TN-Tabitha Tuders - 13 - missing since 4/29/03

[Kelly]

http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?s=2704096

December 16, 2004

Metro Police are investigating e-mail sent to Channel 4 News concerning the location of Tabitha Tuders. The now 14 year-old girl has been missing since April of 2003. Channel Four's James Lewis received the e-mail.

Based on the tip, a police cadaver dog sniffed through the woods in Montgomery Bell State Park, trying to find the remains of Tabitha Tuders.

E-mail sent to Channel 4 indicated her remains were near a small tree.

We get quite a lot of e-mail here [at Channel 4]. But when you get something like this, you really take it seriously. And so do the police.

Metro Detective Ronnie Brannom says they get about a tip a week. So far nothing has turned up.

"We'll go back over and see if we have anything that corresponds with this description," Det. Brannom said.

The e-mail was fairly explicit: a guard rail inside the park, description of the vehicle, and the suspect.

It was signed "NLNNFN", an anonymous account at Yahoo, but police say they check out all leads.

"Oh right. That's correct. We've got to investigate every lead like it's the real deal,” Det. Brannom said.

Meanwhile, the Tuders are getting ready for Christmas, but without their little one.

"Christmas is not the same without her but we have our grandchildren, our other two children to think about, too," said Tabitha’s mom Debra Tuders.

Police say they've received other phony clues like this but for the Tuders family, it's especially hurtful.

"You know, that's something I don't understand, why people send disturbing things like that because we're already hurting enough as it is," Tuders said.

Tabitha's picture is on the Christmas angel on top of the tree. A purple angel. Tabitha's favorite color.

Metro Police, the TBI and the FBI are using computer experts to determine who sent the e-mail.


http://www.tabithatuders.net/ is the new family website. It is still in progress, but feel free to sign the guestbook. After hearing news like this, the family could surely use some kind words. Thank you.
Kelly

[Kelly]

http://www.tabithatuders.net/

[Rocky]

I hope this email turns out to be from Tabitha and the boy she ran away with...


she's tired of hiding and is trying to get the case closed so she can start going outside again...

[Rocky]

hmmmm...

NLNNFN

remember her love note...

different initials this time... NLN & NFN

could she be going under a married name now?

[Gabby]

Bumping for Tabitha's Family

[tuppence]

I was trying to find a thread on a missing girl from Tennessee (I think) - a Tabitha Tudors (not sure on last name). Does anyone know where it is?

[amandab]

Bump!

[amandab]

I just bumped it & brought it to the front.

Thank you for remembering Tabitha.

[Kelly]

Project Jason announces that Tabitha is the current 18 Wheel Angel campaign. Her campaign will continue through February 15th.

18 Wheel Angels is a national missing person's locator program in which truck drivers or other business travelers are recruited to place posters of a specific missing person along the way as they travel.

For additional information, please see:

http://www.projectjason.org/18wheel.html

You do not need to be a truck driver to help please posters.

You can also help by telling any truck drivers or trucking companies you know about this program.

Please also visit Tabitha's website at
http://www.tabithatuders.net/index.htm .

Thank you.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org

[dannyodie]

hopefully the police will do some more investigating into this case. After many weeks and months of going back over the people that we have had suspicion of that could have had something to do with her disappearence, I feel very strongly on one person. that person moved from tennessee one week after she went missing, and leading up to her disappearence he was in the process of moving. his co-worker indicated he moved to new york to get married, he is not american, nor is he afro american, he is of a eastern nationality or there and about. from a distance he does appear or could appear to be afro american. tabitha from time to time would go to that market to get things, sometimes alone, other times with her mom, this man at some point and time made a sexual comment to an eleven year old girl, sometime shortly after the kid told her dad, he then went down there to confront him, this guy told the father that in his country they have relationships with very young girls, and even said that they marry young teens and preteens, and then he ask the father " what do you all do here?" the father replied that here " we kick your ***" and that was about the end of all that... one time when tabitha and her mom were there the man ask if tabitha was her child, she said yes. tabithas house is a very short walk to the market, lets say no more that about 300 yds or so. the co-worker lives across the street that divides her street from his street about 200 ft or so. the co-worker is of the same nationality but a bit older than the one that moved to new york, the one that moved is late 20s to maybe mid 30s. he lived not more than a mile or less from the market. he knew tabitha and that is to scary to think of, I see in my minds eye this man making some sort of offer to her to maybe help him over at the house for just a moment for what ever reason and maybe was going to reward her with free snack food and so on at the market, her favorite snacks were those slim jim beef sticks.. I feel she would go along with him, since she felt comfortable with him being the friendly man he was to the young kids in that area. I fear that is where she was attached at this mans house not far from the safety of her own house... since this man was moving it would be easy for him to dispose of her body, in a large box, or a large trash recycle bin which were everywhere in that neighborhood, these things aren't used by everyone for the reason that they were put out for, lots of folks put home trash in them and others used them for yard work, a container I am talking about would be more than large enough to place a child the size of tabitha in it and just roll it right into a moving van, if he didn't use one of those she would have been small enough to place in a box or wrapped up in old carpet or whatever, I feel he used the dumpster container at the market to dispose of her, it set right along side the store and there would not be anyone think anything of him putting stuff in the container, one he worked there, two he was in the process of moving, and three, there were lots of new small houses going up right next to the store, so there wouldn't be anyone look at him as doing something like discarding trash and so on, he then could keep an eye on it till the container was picked. he knew which days that it would be dumped. the police learned of him through us that were doing the searches and talking to all in the area. I think that the police finally tracked his phone number down and called him in new york and ask questions over the phone, I feel this is not the way to do a investigation, they should have at least gone there or had other agencys to look in to him. if he is the one, he just got away with murder. I sorely feel that little tabitha is no longer with us here, but her spirit and memory is. a boyfriend of her sisters would be the only other likely person that she would trust, the cops have given him a lie detector test, I think he passed, so has a lot of other guilty folks done the same and came out clean, maybe a voice stress test should be done in place of the other type of test. tabithas abductor knew her and knew that she would get in the car. I hope the police will re-open this case and look at it differently. the police have had lots of leads but none of them have turned up anything new. some months back someone sent an email to channel 4 news and we thought this would be the closure the family was seeking, but nothing ever came of it.

[dannyodie]

bump for tabitha and her family.

[dannyodie]

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=3011461, new story on tabitha tuders. if this is her maybe the police and fbi can find this girl and find out for sure. god bless tabitha and her family.

[close_enough]

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=3011461, new story on tabitha tuders. if this is her maybe the police and fbi can find this girl and find out for sure. god bless tabitha and her family.

wow, it DOES look like her :eek:

[englishleigh]

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=3011461, new story on tabitha tuders. if this is her maybe the police and fbi can find this girl and find out for sure. god bless tabitha and her family.


Oh, MY!!!! The resemblance is very striking!! I pray this is her and they can finally bring her home!!!

[CaliKid]

Johnny,

I found several possible links for you to follow up on, now I really feel she has been kidnapped and being pimped out. this is what I was talking with you about before, "Man accused of forcing girls into prostitution"

"DETROIT, Michigan (CNN) -- Detroit police have arrested a 32-year-old man, accusing him of kidnapping girls and forcing them to be part of a prostitution ring, authorities told CNN Wednesday."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/01/15/prostitution.ring/index.html

this is an older case, but along the same lines of what I suspected from the start with Tabitha I've done some websearches and came up with some scary sites with users with the same nicks... here's one of them.

http://www.mds.mdh.se/~ent94hlm/musik/chatt/lesthugschatt.htm

and another

"Marihuana Guestbook
... GHETTOGIRL <GHETTOgirl5@sms.at> ... love-tyler Tyler Webb <tyler__webb@hotmail.com> Union City, TN, US - Monday ... 207.150.217.79/gbook/volume57.htm "

one of the chatrooms in Georgia had a tabitha and Ghettogirl that had been members this year... another site of interest that was recently closed...

http://www.virgin.net/chat/chatredirect.html

"Craig David guestbook entries
... Name: GHETTO GIRL E-mail: GHETTOGIRL@HOTMAIL.COM Submission-comments: LOVE YA CRAIG AND ... If never come memphis tn one day just holla that are town drop email to ..."

another thing they should be watching for is if she used her middle name on her posts... and her writing will stand out, she is just a child trying to act big and tough... like this, anger showing in her writings. many people don't realize that yahoo has chatrooms available to children like this one...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ATeeNsGroup-Megs-Pics/messages

it has both sexygirl and ghettogirl from Tennessee listed as registered users on one of my searches.
This is from the first page of this thread, posted two years ago. Look where that man was from- Michigan! Makes you go "hmmmmmm".

[johnny]

Odd that most of these girls are listed as 18. It like we're supposed to believe that these young girls look 14 or 15 and are waiting until they are 18 to take up this type of living.

You would think that some law enforcement would at least be trying to contact these girls and find out who they really are, plus they move these girls from location to location, state to state.

Sorry folks I knew about this but couldn't release it to you guys until last night!

More is coming out. An article will be out tomorrow and channel five just had a news break at 5:00pm.

[johnny]

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New Information in Tabitha Tuders Case
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:04:56 PM

There's new information in the Tabitha Tuders case.



Family members confirm they've taken polygraph tests and Tabitha's older sister has failed several of them.


Tabitha Tuders disappeared in April of 2003.



She was last seen leaving for school and walking to a bus stop in East Nashville.


Sources tell NewsChannel 5 the girl's parents have passed polygraphs, but Tabitha's sister Jamie has failed some of them.



Tabitha's mother says she does not understand what the police department is doing and why they keep going after her daughter.


“Well, she's failed them and she's passed one and she's failed two, three, and you know I don't know why she keeps failing them, but I know Jamie had nothing to do with Tabitha's disappearance or nothing,” said Debra Tuders, Tabitha’s mother.


Metro Police won't comment on the polygraph tests, but they will comment on a photograph NewsChannel 5 has obtained.


A woman who appears on an escort service's website in Michigan resembles an older Tabitha Tuders.


Police do not believe it's her.


Family members also don't think it is Tabitha.

[kholloway]

Oh, I pray that this is Tabitha! My thoughts and prayers are with all the Tudors family.

Kathy Holloway

[Tristan]

Is there any news on Tabitha? That girl in the picture looked sooooo much like her! That girl, whether she is Tabitha or not, looked so very sad.

[dannyodie]

it sure looks like tabitha, the eyes, nose and chin are almost exact, channel 5 reported that the police believe it isn't her, just like they said she was a runaway from the start. I hope that the police do more than just say that it isn't her. I almost feel this could be her, have to realize that people that do this to kids know how to alter their appearence, and stress and possible drugs being forced on her would certainly have some outcome as to what she would really look like now. I would post a link to that website here, but I don't remember or know all the forum rules here on websleuths. anyone that would want it, just send me a private message and I will send it that way. there are more than one pic of her and each one you see looks more and more like her.

[KatherineQ]

it sure looks like tabitha, the eyes, nose and chin are almost exact, channel 5 reported that the police believe it isn't her, just like they said she was a runaway from the start. I hope that the police do more than just say that it isn't her. I almost feel this could be her, have to realize that people that do this to kids know how to alter their appearence, and stress and possible drugs being forced on her would certainly have some outcome as to what she would really look like now. I would post a link to that website here, but I don't remember or know all the forum rules here on websleuths. anyone that would want it, just send me a private message and I will send it that way. there are more than one pic of her and each one you see looks more and more like her.

It sure would be helpful if they had a picture of the Victoria girl, where you could see her teeth - Tabitha's teeth are VERY distinctive and it seems like that would answer it once and for all.

[alpharee]

I don't think they look that much alike.
The nose, eyes and lips are nothing alike to me.

[CaliKid]

The look alike to me. And what's with the family- first they say it looks like Tabitha, then they claim it doesn't. LE needs to hunt this Victoria down and find out once and for all. Better to learn that their daughter willingly went into prostitution than to fear she's dead.

[johnny]

First off the family wants to believe that this is Tabitha but at the same time don't know. Remember the most recent picture " which was used on her poster" is over 2 1/2 years older than the one of "victoria". Tabitha has a birthmark on her stomach and we can't see that. Her hands and arms are the same and Tabitha does not have an athletic frame the same as "victoria". About her teeth being distinctive you are right and that would be great! Odd that none of the others on this site look anything like her!

How much would she change in 2 years with this type life of lifestyle?

Bottom line could it be her.........any chance at all?

[lisan1373]

Where is the website referenced, where the other pictures of "Victoria" are displayed?

Thanks, in advance,
LN

[johnny]

http://eros-michigan.com/sections/escort.htm

Again Caution to the VIEWER!!!!!


Here is the site.

[KatherineQ]

WOW. That looks just like her. The pictures aren't clear enough to see a "scar" on her finger, but wow that girl looks like Tabitha.

[lisan1373]

Thank you for providing the site. I'll wait till I get home to view it. :bang:

[johnny]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyGirl
The interview I'm talking about was from two nights ago, (I believe), on Nancy Grace. Her voice sounded weak, her eyes appeared to me to be red & puffy, and she frequently wiped tears from her eyes. I think her pain might be magnified by all of the what-ifs that are going through her mind.

It may be that she's answering questions because they've been on so many interviews at this point that she knows those answers now although not by experience or interaction. I don't really find that odd.

I don't know why she wasn't informed initially. I've heard so many conflicting stories ... that she wouldn't have known where they were; that they didn't know where she was; that her & Jessica talk on the phone; that her & Jessica have no contact; that she sees Jessica once in a while; that she hasn't seen Jessica in 6 years ... on and on and on.

For me, the bottom line is whether or not she's a suspect. For me, she appears not to be. It could be that you saw her on a different interview(s). I only saw her the one time.



I remember something about when the FBI finally located Angie, she didn't even recognize her own daughter's photo. I thought that was bizarre. I saw some younger photos of Jessica and she doesn't look that different. And she looks just like the father, IMO.
__________________

[johnny]

Never-Ending Grief

Police turn their attention to Tabitha Tuders' older sister as the family cries foul

http://www.nashvillescene.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?story=This_Week:News:Never-Ending_Grief

In October 2003, six months after Tabitha Tuders vanished without a trace from her East Nashville neighborhood, her older sister, Jamie, shared her grief in a heart-wrenching note on an Internet message board.

[johnny]

Never-Ending Grief

Police turn their attention to Tabitha Tuders' older sister as the family cries foul

http://www.nashvillescene.com/cgi-b...er-Ending_Grief

In October 2003, six months after Tabitha Tuders vanished without a trace from her East Nashville neighborhood, her older sister, Jamie, shared her grief in a heart-wrenching note on an Internet message board.

[dannyodie]

bump for tabitha and her family.

[emma l]

http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/9622.asp

"There's new information in the Tabitha Tuders case.
Family members confirm they've taken polygraph tests and Tabitha's older sister has failed several of them.
Tabitha Tuders disappeared in April of 2003.
She was last seen leaving for school and walking to a bus stop in East Nashville.
Sources tell NewsChannel 5 the girl's parents have passed polygraphs, but Tabitha's sister Jamie has failed some of them.
Tabitha's mother says she does not understand what the police department is doing and why they keep going after her daughter.
“Well, she's failed them and she's passed one and she's failed two, three, and you know I don't know why she keeps failing them, but I know Jamie had nothing to do with Tabitha's disappearance or nothing,” said Debra Tuders, Tabitha’s mother.
Metro Police won't comment on the polygraph tests, but they will comment on a photograph NewsChannel 5 has obtained.
A woman who appears on an escort service's website in Michigan resembles an older Tabitha Tuders.
Police do not believe it's her.
Family members also don't think it is Tabitha............""

An article I found whilst "googling " Tabitha today. Its about 3 weeks old I think- some of you may have read it......... I really hope her sister ahd nothing to do with it- this must be killing her family. I hope Tabitha comes home soon. xxxxx

[RCOOKE]

I exchanged e-mails with Tabitha's sister over a year ago. She requested a link be added on Rachel's site to Tabitha's web site. She was very concerned with finding her sister and I don't feel she had anything to do with it.

This is probably a good example why polygraphs are not admissible in court. They are mainly used by LE to try and get a confession out of someone who fails the test.

[emma l]

I totally agree Robert. They are only ever used on chatshows here in the UK............
Also, as an actor we did a little bit on lie detector tests at Drama School and they proved how easily it is to fool them and get unclear results............... Stress and general worry can send these things off the radar and I personally can't think of a more stressful situation than the one Tabithas sister is in now.
Also you can fool them- if you believe what you say enough then it will register as truth-regardless of whether it is or not- some people can also fool them because they have a laid-back personality so it takes an awful lot to register anything on a polygraph. There are loads of reasons why polygraphs are not admissable in court.........

I think about Rachel all the time by the way, I often go running in my neighbourhood and I'm in my 20's. I was born on May 1978. I'll never forget Rachel. This has made me extra vigilant.............. I hope you find her. x

[dannyodie]

metro police will soon turn this case over to the cold case unit, there has been no positive leads in some months now, there are some other remote sources that are attempting to help in this case, the cold case unit has two of metros best detectives. that will be a fresh set of eyes and minds to work this case. we all still hope and pray for this family that some answers come one day. god bless tabitha and her family...

[RCOOKE]

I hope the cold case detectives can been new ideas to Tabitha's case. I usually don't think there is much hope to bring home someone safe who has been gone this long but something has made me think that Tabitha is still alive.

[Kelly]

NCMEC has done an age-progression photo of Tabitha. You can see it on her poster. Please print one and place it for Tabitha and her family. Thank you.


Poster (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=961685&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US)

Kelly

[Mrs_Norwood]

The girl, Victoria, she is similiar, but I seriously doubt this girl is Tabitha. Though she is petite, she really does look 18. Her body looks more mature though than her facial features. I don't know anything about escorts, but I would think that if she were 14 years old, she wouldn't have a body like that and that girl has a tan, a tattoo, possibly a color job, I bet works out at the gym a lot and all that takes money which Tabitha would need and being out on her own, she wouldn't have much of. I just think this girl is a girl who is from a richer family or can at least afford the nice things she has. I could be wrong of course.

[Kelly]

Project Jason moved Tabitha's site to a new server (compliments of findmonica.org) well over a month ago, and no one else has signed her new guestbook besides me. Please let the family know that Tabitha has not been forgotten by signing it.

http://www.tabithatuders.net/index.htm

Thank you.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org
Voice for the Missing
http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/

[docwho3]

Project Jason moved Tabitha's site to a new server (compliments of findmonica.org) well over a month ago, and no one else has signed her new guestbook besides me. Please let the family know that Tabitha has not been forgotten by signing it.

http://www.tabithatuders.net/index.htm

Thank you.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org (http://www.projectjason.org/)
Voice for the Missing
http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/
By way of being helpful to the website:
Someone needs to tell the webmaster of that website (http://www.tabithatuders.net/) that the flyer pics dont show up on the webpage because the image source link was accidently coded wrong. The actual file name ends with capital JPG instead of lower case letters but the link is coded with lower case links. I have experience in this little problem & so if they just recode the link to match the file name ending (or just change the file name ending to match the coding of the image source tag) the pics will then show up. Also the images on that girl's site are very poor quality. Any chance of them redoing those? Larger properly colored images might be a help to the public.

[Kelly]

Thanks, doc.

I let the webmaster know.

Kelly

[johnny]

Bump for Tabitha!

Evans Duvall Dotson know something, and someone should find out.

[tuppence]

Bump for Tabitha!

know something, and someone should find out.


Who is Evans Duvall Dotson?

[johnny]

He is Tabitha's sisters boyfriend (and father of her daughter) who lived in the home a few months before Tabitha went missing. He worked nights at the time stocking shelves at a K-Mart and called the house around 06:00 that morning. He got off work at 07:00 that morning. His grand father went missing almost two months prior and he was supposed to be looking after him. He was found two weeks later dead about a mile and a half from his home. This was after he moved out of the Tuder's home. He has never been helpful and Jamie (the sister) has protected him from being questioned.

[Kelly]

And so, have you pointed this out to LE, Johnny?

[johnny]

The police know but have never shown much interest in him, and him and her sister even lived in Tabitha's room. Actually Jamie was living in Tabitha's room at the time she went missing.

Keep asking and I'll answer what I know.

[Mr. E]

Can you clarify? The boyfriend (Dotson), the sister (Jamie), and Tabitha were all living in the same room? Or did the boyfriend move in after Tabitha disappeared?

[johnny]

Evans and Jamie had lived with the Tuders for approximate six months from around July of 2002 to aorund Christmas of that year. Jamie remained living there for about a year and a half longer. The last picture taken of Tabitha was Easter a nine days before she went missing, also Evans was in that picture (at the Tuders home) He came by often and was one of the few people who had taken her to school. A boy who was at the bus stop that morning said he saw Tabitha cross in front of a red car driven by a black male with a baseball cap and get into the car, the car then did a u turn and left in the direction of Tabitha's home. This description meets that of Evans. And is the only one associated with the family which meets that desciption was off work called that morning had previous private contact with Tabitha. Also the boy at the bus stop was very matter of fact with his desciption and has remained consistent with his account.

[Usher737]

Evans and Jamie had lived with the Tuders for approximate six months from around July of 2002 to aorund Christmas of that year. Jamie remained living there for about a year and a half longer. The last picture taken of Tabitha was Easter a nine days before she went missing, also Evans was in that picture (at the Tuders home) He came by often and was one of the few people who had taken her to school. A boy who was at the bus stop that morning said he saw Tabitha cross in front of a red car driven by a black male with a baseball cap and get into the car, the car then did a u turn and left in the direction of Tabitha's home. This description meets that of Evans. And is the only one associated with the family which meets that desciption was off work called that morning had previous private contact with Tabitha. Also the boy at the bus stop was very matter of fact with his desciption and has remained consistent with his account.

Do you know if LE ever searched his car for evidence?

[johnny]

He borrowed cars at random, from his friends to his Aunt's or even Jamie's and hers is the only one that might have been searched.

One of the most alarming comments for me was to here that "she used to worship Evans and then one day she couldn't stand to be around him". "qoute" from Tabitha's grandmother, no one seems to know what or why the sudden change in attitude towards Evans.

Something else which hasn't been explained, Tabitha had a small photo album that she kept pictures in and the album was found but all but two photos were missing. Did she take them or was someone trying to hide what was in the pictures? Maybe they were just misplaced. Her best two friends saw the album and pictures Sat. the 26th and Sun. the 27th before she vanished.

[Usher737]

From the information Johnny provided this guy seems to be a prime suspect. Sounds like a possible sexual assualt occured and then he killed her to prevent her from telling anyone. It is very odd that he called the house at 6:00 am the morning she disappeared. I wonder where he could of disposed of the body?

[Mr. E]

Regarding the missing photos:
Since the friends saw them, could they give a description of what was in them?

I really hope that Tabitha is alive and being kept somewhere. I really wish she could be returned to her family.

[dannyodie]

From the information Johnny provided this guy seems to be a prime suspect. Sounds like a possible sexual assualt occured and then he killed her to prevent her from telling anyone. It is very odd that he called the house at 6:00 am the morning she disappeared. I wonder where he could of disposed of the body?
evans grandfathers house which has been vacant and cleared out of the belongings is still to me a possible place that tabitha could have been taken too and assulted there and then maybe even killed there. the property just behind the house is heavly wooded and could be a prime place for a search which has never been looked at. this location is somewhat remote enough that he might not have even been noticed going there. if he were no one would have payed much attention to him since the house was being cleared out. I myself went to that location and looked around, the property next door has folks staying there and I was never even noticed there, at least I did not see anyone paying me any mind being there. your thoughts are just around the same thoughts that I have had, I believe that at some point and time, evans had made some sexual advance towards her and that is the reason she started being distant from him, she used to go to his sisters house on the opposite end of town to babysit and I believe that is where the misconduct took place, I then believe that tabitha spoke to her sister about it and the word got back to him thru jamie. I believe he decided to take some action to make sure she did not go further with telling the story to her parents or even a friend. evans knew her bus stop and the time she would going to it. I believe that jamie is protecting him in some way or another, he might have even made threats to her that if she told anything he would harm her, maybe the phone call that morning was to tell jamie to let tabitha know that he would pick her up and take her to school that day, to those that know a bit of the story, maybe that is why tabitha was wondering up and down the road as if she was looking for someone? maybe for him or maybe for some of her friends? johnny, I have been by the k mart store several different mornings, there is a small red car there during the time around 6ish or so. could be a good fit of discription that the little boy gave, older model and looks as if it has been maintained.

[Usher737]

Wow!! That house and those woods need to be throughly searched. I highly doubt he went to great lenghts to hide the body or other possible evidence. LE needs to follow this up immediately!

[Bobbisangel]

Wow!! That house and those woods need to be throughly searched. I highly doubt he went to great lenghts to hide the body or other possible evidence. LE needs to follow this up immediately!



From everything that I've read in the last couple pages it is like reading a blue print to what happened to Tabitha and where she can probably be found. It does sound like Jamie isn't being honest. She may not believe that her boyfriend did anything wrong and so is covering up for him...maybe he wasn't really with her when she said he was or something like that.

Tabitha liking Jamie's boyfriend and then suddenly not liking him and not wanting to be around him is a huge red flag. I wonder if she was ever asked why the change of heart? I don't know what LE has to lose by going out to that grandpa's home and property to take a look around. It just makes common sense to me. Maybe they have checked it out but haven't said anything about it. So many things about this boyfriend just stand right out. Is he still Jamie's boyfriend?

[dannyodie]

From everything that I've read in the last couple pages it is like reading a blue print to what happened to Tabitha and where she can probably be found. It does sound like Jamie isn't being honest. She may not believe that her boyfriend did anything wrong and so is covering up for him...maybe he wasn't really with her when she said he was or something like that.

Tabitha liking Jamie's boyfriend and then suddenly not liking him and not wanting to be around him is a huge red flag. I wonder if she was ever asked why the change of heart? I don't know what LE has to lose by going out to that grandpa's home and property to take a look around. It just makes common sense to me. Maybe they have checked it out but haven't said anything about it. So many things about this boyfriend just stand right out. Is he still Jamie's boyfriend?
if he is still seeing her it is not known. the property that his grandfather lived on is in another county so metro police would not have jurisdiction in that location, they would have to have the sumner county police involved. if I understood correctly, evans was no where around until 1 day after she went missing, says that the family didn't like him, so why was it ok the next day for he and jamie to be sleeping in tabithas bed? why is jamie being deceptive when ask if she met evans and one other person at the storage facility at rivergate mall the day she went missing? the clerk varified that jamie did in fact meet two black males the afternoon of her disappearence, I wonder if maybe they took a large rubbermaid chest of sorts so as they could put her body in it? evans certainly has been a circumstancial fellow, one, he was considered a suspect in his grandfathers disappearence, and now is a person of interest in tabithas case as far as I am concerned...

[Bobbisangel]

There seem to be to many unanswered questions concerning both Jamie and her boyfriend. It's hard for me to even imagine one sister knowing something about her sister's murder and her not telling...then I think of that Karla from Canada and the part she played in her little sister's death. Thank God it doesn't happen to often and blood is usually thicker than water.

I wonder if LE is even looking at the boyfriend or if they ever did? Unless they know something that we don't know it seems like they blew it. It seems like the FBI could have gotten involved and they could have checked out the grandpa's house and property. I guess if LE weren't looking at the boyfriend as a suspect they wouldn't have had an interest in his grandpa's house and property. I wonder if they did put Tabitha is a large container and do something with that. Sad that she hasn't been found.

[dannyodie]

There seem to be to many unanswered questions concerning both Jamie and her boyfriend. It's hard for me to even imagine one sister knowing something about her sister's murder and her not telling...then I think of that Karla from Canada and the part she played in her little sister's death. Thank God it doesn't happen to often and blood is usually thicker than water.

I wonder if LE is even looking at the boyfriend or if they ever did? Unless they know something that we don't know it seems like they blew it. It seems like the FBI could have gotten involved and they could have checked out the grandpa's house and property. I guess if LE weren't looking at the boyfriend as a suspect they wouldn't have had an interest in his grandpa's house and property. I wonder if they did put Tabitha is a large container and do something with that. Sad that she hasn't been found.
le did question the boyfriend and I think he was given a lie detector test and passed it, but one of the scheduled ones he missed it and had to re schedule to take it. jamie " her sister " has been deseptive on some of the questions ask of her, either stress and emotions got in the way or someone else related to there circle of friends that we don't know about is being kept secret by her. it is strange that the day she went missing jamie meets two black males at a rivergate storage place jamie told police that evans was one of them, the lie detector given to him indicates that he was truthful when they ask him if he met her there, his answer by the way was " he did not meet her there" so who were the two, and why did they need access to it, jamie and evans stuff was the only stuff there? and what did they need from it that day? le hasn't searched the grand dads place nor the property behind it, myself and a few others has been to that location and searched the grounds, shortly after she went missing the roll off dumpster in front of the house was gone thru by two of our search volunteers and nothing was found. the property behind the granddads house belongs to someone else but is remote enough to hide a body in. the one thing that makes this a non stranger abduction is the fact that as soon as the car pulled up tabitha went directly to it and got in, that is a good indicator that she knew that face and felt a level of trust in them. evans got off work at 7am that morning, he called jamie at 6am, the kmart store is maybe 10 miles away if not a little less, would take him less than 15 or so minuts to make that drive to her neighborhood, he could have been setting at a location watching for her to leave the house. he knows that neighborhood very well and felt comfortable driving around it. the area she went missing is not remote by any means the street is about 35 ft wide with house down both sides of it, these house set close to one another. so the person that picked her up did not let that bother him, he felt as though he fit right in and no one would pay much mind to him.

[dannyodie]

http://www.wilsonpost.com/displaystory.aspx?pageid=/stories/News.story.2005.11.24.02.27.10

body found in wilson co, 30 to 40 minutes out of nashville

[Montanagirl]

I can't get the link to work. Does any one else know anything about this body?

[amandab]

http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/15792.asp

I'm assuming this is about the same body........

How long has Tabitha been missing now? They think the body could have been there as long as 13 months.....

[KatherineQ]

http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/15792.asp

I'm assuming this is about the same body........

How long has Tabitha been missing now? They think the body could have been there as long as 13 months.....

It's seems possible he could have missed seeing the carpet last year when he went through there with a tractor - it also seems like, just looking at the shoes would be a pretty clear positive/negative for the Tuder family.

Putting a body under carpet like that, seems like something someone would do really hurriedly, as if not to waste much time or leave much evidence on themselves. As if it would be someone suspect already in the disappearance dumping quickly and cleanly.

[Montanagirl]

What about Heaven LaShae? how long has she been missing?

[dannyodie]

tabitha and heaven ross have been missing almost 3 yrs. heaven disappeared some months later than did tabitha. tabitha will be missing 3 yrs on april 29 of next yr. there are a staggering number of missing children and missing adults from tennessee. I haven't heard much more about the body, the link in a previous post didn't work for me. does anyone know if it is a adult/child female/male? I did hear that the body found hasn't been attributed to a missing person, these remains could be someone from anyplace across our state and used that remote location to dump the body. after all there isn't much there but one fuel stop on the north side of the interstate and nothing but country roads to the south side. please take a look at our website @ www.tnmissing.org (http://www.tnmissing.org) and go to the forum section which will load the page of our states missing children and adults.

[Montanagirl]

There are so many missing people in Tennesee! I just don't understand how so many people can just up and dissappear. Thank goodness for sites like yours where they all have names and faces. How horribly, horribly sad. It makes me want to cry.

[kholloway]

Yesterday on the radio, they told that the remains were that of a male. I hope that they identify him soon and bring closure to his family.

You are right there are alot of missing people in TN and alot that needs to be done to change the way the state deals with the missing and the unidentified.

[Montanagirl]

It your opinion, why are there so many unidentified and missing? What could the state of TN do differently?

Our state has so few missing or unidentified people that it shocks me to see the numbers in other states. We know the stories of the missing by heart and we think we know what happened to them but they have never been found. One little girl dissappeared from the yard of her rural home in a wooded area that is inhabited by mountain lions, one little boy was a victim of a serial killer (although his mother doesn't think he's dead so won't accept that he's gone so the case is still open). Everyone knows about the woman who was killed by a serial killer but has never been identified, although her killer was executed for her murder she's still nameless. Etc etc. To have so many that are missing or unidentified is staggering.

[kholloway]

In my opinion, our state does not handle missing persons cases with the urgency that they should. There is nothing that mandates how LE reacts when a missing person report is filed and thereafter. We do not have a missing persons clearinghouse. We do have a missing children's clearinghouse, but for reasons that are unclear, all the missing children are not listed on it. Our state, as well as others, could greatly benefit from the Presiden's DNA Initiative. There are no guidelines in place here to direct the state or the counties in how to handle missing persons or unidentifieds. This issue is very important, if more states would adopt the proposal to handle DNA more effeciently, I just know that closure could be brought to many families with missing loved ones.

http://www.dna.gov/m_person/model.html (http://)

In my daughter and granddaughter's case, it has taken LE 20 months to secure their DNA and only then at my very strong insistence. My granddagter cannot be listed on our state's missing childrens clearinghouse because they have to have parental consent to do so. Well, that's impossible when her parent is also missing. I don't understand after this long, why a next of kin, or the agency investigating cannot have her listed.

[Montanagirl]

How awful. It sounds as if missing people are of minimal concern. Granted, some people disappear of their own free will because they want to, but others that are taken or murdered and dumped deserve more from those that take an oath To Serve and Protect. I think a national DNA database is a very good idea, although I can see where there may be people who would think it's just one more way for the government to keep track of us. For those that have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear. JMHO

[dannyodie]

in my opinion, and I hope that the dna database that is being talked about would be this; for the folks that have missing children/adults that the family provides a personal article of that person that would contain dna material, then place that information into the data base. if at any time human remains are located, that possibly dna could be obtained and then compared to the data base. expensive yes, but our country is wasting money at an alarming speed, so why not add to it for a very good reason. families of those that are missing deserve to know if there loved one has been located or not, just think of how many jane doe and john does lay in graves across this country, and to think of how many innocent lives have gone without ever being identified, it just makes me so sick to think of. this nation needs to fight the war on child/adult abductions and put a stop to it. its hard to think of but for the time it takes to make a simple post on this website many have been abducted or murdered in this nation.

[kholloway]

Danny

You would probably find the president's DNA initiative very interesting. Click on the link in my last post and check it out. This is what I have been talking to the TN lawmakers about. There is a program that will take DNA from a family member of a missing person to go into the CODIS database. Where there is a family member, the DNA is there. Also, the initiative above, provides the federal funds for the states to take care of this, if they just would. It's just a shame that this is not taken more seriously by LE.

[Bobbisangel]

Danny

You would probably find the president's DNA initiative very interesting. Click on the link in my last post and check it out. This is what I have been talking to the TN lawmakers about. There is a program that will take DNA from a family member of a missing person to go into the CODIS database. Where there is a family member, the DNA is there. Also, the initiative above, provides the federal funds for the states to take care of this, if they just would. It's just a shame that this is not taken more seriously by LE.


Hi Kathy,
What is the excuse given for not wanting to get this DNA program going? If the funding is there then there shouldn't be any excuses. I gather that the people making the decisions haven't had a family member missing. I imagine by now you would like to take LE and shake each one until they "get it."

I'm wondering, in your case, why the FBI has never gotten involved as there is a baby involved? So many missing persons of all ages and it just seems to be so frustrating to me. I can't imagine being in your shoes + all of the other families who are trying to find answers and seem to keep hitting brick walls.
I honestly don't know how all of you keep going trying to live your lives when
there is a piece of your hearts missing and you can't get anywhere with LE or anyone else who could help you find answers. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone who has a loved one/loved ones missing.

[dannyodie]

kathy, I tried the link to the dna data base, it doesn't work for me, could you please look at the format of it and see if all the characters are properly placed?

[RCOOKE]

kathy, I tried the link to the dna data base, it doesn't work for me, could you please look at the format of it and see if all the characters are properly placed?`

If you go to the main http://dna.gov web site you can read all about the DNA initiative and Identifying the Missing. Several families of the missing have helped with this program including myself. Molly Bish's father John has been heavily involved in it.

[Tranaice]

I can't understand why they won't get this DNA program going here either. I bet if it was bredesen or some other higher up's family, the DNA program would have been up and going long ago. I think of Tabitha and Heaven often and pray that they will be found. I still wonder about Tabitha's sister's boyfriend and why her sister didn't pass the lie detector test. Would she protect her boyfriend over her sister? I just can't understand doing that. :(

[dannyodie]

I can't understand why they won't get this DNA program going here either. I bet if it was bredesen or some other higher up's family, the DNA program would have been up and going long ago. I think of Tabitha and Heaven often and pray that they will be found. I still wonder about Tabitha's sister's boyfriend and why her sister didn't pass the lie detector test. Would she protect her boyfriend over her sister? I just can't understand doing that. :(
federal money is already there for states to grab it up to get this started, we tennesseans need to work our senate people over and push for it before the money is all gone, we need this here as well as any other states need it.

[bkdianne]

Tabitha is still a child. She could NOT have known the full implication of "sexy girl" or what it would mean to older men to have a title like that associated with her. Let us also remember she is growing up in a world of Britney Spears, etc. The "ghetto girl" title could also have something to do with this hip-hop music scene a lot of the young teenagers are into.

She should not be held responsible in any way for what has happened to her.

Very good post! I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that other post about Tabitha calling herself "ghetto girl" That is a 12-13-14year old thing to do, and say, it says nothing about "her" She probably listened to "rap" music, no biggy, most kids do at that age. But "thank you" for saying she had nothing to do with her disappearance, because she didn't!

[bkdianne]

If parents took more time out of their busy life and spent a little quality time with their kids -maybe there would not be so many unsolved mysteries.

After all, if the parents commuicated with their kids more and knew what they were doing ,IMO, there would be less disappearances.

I am not putting blame on the parents, but it's kind of hard for kids to disappear if you know where there are. Telling your kids to keep in touch with you and having phone numbers where they can be reached and even cell phones makes it easier as a parent to make sure your kids are safe.[/QUOTE]


I understand what your saying, but you are in a way putting blame on the parents. My kids are grown now, but I was the same as you as far as knowing where my kids were...my house was the house all the kids came to, and thats the way I wanted it...however, when my kids stepped out the front door to go to the bus stop, especially at 12, I'm sure I didn't wait at the door until the bus picked them up...I mean, come on, how many parents think their child is safe at the bus stop? that is where Tabitha disappeared from...the bus stop...

[KatherineQ]

I have a 16 year old boy, a 15 year old boy and an 11 year old boy.

I can guess by the handles of girls they IM with which girls are which. Some girls have cute names that are nice, like littldrummrgrl, and some girls have sexualized vulgar names like candypanties. I could write a list of possible girls for each handle, and I'd get them all right. Mothers know. Their mothers must also know, if they even took a moment to look, what their daugher is doing and how she is presenting herself. It seems to me they are presenting themselves in real life similarly to how they present themselves online with the names and personas they choose.

I'm not saying girls who present themselves vulgarly are asking to be kidnapped. Anymore than women who leave purses in their cars are asking to be robbed. It's all a matter of judicious behavior, and being careful, and having someone tell you how to be watchful to reduce your odds of being victimized.

[dannyodie]

Very good post! I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that other post about Tabitha calling herself "ghetto girl" That is a 12-13-14year old thing to do, and say, it says nothing about "her" She probably listened to "rap" music, no biggy, most kids do at that age. But "thank you" for saying she had nothing to do with her disappearance, because she didn't!
thank you for supporting the fact that tabitha had nothing to do with her disappearence. due to someone elses circumstances is the reason she is gone. tabitha from what I have learned from her parents was a wonderful child, never was a problem maker, loved to watch scarey movies, but she certainly didn't care much for the rapper music much. the tuders didn't have a computer until sometime early last year. the ghetto girl thing was something someone just got started about her, tabitha wasn't a street smart child by any means and stayed close to her home, she feared the neighborhood she lived in. if any one person in my opinion had something to do with her disappearence I would have to say that the boyfriend of her older sister certainly should be looked into very closely. the tudors just want some closure to this heartache not critisizim. last year someone wrote an email to one of the news station and went through the whole skit about where her body was and the location it was placed and all that, I don't think much ever became of it, but the police did do a small search of the area described and came up empty handed, either this person knew something or was pulling a prank.

[michelle]

i have been lurking around this thread a bit but never posted, is there a website for tabitha?

[dannyodie]

i have been lurking around this thread a bit but never posted, is there a website for tabitha?
there use to be one. www.tabithatuders.com (http://www.tabithatuders.com) but I think it is down now, its a lot to look thru, but in the first few months of her missing the website was up and it was posted on this forum, at one time there was so much insult and other nasty messages that people left that the tuders took it off, but it may just be temporary.

[gingersnap]

My husband and I used to live in KY and I remember the day it came on the news about Tabitha coming up missing. So heartbreaking. I believe the new website for Tabitha is www.tabithatuders.net (http://www.tabithatuders.net) . I believe this is posted a few pages back. As I sat here tonight and read through the 14 pages of this thread I just cried. I cannot imagine walking in Tabitha's parents shoes. I had not seen a picture of Tabitha since the news when she first disappeared. I then clicked on the escort link to check out the Victoria everyone was talking about. My jaw hit the floor. Of course then I went to Tabithas website and re-looked at her pictures and wasn't convinced that was her. A very striking resemblance though. I don't remember exactly which post I read it in but there was a link to the TBI, so I am assuming that they are involved with this case. It was mentioned that local law enforcement could not legally go and search the sister's boyfriends grandfathers place as it was in another county. Couldn't or shouldn't the TBI have done this? I am still confused as to the post I read about where the sister and her boyfriend stayed in Tabitha's room. Is this after she went missing? If it is after the fact, why would the mother even allow that? That seems very strange to me. Reading through all these posts and past news articles has left me with the feeling that Jamie, the sister, knows more than she is letting on. I don't think she knows any specific facts, however I believe she knows something that for whatever reason she cannot or will not share. Also with the boyfriend. After reading that Tabitha got into a red car with a man that fits the description of the boyfriend and then another poster saying that they have been by the K-Mart where the boyfriend works and there is a red car there, mind you this is the early morning hours before the store is open for business. He has an array of different vehicles he can borrow. Does the person who seen the car at the K-Mart know if it is in fact the boyfriends car? Is there a way to sit and watch to find out? Even though this case has been turned over to the cold cases, are there still active volunteers on this case? All I know is that I never forgot this little girls name in almost three years. So I find it odd that there aren't or isn't more around that area who don't think of her now and then also, mainly the media. Are there still search teams? At all? If someone with the address of the Tuders Family would get ahold of me with an address I would like to send a card. Thank you.

Roxy

[dannyodie]

My husband and I used to live in KY and I remember the day it came on the news about Tabitha coming up missing. So heartbreaking. I believe the new website for Tabitha is www.tabithatuders.net (http://www.tabithatuders.net/) . I believe this is posted a few pages back. As I sat here tonight and read through the 14 pages of this thread I just cried. I cannot imagine walking in Tabitha's parents shoes. I had not seen a picture of Tabitha since the news when she first disappeared. I then clicked on the escort link to check out the Victoria everyone was talking about. My jaw hit the floor. Of course then I went to Tabithas website and re-looked at her pictures and wasn't convinced that was her. A very striking resemblance though. I don't remember exactly which post I read it in but there was a link to the TBI, so I am assuming that they are involved with this case. It was mentioned that local law enforcement could not legally go and search the sister's boyfriends grandfathers place as it was in another county. Couldn't or shouldn't the TBI have done this? I am still confused as to the post I read about where the sister and her boyfriend stayed in Tabitha's room. Is this after she went missing? If it is after the fact, why would the mother even allow that? That seems very strange to me. Reading through all these posts and past news articles has left me with the feeling that Jamie, the sister, knows more than she is letting on. I don't think she knows any specific facts, however I believe she knows something that for whatever reason she cannot or will not share. Also with the boyfriend. After reading that Tabitha got into a red car with a man that fits the description of the boyfriend and then another poster saying that they have been by the K-Mart where the boyfriend works and there is a red car there, mind you this is the early morning hours before the store is open for business. He has an array of different vehicles he can borrow. Does the person who seen the car at the K-Mart know if it is in fact the boyfriends car? Is there a way to sit and watch to find out? Even though this case has been turned over to the cold cases, are there still active volunteers on this case? All I know is that I never forgot this little girls name in almost three years. So I find it odd that there aren't or isn't more around that area who don't think of her now and then also, mainly the media. Are there still search teams? At all? If someone with the address of the Tuders Family would get ahold of me with an address I would like to send a card. Thank you.

Roxy
first of all, the red car that was seen at the kmart store is a very similar match as to the one the witness saw that morning, the kmart store is closed that early in the morning, but the workers that have the job of restocking shelves are there all night, the boyfriend worked there. the day she went missing the boyfriend had called her house at 630am and talked to jamie, that call was to jamies cell phone. he never supported that family in her disappearence, and he wasn't no where around for at least 24 to 30 hrs after the fact. he used cars from a couple of sources but didn't have alot of folks loaning him a car. he would use his sisters car, which we haven't been able to determine the make and type, his friends car which is not the one, and maybe his aunts car, it would be easy for him to get access to a car at the store he worked at, he could have told a co worker he needed it for what ever reason. he lived with the tuders for a period of six months, and lots of those times he and jamie slept in tabithas bed, and then a day and a half after she went missing he and jamie were sleeping in her bed, I just think that is very odd, because at the time she went missing he had not been living there for at least two or three months since he had moved out in and about dec of 2002. as far as I know there is very little volunteer efforts being made to locate this child or her remains. myself and a few others are always looking and listening as to what is being said and who is saying it. the boyfriend has no car of his own, and the car which I have observed at the store has been seen many times in the same vacinity as she disappeared from, I have recorded the tag numbers of that car and the tag numbers of several other cars that match that vehicle, a relative of a police detective that is handeling the case was given one of those numbers, but what ever became of it is a mystery, I have other numbers but until the police show a interest in looking into them I probably won't provide them, after all that is what they should be doing if they want to crack this case. myself and a few volunteers have looked around the property just outside the county line and haven't found anything. but the adjoining property is heavly wooded and is just a few steps out the back door of the house that use to be his grand dads house. his grand dad went missing some years back, he had dementia and the boyfriend was solely responsible for his care, apparently he walked off one day and was gone for days before being located within a few miles of his home frozen to death, the boyfriend was intially considered a suspect in his death. but later was considered that he had no involvement, I could go on for a very long time of the things I have learned of this case, but instead will leave it to the many post I have made as well as those that others have made.

[johnny]

Tabitha turned sixteen on Feb. 15 2006.

Upcoming: In March Bo and Debra Tuders along with Tabitha's grandmother will be appearing on the Maury Povich show, not sure when it will air.

[johnny]

Evans would have borrowed his Aunt's red car and she would have to be at work at 9:00 am, he got off work at 7:00 and Tabitha vanished at 8:00. Several sightings place Tabitha with a black male later in the morning in a green car. Its very probable that he borrowed another car.

[dannyodie]

its my belief that evans at some point in time had touched tabitha inappropriatly at his sisters house while she went there to baby sit, it is possible that maybe his best friend could have knowledge of this too. I think that is why evans moved from the tudors home because tabitha had told her sister jamie about what evans had done. jamie most likely said something to evans about this and this prompted him to move in fear that her dad would find out. evans chose to eliminate the threat by taking tabitha that morning. I feel that jamie suspects that evans is the one that took her. evans granddads old abandoned house in hendersonville some fifteen miles away was at the time being cleared out, this area where the house is, is in a remote area with hardly any other homes around and he would not be noticed to be out of the ordinary at that location. either that is where he assulted her on that morning or took her to his sisters home and assulted her there. the remote area that his grand dads house is in would offer a prime place to dispose of a body there are plenty of wooded areas behind the home that he could have easily moved her over the fence and down through the woods. jamie would not mention to anyone that tabitha told her that evans had been touching her in fear that it would certainly increminate him for her disappearence and in fear for her own life since evans would certainly cause her harm as well if not other family members. tabitha was seen that morning by sevaral folks and she was in the presence of a black male near her home, it also is a possibility that evans took tabitha to her own house and he took what ever action on her that he did and left her there while jamie looked on, then he returned his aunts car and returned to the tudors and he and jamie took tabitha to a nearby wooded area not far from there home to stash her body. there is a reason why jamie met two black males at the rivergate storage place, there is a reason why jamie can not pass a lie detector test " she knows or suspects that evans is the one " it is possible that more than two people know what happened. and when the police searched the storage place they just rummaged through it instead of going about it as a potential crime scene. tabithas body may have been temporarly placed there? but I feel the reason jamie met these two black males there that afternoon was so they could retrieve something to wrap or place tabithas body in. the above post that johnny made is supported by a neighbor in a nearby neighborhood that he saw tabitha and a black male later that morning, or it was evans and jamie later that morning. this is a solveable case and I feel with the persistance of people who care it will be solved soon.

[johnny]

It has always bothered me why the police failed to put a lot of weight to the boy who saw Tabitha get into the red car with a black male ( about sixty feet away from him) but now I think I know why they acknowledged every else who saw Tabitha that morning on her way to her bus stop. Not to mention Mr. Manning who Saw Tabitha on the same street on the same sid about sixty feet away from where she vanished (the same spot the boy and four independent dog search teams collaborate)

I believe that if the police had acknowledged Jaharm (the boy) then they would have had to issue an amber alert, and they didn't treat this as an abduction but rather a runaway. Also they didn't call Tabitha "missing" until sixty days had passed when the police conducted there first search. While all information and the volunteer search teams and individuals "SCREAMED" help a child has gone missing and is in danger!

[johnny]

Bo and Debra are flying out Monday Mar. 06 to be on the Maury Povich show and the show is sending invetigators and a psychic down this Sat. to look into the case.

[dannyodie]

johnny, just wondering, has le ever questioned craig? he also would know where tabitha caught the school bus since he and evans where close friends. it is possible that he could be involved as well. jmo. if I had to thin it down, evans would be the prime person of interest and craig would be second on the list. where did he work?

[johnny]

Craig worked for Metro Parks and according to LE he was at work that day.

[johnny]

Craig was a source of transportation for Evans though.

[Kelly]

Tabitha's parents will appear on the Maury Povich show on Tuesday, March 14th. CHeck your local listings for the channel and time.

[SchnauzerMom]

Tomorrow is the third anniversary of Tabitha's disappaerance. There is a prayer vigil at her school tonight, and a walk from her house to the bus stop she was walkng to when she vanished (2 blocks).
Now there is another missing child - far younger, in a neighboring town.
I pray for Tabitha where ever she is and hope we have a quick resolution for this baby who turned up missing Monday. At least they put out an Amber alert this time....

[wondering22]

Tomorrow is the third anniversary of Tabitha's disappaerance. There is a prayer vigil at her school tonight, and a walk from her house to the bus stop she was walkng to when she vanished (2 blocks).
Now there is another missing child - far younger, in a neighboring town.
I pray for Tabitha where ever she is and hope we have a quick resolution for this baby who turned up missing Monday. At least they put out an Amber alert this time....

Was that other missing child ever located?

If not, do you have a NAME and the location the younger child is missing from?


TIA

[dannyodie]

Was that other missing child ever located?

If not, do you have a NAME and the location the younger child is missing from?


TIA
the other child, a 3 yr old is still missing, many suspect that it may be a family member or a family friend that took the little girl from her smyrna tennessee apt. back in april.

[dulcinea]

the other child, a 3 yr old is still missing, many suspect that it may be a family member or a family friend that took the little girl from her smyrna tennessee apt. back in april.
Are you referring to Analyce Guerra?

[dannyodie]

Craig worked for Metro Parks and according to LE he was at work that day.
I HAVE BEEN THINKING THIS OVER AND OVER, IT IS POSSIBLE IF CRAIG HAS ANY INVOLVEMENT, HE COULD STILL HAVE PICKED HER UP AND WENT TO A REMOTE PARK, FOR SOME REASON I KEEP THINKING OF PEELER PARK WHICH IS AT THE VERY END OF NEELEYS BEND ROAD. THERE IS A LARGE OPEN FIELD THERE THAT GOES CLEAR BACK TO A THICK WOODED AREA. METRO PARKS STILL USES THAT AREA AS STORAGE AND SO ON. THE PARKING LOT THAT IS AT THE BOAT RAMP AREA IS REMOTE AND WALKING ALONG THE FENCE LINE WOULD LEAD INTO THE WOODED AREA. HE COULD HAVE STILL BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AS FAR AS WORK WENT, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW JUST WHAT WORK DUTIES HE HAD ON THAT DAY AND WHERE. I WOULD VENTURE TO THINK THAT IF IT WAS HIM, THEN ONE OF THE VERY MANY PARKS THAT HE KNEW OF WOULD NOT BE OUT OF THE QUESTION STILL INCLUDING SHELBY PARK AND CEADER HILL PARK. NOT TO MENTION THE VERY LARGE PERCY WARNER AND EDWIN WARNER PARKS.

[Bobbisangel]

She could be anywhere around there. There sure are a lot of places to hide someone...so many parks. I still think that the boyfriend is involved. She liked him and then didn't want to be around him at all. I wonder why she all of a sudden disliked him. The red car that was seen around the time she disappeared. LE probably aren't even looking at him now. I wonder if this case has been put in a drawer somewhere? I wish every police department had enough detectives to have at least a couple that worked on nothing but cold cases.

[johnny]

We helped in the search for Heaven Lashae Ross, And now she has been found, lets pray Tabitha will be found!

[Rle7]

Outside an east Nashville home, a poster reminds the world of 13-year-old Tabitha Tuders, a girl who disappeared in April 2003.

One of the parents of the missing Missouri boys said he wanted Saturday's extraordinary news conference to give hope to families of other missing children.

For much of the weekend, Debra Tuders watched Craig Akers talk about his just-found son Shawn Hornback. It’s like a light in the night for she and her husband Bo. She said, "We still grateful that they took time out from the situation… to try and look for Tabitha and stuff."
http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/local-family-has-hope-for-missing-daughter/71317.htm

[johnny]

Child's Family Has Hope

Jan 12, 2007 10:23 PM

The case of a child found in Missouri that had been missing for years, brought new hope Friday to a Nashville family who has been searching for almost four years for their daughter.

Tabitha Tuders disappeared in April of 2003 from her neighborhood in East Nashville.

The Hornbeck Foundation assisted in the search for Tabitha. They came to Nashville twice to offer assistance and cadaver dogs. The search came up empty, but the Tuders family said the story out of Missouri showed there was was hope.

"We're always gonna have a little big of hope," Tabitha's mother Debra Tuders said
Last year, Tabitha Tuders and Sean Hornbecks' pictures were featured on two race cars at the Highland Rim Speedway in Ridgetop.

[Amelie]

but if she calls herself Ghettogirl, it sure paints a different picture than the sweet and innocent picture we had been led to believe.

Rocky, even though this quote from you is four years old, I'm replying to it saying I don't understand how that if Tabitha nicknamed herself "Ghettogirl", she would no longer be "sweet" and "innocent".

Mindys,
I agree 100%! My youngest daughter has friends who wear t shirts that have GHETTO GIRL written on them and these are good kids. This title refers to their music.

Tylin, I completely agree.

[johnny]

She actually never called herself "Ghetto girl" anyways. But she is still missing!

[Judith.Yates]

I am a writer for examiner.com doing an ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Tabitha Tuders. I would like to interview anyone who was in her life - neighbors, friends, teachers, etc. Please contact me at the above email address or at the examiner. Believe me, ANYone can assist with this investigation, even if you have already been interviewed by the police, even if you think you have nothing to add. I have made it my mission to find the truth.
Here is the latest story - there is a series of them.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7975-Nashville-Adventures-Examiner~y2009m9d4-Jaycee-Dugard-abduction-affects-Nashville-family

[Judith.Yates]

I am a writer for examiner.com doing an ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Tabitha Tuders. I would like to interview anyone who was in her life - neighbors, friends, teachers, etc. Please contact me at the above email address or at the examiner. Believe me, ANYone can assist with this investigation, even if you have already been interviewed by the police, even if you think you have nothing to add. I have made it my mission to find the truth.
Here is the latest story - there is a series of them.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7975-Nashv...shville-family