View Full Version : MD MD - Clinton - Black Female 198UFMD, 15-30, March 2000
Richard
06-17-2005, 04:18 PM
Unidentified Girl located March 25, 2000 in Clinton, MD
Unidentified Black Female
Located on March 25, 2000 in Clinton, Prince George's County, Maryland.
Cause of death: Blunt Force Trauma
Estimated date of death: February 25, 2000
State of Remains: Advanced Decomposition
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 15 - 30 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"; 128 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Black hair; brown eyes. She wore 12" hair extensions.
Dentals: No dental work
Clothing: "C.S." initials hand written on tag of clothing. T-Shirt with logo "1995 Special Olympics World Games, New Haven, CT, USA", a blue jeans jacket. Wearing plastic Tweety Bird wristwatch.
Case History
The victim was located on 11901 Brandywine Road, in a creek near Piscataway Creek Stream Valley Park, in Clinton, Maryland. She was unclothed from the waist down, and was possibly sexually assaulted.
The Doe Network: Case File 198UFMD
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Prince George's County Sheriff's Office 301-772-4925
Case Number: 00-085-804
Source Information: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
link:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198ufmd.html
Richard
06-18-2005, 09:48 AM
The 1995 Special Olympics, held in New Haven, CT had a large attendence of participants and spectators. There was still a website about them as recently as last year. The t-shirt that this girl was wearing might provide a significant clue, as well as the initials "C.S." found on an article of clothing.
The possibility that this girl may have been handicaped, either physically or mentally is aparent.
If a roster of participants or a list of special schools attending those '95 Games is still in existence, perhaps some new leads could be generated in this case.
Richard
12-13-2005, 11:45 AM
Does anyone have any theories or ideas concerning this unidentified girl? She is one of Maryland's unknowns. I wonder if the below Maryland John Doe case might be related in some way. Both victims suffered blows to the head, both were submerged in water, and both died about the same time in early 2000. The victims were located about 25 miles apart.
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Unidentified White Male
Located on April 13, 2000 in the area of Beaver Dam Creek on the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, Maryland.
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 30 - 55 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6'3"; over 200 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim is possibly mixed with Black. This was determined recently by another anthropologists' work.
Clothing: He was wearing a green, hooded zip-up sweatshirt, a brown, L.L. Bean winter coat, size XXL, Lee denim jeans 36X36 and brown Original Rugged Outback hiking shoes. A set of keys on a large safety pin and four $1.00 bills were also found in the clothing. One car key was determined to be the key to some type of Volkswagon Vehicle.
Photos of Victim's Possessions and Artist's rendition of face shown in below link.
Case History
At 5:30 PM on Thursday April 13, 2000, members of the United States Park Police responded to the area of Beaver Dam Creek on the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center for the report of a dead body. Upon arrival they discovered the decomposed body of an unidentified male in the water.
An initial determination by the State of Maryland Medical Examiner revealed that the body is believed to have been in the water for up to two months. Evidence of severe blunt force trauma to the head was discovered. Due to advanced decomposition, positive identification of the body was not possible.
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this man's identity, please contact:
United States Park Police
Criminal Investigations Branch
Detective Michael Horman
202-610-8759
or
United States Park Police Crime Tip Line
202-610-8737
All information may be submitted on an anonymous basis.
OCA Number: 200010092
NCIC Number: U-080001476
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Source:
The Doe Network: Case File 74UMMD
Link:
http://doenetwork.us/cases/74ummd.html
shadowangel
12-13-2005, 12:16 PM
My first thoughts on reading the girl's profile were that she may have lived in either a group home or some time of care home and just "slipped through the cracks".
I can't connect up the two murders in my mind...The man found may have fallen into the water from a height (fishing from a dam or outcropping?) struck an obstruction, and drowned. Its possible an abandoned vehicle may have been recovered in the area but never connected to this John Doe. Sounds as though he were dressed for an outdoor activity. Maybe he was ice fishing, fell through the ice (striking his head severely on the way down, or hitting something just after) and his equipment went with him?
docwho3
12-13-2005, 12:39 PM
Well unless he carried 2 sets of car keys he didn't arrive in the VW vehicle.
Why kill someone and steal the car but not take his keys? I suppose he could have been driving another vehicle & using a set of keys just for it and back home he had a second car- the VW and those keys were on the second key ring which was found in his clothes. But I am more inclined to think he simply was brought to the site by his killer/s. Since no wallet was reported as found on him I wonder if he had a wallet or not. I would expect him to have one if he had car keys as driving is supposed to require a drivers license (even though some people drive without one.)
As to the 2 cases being linked I think it bears looking into. They both died sometime in Feb/2000. It is possible he was taking care of the young lady more as a chaperone or guardian (the upper age for him was 55) than as a date and they were held up & the man was robbed and the girl raped and they were possibly taken to separate places and dumped.
Either way there do seem to be similarities in the way the deed was done was you pointed out.
We have really needed a national missing person DNA database for a long long time.
Does anyone have any theories or ideas concerning this unidentified girl? She is one of Maryland's unknowns. I wonder if the below Maryland John Doe case might be related in some way. Both victims suffered blows to the head, both were submerged in water, and both died about the same time in early 2000. The victims were located about 25 miles apart. . .
docwho3
12-13-2005, 01:55 PM
It is possible if she was menatally handicapped the family of the girl saw her pic in the paper but elected to keep quiet to continue drawing benefit checks.
Richard
12-13-2005, 05:41 PM
Both bodies were found in Prince George's County, Maryland. But in the case of the man, he was found on Federal land and therefore his case comes under the jurisdiction of the US Park Police. The girl's case belongs to the Prince Georges County Police department.
There certainly are some differences in the cases. The man seems to be dressed for the outdoors, while the girl is wearing clothing more suited to indoors in the month of February. The strongest link, however, seems to be the proximity in time and location, as well as the method of death and body disposal. I wonder if any DNA testing was done on the two. Perhaps they are related in some way, maybe brother and sister, or father and daughter. If they were living together and only had eachother, it might explain why nobody has reported either of them missing.
The main argument in my mind against the two cases being linked is that the man was a pretty big guy, and probably pretty imposing. While the murderer of this handicapped girl would have been a real low life coward. I find it hard to visualize him taking on someone the size of the Beltsville John Doe.
shadowangel
12-13-2005, 05:58 PM
The main argument in my mind against the two cases being linked is that the man was a pretty big guy, and probably pretty imposing. While the murderer of this handicapped girl would have been a real low life coward. I find it hard to visualize him taking on someone the size of the Beltsville John Doe.
That is an excellent point---I wonder where the John Doe's head trauma occured? If in the back of the head, it may be possible he was attacked from behind. The one and only thing that catches my attention, given that we agree the girl may have been mentally or physically handicapped...The John Doe having his keys on a large safety pin (so he didn't lose them?) and four dollar bills, as though someone had counted out exact bus fare for him. The VW key may mean nothing, possibly a momento.
Boatswain'sMate
12-13-2005, 06:33 PM
Another factor that could tie these together is that both sites are just one mile off the beltway around Washington DC.
reportertype
12-13-2005, 07:09 PM
I know it said the girl's body was in a state of advanced decomposition; does anyone have an idea of what kind of time frame we're looking at between the her death and when she was found?
Boatswain'sMate
12-13-2005, 07:24 PM
Sorry, my last post was incorrect.
Edited to correct mileage after putting in the street addresses.
The girl was found 8.3 miles off the beltway, and the man one half mile.
docwho3
12-13-2005, 09:32 PM
. . .The main argument in my mind against the two cases being linked is that the man was a pretty big guy, and probably pretty imposing. While the murderer of this handicapped girl would have been a real low life coward. I find it hard to visualize him taking on someone the size of the Beltsville John Doe.Well if you point a gun at someone and tell them to turn around or to kneel down but then you actually use a hammer to kill them it is probably much quieter than pulling the trigger. I remember serial killer jet duncan had a gun but used a hammer in the house of the last family he attacked.
Just a thought.
shadowangel
12-13-2005, 09:42 PM
I know it said the girl's body was in a state of advanced decomposition; does anyone have an idea of what kind of time frame we're looking at between the her death and when she was found?
The entry states date of death was a month before discovery (Feb 25 to Mar 25).
docwho3
12-13-2005, 10:02 PM
I know it said the girl's body was in a state of advanced decomposition; does anyone have an idea of what kind of time frame we're looking at between the her death and when she was found?
According to the doenetwork info posted:
The girls was found in March 25, 2000 and date of death was estimated as being February 25, 2000
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/198ufmd.html
The man was found April 13, 2000 but ". . .body is believed to have been in the water for up to two months." so that would place the date of death as estimated as possibly as early about Feb 13th. or as even as late as February 25, 2000 To my mind there is enough leeway in those estimates to see them as possibly having the same death date.
http://doenetwork.us/cases/74ummd.html
Richard
12-13-2005, 11:52 PM
According to the doenetwork info posted:
The girls was found in March 25, 2000 and date of death was estimated as being February 25, 2000
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/198ufmd.html
The man was found April 13, 2000 but ". . .body is believed to have been in the water for up to two months." so that would place the date of death as estimated as possibly as early about Feb 13th. or as even as late as February 25, 2000 To my mind there is enough leeway in those estimates to see them as possibly having the same death date.
http://doenetwork.us/cases/74ummd.html
I had looked at both cases separately in the past, but in looking at them again, more recently, I noticed the closeness of estimated death dates. This could be simply coincidence, but to see how rare this is, take a look at the Doenetwork website and do a search for Unidentified Cases. Next choose the search option which allows you to look at cases chronologically. Look at the dates and locations. If you find coincidences like same or close death date, there is usualy a large distance between them - Like one may be on the West Coast and one on the East Coast. In most cases of matching dates and localities, the cases are known or believed to be connected.
I wonder if there are any marks on the skulls which might show a matching weapon. I wonder if there are any other similar cases of the same time frame and locality where the victim was identified.
Richard
12-14-2005, 12:11 AM
...The one and only thing that catches my attention, given that we agree the girl may have been mentally or physically handicapped...The John Doe having his keys on a large safety pin (so he didn't lose them?) and four dollar bills, as though someone had counted out exact bus fare for him. The VW key may mean nothing, possibly a momento.
The large safety pin is something I recognize as the type of pin used aboard ship to close nylon mesh laundry bags. Each sailor puts his dirty laundry into a mesh laundry bag and secures it with a very large safety pin like the one shown. The whole bag goes through the washer and dryer and then back to the sailor to fold and stow his clothes. The pins are not sharp like other safety pins. I do not think that the pin would have been used to pin the keyring to his clothing, unless it was put through one of his belt loops.
Your implication that if the cases are connected, perhaps the man too was mentally handicapped? That is certainly a possibility.
There is an institute called Mellwood which is about midway between these two case sites. It is a training school and working program for adults with mental handicaps. They assist the students with living arrangements sometimes, although many live at home with their families. The school has vans and busses to transport students to work sites where they might do cleaning work or even work in fast food restaurants. I would think, however, that if either of these two were enrolled at such a school, that someone would immediately notice their absence and begin looking for them.
I have a feeling that somewhere there exists a list of people who registered for events and lodging, etc. in CT for the 1995 Special Olympics. This girl's name quite possibly be on such a list.
Although the girl's description has her as being between 15 and 30, I feel that her clothing, watch, hair braids, etc indicate that she is in the lower range of that estimated age.
reportertype
12-14-2005, 03:28 PM
Thanks guys. I read over that info three or four times and just didn't see the est. death date. You should see me look for keys!
If that's a coincidence, it's an awfully big one.
marylandmissing
12-14-2005, 06:11 PM
Some bits about John Doe...I went to this scene twice...The guy was strangled with barb wire - which tends to be a sexual sadist crime...Where he was found was about a mile off the road, back in a creek. There were no drag marks, or any type of weapons or any evidence of a murder found anywhere nearby. (But there was some time period between when he was killed and found). The barbwire that runs along the fence was at least a mile away from where he was found, and no broken pieces were found anywhere along the fence, so the barbwire he was attacked with was not cut from there...
There's speculation this might have been a gay lover type murder. The method of killing suggested a personal relationship with the killer, and barbwire suggests some sort of sexual overtone to the killing. To drag a body off the roadway down to the creek would have taken a lot of effort. Most likely he may have gone back into the woods with someone for some purpose, and then been killed and dumped.
A few miles away from this scene is an adult video store that shows extreme violence...
docwho3
12-14-2005, 07:07 PM
Edited to strike:You sound as if you were L.E. investigating. Were you?
I ask because I am wanting to understand the significance of the info you just posted that was not in the linked doenetwork report. Barbed wire strangulation is different than blunt trauma to the head, unless both were indicated but not both publicly reported.
Edited to add: Up until now I had not run a search to see what other info was available on this case. I see now that other info was indeed available.
I encourage readers to view:scroll down or do a "find" on the date "April 13, 2000":
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2002/may2002/may2002.htm
I will later post more info as and when I find it. Thankyou to the person that posted about the barbed wire drawing my attention to the need to search for more info.
Some bits about John Doe...I went to this scene twice...The guy was strangled with barb wire - which tends to be a sexual sadist crime...Where he was found was about a mile off the road, back in a creek. There were no drag marks, or any type of weapons or any evidence of a murder found anywhere nearby. (But there was some time period between when he was killed and found). The barbwire that runs along the fence was at least a mile away from where he was found, and no broken pieces were found anywhere along the fence, so the barbwire he was attacked with was not cut from there...
There's speculation this might have been a gay lover type murder. The method of killing suggested a personal relationship with the killer, and barbwire suggests some sort of sexual overtone to the killing. To drag a body off the roadway down to the creek would have taken a lot of effort. Most likely he may have gone back into the woods with someone for some purpose, and then been killed and dumped.
A few miles away from this scene is an adult video store that shows extreme violence...
shadowangel
12-14-2005, 08:44 PM
I have to agree, that seems quite the discrepancy. Hate to see the person who could subdue and carry this guy....
Richard
12-14-2005, 10:13 PM
I think that it would have taken at least two pretty strong guys to subdue this 6 Foot 3 Inch tall, 200 pound plus guy. I find it difficult to believe that he was actually strangled and killed with barbed wire. I am not disputing that barbed wire was found with him, but it just does not seem like a very efficient way to kill a large man. Having handled a lot of Barbed wire, I can say that it is very stiff, and you would get your hands all cut up trying to garrotte someone with it. Was there any blood from the killer found on the wire? Perhaps he was killed or subdued first with a blow to the head, and then the wire applied.
It sounds like a particularly gruesome death with a lot of hatred behind it - not necessarily sexual violence, but certainly a "hate" crime.
Could someone capable of such a murder also be so uncaring as to rape and murder a handicapped girl? I think so. Doesn't prove anything, of course, but I just have a gut feeling that the two murders are connected.
docwho3
12-15-2005, 08:47 AM
Here is a website with info and better pics of the john Doe:
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/FoundHumanRemains.htm
Better pic of the jacket
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/Windbreakerbrandjacket.htm
Better pic of shirt
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/MacGregorBrandShirt.htm
belt design pic
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/Designofbelt.htm
Edited to strike
Richard
12-15-2005, 02:37 PM
Here is a website with info and better pics of the john Doe:
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/FoundHumanRemains.htm
Better pic of the jacket
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/Windbreakerbrandjacket.htm
Better pic of shirt
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/MacGregorBrandShirt.htm
belt design pic
http://www.orcity.org/police/News/Designofbelt.htm
An interesting case, but the John Doe mentioned previously was found in 2000 in Beltsville, Maryland. The links are to a different man found in Oregon.
shadowangel
12-15-2005, 03:05 PM
Once again, I agree with Richard, it would be very difficult to strangle someone with barbed wire, more likely the wire had been placed around the neck after the victim was subdued or dead. Also, depending on how tightly the strands were around the neck, and how many strands, the victim may have picked up the wire while floating around the lake for two months.
docwho3
12-15-2005, 04:08 PM
An interesting case, but the John Doe mentioned previously was found in 2000 in Beltsville, Maryland. The links are to a different man found in Oregon.ooops Thats what I get for being in a hurry. I hope thats the worst mistake I make for awhile.
marylandmissing
12-15-2005, 06:09 PM
I think that it would have taken at least two pretty strong guys to subdue this 6 Foot 3 Inch tall, 200 pound plus guy. I find it difficult to believe that he was actually strangled and killed with barbed wire. I am not disputing that barbed wire was found with him, but it just does not seem like a very efficient way to kill a large man. Having handled a lot of Barbed wire, I can say that it is very stiff, and you would get your hands all cut up trying to garrotte someone with it. Was there any blood from the killer found on the wire? Perhaps he was killed or subdued first with a blow to the head, and then the wire applied.
It sounds like a particularly gruesome death with a lot of hatred behind it - not necessarily sexual violence, but certainly a "hate" crime.
Could someone capable of such a murder also be so uncaring as to rape and murder a handicapped girl? I think so. Doesn't prove anything, of course, but I just have a gut feeling that the two murders are connected.
I don't believe he was killed with the wire (blunt force trauma is cod), but he had been strangled with it...It was cut into his neck and had been jerked around if I recall what the detective said.
docwho3
12-18-2005, 06:33 PM
I have seen very little of the bodage world in pics but the only pics I have seen so far show the barbed wire as a sort of long strap arrangement usually tied to the "slave" either at the hands or neck. But those pics showed a wall to attach the strap to. This makes it seem, to my inexperienced eyes, like more than an outdoor quickie of some kind. So I am wondering how this barbed wire thing would have worked outdoors?
If tied to a tree wouldn't there be a tree marked up somewhere?
Richard
12-19-2005, 10:50 AM
The 1995 Special Olympics, held in New Haven, CT had a large attendence of participants and spectators. There was still a website about them as recently as last year. The t-shirt that this girl was wearing might provide a significant clue, as well as the initials "C.S." found on an article of clothing.
The possibility that this girl may have been handicaped, either physically or mentally is aparent.
If a roster of participants or a list of special schools attending those '95 Games is still in existence, perhaps some new leads could be generated in this case.
I once found a website for the 1995 Special Olympics, but did not find any kind of participant list. I wonder where one might look for such a list? Any ideas?
If such a list were located, names with the initials C.S. could be checked out and maybe some information about this girl could be obtained.
shadowangel
12-19-2005, 11:05 AM
The sponsoring committee for the competition (New Haven) would have records, as all participants get recognition.
I have worked with the Special Olympics in years past, and the organizers truly are wonderful people who, once told why you are seeking the information, will go out of their way to assist I'm sure.
Keys again! :rolleyes:
I noticed on the Safety Pin key ring that there were also 2 keys that appeared to be keys for a soda machine or laundry mat machine, etc... (just two examples). This immediately made me think two things...
1. He was mentally handicapped and someone gave him the keys to carry around for enjoyment (some handicapped people are just naturally fascinated by keys).
2. He was a drifter and looted machines to get money.
After reading the info about the barbed wire I am leaning toward the two cases not being connected.
shadowangel
12-19-2005, 12:36 PM
Keys again! :rolleyes:
I noticed on the Safety Pin key ring that there were also 2 keys that appeared to be keys for a soda machine or laundry mat machine, etc... (just two examples).
Good catch! I didn't even notice that when I looked the first time. There appear to be two barrel keys, most likely for smaller vending machines or bill changers. Larger soda machine keys tend to have a slightly different shape.
Richard
12-19-2005, 01:11 PM
Keys again! :rolleyes:
I noticed on the Safety Pin key ring that there were also 2 keys that appeared to be keys for a soda machine or laundry mat machine, etc... (just two examples). This immediately made me think two things...
1. He was mentally handicapped and someone gave him the keys to carry around for enjoyment (some handicapped people are just naturally fascinated by keys).
2. He was a drifter and looted machines to get money.
After reading the info about the barbed wire I am leaning toward the two cases not being connected.
I am not sure which keys you refer to, but the barrel type key on lower right is similar to one that I have for a bicycle lock similar to "the club" for cars.
There is a long key with a very thin blade. This looks like possibly a key used to pick locks, but I am not certain. I wish that the pictures of keys were a little more clear.
Here is another link to that case:
http://doenetwork.us/cases/74ummd.html
Richard
12-19-2005, 01:14 PM
The sponsoring committee for the competition (New Haven) would have records, as all participants get recognition.
I have worked with the Special Olympics in years past, and the organizers truly are wonderful people who, once told why you are seeking the information, will go out of their way to assist I'm sure.
In the past, I tried to contact the Special Olympics committee and also the University in Connecticut where the 1995 games were held, but got no responses. I just sent an e-mail to the events coordinator for the 2006 games in New York, and asked for some assistance. Let's hope if he can't help, he will know who can.
shadowangel
12-19-2005, 01:39 PM
I may still have a contact, I'll see what I can do.
Most vending machines, and novelty machines, use barrel keys very similar to the one on the ring. I have several of these of varying sizes for the various machines used in our family business.
Richard
04-20-2006, 04:56 PM
In the past, I tried to contact the Special Olympics committee and also the University in Connecticut where the 1995 games were held, but got no responses. I just sent an e-mail to the events coordinator for the 2006 games in New York, and asked for some assistance. Let's hope if he can't help, he will know who can.
Never heard back from him or anyone else regarding this. Someone, somewhere must know who this girl is. Any ideas?
marylandmissing
04-24-2006, 03:06 PM
Never heard back from him or anyone else regarding this. Someone, somewhere must know who this girl is. Any ideas?
I know when she was first found, they strongly suspected she was a missing woman in the area. Perry was the girl's last name, but she was found elsewhere murdered by her boyfriend.
I have always wondered if she wasn't a victim of a pimp. I seem to recall a couple prostitutes were found dead in creek banks in that area.
Bluecat
04-25-2006, 12:08 PM
I suspect, rather than being a gay-bashing crime, or something to that effect, that the Beltsville body was a dump job. The Route 1 corridor there in College Park/Beltsville is a pretty rough area. Could have been a mugging gone wrong, or drug related.
Richard
03-08-2007, 10:57 PM
This month marks the seventh year since this girl was found. She has yet to be identified.
laini
03-09-2007, 01:37 PM
I have a question. Is the only indication that this Jane Doe was handicapped the shirt she was wearing and the fact that the Special Olympics was held nearby? It certainly could be the case.
BUT, maybe she volunteered at the event, or picked up the shirt some other way. Shirts from events turn up at Goodwill and Salvation Armys or donated clothes all the time. If she was homeless or at a shelter at some time, she could have gotten a donated shirt. I just wondered if she had any physical charcteristics that lead investigators to believe she was handicapped.
Richard
03-12-2007, 02:45 PM
I have a question. Is the only indication that this Jane Doe was handicapped the shirt she was wearing and the fact that the Special Olympics was held nearby? It certainly could be the case.
BUT, maybe she volunteered at the event, or picked up the shirt some other way. Shirts from events turn up at Goodwill and Salvation Armys or donated clothes all the time. If she was homeless or at a shelter at some time, she could have gotten a donated shirt. I just wondered if she had any physical charcteristics that lead investigators to believe she was handicapped.
You make very good observations concerning the shirt. You are absolutely correct to state that it could have come from a shelter or thrift shop. Or that she may have been a volunteer or family member of a participant in the games.
I do not know of any other indications or physical evidence which police may have on this case which would point to either physical or mental handicaps. I based my earlier remarks about that possibility solely on the fact that she was wearing the 1995 Special Olympics tee shirt.
Connecticut is not very close to Clinton, Maryland. It would be a long drive to get to those Olympic Games - but there were a lot of participants and their families from Maryland who attended them.
The answers are out there. Whether or not this girl was handicapped, someone might remember her wearing that shirt, and perhaps the initials C.S. will also prove a valuable clue.
laini
03-12-2007, 03:03 PM
Thanks, Richard.
I was thinking about this because I wondered if we should be looking for a missing person with disabilities, or should look at all missing women/girls. The initials in the collar does seem to point more towards someone with disabilities.
babydust2004
04-29-2007, 02:38 AM
what does anyone think about these being a match?the missing girl was known to wear hair extensions,the height matches but not the weight,and the race is different but the mouths look similar to me on both.
UID: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198ufmd.html
MP: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hiraman_deniese.html
what does anyone think about these being a match?the missing girl was known to wear hair extensions,the height matches but not the weight,and the race is different but the mouths look similar to me on both.
UID: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198ufmd.html
MP: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hiraman_deniese.html
I think it is a long shot but it couldn't hurt to send in the tip.
mjak
KarlK
04-29-2007, 06:06 PM
The John Doe having his keys on a large safety pin (so he didn't lose them?) and four dollar bills, as though someone had counted out exact bus fare for him. The VW key may mean nothing, possibly a momento.
The man appears to have been more than a casual outdoorsman, LL Bean jackets are relatively expensive and favor function over fashion, usually not worn for style unless one enjoys passing for a lumberjack. Hunters often wear them but hunting in a national park is usually not allowed and this man's shoes hint at hiking rather than hunting or fishing.
In the absence of criminal evidence I'd say chances are he is an accident victim. As for his car it may have been stolen from the parking lot where he had left it, national parks are prime hunting grounds for auto thieves because cars are often left unattended in remote parking lots for long periods of time by hikers and surveillance is sporadic.
Debbie Miller
05-16-2007, 10:53 PM
Some bits about John Doe...I went to this scene twice...The guy was strangled with barb wire - which tends to be a sexual sadist crime...Where he was found was about a mile off the road, back in a creek. There were no drag marks, or any type of weapons or any evidence of a murder found anywhere nearby. (But there was some time period between when he was killed and found). The barbwire that runs along the fence was at least a mile away from where he was found, and no broken pieces were found anywhere along the fence, so the barbwire he was attacked with was not cut from there.....
The agricultural farms can be accessed from Old Greenbelt . Along one of the main roads (Ridge Rd) thru part of old greenbelt are a lot of side roads that dead end to woods. You can enter any of these deadends on the side streets on foot and get to the farms. One of the roads (Research Rd) was the main road into the farms. I can't remember if Research rd turned into dirt right after the townhomes or if it was a deadend. But in the early to mid 80's they paved a road from either what was dirt or deadend leading to the agricultural farms.
I walked from old greenbelt to an area of beaver dam rd through the woods. Where the agricultural land starts there was a barb wire fence and you weren't suppose to be on that property, but being a teen we disobeyed and entered anyway.
There is also a party site, not sure if it still is active but you would go to the dead end of Northway Rd. It use to be a ball field and then I remember it being called (The Dump) all the locals would gather there on Friday and Saturday night with a Keg. The greenbelt police knew the place and if they ever wanted to find anyone they could usually find them there. They would patrol down there just to make sure no trouble was brewing. The BW parkway was just a walk away, not far from the site. It may be useful for the state police to circulate this man's photo in the old greenbelt area if they haven't already.
Richard
03-19-2008, 07:37 PM
Bumping case up.
It has been eight years now since this poor girl's body was found. She remains unidentified and her killer has not yet been caught.
outofthedark
03-19-2008, 08:02 PM
Good catch! I didn't even notice that when I looked the first time. There appear to be two barrel keys, most likely for smaller vending machines or bill changers. Larger soda machine keys tend to have a slightly different shape.
Maybe the guy worked a job involving vending machines (either at a school or elsewhere) where he had to restock them with snacks. My school has people who do this with students who volunteer during class times
Richard
03-29-2010, 09:36 PM
This young lady's body was found ten years ago. She remains unidentified.
Note that the link below has been updated with a much better artist's conception of what she may have looked like when living.
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Unidentified Black Female
Located on March 25, 2000 in Clinton, Prince George's County, Maryland.
Cause of death: Blunt Force Trauma
Estimated date of death: February 2000
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 15-30 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"; 128 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Black hair; brown eyes. She wore black, 12" hair extensions. Purple fingernail polish.
Dentals: No dental work. Mandible was not recovered.
Clothing: A white or beige undershirt with spaghetti straps and the initials "CS" handwritten on the tag; a white "TeenForm" sports bra, size 34; a plain black, long-sleeve, "Hanes" pullover, with "Beefy=T" on the tag and collar size 38-40. A white or beige T-shirt with the logo "1995 Special Olympics World Games, New Haven, CT, USA" on the front. A medium blue, waist length jean jacket, with "GAP" tag on the collar. A plastic wristwatch with "Tweety Bird" on the face and a multicolored (red/blue/green/yellow) plastic band.
Case History
The victim was located at 11901 Brandywine Road, in a creek near Piscataway Creek Stream Valley Park, in Clinton, Maryland. She was unclothed from the waist down, and was possibly sexually assaulted.
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Prince George's County Sheriff's Office
301-772-4925
Case Number: 00-085-804; 00-1694-033
NCMEC #:USMD000850804
Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
Washington Post 3/28/2000
Washington Post 7/6/2001
NamUs
The Doe Network: Case File 198UFMD
LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198ufmd.html
shadowangel
03-30-2010, 11:47 AM
This October, 1994 article from the Baltimore Sun lists the 52 participants from MD who were slated to compete in the '95 World Games in New Haven:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-10-05/sports/1994278123_1_aquatics-track-and-field-sailing
No one with the initials "CS" that I could see.
nerosleuth
03-30-2010, 09:15 PM
This October, 1994 article from the Baltimore Sun lists the 52 participants from MD who were slated to compete in the '95 World Games in New Haven:
No one with the initials "CS" that I could see.
It could be possible that the unidentified girl came from another state close to Maryland.
Just an out of the box thought here. Could the initials "CS" be the initials of a special school or group home that the victim went to?
Richard
07-20-2010, 09:26 AM
Bumping case up.
Donjeta
08-01-2011, 07:07 AM
https://identifyus.org/cases/2657
No exclusions listed.
Says a DNA sample is available but hasn't been submitted.
Richard
01-26-2012, 10:29 PM
Unidentified Black Female
Located on March 25, 2000 in Clinton, Prince George's County, Maryland.
Cause of death: Blunt Force Trauma
Estimated date of death: February 2000
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 15-30 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"; 128 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Black hair; brown eyes. She wore black, 12" hair extensions. Purple fingernail polish.
Dentals: No dental work. Mandible was not recovered.
Clothing: A white or beige undershirt with spaghetti straps and the initials "CS" handwritten on the tag; a white "TeenForm" sports bra, size 34; a plain black, long-sleeve, "Hanes" pullover, with "Beefy=T" on the tag and collar size 38-40. A white or beige T-shirt with the logo "1995 Special Olympics World Games, New Haven, CT, USA" on the front. A medium blue, waist length jean jacket, with "GAP" tag on the collar. A plastic wristwatch with "Tweety Bird" on the face and a multicolored (red/blue/green/yellow) plastic band.
Case History
The victim was located at 11901 Brandywine Road, in a creek near Piscataway Creek Stream Valley Park, in Clinton, Maryland. She was unclothed from the waist down, and was possibly sexually assaulted.
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Prince George's County Sheriff's Office
301-772-4925
Case Number: 00-085-804; 00-1694-033
NCMEC #:USMD000850804
Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=000850804&orgPrefix=USMD&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)
Washington Post 3/28/2000
Washington Post 7/6/2001
NamUs (https://identifyus.org/?p=case&i=2657&pos=25&s=DateFound_DESC&from=search)
The Doe Network: Case File 198UFMD
webrocket
07-24-2012, 04:58 PM
the namus profile now says DNA is in CODIS but they don't specify which type. no rule outs are listed.
they now list her age range as being 13-30.
https://identifyus.org/cases/2657
MissSunshine
08-11-2012, 07:37 PM
As I was looking at this case, I noticed that another woman was found on the same day in a body of water in a wooded area near Andrews Air Force Base. That is the same description of the place the Cinton Jane Doe. The locations are about 10 miles apart. I am wondering if they are connected.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/5882
Richard
09-19-2012, 12:17 AM
As I was looking at this case, I noticed that another woman was found on the same day in a body of water in a wooded area near Andrews Air Force Base. That is the same description of the place the Cinton Jane Doe. The locations are about 10 miles apart. I am wondering if they are connected.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/5882
This is a very strange coincidence if there were actually two decomposed bodies discovered on the same day in close proximity.
My first impression was that both cases were the same, as some bits of information is identical. Both were black women, both found in water, mandible missing, although most other body parts intact.
But there are some distinct differences as well. Recovered clothing not the same. One had only upper body clothing, while the other had only lower body clothing.
Oxon Hill, Andrews AFB, and Clinton are all distinctly different and separate places, but all are pretty close.
I have always felt that the Clinton Jane Doe was young - like a teenager or early 20's, and I wondered why her mother was not looking for her or reporting her missing. Now I wonder if the second body might have been related to her - her mother, aunt, or grandmother?
There is some indication that the Clinton girl might have been in Special Olympics. It is possible then that she had an adult caregiver who would have been responsible for her. Is it possible that her caregiver was also murdered?
I could not find this other unidentified woman listed in Doenetwork.
LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198ufmd.html
carbuff
09-19-2012, 01:15 AM
A couple of comments:
An adult woman would not likely wear a TeenForm brand bra. That alone makes me guess she's only about 15-16, possibly younger.
The man's keys -- another thing those barrel key locks are used for is locking computer cabinets, especially the older tower-style minicomputer cabinets or larger PC cabinets.
carbuff
09-19-2012, 02:14 PM
She is listed on the Connecticut Unsolved Mysteries web site: http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/unsolvedct/unidentified.html and scroll down until you see the earlier reconstruction.
Richard
12-31-2012, 08:37 AM
Bumping case up.
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