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annemc2
06-07-2005, 07:17 PM
This is from http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_060705_news_dead_woman.2ef852a7f.html
(login: douglas9 password: southbend)

The remains were determined to belong to a white female, approximately 15 to 16 years old at the time of her death, according to Sgt. Craig Hogman with the Clark County Sheriff’s Department.

The girl’s estimated date of birth is 1964 to 1967 and the estimated date of death is between November 1978 and April 1979, Hogman said.

Local police worked with the NCMEC to create a composite of the girl - the website has the composite on it. Hopefully this photo will be added to Doenetwork and other sites like it to help ID this beautiful young girl. Someone, somewhere is wondering what
happened to her.

annemc2
06-07-2005, 07:25 PM
oh, they've already got to it. I wonder how long it takes the news people to get interested in a story like this?

Here's her Doenetwork page - with the new composite drawing. Sorry if this is old news.


http://doenetwork.org/cases/427ufwa.html

Anngelique
06-15-2005, 05:31 PM
Check out the link. They show the pictures of 2 of the missing girls. Do you think one of these girls could be the match to the skull that was found? Will this mystery finally be solved because of the new technology that can put a face to a skull? I personally find this really interesting and I hope one family finally finds an answer after 25 years.


http://katu.com/stories/77795.html

June 14, 2005

Families come forward in hopes of solving cold case
By Dan Tilkin

and KATU Web Staff

VANCOUVER, Wash. - Three families will have their DNA analyzed in the hopes of solving a cold case that dates back more than two decades.

Each family has compelling reasons to believe that a skull and bones found in 1980 in northeastern Clark County belongs to their loved one.

A father and son were mining for gold along Fly Creek 25 years ago, just south of Healy Road, when they stumbled across the partial remains.

At the time, detectives combed the area and investigated all the missing persons cases, but came up empty. Now, 25 years later, they are hoping a composite of what the young girl looked like will help them determine her identity.

Since that composite was released to the media, the families of three missing girls have come forward wondering if the mystery girl could be their loved.

KATU News has spoken with relatives of two of those missing girls - 16-year-old Jamie Grissim and 14-year-old Cherie Wyant. Police have not released the identity of the third missing girl.

The DNA from the three families in question is being sent to a special DNA lab in Texas. The results could take from two to four months to come back.

Although one of the missing girls may end up being identified as the girl whose remains were found 25 years ago, investigators are still keeping open the possibility that none of them match.

The girl in the sketch is described as white, with possibly Asian or Native American traits. She had enlarged neck muscles, indicating she was an athlete or laborer.

Investigators think she was killed between November of 1978 and April of 1979 and was between 15 and 16 years old at the time of her death.

annemc2
06-16-2005, 12:40 AM
Hey Anngelique - thanks for that update! I posted the other day about this case in the "cold cases" fourm - lots of people looked but no comments or discussion. It looks to me (my untrained and very tired eyes) like it could be either one, but I'm leaning towards the darker haired girl. I'll try and look them up later at Doenetwork or somewhere to find out the missing girls' stories. I hope one of these families, at least, finds some kind of answers from this new information.

annemc2
06-16-2005, 12:46 AM
Jamie Rochelle Grisim

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance
# Missing Since: December 7, 1971 from Vancouver, Washington
# Classification: Endangered Missing
# Date Of Birth: November 11, 1955
# Age: 16 years old
# Height and Weight: 5'4, 125 pounds
# Distinguishing Characteristics: Red hair, brown eyes. Grisim's hair was bleached blonde at the time of her disappearance. She wears eyeglasses for reading. Her ears are pierced and one of her teeth is missing. Grisim's last name is spelled "Grissim" by some agencies.

Details of Disappearance
Grisim was last seen on the morning of December 7, 1971, as she left her residence in the vicinity of the 5300 block of northeast 58th Street for the day's classes at Fort Vancouver High School in Vancouver, Washington. She was wearing blue hip-hugger jeans, a red and white striped blouse with a round neckline and puffed sleeves, white tennis shoes with drawings and the words "peace" and "love" written on them, and possibly a long brown corduroy coat and long, dangling earrings. She has never been heard from again. Grisim's purse, identification, and other possessions were found in May 1972, five months after her disappearance, in a wooded area alongside a road in the Dole Valley area of Northern Clark County, northeast of Vancouver.
Grisim is believed to be the first victim of a possible serial killer, who is thought to have raped and killed at least six young women in the Vancouver area. He was convicted of murdering one woman in 1978 and received a life sentence in prison. The bodies of five other women who are believed to be his victims have been recovered in rural Clark County, two of them not far from where Grisim's possessions were found.
The individual has not been charged in connection with Grisim's case, however, or in any of the other murders attributed to him. She remains missing and foul play is suspected in her case.


I was unable to find any information (just on a quick google search) on Cherie Wyant.

sassy_texasbelle2
06-16-2005, 12:47 AM
Hey Anngelique - thanks for that update! I posted the other day about this case in the "cold cases" fourm - lots of people looked but no comments or discussion. It looks to me (my untrained and very tired eyes) like it could be either one, but I'm leaning towards the darker haired girl. I'll try and look them up later at Doenetwork or somewhere to find out the missing girls' stories. I hope one of these families, at least, finds some kind of answers from this new information.
I agree the darker haired girl is really a good match. Unreal they can do these things now days.

KatherineQ
06-16-2005, 01:07 AM
We'd all KNOW if they'd just open the mouth of the composite and show her toothy smile.

Bla bla bla I sound like a broken record. Does anyone know, why they don't show the teeth on these composites, when that is really the only constant they have to deal with in recreating the image? When they find a skeleton, or a near skeleton, the only real constant anyone can recognize are the front teeth.

Open the mouths, and show the teeth. I really don't get it. I know I've become irritating in how many times I've remarked about this.

Why do these composites almost religiously have closed lips?

carolina
06-16-2005, 08:30 AM
jamie the lighter haired girl and the composite have the exact same eyes and similar face shapes too. they both look like good matches. i wonder who the other girl is whose family has come forward?

audrey77
06-16-2005, 09:46 AM
Why do these composites almost religiously have closed lips?

Many times, via the elements/ animals, teeth break off or take off... where they can't find them. Teeth are not always a constant- My mom may remember me with a missing tooth, yet I am remembered by most people with all of my teeth- or with different teeth missing. They don't want people to rule out a match based on teeth that are variable through life.

jodierenee
06-16-2005, 09:46 AM
i'm leaning towards the blonde. look at her neck...the article said the dead girl had enlarged neck muscles. The shape of the face and eyes match as well.

KatherineQ
06-16-2005, 09:49 AM
Many times, via the elements/ animals, teeth break off or take off... where they can't find them. Teeth are not always a constant- My mom may remember me with a missing tooth, yet I am remembered by most people with all of my teeth- or with different teeth missing. They don't want people to rule out a match based on teeth that are variable through life.

There are a lot of cases I see, though, where the body was intact and fairly recently deceased, and they cover the teeth. The thing is, that's the only thing that is FOR SURE - they have to guess at facial expression. Often they have to guess at hairstyle, type of makeup worn, etc., and they're willing to guess at those things as best they can, I just wish they'd show the teeth when there is no guesswork involved at all.

That would do it on this Jane Doe, she is or isn't one of the two people, and if we could see her teeth we'd know.

Auggie21
07-28-2006, 01:44 PM
Bumping this thread.

Does anyone know what happened with the DNA tests?

stormonster
07-28-2006, 04:19 PM
DNA tests rule out skull as that of missing woman (http://www.katu.com/stories/83460.html)

It's not Jamie Grissum.

englishleigh
07-28-2006, 08:23 PM
jamie the lighter haired girl and the composite have the exact same eyes and similar face shapes too. they both look like good matches. i wonder who the other girl is whose family has come forward?

I was going to say that Jamie looks the most like the composite, but it's not Jamie.

Trino
07-31-2006, 07:47 AM
When I read a story like this about a missing child's body found, I just cringe. While I hope there's a match to one of the concerned families, even if she's a runaway, how can a child not be identified for 25 years? Should there be a nationally funded organization dedicated solely to matching missing and located unidentified remains?

Sundayrain
07-31-2006, 09:03 AM
When I read a story like this about a missing child's body found, I just cringe. While I hope there's a match to one of the concerned families, even if she's a runaway, how can a child not be identified for 25 years? Should there be a nationally funded organization dedicated solely to matching missing and located unidentified remains? That is an interesting question. Its sad that we would need that in this country......but, anything to bring answers to families.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-02-2009, 11:11 PM
Bumping this thread, as it has now been 29 years since Clark County Jane Doe was found.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/427ufwa.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/427ufwa.html)


Jamie Grisim has been ruled out, but does anyone know about Cherie Wyant? I really like her as a possibility. Doe Network says she even spent time in a Clark County foster home. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1787dfca.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1787dfca.html)

Some more possibilities??

Cherry Greenman - Missing in WA, 1976 - Charley Project (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/greenman_cherry.html)
Tara Cossey - Missing in CA, 1979 - Charley Project (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cossey_tara.html)

beckaroozie
02-03-2009, 12:17 AM
Has anyone looked at this girl? It lists her age as 12 at disappearance, but her physical description would appear to be in line with 15-16 yo. Maybe she matured early? She's a runaway too. What do you think?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2641dfwa.html

believe09
02-03-2009, 08:52 AM
Should we move this thread to UID??

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-04-2009, 12:24 AM
Should we move this thread to UID??

I think UID would be a good place...

MadeaBecBec
02-04-2009, 03:18 AM
Here's Tara Cossey & UID, of course this pic of Tara is age progressed but it's so close... I wanted to show off my new posting abilities:crazy:

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-04-2009, 02:48 PM
Thanks Madea! I really think Tara Cossey looks a lot like our Doe, and that age progression just makes me think so even more. I also think Carlota Sanchez has a chance too. Here they are at the ages they disappeared. Tara on the left, Carlota on the right.

http://www.charleyproject.org/images/c/cossey_tara.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/427UFWA.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/s/sanchez_carlota.jpg

believe09
02-04-2009, 04:31 PM
Here's Tara Cossey & UID, of course this pic of Tara is age progressed but it's so close... I wanted to show off my new posting abilities:crazy:

Thanks Madea! I really think Tara Cossey looks a lot like our Doe, and that age progression just makes me think so even more. I also think Carlota Sanchez has a chance too. Here they are at the ages they disappeared. Tara on the left, Carlota on the right.

http://www.charleyproject.org/images/c/cossey_tara.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/427UFWA.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/s/sanchez_carlota.jpg

Oh my land-Tara Cossey is pretty close!!!! Nice find!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-04-2009, 04:40 PM
Should I make a call on Tara Cossey? Would that call go to the UID detective to see what comparrisons have already been made? Or to the PD in charge of Tara's case? What do I say?? haha, I've never actually made this kind of call before....

jules19osu
02-04-2009, 04:58 PM
Should I make a call on Tara Cossey? Would that call go to the UID detective to see what comparrisons have already been made? Or to the PD in charge of Tara's case? What do I say?? haha, I've never actually made this kind of call before....

I think they both look like GREAT possibilities. I would assume that Carlota has already been compared since she went missing from Washington. But you never know....

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-09-2009, 06:53 PM
I emailed Rocky at the Doe Network about both Tara and Carlota. I also asked if there was ever a ruling on Cherie Wyant. I'll post again when I hear back from him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-12-2009, 03:01 PM
Heard back from Rocky at the Doe Network this morning. Unfortunately, no answers either way.


Thank you for the inquiry.

I have no further information on these other than they have all been submitted to Law Enforcement.

Thanks again,
Rocky

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-02-2010, 09:14 PM
Bumping for Clark County Jane Doe. Found 30 years ago yesterday.

CarlK90245
01-01-2011, 12:49 PM
I was just looking through old NamUs no-photo cases, and came across the case file of Elsie Eldora Luscier of Tahola WA.

NamUs MP Case 7002 https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7002/362

When I saw that she was Native American in her early teens from Washington State and had a 1979 DLC, it reminded me of this Jane Doe.

There is no UP NamUs case for the Jane Doe, but I wonder if they have compared her to Elsie Luscier.

Here's the text of Jane Doe's DoeNet page.

The Doe Network:
Case File 427UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/427ufwa.html

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/45316/2957221400045078242S200x200Q85.jpg
Reconstruction of Victim by NCMEC

Unidentified Biracial / White Female

* The victim was discovered on February 1, 1980 in Clark County, Washington
* Partial Skeletal Remains
* Estimated Date of Death: between November of 1978 and April of 1979

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 15 - 16 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: Unknown
* Distinguishing Characteristics: She was white, with possibly Asian or Native traits. She had enlarged neck muscles, indicating she was an athlete or laborer.
* Dentals: Available
* DNA: Available

Case History

The victim was located in February 1980 in a wooded area of Clark County. A father and son were mining for gold along Fly Creek, just south of Healy Road, when they stumbled across the partial remains. At the time, detectives combed the area and investigated all the missing persons cases, but came up empty.

webrocket
04-04-2011, 08:33 PM
it is not everyday we find Native Americans in the missing persons databases to match with the Native American UIDs.

I went to look at Elsie's cousin Carlotta's Namus page and they have her missing from Apache County, Arizona:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7001/0/

unfortunately, both MP pages cannot be correct. if they disappeared together it had to have been from a common location, not one in WA and the other in AZ.

Donjeta
08-03-2011, 03:48 PM
Carlotta Sanchez's Namus page now says:
Adams County, Washington
12 year old native american female

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-03-2011, 03:59 PM
Both of the girls have their DNA available, according to NamUs. I think either/both should be considered, if they haven't already been checked.

Deeds
10-31-2011, 04:27 PM
Diane Lynn Buckley
Missing since April 17, 1979 from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: August 25, 1961
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Birthmark behind knee.

Circumstances of Disappearance
In 1979 Diane Buckley left her mothers home, never to be seen again.
She worked as a cook on a fish boat.

Despite an extensive investigation, she has never been located.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

Vancouver Police
604-717-2530
Email

Agency Case Number: 79-34624

Source Information:
Vancouver Police

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2439dfbc.html

CarlK90245
01-12-2012, 11:43 PM
I wonder if Andria Bailey has been ruled out against this Jane Doe:

Andria Ann Bailey

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2298212080045078242S425x425Q851_zpse8710fcb.jpghtt p://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/427UFWA.jpg

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5814/232

Andria's NamUs casefile was no-photo until recently.

* Age is good.
* Timeline is good.
* Resemblance is reasonable.
* Location is good.

She doesn't appear to have Native American ancestry, but I wouldn't rule-out based on that. It's not uncommon for Native Americans to not appear to be Native American.

CarlK90245
04-03-2013, 03:22 PM
I was just looking through old NamUs no-photo cases, and came across the case file of Elsie Eldora Luscier of Tahola WA.

NamUs MP Case 7002 https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7002/362

When I saw that she was Native American in her early teens from Washington State and had a 1979 DLC, it reminded me of this Jane Doe.

There is no UP NamUs case for the Jane Doe, but I wonder if they have compared her to Elsie Luscier.

Here's the text of Jane Doe's DoeNet page.

The Doe Network:
Case File 427UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/427ufwa.html

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/45316/2957221400045078242S200x200Q85.jpg
Reconstruction of Victim by NCMEC

Unidentified Biracial / White Female

* The victim was discovered on February 1, 1980 in Clark County, Washington
* Partial Skeletal Remains
* Estimated Date of Death: between November of 1978 and April of 1979

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 15 - 16 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: Unknown
* Distinguishing Characteristics: She was white, with possibly Asian or Native traits. She had enlarged neck muscles, indicating she was an athlete or laborer.
* Dentals: Available
* DNA: Available

Case History

The victim was located in February 1980 in a wooded area of Clark County. A father and son were mining for gold along Fly Creek, just south of Healy Road, when they stumbled across the partial remains. At the time, detectives combed the area and investigated all the missing persons cases, but came up empty.

NamUs finally came up with a photo of Elsie Luscier. Here she is side-by-side with this Jane Doe.

http://websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31530&stc=1&d=1365016908http://websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31531&stc=1&d=1365017242

CarlK90245
07-28-2013, 05:29 PM
This jane doe is now in NamUs

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10799