Who Killed Janet Abaroa?

[PrayersForMaura]

Who Killed Janet Abaroa?

Note: This poll is not for scientific purposes. It is for sheer websleuthing and is based on opinions of sleuthers based on what they've deducted from this case. The outcome of this poll is not meant to defame anyone's character.

[PrayersForMaura]

you can post on this thread if you have feedback or thoughts to share :)

[PrayersForMaura]

Hi there... the results so far are interesting. Someone chose "family member". I am wondering if who might have chosen that option has any ideas of who?? A family member on her side or Raven's side?
If you feel like commenting, please do. I am curious!!

[WhiteWolf]

I voted the hubby did it, only because he couldn't afford to pay a hitman to do it.

I also think he could receive Social Security benefits for their baby because his mother was employed, and she may have been able to shed some light on his illegal activities. Also, lots of sympathy because he was a single dad/widower with a baby to raise.

[PrayersForMaura]

I voted the hubby did it, only because he couldn't afford to pay a hitman to do it.

I also think he could receive Social Security benefits for their baby because his mother was employed, and she may have been able to shed some light on his illegal activities. Also, lots of sympathy because he was a single dad/widower with a baby to raise.
I voted for Raven, too ... I am leaning toward's the Scott Peterson profile. I am thinking there's another woman out there and that he just is too consumed with himself.

[WhiteWolf]

I voted for Raven, too ... I am leaning toward's the Scott Peterson profile. I am thinking there's another woman out there and that he just is too consumed with himself.


SP is definately a classic case of everything that can go wrong. How many times do we see a couple in financial, personal, job, and/or illegal activity where a spouse ends up dead?

ETA: As far as another woman, he was obviously looking when he listed himself on the blog as a single man a few days before his wife's murder.

[JerseyGirl]

ETA: As far as another woman, he was obviously looking when he listed himself on the blog as a single man a few days before his wife's murder.
One day before. However, it is in dispute as to whether or not he intentionally listed himself as single since it is the default setting.

[WhiteWolf]

One day before. However, it is in dispute as to whether or not he intentionally listed himself as single since it is the default setting.


HA, that's what a good defense attorney would say! I saw a picture of him with Kaiden posted on one of the threads, was this picture posted on the blog close to the time of Janet's murder?

[JerseyGirl]

HA, that's what a good defense attorney would say! I saw a picture of him with Kaiden posted on one of the threads, was this picture posted on the blog close to the time of Janet's murder?There is a picture of him & Kaiden on their front porch that's posted on his MySpace profile.

[golfmom]

There is a picture of him & Kaiden on their front porch that's posted on his MySpace profile.

And as our own Mr.AG says ... catnip!

[ewwwinteresting]

I voted the hubby did it, only because he couldn't afford to pay a hitman to do it.

I also think he could receive Social Security benefits for their baby because his mother was employed, and she may have been able to shed some light on his illegal activities. Also, lots of sympathy because he was a single dad/widower with a baby to raise.
Oh yah, the social security benefits! That is correct, Kaiden (Raven) would receive a monthly payment until he is 18. Good point WW.

[lauriej]

a personal life long friend of janet's tonight ( MissYouJanet ) posted that even she couldn't believe it could be raven............she thought perhaps a stalker...

...a stalker.......now that's not out of the realm of possibility.....janet was very shy...( perhaps the 'stalker felt snubbed when she wouldn't even acknowledge him ...)

...they did live in a rather secluded area...and the stalker watched as raven left in soccer gear...........knew he'd be gone awhile.........approached janet .....she told him to get lost.....he lost it...........

...or a friend of theirs who had feelings for janet.............she DID NOT return those feelings.....he became enraged...

...or even a strange nut case ( ted bundy type ) in the area....................sees a beautiful women in the yard..............and kills her just for the score card....

...or a woman raven has been seeing.....he tells her it's over/was nothing............he,janet and kaiden are making it work.....SHE knows he's at the game.............goes by the house to confront janet....( except in this scenario, i really think janet would have inflicted SOME damage on the 'other woman' and someone would have noticed...............)

...it was mentioned in "chat" this a.m....by someone who had been at the funeral that raven was seriously grief-stricken.....i just don't see faking that for hours on end.....

...maybe i'm just holding out hope that raven ( for kaiden's sake) didn't do i t... and therefore i refuse to see the obvious ?

[JerseyGirl]

...it was mentioned in "chat" this a.m....by someone who had been at the funeral that raven was seriously grief-stricken.....i just don't see faking that for hours on end.....

...maybe i'm just holding out hope that raven ( for kaiden's sake) didn't do i t... and therefore i refuse to see the obvious ?There are quite a few possibilities yet none of them seem very likely. But I do agree that if Raven was so grief-stricken, that's something to be considered. (It was also mentioned that guilt could cause that same kind of grief.) At the same time, let's all try to remember that we don't have any idea who's on the other end of these posts. The only things that we know to be of some degree of certainty are the facts that have been released. I want to believe that Janet didn't have any enemies. I want to believe that Raven couldn't have done this. And I am definitely on the fence about what actually happened and who did it, (in spite of all of the weird stuff about money, etc., that we've been discussing). But I don't want to get too far into an opinion based on things that are being stated by people that "knew Janet & Raven" because I just don't know that they really did. So far, the actual facts that have been released are simply not enough to show me who did this.

I don't mean disrespect to any of you, please know that. I truly value your input, and appreciate being able to learn more about this couple. I'm only saying that I'm not allowing it to figure into my opinion just yet.

I do want to offer my condolences to anyone that's reading here that truly was a friend or family member of Janet's. As I'm sure you've noticed, our hearts are with you. We all hope that your dear Janet will get the justice that she deserves.

[JenMom]

This is probably a strange "inaugural" post for me because the point of this site (which I enjoy immensely, btw) is proposing possibilities...but, I think we should all be careful to jump to conclusions too soon.

While I agree Raven's postings seem to make him appear obsessed with possessions and image and that it is crazy watching him brandish a knife in the Christmas video-- it would be interesting to see what opinions the general public would have of many of us if one day our computers were confiscated and our lives were put under a microscope. Think for a moment about how some of your habits or personality flaws could be interpretted...

The world is made up of quirky folks, full of vices and things that taken in the context of a murder mystery could be interpretted many, many different ways.

[golfmom]

This is probably a strange "inaugural" post for me because the point of this site (which I enjoy immensely, btw) is proposing possibilities...but, I think we should all be careful to jump to conclusions too soon.

While I agree Raven's postings seem to make him appear obsessed with possessions and image and that it is crazy watching him brandish a knife in the Christmas video-- it would be interesting to see what opinions the general public would have of many of us if one day our computers were confiscated and our lives were put under a microscope. Think for a moment about how some of your habits or personality flaws could be interpretted...

The world is made up of quirky folks, full of vices and things that taken in the context of a murder mystery could be interpretted many, many different ways.

Jenmom, welcome to the boards. I believe that there is a lot of wisdom in what you say.

I might be a little embarassed if someone peeked and checked out all my internet activity :blushing:

[PrayersForMaura]

a personal life long friend of janet's tonight ( MissYouJanet ) posted that even she couldn't believe it could be raven............she thought perhaps a stalker...

...a stalker.......now that's not out of the realm of possibility.....janet was very shy...( perhaps the 'stalker felt snubbed when she wouldn't even acknowledge him ...)

...they did live in a rather secluded area...and the stalker watched as raven left in soccer gear...........knew he'd be gone awhile.........approached janet .....she told him to get lost.....he lost it...........

...or a friend of theirs who had feelings for janet.............she DID NOT return those feelings.....he became enraged...

...or even a strange nut case ( ted bundy type ) in the area....................sees a beautiful women in the yard..............and kills her just for the score card....

...or a woman raven has been seeing.....he tells her it's over/was nothing............he,janet and kaiden are making it work.....SHE knows he's at the game.............goes by the house to confront janet....( except in this scenario, i really think janet would have inflicted SOME damage on the 'other woman' and someone would have noticed...............)

...it was mentioned in "chat" this a.m....by someone who had been at the funeral that raven was seriously grief-stricken.....i just don't see faking that for hours on end.....

...maybe i'm just holding out hope that raven ( for kaiden's sake) didn't do i t... and therefore i refuse to see the obvious ?
I was informed that Raven was NOT grive stricken at Janet's funeral as was described in this post. I have no reason to distrust my source.

Just wanted to let everyone know that on the flip side, things could be exactly as they seem.

[golfmom]

I was informed that Raven was NOT grive stricken at Janet's funeral as was described in this post. I have no reason to distrust my source.


I also have gotten numerous pm's from people who attended the funeral giving me similar descriptions as PFM outlined above.

Most importantly the reason that they don't want to post this information directly on the board is that they would never do anything to hurt Janet's family.

[Thinkoflaura]

I also have gotten numerous pm's from people who attended the funeral giving me similar descriptions as PFM outlined above.

Most importantly the reason that they don't want to post this information directly on the board is that they would never do anything to hurt Janet's family.
Apparently P. Ness Breath can't keep his mouth shut long enough for the family to give Janet a dignified funeral and burial.
I received a PM stating that her family tried to ignore his behavior for the sake of Kaiden.

Here's what I keep fearing: That Raven started "trading on" his so-called Indian heritage on April 25th. That his plan is to flee to a very closed sector which he has befriended, maybe even has claimed kinship with. It could be unorthodox Mormon, or more likely, Native American with Mormon ties as well.
If he leaves NC and heads west, this case can be stamped " Cold Case".
NC should have learned from the Eric Rudolph case that a young healthy man can go underground and stay there for as long as he wants to.
We know that Raven is superficially charming. I can so easily see him leaving the NC area and going west to his roots.. I suspect he was researching Native American reservations on the day he added the Menomowee ( Sorry, I don't know the spelling) website information which he plagerized from them.

The intent was most likely NOT just to add a bird name to his site, or info about an Indian tribe, but to do intense research, make at least several good solid contacts with the tribe, and have a foolproof escape plan when the time was right.
Remember please that Mormons have their family tree all mapped out for many generations. He probably has the documentation he needs in hand. They will accept him as The Bird, etc..
What I am very unsure of is Kaiden. I don't see him taking Kaiden with him as Kaiden makes Raven stand out so. Also, taking the baby means that he will depend upon the goodness of strangers for 2 mouths to feed, and one to diaper, etc.
He might leave the baby with Janet's family or he might do whatever is necessary for self- preservation..

I would like to read some of your comments on Raven's future. He has hung around in NC for a month and nothing has happened. I think he will run, possibly as soon as the holiday weekened is over ( more police on the roads during the holiday).
I certainly hope not, but what is there for him in NC other than criminal charges?
I would say that he vacated his Durham house when he left to be where he is now, with no plans to go back.
He has little to no money for long term survival. He is going to have to rely on a support network to make it long term.
Do any of you see this? It is so clear to me that he was testing the waters when he moved to another town, possibly outside NC.. He was testing the waters. Nothing happened, so it's time for the real run.

I feel this in my soul, just like I felt that his name was NOT originally Raven Abaroa before there was any info to back this up.
I would really like to know if he's letting his hair go dark again...
If he goes west, I see no hope for justice. They will never find him among the renegade cults or very closed reservations.

[juliagoulia]

Apparently P. Ness Breath can't keep his mouth shut long enough for the family to give Janet a dignified funeral and burial.
I received a PM stating that her family tried to ignore his behavior for the sake of Kaiden.

Here's what I keep fearing: That Raven started "trading on" his so-called Indian heritage on April 25th. That his plan is to flee to a very closed sector which he has befriended, maybe even has claimed kinship with. It could be unorthodox Mormon, or more likely, Native American with Mormon ties as well.
If he leaves NC and heads west, this case can be stamped " Cold Case".
NC should have learned from the Eric Rudolph case that a young healthy man can go underground and stay there for as long as he wants to.
We know that Raven is superficially charming. I can so easily see him leaving the NC area and going west to his roots.. I suspect he was researching Native American reservations on the day he added the Menomowee ( Sorry, I don't know the spelling) website information which he plagerized from them.

The intent was most likely NOT just to add a bird name to his site, or info about an Indian tribe, but to do intense research, make at least several good solid contacts with the tribe, and have a foolproof escape plan when the time was right.
Remember please that Mormons have their family tree all mapped out for many generations. He probably has the documentation he needs in hand. They will accept him as The Bird, etc..
What I am very unsure of is Kaiden. I don't see him taking Kaiden with him as Kaiden makes Raven stand out so. Also, taking the baby means that he will depend upon the goodness of strangers for 2 mouths to feed, and one to diaper, etc.
He might leave the baby with Janet's family or he might do whatever is necessary for self- preservation..

I would like to read some of your comments on Raven's future. He has hung around in NC for a month and nothing has happened. I think he will run, possibly as soon as the holiday weekened is over ( more police on the roads during the holiday).
I certainly hope not, but what is there for him in NC other than criminal charges?
I would say that he vacated his Durham house when he left to be where he is now, with no plans to go back.
He has little to no money for long term survival. He is going to have to rely on a support network to make it long term.
Do any of you see this? It is so clear to me that he was testing the waters when he moved to another town, possibly outside NC.. He was testing the waters. Nothing happened, so it's time for the real run.

I feel this in my soul, just like I felt that his name was NOT originally Raven Abaroa before there was any info to back this up.
I would really like to know if he's letting his hair go dark again...
If he goes west, I see no hope for justice. They will never find him among the renegade cults or very closed reservations.
Good Mormon families would not protect him. Please remember Mark Hacking's own brothers turned him in to authorities.

[Jenifred]

Good Mormon families would not protect him. Please remember Mark Hacking's own brothers turned him in to authorities.
That was a completely different situation. Good Mormon families do what is right. Hacking's brothers were doing the right thing by alerting authorties to the information that they knew. They wouldn't have been protecting him by not going to the authorities, they would have hindered justice--the wrong thing to do. I believe the Christiansens are doing what is right and good for their grandson. And if that means keeping Raven close to keep Kaiden safe, that's what's important. They are protecting Kaiden, not Raven. I'm sure that they would immediately turn Raven over to the police if something ever broke in this case. They wouldn't try to hide him in any way.

[Thinkoflaura]

Good Mormon families would not protect him. Please remember Mark Hacking's own brothers turned him in to authorities.You are absolutely right. Good Mormon families would not harbor a fugitive, and he is already charged with felonious crimes, but apparently is not considered to be a fugitive since his whereabouts are known.

However, it is naive to think that there are not splinter groups which are called LDS but are not living the law of the land that would take Raven in if he could be a valuable contributor to the group in some way.

The other thing is that I am almost sure that his attempt to align himself with a current Native American tribe was to escape to a reservation.
As we know, some of the bloodiest fights fought on modern USA soil involve splinter groups and factions and the government. Also, there's a huge mistrust of the legal system and the government among some of the tribal reservations.
I think a person who was desperate to avoid the death penalty would gladly go live with a splinter group. I would!!!

[Jenifred]

You are absolutely right. Good Mormon families would not harbor a fugitive, and he is already charged with felonious crimes, but apparently is not considered to be a fugitive since his whereabouts are known.

However, it is naive to think that there are not splinter groups which are called LDS but are not living the law of the land that would take Raven in if he could be a valuable contributor to the group in some way.

The other thing is that I am almost sure that his attempt to align himself with a current Native American tribe was to escape to a reservation.
As we know, some of the bloodiest fights fought on modern USA soil involve splinter groups and factions and the government. Also, there's a huge mistrust of the legal system and the government among some of the tribal reservations.
I think a person who was desperate to avoid the death penalty would gladly go live with a splinter group. I would!!!
IMO, I think that the likelyhood of this happening is very slim. And Raven is still only charged with embezzling, not murder (yet).

And I bet that Janet's family is only thinking about what's best for Kaiden. Although, I do think that Raven needs to be thinking about what's best for Kaiden and he should be searching for some kind of employment soon. I mean he's got a child to support. Wonder if he's been looking anywhere?

[lauriej]

IMO, I think that the likelyhood of this happening is very slim. And Raven is still only charged with embezzling, not murder (yet).

And I bet that Janet's family is only thinking about what's best for Kaiden. Although, I do think that Raven needs to be thinking about what's best for Kaiden and he should be searching for some kind of employment soon. I mean he's got a child to support. Wonder if he's been looking anywhere?
...i would hope so, that alone would be a big clue as to whether he plans on sticking around the area...

...and...i hope i don't sound insensitive, but here in canada, we generally see a 'trust fund' set up for a child/children when they have lost their parents....( accidentally...tragically.....)

...in kaiden's case, he still has his father, and a young man at that, perfectly capable of providing for kaiden.....is it the norm to see a trust fund established in this type of situation ?

..and if it is.........and it is in fact receiving donations, who's in charge? raven ?

[ewwwinteresting]

Raven in charge....that would be scary! IMO, you would have to wonder if that money would be used for his attorney or pay back of the stolen funds.

Someone posted that Janet's parents set up a trust fund for Kaiden with them in charge. Hopefully they will be keeping these funds for Kaiden and not his able bodied father who could work.

[golfmom]

Mr. Abarao, I know that you are reading this site. You may think what we are doing here is humorous. I do not. I find it appalling that a bunch of strangers and acquaintances of Janet are more concerned about justice for your wife than you are.

Forgiveness does not exclude justice. I've uncovered enough material to know that you have severe financial difficulties. These are by your own selfish actions. Regardless, there are foundations out there to help families in your situation with money for reward for information leading to an arrest. Have you called them? Have you been cooperating with police to find who did this to your wife? If my spouse was brutally murdered, I'd be camped out on the doorstep of the investigators.

One day you will be held accountable by Kaiden. He will look you in the eyes and ask, "Dad, what did you do?" Have you asked your own father that question? Were you satisfied with the answer? Don't think Kaiden will accept some goofy song and dance from you. Kids have a strong BS-meter when it comes to their parents.

Finally, if you want Kaiden to have a better life than you had, then you need to do something different.

[Jesstexas]

When I was a teenager, I had the unfortunate experience of being romantically involved with a man who's personality traits are very similar to what we know of Janet's husband. I know that fact is probably biasing my opinion that he is the perpetrator, but to me, it's as plain as can be.

That type of man looks for a woman who is naive, who hasn't been bruised by the world and therefore swallows their b.s. hook, line and sinker. Eventually, even the most naive woman in the world will catch on though, because that type of man can't consistently cover their lies. He just talks too much - and eventually his big mouth does him in. Getting out of a relationship with that type of man is a really scary proposition. You don't confront that type of man with his lies - you just leave when he's not looking and get some distance between yourself and him. And I think that's where Janet went wrong - my heart just breaks for her and for her family.

And the reports of him being so overcome that he can't even SPEAK? Call me hard-hearted, but that just sounds ridiculous to me when coupled with the fact that he has done NOTHING to focus media attention on Janet's murder. NOTHING. That type of man would find it much easier to just stand there and sob than to start talking (which even he realizes has gotten him in so much trouble henceforth).

I have great admiration for Janet's family - I believe they are keeping tightlipped because they desperately want to do everything in their power to protect their grandson. If they publicly disparage Janet's husband, there is no telling what he might do - flee with the child, never to be heard from again - comes immediately to my mind. I can only pray that Janet's death occurred in a fit of his desperation - he just could not let her leave with HIS child. And that his love for his child will prevent him from doing any further harm.

And I too believe that he is reading and possibly even posting. Narcissistic to the letter.

[golfmom]

Jess that was an awesome post and welcome to WS! Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. I think a lot of folks have experiences with these kind of guys, but it takes a royal PoS to cross over and murder someone.

[JerseyGirl]

Ya' know, I still haven't voted in this poll. I really wish we'd get something from LE. I don't know how long it takes to get stuff back from the crime lab but it seems like enough time has gone by at this point to have heard something. I'm starting to worry that this case is going to grow cold based on a lack of evidence or something.

[ewwwinteresting]

I'm starting to worry that this case is going to grow cold based on a lack of evidence or something.
That is a scary thought!

[ewwwinteresting]

Good Mormon families would not protect him. Please remember Mark Hacking's own brothers turned him in to authorities.
Does anybody know if Raven's family is considered by the church or whomever to be a "good mormon family?"

[NCBanker]

Sorry I didn't notice this questions earlier. I think based on what we've learned and deduced, they're probably semi-active. I highly doubt his siblings are affiliated in any way, shape or form. His family was the typical "one foot in the church and one foot in the world" family, where the only time they became active was because they needed $$ from the Bishop. I've seen it many, many times.

A cousin of mine who spent a lot of time with Raven and Janet at SVU said Raven had a limited understanding of the Church, much like the basic testimony or belief of a child.

Does anybody know if Raven's family is considered by the church or whomever to be a "good mormon family?"

[terminatrixator]

Reading the sister's blog and the brother's, I'm thinking not in the greatest standing, A little wackiness there, IMO.

[snapple]

Ya' know, I still haven't voted in this poll. I really wish we'd get something from LE. I don't know how long it takes to get stuff back from the crime lab but it seems like enough time has gone by at this point to have heard something. I'm starting to worry that this case is going to grow cold based on a lack of evidence or something.
Jerseygirl, did you vote yet? Just wondering if there is still some undecided.

[JerseyGirl]

Jerseygirl, did you vote yet? Just wondering if there is still some undecided.Believe it or not, I still haven't. I will eventually - I promise! :)

[terminatrixator]

Looking at the votes, and I'm so disgusted, a family member? Ummm, the husband maybe, but seriously, all Janet's family members and I'm sure Kaiden are quite innocent of this horrendous murder!

[ewwwinteresting]

Looking at the votes, and I'm so disgusted, a family member? Ummm, the husband maybe, but seriously, all Janet's family members and I'm sure Kaiden are quite innocent of this horrendous murder!
I'm wondering if they meant raven's family. Maybe his brother or something?

[terminatrixator]

I don't know, but I don't think it was anyone in his family either, I think it's the one and only Raven myself!

[JerseyGirl]

I'd be really interested in seeing this poll re-run but since I wasn't its original creator, I figured I should put it past you all. PFM, if you're still reading here, do you want to make a new poll with these same questions?

[Jenifred]

JG, have you voted yet? Maybe someone is waiting for you to jump in!

[JerseyGirl]

JG, have you voted yet? Maybe someone is waiting for you to jump in!I did finally vote.

[Jenifred]

I did finally vote.
Did hell freeze over and I missed it?:angel:

[JerseyGirl]

It's been at least a week already since I voted. I'd be interested to see how many of the undecided's would now cast a vote in one of the other categories.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Did hell freeze over and I missed it?:angel:

[JerseyGirl]

Okay, I submitted a new poll. It's pretty close to the same choices but we can see if time has changed anything. Here's the link:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - Who is the perpetrator? Updated poll. (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=794010#post794010)

[JerseyGirl]

I don't get it. :waitasec:

[Jenifred]

I don't get it. :waitasec:
Yes, it looks like the Abaroas have all gotten screen names and voted. I guess they just don't want to post--or is it read about the truth?:chicken:

[JerseyGirl]

Yes, it looks like the Abaroas have all gotten screen names and voted. I guess they just don't want to post--or is it read about the truth?:chicken:I thought that at least one of these questions was almost like a throw-away. Yet it gets votes. :waitasec:

This is an anonymous poll so I can't really complain but I really, really wish that people would post some information on why they are leaning one way or another. Because none of the evidence supports one or two of the choices. None whatsoever.

ETA: Are these all genuine answers, or are some people voting just to screw up the numbers? If the latter is the case, I wish they'd find something else with which to amuse themselves.

[golfmom]

ETA: Are these all genuine answers, or are some people voting just to screw up the numbers? If the latter is the case, I wish they'd find something else with which to amuse themselves.

LOL JG, I bet some of the Abaroa's/Bolton's have been saying that about Websleuthers as well.

[JerseyGirl]

LOL JG, I bet some of the Abaroa's/Bolton's have been saying that about Websleuthers as well.Could be but as you know, we are here to legitimately discuss the case and different theories, if any were to pop up. I've seen people come on stating that they know for sure that RAVEN IS INNOCENT but almost no one gives an alernate theory. If you think he is innocent, give us something from these threads that has you thinking that way. I'm not saying that it's utterly impossible that it might be someone other than Raven but I have yet to see anything that points my mind to another reasonable theory.

Anyway, coming here to discuss the case, IMO, is legitimate. Posting nonsense poll answers just for the sake of lowering the percentage next to Raven's name is juvenile and transparent. Thank you to everyone that answers these polls genuinely, regardless of your answer. To those that don't, and just like to make waves ... *yawn*.

[Jenifred]

LOL JG, I bet some of the Abaroa's/Bolton's have been saying that about Websleuthers as well.
You know what? I hope they do keep posting here. Throw things off as much as they want--it doesn't matter won't deter me! However, I would like to see some more concrete facts posted and not this blather about "he's innocent and I know it." Because you know what? They only believe what Raven has told them, and any interested member of that family that looks at the papers, reads the search warrant, and the autopsy report and actually reads them, I believe would be having their doubts.

[golfmom]

You know what? I hope they do keep posting here. Throw things off as much as they want--it doesn't matter won't deter me! However, I would like to see some more concrete facts posted and not this blather about "he's innocent and I know it." Because you know what? They only believe what Raven has told them, and any interested member of that family that looks at the papers, reads the search warrant, and the autopsy report and actually reads them, I believe would be having their doubts.

Well, they believe that he got let go from ES because of a difference of opinion with mangement. Then it came out after Janet's murder (not suicide) that he was indicted on multiple charges of felony (not misdemeanor) embezzlement and that he was renting (didn't own) the house. It's a wonder that they continue to believe anything that drops out of his mouth.

[JerseyGirl]

Well, they believe that he got let go from ES because of a difference of opinion with mangement.Oh that's right ... because they insisted on telling him how to run "his" department. :rolleyes: Silly bosses ... how dare they?

*Sigh* If only we were all as important as we think we are.

[JerseyGirl]

Wow, lots of people suddenly voting and dramatically changing the numbers. And all at once it seems.

This poll has been up for quite some time getting votes trickling in painfully slowly, yet in a matter of days, our "unsure", "jealous female", etc. categories have gotten quite a few new votes. :waitasec: Any of you new voters been biking recently?

Interestingly, these new votes have changed the percentage of people believing Raven did it from over 85% to just over 75%. What a shame that reality can't be changed the same way, huh?

[momx3]

I have been keeping up on this case for the past 2 months. I am an old friend of Ravens. I heard about the case after looking him up on classmates to see how he was doing, that's where I saw the ravenstree.com link and then it lead me to the darkside after doing some searching I found websleuths. It makes me mad that I never saw any news coverage of the case. (I live in Utah) I'm very sad to hear about Janet and poor Kaiden to grow up without a mom. I really hope that Raven didn't do it but all the evidence is against him. I never saw a violent side to Raven or even see him get very mad at anyone, just the cocky arrogance but in the high school we went to it was how most of the boys were. I really want to get in touch with some of our other friends that have kept in touch with raven to see what their opinions are and to see how kaiden is doing. If I get any info I will certainly let you know.

[Jenifred]

Welcome to WS momx3. Would you mind, since you know him, to check out the picture (or it might be a link) on the Where's Raven thread and see if you think that's him or not? Much appreciated!!

[terminatrixator]

Welcome Momx3. Sorry you had to hear about the case the way you did.

Not sure how many of Raven's friends are going to be forthcoming with information regarding their opinions, because I think they may all deep down know that he did it, and if he did indeed murder, what would stop him from doing it again?

I know that Raven does have a nasty side to him, and does have anger management issues, and his close friends know this. I mean, to murder your beautiful wife, would have to show some major issues.

Anything you hear and pass along would be appreciated.

Though I poke at Raven often, this place isn't about poking the PNess, it's just something I feel the need to do at times.

This place and other's on the web are about Justice for Janet, her unborn child & Kaiden and Janet's family & friends.

[momx3]

I don't think that's him in the picture buta persons looks can change alot after high school and life. I completely understand that people are seeking justice on this case and I don't blame anyone for the opinions they have about Raven. The Raven I knew was extremly nice minus the fact that he thought he was gods gift to the world. I used to play volleyball with Raven and we'd all go to out to eat cheese fries at the training table alot. Like I said I hope he didn't do it but Raven is definetly not the same person I knew in high school. First off I never thought Raven would have kids (he was to into himself) and I never imagined him embezzeling money from his employer. So ANYTHING is possible.

[terminatrixator]

Yes, Momx3, people do change, this is not the first time he embezzled either, which is really sad. The first time, he was just fired from Market Star.

Oh and as far as being a daddy goes, he really sucks in that department too. He thinks of his child as a meal ticket and a possession, not as a motherless baby, not as his child, just a possession.

It's really sad.

[NK57]

I have been keeping up on this case for the past 2 months. I am an old friend of Ravens. I heard about the case after looking him up on classmates to see how he was doing, that's where I saw the ravenstree.com link and then it lead me to the darkside after doing some searching I found websleuths. It makes me mad that I never saw any news coverage of the case. (I live in Utah) I'm very sad to hear about Janet and poor Kaiden to grow up without a mom. I really hope that Raven didn't do it but all the evidence is against him. I never saw a violent side to Raven or even see him get very mad at anyone, just the cocky arrogance but in the high school we went to it was how most of the boys were. I really want to get in touch with some of our other friends that have kept in touch with raven to see what their opinions are and to see how kaiden is doing. If I get any info I will certainly let you know.


Hi Momx3
I have been following this case for a couple of months myself. Since you are a former friend of Raven's is there anything you can tell us about him? Quite frankly I don't know what to think. I mean its been 6 months and still no arrest so maybe the suspect isn't Raven. I don't know, it all seems kafooey to me. Thanks in advance :)

[terminatrixator]

Welcome to the forums NK57. I guess, it's true that no suspect has been named, or an arrest made on the case, but what get's me is that to me, it's blatantly obvious who committed this crime.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm a bit tired of waiting myself - I would love to see the bird get roasted, and soon.

[NK57]

Thanks for the welcome to this forum Trixie. I find this to be an interesting case. But wow... its like watching paint dry.

[momx3]

Raven was/is awesome at soccer and volleyball. He was a great competitor and fun to be around. He did think that he was better than alot of people but he was a nice person. I knew he was always going to have the best of everything and that IF he ever got married she would have to be pretty special because of that fact. I'm sure he does want the absolute best for Kaiden and I don't see him giving anything but the best of himself to Kaiden. That's why I hope he didn't kill Janet. How could you take your childs mother away from him? Something needs to be done to get this case solved. IMO if Raven did this he doesn't deserve to go to Prison he needs to be taken out back and shot as soon as the trial is over!:bang: That's my opinion though on any person who's found guilty of something like this.

[NK57]

Thanks for your thoughts Mom. All I can say is that to me... and this is just my opinion and mine alone, that all paths seem to be leading to Raven. I truly believe that LE is taking their time in gathering the evidence against him and will then make an arrest. You have mentioned that you are in Utah and that is where it is believed that Raven is living with Kaiden. Since you went to school with him at one time, I would imagine someone in your extended circle of friends has been in contact with him.

JMO

Nancy

[terminatrixator]

Who killed Janet Abaroa.....Ra Ra Ra Raven!

[JerseyGirl]

... Raven is definetly not the same person I knew in high school. First off I never thought Raven would have kids (he was to into himself) ...Wow, this statement just blew me away, thinking about what happened to the woman who gave him those children. :(

Welcome to WS, mom, and thank you so much for giving us more information about Raven's personality. I could read your informative posts for days!

[JerseyGirl]

He did think that he was better than alot of people but he was a nice person. I knew he was always going to have the best of everything ...I also find this statement interesting. Do you mean this in regards to the goals and dreams that he had? Or do you mean that he had a taste for the finer things in life ... designer labels, cars, etc.? Did he have a sense of entitlement, like he deserved only the best or was he just driven in terms of attaining his goals and making something out of his life? I know that this sounds pointed but was he the kind to eliminate obstacles that stood in his way or was he a real problem-solver that would find a reasonable way through a situation in spite of its obstacles?

Thanks again for your insight. I can't even express to you how much it's appreciated.

[JerseyGirl]

Wow, lots of people suddenly voting and dramatically changing the numbers. And all at once it seems.

This poll has been up for quite some time getting votes trickling in painfully slowly, yet in a matter of days, our "unsure", "jealous female", etc. categories have gotten quite a few new votes. :waitasec: Any of you new voters been biking recently?

Interestingly, these new votes have changed the percentage of people believing Raven did it from over 85% to just over 75%. What a shame that reality can't be changed the same way, huh?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wow, I'm a complete idiot. I was looking at the wrong poll! LOLOL.

[terminatrixator]

LOL JG - You're not an idiot, I have done that so many times myself or wait, would that make me an idiot too? I think almost everyone has done it before.
We've been up and down these threads so many times and with the two polls, it is quite easy to get confused after all this time spent here.

[terminatrixator]

Raven Samuel Peters Abaroa

[BirdHunter]

bump it.

[terminatrixator]

The answer to the poll again is Raven Abaroa.

[BirdHunter]

Yep. Still Raven.

[Moxie]

Yep. Still Raven.
Maybe he's run out of people he can convince to come and vote here that he is innocent?

Remember, it's not the number of people Raven can find who believe he is innocent, it is the number of different IP addresses he can create on his computer (maybe even the infamous laptop?!?!?) to be able to register at WS so that HE can vote.

[terminatrixator]

Moxie, if you had to guess which way he voted, what would your guess be? I'm going with infatuated Male, what do you think? We know he wouldn't have marked himself, if he had a conscience he would, but we know he has none. :eek:

[ewwwinteresting]

Moxie, if you had to guess which way he voted, what would your guess be? I'm going with infatuated Male, what do you think? We know he wouldn't have marked himself, if he had a conscience he would, but we know he has none. :eek:
I don't know Term....maybe he voted family member:crazy:

[terminatrixator]

Seems the Raven made some new friends that decided to check out websleuths.com the "none of the above - unsure" these numbers went up lately.

Doesn't matter in the end the truth will come out.

[lauriej]

wow...raven has 18 friends ?