerseyGirl]

This might help in understanding which door they used to get in an out of the house. Did they go through the front door (I'm assuming that they didn't because it looks like it's a deck with stairs--IMO)? Did they used the back door, or even a side door as their main entrance to the house?I didn't think it looked like a deck actually. I thought it looked like a front porch. ETA: Wouldn't decks normally be placed on the side or the back of a house? I've never seen one in the front in my area.

[JerseyGirl]

Anyone want to guess how their house is situated? Does the porch run east-west or north-south? I can't tell if the street behind Raven, Janet, and the friend is a street or their driveway.
http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG
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http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG[/QUOTE)The way it looks to me is that those pictures are on the front porch, and the houses that we see in the background are southwest of the Abaroa house on the satellite image.

I have to look at this again.

[golfmom]

The way it looks to me is that those pictures are on the front porch, and the houses that we see in the background are southwest of the Abaroa house on the satellite image.

I have to look at this again.

I think the *front* of their house faces the side and the road we're seeing there is their driveway.

[JerseyGirl]

In this photo of Raven and Kaiden, the house in the background seems to me to be the house that's connected to the first driveway to the right next to the red dot in the satellite image. (We've been told that the second driveway to the right is the Abaroa house.) The area where Raven is standing is not very wide, and usually a deck would be wider so as to accomodate furniture, grill, fire pit, and what not. (It's also not very high off of the ground, although not all decks are.) In any case, this definitely looks like a front porch to me which would run the same direction as the street.

Of course, this is all speculation based on the way I'm viewing these images. I could be completely wrong.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0406.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0406.JPG)

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[JerseyGirl]

I think the *front* of their house faces the side and the road we're seeing there is their driveway.
We might be saying the same thing. Let me try to phrase myself a bit more clearly. In the photo below, when you are looking at it, I would think that the road is to the right, and the blue bins or whatever is in the background are on the side of the house.

[Jenifred]

I didn't think it looked like a deck actually. I thought it looked like a front porch. ETA: Wouldn't decks normally be placed on the side or the back of a house? I've never seen one in the front in my area.
That's what I mean--brain's been turned to mush from having children--I used the wrong word.

But do you see how their front yard seems to be lower than the porch? If my home were set like that, and I had steps going up to the front door, I'm thinking that I'd probably use another door to get in. Maybe the back door or a side door that didn't have steps.

[golfmom]

All I keep hearing in my head is ...

You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round

I'm dizzy trying to figure out which way is what!

[anneshirley]

That's what I mean--brain's been turned to mush from having children--I used the wrong word.

But do you see how their front yard seems to be lower than the porch? If my home were set like that, and I had steps going up to the front door, I'm thinking that I'd probably use another door to get in. Maybe the back door or a side door that didn't have steps.Jenifred,
I agree with you. My house is designed like that and we don't use the front door--it's rare if we use it--and certainly all our friends know to use the side door.

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0406.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0406.JPG)

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Okay, looking at these images again, I am 99% sure that that is the front porch and it faces the street. Look at the driveway in the satellite image. It goes along the right side of the house. There's some sort of paved area in the photo that would go along with that. It does not appear that the driveway wraps around the house but I can't say that with certainty. If it doesn't, I would assume that visitors would knock on the front door, and not on the side or the back, (if there even is a back door).

I'm trying (still) to figure out where the creek is, and the path that a random attacker might take to get out of there without being seen. It looks as if the side with the driveway would be the area where one would be most likely to be seen. And it seems as though there are houses fairly close by in every direction. Oh well, I'll have to look at it more later. I'm going to read a few more posts, and then get some things done. I'll be back later. :)

(There is a band of trees in the back of the house that seem to extend for some distance to the south and especially the north. But without knowing how thick & full of leaves they might have been at the time, it's hard to say whether or not someone could have escaped that way without being seen although it does seem possible. All of sudden, I'm wondering if there are any troubled teens in the area or anyone with whom Raven may have had some sort of confrontation.)

[anneshirley]

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All of sudden, I'm wondering if there are any troubled teens in the area or anyone with whom Raven may have had some sort of confrontation.)[/QUOTE}

Or...someone who the couple may have befriended through the neighborhood or soccer league. Did raven coach anywhere? did Janet at any point? Janet was shy, but very loving...might there have been a troubled teen or a friend who just got a little too attached to the family, especially janet? I guess this goes back to the stalker theory...
just an idea...

[golfmom]

:waitasec: Which house are you guys looking at?

I was told that if I was in the white car it would be the second driveway on the right.

[JerseyGirl]

Jenifred,
I agree with you. My house is designed like that and we don't use the front door--it's rare if we use it--and certainly all our friends know to use the side door.We've always used the front entrances to our homes whether we've had steps or not. It was always based on where we were able to park our cars, and whether or not there's paved area near the doors so as to minimize the amount of dirt tracked in. If their driveway only extends as far as that front porch, then it's possible that the front porch would be the closest door, thus the door that's used regularly.

It doesn't look like there would be more than a few steps. It looks as if the ground slopes downwards toward the right, (which I believe is the street - in fact, it would HAVE to be the street based on the satellite image of the house - their driveway in that image does not twist and runs along the right side of the house. If you look at the direction where that paved section is in the photo behind them, it clearly seems to indicate that the street is to the right.) In any case, it looks like a normal house front to me, and I don't think that the steps would necessarily have been an issue one way or the other.

Bottom line? I still have no idea if their friends would have knocked on the front door or the side door. LOL. I assume that they would have used the front based on the limited photographs we have of the property but I could be wrong. Either way, I still think that the blood on the back door was from the perp exiting. I don't think that Janet was attacked at the door. The door most commonly used would only come into play if she did indeed leave a door unlocked for any company that she might have been expecting or if the door was left open when Raven left for the evening. And we don't even know if they're the kind that usually locked their doors or not so it might not tell us anything in any case.

Isn't it funny how we go crazy trying to figure these things out when LE won't tell us anything? It's like the less I hear, the more curious I become. :banghead:

[JerseyGirl]

:waitasec: Which house are you guys looking at?

I was told that if I was in the white car it would be the second driveway on the right.
Yes, that's the one. And the first driveway on the right would be the house in the background of Raven & Kaiden on the front porch. A short distance from the porch and to the right appears to be a paved area. That would be his driveway as seen in the satellite view.

[golfmom]

Yes, that's the one. And the first driveway on the right would be the house in the background of Raven & Kaiden on the front porch. A short distance from the porch and to the right appears to be a paved area. That would be his driveway as seen in the satellite view.

OK do you see that little white L in front of the house? Do you think that's a pathway to their *front* door?

[JerseyGirl]

OK do you see that little white L in front of the house? Do you think that's a pathway to their *front* door?In the satellite view or the photograph?

[golfmom]

In the satellite view or the photograph?

sorry ... satellite view

[JerseyGirl]

OK do you see that little white L in front of the house? Do you think that's a pathway to their *front* door?Looking at both, it certainly does seem that it could be a pathway leading off of the driveway. It's not the porch because the porch has a roof. Also, if that is the path, it is far enough to the left that we can't see it in the photographs because it would have been closer to where the photographer (Janet) was standing when the photo was taken. (ETA: or it could be next to where Raven is standing ... that might be where the steps are.)

If that's a walkway as it appears to be, (I don't know what else it could be), then it would seem that the front door would be the most sensible choice from the driveway.

[golfmom]

Looking at both, it certainly does seem that it could be a pathway leading off of the driveway. It's not the porch because the porch has a roof. Also, if that is the path, it is far enough to the left that we can't see it in the photographs because it would have been closer to where the photographer (Janet) was standing when the photo was taken. (ETA: or it could be next to where Raven is standing ... that might be where the steps are.)

If that's a walkway as it appears to be, (I don't know what else it could be), then it would seem that the front door would be the most sensible choice from the driveway.

Unless there is a side door right next to the driveway.

[juliagoulia]

Anyone want to guess how their house is situated? Does the porch run east-west or north-south? I can't tell if the street behind Raven, Janet, and the friend is a street or their driveway.
http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG
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http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG

This might help in understanding which door they used to get in an out of the house. Did they go through the front door (I'm assuming that they didn't because it looks like it's a deck with stairs--IMO)? Did they used the back door, or even a side door as their main entrance to the house?
The search warrant indicated that there were blood stains near the side door located on the south side. (http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=4;w=800). Either Janet was first attacked at that entrance, or the murderer got sloppy on his exit.

[JerseyGirl]

Unless there is a side door right next to the driveway.
But the path, if that's what it is, appears to go from the driveway, along the front of the house, and then to the right at the center of the house, which is probably where the steps are. I can't tell with any certainty where that driveway stops. Neither image is helpful in determining that. On the left of the photograph, however, it appears like dirt with some trees and bins and just beyond it appears to be grass. IMO, it does not appear that the driveway goes beyond the front of the house so it wouldn't make sense to me to walk along the dirt to go into the side entrance of the house when you can walk on a paved path, and avoid tracking too much dirt in. But again, it's impossible to tell for sure so this is all just speculation based on what we CAN see.

Okay, I'm going for real this time. See you later on. :)

[golfmom]

The search warrant indicated that there were blood stains near the side door located on the south side. (http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=4;w=800). Either Janet was first attacked at that entrance, or the murderer got sloppy on his exit.

Thanks Julia! that cleared it up for me.

[JerseyGirl]

The search warrant indicated that there were blood stains near the side door located on the south side. (http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=4;w=800). Either Janet was first attacked at that entrance, or the murderer got sloppy on his exit.
We're just trying to determine the likelihood that someone would have knocked on that door, and whether or not a knock at that door would have led Janet to be suspicious enough to not answer it. But your statement above does prove what we've been saying - that the photo on the porch is most likely facing the street.

IMO, I don't think it's likely that a friend would have come knocking on the side door. And if the driveway ends at the front walkway, I don't think it's likely that Raven would have left from the side door, forgetting to lock it on his way out.

[golfmom]

We're just trying to determine the likelihood that someone would have knocked on that door, and whether or not a knock at that door would have led Janet to be suspicious enough to not answer it. But your statement above does prove what we've been saying - that the photo on the porch is most likely facing the street.

IMO, I don't think it's likely that a friend would have come knocking on the side door. And if the driveway ends at the front walkway, I don't think it's likely that Raven would have left from the side door, forgetting to lock it on his way out.

JerseyGirl, I hate to disagree with you because I heart you mucho, but I think that porch is on the south side of the house.

[JerseyGirl]

I just realized that this might be part of the reason why they say it wasn't random. If the side door is not accessible directly from the driveway, and the person left from the side door, wouldn't they have run through the trees in the back to escape? Yet they found currency near the creek that runs along the front of the house. If someone dropped that on their way out, they must have been leaving towards the street. If the currency is related to this, then the person either parked in her driveway or left by foot going towards the street. (?)

[golfmom]

I just realized that this might be part of the reason why they say it wasn't random. If the back door is not accessible directly from the driveway, and the person left from the side door, wouldn't they have run through the trees in the back to escape? Yet they found currency near the creek that runs along the front of the house. If someone dropped that on their way out, they must have been leaving towards the street. If the currency is related to this, then the person either parked in her driveway or left by foot going towards the street. (?)

OK, I relooked at the image again and I am certain the porch has to be on the south side. You couldn't view a house in the background in the pictures otherwise.

And I am totally creeped out by what you just wrote. The murderer had to be on the southside of the house and yet crossed around the front ? ? ?
I can't imagine anyone dropping $10 in change and not noticing unless there were extenuating circumstances ... if you know what I mean. So the silver to me seems like something that would be linked to the murderer.

[JerseyGirl]

JerseyGirl, I hate to disagree with you because I heart you mucho, but I think that porch is on the south side of the house.
No, the side door where the blood was found is on the south side. Which would make the porch on the west side if that's the front door.

[JerseyGirl]

Golfmom, the blood was found on the side door which was pointed out to us to be on the south side of the house. The south side is not facing the street. I completely believe that the porch where the photos were taken DO face the street based on the driveway in the background. You would indeed be able to see the house in the background because the photo is taken at a slight angle.

ETA: But the house in the background can't be the house at the first driveway. It's probably the house, (and in one photo, the two houses), on the right side of the street before you make the turn onto their part of the street).

[JerseyGirl]

If my previous post regarding the houses is correct, that would make the house in the background about 80 yards away, (or more depending on which house it is). Does it look in the photo as if the house is 80 yards away? I'm not good with judging distance.

[JerseyGirl]

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Based on the angle in the photographs, I think the house(s) in the backgrounds of the photos are probably the two in the lower left of this image.

[Jenifred]

Here's how I believe the house is situated. I think that the porch runs north and south. I think the "road" that is in the picture is really the driveway. The "L" shaped white thing are the stairs leading from the driveway to the front porch. And the driveway continues along the south side of the house, possibly making the south side door (as was mentioned in the warrant) the main entrance to the home by friends and the residents. I think the house that we see in the background is not on the TerraServer map because the picture was taken in 2002. It looks like the driveway south of Janet and Raven's is forking into a site that could have been built on since 2002. Maybe? Any agreements? Or am I just repeating what everyone else has been saying?

[JerseyGirl]

No, that's different than what I've been saying, Jennifred.

I still think that the porch faces the street - if you look at the satellite image again, you will see that if the road behind them is the driveway, then the porch HAS to be facing the street. I think that the driveway and the side door are on the same side of the house, (the South side), and the porch where the photos were taken are on the front (the West side). It seems that it would have to be because that's the direction that the path is taking.

If anyone is reading this that has visited the home or who knows the home, can you tell us where the porch and the side door are in relation to the street and the driveway? Is there a back door or just the front and side? Which door did the Abaroa's use most often or at least which would seem most likely for anyone that's stopping by?

I really feel that the porch is by the front door, and front doors are typically called that because they are on the front of the house, (the side that faces the street). In the picture of Raven and Kaiden, directly to the right are probably the steps that lead down the path which then turns left to the driveway. The driveway then goes on a fairly slight angle towards the street. I could be wrong but if I am, I'll eat my hat. Feel free to hold me to that. :)

[JerseyGirl]

It looks like the driveway south of Janet and Raven's is forking into a site that could have been built on since 2002. Maybe? Any agreements? Or am I just repeating what everyone else has been saying?If building has occured since the satellite image, then the hat-eating bet is off! lol. I can't account for that but from what I see in the images, it's the only way that makes sense to me.

[JerseyGirl]

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Look at the white L that golfmom was referring to. If that's a path leading to the front porch, then I think that at the spot where it meets the house is approximately where Raven was standing when the photo was taken. If you look at the angle, and the distances of the houses, it would completely fit with the theory that the houses in the bottom left of this image are the same ones in the background of his photos.

Maybe this is a better way of saying it. If the driveway behind him is the driveway for the Abaroa's house, then it HAS to be the way I've explained it. He would be facing north with the driveway and side door behind him, the front door to HIS right, and the street to HIS left. If that's his driveway in the photo, there's no other way it can be because his driveway runs along the South side of the house.

[Jenifred]

No, that's different than what I've been saying, Jennifred.

I still think that the porch faces the street - if you look at the satellite image again, you will see that if the road behind them is the driveway, then the porch HAS to be facing the street. I think that the driveway and the side door are on the same side of the house, (the South side), and the porch where the photos were taken are on the front (the West side).

I really feel that the porch is by the front door, and front doors are typically called that because they are on the front of the house, (the side that faces the street). In the picture of Raven and Kaiden, directly to the right are probably the steps that lead down the path which then turns left to the driveway. The driveway then goes on a very slight slant towards the street. I could be wrong but if I am, I'll eat my hat. Feel free to hold me to that. :)
Jersey--we are saying the same thing!:clap: (I think.) Porch is on the west facing the street, thus making it run north and south. Driveway on the south end, as well as the south door. The steps though look to be long--thus the L shaped staircase. And the driveway looks to run uphill. Thus making the south door their main entrance/exit.

[Jenifred]

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Look at the white L that golfmom was referring to. If that's a path leading to the front porch, then I think that at the spot where it meets the house is approximately where Raven was standing when the photo was taken. If you look at the angle, and the distances of the houses, it would completely fit with the theory that the houses in the bottom left of this image are the same ones in the background of his photos.

Maybe this is a better way of saying it. If the driveway behind him is the driveway for the Abaroa's house, then it HAS to be the way I've explained it. He would be facing north with the driveway and side door behind him, the front door to HIS right, and the street to HIS left. If that's his driveway in the photo, there's no other way it can be because his driveway runs along the South side of the house.
We're speaking the same language!!:clap: :dance: :clap: :dance:

[ewwwinteresting]

We know the search warrant indicated that the Dodge Durango was parked on the right side of the residence and the blood was on the side storm door and side door frame.....

I read this in an article:


"After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said. "Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said."

I am noticing that they didn't say "if" the vehicle is related to the homicide......any thoughts?

[golfmom]

Jersey--we are saying the same thing!:clap: (I think.) Porch is on the west facing the street, thus making it run north and south. Driveway on the south end, as well as the south door. The steps though look to be long--thus the L shaped staircase. And the driveway looks to run uphill. Thus making the south door their main entrance/exit.

I get it ! I get it !

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Porch runs Parallel to the driveway

[PrayersForMaura]

I get it ! I get it !

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Porch runs Parallel to the drivewayIs anyone good at drawing?

Maybe we can have someone sketch a layout of the house, driveway, porch, etc and then post it on a thread ... it would help everyone better visualize I think.

I'm not just talking about the outside, but maybe the inside... maybe if one of our friends of Janet can help us out...?
We're not implicating anyone here, just trying to better visualize.

[Jenifred]

Porch runs Parallel to the driveway
No, the porch is perpendicular to the drive way! (but the driveway angles in toward the house (southeast) and then levels out (east).

Make sense? Is this how you see it Jersey?

[JerseyGirl]

Jersey--we are saying the same thing!:clap: (I think.) Porch is on the west facing the street, thus making it run north and south. Driveway on the south end, as well as the south door. The steps though look to be long--thus the L shaped staircase. And the driveway looks to run uphill. Thus making the south door their main entrance/exit.
I'm with you all the way up until the south door being their main entrance. I can't see if the driveway continues beyond the front of the house but from the best I can tell, it doesn't seem so. It seems like it stops fairly close to the path, (if that's even what it is - lol)! :)

I don't think that we can determine which is the entrance most often used. As for main entrance, I would think that the front door on the porch would have been intended for the main entrance. Whether or not they used it as such, I have no idea. We only have these images to go on. But here's a thought ... what are the captions under the photos on the porch? Don't they say something like "getting ready to go to a soccer game" or something like that? If those pictures were snapped on the way out, then it's probably safe to assume that they used the front door exit at least on the day during which the photos were taken.

BTW, sorry for all of the confusion and not understanding what you were saying. I think I've definitely looked at this stuff for too long today!!!

The Terrasoft image ... it seems like there might have possibly been some building room to the north of the house but I personally don't see any space to the south or southwest where more homes could have been built. Even to the north, I'm having trouble seeing what's right next to that property. I can faintly see a driveway but am not sure what's in that spot beyond the driveway.

Also, if you go west from the Abaroa house, are those homes facing south or are those buildings/factories?

[golfmom]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Look at the driveway behind Raven it is running along the porch from this angle.

[JerseyGirl]

Is anyone good at drawing?

Maybe we can have someone sketch a layout of the house, driveway, porch, etc and then post it on a thread ... it would help everyone better visualize I think.

I'm not just talking about the outside, but maybe the inside... maybe if one of our friends of Janet can help us out...?
We're not implicating anyone here, just trying to better visualize.
That's a great idea. And no, not to implicate. Just to figure out where everything is, and how this all might relate to the crime.

To come out of the side door and then walk towards the street ... I don't understand. Especially if there was a seemingly much better chance of making a hidden getaway through the trees out back.

[golfmom]

That's a great idea. And no, not to implicate. Just to figure out where everything is, and how this all might relate to the crime.

To come out of the side door and then walk towards the street ... I don't understand. Especially if there was a seemingly much better chance of making a hidden getaway through the trees out back.

Exactly! and if they were in a vehicle, just jump in a drive away. Why cross in front of the house over to a stream?

[PrayersForMaura]

here's a drawing of Laci Peterson's house...
simple drawing. This is the only example I could find of what I was thinking of:

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/ssddad/images/house.jpg

[JerseyGirl]

No, the porch is perpendicular to the drive way! (but the driveway angles in toward the house (southeast) and then levels out (east).

Make sense? Is this how you see it Jersey?
Yes, the driveway runs southeast towards the house but at the point where you're seeing it leveling out towards the east, that's where we differ. I think that the driveway might stop at the end of that angle. The spot where it levels out is where I think the side door is but where I do NOT think there is driveway. I think the driveway stops near the path, and that the side door has whatever side doors without driveways have ... lol ... dirt, grass, trees, bins, etc. Look to the left of Raven in the picture - I don't see a driveway. Only grass, trees, etc. When you look to the right of Raven, the driveway seems pretty far out - is that a white vehicle poking out? Now compare the left and right sides of the picture. I'm just not seeing how that driveway could possibly extend much farther beyond there. The spot where the bins are - is that what you're thinking is the rest of the driveway? It might be but it seems like it would be too sharp of an angle from where we see the driveway on the right. It doesn't seem to match up to the satellite image the way that I'm looking at it.

I can't tell if it's gravel or dirt or stone or what under those bins. I also can't tell how far that might extend beyond the tree. Ugh ... I'm making myself crazy! I'll have to check the other photos again. I couldn't get the third one that was posted to work.

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Look at the driveway behind Raven it is running along the porch from this angle.
You'd back the car out to right side of the picture to get to the street.

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Look at the driveway behind Raven it is running along the porch from this angle.I think that's just an illusion. It's actually on an angle.

ETA: This is also the photo where you can see more than one house in the background.

[PrayersForMaura]

I think that's just an illusion. It's actually on an angle.

ETA: This is also the photo where you can see more than one house in the background.
In this picture it looks like a main door goes into the kitchen. Could this be the back door??
http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0419b.jpg

[PrayersForMaura]

the door is a little clearer in this one but it is dark. It's on the right-hand side.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0416.JPG

[JerseyGirl]

Exactly! and if they were in a vehicle, just jump in a drive away. Why cross in front of the house over to a stream?Good point. So you run away from the trees and towards the street, (rather than just pulling up in the driveway), and cross near the stream, dropping ten dollars worth of change along the way?

[golfmom]

To me it looks the house was built sideways on the lot with the main entrance being *on the side* -- the south side.

[PrayersForMaura]

To me it looks the house was built sideways on the lot with the main entrance being *on the side* -- the south side.
there was blood found on a wall by the door, wasn't there?? I forget. If so, do you think it was the door that I was referring to on the post above??

[JerseyGirl]

In this picture it looks like a main door goes into the kitchen. Could this be the back door??
http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0419b.jpg
LOL ... we're all going to make each other crazy! Those look like windows to me! :)

[JerseyGirl]

To me it looks the house was built sideways on the lot with the main entrance being *on the side* -- the south side.
No, the photo you posted is giving you a bad angle to look at. The picture where you can see the bins in the background is the better one for determining it. The spot where Raven is is the front porch. The street is on the right side of the picture. The driveway and side door are behind him and the porch - to the left of the bins and the tree that you see in the background.

[PrayersForMaura]

LOL ... we're all going to make each other crazy! Those look like windows to me! :)nah, if you look at the second link i posted you'll see a door knob. I thought windows at first, too but you can clearly see a door knob and what appears to be a lock.

it looks like kaiden is sitting on a kitchen coutner and the counter is facing the dining room where the door is.

It also kind of looks like a motorcycle helmet on the table?

[golfmom]

:laugh: LOL ... we're all going to make each other crazy! Those look like windows to me! :)

The look like windows to me too!

To our newbies and lurkers this is actually a very important discussion. It may not seem like it, but understanding the crime scene can give us valuable clues to how the crime occured.

[PrayersForMaura]

:laugh:

The look like windows to me too!

To our newbies and lurkers this is actually a very important discussion. It may not seem like it, but understanding the crime scene can give us valuable clues to how the crime occured.please look at the second link i posted... it's a door :)
(unless windows have door knobs now!!)


the door is a little clearer in this one but it is dark. It's on the right-hand side.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Ka...es/IMGA0416.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0416.JPG)

[JerseyGirl]

the door is a little clearer in this one but it is dark. It's on the right-hand side.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0416.JPG
That's definitely a door. I wish it was brighter.

[golfmom]

French Doors!

[JerseyGirl]

nah, if you look at the second link i posted you'll see a door knob. I thought windows at first, too but you can clearly see a door knob and what appears to be a lock.

it looks like kaiden is sitting on a kitchen coutner and the counter is facing the dining room where the door is.

It also kind of looks like a motorcycle helmet on the table?
You know what? I remember looking at this before, and thinking that it isn't their house. Look at all of the tables and chairs in the background. And very cafeteria-like, especially for someone with fine taste.

[JerseyGirl]

Never mind ... on the left might actually be a baby toy or seat or walker, etc., not more chairs.

[JerseyGirl]

Never mind ... on the left might actually be a baby toy or seat or walker, etc., not more chairs.
But I still don't get why there would be a table with chairs and then a pub table in the corner with more chairs. Maybe this isn't their house. Was there a caption under the photo?

[golfmom]

RED motorcycle helmet on the table.

Looks like a label machine on counter ? ? ?

Something wires on counter as well ... almost looks like a backpack

[JerseyGirl]

RED motorcycle helmet on the table.

Looks like a label machine on counter ? ? ?

Something wires on counter as well ... almost looks like a backpack
It almost reminds me of the kitchen/dining area in my old church. This picture does not shout "homey" in any case.

[golfmom]

GLASS bowl on stand (4 leg iron) behind Kaiden ...

[golfmom]

I think the kitchen is in the North East corner of the house.
eta: if this is a picture taken in their house.

[JerseyGirl]

I think the kitchen is in the North East corner of the house.
eta: if this is a picture taken in their house.What does the caption say?

[JerseyGirl]

I think the kitchen is in the North East corner of the house.
eta: if this is a picture taken in their house. It might also be the southeast corner, and the door is the side door.

[golfmom]

What does the caption say?

I saved the photo as a jpeg and called it up in photoshop, brightened and lightened so I could see better. I could not see a caption at all.

[JerseyGirl]

I saved the photo as a jpeg and called it up in photoshop, brightened and lightened so I could see better. I could not see a caption at all.I think that there's one on his web site. I didn't know if someone had it handy.

[golfmom]

It might also be the southeast corner, and the door is the side door.

I had to turn around, jump up and down, squint, and stand on one foot. Whew, the whole spacial orientation is not my strong suit.

You are absolutely right it could be the southeast corner of the house as well.

[golfmom]

4/12/05 We had to snap this picture because he's sitting up on the counter (dangerous!) and he just looks so cute in this matching (and cheesy) outfit!

[JerseyGirl]

I had to turn around, jump up and down, squint, and stand on one foot. Whew, the whole spacial orientation is not my strong suit.
LOL ... not my strong suit either!

[golfmom]

Did you see the quote from the website that was with that group of photos. That would lead me to believe that the pictures were taken in their home.

[JerseyGirl]

Did you see the quote from the website that was with that group of photos. That would lead me to believe that the pictures were taken in their home.I don't recall what it said.

[golfmom]

I don't recall what it said.


4/12/05 We had to snap this picture because he's sitting up on the counter (dangerous!) and he just looks so cute in this matching (and cheesy) outfit!

[PrayersForMaura]

so i am thinking the house might be set up like this:

office ----------------- |----[door to outside front] -living room---------| | ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
|master bdroom ------------------- |-Kaiden's Room----------[hall------]
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
|______________________________||_________________ ___[hall------]
| Kitchen---------------------------dining room-----------------------..|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|_____________________________________________[french back doors]

[PrayersForMaura]

from the aerial overhead, it looks like the house is long and narrow... more rectangular...

[JerseyGirl]

4/12/05 We had to snap this picture because he's sitting up on the counter (dangerous!) and he just looks so cute in this matching (and cheesy) outfit!Oh, I thought you meant a quote that was referring to the group of pictures as a whole.

[JerseyGirl]

so i am thinking the house might be set up like this:

office ----------------- |----[door to outside front] -living room---------| | ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
| ...............................|.................. ...............................................|
|master bdroom ------------------- |-Kaiden's Room----------[hall------]
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
| ...............................................|.. ............................... |............ |
|______________________________||_________________ ___[hall------]
| Kitchen---------------------------dining room-----------------------..|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|_____________________________________________[french back doors]
Wow, I'm impressed with your keyboard drawing skills!!!

I'm not sure I understand this layout. Isn't their home two stories? Raven spoke of his wife being hurt upstairs. Also, I haven't really seen anything myself to agree or disagree with your assessment of the floor plan. I'll keep my eyes open, though.

[PrayersForMaura]

Wow, I'm impressed with your keyboard drawing skills!!!

I'm not sure I understand this layout. Isn't their home two stories? Raven spoke of his wife being hurt upstairs. Also, I haven't really seen anything myself to agree or disagree with your assessment of the floor plan. I'll keep my eyes open, though.
since the house is long and narrow, i am thinking the living room is in the front of the house and there's a stair case with the office, kaden's room and
the master bedroom upstairs above the living room, dining room and kitchen.

I will try to draw it again... :doh:

[JerseyGirl]

since the house is long and narrow, i am thinking the living room is in the front of the house and there's a stair case with the office, kaden's room and
the master bedroom upstairs above the living room, dining room and kitchen.

I will try to draw it again... :doh:No, don't drive yourself crazy over it! That's a lot of work to draw on a keyboard!!!

Do we know that the house is long and narrow? I thought that it appeared kind of square in the satellite image. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm being arguementative ... I promise you I'm not!!! :)

[PrayersForMaura]

main floor:

[staricase][laundry]-------[door to outside front] -living room-----------| | ...........|..........|........................... ...............................................|
| ...........|..........|........................... ...............................................|
| ...........|..........|........................... ...............................................|
| ...........|..........|........................... ...............................................|
| ...........[bathroom].................................................. ....................|
| ...........|............|......................... ...............................................|
| ...........|............|......................... ...............................................|
| ...........|............|......................... ...............................................|
|_______|________|________________________________ ___[hall------]
| Kitchen---------------------------dining room-----------------------..|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|................................................. .................................................|
|_____________________________________________[french back doors]


upstairs:
[staricase]----------bathroom |--------------------office--------------|
| ............|..........................|.......... .............................................|
| ............|..........................|.......... .............................................|
| ............|..........................|.......... .............................................|
| ............|..........................|.......... .............................................|
| ............|..........................|.......... .............................................|
|master bdroom ------------------------ |-----Kaiden's Room-----------]
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
| .................................................. ....|........................................ |
|_________________________________________________ ____________|

[Jenifred]

That's their kitchen. Remember they were into the finer things when it came to toys, not home furnishings. And I'm thinking that this is the now infamous south side door. Wouldn't it be easy to come in this door, put the keys and helmet down and then proceed into the house? Don't have to carry the groceries up the front stairs park the car outside of the door and then bring them into the house. I'm still thinking that the front of the house is elevated. The trees/shrubs in the front yard look too large to be close to the ground. Just my opinion!

[blaize]

Hello all,

this cases greatly interests me too, moreso because LE are being so very tightlipped about it.

Anyway I had a look at the image you've linked (IMGA0416.jpg), and had to download it so I could see it properly. I brightened it in photoshop just as Golfmom did but I numbered the individual areas so that I can refer back to them as the posters identify them on this thread. The image is linked here and called brightIMGA0416.jpg (http://www.echimera.net/upld/brightIMGA0416.jpg)
I also tried to make a very rough visual using PrayersForMaura's Second Map (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=658705&postcount=137) (hope that's ok), as the basis for the approximate positioning of the kitchen counter and the approximate positioning of the photo taker.

You can view this rough map here (housemapDiningRoom.jpg) (http://www.echimera.net/upld/housemapDiningRoom.jpg)

You'll notice that brightIMGA0416.jpg has numbered areas and that housemapDiningRoom.jpg has the numbers 1, 5 & 8 on it. These numbers correspond to the what I understand be the same areas in brightIMGA0416.jpg, ie kitchen counter, window & french doors.

This was the only way I could think of checking with you to see if I had a somewhat clear idea of the layout.

Am I on the right track?

blaize

All images and other content remain the property of their owners and are reproduced in this post with no intention of infringement of any implicit or explicit copyright.

(edited to correct spelling)

[Timex]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.

[JerseyGirl]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.I tend to agree. It's unlike any outer doors that I've ever seen here in the US.

Also, if you look at identifying clues in the photos, and the angles at which they're taken, I don't believe that the house is as elevated as you might think. Look at the tree and the blue bins in the background at the end of the porch. The land definitely appears to be sloped but I'm as sure as I can be that Raven is standing at or near a set of steps to the front lawn and path to the driveway. (It actually reminds me very much of one of my uncle's homes with the big bushes out front.)

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG)

This image finally opened for me. The steps are behind Janet, in front of the front door. There's a welcome mat at the top of the stairs.

[JerseyGirl]

Look again at the bins by the tree. Is it possible that that could be stuff that they were taking with them for the trip? If so, it looks as if it's stacked there so that it could be carried to the car.
And in the following photo, you can see the Abaroa's driveway but it also appears that you can see a second road or driveway in the right side of the photo, closer to the top. This would seem in line with the satellite image of the Abaroa's driveway and the driveway for the house to the south of them. But I also wonder if that is the main road itself.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG)

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG)

I wonder if the paved area behind Janet is actually the neighbor's driveway - see how it turns and goes away from the house in the left of the picture. There's an area on the right edge of the photo, about 1/3 of the way from the bottom - right next to and between the bush looks like it could be a paved area. I'm wondering if that is part of the Abaroa's driveway.

__________________________________________________ _______________

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG)

This might also be the neighbor's driveway, and the road in the middle of the photo on the right edge might actually be Ferrand Drive.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Microsoft TerraServer Imagery (http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=8&Z=17&X=13650&Y=79805&W=1&qs=2606+Ferrand+Drive%7cdurham%7cnorth+carolina%7c&Addr=2606+Ferrand+Dr%2c+Durham%2c+NC+27705&ALon=-78.9745745&ALat=36.0401898)

The two driveways are as close as twelve yards at their closest points. That's not quite as spread out as I originally thought.

[Jenifred]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.Have you ever seen a closet door that's got a dead bolt, blinds and windows on it? It's got to lead outside.

[Jenifred]

The land definitely appears to be sloped but I'm as sure as I can be that Raven is standing at or near a set of steps to the front lawn and path to the driveway. (It actually reminds me very much of one of my uncle's homes with the big bushes out front.)
Switch back and forth between Raven on the porch and Janet on the porch. Raven's not closer to the steps, he's about where Janet is, but the photographer is taking the picture from a different angle, more toward the road that's in the background.

[blaize]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.
I can see why you'd say that, it does seem to be a very large base board for an outside door.

On the other hand could it be like any of these french doors found by doing an image search on google. (http://images.google.ie/images?q=french+doors&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images)


I cropped the image of the door in question and uploaded it here (http://www.echimera.net/upld/fdoorsCropped.jpg).

The image includes marked areas A, B & C.

A seems to be a lock of some sort?

B is a door handle.

C is the base of this door.

Does it resemble the base of any of the doors in the google search?


Hope the uploaded image is reasonably clear.

blaize

All images and other content remain the property of their owners and are reproduced in this post with no intention of infringement of any implicit or explicit copyright.

[JerseyGirl]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.Actually, now that I look at it again, I don't think that that's a baseboard. I think that it's the bottom of the door. So they could be doors to the outside. I have seen THESE types of doors often leading to a patio or deck.

[Timex]

Still think it goes to a laundry room or something like that.

[JerseyGirl]

Switch back and forth between Raven on the porch and Janet on the porch. Raven's not closer to the steps, he's about where Janet is, but the photographer is taking the picture from a different angle, more toward the road that's in the background.I agree. I was just trying to show that this isn't a deck. But now that I've seen the picture of Janet again, you can see the handrail for the steps and the welcome mat behind her. I had originally thought that Raven might be near the steps in the photos. And I wondered why the steps were so far away from the front door. But in the picture of Janet, you can see that the steps and the front door line up with each other.

[Samurai]

Regarding the French Doors----how weird looking! Blaize, the image is great. When I look at it, it looks to me like there is a shadow caused by the louvered part next to the door handle. As if someone for some reason had simply hung the louvered part over a conventional door. Gone down to home Depot or somewhere, purchased the louvers, and then just slapped them up there. The thing that looks like a baseboard would then just be the bottom of the door.

I cannot imagine anyone doing this, unless the door were mostly glass, and really, not even then.

And I have always had an unusual sense of perspective, to say the least. But that's what it looks like to me.

[PrayersForMaura]

Hello all,

this cases greatly interests me too, moreso because LE are being so very tightlipped about it.

Anyway I had a look at the image you've linked (IMGA0416.jpg), and had to download it so I could see it properly. I brightened it in photoshop just as Golfmom did but I numbered the individual areas so that I can refer back to them as the posters identify them on this thread. The image is linked here and called brightIMGA0416.jpg (http://www.echimera.net/upld/brightIMGA0416.jpg)
I also tried to make a very rough visual using PrayersForMaura's Second Map (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=658705&postcount=137) (hope that's ok), as the basis for the approximate positioning of the kitchen counter and the approximate positioning of the photo taker.

You can view this rough map here (housemapDiningRoom.jpg) (http://www.echimera.net/upld/housemapDiningRoom.jpg)

You'll notice that brightIMGA0416.jpg has numbered areas and that housemapDiningRoom.jpg has the numbers 1, 5 & 8 on it. These numbers correspond to the what I understand be the same areas in brightIMGA0416.jpg, ie kitchen counter, window & french doors.

This was the only way I could think of checking with you to see if I had a somewhat clear idea of the layout.

Am I on the right track?

blaize

All images and other content remain the property of their owners and are reproduced in this post with no intention of infringement of any implicit or explicit copyright.

(edited to correct spelling)
thanks for doing that withthe image, so much clearer now!! I definitely think those doors lead out back.

[PrayersForMaura]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.most closets don't have locks on the doors like a house lock :)
when you look at the image that blaise has brightened, it's most clearly a door, and that IS a baseboard... but the blinds stop about a foot from the floor.

[Moxie]

:waitasec:

This is the first I've seen of the total amount of change found. Ten dollars is quite a bit of change, even if its all in quarters. This has got me extremely curious.
Hi all,

Wanted to ask - after reviewing the search warrant again, it looks like it might just be .10 - not $10 - especially because the detective's notes state regarding the currency that "the above item", which is singular tense, not plural. The search warrant copy isn't the best, but it looks like there may be a decimal point in front of the 10. What do you all think, and what could be the significance?

[Jenifred]

Hi all,

Wanted to ask - after reviewing the search warrant again, it looks like it might just be .10 - not $10 - especially because the detective's notes state regarding the currency that "the above item", which is singular tense, not plural. The search warrant copy isn't the best, but it looks like there may be a decimal point in front of the 10. What do you all think, and what could be the significance?
Here's page 15 of the warrant where they list the amount found.
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=15;w=800
I was trying to read what it said in the column heading about it because it's pretty unclear on this page, so I looked on a different page. Here's page 12
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=12;w=800
It says "Value $ Recovered"

But there is a little smidge/dot right before the 10, so maybe it does mean 10 cents. And they possibly picked it up to see if they could get a print? And it does say "the above item."

At least we are leaving no stone unturned!

[blaize]

Here's page 15 of the warrant where they list the amount found.
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=15;w=800
I was trying to read what it said in the column heading about it because it's pretty unclear on this page, so I looked on a different page. Here's page 12
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=12;w=800
It says "Value $ Recovered"

But there is a little smidge/dot right before the 10, so maybe it does mean 10 cents. And they possibly picked it up to see if they could get a print? And it does say "the above item."

At least we are leaving no stone unturned!Hello,

I looked at page 15 and found it hard to tell if there was a decimal point there or not too so I saved the image, cropped it and then enlarged the cropped section which can be viewed here (http://www.echimera.net/upld/4444830warrantlastpageCurrencyAmountHighlighted.jp g)

As you can see even in the enlarged image it's very hard to tell.

Anyway hope that saves on some eye strain.

blaize