View Full Version : OR OR - Estacada - WhtMale 1438UMOR, 20-40, Celtic Necklace, Mar'05

06-20-2005, 07:42 PM
The following items were found with the remains: a blue winter coat with a faux fur collar, blue jeans, a leather belt and a distinctive necklace.

Forensic experts who examined the remains believe them to be those of a white male who was possibly in his late teens or twenties, and who stood at least 6-foot-2, Babst said.

picture of necklace at link

01-24-2011, 05:16 PM
The original link is dead but this person is still a John Doe.

* The victim was discovered on March 24, 2005 in Estacada, Clackamas County, Oregon
* Estimated Date of Death: 2001-2005
* Skeletal Remains

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 20-40 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 6'0-6'5"; 200 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Signs of osteophytic lipping present on several metacarpals. Endocranial sutures not fused.
* Clothing: Five-pocket style button-and-zip denim jeans; leather belt; dark blue coat with ribbing at the waist and a faux fur-trimmed lapel collar. Leather belt with etched design. A distinctive necklace (pictured) was found in a pocket.
* Dentals: Available. Significant wear on dentition.
* Fingerprints: Not available.
* DNA: Available; CODIS.


His Namus page lists some ruleouts:

06-30-2011, 08:04 PM
I stumbled across this website - started looking at Oregon posts - noticed this one and went to look at the necklace. I have one that is VERY similar - the one in the picture could almost be the one my dad had made from gold melted down from our Celtic ancestors (rings etc). My dad lives in Coos Bay Oregon -

Don't know if asking my dad who the jeweler is would be of any help - but it stood out because it was not store bought but hand made.

05-12-2014, 02:00 AM
What is that second necklace? Is it some kind of stone, or a chunk of silver?

05-12-2014, 11:16 AM
What is that second necklace? Is it some kind of stone, or a chunk of silver?

I'm not sure. A bit of poking on Google tells me that silver nuggets are popular as gambling charms. They're quite common. Bulk jewelry supply places sell them for custom work, and I found one a lot like it on Amazon: Amazon.com: Sterling Silver Nugget Pendant, 1/2 inch Tall: Jewelry@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wBr27ZnnL.@@AMEPARAM@@41wBr27ZnnL

I think this is the cross, or one very similar: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-43126232369952_2271_24268329

I found it on this website: http://www.clearlycatholic.com/Jewelry1.html Scroll down to the "extra large" section.

05-12-2014, 11:40 AM
From Namus link (https://identifyus.org/cases/5659): Signs of osteophytic lipping present on several metacarpals; significant wear on dentition; endocranial sutures NOT fused, however

If I understand what I've been reading correctly, this is about the man's age. Osteophytic lipping on the metacarpals is the beginning of arthritis. Significant wear on dentition means the teeth aren't young. Endocranial sutures gradually fuse with age. There seems to be quite a bit of disagreement about the rate of fusing and whether it happens at a consistent rate (or whether it varies by sex), but there's no fusing in young adults and complete fusion in old skulls. So basically what this says is that despite the presence of arthritis and tooth wear, they don't think he was an old man.

I notice also that he's very tall. That should narrow it down some.

05-12-2014, 12:51 PM
I went through all the Charley Project entries for men missing in Oregon and came up with this list of possibles. I haven't had time yet to check their listings on other sites or find out more about circumstances etc. I included my notes and thoughts. I'm posting it here even though it's incomplete because the last time I did something like this, I managed to lose the file :p If anybody else wants to follow up, feel free :D

A possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hayward_jeremy.html. Fractured nose would probably have been noted. Not sure if the hand thing would have been detectable on skeletal remains--the description makes it sound like he was hospitalized after trying to cut his wrists but I'm guessing there. Right age, size. Time frame a bit early.

A definite possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jarvi_michael.html Jarvi went missing in 2002 and was seen around the central Oregon area several times after that.

Possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/larsen_gary.html. Larsen is the right size, age, timeframe, and went missing from Redmond, about 2.5 hours away from where the body was found. And completely subjective: he looks like the kind of man who would wear a cross.

Definite possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/manizak_thomas.html Maybe a year early on the time frame. Was traveling from Twin Falls ID to Newport OR, a route that likely took him fairly near Escatada. https://goo.gl/maps/FQPxm

Possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lopez_gordon.html. Right height and age, timeframe off.

Possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sells_scott.html Right age and time frame, from Eugene which is a bit of a haul.

Remote possibility: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/darrow_dale.html. Age and height match but he went missing in 1990, which ten years before the longest estimate for how long this man had been dead. He's wearing similar clothing, however. Went missing from Azalea, OR, which is in southern Oregon.

Another remote possibility: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/finck_gary.html The only thing that matches is that he's missing from Estacada in the right time frame.

Also remote: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wakefield_bradley.html. Size is the only thing that matches.

Distantly possible: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/love_donnell.html Right size and age, but timeframe and circumstances wrong.