View Full Version : Brennan Hawkins, boyscout missing in Utah.
Jovin
06-18-2005, 08:26 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/
englishleigh
06-18-2005, 09:17 PM
Scary that it is the same area as Garrett Beardsley, from last summer....he was never found, was he? What is going on in that area??
Prayers for this child, I have a daughter the same age.
Sassygerl
06-18-2005, 09:31 PM
This is so sad!!!!! They've got to find this little boy. The Garrett Bardsley story haunted me......
My prayers are with him and his family....I'm praying they find him soon and safe!!!!
Jovin
06-18-2005, 10:01 PM
Yes, they said it's ten miles away from where the other little boy went missing, and no......he was never found. What Hell for both sets of parents!
I'm sure the parents of this latest missing boy are well aware of THAT case, and fearing this outcome might be the same....God forbid!
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Casshew
06-18-2005, 11:28 PM
This is so upsetting, you think they would leard from Garrett's case to buddy up so that no other child will get lost:(
Prayers for this boy, does anyone know the night tempertures etc...?
I can't believe this is happening again.
Jovin
06-18-2005, 11:55 PM
it dropped to 55 degrees I think last night and he's only got shorts on, but he's wearing a sweat shirt they said.
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Sassygerl
06-18-2005, 11:58 PM
This is so upsetting, you think they would leard from Garrett's case to buddy up so that no other child will get lost:(
Prayers for this boy, does anyone know the night tempertures etc...?
I can't believe this is happening again.
Cass....it was 55 degrees last night...so there's hope this little guy can be found. I picked my lovies up from camp today...what a nightmare to hear your child has gone missing on a hike. It's so sad....these stories really bother me :(
blueclouds
06-19-2005, 03:27 AM
I am outraged that this is not huge national news. An 11 year old boy scout is missing JUST A FEW MILES from where Garett Bardsley went missing just A YEAR PRIOR.....
WHY ISN'T THERE MORE PANIC & OUTRAGE???????
Brennan Hawkins MISSING!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-missing-scout,1,2341453.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines&ctrack=2&cset=true
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2811070
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600142671,00.html
CaliKid
06-19-2005, 06:21 AM
It certainly sounds like this isn't a "child missing in the woods" kind of thing. Two boys the same age disappearing from almost the exact location isn't coincidence.
Jovin
06-19-2005, 11:23 AM
Dear God! What a horrible nightmare for any parent. I felt so sorry for both of the fathers when they showed them on tv last night hugging. The man whose son was never found, he was so broken up he couldn't even talk...and this is almost one year after no sign of HIS son!
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I hope they find Brennan soon, these cases make you just want to put your children on a leash. He should not been allowed to roam off on his own.
Sassygerl
06-19-2005, 11:53 AM
It certainly sounds like this isn't a "child missing in the woods" kind of thing. Two boys the same age disappearing from almost the exact location isn't coincidence.
I think they disappeared 10 miles from each other. I think it is possible in the dense woods there that both got lost. Kids in those heavily wooded areas should wear some type of GPS tracking device of some kind...necklace or something that they can activate if lost. I am praying they find this little boy soon!!!
Casshew
06-19-2005, 12:26 PM
My daughter is the same age... I just can imagine how the parents feel.
I think he is just lost ~ but it makes you think. I guess there is always a chance a preditor can stalk a boy scout troop. You can't be too careful.
Beyond Belief
06-19-2005, 12:34 PM
Our hopes and prayers are with this young man at this time. Walkie Talkies are inexpensive and should be carried by all young campers.
mysteriew
06-19-2005, 05:02 PM
I guess there is always a chance a preditor can stalk a boy scout troop. You can't be too careful.
Cass, I thought I had been on the board too long. My first thought about this boy and the other missing boy was that a boy scout camp would be an ideal tartget for predator pedofile.
luthersmama
06-19-2005, 06:32 PM
Two women (mother and adult daughter) disappeared in the Uintas in 2003. THeir remains were recently found. THey just got disoriented and died of hypothermia.
The two boys disappeared 15 miles apart.
Sounds like it is just a bad place to get separated from your group.
Sassygerl
06-19-2005, 07:53 PM
Has anyone heard if he had a backpack? Did he have water with him?
Shadow205
06-19-2005, 08:11 PM
Two women (mother and adult daughter) disappeared in the Uintas in 2003. THeir remains were recently found. THey just got disoriented and died of hypothermia.
The two boys disappeared 15 miles apart.
Sounds like it is just a bad place to get separated from your group.
It sounds to me like they should quit taking boyscouts to that area if it turns out that these two did get lost. Personally I think that someone is responsible for their disappearance.
mysteriew
06-19-2005, 09:19 PM
The Summitt County, Utah, sheriff said the search for an 11-year-old Boy Scout is being treated as a possible kidnapping, and as a missing-person case.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4626683/detail.html
KatherineQ
06-19-2005, 09:37 PM
I think they have to be open to the possibility he was kidnapped.
They were searching for him within an hour of the last time he was seen - it would be hard to wander off and get COMPLETELY lost in one hour, in the middle of a scout camp, and just vanish. Worst come to worst, you'd just go toward the noise of the other scouts and ask for directions if you got so lost.
Casshew
06-19-2005, 09:48 PM
Even shouting your voice can be heard for a long distance.... especially at night, a little chipmunk in the brush sounds like a herd of elephants... you can climb a tree and call out - the voice would carry a great distance.
This is a terrible situation
KatherineQ
06-19-2005, 09:53 PM
Man those two boys look alike.
I bet by now they've cross referenced to figure out which counselors, boys and leaders were at this camp, and the camp Garrett went to. In such a small area, there must be some cross-over of people who attended both camps.
If this camp is typical, they play TAPS with a bugle and lower the flag at 6 p.m. That boy would have known what direction to head within 1/2 hour of when he was missing.
KatherineQ
06-19-2005, 10:09 PM
Some of this story is unclear.
What connection did this boy have to the Scout Camp? He himself is a scout, but was not in the troop staying there, he was staying with his friend's family apparently, who were camped at the "River Bottom Campsite". Yet, when Brennan disappeared, they said he would have been heading AWAY from the river.
Wasn't he staying with the family near the river? Is it just called River Bottom Campsite, just a name, it's not near the river?
It sounds to me, like if he was headed in the right direction at 5:30, he'd be headed straight toward the river.
???
ThoughtFox
06-19-2005, 10:22 PM
I just saw this story and got a very bad feeling from it. I know parents want their children to have outdoorsy experiences, but my gosh! If a boy disappeared just 15 miles from there, why weren't there any parents watching these boys? Why were they walking around unsupervised?
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=213235&nid=5
. . . A climbing-wall supervisor said he saw the boy about 5:30 p.m. struggling to remove climbing gear. At the same time, he saw the boy's friend walking down a dirt road toward the family's river-bottom campsite about 200 yards away. The supervisor looked away and then looked back, but didn't see either boy, Summit County Sheriff's chief deputy and search and rescue coordinator Dave Booth said.
. . . Hawkins is a Boy Scout, but was not camping with his troop Friday, his mother, Jody Hawkins said. He was a guest of his climbing partner, who father is a volunteer leader an annual large trip for Varsity Scouts, ages 16 and 17.
Sheriff Dave Edminds, Summit County Sherrif’s Office: “You know, his dad’s out here looking for his son, I can’t think of a worse Father’s Day scenario.”
:(
KatherineQ
06-19-2005, 10:30 PM
It's a camp, ThoughtFox. The boys at that age go to their merit badge activities within the camp, and meet back at their individual troop's area for group events. Usually they have a "buddy" with them, but in both of these situations, the "buddy" system failed - in Garrett's case, he fell in the river and ran back to the site to change. In Brennan's case, I guess his buddy got impatient waiting for him to take off the wall climbing gear.
Scouts are expected to be somewhat independent, and they don't each have a parent attending with them, I think the ratio is like, 1 adult to 6 boys, and adults are not allowed to be alone with boys, unless the boy is their own son.
KatherineQ
06-19-2005, 10:53 PM
I've read 4 or 5 articles on the net - I think there's something that's not being said clearly in these articles. Is he mentally/emotionally impaired in some way? I wonder if he's just completely in shock, scared, hunkered down and not moving.
He's been described as "struggling" with equipment, "very temperamental about the cold", "never been away from his family", "doesn't have a good sense of direction" . . . his family was worried about how he'd do away from parents on this campout with his friend.
Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's a hopeful sign, though, that he's just sort of "shut down" and he's out there somewhere waiting to be rescued.
I agree. From reading the articles on Brennan and looking at the findgarret.org website, there are a number of similarities:
1. Age--Brennan is 11, Garrett was 12 when he disappeared
2. Appearance--both with sandy blond hair
3. Location--disappeared within 15 miles of each other, both off of U-150 and both out of the Uintas mountains
4. Both were camping with boy scout troops
5. Both were Mormons
6. Time--both disappeared during the summer months
7. Both had been separated from the rest of the troop when they disappeared
Could be coincidence but it seems pretty suspicious, especially to a conspiracy theorist like myself. :confused:
Sassygerl
06-20-2005, 12:42 AM
I am praying they find this little guy alive. The main difference between this story and Garrett's (assuming they both got lost) is that on the first night Garrett was missing the temperature dropped below 20 degrees and it was snowing and sleeting. Thankfully, right now the weather at night has been in the 50's...the question is, does he have or has he found water?
This makes me so sad....I am just hoping for a miracle. Are they not using infrared with the choppers?
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 01:21 AM
They are using infrared, Sassy.
The thing with Garrett, is they never found his body. Ever. I get that they didn't find that boy alive, the temperatures were against him. But to NEVER have found him . ..
And now, right there, in another scout camp, an identical looking boy has vaporized in the blink of an eye.
Prayers for Brennan. This coincidence is haunting.
gardenmom
06-20-2005, 02:01 AM
This scares me so much. My son is 10 and is going to Twilight camp next week, and residential camp, where they camp out all night for several days in July. My husband and I are both volunteering for each camp, me and hubby for Twilight and hubby for overnighters. I had to go to training where the buddy system is emphisized strongly. I also told my son about Garrett when it happened and I told him if he is lost to stay put. I told him that if he stays put we will find him, but if he wanders off he may never be found. Scary for one so young, but true. I am going out TOMORROW before camp starts and buying each of our den whistles to put on their belt loops.
I pray they find this child alive and soon.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 02:20 AM
Gardenmom - I don't think there have ever been boys missing, in recent history, from scout camps except these two identical looking boys missing right there at that location.
After Garrett went missing last year, I bought my den of cub scouts whistles. Actually, I've had three dens of cub scouts, all three of my boy's dens, and I've given them ALL whistles and instructed them what to do when they first realize they are missing.
Something is going on right there, that's causing these two boys to be missing, where no where else in the country in recent history scouts have been missing.
Prayers for this boy. I think he's met the same fate as Garrett.
And Gardenmom, your boy will have a GREAT time at Scout camp, as thousands of boys do every year.
ThoughtFox
06-20-2005, 02:45 AM
It's a camp, ThoughtFox. The boys at that age go to their merit badge activities within the camp, and meet back at their individual troop's area for group events. Usually they have a "buddy" with them, but in both of these situations, the "buddy" system failed - in Garrett's case, he fell in the river and ran back to the site to change. In Brennan's case, I guess his buddy got impatient waiting for him to take off the wall climbing gear.
Scouts are expected to be somewhat independent, and they don't each have a parent attending with them, I think the ratio is like, 1 adult to 6 boys, and adults are not allowed to be alone with boys, unless the boy is their own son.
I do understand that it is a camp, thank you. My daughter is 17 and has been attending a 4-H camp in the mountains for 6 years. She just got back from being a teen leader to a bunch of little girls, most of whom had never been to camp before. There were also boys there, probably 100 children in all. It is rocky and heavily wooded and there is a large lake. No one got lost, though they are allowed to roam independently all over the camp every day.
So my question is this. I've never been to Utah, but if this was an established camp, there must have been a path from the climbing wall back to the campsite. How could this boy have strayed so far from an established path and gotten lost? This makes no sense. I'm not saying that a child couldn't wander away and get lost, but there had to be a path he could follow back to camp, and when he discovered he was lost, wouldn't he just turn around and go back the other way?
I'm confused by this story.
Sassygerl
06-20-2005, 09:13 AM
The sheriff says the area is very rugged and getting lost is one of the risks you take going into that area....people have never been found in the past. It seems most likely that he fell in the river that was so full and moving so fast from the melting snow...it was only 50 yards away from where he was seen last. Had he fallen in he'd be gone so fast :( I pray they find him soon.
audrey77
06-20-2005, 09:25 AM
This is a websource about the other two women who were missing- and found in those mountains... It sheds a little light on ther terrain... http://climb-utah.com/Uinta/losthiker.htm
Juliana
06-20-2005, 09:59 AM
Mystery Deepens
http://sltrib.com/ci_2812524
"A sense of bewilderment is growing among searchers in the Uintas.
This is not overly rugged terrain. The weather is warm and appears unlikely to drop below freezing any time soon.
This land - used by Boy Scouts for generations - is filled with roads and trails, and having sustained a large fire a few years back is not overgrown.
So why, searchers lamented Sunday as the sun set over the evergreen-lined horizon, has there been no sign of Brennan Hawkins?"
Trino
06-20-2005, 10:26 AM
I'm sure the sheriff knows a lot, but because the Uintas are so rugged, it's very possible to get disoriented. The Uintas is an area for experienced hikers. It would seem a remote possibility that someone is hanging out there, looking for kids. As for a Garrett connection, 15 miles apart in such terrain is a lot of space.
A 9 yr. old boy went missing in CA mountains about 2 years ago. He was camping with his family and left to retrieve cookies from the car. There was all sorts of speculation about a kidnapping or parental involvement. The real truth was his remains were found just a few weeks ago - mountain lion victim. (A mountain lion would carry a body off.) You can't watch your kids close enough.
Jeana (DP)
06-20-2005, 11:00 AM
It certainly sounds like this isn't a "child missing in the woods" kind of thing. Two boys the same age disappearing from almost the exact location isn't coincidence.
Agreed~! What is that place, the Bermuda Triangle for Boy Scouts???? I don't think I'd allow my son to attend (not that I'd allow him to camp without a parent in the first place).
lisag
06-20-2005, 11:23 AM
Agreed~! What is that place, the Bermuda Triangle for Boy Scouts???? I don't think I'd allow my son to attend (not that I'd allow him to camp without a parent in the first place).
I agree... These kids should never be allowed to wonder off in an area like this withiout an adult... This is crazy!
kahskye
06-20-2005, 11:34 AM
". . . A climbing-wall supervisor said he saw the boy about 5:30 p.m. struggling to remove climbing gear. At the same time, he saw the boy's friend walking down a dirt road toward the family's river-bottom campsite about 200 yards away. The supervisor looked away and then looked back, but didn't see either boy, Summit County Sheriff's chief deputy and search and rescue coordinator Dave Booth said."
Has this climbing-wall supervisor been questioned being he was the last to see Brennan? Someone mentioned they were searching for him within an hr. Who reported him missing? If I had seen someone struggling w/ gear, looked away and then looked back and not see him, I would have walked over to the area and made sure he hadn't tripped over his gear and fallen or rolled down a slope.
" If I had seen someone struggling w/ gear, looked away and then looked back and not see him, I would have walked over to the area and made sure he hadn't tripped over his gear and fallen or rolled down a slope.
That would be the correct thing to do, and if this supervisor just went about their business then they should not be in any position supervising children.
My older brother is a scout leader but I will not leave my son with other parents as there are too many that do not handle situations the correct way. My son is nine month's old this last week and we go to church on Sunday's but I would not allow him to be in a Sunday school class with a Sunday school teacher and I use to teach Sunday school in MPLS. My wife and I do not allow anyone to babysit our son. Since his birth he has never been out of the care of either his mom or myself. His care is so important and I realize that he will have to go to school and places on his own but we plan to have him prepared to the best of our abilities including doing background checks on the schools and programs he may be in.
Special need children like Brennan need all the more guidance and need to be supervised more than other children.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 12:13 PM
From the pictures I've seen (and there haven't been many) of this camp, it's kind of rolling hilly, with big huge open areas of low brushy grass, and very well-defined dirt trails.
It's not like this climbing wall was on the face of a dropoff - the pic I saw (I can't find it again) the trail that led away was flat, gently sloping downward. A child who was struggling with removing gear wouldn't have anything to "fall off of".
From the pictures I've seen (and there haven't been many) of this camp, it's kind of rolling hilly, with big huge open areas of low brushy grass, and very well-defined dirt trails.
It's not like this climbing wall was on the face of a dropoff - the pic I saw (I can't find it again) the trail that led away was flat, gently sloping downward. A child who was struggling with removing gear wouldn't have anything to "fall off of".Here is the best news article I have found with great pictures to go along with.
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=213235&nid=5
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 12:19 PM
Did you forget the link? ;D
". . . A climbing-wall supervisor said he saw the boy about 5:30 p.m. struggling to remove climbing gear. At the same time, he saw the boy's friend walking down a dirt road toward the family's river-bottom campsite about 200 yards away. The supervisor looked away and then looked back, but didn't see either boy, Summit County Sheriff's chief deputy and search and rescue coordinator Dave Booth said."
Has this climbing-wall supervisor been questioned being he was the last to see Brennan? Someone mentioned they were searching for him within an hr. Who reported him missing? If I had seen someone struggling w/ gear, looked away and then looked back and not see him, I would have walked over to the area and made sure he hadn't tripped over his gear and fallen or rolled down a slope.
KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Eleven-year-old Brennan Hawkins last seen Friday near his family's campsite at the Bear River Boy Scout Reservation, high in the Uinta Mountains of Utah. Hawkins was climbing this rock wall with a friend who returned to camp for dinner around 5:00 in the evening. Hawkins stayed behind.
An hour later, a massive search was under way. His father tried to retrace his son's steps.
TOBY HAWKINS, FATHER OF MISSING SCOUT: Knowing his behavior, he probably got disoriented, frustrated, scared.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/ltm.05.html
Sounds like the friend returned to the family campsite without him. His parents must have reported him missing within an hour. The father's statement leads me to believe Brennan may have had behavioral issues or disabilities and got disoriented really easy. I hope he didn't accidently fall into that river.
Did you forget the link? ;DHa Ha, no I did not except that I use FF which has built-in security that does not allow for pasting so I had to quickly login with internet explorer and I thought I would do it quick enough but you caught me!
Here it is as well as above.
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=213235&nid=5
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 12:33 PM
Thanks, NVFC - those are the pics I was looking at before.
That place looks safe as safe can be, except the river. There's just no where for him to fall off of, and it seems like it would be hard to get too disoriented - there's nothing much obstructing the view.
I had thought the river would look more menacing, but it doesn't, does it. It looks like something a kid would think he could cross easily if he wanted to. Apparently that's not the case, it's deceptive.
It's clear why they're considering possible kidnapping - this doesn't look like an easy place to get lost. And once lost, it looks like a pretty easy place for searchers to find him again.
Jeana (DP)
06-20-2005, 12:38 PM
Could there be some transient living in that area making off with these kids who cross his path?
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 12:41 PM
I think there could be someone taking off with them - it's unclear whether this area is ONLY for scouts, like many scout reservations (although there really isn't much checking, and a leader uniform can be bought for about 30 bucks).
When you look at the area, it sure doesn't seem likely he could still be lost.
carolina
06-20-2005, 01:35 PM
sorry if i missed this...but is the climbing gear missing too?
luthersmama
06-20-2005, 01:49 PM
Sounds like part of the problem is that the big group was 16 & 17 y/o kids. Brennan was NOT part of their group - he was along because his friend's Dad was the leader.
So....you've got this big group of older kids who presumably need much less supervision, plus these two younger ones who are not really part of the group.
Add to that the fact that BOTH of Brennan's parents say that he didn't have a good sense of direction....SHEESH!!! Not a good situation....he probably tried to cross the river, I'm afraid.
Trino
06-20-2005, 02:03 PM
http://kutv.com/watercooler
This video is somewhat long - wait for the interview with the police. It seems that the concentration is on the river. When asked about a possible kidnapping, the police were covering their backside by assigning detectives to the case, but the emphasis is not on an abduction.
jodierenee
06-20-2005, 02:29 PM
Scary that it is the same area as Garrett Beardsley, from last summer....he was never found, was he? What is going on in that area??
Prayers for this child, I have a daughter the same age.
anyone have any links to info about this boy?
i couldn't find much on google.
Trino
06-20-2005, 02:54 PM
That's because Garrett's name is Garrett Bardsley. There is info out there.
lady-eowyn
06-20-2005, 03:02 PM
I am outraged that this is not huge national news. An 11 year old boy scout is missing JUST A FEW MILES from where Garett Bardsley went missing just A YEAR PRIOR.....
WHY ISN'T THERE MORE PANIC & OUTRAGE???????
Brennan Hawkins MISSING!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-missing-scout,1,2341453.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines&ctrack=2&cset=true
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2811070
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600142671,00.html
There isn't panic and outrage because he isn't a beautiful white female who is missing :(
I guess I was lucky as a kid. My brother and I use to trapse around in the woods by ourselves all the time...we did rock climbing, played in rivers/creeks/pond....I think the worse that ever happened to me was some scrapes, bug bites and poison ivy.
I hope and pray that he is just lost out there somewhere. I don't understand how they could have a climbing wall and not have adults nearby to supervise?!
Trino
06-20-2005, 03:19 PM
While there is much truth to your statement (Natalee Holloway), the circumstances surrounding the disappearances are different. It sounds as if NH was abducted; there is only a minimal possibility that Brennan was abducted. Somehow people are jumping to the conclusion that a kidnapper must be involved, but the search is centered on the swiftly flowing cold river. If he fell into the river, he may not be located right away. Nature can be as brutal as it is beautiful.
I do not understand your anger, since many people are searching for Brennan. Consider: http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_170190905.html
"Three thousand volunteers searched Sunday for the boy, Brennan Hawkins of Bountiful, who last seen near a climbing wall at the 8,500-foot elevation Scouting site about 80 miles east of Salt Lake City."
The story also made Internet headlines and is in several national newspapers. What more could you ask?
mysteriew
06-20-2005, 03:30 PM
It's a possibility that Summit County Sheriff Dave Edmunds says he must accept, though at this point, "we don't have any reason to believe there has been a kidnapping."
Still, the sheriff says, he has ordered his detectives to begin a criminal investigation - to explore who was in this stretch of wilderness and when.
Either possibility would explain why dozens of trained search dogs have not been able to track the boy's scent far from the tower or his tent and why searchers - there were more than 3,000 Sunday - have had similarly poor luck.
But hopes remain high that Brennan simply wandered off. Conte is among hundreds who have confirmed their intentions to return to these mountains this morning. When they arrive, they will again be greeted by a mostly volunteer search network well honed by past tragedies.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2812524
Of particular concern in the search for Brennan Hawkins is the fast-moving waters of the Bear River, where at least two swift-water dive teams from Utah and Wyoming — and several volunteer kayakers — focused their efforts Sunday while more than 3,000 others scoured the dense mountainside for any sign of the missing Bountiful boy.
Brennan sought help from a 16-year-old counselor who was helping another boy nearby, Edmunds said, but by the time the older boy was ready to help him, Brennan was gone and the harness was lying on the ground.
Officials are asking for more volunteers, particularly those with global positioning software, to meet again this morning to continue the search for Brennan. Although the boy will have been missing some 60 hours by then, Edmunds remained optimistic Sunday about a happy ending to the rescue effort.
"I do believe that he could have survived this long, and we're operating under that premise," Edmunds said.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600142846,00.html
luthersmama
06-20-2005, 04:29 PM
". . . A climbing-wall supervisor said he saw the boy about 5:30 p.m. struggling to remove climbing gear. At the same time, he saw the boy's friend walking down a dirt road toward the family's river-bottom campsite about 200 yards away. The supervisor looked away and then looked back, but didn't see either boy, Summit County Sheriff's chief deputy and search and rescue coordinator Dave Booth said."
Has this climbing-wall supervisor been questioned being he was the last to see Brennan? Someone mentioned they were searching for him within an hr. Who reported him missing? If I had seen someone struggling w/ gear, looked away and then looked back and not see him, I would have walked over to the area and made sure he hadn't tripped over his gear and fallen or rolled down a slope.
If Brennan and his friend were off the wall and getting ready to leave, and the supervisors still had other kids ON the wall, it would have been irresponsible for him to leave the climbing kids to go check on one that was already off. Much more important to stay with the climbing kids.
kahskye
06-20-2005, 05:06 PM
If Brennan and his friend were off the wall and getting ready to leave, and the supervisors still had other kids ON the wall, it would have been irresponsible for him to leave the climbing kids to go check on one that was already off. Much more important to stay with the climbing kids.
Well, maybe I missed it or it wasn't clear just how many supervisors there were at the climbling wall or how many other kids were climbling. If there were other kids on the wall that had to be supervised, the supervisor still could have sent two over just to make sure Brennan hadn't tripped over his gear. If there wasn't anyone to send, he could have checked once the kids were off of the wall. That would have been the responsible thing to do.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 05:09 PM
I find it incredible that his friend didn't have a conversation with him about going back to the camp. Or if there was something in particular he wanted to check out, like the river. what was going on with the gear he last had on? Was it left where it was? Was it returned to where it belongs? Was it missing? Were these the first humans in this area for the season? Had any wild animals been seen in this area recently? Had there been any fires, sever rain, etc that would have driven bears, etc. to the safety of this area? Who is this other kid? A stranger, a family friend, a fellow boyscout?
Sassygerl
06-20-2005, 05:11 PM
Thanks, NVFC - those are the pics I was looking at before.
That place looks safe as safe can be, except the river. There's just no where for him to fall off of, and it seems like it would be hard to get too disoriented - there's nothing much obstructing the view.
I had thought the river would look more menacing, but it doesn't, does it. It looks like something a kid would think he could cross easily if he wanted to. Apparently that's not the case, it's deceptive.
It's clear why they're considering possible kidnapping - this doesn't look like an easy place to get lost. And once lost, it looks like a pretty easy place for searchers to find him again.
I saw the river on TV this morning and it was moving very fast....I can see how a child would think it was cool and walk over to it and possibly fall in. Afterall, how many people in Texas think they can cross roads covered by water and get swept away? We see it all the time. It seems very likely to me he got swept away.
Prayers they find him soon.....and I'm praying safe.
kahskye
06-20-2005, 05:44 PM
KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Eleven-year-old Brennan Hawkins last seen Friday near his family's campsite at the Bear River Boy Scout Reservation, high in the Uinta Mountains of Utah. Hawkins was climbing this rock wall with a friend who returned to camp for dinner around 5:00 in the evening. Hawkins stayed behind.
An hour later, a massive search was under way. His father tried to retrace his son's steps.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/ltm.05.html
Ok, so that article made it sound like the search started around 6 p.m. and yet I just read this article that said:
"The friend was walking 50 to 100 feet ahead of Brennan, when he noticed Brennan was nowhere in sight. Hundreds of Scouts searched for the boy before Hawkins was notified around 8:30 p.m. The Summit County Sheriff's Department organized its own search, which began around 9:45 p.m. "
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2811070
So, would that mean they searched for 2 1/2 hrs before notifying Mr. Hawkins?
What I think happend is Brennan was looking down adjusting his gear and didn't notice his friend getting further ahead. It seems like he still would have seen him 100 ft away, unless as he was walking looking down at his gear, he started walking off in the wrong direction and got lost. I would think some of his gear would be found, unless it all went w/ him into the river if he tried to cross it and got swept away and somehow missed in the search.
Just my opinion . . . .
I saw the river on TV this morning and it was moving very fast....I can see how a child would think it was cool and walk over to it and possibly fall in. Afterall, how many people in Texas think they can cross roads covered by water and get swept away? We see it all the time. It seems very likely to me he got swept away.
Prayers they find him soon.....and I'm praying safe.
I agree that was my perception of the area that it was dangerous, I am sure the open area is the campground picnic area but the terrain looks like it could be very hazardous to a young child/teen and even adults getting caught in that current is also dangerous and this boy could have been curious about the water and before he realized his predicament, it was too late. I hope that Brennan is on land because the water he would not have a chance to survive.
Timex
06-20-2005, 06:30 PM
In the interview I saw, someone (family friend I think) mentioned the fact that Brennan does NOT like the water, and would most likely avoid it. She said on previous outings, when others would go swimming or wading, he would stay on the shore, as he just isnt comfortable about water.
In the interview I saw, someone (family friend I think) mentioned the fact that Brennan does NOT like the water, and would most likely avoid it. She said on previous outings, when others would go swimming or wading, he would stay on the shore, as he just isnt comfortable about water.
Thank you that is reassuring! My little boy, nine months barely and always playing in the dog's water bowl and is so curious about water.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 07:14 PM
Um hm, Timex, I think just looking at the one photo they've shared, he looks like a timid kid. He LOOKS like a kid who wouldn't get in a river, maybe I just think that because of all the other descriptions his family has used he sounds like he doesn't take risks or act impulsively. From their description, it's hard to imagine him jumping in and splashing around in the river, or even attempting to cross it to get to where he thought he needed to be. But maybe . . .
How far could this child have gotten? It's just baffling.
Does anyone remember that story of a little boy hiking in Washington state with his family, I think the boy was 3, got separated at dusk and made his way all the way down the mountain to a grouping of houses all by himself. He was completely outside of the area the rescuers had imagined was the farthest he could possibly have walked by himself - and yet, he showed up, chilled and hungry at the bottom of the mountain and knocked on a door for help. Amazing.
Prayers this child is found, too.
Sassygerl
06-20-2005, 07:42 PM
Um hm, Timex, I think just looking at the one photo they've shared, he looks like a timid kid. He LOOKS like a kid who wouldn't get in a river, maybe I just think that because of all the other descriptions his family has used he sounds like he doesn't take risks or act impulsively. From their description, it's hard to imagine him jumping in and splashing around in the river, or even attempting to cross it to get to where he thought he needed to be. But maybe . . .
How far could this child have gotten? It's just baffling.
Does anyone remember that story of a little boy hiking in Washington state with his family, I think the boy was 3, got separated at dusk and made his way all the way down the mountain to a grouping of houses all by himself. He was completely outside of the area the rescuers had imagined was the farthest he could possibly have walked by himself - and yet, he showed up, chilled and hungry at the bottom of the mountain and knocked on a door for help. Amazing.
Prayers this child is found, too.
While I don't think you can judge whether or not a child would get in water by a picture, I am glad to hear he would more than likely avoid it. My first thoughts were that maybe he went to skip rocks, as many kids would do, but maybe not. My kids would automatically head toward the raging river to check it out...they are good swimmers, but not a match for that river.
I wish they'd find him :(
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 07:58 PM
My kids would be in that river in a flash too. They have always pretended to have fallen in, so no one would give them ugly looks about being muddy and wet.
I guess he looks like a boy I know who is has mild symptoms of Asperger's syndrome - I think I'm imagining I know Brennan better than I do. It's just a picture, after all. There's something, though, in their descriptions of him as a kind very timid child, doesn't like the cold, wouldn't approach a stranger to say he's lost, doesn't like the water, could get lost easily, etc. Something about the completely "smile-less" smile he has on his face - like he's just sort of showing his teeth.
I really think all this is hopeful for him - he sounds like he may truly just be lost and not responding back to callers who call out his name.
Prayers that's the case. What an agony his family is going through.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 08:07 PM
The story has just changed.
Apparently, he was NOT headed back to the family's camp site, as reported all along.
Apparently he was really headed to the "chow hall". Which is where every other scout would be heading at that point, and had he just asked any other scout "where's the chow hall", he could have found out.
This sounds a LOT more like a kidnapping, now, to me than it did before. There would have been a lot of people all going there, and cars are probably parked near that area. And with everyone headed to the chow hall - there wouldn't be anyone else around in the campsites or the activities. Suddenly, the place clears out.
http://kutv.com/topstories/topstories_story_171073302.html
Ghostwheel
06-20-2005, 08:24 PM
There isn't panic and outrage because he isn't a beautiful white female who is missing :(
I guess I was lucky as a kid. My brother and I use to trapse around in the woods by ourselves all the time...we did rock climbing, played in rivers/creeks/pond....I think the worse that ever happened to me was some scrapes, bug bites and poison ivy.
I hope and pray that he is just lost out there somewhere. I don't understand how they could have a climbing wall and not have adults nearby to supervise?!Plenty of panic, IMO and the outrage should be at BSA at this point, also IMO. Do they not practice the buddy system in Utah? You know, travel in pairs or more?
A key in what they keep saying is that he was STRUGGLING with his climbing gear. How come no one helped him get the stuff off? Where was everyone else with their gear? Sounds like it was at the end of the day, and he might have been the last person trying to get his gear off, and people got frustrated and started heading for chow, including the supervisor.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 08:34 PM
Ghostwheel - the supervisor's story isn't that he left, rather he looked away and when he looked back, Brennan was gone. I'm sure quite a bit was going on - boys were coming through here and there, the supervisor was documenting who had participated, he was putting stuff away, etc.
And you don't help scouts who are struggling to remove gear. ;D They're scouts.
That's what makes scout camp such a growth experience - there's no one there like us to will "mom" them all the time. Sounds like he was learning to work with the climbing equipment, and was having a bit of trouble getting it all off.
I've seen boys at scout camp "struggle" with putting batteries in a flashlight. You learn, though, to let them do it.
MISSWASABI
06-20-2005, 08:34 PM
[QUOTE=KatherineQ]
I had thought the river would look more menacing, but it doesn't, does it. It looks like something a kid would think he could cross easily if he wanted to. Apparently that's not the case, it's deceptive.
QUOTE]
I watched a video of the river search last night on tv.
It showed a guy in a kayak paddling against the current checking
the edges of the brush on the opposite bank. That river looks
VERY DANGEROUS! The current is very swift; with tons of brush/
vegetation along the banks. These types of rivers are very deceptive
looking on the surface - but underneath there are many dangers -
including large, sharp rocks and embedded tree branches that will
snag you and pull you under in a heartbeat. Plus the rocks at the edge
can be very slippery. It reminds me of the Kern River in central California.
I tubed a 3 mile "class 1" (easy) type section of it once. NEVER AGAIN!
And I'm not exactly what you would call a chicken!
MW
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Misswasabi - Oh, I know. I think everyone acknowledges it's a dangerous river - but I could see how someone could easily mistake it for an easy river to cross.
It looks like a pleasant stream at a glance, at least in the pics I've seen. Which I guess is more dangerous than a river that looks as dangerous as it is.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 08:44 PM
The story has just changed.
Apparently, he was NOT headed back to the family's camp site, as reported all along.
Apparently he was really headed to the "chow hall". Which is where every other scout would be heading at that point, and had he just asked any other scout "where's the chow hall", he could have found out.
This sounds a LOT more like a kidnapping, now, to me than it did before. There would have been a lot of people all going there, and cars are probably parked near that area. And with everyone headed to the chow hall - there wouldn't be anyone else around in the campsites or the activities. Suddenly, the place clears out.
http://kutv.com/topstories/topstories_story_171073302.html
Now I think he lost his way after hearing he was headed someplace he may have forgotten the way too. I can't tell you how many times I got myself turned around at church camp when I was a kid and I went there for years.
I wish we could get a layout of the campground. Would they be familiar is there were any old wells in the vicinty? I always wonder if missing people have fallen into an old well.
Ghostwheel
06-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Ghostwheel - the supervisor's story isn't that he left, rather he looked away and when he looked back, Brennan was gone. I'm sure quite a bit was going on - boys were coming through here and there, the supervisor was documenting who had participated, he was putting stuff away, etc.
And you don't help scouts who are struggling to remove gear. ;D They're scouts.
That's what makes scout camp such a growth experience - there's no one there like us to will "mom" them all the time. Sounds like he was learning to work with the climbing equipment, and was having a bit of trouble getting it all off.
I've seen boys at scout camp "struggle" with putting batteries in a flashlight. You learn, though, to let them do it.
Us, who? ;) Big difference between sitting in your bunk and putting in batteries, and being the last off the climbing wall and having trouble with your gear. In our troop, we show the kids how to use it, and another troop mate gives them a hand if they don't get it. We don't leave them to just "figure out" how to put on climbing gear. You screw up, you can end up maimed or dead going up. And obviously, you screw up, you can end up missing if no one cares enough to help you get out of your gear.
Been the supervisor on the climbing range, and have NEVER left anyone trying to get out of their gear. The whole group leaves at once, too, no singles allowed. Teaches them all how to work together for the good of the group. Odd concept, I guess.
I know the supervisor's story isn't that he left, but that doesn't mean he wasn't 50 yards down the road, tapping his foot waiting for Brennan to be done, turned around to look at what have you, then when he turned back, did not see Brennan, and continued on (seen that one enough times at camp). His story was not that he went back to where Brennan was to make sure he had left, either, which would have been the "rules" thing to do.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Now I think he lost his way after hearing he was headed someplace he may have forgotten the way too. I can't tell you how many times I got myself turned around at church camp when I was a kid and I went there for years.
I wish we could get a layout of the campground. Would they be familiar is there were any old wells in the vicinty? I always wonder if missing people have fallen into an old well.
I know, I'd really like a layout too. All the camps we've ever been to, in Oklahoma and Texas, have a "layout" and a website on line. Like, you could tell where the river is, where the chow hall is, where the climbing wall is, etc.
The only other thing I can find AT ALL about this Scout Reservation is apparently a group of scouts was sued for $14M after a fire was started in 2002 that burned a lot of it down. That's why it's all so clear in the photos - it was burned about 4 years ago in a massive fire.
Trino
06-20-2005, 09:06 PM
Brennan really wasn't part of this session. His parents camped so he could accompany a friend's son. Yes, the son might have been more responsible, but what about Brennan's "tired of waiting" friends?
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_171111037.html
"Brennan, who was transitioning between a Cub and Boy Scout, was a visitor at the camp with a friend. That boy's father was volunteering at a three-day session for 1,400 older Scouts.
Brennan was trying to get out of his climbing wall harness on Friday when his friend tired of waiting, and said they would meet up at the "chow hall,'' Edmunds said.
Brennan disappeared somewhere along a quarter mile of a dirt road between the artificial climbing wall and a trailer that serves as the chow hall. Even though the river was within 100 yards of the road, he never had to cross it."
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 09:07 PM
I just looked at climbing gear. Was that child taking off the belt thing and those things that look like they attached to the thighs? Was his stuff returned? Thats the big question. He certainly wouldn't have left it on the ground where he was. That isn't the type of gear each child has for himself, he would have to return it. The instructor would have made sure all equipment was secure before he left the climbing site. I am correct that these were not children his age but an older group?
Trino
06-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Another subject... East Fork Bear River Trails
Here's more about the area/terrain.
East Fork of Bear River and Norice & Priord Lakes
Length: 10.6 miles
Use: Moderate - Heavy
Difficulty: Easy to Difficult
USGS Map: Christmas Meadows, Utah and Red Knob, Utah.
Trail Beginning: 9,200 feet elevation at the East Fork Bear trailhead.
Trail Ending: 11,000 feet elevation at Priord Lake.
Access: From Highway U-150, two miles north of the Bear River Ranger Station, turn east onto the North Slope Road (marked with a large sign reading: Bear River R.S. 2, Mill Creek G.S. 7, Blacks Fork River 20, and E Fk Boy Scout Camp 6). Two miles in on this good gravel road, take a right turn at a major road junction (marked by a sign pointing the way to the East Fork Bear River). Follow this road for four miles, at which point there will be a signed road junction. The right fork leads down to the BOY SCOUT CAMP -the left fork goes 1/4 mile to the East Fork Bear trailhead. The trailhead has a small parking area for cars and trucks.
The East Fork of the Bear River trail runs along the stream where you will find old cabins tucked in the trees. Going on south about four miles you come to a trail junction. The Left Fork goes to AlIsop Lake and the Right Fork goes on to Norice and Priord Lakes. The trail rises gently at stream grade all the way and is not difficult hiking except for the river crossings, which can be tough. The trail crosses the stream several times and often you must search for a suitable log to cross on. Early in the summer, some parts of the trail may be under the edge of the river. The trail stays in the trees so you will not see the broad vistas until you get to higher elevations. At the head of the basin are two lakes: Norice and Priord. The trail will lead you right to Norice Lake, but peters out on the way to Priord. To find Priord Lake, follow the small streams which feed into Norice on its western side; they flow down from Priord.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Brennan really wasn't part of this session. His parents camped so he could accompany a friend's son. Yes, the son might have been more responsible, but what about Brennan's "tired of waiting" friends?
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_171111037.html
"Brennan, who was transitioning between a Cub and Boy Scout, was a visitor at the camp with a friend. That boy's father was volunteering at a three-day session for 1,400 older Scouts.
Brennan was trying to get out of his climbing wall harness on Friday when his friend tired of waiting, and said they would meet up at the "chow hall,'' Edmunds said.
Brennan disappeared somewhere along a quarter mile of a dirt road between the artificial climbing wall and a trailer that serves as the chow hall. Even though the river was within 100 yards of the road, he never had to cross it."
Was he given instructions on how to get to the trailor, something he could confuse himself with? If the instructors knew he wasn't there while they were still there, did they travel the same road he should have? Were there turns in the road or crossroads where he had to choose which way to go? If it was a straight shot and no one saw him walking in that direction, he was snatched.
Timex
06-20-2005, 09:22 PM
I believe Brennan was a bit young to be with this particular scouting group, but because he was there with friends, he was permitted to participate. Our council doesnt allow younger scouts simply because of the nature of the trips our boys undertake. I know the camp where our boys do their "big" campout is VERY rugged, and it is often a 30 to 40 minute hike between sites.
There is a big difference in cub scout and boy scout when it comes to what they are capable of understanding and doing on their own. These were senior aged scouts for the most part. The leadership at that level is much different than it would be at a Weblo level.
I dont quite understand how he could have wandered so far in such a short amount of time, but stranger things have happened.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 09:33 PM
The friends he was with, were they his age or alot older. He looks like a sensitive kid, could he maybe have been crying after they left from embarassment and run and hid so no one would see him crying? And got lost?
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 09:37 PM
I wonder if he went to use the bathroom and there was someone waiting in there who took him - during chow time when no one was around.
Trino
06-20-2005, 09:37 PM
Beyond Belief, that sounds plausible. His parents also said he didn't have a good sense of direction. All he had to do was to walk the road - no turns - and it seems the road wasn't long.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 09:40 PM
The more I think about it, the easier that sounds. Arrive in a men's scout uniform, drive up to a bathroom, and wait. When a lone kid comes in quickly duct tape the mouth and hands and feet, pop him in one of those huge garbage cans, load it in th back of the truck and you're out.
No one would suspect a thing or even glance your way.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 09:43 PM
The more I think about it, the easier that sounds. Arrive in a men's scout uniform, drive up to a bathroom, and wait. When a lone kid comes in quickly duct tape the mouth and hands and feet, pop him in one of those huge garbage cans, load it in th back of the truck and you're out.
No one would suspect a thing or even glance your way.
i think his age was unique for this group. I think they were older kids. A predator wouldn't necessary expect to see one little 11 yr old in this group of big grown up kids. So he wouldn't be stalking them.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 09:48 PM
There are a LOT of squirrely little 16 year old scouts. Maybe someone wasn't actually after an 11 year old, but a kind of helpless older kid. I don't know.
My mind usually doesn't run this way, usually I think that accidents have occurred, but this is too much space for this one little guy, who no one seems to describe as the kind of kid who would wander far. He's vanished.
It doesn't look like he would get in the river, and this doesn't sound like the kind of kid who would walk for miles and miles. It seems like, by the time they were searching for him, he'd still be in the nearby area.
When I go to scout camps, I don't even give a man in a scout uniform a second look. They're everywhere, and they're above reproach. Evenin' Ma'am, is about all they say, and smile, and it wouldn't occur to me to suspect they shouldn't be there. Even if they were carrying a huge garbage can.
Trino
06-20-2005, 09:49 PM
What if Brennan dropped part of his gear down an embankment and tried to retrieve it? The East Fork of the Bear is only 50 feet from the road at one point.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 09:51 PM
I would do some serious talking to the last people at the climbing thing. And to the boys who say they left him behind. Something stinks here.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 09:55 PM
What if Brennan dropped part of his gear down an embankment and tried to retrieve it? The East Fork of the Bear is only 50 feet from the road at one point.Thats interesting, but was it his gear or did it get turned in when he was done? i can't see each of these kids investing in this type of gear. Its about 100.00 for that stuff times 1400 kids, thats a big investment.
If he heard some remark when those other boys were walking away like "i wish he didn't come", that boy would have cried and run. He would have headed for home.
If it was his gear and he was grabbed, don't you think they would have found the gear by now.
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 10:03 PM
I know I"m kind of talking to myself here ;D but this really resonates with me - taking a kid from the bathroom.
What happened to Garrett, at a scout camp down the road, who looks just like this boy?
You really can't just "snatch" a child, like say the Climbing instructor, couldn't just grab Brennan right out there in the open.
Someone in a bathroom could, though, and never be questioned. And they could do it every year and still never be figured out. Because there would always be that doubt . .maybe he wandered off.
NOTE: there isn't any "embankment" that I can see anywhere in any of those photos. There's no cliff where this child could have dropped some gear and then tumbled down after it. Have ya'll seen these arial photos? It's flat.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 10:10 PM
I know I"m kind of talking to myself here ;D but this really resonates with me - taking a kid from the bathroom.
What happened to Garrett, at a scout camp down the road, who looks just like this boy?
You really can't just "snatch" a child, like say the Climbing instructor, couldn't just grab Brennan right out there in the open.
Someone in a bathroom could, though, and never be questioned. And they could do it every year and still never be figured out. Because there would always be that doubt . .maybe he wandered off.
NOTE: there isn't any "embankment" that I can see anywhere in any of those photos. There's no cliff where this child could have dropped some gear and then tumbled down after it. Have ya'll seen these arial photos? It's flat.your not talking to yourself, I think we're just thinking outloud. I am so upset i could scream.
I just looked at one photo with searcher down a slopey area in the river. Someone could slip easily in there. Maybe something in the water got his attention and down he went. Like a snake, a turtle, a bird, just about anything he might have wanted to take a look at better. And he was alone and there was no one to stop him.
kahskye
06-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Sorry to repost, but I seem to get skipped over. Just wondering if anyone can clear up this time frame of when the search started.
Ok, so that article made it sound like the search started around 6 p.m. and yet I just read this article that said:
"The friend was walking 50 to 100 feet ahead of Brennan, when he noticed Brennan was nowhere in sight. Hundreds of Scouts searched for the boy before Hawkins was notified around 8:30 p.m. The Summit County Sheriff's Department organized its own search, which began around 9:45 p.m. "
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2811070
So, would that mean they searched for 2 1/2 hrs before notifying Mr. Hawkins?
What I think happend is Brennan was looking down adjusting his gear and didn't notice his friend getting further ahead. It seems like he still would have seen him 100 ft away, unless as he was walking looking down at his gear, he started walking off in the wrong direction and got lost. I would think some of his gear would be found, unless it all went w/ him into the river if he tried to cross it and got swept away and somehow missed in the search.
Just my opinion . . . .
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 10:28 PM
Sorry to repost, but I seem to get skipped over. Just wondering if anyone can clear up this time frame of when the search started.His parents are on Hannity and Colmes. My heart is with them..
KatherineQ
06-20-2005, 10:30 PM
The timeline I keep seeing, is he was last spotted at 5:30 p.m. by the climbing instructor.
His group became very concerned by 6:30, when dinner was over and he had never made it, and they all began to search for him right then, until they notified the sheriff at 9:45.
I don't know when his father was called.
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 10:41 PM
Brennan got off the rock wall when he got uncomfortable. Nothing intential from friend, but didn't finish saying when he went missing. Newsman interrupts again and doesn't let them talk. Why do they do that?
Typical with missing persons launch criminal investigation includes the predators, the waterways and the fields.
Another newscaster interrupting.
Lots of waterways, creek due nothwest of climbing wall, river se of northwest with raging water.
Brennan feels uncomfortable with water. So felt groundsearch first. Makes friends easily. Teachers, Sunday school teacher, friends, so many showed up to help search.
Loves pokemon, rocks, fishing, ect.
Scout leaders up there please contact sheriff if you saw anthing they should need.
All areas have been supportive. incredible effort , thank you, we're not finished but we're alot closer because of their help. Volunteers please keep coming. Thank you.
Wow! Nice parents. Special little boy, I hope the communities continue to help.
Prayers for Brennan.
Trino
06-20-2005, 11:02 PM
How can anyone disappear along a quarter mile road??? How could someone take him along that road? It's not as if they could walk out with him w/o being seen. He must have gone to the river, but why?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8276685/
"Brennan disappeared somewhere along a quarter mile of a dirt road between the artificial climbing wall and a trailer that serves as the chow hall. Even though the river was within 100 yards of the road, he never had to cross it."
Of particular concern in the search for Brennan Hawkins is the fast-moving waters of the Bear River, where at least two swift-water dive teams from Utah and Wyoming — and several volunteer kayakers — focused their efforts Sunday while more than 3,000 others scoured the dense mountainside for any sign of the missing Bountiful boy.
Brennan sought help from a 16-year-old counselor who was helping another boy nearby, Edmunds said, but by the time the older boy was ready to help him, Brennan was gone and the harness was lying on the ground.
Officials are asking for more volunteers, particularly those with global positioning software, to meet again this morning to continue the search for Brennan. Although the boy will have been missing some 60 hours by then, Edmunds remained optimistic Sunday about a happy ending to the rescue effort.
"I do believe that he could have survived this long, and we're operating under that premise," Edmunds said.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600142846,00.html
OK, according to the Deseret News Brennan left his harness behind. So, either Brennan became so impatient and/or frustrated that he just left his gear on the ground and hurried to catch up with his friend, or somebody snatched him and left his gear behind. It doesn't seem likely to me that he would have gotten lost on a 1/4 mile walk, on a well-marked path, to the chow hall. I want to know if anyone has checked into the background of the counselor who saw him last. I also want to know how long it was between when he saw Brennan, looked away, and looked back again. Was it a few seconds or a few minutes? How long did it take him to vanish?
Trino
06-20-2005, 11:24 PM
Anything is possible. Mountain lions inhabit the Wasatch Cache. There are advertised hunters who take patrons into the WC to hunt them. The time Brennan disappeared was around 5:30 p.m. No one went to look for him until after dinner, around 6:30, I believe.
http://www.desertusa.com/may96/du_mlion.html
"Avoid hiking alone, especially between dusk and dawn, when lions normally do their hunting. Make plenty of noise while you hike so as to reduce the chances of surprising a lion.
Always keep children in sight while hiking and within arm's reach in areas that can conceal a lion. Mountain Lions seem to be drawn to children.
Hike with a good walking stick; this can be useful in warding off a lion."
Pray this isn't the case.
ThoughtFox
06-20-2005, 11:29 PM
CNN Nancy Grace Transcript ~ Today
Interview with Jody Hawkins, the lost boy's mother:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/ng.01.html
GRACE: So was this a planned Scouting event? What, were they supposed to be hiking or what?
J. HAWKINS: No. This is a huge -- it`s called the Big Event. It`s once a year. They bring in 1,400 14- to 17-year-olds from around the state, very well orchestrated. Brennan was not a part of that. He was up here as a friend of one of the staffers. They were just on their own having fun while his parents were in charge of a lot of the training exercises going on here.
GRACE: What were they planning to do that evening? Why would he have wandered off?
J. HAWKINS: He didn`t wander off. He was at a climbing wall, climbing with a buddy. He came down off the wall, and they were heading off for dinner. Brennan has a terrible sense of direction. His friend went one direction, as he turned around to take off his harness, he went in a different direction.
~Much more at Link~
Beyond Belief
06-20-2005, 11:59 PM
uncle being interviewed. lost the connection.:banghead: I hope they find him tonight.
ThoughtFox
06-21-2005, 12:10 AM
Yeah, Greta was a disappointment. There wasn't anything that they "found today." In fact, she said again that they haven't found a shred of evidence. A policeman on a film said they are only searching the river to make sure he isn't there.
I don't see why he would be in the river unless someone pushed him in. He didn't need to cross the river to get back to camp.
Something's just not right about this.
Couple of articles I just found:
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_171203848.html
Scouts Have New Plan To Keep Boys Safe
http://www.sierratimes.com/rss/newswire.php?article=/news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050621/ap_on_re_us/missing_scout&time=1119321226&feed=us
Search Cut Back for Missing Scout in Utah - Yahoo! News
Through the day Monday, a nine-member swift water rescue team scoured about 1 1/2 miles of the East Fork of the Bear River. They found three socks and a sandal, but none were connected to the boy, Edmunds said.
MistyM
06-21-2005, 05:47 AM
I hope he didnt get thirsty and decide to drink from the river.
harleysnana
06-21-2005, 06:00 AM
This one hits home to me.
I live in Bountiful.
Since this has happened I haven't been able to sleep.
My heart is breaking for his family.
The last thing I heard tonight was that a dog did pick up his sent
but lost it by the river.
I will try to post more on the campground and surroundings tomorrow.
Please pray that this little boy will be found soon.
CaliKid
06-21-2005, 06:40 AM
I remember going camping when i was younger with the Girl Scouts. You did everything as a group, not individual. Whatever happened to the buddy system?
Mygirlsadie
06-21-2005, 08:22 AM
This one hits home to me.
I live in Bountiful.
Since this has happened I haven't been able to sleep.
My heart is breaking for his family.
The last thing I heard tonight was that a dog did pick up his sent
but lost it by the river.
I will try to post more on the campground and surroundings tomorrow.
Please pray that this little boy will be found soon.
I feel so bad for both these little guys missing in that area. My heart breaks to think about it. I will definately be praying.
Pharlap
06-21-2005, 08:28 AM
Prayers and lite a candle......:angel:
I wish people would look into the gps's they have out now.
There about 100.00 and anyone can buy them...
http://stores.ebay.com/MREdepot_GPS-Child-Tracking-NEW_W0QQssPageNameZVIStoreHeaderLinksQQtZkm?
There are others, just can't seem to find the links tis morning...
Need coffee......
Trino
06-21-2005, 09:27 AM
My gut feeling is that somehow Brennan went to the river. That's where the trained searchers have been concentrated. If this is the case, an unanswered question is why he would do this, since the road led directly to the camp.
wykyd_r
06-21-2005, 09:41 AM
There isn't panic and outrage because he isn't a beautiful white female who is missing :(
I guess I was lucky as a kid. My brother and I use to trapse around in the woods by ourselves all the time...we did rock climbing, played in rivers/creeks/pond....I think the worse that ever happened to me was some scrapes, bug bites and poison ivy.
I hope and pray that he is just lost out there somewhere. I don't understand how they could have a climbing wall and not have adults nearby to supervise?!
I heartily agree with you and blueclouds. While it is true that, as Trino said, 3,000 people searched for this precious little boy on Sunday, that number was reduced to approximately 350 on Monday. I understand that people must return to work and their own lives, but it is heartbreaking nevertheless. As for the national news, I must mention my frustration at having to listen to several minutes of how much Saddam Hussein likes Cheetos and Doritos before I can hear word of Brennan's search. CNN also just reported that a 17-member search and rescue team from Texas is going to Aruba for five days to help search for Natalee. While my heart breaks for her family, and I realize the circumstances are different, I must say that I have little hope for finding her alive, and since it may still be possible to help Brennan, maybe their efforts would be better spent on a trip to Utah? This is only my opinion and is not meant to offend or judge anyone.
CNN also just reported that a 17-member search and rescue team from Texas is going to Aruba for five days to help search for Natalee. While my heart breaks for her family, and I realize the circumstances are different, I must say that I have little hope for finding her alive, and since it may still be possible to help Brennan, maybe their efforts would be better spent on a trip to Utah? This is only my opinion and is not meant to offend or judge anyone.
I agree, I am sure their efforts would be much greater. I hate to be cynical but they probably do not get that many chances to write off a vacation to Aruba. I question this decision also.They could be in Utah searching right now
Gabby
06-21-2005, 09:52 AM
I agree, I am sure their efforts would be much greater. I hate to be cynical but they probably do not get that many chances to write off a vacation to Aruba. I question this decision also.They could be in Utah searching right now
Do you know if anyone has contacted a SAR?
Trino
06-21-2005, 10:42 AM
CNN also just reported that a 17-member search and rescue team from Texas is going to Aruba for five days to help search for Natalee.
It is my understanding that Natalee's family privately contracted for the Texas team, although they are soliciting donations. Money talks.
KatherineQ
06-21-2005, 11:03 AM
The thing is, they have enough searchers in Utah, and they have all the equipment needed, as I understand it, and they are telling the family every single thing they know. As I understand it.
In Aruba, they have tourists searching and what LE knows other wise they aren't telling the family.
They have more than enough professional help, and volunteer help, in Utah.
It's not so in Aruba. I don't blame her for hiring Equusearch, and I don't blame her for attempting to sue for the information. This is too long, considering these men know where she is, for this family to have to wait for answers.
In my opinion.
wykyd_r
06-21-2005, 11:24 AM
The thing is, they have enough searchers in Utah, and they have all the equipment needed, as I understand it, and they are telling the family every single thing they know. As I understand it.
In Aruba, they have tourists searching and what LE knows other wise they aren't telling the family.
They have more than enough professional help, and volunteer help, in Utah.
It's not so in Aruba. I don't blame her for hiring Equusearch, and I don't blame her for attempting to sue for the information. This is too long, considering these men know where she is, for this family to have to wait for answers.
In my opinion.
First let me say that I absolutely do not blame NH's family for anything they decide to do--the circumstances are horrifying to say the least. However, I do not believe that they have enough help in Utah, or they might have had some success by now??? Also, the SAR team hired by NH's family primarily uses horses (i.e., land searchers)--Aruba is a 70-square-mile island--she is most likely not on the island (at least not anywhere these guys are allowed to search) or she would have been found. The area where Brennan could be is much larger.
I must apologize if my previous post seemed to be a criticism of NH's family or the SAR team--it was really more an indictment of the media.
As always, JMHO
Trino
06-21-2005, 11:31 AM
Maybe I was a little strong in my comment, "Money talks," but the truth is that fortunately Natalee's family has the finances to hire a private firm. Not everyone has that luxury. If Natalee were my daughter, I would exhaust all resources to find her.
The numbers searching for Brennan are down; many people, although sincere, need to return to work and their lives. I believe the official search for Garrett Bardsley was scaled back after one week. Hopefully, because it's warm weather, the search for Brennan will continue.
Prayers for both parents.
Beyond Belief
06-21-2005, 11:32 AM
Please keep the prayers going for Brennan.
Mygirlsadie
06-21-2005, 11:50 AM
Maybe I was a little strong in my comment, "Money talks," but the truth is that fortunately Natalee's family has the finances to hire a private firm. Not everyone has that luxury. If Natalee were my daughter, I would exhaust all resources to find her.
The numbers searching for Brennan are down; many people, although sincere, need to return to work and their lives. I believe the official search for Garrett Bardsley was scaled back after one week. Hopefully, because it's warm weather, the search for Brennan will continue.
Prayers for both parents.
While I feel sorry for anyone missing child or adult my heart breaks a little more for the younger ones the ones unable to make their own choices & decisions the innocent little people like Brennan.
JJJJaded
06-21-2005, 12:14 PM
This is so horrible.
Prayers that this little boy is found soon.
Beyond Belief
06-21-2005, 01:02 PM
Now that they have completed the information on Terri Schiavo, we know how long she managed to live without food or water. So Brennan if he's wandering still have an excellent chance of surviving. Terri died of dehydration, one thing Brennan has is plenty of water.
I will keep praying and have hope that he'l come out of this with a 'story" to tell.
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 02:52 PM
As volunteers search the mountain for Hawkins, a lot of public speculation has focused on the question, could he have been kidnapped? Missing posters are turning up outside of Summit county, just in case the boy might somehow be in the valley.
You can see Brennan's picture and information on some of the poles in Sugarhouse Park. Investigators say, so far they have no reason to believe Brennan was kidnapped, but this effort is being spearheaded by people just in case.
Police are dealing with Brennan's disappearance as a missing person's case, saying they have no evidence that any criminal activity took place. But they say until they know what happened for sure, they won't rule anything out and will investigate all possibilities. Detectives are gathering data and want to know who was in the woods when Brennan disappeared. Brennan's mom says she doesn't feel foul play was involved.
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=213439&nid=5
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 02:54 PM
As the third day turned into the fourth night of searching for an 11-year-old Bountiful boy missing in the High Uintas, his family held out hope he will be found alive.
They know, however, the chances of survival without food or water for three days are slim.
They hope he will apply lessons from his father, who is an avid outdoorsman. But they know if Brennan Hawkins hits a point of exhaustion, he may be too weak to call out to the hundreds of people looking for him.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600143068,00.html
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 03:04 PM
The normally ankle-deep stream is the main focus of the search and the most problematic for rescuers because it's deeper than usual in many areas -- up to 15 feet deep in spots -- because of a heavy mountain snow melt. Edmunds said longer poles were brought in to aid the search Tuesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/21/missing.scout.ap/index.html
harleysnana
06-21-2005, 03:13 PM
The numbers searching for Brennan are down; many people, although sincere, need to return to work and their lives. I believe the official search for Garrett Bardsley was scaled back after one week. Hopefully, because it's warm weather, the search for Brennan will continue.
Prayers for both parents.
This is also a hard place to search.
The requirements for volunteers...
You need be at least 18 years old,
You must be in great health, and
You MUST be able and ready to do a good deal of strenuous hiking.
(unless, of course, you have a horse or ATV).
At this time there is no news. They have found no traces of him.
On land or in the water.
harleysnana
06-21-2005, 03:31 PM
Life Flight circling
Ambulance dispatched!
OHH this sounds good!
Lots of yelling, smiles & hugging! (yeah)
And family has been taken away!
Somone said he has been found!!!!
Not confirmed but this sounds soooo good!!
I will let you all know as soon as I find out!
maur33
06-21-2005, 03:35 PM
Life Flight circling
Ambulance dispatched!
OHH this sounds good!
Lots of yelling, smiles & hugging! (yeah)
And family has been taken away!
Somone said he has been found!!!!
Not confirmed but this sounds soooo good!!
I will let you all know as soon as I find out!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just knew he would be found today.... I have been praying all day.
OH I hope this is true..... :)
Timex
06-21-2005, 03:36 PM
Oh, please let this be good news!
amandab
06-21-2005, 03:48 PM
Anything? I'm on pins & needles here!!
chicoliving
06-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Fox's banner says "something found at the search site".......that's all I got, sorry.
Miss Daisey
06-21-2005, 03:51 PM
CBS news in Salt Lake saying he's been found alive. Confirmation to follow...or so they say.
Timex
06-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Says he has been found...unclear as to alive
chicoliving
06-21-2005, 03:54 PM
Thank the heavens above :) Waiting on official word but still......this is soooo wonderful!
harleysnana
06-21-2005, 03:56 PM
Confirmed!!
Alive!!
Timex
06-21-2005, 03:57 PM
Confirmed!!
Alive!!
whooooooohoooooooooo!!!!!!
chicoliving
06-21-2005, 03:59 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Yeah!! This is the way its supposed to turn out :) What a wonderful day it is :)
TexMex
06-21-2005, 03:59 PM
FOX News
Pocono Sleuther
06-21-2005, 04:00 PM
God, that is GREAT!!!!! :dance: And for all the searchers. :clap:
jodierenee
06-21-2005, 04:00 PM
:clap: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
kahskye
06-21-2005, 04:00 PM
Wow!!!! My eyes are watering up at this great news. I was beginning to think that possibly a mountain lion got him like one got that other little boy whose remains were recently found.
Praise God!!!!!!
rosario_c
06-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Thank you God!
Timex
06-21-2005, 04:02 PM
no major physical problems....how wonderful!!
rosario_c
06-21-2005, 04:05 PM
Found at a lake a distance from the camp. He walked quite a distance...
luvbeaches
06-21-2005, 04:07 PM
That's good news! It was so hard watching the mom and dad talking about thier missing son...I wasn't sure it would have a happy ending, but it looks like it did! :)
Where was he found? Is he in pretty good shape?
jpop379
06-21-2005, 04:08 PM
Ap reports that He's been found! :dance:
JTF09042
06-21-2005, 04:09 PM
Breaking on CNN
Brennan Hawkins has been found alive..no other info.
www.cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com/)
Best news I have heard in a long time, prayers are answered!
TexMex
06-21-2005, 04:12 PM
That's good news! It was so hard watching the mom and dad talking about thier missing son...I wasn't sure it would have a happy ending, but it looks like it did! :)
Where was he found? Is he in pretty good shape?
Not many details....not too far from the rock wall where he was last seen.
Apparently crossed a river to get to where he was found. Taken by Lifeflight to a children's hospital but has very minor injuries. :)
Timex
06-21-2005, 04:12 PM
news reporting no major physical injuries
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 04:12 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/happy/granny.gif I am hearing he is pretty much ok!
MISSWASABI
06-21-2005, 04:13 PM
Finally! A happy ending! :dance:
TexMex
06-21-2005, 04:15 PM
News conference shortly.
Boy Scout training pays off. Stayed alive for 4 days.
Parents had taught him to stay in an open area if he ever got lost.
Good job young man. 11yr old with much courage.
Found near Lily Lake, in 'pretty good shape'.
Usher737
06-21-2005, 04:17 PM
He is ALIVE and in Good condition, very minor injuries. He is at a children's hospital.
News confrence coming up shortly!!
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 04:20 PM
A scout missing for days in the Uinta Mountains has been found alive. Crews are on the scene along near Lily Lake.
A Life Flight helicopter and crews on ATV’s are in the area. It is unclear what condition Brennan Hawkins is in at this hour. One EMT at the search command post says Brennan Hawkins is "just fine".
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_171111037.html
TexMex
06-21-2005, 04:23 PM
Reports are his first words to rescuers were: "I want to talk to my Mom"
Saying it was about 2mi from where he was last seen :clap:
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 04:23 PM
Volunteers have been called back to the command post. Unconfirmed reports say that Brennan was found near Lily Lake, about 3 miles from the East Fork of the Bear River Boy Scout Camp Area.
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=213507&nid=5
browneyes
06-21-2005, 04:24 PM
Whew!!! I am so relieved. :woohoo:
Anniegirl
06-21-2005, 04:25 PM
Tears of Joy, joy ,joy!!!!!
What a survivor this little boy is!
Seeker
06-21-2005, 04:26 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4634117/detail.html
Missing Boy Scout found Alive
luvbeaches
06-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Wow, that is such good news! Thanks for all the info. I'm not near a tv right now...
mysteriew
06-21-2005, 04:29 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2815492
A medical helicopter was dispatched from LDS Hospital early Tuesday afternoon to retrieve the boy, who was reportedly in good condition, according to KUTV 2News.
KatherineQ
06-21-2005, 04:31 PM
WOOHOO for Brennan!! Thank God for answered prayers.
I'm so curious to find out what happened to him, if he can put together a really clear idea of what happened that caused him to be so lost.
*tears*
What should come of this, hopefully, is to give each scout a pocket whistle, a loud, loud lifeguard quality whistle, so if this happens again finding the child will be quicker.
NewMom2003
06-21-2005, 04:43 PM
Wonderful News! Thank you Lord!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
I just wish there were more happy endings like this one.
TexMex
06-21-2005, 04:44 PM
Father is on helicopter with his son. Mother will meet them at the hospital.
Grandparents and uncle are about to give some more news.
Brennan in 'very good condition'.
Parents and Brennon's siblings are with him.
Thanking Kevin Bardsley... (I think this is the man who's
own Boy Scout son disappeared last year and has never been found.
Beardsley was en route to assist the search effort within 30 mins of being informed that this young boy was missing)
Family just saying Thank You to all who searched and prayed for Brennan's
safe return
Casshew
06-21-2005, 04:44 PM
Amazing!! Thank goodness a happy ending
Isanywheresafe?
06-21-2005, 04:46 PM
WOOHOO for Brennan!! Thank God for answered prayers.
I'm so curious to find out what happened to him, if he can put together a really clear idea of what happened that caused him to be so lost.
*tears*
What should come of this, hopefully, is to give each scout a pocket whistle, a loud, loud lifeguard quality whistle, so if this happens again finding the child will be quicker.
Katherine that is a great idea. Since we camp alot and my kids are small that would be something so great to teach them now.
I watched about this child last night and just cried at the pain from the mother and said a prayer that he would be found. I am so glad that this was a happy ending.
Finally a happy ending! Thank God he's OK!
:woohoo: :woohoo: :clap: :clap:
harleysnana
06-21-2005, 05:01 PM
He was wet, dirty and hungry.
They guy that found him said that he told him
he had seen the people on horses but that he didn't
know they were looking for him, and he was kind of scared
and didn't dare aproach them.
He is a little dehidrated. His family is with him.
As soon as they found him he downed a bunch of water and
ate all the granola bars the searches had with them!
And then he wanted to play
games on one of the searchers cell phone!!!
Trino
06-21-2005, 05:08 PM
he told him he had seen the people on horses but that he didn't know they were looking for him, and he was kind of scared and didn't dare aproach them.
Glad this story has a happy ending. Why wouldn't he suspect they were looking for him? I wonder how he was finally found.
I believe there's an ATV Trail near Lily Lake. He may have somehow taken that.
TexMex
06-21-2005, 05:09 PM
Sheriff:
Brennan was found by volunteers and was 'extremely hungry and thirsty and wanted his mom'
Not taken by helicopter but by ambulance. Mother and father were reunited with their son before he was taken to hospital. Sheriff said it was really some reunion. The parents had prepared themselves for the worst anf then found their son!
He never crossed the river but did climb over a big ridge and has travelled several miles to just south of Lily Lake.
The uncle said that on Sunday literally thousands of citizens came out on their day off to search. Sheriff says about 500 vols were searching today.
LadyLuck
06-21-2005, 05:16 PM
I am so happy, crying tears of joy. Thank you Lord for watching over this little boy.
blueclouds
06-21-2005, 05:24 PM
He was wet, dirty and hungry.
They guy that found him said that he told him
he had seen the people on horses but that he didn't
know they were looking for him, and he was kind of scared
and didn't dare aproach them.
He is a little dehidrated. His family is with him.
As soon as they found him he downed a bunch of water and
ate all the granola bars the searches had with them!
And then he wanted to play
games on one of the searchers cell phone!!!
CORRECTION: IT was confirmed by the Sherriff that he was NOT WET at all and did not know where that rumor came from.
Miracles still do happen on earth. Thank you God.!
PrayersForMaura
06-21-2005, 05:26 PM
I bet he was very scared! Goodness!
Thank God he's been found alive and well!!
This is honestly the best thing I have heard all day long.
Best Wishes to him and his family and all the searchers who have endured these past four long days.
ewwwinteresting
06-21-2005, 05:27 PM
Glad this story has a happy ending. Why wouldn't he suspect they were looking for him? I wonder how he was finally found.
I believe there's an ATV Trail near Lily Lake. He may have somehow taken that.
My guess is that he was so bashful (the way his father described him), he didn't think that strangers would be looking for him. Oh, so happy that he was found alive and safe! And great idea about the whistle...should be a required item when camping/hiking.
harleysnana
06-21-2005, 05:36 PM
CORRECTION: IT was confirmed by the Sherriff that he was NOT WET at all and did not know where that rumor came from.
Miracles still do happen on earth. Thank you God.!
Saw the interview with the man that found him!
He took off his wet clothes and put on a dry shirt he (the man)
had!
I think this man might know more about it than the Sherriff!
Thanks!
ewwwinteresting
06-21-2005, 06:01 PM
Saw the interview with the man that found him!
He took off his wet clothes and put on a dry shirt he (the man)
had!
I think this man might know more about it than the Sherriff!
Thanks!
Do you have the link to that interview? Would love to see it.
kahskye
06-21-2005, 07:09 PM
Do you have the link to that interview? Would love to see it.
I'm curious about that too. Fox news reported that the man who found Brennan did not want to talk to the public.
lady-eowyn
06-21-2005, 07:29 PM
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
I am so happy about this!!
And I agree with the whistle idea. I carry a whistle with me anytime I go hiking in the woods, especially way into the back woods. It's just something I've done for a long time :)
Boyzmomee
06-21-2005, 07:47 PM
Sheriff:
Brennan was found by volunteers and was 'extremely hungry and thirsty and wanted his mom'
Not taken by helicopter but by ambulance. Mother and father were reunited with their son before he was taken to hospital. Sheriff said it was really some reunion. The parents had prepared themselves for the worst anf then found their son!
He never crossed the river but did climb over a big ridge and has travelled several miles to just south of Lily Lake.
The uncle said that on Sunday literally thousands of citizens came out on their day off to search. Sheriff says about 500 vols were searching today.
I'm in tears. This is so womderful!
And I'm positive his mom wanted him too!
Sassygerl
06-21-2005, 08:12 PM
I'm curious about that too. Fox news reported that the man who found Brennan did not want to talk to the public.
That's what I heard too...also, he was wearing a sweatshirt in the video on the stretcher....which is what he was said to be wearing when he went missing.
blueclouds
06-21-2005, 08:23 PM
Saw the interview with the man that found him!
He took off his wet clothes and put on a dry shirt he (the man)
had!
I think this man might know more about it than the Sherriff!
Thanks!
OK... but I was just stating what the Sherriff had said and he stated that he just came from seeing the boy and he wasn't wet and was still wearing the clothes he was lost in. So whatever I suppose. It's a minor detail.
Mygirlsadie
06-21-2005, 09:26 PM
OK... but I was just stating what the Sherriff had said and he stated that he just came from seeing the boy and he wasn't wet and was still wearing the clothes he was lost in. So whatever I suppose. It's a minor detail.
This is so awesome! He is alive and he is totally ok I don't care wet/dry, sweatshirt,:D no sweatshirt he is safe and sound..Thank you thank you thank you God!!!!!!! :HappyBday
ThoughtFox
06-21-2005, 09:49 PM
Just saw the good news on AOL! :clap: I'm so glad he's alive!
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Still there are some questions about just what happened out there. :confused: Why was the boy too scared to answer the searchers? Why hadn't his parents told him to stay put if he was lost?
CNN Wolf Blitzer Transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/21/wbr.01.html
Sherrif David Edmunds: And he was -- very disoriented obviously and didn't know what to do. At some point he traversed that ridge. I don't know if it was the first night, second night -- I don't know when, but at some point he crossed that mountain, which seems unbelievable to me and certainly well outside the parameters that we initially set. It just -- it really blows all of the statistical data that we know out of the water.
Marthatex
06-21-2005, 10:14 PM
This is truly wonderful; it's great to see such good news for a change. All those volunteer searchers are wonderful. :dance: :dance:
spygirl
06-21-2005, 10:47 PM
That's good news! It was so hard watching the mom and dad talking about thier missing son...I wasn't sure it would have a happy ending, but it looks like it did! :)Yeah, and such a cute kid too, waving at the cameras. ;)
Camper
06-21-2005, 10:56 PM
He did fine, he was smart. Nancy had great coverage on him.
WE always had great silver whistles for each of our children on lanyards, and they wore them around their necks when we went camping. They knew they were to blow them IF IF there was a mighty problem. Never lost any of our eight adventuresome children while camping.
Happy, happy news!!!!!!! Made my heart sing. Betcha he donut do whatever he did again, to get lost that is.
My oldest 'kid' is 44, and I still worry that she donut know enough to come in outta the rain, hee hee. Just kidding, I am a mother hen first class. My philosophy is that you can never worry enough, hmmm.
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amandab
06-21-2005, 10:58 PM
Just saw the good news on AOL! :clap: I'm so glad he's alive!
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Still there are some questions about just what happened out there. :confused: Why was the boy too scared to answer the searchers? Why hadn't his parents told him to stay put if he was lost?
CNN Wolf Blitzer Transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/21/wbr.01.html
I thought I had read at some point that Brennan was delirious...I know I would be after 4 days without food or water.....
deespoohbear
06-21-2005, 11:44 PM
Absolutely the best news of the week! Praise God! :woohoo:
Ticamom
06-21-2005, 11:59 PM
What great news !!!!!! :)
Thank you Lord Jesus !!!!!!!!!!
Leila
06-22-2005, 12:20 AM
I've been following this story since it broke.....didn't know there was a board here at Websleuths for missing people, until just now. This was the best news of the week! I'm so glad there was a happy ending to this story! :)
On another board it was announced that Brennan's family will be on the Today program tomorrow morning.
harleysnana
06-22-2005, 01:21 AM
I'm curious about that too. Fox news reported that the man who found Brennan did not want to talk to the public.
I know he said he didn't want to talk but
the reporters caught him as he was heading down the mountain.
He still had on his helmet.
Our local news also did an interview with him tonight from his home.
He said he didn't want to do the press confrence... and be considered a hero
but he did talk to the news.
*Edited to add links*
http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_2815621
"EMTs also removed his shirt, which was soaked, and gave him an orange sweatshirt then wrapped him in a camouflage blanket. A cowboy offered him a black baseball cap."
More pictures from today
http://extras.sltrib.com/tribphoto/galleryPhotos.asp?GID=FOUND_0621&sort=Gallery
Also a picture of Forrest Nunley... the man who found Brennen
http://extras.sltrib.com/tribphoto/gallery.asp?ID=12736&GID=FOUND_0621&Pubdate=&sort=Gallery
Forrest is on the top right of the article
http://www.kutv.com/topstories
Beyond Belief
06-22-2005, 01:47 AM
Welcome Home, Brennan,
We are so proud of you for being so brave!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Please know that you are loved by many people you have never met.
God Bless You!
Friends in Florida
Maybe So
06-22-2005, 08:30 AM
Such good news. He looks overwhelmed by the attention in some of the pictures he looks unhappy or scared to me.
Scary though to hear that he heard searchers and was afraid to respond to them.
Makes you wonder how many lost kids didn't get found because they were afraid to come out or respond to the searchers?
I wonder if this is a common phenomenon?
Reminds me of the story of the 4 year old Australian boy Stephen Walls who actually eluded thousands of searchers for 4 days when he was lost.
We need to balance our telling of kids to be afraid of strangers and let them know that in certain circumstances they may have to trust strangers and that if they are lost they need to stay put and not keep moving....and to answer the people calling for them.
Beyond Belief
06-22-2005, 08:53 AM
Such good news. He looks overwhelmed by the attention in some of the pictures he looks unhappy or scared to me.
Scary though to hear that he heard searchers and was afraid to respond to them.
Makes you wonder how many lost kids didn't get found because they were afraid to come out or respond to the searche