Brooke Wilberger

[Anngelique]

I live not far from where Brooke went missing. Yesterday some boaters found a badly decomposed body in the Willamette River. It was so badly decomposed they cannot identify the sex at this time. I have been watching the news for an update. As soon as I saw this it made me think of Brooke. I will keep you guys updated if this turns out to be anything or even if it is not.

For updated information on Brooke's case you can click here...

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67786

[Jenn]

I don't know if I wish it were her or not. On one hand, I so badly want her parents to be able to give her a proper burial but on the other hand, I have been clinging to a tiny thread of hope that she is out there alive. Keep us posted!!

[Anngelique]

I don't know if I wish it were her or not. On one hand, I so badly want her parents to be able to give her a proper burial but on the other hand, I have been clinging to a tiny thread of hope that she is out there alive. Keep us posted!!

I know exactly how you feel. I did not know what to post, I kind of hope it is her like you say so the parents know and can bury her. On the other hand, I don't want it to be her in case she is still alive and can be found safe.

The body could be that of any missing person, but her name came to mind first. So I will definitely keep you posted.

[Melly]

It looks like there were 2 bodies found in the Willamette River over the weekend, a man and a woman:

http://www.koin.com/news.asp?RECORD_KEY%5Bnews%5D=ID&ID%5Bnews%5D=2801

[annemc2]

Wow - thanks for the links, guys. I live in the town that Brooke was abducted from, and haven't seen anything in the paper about these bodies being located. I really feel for the loved ones they left behind, and hope they are identified soon. :(

[Anngelique]

Wow - thanks for the links, guys. I live in the town that Brooke was abducted from, and haven't seen anything in the paper about these bodies being located. I really feel for the loved ones they left behind, and hope they are identified soon. :(

Thanks, I just got home and had not been able to check yet. Well, it is a relief and not a relief at the same time that is doesn't appear to be Brooke.

I am in in Salem Annemc2, nice to meet you neighbor!

[Anngelique]

Here is some new information though!

http://katu.com/stories/77507.html

May 31, 2005

Minivan Sought In Brooke Wilberger Case


By KATU Web Staff
CORVALLIS, Ore. - Corvallis police say they are looking for a green 1997 Dodge Caravan that may be connected to the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger.

Police say on May 24, 2004, the day Wilberger disappeared, someone named 'Brian' called 911 from a cell phone regarding a speeding and recklessly driven green minivan in the Mid-Valley area.

The connection with the cell phone was lost before the call was completed.



Investigators say they would like to talk with that person to determine if what he saw that day was connected to Wilberger's disappearance.

They would also like to hear from anyone else who may have seen suspicious activity involving a green minivan between May 17 and May 31, 2004. Those with information are urged to call 1-800-THE-LOST.

Police say the suspicious activity may include the following:

A green minivan being in a place where it did not appear to belong (like a logging road or a farmer's field).

A green minivan being driven in a way that was significantly different from normal traffic.

A green minivan where the driver was acting in a strange or suspicious way (like attempting to lure women/girls close to the van).

[Anngelique]

Very informative video on this mini-van and it's possible connection to the Brooke case at this link. http://katu.com/

This mini van was seen parked near where Brooke vanished the day before and one of the workers thought it looked suspicious then. The next day another worker spotted the same mini-van following a girl for a little ways. One of the 2 persons of interest in the abduction of Brooke has a green mini-van. It sounds like this person is in jail, but they are looking for a "Brian" who called 911 to reporst erractic and dangerous driving from a green mini-van the day Brooke disappeared.

This could be a huge break in the Brooke case!

[dannyodie]

this looks to me like they have a very good possible lead. I feel that the man they are looking for is already in jail, or has been. I feel brooke is no longer with us, I wonder if maybe they could have been two people in the van. one to drive and the other one to slide the van door open and snatch her inside. the police and any other search groups I would encourage strongly to search within a 10 mile radius of where she went missing. for some reason from day one I have felt that she was taken no more than 10 miles away, the number 10 keeps appearing in my mind for some reason, is there a hwy 10 or interstate 10 in that area, state route 10? this could be the answer they are looking for...

[annemc2]

Howdy, neighbor (Anngelique!)! Hmmm, this is an interesting development. Wonder why we haven't heard about this van until now. Also, doesn't it seem that the 911 call center would have a record of the "Brian" call - cell phones are pretty easy to trace, no? I don't know much about them, though. Dannyodie, the only thing I can think of that has "10" in it is PCH Hwy 101 - about an hour away. But I haven't lived here long enough (only 2.5 yrs) to know any local roads, farm routes or whatever, that may fit that criteria. If I get time I'll check it out!

[Anngelique]

Howdy, neighbor (Anngelique!)! Hmmm, this is an interesting development. Wonder why we haven't heard about this van until now. Also, doesn't it seem that the 911 call center would have a record of the "Brian" call - cell phones are pretty easy to trace, no? I don't know much about them, though. Dannyodie, the only thing I can think of that has "10" in it is PCH Hwy 101 - about an hour away. But I haven't lived here long enough (only 2.5 yrs) to know any local roads, farm routes or whatever, that may fit that criteria. If I get time I'll check it out!

From what I understand the call was interrupted by the cell phone going out or something. Hopefully this Brian will see or hear about the news and get back to the police. This sounds like the most hope since she was abducted.

[RobertStJames]

From what I understand the call was interrupted by the cell phone going out or something. Hopefully this Brian will see or hear about the news and get back to the police. This sounds like the most hope since she was abducted.
I guess this is discussion-related. Which thread is the active one on this case?

http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...Wilberger06.JPG

There's a green Dodge Caravan (with tinted windows) in that picture. That shot is from four days after the crime. May 28, 2004 - 4pm. It was taken in the back parking lot of Oak Park Apts. Anybody here know who that minivan belongs to?

Here are the rest of the pictures
http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...r/Wilberger.htm (http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites/wilberger/Wilberger.htm)

RstJ

[Anngelique]

Katu is reporting that the green mini van was reported as driving erratically the day Brooke vanished. A man named "Brian" reported it and his phone went dead or something. The reason this is of such interest is that the mileage of where this van was reported and the time Brooke vanished fit together. As does the fact that they have a person of interest who has a van of this same make and model. This is getting very interesting. Workers also reported seeing this van in the area the day before and the day of when Brooke vanished. They said the driver was acting strange and even followed a female student a short distance. So I will do my best to keep everyone posted of our local news here.

[Beffie]

I guess this is discussion-related. Which thread is the active one on this case?

http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...Wilberger06.JPG

There's a green Dodge Caravan (with tinted windows) in that picture. That shot is from four days after the crime. May 28, 2004 - 4pm. It was taken in the back parking lot of Oak Park Apts. Anybody here know who that minivan belongs to?

Here are the rest of the pictures
http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...r/Wilberger.htm (http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites/wilberger/Wilberger.htm)

RstJ

I do not know my mini vans very well, but that looks like a green windstar (Ford mini van). I could be wrong, but I think it is a Ford not a Chrysler. :twocents:

[RobertStJames]

Katu is reporting that the green mini van was reported as driving erratically the day Brooke vanished. A man named "Brian" reported it and his phone went dead or something. The reason this is of such interest is that the mileage of where this van was reported and the time Brooke vanished fit together. As does the fact that they have a person of interest who has a van of this same make and model. This is getting very interesting. Workers also reported seeing this van in the area the day before and the day of when Brooke vanished. They said the driver was acting strange and even followed a female student a short distance. So I will do my best to keep everyone posted of our local news here.
I saw all that, but how does LE even know when she vanished? I've heard everything from 9:30 to as late as 10:50am. How can they calculate mileage if they don't even know when to calculate it from?


RstJ

[annemc2]

wow, Robert - very observant!! Do you think LE might want to take a gander at that photo, like if it could be digitally enhanced to show license plate features or something? Spooky. . .

[Anngelique]

http://katu.com/stories/77541.html

June 1, 2005
Police Identify Minivan In Wilberger CaseBy Bob Heye
and KATU Web Staff
CORVALLIS, Ore. - New details are emerging about a suspicious green minivan that police believe may be tied to the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger.

Police say they know where the minivan is that they have been looking for and they have identified its driver as a person of interest.

This latest news comes one day after Corvallis police sent out a press release saying they were looking for a green 1997 Dodge Caravan.

Police say on May 24, 2004, the day Wilberger disappeared, someone named 'Brian' called 911 from a cell phone regarding a speeding and recklessly driven green minivan in the Mid-Valley area.

The connection with the cell phone was lost and police said they wanted to speak with that person to determine if what he saw that day was connected to Wilberger's disappearance.


Matt Siewell, who spoke with KATU News on Tuesday, says he also saw a green van outside Reser Stadium just before Wilberger vanished.

"I remember the van still pretty well," he said. "That's what got my attention in the first place."

The site where Siewell says he saw the minivan is just blocks from the apartment complex where Brooke Wilberger disappeared.

"I just remember him sitting there with his driver door open," Siewell said. "I remember he had like brown, curly hair and it seemed like it was probably shoulder length. That's all I can remember about him now."

Now, Siewell and others who saw the van that day cannot be reached, which may mean that police have asked them not to make public statements while the investigation continues.

Authorities already know where the van is that they are interested in and they also know where the owner is.

Ron Noble with the Corvallis Police Department said he could not comment on whether police had the person of interest who owns the minivan in custody.

Police identified the person as one of two remaining persons of interest six months ago.

Now they want to know if they can connect the minivan to any potential victims at all.

"The operator of this type of van may have tried to lure women or girls to the van," said Noble.


Brooke Wilberger's brother-in-law believes this may finally be the break the family has been waiting for.

"We know of one person, Brian, who saw the vehicle. He made the effort a year ago and we're hoping he'll make that effort again," said Zak Hansen.

Police say they have received several tips so far involving sightings of green minivans around the time that Wilberger disappeared. They are encouraging anyone who has not yet contacted them with information to call 1-800-THE-LOST.

[RobertStJames]

wow, Robert - very observant!! Do you think LE might want to take a gander at that photo, like if it could be digitally enhanced to show license plate features or something? Spooky. . .
I think LE already knows who owns the van I photographed, and Beffie is right--it's a Ford. Probably an Aerostar, as someone pointed out on another board.

So, that's not the van LE is interested in. Just a coincidence, and not really a surprising one seeing as how this part of Oregon has hundreds, if not thousands of dark green minivans. Must be an U of O thing. That's their school color (University of Oregon Ducks).


RstJ

[LillyRush]

I never realized that the trees/hedges were so high next to that one area, particularly interesting since it's right next to the highway. I don't understand though how it seems that not one single person either around the apartment complex or the highway saw anything.

[IndigoFalls]

Here are the rest of the pictures
http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites...r/Wilberger.htm (http://www.robertandrenay.com/sites/wilberger/Wilberger.htm)

RstJ

Hi, I looked at your pictures and descriptions and they are very nice and clear. I too, went out to the site, curiosity and trying to help and being an amateur detective and all. Anyway, I could only get about 1/3 or 1/2 of your pictures to load. I was wondering if any of them showed the gate from the Oak Park Apts. to the huge gravel parking lot by the Hilton and the ball field? When I went there the gate was propped wide open, and anyone could have parked virtually unnoticed in the parking lot, walked up and taken Brooke Wilberger and driven off, while never having been in the actual complex with their vehicle. If someone tried to follow them with a vehicle, they would have had to run down the fence. A person could drive out of the gravel parking lot, east on Western Avenue to 3rd St., left, and then all the way to Rickreall on Hwy. 99. Two turns and they're out of town. I have a picture of the gate somewhere, which if you didn't already have one, I could try to figure out how to post.

Walking in would have been from the north. From the west, they could have driven in, but it would be hard to get back out again without being noticed. Thanks for going to the effort with the pictures. I haven't posted on here in months and months.

[IndigoFalls]

I don't understand though how it seems that not one single person either around the apartment complex or the highway saw anything.

Hi, When I took pictures and looked around last year, there was a game going on at Reser Stadium, and the Hilton had cars parked in their lot, but not one person or car way in the back of the gravel parking lot that has a gate that goes to Oak Park Apts. Also, when I drove in and looked around, I only saw about one person, and nobody asked me what I was doing or did I want an apartment or anything. It would have been easy to park in the big lot, the big, most vacant lot, that is, and walk through the gate.

:chicken: I am kind of chicken to do this, but I feel compelled. I want this time stamped and posted record that my guess for who the person of interest is, is James M. Hickman. I'd surely like to know if he has a green Dodge Van. So if soon they announce that they are charging him with something, I would have the small satisfaction of knowing I deduced it correctly. He is over 200 pounds and could overpower someone petite like Brooke. And BTW, this is just my guess and opinion, not scientifically proven or anything. If I am wrong, I'm wrong.

[IndigoFalls]

I found a screwball thing way out of place on the afternoon Brooke was abducted. It was before I even knew she was abducted, and it probably has nothing to do with anything. However, do any of you know if any one of the 450 Psychics who sent in leads sensed anything about Polynesian or Easter Island type statues? Or handmade clay things? If they did, I think I would report more about this to the police. If they didn't, it is probably just far fetched.

[Anngelique]

I found a screwball thing way out of place on the afternoon Brooke was abducted. It was before I even knew she was abducted, and it probably has nothing to do with anything. However, do any of you know if any one of the 450 Psychics who sent in leads sensed anything about Polynesian or Easter Island type statues? Or handmade clay things? If they did, I think I would report more about this to the police. If they didn't, it is probably just far fetched.\

One of the men who saw this driver of the green van said he had brown, curly hair. Who knows, but this could be of that race. Many Polynesians have a little longer hair than normal and very curly. We shall see as this unfolds more.

[Anngelique]

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/community/friloc03.txt

Police disclose time of 911 call

By the Gazette-Times

Police have released one more detail regarding a 911 call made the day Brooke Wilberger was abducted, in hopes of making contact with a man named Brian.

The man, who only gave a first name, used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot. He reported seeing a speeding and recklessly driven green-mini van in the Rickreal area, north of Monmouth.

Brian made that call at 11 a.m., said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble. Wilberger was last seen by family members around 10 a.m. May 24, 2004.

Since issuing a request Tuesday to hear from Brian and for information from anyone who has seen a 1997 green Dodge Caravan that police have associated with a "person of interest" in the abduction case, police have received more than 50 calls to their tip line.

"We've got people that we've got to call back and get some more info and see if it's the same van," Noble said.

Police are interested in hearing from anyone who saw a green mini-van during the week before or the week after Wilberger disappeared; saw the van being driven in an erratic or alarming manner; saw the van parked in a place where it would not be expected — such as on an old logging road or farmer's field; or observed the driver acting in a strange or suspicious way, possibly trying to lure young women or girls close to the van.

Investigators have already identified the van they are interested in and are not looking for the van itself, but for information about the van and where it was seen. Such information could help investigators identify areas to search for Wilberger, Noble said.

[RobertStJames]

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/community/friloc03.txt

Police disclose time of 911 call

By the Gazette-Times

Police have released one more detail regarding a 911 call made the day Brooke Wilberger was abducted, in hopes of making contact with a man named Brian.

The man, who only gave a first name, used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot. He reported seeing a speeding and recklessly driven green-mini van in the Rickreal area, north of Monmouth.

Brian made that call at 11 a.m., said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble. Wilberger was last seen by family members around 10 a.m. May 24, 2004.

Rickreal is about 1hr north of Corvallis on 99W. Meaning Brooke vanished within minutes of last being seen by "family members."

Time window is starting to get very narrow indeed...


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Rickreal is about 1hr north of Corvallis on 99W. Meaning Brooke vanished within minutes of last being seen by "family members."

Time window is starting to get very narrow indeed...


RstJ

I am sorry to dispute this, but I lived in Dallas/ Rickreal for most of my life. I am in Salem now. Rickreal is about 30-35 mins from OSU and if you are traveling at high speeds could be reached much quicker. Rickreal is actually on Hwy. 99 West. You can take it almost directly to the stadium with just a couple of turns. Heck, I am only 45 mins from OSU in Salem and it is not the direct route that Hwy 99 would be.

[Anngelique]

I am sorry to dispute this, but I lived in Dallas/ Rickreal for most of my life. I am in Salem now. Rickreal is about 30-35 mins from OSU and if you are traveling at high speeds could be reached much quicker. Rickreal is actually on Hwy. 99 West. You can take it almost directly to the stadium with just a couple of turns. Heck, I am only 45 mins from OSU in Salem and it is not the direct route that Hwy 99 would be.

Coming from further into OSU here are directions to Rickreal.

1: Start out going EAST on SW AIRPORT AVE toward AIRPORT PL. 1.6 miles Map

2: Turn LEFT onto PACIFIC HWY W/OR-99W N. 29.8 miles Map

3: End at Rickreall, OR 97371-9728, US Map

Total Est. Distance: 31.49 miles

Since that is almost all hwy, it could be done pretty quickly.

[RobertStJames]

I am sorry to dispute this, but I lived in Dallas/ Rickreal for most of my life. I am in Salem now. Rickreal is about 30-35 mins from OSU and if you are traveling at high speeds could be reached much quicker. Rickreal is actually on Hwy. 99 West. You can take it almost directly to the stadium with just a couple of turns. Heck, I am only 45 mins from OSU in Salem and it is not the direct route that Hwy 99 would be.
Ok, 30-35mins. You figure you could make it in 10mins? Because that's what the mystery perp would have to do if Brooke was "last seen" at 10:50, as most of the missing posters say.


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Ok, 30-35mins. You figure you could make it in 10mins? Because that's what the mystery perp would have to do if Brooke was "last seen" at 10:50, as most of the missing posters say.


RstJ

They are not sure of the exact time as no one saw her being abducted. The last time she was seen was at 10 AM. Yes, the missing posters say approximately 10:50 but where that time came from I don't know. I do know that it is close enough to the time frame to definitely be plausible. Let's say she was taken at 10:30 AM... or even 10:40. If this car was driving very fast and erratically, then it could make up some time, who knows? But I do think this is a very good lead. Why are you so against this lead? I don't understand.

[RobertStJames]

They are not sure of the exact time as no one saw her being abducted. The last time she was seen was at 10 AM. Yes, the missing posters say approximately 10:50 but where that time came from I don't know. I do know that it is close enough to the time frame to definitely be plausible. Let's say she was taken at 10:30 AM... or even 10:40. If this car was driving very fast and erratically, then it could make up some time, who knows? But I do think this is a very good lead. Why are you so against this lead? I don't understand.
Because as a lead it doesn't make any sense. If Brooke was last seen at 10:50, then LE can't possibly think her abductor was in Rickreal 10mins later. Therefore, they think she was taken earlier. In other words, the 10:50 sighting was of someone else, not Brooke. Her sister also says that she did not see Brooke when she returned at 10:30am, and that has been consistently reported. That means she vanished in a half-hour timespan when her sister was away from the complex. That's getting dangerously narrow. And a vehicle in Rickreal at 11am narrows it even further, since 30mins to do the abduction and get that far away isn't possible no matter how fast you're driving. Poor Brian would have been phoning in an accident, not an erractic driver.

And if these green van leads were so hot, and if the van was seen by so many people, why didn't we hear anything about this a year ago??

And why is it that no one seems to have seen this green minivan actually in the complex? You see what I mean? Even the most credulous observer has to be asking themselves in the wake of the Wilbanks/Seiler things whether any abduction happened at all. And no, I don't think she ran away.

Cpt. Noble said at the press conference that LE knows was *hasn't* happened. What do you think he meant by that?


RstJ

[RCOOKE]

And why is it that no one seems to have seen this green minivan actually in the complex? You see what I mean? Even the most credulous observer has to be asking themselves in the wake of the Wilbanks/Seiler things whether any abduction happened at all. And no, I don't think she ran away.

Cpt. Noble said at the press conference that LE knows was *hasn't* happened. What do you think he meant by that?

RstJ

I really don't know why you would mention Wilbanks/Seiler in Brooke's case. There is nothing similar. Brooke never told police she was abducted. She just disappeared without any reason to. Both Wilbanks and Seiler had a history of drawing attention to themselves and both both committed a criminal act when they lied to LE. Each case has it's own set of evidence. They should be looked at individually.

The green van driver was always labled a "person of interest" That means the might be a possible suspect or he/she might have possibly seen something that will help with the case.

[RobertStJames]

I really don't know why you would mention Wilbanks/Seiler in Brooke's case. There is nothing similar. Brooke never told police she was abducted. She just disappeared without any reason to. Both Wilbanks and Seiler had a history of drawing attention to themselves and both both committed a criminal act when they lied to LE. Each case has it's own set of evidence. They should be looked at individually.

The green van driver was always labled a "person of interest" That means the might be a possible suspect or he/she might have possibly seen something that will help with the case.
Nobody had any idea what happened in the Wilbanks/Seiler cases until LE ran it down. Nobody still has any idea what happened here. The green van driver is connected to some POI that LE came up w/6mos ago, which is to say, about the time Capt. Robert Deutsch was known to be applying for a job in Los Alamos. You probably remember him from the beginning of the case.

Seeing as how LE has hardly been shy about releasing info on their POIs (or someone has been leaking info) it's rather surprising that they're *not* releasing any info about this POI.

Speaking of evidence, it's important to look at the *lack* of evidence too. No one saw or heard anything. No one saw a vehicle, no one heard a yell, no one saw Brooke after family members did. That should tell you something. It certainly suggests something to me.

What do you think of the overwhelming silence from the family on these latest developments?

RstJ

[Anngelique]

Nobody had any idea what happened in the Wilbanks/Seiler cases until LE ran it down. Nobody still has any idea what happened here. The green van driver is connected to some POI that LE came up w/6mos ago, which is to say, about the time Capt. Robert Deutsch was known to be applying for a job in Los Alamos. You probably remember him from the beginning of the case.

Seeing as how LE has hardly been shy about releasing info on their POIs (or someone has been leaking info) it's rather surprising that they're *not* releasing any info about this POI.

Speaking of evidence, it's important to look at the *lack* of evidence too. No one saw or heard anything. No one saw a vehicle, no one heard a yell, no one saw Brooke after family members did. That should tell you something. It certainly suggests something to me.

What do you think of the overwhelming silence from the family on these latest developments?

RstJ

The family has NOT been silent. They have been quoted several times that I have read and have had been appearing on shows. Here is a quote about the green van from my link above.

Brooke Wilberger's brother-in-law believes this may finally be the break the family has been waiting for.

"We know of one person, Brian, who saw the vehicle. He made the effort a year ago and we're hoping he'll make that effort again," said Zak Hansen.

Also, there WERE some witnesses to the green van and very close to where Brooke was abducted. Both the day before and the day of the abduction, the green van was seen actually following a female student. The green van was also seen parked stranglely and the driver was "watching" people.

If this person who owns the green van has been a person of interest for quite a while, you would think they would have cleared him already and moved on. But no, he remains a person of interest.

As far as the length of time it took for LE to bring these points of interests to light, remember it took a long time before LE moved in on Scott Peterson. Does it mean they did not think he might have been a person of interest before that? No, it means they are crossing their t's and dotting their i's to make sure it is done correctly. As far as the other people of interest in these cases, it was NOT LE who brought them forward. For instance, the guy who they thought he might have burried her under cement... it was his step-sister that brought him to light. The LE kept denying it. As far as Kim goes, he was looked at early on, but again, the LE made light of him as far as a connection to Brooke went. But the media kept him tied to the case. Now he is more tied to the fact that he stole so many panties from so many school.

I still think this is a great lead and will have faith and hope that it will bring some knowledge to Brooke's family. I won't give up that faith and hope until it is proven otherwise.

[RobertStJames]

The family has NOT been silent. They have been quoted several times that I have read and have had been appearing on shows. Here is a quote about the green van from my link above.

Brooke Wilberger's brother-in-law believes this may finally be the break the family has been waiting for.

"We know of one person, Brian, who saw the vehicle. He made the effort a year ago and we're hoping he'll make that effort again," said Zak Hansen.

Brooke's blood family, brothers, sisters, parents. This guy is not related to her except by marriage and am I the only one who finds his continued prominent role to be baffling?

Brooke has a lot of family. Brothers: Bryce, Spencer. Sisters: Shannon, Stephani, Jessica.

You find any quotes from any of them? Recent ones?


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Brooke's blood family, brothers, sisters, parents. This guy is not related to her except by marriage and am I the only one who finds his continued prominent role to be baffling?

Brooke has a lot of family. Brothers: Bryce, Spencer. Sisters: Shannon, Stephani, Jessica.

You find any quotes from any of them? Recent ones?


RstJ

Zak was made the spokesperson at the very beginning of the investigation.

[Anngelique]

Zak was made the spokesperson at the very beginning of the investigation.

By the way, Zak and his wife were the ones who managed the apartments where Brooke was abducted.

[RobertStJames]

By the way, Zak and his wife were the ones who managed the apartments where Brooke was abducted.
Yeah, we got that. Since you seem to know a lot about this case, perhaps you could tell me what Zak's alibi is for that day?


RstJ

[Anngelique]

Yeah, we got that. Since you seem to know a lot about this case, perhaps you could tell me what Zak's alibi is for that day?


RstJ

Wow!!!!

[Anngelique]

You asked earlier what did it mean by the LE knowing what didn't happen. I copied the article below from a news source. What was meant by that is that it was NOT a family member or someone close to her! I can't believe you insinuated that. They were the first people looked at and a year later the investigation is far from them.



Hansen and his wife, Brooke's sister Stephanie, were the last known people to see her. They left Brooke that Monday afternoon cleaning lights in the parking lot, and returned to find her cleaning supplies, flip-flops, car, keys and cell phone, but no Brooke.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600136317,00.html


Noble said they have ruled out Brooke running away, and have also exhausted investigations of people close to her.

``We're closer to solving the case today _ only from the standpoint that we know what hasn't happened,'' Noble said.

Noble said abductions by total strangers are rare, but that's what he believes may have happened.
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_144193015.html

[Anngelique]

Brooke: One year later

By Jennifer Nitson
For the Democrat-Herald

CORVALLIS — Brooke Wilberger went missing one year ago on May 24.

Police investigators have received 5,000 tips regarding the apparent abduction — including 500 possible sightings, 500 potential suspects named to police, 450 tips from psychics and information on 250 suspect vehicles.

So far police have looked closely at 60 "persons of interest," and have conducted polygraph tests, served search warrants and subpoenas.


Dozens of investigators from a task force that includes Corvallis police, the Benton County Sheriff's Office, the FBI, Oregon State Police and the Benton County District Attorney's Office have spent untold hours compiling information and chasing leads.

Thousands of community volunteers have assisted in the search since Wilberger disappeared while cleaning lamp posts in a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot on a sunny day last spring.

A Web site set up to aid the investigation, findbrooke.com, has received almost 500,000 hits.

Divers have searched bodies of water, and Foster Lake near Sweet Home was searched with high-tech sonar equipment. Even satellite photos have been scoured for clues.

The task force can access the latest technology when needed in the search, and its investigation is still, seemingly, very near square one.

At a press conference Tuesday, Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble described the investigation — what's been done, what they know now and where it might lead.

"Are we any closer to solving the case today than we were May 24, 2004?" Noble said in response to a reporter's question. "Only by the standpoint that we know what hasn't happened."
For instance, Noble said, the task force firmly believes Wilberger did not run away. They also believe she was not abducted by an acquaintance, friend, family member or boyfriend.

Investigators "strongly believe the incident was a stranger abduction."

Still, with little evidence but the cleaning supplies and a pair of flip flops left behind on the asphalt, and no leads that have panned out, investigators are still waiting for that one tip — the break that will lead to Wilberger or her abductor, Noble said.

The investigation will not end, Noble said, until every bit of information investigators have has been exhaustively checked out.

The missing woman's parents, Greg and Cammy Wilberger, and brothers-in-law Zak Hansen and Jared Cordon, were asked why Brooke's case has garnered so much media attention.

"Brooke was just an ordinary girl in the wrong place," Cammy Wilberger said. "I think people can identify with that. When people see that, they think that ‘It could be my child.'"

And it could be, she said, stressing that people should be aware of their surroundings at all times, for their own safety.

The family appealed to the person responsible for the abduction.

"Bring her back," Hansen said. "You've had her for a year. I think it's time you bring her back to us."

Cammy Wilberger added: "Come forward with what you know."

She continues to express hope that her daughter will be found alive but indicated that she is grappling with the idea that her fifth child — the second to the youngest — may be dead.

The family said they are trying to get on with their lives and hold onto hope at the same time, but the strain of not knowing what happened to their loved one gets overwhelming at times.

"We're still dealing with the unknown, and that's the piece that we need to resolve, so we can work on moving on," Cammy Wilberger said. "Coping mechanisms don't last forever."

http://democratherald.com/articles/2005/05/25/news/local/news07.txt

[RobertStJames]

Wow!!!!
That's not an answer. What is Zak's alibi?


On May 24, Hansen was in town securing a job offer. Otherwise, he would have stayed at the apartments, which he managed with his wife, Stephanie (Brooke's sister), to help Wilberger clean the light poles lining the south end of the complex beside Philomath highway.


You're aware that Zak has stated, to the OSU Barometer, that the sweatshirt Brooke was wearing was, in fact, his, and that he does not remember where he got it. He thinks a "renter might have left it behind."


RstJ





RstJ

[Anngelique]

A year later, Wilberger family prayerful, realistic
The father of Brooke Wilberger, now missing one year, says relatives know she may never come back

Wednesday, May 25, 2005

RON SOBLE
CORVALLIS -- Tuesday was hauntingly like the day Brooke Wilberger disappeared a year ago: A bright sky illuminated a mild spring day.

Her parents met with reporters a few steps from the Oak Park Apartments, where the 19-year-old Brigham Young University freshman vanished while cleaning outdoor lamps to earn money for fall term.

"It's been a hard year, as you can probably imagine," said Wilberger's mother, Cammy. "We just get up every day thinking, praying and then ready to face the day."

"We have to put our trust in God," said Brooke's father, Greg Wilberger. "There's a plan for everyone."

The reality of the situation is sinking in for the family. "We realize she may not come back alive," Greg Wilberger said.

The Veneta couple met with reporters in a small crowded room at the Hilton Garden Inn across the road from Oregon State University's Reser Stadium. The apartment complex where Brooke Wilberger was working is behind the hotel.

Joining them were two of Brooke Wilberger's brothers-in-law, Zak Hansen, 31, of Corvallis, who managed the apartments; and Jared Cordon, 30, of Portland.

Police have never wavered in their belief that Wilberger was abducted last May 24. An intensive search by a task force made up of Corvallis detectives, the FBI, Oregon State Police and Benton County sheriff's deputies has come up empty.

"We are at the same place," Corvallis police Capt. Ron Noble said. But he added: "We're not done yet. This isn't a cold case."

Detectives found Wilberger's flip-flops, cell phone, keys, wallet and Ford Contour near where she was last seen.

Close to 5,000 tips have poured in for sorting by the task force. Even Tuesday, before the news conference, a woman left a manila envelope at the hotel desk purportedly containing information about the disappearance, Noble said. He declined to comment on its contents. Almost 60 people have been on the task force's "persons of interest" list, including two under investigation now. Noble wouldn't identify them.

Kurt Wuest, a retired Lane County sheriff's deputy who has volunteered time to help in the investigation, concentrates on scrutinizing leads and thinks the stack of information will yield a break in the case.

"Maybe this one or that one can use a second glance," he said in a recent interview. "There will be things that fall through the cracks. It's inevitable."

http://www.oregonlive.com/regional/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1117015131252140.xml&coll=7

[mysteriew]

Police have released one more detail regarding a 911 call made the day Brooke Wilberger was abducted, in hopes of making contact with a man named Brian.

The man, who only gave a first name, used a cell phone to call 911 the day Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot. He reported seeing a speeding and recklessly driven green-mini van in the Rickreal area, north of Monmouth.

Brian made that call at 11 a.m., said Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble. Wilberger was last seen by family members around 10 a.m. May 24, 2004.

http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2005/06/03/news/community/friloc03.txt

[KatherineQ]

I thought they arrived at the 10:50 a.m. time frame based on the amount of work she'd gotten done since being seen at 10 a.m.

[scandi]

Hi everyone,

Most interesting I must say, and must comment further that I am glad that we now have something to try to figure out in this special case.

What didn't happen is what the police chief knows. And it leads him to what did happen by elimination, right?

* No strange or out of place car was reported being seen.

* No one came forward to say they heard someone scream out.

* No one saw her after 10am. {As to calculating time from 10am by the amount of work finished by Brooke on the lamppost, it would not be a fact and only an assumption. I don't think it would be allowed in court or to use in seeking a search warrant}.

To a layman like me, it suggests clearly that she was grabbed quickly, before she could utter a sound or a scream. And it could have happened in seconds or in a few blinks of an eye. That would probably rule out someone she knew as they would probably chat a bit, unless she was cracked over the head from behind, her perp unbenownst to her slipped up on her without making a sound. I suppose the quickness of her bing taken doesn't rule out family or someone she knew, but it would not be a probable assesment, I would think. They would use their wiles to get her into their car and away from the property.

The only thing I can see that would further tell the story as to what didn't happen to Brooke would be the position her flip flops were in when they were discovered. If they were set askew wouldn't that mean she didn't leave on her own but rather unwillingly?

Everything to me adds up to a quick abduction by a stranger.. And I must say whomever here talked about the car being able to be parked while unseen and not in the parking lot to the apt, gives me further thought that that would lend itself to such a scenario.

Being hit hard over the head would incapacitate her but leave blood I think. It makes more sense to me that he threw a wire over her head from behind to grab her and not cause her to die. In the 30 or so minutes it would take to drive up to Rickreall, she could possibly be then waking up, realizing her status and trying to fight valiantly to get out of the moving car which would cause eratic driving to be noticed. She might have grabbed the wheel unexpectedly which wouold cause him to swerve.

Gee, I wish I knew where this guy they have in custody lives. Is it up N of Corvallis?

Another thing I'm thinking is that this new found 911 call has triggered a search for other things he has done in luring girls to his car. He must have some history of doing something which would lead to this or be the next step up from what he has done before. They know him, they know his vehicle, and there is something unique about it that must have been given away by the 911 caller to add to what they already knew to bring out the news like this.

Did I read that this brown, curly haired guy might be related to Brooke? Forgive me, but my brain gets carried away trying to remember everything and put it into perspective.

Has anything been written about what psychics have said about Brooke? I read a poster here senses something about the #10. Does that have any meaning to anyone?

xoxoxo Scandi

I live in Portland but work for a contractor out of Eugene and am a native Oregonian. I feel so connected to this case, and do hope this lead that the police are excited about bears the fruit of finding Brooke to bring her on home.

[Anngelique]

Hi everyone,

Most interesting I must say, and must comment further that I am glad that we now have something to try to figure out in this special case.

What didn't happen is what the police chief knows. And it leads him to what did happen by elimination, right?

* No strange or out of place car was reported being seen.

* No one came forward to say they heard someone scream out.

* No one saw her after 10am. {As to calculating time from 10am by the amount of work finished by Brooke on the lamppost, it would not be a fact and only an assumption. I don't think it would be allowed in court or to use in seeking a search warrant}.

To a layman like me, it suggests clearly that she was grabbed quickly, before she could utter a sound or a scream. And it could have happened in seconds or in a few blinks of an eye. That would probably rule out someone she knew as they would probably chat a bit, unless she was cracked over the head from behind, her perp unbenownst to her slipped up on her without making a sound. I suppose the quickness of her bing taken doesn't rule out family or someone she knew, but it would not be a probable assesment, I would think. They would use their wiles to get her into their car and away from the property.

The only thing I can see that would further tell the story as to what didn't happen to Brooke would be the position her flip flops were in when they were discovered. If they were set askew wouldn't that mean she didn't leave on her own but rather unwillingly?

Everything to me adds up to a quick abduction by a stranger.. And I must say whomever here talked about the car being able to be parked while unseen and not in the parking lot to the apt, gives me further thought that that would lend itself to such a scenario.

Being hit hard over the head would incapacitate her but leave blood I think. It makes more sense to me that he threw a wire over her head from behind to grab her and not cause her to die. In the 30 or so minutes it would take to drive up to Rickreall, she could possibly be then waking up, realizing her status and trying to fight valiantly to get out of the moving car which would cause eratic driving to be noticed. She might have grabbed the wheel unexpectedly which wouold cause him to swerve.

Gee, I wish I knew where this guy they have in custody lives. Is it up N of Corvallis?

Another thing I'm thinking is that this new found 911 call has triggered a search for other things he has done in luring girls to his car. He must have some history of doing something which would lead to this or be the next step up from what he has done before. They know him, they know his vehicle, and there is something unique about it that must have been given away by the 911 caller to add to what they already knew to bring out the news like this.

Did I read that this brown, curly haired guy might be related to Brooke? Forgive me, but my brain gets carried away trying to remember everything and put it into perspective.

Has anything been written about what psychics have said about Brooke? I read a poster here senses something about the #10. Does that have any meaning to anyone?

xoxoxo Scandi

I live in Portland but work for a contractor out of Eugene and am a native Oregonian. I feel so connected to this case, and do hope this lead that the police are excited about bears the fruit of finding Brooke to bring her on home.

No, the brown, curly haired person was a person who was seen in the green van the day before by the worker. I believe he was parked in a parking lot at Resers Stadium.

[scandi]

Thanks Annegelique,

Reser's Stadiumis a very public place. I wonder what it really was that caught the eye of the worker about this man sitting in a car in the drivers seat with his door open? I think it would be a great place to meet someone if they didn't know the area well.

Annegelique, did the writer or reporter that posted here for a while at first ever come back to post again? Just wondering.


xoxox Scandi

[RobertStJames]

Hi everyone,

Most interesting I must say, and must comment further that I am glad that we now have something to try to figure out in this special case.

What didn't happen is what the police chief knows. And it leads him to what did happen by elimination, right?

* No strange or out of place car was reported being seen.

* No one came forward to say they heard someone scream out.

* No one saw her after 10am. {As to calculating time from 10am by the amount of work finished by Brooke on the lamppost
Scandi,

You ever consider the possibility that Brooke was never out there cleaning lampposts at all?




RstJ

[Beffie]

Scandi,

You ever consider the possibility that Brooke was never out there cleaning lampposts at all?




RstJ

Do you think the brother in law took her earlier and planted her stuff there?

I guess I never thought that maybe she didn't go out to clean the lamppost.

It is an interesting thought. I like to believe it was a stranger abduction, did anyone see Brooke cleaning the lampost?

It seems like the family is really close and the police would have questioned the last person to see her (Brother in law was the last, right?).

[Scorpion]

this looks to me like they have a very good possible lead. I feel that the man they are looking for is already in jail, or has been. I feel brooke is no longer with us, I wonder if maybe they could have been two people in the van. one to drive and the other one to slide the van door open and snatch her inside. the police and any other search groups I would encourage strongly to search within a 10 mile radius of where she went missing. for some reason from day one I have felt that she was taken no more than 10 miles away, the number 10 keeps appearing in my mind for some reason, is there a hwy 10 or interstate 10 in that area, state route 10? this could be the answer they are looking for...
I felt that Brooke was gone quite early on. It seems perfectly possible that two abductors were involved.

:chicken: I am kind of chicken to do this, but I feel compelled. I want this time stamped and posted record that my guess for who the person of interest is, is James M. Hickman. I'd surely like to know if he has a green Dodge Van. So if soon they announce that they are charging him with something, I would have the small satisfaction of knowing I deduced it correctly. He is over 200 pounds and could overpower someone petite like Brooke. And BTW, this is just my guess and opinion, not scientifically proven or anything. If I am wrong, I'm wrong.
Just curious, IndigoFalls as to what led you to name this man - I can't find any reference to him.

I really did think Evans was a strong possibilitly - particularly as the last report I found stated that he had no alibi for his whereabouts on the day of Brooke's disappearance. Can't find anything indicating whether he's in or out of jail. However, the description doesn't fit him. But what if there were two of them? You probably wouldn't notice him so much.

Can anybody play the 911 call on this link?

911 call that led to Evans' arrest is released

http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=71834

I'm just wondering if it's been pulled. They certainly know what kind of vehicle Evans had.

[Anngelique]

I felt that Brooke was gone quite early on. It seems perfectly possible that two abductors were involved.


Just curious, IndigoFalls as to what led you to name this man - I can't find any reference to him.

I really did think Evans was a strong possibilitly - particularly as the last report I found stated that he had no alibi for his whereabouts on the day of Brooke's disappearance. Can't find anything indicating whether he's in or out of jail. However, the description doesn't fit him. But what if there were two of them? You probably wouldn't notice him so much.

Can anybody play the 911 call on this link?

911 call that led to Evans' arrest is released

http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=71834

I'm just wondering if it's been pulled. They certainly know what kind of vehicle Evans had.

No, the link does not work any longer. But Evan's has been cleared and is no longer a person of interest in THIS case, but he has a LOT of legal troubles ahead of him for other offenses.

[Scorpion]

No, the link does not work any longer. But Evan's has been cleared and is no longer a person of interest in THIS case, but he has a LOT of legal troubles ahead of him for other offenses.
Oh well, at least they're aware of him now I guess.

[Anngelique]

Scandi,

You ever consider the possibility that Brooke was never out there cleaning lampposts at all?




RstJ

So you are implying that the LE has botched this case and have no clue what they are doing? That because they have not realeased the alibi of the the brother Zak, or because they have not told you exactly why they believed she was out cleaning lamp posts, they are deceiving themselves and that the culprit is her brother-in-law?

Just for your information the LE has not released much about this case... period. As I have said before, the media has run with a couple of leads, but each time the LE was interviewed and questioned, they always said pretty much the same thing. No comment. They have been extremely tight lipped. I can see that you don't like the fact that they have not been releasing what information they have. So instead you are inventing a conspiracy theory and blaming the family even though the LE HAS said it was NOT someone close and it WAS a stranger abduction. The LE would have reason's for this and they HAVE looked into each and every family member and close friend. So I find your accusations rubble and on the verge of slanderous.

[dannyodie]

No, the link does not work any longer. But Evan's has been cleared and is no longer a person of interest in THIS case, but he has a LOT of legal troubles ahead of him for other offenses.

I remember reading about that evans guy. the man that remembers the van being parked looked suspicious to him and that he thought that the man looked like he had kinda long hair, this picture that the link leads too looks like his hair had been somewhat a recent one, this man I don't think came into the picture till sometime after she went missing. maybe he got a hair cut that same day or the next. hopefully he wasn't sleuth enough to evade their investigation on him

http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=71834

[Anngelique]

Argggh, I wrote a long post and it disappeared when I tried to send it.

Evans is a very BAD seed. He was very heavily investigated. Mainly because his step-sister felt he was guilty of taking Brooke. He was first looked at when he tried to lure a woman at a Ross' Dress for Less. He got a face full mace. He was very heavy into drugs at this time. His step-sister led police to some concrete he had poured in the basement of the rental home he was living in. Speculation was they would find Brooke burried under the cement. The police investigated this, and after a very thorough investigation into this Evans guy, determined he could be taken off a person of interest list for Brooke's case. The LE has been very tight lipped and they have not released reasons why he was cleared. The same is to be said with Kim (the panty thief). He is in all kind of trouble in so many counties, but he has been cleared as far as Brooke's case goes. There have been over 50 persons of interest in Brooke's case, and the LE has been working hard, investigating and then clearing these individuals one by one. Again, LE has not said much on what they are doing in particular but they have told us that they have been investigating and ruling individuals out. This include the immediate family and her close friends. They also have been deeply investigated. At this time we have only 2 persons of interest being looked at. One person we know nothing about. The other is the owner of the green van. Until they are cleared they are the best hope we have. Again, I reiterate, the LE has not been telling the public all that they do behind scenes, we just know that they have said they have investigated these people and for reasons not known to the public they have been cleared. The owner of the green van has been on the person of interest list for 6 months now and has NOT been cleared at this time. In fact, now they are asking the public for help in placing him at the scene.

[RobertStJames]

Do you think the brother in law took her earlier and planted her stuff there?

I guess I never thought that maybe she didn't go out to clean the lamppost.

It is an interesting thought. I like to believe it was a stranger abduction, did anyone see Brooke cleaning the lampost?

It seems like the family is really close and the police would have questioned the last person to see her (Brother in law was the last, right?).
He says it was his wife:

Greta (May 26?)

VAN SUSTEREN: Zak, let me go to you now. I think we've fixed our audio problem. Zak, was she staying with you and your wife?
HANSEN: Yes, that is correct. She comes up during the work week and stays with us and our family and works at the apartment complex here.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When was the last time, Zak, you or your wife saw Brooke?
HANSEN: At 10:00 o'clock on Monday morning.
VAN SUSTEREN: And under what circumstances -- was it you or your wife who saw her at about 10:00 o'clock?
HANSEN: It was my wife. And the normal circumstances.


The reason I've always questioned that lammpost story is because of this article, Jun 2, 2004 in the Gazette Times:

But she took pride in her work. Recently, as she drove through the complex with her mom, Brooke pointed them out: "Look at that, Mom. Those are the cleanest light
posts in Corvallis. I cleaned them myself."


Huh? This is not a detail the reporter made up, or one they fudged. Brooke appears to be telling her mother that she'd already cleaned those posts.

She couldn't have been claiming to have cleaned them in 2003. And it makes no sense at all that she'd be cleaning them once a week or even once a month.

If you want an exercise in frustration, try finding an article where anybody saw her out there that day.

RstJ


RstJ

[Anngelique]

He says it was his wife:

Greta (May 26?)

VAN SUSTEREN: Zak, let me go to you now. I think we've fixed our audio problem. Zak, was she staying with you and your wife?
HANSEN: Yes, that is correct. She comes up during the work week and stays with us and our family and works at the apartment complex here.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When was the last time, Zak, you or your wife saw Brooke?
HANSEN: At 10:00 o'clock on Monday morning.
VAN SUSTEREN: And under what circumstances -- was it you or your wife who saw her at about 10:00 o'clock?
HANSEN: It was my wife. And the normal circumstances.


The reason I've always questioned that lammpost story is because of this article, Jun 2, 2004 in the Gazette Times:

But she took pride in her work. Recently, as she drove through the complex with her mom, Brooke pointed them out: "Look at that, Mom. Those are the cleanest light
posts in Corvallis. I cleaned them myself."


Huh? This is not a detail the reporter made up, or one they fudged. Brooke appears to be telling her mother that she'd already cleaned those posts.

She couldn't have been claiming to have cleaned them in 2003. And it makes no sense at all that she'd be cleaning them once a week or even once a month.

If you want an exercise in frustration, try finding an article where anybody saw her out there that day.

RstJ


RstJ

And you don't think it is possible she did some one week and some another? You think she did every light post all in one day? That seems like a huge job since from the pictures I have seen there are so many of them!

You also don't think the LE is intelligent enough to come to the same questions as you do about the light posts? They just skimmed over that and said forget it? You don't think the LE has pinpointed the alibi of the people who last saw her and she was staying with? (namely her sister and brother-in-law?) You think the LE is doing shoddy work and it is right under their noses this whole time? It was a set-up and she never was out there cleaning the posts? And just because it has not been reported that she was actually out there cleaning the lamp posts, you feel she was NOT. There isn't a possibility that some students who live in the apartment did come forward and say they saw her cleaning them? You just don't know because you are not privy to ALL the information. The only thing stated was the sister was the LAST to see her. Not that she was the ONLY one to see her. You are jumping to HUGE conclusions that aren't necessarily there.

[LillyRush]

[QUOTE=IndigoFalls]Hi, When I took pictures and looked around last year, there was a game going on at Reser Stadium, and the Hilton had cars parked in their lot, but not one person or car way in the back of the gravel parking lot that has a gate that goes to Oak Park Apts. Also, when I drove in and looked around, I only saw about one person, and nobody asked me what I was doing or did I want an apartment or anything. It would have been easy to park in the big lot, the big, most vacant lot, that is, and walk through the gate.[QUOTE]

Thanks for the insights into the surroundings..makes more sense now how someone could just be there w/o garnering much attention. Also, I was thinking 10am-ish is usually a pretty dead time in most neighborhoods and apartment complexes. Most people are at work, sahms have dropped off all the kids and might be shopping, and even late rising college students have to leave for late morning classes by then.

[Bhodirasta]

I too am in OR. This case hits home. Everyday, I see a billboard with Brooke.

--- They found some VERY disturbing items in Kim's cell. They found a letter written to his parents saying that they should come with " 5 or 6 people " and they should bring "their guns" because "they are better than anything LE has" (remember the aresenal that was found in the house?)
He was planning an escape.

Also, they found child pornography, pornography with women, and also, a picture of a woman that had her breast surgically removed. Articles and letters found in his cell, that could be reported, contained words such as "rape" "torture" and "whore".

If there is ONE good thing that came out of this, it is that Kim just might be staying behind bars for a loooong loooong time.

Could he be connected somehow? LE surely would have figured this out by now, but good gawd, that is just HORRIBLE.

St. James, I understand your skepticism. I also understand Anngeliques confidence.
I surely hope that Anngelique is right, that it is NOT being reported, because if no one really did NOT see Brooke cleaning lightposts, then yes, that is ODD to say the least...

-Why do I keep comparing this case to Elizabeth Smart??? Elizabeth was of course, much younger, but the "idea" (or even hope that she is still alive) is the same...
-I am gonna say this, because I have been thinking it for a while now, but of course, this is a WILD SHOT IN THE DARK, but there is a FLDS "commune" not too far from where Brooke was abducted. That "commune" was the place the Lafferty Brothers visited right before they killed Brenda Lafferty and her dear dear baby...
This is more HOPE that she is alive, than reality, but no one can fault me for that... I do HOPE that she was "stolen" like Smart, and not abducted by some "stranger" that killed her...

[RobertStJames]

And you don't think it is possible she did some one week and some another? You think she did every light post all in one day? That seems like a huge job since from the pictures I have seen there are so many of them!

Yeah, well I've *been* there, and there just aren't that many. Not even a full day's work. And they were all spotless when I looked at them. And I looked at every single one of them. Carefully.

Yes, LE screws up cases sometimes. That's what happened here. Fortunately, I don't think Capt. Noble was one of the ones fooled, and he's running the case now. The guy who used to be running it, Capt. Deutsch, was applying for a job in Los Alamos on 1/9/2005. That is to say, about six months ago, when LE first came up with their current (and extremely secret) POI.

You think someone else saw her? You think that with reporters from local, state, even national levels all over Corvallis that nobody was able to find a witness who would say they saw her? Even an anonymous one?

btw, what do you make of the fact that her sister has not said one single word to the press, ever? Do you think that was helpful in finding out what happened to Brooke?

RstJ

[lynie]

I too am in OR. This case hits home. Everyday, I see a billboard with Brooke.

--- They found some VERY disturbing items in Kim's cell. They found a letter written to his parents saying that they should come with " 5 or 6 people " and they should bring "their guns" because "they are better than anything LE has" (remember the aresenal that was found in the house?)
He was planning an escape.

Also, they found child pornography, pornography with women, and also, a picture of a woman that had her breast surgically removed. Articles and letters found in his cell, that could be reported, contained words such as "rape" "torture" and "whore".

If there is ONE good thing that came out of this, it is that Kim just might be staying behind bars for a loooong loooong time.

Could he be connected somehow? LE surely would have figured this out by now, but good gawd, that is just HORRIBLE.

St. James, I understand your skepticism. I also understand Anngeliques confidence.
I surely hope that Anngelique is right, that it is NOT being reported, because if no one really did NOT see Brooke cleaning lightposts, then yes, that is ODD to say the least...

-Why do I keep comparing this case to Elizabeth Smart??? Elizabeth was of course, much younger, but the "idea" (or even hope that she is still alive) is the same...
-I am gonna say this, because I have been thinking it for a while now, but of course, this is a WILD SHOT IN THE DARK, but there is a FLDS "commune" not too far from where Brooke was abducted. That "commune" was the place the Lafferty Brothers visited right before they killed Brenda Lafferty and her dear dear baby...
This is more HOPE that she is alive, than reality, but no one can fault me for that... I do HOPE that she was "stolen" like Smart, and not abducted by some "stranger" that killed her...

Hey Bhodi! Funny that you should mention that...a few of us just finished "Under the Banner of Heaven" a few months ago. A couple of the people that read it mentioned that very same thing, that like Elizabeth Smart, they felt that Brooke was abducted for a plural marriage in the Corvallis/Woodburn compound. I only wish it were that easy and simple!

[starpatch]

I live in Springfield Oregon, my son works with Brooks father.

[Bhodirasta]

Hey Bhodi! Funny that you should mention that...a few of us just finished "Under the Banner of Heaven" a few months ago. A couple of the people that read it mentioned that very same thing, that like Elizabeth Smart, they felt that Brooke was abducted for a plural marriage in the Corvallis/Woodburn compound. I only wish it were that easy and simple!

I know lynie. It is definitely easier than the "other" alternative...
Weird how close Woodburn is, isn't it? I had no idea that the "commune" even existed until I read that book. Scandi brings up a really good point about the flip flops. I wish we knew how close they were found to one another...
Also weird how the callers name was BRIAN (david mitchell) and also weird how we are just now learning about it...
I can't beleive they haven't found him yet.

[lynie]

I live in Springfield Oregon, my son works with Brooks father.

Oh Starpatch....I cannot imagine the pain Brookes father must feel. My daughter attends the high school that one of the sons-in-law (Jared Condon)
is Vice Principal of. Before I found out that they were related I thought Jared was a very open and friendly guy, and once I found out this little bit about his personal life, I admire him more. Awesome family, in my opinion.....

[lynie]

I know lynie. It is definitely easier than the "other" alternative...
Weird how close Woodburn is, isn't it? I had no idea that the "commune" even existed until I read that book. Scandi brings up a really good point about the flip flops. I wish we knew how close they were found to one another...
Also weird how the callers name was BRIAN (david mitchell) and also weird how we are just now learning about it...
I can't beleive they haven't found him yet.

Woodburn is close, and even more concerning is how much in its own world it has become. We drove through there a couple of months ago. In the original "downtown" area you would swear you were in a town in Mexico. All of the stores are latino themed, and the signs written in spanish. Travel toward I-5 and it is all-American Burger King and outlet mall. Yet in Woodburn as well is a large Russian immigrant population, and a Mennonite settlement too. All of this and the recent (to me!) revelation of a polygamist sect too!!

I think all of these factors plus the fact that it is a rural area make it a perfect place to hide somebody!! Not that I think Brooke is there, but I sure would like it if she were!!

[gardenmom]

Yeah, well I've *been* there, and there just aren't that many. Not even a full day's work. And they were all spotless when I looked at them. And I looked at every single one of them. Carefully.

Yes, LE screws up cases sometimes. That's what happened here. Fortunately, I don't think Capt. Noble was one of the ones fooled, and he's running the case now. The guy who used to be running it, Capt. Deutsch, was applying for a job in Los Alamos on 1/9/2005. That is to say, about six months ago, when LE first came up with their current (and extremely secret) POI.

You think someone else saw her? You think that with reporters from local, state, even national levels all over Corvallis that nobody was able to find a witness who would say they saw her? Even an anonymous one?

btw, what do you make of the fact that her sister has not said one single word to the press, ever? Do you think that was helpful in finding out what happened to Brooke?

RstJ
So why don't you turn in this bit of info you have found and "enlighten" the police, pun intended.

[starpatch]

Oh Starpatch....I cannot imagine the pain Brookes father must feel. My daughter attends the high school that one of the sons-in-law (Jared Condon)
is Vice Principal of. Before I found out that they were related I thought Jared was a very open and friendly guy, and once I found out this little bit about his personal life, I admire him more. Awesome family, in my opinion.....
What my son says about the father of Brook is the same as you feel towards the son-in-law, a wonderful family.
I cannot even imagine the pain.

[scandi]

Hi Bhodie,

If they have found him maybe mum's the word! They still might need any info on sightings of the minivan as to for instance luring or following females.

I respect your opinion Robert as you evidently have put a lot of thought into the case. From what I have read, it seems the Corvallis police might be exceptionally apt at their approach to solving the crime. I believe the general public only needs to know what is imperative to gain information to solve the crime. Solving the crime is #1 and so whatever it takes that is legal by LE to do this is fine with me. There must be reasons they can't clue us in on particulars.

Hey, wouldn't it be great if they had a special call-line for crime-forum sleuthers!

I did study the Elizabeth Smart case with great dedication, and remember times when many of us felt the SLCPD was simply inept and doing nothing to solve the case as we never heard what they knew or were doing. I was very nieve at that time. Now our beloved PC Corona was always out in front of the public drawing them in to the case ~ but it was a different scenario with a fresh abduction and a visual description of a car and perp by Samantha's playmate.

As to the reported scenario and the facts in the case about Brooke being in the act of cleaning lamp posts when she disappeared, we can only go on what was reported by the family here. Where did it come from that they had judged what time Brooke was taken from 10am by the amount of work she had accomplished that morning?

The other thought I have is that there are posters here who might have inside information about the case. For instance, a name was thrown out on this thread wondering if he could be the perp. Who is this guy she mentions? There must be a reason the poster wondered about this. And in the beginning of the case we had a poster here for a short while who seemed to know a lot about the inside workings of the case. He was a reporter for a paper I think in the local area. At times reading him I felt goosebumps travel up and down my body!

So, there is one more thing I am curious about. Does anyone here know anything about the POI with the green minivan? His name or if his home is north of Corvallis. It is so eerie, but looking at what we know about Evans who was discounted as Brooke's perp, he seems to fit so much of a profile in the case. What kind of a car does he have. Is he still in jail. His previous crimes could be a precedent to an abduction/murder, as all criminals develop in their crimes and for instance rapists often do become abductors and then eventually murderers. Right? I think what we learned about Kim today shows how a panty thief sicko could easily progress to an abductor who could eventually disect a womans breast right off her body and feel it was his way to make the world a better place! Pretty scary, IMHO.

We do have a tight team of interested sleuths living close by in the Willamette Valley. Ya Ya


Scandi

[RobertStJames]

Hi Bhodie,

<..>
The other thought I have is that there are posters here who might have inside information about the case. For instance, a name was thrown out on this thread wondering if he could be the perp. Who is this guy she mentions? There must be a reason the poster wondered about this. And in the beginning of the case we had a poster here for a short while who seemed to know a lot about the inside workings of the case. He was a reporter for a paper I think in the local area. At times reading him I felt goosebumps travel up and down my body!
<...>

Scandi
NewsPerson. Best posts on the case, although he had no real inside information. He mentioned there were vicious rumors circling around the apartment complexes close to Oak Park. He never said what they were.


RstJ

[scandi]

Hi again!

It is 10:15pm and have just heard on the news that Brooke's case has gone national with the advent of America's Most Wanted now actively working on her case.

The more input and activity on the case the better, right? I guess everyone here is asleep, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to hear any answers to my questions. I think a turning point is here in finding out what happened to Brooke and where she is at present. Well, I should clarify that by saying I think the investigation will take an uphill swing now which will lead to confirming the studied feelings of the detectives in the case that will culminate in naming her killer and finding Brooke.

I do think of her family and friends tonight ~ and everyone who has cared enough to study her case and assist with their ideas to help bring her home. On edge, let's all be on edge with positive thoughts to assist those who are trying to solve this mystery and bring her home.


Starpatch!~ How great to see you here. Springfield is so close, and I never knew you were within a 2 1/2 hour drive!!! Have been concentrating on video surveillance systems in your area lately as there is a strong need for buisnesses to have that edge of safety. What growth I see there, as like nothing I have seen in the last 2 years! xoxoxoxo


Scandi

PS: I've also gotta say that Woodburn has blown my mind. I know there are a lot of new Mexxican reataurants,, bakeries and stores there, as many have popped up on my alcohol application list. But this news about a Mennonite camp being located there, with everything implied by your posts, is amazing to me in this day and age. Does KATU know about its existance? Have never seen it featured on a news show.

[scandi]

Thanks Robert,

I don't remember about the rumors circling around. I'll have to go back and reread his posts on the other thread. But he was a local journalist who was right there at the beginning of the case, and wonder how he could help but come to conclusions from 'inside' info he would have to glean just by knowing so many people involved in the case like he stated he did.

In fact he was so in tune with what LE & the media was putting forth that I often wanted to know more about him. In other words, for a new case and such a tragic happening, I thought he might have been a bit too knowledgable about the goings on right out of the chute! Maybe I have just watched too many crime shows, LOL

And if you are reading here Newsperson, there is nothing personal about what I said. I was your most avid reader. I just wished you had stuck around instead of suddenly dropping out of sight. We'd love to hear what you think with the advent of our new information on the case.


Scandi

[IndigoFalls]

I had the impression that newsperson was a woman. Whoever he or she was, they did stop posting. Perhaps their boss told them it wasn't really appropriate or something. Most of us don't know when we see a post, who is behind the post.

I named a possible perp, only so that if it turns out later that I am right, I will have a time stamped record that I guessed it. I am an amateur sleuth. I am not connected in any way with the news, television, press, police or sheriff's dept. or anything. I would just really would enjoy helping to solve this tragic thing that has happened to Brooke. I don't want to give away any of my efforts that led me to name a possible perp as I did. If I am right, good. I will tell more information later if it turns out that way. If I am wrong, then the guy doesn't deserve to have whatever little pittance of clues and sleuthing I have come up with be spread around.

I have noticed on this group that lots of people get their information wrong and/or jump to conclusions. I almost hate to say anything. I came back after months away, because they had the new lead about the green van and because I was hoping this time would be different.

I posted that I would love to know of any of the 450 psychic tips had any reference to Polynesian type statues or Easter Island type statues, small ones and something made out of clay? I didn't say anything about the description of the possible perp being Polynesian. That wasn't what I meant at all. Does anybody on this board know of any of the psychic tips, or are all 450 of them secret?

I complimented Robert St. James (I'm going from memory and I think I have that right?) I apologize if I don't. Anyway, I said his pictures I could see were very good. But I asked if he noticed the gate? and if he got a picture of it, and never heard anything in the way of an answer. Maybe there was one and I missed it. I'm afraid if I go back to look up each little thing and name, that I'll get bumped and lose all I have typed so far.

Also RStJ, you mentioned a name in parentheses after your remark that Brian (then I think you typed David Mitchell or something like that) made a 911 call. I am not being facetious. I really don't know why that name was there or who it is or what it means? Would you be willing to say more about it? It was very interesting that the sister that lives at Oak Park (or did live there) never appeared in public about it. But we don't know her reasons. Maybe she was afraid she would just fall completely apart in front of the public. Mormons usually, but not always, have very tight-knit family values, and strong ones, but the males can be a bit chauvinistic. Perhaps it was just assumed that Zak (the man of the family at that location) would handle speaking for her. Come to think of it, I don't even know if he is Mormon.

I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

I wish us all luck in piecing together something that might help solve this. Also, many people are different than me, but if it were my child missing, or my young adult missing, I would probably make a fake name and go here and lurk. I'd be trying everything I could think of for some hope that maybe even the perp posts here or that someone might propose an idea about how things happened that would actually break the case. We don't know. Bye for now. :twocents:

[CaliKid]

When Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped an uncle (I think) was designated the family spokesman. When Danielle van Damm was kidnapped, a woman who was a friend of mother Brenda addressed the media. Therefore it doesn't surprise me at all that the son-in-law is speaking up for the Wilbergers.

[Anngelique]

I had the impression that newsperson was a woman. Whoever he or she was, they did stop posting. Perhaps their boss told them it wasn't really appropriate or something. Most of us don't know when we see a post, who is behind the post.

I named a possible perp, only so that if it turns out later that I am right, I will have a time stamped record that I guessed it. I am an amateur sleuth. I am not connected in any way with the news, television, press, police or sheriff's dept. or anything. I would just really would enjoy helping to solve this tragic thing that has happened to Brooke. I don't want to give away any of my efforts that led me to name a possible perp as I did. If I am right, good. I will tell more information later if it turns out that way. If I am wrong, then the guy doesn't deserve to have whatever little pittance of clues and sleuthing I have come up with be spread around.

I have noticed on this group that lots of people get their information wrong and/or jump to conclusions. I almost hate to say anything. I came back after months away, because they had the new lead about the green van and because I was hoping this time would be different.

I posted that I would love to know of any of the 450 psychic tips had any reference to Polynesian type statues or Easter Island type statues, small ones and something made out of clay? I didn't say anything about the description of the possible perp being Polynesian. That wasn't what I meant at all. Does anybody on this board know of any of the psychic tips, or are all 450 of them secret?

I complimented Robert St. James (I'm going from memory and I think I have that right?) I apologize if I don't. Anyway, I said his pictures I could see were very good. But I asked if he noticed the gate? and if he got a picture of it, and never heard anything in the way of an answer. Maybe there was one and I missed it. I'm afraid if I go back to look up each little thing and name, that I'll get bumped and lose all I have typed so far.

Also RStJ, you mentioned a name in parentheses after your remark that Brian (then I think you typed David Mitchell or something like that) made a 911 call. I am not being facetious. I really don't know why that name was there or who it is or what it means? Would you be willing to say more about it? It was very interesting that the sister that lives at Oak Park (or did live there) never appeared in public about it. But we don't know her reasons. Maybe she was afraid she would just fall completely apart in front of the public. Mormons usually, but not always, have very tight-knit family values, and strong ones, but the males can be a bit chauvinistic. Perhaps it was just assumed that Zak (the man of the family at that location) would handle speaking for her. Come to think of it, I don't even know if he is Mormon.

I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

I wish us all luck in piecing together something that might help solve this. Also, many people are different than me, but if it were my child missing, or my young adult missing, I would probably make a fake name and go here and lurk. I'd be trying everything I could think of for some hope that maybe even the perp posts here or that someone might propose an idea about how things happened that would actually break the case. We don't know. Bye for now. :twocents:

Wonderful post Indigo! :clap:

The only thing we know about the 911 call is Brian called in about a speeding, recklessly driven mini-van. His call was cut short by his cell phone going dead. I know for a FACT that there are several dead spots in that area especially if they get on Hwy. 22. My husband worked in Dallas and we would talk on his way home from work and we got dropped calls. That does not mean that it was a dropped call because of a dead spot, it could have been his phone went dead. Most likely he felt like he did his duty and did not feel the need to call back. The only other fact that we know, is that the police DO know EXACTLY what mini-van they are looking for. They know where that van is. They know who the owner of this green mini-van is and they have said he is not a threat to the community. They will not confirm that he is in jail, just that he is not a threat to the community.

As far as Brooke's sisters not commenting, we don't know a reason. They could be just too emotional. I don't know if I could speak without breaking down after something like this happening to my loved one. I do know that Zak is LDS. His brother is the one who was setting up and managing the reward fund. I am LDS as well and on sister-in-laws cousin is married to Brooke's sister. As you saw in the Smart case and the Hacking/Soares case, LDS families are very close. I would actually say LDS women are normally more outspoken and very confident women then even the general public. Don't let the false media image of timid/mousy/ oppressed women cloud your judgement. I have yet to know of any LDS woman like that and I have been a member my entire life. Most of the women I know run the family. I have always been teased about wearing the pants in my family. However, we are taught that the husband is the Patriarch of our home and we respect that. But we are also taught that we are equal and one and it is a partnership. So if Lori's sisters don't speak out, I would say it is because they CHOOSE not to speak out. Flip it a little, who do you speaks more in the media, Brooke's mom or Brooke's dad? Definitely Brooke's mom. She has been an amazing woman and tries so hard to be upbeat and positive.

To answer your questions about the psychic tips, I know of no place mentioning them. In fact, the police have been so tight lipped about the whole case there is really not much to go on. Even when Kim and Evans were being investigated you learned about them through other people, NOT the LE. When Evan's step-sister showed KATU the cement he had poured and told the story of him having scratches and bruises on him, the LE basically discredited her story. They kept stressing he was just a person of interest and they were looking into him. So we truly don't know what LE has. I have found no place that mentions any evidence LE has. The only thing I know the LE has said affirmative is they believe it was a stranger abduction. The only other thing I have seen the LE quoted as saying is the time frame of when the 911 call was made and the estimated time Brooke went missing coincide. So we truly don't have much to go on.

We still have several local missionaries wear daily, "Find Brooke" buttons. They are just a photo copy of Brooke that have been lamenated and say "find brooke". Since the missionaries meet people on a daily basis it is a good way to keep her name and face in the public eye.

Brooke is in my heart and thoughts. I pray her family can finally find the truth. I can't say so they can get some resolution because there really is none. Just truth of knowing what happened.

[RobertStJames]

<..>
I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

There is no "Brian." There never was. It was a ruse by LE to get sightings of green minivans north of Corvallis on May 24, 2004.

I think a lot more squabbling *should* have been done rather than accepting the stranger abduction at face value without ever questioning it. And I fail to see how simply repeating news articles is in any way going to help find out what happened. But hey, since we *are* repeating articles, how about this one?

This is Peter Chee writing for the OSU Barometer:



Hansen said he figured Wilberger stubbed her toe and had gotten a ride to the doctor. The thought of Brooke being abducted had not yet entered his mind.
After his own search proved unsuccessful, Hansen was the one who made the first call to the police. It was 3 p.m.



Stubbed her toe?





RstJ

[Bhodirasta]

I had the impression that newsperson was a woman. Whoever he or she was, they did stop posting. Perhaps their boss told them it wasn't really appropriate or something. Most of us don't know when we see a post, who is behind the post.

I named a possible perp, only so that if it turns out later that I am right, I will have a time stamped record that I guessed it. I am an amateur sleuth. I am not connected in any way with the news, television, press, police or sheriff's dept. or anything. I would just really would enjoy helping to solve this tragic thing that has happened to Brooke. I don't want to give away any of my efforts that led me to name a possible perp as I did. If I am right, good. I will tell more information later if it turns out that way. If I am wrong, then the guy doesn't deserve to have whatever little pittance of clues and sleuthing I have come up with be spread around.

I have noticed on this group that lots of people get their information wrong and/or jump to conclusions. I almost hate to say anything. I came back after months away, because they had the new lead about the green van and because I was hoping this time would be different.

I posted that I would love to know of any of the 450 psychic tips had any reference to Polynesian type statues or Easter Island type statues, small ones and something made out of clay? I didn't say anything about the description of the possible perp being Polynesian. That wasn't what I meant at all. Does anybody on this board know of any of the psychic tips, or are all 450 of them secret?

I complimented Robert St. James (I'm going from memory and I think I have that right?) I apologize if I don't. Anyway, I said his pictures I could see were very good. But I asked if he noticed the gate? and if he got a picture of it, and never heard anything in the way of an answer. Maybe there was one and I missed it. I'm afraid if I go back to look up each little thing and name, that I'll get bumped and lose all I have typed so far.

Also RStJ, you mentioned a name in parentheses after your remark that Brian (then I think you typed David Mitchell or something like that) made a 911 call. I am not being facetious. I really don't know why that name was there or who it is or what it means? Would you be willing to say more about it? It was very interesting that the sister that lives at Oak Park (or did live there) never appeared in public about it. But we don't know her reasons. Maybe she was afraid she would just fall completely apart in front of the public. Mormons usually, but not always, have very tight-knit family values, and strong ones, but the males can be a bit chauvinistic. Perhaps it was just assumed that Zak (the man of the family at that location) would handle speaking for her. Come to think of it, I don't even know if he is Mormon.

I couldn't get the 911 call link that Brian made. Did he describe a green Dodge van and a license # by chance? Does anyone know for sure, or just guessing? I think it is fun and interesting to bat around different ideas, but I think we should try to treat each other respectfully even if we disagree with the other person. Squabbling among ourselves is counter-productive to helping to find Brooke.

I wish us all luck in piecing together something that might help solve this. Also, many people are different than me, but if it were my child missing, or my young adult missing, I would probably make a fake name and go here and lurk. I'd be trying everything I could think of for some hope that maybe even the perp posts here or that someone might propose an idea about how things happened that would actually break the case. We don't know. Bye for now. :twocents:

Howdy Indigo! How are ya?
I think you are speaking of my comments about Brian (David Mitchell). Brian David Mitchell was the Mormon WHACKO fundamentalist that kidnapped E. Smart and took her as his bride. He is a polygamist of course... I was speaking of the Mormon Fundamentalist Polygamist "colony" or "commune" located in Corvallis/Woodburn that was the place that the Lafferty brothers visited right before they went and Killed Brenda Lafferty.(not a Mennonite commune). This commune is VERY close to where Brooke was "taken". The "source" of this knowledge is from a book about the Lafferty case by John Krakauer titled "Under the Banner of Heaven". (He also wrote about Everest (he climbed it) "In to Thin Air" and Alaska "In to the Wild") If you are interested in that case, (it also speaks A LOT about the E. Smart case) you can find it in the Sharing forum. I just sent the book to Pepper, and the last I heard, she was done. Lynie also read the book. It is facinating to say the least.
I don't necessarily think that Brooke was Kidnapped as a "God sent" plural wife, but I tell ya what, I would like that MUCH MORE than the alternative...
The parallels are astounding IMHO, and I will readily admit that this is pretty unrealistic, but hey, I don't think I am the only one that sees similarities in the cases...

[scandi]

A pause for thought!

Bhodi, how did this author come up with info that Brooke was taken to a certain place? How reliable do you think it is, in other words, do you think this idea is what investigators working on the case believe as well?

I'm going to have to go back and re-read some earlier posts, as I thought the article stated LE know where the green minivan is and the owner of it is incarcerated on another crime. That's why I wanted to know more about who he is - does anyone know his name?

As to LE giving the public purely false info to get further tips, I don't think they would have to do that Robert. They could just come out and ask that anyone who saw a suspicious green minivan on that date in Corvallis or its proximity, please call us. Right?


Some really great posts here. Had to read every one before I go watch a movie. LOL


Scandi

[RobertStJames]

A pause for thought!

<...>
As to LE giving the public purely false info to get further tips, I don't think they would have to do that Robert. They could just come out and ask that anyone who saw a suspicious green minivan on that date in Corvallis or its proximity, please call us. Right?


Scandi
Sure. Like Modesto Police gave the Laci tip line that hot piece of info about Scott being seen at 3am on the highway towing his boat with something in the back rolled up in a Mexican blanket. An obviously bad tip that MPD was testing the family's Laci hotline with to see if information was being passed back.

LE sometimes does things like this. Especially in the case where they're trying to protect the identity of the POI, which is weird, since they haven't done that for any of their other main suspects.

There may very well be a "Brian" out there. He might even have been around Rickreal at 11am and phoned in a 911 on a lousy driver. He might live in a cave and not be aware that the police would like to hear from him again. The service that took the 911 call might have forgotten to log the cellphone number the call came in on, but remembered to write down the date, time, make of vehicle, and caller's name. I might be Father Christmas and have a workshop full of elves busy making next year's toys.

Don't count on me showing up with a bag full of same on Dec 25 and don't expect to hear anything more about "Brian."


RstJ

[scandi]

I'm wondering why America's Most Wanted is now coming in to work on Brooke's case after it has been a whole year since she disappeared?

Do you think it is because LE might be close to a solution and have contacted AMW as they have the perfect set-up and credibility to get the one tip they need to nail the guy who owns that green minivan? I am having a hard time seeing why it is necessary to find other occurances of this man tailing females or trying to grab them. :confused:

Forgive me, but I just watched 'Suspect Zero' and my mind could be in overdrive! LOL


Scandi

[Anngelique]

I'm wondering why America's Most Wanted is now coming in to work on Brooke's case after it has been a whole year since she disappeared?

Do you think it is because LE might be close to a solution and have contacted AMW as they have the perfect set-up and credibility to get the one tip they need to nail the guy who owns that green minivan? I am having a hard time seeing why it is necessary to find other occurances of this man tailing females or trying to grab them. :confused:

Forgive me, but I just watched 'Suspect Zero' and my mind could be in overdrive! LOL


Scandi

I think this is a very good point, Scandi! LE sure is trying to get help from the public and there has got to be a reason for it. It was mentioned they want to know other places that this min-van was such as in a farmer's field, or remote location so they can find Brooke. That sounds more like a suspect than a person of interest though they have to be politically correct in these things.

[scandi]

Thanks Anngelique, and your explaination sounds right. This guy has been a POI since the beginning, right? Wouldn't you love to know what it is they have on him to keep him in the last two POI's? Do you think they have examined the green minivan? As Robert says the police don't always let out the truth, and since they say they know where it is, do you think it is right under their nose and in the police garage? Possible, I think. If he isn't co-operating with the police but they have say found one of her hairs in that car, I could easily see why they now need AMW and the public's help in seeing where he could have possibly taken her.

By the way, thanks for writing back!!! I was goin' crazy to hear from someone like you who had a further idea. :blowkiss:


Scandi

[RobertStJames]

Thanks Anngelique, and your explaination sounds right. This guy has been a POI since the beginning, right? Wouldn't you love to know what it is they have on him to keep him in the last two POI's? Do you think they have examined the green minivan? As Robert says the police don't always let out the truth, and since they say they know where it is, do you think it is right under their nose and in the police garage? Possible, I think. If he isn't co-operating with the police but they have say found one of her hairs in that car, I could easily see why they now need AMW and the public's help in seeing where he could have possibly taken her.

By the way, thanks for writing back!!! I was goin' crazy to hear from someone like you who had a further idea. :blowkiss:


Scandi
If it was someone who didn't know her and one of her hairs had been found in his vehicle, he'd be under arrest and the press would be all over this thing.

The green minivan is most likely being used on daily basis by the POI, and LE has undoubtably searched it.

Now, put that together with the request for a sample of a sweatshirt (Zak Hansen's sweatshirt, btw) that Brooke was wearing that day and what do you think that adds up to?


RstJ

[gardenmom]

I'm wondering why America's Most Wanted is now coming in to work on Brooke's case after it has been a whole year since she disappeared?

Do you think it is because LE might be close to a solution and have contacted AMW as they have the perfect set-up and credibility to get the one tip they need to nail the guy who owns that green minivan? I am having a hard time seeing why it is necessary to find other occurances of this man tailing females or trying to grab them. :confused:

Forgive me, but I just watched 'Suspect Zero' and my mind could be in overdrive! LOL


Scandi
I watched that movie recently too, wasn't that just about the most disturbing movie you have ever see? :eek:

[scandi]

Yes gardenmom,

I haven't even gone to sleep yet for the night and I've already had a nightmare! LOL

So Robert, are you saying that the police requested of Zack a particular sweatshirt or any sweatshirt that was his and he had worn? The police evidently knew Brooke was wearing one of Zack's sweatshirts when she disappeared, right?

Guess I'd have to know you better to ask why you think Zack is somehow suspicious in Brooke's disappearance. But I will anyway. What makes you think there is something there? Are you putting 2 + 2 together about why Brooke was wearing her brother-in-laws sweatshirt when she went missing? I don't see anything interesting about that. Many times I have asked my son for a shirt or sweatshirt of his that I wanted and he would give it to me. Very simple!


Scandi

[Bhodirasta]

A pause for thought!

Bhodi, how did this author come up with info that Brooke was taken to a certain place? How reliable do you think it is, in other words, do you think this idea is what investigators working on the case believe as well?

I'm going to have to go back and re-read some earlier posts, as I thought the article stated LE know where the green minivan is and the owner of it is incarcerated on another crime. That's why I wanted to know more about who he is - does anyone know his name?

As to LE giving the public purely false info to get further tips, I don't think they would have to do that Robert. They could just come out and ask that anyone who saw a suspicious green minivan on that date in Corvallis or its proximity, please call us. Right?



Scandi


Hi Scandi! It is sooo good to "talk" to you again! Seems like it has been a long while since the LP forum days and Sandra and the mineral deposits, doesn't it?
I should have said it better. I am VERY good at confusing people. LOL!
I was speaking of the proximity of the commune to where Brooke was last seen...
It hasn't been said where Brooke was taken TO, but instead, where she was taken FROM. The commune is in the Corvalis/Woodburn area. I am tempted to go find it... I think my lovey might shoot me though. LOL! (Like I could find it anyway, I could get lost in a cardboard box :D )
I sure wish I had a copy of that book. I wonder if lynie does. It gives details of names and places... The commune does support some mighty "odd" behaviour- nothing short of - well - "an openess to sexuality"...
I know this sounds absolutely ridiculous... But I can't help hoping that she is alive somewhere, kidnapped by some nutter like Mitchell...
What I find Bizarre Scandi, is all of a "sudden"- this mini van and a man named Brian pops in to the picture... There is a reason for it.
Did ALL of the family members take LDTs? (I can't blame em if they didn't, but I do wonder)

[RobertStJames]

Yes gardenmom,


So Robert, are you saying that the police requested of Zack a particular sweatshirt or any sweatshirt that was his and he had worn? The police evidently knew Brooke was wearing one of Zack's sweatshirts when she disappeared, right?

Guess I'd have to know you better to ask why you think Zack is somehow suspicious in Brooke's disappearance. But I will anyway. What makes you think there is something there? Are you putting 2 + 2 together about why Brooke was wearing her brother-in-laws sweatshirt when she went missing? I don't see anything interesting about that. Many times I have asked my son for a shirt or sweatshirt of his that I wanted and he would give it to me. Very simple!


Scandi
He spells his name Zak. He spelled it out at the press conference. LE wants a "freshjive" sweatshirt, dark blue hoodie, that was last made in 1999-2000. The hoodie was Zak's. He says that's what he last saw Brooke wearing. He won't say where it came from. The best he can do is suggest that "a renter left it behind."

Nevermind why a 5'4" girl would want a sweatshirt from a guy that looks at least 6'3". And nevermind why he can't say where it came from. And nevermind that it was a fairly warm day, even in the morning, and she was supposed to be working which would have kept her warm enough. And nevermind that there's not a single sighting of her, hoodie or no, after 10am. And nevermind we didn't hear any of this until very recently. Let's just focus on the facts:

a) Brooke was wearing her bil's sweatshirt when she vanished.
b) Family members (Zak said 'his wife') were the last people to see her
c) No one saw her after that


Wouldn't you just be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious especially when you later learned that Zak left that day to go "secure a job interview" even though he is clearly listed on the staff directory of the job he currently holds and was listed there as of April 2004?

Or is it easier to lay this on a bogeyman from a commune that is apparently invisible?


RstJ

[Bhodirasta]

He spells his name Zak. He spelled it out at the press conference. LE wants a "freshjive" sweatshirt, dark blue hoodie, that was last made in 1999-2000. The hoodie was Zak's. He says that's what he last saw Brooke wearing. He won't say where it came from. The best he can do is suggest that "a renter left it behind."

Nevermind why a 5'4" girl would want a sweatshirt from a guy that looks at least 6'3". And nevermind why he can't say where it came from. And nevermind that it was a fairly warm day, even in the morning, and she was supposed to be working which would have kept her warm enough. And nevermind that there's not a single sighting of her, hoodie or no, after 10am. And nevermind we didn't hear any of this until very recently. Let's just focus on the facts:

a) Brooke was wearing her bil's sweatshirt when she vanished.
b) Family members (Zak said 'his wife') were the last people to see her
c) No one saw her after that


Wouldn't you just be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious especially when you later learned that Zak left that day to go "secure a job interview" even though he is clearly listed on the staff directory of the job he currently holds and was listed there as of April 2004?

Or is it easier to lay this on a bogeyman from a commune that is apparently invisible?


RstJ