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Timex
05-26-2005, 11:06 PM
continue here

golfmom
05-26-2005, 11:07 PM
Hi ya'll! :woohoo:

PrayersForMaura
05-26-2005, 11:07 PM
thank you Timex! :)

ewwwinteresting
05-26-2005, 11:14 PM
So, do we know if Janet was still playing soccer? She looked great for having a six month old....didn't take her long to get back in shape!

golfmom
05-26-2005, 11:15 PM
So, do we know if Janet was still playing soccer? She looked great for having a six month old....didn't take her long to get back in shape!

Oh, that's a good question. We've heard that Raven played in leagues, I wonder if Janet did too?

ewwwinteresting
05-26-2005, 11:16 PM
Oh, that's a good question. We've heard that Raven played in leagues, I wonder if Janet did too?
From what I've read, it appears she was one heck of a player!

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:18 PM
So, do we know if Janet was still playing soccer? She looked great for having a six month old....didn't take her long to get back in shape!
You didn't see her when she was pregnant. If you were behind her you could not tell that she was pregnant. The only weight that she put on was all baby. Kaiden was a cute little basketball right on her belly. She literally looked like she had stuffed a basketball up under her shirt.

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:19 PM
Of course she looked like she never had a baby a week later.

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:20 PM
From what I've read, it appears she was one heck of a player!
She was an incredible player. She could have gone pro if she wanted to but she decided thtat she wanted to make familiy a priority

ewwwinteresting
05-26-2005, 11:20 PM
Of course she looked like she never had a baby a week later.
Now that's not fair!:)

Thinkoflaura
05-26-2005, 11:20 PM
I was posting to you and the thread got locked right in the midst of my post!

I wanted to tell you that I have so much empathy for what you and the other friends of Janet, Raven and their families are going through, and that I care very much about each one of you.

Please share your memories and thoughts of Janet as you see fit. It is totally your private decision. I can tell you that if there had been a " sounding board" for Laura when she died, it would have helped me so very much.
I hope we can offer a safe haven, a refuge and a place to remember Janet.

Hugs,
Lesa

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:22 PM
Now that's not fair!:)
I know I gained 50 with each of my kids and I was happy when I lost half of that

ewwwinteresting
05-26-2005, 11:23 PM
She was an incredible player. She could have gone pro if she wanted to but she decided thtat she wanted to make familiy a priority
Wow, she sounds like someone that had it together...priorities straight...willing to sacrifice something she loves! I bet you feel blessed to have known her for as long as you did.

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:24 PM
ThinkofLaura Thank you four your support. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:25 PM
Wow, she sounds like someone that had it together...priorities straight...willing to sacrifice something she loves! I bet you feel blessed to have known her for as long as you did.
Unbelievably blessed. I wish you all could have known her.

Chica
05-26-2005, 11:27 PM
MYJ and TOL - I just want to express my heartfelt appreciation to the both of you for being so open and honest . . . I get goosebumps when reading your posts . . . I can't even begin to imagine what both of you have gone through/are going through.
God bless both of you, and a BIG thank you!

Thinkoflaura
05-26-2005, 11:31 PM
Unbelievably blessed. I wish you all could have known her.
I'm wanting to know her through your eyes. Tell us what you can about the living Janet- was she a practical joker, did she laugh easily, did she talk about her family often? Was she homesick for her parents and Virginia?
Did she make Kaiden's birth announcements?

We know so little about what made her Janet. If you can, please tell us about her music, the books you may have discussed together, did she like to drive fast cars? What was her favorite food? Was she a picky eater or thin because of good genes, :)? Did she like to decorate her home and was she a crafts type person?

Maybe this is a starting place for us to get to know her.. please don't feel obligated to answer anything, these were just questions that I can see someone asking about Laura, and I know the answers to almost all of them.. She was the sister I never had. Maybe it was like that for you and Janet as well.

Lesa

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:44 PM
Janet was such a boy! Ii guess that's why we worked. We both hated to dress up on Sunday. If it were up to us, we would be iin shorts and sandals and covered in dirt! She was very outgoing in sports. That was her comfort zone. Other than that she was a homebody. She like to spend time with her family.

She had an incrediible work ethic that was instilled in her very young. While the rest of us were sleeping, she would be up at like 4am on her paper route.

She loved kids. she was a great babysitter. Her nieces could not get enough of her.
Janet ate everything and anything and never gained a pound. We were all envious of her.

She was a team player. It was always obvious who the best player on every team was. It was Janet. She was always the last to take credit she would say things like "if Lisa didn't sett me up with the perfect pass I wouldn't have made the shot." Very humble

MissYouJanet
05-26-2005, 11:51 PM
Janet's older brother used to tease her and say he was sad when their mom said they were having another girl but was happy once he found out that she was more boy than girl. They used to play soccer in the back yard together and have so much fun.

Janet never played any sport she wasn't great in. Basketball, soccer, baseball were no match for her. I'm sure she could have been the first pro football player if she wanted to.

golfmom
05-26-2005, 11:56 PM
MYJ, thank you so much for sharing with all of us!

Frankly, I'm worn out. I look forward to catching up in the a.m.

Hugs Everyone! GM

ewwwinteresting
05-27-2005, 12:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewwwinteresting
Do you know what Janet's reaction was when she found out about the embezzlement charges?

shocked and in disbelief as was her family

MYJ: Do you know if there was any talk about Janet leaving Raven after she found out her husband stole from their employer or was she going to "stand by her man" through good and bad?

Thinkoflaura
05-27-2005, 01:22 AM
MYJ and TOL - I just want to express my heartfelt appreciation to the both of you for being so open and honest . . . I get goosebumps when reading your posts . . . I can't even begin to imagine what both of you have gone through/are going through.
God bless both of you, and a BIG thank you!
Thank you very much. It is very difficult to tell the facts of her death ( and we are all, in hindsight and after she was buried, convinced that her husband, who was from a prominent family murdered her) without having enormous grief for her and guilt for being the one who lived.
I try very hard not to take my friends or family for granted.. Laura's murder changed me in ways that I can't say, just like it did her mother, who lost her only daughter, and her dad, who died less than a year later of a massive heart attack- his heart was broken.. Laura was ALL him, his sense of humor, her wicked pranks.. totally her daddy's girl. :)
I know that there is a great deal of survivor guilt of a type.. because I was also married with small children, it could have been me, and maybe it should have been. She was a Special Education teacher, and what higher endeavor could anyone have pursued?
I never would have thought that my prankster, Homecoming Court queen, petite little friend would grow up to be a teacher, much less a Special Needs teacher. She had so little time to live.. I still wonder " Why her?"

I know Janet's friends and family are going through this in a huge and raw hurtful way. I am so glad this site exists so that they may interact and share and remember in their own ways.

God bless.
Lesa

lauriej
05-27-2005, 01:42 AM
Lesa.......

...i've seen posts of yours over time, on various forums, and had not known "your story" until today.....my heart goes out to you...

...i hope that with MYJ coming here and sharing her thoughts of janet that it's also helping you in a way as well...

...i know from experience as well..............( my 21 year old nephew died in 1997...) that you need to 'let it out'.....and a forum is a wonderful way to be able to do that...

...p.s............love your screen name.....it's a wonderful tribute to your friend....

golfmom
05-27-2005, 11:50 AM
MissYouJanet,

I saw that you have logged on and I have one question that is bothering me . . .

Is the family aware of misterallgoods blogs and websleuths? If they are, how do they feel about them? It worries me that all our poking and prodding in this case could be hurting them.

Thank you!

MissYouJanet
05-27-2005, 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewwwinteresting
Do you know what Janet's reaction was when she found out about the embezzlement charges?

shocked and in disbelief as was her family

MYJ: Do you know if there was any talk about Janet leaving Raven after she found out her husband stole from their employer or was she going to "stand by her man" through good and bad?
The thought of leaving Raven never crossed her mind

MissYouJanet
05-27-2005, 12:37 PM
MissYouJanet,

I saw that you have logged on and I have one question that is bothering me . . .

Is the family aware of misterallgoods blogs and websleuths? If they are, how do they feel about them? It worries me that all our poking and prodding in this case could be hurting them.

Thank you!
I'm sure some members of her family are aware. I know her parents are avoiding info on the web

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2005, 01:25 PM
golfmom, check your PM :blowkiss:

misterallgood
05-29-2005, 01:23 PM
... I'll be posting a message from a member of Janet's immediate family on my blog later this evening.

Additionally, I may post a blog entry version of the timeline some time this week.

Mr. A

golfmom
05-29-2005, 01:28 PM
... I'll be posting a message from a member of Janet's immediate family on my blog later this evening.

Additionally, I may post a blog entry version of the timeline some time this week.

Mr. A

I look forward to seeing it!
:D

misterallgood
05-29-2005, 07:04 PM
The Murder of Janet Abaroa... A Message From the Christiansens; An Interesting Find.... (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000759.html)

New weblog entry as of today, May 29, 2005.

Mr. A.

golfmom
05-29-2005, 07:27 PM
I really would support the idea of Raven formally changing his name to . . .


"P. NESS"

It works for me! :bang:

Moxie
05-29-2005, 08:09 PM
I really would support the idea of Raven formally changing his name to . . .


"P. NESS"

It works for me! :bang:
Golfmom, you are hilarious...

He could always just add it to his existing roster of aliases...

Ina’maqki’u wi’dishi’anun
Raven Samuel Abaroa Peters
Pocketpcguy
NC_VX
msn: FuTBaLrGuY
P.Ness

Somehow, it fits...;)

golfmom
05-29-2005, 09:31 PM
:(
I'm so sad. After reading the email from Janet's family member you can feel the pain this has caused this family. No one had the right to take this beautiful woman from their lives. I don't think anyone who hasn't lost a child can really speak to what it must be like for them to experience this huge gaping hole in all their lives. I know that this is probably a wound that can never be healed.

They are in my thoughts and prayers.

Timex
05-29-2005, 09:45 PM
:(
I'm so sad. After reading the email from Janet's family member you can feel the pain this has caused this family. No one had the right to take this beautiful woman from their lives. I don't think anyone who hasn't lost a child can really speak to what it must be like for them to experience this huge gaping hole in all their lives. I know that this is probably a wound that can never be healed.

They are in my thoughts and prayers.

Yes, it is terrible, and I would give this family the same advice I give to all families in this situation...

Stay off the message boards. Dont read them, dont concern yourself with them. I understand how hard it is not to want to set the record straight etc, but the pain they will experience while reading some of the posts will be more than any family should need to handle.

Speculation will run rampant, and anything that can be speculated upon will be. There will be rumors...there will be lies...and their will be truth. For thier own sanity, my advice is not to get caught up in the postings online.

golfmom
05-29-2005, 09:49 PM
Stay off the message boards. Dont read them, dont concern yourself with them. I understand how hard it is not to want to set the record straight etc, but the pain they will experience while reading some of the posts will be more than any family should need to handle.

I completely agree. This is really not a very good place for a grieving family to be.

ewwwinteresting
05-29-2005, 11:53 PM
We know the search warrant indicated that the Dodge Durango was parked on the right side of the residence and the blood was on the side storm door and side door frame.....

I read this in one of the news articles:

"After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said. "Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said."

I am noticing that they didn't say "if" the vehicle is related to the homicide.

I am also wondering why they didn't search the VX (s).....depending if he had two, or the motorcycle. Are we able to obtain a copy of the second search warrant? Are search warrants public record?

golfmom
05-30-2005, 06:59 AM
Maybe someone locally can march into the courthouse and see what paperwork is available.
It's possible that if it costs money we can work out a fund to share the expense.

Moxie
05-30-2005, 10:46 AM
Maybe someone locally can march into the courthouse and see what paperwork is available.
It's possible that if it costs money we can work out a fund to share the expense.
Hi - I don't know if it costs money to get the paperwork, but if anyone is local to Durham and can go get any available paperwork, I would be glad to contribute.

PrayersForMaura
05-30-2005, 06:52 PM
Hi - I don't know if it costs money to get the paperwork, but if anyone is local to Durham and can go get any available paperwork, I would be glad to contribute.
I would also contribute to a fundif we need for paperwork expenses. As long as Raven isn't the one trying to collect the money, lol. Then we'd never see it again or the paperwork! :p

golfmom
05-30-2005, 07:05 PM
:laugh:
I would also contribute to a fundif we need for paperwork expenses. As long as Raven isn't the one trying to collect the money, lol. Then we'd never see it again or the paperwork! :p

:slap: Ouch! that's gonna leave a mark!

ewwwinteresting
05-31-2005, 04:05 AM
Second :laugh:
I would also contribute to a fundif we need for paperwork expenses. As long as Raven isn't the one trying to collect the money, lol. Then we'd never see it again or the paperwork! :p
The person who obtains the paperwork can post the information and let us all know how much he/she had to pay and we can all share in the cost.....of course, just the cost of the paperwork and not the entire expense of the trip:crazy:

Wondering......on an ongoing investigation, how much is really available to the public? What would be available to the public is the court file for the embezzlement charges....maybe someone is close and can show up for the June hearing, find out the case number and pull the file for info? There might be information in the file regarding Janet.

golfmom
05-31-2005, 12:58 PM
What is the status of the embezzlement charges? The news reported that RA has a court date scheduled in June. I tried to confirm it at the NC court schedule calendar, but they don't have the schedule out that far.

Is there any way we can confirm the status of these charges? This would not be something that would be resolved quickly. I found a story that I'm linking below where a woman was charged with embezzlement last fall and it was just resolved recently.

http://www.wral.com/news/4471434/detail.html

In the above case an 85 yo woman was charged with taking $4,000 over 10 years. She received a suspended sentence of 13 to 16 months (probably due to her age) and had to repay the money.

I would think that Raven would eventually get a *deal*, but I just have a hard time imagining that it could be resolved this quickly.

Jenifred
05-31-2005, 01:36 PM
Our conversations have seemed to have died down. I hope that it's just the long weekend.

Has anyone been able to find any information of the soccer game that Raven was at the night Janet was murdered? I don't think that we have found out if it was a league game or a pickup game. I've been looking and can't find a thing.

anneshirley
05-31-2005, 02:21 PM
Our conversations have seemed to have died down. I hope that it's just the long weekend.

I don't know about everyone else, but I know I'm getting really discouraged with the lack of word from reporter and LE. Perhaps that's what's causing the lapse in conversations.

golfmom
05-31-2005, 02:23 PM
I don't know about everyone else, but I know I'm getting really discouraged with the lack of word from reporter and LE. Perhaps that's what's causing the lapse in conversations.

Maybe it would be a good idea to start poking media in the rear-end. It's easy enough to drop an e-mail to reporters who have reported on this crime!

golfmom
05-31-2005, 02:25 PM
jlewis@wral.com
eolson@heraldsun.com

golfmom
05-31-2005, 02:32 PM
A new member posted some beautiful pictures of Janet at graduation in the media thread.

Thank you Tiffany!

anneshirley
05-31-2005, 02:34 PM
jlewis@wral.com
eolson@heraldsun.com
That's an excellent suggestion! Thanks, GM!

Jenifred
05-31-2005, 02:36 PM
jlewis@wral.com
eolson@heraldsun.com
Got them both, gm!

golfmom
05-31-2005, 02:37 PM
Got them both, gm!

If ya'll find anymore ... post 'em. I'm in a mood . . . :banghead:

Jenifred
05-31-2005, 02:42 PM
If ya'll find anymore ... post 'em. I'm in a mood . . . :banghead:
LOL, I can tell!

golfmom
05-31-2005, 02:46 PM
LOL, I can tell!

LOL, first thing this morning I got a PM from a member asking if I was O.K.

Seems like she noticed that my posts were not what they usually are.

:o

Jenifred
05-31-2005, 02:46 PM
You've got to email this one through their web site. But here the page to it:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/bios/Bio_Darla_Miles.html

golfmom
05-31-2005, 02:55 PM
I wrote Eric Olson specifically asking about the embezzlement charges and the following is his response . . .

I just spoke with the assistant district attorney handling the embezzlement cases in Orange County. All the charges remain pending for a court date of June 10. At that point, the ADA (Jacqueline Perez) is simply meeting with his attorney. There is nothing else planned aside from that date at this point.

Hope that clarifies things for you. But if not, please feel free to write again if you have further questions.

-Eric Olson

lauriej
05-31-2005, 03:14 PM
jlewis@wral.com
eolson@heraldsun.com
Staff writer Samiha Khanna can be reached at 956-2468 or skhanna@newsobserver.com. (skhanna@newsobserver.com)

anneshirley
05-31-2005, 03:33 PM
I wrote Eric Olson specifically asking about the embezzlement charges and the following is his response . . .

I just spoke with the assistant district attorney handling the embezzlement cases in Orange County. All the charges remain pending for a court date of June 10. At that point, the ADA (Jacqueline Perez) is simply meeting with his attorney. There is nothing else planned aside from that date at this point.

Hope that clarifies things for you. But if not, please feel free to write again if you have further questions.

-Eric Olson
Sheesh...it all seems a lot easier on Law and Order, doesn't it?:confused:
What do you think the chances of Jacqueline Perez commenting on the embezzlement case? I'd think slim to none...but you never know.

golfmom
05-31-2005, 03:37 PM
Sheesh...it all seems a lot easier on Law and Order, doesn't it?:confused:
What do you think the chances of Jacqueline Perez commenting on the embezzlement case? I'd think slim to none...but you never know.

Well this is one of those things that I'm sure the family has asked Raven about.

"Raven, what's going to happen with the embezzlement charges?"

"My imaginary buddies "Pasqual" and "Francois" took care of everything and I'm free as a bird."

golfmom
05-31-2005, 04:05 PM
Raven might be owed some money.

http://yeoldeconsciousnessshoppe.com/art10.html


Whereabouts Unknown People in the IIM system

http://www.doi.gov/ost/LocatingIIM/A_Z/p.html

anneshirley
05-31-2005, 04:05 PM
"My imaginary buddies "Pasqual" and "Francois" took care of everything and I'm free as a bird."
wait...he is a bird...interesting...

golfmom
05-31-2005, 04:07 PM
wait...he is a bird...interesting...

I should have thrown in ... all puns intentional. :(

PrayersForMaura
05-31-2005, 05:48 PM
Hi Tiffany! Thanks for posting the beautiful pictures of Janet at her collegiate graduation (there in the media links thread for all who haven't seen them yet!).

Who is the man with her in the second picture giving her the bear.
Kind of looks like Raven from the side but not really... looks more like a brother of hers. Are you able to chare who he is?
If not, I understand. You can pm me too.
That is just such a cute photo and I really thank you for sharing it!

~ Prayers for Maura Murray and Janet Abaroa ~

PrayersForMaura
05-31-2005, 05:52 PM
wait...he is a bird...interesting...:p :clap:

PrayersForMaura
05-31-2005, 05:57 PM
Our conversations have seemed to have died down. I hope that it's just the long weekend.

Has anyone been able to find any information of the soccer game that Raven was at the night Janet was murdered? I don't think that we have found out if it was a league game or a pickup game. I've been looking and can't find a thing.
Regarding your first point, yes conversations have died down.
I also wonder if we scared MissYouJanet away... maybe she is out of town but she hasn't posted in a few days.
I am getting discouraged with the lack of media coverage and LE info.

I had received a message from someone who told me that Raven actually played in a soccer game that night... I wonder if this is true. If so, how was his demeanor at the game, when did he get there, when was it over, etc.

Anyone, anyone?
Buehler, Buehler

Thinkoflaura
05-31-2005, 06:24 PM
I don't know about everyone else, but I know I'm getting really discouraged with the lack of word from reporter and LE. Perhaps that's what's causing the lapse in conversations.
That's a big part of it for me, Anne girl ( Marilla's pet name for Anne Shirley).
I mean, without hard evidence, how much can we continue to speculate and wonder?
At some point it becomes absurd. I reached my saturation level and am very upset that the case is not going forward..I keep thinking that the very next news we receive will be that Samuel Peters AKA Raven Abaroa has fled, and is a fugitive on both embezzlement counts and murder one. JMHO, of course.

Thinkoflaura
05-31-2005, 06:27 PM
Raven might be owed some money.

http://yeoldeconsciousnessshoppe.com/art10.html


Whereabouts Unknown People in the IIM system

http://www.doi.gov/ost/LocatingIIM/A_Z/p.html

BWAAAAHH!! What have I been saying???
H'e trading on the Indian heritage and will be smoking the peace pipe at the campfire with them at the next pow-wow. Far away from anywhere we've ever been!!!

misterallgood
05-31-2005, 07:19 PM
[/url] [url="http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000763.html"] The Murder of Janet Abaroa... Over a Month... (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/)

New blog entry up. Much of it regular readers here will already know, but I do state some things more forthrightly than I have perhaps, in the past.

Mr. A.

golfmom
05-31-2005, 08:14 PM
[/url] [url="http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000763.html"] The Murder of Janet Abaroa... Over a Month... (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/)

New blog entry up. Much of it regular readers here will already know, but I do state some things more forthrightly than I have perhaps, in the past.

Mr. A.


SHOW ME THE POLYGRAPH!

Thinkoflaura
05-31-2005, 08:43 PM
SHOW ME THE POLYGRAPH!

It's over there in the corner, being held by the Invisible Man. Can't you see it? :laugh: He's laughing at all of us. You know that, too, and it hurts a lot.
I think we love Janet more than he ever did.

Jenifred
05-31-2005, 09:15 PM
I also wonder if we scared MissYouJanet away... maybe she is out of town but she hasn't posted in a few days.
I don't think that it was us, I think that it was Janet's family member with her very powerful post.

Jenifred
05-31-2005, 09:37 PM
The Murder of Janet Abaroa... Over a Month... (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000763.html)

New blog entry up. Much of it regular readers here will already know, but I do state some things more forthrightly than I have perhaps, in the past.

Mr. A.Great blog!
The thing in the blog that hurts my heart--the whole thing about Raven thinking that Janet would also be unfaithful. Geez, how low can you get, Raven?? You want everyone on your level? I think that she knew the way to get to you and it wasn't being unfaithful, it was Kaiden.

NCBanker
05-31-2005, 11:55 PM
Still no additional info from my source. I've planned a little field trip tomorrow to Durham. It's not too far away, so I'll probably go in the morning and take as many pictures of the crime scene as possible. I did a Mapquest search tonight for directions, and it seems pretty easy to reach. I hate that we haven't heard any "new" news. If LE is still talking to Raven, perhaps they've refocused on him, based on circumstantial evidence?

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 12:40 AM
12:28 a.m. EDT, June 1, 2005 --

IP 151.198.232.10
Country United States
Region New Jersey
City Secaucus
ISP Current Affair

Go figure.

Mr. A.

lauriej
06-01-2005, 12:56 AM
I wrote Eric Olson specifically asking about the embezzlement charges and the following is his response . . .

I just spoke with the assistant district attorney handling the embezzlement cases in Orange County. All the charges remain pending for a court date of June 10. At that point, the ADA (Jacqueline Perez) is simply meeting with his attorney. There is nothing else planned aside from that date at this point.

Hope that clarifies things for you. But if not, please feel free to write again if you have further questions.

-Eric Olson...........came across this re: his court date of june 10th..

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/servlet/calendars.Criminal.do?county=670&court=CR+&defendant=Abaroa&start=0&navindex=0&submit=Submit+Query

District Court of ORANGE County

DefendantDate of
BirthCourt
DateCourt
RoomSessionCase
NumberCitation
Number ABAROA,RAVEN 10/11/1979 06/10/2005 0002 PM 2005CR050503 (http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/servlet/calendars.Offense.do?submit=submit&case=6702005050503&court=CR&defendant=ABAROA,RAVEN)

...........case #'s 2005CR050503 through 2005CR050507 (http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/servlet/calendars.Offense.do?submit=submit&case=6702005050507&court=CR&defendant=ABAROA,RAVEN) so that substantiates that there are five charges...edited to add: each charge listed as 'felony embezzlement'....

lauriej
06-01-2005, 01:03 AM
12:28 a.m. EDT, June 1, 2005 --

IP 151.198.232.10
Country United States
Region New Jersey
City Secaucus
ISP Current Affair

Go figure.

Mr. A.
.now that's excellent.............maybe the email campaign golfmom kicked off today brought someone snooping around.....

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 03:08 AM
:laugh:
Sheesh...it all seems a lot easier on Law and Order, doesn't it?:confused:
You mean have the crime take place, the evidence collected, the results returned, the trial and sentencing all in one hour???

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 03:36 AM
The Murder of Janet Abaroa... Over a Month... (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000763.html)

New blog entry up. Much of it regular readers here will already know, but I do state some things more forthrightly than I have perhaps, in the past.

Mr. A.
Great Blog.......have some questions/thoughts
:
"But then there is the crime he is accused of; embezzling from his former employer, Eurosport, out of Hillsborough, North Carolina. I have been told recently that Raven was actually accused of embezzling $9,000 worth of goods, not money -- perhaps even the shirt pictured at left with the snarky fake name "P. NESS" on it. He has a court date for a hearing on these charges -- June 10th, 2005."

Wouldn't it be public record what he stole? It would make sense that it would be listed on the complaint.





"According to an e-mail from Durham reporter Eric Olson (not the Eric Olsen of blogcritics.org (http://blogcritics.org/)) my websleuths friend "golfmom" forwarded, Raven has to appear for that court date:
From: "Eric Olson"
To: "*****" <************@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:43:09 -0400
Subject: RE: Abaroa case question and information

I just spoke with the assistant district attorney handling the embezzlement cases in Orange County. She told me that is not the case at all. All the charges remain pending for a court date of June 10. At that point, the ADA (Jacqueline Perez) is simply meeting with his attorney. There is nothing else planned aside from that date at this point.

Hope that clarifies things for you. But if not, please feel free to write again if you have further questions.

-Eric Olson



If that is the case, then Raven surely could not be planning, as another e-mail source stated, to head to Maine to stay with an Uncle soon, and then to Utah to stay with his sister. Would that not constitute an unlawful flight from prosecution? It likely would -- but that information did not come from anyone in the immediate family so it could be erroneous or due to some kind of misunderstanding."

IMO, Raven could leave NC and head to Virginia, Maine or Utah or wherever as long as he shows up to the Court dates and isn't charged with the murder of Janet Abaroa. It doesn't seem to me that it would be an unlawful flight from prosecution if he appeared in Court when he was ordered to. IMO, if Raven is making these travel plans, he believes his attorney will be handling the embezzlement charges and will appear when necessary AND he believes he is not a suspect in the murder of his wife.

The other item that doesn't make sense to me is that at the court hearing, the ADA is simply meeting with the attorney. Does that mean Raven doesn't have to appear? Someone would have to let the Court know what the status of the case is, whether it's a continuance in order to work out a deal or whether they are moving forward with prosecution. The case file should show the status.........ok, now that we have the case numbers, we need someone to go to the Court house and pull the file to get some answers here:banghead: !!!!!!

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 03:39 AM
Still no additional info from my source. I've planned a little field trip tomorrow to Durham. It's not too far away, so I'll probably go in the morning and take as many pictures of the crime scene as possible. I did a Mapquest search tonight for directions, and it seems pretty easy to reach. I hate that we haven't heard any "new" news. If LE is still talking to Raven, perhaps they've refocused on him, based on circumstantial evidence?
Yeah :clap: We look forward to the pictures and report of any information NC!

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-01-2005, 07:40 AM
Raven might be owed some money.

http://yeoldeconsciousnessshoppe.com/art10.html


Whereabouts Unknown People in the IIM system

http://www.doi.gov/ost/LocatingIIM/A_Z/p.html (http://www.doi.gov/ost/LocatingIIM/A_Z/p.html%20[/QUOTE)Shilo Smith and Shiloe J. Smith, too.

And Jo and John Ammons, (but no Derek).

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 07:52 AM
12:28 a.m. EDT, June 1, 2005 --

IP 151.198.232.10
Country United States
Region New Jersey
City Secaucus
ISP Current Affair

Go figure.

Mr. A.Can you tell what they were looking at? Was it Janet's story or something else?

By the way, :woohoo: :clap: :clap:

golfmom
06-01-2005, 08:25 AM
Shilo Smith and Shiloe J. Smith, too.

And Jo and John Ammons, (but no Derek).

I didn't spot that, good catch!

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:46 AM
Hey, that's great news, IMHO. I've seen many a slow story come to the public forefront by so-called " tabloid" journalism.
I would love to see the National Enquirer do to Raven what they relentlessly did to the Ramseys for years. ( Not taking up for the Ramseys, just sayin' )

Mr.A, do you not think that by publishing their IP and name, you might be preventing them from returning in the future? Not sure how many people want to fly under the radar.. I am a BLOG idiot.

Thanks!!



12:28 a.m. EDT, June 1, 2005 --

IP 151.198.232.10
Country United States
Region New Jersey

City Secaucus
ISP Current Affair

Go figure.

Mr. A.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 08:51 AM
I received a communication wanting to confirm that it was indeed merchandise that was taken from Eurosport.

anneshirley
06-01-2005, 09:20 AM
I would love to see the National Enquirer do to Raven what they relentlessly did to the Ramseys for years. ( Not taking up for the Ramseys, just sayin' )

I wonder if he'll enjoy all that attention though. From the description of a psychopatho in Mr.AG's blog, it certainly would seem so.

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 10:25 AM
Shilo Smith and Shiloe J. Smith, too.

And Jo and John Ammons, (but no Derek).
Treena smith too, at least it lists something like that on classmates.com

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-01-2005, 10:41 AM
Treena smith too, at least it lists something like that on classmates.comYou're right. That was actually the first name that I had looked for on the list that golfmom posted but it wasn't there.

lauriej
06-01-2005, 12:13 PM
I wonder if he'll enjoy all that attention though. From the description of a psychopatho in Mr.AG's blog, it certainly would seem so.
......$9000.00 is a LOT of merchandise, i wonder what it consists of..

...felony embezzlement, if he IS plaeding guilty, and it sounds like that's the case, anyone know the 'usual punishment' for that crime ?

golfmom
06-01-2005, 12:19 PM
......$9000.00 is a LOT of merchandise, i wonder what it consists of..

...felony embezzlement, if he IS plaeding guilty, and it sounds like that's the case, anyone know the 'usual punishment' for that crime ?

I tried to figure that one out. NC because of overcrowding issues is generally easy on white collar crimes. I guess they figure that if the person isn't a threat to society in general, that it isn't worth society supporting him as an inmate. At the very minimum he would have probation, need to repay the company, and get hit with fines.

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 12:21 PM
He stole soccer gear.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 12:23 PM
He stole soccer gear.

Thank you for sharing that information with us and welcome to the boards!

That's an awful lot of gear, do you know the details on how he was able to do this and what he did with all this gear? It's not like he could have it around the house without Janet getting suspicious.

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 12:24 PM
Thank you for sharing that information with us and welcome to the boards!

That's an awful lot of gear, do you know the details on how he was able to do this and what he did with all this gear? It's not like he could have it around the house without Janet getting suspicious.
I don't know...Raven had a lot of stuff and soccer gear is expensive

golfmom
06-01-2005, 12:30 PM
I don't know...Raven had a lot of stuff and soccer gear is expensive

He sure did have a lot of *stuff* . . .

This would actually have to be a pretty complicated scam. It sounds to me like each month he would order around $1,500 in merchandise. He'd have to have it delivered somewhere. Then, he'd have to sell it somehow. Then he'd have to hide any money he got from Janet.

I remember awhile back I found an ebay account that I thought was his, but the records were unavailable . . . hmmmmmm

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 12:33 PM
He sure did have a lot of *stuff* . . .

I remember awhile back I found an ebay account that I thought was his, but the records were unavailable . . . hmmmmmm
He used to sell on ebay a lot so that could have been his account....as for what he did with the merchendise after he received it.....one can only speculate

golfmom
06-01-2005, 12:34 PM
He used to sell on ebay a lot so that could have been his account....as for what he did with the merchendise after he received it.....one can only speculate

So what is your thought on Janet's murder? Do you think Raven was capable?

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 12:43 PM
So what is your thought on Janet's murder? Do you think Raven was capable?
I am going to try to be careful with my posts. You have gotten a feel for the kind of person Raven is. Some is correct, some is a little off. I think that when you take his personality and the fact that his life has changed dramatically in the last few months then something could snap.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 12:44 PM
I am going to try to be careful with my posts. You have gotten a feel for the kind of person Raven is. Some is correct, some is a little off. I think that when you take his personality and the fact that his life has changed dramatically in the last few months then something could snap.

Hello, I so appreciate you taking the time to help us understand a little more clearly this situation.

Would you be able to elaborate on what you feel that we've gotten wrong?

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 12:52 PM
Would you be able to elaborate on what you feel that we've gotten wrong?
I just said it was a little off. I just don't want to beleive that he could be cold and calculated.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 12:56 PM
I just said it was a little off. I just don't want to beleive that he could be cold and calculated.

So we lead back to the premeditated or spur-of-the-moment discussion. :(

This has been a very frustrating case. Hopefully, something will break soon.

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 12:57 PM
I am going to try to be careful with my posts. You have gotten a feel for the kind of person Raven is. Some is correct, some is a little off. I think that when you take his personality and the fact that his life has changed dramatically in the last few months then something could snap.
HelloYello! Thanks for posting to WS!

When you say changes, do you mean the things that we've already been talking about? Having a baby? Getting fired? Charged with embezzelment?

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:00 PM
HelloYellow,
I also sent you a private message welcoming you to WS. If you look in the upper right corner you can see a link that will take you to the pm feature. If you have a pop-up-blocker enabled, you may need to disable it to access private messages.

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 01:04 PM
HelloYello! Thanks for posting to WS!

When you say changes, do you mean the things that we've already been talking about? Having a baby? Getting fired? Charged with embezzelment?
Exactly

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 01:05 PM
Can you tell what they were looking at? Was it Janet's story or something else?

By the way, :woohoo: :clap: :clap:
They arrived looking at a different story entirely -- the one about the mom who was a new-age healer type who ended up being stabbed 111 times by her demented teenage son. Shame, too, because it's not one of my better entries. Don't know what they read after that, but it looks like they hung around a bit.

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 01:07 PM
Hey, that's great news, IMHO. I've seen many a slow story come to the public forefront by so-called " tabloid" journalism.
I would love to see the National Enquirer do to Raven what they relentlessly did to the Ramseys for years. ( Not taking up for the Ramseys, just sayin' )

Mr.A, do you not think that by publishing their IP and name, you might be preventing them from returning in the future? Not sure how many people want to fly under the radar.. I am a BLOG idiot.

Thanks!!
Any webmaster, not just a blogger, can get that info if they have the right program embedded in their page. Blogs are just journals, short for "weblog". No, I'm not concerned about that. People who don't want you to know they are surfing usually know how to mask their ISP name.

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 01:12 PM
HelloYellow,
I also sent you a private message welcoming you to WS. If you look in the upper right corner you can see a link that will take you to the pm feature. If you have a pop-up-blocker enabled, you may need to disable it to access private messages.
I know how to read it now (thanks to you;) )...but I don't know how to send one:doh:

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 01:12 PM
Exactly
Isn't funny that the choices that we make, make us lash out at others? Look at the serious crimes--Mark Hacking for instance. He lied, and killed Lori because of it. But even everyday life. (I'm on the computer and my 1 year old gets into the fridge and breaks the eggs and then I get mad at him. When really I shouldn't be sitting here, I should be playing and watching him better)

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:14 PM
I know how to read it now (thanks to you;) )...but I don't know how to send one:doh:

If you hit reply, it works just like posting a message on the board, it just sends the message privately. :dance:

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 01:23 PM
If you hit reply, it works just like posting a message on the board, it just sends the message privately. :dance:
I don't see reply....

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 01:23 PM
I don't know...Raven had a lot of stuff and soccer gear is expensive
Could Raven been the "supplier" for the soccer teams he played on? You know, to make him look good and have everybody love him.

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 01:25 PM
I don't see reply....
Try "Quote"

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:25 PM
I don't see reply....

:blushing: I made a mistake (shhhh don't tell Mr.Golfmom)
The button to hit is quote, or you can just click send new message (located on left side) and type in the person's screen name you wish to communicate with.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:27 PM
Could Raven been the "supplier" for the soccer teams he played on? You know, to make him look good and have everybody love him.

This is a very interesting idea! Does anyone have any idea how much it would cost to outfit a soccer team?

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 01:27 PM
I don't know...Raven had a lot of stuff and soccer gear is expensive
Welcome to the Board Yellow! Do you know where Raven is living right now?

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 01:28 PM
......$9000.00 is a LOT of merchandise, i wonder what it consists of..

...felony embezzlement, if he IS plaeding guilty, and it sounds like that's the case, anyone know the 'usual punishment' for that crime ?
He's pleading guilty from what I have heard. That means that he can now " throw himself on the mercy of the court" and a judge will sentence him. There will not be a trial by jury, as I understand the guilty plea thing..

He's betting on a judge being lenient because of Raven's single parent status, the loss of his wife ,etc..

His sentence will probably be 1 year and 1 day, commuted to Probation only. He will have a Felony conviction on his records forever.

I say the judge will give him 2 years worth of useless probation, in which he visits his probation officer once a month and pays them $25 or so per visit.
He will have to pay into the Victim's Advocacy fund even though this was mostly a victimles crime ( as compared to a private home burglary... or a murder).
He will have to pay at least some of the money back. If he doesn't have it, then I am sure the probation department will help him find employment and take a percentage out of his wages.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:33 PM
He's pleading guilty from what I have heard. That means that he can now " throw himself on the mercy of the court" and a judge will sentence him. There will not be a trial by jury, as I understand the guilty plea thing..

He's betting on a judge being lenient because of Raven's single parent status, the loss of his wife ,etc..

His sentence will probably be 1 year and 1 day, commuted to Probation only. He will have a Felony conviction on his records forever.

I say the judge will give him 2 years worth of useless probation, in which he visits his probation officer once a month and pays them $25 or so per visit.
He will have to pay into the Victim's Advocacy fund even though this was mostly a victimles crime ( as compared to a private home burglary... or a murder).
He will have to pay at least some of the money back. If he doesn't have it, then I am sure the probation department will help him find employment and take a percentage out of his wages.

Wow Girl! You are amazing. I too had heard on the side that he had already plead guilty. But, with the info coming out that the ADA was planning on meeting with his lawyer in June, I thought maybe they were going to hammer out a deal for a guilty plea then. Remember, anything we hear that might have originated with Raven is probably wrong.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:43 PM
FuTBaLrGuY

Is the ebay name I thought Raven might have used, it corresponds with his MSN screen name.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:51 PM
It costs approximately $1,000 to $2,000 to outfit a soccer team.

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 01:57 PM
It costs approximately $1,000 to $2,000 to outfit a soccer team.
So.....5 months at $2,000 would be $10,000.00 (right around the figure of embezzlement???

golfmom
06-01-2005, 01:59 PM
So.....5 months at $2,000 would be $10,000.00 (right around the figure of embezzlement???

No, once the team has their jersey and stuff they're good. So the total to deck them out for a season would be $1-2,000 total. Then they can also reuse much of the gear for a few seasons too.

I figure he did take care of his buddies on the team, but also had a nice side business going off ebay. There was a FuTBaLrGuY ebayer that I can't pull the records for.

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:03 PM
No, once the team has their jersey and stuff they're good. So the total to deck them out for a season would be $1-2,000 total. Then they can also reuse much of the gear for a few seasons too.

I figure he did take care of his buddies on the team, but also had a nice side business going off ebay. There was a FuTBaLrGuY ebayer that I can't pull the records for.
Hmmm.............you are probably right. Do we know how many teams Raven played with?

Totally off this subject, I want to throw an idea out there that we haven't even discussed......

Could Raven have been bi-sexual? Do we know the alleged affairs were with women? Maybe it was men or boys.....just an idea.

cappuccina
06-01-2005, 02:04 PM
I'm assuming you're talking about an upper-end travel team of young men (i.e., relatively expensive stuff in men's sizes), as opposed to a low-end kid's rec. team??

Are you talking about just a typical "uniform package", i.e., 2 jerseys, 1 home, 1 away - 1 pair of socks and shorts (sometimes they throw in a ball with this, too), where the kid supplies the extras....or are you talking about supplying just about everything....uniform package, plus 1 pair extra socks, windsuit, bag, goalie gloves, wrist guards, etc., where the only thing the kid supplies is his jock and cup, shoes, and special undershirt (compression or sweat absorbing)...

golfmom....the typical "uniform package" is $150.00, multiplied by 15-16 players on a typical team = your ballpark figure...

Note that these costs go higher for high school and more specialized leagues because of the custom jerseys...also, the shoes can get quite expensive if they are supplied...

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:08 PM
Hmmm.............you are probably right. Do we know how many teams Raven played with?

Totally off this subject, I want to throw an idea out there that we haven't even discussed......

Could Raven have been bi-sexual? Do we know the alleged affairs were with women? Maybe it was men or boys.....just an idea.

You know, I've been noodling this idea around for awhile myself. It just seems to me that the report of affairs have been brief. No one really is specifying who he is having affairs with. I just haven't been brave enough to post my thoughts first!

Was it possible knowing what we know now that he could have been bi-sexual?

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:09 PM
I'm assuming you're talking about an upper-end travel team of young men (i.e., relatively expensive stuff in men's sizes), as opposed to a low-end kid's rec. team??
It doesn't appear that Raven did anything low-end!

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:09 PM
I'm assuming you're talking about an upper-end travel team of young men (i.e., relatively expensive stuff in men's sizes), as opposed to a low-end kid's rec. team??

Are you talking about just a typical "uniform package", i.e., 2 jerseys, 1 home, 1 away - 1 pair of socks and shorts (sometimes they throw in a ball with this, too), where the kid supplies the extras....or are you talking about supplying just about everything....uniform package, plus 1 pair extra socks, windsuit, bag, goalie gloves, wrist guards, etc., where the only thing the kid supplies is his jock and cup, shoes, and special undershirt (compression or sweat absorbing)...

These are adult leagues that we're talking about so I would think that they're more than the typical uniform package. And with Raven's inside connection to get top-of-the line gear I would think that his team was decked out fully.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:11 PM
Hmmm.............you are probably right. Do we know how many teams Raven played with?
.

I did hear that he played for more than one team. He lost his position on the company team when he was fired.

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:12 PM
You know, I've been noodling this idea around for awhile myself. It just seems to me that the report of affairs have been brief. No one really is specifying who he is having affairs with. I just haven't been brave enough to post my thoughts first!

Was it possible knowing what we know now that he could have been bi-sexual?
Well, we know that he didn't live his religion (stealing, affairs, etc.) so I don't think the bi-sexual thing would be that farfetched. What do we really know about his alleged affairs....nothing! Maybe they were with men.

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 02:12 PM
You know, I've been noodling this idea around for awhile myself. It just seems to me that the report of affairs have been brief. No one really is specifying who he is having affairs with. I just haven't been brave enough to post my thoughts first!

Was it possible knowing what we know now that he could have been bi-sexual?
I'm not sure he was, yet I did receive correspondence a few weeks ago that indicated the person writing felt that Raven seemed to "flirt" with men and women both in the office.

That could have been misinterpreted -- you never know. That would make this awfully similar to the Michael Peterson case, though, wouldn't it? Which also, if I recall, occurred in Durham.

Mr. A.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:14 PM
Well, we know that he didn't live his religion (stealing, affairs, etc.) so I don't think the bi-sexual thing would be that farfetched. What do we really know about his alleged affairs....nothing! Maybe they were with men.

We know that he was close with a few guys through soccer and his vx-club. Any speculations with whom he'd be intimate with ? ? ?

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:18 PM
We know that he was close with a few guys through soccer and his vx-club. Any speculations with whom he'd be intimate with ? ? ?
What I remember is that co-workers posted that he was unfaithful so maybe someone from work....but it would make sense to have it a fellow soccer player...someone that would understand his passion....of course, there is the possibility of it being multiple partners. That may explain why there hasn't been an "Amber Frye" that has come out in this matter....jmo, of course!

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:19 PM
I'm not sure he was, yet I did receive correspondence a few weeks ago that indicated the person writing felt that Raven seemed to "flirt" with men and women both in the office.

That could have been misinterpreted -- you never know. That would make this awfully similar to the Michael Peterson case, though, wouldn't it? Which also, if I recall, occurred in Durham.

Mr. A.
We may have something here!!!

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:21 PM
I'm not sure he was, yet I did receive correspondence a few weeks ago that indicated the person writing felt that Raven seemed to "flirt" with men and women both in the office.

That could have been misinterpreted -- you never know. That would make this awfully similar to the Michael Peterson case, though, wouldn't it? Which also, if I recall, occurred in Durham.

Mr. A.

Now you got "It's a small world after all ... it's a .... " stuck in my head
:croc:

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:23 PM
:laugh:
Now you got "It's a small world after all ... it's a .... " stuck in my head
:croc:
Great, now I do too:p

cappuccina
06-01-2005, 02:24 PM
...more like $200 or more a player, NOT including shoes...

Also, remember, Mr. Grandiose also probably liked to flaunt cash and take players out for something afterwards, and so on...

BTW...the ONLY reason, I posted about a possible "for hire" theory is that I believe that figuring out who actually committed this murder will depend when she was stabbed, and whether Raven was playing in/at the soccer game for the entire period he said he was...If the the crime clearly occurred during the soccer game, then he had help, otherwise, the murder occured before the game, and Kaiden was just left there (I don't even want to deal with that...)....(Or, he did an "OJ", and left and then returned during a long halftime break, or committed the murder just after the game and cleaned up/changed clothes...)

The questions I have, then are as follows:

1. How far was the soccer field from his house?

2. Did he stay and play for the whole game?

3. Was he there during the halftime break?

4. What is the time estimate of when Janet was stabbed to the time she
was found?

5. Where is the soccer uniform? It's weird to me that on the warrant, the police did not ask for/confiscate the uniform clothes/shoes, etc...

6. Was he a goalie? If so, goalies usually wear gloves and a larger oversized jersey over an undershirt or uniform shirt...easy to take off and discard...

Sorry to digress...didn't know where to put this....my opinion only...

I'll leave everyone else to speculate on the other stuff, like who he was possibly having an affair with! LOL

Thanks to everyone for the hard work they are doing on this!!

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:29 PM
cappuccina,

You put together an excellent list of questions! Unfortunately, until we start getting more info regarding the crime, tod, etc., we're all kindof stuck here.

I think that the hired-hit idea is one worth considering, I was just questioning the "there's no trace evidence" statement. Especially after Janet's family interview ... I'm holding out that there is forensic evidence and we're waiting for the lab.

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:30 PM
This is what is so frustrating about this case.....no facts. No statements about Janet's TOD, no statements whether Raven's alibi checked out, no statements about what else was examined (besides the first search warrant) where no soccer uniform is included or the searching of his VX or Motorcycle....no statements except it wasn't random and she was stabbed:banghead:

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 02:31 PM
Maybe the hit person was a soccer player and they traded gear instead of money????????

less0305
06-01-2005, 02:50 PM
We have soccer teams in our recreation department that spend tens of thousands of dollars on equipment, uniforms, trips to play against other leagues all over the United States, security for the games, referees, etc. If you went to one of the games, they are outfitted better than any Olympic team I've ever seen. Their uniforms look like something you can't even imagine. I swear the intricacies in the sewing puts Michael Jackson's royalty vests and arm bands to shame. Gold threads, etc. It's unbelievable!! I never dreamed people put that much money into a sports team that isn't even professional. But they raise money, have fundraisers and fork it over themselves. It blows my mind and I've participated in lots of types of recreation from Nascar to Harley Davidsons to horse shows to swim meets to ball teams.....they outdo anything I've ever been associated with.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 02:55 PM
If you went to one of the games, they are outfitted better than any Olympic team I've ever seen.

Less, that is a really interesting observation especially considering that this could be a regional thing and you're in NC.

ewwwinteresting
06-01-2005, 03:02 PM
I am surprised we haven't heard from any soccer teammate of Raven's. To my knowledge, nobody has come out and made a statement that he was at the game that night...maybe one of them will post and set us all straight with the soccer gear questions and the time of the game that night??

SewingDeb
06-01-2005, 04:18 PM
......$9000.00 is a LOT of merchandise, i wonder what it consists of..

...felony embezzlement, if he IS plaeding guilty, and it sounds like that's the case, anyone know the 'usual punishment' for that crime ?

If it was merchandise, did he sell it on eBay? I wonder if he has an active account on there.

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 04:28 PM
Well I've been told by an employee of Eurosport that he was caught accidentally by another employee. This could have happened from one buying from him on eBay, but this is purely speculation.




If it was merchandise, did he sell it on eBay? I wonder if he has an active account on there.

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 04:54 PM
Well I've been told by an employee of Eurosport that he was caught accidentally by another employee. This could have happened from one buying from him on eBay, but this is purely speculation.
I've heard exactly the same -- that he was virtually caught by accident, as well. Apparently he'd make dummy accounts in the computer ordering system and then send the items there, but he was always the actual recipient -- this last is a guess, but from the information I've received that's what it looks like. I'd love to see his e-Bay history, but you know, if his e-Bay stuff is inaccessible, it may be because he is still under investigation.

Mr. A

golfmom
06-01-2005, 04:56 PM
Try googling FuTBaLrGuY
you can see some ebay stuff, but can't access it other than feedback for a few buyers.

LvsAMystry
06-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Great info on the soccer equipment, I thought the issue had been stolen money so it's interesting to learn it was actually merchandise. I bet Golfmom is right that he sold this stuff on ebay. Too bad we can't get a history.

I've been trying to track down the actual soccer game -- I believe, and this is without tracking back to look, that MissYouJanet said he left the house about 7:30 PM and returned about 10:30 PM. If that's the case, I'm going to assume a playing time of one hour, another hour or so to account for warmup, possible late start, chatting, change afterwood, which leaves the last hour for r/t of 30 mins each way. Within those parameters, I tried to look for a league that had a game that fit the timeframe.

I first found the North Carolina Adult Soccer Assn, of which his friend, Daruis Ejlali, is President. NCASA (http://www.ncsoccer.org/ncasa/English.htm)

From there, I looked at the links of clubs/leagues that were in the geographic area that made sense timewise. You can view this info on the "Where to Play" link at top of homepage. Once looking at the different areas and deciding which made sense geographically, I then looked at each club/league to see whether any played the night of the murder. The only one I found is TASL (http://www.triangleadultsoccer.org/). If you go to schedule, you will see the Coed Section C plays on Tuesday nights. There were two games (so 4 teams) that had a game at 8:30 PM on that night, which fits. I wish I could confirm one way or the other, but this is the best I could come up with.

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 05:37 PM
I went to the crime scene today. It was raining, slightly, so I was a bit rushed in moving about the site. I got an eerie feeling as I approached the house. It is indeed sheltered from the road - completely. There was no indication that a crime had taken place there - no crime scene tape or anything. As I walked up the gravel driveway, I observed the creek, which is actually just a big ditch with moving water. I tried to take different shots of it, though again, I was rushed because of the rain. There's a dismantled desk in the driveway, which I included in the photos posted below. This may very well be remnants of the one that was in the office. I kept my distance, for some reason. There are several trees, as you can see in the pictures, which appear to be marked for removal. Perhaps the owner is doing this to improve the view and security of the home. The back yard is fenced, and I didn't enter it. There was a storage shed in the back yard, which I photo'd, though I didn't include it - didn't feel it was relevant. I saw the infamous side door and included a shot of it. I also climbed the steps of the front porch to find a pair of soccer shoes, which may be Janet's. They appear to be feminine in style. I peered through the windows to see that carpet had been ripped from the stairs - perhaps the entire house. The home was completely empty. It was apparent that no one is living there. There was a large trashcan outside, though I didn't think to open it. I also wanted to open the mailbox, but I really didn't want to tamper with federal property. This was a virgin experience for me. I hope the pictures provide some visualization. Thanks Golfmom for letting me use your photobucket account! Sorry these aren't in sequence. It would probably tell a better story. I took multiple photos of the creek/ditch because of our indepth discussion of the murderer cleaning up there. From my viewing of the scene, it wouldn't have been my first choice of places to clean up.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0014.jpg
View of the stairs from the front porch - carpet has been stripped

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0020.jpg
Their mailbox on the opposite side of the street

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0019.jpg
A view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0018.jpg
Another view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0017.jpg
Looking down the driveway from the front of the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0015.jpg
Soccer shoes on the front porch - possibly Janet's?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0010.jpg
The infamous side door

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0008.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0009.jpg
A dismantled desk - possibly the one from the office upstairs

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0007.jpg
View of the front of the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0006.jpg
Part of the driveway in front of the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0005.jpg
Walking up the driveway towards the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0004.jpg
Another view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0003.jpg
Another view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0002.jpg
Still receiving the paper

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0001.jpg
View of the driveway from the road. Eerie.

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 05:57 PM
NC Banker, you did superb sleuthing!!
Thank you for your hard work and the sharing of the photos!
Is the house for sale or rent by chance?
If so, I wonder if any of us can get a look inside.
Maybe we can contact that landlord who's been quoted in the paper and arrange for a walk through. His name is on the timeline thread. Would be interesting to get his views on the inside of the home...

wonder why the carpet was off the stairs. Was their blood on it?
Was Janet attacked in the bedroom/office or was she attacked in another room of the home and ended up there near a phone or something.

Thanks again!

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:00 PM
NC Banker:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y2...om/snap0001.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0001.jpg)
View of the driveway from the road. Eerie.

That picture looks like it had a for sale or for rent sign in it... would the number on that sign be visible? Would any sleuther dare to call it and arrange an inside walk through and photo shoot??
I think it would help us all get a feel of the house and the crime scene too.

Thanks again, great work!!!

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:02 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y2...om/snap0008.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0008.jpg)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y2...om/snap0009.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0009.jpg)
A dismantled desk - possibly the one from the office upstairs

This is the desk where the computer must've sat... wasn't there a palm pilot charger and papers taken from that desk, perhaps because they had fingerprints and/or blood splatters on them? I wonder why Raven didn't take the desk when he moved ... or Janet's pretty soccer shoes. That photo was eerie.
The desk might have hidden meaning. Maybe not....wonder if there was blood on it?

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 06:02 PM
NCBanker--Would you think that Janet and Raven would have used the side door as their main entrance to the house? Curious to know if the driveway went all the way up there or not.

Good job on the pictures!

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 06:12 PM
The home may be for sale or rent, though there is no indication of this on the exterior of the property.

I thought about checking for unlocked doors, but again, I didn't want to be charged with trespassing/breaking and entering. Whether the door is unlocked or not, if you enter, you've "broken" the invisible perimeter of the home.

The sign in front of the home is merely the address and not a for sale sign.

The driveway leads right up to the side door. However, my hunch is that they may have used the front door as well, because of the soccer shoes on the front porch, as if they removed them prior to going inside. Though they could have simply kept them out front because it was covered, and the side entry was not. Some people like to air out their shoes.



NC Banker, you did superb sleuthing!!
Thank you for your hard work and the sharing of the photos!
Is the house for sale or rent by chance?
If so, I wonder if any of us can get a look inside.
Maybe we can contact that landlord who's been quoted in the paper and arrange for a walk through. His name is on the timeline thread. Would be interesting to get his views on the inside of the home...

wonder why the carpet was off the stairs. Was their blood on it?
Was Janet attacked in the bedroom/office or was she attacked in another room of the home and ended up there near a phone or something.

Thanks again!

lauriej
06-01-2005, 06:13 PM
wow.............GREAT job NCB!!

.....you have really given us all a feel for the area !

...there's only the one newspaper, someone must be picking it up daily...( raven, when he comes to town to 'assist LE"...?)

...i would assume that LE ripped up that carpeting on the stairs, so quite possibly there was blood there and it's at the crime lab now..

...the desk,, just left out in the middle of the drive like that...odd....

...pics of the creek..........it's so overgrown , now it really amazes me that a dime was found there and listed on the evidence sheet...

...VERY daring of you to get the pics...........(.i'd have been terrified that raven or the owner would drive in !)..thanks again !

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 06:14 PM
I didn't get close enough to examine it. I suspected immediately that it was THE desk from the office where she was found. The distance shown in the photo is as close as I got to it. Be sure to note that I included two pictures of it. I started with one, but went back and added it later. The second one is a better shot.




http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y2...om/snap0008.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0008.jpg)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y2...om/snap0009.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0009.jpg)
A dismantled desk - possibly the one from the office upstairs

This is the desk where the computer must've sat... wasn't there a palm pilot charger and papers taken from that desk, perhaps because they had fingerprints and/or blood splatters on them? I wonder why Raven didn't take the desk when he moved ... or Janet's pretty soccer shoes. That photo was eerie.
The desk might have hidden meaning. Maybe not....wonder if there was blood on it?

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 06:14 PM
The people who know Scott and Laci have no doubt whatsoever that he has nothing to do with her disappearance. I mean, this was a couple everybody envied. They were just so much in love. I mean, they were a couple, they were partners, they were a team...

~ Sharon Rocha, as quoted by Catherine Crier in A Deadly Game

...I have known Janet all my life as well as her family. I know that everyone is probably looking at Raven as a prime suspect, but I truely believe that Raven is not capable of such a thing. Raven is a very handsome man and Janet a beautiful woman. Any jealous person could have done this(...)

...As a final note, Janet was the most forgiving person I have ever known. I know that she has forgiven whoever did this to her...

~ A person going by "LO" in a comment on this weblog entry (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000741.html) at The Dark Side.

I'm reading Crier's book, and the quote by Sharon Rocha is literally the first thing you see. I was struck by the similarity in the comments, though it should be noted that "LO" is not even a relative of the Christiansens.

I have a feeling bells will be going off the entire time I'm reading this book.

Mr. A

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 06:16 PM
That side door is not the same door that we were seeing in the pictures of Kaiden on the counter.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0417.JPG

Maybe those doors are on the east side? Leading into the back yard?

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:18 PM
I've heard exactly the same -- that he was virtually caught by accident, as well. Apparently he'd make dummy accounts in the computer ordering system and then send the items there, but he was always the actual recipient -- this last is a guess, but from the information I've received that's what it looks like. I'd love to see his e-Bay history, but you know, if his e-Bay stuff is inaccessible, it may be because he is still under investigation.

Mr. A
I did some searches on ebay. There is a seller named ravenpeters but is listed in the UK.

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:20 PM
That side door is not the same door that we were seeing in the pictures of Kaiden on the counter.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0417.JPG

Maybe those doors are on the east side? Leading into the back yard?
it looks like in the picture... only one is a real door... the other might be a window. I am wondering what part of the house that is on...

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 06:21 PM
I was completely terrified. I went to bed last night with the thought that someone associated with the crime may be monitoring this thread, and could possibly show up while I was there (remember I posted last night that I was going to go to the crime scene this morning). I felt so stupid for having posted that last night. I could just imagine LE showing up, wanting to know who I'd been talking to associated with case, etc. While I was there, I kept waiting for Raven to come driving up the driveway. I was prepared, however, to talk to him. He and my cousin (another cousin - not the one in LE) attended SVU together. Actually, my cousin attended when Janet went back to school. Raven would visit on the weekends and they would double date with my cousin and his girlfriend.

I felt as if I was doing something wrong by being there. You know, the feeling you get in your gut when you're up to no good? I've experienced it before, so I know what it is!



...VERY daring of you to get the pics...........(.i'd have been terrified that raven or the owner would drive in !)..thanks again ![/QUOTE]

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:23 PM
I did some searches on ebay. There is a seller named ravenpeters but is listed in the UK.
also
samuelpeters (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=samuelpeters&frm=2624)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 0 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=samuelpeters) ) 2 years 7 months http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifVA, United States http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif

and
samuel_peter (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=samuel_peter&frm=2624)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 21 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=samuel_peter)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconYellowStar_25x25.gif) 3 years 7 months http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifUT, United States http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif




hmmm

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 06:23 PM
For the entry titled The Murder of Janet Abaroa... On the Record (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000741.html) I received the following comment, just a short time ago:


To whomever,

I am sorry but it is very much true that Raven had not only one but MULTIPLE affairs. Even Janet knew this. I do not argue that Janet was a forgiving person, as she did, in fact, forgive him.
Janet was one of the most sweet,trusting, and unfortunatley, naive people I have ever met. She knew what was going on because Raven was so careless with her feelings that he TOLD HER about these affairs. The two were actually seperated when they discovered they were pregnant. Kaiden is the reason why they got back together.

I cannot imagine the pain and grief that Janet went through. I pray for her every day, as well as her family. I do not doubt that she kept all of this to herself, as she was a guarded and private person.

But please PLEASE do not think Raven is a saint because he is good looking and throws around the religous thing. Belive me, it is now and has always been nothing but a tool for his manipulation. Do not take A SINGLE ASPECT of him for granted as being what is appears to be. I could go on, but I do not wish to identify myself as I am sure he will be reading this.

I wish that I did not know these things are true, but I do.

Because the person commented and knew it would be read, as they stated, I felt I could re-post it here.

Mr. A.

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 06:25 PM
I didn't go into the back yard, though I did peer around the back of the house. I didn't notice, however, any doors on the back of the house, though there may very well be one.


it looks like in the picture... only one is a real door... the other might be a window. I am wondering what part of the house that is on...

golfmom
06-01-2005, 06:38 PM
I don't remember seeing carpet from the stairs in the search warrant!

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:42 PM
I don't remember seeing carpet from the stairs in the search warrant!
is there a second search warrant that we may not know about?

vero
06-01-2005, 06:43 PM
I don't remember seeing carpet from the stairs in the search warrant!
Do we have info that the stairs were carpeted? It seems odd that LE would take the whole thing, rather than just removing portions that were stained.

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 06:44 PM
Well if I were the owner of the house and needed to rent it as soon as possible, I would do everything I could to erase the thought that it had been a murder scene. That would mean changing the carpet (to reassure the new buyers that it's clean from any blood), painting, and cutting down trees that seclude the site.


I don't remember seeing carpet from the stairs in the search warrant!

PrayersForMaura
06-01-2005, 06:44 PM
If anyone is daring or in the area, this is the landlord's name and number.
Maybe he would give a sleuther a tour... maybe not...

Greijn, Peter - Referral Realty (http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&tuid=2785718&ck=502442721&tab=B2C&tcat=24264784&city=Raleigh&state=NC&uzip=27601&country=us&msa=6640&cs=4&ed=HyAFUK1o2TykJCUbwb_86wmgpTWCS5EoNZmp55CTg2Z8&stat=<img src=)
(919) 851-0395 5511 Hillsborough St
Raleigh, NC Map (http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&tuid=2785718&ck=502442721&tab=B2C&tcat=24264784&city=Raleigh&state=NC&uzip=27601&country=us&msa=6640&cs=4&ed=HyAFUK1o2TykJCUbwb_86wmgpTWCS5EoNZmp55CTg2Z8&stat=<img src=)


property inquiring about:
2606 Ferrand Dr, Durham, NC 27705 (http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=17&X=6824&Y=39903&W=1&qs=2606+Ferrand+Drive%7cdurham%7cnorth+carolina%7c&Addr=2606+Ferrand+Dr%2c+Durham%2c+NC+27705&ALon=-78.9745745&ALat=36.0401898)
three-bedroom home
gravel driveway and the wooded yard of the secluded property.

vero
06-01-2005, 06:45 PM
Well if I were the owner of the house and needed to rent it as soon as possible, I would do everything I could to erase the thought that it had been a murder scene. That would mean changing the carpet (to reassure the new buyers that it's clean from any blood), painting, and cutting down trees that seclude the site.
That makes a lot of sense. I would, too.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 07:27 PM
We know that he was close with a few guys through soccer and his vx-club. Any speculations with whom he'd be intimate with ? ? ?
Oh, lordy!! A gay affair, and Janet finding out, would certaintly be motive for murder. Just happened on One Life To Live, BTW. LOL.

Seriously, with his religious background ( sketchy as it is ,it appears that he was trying to be a practicing LDS ,because one of the captions with Kaiden was that they were doing their home teaching lesson, which is a function of the priesthood for LDS) a homosexual affair and discovery by Janet would probably cause him to have to relinquish ALL parental rights. I don't mean this to sound bigoted, but it I was Janet's mother and knew this, I would have flown her to Mexico or somewhere for a quickie divorce.
A murder plot with a gay lover as the alibi could well be the sticking point right now.
Just speculation.. I hadn't even considered that he might be bi-sexual. God, I must be getting OLD.

Note to Raven: Hon, you are just going to LUV prison. :)

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 07:29 PM
I wonder if that is a mostly rental district. I only see one pool.
I've always read that rental areas have higher violent crimes.. not sure why though.



If anyone is daring or in the area, this is the landlord's name and number.
Maybe he would give a sleuther a tour... maybe not...

Greijn, Peter - Referral Realty (http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&tuid=2785718&ck=502442721&tab=B2C&tcat=24264784&city=Raleigh&state=NC&uzip=27601&country=us&msa=6640&cs=4&ed=HyAFUK1o2TykJCUbwb_86wmgpTWCS5EoNZmp55CTg2Z8&stat=<img src=)
(919) 851-0395 5511 Hillsborough St
Raleigh, NC Map (http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&tuid=2785718&ck=502442721&tab=B2C&tcat=24264784&city=Raleigh&state=NC&uzip=27601&country=us&msa=6640&cs=4&ed=HyAFUK1o2TykJCUbwb_86wmgpTWCS5EoNZmp55CTg2Z8&stat=<img src=)


property inquiring about:
2606 Ferrand Dr, Durham, NC 27705 (http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=17&X=6824&Y=39903&W=1&qs=2606+Ferrand+Drive%7cdurham%7cnorth+carolina%7c&Addr=2606+Ferrand+Dr%2c+Durham%2c+NC+27705&ALon=-78.9745745&ALat=36.0401898)
three-bedroom home
gravel driveway and the wooded yard of the secluded property.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 07:31 PM
Well, we know that he didn't live his religion (stealing, affairs, etc.) so I don't think the bi-sexual thing would be that farfetched. What do we really know about his alleged affairs....nothing! Maybe they were with men.
And I have been sitting here wondering for days why no woman had come forth and sold her story to the NE or other tab!!! Maybe there wasn't " another woman".

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 07:34 PM
This is actually mostly residential. I noticed no other visible rental properties. Visible meaning out of place, not well kept, cars in the yard, etc. I was actually surprised that the neighborhood was as nice as it was.


I wonder if that is a mostly rental district. I only see one pool.
I've always read that rental areas have higher violent crimes.. not sure why though.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 07:37 PM
We may have something here!!!
I had a very strong reaction to this, a " Yes" kind of thing.. It so totally makes sense. He was competitive with men, he felt himself to be inferior to other men, he boasted and tried to curry favor with other men. We know NOTHING about his actions towards other women, except that he had indiscriminate sex while he and Janet were separated, and took that to mean " with women".

He was very anxious to be noticed by and to please MEN. We have absolutely NO information that would suggest that he was into attracting women to him. Nothing.
That could be one reason that his " soccer background information" was padded.. He wanted to appear to be more of a jock type than he was.

Also, my husband would not be caught dead in all that logo stuff. He thinks it's very sissified, and he is only about 6 years older than Raven.
You can clearly see some of it in the background of the shot with him holding Kaiden at the computer the day before the murder. He was also wearing a shirt with a logo on it.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 07:42 PM
No, once the team has their jersey and stuff they're good. So the total to deck them out for a season would be $1-2,000 total. Then they can also reuse much of the gear for a few seasons too.

I figure he did take care of his buddies on the team, but also had a nice side business going off ebay. There was a FuTBaLrGuY ebayer that I can't pull the records for.I couldn't find that much on eBay. I found these two records:
futballguy (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=futballguy&frm=2624) ( 8 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=futballguy) ) 2 years 7 months OR, United States
futballguy3 (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=futballguy3&frm=2624)( 1 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=futballguy3) ) 1 year ND, United States

No selling of sports equipment on the two other names either.
SamuelPeters has NO activity. If he had ever used the account, it would still have info.
Samuelpeter was a seller of old flatware and some fugly Pyrex bowls.. Interesting that they were yellow and placed in the shape of a beehive for the photo though.. Beehive state is Utah, place where Mormons get temple garments is called The Beehive.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 07:58 PM
Thank you so much for the photos. I'm glad she had a nice little house. The setting is very pretty. A few thoughts: unless Janet had enormous sized feet, I would say those are mens 10.5 sized shoes, the size Raven wears.

If police took the desk apart, why didn't they remove it from the premises for lab testing?
I wonder if it was broken in a struggle in the office room during the murder!

What was that stuff on the ground by the creek which looked to be a maroon color or a shade of red? Did all the vegetation appear normal and intact to you?

Thanks so much for going and taking these great photos.


I went to the crime scene today. It was raining, slightly, so I was a bit rushed in moving about the site. I got an eerie feeling as I approached the house. It is indeed sheltered from the road - completely. There was no indication that a crime had taken place there - no crime scene tape or anything. As I walked up the gravel driveway, I observed the creek, which is actually just a big ditch with moving water. I tried to take different shots of it, though again, I was rushed because of the rain. There's a dismantled desk in the driveway, which I included in the photos posted below. This may very well be remnants of the one that was in the office. I kept my distance, for some reason. There are several trees, as you can see in the pictures, which appear to be marked for removal. Perhaps the owner is doing this to improve the view and security of the home. The back yard is fenced, and I didn't enter it. There was a storage shed in the back yard, which I photo'd, though I didn't include it - didn't feel it was relevant. I saw the infamous side door and included a shot of it. I also climbed the steps of the front porch to find a pair of soccer shoes, which may be Janet's. They appear to be feminine in style. I peered through the windows to see that carpet had been ripped from the stairs - perhaps the entire house. The home was completely empty. It was apparent that no one is living there. There was a large trashcan outside, though I didn't think to open it. I also wanted to open the mailbox, but I really didn't want to tamper with federal property. This was a virgin experience for me. I hope the pictures provide some visualization. Thanks Golfmom for letting me use your photobucket account! Sorry these aren't in sequence. It would probably tell a better story. I took multiple photos of the creek/ditch because of our indepth discussion of the murderer cleaning up there. From my viewing of the scene, it wouldn't have been my first choice of places to clean up.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0014.jpg
View of the stairs from the front porch - carpet has been stripped

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0020.jpg
Their mailbox on the opposite side of the street

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0019.jpg
A view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0018.jpg
Another view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0017.jpg
Looking down the driveway from the front of the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0015.jpg
Soccer shoes on the front porch - possibly Janet's?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0010.jpg
The infamous side door

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0008.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0009.jpg
A dismantled desk - possibly the one from the office upstairs

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0007.jpg
View of the front of the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0006.jpg
Part of the driveway in front of the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0005.jpg
Walking up the driveway towards the house

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0004.jpg
Another view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0003.jpg
Another view of the creek/ditch

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0002.jpg
Still receiving the paper

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0001.jpg
View of the driveway from the road. Eerie.

Moxie
06-01-2005, 08:11 PM
Thank you so much for the photos. I'm glad she had a nice little house. The setting is very pretty. A few thoughts: unless Janet had enormous sized feet, I would say those are mens 10.5 sized shoes, the size Raven wears.

If police took the desk apart, why didn't they remove it from the premises for lab testing?
I wonder if it was broken in a struggle in the office room during the murder!

What was that stuff on the ground by the creek which looked to be a maroon color or a shade of red? Did all the vegetation appear normal and intact to you?

Thanks so much for going and taking these great photos.
Hi guys,

What a sad picture of the shoes - I think it might be the angle that makes them look a little bigger - Janet wore about a women's size 8 1/2. It makes me sad to see that he left her shoes there. Cleaned out all his stuff and moved it all out but left her shoes there ignored and discarded. That is so sad. Callous.

That says a lot. About Raven.
Moxie

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 08:14 PM
Hi guys,

What a sad picture of the shoes - I think it might be the angle that makes them look a little bigger - Janet wore about a women's size 8 1/2. It makes me sad to see that he left her shoes there. Cleaned out all his stuff and moved it all out but left her shoes there ignored and discarded. That is so sad. Callous.

That says a lot. About Raven.
Moxie
That really does say a lot about his character, huh? I think that I would probably sleep with any reminder of my deceased spouse that I could possibly find in order to feel closer to them. How sad that he just left the shoes.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:15 PM
lostmyjobsales (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=lostmyjobsales&frm=2624)(private) (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lostmyjobsales) 4 years 5 months NC, United States

Check out the FB- had intensive activity for a 12 month period, over 200 transactions, then nothing since.
HMMM.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:16 PM
Yes, those could be ladies 8.5 narrow width. Would fit with Janet's size.

I still think the desk has been BROKEN not dismantled.


Hi guys,

What a sad picture of the shoes - I think it might be the angle that makes them look a little bigger - Janet wore about a women's size 8 1/2. It makes me sad to see that he left her shoes there. Cleaned out all his stuff and moved it all out but left her shoes there ignored and discarded. That is so sad. Callous.

That says a lot. About Raven.
Moxie

golfmom
06-01-2005, 08:17 PM
This is sooooo him ....

User ID Effective Date End Date

lostmyjobsales Jan-19-05 Present


futbalrguy Nov-15-03 Jan-19-05


dc-friend Mar-14-01 Nov-15-03


dc-raven Jan-04-01 Mar-14-01


*******@ravenstree.com Dec-17-00 Jan-04-01



eBay hides parts of User IDs with "*" to protect member privacy.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 08:21 PM
Doesn't dc refer to a soccer team that he was a fan of?

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 08:21 PM
lostmyjobsales (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=lostmyjobsales&frm=2624)(private) (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lostmyjobsales) 4 years 5 months NC, United States

Check out the FB- had intensive activity for a 12 month period, over 200 transactions, then nothing since.
HMMM.
You guys are amazing when it comes to this stuff. :clap: to you!

Chica
06-01-2005, 08:27 PM
I just want to add my deepest appreciation to NCB for the excellent sleuthing - it really puts things in perspective - THANK YOU!!

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:34 PM
You guys are amazing when it comes to this stuff. :clap: to you!
I am so psyched to have actually found something myself. :)
Usually I am the one standing in the middle of the road going " What truck?"
I must say, though, that eBay was, unfortunately, very familiar to me. Past tense.

LE needs to know all of this. They can track his activity through eBay's records. Of course, we know what he was selling, but still.... this is hard evidence of it and they may not have the eBay records.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 08:36 PM
I am so psyched to have actually found something myself. :)
Usually I am the one standing in the middle of the road going " What truck?"
I must say, though, that eBay was, unfortunately, very familiar to me. Past tense.

LE needs to know all of this. They can track his activity through eBay's records. Of course, we know what he was selling, but still.... this is hard evidence of it and they may not have the eBay records.

I can make sure it gets passed on. But, I suspect they already have this info.

I usually end up saying "What deer?" .... Why can't I ever see those suckers!

BTW ........... GREAT JOB!!!!!

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 08:41 PM
I can make sure it gets passed on. But, I suspect they already have this info.

I usually end up saying "What deer?" .... Why can't I ever see those suckers!

BTW ........... GREAT JOB!!!!!
Can they really track that kind of stuff without his computer? IMO, it looks like this investigation is not very thorough. But what do I know, really?

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:42 PM
This totally makes my day. :)
I also think there may be truth to the DC moniker. He may have used it online at a dating site. They are often for gays or bi-sexual people who want to be anonymous until first meeting.



I can make sure it gets passed on. But, I suspect they already have this info.

I usually end up saying "What deer?" .... Why can't I ever see those suckers!

BTW ........... GREAT JOB!!!!!

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 08:43 PM
The desk wasn't broken. It was actually carefully taken apart. I have some experience with these types of desks, and they aren't easy to put together much less take apart. I imagine LE or the landlord carefully dismantled it in either getting a piece for testing, or to get it completely out of the house. It's also possible Raven took it apart and intends to pick it up. They may have had him get it out because the new carpet is scheduled to by installed shortly.

Relative to the creek, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I tried to imagine someone running down to it to wash up, and it just doesn't seem plausible. It's too overgrown.


Yes, those could be ladies 8.5 narrow width. Would fit with Janet's size.

I still think the desk has been BROKEN not dismantled.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:44 PM
Jennifred, Ebay has offices. They keep records of all transactions. In fact, eBay's phone number for power sellers, in case anyone wants to phone them is
1-800-322-9266



Can they really track that kind of stuff without his computer? IMO, it looks like this investigation is not very thorough. But what do I know, really?

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 08:48 PM
I can see a large irregular shaped piece which, to my untrained eye, appears to be broken. I guess it was cut to fit the space or something.
What kind of desk is it? A do it yourself Sauder type product or Ikea or what?
Looks abandoned to me.. would it still be good to go after being out in rain, etc for a month? I agree that it is in pieces to remove it from the house..
Of course, the computer or computers were already gone. How ironic that, out of all things remaining of Janet and Raven, the thing remaining of hers are a pair of her soccer shoes, her passion.
Raven left his computer desk behind, computers being his " dream job".




The desk wasn't broken. It was actually carefully taken apart. I have some experience with these types of desks, and they aren't easy to put together much less take apart. I imagine LE or the landlord carefully dismantled it in either getting a piece for testing, or to get it completely out of the house. It's also possible Raven took it apart and intends to pick it up. They may have had him get it out because the new carpet is scheduled to by installed shortly.

Relative to the creek, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I tried to imagine someone running down to it to wash up, and it just doesn't seem plausible. It's too overgrown.

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 09:00 PM
The desk didn't appear to have been weathered. It is indeed the type you put together, not high-end. It hasn't been out there long. The piece you refer to is a custom cut and not broken.


I can see a large irregular shaped piece which, to my untrained eye, appears to be broken. I guess it was cut to fit the space or something.
What kind of desk is it? A do it yourself Sauder type product or Ikea or what?
Looks abandoned to me.. would it still be good to go after being out in rain, etc for a month? I agree that it is in pieces to remove it from the house..
Of course, the computer or computers were already gone. How ironic that, out of all things remaining of Janet and Raven, the thing remaining of hers are a pair of her soccer shoes, her passion.
Raven left his computer desk behind, computers being his " dream job".

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 09:06 PM
The desk didn't appear to have been weathered. It is indeed the type you put together, not high-end. It hasn't been out there long. The piece you refer to is a custom cut and not broken.

Thanks for the additional info!!
You did a terrific job.. wonderful.

I think it is so poignant that computers sort of stand for who Raven thinks he is, and his computer desk is all he left behind, and Janet was so into soccer, and her soccer shoes are all that remain of her.

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 09:17 PM
I'm being told they may be Raven's shoes, not Janet's. Please don't make me go back!!!


Thanks for the additional info!!
You did a terrific job.. wonderful.

I think it is so poignant that computers sort of stand for who Raven thinks he is, and his computer desk is all he left behind, and Janet was so into soccer, and her soccer shoes are all that remain of her.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 09:26 PM
:laugh:
I'm being told they may be Raven's shoes, not Janet's. Please don't make me go back!!!

No, we've named you supersleuther of the month, so you get a free pass for a week!

Edited to add: Those are some pretty damn girly shoes.

Jenifred
06-01-2005, 09:30 PM
:laugh:

No, we've named you supersleuther of the month, so you get a free pass for a week!

Edited to add: Those are some pretty damn girly shoes.
I also think they look pretty girly, but maybe P.Ness was attracted to shiny things.

On a serious note, do we know if Janet was still playing soccer? We haven't heard much on her playing with a league or anything. Anyone out there know?

misterallgood
06-01-2005, 09:37 PM
Okay, no guarantees of nothin' here, but I wanted to let y'all know that I e-mailed crime writer Kathryn Casey about this murder, so it will be interesting to see if she has anything to say about it. Here's her website -- http://www.kathryncasey.com/index.htm. (http://www.kathryncasey.com/index.htm)

Since I don't have an agent or anything, I figured it would be nice to get a real crime writer's interest stoked about this case.

She's buddies with Ann Rule, and her book She Wanted it All can be found on Amazon.com.

Mr. A.

**edited to add -- here is a link (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=664028&postcount=2) to a post of Janet's brother Brad's eulogy given for her at her funeral on May 9th, 2005 -- in the discussion thread begun by golfmom for memorials.

golfmom
06-01-2005, 10:14 PM
On a serious note, do we know if Janet was still playing soccer? We haven't heard much on her playing with a league or anything. Anyone out there know?

Jen, my understanding is that Janet did still play soccer, just not competitively.

I hope that helps!

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 10:37 PM
I'm being told they may be Raven's shoes, not Janet's. Please don't make me go back!!!

You mosey back down there and try those shoes on. I want a picture!!

Seriously, I can't see a man wearing metallic silver anything except sunglasses in the way of clothing accessories.

You really did great! I feel more like I have a feeling for the crimescene than I did before. I bet she liked the house a lot. Oh, this is so sad.

SewingDeb
06-01-2005, 10:45 PM
Well I've been told by an employee of Eurosport that he was caught accidentally by another employee. This could have happened from one buying from him on eBay, but this is purely speculation.

Very possible. Thanks.

LvsAMystry
06-01-2005, 10:46 PM
Wow, great pictures, NCBanker. Thanks!

helloyellow
06-01-2005, 10:58 PM
NCBanker I can't imagine how paranoid you must have been when you were taking those pictures.

anneshirley
06-01-2005, 11:04 PM
Okay, no guarantees of nothin' here, but I wanted to let y'all know that I e-mailed crime writer Kathryn Casey about this murder, so it will be interesting to see if she has anything to say about it. Here's her website -- http://www.kathryncasey.com/index.htm. (http://www.kathryncasey.com/index.htm)

Since I don't have an agent or anything, I figured it would be nice to get a real crime writer's interest stoked about this case.

She's buddies with Ann Rule, and her book She Wanted it All can be found on Amazon.com.

Mr. A.

**edited to add -- here is a link (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=664028&postcount=2) to a post of Janet's brother Brad's eulogy given for her at her funeral on May 9th, 2005 -- in the discussion thread begun by golfmom for memorials.
Did anyone else notice the reference to Raven in the eulogy? It seems almost like he's talking about Raven fondly. You'd think that if they were suspicious of Raven, he wouldn't have been mentioned sincerely in a eulogy (Side note: he was mentioned in a similar manner by one of her soccer teammates giving the eulogy at the funeral service in Buena Vista). Thoughts, anyone?

LvsAMystry
06-01-2005, 11:11 PM
I think I found one additional ebay identity, not marked as affliated with the other ones for some reason. I'm technically deficient and don't know how to make a screenshot, sorry.

Anyhow, the ebay name is dcraven (no hyphen like the other one) and it's out of NC also. Lots of activity from 99 onward, right up to May 30 even. Looks like lots of car parts and what not.

Not sure if this will work, but here is link to that profile: dcraven ebay profile (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=dcraven&item=-1&frompage=222)

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 11:13 PM
Well I wasn't paranoid, exactly. I was prepared for whatever might happen. Believe me, I've been in some tight fixes before, and I was prepared to talk my way out of it. I played out a lot of "what if's" in my mind in order to be ready for whatever. While the house is secluded, it's not completely cut off from the rest of the neighborhood. In fact, the neighboring house is quite visible.


NCBanker I can't imagine how paranoid you must have been when you were taking those pictures.

Samurai
06-01-2005, 11:17 PM
You mosey back down there and try those shoes on. I want a picture!!

Seriously, I can't see a man wearing metallic silver anything except sunglasses in the way of clothing accessories.

You really did great! I feel more like I have a feeling for the crimescene than I did before. I bet she liked the house a lot. Oh, this is so sad.

Just showed my husband the picture of the shoes because he said some men do wear metallic ones. He said---There's an envelope right by them so you could kind of tell the size from there, but look up the Nike style.

Very sharp eyes. Have no idea of how to look up the Nike style, but thought maybe someone else might be able to ascertain whether they are men's or women's.

Chica
06-01-2005, 11:24 PM
I think I found one additional ebay identity, not marked as affliated with the other ones for some reason. I'm technically deficient and don't know how to make a screenshot, sorry.

Anyhow, the ebay name is dcraven (no hyphen like the other one) and it's out of NC also. Lots of activity from 99 onward, right up to May 30 even. Looks like lots of car parts and what not.

Not sure if this will work, but here is link to that profile: dcraven ebay profile (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=dcraven&item=-1&frompage=222)

I think this is probably not Raven...it seems a lot of the things bought via ebay are parts for a Ford Mustang...???

SewingDeb
06-01-2005, 11:28 PM
I think this is probably not Raven...it seems a lot of the things bought via ebay are parts for a Ford Mustang...???

There's another raven on eBay:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=raven67pony

I found this one while looking at feedback shown on the link you are referring to. Apparently the two did business (would Raven make his own feedback look good?).

LvsAMystry
06-01-2005, 11:31 PM
I think this is probably not Raven...it seems a lot of the things bought via ebay are parts for a Ford Mustang...???

Yea, I did wonder about that so wasn't sure. Odd there would be two dcravens in NC, although the d or the dc could just be initials rather than anything else, such as the soccer team DC United.

juliagoulia
06-01-2005, 11:36 PM
Just showed my husband the picture of the shoes because he said some men do wear metallic ones. He said---There's an envelope right by them so you could kind of tell the size from there, but look up the Nike style.

Very sharp eyes. Have no idea of how to look up the Nike style, but thought maybe someone else might be able to ascertain whether they are men's or women's.
There are some shoes that look similar on www.soccer.com (http://www.soccer.com/). Incidentally, this is the Eurosport site where Raven used to work.

Chica
06-01-2005, 11:38 PM
Just showed my husband the picture of the shoes because he said some men do wear metallic ones. He said---There's an envelope right by them so you could kind of tell the size from there, but look up the Nike style.

Very sharp eyes. Have no idea of how to look up the Nike style, but thought maybe someone else might be able to ascertain whether they are men's or women's.

I think they may be Ravens...here is a link: http://www.soccerworldtx.com/Footwear.html
they are in the sixth row down, far right pair of shoes.

Here is the description: Nike Mercurial Vapor Chrome Reg. $174.95

NCBanker
06-01-2005, 11:38 PM
Since there's been so much discussion on the shoes, here's another photo I took, which I left out earlier...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0013.jpg




There are some shoes that look similar on www.soccer.com (http://www.soccer.com/). Incidentally, this is the Eurosport site where Raven used to work.

juliagoulia
06-01-2005, 11:38 PM
There are some shoes that look similar on www.soccer.com (http://www.soccer.com/). Incidentally, this is the Eurosport site where Raven used to work.
Here is the exact shoe, I believe :
http://www.soccer.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1024&pcount=&Product_Id=107043

Chica
06-01-2005, 11:44 PM
Here is the exact shoe, I believe :
http://www.soccer.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1024&pcount=&Product_Id=107043
I think you're right...I just assumed that it was a pair of men's shoes...but they look too narrow to be men's shoes...

anneshirley
06-01-2005, 11:51 PM
Here is the exact shoe, I believe :
http://www.soccer.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1024&pcount=&Product_Id=107043
Wow. I think you're right, too. nice job, JG!
:clap:

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 11:54 PM
There's another raven on eBay:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=raven67pony

I found this one while looking at feedback shown on the link you are referring to. Apparently the two did business (would Raven make his own feedback look good?).

I have found that I did repeat business with the same people because when you are into something rather unusual or expensive, or both, the market of sellers is rather narrow. Sometimes, it will be the same seller to buyer and vice versa many times. Once two people trust each other as transaction partners, the buyer tends to look for the seller's items.

Also, eBay has a feature where you add your favorite seller searches, so you can pull up everything currently for sale by MustangSally or whomever.

Thinkoflaura
06-01-2005, 11:59 PM
I think they may be Ravens...here is a link: http://www.soccerworldtx.com/Footwear.html
they are in the sixth row down, far right pair of shoes.

Here is the description: Nike Mercurial Vapor Chrome Reg. $174.95

Good grief!! $175 shoes left out on the porch? Not at my house.
And how utterly sad that her empty shoes are left there, for all who do come by to see.

I would give anything to be within driving distance of Durham NC. I'd love to see inside the house.. I keep wondering if he left her clothes in the house?

I KNOW he took his top name brand stuff with him.

SewingDeb
06-02-2005, 12:00 AM
I have found that I did repeat business with the same people because when you are into something rather unusual or expensive, or both, the market of sellers is rather narrow. Sometimes, it will be the same seller to buyer and vice versa many times. Once two people trust each other as transaction partners, the buyer tends to look for the seller's items.

Also, eBay has a feature where you add your favorite seller searches, so you can pull up everything currently for sale by MustangSally or whomever.

I was thinking the Raven I found could be another user Id of RA. Probably not.

Thinkoflaura
06-02-2005, 12:01 AM
I think I know where and how Raven got Janet's Christmas jewelry shown in the video too.. You know, the stuff she didn't look thrilled about?

http://www.soccer.com/IWCatSectionView.process?IWAction=Load&Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1167&Sort=Product_Name

Thinkoflaura
06-02-2005, 12:04 AM
I was thinking the Raven I found could be another user Id of RA. Probably not.

Chances are, he only had the one eBay ID, because of the number of times he changed it. If he was using more than 1, then there would be little need to change it to something else, IMHO.
The dates and sale peaks which we can see coincide with the theft dates pretty well too.

Also, eBay does not like it at all when a person has 2 eBay IDs. I think it's OK if all you do is BUY, but if you SELL, then there's a potential for shill bidding.

lauriej
06-02-2005, 12:56 AM
lostmyjobsales (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=lostmyjobsales&frm=2624)(private) (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lostmyjobsales) 4 years 5 months NC, United States

Check out the FB- had intensive activity for a 12 month period, over 200 transactions, then nothing since.
HMMM.
...excellent job!TOL...

...hmmmmmmmmmm...so futbalrguy was selling from nov. 03-jan.19/05.....he's sold over 200 items! not bad.....

...looks like lostmyjob, is IN fact.....arrestedandfiredfrommyjob.....

User IDEffective DateEnd DatelostmyjobsalesJan-19-05Present futbalrguyNov-15-03Jan-19-05dc-friendMar-14-01Nov-15-03dc-ravenJan-04-01Mar-14-01*******@ravenstree.comDec-17-00Jan-04-01

lauriej
06-02-2005, 01:53 AM
Since there's been so much discussion on the shoes, here's another photo I took, which I left out earlier...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0013.jpg..........judging by the cleaner bottle.....( base approx. 3 1/2 inches....) the width of the shoe rack would be approx. 12 inches...

http://shoes.about.com/od/fitcomfort/a/wshoeconversion.htm

.....U.S. Women's Shoe SizeInches58.69"5.58.81"69"6.59.19"79.31"7.59.5"89.69"8.59.81"910"9.510.19"1010.31"10.510.5"

...the above chart only goes up to a women's size 10 and 1/2 , being 10 1/2 inches long..............those shoes in the pic do look narrow............even if they are 11 or so inches long............that would be a women's size 11................or a man's 9.....

...correct ?

...i remember the search warrant stated that they took a size 10 1/2 addidas shoes.....were those a women's or men's..?

...janet's shoes left behind....................heartbreaking...

..raven leaving HIS shoes out in the rain ????? shocking....

lauriej
06-02-2005, 02:33 AM
The desk wasn't broken. It was actually carefully taken apart. I have some experience with these types of desks, and they aren't easy to put together much less take apart. I imagine LE or the landlord carefully dismantled it in either getting a piece for testing, or to get it completely out of the house. It's also possible Raven took it apart and intends to pick it up. They may have had him get it out because the new carpet is scheduled to by installed shortly.

Relative to the creek, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I tried to imagine someone running down to it to wash up, and it just doesn't seem plausible. It's too overgrown....the desk.http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y2...om/snap0009.jpg


.on raven's family site : http://www.ravenstree.com/mylife2.htm

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0426_small.JPG (http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0426.JPG)

..............does look very similar in material/colour to the one in raven/kaiden's photo posted on his ravenstree site the day/nite before janet's murder.....

...NCB stated that it was in fact raining when he was at the residence taking pics today............and 'the desk' was out in the drive.............

...raven mustn't care too much about the comp.desk................or the abandoned soccer shoes...............( worth a pretty penny, either emotionally,(janet's ) or financially..($175.00!!)(his own )

...court case next friday for the guy..............i agree with an earlier post of TOL.........he's a flight risk...........on the embezzlement charges (june 10th).and.............??!!....( possible murder charge ?)

...we know he's off to see an uncle in maine.............( goodbye east coast ) , visiting a sister in utah ( hello west coast ) writing blog entries on his ( new found ) lamanite/indian heritage.....( the people he will now have hiding him ?) sure, i can see him disappearing underground in a big hurry....scary.....

Thinkoflaura
06-02-2005, 02:49 AM
Raven's pattern of activity on eBay is SO abnormal.
Here's why: If I registered today as Daisy Duke, bought and sold stuff and people left feedback ( FB) for me, and then I later changed my eBay name to Daffy Duck, the FB from the other transactions would follow.
In other words, your FB follows you unless you get away with setting up a totally new account.. and eBay security, called Safe Harbor, usually finds those.


I have 2 Internet Browsers open so I can hopefully intelligently discuss the irregularities. Taking into account that he started out on eBay in 2001, his
transaction record is almost ALL within the past 12 months.
The only question is if he or Janet BOUGHT something on eBay vs.selling. If so, then the stats will be off just a bit. I can't tell because the P. Ness made his profile private.

Here are how the numbers stack up:

He had 285 total transactions since opening the account in 2001.

Out of those 285, 249 were made starting on 6/2/04 forward. 200 are over 6 months old but not over 12 months old... So, there was a flurry of activity all at once, it appears, and the activity coincides with the theft of merchandise.

Of all the 285 transactions, he only had 36 repeat customers. That is also VERY unusual. Apparently, he dumped the merchandise so fast that he didn't have time for many repeaters? I am not sure why.
His negatives and neutral comments received were all within the past 12 months from 6/2/04, and there were only 3 ( which I find darned amazing).

I'm starting to wonder if Janet did the eBay part. If the merchandise was part of the stolen stuff, she wouldn't know. Raven could have told her it was something he bought at huge discounts.

There has been NO activity, either buying or selling since almost 6 months ago.

BTW, the sensical answer would be that the police already know about this, but if they did, they would have to contact eBay to obtain the sales records for criminal proceedings.
Once they told eBay management of the fraud and embezzlement ( trading in stolen goods) eBay would pull his account faster than you can say " Master Card", and they have NOT deactivated his account.

I suspect Raven thought they would deactivate his account, because he make his feedback private. A person usually does that when they suspect they are getting thrown off eBay.. Usually if they have a rotten FB record.

He could use this account tomorrow if he wanted to.

ewwwinteresting
06-02-2005, 03:18 AM
Wow, you guys are amazing.....pictures of the house, finding the ebay account, contemplating the "other guy"...I'm thinking the Durham LE needs to move aside and let you all do the investigating. They can't be that incompetent and not know (or think) any of this, can they???

ewwwinteresting
06-02-2005, 03:22 AM
...janet's shoes left behind....................heartbreaking...
Seeing those shoes reminded me that Janet doesn't even have a make-shift memorial where she died!!! NO ONE (not family, friends, church goers, neighbors, or strangers in the area) has brought flowers, candles, stuffed animals, etc. to the house. You see this in soooooo many other cases. What happened here? Do the people in Durham even know about this case?

lauriej
06-02-2005, 03:28 AM
Wow, you guys are amazing.....pictures of the house, finding the ebay account, contemplating the "other guy"...I'm thinking the Durham LE needs to move aside and let you all do the investigating. They can't be that incompetent and not know (or think) any of this, can they???
....NO kidding......................i'm always shocked ! at the flurry of finds that these WS'ers find and post within minutes of a new case!!!!

...i'm in canada.............and spoke to a member of LE here just recently...
...long story short...

..they LOVE people like the WS'ers here...............and gain a TON of info off of the posts/links they read........

...keep it comin' "google girls".............!

...............( oh.....and steve!)

lauriej
06-02-2005, 03:30 AM
Seeing those shoes reminded me that Janet doesn't even have a make-shift memorial where she died!!! NO ONE (not family, friends, church goers, neighbors, or strangers in the area) has brought flowers, candles, stuffed animals, etc. to the house. You see this in soooooo many other cases. What happened here? Do the people in Durham even know about this case?
...you're right..................i thought the same when i saw those lonely shoes in NCB's pics today...............where are the flowers ?? the teddybears ???

....such a sad and tragic end for this lovely woman.....

ewwwinteresting
06-02-2005, 03:31 AM
Did anyone else notice the reference to Raven in the eulogy? It seems almost like he's talking about Raven fondly. You'd think that if they were suspicious of Raven, he wouldn't have been mentioned sincerely in a eulogy (Side note: he was mentioned in a similar manner by one of her soccer teammates giving the eulogy at the funeral service in Buena Vista). Thoughts, anyone?Boy, while reading that eulogy, I felt I was stabbed in the chest! What a true loss of a life. Janet sounded absolutely amazing. What guilt the parents must feel pushing her to go to the college where she met HIM!!!

I can't imagine anybody bringing up at the funeral that they were suspicious of Raven. And of course, as Allgood points out, none of Scott's and Laci's family thought Scott Peters(on) was capable of murder. IMO, the Abaroas will stick to Raven being innocent and the Christensens may change their mind.

ewwwinteresting
06-02-2005, 03:35 AM
....NO kidding......................i'm always shocked ! at the flurry of finds that these WS'ers find and post within minutes of a new case!!!!
...i'm in canada.............and spoke to a member of LE here just recently...
...long story short...
..they LOVE people like the WS'ers here...............and gain a TON of info off of the posts/links they read........
...keep it comin' "google girls".............!
...............( oh.....and steve!)
Well that's good to know. Hopefully the LE in NC will be as attentive! Throw us a bone and we'll produce the entire cow:dance:

lauriej
06-02-2005, 04:07 AM
...not sure where this fits in..............but did find a comment to raven ( abaroa ) on http://yanceyware.proboards4.com/index.cgi an LDS support site.

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« Reply #1 on Oct 27, 2002, 9:36am »http://www.proboards8.com/v4images/buttons/quote.gif (http://yanceyware.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=post&thread=1035682150&quote=1035729363) Raven,

The October conference session is already posted on my website. Take a closer look and you'll find it there.

--
Bryce

.............it only shows to me that he was on the LDS support site back then.....2002...............( and then veered off onto the VX site etc.....) ( and then his ( nite before janet's murder ) "native heritage" musings......."my" space.....

........there was mention of his lawyer, julian mack (?) .....when did he acquire this attny? for the embezzlement ? if so when ?

..if late april............combined with the affairs he's been said to have been having.................(can't imagine the loving conversations going on in that house........)

ewwwinteresting
06-02-2005, 04:43 AM
:laugh:
(can't imagine the loving conversations going on in that house........)No kidding!!

The website showed Raven asking a question and Bryce answering it.....imo, seems it is just another way Raven "pretended" to be a mormon.

golfmom
06-02-2005, 06:53 AM
The shoes are Nike Mercurial Vapors and are most definitely Ravens.

When they came out, they were another one of those status things. I think they were popular with European soccer stars, and people who bought them we're trying to immitate their heros.

NCBanker
06-02-2005, 08:16 AM
I thought someone found that the shoes were actually female. Someone posted a weblink to them a page back.



The shoes are Nike Mercurial Vapors and are most definitely Ravens.

When they came out, they were another one of those status things. I think they were popular with European soccer stars, and people who bought them we're trying to immitate their heros.

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 08:39 AM
I figure he did take care of his buddies on the team, but also had a nice side business going off ebay. There was a FuTBaLrGuY ebayer that I can't pull the records for.Was that the exact name? It's not on e-bay at this point. There are only two users with names close to that, and they both have only buying feedback listed, no sales. Did you find futbalrguy recently?

Jenifred
06-02-2005, 08:39 AM
I was told that they were men's, but looking at the pictures from NCB, and comparing them to the link that juliagoulia posted, they are women's.
Here's the men's:
http://www.soccer.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1345&pcount=&Product_Id=169949

Here's the women's:
http://www.soccer.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1024&pcount=&Product_Id=107043

Here's the picture from NCB:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Golfmom/snap0013.jpg

The difference between the men's and women's is the blocking in the back (women's is white, men's doesn't look to have it). And the men's have got a black line running through them and the women's doesn't. So, they are women's.

Does anyone think that Janet was still enough in to soccer to warrant a pair of $100 shoes? Or was it a gift to Janet from Raven?

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 08:42 AM
And with Raven's inside connection to get top-of-the line gear I would think that his team was decked out fully.It would be interesting if LE, during their investigation, would interview some of these teammates, and ask them where they purchased their gear. I honestly believe that if Raven was stealing merchandise, it wasn't to hand it out for free to his teammates. Perhaps he sold them their stuff at a reduced rate from what the store would charge. That way, both seller & buyer benefit but Raven still ends up with cash in his pocket.

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 08:45 AM
I'm not sure he was, yet I did receive correspondence a few weeks ago that indicated the person writing felt that Raven seemed to "flirt" with men and women both in the office.Isn't that frequently connected to one of the personality disorders ... flirtations with both genders? I can't remember, and don't have time to research it just yet but I could have sworn that I've heard that before. I'll check it out later today if I can.

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 08:50 AM
This is what is so frustrating about this case.....no facts. No statements about Janet's TOD, no statements whether Raven's alibi checked out, no statements about what else was examined (besides the first search warrant) where no soccer uniform is included or the searching of his VX or Motorcycle....no statements except it wasn't random and she was stabbed:banghead:I find it extremely unusual that they wouldn't search all of the vehicles belonging to the Abaroa's. The only way that I can see them NOT doing that is if they found what they were looking for on the first one. Otherwise, how can this investigation even be taken seriously ... what would LE say ... "well, we only searched the Durango because that's the one he said he was driving at the time"? No way, IMO.

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 08:53 AM
I've heard exactly the same -- that he was virtually caught by accident, as well. Apparently he'd make dummy accounts in the computer ordering system and then send the items there, but he was always the actual recipient -- this last is a guess, but from the information I've received that's what it looks like. I'd love to see his e-Bay history, but you know, if his e-Bay stuff is inaccessible, it may be because he is still under investigation.

Mr. AWasn't Raven responsible for ordering for at least one other company as well? If so, I wonder if this is the first time he's embezzled or the first time he's been caught.

I also want to mention that we've all been working under the assumption that Raven was playing soccer that night. Have any of us received credible information that that's the case?

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 09:07 AM
I went to the crime scene today.NCBanker, I just want to tell you what a great job you did!!! I can't imagine walking up to the house ... you're braver than me! :)

I find it odd that such a huge desk wouldn't have had a computer on it, and if it did, why on Earth was it not collected during the search???

Now that you've been there, you can tell us ... does the driveway extend to the side door or does it stop near the front porch? Is the side door kind of out of the way or is it easily accessible for guests stopping by? In other words, does it look most likely that they would use the front door, the side door, or is it even possible to tell one way or the other?

One other question, how close is the neighbor's driveway?

BTW, let's all keep in mind that this crime happened in the end of April. A lot of growth has occurred between then and now. Is it possible that the house would have been seen from the street while the leaves were still budding? In one of the photos taken on the porch, you can see a curved road in the background. I'm thinking it's Ferrand Drive, and in that case, it seems that the street can be seen from the house - at least from certain angles at certain points in time. :waitasec:

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 09:35 AM
NCBanker--Would you think that Janet and Raven would have used the side door as their main entrance to the house? Curious to know if the driveway went all the way up there or not.

Good job on the pictures!Sorry, Jenifred ... I didn't see this when I posted my questions a few minutes ago. I'm still a couple pages back in the thread. I was gone for one evening, and conversation picked up again!!! Now I've got to catch up! :)

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-02-2005, 09:45 AM
samuel_peter (http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=samuel_peter&frm=2624)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 21 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=samuel_peter)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconYellowStar_25x25.gif) 3 years 7 months http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifUT, United States http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif

hmmm
This buyer made a purchase on Feb. 24, and then not again until April 28th, (books). Then on May 6th and May 19th, purchased computer parts. Interesting find. (Sorry if you've already discussed this too but I' still lagging behind, and now I've got to go out again! You'll all probably have another four pages when I get back!!! LOL!)

golfmom
06-02-2005, 09:47 AM
I was told that they were men's, but looking at the pictures from NCB, and comparing them to the link that juliagoulia posted, they are women's.

The difference between the men's and women's is the blocking in the back (women's is white, men's doesn't look to have it). And the men's have got a black line running through them and the women's doesn't. So, they are women's.

Does anyone think that Janet was still enough in to soccer to warrant a pair of $100 shoes? Or was it a gift to Janet from Raven?

These are Raven's shoes. I've heard from multiple sources now.

Nike Mercurial Vapor Chrome
Reg. $174.95
http://www.soccerworldtx.com/Footwear.html

There is a picture of the exact shoes at the link above. The links from Eurosport show the newest (modified) version of this shoe available

Jenifred
06-02-2005, 10:02 AM
These are Raven's shoes. I've heard from multiple sources now.

Nike Mercurial Vapor Chrome
Reg. $174.95
http://www.soccerworldtx.com/Footwear.html

There is a picture of the exact shoes at the link above. The links from Eurosport show the newest (modified) version of this shoe available
Thank you. Was just trying to over-sleuth!

cappuccina
06-02-2005, 10:03 AM
....the metallic shoes, they are more often worn by women...(most men I know who are comfortable with themselves as decent soccer players would not want to wear "glittery" soccer shoes...)...In looking at the pic, I also think they are Raven's because of the length of the shoe...(using the bottle of 409 as a reference point), as Janet was not a big person...

NCBanker, you did a fabulous job with the pictures - thanks so much!

golfmom
06-02-2005, 10:06 AM
Sorry guys, I just got some new information that convinces me that these were in fact Janet's soccer shoes. This source would KNOW.

PrayersForMaura
06-02-2005, 10:09 AM
Wasn't Raven responsible for ordering for at least one other company as well? If so, I wonder if this is the first time he's embezzled or the first time he's been caught.

I also want to mention that we've all been working under the assumption that Raven was playing soccer that night. Have any of us received credible information that that's the case?
I have credible information that raven wasplaying a "pick up" game that night. Sorry, I cannot reveal my source but I trust it. No deep throat here!

PrayersForMaura
06-02-2005, 10:13 AM
Good grief!! $175 shoes left out on the porch? Not at my house.
And how utterly sad that her empty shoes are left there, for all who do come by to see.

I would give anything to be within driving distance of Durham NC. I'd love to see inside the house.. I keep wondering if he left her clothes in the house?

I KNOW he took his top name brand stuff with him.I believe Raven most likely bought... er "embezzled" those silver soccer shoes for Janet as a birthday present or anniversary present when he was stealing from eurosport. He's too cheap to spend $175 on his own wife.... he only buys himself the nice things.

Also those shoes aretoo narrow to be a man's soccer shoe. I have narrow feet andam built much like Janet ... I'm sure those shoes are.... :( were hers

PrayersForMaura
06-02-2005, 10:15 AM
Doesn't dc refer to a soccer team that he was a fan of?Baltimore Ravens are also a football team... just wondering if there was a connection there, too? Know he liked soccer and soccer is called football in other countries so maybe there is no connection... i'm referring to his former futbalrguy ebay id.

PrayersForMaura
06-02-2005, 10:18 AM
I wonder if that is a mostly rental district. I only see one pool.
I've always read that rental areas have higher violent crimes.. not sure why though.
i know that raven took kaiden to the indoor pool. pictures are on page 2, i believe, of ravenstree.com

edited... can't type this morning!

golfmom
06-02-2005, 10:27 AM
I believe Raven most likely bought... er "embezzled" those silver soccer shoes for Janet as a birthday present or anniversary present when he was stealing from eurosport. He's too cheap to spend $175 on his own wife.... he only buys himself the nice things.

Also those shoes aretoo narrow to be a man's soccer shoe. I have narrow feet andam built much like Janet ... I'm sure those shoes are.... :( were hers

I'm getting the sense that Raven acquired Janet as a designer label to fit the life-style he wanted to portray. Pretty blond, soccer star . . .

PrayersForMaura
06-02-2005, 10:28 AM
well great, sources say shoes are janet's, sources say shoes are raven's. I'm feeling like this is a Magic 8 ball. Signs point to .... yes ... er, no...

Personally, i don't see how raven's fatf oot could fit in those little narrow shoes, but they do say P. NESS sizes are reflective of the male's foot size...
heee hee
:laugh:

Mare
06-02-2005, 10:30 AM
Sorry guys, I just got some new information that convinces me that these were in fact Janet's soccer shoes. This source would KNOW.


Yes, I had it from a source too that they were Raven's shoes, I was just second-guessing because of the images that were posted on the soccer.com website. And, I too, believe my source.

Raven's shoes, not Janet's.

I'm so confused :confused: ... Raven's or Janet's?

PrayersForMaura
06-02-2005, 10:31 AM
Correspondence from Raven in 1999 when he worked in sales.
(i can't remember if i posted this yet or if anyone else did).
I believe there are references to this Erin person, too, (see Erin in the forwarded message coding) on the ravenstree.com archives.
http://www.eng.utah.edu/~jrsmith/docs/3com.html
(PS, he is not a great speller, but I am a horrible typist, so I am one to talk! ;) )

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Subject: FW: Quote on 3Com parts
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John,

I saved the earlier document I sent as a .txt file so I am not sure why it
isn't going through as a regular text document. Anyway, I was able to save
you some money on the switch and you should be ready to go. I did add a
price for a service warrenty. If you are wanting to manage the switch
through a remote location, you can purchase the Transcend Enterprise
Manager "97 software. But I would need to know the OS you are using:


Part Number Description Qty Price
Extended

1) 3C16980-US 3COM - NETWORKING Superstack Ii
Switch 330024 Port 10/100 1 1,750.53
1,750.53
Autosensing

2) 3C16970 3COM - NETWORKING Superstack Ii
Switch 1100/3300100bfx Module 1 395.79
395.79

3) 3CS-EX7N-15 3COM - SERVICES 1 310.53
310.53
Maintenance-1yr-nbd-24x7express
Documentations

thanks

_____________________
Raven Abaroa
State Sales Rep.
Capital Associates Technology Group
Connecting Point
Salt Lake City, UT 84101

Phone: (801) 531-3887
Fax: (801) 359-5544
email: ravena@cputah.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ravena [SMTP:ravena@cputah.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:56 AM
To: 'john@eng.utah.edu'
Cc: 'office@eng.utah.edu'
Subject: Quote on 3Com parts

John,

Please note that I added a new part number to the quote. It is the
Superstack II Switch 1100. The price point is a lot better and it still has
10/100-TX ports:



Thanks,
raven

_____________________
Raven Abaroa
State Sales Rep.
Capital Associates Technology Group
Connecting Point
Salt Lake City, UT 84101

Phone: (801) 531-3887
Fax: (801) 359-5544
email: ravena@cputah.com