Big Boy Toys

[golfmom]

I was hoping to get information together regarding the Abaroa assets. Can some sleuthers help me out, please jump in where ever you see a spot!
:blowkiss:

From Pocketpcguy

2001 748 BiPosto (Under 6,500 Miles): Current bluebook is around $9,100, but he'll be lucky to pull $8,500. I have not been able to find out what the approximate cost was new.

Rear Stand
ChatterBox -- $199.00 new
Ducati Red Helmet -- $537.95 new
Optional Kevlar/Nylon riding suite
Optional SportMesh Joe Rocket Riding Suite -- $289.99 new
Dust Cover -- $50.00
Two magnetic Saddle Bags
Optional Ducati Nylon Jacket -- $100 new
Optional SIDI Low-Top riding shoes -- $100 new

[golfmom]

besides the vx... base price $28,900 new
2003 Specialized P.3 around $1,300
2003 Specialized Rockhopper (Wife) between $500-$600 new
2001 K2 Snowboards The snowboards range from $250-$400 each. Not including boots, straps, clothes, etc
2002 Ducati 748 Red NEW $13,500
Piece of **** 92 Jeep Wrangler w/ 35's and Red... Hate it
Bauer Street Rollerblades whew another *expensive* brand

[LadyGraffix@mac.com]

2003 Specialized Rockhopper (Wife) between $500-$600 new

Can you tell me what a Rockhopper is?? I've never heard the term before.

TIA

[golfmom]

Can you tell me what a Rockhopper is?? I've never heard the term before.

TIA

Both the rockhopper and p.3 are special mountain bikes. I'd never heard of them before either and had to pull out the magical google powers. LOL

I tried to look up price info on the buck knife and bear claw knife, but prices are all over the place depending on quality. One thing I know for sure tho, Raven wasn't the kind of guy to go to The Wal-Mart to pick them up.

[LadyGraffix@mac.com]

Both the rockhopper and p.3 are special mountain bikes. I'd never heard of them before either and had to pull out the magical google powers. LOL

Thanks . . . I couldn't, for the life of me, imagine what that was.

[Whimsigal]

The Ducati today would go for around $14,000 I believe. They are not cheap bikes!!!!


I live in Greensboro, NC and have not heard ONE thing about this case. :razz:


That is absolutely a shame. I found out by being a member here!

[LadyGraffix@mac.com]

I live in Greensboro, NC and have not heard ONE thing about this case. :razz:


That is absolutely a shame. I found out by being a member here!

That is a shame. But I gotta say, there have been quite a few crimes coming out of North Carolina and making national news over the last couple of weeks. Maybe its a case where they're having to be ultra-selective on what's being reported, because there are so many right now.

I dunno . . . just a guess.

[Thinkoflaura]

Good grief, the man didn't just RIDE his motorcycle, he MELDED with it. Look at the list of that clothing. I am ONE with my Ducatti.

I saw him doing the same thing with Kaiden in the photos. The expressions are absolutely mimicked.
I wonder if he sees humans as his possessions?


I was hoping to get information together regarding the Abaroa assets. Can some sleuthers help me out, please jump in where ever you see a spot!
:blowkiss:

From Pocketpcguy

2001 748 BiPosto (Under 6,500 Miles): Current bluebook is around $9,100, but he'll be lucky to pull $8,500. I have not been able to find out what the approximate cost was new.

Rear Stand
ChatterBox -- $199.00 new
Ducati Red Helmet -- $537.95 new
Optional Kevlar/Nylon riding suite
Optional SportMesh Joe Rocket Riding Suite -- $289.99 new
Dust Cover -- $50.00
Two magnetic Saddle Bags
Optional Ducati Nylon Jacket -- $100 new
Optional SIDI Low-Top riding shoes -- $100 new

[golfmom]

Good grief, the man didn't just RIDE his motorcycle, he MELDED with it. Look at the list of that clothing. I am ONE with my Ducatti.

I saw him doing the same thing with Kaiden in the photos. The expressions are absolutely mimicked.
I wonder if he sees humans as his possessions?

My kids ride dirtbikes so I knew the gear can really get expensive. But, when I buy the stuff I'm looking at protecting my kids so to me it's a good investment. When I see a $200 helmet cracked I sigh in relief ... that would have been my son or daughters' skull. So in other words, it's not how cool the stuff looks, it's how well it protects them.

When my husband and I were in our 20's we both rode street & dirt. We put the sport aside for many years to find more family friendly and less costly pursuits. As the kids got older ... my husband wanted to share his love for motorcycles with them ... sigh ...

[golfmom]

NC_VX02/15/2005, 10:45 AM
Its cherry red, in great shape. Has low miles. I am hoping to get 6,500 for it with two helmets, two sets of riding gear, some tank bags and gloves. It has a cover and some ducati touch up paint. Please let me know if you are interested...919-593-XXXX. My names Raven

[Jenifred]

NC_VX02/15/2005, 10:45 AM
Its cherry red, in great shape. Has low miles. I am hoping to get 6,500 for it with two helmets, two sets of riding gear, some tank bags and gloves. It has a cover and some ducati touch up paint. Please let me know if you are interested...919-593-XXXX. My names RavenInteresting to see that was in February of this year. Do we know if it was sold?

Was he in dire financial straits at this time? Or was he just heading into them? And if he hadn't been caught embezzling yet, why did he need more money?

[golfmom]

Interesting to see that was in February of this year. Do we know if it was sold?

Someone had expressed a possible interest in it, but I don't think it was actually sold. Maybe one of our lurkers can pm me if they know for sure if he still had it.

eta: a poster informed me that he still owns his motorcycle.

[ewwwinteresting]

Interesting to see that was in February of this year. Do we know if it was sold?

Was he in dire financial straits at this time? Or was he just heading into them? And if he hadn't been caught embezzling yet, why did he need more money?
Wasn't Raven charged in February? This could have been a way for him to pay back at least part of the $9,000.00 he took.

[golfmom]

Wasn't Raven charged in February? This could have been a way for him to pay back at least part of the $9,000.00 he took.

Our timeline has him charged in February. I know he had his VX up for sale locally, but I wonder how hard he really tried to sell his *toys*. Although 6,500 for the motorcycle and gear is a pretty attractive price. He was taking an absolute bath.

[PrayersForMaura]

Our timeline has him charged in February. I know he had his VX up for sale locally, but I wonder how hard he really tried to sell his *toys*. Although 6,500 for the motorcycle and gear is a pretty attractive price. He was taking an absolute bath.
I'd like to add this to the timeline but after a few days, we can edit our posts or delete them. :(
Maybe a moderaor can help...

[golfmom]

I've been trolling through the pictures at the VX site.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2984&cat=500&page=2

The above link shows you Raven with some other people and his WHITE VX.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3568&cat=500&page=1

This link should take you to a picture of Raven's new BLACK VX (special edition model), with the comment he made regarding his new purchase.
MARCH '04 purchase.

Here's another picture and the comment he included:
Poster: NC_VX (see this users gallery)
Its official, I spent a lot of money to get it, and hopefully I will still be a man and take it wheelin', but its so darn pritty now!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3570&cat=500&page=1

[Jenifred]

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2985&cat=500&page=1

There's Darius in the picture with him.

And looking at his gallery, Raven posted pictures of the white VX even after he said he purchased the black VX. What's the deal there?

[golfmom]

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2985&cat=500&page=1

There's Darius in the picture with him.

And looking at his gallery, Raven posted pictures of the white VX even after he said he purchased the black VX. What's the deal there?

I had a couple of thoughts about that ... Keep in mind that the Jeep was listed as Ravens as well.

He mentioned on the board that he specifically wanted TWO VX's. One for off-road and one for everyday driving. He may have hung on to the white VX for awhile hoping to be able to keep both.

or

He had some old pictures of the white VX that he uploaded to share with his buddies.

Edited to add: I have been told that he drove the BLACK VX to the funeral.

[golfmom]

They really got themselves upside on the loans on these vehicles.

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-3597.html

NC_VX03/24/2004, 03:19 PM
..........You may owe some on it and are hoping to get that back, but unfortunatly for all of us that got loans for the full value when buying new really didn't come out being able to sell. I was in your position until I found this site.... Decided I wanted to keep it and live with what I got!!! I fell in love with my VX after that!
..............

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-6324.html

NC_VX03/02/2005, 07:57 AM
I'm not one to complain for those who choose to part with their vehicles as I am selling my 99 as well.
...............

Dude, I was in your shoes a dozen times thinking of reasons I made a bad choice. I bought my 99 brand new and a year later was thinking... Damn, I could have gotten a 4 door grand cherokee for the same price I paid for my VX.... Five years later I am now so glad I didn't get rid of the VX or go with a "traditional SUV".... Then again, I like being different.

[golfmom]

I don't think Raven was serious about selling his VX. He parked it basically in the middle of nowhere with a for sale sign on it. He belonged to this club of enthusiast for this particular vehicle. He posted that he considered selling it, but that Janet now agreed with him that they had too much into it and it wasn't a good idea to sell.

This board is a very active community that gets together regularly for meets. Raven is the proud owner of the holy-grail limited edition for these folks. People regularly post that they want a VX and are having a hard time acquiring one. So, Raven posts that his motorcyle is for sale, but I can't find one posting saying his truck was for sale.

Why did he have his truck for sale on the corner instead of using the club members that would have actually put him in touch with serious buyers? I think it was strictly for show, and he had no intention of really selling.

[golfmom]

Eventually, I guess if you keep looking you'll end up finding what you're looking for ....

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:hJsa1NRXxjcJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-6023.html+vehicross+NC_VX+wife&hl=en

NC_VX01/20/2005, 09:39 AM
I fall into the Jobless statistics that CNN reads out these days. SHIZZZ.

I'm looking hard, but its really difficult to start over.

So, I am asking $13,000 O.B.O for my pride and joy.

This 1999 VX has just under 110,000 miles, had the timing belt recently replaced, has regular oil and tire rotations and has been carefully cared for wiht no mud slinging, just rock climbing and enjoying some fun West Virginia Dirt roads!

The body is in perfect shape with a custom very nice Black paint job. I recently installed the Cobra CB radio with Firewire Antenna, but I haven't hard wired it to the car yet (cause I don't know how). I also have run the wires for the trunk popper, but again, not wired.

What the VX has is tinting around all windows, clearcorners on turn signals, PIAA Fog Lights and Horn lights with Bright white bulbs on headlights. I feature the custom VX decal and mostly debadged body. The inside has the Extended seat for passanger and trunk box in the rear. I also have the Subwoofer Spare tire mount, but no aftermarket system or speakers installed.

Underneath this bad boy is a PV2 Muffler, OEM 912 springs, RS9000 shocks and a heafty 33in tires. The latest add on was the beefy STINKYFAB links that are painted Red.

.....................

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/2/510hpim0290-med.jpg

BIG DISCUSSION FOLLOWS ....

NC_VX02/03/2005, 02:34 PM
Thanks for the warm wishes. At the ripe old age of 25 I am learning to grow up. I guess a child and some bad turns does that for you! All in all, my wife and I are loving life and things are really looking up. Just the other day I got a job offer. While its not in the range I was hoping to make, I think I am going to take it because it is something I love to do and I ahve the potential of earning more money in the short term if I am successful.

My wife is working full time too. Its been h ard on her being away from our little guy all day, but we have a wonderful friend who is watching him and we are spending 100% of our time with hime when we aren't at work!

I may not sell the VX after all!!!

MORE DISCUSSION ....

NC_VX02/15/2005, 10:42 AM
Thanks for the words of wisdom RT. You are right on with what it takes to get the job and I've been practicing those models.

I am now working for an IT training company out of Raleigh, however I am not making near what I need to survive. I am still steadily interviewing for some higher paying jobs and one job I am in as a finalist.

I've decided that parting with the VX is going to be what I need to do. I am going to go to the complete lowest I can go to hopefully sell within 30 days as I am a few payments behind as of today and don't think I can catch up in my current state.

With that said, I am willing to part with this guy for an unbelievably low price of:
11,900.00

This includes all accessories and a VX that is truly unique! Anyone interested feel free to call at 919-593-4535

[ewwwinteresting]

With that said, I am willing to part with this guy for an unbelievably low price of:
11,900.00

This includes all accessories and a VX that is truly unique! Anyone interested feel free to call at 919-593-4535
BUT he never sold the VX....he drove it to the funeral, correct? So, did he pick to keep the VX and not his wife??

[golfmom]

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:iyASF2ejFx0J:www.vehicross.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-3982.html+NC_VX+wife&hl=en

NC_VX05/07/2004, 08:48 AM
So, at one point I was on the lower half of that pole. I started off loving every minute of it. I bought a S2000, and my Ducati and decided I wanted a Jeep instead. I hadn't listed the VX ever, but I started making (yes, I had to force her, she hated it from day 1, but it eventually grew on her and she was mad when I took it back) my wife drive it around since I traveled for work a lot. I dind't much care for the goofiness of the vehicle, like not having a trunk popper, hard to access rear seats, horrible rear view, sucky mileage.... I was looking at unloading it and realized I would have to take a sizeable loss to do that. I was STUCK with this freakin car..... BOOOM, one day I found this website. I only looked through it for about 30 minutes, mostly to see what "bad" stuff I could find about the car to add to my frustration with the huge loss I would take.

........blah, blah, blah ... figured out how to dump a lot more money into a vehicle he hated at this point so that he would now love it...........

Yeah, I'm 24 but I've owned 25 vehicles, including 6 motorcycles.

..................

I hated loosing money on cars, but I felt I had this disease where I lost interest, like a severe form of ADHD for adults.... But this was my medicine. It is so exciting to look forward to modding my VX and meeting all the other owners.... IN a nutshell, I WILL NEVER EVER SELL MY VX.. In fact, got a little one on the way (Oct due date). By then I hope to have a DVD screen in the front and a drop down screen in the back.... Barney, here we come!!!!!!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I hated loosing money on cars, but I felt I had this disease where I lost interest, like a severe form of ADHD for adults.... But this was my medicine. Interesting since many of you have speculated that he might have ADD. So the cars were his medicine? A compulsion; something compelled him to acquire more & more cars? I find the line about losing interest to be intriguing. Of course, it doesn't make him a murderer but I wonder if he only lost interest in cars or if that extended to houses, states, jobs, women ... he did move around quite a bit when he was young. Perhaps he's just not able to be tied down to any one person, place, or thing for too long.

[golfmom]

Interesting since many of you have speculated that he might have ADD. So the cars were his medicine? A compulsion; something compelled him to acquire more & more cars? I find the line about losing interest to be intriguing. Of course, it doesn't make him a murderer but I wonder if he only lost interest in cars or if that extended to houses, states, jobs, women ... he did move around quite a bit when he was young. Perhaps he's just not able to be tied down to any one person, place, or thing for too long.

VERY interesting observation.

[Rooster]

Eventually, I guess if you keep looking you'll end up finding what you're looking for ....

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:hJsa1NRXxjcJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-6023.html+vehicross+NC_VX+wife&hl=en

NC_VX01/20/2005, 09:39 AM
I fall into the Jobless statistics that CNN reads out these days. SHIZZZ.

I'm looking hard, but its really difficult to start over.

So, I am asking $13,000 O.B.O for my pride and joy.

This 1999 VX has just under 110,000 miles, had the timing belt recently replaced, has regular oil and tire rotations and has been carefully cared for wiht no mud slinging, just rock climbing and enjoying some fun West Virginia Dirt roads!

The body is in perfect shape with a custom very nice Black paint job. I recently installed the Cobra CB radio with Firewire Antenna, but I haven't hard wired it to the car yet (cause I don't know how). I also have run the wires for the trunk popper, but again, not wired.

What the VX has is tinting around all windows, clearcorners on turn signals, PIAA Fog Lights and Horn lights with Bright white bulbs on headlights. I feature the custom VX decal and mostly debadged body. The inside has the Extended seat for passanger and trunk box in the rear. I also have the Subwoofer Spare tire mount, but no aftermarket system or speakers installed.

Underneath this bad boy is a PV2 Muffler, OEM 912 springs, RS9000 shocks and a heafty 33in tires. The latest add on was the beefy STINKYFAB links that are painted Red.

.....................

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/2/510hpim0290-med.jpg

BIG DISCUSSION FOLLOWS ....

NC_VX02/03/2005, 02:34 PM
Thanks for the warm wishes. At the ripe old age of 25 I am learning to grow up. I guess a child and some bad turns does that for you! All in all, my wife and I are loving life and things are really looking up. Just the other day I got a job offer. While its not in the range I was hoping to make, I think I am going to take it because it is something I love to do and I ahve the potential of earning more money in the short term if I am successful.

My wife is working full time too. Its been h ard on her being away from our little guy all day, but we have a wonderful friend who is watching him and we are spending 100% of our time with hime when we aren't at work!

I may not sell the VX after all!!!

MORE DISCUSSION ....

NC_VX02/15/2005, 10:42 AM
Thanks for the words of wisdom RT. You are right on with what it takes to get the job and I've been practicing those models.

I am now working for an IT training company out of Raleigh, however I am not making near what I need to survive. I am still steadily interviewing for some higher paying jobs and one job I am in as a finalist.

I've decided that parting with the VX is going to be what I need to do. I am going to go to the complete lowest I can go to hopefully sell within 30 days as I am a few payments behind as of today and don't think I can catch up in my current state.

With that said, I am willing to part with this guy for an unbelievably low price of:
11,900.00

This includes all accessories and a VX that is truly unique! Anyone interested feel free to call at 919-593-4535
Thanks for finding somemore good stuff about Raven! There's more out there.

[Rooster]

BUT he never sold the VX....he drove it to the funeral, correct? So, did he pick to keep the VX and not his wife??

Do you think this is funny to anyone? You sound so heartless.
Selling his VX probably isn't first priority right now...I mean common.

[Rooster]

I've been trolling through the pictures at the VX site.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2984&cat=500&page=2

The above link shows you Raven with some other people and his WHITE VX.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3568&cat=500&page=1

This link should take you to a picture of Raven's new BLACK VX (special edition model), with the comment he made regarding his new purchase.
MARCH '04 purchase.

Here's another picture and the comment he included:
Poster: NC_VX (see this users gallery)
Its official, I spent a lot of money to get it, and hopefully I will still be a man and take it wheelin', but its so darn pritty now!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3570&cat=500&page=1
BTW, It's the same VX with a new, black paint job. (Picture taken 1 day after he got it back from the body shop.) Probably fixed that dent in the back too.

[golfmom]

Thanks for finding somemore good stuff about Raven! There's more out there.

Rooster, you may not think so, but we do look for the truth. I'm not going to ignore anything just because it doesn't fit what I think occurred. As a matter of fact, I take a lot of heat on another board because I believe that a defendant might be innocent. So, I know what it's like to be in the hot seat around here. So, if I find it, I post it.

But, I'm not sure how *good* of a light this really does put Raven in.

[golfmom]

BTW, It's the same VX with a new, black paint job. (Picture taken 1 day after he got it back from the body shop.) Probably fixed that dent in the back too.

Thank you, someone just tipped me off to that the other day. I was still searching the VX boards for confirmation before I corrected here.

So you can confirm that Raven painted his white VX black?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Selling his VX probably isn't first priority right now...I mean common.I don't know how to ask this without upsetting you so I'm just going to ask it and hope you'll understand. I can totally understand that selling his VX is not his first priority right now. But what about 6 months ago? It sounds as if there were financial problems for a while so why even still have the VX? I know that they probably wouldn't have gotten back even close to what they paid for it but even to be free of the payments would have been a bit of a help financially.

Here's the part that might seem upsetting. If it is, I truly apologize. If selling his VX isn't his top priority right now, (understandable), was it a priority to log onto his MySpace account one week after Janet's murder? He's even updated the space and added friends barely weeks after Janet's death. People DO grieve differently but I don't know if I would have been able to go online for anything so soon after the loss of a loved one. I'm genuinely just asking because I don't understand; not trying to sound accusatory.

[cappuccina]

...can you point us to the source(s) of the "good stuff" out there? Please feel free to post info. and links...Thanks! :)

[Jesstexas]

I haven't seen this posted before, so forgive me if it's a repeat:

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?p=49972#post49972

12/02/2004, 01:45 PM
First off, I've been off the website for a few months now, only checking back a couple times here and there. My wife and I had our first child. You can check out pictures here (http://www.ravenstree.com/).

Second and most important. I took my car into a repair place Monday for an oil change, tire rotation, and new Timing Belt. Looks like a half day's of labor turned into a three day project. [. . . ] I feel kinda cheated here causee I expect to get my car back better then when I brought it in since I paid $450 for them to do all that stuff. What do you recommend?

[golfmom]

I haven't seen this posted before, so forgive me if it's a repeat:

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?p=49972#post49972

12/02/2004, 01:45 PM
First off, I've been off the website for a few months now, only checking back a couple times here and there. My wife and I had our first child. You can check out pictures here (http://www.ravenstree.com/).

Second and most important. I took my car into a repair place Monday for an oil change, tire rotation, and new Timing Belt. Looks like a half day's of labor turned into a three day project. [. . . ] I feel kinda cheated here causee I expect to get my car back better then when I brought it in since I paid $450 for them to do all that stuff. What do you recommend?



Jess, did you join? I never did and have been searching their forum the hard way! LOL

Can you tell if these folks know that Janet has died?

[Jesstexas]

Yes. And no - not that I can find. His last post was 3/12/05 (although his "last activity" was 5/24/05.

[golfmom]

Yes. And no - not that I can find. His last post was 3/12/05 (although his "last activity" was 5/24/05.

Jess, I'm having a hard time finding a post in there ... something about Raven's wish list for future vehicles. I think he wanted like a matching 280Z or something like that. Anyway I thought that was the post that referenced the pay off info.

But then again ... :crazy: I got a lot of info rolling around in there!

[lauriej]

Jess, I'm having a hard time finding a post in there ... something about Raven's wish list for future vehicles. I think he wanted like a matching 280Z or something like that. Anyway I thought that was the post that referenced the pay off info.

But then again ... :crazy: I got a lot of info rolling around in there!
.........is this the post you're referrung to.....g/m had posted this bafore..:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9mCDezNicqgJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php%3Fgoto%3Dnewpost%26threadid%3D2923+ NC_VX+for+sale&hl=en

NC_VX
Super Charged VXer

99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill
Joined Jun 2003
195 Posts Post# 7
that is so perdy!!! I will keep my ears opened. Everyone wants one once they see mine, but no one really wants one, if you know what I am saying.... talk is cheap, show me some cash!!!

I one day will be in the market for VX#2, and I hope it is in as great as shape as yours. Mine will be paid off next year, and then I want to buy a street one, and get my 99 vx ready for the big stuff!!! Ya know, 4 mies to the gallon type of stuff.....

Anyway, dreams, dreams!! Maybe I will just get a 350Z, they look really nice next to the VX.. The Saint has one, cool!!!! they even match colors!

I am going through a D right now, so I know the feeling! Best of luck!

[SouthEastSleuth]

This was posted on the VX board on 2/15/2005... notice at the bottom where we says he's "a few payments befind as of today..."


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http://www.vehicross.info/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif Let's Cut our Losses
Thanks for the words of wisdom RT. You are right on with what it takes to get the job and I've been practicing those models.

I am now working for an IT training company out of Raleigh, however I am not making near what I need to survive. I am still steadily interviewing for some higher paying jobs and one job I am in as a finalist.

I've decided that parting with the VX is going to be what I need to do. I am going to go to the complete lowest I can go to hopefully sell within 30 days as I am a few payments behind as of today and don't think I can catch up in my current state.

With that said, I am willing to part with this guy for an unbelievably low price of:
11,900.00

This includes all accessories and a VX that is truly unique! Anyone interested feel free to call at 919-593-4535

[golfmom]

[QUOTE=lauriej].........is this the post you're referrung to.....g/m had posted this bafore..:
[QUOTE]

You know it's a bad day when you can't even find your own posts!

[SouthEastSleuth]

Mine will be paid off next year[/b], and then I want to buy a street one, and get my 99 vx ready for the big stuff!!! Ya know, 4 mies to the gallon type of stuff.....

Anyway, dreams, dreams!! Maybe I will just get a 350Z, they look really nice next to the VX.. The Saint has one, cool!!!! they even match colors!

I am going through a D right now, so I know the feeling! Best of luck!
Ok, so that post was in January 2004. (when he going through a "d" right now.) And he said then that his VX would be paid off next year.

And then in February of 2005, he's trying to sell it, because he's already several months behind on payments.

Sound right??

[golfmom]

Ok, so that post was in January 2004. (when he going through a "d" right now.) And he said then that his VX would be paid off next year.

And then in February of 2005, he's trying to sell it, because he's already several months behind on payments.

Sound right??

Could he have used it as collateral in another loan?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

NC_VX
Super Charged VXer

99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill
Joined Jun 2003
195 Posts Post# 7
that is so perdy!!! I will keep my ears opened. Everyone wants one once they see mine, but no one really wants one, if you know what I am saying.... talk is cheap, show me some cash!!!

I one day will be in the market for VX#2, and I hope it is in as great as shape as yours. Mine will be paid off next year, and then I want to buy a street one, and get my 99 vx ready for the big stuff!!! Ya know, 4 mies to the gallon type of stuff.....

Anyway, dreams, dreams!! Maybe I will just get a 350Z, they look really nice next to the VX.. The Saint has one, cool!!!! they even match colors!

I am going through a D right now, so I know the feeling! Best of luck!Are you guys able to see the post to which this is in response?

[golfmom]

Are you guys able to see the post to which this is in response?

I don't want to slog back through there, but wasn't someone trying to sell their VX and Raven responded to it?

[ewwwinteresting]

NC_VX communicating some more on the Vehicross Forum:

NC_VX
04/13/2004, 06:44 PM
Those images and short movie are amazing. Technology facsinates me. I also downloaded the image of the girl with red streaks as my desktop background! Hope the wife doens't get jealous of a computer image!!!

Playboy? Maybe, the short wasn't anything sexy, just realistic... Too cool how the facial features look so natural and the texture of the skin so real...

HOWEVER, I clicked on this thread from the main page and thought is was a 3D rendering of the VX....bummer! __________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina

NC_VX
04/13/2004, 10:03 AM
A Very Long Drive
So, I'm in Chicago next week for business, flying in Sunday and then staying through Wednesday afternoon.... Sounds fun, will enjoy the site seeing... Then I am turning around and driving to Indiana from North Carolina! I am crazy!!!!

I am leaving Thursday morning to arrive in Attica Thursday night I guess. Is anyone planning on being up there sooner or camping or anything? Just wondering cause my wife and I and my dog will probably be there (not sure about the wife, but for sure me and the dog!)

I need to read our 6 pages of thread to figure out the details again, I am getting excited! __________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina

NC_VX
04/16/2004, 06:47 AM
Guys, it looks like we're all on our own for this weekend. Its probably better, I am moving the end of htis month and getting preasure from friends and family that I am shirking my responsibilities for entertainment.... NO, not me!!!!

Besides, three mods to complette: Still don't have my CB installed, Trunk popper, muffler, or tint..... Very minor stuff, but I want to have my VX all shiny when she meets her brothers and sisters!!!!

Catch ya'll later! __________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina

NC_VX
04/22/2004, 07:48 AM
4wheelparts.com.. grrrrrrrr
Ya'All, Don't know if I will be making it. I just got back from Chicago and my wife is giving me a hard time about leaving since we are moving next week!!!! Women!

If I don't make it, I will soon connect with some VX crew. I am feeling quite lonely out here in NC.

I wanted to say afew things about the quote that 4wheelparts is the best 4 wheel place. I know that there is one in Charlotte, NC and this is what I have to say.... I spent $2k on parts for my jeep, from springs, to seats, liner, push bars, pitman arms, steering columns, etc... All the accessories get in and I take the jeep in to have it all installed (because I don't have a garage to do it myself) and the freakin company calls me and said they can't cause the jeep has a spring over and they don't work on spring over lifts.... Holy Cow, it was their staff that came out, surveyed my car, recommended the correct solutions, and **** like that... And then they say they can't install any of it!!! PLuS, PLUS, PLUS, they recommended I sell the VX instead of mod it and spend the money I woud have spent lifing the VX and shiz to fix up my jeep!!!! F$*#&$'s

Just a few days!!! __________________
-The Rave-
North Carolina

NC_VX

[SouthEastSleuth]

I don't want to slog back through there, but wasn't someone trying to sell their VX and Raven responded to it?
Yes, exactly.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I don't want to slog back through there, but wasn't someone trying to sell their VX and Raven responded to it?I'm just curious about the "going through a D, so I know the feeling" statement. I'm interested in knowing how that relates to whatever conversation was going on.

[SouthEastSleuth]

I'm just curious about the "going through a D, know what you're going through" statement. I'm interested in knowing how that relates to whatever conversation was going on.
As well as I remember that particular VX board post, without digging up exactly, the person selling a VX mentioned that he was going through a divorce. In responding, Raven made the statement you reference...

[golfmom]

I'm just curious about the "going through a D, so I know the feeling" statement. I'm interested in knowing how that relates to whatever conversation was going on.

Misterallgood, blogged the find (can I pat myself on the back!)

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Misterallgood, blogged the find (can I pat myself on the back!)Oh good. It seems like it might be an important conversation to have documented somewhere.

[golfmom]

All my posts are here regarding the VX. Rooster I appreciate you letting me know that the VX was repainted. Thank you for clearing that up.

[golfmom]

BUMP to make this thread easier to find.

[Rooster]

All my posts are here regarding the VX. Rooster I appreciate you letting me know that the VX was repainted. Thank you for clearing that up.
Sorry, I didn't see this until now. You're welcome.:)

[golfmom]

Sorry, I didn't see this until now. You're welcome.:)

I searched myself silly trying to prove Raven was trying to sell the VX and then found the two different colors. It never dawned on me someone would take a white vehicle and paint it black! Having had a few repaint jobs, I know that just isn't something that is *done*.

[Rooster]

I searched myself silly trying to prove Raven was trying to sell the VX and then found the two different colors. It never dawned on me someone would take a white vehicle and paint it black! Having had a few repaint jobs, I know that just isn't something that is *done*.
I'm sorry...I'm not following....what do you mean?

[ewwwinteresting]

I searched myself silly trying to prove Raven was trying to sell the VX and then found the two different colors. It never dawned on me someone would take a white vehicle and paint it black! Having had a few repaint jobs, I know that just isn't something that is *done*.
Why don't you think this is something you just don't do GM????

[golfmom]

After some hail damage I was determined to change my vehicle from a bright red to a darker red color. I never was really happy when all was said and done. I was warned too and was too thick-headed to listen. I'd have a heart-attack over the slightest ding because I had the risk of color problems It costs a lot more money to completely change a vehicles color like that. You have to take it down to the metal and take very single part off to repaint. If not when you open the car doors, jams etc. the previous color would show through.

[ewwwinteresting]

After some hail damage I was determined to change my vehicle from a bright red to a darker red color. I never was really happy when all was said and done. I was warned too and was too thick-headed to listen. I'd have a heart-attack over the slightest ding because I had the risk of color problems It costs a lot more money to completely change a vehicles color like that. You have to take it down to the metal and take very single part off to repaint. If not when you open the car doors, jams etc. the previous color would show through.
Ahhhh, that makes sense.

[golfmom]

Ahhhh, that makes sense.

I learned my lesson. Most reputable paint companies will tell you the same. It would cost a whole lot to switch from white to black and have it look good. And, the VX does look good.

[ewwwinteresting]

I learned my lesson. Most reputable paint companies will tell you the same. It would cost a whole lot to switch from white to black and have it look good. And, the VX does look good.
Well from Raven's postings on the VX website, he didn't seem to like or listen to anybody that tried to tell him not to put money into his VX!

[golfmom]

Well from Raven's postings on the VX website, he didn't seem to like or listen to anybody that tried to tell him not to put money into his VX!

He could have saved himself a bunch by sticking with the white and the VX would still look great. I guess you could chalk that one up to another poor financial decision.

[ewwwinteresting]

He could have saved himself a bunch by sticking with the white and the VX would still look great. I guess you could chalk that one up to another poor financial decision.
You have to wonder if all of those poor financial decision is what led him to embezzle from Eurosport or was it something he did at other jobs and only got caught at Eurosport?

[Rooster]

He could have saved himself a bunch by sticking with the white and the VX would still look great. I guess you could chalk that one up to another poor financial decision.
BUT...not as poor of a financial decision as buying a whole new VX...right.

[ewwwinteresting]

BUT...not as poor of a financial decision as buying a whole new VX...right.
.....or buying a VX in the first place. Sorry, I'm not a car person so maybe that makes a difference:)

[golfmom]

BUT...not as poor of a financial decision as buying a whole new VX...right.

Absolutely! He got so upside down on this vehicle, it was way better to repaint it and hang on to it than anything else.

Even if he sold it and bought a *beater*, he'd run the risk of it not being mechanically sound and being another poor choice. He was way better with sticking with the VX.

[golfmom]

.....or buying a VX in the first place. Sorry, I'm not a car person so maybe that makes a difference:)

LOL ... my first car was a used Gremlin and I wouldn't care if I was still driving it. All a car is supposed to do is get you from place A to place B. The rest is marketing trying to take our hard earned money away from us.

I'm not a car person either.

[ewwwinteresting]

Absolutely! He got so upside down on this vehicle, it was way better to repaint it and hang on to it than anything else.

Even if he sold it and bought a *beater*, he'd run the risk of it not being mechanically sound and being another poor choice. He was way better with sticking with the VX.
But why did it have to be black?...he bought a white one.....and it obviously would have been cheaper just to keep it white?

[golfmom]

But why did it have to be black?...he bought a white one.....and it obviously would have been cheaper just to keep it white?

LOL ... and why are men dumb? and why is the sky blue? and does a bear $hit it the woods? :bang: I don't know.

[ewwwinteresting]

:behindbar LOL ... and why are men dumb?

HEY!

[golfmom]

:behindbar

HEY!

Do you resemble that remark?

[ewwwinteresting]

Do you resemble that remark?
I'll tell you what I don't resemble.....is a man that spends all of his money on toys, at the expense of his family! You couldn't say ebay fast enough for me to get rid of all my toys in a hurry to pay for rent, etc...

[golfmom]

Even I'm shocked at the prices here and I've had 5-6 regular (not custom) repaints. Changing color will drive your price up, but the custom job he would have had to have done must have been astronomical!

http://www.allpar.com/eek/body.html

.............

If you're going to paint the car a different color, then be prepared to remove the engine, all parts from the engine compartment, entire interior, entire trunk, and a lot of other parts. Unless you just want to paint the areas that are seen. Then you don't have to worry too much. A good body shop can work around certain things to make the car look good.

..............
The only type of body shop that will spend the time to remove all of the mouldings and trim and put them away in a nice orderly fashion would be a custom body shop. These shops will totally take apart your car, rebuild it, and re-paint it whatever color you want. They'll do custom work like graphics, pin stripping, metal flake, sparkle flake, or candy. These places will charge around $7000-$8000 for a custom job and about $3000 for a basic paint job.

................

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ewwwinteresting, you are a male? Am I understanding correctly?

[lauriej]

[QUOTE=golfmom]Even I'm shocked at the prices here and I've had 5-6 regular (not custom) repaints. Changing color will drive your price up, but the custom job he would have had to have done must have been astronomical!

http://www.allpar.com/eek/body.html

.............

...and he does say it was a 'custom' paint job....

: 99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell (http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=6023)

NC_VX
01/20/2005, 09:39 AM

I fall into the Jobless statistics that CNN reads out these days. SHIZZZ.

I'm looking hard, but its really difficult to start over.

So, I am asking $13,000 O.B.O for my pride and joy.

This 1999 VX has just under 110,000 miles, had the timing belt recently replaced, has regular oil and tire rotations and has been carefully cared for wiht no mud slinging, just rock climbing and enjoying some fun West Virginia Dirt roads!

The body is in perfect shape with a custom very nice Black paint job. I recently installed the Cobra CB radio with Firewire Antenna, but I haven't hard wired it to the car yet (cause I don't know how). I also have run the wires for the trunk popper, but again, not wired.

[golfmom]

:eek: Did I mention I'm shocked!

You can buy ........ :razz: ......... nevermind! :razz:

[PrayersForMaura]

Even I'm shocked at the prices here and I've had 5-6 regular (not custom) repaints. Changing color will drive your price up, but the custom job he would have had to have done must have been astronomical!

http://www.allpar.com/eek/body.html

.............

If you're going to paint the car a different color, then be prepared to remove the engine, all parts from the engine compartment, entire interior, entire trunk, and a lot of other parts. Unless you just want to paint the areas that are seen. Then you don't have to worry too much. A good body shop can work around certain things to make the car look good.

..............
The only type of body shop that will spend the time to remove all of the mouldings and trim and put them away in a nice orderly fashion would be a custom body shop. These shops will totally take apart your car, rebuild it, and re-paint it whatever color you want. They'll do custom work like graphics, pin stripping, metal flake, sparkle flake, or candy. These places will charge around $7000-$8000 for a custom job and about $3000 for a basic paint job.

................
These places will charge around $7000-$8000 for a custom job and about $3000 for a basic paint job.

hmmm... $7000-$8000 for a paint job... kind of close to the amount of merchandise embezzled. :waitasec:

[Timex]

These places will charge around $7000-$8000 for a custom job and about $3000 for a basic paint job.

hmmm... $7000-$8000 for a paint job... kind of close to the amount of merchandise embezzled. :waitasec:


What made Ravens a custom paint job? I thought it was simply painted black?

[golfmom]

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9RxNgwNMPEcJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-3210.html+NC_VX+jeep&hl=en

NC_VX04/22/2004, 08:48 AM
.................
I wanted to say afew things about the quote that 4wheelparts is the best 4 wheel place. I know that there is one in Charlotte, NC and this is what I have to say.... I spent $2k on parts for my jeep, from springs, to seats, liner, push bars, pitman arms, steering columns, etc... All the accessories get in and I take the jeep in to have it all installed (because I don't have a garage to do it myself)
................
it was their staff that came out, surveyed my car, recommended the correct solutions, and **** like that... And then they say they can't install any of it!!! PLuS, PLUS, PLUS, they recommended I sell the VX instead of mod it and spend the money I woud have spent lifing the VX and shiz to fix up my jeep!!!! F$*#&$'s
.........

They told him to get rid of his VX and put his money in the Jeep. I wonder what they knew? Like maybe he wouldn't be able to get his money out of the vx?

[golfmom]

What made Ravens a custom paint job? I thought it was simply painted black?

No, it was all tricked out. Very sharp.

[lauriej]

What made Ravens a custom paint job? I thought it was simply painted black?
..he said it was custom on the VX forum :

: 99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell (http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=6023)

NC_VX
01/20/2005, 09:39 AM

I fall into the Jobless statistics that CNN reads out these days. SHIZZZ.

I'm looking hard, but its really difficult to start over.

So, I am asking $13,000 O.B.O for my pride and joy.

This 1999 VX has just under 110,000 miles, had the timing belt recently replaced, has regular oil and tire rotations and has been carefully cared for wiht no mud slinging, just rock climbing and enjoying some fun West Virginia Dirt roads!

The body is in perfect shape with a custom very nice Black paint job. I recently installed the Cobra CB radio with Firewire Antenna, but I haven't hard wired it to the car yet (cause I don't know how). I also have run the wires for the trunk popper, but again, not wired.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

These places will charge around $7000-$8000 for a custom job and about $3000 for a basic paint job.

hmmm... $7000-$8000 for a paint job... kind of close to the amount of merchandise embezzled. :waitasec:Actually, reading this got me to thinking. If he embezzled $9,000 worth of merchandise, that'd probably be wholesale value, correct? So if he sold that stuff even at a reduced rate over what the retail market would charge, he'd probably still get back more than $9,000 if he sold it all. I wonder if he sold it all, and what the $9,000 theft actually netted him after the sales.

[lauriej]

..although i find it hard to believe that anyone would spend 7 or 8 thousand $$$'s on a vehicle they are selling for 13 thousand...

[Timex]

..he said it was custom on the VX forum :

: 99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell (http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=6023)

NC_VX
01/20/2005, 09:39 AM

I fall into the Jobless statistics that CNN reads out these days. SHIZZZ.

I'm looking hard, but its really difficult to start over.

So, I am asking $13,000 O.B.O for my pride and joy.

This 1999 VX has just under 110,000 miles, had the timing belt recently replaced, has regular oil and tire rotations and has been carefully cared for wiht no mud slinging, just rock climbing and enjoying some fun West Virginia Dirt roads!

The body is in perfect shape with a custom very nice Black paint job. I recently installed the Cobra CB radio with Firewire Antenna, but I haven't hard wired it to the car yet (cause I don't know how). I also have run the wires for the trunk popper, but again, not wired.


So it wasnt solid black? I could paint my car "custom green", but it wouldnt cost me $8000 so long as it was a solid color. The price comes in when you add pin stripes, flames etc...or use any of the red, or orange paints.

[golfmom]

Poster: NC_VX (see this users gallery)
Its official, I spent a lot of money to get it, and hopefully I will still be a man and take it wheelin', but its so darn pritty now!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/s...&cat=500&page=1

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

..although i find it hard to believe that anyone would spend 7 or 8 thousand $$$'s on a vehicle they are selling for 13 thousand...That's true but it might depend on your position at the time. When he got the paint job, he might have been working, everything looked promising, etc. Then when the bottom fell out, any cash back was better than nothing.

[golfmom]

So it wasnt solid black? I could paint my car "custom green", but it wouldnt cost me $8000 so long as it was a solid color. The price comes in when you add pin stripes, flames etc...or use any of the red, or orange paints.

Remember tho he had to take it from WHITE to BLACK. That's not an easy job, even if you go solid black and no metallic glittery paint or pin striping.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Maybe I'm dating myself here - but, what's up with this CB radio deal. I mean do many people still buy/use them for personal use? I know, what 20 years ago or more that there was a huge CB craze...but I had no idea that individuals used them much anymore, for personal use anyway.

And, as I know NOTHING about CB radios....is there anything in that vein that would be worth spending any investigation time on, or not?

[PrayersForMaura]

Poster: NC_VX (see this users gallery)
Its official, I spent a lot of money to get it, and hopefully I will still be a man and take it wheelin', but its so darn pritty now!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/s...&cat=500&page=1

Ya know, we should do some writing analysis and then if we find another forum where we are seeking him out, find our how many of the words he has used in posts that he uses elsewhere... there are certain words he consistenly spells wrong and he uses Dude a lot to ...

I bet we could find an online personal of him somewhere by digging up some idiosyncracies in his writing.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I wonder if Raven's other VX buddies had CB's in theirs, and so they'd communicate with each other while doing their adventures.

[Timex]

Remember tho he had to take it from WHITE to BLACK. That's not an easy job, even if you go solid black and no metallic glittery paint or pin striping.


Right, but that still wouldnt put the price at $8000.00. $4000.00 would easily cover it. Still alot of money, but not what I would call a hefty price for painting a vehicle.

[PrayersForMaura]

Maybe I'm dating myself here - but, what's up with this CB radio deal. I mean do many people still buy/use them for personal use? I know, what 20 years ago or more that there was a huge CB craze...but I had no idea that individuals used them much anymore, for personal use anyway.

And, as I know NOTHING about CB radios....is there anything in that vein that would be worth spending any investigation time on, or not?some people listen in on each other's conversations on CB. And people who talk on them sometimes think that it's less risky to track like home phones and cell phones, but what some fools don't know is that some people in little ol' towns with nothing better to do tape cb conversation all the time with special satellite devices.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Good observation (about the spelling, certain word usage, etc.), PrayersforMaura. Did you see his post about the image he downloaded to use as his desktop background or something? He was talking about hoping the wife didn't get jealous, and how the skin looked so real, etc. It was kind of creepy actually - lol. If he got that much pleasure out of some computer image, I really believe that he'd at least be browsing porn and pornographic chat rooms. I believe that he has been around the net in a sexual manner but whether or not he posted or chatted, I don't know. What are some of the more popular message boards for people his age and/or with his interests? As far as dating sites, I'm sure we can't get any information on him aside from stumbling onto his photo (if he posted one), based on our search parameters.

[golfmom]

I wonder if Raven's other VX buddies had CB's in theirs, and so they'd communicate with each other while doing their adventures.

I know he had a communication devices like that for the motorcycle helmets too.

[lauriej]

..........and then he drops the price to 11.900.00

NC_VX
02/15/2005, 10:42 AM
.
...

I've decided that parting with the VX is going to be what I need to do. I am going to go to the complete lowest I can go to hopefully sell within 30 days as I am a few payments behind as of today and don't think I can catch up in my current state.

With that said, I am willing to part with this guy for an unbelievably low price of:
11,900.00

This includes all accessories and a VX that is truly unique! Anyone interested feel free to call at 919-593-xxxx

[golfmom]

Right, but that still wouldnt put the price at $8000.00. $4000.00 would easily cover it. Still alot of money, but not what I would call a hefty price for painting a vehicle.

Did you see where he dropped $2K on accessories for the jeep and they told him to dump the vx and invest more in the jeep? Jeeps hold their resale fairly well versus the vx's which went for around $30K new to practically worthless overnight. He made the choice to keep dumping money into the vx. I agree with you I don't think it got as high as $8K, but probably was between $4-6K for that job.

[PrayersForMaura]

Good observation (about the spelling, certain word usage, etc.), PrayersforMaura. Did you see his post about the image he downloaded to use as his desktop background or something? He was talking about hoping the wife didn't get jealous, and how the skin looked so real, etc. It was kind of creepy actually - lol. If he got that much pleasure out of some computer image, I really believe that he'd at least be browsing porn and pornographic chat rooms. I believe that he has been around the net in a sexual manner but whether or not he posted or chatted, I don't know. What are some of the more popular message boards for people his age and/or with his interests? As far as dating sites, I'm sure we can't get any information on him aside from stumbling onto his photo (if he posted one), based on our search parameters.
No, I must've missed that one. That sounds very strange!!!

[golfmom]

Who's the guy in California who will paint any car for $99.95 ...
LOL :crazy:

[SouthEastSleuth]

I know he had a communication devices like that for the motorcycle helmets too.
Yes. I noticed something called ChatterBox on the pocketpcguy.com page, where he was listing the accessories he was selling with his Ducati. Being the ridiculously anal person that I am, I looked it up.

A communication device you can put in the helmet, so as to communicate with other riders.

Once again, the guy is a TECHNOFILE and loves to keep in touch, wherever he is it seems!

[Timex]

Did you see where he dropped $2K on accessories for the jeep and they told him to dump the vx and invest more in the jeep? Jeeps hold their resale fairly well versus the vx's which went for around $30K new to practically worthless overnight. He made the choice to keep dumping money into the vx. I agree with you I don't think it got as high as $8K, but probably was between $4-6K for that job.


I saw it, but not sure what it means other than he has his favorite. Im not sure how this shows he killed Janet though. Immature? yes. Stupid? yep. But how does it show him to be a killer?

I compare it to upgrading a computer when one could easily buy a new one for far less money. I pour far more into my system than it would ever be worth, and I most certainly could have purchased 2 completely new systems for what I have spent. Why do I do it? I like my computer, no other reason at all.

[newkid]

but probably was between $4-6K for that job.
Ouch! Still seems like a lot of money to me. I'm not a car person though.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

No, I must've missed that one. That sounds very strange!!!This was originally posted by ewwwinteresting on the thread about Raven's online activity:

NC_VX

04/13/2004, 06:44 PM

Those images and short movie are amazing. Technology facsinates me. I also downloaded the image of the girl with red streaks as my desktop background! Hope the wife doens't get jealous of a computer image!!!


Playboy? Maybe, the short wasn't anything sexy, just realistic... Too cool how the facial features look so natural and the texture of the skin so real...

HOWEVER, I clicked on this thread from the main page and thought is was a 3D rendering of the VX....bummer!

************************************************** *********

ETA: It sounds as if he's playing it down but obviously there must have been a reason for downloading the image of the girl to put on his computer. Apparently it did SOMETHING for him.

[PrayersForMaura]

This was originally posted by ewwwinteresting on the thread about Raven's online activity:

NC_VX

04/13/2004, 06:44 PM

Those images and short movie are amazing. Technology facsinates me. I also downloaded the image of the girl with red streaks as my desktop background! Hope the wife doens't get jealous of a computer image!!!


Playboy? Maybe, the short wasn't anything sexy, just realistic... Too cool how the facial features look so natural and the texture of the skin so real...

HOWEVER, I clicked on this thread from the main page and thought is was a 3D rendering of the VX....bummer!
:eek:
VERY weird

[golfmom]

Stupid? yep. But how does it show him to be a killer?


No, for me it goes back to the financial insanity that was going on there and the embezzlement. How or if it'll tie in to the murder remains to be seen.

Even under the most normal of circumstances a new baby adds a whole new dimension of financial and marital pressure on a couple. Add in financial insanity and felony embezzlement charges and there could have been a very volatile situation that was brewing in that house.

[Timex]

No, for me it goes back to the financial insanity that was going on there and the embezzlement. How or if it'll tie in to the murder remains to be seen.

Even under the most normal of circumstances a new baby adds a whole new dimension of financial and marital pressure on a couple. Add in financial insanity and felony embezzlement charges and there could have been a very volatile situation that was brewing in that house.

Yes, I can agree with that...but I can't assume it at this point, as we have just seen or heard nothing that would validate it. Had Janet mentioned anything to co-workers, family, friends etc about fighting, argueing etc? Was the reconsiliation working? Or was she ready to walk out?

[lauriej]

...raven's post showing off the new paint job, and what it cost him....::

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no, just a chunk of changed. He said he would have done it for $3500 normally, and dind't realize how hard it was to do everything, but sicne he said $1800, I gave him $2k and we called it a day!!!


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THE RENEWED 1999 BLACK IRONMAN... My Baby!
Long awaited release of my new look! I get even more looks now, and I've only been sporting the new look for 24 hours. I stopped by an Isuzu dealership and they were paging everyone to come out and take a look (however, I am not a big fan of their mechanics, go figure) and I've had approval by a few girls who weren't sure if they liked it or not. I've still got some mechancil issues and some more buffing to do, but I think it will all be worth it.

The big Question is, do I want to take it wheelin' now? Sure I do, but I'm gonna have to be very careful!!! Check out the StinkFab bent links I've got tucked under the rear wheels... The clearance looks awesome now!!!!

Let me know what you think!

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/s...&papass=&sort=1 (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3568&size=big&papass=&sort=1)

[PrayersForMaura]

...raven's post showing off the new paint job, and what it cost him....::

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no, just a chunk of changed. He said he would have done it for $3500 normally, and dind't realize how hard it was to do everything, but sicne he said $1800, I gave him $2k and we called it a day!!!


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THE RENEWED 1999 BLACK IRONMAN... My Baby!
Long awaited release of my new look! I get even more looks now, and I've only been sporting the new look for 24 hours. I stopped by an Isuzu dealership and they were paging everyone to come out and take a look (however, I am not a big fan of their mechanics, go figure) and I've had approval by a few girls who weren't sure if they liked it or not. I've still got some mechancil issues and some more buffing to do, but I think it will all be worth it.

The big Question is, do I want to take it wheelin' now? Sure I do, but I'm gonna have to be very careful!!! Check out the StinkFab bent links I've got tucked under the rear wheels... The clearance looks awesome now!!!!

Let me know what you think!

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Gosh, he's so into himself it is disgusting...
This part makes me want to :sick:
"I get even more looks now, and I've only been sporting the new look for 24 hours. I stopped by an Isuzu dealership and they were paging everyone to come out and take a look (however, I am not a big fan of their mechanics, go figure) and I've had approval by a few girls who weren't sure if they liked it or not. "

[golfmom]

I just don't know whether to believe it or not.

[golfmom]

Yes, I can agree with that...but I can't assume it at this point, as we have just seen or heard nothing that would validate it. Had Janet mentioned anything to co-workers, family, friends etc about fighting, argueing etc? Was the reconsiliation working? Or was she ready to walk out?

Apparently someone knew something because the initial reports had co-workers who were worried because Janet hadn't replied to their emails at the scene.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...and I've had approval by a few girls who weren't sure if they liked it or not.What could this possibly mean? How can you have approval by someone that isn't sure if they like it or not? Liking it is approval; not liking it obviously isn't. Is there more to this; is this some sort of implication? Maybe I'm reading too much into it but this wording doesn't make sense.

ETA: I guess the big question is what type of approval is he talking about?

E(again)TA: Or were they giving him their approval on something else altogether?

[Timex]

Apparently someone knew something because the initial reports had co-workers who were worried because Janet hadn't replied to their emails at the scene.

So did those co-workers assume Raven had done something to her?
Was that thier first thought when she didnt answer their emails?

[Timex]

"One of Abaroa's co-workers e-mailed her, and when she failed to respond, she and other co-workers went to check on her."


Now see, I find that strange. A woman has an infant at home, yet someone gets alarmed because she doesnt respond to an email in a timely manner? Why would they assume something bad had happened? She could have been doing any number of things that would have kept her from responding to an email.

[golfmom]

"One of Abaroa's co-workers e-mailed her, and when she failed to respond, she and other co-workers went to check on her."


Now see, I find that strange. A woman has an infant at home, yet someone gets alarmed because she doesnt respond to an email in a timely manner? Why would they assume something bad had happened? She could have been doing any number of things that would have kept her from responding to an email.

uh huh ... that certainly is very odd. We thought perhaps she was text messaging at the time and the reporter got confused.

[Timex]

But the same report said raven was no where to be found...yet I have read he was indeed there...so what is or is not accuarate.

[golfmom]

But the same report said raven was no where to be found...yet I have read he was indeed there...so what is or is not accuarate.

Maybe he was there and the reporters didn't see him and when they asked LE they got the ... uhhhh we're not releasing any information at this time song and dance .... and they ran with what they were able to get from the co-worker.

[PrayersForMaura]

But the same report said raven was no where to be found...yet I have read he was indeed there...so what is or is not accuarate.
Can any of us email the reporters and ask for clarification and accuracy?
They should report facts!! And correct their errors if there are any!!!

[golfmom]

Can any of us email the reporters and ask for clarification and accuracy?
They should report facts!! And correct their errors if there are any!!!

We never saw a retraction, but if you think about my theory ... both stories of Raven being there and the co-worker being there work.

The co-worker was probably frantically worried about her friend. Police were around and reporters. Reporters started asking her about her friend ... where was her husband? I don't know? I don't see him? He's no where to be found! But, he could have been inside the house talking to police and the reporters in a rush to get the story of Janet out, ran with what information they got from her friend.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Was the media there? If it is true, as someone stated, that murder is not rare in Durham, how are we sure that media was even at the scene?

[SouthEastSleuth]

We never saw a retraction, but if you think about my theory ... both stories of Raven being there and the co-worker being there work.

The co-worker was probably frantically worried about her friend. Police were around and reporters. Reporters started asking her about her friend ... where was her husband? I don't know? I don't see him? He's no where to be found! But, he could have been inside the house talking to police and the reporters in a rush to get the story of Janet out, ran with what information they got from her friend.
Very true. However, it's still sloppy journalism. At best the reporter should have SITED the friend, "according to a friend of the victim, blah blah blah." Should NOT be reported as fact, unless, it has indeed been verified, as a fact, by LE.

My opinion anyway...

[golfmom]

The media was there.

[golfmom]

Very true. However, it's still sloppy journalism. At best the reporter should have SITED the friend, "according to a friend of the victim, blah blah blah." Should NOT be reported as fact, unless, it has indeed been verified, as a fact, by LE.

My opinion anyway...

Well we just saw the media not siting misterallgood's blog info. So, I'm not really impressed with the media out there right now. Besides I also think that they should be putting pressure on LE to get this thing solved.

[Timex]

Actually the article states that as of Wed night, police had no idea where Raven was.

[golfmom]

Actually the article states that as of Wed night, police had no idea where Raven was.

I still think it was just a stupid reporter.
Reporter to police: Where is the woman's husband.
police to reporter: IDK ... get out of my face.

So the reporter hung around and asked the co-worker a few questions and called the story in.

[Timex]

I still think it was just a stupid reporter.
Reporter to police: Where is the woman's husband.
police to reporter: IDK ... get out of my face.

So the reporter hung around and asked the co-worker a few questions and called the story in.


So how are you deciding what reporter to believe then? I mean if thats the case, how do we believe the bit about the co-workers being there etc? None of the articles I read had an interview with anyone other than neighbors.

[SouthEastSleuth]

So how are you deciding what reporter to believe then? I mean if thats the case, how do we believe the bit about the co-workers being there etc? None of the articles I read had an interview with anyone other than neighbors.
Quite frankly, IMO, I don't believe ANY speculation or unconfirmed writing/reporting by ANY of the local media - UNLESS they directly quote LE or some other source. Their job is to report FACTS, not to speculate. Period.

[ewwwinteresting]

So how are you deciding what reporter to believe then? I mean if thats the case, how do we believe the bit about the co-workers being there etc? None of the articles I read had an interview with anyone other than neighbors.
My :twocents: . That maybe this particular reporter was there early the next morning or later that day. Raven had already left the house by then (either at the police station for more questioning or released), the co-worker(s) were there and this reporter stated the facts that we was told at that time. Raven no where to be found and that the co-worker(s) were concerned???

[golfmom]

So how are you deciding what reporter to believe then? I mean if thats the case, how do we believe the bit about the co-workers being there etc? None of the articles I read had an interview with anyone other than neighbors.

It's only a theory. But it's mine.

[newkid]

We never saw a retraction, but if you think about my theory ... both stories of Raven being there and the co-worker being there work.

The co-worker was probably frantically worried about her friend. Police were around and reporters. Reporters started asking her about her friend ... where was her husband? I don't know? I don't see him? He's no where to be found! But, he could have been inside the house talking to police and the reporters in a rush to get the story of Janet out, ran with what information they got from her friend.
Sounds plausible to me. Bad job on the reporters part, but it makes sense.

[golfmom]

Sounds plausible to me. Bad job on the reporters part, but it makes sense.

I just have put my theory as UNCONFIRMED. But, it makes sense to me.

[munch]

Raven was with the police that night after the murder, there were no questions about his whereabouts.

On a different note, Raven had 4 cars/motorcycles at the time he was fired from Eurosport: An Acura 3.0 CL, a Dodge Durango, a VX (just 1 and it was originally white) and his motorcycle. The jeep he apparently owned, he gave to a friend.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Raven was with the police that night after the murder, there were no questions about his whereabouts.

On a different note, Raven had 4 cars/motorcycles at the time he was fired from Eurosport: An Acura 3.0 CL, a Dodge Durango, a VX (just 1 and it was originally white) and his motorcycle. The jeep he apparently owned, he gave to a friend.
Hi Munch! Thanks for the clarification... I've been wondering what happened with all the various vehicles actually...

As far as the Ducati, do you know by chance if it was ever sold??

[golfmom]

Raven was with the police that night after the murder, there were no questions about his whereabouts.

On a different note, Raven had 4 cars/motorcycles at the time he was fired from Eurosport: An Acura 3.0 CL, a Dodge Durango, a VX (just 1 and it was originally white) and his motorcycle. The jeep he apparently owned, he gave to a friend.

F O U R ! ! ! Wow! Thank you so much for helping us with that Munch!

eta: I just noticed that he GAVE the jeep to a friend. Didn't we just find a post today that he said he had added $2,000 in stuff to the jeep?

Found my answer
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...C_VX+jeep&hl=en

NC_VX04/22/2004, 08:48 AM
.................
I wanted to say afew things about the quote that 4wheelparts is the best 4 wheel place. I know that there is one in Charlotte, NC and this is what I have to say.... I spent $2k on parts for my jeep, from springs, to seats, liner, push bars, pitman arms, steering columns, etc... All the accessories get in and I take the jeep in to have it all installed (because I don't have a garage to do it myself)

[golfmom]

That's a whole lot of transportation for two people. I don't think the motorcycle did sell. I wonder they tried to sell any of the other vehicles?

[munch]

They bought the Durango right before they took their trip out west, so that was in late November or early December. Since the VX wasn't exactly a family car used for long distances and the Acura was a 2-door, they didn't have a "family" car I guess. The Acura was semi-new, I don't remember exactly when they purchased it, nor do I know if Janet had a car before that, but I am pretty sure it was within the last year or so.

[golfmom]

Munch, do you know if anyone else was at the house that night? I'm referring to the story of a co-worker being there ... as that whole situation is pretty fuzzy.

[Jesstexas]

Raven was with the police that night after the murder, there were no questions about his whereabouts.

On a different note, Raven had 4 cars/motorcycles at the time he was fired from Eurosport: An Acura 3.0 CL, a Dodge Durango, a VX (just 1 and it was originally white) and his motorcycle. The jeep he apparently owned, he gave to a friend.
The police asked him NO questions about where he was that night? None?

And you wouldn't happen to know if that "friend" he gave a CAR to was a male friend or a female friend, would you?

[golfmom]

The police asked him NO questions about where he was that night? None?

And you wouldn't happen to know if that "friend" he gave a CAR to was a male friend or a female friend, would you?

Pick me ! Pick me ! I know the answer to part of your question.

The answer is Darius. In the photos there were lots of pictures of Darius and the Jeep. I thought it was his, but then Raven was posting that it was his ... so I was very confused. I eventually figured out that Raven must have SOLD his jeep to Darius. I never figure that he GAVE it to him!

[munch]

Sorry, my sentence wasn't worded very well...I meant that it was confirmed that Raven was with the police the night of Janet's murder. It was being talked about that the police didn't know where he was and that is an incorrect statement.

I am pretty sure the car was given to a guy, who was supposed to pay him for it, but never did...sounded shady to me at the time, still does...All I know is that I never saw his Jeep and that Raven never seemed too upset that he didnt have the Jeep or that his buddy hadn't paid him for it. I guess it's possible that whoever he gave the jeep to eventually paid him...

Golfmom, I have heard the same rumors you have, that one of her coworkers, old or new, were at the house. I know that the next morning old coworkers went to the scene, but that's all I know.

[golfmom]

Golfmom, I have heard the same rumors you have, that one of her coworkers, old or new, were at the house. I know that the next morning old coworkers went to the scene, but that's all I know.

Sigh ... so close yet so far ... Thanks for letting us know though!

[Jesstexas]

Thanks munch and golfmom - cleared that one right up!

[ewwwinteresting]

Although I never saw the car parked there, i was told that he was trying to sell the VX on Hillsborough Road, which is a street, in Durham, with alot of fast food restaurants and gas stations (high traffic area).
Wouldn't the "highend, custom painted, tricked out, top of the line VX" be subject to break in or be stolen if he just left it out? Maybe he brought it home each night? Munch: Do you know if Raven had all of his vehicles (3 cars and a motorcycle) on April 26 or had it sold any between losing his job and Janet's murder?

[curious1]

Wouldn't the "highend, custom painted, tricked out, top of the line VX" be subject to break in or be stolen if he just left it out? Maybe he brought it home each night? Munch: Do you know if Raven had all of his vehicles (3 cars and a motorcycle) on April 26 or had it sold any between losing his job and Janet's murder?
I would not leave a vehicle out overnight in the area or anywhere in Durham for that matter. You would be lucky to come back and find it still there. And even if the vehicle was still there, it would probably be on blocks and stripped. :D

[lauriej]

.....adding to the 'he wants to fit in'........'is better than the rest ' theory, re: his VX....

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Nice, I will be ordering a set in red, that is very clean looking.

What are sliders? Since I don't know what they are, I dont have them. but maybe I will want them.





..he doesn't know WHAT they are.........but everyone else has them.....yep, he wants "them" too.....

...and someone asked..........( jersey i think...) have we seen all of the VX posts? he has 200 posts.............nope, we haven't seen them all.....

[lauriej]

re: the Black Rock Mountain Meet ( vehi-cross forum )

....something for the timeline....march 12,2004.....

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I'm for sure in. I am headed to Indiana for a VX meet around the 24th of april (I think) so before or after better!!!!

I am excited, another VX meet close to home!!!
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[lauriej]

..........and he has "a guest" joining him on the Black Rock Meet.....

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John,

thanks for the details. Right now it is just me and my dog coming on the trip. However, I have had a few friends express an interest, and may have one guest. For now, count me in for one VX and one tent.

I am considering coming up early too, but I am just thinking coming Thursday evening through Sunday... If I can be of assistance, let me know!

Raven

[lauriej]

..he had a 'guest' joining him ( possibly ) march 2004....

...and now 'going out of town for the weekend' april 2004...

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Wow, this is like goign to automotive school! I had to put aside the project until Tuesday due to going out of town this weekend. The guys are going to help me figure it out, but this direction also helps me appreicate the work they will put into fixing the problem! If I find a wire that has been damaged or exposed, can't I just wrap electrical tape around it and call it a day?
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[lauriej]

..my last post substantiating that 'he wanted it all" re: his VX...

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Hood Insert Spoken For
I've got dibs on this insert that 01VX posted I hope. He sent an email and I am looking to pay ASAP.

By the way, insured shipping in case damaged right>
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.....even though his fellow VX'ers also wanted the item :

quote:
Man, that does look nice!

C'mon John, get that thing to me NOW! I can't wait anymore! I must have it now! I am itchy, greedy, and impatient!

....raven was a member of that site since june 2003, the above ( quoted poster) joined in 2002.............it never does say who got the part they were vying for...

...however.............in reading many of raven's posts there, it's mainly 'guy talk.....performance, parts etc.."raven DOES seem to like to one-up everyone once a part is spoken of...........what is that? where can i get it ?
..and he DOES mention his "wife" a few times.......................as opposed to the times he says 'guest'.....( making me believe that the 'guest' is not janet....)

.............p.s.......i signed up on the site a few days ago to be able to access info...........and since then have rec'd 7 pm's asking for info/wanting to buy my SUV...........( you need to input a VIN# to join............how bad do i feel that i used a VIN# off of an ebay listing ( the last 4 digits actually )in my information...........)

[lauriej]

....................sad to me that his profile info on vehi-cross links straight back to eurosport.....( www.soccer.com (http://www.soccer.com)) on his bio...

Biography:
Native Californian with an aching for Mnt Biking, Trials, Volleyball, and Soccer. Taking My VX to the mnts to camp and do everythign else is the best!!! Occupation:
Manage a Team of the Largest Soccer Company in the US.... www.soccer.com (http://www.soccer.com)


.......the sad part...........$9000 worth of stealing from the company ended both of their jobs........dream jobs most likely, working in a soccer related field.....

...and now janet is dead..........although there is nothing confirmed to tie her death to the embezzling....or raven.....LE's only statements say it's "not random".....

...i was thinking...( speculating....surmising.....whatever it is i'm supposed to say here that means not fact....) didn't somone on an earlier post say that embezzling was a federal crime ? ( i don't recall the post, but i think the FBI was mentioned...)if so, could it be that that the NC FBI is waiting in the wings to see what happens on friday with the embezzling charge? and if the federal LE doesn't get him then, perhaps the local durham police will then have the ability to finally arrest him ?
...although, even reading that back, i can't see how embezzling...would come before murder....

...if he IS a POI........surely the durham LE has their eyes on him............he would be a flight risk.....(?)

[cappuccina]

...wouldn't it be great if they arrested him for the murder as he was leaving the courthouse for the embezzlement charges...

[newkid]

...wouldn't it be great if they arrested him for the murder as he was leaving the courthouse for the embezzlement charges...
Heck, I'd be happy if they arrested anyone at this point, simply because that would give us a little more info. :banghead:

[PrayersForMaura]

....................sad to me that his profile info on vehi-cross links straight back to eurosport.....( www.soccer.com (http://www.soccer.com/)) on his bio...

Biography:
Native Californian with an aching for Mnt Biking, Trials, Volleyball, and Soccer. Taking My VX to the mnts to camp and do everythign else is the best!!!



Haa, interesting that he wrote "trials" .... I'm sure he meant trails, but it's kind of ironic.

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: Haa, interesting that he wrote "trials" .... I'm sure he meant trails, but it's kind of ironic.
Ooooopppps!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Lauriej, your posts made me wonder about something. Is it possible that Raven was dating during the separation, and met someone (his guest) that he really liked, and got back together with Janet out of a sense of obligation? Is it possible that he didn't break off that relationship right away (or yet even) after moving back in with Janet?

Also, does anyone know if he ever actually attended any of these VX events? It seems that I've seen a lot of posts saying "Oh yeah, count me in for sure!!!", only to be followed by something like "Looks like you guys are on your own. Wife won't let me come", and other such reasons. Is he just a talker on this board or has he actually shown up to participate in person?

[golfmom]

Also, does anyone know if he ever actually attended any of these VX events? It seems that I've seen a lot of posts saying "Oh yeah, count me in for sure!!!", only to be followed by something like "Looks like you guys are on your own. Wife won't let me come", and other such reasons. Is he just a talker on this board or has he actually shown up to participate in person?

That brings me to a point I've pondered about . . . Don't you think that someone would have mentioned something about Janet's murder on the VX boards? Something along the lines of "our dear friend NC_VX wife has been murdered our prayers are with him at this difficult time." These people got together regularly, it sounds like some of them might have even known Janet.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

.............p.s.......i signed up on the site a few days ago to be able to access info...........and since then have rec'd 7 pm's asking for info/wanting to buy my SUV...........( you need to input a VIN# to join............how bad do i feel that i used a VIN# off of an ebay listing ( the last 4 digits actually )in my information...........)LOL ... oh no! Tell them that they're going to have to go to e-bay if they want to buy it!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

That brings me to a point I've pondered about . . . Don't you think that someone would have mentioned something about Janet's murder on the VX boards? Something along the lines of "our dear friend NC_VX wife has been murdered our prayers are with him at this difficult time." These people got together regularly, it sounds like some of them might have even known Janet.But what are the chances that they even know about it?

[Jesstexas]

That brings me to a point I've pondered about . . . Don't you think that someone would have mentioned something about Janet's murder on the VX boards? Something along the lines of "our dear friend NC_VX wife has been murdered our prayers are with him at this difficult time." These people got together regularly, it sounds like some of them might have even known Janet.
I thought that at first too, golfmom. But after thinking about it for awhile, I concluded that since he was VERY good friends with at least one of those VX posters (Darius, right?), I would expect that Raven would call him up to tell him - and Darius might have then called those folks on the board who were good friends of Raven's. Maybe Raven expressed his wish that the information be kept off the board?

[Timex]

I dunno, but I somehow think if they were discussing the muder on the VX boards that would be morbid and a sign of guilt. It just isnt something I would expect to see mentioned on that type of message board.

[golfmom]

I dunno, but I somehow think if they were discussing the muder on the VX boards that would be morbid and a sign of guilt. It just isnt something I would expect to see mentioned on that type of message board.

Here's an example, say I was very active on a genealogy message board. We even got together regionally at libararies to do research together. Then my husband is brutally murdered. Don't you think that there would be a message posted? I would find it odd, if there wasn't.

[newkid]

Here's an example, say I was very active on a genealogy message board. We even got together regionally at libararies to do research together. Then my husband is brutally murdered. Don't you think that there would be a message posted? I would find it odd, if there wasn't.
I would say yes, but maybe men react differently. :confused:

[golfmom]

I would say yes, but maybe men react differently. :confused:

LOL ... that could actually explain their silence.

[Timex]

I would say no. Trust me, there are things I dont post on these boards, not even in the private forums, even though I have been here for years. A few here know the details, but I wouldnt share them publically where just anyone could read them. Even though my friends here know what's going on, they wouldnt post about it on the boards.

[newkid]

I would say no. Trust me, there are things I dont post on these boards, not even in the private forums, even though I have been here for years. A few here know the details, but I wouldnt share them publically where just anyone could read them. Even though my friends here know what's going on, they wouldnt post about it on the boards.That's true, the members of Raven's vehicross board may very well know about Janet's murder and are just not posting about it. They may have an email list or are communicating about the murder through pm's. I am on another board where everyone does know what's going on, but we often send messages through the email list to keep some things a little more private.

[lauriej]

Also, does anyone know if he ever actually attended any of these VX events? It seems that I've seen a lot of posts saying "Oh yeah, count me in for sure!!!", only to be followed by something like "Looks like you guys are on your own. Wife won't let me come", and other such reasons. Is he just a talker on this board or has he actually shown up to participate in person?

01/23/2005, 05:19 AM

NC VX sorry to hear that. Your VX is awesome, I was fortunate to see it at one of the MD meets.

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NC_VX
01/25/2005, 05:37 PM

I appreciate the props . That was my one and only event so far and I loved it... I won't be off the VX train for long if I do sell. Right now I continue to job hunt hard and hope to make it through this!

[Timex]

Ive probably missed it somewhere, but does anyone know what color the Ducati is?

[SouthEastSleuth]

Ive probably missed it somewhere, but does anyone know what color the Ducati is?
Raven's description: cherry red

[lauriej]

red...........

NC_VX
09/05/2003, 10:56 PM

2003 Specialized P.3
2003 Specialized Rockhopper (Wife)
2001 K2 Snowboards
2002 Ducati 748 Red
Piece of **** 92 Jeep Wrangler w/ 35's and Red... Hate it
Bauer Street Rollerblades

Dart Board

..........( odd that under the thread "what else do you own ?"..he lists a dart board ? )

[golfmom]

Ive probably missed it somewhere, but does anyone know what color the Ducati is?

www.pocketpcguy.com
to see pictures of it

[Timex]

www.pocketpcguy.com
to see pictures of it

hmmm I get a blank page at that link

[golfmom]

hmmm I get a blank page at that link

I forgot it expired. sorry!

[lauriej]

That's true, the members of Raven's vehicross board may very well know about Janet's murder and are just not posting about it. They may have an email list or are communicating about the murder through pm's. I am on another board where everyone does know what's going on, but we often send messages through the email list to keep some things a little more private.
.....there is a 'chit-chat' area on the vehi-cross forum........lots of birthday wishes........and yes, notice of a member who passed away...along with funeral info etc...( nothing re: janet..)

[Timex]

.....there is a 'chit-chat' area on the vehi-cross forum........lots of birthday wishes........and yes, notice of a member who passed away...along with funeral info etc...( nothing re: janet..)

Yep, and there are tons of death announcements, prayer requests etc here at Websleuths...doesnt mean we would all chose to post about such things. Does my not posting about my personal things mean Im guilty of something? Or does it simply mean there are somethings I dont want to share, even after being here for years? Not posting it on the forums doesnt mean it isnt being discussed.

[lauriej]

...i was only mentioning that the VX'ers don't just talk guy talk ALL of the time over there..........not that i was expecting to see anything listed about janet....

..in fact i would think that his 'good 'friends over there heard the news through normal private channels...phone call etc ...

...personally i wouldn't post a death notice on a public message board either...

[Timex]

I agree, and although most of us enjoy disecting these case, I know personally I would be sooo upset if it were my family being disected in such a manner. If there was ever a reason for my family to be in the news, I would remove every website I owned and try to get rid of as many posts on other boards that I could, just so folks couldnt try to analyze every tidbit of my life, but thats just me.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

01/23/2005, 05:19 AM

NC VX sorry to hear that. Your VX is awesome, I was fortunate to see it at one of the MD meets.

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NC_VX
01/25/2005, 05:37 PM

I appreciate the props . That was my one and only event so far and I loved it... I won't be off the VX train for long if I do sell. Right now I continue to job hunt hard and hope to make it through this!Great post ... thanks for finding that! So as of January this year, he had only attended one. And it sounds like he's very concerned about the possibility of losing the VX. Not only would he lose the vehicle but also the relationships, the events, the status, etc. If he was as tied up in that board as it seems, he might have perceived the potential loss of the VX as more of a loss of lifestyle or as no longer being a part of this "team".

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

..........( odd that under the thread "what else do you own ?"..he lists a dart board ? )And roller blades and snowboards. :waitasec: I would think that they were interested more in vehicles.

[Timex]

And roller blades and snowboards. :waitasec: I would think that they were interested more in vehicles.


Extreem sports

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Yep, and there are tons of death announcements, prayer requests etc here at Websleuths...doesnt mean we would all chose to post about such things. Does my not posting about my personal things mean Im guilty of something? Or does it simply mean there are somethings I dont want to share, even after being here for years? Not posting it on the forums doesnt mean it isnt being discussed.I agree. And posting a natural death and funeral is a bit different than posting about the murder of a member's wife, IMO. I still wonder though if they even know about it. If they only know Raven through that board, he might not have been back on there since the murder. I'm sure that they wouldn't have seen it on the news unless they happened to catch the couple minute segment on Greta the one time it was aired nationally.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Extreem sportsI haven't been to the site. Were they asking about extreme sports gear?

[Timex]

I agree. And posting a natural death and funeral is a bit different than posting about the murder of a member's wife, IMO. I still wonder though if they even know about it. If they only know Raven through that board, he might not have been back on there since the murder. I'm sure that they wouldn't have seen it on the news unless they happened to catch the couple minute segment on Greta the one time it was aired nationally.


True, and would they even pay much attention to him not being there? People come and people go online. Happens here on WS all the time. Someone will be posting for months, then just walk away. Most times we dont even notice...or if we do, we just assume they have other things to do.
In Ravens case, if he stopped posting on the VX board, and I was a member there, my assumption would be he lost his VX.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

True, and would they even pay much attention to him not being there? People come and people go online. Happens here on WS all the time. Someone will be posting for months, then just walk away. Most times we dont even notice...or if we do, we just assume they have other things to do.Exactly. On sites like these, we're usually not as unforgettable as we like to think we are. :)

[Timex]

Right, and I dont even see Raven as a serious poster. All things considered, he really didnt post that much.

[lauriej]

And roller blades and snowboards. :waitasec: I would think that they were interested more in vehicles.
..right......i just skimmed the thread, and most DO just list their vehicles..bikes etc...
...i did see one guy list his Beer Fridge!, so maybe raven added the dart board kind of in a joking manner too......

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...i did see one guy list his Beer Fridge!, so maybe raven added the dart board kind of in a joking manner too......:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I can see that. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[golfmom]

Posted in June 2004
http://web.archive.org/web/20040612051913/pocketpcguy.com/Darius.htm

On the website where he's sharing his pictures with Darius, Raven identifies the Jeep as Darius's . ...

"Darius Messes Up His Jeep!!!"

VX Board pictures of Raven's jeep which he says Darius is just driving!

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2984&cat=500&page=1

My buddy and I like to go cruisin the cat trails when we can... He is driving my jeep, but the VX, oh, that is such a sweet ride! He is always impressed with the ability of the VX.... SO am I

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2985&cat=500&page=1

I was terrified to let Darius pull the jeep up there, I didn't want him to rev the engine and he couldn't get it up the last quarter of an inch to rest on the top so I hooked up the tow rope and pulled on it while he gave it a little gas and we were there!!! Kinda tight, but fun!!!

[ewwwinteresting]

Posted in June 2004
http://web.archive.org/web/20040612051913/pocketpcguy.com/Darius.htm

On the website where he's sharing his pictures with Darius, Raven identifies the Jeep as Darius's . ...

"Darius Messes Up His Jeep!!!"

VX Board pictures of Raven's jeep which he says Darius is just driving!

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2984&cat=500&page=1

My buddy and I like to go cruisin the cat trails when we can... He is driving my jeep, but the VX, oh, that is such a sweet ride! He is always impressed with the ability of the VX.... SO am I

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2985&cat=500&page=1

I was terrified to let Darius pull the jeep up there, I didn't want him to rev the engine and he couldn't get it up the last quarter of an inch to rest on the top so I hooked up the tow rope and pulled on it while he gave it a little gas and we were there!!! Kinda tight, but fun!!!

Ohhhh, I hope IF Raven was at a soccer game that night, and Darius was his alibi, LE didn't accept him as his only alibi!

[golfmom]

I heard a couple of times now that there was a 2000 Honda SE mini-coop that can be added to the big boy toys list, but that it mysteriously burned to the ground at 4:00 a.m. in Smithfield VA when Raven was living there and Janet was going to school.

Another one of those things that make you go hmmmmmm . . . . . .

[ewwwinteresting]

I heard a couple of times now that there was a 2000 Honda SE mini-coop that can be added to the big boy toys list, but that it mysteriously burned to the ground at 4:00 a.m. in Smithfield VA when Raven was living there and Janet was going to school.

Another one of those things that make you go hmmmmmm . . . . . .
What?? It actually made me go more than hmmmmmmm!! GM, did you hear that it was a Honda SE or a Mini Cooper? I couldn't find a Honda mini coop when I searched to see what it looked like.

[golfmom]

What?? It actually made me go more than hmmmmmmm!! GM, did you hear that it was a Honda SE or a Mini Cooper? I couldn't find a Honda mini coop when I searched to see what it looked like.

I searched my self silly on that one too ... it was described as one of those little mini-coops to me. I guess I'll have to get better clarification. I'm car illiterate is my only excuse.

[ewwwinteresting]

I searched my self silly on that one too ... it was described as one of those little mini-coops to me. I guess I'll have to get better clarification. I'm car illiterate is my only excuse.
I'm guessing it is the mini coop......more flashy......more his style

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2005/MINI/100277803/029358-T.jpg (http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=efind&errorFlag=0&clickedItemRank=0&userQuery=mini%20cooper&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2f%2faolsvc.edmunds.com%2fn ew%2f2005%2fmini%2fcooper%2findex.html%3Ftid%3Dasv .n.mmindex.popular..1.mini&area=auz0083au2) Of course, they have the non convertible style also. You know, there is a mini coop forum (like the VX)....wonder if he joined and talked about that also? Do we know when he had it (what years)? Was there an insurance investigation into the "fire"?

[golfmom]

I'm guessing it is the mini coop......more flashy......more his style

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2005/MINI/100277803/029358-T.jpg (http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=efind&errorFlag=0&clickedItemRank=0&userQuery=mini%20cooper&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2f%2faolsvc.edmunds.com%2fn ew%2f2005%2fmini%2fcooper%2findex.html%3Ftid%3Dasv .n.mmindex.popular..1.mini&area=auz0083au2) Of course, they have the non convertible style also. You know, there is a mini coop forum (like the VX)....wonder if he joined and talked about that also? Do we know when he had it (what years)? Was there an insurance investigation into the "fire"?

Well that is exactly what was described to me. My understanding was that there was no investigation.

[ewwwinteresting]

Well that is exactly what was described to me. My understanding was that there was no investigation.
Until now :) There would have had to be some PD Report, wouldn't there? I mean the fire department would have had to respond to an auto fire!

[Moxie]

Until now :) There would have had to be some PD Report, wouldn't there? I mean the fire department would have had to respond to an auto fire!
Unless the fire department was never called....hmmm...

[Moxie]

I'm guessing it is the mini coop......more flashy......more his style

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2005/MINI/100277803/029358-T.jpg (http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=efind&errorFlag=0&clickedItemRank=0&userQuery=mini%20cooper&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2f%2faolsvc.edmunds.com%2fn ew%2f2005%2fmini%2fcooper%2findex.html%3Ftid%3Dasv .n.mmindex.popular..1.mini&area=auz0083au2) Of course, they have the non convertible style also. You know, there is a mini coop forum (like the VX)....wonder if he joined and talked about that also? Do we know when he had it (what years)? Was there an insurance investigation into the "fire"?
Just checked and the mini cooper is a newer car - betcha it was a honda convertible - honda made the DelSol and makes the SC2000...

[golfmom]

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=S2000&bhcp=1

I wonder if this was it, starting price is $33K. Sounds like a financial insanity purchase . . . :bang:

[golfmom]

Here's a better image

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/04.cars.best.residual/04.honda.s2000.500.jpg

[Moxie]

Here's a better image

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/04.cars.best.residual/04.honda.s2000.500.jpg
That's it... Sweet car... How did he have the money to afford all these "toys"????

[golfmom]

That's it... Sweet car... How did he have the money to afford all these "toys"????

Yeah, Moxie -- I'm just not sure how he kept getting credit extended to him when he was obviously overburdened financially. Maybe he had someone co-signing for him . . .

[SouthEastSleuth]

Just an interesting update -



You'll recall that in the Durham County Property Tax records for Raven, there were two vehicles listed, one with a tax value of $2530, and one with a tax value of $8670. The tax bills on both vehicles have been in arrears for months (the taxes on the vehicle in Janet's name, presumably the Acrua, were paid in full when due).

I'm reasonably certain that the vehicle with the tax value of $8670 is the VX (based on Kelly Blue Book). The smaller tax valued vehicle is probably the Durango.

The Durango we are told is still with Durham Police (even though released, it's never been claimed). And presumably Raven is still driving the VX, or at least we have reports that he was driving it at the funeral.

Interestingly enough, just this week, on July 18th, a tax payment was posted on the property tax account for $131.62, the amount past due on the vehicle valued at $8670. Interesting, in that Raven is due back in NC this week for the embezzlement hearing. Seems almost like the tax was quickly paid prior to that vehicle presumably being driven into the area for the hearing - perhaps making sure there would be nothing to keep him from then leaving with the VX again? Or to make sure the vehicle could be registered in another state at some point in time? (Unpaid property taxes in NC can result in liens on the property, and also inhibit the owner from re-registering the vehicle elsewhere in another state.)

Note: The property taxes due on the other vehicle (the one valued at $2530) remain in arrears.

[Moxie]

Just an interesting update -



You'll recall that in the Durham County Property Tax records for Raven, there were two vehicles listed, one with a tax value of $2530, and one with a tax value of $8670. The tax bills on both vehicles have been in arrears for months (the taxes on the vehicle in Janet's name, presumably the Acrua, were paid in full when due).

I'm reasonably certain that the vehicle with the tax value of $8670 is the VX (based on Kelly Blue Book). The smaller tax valued vehicle is probably the Durango.

The Durango we are told is still with Durham Police (even though released, it's never been claimed). And presumably Raven is still driving the VX, or at least we have reports that he was driving it at the funeral.

Interestingly enough, just this week, on July 18th, a tax payment was posted on the property tax account for $131.62, the amount past due on the vehicle valued at $8670. Interesting, in that Raven is due back in NC this week for the embezzlement hearing. Seems almost like the tax was quickly paid prior to that vehicle presumably being driven into the area for the hearing - perhaps making sure there would be nothing to keep him from then leaving with the VX again? Or to make sure the vehicle could be registered in another state at some point in time? (Unpaid property taxes in NC can result in liens on the property, and also inhibit the owner from re-registering the vehicle elsewhere in another state.)

Note: The property taxes due on the other vehicle (the one valued at $2530) remain in arrears.
Hmmm....

It seems the Bird is preparing for re-entry to North Carolina... Wonder if he is ever going to reclaim the Durango...

[Jenifred]

Hmmm.... It seems the Bird is preparing for re-entry to North Carolina... Wonder if he is ever going to reclaim the Durango...
Or is he planning on leaving and needs that hurdle removed? Will he be in NC for the court date Friday?

[ewwwinteresting]

Interestingly enough, just this week, on July 18th, a tax payment was posted on the property tax account for $131.62, the amount past due on the vehicle valued at $8670.
Well thank goodness for the trust fund! Maybe we should print a thank you article in the mormon paper.....thanks to the gracious donors, Raven is now current on his VX property tax!:rolleyes:

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The following has been brought to my attention:

When we originally researched the tax records, Durham County Government : Tax Records Search (http://www.co.durham.nc.us/departments/txad/TaxDB/), there were two listings, one for Janet and one for Raven. Under Janet's, we had what was most likely the Acura, taxes paid. On Raven's, we had two vehicles - one valued around $2,500 and one valued around $8,000, taxes unpaid on both.

Upon searching more recently, not only did we learn that the taxes had finally been paid on Raven's vehicle valued at $8,000, (probably that damned VX), we also found a (new) third listing for taxable property valued at around $10,000. The taxes were unpaid and the item was listed jointly as Raven's and Janet's. We've never seen this item before now, nor have we seen any joint property before now.

I don't know what this new item is, when it was purchased, when it was listed, or why it is listed jointly as Janet's and Raven's. I also don't know if this means anything but found it odd that it never appeared before now.

Since they just bought the Durango prior to their trip out west in December 2004, perhaps the new tax bill, ($10,000-ish), is the Durango? So the $8,000-ish would most likely be the VX but what would the $2,500-ish one be? The Ducati's real value would most likely have been around $5,500, and even when you consider that taxable value is usually below the actual value, would it be that much below?

And is there any significance that upon buying the Durango in December 2004, for the first time Raven registered a vehicle in both of their names?

Well anyway - here it is. Whether or not it means anything, I have no idea.

[newkid]

Wow, good find. I don't know what that could be. I wonder if it could be any other kind of recreational vehicle, like a boat or personal watercraft. Wasn't there some post on the VX boards about installing a trailer hitch?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Wasn't there some post on the VX boards about installing a trailer hitch?That's right - I think there was. In fact, I remember him posting something about buying a part for it in stock for $99. Wonder what he was pulling behind him? I was always under the impression that he was just carting mountain bikes around.

[guera]

Hi, I'm a newbie here but I was driving around Sandy and noticed a black VX on Heather Ridge for sale. It doesn't list a price but it has a phone number. I thought this was interesting, given how much time, money, and energy Raven has put into that vehicle.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Hi, I'm a newbie here but I was driving around Sandy and noticed a black VX on Heather Ridge for sale. It doesn't list a price but it has a phone number. I thought this was interesting, given how much time, money, and energy Raven has put into that vehicle.
Hi guera - Welcome! Sounds like that might very well be Raven's VX... all the facts seem to point in that direction. Perhaps Raven's having to liquidate some "toys" to raise some cash! You're right though, I'm sure it must be painful, and perhaps even desperate, for Raven to part with his pride and joy!

I look forward to your posts!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Welcome to WS, guera, and thank you for posting that information. I remember that Raven was on again/off again about selling the VX. I wonder if he's really going to do it this time. I suppose money's still tight so it would seem like a good idea to sell it for whatever he can get.

I hope you'll continue to post with us. The forum has gone sadly quiet - it'd be great to get some new dialogue going in here.

Thanks again for posting! :)

[golfmom]

Hi guera - Welcome! Sounds like that might very well be Raven's VX... all the facts seem to point in that direction. Perhaps Raven's having to liquidate some "toys" to raise some cash! You're right though, I'm sure it must be painful, and perhaps even desperate, for Raven to part with his pride and joy!

I look forward to your posts!

Well, you know, those pesky insurance agents don't like to pay out policies to someone that may be considered a POI.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

As we discussed long ago, the Ironman is some type of limited edition vehicle that ONLY comes in white. No surprise that Raven had to have the limited edition. It's also not surprising to me that he had to paint it in order to have one of the very few BLACK Ironman VXes around. Me? I'd have been true to the car, and kept it in it's manufactured color. But to Raven, what would make him stand out even more than owning a Limited Edition Ironman? Owning a Black Limited Edition Ironman. One of a kind, dude. :rolleyes: And now he's selling? So sad. :boohoo:

[guera]

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention... it has NC plates. I'm pretty sure it's his.

Another funny thing... it's not listed anywhere online that I can find! Not on vehicross.info, not in any local papers, not on autotrader.com... I thought that was interesting too!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Another funny thing... it's not listed anywhere online that I can find! Not on vehicross.info, not in any local papers, not on autotrader.com... I thought that was interesting too!Geez, maybe he's no more serious about selling it now than he was the last ten times. Maybe he's "getting pressure from friends and family" again so he has to go through the motions of trying to sell it.

[terminatrixator]

Welcome to the madness Guera.

So "The Rave" is attempting to sell his VX? Wonder if Talon had anything to do with it.

It has a phone number listed? LOL, bet Raven's looking for new friends to talk to on his new cell phone, because I have a feeling most of his old friends are starting to turn on the felon/murderer.

The trust money must have run out, wonder how many hours a week he works now, 5 or 10 lol. but he does have to pay his cell phone bill (considering he got canned from his last job - can you hear me now) but hey, on the bright side for "The Rave", he doesn't need the VX anyhow, he has a nice bike he can ride.

Thanks for the info Guera.

Hopefully soon we will get Justice for Janet, her unborn child, Kaiden, her family & friends.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I've been thinking about the VX with NC tags. Isn't it nearly time for Raven to legally register the VX in Utah? Here are some rules regarding registration in Utah:

DMV - Nonresidents (http://dmv.utah.gov/registernonresidents.html#nonresidents)
Utah law requires you to register your vehicle in Utah within 60 days if you:

have established a permanent home for yourself and your family in this state;
live in Utah, continuously or non-continuously, for a total of six months, regardless of having a permanent residence in another state;
engage in a trade, profession or occupation in Utah, or accept other than seasonal work in Utah, and you do not commute into the state;
declare yourself a resident of Utah to obtain privileges not ordinarily extended to nonresidents, including going to school, enrolling your children in local schools without paying nonresident tuition or fees; or purchasing resident hunting or fishing licenses;
obtain a Utah drivers license.
The only exceptions in the law are for full-time nonresident students (http://dmv.utah.gov/registernonresidents.html#students) attending a Utah college or university, and for military personnel (http://dmv.utah.gov/registernonresidents.html#military) temporarily stationed in Utah.

Additionally, prior to registering your vehicle, there are a number of fees that must be paid:

Personal property tax for passenger cars and light trucks is a uniform fee based on the age of the vehicle. The fee is applicable to passenger cars, light trucks (including sport utility vehicles) and vans. These fees are due at the time of registration, even on new vehicles and when a vehicle is registered more than once during a year. The fees are:

2005 Motor Vehicle Assessment Fees

Model Year of Vehicle
Fee
2005- 2003 $150
2002- 2000 $110
1999- 1997 $80
1996- 1994 $50
1993 and older $10

Registration fees (http://dmv.utah.gov/registertaxesfees.html#mvregistration) also apply. All other vehicles are subject to the uniform fee in lieu of property tax, which is 1.5 percent of the fair market value of vehicles as established by the Tax Commission. Subject to the 1.5 percent fee-in-lieu are medium and heavy duty trucks, recreational vehicles, which includes motor homes, trailers, truck campers, motorcycles, boats, snowmobiles, personal water craft, ATVs, and vehicles registered for off-road use.

Utah Motor Vehicle Registration Fees

$21.50passenger cars and light trucks (plus $2.50 drivers education fee and $1 for Insurance Database Fee - making the total $25.00)

$1 - $10.00Davis, Salt Lake, Utah and Weber counties also require an emissions fee (I/M or APC Fee) between $1 and $10, depending on the county and fuel type.

$23.00motorcycles (plus $1 for Insurance Database Fee - making the total $24.00)

$49.50motor vehicles or combination of vehicles, to transport passengers for hire or property for hire: 12,001 to 14,000 lbs. gross laden weight (add $2.50 Drivers Education Tax and $1 Insurance Database Fee for each)
plus: an additional fee (increased 7-1-97) of $18.50 for each 2,000 lbs. over 14,000 lbs. gross laden weight to 80,000 lbs. gross laden weight.

$21.50 farm trucks up to 12,000 lbs. gross laden weight;
$33.00 farm trucks 12,001 lbs. to 14,000 lbs. (add $2.50 Drivers Education Tax and $1 Insurance Database Fee for each)
plus: $9.00 for each 2,000 lbs. up to 80,000 lbs. gross laden weight

$11.00trailers over 750 lbs. (unladen)

$8.50commercial trailers that are under 750 lbs. (unladen)

Registration is not required for private trailers under 750 lbs. (unladen)

So maybe Raven can't afford all of these fees but realizes that if he doesn't register his vehicle in Utah soon, he'll be breaking the law. Not wanting to do that, he realizes that he has no choice but to sell his beloved "unique" VX.

[terminatrixator]

It's past 60 days.....isn't it? Oh oh, ticket time!

[newkid]

I've been thinking about the VX with NC tags. Isn't it nearly time for Raven to legally register the VX in Utah?
Yes, but I know a few people who moved here and lived here for a year or two before they finally registered their vehicles here. Maybe just lazy?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Yes, but I know a few people who moved here and lived here for a year or two before they finally registered their vehicles here. Maybe just lazy?Yes, you're right - I think that it's a pretty common occurence.

[LTUlegal]

Not cheap, to be sure, JG, but don't forget, he's got car payments on that oneofakind VX. From what I've heard, it doesn't sound as though he's making the income to support his beloved toys. I don't recall, is the Durango financed to the hilt, as well? It would seem the Durango would be more economical than the VX, although, with gas prices as they are, neither would be too inexpensive to be driving around!

I thought I'd do a little research of my own, and found that the gas prices in SLC average about $2.80 a gallon. Not quite arm/leg like they are where I live, but certainly not a buck a gallon I remember from not to long ago!
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=&src=LeftNav&brand=statefarm
How long will it take for someone to post the joke pic of the gas station prices changed to arm, leg, etc. ?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

From what we've heard, Raven bought the VX new, and it's a 99. He mentioned something about it being due to be paid off "next year" and I believe that was in 2004.

The Durango, if I'm not mistaken, was just purchased last autumn.

So if he has payments left on either, I would think it would be the Durango. However, if he was behind on his bills, he might still owe on the VX as well.

[terminatrixator]

I don't know how police work in Utah, but if a car was sitting parked out somewhere with tags on them from another State, especially a Vehicle for sale, I know where I live, the plates would be checked and a ticket issued. It's one way, in the sweeps, to make money by issuing these types of tickets.

[LTUlegal]

From what we've heard, Raven bought the VX new, and it's a 99. He mentioned something about it being due to be paid off "next year" and I believe that was in 2004.

The Durango, if I'm not mistaken, was just purchased last autumn.

So if he has payments left on either, I would think it would be the Durango. However, if he was behind on his bills, he might still owe on the VX as well.:waitasec: So....if that's the case, maybe he's decided that it's time to sell the VX & get some money? My guesstimation would be that it's more expensive to insure the VX and for upkeep/maintenance than the Durango.

eta: insuring SHOULD be less, if the VX is as rare as it's been said, Durangos are a dime a dozen, so I would think they'd be more affordable to insure...more spare parts for them. The same could be said for upkeep & maintenance, including repair shops...they'd be more familiar with the Durango.

[golfmom]

This might have something to do with his decision as well. Pretty expensive transportation for a part-time bike shop boy.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/16351.shtml
Fuel Economy
Fuel Type Regular
MPG (city) 15
MPG (highway) 19
MPG (combined) 16

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

:waitasec: So....if that's the case, maybe he's decided that it's time to sell the VX & get some money? My guesstimation would be that it's more expensive to insure the VX and for upkeep/maintenance than the Durango.

eta: insuring SHOULD be less, if the VX is as rare as it's been said, Durangos are a dime a dozen, so I would think they'd be more affordable to insure...more spare parts for them. The same could be said for upkeep & maintenance, including repair shops...they'd be more familiar with the Durango.Good points. So maybe Raven's doing a little bit of growing up and making a sensible, adult decision.

[LTUlegal]

Good points. So maybe Raven's doing a little bit of growing up and making a sensible, adult decision.
Or maybe he's having outside influences....

[ewwwinteresting]

Or maybe the trust fund money is gone!

[ewwwinteresting]

It's past 60 days.....isn't it? Oh oh, ticket time!
Could this be in violation of his probation? I can't imagine him being able to not obey ALL laws being a convicted felon and on probation.

[ewwwinteresting]

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention... it has NC plates. I'm pretty sure it's his.

Another funny thing... it's not listed anywhere online that I can find! Not on vehicross.info, not in any local papers, not on autotrader.com... I thought that was interesting too!
Hi guera, thanks for posting.

Maybe we can help raven out with selling his VX. We could list his number here or on the VX board and get some potential buyers his way??

[guera]

Hi guera, thanks for posting.


Maybe we can help raven out with selling his VX. We could list his number here or on the VX board and get some potential buyers his way??
Yeah... I actually asked the moderators about that, and they said I could only post the area code, which is 801 (surprise). I can tell you though that I have been looking online and that this number doesn't appear to be listed... I can't find it anywhere. Anybody know any good websites to find out more information about phone numbers?

[golfmom]

Yeah... I actually asked the moderators about that, and they said I could only post the area code, which is 801 (surprise). I can tell you though that I have been looking online and that this number doesn't appear to be listed... I can't find it anywhere. Anybody know any good websites to find out more information about phone numbers?

I asked previously and if it's been posted online previously by the person then it's fair game. So, when Raven posted on the vx boards and his pocketpc website his home phone number we were able to transfer it over here.

There are a bunch of sites available for reverse look-ups, but it's not as easy to get info on a number if it's a cell number.

[lauriej]

Yeah... I actually asked the moderators about that, and they said I could only post the area code, which is 801 (surprise). I can tell you though that I have been looking online and that this number doesn't appear to be listed... I can't find it anywhere. Anybody know any good websites to find out more information about phone numbers?
...reverse phone number lookup on 411.com is common.........

..801 area code IS of course utah.......

..if i were you..anonymous as it is............i'd call the # and inquire as to the sales price.......( inquiring minds are dying to know !)

..."poor raven".......he elected all along to keep the VX............and is now stuck with a gas-guzzler as the price at the pump sky-rockets..........

..( it's called karma raven.............karma all around.)

[ewwwinteresting]

Yeah... I actually asked the moderators about that, and they said I could only post the area code, which is 801 (surprise). I can tell you though that I have been looking online and that this number doesn't appear to be listed... I can't find it anywhere. Anybody know any good websites to find out more information about phone numbers?
Guera:

Did you see the Acura and the Durango? Think you could take some pictures of the vehicle for sale and the neighborhood like NCBanker did of the NC property? Would love to see them!

[guera]

Guera:

Did you see the Acura and the Durango? Think you could take some pictures of the vehicle for sale and the neighborhood like NCBanker did of the NC property? Would love to see them!
I actually had driven by a while back and had seen both the Durango and the Acura there, but I didn't happen to see them this last time when I noticed the VX was for sale. I will try on the photos... to be honest I don't have a camera so I'll try to find somebody who does! :doh: I did look up the number on 411.com though and all it says is that it's an unlisted SLC number listed with AT&T... so my guess is that it's basically a Cingular phone.

[Justgimmethetruth]

C'mon, Guera. Give a call and find out the price and details. Then report back here!
:dance:

[terminatrixator]

Roflmao - I'll do it with my best Rita Cosby impersonation.

[ewwwinteresting]

Roflmao - I'll do it with my best Rita Cosby impersonation.
Guera: If you don't want to call, maybe you could PM Term and give her the number to call. That way, we'll have the details...

Thanks for trying to get the pictures taken!

[lauriej]

I actually had driven by a while back and had seen both the Durango and the Acura there, but I didn't happen to see them this last time when I noticed the VX was for sale. I will try on the photos... to be honest I don't have a camera so I'll try to find somebody who does! :doh: I did look up the number on 411.com though and all it says is that it's an unlisted SLC number listed with AT&T... so my guess is that it's basically a Cingular phone.
..you saw janet's acura as well ????

..didn't we have ( solid, unconfirmed) info that janet's family members had the acura ?

..how on earth did raven end up with all 3 vehicles ?? and get all of them clear across the country ?

...i'm not hating it though, that it's the "look-at-me-now-i'm-so-cool VX " that he's got up for sale.......

[lauriej]

I actually had driven by a while back and had seen both the Durango and the Acura there, but I didn't happen to see them this last time when I noticed the VX was for sale. I will try on the photos... to be honest I don't have a camera so I'll try to find somebody who does! :doh: I did look up the number on 411.com though and all it says is that it's an unlisted SLC number listed with AT&T... so my guess is that it's basically a Cingular phone.
cingular............what a surprise...

..he was working there for what.....a month...two...july and august?

...do we know WHY he is no longer an employee of theirs ?

..was he fired ??? quit ??? selling cell-phones now on ebay??? have we heard for sure ?

..raven raven...........you had some promise once upon a time..............and now look at you.......

[ewwwinteresting]

cingular............what a surprise...

..he was working there for what.....a month...two...july and august?

...do we know WHY he is no longer an employee of theirs ?

..was he fired ??? quit ??? selling cell-phones now on ebay??? have we heard for sure ?

..raven raven...........you had some promise once upon a time..............and now look at you.......
We were told that after the funeral, raven's FAMILY took the Acura, not Janet's. Nice, huh? God forbid Janet's family should get any of their daughter's personal belongings...when her cheating, lousy, can't support his own family, husband wants to keep them! Ya think raven and his family would be so low and sell them to make money???

We were told that raven was fired....guessing it's from the pesky background check.

[libraryg]

We were told that after the funeral, raven's FAMILY took the Acura, not Janet's. Nice, huh? God forbid Janet's family should get any of their daughter's personal belongings...when her cheating, lousy, can't support his own family, husband wants to keep them! Ya think raven and his family would be so low and sell them to make money???

We were told that raven was fired....guessing it's from the pesky background check.


Wow Ewwww how sickening.
Are you sure Karyn Bolton isn't really Jackie Peterson in disguise? Geez... this sounds so much like deja vu!
I am sick of waiting too and hope that LE will get off their duff and clip The Rave's wings asap if not sooner!

[ewwwinteresting]

Wow Ewwww how sickening.
Are you sure Karyn Bolton isn't really Jackie Peterson in disguise? Geez... this sounds so much like deja vu!
I am sick of waiting too and hope that LE will get off their duff and clip The Rave's wings asap if not sooner!
You are correct, Term seems to have nailed this one perfectly! JP aka KB....KB aka JP!

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Does anyone know if Raven still has the Durango and the VX? Did the VX ever sell?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I keep thinking about that post Raven made about keeping the VX and the Durango if it were up to him. And after the funeral, as his mom drove away in Janet's Acura, Raven was indeed left with the Durango and the VX. Interesting how that worked out.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I was just thinking - if the VX wasn't at the house that night, would LE even have known that it existed until later? Could it have been at Raven's disposal for days even before LE even learned of it?

[SouthEastSleuth]

I was just thinking - if the VX wasn't at the house that night, would LE even have known that it existed until later? Could it have been at Raven's disposal for days even before LE even learned of it?
That's a really good question. One would hope that LE asked Raven that night about other vehicles, but who knows. And if they didn't, then that certainly leaves the VX AND the Acura possibly out of the picture for how long? Hours, days?

But again, let's hope that LE knew THAT NIGHT that the Abaroa's owned other vehicles, and, asked Raven about the whereabouts of those vehicles, that night!

ETA: Now that I think about it, the reward press release mentioned that Janet had come home from work, and that they had taken her car in for repairs. So one can safely assume I suppose that Raven told LE that story, if not that night, then surely within a short timeframe after the murder. The VX however, who knows when it first came into conversation.......

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

But again, let's hope that LE knew THAT NIGHT that the Abaroa's owned other vehicles, and, asked Raven about the whereabouts of those vehicles, that night!The problem I have with this is why wouldn't LE have searched those vehicles as well? Would a judge not grant warrants on those vehicles (at least on the VX if it wasn't in a shop that night)?

[libraryg]

So I notice that Raven only claims the Durango as a vehicle on his bankruptcy papers, with a net worth under $4000.
Did his family buy Janet's Acura?
And where oh where did his pride and joy the VX go? Sold? "Given" to a family member? Inquiring minds gotta know...... :)

[terminatrixator]

So I notice that Raven only claims the Durango as a vehicle on his bankruptcy papers, with a net worth under $4000.
Did his family buy Janet's Acura?
And where oh where did his pride and joy the VX go? Sold? "Given" to a family member? Inquiring minds gotta know...... :)
Not sure about the VX....but he didn't list any "sales" as assets in 2006, but he does have one pending sale of 100 bucks on the bankruptcy. I believe the Acura was sold by Raven to Jim Bolton and it was driven back to Utah after the Memorial service, I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. I have to go back over everything to check for accuracy, and I'll let you know after I look around a bit.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Not sure about the VX....but he didn't list any "sales" as assets in 2006, but he does have one pending sale of 100 bucks on the bankruptcy.If Raven is the kind of guy that doesn't pay his taxes, embezzles from his employer, doesn't claim that as income even AFTER reading here that he could be charged for that alone, buys religious products and then doesn't pay for them, hasn't even paid off his restitution, etc., I find myself wondering why he would list this pending sale of $100. It just doesn't fit with what we've come to know of Raven. He'd play up his debts and hide any money coming in. So why would he list that $100 sale? If you or I were to sell something for $100, would we list it as pending income on our bankruptcy forms??? Doubtful - an amount that small, we'd probably not even think to list it and if we did, we'd think - who'd even know about that 100 bucks? So why would he list it? Is it something that's traceable (like the transfer of an automobile title), so he realizes that he has to list it but doesn't want to pay taxes on it?

ETA: To whomever mentioned Karyn's name in connection to this bankruptcy of Raven's - I agree. It really seems very suspicious that she just recently sold her house and now Raven goes bankrupt. Fishy, IMO.

And do we know yet if he will have to still pay for student loans and legal judgements?

[caffeinatd]

And do we know yet if he will have to still pay for student loans and legal judgements?
here is a link to what is dischargeable under chapt 7, also some other good info
http://www.ndb.uscourts.gov/forms/DischargeInfo.htm#4

"...The most common types of non- dischargeable debts are certain types of tax claims, debts not included by the debtor on the lists and schedules the debtor must file with the court, debts for spousal or child support or alimony, debts for willful and malicious injuries to person or property, debts to governmental units for fines and penalties, debts for most government funded or guaranteed educational loans or benefit overpayments, ........"


So, does this mean his debt to ES will not be discharged? seems like the embezzelment was willful and malicious to ES, not sure about the ed. loans, were they gov. supported?

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

01/23/2005, 05:19 AM

NC VX sorry to hear that. Your VX is awesome, I was fortunate to see it at one of the MD meets.

......
NC_VX
01/25/2005, 05:37 PM

I appreciate the props . That was my one and only event so far and I loved it... I won't be off the VX train for long if I do sell. Right now I continue to job hunt hard and hope to make it through this!I'm looking for the story of Raven's original purchase of the VX. While I haven't found it yet, reading this thread reminds me all over again just how desperate Raven was to keep the VX. It seems like it really pained him to have to think about the possibility of not just losing the VX but losing all of the attention he felt he was getting at that site.

[terminatrixator]

I'm looking for the story of Raven's original purchase of the VX. While I haven't found it yet, reading this thread reminds me all over again just how desperate Raven was to keep the VX. It seems like it really pained him to have to think about the possibility of not just losing the VX but losing all of the attention he felt he was getting at that site.
Looking through the stuff he posted on those sites, the VX was more important than anything, including his wife and child.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Looking through the stuff he posted on those sites, the VX was more important than anything, including his wife and child.Maybe because it's easier to pretend that you're something special over the Internet than to have to prove it to those that have to put up with you on a daily basis in real life?