OR-Brooke Wilberger

[Anngelique]

I live not far from where Brooke went missing. Yesterday some boaters found a badly decomposed body in the Willamette River. It was so badly decomposed they cannot identify the sex at this time. I have been watching the news for an update. As soon as I saw this it made me think of Brooke. I will keep you guys updated if this turns out to be anything or even if it is not.

For updated information on Brooke's case you can click here...

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67786

[Jenn]

I don't know if I wish it were her or not. On one hand, I so badly want her parents to be able to give her a proper burial but on the other hand, I have been clinging to a tiny thread of hope that she is out there alive. Keep us posted!!

[Anngelique]

I don't know if I wish it were her or not. On one hand, I so badly want her parents to be able to give her a proper burial but on the other hand, I have been clinging to a tiny thread of hope that she is out there alive. Keep us posted!!

I know exactly how you feel. I did not know what to post, I kind of hope it is her like you say so the parents know and can bury her. On the other hand, I don't want it to be her in case she is still alive and can be found safe.

The body could be that of any missing person, but her name came to mind first. So I will definitely keep you posted.

[Melly]

It looks like there were 2 bodies found in the Willamette River over the weekend, a man and a woman:

http://www.koin.com/news.asp?RECORD_KEY%5Bnews%5D=ID&ID%5Bnews%5D=2801

[annemc2]

Wow - thanks for the links, guys. I live in the town that Brooke was abducted from, and haven't seen anything in the paper about these bodies being located. I really feel for the loved ones they left behind, and hope they are identified soon. :(

[Anngelique]

Wow - thanks for the links, guys. I live in the town that Brooke was abducted from, and haven't seen anything in the paper about these bodies being located. I really feel for the loved ones they left behind, and hope they are identified soon. :(

Thanks, I just got home and had not been able to check yet. Well, it is a relief and not a relief at the same time that is doesn't appear to be Brooke.

I am in in Salem Annemc2, nice to meet you neighbor!

[Anngelique]

Here is some new information though!

http://katu.com/stories/77507.html

May 31, 2005

Minivan Sought In Brooke Wilberger Case


By KATU Web Staff
CORVALLIS, Ore. - Corvallis police say they are looking for a green 1997 Dodge Caravan that may be connected to the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger.

Police say on May 24, 2004, the day Wilberger disappeared, someone named 'Brian' called 911 from a cell phone regarding a speeding and recklessly driven green minivan in the Mid-Valley area.

The connection with the cell phone was lost before the call was completed.



Investigators say they would like to talk with that person to determine if what he saw that day was connected to Wilberger's disappearance.

They would also like to hear from anyone else who may have seen suspicious activity involving a green minivan between May 17 and May 31, 2004. Those with information are urged to call 1-800-THE-LOST.

Police say the suspicious activity may include the following:

A green minivan being in a place where it did not appear to belong (like a logging road or a farmer's field).

A green minivan being driven in a way that was significantly different from normal traffic.

A green minivan where the driver was acting in a strange or suspicious way (like attempting to lure women/girls close to the van).

[Anngelique]

Very informative video on this mini-van and it's possible connection to the Brooke case at this link. http://katu.com/

This mini van was seen parked near where Brooke vanished the day before and one of the workers thought it looked suspicious then. The next day another worker spotted the same mini-van following a girl for a little ways. One of the 2 persons of interest in the abduction of Brooke has a green mini-van. It sounds like this person is in jail, but they are looking for a "Brian" who called 911 to reporst erractic and dangerous driving from a green mini-van the day Brooke disappeared.

This could be a huge break in the Brooke case!

[dannyodie]

this looks to me like they have a very good possible lead. I feel that the man they are looking for is already in jail, or has been. I feel brooke is no longer with us, I wonder if maybe they could have been two people in the van. one to drive and the other one to slide the van door open and snatch her inside. the police and any other search groups I would encourage strongly to search within a 10 mile radius of where she went missing. for some reason from day one I have felt that she was taken no more than 10 miles away, the number 10 keeps appearing in my mind for some reason, is there a hwy 10 or interstate 10 in that area, state route 10? this could be the answer they are looking for...

[annemc2]

Howdy, neighbor (Anngelique!)! Hmmm, this is an interesting development. Wonder why we haven't heard about this van until now. Also, doesn't it seem that the 911 call center would have a record of the "Brian" call - cell phones are pretty easy to trace, no? I don't know much about them, though. Dannyodie, the only thing I can think of that has "10" in it is PCH Hwy 101 - about an hour away. But I haven't lived here long enough (only 2.5 yrs) to know any local roads, farm routes or whatever, that may fit that criteria. If I get time I'll check it out!

[Anngelique]

Howdy, neighbor (Anngelique!)! Hmmm, this is an interesting development. Wonder why we haven't heard about this van until now. Also, doesn't it seem that the 911 call center would have a record of the "Brian" call - cell phones are pretty easy to trace, no? I don't know much about them, though. Dannyodie, the only thing I can think of that has "10" in it is PCH Hwy 101 - about an hour away. But I haven't lived here long enough (only 2.5 yrs) to know any local roads, farm routes or whatever, that may fit that criteria. If I get time I'll check it out!

From what I understand the call was interrupted by the cell phone going out or something. Hopefully this Brian will see or hear about the news and get back to the police. This sounds like the most hope since she was abducted.

[RobertStJames]

From what I understand the call was interrupted by the cell phone going out or something. Hopefully this Brian will see or hear about the news and get back to the police. This sounds like the most hope since she was abducted.
I guess this is discussion-related. Which thread is the active one on this case?

http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...Wilberger06.JPG

There's a green Dodge Caravan (with tinted windows) in that picture. That shot is from four days after the crime. May 28, 2004 - 4pm. It was taken in the back parking lot of Oak Park Apts. Anybody here know who that minivan belongs to?

Here are the rest of the pictures
http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...r/Wilberger.htm (http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites/wilberger/Wilberger.htm)

RstJ

[Anngelique]

Katu is reporting that the green mini van was reported as driving erratically the day Brooke vanished. A man named "Brian" reported it and his phone went dead or something. The reason this is of such interest is that the mileage of where this van was reported and the time Brooke vanished fit together. As does the fact that they have a person of interest who has a van of this same make and model. This is getting very interesting. Workers also reported seeing this van in the area the day before and the day of when Brooke vanished. They said the driver was acting strange and even followed a female student a short distance. So I will do my best to keep everyone posted of our local news here.

[Beffie]

I guess this is discussion-related. Which thread is the active one on this case?

http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...Wilberger06.JPG

There's a green Dodge Caravan (with tinted windows) in that picture. That shot is from four days after the crime. May 28, 2004 - 4pm. It was taken in the back parking lot of Oak Park Apts. Anybody here know who that minivan belongs to?

Here are the rest of the pictures
http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...r/Wilberger.htm (http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites/wilberger/Wilberger.htm)

RstJ

I do not know my mini vans very well, but that looks like a green windstar (Ford mini van). I could be wrong, but I think it is a Ford not a Chrysler. :twocents:

[RobertStJames]

Katu is reporting that the green mini van was reported as driving erratically the day Brooke vanished. A man named "Brian" reported it and his phone went dead or something. The reason this is of such interest is that the mileage of where this van was reported and the time Brooke vanished fit together. As does the fact that they have a person of interest who has a van of this same make and model. This is getting very interesting. Workers also reported seeing this van in the area the day before and the day of when Brooke vanished. They said the driver was acting strange and even followed a female student a short distance. So I will do my best to keep everyone posted of our local news here.
I saw all that, but how does LE even know when she vanished? I've heard everything from 9:30 to as late as 10:50am. How can they calculate mileage if they don't even know when to calculate it from?


RstJ

[annemc2]

wow, Robert - very observant!! Do you think LE might want to take a gander at that photo, like if it could be digitally enhanced to show license plate features or something? Spooky. . .

[Anngelique]

http://katu.com/stories/77541.html

June 1, 2005
Police Identify Minivan In Wilberger CaseBy Bob Heye
and KATU Web Staff
CORVALLIS, Ore. - New details are emerging about a suspicious green minivan that police believe may be tied to the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger.

Police say they know where the minivan is that they have been looking for and they have identified its driver as a person of interest.

This latest news comes one day after Corvallis police sent out a press release saying they were looking for a green 1997 Dodge Caravan.

Police say on May 24, 2004, the day Wilberger disappeared, someone named 'Brian' called 911 from a cell phone regarding a speeding and recklessly driven green minivan in the Mid-Valley area.

The connection with the cell phone was lost and police said they wanted to speak with that person to determine if what he saw that day was connected to Wilberger's disappearance.


Matt Siewell, who spoke with KATU News on Tuesday, says he also saw a green van outside Reser Stadium just before Wilberger vanished.

"I remember the van still pretty well," he said. "That's what got my attention in the first place."

The site where Siewell says he saw the minivan is just blocks from the apartment complex where Brooke Wilberger disappeared.

"I just remember him sitting there with his driver door open," Siewell said. "I remember he had like brown, curly hair and it seemed like it was probably shoulder length. That's all I can remember about him now."

Now, Siewell and others who saw the van that day cannot be reached, which may mean that police have asked them not to make public statements while the investigation continues.

Authorities already know where the van is that they are interested in and they also know where the owner is.

Ron Noble with the Corvallis Police Department said he could not comment on whether police had the person of interest who owns the minivan in custody.

Police identified the person as one of two remaining persons of interest six months ago.

Now they want to know if they can connect the minivan to any potential victims at all.

"The operator of this type of van may have tried to lure women or girls to the van," said Noble.


Brooke Wilberger's brother-in-law believes this may finally be the break the family has been waiting for.

"We know of one person, Brian, who saw the vehicle. He made the effort a year ago and we're hoping he'll make that effort again," said Zak Hansen.

Police say they have received several tips so far involving sightings of green minivans around the time that Wilberger disappeared. They are encouraging anyone who has not yet contacted them with information to call 1-800-THE-LOST.

[RobertStJames]

wow, Robert - very observant!! Do you think LE might want to take a gander at that photo, like if it could be digitally enhanced to show license plate features or something? Spooky. . .
I think LE already knows who owns the van I photographed, and Beffie is right--it's a Ford. Probably an Aerostar, as someone pointed out on another board.

So, that's not the van LE is interested in. Just a coincidence, and not really a surprising one seeing as how this part of Oregon has hundreds, if not thousands of dark green minivans. Must be an U of O thing. That's their school color (University of Oregon Ducks).


RstJ

[LillyRush]

I never realized that the trees/hedges were so high next to that one area, particularly interesting since it's right next to the highway. I don't understand though how it seems that not one single person either around the apartment complex or the highway saw anything.

[IndigoFalls]

Here are the rest of the pictures
http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...r/Wilberger.htm (http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites/wilberger/Wilberger.htm)

RstJ

Hi, I looked at your pictures and descriptions and they are very nice and clear. I too, went out to the site, curiosity and trying to help and being an amateur detective and all. Anyway, I could only get about 1/3 or 1/2 of your pictures to load. I was wondering if any of them showed the gate from the Oak Park Apts. to the huge gravel parking lot by the Hilton and the ball field? When I went there the gate was propped wide open, and anyone could have parked virtually unnoticed in the parking lot, walked up and taken Brooke Wilberger and driven off, while never having been in the actual complex with their vehicle. If someone tried to follow them with a vehicle, they would have had to run down the fence. A person could drive out of the gravel parking lot, east on Western Avenue to 3rd St., left, and then all the way to Rickreall on Hwy. 99. Two turns and they're out of town. I have a picture of the gate somewhere, which if you didn't already have one, I could try to figure out how to post.

Walking in would have been from the north. From the west, they could have driven in, but it would be hard to get back out again without being noticed. Thanks for going to the effort with the pictures. I haven't posted on here in months and months.

[IndigoFalls]

I don't understand though how it seems that not one single person either around the apartment complex or the highway saw anything.

Hi, When I took pictures and looked around last year, there was a game going on at Reser Stadium, and the Hilton had cars parked in their lot, but not one person or car way in the back of the gravel parking lot that has a gate that goes to Oak Park Apts. Also, when I drove in and looked around, I only saw about one person, and nobody asked me what I was doing or did I want an apartment or anything. It would have been easy to park in the big lot, the big, most vacant lot, that is, and walk through the gate.

:chicken: I am kind of chicken to do this, but I feel compelled. I want this time stamped and posted record that my guess for who the person of interest is, is James M. Hickman. I'd surely like to know if he has a green Dodge Van. So if soon they announce that they are charging him with something, I would have the small satisfaction of knowing I deduced it correctly. He is over 200 pounds and could overpower someone petite like Brooke. And BTW, this is just my guess and opinion, not scientifically proven or anything. If I am wrong, I'm wrong.

[IndigoFalls]

I found a screwball thing way out of place on the afternoon Brooke was abducted. It was before I even knew she was abducted, and it probably has nothing to do with anything. However, do any of you know if any one of the 450 Psychics who sent in leads sensed anything about Polynesian or Easter Island type statues? Or handmade clay things? If they did, I think I would report more about this to the police. If they didn't, it is probably just far fetched.

[Anngelique]

I found a screwball thing way out of place on the afternoon Brooke was abducted. It was before I even knew she was abducted, and it probably has nothing to do with anything. However, do any of you know if any one of the 450 Psychics who sent in leads sensed anything about Polynesian or Easter Island type statues? Or handmade clay things? If they did, I think I would report more about this to the police. If they didn't, it is probably just far fetched.\

One of the men who saw this driver of the green van said he had brown, curly hair. Who knows, but this could be of that race. Many Polynesians have a little longer hair than normal and very curly. We shall see as this unfolds more.

[Anngelique]

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/community/friloc03.txt

Police disclose time of 911 call

By the Gazette-Times

Police have released one more detail regarding a 911 call made the day Brooke Wilberger was abducted, in hopes of making contact with a man named Brian.

The man, who only gave a first name, used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot. He reported seeing a speeding and recklessly driven green-mini van in the Rickreal area, north of Monmouth.

Brian made that call at 11 a.m., said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble. Wilberger was last seen by family members around 10 a.m. May 24, 2004.

Since issuing a request Tuesday to hear from Brian and for information from anyone who has seen a 1997 green Dodge Caravan that police have associated with a "person of interest" in the abduction case, police have received more than 50 calls to their tip line.

"We've got people that we've got to call back and get some more info and see if it's the same van," Noble said.

Police are interested in hearing from anyone who saw a green mini-van during the week before or the week after Wilberger disappeared; saw the van being driven in an erratic or alarming manner; saw the van parked in a place where it would not be expected — such as on an old logging road or farmer's field; or observed the driver acting in a strange or suspicious way, possibly trying to lure young women or girls close to the van.

Investigators have already identified the van they are interested in and are not looking for the van itself, but for information about the van and where it was seen. Such information could help investigators identify areas to search for Wilberger, Noble said.

[RobertStJames]

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/community/friloc03.txt

Police disclose time of 911 call

By the Gazette-Times

Police have released one more detail regarding a 911 call made the day Brooke Wilberger was abducted, in hopes of making contact with a man named Brian.

The man, who only gave a first name, used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot. He reported seeing a speeding and recklessly driven green-mini van in the Rickreal area, north of Monmouth.

Brian made that call at 11 a.m., said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble. Wilberger was last seen by family members around 10 a.m. May 24, 2004.

Rickreal is about 1hr north of Corvallis on 99W. Meaning Brooke vanished within minutes of last being seen by "family members."

Time window is starting to get very narrow indeed...


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Rickreal is about 1hr north of Corvallis on 99W. Meaning Brooke vanished within minutes of last being seen by "family members."

Time window is starting to get very narrow indeed...


RstJ

I am sorry to dispute this, but I lived in Dallas/ Rickreal for most of my life. I am in Salem now. Rickreal is about 30-35 mins from OSU and if you are traveling at high speeds could be reached much quicker. Rickreal is actually on Hwy. 99 West. You can take it almost directly to the stadium with just a couple of turns. Heck, I am only 45 mins from OSU in Salem and it is not the direct route that Hwy 99 would be.

[Anngelique]

I am sorry to dispute this, but I lived in Dallas/ Rickreal for most of my life. I am in Salem now. Rickreal is about 30-35 mins from OSU and if you are traveling at high speeds could be reached much quicker. Rickreal is actually on Hwy. 99 West. You can take it almost directly to the stadium with just a couple of turns. Heck, I am only 45 mins from OSU in Salem and it is not the direct route that Hwy 99 would be.

Coming from further into OSU here are directions to Rickreal.

1: Start out going EAST on SW AIRPORT AVE toward AIRPORT PL. 1.6 miles Map

2: Turn LEFT onto PACIFIC HWY W/OR-99W N. 29.8 miles Map

3: End at Rickreall, OR 97371-9728, US Map

Total Est. Distance: 31.49 miles

Since that is almost all hwy, it could be done pretty quickly.

[RobertStJames]

I am sorry to dispute this, but I lived in Dallas/ Rickreal for most of my life. I am in Salem now. Rickreal is about 30-35 mins from OSU and if you are traveling at high speeds could be reached much quicker. Rickreal is actually on Hwy. 99 West. You can take it almost directly to the stadium with just a couple of turns. Heck, I am only 45 mins from OSU in Salem and it is not the direct route that Hwy 99 would be.
Ok, 30-35mins. You figure you could make it in 10mins? Because that's what the mystery perp would have to do if Brooke was "last seen" at 10:50, as most of the missing posters say.


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Ok, 30-35mins. You figure you could make it in 10mins? Because that's what the mystery perp would have to do if Brooke was "last seen" at 10:50, as most of the missing posters say.


RstJ

They are not sure of the exact time as no one saw her being abducted. The last time she was seen was at 10 AM. Yes, the missing posters say approximately 10:50 but where that time came from I don't know. I do know that it is close enough to the time frame to definitely be plausible. Let's say she was taken at 10:30 AM... or even 10:40. If this car was driving very fast and erratically, then it could make up some time, who knows? But I do think this is a very good lead. Why are you so against this lead? I don't understand.

[RobertStJames]

They are not sure of the exact time as no one saw her being abducted. The last time she was seen was at 10 AM. Yes, the missing posters say approximately 10:50 but where that time came from I don't know. I do know that it is close enough to the time frame to definitely be plausible. Let's say she was taken at 10:30 AM... or even 10:40. If this car was driving very fast and erratically, then it could make up some time, who knows? But I do think this is a very good lead. Why are you so against this lead? I don't understand.
Because as a lead it doesn't make any sense. If Brooke was last seen at 10:50, then LE can't possibly think her abductor was in Rickreal 10mins later. Therefore, they think she was taken earlier. In other words, the 10:50 sighting was of someone else, not Brooke. Her sister also says that she did not see Brooke when she returned at 10:30am, and that has been consistently reported. That means she vanished in a half-hour timespan when her sister was away from the complex. That's getting dangerously narrow. And a vehicle in Rickreal at 11am narrows it even further, since 30mins to do the abduction and get that far away isn't possible no matter how fast you're driving. Poor Brian would have been phoning in an accident, not an erractic driver.

And if these green van leads were so hot, and if the van was seen by so many people, why didn't we hear anything about this a year ago??

And why is it that no one seems to have seen this green minivan actually in the complex? You see what I mean? Even the most credulous observer has to be asking themselves in the wake of the Wilbanks/Seiler things whether any abduction happened at all. And no, I don't think she ran away.

Cpt. Noble said at the press conference that LE knows was *hasn't* happened. What do you think he meant by that?


RstJ

[RCOOKE]

And why is it that no one seems to have seen this green minivan actually in the complex? You see what I mean? Even the most credulous observer has to be asking themselves in the wake of the Wilbanks/Seiler things whether any abduction happened at all. And no, I don't think she ran away.

Cpt. Noble said at the press conference that LE knows was *hasn't* happened. What do you think he meant by that?

RstJ

I really don't know why you would mention Wilbanks/Seiler in Brooke's case. There is nothing similar. Brooke never told police she was abducted. She just disappeared without any reason to. Both Wilbanks and Seiler had a history of drawing attention to themselves and both both committed a criminal act when they lied to LE. Each case has it's own set of evidence. They should be looked at individually.

The green van driver was always labled a "person of interest" That means the might be a possible suspect or he/she might have possibly seen something that will help with the case.

[RobertStJames]

I really don't know why you would mention Wilbanks/Seiler in Brooke's case. There is nothing similar. Brooke never told police she was abducted. She just disappeared without any reason to. Both Wilbanks and Seiler had a history of drawing attention to themselves and both both committed a criminal act when they lied to LE. Each case has it's own set of evidence. They should be looked at individually.

The green van driver was always labled a "person of interest" That means the might be a possible suspect or he/she might have possibly seen something that will help with the case.
Nobody had any idea what happened in the Wilbanks/Seiler cases until LE ran it down. Nobody still has any idea what happened here. The green van driver is connected to some POI that LE came up w/6mos ago, which is to say, about the time Capt. Robert Deutsch was known to be applying for a job in Los Alamos. You probably remember him from the beginning of the case.

Seeing as how LE has hardly been shy about releasing info on their POIs (or someone has been leaking info) it's rather surprising that they're *not* releasing any info about this POI.

Speaking of evidence, it's important to look at the *lack* of evidence too. No one saw or heard anything. No one saw a vehicle, no one heard a yell, no one saw Brooke after family members did. That should tell you something. It certainly suggests something to me.

What do you think of the overwhelming silence from the family on these latest developments?

RstJ

[Anngelique]

Nobody had any idea what happened in the Wilbanks/Seiler cases until LE ran it down. Nobody still has any idea what happened here. The green van driver is connected to some POI that LE came up w/6mos ago, which is to say, about the time Capt. Robert Deutsch was known to be applying for a job in Los Alamos. You probably remember him from the beginning of the case.

Seeing as how LE has hardly been shy about releasing info on their POIs (or someone has been leaking info) it's rather surprising that they're *not* releasing any info about this POI.

Speaking of evidence, it's important to look at the *lack* of evidence too. No one saw or heard anything. No one saw a vehicle, no one heard a yell, no one saw Brooke after family members did. That should tell you something. It certainly suggests something to me.

What do you think of the overwhelming silence from the family on these latest developments?

RstJ

The family has NOT been silent. They have been quoted several times that I have read and have had been appearing on shows. Here is a quote about the green van from my link above.

Brooke Wilberger's brother-in-law believes this may finally be the break the family has been waiting for.

"We know of one person, Brian, who saw the vehicle. He made the effort a year ago and we're hoping he'll make that effort again," said Zak Hansen.

Also, there WERE some witnesses to the green van and very close to where Brooke was abducted. Both the day before and the day of the abduction, the green van was seen actually following a female student. The green van was also seen parked stranglely and the driver was "watching" people.

If this person who owns the green van has been a person of interest for quite a while, you would think they would have cleared him already and moved on. But no, he remains a person of interest.

As far as the length of time it took for LE to bring these points of interests to light, remember it took a long time before LE moved in on Scott Peterson. Does it mean they did not think he might have been a person of interest before that? No, it means they are crossing their t's and dotting their i's to make sure it is done correctly. As far as the other people of interest in these cases, it was NOT LE who brought them forward. For instance, the guy who they thought he might have burried her under cement... it was his step-sister that brought him to light. The LE kept denying it. As far as Kim goes, he was looked at early on, but again, the LE made light of him as far as a connection to Brooke went. But the media kept him tied to the case. Now he is more tied to the fact that he stole so many panties from so many school.

I still think this is a great lead and will have faith and hope that it will bring some knowledge to Brooke's family. I won't give up that faith and hope until it is proven otherwise.

[RobertStJames]

The family has NOT been silent. They have been quoted several times that I have read and have had been appearing on shows. Here is a quote about the green van from my link above.

Brooke Wilberger's brother-in-law believes this may finally be the break the family has been waiting for.

"We know of one person, Brian, who saw the vehicle. He made the effort a year ago and we're hoping he'll make that effort again," said Zak Hansen.

Brooke's blood family, brothers, sisters, parents. This guy is not related to her except by marriage and am I the only one who finds his continued prominent role to be baffling?

Brooke has a lot of family. Brothers: Bryce, Spencer. Sisters: Shannon, Stephani, Jessica.

You find any quotes from any of them? Recent ones?


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Brooke's blood family, brothers, sisters, parents. This guy is not related to her except by marriage and am I the only one who finds his continued prominent role to be baffling?

Brooke has a lot of family. Brothers: Bryce, Spencer. Sisters: Shannon, Stephani, Jessica.

You find any quotes from any of them? Recent ones?


RstJ

Zak was made the spokesperson at the very beginning of the investigation.

[Anngelique]

Zak was made the spokesperson at the very beginning of the investigation.

By the way, Zak and his wife were the ones who managed the apartments where Brooke was abducted.

[RobertStJames]

By the way, Zak and his wife were the ones who managed the apartments where Brooke was abducted.
Yeah, we got that. Since you seem to know a lot about this case, perhaps you could tell me what Zak's alibi is for that day?


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Yeah, we got that. Since you seem to know a lot about this case, perhaps you could tell me what Zak's alibi is for that day?


RstJ

Wow!!!!

[Anngelique]

You asked earlier what did it mean by the LE knowing what didn't happen. I copied the article below from a news source. What was meant by that is that it was NOT a family member or someone close to her! I can't believe you insinuated that. They were the first people looked at and a year later the investigation is far from them.



Hansen and his wife, Brooke's sister Stephanie, were the last known people to see her. They left Brooke that Monday afternoon cleaning lights in the parking lot, and returned to find her cleaning supplies, flip-flops, car, keys and cell phone, but no Brooke.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600136317,00.html


Noble said they have ruled out Brooke running away, and have also exhausted investigations of people close to her.

``We're closer to solving the case today _ only from the standpoint that we know what hasn't happened,'' Noble said.

Noble said abductions by total strangers are rare, but that's what he believes may have happened.
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_144193015.html

[Anngelique]

Brooke: One year later

By Jennifer Nitson
For the Democrat-Herald

CORVALLIS — Brooke Wilberger went missing one year ago on May 24.

Police investigators have received 5,000 tips regarding the apparent abduction — including 500 possible sightings, 500 potential suspects named to police, 450 tips from psychics and information on 250 suspect vehicles.

So far police have looked closely at 60 "persons of interest," and have conducted polygraph tests, served search warrants and subpoenas.


Dozens of investigators from a task force that includes Corvallis police, the Benton County Sheriff's Office, the FBI, Oregon State Police and the Benton County District Attorney's Office have spent untold hours compiling information and chasing leads.

Thousands of community volunteers have assisted in the search since Wilberger disappeared while cleaning lamp posts in a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot on a sunny day last spring.

A Web site set up to aid the investigation, findbrooke.com, has received almost 500,000 hits.

Divers have searched bodies of water, and Foster Lake near Sweet Home was searched with high-tech sonar equipment. Even satellite photos have been scoured for clues.

The task force can access the latest technology when needed in the search, and its investigation is still, seemingly, very near square one.

At a press conference Tuesday, Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble described the investigation — what's been done, what they know now and where it might lead.

"Are we any closer to solving the case today than we were May 24, 2004?" Noble said in response to a reporter's question. "Only by the standpoint that we know what hasn't happened."
For instance, Noble said, the task force firmly believes Wilberger did not run away. They also believe she was not abducted by an acquaintance, friend, family member or boyfriend.

Investigators "strongly believe the incident was a stranger abduction."

Still, with little evidence but the cleaning supplies and a pair of flip flops left behind on the asphalt, and no leads that have panned out, investigators are still waiting for that one tip — the break that will lead to Wilberger or her abductor, Noble said.

The investigation will not end, Noble said, until every bit of information investigators have has been exhaustively checked out.

The missing woman's parents, Greg and Cammy Wilberger, and brothers-in-law Zak Hansen and Jared Cordon, were asked why Brooke's case has garnered so much media attention.

"Brooke was just an ordinary girl in the wrong place," Cammy Wilberger said. "I think people can identify with that. When people see that, they think that ‘It could be my child.'"

And it could be, she said, stressing that people should be aware of their surroundings at all times, for their own safety.

The family appealed to the person responsible for the abduction.

"Bring her back," Hansen said. "You've had her for a year. I think it's time you bring her back to us."

Cammy Wilberger added: "Come forward with what you know."

She continues to express hope that her daughter will be found alive but indicated that she is grappling with the idea that her fifth child — the second to the youngest — may be dead.

The family said they are trying to get on with their lives and hold onto hope at the same time, but the strain of not knowing what happened to their loved one gets overwhelming at times.

"We're still dealing with the unknown, and that's the piece that we need to resolve, so we can work on moving on," Cammy Wilberger said. "Coping mechanisms don't last forever."

http://democratherald.com/articles/2005/05/25/news/local/news07.txt

[RobertStJames]

Wow!!!!
That's not an answer. What is Zak's alibi?


On May 24, Hansen was in town securing a job offer. Otherwise, he would have stayed at the apartments, which he managed with his wife, Stephanie (Brooke's sister), to help Wilberger clean the light poles lining the south end of the complex beside Philomath highway.


You're aware that Zak has stated, to the OSU Barometer, that the sweatshirt Brooke was wearing was, in fact, his, and that he does not remember where he got it. He thinks a "renter might have left it behind."


RstJ





RstJ

[Anngelique]

A year later, Wilberger family prayerful, realistic
The father of Brooke Wilberger, now missing one year, says relatives know she may never come back

Wednesday, May 25, 2005

RON SOBLE
CORVALLIS -- Tuesday was hauntingly like the day Brooke Wilberger disappeared a year ago: A bright sky illuminated a mild spring day.

Her parents met with reporters a few steps from the Oak Park Apartments, where the 19-year-old Brigham Young University freshman vanished while cleaning outdoor lamps to earn money for fall term.

"It's been a hard year, as you can probably imagine," said Wilberger's mother, Cammy. "We just get up every day thinking, praying and then ready to face the day."

"We have to put our trust in God," said Brooke's father, Greg Wilberger. "There's a plan for everyone."

The reality of the situation is sinking in for the family. "We realize she may not come back alive," Greg Wilberger said.

The Veneta couple met with reporters in a small crowded room at the Hilton Garden Inn across the road from Oregon State University's Reser Stadium. The apartment complex where Brooke Wilberger was working is behind the hotel.

Joining them were two of Brooke Wilberger's brothers-in-law, Zak Hansen, 31, of Corvallis, who managed the apartments; and Jared Cordon, 30, of Portland.

Police have never wavered in their belief that Wilberger was abducted last May 24. An intensive search by a task force made up of Corvallis detectives, the FBI, Oregon State Police and Benton County sheriff's deputies has come up empty.

"We are at the same place," Corvallis police Capt. Ron Noble said. But he added: "We're not done yet. This isn't a cold case."

Detectives found Wilberger's flip-flops, cell phone, keys, wallet and Ford Contour near where she was last seen.

Close to 5,000 tips have poured in for sorting by the task force. Even Tuesday, before the news conference, a woman left a manila envelope at the hotel desk purportedly containing information about the disappearance, Noble said. He declined to comment on its contents. Almost 60 people have been on the task force's "persons of interest" list, including two under investigation now. Noble wouldn't identify them.

Kurt Wuest, a retired Lane County sheriff's deputy who has volunteered time to help in the investigation, concentrates on scrutinizing leads and thinks the stack of information will yield a break in the case.

"Maybe this one or that one can use a second glance," he said in a recent interview. "There will be things that fall through the cracks. It's inevitable."

http://www.oregonlive.com/regional/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1117015131252140.xml&coll=7

[mysteriew]

Police have released one more detail regarding a 911 call made the day Brooke Wilberger was abducted, in hopes of making contact with a man named Brian.

The man, who only gave a first name, used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot. He reported seeing a speeding and recklessly driven green-mini van in the Rickreal area, north of Monmouth.

Brian made that call at 11 a.m., said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble. Wilberger was last seen by family members around 10 a.m. May 24, 2004.

http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/community/friloc03.txt

[KatherineQ]

I thought they arrived at the 10:50 a.m. time frame based on the amount of work she'd gotten done since being seen at 10 a.m.

[scandi]

Hi everyone,

Most interesting I must say, and must comment further that I am glad that we now have something to try to figure out in this special case.

What didn't happen is what the police chief knows. And it leads him to what did happen by elimination, right?

* No strange or out of place car was reported being seen.

* No one came forward to say they heard someone scream out.

* No one saw her after 10am. {As to calculating time from 10am by the amount of work finished by Brooke on the lamppost, it would not be a fact and only an assumption. I don't think it would be allowed in court or to use in seeking a search warrant}.

To a layman like me, it suggests clearly that she was grabbed quickly, before she could utter a sound or a scream. And it could have happened in seconds or in a few blinks of an eye. That would probably rule out someone she knew as they would probably chat a bit, unless she was cracked over the head from behind, her perp unbenownst to her slipped up on her without making a sound. I suppose the quickness of her bing taken doesn't rule out family or someone she knew, but it would not be a probable assesment, I would think. They would use their wiles to get her into their car and away from the property.

The only thing I can see that would further tell the story as to what didn't happen to Brooke would be the position her flip flops were in when they were discovered. If they were set askew wouldn't that mean she didn't leave on her own but rather unwillingly?

Everything to me adds up to a quick abduction by a stranger.. And I must say whomever here talked about the car being able to be parked while unseen and not in the parking lot to the apt, gives me further thought that that would lend itself to such a scenario.

Being hit hard over the head would incapacitate her but leave blood I think. It makes more sense to me that he threw a wire over her head from behind to grab her and not cause her to die. In the 30 or so minutes it would take to drive up to Rickreall, she could possibly be then waking up, realizing her status and trying to fight valiantly to get out of the moving car which would cause eratic driving to be noticed. She might have grabbed the wheel unexpectedly which wouold cause him to swerve.

Gee, I wish I knew where this guy they have in custody lives. Is it up N of Corvallis?

Another thing I'm thinking is that this new found 911 call has triggered a search for other things he has done in luring girls to his car. He must have some history of doing something which would lead to this or be the next step up from what he has done before. They know him, they know his vehicle, and there is something unique about it that must have been given away by the 911 caller to add to what they already knew to bring out the news like this.

Did I read that this brown, curly haired guy might be related to Brooke? Forgive me, but my brain gets carried away trying to remember everything and put it into perspective.

Has anything been written about what psychics have said about Brooke? I read a poster here senses something about the #10. Does that have any meaning to anyone?

xoxoxo Scandi

I live in Portland but work for a contractor out of Eugene and am a native Oregonian. I feel so connected to this case, and do hope this lead that the police are excited about bears the fruit of finding Brooke to bring her on home.

[Anngelique]

Hi everyone,

Most interesting I must say, and must comment further that I am glad that we now have something to try to figure out in this special case.

What didn't happen is what the police chief knows. And it leads him to what did happen by elimination, right?

* No strange or out of place car was reported being seen.

* No one came forward to say they heard someone scream out.

* No one saw her after 10am. {As to calculating time from 10am by the amount of work finished by Brooke on the lamppost, it would not be a fact and only an assumption. I don't think it would be allowed in court or to use in seeking a search warrant}.

To a layman like me, it suggests clearly that she was grabbed quickly, before she could utter a sound or a scream. And it could have happened in seconds or in a few blinks of an eye. That would probably rule out someone she knew as they would probably chat a bit, unless she was cracked over the head from behind, her perp unbenownst to her slipped up on her without making a sound. I suppose the quickness of her bing taken doesn't rule out family or someone she knew, but it would not be a probable assesment, I would think. They would use their wiles to get her into their car and away from the property.

The only thing I can see that would further tell the story as to what didn't happen to Brooke would be the position her flip flops were in when they were discovered. If they were set askew wouldn't that mean she didn't leave on her own but rather unwillingly?

Everything to me adds up to a quick abduction by a stranger.. And I must say whomever here talked about the car being able to be parked while unseen and not in the parking lot to the apt, gives me further thought that that would lend itself to such a scenario.

Being hit hard over the head would incapacitate her but leave blood I think. It makes more sense to me that he threw a wire over her head from behind to grab her and not cause her to die. In the 30 or so minutes it would take to drive up to Rickreall, she could possibly be then waking up, realizing her status and trying to fight valiantly to get out of the moving car which would cause eratic driving to be noticed. She might have grabbed the wheel unexpectedly which wouold cause him to swerve.

Gee, I wish I knew where this guy they have in custody lives. Is it up N of Corvallis?

Another thing I'm thinking is that this new found 911 call has triggered a search for other things he has done in luring girls to his car. He must have some history of doing something which would lead to this or be the next step up from what he has done before. They know him, they know his vehicle, and there is something unique about it that must have been given away by the 911 caller to add to what they already knew to bring out the news like this.

Did I read that this brown, curly haired guy might be related to Brooke? Forgive me, but my brain gets carried away trying to remember everything and put it into perspective.

Has anything been written about what psychics have said about Brooke? I read a poster here senses something about the #10. Does that have any meaning to anyone?

xoxoxo Scandi

I live in Portland but work for a contractor out of Eugene and am a native Oregonian. I feel so connected to this case, and do hope this lead that the police are excited about bears the fruit of finding Brooke to bring her on home.

No, the brown, curly haired person was a person who was seen in the green van the day before by the worker. I believe he was parked in a parking lot at Resers Stadium.

[scandi]

Thanks Annegelique,

Reser's Stadiumis a very public place. I wonder what it really was that caught the eye of the worker about this man sitting in a car in the drivers seat with his door open? I think it would be a great place to meet someone if they didn't know the area well.

Annegelique, did the writer or reporter that posted here for a while at first ever come back to post again? Just wondering.


xoxox Scandi

[RobertStJames]

Hi everyone,

Most interesting I must say, and must comment further that I am glad that we now have something to try to figure out in this special case.

What didn't happen is what the police chief knows. And it leads him to what did happen by elimination, right?

* No strange or out of place car was reported being seen.

* No one came forward to say they heard someone scream out.

* No one saw her after 10am. {As to calculating time from 10am by the amount of work finished by Brooke on the lamppost
Scandi,

You ever consider the possibility that Brooke was never out there cleaning lampposts at all?




RstJ

[Beffie]

Scandi,

You ever consider the possibility that Brooke was never out there cleaning lampposts at all?




RstJ

Do you think the brother in law took her earlier and planted her stuff there?

I guess I never thought that maybe she didn't go out to clean the lamppost.

It is an interesting thought. I like to believe it was a stranger abduction, did anyone see Brooke cleaning the lampost?

It seems like the family is really close and the police would have questioned the last person to see her (Brother in law was the last, right?).

[Scorpion]

this looks to me like they have a very good possible lead. I feel that the man they are looking for is already in jail, or has been. I feel brooke is no longer with us, I wonder if maybe they could have been two people in the van. one to drive and the other one to slide the van door open and snatch her inside. the police and any other search groups I would encourage strongly to search within a 10 mile radius of where she went missing. for some reason from day one I have felt that she was taken no more than 10 miles away, the number 10 keeps appearing in my mind for some reason, is there a hwy 10 or interstate 10 in that area, state route 10? this could be the answer they are looking for...
I felt that Brooke was gone quite early on. It seems perfectly possible that two abductors were involved.

:chicken: I am kind of chicken to do this, but I feel compelled. I want this time stamped and posted record that my guess for who the person of interest is, is James M. Hickman. I'd surely like to know if he has a green Dodge Van. So if soon they announce that they are charging him with something, I would have the small satisfaction of knowing I deduced it correctly. He is over 200 pounds and could overpower someone petite like Brooke. And BTW, this is just my guess and opinion, not scientifically proven or anything. If I am wrong, I'm wrong.
Just curious, IndigoFalls as to what led you to name this man - I can't find any reference to him.

I really did think Evans was a strong possibilitly - particularly as the last report I found stated that he had no alibi for his whereabouts on the day of Brooke's disappearance. Can't find anything indicating whether he's in or out of jail. However, the description doesn't fit him. But what if there were two of them? You probably wouldn't notice him so much.

Can anybody play the 911 call on this link?

911 call that led to Evans' arrest is released

http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=71834

I'm just wondering if it's been pulled. They certainly know what kind of vehicle Evans had.

[Anngelique]

I felt that Brooke was gone quite early on. It seems perfectly possible that two abductors were involved.


Just curious, IndigoFalls as to what led you to name this man - I can't find any reference to him.

I really did think Evans was a strong possibilitly - particularly as the last report I found stated that he had no alibi for his whereabouts on the day of Brooke's disappearance. Can't find anything indicating whether he's in or out of jail. However, the description doesn't fit him. But what if there were two of them? You probably wouldn't notice him so much.

Can anybody play the 911 call on this link?

911 call that led to Evans' arrest is released

http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=71834

I'm just wondering if it's been pulled. They certainly know what kind of vehicle Evans had.

No, the link does not work any longer. But Evan's has been cleared and is no longer a person of interest in THIS case, but he has a LOT of legal troubles ahead of him for other offenses.

[Scorpion]

No, the link does not work any longer. But Evan's has been cleared and is no longer a person of interest in THIS case, but he has a LOT of legal troubles ahead of him for other offenses.
Oh well, at least they're aware of him now I guess.

[Anngelique]

Scandi,

You ever consider the possibility that Brooke was never out there cleaning lampposts at all?




RstJ

So you are implying that the LE has botched this case and have no clue what they are doing? That because they have not realeased the alibi of the the brother Zak, or because they have not told you exactly why they believed she was out cleaning lamp posts, they are deceiving themselves and that the culprit is her brother-in-law?

Just for your information the LE has not released much about this case... period. As I have said before, the media has run with a couple of leads, but each time the LE was interviewed and questioned, they always said pretty much the same thing. No comment. They have been extremely tight lipped. I can see that you don't like the fact that they have not been releasing what information they have. So instead you are inventing a conspiracy theory and blaming the family even though the LE HAS said it was NOT someone close and it WAS a stranger abduction. The LE would have reason's for this and they HAVE looked into each and every family member and close friend. So I find your accusations rubble and on the verge of slanderous.

[dannyodie]

No, the link does not work any longer. But Evan's has been cleared and is no longer a person of interest in THIS case, but he has a LOT of legal troubles ahead of him for other offenses.

I remember reading about that evans guy. the man that remembers the van being parked looked suspicious to him and that he thought that the man looked like he had kinda long hair, this picture that the link leads too looks like his hair had been somewhat a recent one, this man I don't think came into the picture till sometime after she went missing. maybe he got a hair cut that same day or the next. hopefully he wasn't sleuth enough to evade their investigation on him

http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=71834

[Anngelique]

Argggh, I wrote a long post and it disappeared when I tried to send it.

Evans is a very BAD seed. He was very heavily investigated. Mainly because his step-sister felt he was guilty of taking Brooke. He was first looked at when he tried to lure a woman at a Ross' Dress for Less. He got a face full mace. He was very heavy into drugs at this time. His step-sister led police to some concrete he had poured in the basement of the rental home he was living in. Speculation was they would find Brooke burried under the cement. The police investigated this, and after a very thorough investigation into this Evans guy, determined he could be taken off a person of interest list for Brooke's case. The LE has been very tight lipped and they have not released reasons why he was cleared. The same is to be said with Kim (the panty thief). He is in all kind of trouble in so many counties, but he has been cleared as far as Brooke's case goes. There have been over 50 persons of interest in Brooke's case, and the LE has been working hard, investigating and then clearing these individuals one by one. Again, LE has not said much on what they are doing in particular but they have told us that they have been investigating and ruling individuals out. This include the immediate family and her close friends. They also have been deeply investigated. At this time we have only 2 persons of interest being looked at. One person we know nothing about. The other is the owner of the green van. Until they are cleared they are the best hope we have. Again, I reiterate, the LE has not been telling the public all that they do behind scenes, we just know that they have said they have investigated these people and for reasons not known to the public they have been cleared. The owner of the green van has been on the person of interest list for 6 months now and has NOT been cleared at this time. In fact, now they are asking the public for help in placing him at the scene.

[RobertStJames]

Do you think the brother in law took her earlier and planted her stuff there?

I guess I never thought that maybe she didn't go out to clean the lamppost.

It is an interesting thought. I like to believe it was a stranger abduction, did anyone see Brooke cleaning the lampost?

It seems like the family is really close and the police would have questioned the last person to see her (Brother in law was the last, right?).
He says it was his wife:

Greta (May 26?)

VAN SUSTEREN: Zak, let me go to you now. I think we've fixed our audio problem. Zak, was she staying with you and your wife?
HANSEN: Yes, that is correct. She comes up during the work week and stays with us and our family and works at the apartment complex here.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When was the last time, Zak, you or your wife saw Brooke?
HANSEN: At 10:00 o'clock on Monday morning.
VAN SUSTEREN: And under what circumstances -- was it you or your wife who saw her at about 10:00 o'clock?
HANSEN: It was my wife. And the normal circumstances.


The reason I've always questioned that lammpost story is because of this article, Jun 2, 2004 in the Gazette Times:

But she took pride in her work. Recently, as she drove through the complex with her mom, Brooke pointed them out: "Look at that, Mom. Those are the cleanest light
posts in Corvallis. I cleaned them myself."


Huh? This is not a detail the reporter made up, or one they fudged. Brooke appears to be telling her mother that she'd already cleaned those posts.

She couldn't have been claiming to have cleaned them in 2003. And it makes no sense at all that she'd be cleaning them once a week or even once a month.

If you want an exercise in frustration, try finding an article where anybody saw her out there that day.

RstJ


RstJ

[Anngelique]

He says it was his wife:

Greta (May 26?)

VAN SUSTEREN: Zak, let me go to you now. I think we've fixed our audio problem. Zak, was she staying with you and your wife?
HANSEN: Yes, that is correct. She comes up during the work week and stays with us and our family and works at the apartment complex here.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When was the last time, Zak, you or your wife saw Brooke?
HANSEN: At 10:00 o'clock on Monday morning.
VAN SUSTEREN: And under what circumstances -- was it you or your wife who saw her at about 10:00 o'clock?
HANSEN: It was my wife. And the normal circumstances.


The reason I've always questioned that lammpost story is because of this article, Jun 2, 2004 in the Gazette Times:

But she took pride in her work. Recently, as she drove through the complex with her mom, Brooke pointed them out: "Look at that, Mom. Those are the cleanest light
posts in Corvallis. I cleaned them myself."


Huh? This is not a detail the reporter made up, or one they fudged. Brooke appears to be telling her mother that she'd already cleaned those posts.

She couldn't have been claiming to have cleaned them in 2003. And it makes no sense at all that she'd be cleaning them once a week or even once a month.

If you want an exercise in frustration, try finding an article where anybody saw her out there that day.

RstJ


RstJ

And you don't think it is possible she did some one week and some another? You think she did every light post all in one day? That seems like a huge job since from the pictures I have seen there are so many of them!

You also don't think the LE is intelligent enough to come to the same questions as you do about the light posts? They just skimmed over that and said forget it? You don't think the LE has pinpointed the alibi of the people who last saw her and she was staying with? (namely her sister and brother-in-law?) You think the LE is doing shoddy work and it is right under their noses this whole time? It was a set-up and she never was out there cleaning the posts? And just because it has not been reported that she was actually out there cleaning the lamp posts, you feel she was NOT. There isn't a possibility that some students who live in the apartment did come forward and say they saw her cleaning them? You just don't know because you are not privy to ALL the information. The only thing stated was the sister was the LAST to see her. Not that she was the ONLY one to see her. You are jumping to HUGE conclusions that aren't necessarily there.

[LillyRush]

[QUOTE=IndigoFalls]Hi, When I took pictures and looked around last year, there was a game going on at Reser Stadium, and the Hilton had cars parked in their lot, but not one person or car way in the back of the gravel parking lot that has a gate that goes to Oak Park Apts. Also, when I drove in and looked around, I only saw about one person, and nobody asked me what I was doing or did I want an apartment or anything. It would have been easy to park in the big lot, the big, most vacant lot, that is, and walk through the gate.[QUOTE]

Thanks for the insights into the surroundings..makes more sense now how someone could just be there w/o garnering much attention. Also, I was thinking 10am-ish is usually a pretty dead time in most neighborhoods and apartment complexes. Most people are at work, sahms have dropped off all the kids and might be shopping, and even late rising college students have to leave for late morning classes by then.

[Bhodirasta]

I too am in OR. This case hits home. Everyday, I see a billboard with Brooke.

--- They found some VERY disturbing items in Kim's cell. They found a letter written to his parents saying that they should come with " 5 or 6 people " and they should bring "their guns" because "they are better than anything LE has" (remember the aresenal that was found in the house?)
He was planning an escape.

Also, they found child pornography, pornography with women, and also, a picture of a woman that had her breast surgically removed. Articles and letters found in his cell, that could be reported, contained words such as "rape" "torture" and "whore".

If there is ONE good thing that came out of this, it is that Kim just might be staying behind bars for a loooong loooong time.

Could he be connected somehow? LE surely would have figured this out by now, but good gawd, that is just HORRIBLE.

St. James, I understand your skepticism. I also understand Anngeliques confidence.
I surely hope that Anngelique is right, that it is NOT being reported, because if no one really did NOT see Brooke cleaning lightposts, then yes, that is ODD to say the least...

-Why do I keep comparing this case to Elizabeth Smart??? Elizabeth was of course, much younger, but the "idea" (or even hope that she is still alive) is the same...
-I am gonna say this, because I have been thinking it for a while now, but of course, this is a WILD SHOT IN THE DARK, but there is a FLDS "commune" not too far from where Brooke was abducted. That "commune" was the place the Lafferty Brothers visited right before they killed Brenda Lafferty and her dear dear baby...
This is more HOPE that she is alive, than reality, but no one can fault me for that... I do HOPE that she was "stolen" like Smart, and not abducted by some "stranger" that killed her...

[RobertStJames]

And you don't think it is possible she did some one week and some another? You think she did every light post all in one day? That seems like a huge job since from the pictures I have seen there are so many of them!

Yeah, well I've *been* there, and there just aren't that many. Not even a full day's work. And they were all spotless when I looked at them. And I looked at every single one of them. Carefully.

Yes, LE screws up cases sometimes. That's what happened here. Fortunately, I don't think Capt. Noble was one of the ones fooled, and he's running the case now. The guy who used to be running it, Capt. Deutsch, was applying for a job in Los Alamos on 1/9/2005. That is to say, about six months ago, when LE first came up with their current (and extremely secret) POI.

You think someone else saw her? You think that with reporters from local, state, even national levels all over Corvallis that nobody was able to find a witness who would say they saw her? Even an anonymous one?

btw, what do you make of the fact that her sister has not said one single word to the press, ever? Do you think that was helpful in finding out what happened to Brooke?

RstJ

[lynie]

I too am in OR. This case hits home. Everyday, I see a billboard with Brooke.

--- They found some VERY disturbing items in Kim's cell. They found a letter written to his parents saying that they should come with " 5 or 6 people " and they should bring "their guns" because "they are better than anything LE has" (remember the aresenal that was found in the house?)
He was planning an escape.

Also, they found child pornography, pornography with women, and also, a picture of a woman that had her breast surgically removed. Articles and letters found in his cell, that could be reported, contained words such as "rape" "torture" and "whore".

If there is ONE good thing that came out of this, it is that Kim just might be staying behind bars for a loooong loooong time.

Could he be connected somehow? LE surely would have figured this out by now, but good gawd, that is just HORRIBLE.

St. James, I understand your skepticism. I also understand Anngeliques confidence.
I surely hope that Anngelique is right, that it is NOT being reported, because if no one really did NOT see Brooke cleaning lightposts, then yes, that is ODD to say the least...

-Why do I keep comparing this case to Elizabeth Smart??? Elizabeth was of course, much younger, but the "idea" (or even hope that she is still alive) is the same...
-I am gonna say this, because I have been thinking it for a while now, but of course, this is a WILD SHOT IN THE DARK, but there is a FLDS "commune" not too far from where Brooke was abducted. That "commune" was the place the Lafferty Brothers visited right before they killed Brenda Lafferty and her dear dear baby...
This is more HOPE that she is alive, than reality, but no one can fault me for that... I do HOPE that she was "stolen" like Smart, and not abducted by some "stranger" that killed her...

Hey Bhodi! Funny that you should mention that...a few of us just finished "Under the Banner of Heaven" a few months ago. A couple of the people that read it mentioned that very same thing, that like Elizabeth Smart, they felt that Brooke was abducted for a plural marriage in the Corvallis/Woodburn compound. I only wish it were that easy and simple!

[starpatch]

I live in Springfield Oregon, my son works with Brooks father.

[Bhodirasta]

Hey Bhodi! Funny that you should mention that...a few of us just finished "Under the Banner of Heaven" a few months ago. A couple of the people that read it mentioned that very same thing, that like Elizabeth Smart, they felt that Brooke was abducted for a plural marriage in the Corvallis/Woodburn compound. I only wish it were that easy and simple!

I know lynie. It is definitely easier than the "other" alternative...
Weird how close Woodburn is, isn't it? I had no idea that the "commune" even existed until I read that book. Scandi brings up a really good point about the flip flops. I wish we knew how close they were found to one another...
Also weird how the callers name was BRIAN (david mitchell) and also weird how we are just now learning about it...
I can't beleive they haven't found him yet.

[lynie]

I live in Springfield Oregon, my son works with Brooks father.

Oh Starpatch....I cannot imagine the pain Brookes father must feel. My daughter attends the high school that one of the sons-in-law (Jared Condon)
is Vice Principal of. Before I found out that they were related I thought Jared was a very open and friendly guy, and once I found out this little bit about his personal life, I admire him more. Awesome family, in my opinion.....

[lynie]

I know lynie. It is definitely easier than the "other" alternative...
Weird how close Woodburn is, isn't it? I had no idea that the "commune" even existed until I read that book. Scandi brings up a really good point about the flip flops. I wish we knew how close they were found to one another...
Also weird how the callers name was BRIAN (david mitchell) and also weird how we are just now learning about it...
I can't beleive they haven't found him yet.

Woodburn is close, and even more concerning is how much in its own world it has become. We drove through there a couple of months ago. In the original "downtown" area you would swear you were in a town in Mexico. All of the stores are latino themed, and the signs written in spanish. Travel toward I-5 and it is all-American Burger King and outlet mall. Yet in Woodburn as well is a large Russian immigrant population, and a Mennonite settlement too. All of this and the recent (to me!) revelation of a polygamist sect too!!

I think all of these factors plus the fact that it is a rural area make it a perfect place to hide somebody!! Not that I think Brooke is there, but I sure would like it if she were!!

[gardenmom]

Yeah, well I've *been* there, and there just aren't that many. Not even a full day's work. And they were all spotless when I looked at them. And I looked at every single one of them. Carefully.

Yes, LE screws up cases sometimes. That's what happened here. Fortunately, I don't think Capt. Noble was one of the ones fooled, and he's running the case now. The guy who used to be running it, Capt. Deutsch, was applying for a job in Los Alamos on 1/9/2005. That is to say, about six months ago, when LE first came up with their current (and extremely secret) POI.

You think someone else saw her? You think that with reporters from local, state, even national levels all over Corvallis that nobody was able to find a witness who would say they saw her? Even an anonymous one?

btw, what do you make of the fact that her sister has not said one single word to the press, ever? Do you think that was helpful in finding out what happened to Brooke?

RstJ
So why don't you turn in this bit of info you have found and "enlighten" the police, pun intended.

[starpatch]

Oh Starpatch....I cannot imagine the pain Brookes father must feel. My daughter attends the high school that one of the sons-in-law (Jared Condon)
is Vice Principal of. Before I found out that they were related I thought Jared was a very open and friendly guy, and once I found out this little bit about his personal life, I admire him more. Awesome family, in my opinion.....
What my son says about the father of Brook is the same as you feel towards the son-in-law, a wonderful family.
I cannot even imagine the pain.

[scandi]

Hi Bhodie,

If they have found him maybe mum's the word! They still might need any info on sightings of the minivan as to for instance luring or following females.

I respect your opinion Robert as you evidently have put a lot of thought into the case. From what I have read, it seems the Corvallis police might be exceptionally apt at their approach to solving the crime. I believe the general public only needs to know what is imperative to gain information to solve the crime. Solving the crime is #1 and so whatever it takes that is legal by LE to do this is fine with me. There must be reasons they can't clue us in on particulars.

Hey, wouldn't it be great if they had a special call-line for crime-forum sleuthers!

I did study the Elizabeth Smart case with great dedication, and remember times when many of us felt the SLCPD was simply inept and doing nothing to solve the case as we never heard what they knew or were doing. I was very nieve at that time. Now our beloved PC Corona was always out in front of the public drawing them in to the case ~ but it was a different scenario with a fresh abduction and a visual description of a car and perp by Samantha's playmate.

As to the reported scenario and the facts in the case about Brooke being in the act of cleaning lamp posts when she disappeared, we can only go on what was reported by the family here. Where did it come from that they had judged what time Brooke was taken from 10am by the amount of work she had accomplished that morning?

The other thought I have is that there are posters here who might have inside information about the case. For instance, a name was thrown out on this thread wondering if he could be the perp. Who is this guy she mentions? There must be a reason the poster wondered about this. And in the beginning of the case we had a poster here for a short while who seemed to know a lot about the inside workings of the case. He was a reporter for a paper I think in the local area. At times reading him I felt goosebumps travel up and down my body!

So, there is one more thing I am curious about. Does anyone here know anything about the POI with the green minivan? His name or if his home is north of Corvallis. It is so eerie, but looking at what we know about Evans who was discounted as Brooke's perp, he seems to fit so much of a profile in the case. What kind of a car does he have. Is he still in jail. His previous crimes could be a precedent to an abduction/murder, as all criminals develop in their crimes and for instance rapists often do become abductors and then eventually murderers. Right? I think what we learned about Kim today shows how a panty thief sicko could easily progress to an abductor who could eventually disect a womans breast right off her body and feel it was his way to make the world a better place! Pretty scary, IMHO.

We do have a tight team of interested sleuths living close by in the Willamette Valley. Ya Ya


Scandi

[RobertStJames]

Hi Bhodie,

<..>
The other thought I have is that there are posters here who might have inside information about the case. For instance, a name was thrown out on this thread wondering if he could be the perp. Who is this guy she mentions? There must be a reason the poster wondered about this. And in the beginning of the case we had a poster here for a short while who seemed to know a lot about the inside workings of the case. He was a reporter for a paper I think in the local area. At times reading him I felt goosebumps travel up and down my body!
<...>

Scandi
NewsPerson. Best posts on the case, although he had no real inside information. He mentioned there were vicious rumors circling around the apartment complexes close to Oak Park. He never said what they were.


RstJ

[scandi]

Hi again!

It is 10:15pm and have just heard on the news that Brooke's case has gone national with the advent of America's Most Wanted now actively working on her case.

The more input and activity on the case the better, right? I guess everyone here is asleep, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to hear any answers to my questions. I think a turning point is here in finding out what happened to Brooke and where she is at present. Well, I should clarify that by saying I think the investigation will take an uphill swing now which will lead to confirming the studied feelings of the detectives in the case that will culminate in naming her killer and finding Brooke.

I do think of her family and friends tonight ~ and everyone who has cared enough to study her case and assist with their ideas to help bring her home. On edge, let's all be on edge with positive thoughts to assist those who are trying to solve this mystery and bring her home.


Starpatch!~ How great to see you here. Springfield is so close, and I never knew you were within a 2 1/2 hour drive!!! Have been concentrating on video surveillance systems in your area lately as there is a strong need for buisnesses to have that edge of safety. What growth I see there, as like nothing I have seen in the last 2 years! xoxoxoxo


Scandi

PS: I've also gotta say that Woodburn has blown my mind. I know there are a lot of new Mexxican reataurants,, bakeries and stores there, as many have popped up on my alcohol application list. But this news about a Mennonite camp being located there, with everything implied by your posts, is amazing to me in this day and age. Does KATU know about its existance? Have never seen it featured on a news show.

[scandi]

Thanks Robert,

I don't remember about the rumors circling around. I'll have to go back and reread his posts on the other thread. But he was a local journalist who was right there at the beginning of the case, and wonder how he could help but come to conclusions from 'inside' info he would have to glean just by knowing so many people involved in the case like he stated he did.

In fact he was so in tune with what LE & the media was putting forth that I often wanted to know more about him. In other words, for a new case and such a tragic happening, I thought he might have been a bit too knowledgable about the goings on right out of the chute! Maybe I have just watched too many crime shows, LOL

And if you are reading here Newsperson, there is nothing personal about what I said. I was your most avid reader. I just wished you had stuck around instead of suddenly dropping out of sight. We'd love to hear what you think with the advent of our new information on the case.


Scandi

[IndigoFalls]

I had the impression that newsperson was a woman. Whoever he or she was, they did stop posting. Perhaps their boss told them it wasn't really appropriate or something. Most of us don't know when we see a post, who is behind the post.

I named a possible perp, only so that if it turns out later that I am right, I will have a time stamped record that I guessed it. I am an amateur sleuth. I am not connected in any way with the news, television, press, police or sheriff's dept. or anything. I would just really would enjoy helping to solve this tragic thing that has happened to Brooke. I don't want to give away any of my efforts that led me to name a possible perp as I did. If I am right, good. I will tell more information later if it turns out that way. If I am wrong, then the guy doesn't deserve to have whatever little pittance of clues and sleuthing I have come up with be spread around.

I have noticed on this group that lots of people get their information wrong and/or jump to conclusions. I almost hate to say anything. I came back after months away, because they had the new lead about the green van and because I was hoping this time would be different.

I posted that I would love to know of any of the 450 psychic tips had any reference to Polynesian type statues or Easter Island type statues, small ones and something made out of clay? I didn't say anything about the description of the possible perp being Polynesian. That wasn't what I meant at all. Does anybody on this board know of any of the psychic tips, or are all 450 of them secret?

I complimented Robert St. James (I'm going from memory and I think I have that right?) I apologize if I don't. Anyway, I said his pictures I could see were very good. But I asked if he noticed the gate? and if he got a picture of it, and never heard anything in the way of an answer. Maybe there was one and I missed it. I'm afraid if I go back to look up each little thing and name, that I'll get bumped and lose all I have typed so far.

Also RStJ, you mentioned a name in parentheses after your remark that Brian (then I think you typed David Mitchell or something like that) made a 911 call. I am not being facetious. I really don't know why that name was there or who it is or what it means? Would you be willing to say more about it? It was very interesting that the sister that lives at Oak Park (or did live there) never appeared in public about it. But we don't know her reasons. Maybe she was afraid she would just fall completely apart in front of the public. Mormons usually, but not always, have very tight-knit family values, and strong ones, but the males can be a bit chauvinistic. Perhaps it was just assumed that Zak (the man of the family at that location) would handle speaking for her. Come to think of it, I don't even know if he is Mormon.

I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

I wish us all luck in piecing together something that might help solve this. Also, many people are different than me, but if it were my child missing, or my young adult missing, I would probably make a fake name and go here and lurk. I'd be trying everything I could think of for some hope that maybe even the perp posts here or that someone might propose an idea about how things happened that would actually break the case. We don't know. Bye for now. :twocents:

[CaliKid]

When Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped an uncle (I think) was designated the family spokesman. When Danielle van Damm was kidnapped, a woman who was a friend of mother Brenda addressed the media. Therefore it doesn't surprise me at all that the son-in-law is speaking up for the Wilbergers.

[Anngelique]

I had the impression that newsperson was a woman. Whoever he or she was, they did stop posting. Perhaps their boss told them it wasn't really appropriate or something. Most of us don't know when we see a post, who is behind the post.

I named a possible perp, only so that if it turns out later that I am right, I will have a time stamped record that I guessed it. I am an amateur sleuth. I am not connected in any way with the news, television, press, police or sheriff's dept. or anything. I would just really would enjoy helping to solve this tragic thing that has happened to Brooke. I don't want to give away any of my efforts that led me to name a possible perp as I did. If I am right, good. I will tell more information later if it turns out that way. If I am wrong, then the guy doesn't deserve to have whatever little pittance of clues and sleuthing I have come up with be spread around.

I have noticed on this group that lots of people get their information wrong and/or jump to conclusions. I almost hate to say anything. I came back after months away, because they had the new lead about the green van and because I was hoping this time would be different.

I posted that I would love to know of any of the 450 psychic tips had any reference to Polynesian type statues or Easter Island type statues, small ones and something made out of clay? I didn't say anything about the description of the possible perp being Polynesian. That wasn't what I meant at all. Does anybody on this board know of any of the psychic tips, or are all 450 of them secret?

I complimented Robert St. James (I'm going from memory and I think I have that right?) I apologize if I don't. Anyway, I said his pictures I could see were very good. But I asked if he noticed the gate? and if he got a picture of it, and never heard anything in the way of an answer. Maybe there was one and I missed it. I'm afraid if I go back to look up each little thing and name, that I'll get bumped and lose all I have typed so far.

Also RStJ, you mentioned a name in parentheses after your remark that Brian (then I think you typed David Mitchell or something like that) made a 911 call. I am not being facetious. I really don't know why that name was there or who it is or what it means? Would you be willing to say more about it? It was very interesting that the sister that lives at Oak Park (or did live there) never appeared in public about it. But we don't know her reasons. Maybe she was afraid she would just fall completely apart in front of the public. Mormons usually, but not always, have very tight-knit family values, and strong ones, but the males can be a bit chauvinistic. Perhaps it was just assumed that Zak (the man of the family at that location) would handle speaking for her. Come to think of it, I don't even know if he is Mormon.

I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

I wish us all luck in piecing together something that might help solve this. Also, many people are different than me, but if it were my child missing, or my young adult missing, I would probably make a fake name and go here and lurk. I'd be trying everything I could think of for some hope that maybe even the perp posts here or that someone might propose an idea about how things happened that would actually break the case. We don't know. Bye for now. :twocents:

Wonderful post Indigo! :clap:

The only thing we know about the 911 call is Brian called in about a speeding, recklessly driven mini-van. His call was cut short by his cell phone going dead. I know for a FACT that there are several dead spots in that area especially if they get on Hwy. 22. My husband worked in Dallas and we would talk on his way home from work and we got dropped calls. That does not mean that it was a dropped call because of a dead spot, it could have been his phone went dead. Most likely he felt like he did his duty and did not feel the need to call back. The only other fact that we know, is that the police DO know EXACTLY what mini-van they are looking for. They know where that van is. They know who the owner of this green mini-van is and they have said he is not a threat to the community. They will not confirm that he is in jail, just that he is not a threat to the community.

As far as Brooke's sisters not commenting, we don't know a reason. They could be just too emotional. I don't know if I could speak without breaking down after something like this happening to my loved one. I do know that Zak is LDS. His brother is the one who was setting up and managing the reward fund. I am LDS as well and on sister-in-laws cousin is married to Brooke's sister. As you saw in the Smart case and the Hacking/Soares case, LDS families are very close. I would actually say LDS women are normally more outspoken and very confident women then even the general public. Don't let the false media image of timid/mousy/ oppressed women cloud your judgement. I have yet to know of any LDS woman like that and I have been a member my entire life. Most of the women I know run the family. I have always been teased about wearing the pants in my family. However, we are taught that the husband is the Patriarch of our home and we respect that. But we are also taught that we are equal and one and it is a partnership. So if Lori's sisters don't speak out, I would say it is because they CHOOSE not to speak out. Flip it a little, who do you speaks more in the media, Brooke's mom or Brooke's dad? Definitely Brooke's mom. She has been an amazing woman and tries so hard to be upbeat and positive.

To answer your questions about the psychic tips, I know of no place mentioning them. In fact, the police have been so tight lipped about the whole case there is really not much to go on. Even when Kim and Evans were being investigated you learned about them through other people, NOT the LE. When Evan's step-sister showed KATU the cement he had poured and told the story of him having scratches and bruises on him, the LE basically discredited her story. They kept stressing he was just a person of interest and they were looking into him. So we truly don't know what LE has. I have found no place that mentions any evidence LE has. The only thing I know the LE has said affirmative is they believe it was a stranger abduction. The only other thing I have seen the LE quoted as saying is the time frame of when the 911 call was made and the estimated time Brooke went missing coincide. So we truly don't have much to go on.

We still have several local missionaries wear daily, "Find Brooke" buttons. They are just a photo copy of Brooke that have been lamenated and say "find brooke". Since the missionaries meet people on a daily basis it is a good way to keep her name and face in the public eye.

Brooke is in my heart and thoughts. I pray her family can finally find the truth. I can't say so they can get some resolution because there really is none. Just truth of knowing what happened.

[RobertStJames]

<..>
I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

There is no "Brian." There never was. It was a ruse by LE to get sightings of green minivans north of Corvallis on May 24, 2004.

I think a lot more squabbling *should* have been done rather than accepting the stranger abduction at face value without ever questioning it. And I fail to see how simply repeating news articles is in any way going to help find out what happened. But hey, since we *are* repeating articles, how about this one?

This is Peter Chee writing for the OSU Barometer:



Hansen said he figured Wilberger stubbed her toe and had gotten a ride to the doctor. The thought of Brooke being abducted had not yet entered his mind.
After his own search proved unsuccessful, Hansen was the one who made the first call to the police. It was 3 p.m.



Stubbed her toe?





RstJ

[Bhodirasta]

I had the impression that newsperson was a woman. Whoever he or she was, they did stop posting. Perhaps their boss told them it wasn't really appropriate or something. Most of us don't know when we see a post, who is behind the post.

I named a possible perp, only so that if it turns out later that I am right, I will have a time stamped record that I guessed it. I am an amateur sleuth. I am not connected in any way with the news, television, press, police or sheriff's dept. or anything. I would just really would enjoy helping to solve this tragic thing that has happened to Brooke. I don't want to give away any of my efforts that led me to name a possible perp as I did. If I am right, good. I will tell more information later if it turns out that way. If I am wrong, then the guy doesn't deserve to have whatever little pittance of clues and sleuthing I have come up with be spread around.

I have noticed on this group that lots of people get their information wrong and/or jump to conclusions. I almost hate to say anything. I came back after months away, because they had the new lead about the green van and because I was hoping this time would be different.

I posted that I would love to know of any of the 450 psychic tips had any reference to Polynesian type statues or Easter Island type statues, small ones and something made out of clay? I didn't say anything about the description of the possible perp being Polynesian. That wasn't what I meant at all. Does anybody on this board know of any of the psychic tips, or are all 450 of them secret?

I complimented Robert St. James (I'm going from memory and I think I have that right?) I apologize if I don't. Anyway, I said his pictures I could see were very good. But I asked if he noticed the gate? and if he got a picture of it, and never heard anything in the way of an answer. Maybe there was one and I missed it. I'm afraid if I go back to look up each little thing and name, that I'll get bumped and lose all I have typed so far.

Also RStJ, you mentioned a name in parentheses after your remark that Brian (then I think you typed David Mitchell or something like that) made a 911 call. I am not being facetious. I really don't know why that name was there or who it is or what it means? Would you be willing to say more about it? It was very interesting that the sister that lives at Oak Park (or did live there) never appeared in public about it. But we don't know her reasons. Maybe she was afraid she would just fall completely apart in front of the public. Mormons usually, but not always, have very tight-knit family values, and strong ones, but the males can be a bit chauvinistic. Perhaps it was just assumed that Zak (the man of the family at that location) would handle speaking for her. Come to think of it, I don't even know if he is Mormon.

I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

I wish us all luck in piecing together something that might help solve this. Also, many people are different than me, but if it were my child missing, or my young adult missing, I would probably make a fake name and go here and lurk. I'd be trying everything I could think of for some hope that maybe even the perp posts here or that someone might propose an idea about how things happened that would actually break the case. We don't know. Bye for now. :twocents:

Howdy Indigo! How are ya?
I think you are speaking of my comments about Brian (David Mitchell). Brian David Mitchell was the Mormon WHACKO fundamentalist that kidnapped E. Smart and took her as his bride. He is a polygamist of course... I was speaking of the Mormon Fundamentalist Polygamist "colony" or "commune" located in Corvallis/Woodburn that was the place that the Lafferty brothers visited right before they went and Killed Brenda Lafferty.(not a Mennonite commune). This commune is VERY close to where Brooke was "taken". The "source" of this knowledge is from a book about the Lafferty case by John Krakauer titled "Under the Banner of Heaven". (He also wrote about Everest (he climbed it) "In to Thin Air" and Alaska "In to the Wild") If you are interested in that case, (it also speaks A LOT about the E. Smart case) you can find it in the Sharing forum. I just sent the book to Pepper, and the last I heard, she was done. Lynie also read the book. It is facinating to say the least.
I don't necessarily think that Brooke was Kidnapped as a "God sent" plural wife, but I tell ya what, I would like that MUCH MORE than the alternative...
The parallels are astounding IMHO, and I will readily admit that this is pretty unrealistic, but hey, I don't think I am the only one that sees similarities in the cases...

[scandi]

A pause for thought!

Bhodi, how did this author come up with info that Brooke was taken to a certain place? How reliable do you think it is, in other words, do you think this idea is what investigators working on the case believe as well?

I'm going to have to go back and re-read some earlier posts, as I thought the article stated LE know where the green minivan is and the owner of it is incarcerated on another crime. That's why I wanted to know more about who he is - does anyone know his name?

As to LE giving the public purely false info to get further tips, I don't think they would have to do that Robert. They could just come out and ask that anyone who saw a suspicious green minivan on that date in Corvallis or its proximity, please call us. Right?


Some really great posts here. Had to read every one before I go watch a movie. LOL


Scandi

[RobertStJames]

A pause for thought!

<...>
As to LE giving the public purely false info to get further tips, I don't think they would have to do that Robert. They could just come out and ask that anyone who saw a suspicious green minivan on that date in Corvallis or its proximity, please call us. Right?


Scandi
Sure. Like Modesto Police gave the Laci tip line that hot piece of info about Scott being seen at 3am on the highway towing his boat with something in the back rolled up in a Mexican blanket. An obviously bad tip that MPD was testing the family's Laci hotline with to see if information was being passed back.

LE sometimes does things like this. Especially in the case where they're trying to protect the identity of the POI, which is weird, since they haven't done that for any of their other main suspects.

There may very well be a "Brian" out there. He might even have been around Rickreal at 11am and phoned in a 911 on a lousy driver. He might live in a cave and not be aware that the police would like to hear from him again. The service that took the 911 call might have forgotten to log the cellphone number the call came in on, but remembered to write down the date, time, make of vehicle, and caller's name. I might be Father Christmas and have a workshop full of elves busy making next year's toys.

Don't count on me showing up with a bag full of same on Dec 25 and don't expect to hear anything more about "Brian."


RstJ

[scandi]

I'm wondering why America's Most Wanted is now coming in to work on Brooke's case after it has been a whole year since she disappeared?

Do you think it is because LE might be close to a solution and have contacted AMW as they have the perfect set-up and credibility to get the one tip they need to nail the guy who owns that green minivan? I am having a hard time seeing why it is necessary to find other occurances of this man tailing females or trying to grab them. :confused:

Forgive me, but I just watched 'Suspect Zero' and my mind could be in overdrive! LOL


Scandi

[Anngelique]

I'm wondering why America's Most Wanted is now coming in to work on Brooke's case after it has been a whole year since she disappeared?

Do you think it is because LE might be close to a solution and have contacted AMW as they have the perfect set-up and credibility to get the one tip they need to nail the guy who owns that green minivan? I am having a hard time seeing why it is necessary to find other occurances of this man tailing females or trying to grab them. :confused:

Forgive me, but I just watched 'Suspect Zero' and my mind could be in overdrive! LOL


Scandi

I think this is a very good point, Scandi! LE sure is trying to get help from the public and there has got to be a reason for it. It was mentioned they want to know other places that this min-van was such as in a farmer's field, or remote location so they can find Brooke. That sounds more like a suspect than a person of interest though they have to be politically correct in these things.

[scandi]

Thanks Anngelique, and your explaination sounds right. This guy has been a POI since the beginning, right? Wouldn't you love to know what it is they have on him to keep him in the last two POI's? Do you think they have examined the green minivan? As Robert says the police don't always let out the truth, and since they say they know where it is, do you think it is right under their nose and in the police garage? Possible, I think. If he isn't co-operating with the police but they have say found one of her hairs in that car, I could easily see why they now need AMW and the public's help in seeing where he could have possibly taken her.

By the way, thanks for writing back!!! I was goin' crazy to hear from someone like you who had a further idea. :blowkiss:


Scandi

[RobertStJames]

Thanks Anngelique, and your explaination sounds right. This guy has been a POI since the beginning, right? Wouldn't you love to know what it is they have on him to keep him in the last two POI's? Do you think they have examined the green minivan? As Robert says the police don't always let out the truth, and since they say they know where it is, do you think it is right under their nose and in the police garage? Possible, I think. If he isn't co-operating with the police but they have say found one of her hairs in that car, I could easily see why they now need AMW and the public's help in seeing where he could have possibly taken her.

By the way, thanks for writing back!!! I was goin' crazy to hear from someone like you who had a further idea. :blowkiss:


Scandi
If it was someone who didn't know her and one of her hairs had been found in his vehicle, he'd be under arrest and the press would be all over this thing.

The green minivan is most likely being used on daily basis by the POI, and LE has undoubtably searched it.

Now, put that together with the request for a sample of a sweatshirt (Zak Hansen's sweatshirt, btw) that Brooke was wearing that day and what do you think that adds up to?


RstJ

[gardenmom]

I'm wondering why America's Most Wanted is now coming in to work on Brooke's case after it has been a whole year since she disappeared?

Do you think it is because LE might be close to a solution and have contacted AMW as they have the perfect set-up and credibility to get the one tip they need to nail the guy who owns that green minivan? I am having a hard time seeing why it is necessary to find other occurances of this man tailing females or trying to grab them. :confused:

Forgive me, but I just watched 'Suspect Zero' and my mind could be in overdrive! LOL


Scandi
I watched that movie recently too, wasn't that just about the most disturbing movie you have ever see? :eek:

[scandi]

Yes gardenmom,

I haven't even gone to sleep yet for the night and I've already had a nightmare! LOL

So Robert, are you saying that the police requested of Zack a particular sweatshirt or any sweatshirt that was his and he had worn? The police evidently knew Brooke was wearing one of Zack's sweatshirts when she disappeared, right?

Guess I'd have to know you better to ask why you think Zack is somehow suspicious in Brooke's disappearance. But I will anyway. What makes you think there is something there? Are you putting 2 + 2 together about why Brooke was wearing her brother-in-laws sweatshirt when she went missing? I don't see anything interesting about that. Many times I have asked my son for a shirt or sweatshirt of his that I wanted and he would give it to me. Very simple!


Scandi

[Bhodirasta]

A pause for thought!

Bhodi, how did this author come up with info that Brooke was taken to a certain place? How reliable do you think it is, in other words, do you think this idea is what investigators working on the case believe as well?

I'm going to have to go back and re-read some earlier posts, as I thought the article stated LE know where the green minivan is and the owner of it is incarcerated on another crime. That's why I wanted to know more about who he is - does anyone know his name?

As to LE giving the public purely false info to get further tips, I don't think they would have to do that Robert. They could just come out and ask that anyone who saw a suspicious green minivan on that date in Corvallis or its proximity, please call us. Right?



Scandi


Hi Scandi! It is sooo good to "talk" to you again! Seems like it has been a long while since the LP forum days and Sandra and the mineral deposits, doesn't it?
I should have said it better. I am VERY good at confusing people. LOL!
I was speaking of the proximity of the commune to where Brooke was last seen...
It hasn't been said where Brooke was taken TO, but instead, where she was taken FROM. The commune is in the Corvalis/Woodburn area. I am tempted to go find it... I think my lovey might shoot me though. LOL! (Like I could find it anyway, I could get lost in a cardboard box :D )
I sure wish I had a copy of that book. I wonder if lynie does. It gives details of names and places... The commune does support some mighty "odd" behaviour- nothing short of - well - "an openess to sexuality"...
I know this sounds absolutely ridiculous... But I can't help hoping that she is alive somewhere, kidnapped by some nutter like Mitchell...
What I find Bizarre Scandi, is all of a "sudden"- this mini van and a man named Brian pops in to the picture... There is a reason for it.
Did ALL of the family members take LDTs? (I can't blame em if they didn't, but I do wonder)

[RobertStJames]

Yes gardenmom,


So Robert, are you saying that the police requested of Zack a particular sweatshirt or any sweatshirt that was his and he had worn? The police evidently knew Brooke was wearing one of Zack's sweatshirts when she disappeared, right?

Guess I'd have to know you better to ask why you think Zack is somehow suspicious in Brooke's disappearance. But I will anyway. What makes you think there is something there? Are you putting 2 + 2 together about why Brooke was wearing her brother-in-laws sweatshirt when she went missing? I don't see anything interesting about that. Many times I have asked my son for a shirt or sweatshirt of his that I wanted and he would give it to me. Very simple!


Scandi
He spells his name Zak. He spelled it out at the press conference. LE wants a "freshjive" sweatshirt, dark blue hoodie, that was last made in 1999-2000. The hoodie was Zak's. He says that's what he last saw Brooke wearing. He won't say where it came from. The best he can do is suggest that "a renter left it behind."

Nevermind why a 5'4" girl would want a sweatshirt from a guy that looks at least 6'3". And nevermind why he can't say where it came from. And nevermind that it was a fairly warm day, even in the morning, and she was supposed to be working which would have kept her warm enough. And nevermind that there's not a single sighting of her, hoodie or no, after 10am. And nevermind we didn't hear any of this until very recently. Let's just focus on the facts:

a) Brooke was wearing her bil's sweatshirt when she vanished.
b) Family members (Zak said 'his wife') were the last people to see her
c) No one saw her after that


Wouldn't you just be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious especially when you later learned that Zak left that day to go "secure a job interview" even though he is clearly listed on the staff directory of the job he currently holds and was listed there as of April 2004?

Or is it easier to lay this on a bogeyman from a commune that is apparently invisible?


RstJ

[Bhodirasta]

He spells his name Zak. He spelled it out at the press conference. LE wants a "freshjive" sweatshirt, dark blue hoodie, that was last made in 1999-2000. The hoodie was Zak's. He says that's what he last saw Brooke wearing. He won't say where it came from. The best he can do is suggest that "a renter left it behind."

Nevermind why a 5'4" girl would want a sweatshirt from a guy that looks at least 6'3". And nevermind why he can't say where it came from. And nevermind that it was a fairly warm day, even in the morning, and she was supposed to be working which would have kept her warm enough. And nevermind that there's not a single sighting of her, hoodie or no, after 10am. And nevermind we didn't hear any of this until very recently. Let's just focus on the facts:

a) Brooke was wearing her bil's sweatshirt when she vanished.
b) Family members (Zak said 'his wife') were the last people to see her
c) No one saw her after that


Wouldn't you just be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious especially when you later learned that Zak left that day to go "secure a job interview" even though he is clearly listed on the staff directory of the job he currently holds and was listed there as of April 2004?

Or is it easier to lay this on a bogeyman from a commune that is apparently invisible?


RstJ

It's easier to blame it on the boogy man and a commune that DOES exist, but yes, it is "invisible" in the eyes of the "law"...
ETA- could BOTH the boogey man AND Zak be involved? I know- it is all just nuts.

Does anyone know if ALL of the family has taken LDTs?

[annemc2]

WHERE IS THIS PLACE???? Anybody know? Is it in Corvallis or Woodburn or where? I've been doing a search but I can't concentrate now that "family guy" is on. heh. I didn't find anything worthwhile anyway......
forgot to add....welcome back Indigo Falls - missed ya!

[scandi]

Robert, if you think Zac is involved in her disappearance, why would you believe anything he siad to LE? We learned that from Scott.

Zac is evidently the one who stated to LE what she was wearing when she left without a trace. If if was his SS, why would he tell them about that? How do you know it was his? Do you know Zac or a friend of his?

And also he was the one who gave the timetable of when she was last seen. If you think he is involved do you then really believe this is the correct aapprox time it really did happen? Does he have a green minivan, or is that really all poppycock to you? Has LE cleared Zac?

So are you intimating they were getting it on and something went wrong and he generated all of this info for LE so they would have something to work on and leave him alone?

Please make yourself clear, and I'd also like to know the root of why you feel this way. You are a good writer but like to talk like the Riddler at times. I'm best at responding when it is laid out in simple form for me to digest.

Things aren't always as they appear, I know. But the family Zac married into seems so above reproach to me. I remember listening to Brooke's father. He was of the same ILK as Dru Sjodin's Dad. And since we know the goodness in this family, if he were a culprit, don't you think this father would have grabbed him by the neck by now and lifted him up plum against a wall?

If he were - and I said IF, involved then LE would have to outsmart him to catch him. Do you think this is why the green minivan was introduced by LE in the case, to draw him out as he would feel most comfortable by now. I mean these cops are very smart. Why would they sit on Zac if they thought he was guilty for a whole year? If he were guilty of this there would be some sign for LE to pick up on and they would be on to him.

Scandi

[RobertStJames]

<...>
If he were - and I said IF, involved then LE would have to outsmart him to catch him. Do you think this is why the green minivan was introduced by LE in the case, to draw him out as he would feel most comfortable by now. I mean these cops are very smart. Why would they sit on Zac if they thought he was guilty for a whole year? If he were guilty of this there would be some sign for LE to pick up on and they would be on to him.

ScandiScandi,

Zak. Z-A-K. That's how he spells his name. He spelled it out at the press conference because so many people get it wrong. It's not Zach, Zack, or Zac. Zak.


I know it's his sweatshirt because he said so in an interview. I know somebody in that complex has a green minivan because there was one parked out there four days later. As for the rest, you need to read these articles. Once you do, you'll see what I'm talking about. These are very recent:





Holding firmly onto hope


By Peter Chee
The Daily Barometer


Justin Runquist
The Daily Barometer
Zak Hansen, brother-in-law of Brooke Wilberger, stands Thursday in the
parking lot of Oak Park Apartments, south of the OSU campus, where
Wilberger was last seen on May 24. She had been cleaning the light pole
pictured behind him when she disappeared.


Brooke Wilberger enjoys snowboarding and has a soft spot for frogs.
That's what Zak Hansen, Brooke's brother-in-law, says.


It wasn't quite noon yet on Thursday at Oak Park Apartments. A clear
sky stretched overhead, crossing higher yet with the white vapor trail
of a passing jetliner. It was a bright day, but Hansen stood quietly in
the parking lot, mere feet from the light pole where his sister-in-law
was last seen nearly a year ago.


It was bright and sunny that day, too, Hansen said.


In the time since Brooke went missing on May 24, Hansen says the
Wilberger family has been set on a "roller coaster" of emotions, with
the search and abduction investigation drawing nationwide support and
media coverage.


Investigators most recently sent out a request to the general public
asking anyone with a "FreshJive" hooded sweatshirt (made between 1999
and 2000), similar to the one Wilberger wore when she disappeared, to
submit dye and fiber for the crime lab to help in the investigation.


Hansen, a Corvallis native and father of three, said he and other
members of the Wilberger family are not attention-seekers. But Hansen
meets for interviews and appears at press conferences because media
attention accomplishes one thing: keeping his missing sister-in-law
fresh in the minds of the public.


"It can be very tiresome, it's very emotionally taxing," Hansen said.
"I said on that first day that we'd look for Brooke, if I can help in
some way I'll do it."


It was around midday when Wilberger was most likely abducted, Hansen
said. It was in broad daylight with heavy traffic along the highway
adjacent to the small parking lot where she was last seen.


Hansen says he believes people possess an "innate" sense to notice
things that appear out of place or wrong. He is convinced someone
witnessed something.


"She could be anywhere," he said. "Somebody out there knows something;
they just may not know it."


To Hansen, Wilberger was part of his immediate family, living with them
in the summer months, staying at Oak Park during the week and going
home on weekends.


"She is family," he said.


Wilberger and Hansen would snowboard together often.
Brooke Wilberger


"She was getting pretty good," he said.


To Hansen, Wilberger was a typical college student who happened to like
frogs. Wilberger enjoyed comedy in movies; the last movie Hansen saw
with her was the Ben Stiller and Jack Black comedy "Envy."


"She would see the humor in a lot of things," Hansen said. "There's not
a day I don't think about her."


On May 24, Hansen was in town securing a job offer. Otherwise, he would
have stayed at the apartments, which he managed with his wife,
Stephanie (Brooke's sister), to help Wilberger clean the light poles
lining the south end of the complex beside Philomath highway.


The bucket Wilberger was using to clean the row of small, white, light
poles was found beside the second to last pole.


"She had two more to do, then she was done," he said.


Hansen has replayed the day's events over and over in his mind. It's
best not to dwell on the "what ifs," he concluded.


But still, there are nightmares, he said.


"I was devastated," he said. "I kept looking for her; in my mind, I
couldn't see this happening in Corvallis."


Hansen said he figured Wilberger stubbed her toe and had gotten a ride
to the doctor. The thought of Brooke being abducted had not yet entered
his mind.


After his own search proved unsuccessful, Hansen was the one who made
the first call to the police. It was 3 p.m.


Having been born and raised in Corvallis and as the son of OSU alumni,
Hansen never thought an abduction was possible, especially one
involving Wilberger.


"I grew up a big fan of the university," he said. "This community is
where I wanted to raise my family."


Earlier in the 2003-04 school year, the near-abduction of a female
student shook the BYU campus, where Wilberger was studying to become a
teacher.


Because of the incident, Hansen said, Wilberger was well aware of her
surroundings and especially her safety.


"Brooke was extremely conscious of these things," he said. "We know she
fought hard."


Hansen said it's been months since he had last seen Oak Park
Apartments. He and his family were already considering moving out of
their apartment of four years because of a new job offer when Wilberger
went missing.


Walking through the complex on Thursday morning, Hansen noticed subtle
differences amongst the light yellow buildings: new flowers planted in
one spot, a tree removed from another. He said his family made good
friends with many of the tenants over the years.


Hansen said the ongoing joint law enforcement investigation has been
"very professional."


For Hansen, every person removed from the person of interest list is
progress in the investigation. He says he meets frequently with local
police investigators.


"I look at these guys as friends," he said. "I know they're working
very hard."


Many of the investigators have been personally affected by the case,
Hansen said, mentioning one detective in particular who feels close to
the investigation.


"In his mind, she is family now," he said.


For the Wilberger family, Hansen says there are good and bad days for
everyone. But when support is needed, the family has always stuck
together.


"We're doing OK. We've had a strong family," he said.


Hansen said he is continually amazed and thankful for the outpouring of
support from the public.


"A lot of people are genuinely concerned; it's good to see that people
still care," Hansen said.


In the weeks following Wilberger's disappearance, Hansen said it was
difficult for him to see young women walking alone. For a time, he
considered moving away from his hometown.


But the immense response from the Corvallis community with hundreds
helping in search and investigation efforts quickly changed his mind.


Hansen works as an assistant director of development for the OSU
Foundation. He said he's always moved when seeing students wearing pink
"findbrooke.com" bracelets.


"Seeing students with them on, that's neat," he said. "Brooke wasn't an
OSU student, but that doesn't matter."


He said he often approaches students wearing the bracelets and
compliments them.


"I'll never be able to thank enough people," he said.


Hansen said the Wilberger family is well aware of statistics involving
kidnapped victims, but at this point, there is no reason for them to
believe Brooke isn't still alive.


In time, Hansen said, he hopes that there will at least be closure, an
answer, be it for better or worse. He said her 20th birthday was in
February.


"Brooke is a very caring individual," Hansen smiled. "She is the glue
to our family."
Peter Chee, city editor






Wilberger's family looking for sweatshirt


By Jennifer Nitson
Gazette-Times reporter


Zak Hansen doesn't quite remember where he got his indigo-blue
"FreshJive" sweatshirt - maybe it was left behind when a renter moved
out of one of the apartments in the complex he manages, he said.


He knows where he last saw it though. Brooke Wilberger, Hansen's
sister-in-law, put it on before going out to clean lampposts at the
apartment complex on the morning of May 24, 2004.


She has not been seen since.


To assist the multi-agency taskforce in it's investigation of the
19-year-old Veneta woman's disappearance, her family recently posted a
new appeal on the "Find Brooke" Web site for help from the public:


Anyone with an indigo FreshJive sweatshirt, with the logo printed in
white, similar to the one Wilberger wore the day she was abducted, is
asked to call the Corvallis Police Department at 766-6989. An image of
the shirt can be found at www.findbrooke.com (http://www.findbrooke.com/).


The FreshJive company made and marketed the indigo sweatshirts during
1999 or 2000, said Capt. Jon Sassaman.


The request for an identical or similar sweatshirt does not indicate
any new leads or developments in the case, Sassaman said.


"There's no comparisons that we're making right now," he said. "The
sweatshirt would be used in the future if we ever needed it for fiber
comparison."


Investigators had no trouble pulling together samples of jeans or a
T-shirt like Wilberger wore, Sassaman said, but the specific indigo dye
color of the sweatshirt is not easy to duplicate. The taskforce was
recently informed by FreshJive that, following an exhaustive search,
the company was not able to provide a replica.


Wilberger's family welcomes the chance to help the investigation in any
way, Hansen said of the Web site request.


"We understand that this (the sweatshirt) is just another part of it
and that sooner or later they may need this type of tool," he said.


Corvallis police detectives, along with the FBI, Oregon State Police,
the Benton County Sheriff's Office and the Benton County District
Attorney's Office continue to follow leads on three unnamed "person's
of interest," Sassaman said.


Sung Koo Kim, 30, of Tigard, and Loren Krueger, 46, of Lebanon have
recently been removed from the list, following investigations into both
men that began shortly after Wilberger disappeared.


To Hansen this means the investigation is active, he said.


"A lot of people have asked if we were disappointed when Mr. Kim was
eliminated as a person of interest," Hansen said. "I see it as a
positive thing that people are taken off (the list) and they've gone
through their processes of eliminating these people."


Hansen added that he has confidence in the task force and that he and
his family have come to regard some of the detectives as friends.
"I've just seen nothing but good work and real professionalism," Hansen
said. "They're working really hard. I'm confident, personally, that
we're going to get an outcome at some point. ... There's times when you
get impatient, but as a family we want the investigation to be
thorough."

[lynie]

He spells his name Zak. He spelled it out at the press conference. LE wants a "freshjive" sweatshirt, dark blue hoodie, that was last made in 1999-2000. The hoodie was Zak's. He says that's what he last saw Brooke wearing. He won't say where it came from. The best he can do is suggest that "a renter left it behind."

Nevermind why a 5'4" girl would want a sweatshirt from a guy that looks at least 6'3". And nevermind why he can't say where it came from. And nevermind that it was a fairly warm day, even in the morning, and she was supposed to be working which would have kept her warm enough. And nevermind that there's not a single sighting of her, hoodie or no, after 10am. And nevermind we didn't hear any of this until very recently. Let's just focus on the facts:

a) Brooke was wearing her bil's sweatshirt when she vanished.
b) Family members (Zak said 'his wife') were the last people to see her
c) No one saw her after that


Wouldn't you just be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious especially when you later learned that Zak left that day to go "secure a job interview" even though he is clearly listed on the staff directory of the job he currently holds and was listed there as of April 2004?

Or is it easier to lay this on a bogeyman from a commune that is apparently invisible?


RstJ

All I can say is that I would not give much of a thought to the sweatshirt deal. I am about an hour and half from Corvallis and know that even if a day ends up being beautiful and warm in May, the AM can still be chilly. Especially if she was working in the shade or working with water while cleaning. Also not unusual for a teen to be wearing a hoodie at any time.

As far as where the sweatshirt came from? Well, right now I am looking at a pair of boys shorts and have no clue where they came from, or why they were in my laundry!! If Zak and his wife were managing the apts., they had to clean the units and probably found it and put it somewhere where someone else found it and washed it. Maybe they thought it would make a good sweatshirt for the beach or cleaning and knew they were not going to see the renter again. No big deal....

And you must not have a teenage girl living with you....my 85lb 4ft 11inch teen is always grabbing someones sweatshirt....her brothers, her dads. She will get cold at school and come home with a friends. Doesn't matter how big the owner of the shirt is....her dad is over 6ft as are many of her friends. and she is not alone in this action, her friends do the same thing....In fact I too will come in the house and grab whatever sweatshirt is the closest....

As for the possibility of "the boogieman from some invisable commune" after the Elizabeth Smart case anything is possible and holds just about as much water as the "evil brother-in-law" theory.

Good for us that we can ponder all of the possibilities.....

[Bhodirasta]

All I can say is that I would not give much of a thought to the sweatshirt deal. I am about an hour and half from Corvallis and know that even if a day ends up being beautiful and warm in May, the AM can still be chilly. Especially if she was working in the shade or working with water while cleaning. Also not unusual for a teen to be wearing a hoodie at any time.

As far as where the sweatshirt came from? Well, right now I am looking at a pair of boys shorts and have no clue where they came from, or why they were in my laundry!! If Zak and his wife were managing the apts., they had to clean the units and probably found it and put it somewhere where someone else found it and washed it. Maybe they thought it would make a good sweatshirt for the beach or cleaning and knew they were not going to see the renter again. No big deal....

And you must not have a teenage girl living with you....my 85lb 4ft 11inch teen is always grabbing someones sweatshirt....her brothers, her dads. She will get cold at school and come home with a friends. Doesn't matter how big the owner of the shirt is....her dad is over 6ft as are many of her friends. and she is not alone in this action, her friends do the same thing....In fact I too will come in the house and grab whatever sweatshirt is the closest....

As for the possibility of "the boogieman from some invisable commune" after the Elizabeth Smart case anything is possible and holds just about as much water as the "evil brother-in-law" theory.

Good for us that we can ponder all of the possibilities.....

Welcome to the world of snowboard hoodies.
Fresh Jive is still pretty popular in snowboard land. I have umpteen million of em. Love em. Can't get enough. I have found them everywhere. On the side of the road even. LOL! Lovey can't stand it because I hijack his (the bigger the better :D My fav. is an xxxL QuickSilver blue hoodie complete with racing stripes down the arms. You are VERY right Lynie, here, it IS cold in the AM, and boy, I just LOVE my hoodies. If she was in to snowboarding, I can see why she would snag a FreshJiver.
I am going to have to ask my friends. I can't believe the company can't find any of those sweatshirts. FreshJivers roam the snowboarding planets, but I am not sure if I have seen that particular color in a while. I would check every Goodwill in the colder snowboard/skateboard areas if I were LE. I could see these sweatshirts up near Hood (I wonder where they rode?) - Goodwill in Sandy, or in Gresham might be a good place. Every full on year round rider hits those stores, and also gets rid of their stuff at the end of the summer so they don't have to cart it all over the planet... I know I did.
The Japanese that spend the summer collecting new stuff over the have to dump the "old stuff" before they hop planes back to Japan. They either donate it to Good Will, or throw it in the dumpster. :( ( DI rect From a former dumpster diver at the end of the summer up at Hood talkin here!) LOL!
I sure hope that they haven't given up looking for that sweatshirt! Heck put out an APB at High Cascade and Windell's up at HOOD LE!!

Ummm, and one more thing- if she was "getting better" at snowboarding, It makes my HEAD SPIN that he would think she "hurt herself by stubbing her TOE" ummmmm I wish BEANER were here to give you details of the backsnap gnarler so popular in the learning curve (and beyond) in snowboarding... :confused: :confused:

[CaliKid]

I find nothing at all unusual about Brooke borrowing a sweatshirt found abandoned in an apartment by her bil. Nor of Zak's discussions of Brooke to the media. The only thing that sounds funny is his statement about stubbing her toe, and he could've been quoted out of context or the interviewer didn't write down his complete answer. We don't know exactly what he said. But since he is insistent that he was the last person who saw Brooke, I would bet he has been thoroughly investigated by LE and cleared.

[RobertStJames]

I find nothing at all unusual about Brooke borrowing a sweatshirt found abandoned in an apartment by her bil. Nor of Zak's discussions of Brooke to the media. The only thing that sounds funny is his statement about stubbing her toe, and he could've been quoted out of context or the interviewer didn't write down his complete answer. We don't know exactly what he said. But since he is insistent that he was the last person who saw Brooke, I would bet he has been thoroughly investigated by LE and cleared.Actually, we know exactly what he said since he said the same thing, almost word for word, at a press conference a few hours before this interview. It's on tape. You should listen to it. It will change your mind about this case. It'll remind you of someone:

http://www.ci.corvallis.or.us/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1720&Itemid=1592

As for the sweatshirt--just how many of you out there have younger, much prettier, sisters-in-law who borrow your husband's clothes?



RstJ

[jodierenee]

i also think too much is being made of the sweatshirt...

i am brooke's age, and like other girls my size (skinny) i get cold easily. I'm sure she went out and started cleaning and then caught a gust of wind or something (maybe she didn't want HER shirt to get dirty or something?) and went in and asked for a jacket/hoodie.

Also, even besides the temperature factor, a hoodie is just plain more comfortable. I'm not sure what kinda shirt she was wearing underneath, but maybe it was too tight/itchy/uncomfortable and especially when doing manual labor, a hoodie or comfortable sweater makes getting work done much more comfortable.

[Anngelique]

I talked to my friend and daycare mom who works for the Salem 911 Center. She said they would have most definitely taken the call for Rickreal. She said they handle Rickreal, Dallas, Monmouth, Independence, Salem and other out lying areas.

Now there was a question as to why the 911 center did not get the phone number. She said that is common with cell phones. Some show up, some show up with a wrong number and some don't show at all. She said that all has to do with that phase 1, phase 2 911 that has been in the news. I did not want to act too ignorant because I have heard nothing about it. She also said that if you knew how many calls they get for speeding and reckless driving they get, that because it is an everyday occurance (many, many times a day) that she is pretty sure the operator was not feeling like this was an extreme high priority. Not to say they would not handle it as normal, but they sure did not put a connection with that call and someone being abducted. (Of course Brooke was not even reported missing at this stage of the day) She said when the cell phone was disconnected they would automatically call back but either the number did not show (which is her guess since they are asking for Brian to call back) or they got a wrong number with the number that did show. (Again, she said this is common with cell phones) Oh yeah, she said many people keep old cell phones without service just to use for a 911 situation. They also can't be tracked. So I guess the phase 1 and phase 2 has something to do with towers reporting cell phone tracking or something. I will have to look it up to get a more in depth idea of what she was talking about.

[Anngelique]

Wireless Phase 1 service provides the calltaker at the answering point with a call-back number and an address of the tower that receives the call. This provides the calltaker the capability to call back the person who dialed 911 and was disconnected. Additionally it provides the emergency response resources with a rough geographic area from which the call is originating.


Phase 2 calls. This means that call takers in these counties will be able to receive location information in the form of latitude/longitude coordinates so they can more readily locate the caller who has placed the 911 call.

[fundiva]

I live in Southern Oregon and have read reports in the local newspapers, etc. If I recall correctly, the sister had left at approximately 10:00 a.m. to take her kid(s) to preschool. She returned around 10:30 and Brooke was nowhere to be seen. If she returned at 10:30, how could Brooke has disappeared at 10:50 a.m. as noted on the posters. Also, why didn't the sister report her missing. One of the posts indicated that the brother-in-law was the one that reported her missing at 3:00 p.m. because he thought she might have "stubbed her toe" and went to the hospital (without her cell phone or purse?). That's 4+ hours. If the brother-in-law wasn't home when this happened, why didn't the sister report her missing or call someone. I have three sisters and I would freak out if they weren't where I left them, but their stuff was still there.

[RobertStJames]

I talked to my friend and daycare mom who works for the Salem 911 Center. She said they would have most definitely taken the call for Rickreal. She said they handle Rickreal, Dallas, Monmouth, Independence, Salem and other out lying areas.

<...>
So I guess the phase 1 and phase 2 has something to do with towers reporting cell phone tracking or something. I will have to look it up to get a more in depth idea of what she was talking about.
Interesting. You might ask her how it is that LE was able to get a description of this call including time, place, make of vehicle, and first name, even though the 911 tapes are erased every six months. At least, that's what the stories said. I'm curious to find out if that's really the case or not. And, naturally, whether she knows anything about this particular call at 11am, Mon, May 24, 2004.


RstJ

[IndigoFalls]

I didn't word my comment correctly about my guess as to who the perp is. I should have said, my guess as to who the POI is, that LE thinks may be the perp.

Also, I surely hope LE means Law Enforcement, because that is the way I have been interpreting it for a quite a while now.

Oh, to my knowledge 911 calls are public information. When I was assaulted, I was able to buy a copy of the call that the person made. It was fascinating to hear the drug-ridden voice talking nonsense, and compare it to my call. The way the person tried to cover their rear was incredible. Police did ask me why I wanted it, though. I told them, and there was no problem. I don't know if there are certain ones they hold out from releasing to the public and/or certain ones they only sell if they like your reasons. The lady who works at a 911 call center may know, or the front desk person at the local police department might know.

[Anngelique]

Police still hope to hear from mystery caller

Ryan Gardner/Gazette-Times


‘America's Most Wanted' to air a segment on leads in Wilberger case

By the Gazette-Times

Corvallis police have received more than 75 tips since requesting information about a green minivan possibly linked to the abduction of Brooke Wilberger.

Still no call from Brian, however, said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble.

Police hope to hear from a man named Brian who used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger disappeared.

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/06/07/news/community/tueloc02.txt

[Anngelique]

http://katu.com/stories/77579.html

Their request came after a letter proposing a violent escape plan and dozens of defaced photos of scantily clad women were found in Kim's cell, lawyers said.

Prosecutors want the 31-year-old man's bail to be increased from $480,000 to $1.32 million.

Kim is charged in Washington County with possessing child pornography on a home computer, in addition to the underwear theft charges in Washington, Multnomah, Benton and Yamhill Counties.

According to a police report filed with the bail motion, a deputy at the Multnomah County Detention Center intercepted a letter that Kim gave to his family's attorney during a visit.

The letter outlined several ways Kim's father could help him escape, the jail report states.

"You have my rifles. They are better than anything the police has," Kim wrote, describing how he is transported between various jails by two deputies.

Kim's mother, Dong Kim told The Oregonian that the escape plan was proof of her son's "delusional and deteriorating" thinking, and that he needs mental health counseling, not imprisonment.

Police had also named Kim a suspect in the May, 2004 apparent abduction of 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger near the Oregon State University campus in Corvallis.

But in February, the Wilberger task force removed Kim's name from its "persons of interest" list.

[Morag]

Some have mentioned some vague similarities to the Elizabeth Smart case. There is one strong similarity for what it's worth:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600136317,00.html

"I think most of us as family understand it's been a year, and you almost think that if she is still alive, her condition can't be great, and so I don't know if we almost even want that, but you know, we just want her back," said Hansen. "So I guess it's a closure that we're looking for."

IIRC. one of the Smart family men made a very similar comment about Elizabeth, basically indicating that they would rather her be dead than being held captive (as a sex slave, presumably, or in like conditions) by an evil-doer.

If I could access the Smart threads, I could probably find it, but the sentiment was identical. Wouldn't any parent or relative prefer to get his/her loved one back alive, in whatever condition? Or is the taint of rape too strong for a Mormon family to overlook? (No, I am not anti-LDS, just trying to understand why such remarks are made.)

[Anngelique]

Some have mentioned some vague similarities to the Elizabeth Smart case. There is one strong similarity for what it's worth:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600136317,00.html

"I think most of us as family understand it's been a year, and you almost think that if she is still alive, her condition can't be great, and so I don't know if we almost even want that, but you know, we just want her back," said Hansen. "So I guess it's a closure that we're looking for."

IIRC. one of the Smart family men made a very similar comment about Elizabeth, basically indicating that they would rather her be dead than being held captive (as a sex slave, presumably, or in like conditions) by an evil-doer.

If I could access the Smart threads, I could probably find it, but the sentiment was identical. Wouldn't any parent or relative prefer to get his/her loved one back alive, in whatever condition? Or is the taint of rape too strong for a Mormon family to overlook? (No, I am not anti-LDS, just trying to understand why such remarks are made.)

Being LDS I know that the taint of rape has nothing to do with it. But being a parent I think you would hate your child being victimized or tortured. I know that the Smart's have LOVED having Elizabeth back and I know the LDS community welcomed her back with open arms. If there is anything to do with the LDS faith that would make us view this differently is... leaving earth is not a bad thing. It is sad for us here but it a wonderful thing for those who are back in our heavenly home. They have no more pain, sorrow, sickness, adversity, but only peace and love. I don't think the LDS have the corner market on this sentiment, as I believe most Christian's feel the same way.

[Morag]

for your explanation of this. I suppose that many parents might prefer that their child be spared the suffering by entering into the "heavenly home."

[annemc2]

Of course, I watched last night, but didn't see anything regarding Brooke's case. Did I miss something? (I was tired!) Or did they maybe postpone it so that they could air footage of a couple of recent captures? I was really eager to see it!

[scandi]

Hi Annemc2,

I waited for something on Brooke last night too. I don't think this means AMW isn't working on her case though. Their office is probably helping LE as we speak!



Gee, I got so excited when I saw a new post here. Thought there might be breaaking news. LOL

Scandi

[CaliKid]

That was kind of interesting. Last week AMW said they'd be updating Brooke's case last night, and then nothing. The strangest part was that there wasn't anything on last night's AMW that could be considered "breaking" news- no new kidnappings or murders they profiled. Everything was old stuff except the Lake Pontchartraine Jane Doe mystery, and those developments aren't exactly new either. So why nothing about Brooke?

[Anngelique]

I hope we hear more about the green van soon!

[Timex]

WS is NOT a religious debate forum. Keep the religious debates off of the boards.

[mysteriew]

The Corvallis Police Department is dispelling rumors that a green van associated with the Brooke Wilberger disappearance was found in Arizona, giving investigators what they needed to solve the case.

"We've always known where the van was," Corvallis Police Lt. Ron Noble said.

About two weeks ago, the police department began asking for information about a 1997 green Dodge Caravan, possibly connected with Wilberger's disappearance on May 24, 2004. The van is associated with a person of interest in the case.


http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/06/17/news/community/friloc03.txt

[annemc2]

Brooke's case is coming on to AMW next (West Coasters)!

Well, no new info, really. They did a good job. Still looking for the mysterious "Brian." I don't understand how they have a POI and know the whereabouts of the van but are still looking for people that saw it on that particular day (5/24/04). Brooke is such a beautiful girl, so full of life. It was really, really strange to see our little town on AMW. Hopefully this will help move things along with the investigation.

[RobertStJames]

Brooke's case is coming on to AMW next (West Coasters)!

Well, no new info, really. They did a good job. Still looking for the mysterious "Brian." I don't understand how they have a POI and know the whereabouts of the van but are still looking for people that saw it on that particular day (5/24/04). Brooke is such a beautiful girl, so full of life. It was really, really strange to see our little town on AMW. Hopefully this will help move things along with the investigation.Because LE isn't interested in where the van is *now*. They want to know if anyone saw it on May 24th, 2004. If you look closely at the crime scene pictures I took, you'll see a dark green van with tinted windows with mud on its wheels. Wrong make, but one incredible coincidence, no?

LE is looking very, very hard at someone. They do not want to say who it is, and KATU and the rest of the news people aren't getting info via their usual sources. To me, that says "insider" and someone other than a known perp, someone important, someone LE cannot afford to publicly name as POI if they cannot back that up.

There is no "Brian." There never was. There was, however, a green van north of Corvallis, and that is what LE is interested in. That green van all but certainly belongs to someone in that complex.

AMW is a real disappointment. It's the People Magazine of true crime. I want to see the 48hrs guys do a segment on this case. They might ask some questions like why Brooke's sister absolutely refuses to talk to the press.


RstJ
www.thebushyhairedstranger.com (http://www.thebushyhairedstranger.com)

[Anngelique]

Because LE isn't interested in where the van is *now*. They want to know if anyone saw it on May 24th, 2004. If you look closely at the crime scene pictures I took, you'll see a dark green van with tinted windows with mud on its wheels. Wrong make, but one incredible coincidence, no?

LE is looking very, very hard at someone. They do not want to say who it is, and KATU and the rest of the news people aren't getting info via their usual sources. To me, that says "insider" and someone other than a known perp, someone important, someone LE cannot afford to publicly name as POI if they cannot back that up.

There is no "Brian." There never was. There was, however, a green van north of Corvallis, and that is what LE is interested in. That green van all but certainly belongs to someone in that complex.

AMW is a real disappointment. It's the People Magazine of true crime. I want to see the 48hrs guys do a segment on this case. They might ask some questions like why Brooke's sister absolutely refuses to talk to the press.


RstJ
www.thebushyhairedstranger.com (http://www.thebushyhairedstranger.com)

The van in the picture is definitely a coincidence as it has nothing to do with the case as it is the wrong make and model. Do you have any idea how popular green vans are? In fact I had a green Dodge Mini-van right before I bought my Suburban. My neighbor down the street has a green mini-van. Is this coincidence that I had one and my neighbor had one? Just because a green mini-van is in the parking lot does not mean there is anything strange in the least.

AMW does a GREAT job at finding people and criminals.

Why don't you personally contact Brooke's sister and ask her yourself why she does not speak out and while you are at it, tell her you suspect her husband for the disappearance of Brooke. I think that is the only way you will find peace with this case, to personally ask the family themselves. Would you like me to get their phone number for you?

[CaliKid]

Robert, with all due respect, you seem to have an axe to grind against Brooke's family, especially her brother-in-law? Do you factually know something that LE doesn't? If so, maybe you should contact them.

[RobertStJames]

The van in the picture is definitely a coincidence as it has nothing to do with the case as it is the wrong make and model. Do you have any idea how popular green vans are? In fact I had a green Dodge Mini-van right before I bought my Suburban. My neighbor down the street has a green mini-van. Is this coincidence that I had one and my neighbor had one? Just because a green mini-van is in the parking lot does not mean there is anything strange in the least.

AMW does a GREAT job at finding people and criminals.

Why don't you personally contact Brooke's sister and ask her yourself why she does not speak out and while you are at it, tell her you suspect her husband for the disappearance of Brooke. I think that is the only way you will find peace with this case, to personally ask the family themselves. Would you like me to get their phone number for you?
Yes. Please do. Stephani Hansen. Zak Hansen. They live in Corvallis. And please don't give me their old phone number, as I'm sure you're well aware that they've moved since the "abduction."



RstJ

[RobertStJames]

Robert, with all due respect, you seem to have an axe to grind against Brooke's family, especially her brother-in-law? Do you factually know something that LE doesn't? If so, maybe you should contact them.
I know there was a dark green metallic van with tinted windows and mud on its wheels parked about 10ft from the lamppost Brooke was supposedly cleaning the day she vanished. But LE already knows who that van belongs to. They've known for a long time.

If you want to go on blindly supporting them, fine. Me, I'd like some answers. Answers that are not forthcoming by pursuing some mystery abductor who doesn't exist.


RstJ

[KrazyKollector]

I know there was a dark green metallic van with tinted windows and mud on its wheels parked about 10ft from the lamppost Brooke was supposedly cleaning the day she vanished. But LE already knows who that van belongs to. They've known for a long time.

If you want to go on blindly supporting them, fine. Me, I'd like some answers. Answers that are not forthcoming by pursuing some mystery abductor who doesn't exist.


RstJ
So, does this dark green, metallic van with mud on it's wheels belong to Stephanie and/or Zak Hansen?
If not, who does it belong to?

I'm confused.

[RobertStJames]

So, does this dark green, metallic van with mud on it's wheels belong to Stephanie and/or Zak Hansen?
If not, who does it belong to?

I'm confused.
I have no idea who it belongs to. However, that apartment complex has assigned parking. So it's a very good bet that it belongs to someone who lived there at the time.

As someone pointed out, there are a lot of green vans around. A lot of metallic green vans. And the one in my picture is an Aerostar, not a Dodge Caravan.

But the fact its parked so close to the lamppost she disappeared from four days after she was last seen and that it is a very, very close match to the van LE wants to know about very strongly suggests to me that it is *that* van they are interested in. In particular, where the van was on May 24th. If whoever parked in that space was the one who grabbed her, he wouldn't have to haul her very far and the van itself would block a clear view from almost all apartments.

However, this does not explain how her flip-flops got far enough out in the parking lot to be run over by trucks. That part I think is staging.


RstJ



RstJ

[mysteriew]

A Benton County judge ruled Wednesday that court records in the criminal case against Joel P. Courtney -- charged in August with the 2004 murder of college student Brooke Wilberger -- should remain sealed because of an ongoing investigation.

Judge Locke A. Williams denied a motion by The Oregonian, KGW and the Associated Press to unseal police affidavits and search warrants in the case.

The judge said the documents should remain sealed because of "the risk of interfering with the state's ongoing investigation of this and other crimes that may have been committed by Mr. Courtney." He also cited concerns that releasing the records could jeopardize Courtney's right to a fair trail and might taint a grand jury overseeing the investigation.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1137639316163470.xml&coll=7

[mysteriew]

Now that they've accepted the idea that she is gone, some of Brooke Wilberger's closest friends have decided on a way to best remember her: by helping to provide a college education for an Oregon high school student - and maybe more than one - who represents her ideals and community-service spirit.

"It's to honor Brooke," said Meg Gray, a junior at Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine, one of Wilberger's closest friends while growing up in Veneta, who has been helping set up the scholarship fund. "She contributed so much to our community
http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/01/25/c1.cr.brookefund.0125.p1.php?section=cityregion

[scandi]

Thanks Mysteriew for posting the links. It is always heartwarming to hear anything about Brooke. I will look forward to this trial!!!

Scandi

[bykerladi]

Does anyone know where this Joel P. Courtney came from? I didn't see his name pop up in any of the other posts. And if the police think he did it, why can't they find her body?

[scandi]

Hi Bykerladi,

I believe they found evidence in his vehicle that he had killed Brooke after he was arrested for attacking a lady in New Mexico.

Scandi

[PrayersForMaura]

PORTLAND, Ore. – The FBI believes the man accused of murdering Brooke Wilberger may also be responsible for the murder of three others in Oregon.

The information comes from an alert on the FBI's Web site.

http://www.katu.com/txt.gif Read the FBI's alert (http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=83605) The FBI is investigating Joel Courtney's past and have identified three additional Oregon victims they say he may have sexually assaulted and killed.

More: http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=83603

[Anngelique]

PORTLAND, Ore. – The FBI believes the man accused of murdering Brooke Wilberger may also be responsible for the murder of three others in Oregon.

The information comes from an alert on the FBI's Web site.

http://www.katu.com/txt.gif Read the FBI's alert (http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=83605) The FBI is investigating Joel Courtney's past and have identified three additional Oregon victims they say he may have sexually assaulted and killed.

More: http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=83603

I just came to post this... it is scary!
Although the names of those victims have not been released, the FBI believes Courtney is a serial killer who targeted white females between the ages of 15 and 25, with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Courtney grew up in the Portland area and moved extensively. The FBI believes there may be victims in the following areas:

Albuquerque, NM
Anchorage, AK
Beaverton, OR
Bernalillo, NM
Cape Canaveral, FL
Cocoa Beach, FL
Grants, NM
Pensacola, FL
Portland, OR
Rio Rancho, NM

Here is a link to a video of Brooke's mother. It is a beautiful interview and worth watching.

http://www.katu.com/stories/83359.html

[scandi]

Hi Anngelique, :blowkiss:

I guess I missed your post and heard it on the news tonight. Here is the article from the Oregonian which is the major story splashed across the front page:

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3537412

Well, ding it!~ LOL I guess the local article is not on the web yet, but SLC always does a great job on articles.

This is scary. One of the girls they say he killed is from Beaverton where I live. :eek: I wish we could do some research on who they might be. I'm ready to hit the hat, but maybe tomorrow I'll look to see in Missing if there is anyone who fits the requirements. One thing they said is that the girl in New Mexico looked just like Brooke. They all look very similar in appearance and age. At least it's something to go on, right!

Think I'll be spending a bit of time over here in the months to come. Bet we all will because I know there is a tender spot in all of our hearts for her.

Scandi

[petra]

http://www.oregonlive.com/metro/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1140666928170570.xml&coll=7

more on Courtney...

[scandi]

Hi Everyone,

A couple of nights ago on the 6pm local news there was a clip about this case. They said there is only one other girl in Oregon that they suspect Courtney of killing. Darn, I didn't have a pencil, but they showed her picture and gave her name. She was blond and a quite similar look as Brooke.

Did anyone else see this. I've searched, and there are no new links on this. I'll call channel 8 tomorrow and get her name, as I'd like to check and see if she is listed on the missing list someone posted here.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxox Scandi

[scandi]

Just came to check in and say Hi.

I heard that it might be a long , long time before Courtney is tried for Brooke's death. His lawyer has filed for some type of a mental instability and I think theey are going to put him in a mental hospital . That's all I heard, but it is such a disappointment. Of course I hoped he could plea to something less than the DP by telling the world where she is.

Here are healing thoughts for all of her good friends and family who really adored her. Just like Dru Sjodins did.

Scandi

[PonderingThings]

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2006/03/05/news/community/news03.txt
(http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2006/03/05/news/community/news03.txt)
Mother of missing woman delivers positive message to women’s conference

[mocity]

this case confuses me a bit. What evidence do they have against Courtney? I know the charges that have been filed but have they ever said what happened and how he is actually linked if they don't have a body?

[michelle]

Her case is on 20/20 now with Maura Murray....

[Tristan]

I'm curious, as well....what evidence do they have linking Courtney to having abducted Brooke?

I hope they find this beautiful girl....my heart goes out to her family.

Please post any updates.

[Anngelique]

If you go to our local news home page they have an interview with Elizabeth Vargas about Brooke. It's a great interview and if you've followed this case an interesting video. Just click on sneak peak next to Brookes picture. http://www.katu.com/home.html

[dontpanic38]

I was wondering if anyone here has found anything. I did a little sleuthing but was not able to find much.
I have a feeling that Brooke was not the first, and maybe not even the last. This guy is pure evil and I hope that the investigators are putting the heat on him.
The sad thing is that I had read that the investigators working the Brooke Wilberger case can't even touch him until the New Mexico system is done with him, which means that the Wilberger family just has that much longer to wait.

I think that this case should not be forgotten about by our most talented sleuthers. I think that the people who have worked so hard on other cases especially the people who have put so much into finding out about Joseph Duncan's other crimes should look into this one. I really do think that there are a lot more missing girls that Courtney can be tied to...

Anyway just my :twocents:


I just came to post this... it is scary!
Although the names of those victims have not been released, the FBI believes Courtney is a serial killer who targeted white females between the ages of 15 and 25, with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Courtney grew up in the Portland area and moved extensively. The FBI believes there may be victims in the following areas:

Albuquerque, NM
Anchorage, AK
Beaverton, OR
Bernalillo, NM
Cape Canaveral, FL
Cocoa Beach, FL
Grants, NM
Pensacola, FL
Portland, OR
Rio Rancho, NM

[Anngelique]

I was wondering if anyone here has found anything. I did a little sleuthing but was not able to find much.
I have a feeling that Brooke was not the first, and maybe not even the last. This guy is pure evil and I hope that the investigators are putting the heat on him.
The sad thing is that I had read that the investigators working the Brooke Wilberger case can't even touch him until the New Mexico system is done with him, which means that the Wilberger family just has that much longer to wait.

I think that this case should not be forgotten about by our most talented sleuthers. I think that the people who have worked so hard on other cases especially the people who have put so much into finding out about Joseph Duncan's other crimes should look into this one. I really do think that there are a lot more missing girls that Courtney can be tied to...

Anyway just my :twocents:

The last I read was that he was pretty much cleared of 2 disappearances here in Oregon but that they are still looking at him as a possible suspect in at least one maybe two disappearances. They are definitely looking at him in other states as well because he traveled and they are pretty positive Brooke was not his first time.

[Sporky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Wilberger

Has some info on Brooke's suspected killer. Says trial date is set for February 1, 2010. Why such a long wait?..
He is facing 14 counts of aggravated murder, two counts of kidnapping and single counts of rape, sodomy and sexual abuse in connection with Wilberger's disappearance; the prosecutor in the case has said he hopes to seek the death penalty.

[Beyond Belief]

Courtney's agreement to tell officials where he'd left Wilberger's body after kidnapping, raping and murdering her (http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/Story?id=1007878&page=1) was part of a plea deal to avoid the death penalty, he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/remains-brooke-wilberger-found-years-disappearance/story?id=8632233