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HesterMofet
06-25-2005, 11:48 AM
This is a very interesting case that I am surprised has not gotten more press. The Original Night Stalker started out as the East Area Rapist in Sacramento. He was reponsible for dozens of rapes and home invasions. He moved from Sacramento and continued his crimes, graduation from rape to murder. He murdered several couples. This case is fascinating to me because of the sheer volume of crimes committed by this man and that he was never caught.

Take a look at this website and tell me what you think(creepy):

www.ear-ons.com

miles_draken
06-25-2005, 07:10 PM
Just a theory here, but he sounds like he switched to an almost BTK style of killings after his raping days were done. This is an escalating style of killer and I don't think he would have stopped. The theory that he is dead or incarcerated would seem the most sensible, but look at the BTK situation in Witchita, he was there all along. Hopefully there can be some closure to this case.

tuppence
06-26-2005, 02:13 PM
I saw this case on Cold Cases the other day - very creepy and he is still at large....

reportertype
10-22-2005, 11:49 PM
I saw a show about this case on television also; very likely it was cold case. It stood out as high on the creep factor for three reasons. No. 1 was the voice recording he left on a victim's answering machine. Secondly, there was a bit of info mentioned in passing about a town hall meeting at which a male resident spoke out saying it was hard to believe that this person could subdue a man and a woman in their home. The show then said that man's home was the next one that the guy hit. And last, the simple fact he hasn't been caught.
I went looking for more info about the man who spoke at the meeting, then became a victim, but haven't been able to find it yet.

Mr. E
10-25-2005, 07:25 PM
That is a very scary website. The picture alone is frightening -- I haven't been able to listen to the voice. I had to turn it off. I'll wait until I am not home alone.

Richard
10-26-2005, 12:52 PM
What were the dates and locations of his suspected crimes?

Usher737
10-26-2005, 04:05 PM
Richard, according to the website, the crimes occured from 06-18-76 to 05-04-86 in California.

Azlaw
10-28-2005, 12:02 PM
I can't believe this suspect has not been caught for something and had his DNA put in the database!

They have so much information and evidence, how is it that he still isn't captured?

I think the network news stations should report on this again because I think it is definitely solvable.

Richard
10-28-2005, 04:10 PM
The schedule and pattern of his offenses is interesting. He seems to change from attacking lone women to taking on couples. Also, where was he in the summer of 1977 and the second half of the summer 1978? There is a lot of activity and then suddenly, nothing for a while.

reportertype
10-29-2005, 08:42 PM
The following is a link to a FDLE profile of the killer.


http://www.aetv.com/tv/shows/coldcasefiles/evidence/ccf46/nightstalkerprofile.pdf

Julessleuther
01-11-2007, 05:21 PM
What happened to everyone here with this discussion? Anything new on this case? I find it very fascinating and wonder if this guy is still alive?

Dr. Doogie
01-11-2007, 06:11 PM
I live in Sacramento and definitely remember this case. There was a strong rumor (repeat, RUMOR) that the EAR was actually someone in law enforcement who was involved in the investigation. I usually would completely dismiss this idea, but an interesting dynamic is in play with this case - retired local LE who were active while this was ongoing get very confrontational when the case is mentioned in casual conversation. One retired officer told one person, "Do not look into that case - Leave it alone." I find that reaction odd, to say the least.

I do know one citizen who believes to this day that he observed the EAR. The man he says is the EAR was a collector for subscribers to the Sacramento Union, a daily afternoon paper that since folded (and has recently been ressurected as a weekly newpaper). He passed this information to the lead detective on the case, but the detective was killed on-duty about a week later during an unrelated case. The witness does not know if his information ever made it into the case file or if his suspect ever was investigated. He cannot get anyone currently active on this case to verify that they have his info, but they also do not seem that interested in agressively investigating it either.

The sad fact is that Sacramento LE failed to catch this guy and that he "graduated" into a full-fledged serial killer. I do not think that they want to find this guy - they just want everyone to forget about it. Capturing him today will only point out their past failure.

Enrique Sparta
01-11-2007, 07:18 PM
i don't think it was until 2002 where they were able to connect the murders he had commited in other parts of California to the Sacramento area rapes. DNA connected them.

that website is seriously terrifying. the picture itself and yes the voice too. plus his crimes were just as scary as can be, waking people up in the middle of the night at the foot of their beds....horrible. and yes it was so creepy how he must've been at the town meeting and decided the guy speaking out against him or whatever would be his next target.

i wonder why the LE said "Do not look into that case, leave it alone."

Beyond Belief
01-11-2007, 09:33 PM
What are those noises in the background of the tape? Sound like an airport or bus station, or maybe a p. a. system in a large department store. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but this is a very interesting case.

Becba
01-12-2007, 07:26 AM
That is a very scary website. The picture alone is frightening -- I haven't been able to listen to the voice. I had to turn it off. I'll wait until I am not home alone.
I made the mistake of listening about 3 this morning and haven't been able to sleep since. The voice is intentionally terrorizing. I could not understand everything said though. Can anyone make out the whole audio? It sounds like a tv is on in the background and maybe the tape is of a retape made at the scene because it also sounds like police radio talk in the background.
The knots he tied remind me of nautical knots. Of course you would learn them in the military too.
And I agree with the poster that mentioned BTK, this guys struck me as similar. I wonder if some of the sexual assaults where done after death. And like BTK he stopped for some reason. Got married? Had a family? Became stable with work? He is not so old he won't start up again. With so many victims this case should be very active still. Hard to believe someone could get away with so many crimes.

Beyond Belief
01-12-2007, 08:46 AM
I don't think this tape has anything to do with this guy. That one break in his voice is either a muffled laugh or was sort of nasal sound. The blinging sound in the background sounds like added sounds. If its real sound its reminding of the sounds in the hospital, like when the elevator stops, makes a noise.

Also the pronunciation of Dead ta Dead ta.

I think this is fake.

Mr. E
01-12-2007, 08:47 AM
I made the mistake of listening about 3 this morning and haven't been able to sleep since. The voice is intentionally terrorizing. I could not understand everything said though. Can anyone make out the whole audio? It sounds like a tv is on in the background and maybe the tape is of a retape made at the scene because it also sounds like police radio talk in the background.
The knots he tied remind me of nautical knots. Of course you would learn them in the military too.
And I agree with the poster that mentioned BTK, this guys struck me as similar. I wonder if some of the sexual assaults where done after death. And like BTK he stopped for some reason. Got married? Had a family? Became stable with work? He is not so old he won't start up again. With so many victims this case should be very active still. Hard to believe someone could get away with so many crimes.
I thought it was a TV in the background, too. Was the music part of the recording, or was it added by the website for effect? I've only been able to listen to it once. I guess I'm a chicken at heart.

Beyond Belief
01-12-2007, 09:02 AM
i think that break in the voice is a sneeze, very little sneeze.

If thats a tv in the background its very quiet in the beginning of the tape. I thought I understood part of the womans voice saying "hanging around". I am thinking someone made a tape and played it in the phone, thus the small sneeze in the background the same time the tape is playing.

Mint Car
04-04-2007, 04:01 PM
I don't think this tape has anything to do with this guy. That one break in his voice is either a muffled laugh or was sort of nasal sound. The blinging sound in the background sounds like added sounds. If its real sound its reminding of the sounds in the hospital, like when the elevator stops, makes a noise.

Also the pronunciation of Dead ta Dead ta.

I think this is fake.

I have done extensive research on this case and that voice recording is not a fake. Police insist it is tthe ONS because several rape victims recognized the voice of their attacker. Also this is not the only time he tormented a proir victim. He was known to frequently make terrorizing phone calls to his rape victims. Read about it at
http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/county_news/article/0,1375,VCS_226_1572581,00.html

laini
04-05-2007, 01:47 PM
I read through the whole site this week (ears-ons). Very scary. When I listened to the tape, for some reason I thought "hospital" as the back ground noises. Not sure why.

I also wonderred if parts of the tape were cut out for the investigation, causing the apparent breaks in the sound.

But, what is it with the music at the end of the tape? I was assuming the website people added that for dramatic affect, and think it shouldn't have been added. (it's dramatic enough).

I also thought of BTK with the tying knots, and how this guy apparently acted like he wanted to steal things, but never stole them - kind of a like a distraction so he could think. I think I read Dennis RAder did that or something similar.

One more thing - I did'nt see this mentioned so I assume it is ruled out. But could this be the Zodiac? Didn't he get mad and say he would kill more but they (LE) wouldn't know it was him? And Zodiac also went after couples.

laini
04-05-2007, 01:49 PM
**possible tattoo on forearm of bull. Could be a big clue?


Also, I don't hear a sneeze. I just hear him say b.tch several times (I couldnt' tell what he was saying at first, but can see how that maybe sounds like a sneeze) and whore once at the end.

Mint Car
04-05-2007, 02:47 PM
He's saying "gonna kill you" over and over and then "****ing whore" and "*****". Scary. Oh, the music is because the clip was taken from an episode of Cold Case Files and that's their music.

laini
04-05-2007, 03:05 PM
He's saying "gonna kill you" over and over and then "****ing whore" and "*****". Scary. Oh, the music is because the clip was taken from an episode of Cold Case Files and that's their music.


Oh, thanks for explaining the music! I am glad the website owner didn't add it.
So, do you hear a sneeze? I don't.

Mint Car
04-05-2007, 03:14 PM
No, I don't hear a sneeze.

reportertype
04-07-2007, 08:15 PM
Has anyone read that entire story? The one linked has chapter 25 and I've searched the Web site several times looking for the rest. It pulls up certain chapters, but I've been unable to locate all of them.

Has anybody else tried this with success?

Starlight
04-09-2007, 05:36 PM
I was interested in the Night Stalker case at one point and was corresponding with a couple of people from California concerning the case. There was another man who contacted me one time about one of our local cases, and we got to talking. It turned out this second guy, whom I'll just call by his initials JDR, had been in California during the times of these crimes and had been back here in my area during the time some of our unsolved crimes were comitted. Coincidence? Possibly. There seems to be a lot of that now days. Never the less, I tracked him down. He's in a West Virginia prison right now and has been for the past 3 or 4 years. He'll probably get out within a year or so, and I expect he'll return to California -- where I anticipate the killings and rapes will resume. And by the way, he is about 5' 9", has blue/gray eyes, has tattoos, and is in the right age group to have been the guy they were searching for.
I don't know what his blood type is, but for some reason it seems he once told me he'd been in the Navy when he was younger. I figured this might be where he learned to tie the special knots.
All I know is -- I worked with the two California guys for a long, long time, but when I finally went to all the work of gathering all the information, including the time periods in which JDR was in California, and his current whereabouts, and when I handed over my information that was the end of my conversations with the two California men [one of which was a cop]. Same story all across this nation....... give us your information, get off the property, and keep your mouth shut.
That's okay. It's all documented, and I still have all the records and/or correspondence, and now everyone who visits this page will at least have this guys initials. So if or when the day ever comes that he's actually accused and/or charged with these crimes, everyone can rest assured the authorities knew who he was and where he was long ago. [PS: His last name contains ten letters]

http://users.1st.net/mwells/StarlightInnerPrizes.htm

laini
04-09-2007, 07:52 PM
Starlight,
that is very interesting! Thanks for sharing. Is this guy a known killer that we may have heard of? Also, do you know of what any of his tattoos are? Scary he will be getting out in a few years.

Starlight
04-11-2007, 01:27 PM
No, as far as I know he's never been questioned or suspected of any killings. However, I interviewed his mother in an effort to find out where he was, and that's when I learned that he was in prison in West Virginia. His mother lives in West Virginia also, and he was staying with her at the time he got into 'a little trouble,' as mama put it, and ended up 'back' in prison. She would not tell me what he went to prison for and although I tried checking the inmate records I could not get any info.
All I know is, he had an enormous amount of information about a 1986 West Virginia murder that remains unsolved. And he wanted real bad to meet me! I stalled every time because I just didn't feel things were right with him.
He seems to have difficulty holding a job and maintaining long term relationships ...... both of which were red flags to me.
I don't remember what he said his tattoos were of. I used to have a picture of him, but I'm not sure I still have it. I will look when I get a chance. If I still have it, maybe I can see one or more of the tattoos. If so, I'll let you know what they are.

flower1969
05-03-2007, 09:36 AM
That is very interesting starlight and could really possibly be him. I figure with the way he (the original nightstalker) did things he did just move somewhere else. But what a lot of people never seem to think about is he changed what and how he did it when he changed areas. I wonder has he been moving around all of these years and done it different ways because he thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else and if he does that he gets new thrills and he doesn't get linked to all of them or get caught. He would have had no idea back then about DNA but with all of the DNA stuff so in the forfront of our media he would be very careful about that now. He is not an unintelligent man. My other theory is what if he had turned evidence in to the FBI let them get someone or a group of people and they let him off. Hence the police would have been told in no uncertain terms to back off. He could be killing under the protection of the FBI without them realizing that he is still doing it just another way?

flower1969
05-03-2007, 11:34 AM
I have been trying to find if the appearance of this man changed much from the rapes to the murders. Haven't found a new description. I wonder did he change much? You know as we get older many of us get heavier or bald? Things like that. Does anyone know if the description changed?

Zobsessed
06-19-2009, 04:02 PM
Did a cursory search of the site and didn't find much of anything on the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker case. Thought I would start a thread on it. Here's a quick background from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Night_Stalker

The Original Night Stalker is the nickname for an unidentified serial killer and rapist who murdered six people in Southern California from 1979 through 1986[1]. The crimes attributed to this serial killer are not related to the crimes of Richard Ramirez, who was also dubbed The Night Stalker in the mid-1980s[2]. Six murders in Ventura, Dana Point and Irvine, California, have been linked by DNA evidence to the Original Night Stalker. The Original Night Stalker is considered one of the worst serial offenders in California, and American history, and is also connected to at least 50 other rapes in California, and is the most prolific unapprehended serial criminal in history since the Middle Ages.


There have been was a truly excellent Cold Case Files episode dedicated to this case. As well as a very recent episode of THS Investigates. Both chronicle the crimes very well. What I have always found most interesting about this case is that very little is known (at least publicly) about the main suspects in this case.

I have never heard of anyone being suspsected in this case as with other prolific Cold Cases, there are typically at least one or two prime suspects. With this one however, nada.

Would love to hear any insights on this case that anyone has.

gaia227
06-19-2009, 04:19 PM
I saw that Cold Case Files as well. They were finally able to prove the EAR and ONS were the same person right?

I was so confused by the name of the thread. I was thinking Ear-ons and imagining like fake Spock ears or something. Now it all makes sense.

Edit to add: http://www.ear-ons.com/index2.html (great comprehensive website)

gaia227
06-19-2009, 04:25 PM
Interesting. They think the same guy was also the Visalia Ransacker in 1974. The guy broke into people's houses and ransacked the place but rarely took anything. Finally he tried to kidnap a girl from her home and killed her father in the process.
The ransackings continued and LE actually almost caught the guy but he shot at them and got away.
If this really is the same guy it creates quite a portrait of the evolution of a serial killer. He started small with burglaries, moved to rape and ultimately murder.
http://www.ear-ons.com/visalia.html

CrimeSolver
06-19-2009, 09:53 PM
I could swear we had a topic on this case here already (in fact, I remember posting in it), but I can't find it either.
I, too, saw both the CCF and THS Investigates shows on the case. Very creepy stuff.

Zobsessed
06-20-2009, 01:28 AM
Interesting. They think the same guy was also the Visalia Ransacker in 1974. The guy broke into people's houses and ransacked the place but rarely took anything. Finally he tried to kidnap a girl from her home and killed her father in the process.
The ransackings continued and LE actually almost caught the guy but he shot at them and got away.
If this really is the same guy it creates quite a portrait of the evolution of a serial killer. He started small with burglaries, moved to rape and ultimately murder.
http://www.ear-ons.com/visalia.html

Definitely seems as though he got more brazen as he continued to strike. To me the absolute creepiest attack is the one on the wife of the man who, in a town meeting regarding the EAR, said "I can't believe a man would just sit there while his wife is raped and not do anything". Shortly after that town hall, he and his wife were attacked by the EAR in their home, same m.o. That means the guy was right there with them in the town hall.

I honestly can't believe this guy hasn't been caught. Given the wealth of DNA evidence in this case and the fact that they were able to link EAR attacks to ONS attacks... covers a lot of jurisdicitons. Either he completely stopped after 1986 or he died. I don't think he moved though, he seemed to really get off on being near his hunting ground. Maybe he had a life changing event kind of like say, Zodiac?

I've read on other boards that people have eluded to the fact that there is a suspect in the case, a very good one at that. But there isn't enough evidence or something. In that case, I don't understand why LE doesn't do some dumpster diving or something to pick up his saliva on a cup or whatever.

Anyone heard of any good suspects in this case? This is the type of case that makes the amateur detective in me want to go all Charles Bronson on this guy. This guy was the devil.

txsvicki
06-21-2009, 06:01 AM
I'm suprised that they don't or didn't have suspects. The sketches shown of the suspect were very good and someone should have been recognized. They even have a recorded message from the maniac. Maybe there is some tip buried among hundreds that just hasn't been found yet or was overlooked years ago.

gaia227
06-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Definitely seems as though he got more brazen as he continued to strike. To me the absolute creepiest attack is the one on the wife of the man who, in a town meeting regarding the EAR, said "I can't believe a man would just sit there while his wife is raped and not do anything". Shortly after that town hall, he and his wife were attacked by the EAR in their home, same m.o. That means the guy was right there with them in the town hall.
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I don't think I had ever heard of that before. It is indeed very creepy.
Most serial killers don't just stop without a reason like jail, death, maybe becoming religious, etc but it does happen. BTK is a good example. If he moved on and continued he must have decided to become very mobile and not concentrate on specific areas but started behaving more like Ted Bundy going from state to state.

gaia227
06-22-2009, 11:01 AM
I can't find any names as far as suspects. The Grim Sleeper in LA started killing in 1985 around the same time EAR/ONS disappeared. I think they have DNA in the GS killings too. I don't know if they have been compared. There is the issue of race as the GS is described as being a black male.

GS is interesting because his reign has continued over decades. He has reared his head again in LA recently.

gaia227
06-24-2009, 09:55 AM
Bumping!

Post, people, post! This is interesting!! One of the most prolific serial killers in US history is unknown and remains unsolved without any really good suspects.

gaia227
08-05-2009, 07:14 PM
Bumping. Cold Case Files just did a rerun of their episode about the EAR/ONS. It is truly a fascinating case. I would love to see some more discussion. There is so much focus on Zodiac and a few others which are of course interesting but ONS/EAR has raped and/or killed way more people and is one of the most prolific serial killers in American history.

The message he left on one of his victims answering machine is honestly one of the most chilling things I have heard. It literally gave me goosebumps.

Also the fact the man who stood up at the town hall meeting expressing his doubt that the ONS/EARS was able to subdue the male while he rapes his wife and then a few weeks later that same man was targeted by EAR/ONS. CREEPY. I wonder if the people at the meeting wore name tags or announced their name when they spoke at the mic or if the ONS followed this man home to find out where he lived.

As of right now investigators are still actively investigating these murders and rapes and after getting the law passed forcing inmates to give DNA samples LE are having every man on death row who fits into the age group tested.

A man like EAR/ONS doesn't just stop unless he either died, was arrested, decided to go dormant or only kill few and far between or he has become very transient committing murders all around the country so they would not be linked although I think this person likes the attention and would want people to know he is still out there and active. I mentioned before that I wonder if he could be the Grim Sleeper. Those attacks started happening about the time the ONS went dormant.

gogrannypop
08-05-2009, 07:51 PM
This is fascinating. Maybe you can add serious illness to the reasons he may have gone dormant. I am eager to read more on this. Thanks!

gaia227
08-06-2009, 10:10 AM
This is fascinating. Maybe you can add serious illness to the reasons he may have gone dormant. I am eager to read more on this. Thanks!


Yay! Someone posted! :)

In case you missed the link up there this website is great:

http://www.ear-ons.com/index2.html

He could have become terminally ill. He could have been hit by a car and is now a quadrapelgic. Something stopped him. I really don't think he would have stopped on his own but stranger things have happened. Denis Radar did but he wasn't quite as prolific. (don't tell him I said that - it would definitely hurt his feelings).

This man is a highly organized killer. The crime scenes, with the exception of one, were very organized, controlled, neat. That is in stark contrast to the crimes themselves which were brutal, violent and messy. He carefully researched his victims, seemed familar with their habits and targeted houses that were usually at the end of a block or dead end, close to a ditch which made for a quick get away on his bicycle.

He is so interesting because you can look at his history of crimes starting in the 60's and see the evolution of a killer. He went from ransacking people's houses for no reason, graduated to rape and ultimately became the most prolific serial rapist in CA history with over 50 rapes and then he graduated from rape to murder. It was not until the mid-90's LE figured out by use of DNA that The East Area Rapist and The Original Night Stalker were the same person.

txsvicki
08-07-2009, 04:15 AM
I hope he died a miserable death long ago, but I believe only that would stop him. That recording of his calling and chanting "gonna kill you" to one of his victims is frightening.

gaia227
08-07-2009, 09:45 AM
I hope he died a miserable death long ago, but I believe only that would stop him. That recording of his calling and chanting "gonna kill you" to one of his victims is frightening.


It is seriously creepy on many levels. Could you imagine having been assaulted by this man and now he is calling you; knowing that he knows where you live - he knows your phone number and worse he is thinking about you???? It just gives me the heebie-jeebies. Apparently he did it to several victims but that was the only one that was left on an answering machine.

Julessleuther
08-07-2009, 01:04 PM
I agree, he was bold. By leaving the messages, he not only was taunting the victims, but also LE because he seemed pretty secure that they would not/could not find him. It is seriously creepy on many levels. Could you imagine having been assaulted by this man and now he is calling you; knowing that he knows where you live - he knows your phone number and worse he is thinking about you???? It just gives me the heebie-jeebies. Apparently he did it to several victims but that was the only one that was left on an answering machine.

gaia227
08-07-2009, 03:43 PM
I have never heard any mention of LE trying to trace the calls. I would imagine he made them pay phones.

Seriously sick man that had/had an enormous need for power and control. When he was the EAR he would place a cup and saucer on the husband's back and tell him if he heard it rattle while he raped his wife he would kill them. When he moved on to becoming the ONS his mode of killing was brutal and viscious. It was obviously something he enjoyed doing. Beating your victims to death is a very messy and personal act. He had to have brought a change of clothes with him or something because he would have had blood all over him.

gaia227
11-18-2009, 01:59 PM
There is a thread about this guy but it never got much attention. I am going to venture to say it was because of the title of the thread; no one knew what ear-ons met. The first thing i thought of were plastic Vulcan ears. If a mod could merge the two threads that would be great.

Anyway, I have always been fascinated by this case. This guy is one of the most prolific serial rapists and killers in US history. He is especially interesting because you can see the evolution of a killer. He started out as "The Ransacker" where he would just break into people's homes and go through their stuff, then he escalated to rape and ultimately he escalated into a full fledged serial killer primarily targeting couples. It is obvious he stalked his victims before he attacked and he often kept up with them over the years by calling his rape victims and threatening them. He typically picked homes in a middle-class neighborhoods close to fields or ravines. It is thought he probably rode a bike to and from his crimes. When acting as the ONS he would bind the man and woman, sometimes forcing the man to bind his own wife and watch while she was raped. He killed his victims in a variety of ways. Some were bludgeoned to death while others were shot.

One of the creepier things this guy did was target a man who stood up during a town hall meeting expressing his doubt that one man could subdue another man and his wife. A few weeks later that very man was targeted, his wife raped, himself murdered. The EAR/ONS was at that town-hall meeting.

The one phone call he made to one of his rape victims was recorded on an answering machine. It is seriously creepy. It is in the link below.

It was not established until 2001 that the East Area Rapists and The Original Night Stalker were the same person. The crimes were linked through DNA. An astute detective assigned to the EAR always had a feeling his guy had moved to a different area and had graduated into a serial killer and he was right.

This is a great website with everything you ever wanted to know about EAR/ONS:
http://www.ear-ons.com/index2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Night_Stalker

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85498&highlight=ear-ons (original thread that went dead)

http://www.redding.com/news/2006/sep/30/killer-linked-to-area-investigator-follows-trail/

gaia227
11-18-2009, 03:44 PM
Ear/ons thread wants to know:

Why does no one read me? Why does no one feed me? Why does no one love me?

I even changed my name for you.

Julessleuther
11-18-2009, 03:55 PM
I too have found this case fascinating Gaia. I wonder if the reason he stopped is because he moved. One of the suspect descriptions states that he may have gone to U of CA Sacramento on a GI Bill. Maybe he had to do active military after that and either relocated or was killed in the Gulf war or something. Does the military take DNA from soldiers to make sure they don't have a criminal background? I would like to know more about possible suspects, as mentioned above.

Thanks!

WhyaDuck?
11-18-2009, 03:57 PM
I'd check the suicide rolls for guys matching this description around the year the rapes stopped.

gaia227
11-18-2009, 04:33 PM
I'd check the suicide rolls for guys matching this description around the year the rapes stopped.


The year the rapes stopped the murders started but I know whatcha mean. Thanks for posting!

WhyaDuck?
11-18-2009, 05:17 PM
The year the rapes stopped the murders started but I know whatcha mean. Thanks for posting!

Well, crimes, then.

Jeesh, and that's not gonna get people posting on here. :p

gaia227
11-18-2009, 08:09 PM
We are VERY literal over here in the EAR/ONS thread. As you can see from all the action.

CrimeSolver
11-19-2009, 11:39 AM
I find suicide a very unlikely outcome for a homicidal sociopath/psychopath, whereas suicide is a very high probability for a psychotic, of which EAR-ONS is not one. That does leave open the question of why his crimes stopped.

gaia, I like the pic in your sig. By the way, your link to the original thread leads to this one. I have been trying to locate the original one myself.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 12:55 PM
I find suicide a very unlikely outcome for a homicidal sociopath/psychopath, whereas suicide is a very high probability for a psychotic, of which EAR-ONS is not one. That does leave open the question of why his crimes stopped.

gaia, I like the pic in your sig. By the way, your link to the original thread leads to this one. I have been trying to locate the original one myself.


Haha - thanks! I am glad someone likes my pic!

I agree with you. I don't think this guy killed himself. I think he is too in love with himself to kill himself. He moved once. It is possible he moved again. I mentioned the Grim Sleeper attacks which started in the mid-80's in L.A. but it seems pretty likely that suspect is an African-American man.
In cases like this I am often reminded of BTK. Radar stopped killing suddenly and just led a seemingly 'normal' life. It is possible this guy did the same.

In response to Julessleuther's question I am pretty confident they did not take DNA samples from soldiers especially considering it would have been the late 80's early 90's and DNA was not really on the radar yet. It is encouraging LE has his DNA. This guy has been either incredibly careful or incredibly lucky.

KT Can
11-19-2009, 01:17 PM
We are VERY literal over here in the EAR/ONS thread. As you can see from all the action.

You are so funny gaia!

So sorry I don't post more...I'm stalking you and this thread though if that makes you feel any better. :blowkiss:

...I thought we did have another thread on this guy...I'm pretty sure I posted on that one A LOT, seriously, like one or two times at least, so there! :D

CrimeSolver
11-19-2009, 01:17 PM
Haha - thanks! I am glad someone likes my pic!
Yes, and I love cats and highly respect Gandhi too, so we have a lot of likes in common.
I agree with you. I don't think this guy killed himself. I think he is too in love with himself to kill himself.
Yes, my layman's understanding of sociopaths is that they are conscienceless and highly narcissistic. They are not the slightest bit self-aware, but rather project their hatreds and faults onto others. People who kill themselves do so because they hate themselves, are depressed, can't go on, etc. A sociopath is far too self-involved to kill himself, although it's not unheard-of.
He moved once. It is possible he moved again. I mentioned the Grim Sleeper attacks which started in the mid-80's in L.A. but it seems pretty likely that suspect is an African-American man. In cases like this I am often reminded of BTK. Radar stopped killing suddenly and just led a seemingly 'normal' life. It is possible this guy did the same.
Grim Sleeper can't possibly be EAR-ONS in my view because the M.O. and victimology are different, and the offender is almost certainly black..
Maybe you're right in your thoughts on Rader. EAR-ONS could be one of those rare serial killers who has managed to control his compulsions all these years.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 01:34 PM
You are so funny gaia!

So sorry I don't post more...I'm stalking you and this thread though if that makes you feel any better. :blowkiss:

...I thought we did have another thread on this guy...I'm pretty sure I posted on that one A LOT, seriously, like one or two times at least, so there! :D


Having a stalker always makes me feel better and I can think of much worse stalkers to have. :)

I have searched for another thread and I can't find one. I believe you, I just can't find it. I made a second thread because I thought maybe changing the name from ear-ons to what it is now might garner a little more attention and then Adnoid merged the two for me.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 01:36 PM
Hmmm, well goes to show you what a good sleuther I am! Here is another thread titled The Original Night Stalker. I would like to point out that HesterMofet (OP) was also surprised at the lack of press and attention. The last post was in 2007.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25334&highlight=original+night+stalker

There is some interesting information in this thread. Dr. Doogie mentions a strong rumour that went around was the killer was in law enforcement.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 01:47 PM
Yes, and I love cats and highly respect Gandhi too, so we have a lot of likes in common.

Yes, my layman's understanding of sociopaths is that they are conscienceless and highly narcissistic. They are not the slightest bit self-aware, but rather project their hatreds and faults onto others. People who kill themselves do so because they hate themselves, are depressed, can't go on, etc. A sociopath is far too self-involved to kill himself, although it's not unheard-of.

Grim Sleeper can't possibly be EAR-ONS in my view because the M.O. and victimology are different, and the offender is almost certainly black..
Maybe you're right in your thoughts on Rader. EAR-ONS could be one of those rare serial killers who has managed to control his compulsions all these years.

BBM

Those are my thoughts exactly. I think he is extrememly narcissitic, socially awkward, has major entitlement issues, arrogant, blames all of his problems on others and I would venture to say he has some serious mama issues. A lot of anger directed towards women. I think his anger towards men stemmed from the fact these men were able to get these women, marry them whereas he had always felt rejected and rebuffed by women. Who knows, I could be totally off.

OT:

I love cats too. I have 4 of them or rather they have me....wrapped around their little puddy paws. The pic in my avatar is Everest my eldest at 10yrs old.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Suspect Profile:
http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate7.html

Criminal Profile:
http://www.ear-ons.com/nightstalkerprofile.pdf (very interesting)

Evidence Summary:

http://www.ear-ons.com/evidence.html

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/27/chapter-25-the-dragons-lair/ Article in the Ventura County Star

I had completely forgotten the interesting fact that a lot of the homes targeted were for sale or had recently been sold. It seems likely he posed as a realtor or potential buyer in order to gain access to the house, scope it out, become familar with the lay-out and with who lived there. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he ever targeted a couple that had children did he?

I wonder how LE came to the conclusions he possible attended American River College or CA State. It definitely makes sense as to why they would think he had LE or military training. Officially he is known as the "Diamond Knot Killer."

CrimeSolver
11-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Hmmm, well goes to show you what a good sleuther I am! Here is another thread titled The Original Night Stalker. I would like to point out that HesterMofet (OP) was also surprised at the lack of press and attention. The last post was in 2007.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25334&highlight=original+night+stalker

There is some interesting information in this thread. Dr. Doogie mentions a strong rumour that went around was the killer was in law enforcement.
Thanks. That's the thread I was thinking of when I initially responded to this one. Couldn't find it for some reason. The case has garnered surprisingly scant media attention, although there was the fascinating Cold Case Files episode, and it has been profiled once or twice on AMW.
I wonder how LE came to the conclusions he possible attended American River College or CA State.
There was a compelling reason, but I don't remember what it was exactly. I think it was detailed in the CCF episode. I think there was some intriguing message scratched into a desk there, or I may be mistaking that with another case.
A lot of anger directed towards women. I think his anger towards men stemmed from the fact these men were able to get these women, marry them whereas he had always felt rejected and rebuffed by women. Who knows, I could be totally off.
Could very well be the case.
I love cats too. I have 4 of them or rather they have me....wrapped around their little puddy paws. The pic in my avatar is Everest my eldest at 10yrs old.
What a cutie. We have two, quite old at 14 and 15 years old. One is a sweetheart, and playful and naughty even at his age, while the other is a shy loner who lies in the basement by herself.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 03:18 PM
here is the cold case files episode:

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (part I)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (Part II)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (Part III)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (Part IV)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Part V)

CrimeSolver
11-19-2009, 04:00 PM
^Notice how Bill Kurtis's narration has been replaced.

gaia227
11-19-2009, 04:38 PM
Really??? I did not watch any of them (yet). Why would they do that?

I was SO pissed when A&E took CCF off at 6:00pm est and replaced it with CSI:Miami. Now CCF is on at 5pm, while I am at work, so I never get to watch it any more. Poor me.

annemc2
11-19-2009, 05:47 PM
I'll tell you how bad the EAR-ONS case freaked me out - I was too scared to even POST on the old thread! And then I got all paranoid that the poster called "Mint Car" (which of course I could construe as a creepy name b/c I was already nervous) actually MIGHT BE the perp and....just whoa.

Completely freaked me out!

CrimeSolver
11-19-2009, 05:50 PM
Really??? I did not watch any of them (yet). Why would they do that?

I was SO pissed when A&E took CCF off at 6:00pm est and replaced it with CSI:Miami. Now CCF is on at 5pm, while I am at work, so I never get to watch it any more. Poor me.
Kurtis had a falling out with A&E (i.e. they fired him for whatever reason), but I think the different narrator in the videos you posted can be chalked up to the videos' originating from a U.K. broadcast.

I wish A&E and Kurtis would start producing new eps of CCF again. I miss it. "The First 48" and "Crime 360" are not satisfactory replacements.

reportertype
11-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Annec at least two other posted speculated the same thing about Mint Car.

The GS issue could be settled. DNA testing now can pinpoint racial makeup.

This case has long fascinated me. Add me to those who are seriously creeped out by the recording AND esp. the guy at the town hall meeting. To answer a question raised about that: I have covered more of these types of meetings than I could count and never once has anyone used name tags. At official meetings, you were required to give your name and address but not at one like this. He may have given his name but it's most likely he was followed home and "taught a lesson." I believe the man expressed disbelief that just one person could manage these crimes.

Does anyone remember if there was LE speculation that this guy made his getaway on a bicycle at least some of the time? It had something to do with his ability to disappear very quickly and not be seen or heard.

Glad this case is getting some interest. I was sad that no one seemed interested when the other thread was going.

CrimeSolver
11-23-2009, 10:22 AM
Does anyone remember if there was LE speculation that this guy made his getaway on a bicycle at least some of the time? It had something to do with his ability to disappear very quickly and not be seen or heard.
If I recall, many of the rapes were committed in dwellings that backed onto dry concrete canals, and speculation was he used those canals as escape routes.

gaia227
11-23-2009, 04:30 PM
IIRC EAR/ONS liked to target houses close to fields, in cul-d-sacs, near ditches or drainage canals for what LE believed to be an easier getaway. It was speculated that EAR/ONS used a bike as opposed to a car. There was an eye witness who saw a man riding away from a crime scene dressed in all black one night and it is thought this could have been EAR/ONS.

Thanks for input reportertype regarding the town hall meeting. How incredibly creepy is that? The only explanation is that EAR/ONS was at the meeting and he followed this man home. It would be interesting to find out if that crime scene and the area differed from his normal MO.

It also gives me the cold chills to think about the fact he kept up with some of his rape victims. I just can't imagine how those women felt. To go through an ordeal like that and then have your rapists calling you and telling you that stuff in his creepy voice. That is about one of the more frightening scenarios I can think of. I think the last contact with EAR/ONS was the message he left on his victims answering machine in the early 90's. There is a recording of it on the website I posted and also on the CCF episode.

reportertype
11-23-2009, 09:37 PM
Thanks CS and gaia. I couldn't remember how the bike came into play. ITA about keeping up with victims, meaning they were victimized more than once. I always assumed he had attended the meeting to keep up with the investigation and his press. This case gives me chills.

Bennettras
06-19-2010, 04:21 PM
I think the dog has a bigger role in the trasition to different areas in some of the crimes. The fact that the dog is brought there says something. Also, does anyone know if the police looked at men who were scout leaders who had sons or stepsons in the area. The diamond knot is one learned by scouts. I have followed this case for a very long time. This man is very smart and cunning. I believe he has a family, kids or neices and nephews, a job and a double life, much like Gilbert escobedo, who didn't kill, but was able to lead two separate lives. This EAR/ONS though is much smarter. I believe that he is also the ransacker. I believe he has family members that know and are afraid to come out (IMO a maternal figure). I believe he has some connection with scouting or boating, law enforecement or real estate. Also, I will try to find the link, but, allegedly, the townhall meeting that was shown in the documentaries is not the townhall meeting that the gentleman attended who could not believe in the way these crimes were going down. Apparantly these are pictures of a different meeting, used for emphasis, and the other town hall meeting was not photographed. Again, I will try to find the link. Additionally, I believe, IMO, that the EAR/ONS was sexually abused by a male, or males during his childhood, and his main female figure, mother, whoever he was with (female) that was supposed to be his protector, did not protect him in reality, or, in his mind.

Bennettras
07-20-2010, 01:52 AM
I also believe he is the ransacker. Very cunning individual.

Bennettras
07-20-2010, 01:59 AM
IIRC EAR/ONS liked to target houses close to fields, in cul-d-sacs, near ditches or drainage canals for what LE believed to be an easier getaway. It was speculated that EAR/ONS used a bike as opposed to a car. There was an eye witness who saw a man riding away from a crime scene dressed in all black one night and it is thought this could have been EAR/ONS.

Thanks for input reportertype regarding the town hall meeting. How incredibly creepy is that? The only explanation is that EAR/ONS was at the meeting and he followed this man home. It would be interesting to find out if that crime scene and the area differed from his normal MO.

It also gives me the cold chills to think about the fact he kept up with some of his rape victims. I just can't imagine how those women felt. To go through an ordeal like that and then have your rapists calling you and telling you that stuff in his creepy voice. That is about one of the more frightening scenarios I can think of. I think the last contact with EAR/ONS was the message he left on his victims answering machine in the early 90's. There is a recording of it on the website I posted and also on the CCF episode.

Gaia227 -
yes, this whole case is creepy. The fact that he kept track of some of his victims, like Gilbert Escobedo did, may tell us that he has some power assurance issues, other than the fact he is just a, well, you know,......I'm still not quite sure how far I can go here. This Person is definitely in the know as far as the investigation went and has gone. How truly horrific. Thanks for the post.

colette
07-21-2010, 05:33 PM
It would be great if familial DNA could catch EAR/ONS like it caught the grimsleeper.

colette
07-21-2010, 05:35 PM
There are 2 different threads about this killer, maybe somehow they could get combined.

Bennettras
07-29-2010, 11:12 PM
It would be great if familial DNA could catch EAR/ONS like it caught the grimsleeper.

Oooohhhh Colette,

what if the lady that did the DNA for BK, were to run the DNA for the EAR/ONS? Is that even possible? Holy Moly!!! Who do we ask?

Bennettras
07-30-2010, 10:26 PM
KT Can,

Do you know who to ask about doing this? OMG.

Bennettras
08-12-2010, 08:41 PM
I just listened to the tape of the phone call the EAR/ONS left on a victim's vm at http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate7.html. Who added the music? It sounds like a TV show possibly did it to add extra fear in presenting it. Any site you know of where it can be heard without the added music? Also, at the listed site it reads that his blood type is A. Which scene did this come from?

Bennettras
08-19-2010, 01:55 AM
Bumpity bump

colette
08-25-2010, 10:43 AM
The new ear/ons book is now out, mostly covers all the rapes. Written by Larry Crompton who was a detective on the rape task force. Worth buying, but could have had more about the murders.

http://ear-ons.com/SuddenTerror.html

gaia227
08-25-2010, 03:44 PM
Thanks for posting Colette. I agree, a more comprehensive look at EAR/ONS would be more interesting. One of the more interesting things about him is you can see the evolution of a serial killer - starting presumably as the Ransacker, graduating to the East Area Rapist and finally as a full-blown killer, Original Night Stalker.

SunnieRN
08-25-2010, 10:50 PM
There is a thread about this guy but it never got much attention. I am going to venture to say it was because of the title of the thread; no one knew what ear-ons met. The first thing i thought of were plastic Vulcan ears. If a mod could merge the two threads that would be great.

Anyway, I have always been fascinated by this case. This guy is one of the most prolific serial rapists and killers in US history. He is especially interesting because you can see the evolution of a killer. He started out as "The Ransacker" where he would just break into people's homes and go through their stuff, then he escalated to rape and ultimately he escalated into a full fledged serial killer primarily targeting couples. It is obvious he stalked his victims before he attacked and he often kept up with them over the years by calling his rape victims and threatening them. He typically picked homes in a middle-class neighborhoods close to fields or ravines. It is thought he probably rode a bike to and from his crimes. When acting as the ONS he would bind the man and woman, sometimes forcing the man to bind his own wife and watch while she was raped. He killed his victims in a variety of ways. Some were bludgeoned to death while others were shot.

One of the creepier things this guy did was target a man who stood up during a town hall meeting expressing his doubt that one man could subdue another man and his wife. A few weeks later that very man was targeted, his wife raped, himself murdered. The EAR/ONS was at that town-hall meeting.

The one phone call he made to one of his rape victims was recorded on an answering machine. It is seriously creepy. It is in the link below.

It was not established until 2001 that the East Area Rapists and The Original Night Stalker were the same person. The crimes were linked through DNA. An astute detective assigned to the EAR always had a feeling his guy had moved to a different area and had graduated into a serial killer and he was right.

This is a great website with everything you ever wanted to know about EAR/ONS:
http://www.ear-ons.com/index2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Night_Stalker

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85498&highlight=ear-ons (original thread that went dead)

http://www.redding.com/news/2006/sep/30/killer-linked-to-area-investigator-follows-trail/

Snippet from the last article you posted:

In 2001, the San Francisco Chronicle quoted retired Sacramento County sheriff's detective Richard Shelby as saying the rapist called one of his victims in 1990 or 1991.

Shelby told reporters the victim heard children in the background and a woman speaking, possibly indicating the rapist had a family.


This guy is exceptionally creepy! I grew up in Contra Costa County, later living in Sacramento. I remember reading and hearing about all of these cases. LE always warned not to leave any doors or windows unlocked.

It is truly amazing the number of serial killers in the US. Scary, very scary. I went to American River College. A student had been killed. I often wondered if the EBR was responsible.

I also remember when I was in Junior High and we were not allowed outside for PR due to threats that the zodiac was going to kill students. Those were scary times for sure.

I REALLY wish I had NOT listened to that recording!

Bennettras
08-30-2010, 02:14 PM
Snippet from the last article you posted:

In 2001, the San Francisco Chronicle quoted retired Sacramento County sheriff's detective Richard Shelby as saying the rapist called one of his victims in 1990 or 1991.

Shelby told reporters the victim heard children in the background and a woman speaking, possibly indicating the rapist had a family.


This guy is exceptionally creepy! I grew up in Contra Costa County, later living in Sacramento. I remember reading and hearing about all of these cases. LE always warned not to leave any doors or windows unlocked.

It is truly amazing the number of serial killers in the US. Scary, very scary. I went to American River College. A student had been killed. I often wondered if the EBR was responsible.

I also remember when I was in Junior High and we were not allowed outside for PR due to threats that the zodiac was going to kill students. Those were scary times for sure.

I REALLY wish I had NOT listened to that recording!

Thanks for posting. How scary to have been in the area and having the Zodiac on top of that!!!! Whew! Any victims in your immediate near your home?

I am reading the new book out about this case. Very readable and concise.

SunnieRN
08-30-2010, 09:25 PM
Zodiac murders occured very close to where I grew up. Some of the places I had even been to with my family or friends. It was truly a scary time! One of our neighbors worked at an independent newspaper in Contra Costa. Someone claiming to be the zodiac called the paper a few times, but they could never prove if it was him of course.

Zobsessed
11-03-2010, 11:05 PM
Has anyone read "Sudden Terror" by Larry Crompton? Crompton was the Sherrif of Contra Costa County during the height of the EAR attacks.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1452052417/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

I'm very tempted to order it but I would like some feedback on it. For some reason I'm feeling drawn back into this case...

kemo
11-05-2010, 11:31 AM
Surprizingly well written, lays it out pretty well. He "keeps to the facts", doesn't offer a lot of analysis. In the end, he doesn't solve it and he doesn't offer up any good suspects.

Zobsessed
11-30-2010, 03:23 PM
I have been trying to read up on the AEtv board about this case and gather some information since I tend to obsess over this case. I'm really curious to know if there is a concensus about the age of EAR-ONS. When listening to that answering machine recording, it has always struck me that that voice sounds very young. Potentially meaning that EAR-ONS would have been no older than 17-18 when he began his crime spree. And maybe earlier if the Visalia ransacker is the same perp (and I believe he was).

That would mean that EAR-ONS is no older than his early 50's. There is still a very good chance of catching this guy. Which leads me to my next inquiry. It has been speculated by profiler or two that he is either dead or incarcerated for a lesser crime (than murder). Because he would be unable to stop. But I wonder, if he was silent for 6 years or more and then called an old victime in or around 1991 wouldn't that lend credence to the idea that he perhaps just stopped and wanted to do that for old times sake?

I guess my point is, I do not think he's dead or incarcerated. I believe that LE in California has probably scoured the books on similar profiles of inmates and done DNA tests etc all for nothing. Which makes me totally think he's out there, he regressed into suburbia. Which is terrifying. He's someone's neighbor, father.

The way to catch him is to keep the story out there. I have not doubt he still lives out there somewhere in Cali..he's there, just have to find him.

CrimeSolver
11-30-2010, 05:05 PM
I'm really curious to know if there is a concensus about the age of EAR-ONS. When listening to that answering machine recording, it has always struck me that that voice sounds very young. Potentially meaning that EAR-ONS would have been no older than 17-18 when he began his crime spree.
I agree with you that the voice sounds like that of a younger man. Maybe this has been discussed already (I haven't looked at this case in a while), but how are the police so sure this caller is the real thing and not some teenage crank caller?
My feeling is that the ONS is a somewhat older and more experienced perp (at least late-20s, 30s, perhaps as old as 40s), because how else could he repeatedly be so successful in incapacitating a couple - a woman and a man? Surely one of the mature male victims in the ONS cases would have said to himself, "This is just a kid with a knife; I can take him out. I sure won't let him tie me up".

Zobsessed
11-30-2010, 07:15 PM
I agree with you that the voice sounds like that of a younger man. Maybe this has been discussed already (I haven't looked at this case in a while), but how are the police so sure this caller is the real thing and not some teenage crank caller?
My feeling is that the ONS is a somewhat older and more experienced perp (at least late-20s, 30s, perhaps as old as 40s), because how else could he repeatedly be so successful in incapacitating a couple - a woman and a man? Surely one of the mature male victims in the ONS cases would have said to himself, "This is just a kid with a knife; I can take him out. I sure won't let him tie me up".

You make a great point. I guess I just figure that when awoken out of a deep sleep with a gun in my face I'll pretty much stop and listen.

I seem to recall hearing/reading that victims did confirm that it was his voice on the tape, for sure. And that he seemed to be trying to disguise his voice.

:+:MrTT:+:
11-30-2010, 09:26 PM
...
Absolutely Incredible.

First time reading about this case. Ten years over 60 plus victims, including 10 or more murders. Committed by the same man over a ten year period. And DNA evidence like i have never seen before!

Ive read some, watched some videos, and listen to the recorded phone conversation.

The phone conversation, i would say though speculating it was him. I think the whole tape was not released, and he say something in the beginning to let her know it was him without a doubt. Plus there were3 others, whom recognized the voice as the Demon. I believe them!

But this article if true from the following link.

http://www.redding.com/news/2006/sep/30/killer-linked-to-area-investigator-follows-trail/

...quote...
Detectives hosted town hall meetings after the Sacramento rapes to address residents' concerns. At one meeting, a man stood up and boldly proclaimed that he could protect his wife from the rapist, Whitmeyer said.
The couple were the rapist's next victims, Whitmeyer said.
...End of quote...
Coincidence?


I wonder what the odds would be on that?
That his next victims would include the man whom mentioned the above. Could it have happened by chance? Perhaps.

But i think more then likely he was there, at that meeting, and took what the man said personally. And decided to follow them after the meeting, to see where they lived if he did not know that already?

He picked those areas, because he was more comfortable in these types of areas, because he may had grownup and or lived/lives in an area such as his victims all his life. And knew how to blend in, and act in public while stalking his victims in these neighborhoods. Theirs an outside chance, though only LE would know, if many of the victims knew one another, through a club they belonged to, and church members, or some other social gathering where he could mingle and contemplate possible victims at these gatherings. Especially early on, when there were only single women at home, whom were raped but not killed.

Its just hard for me to believe that they all were just random victims, unknown to the Demon.

This person, when caught if he is still with us in the physical and not already sent to hell, will be someone that was NEVER suspected of being able to do something like this. Some will find it Shocking it was him mentality. Someone now who is a pastor, or a outstanding member of the community, or even a long time boy stout member, to use as examples.

This person talked about the crimes like everyone else was at the time. But never drew suspicion towards themselves to be caught and charged. Hes not lucky, Hes just EVIL!

I read the poem. The reason they never could find anything on it, is because it was a poem about himself, victims and other things from what i could tell.

He Loved the terror he created! To see the horror being felt in his victims eyes, and tears, when pleading for there lives. He enjoyed the created terror more then the rapes or murders themselves.

What a Monster!

Add on 1...
I believe hes more towards the age of 60 or so now.
And lived in the area at the time most of the crimes were committed that was linked to him with DNA.
He always seemed to know where to go etc, to avoid capture even when chased in these neighborhoods.
Since several of the crimes, especially rapes early on occurred during early morning hours. If he did hold a regular job, he may have been working a second shift job, which enabled him to plan and attack while the victims were asleep. He always seemed to know when they would be asleep and so forth.


THE ABOVE ALL MOO AND SPECULATION ON MY PART.
NOTHING POSTED AS BEING FACT UNLESS OTHERWISE KNOWN TO BE.

Ambercat
02-28-2011, 06:32 PM
I had wondered if EAR-ONS was responsible for the murder of Patricia Neufeld in Garden Grove, CA on November 22, 1978. There are similarities between the cases and (according to http://www.ear-ons.com/crimes.html) there weren't any EAR-ONS attacks in the Sacramento area from November 5, 1978 until the early morning of December 2, 1978.

Richard
04-12-2011, 08:39 AM
bumping thread up...

Ambercat
04-20-2011, 05:05 PM
I live in Sacramento and definitely remember this case. There was a strong rumor (repeat, RUMOR) that the EAR was actually someone in law enforcement who was involved in the investigation. I usually would completely dismiss this idea, but an interesting dynamic is in play with this case - retired local LE who were active while this was ongoing get very confrontational when the case is mentioned in casual conversation. One retired officer told one person, "Do not look into that case - Leave it alone." I find that reaction odd, to say the least.

I do know one citizen who believes to this day that he observed the EAR. The man he says is the EAR was a collector for subscribers to the Sacramento Union, a daily afternoon paper that since folded (and has recently been ressurected as a weekly newpaper). He passed this information to the lead detective on the case, but the detective was killed on-duty about a week later during an unrelated case. The witness does not know if his information ever made it into the case file or if his suspect ever was investigated. He cannot get anyone currently active on this case to verify that they have his info, but they also do not seem that interested in agressively investigating it either.

The sad fact is that Sacramento LE failed to catch this guy and that he "graduated" into a full-fledged serial killer. I do not think that they want to find this guy - they just want everyone to forget about it. Capturing him today will only point out their past failure.

Since your friend was not successful with Sacramento LE, he should try to pass along the information to Orange County LE. Hopefully they would be more receptive.

Ambercat
04-20-2011, 08:03 PM
**possible tattoo on forearm of bull. Could be a big clue?


Also, I don't hear a sneeze. I just hear him say b.tch several times (I couldnt' tell what he was saying at first, but can see how that maybe sounds like a sneeze) and whore once at the end.
I wonder if the bull tattoo is indicative of him being born under the sign of Taurus or if it has another meaning to the killer?

Ambercat
04-20-2011, 09:11 PM
There is another thread about the same perpetrator. I wonder if the two threads can be merged?

i.b.nora
05-06-2011, 07:42 PM
Original Night Stalker is 'cunning,' 'tactical' serial killer, veteran detective says (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/05/original-night-stalker-serial-killer.html)
May 6, 2011

I haven't followed the 'Original Nightstalker' case at all, but I have seen mention these past couple of days regarding at least this one murder in Goleta thirty years ago.

Snippet:

" A veteran detective who has tracked the "Original Night Stalker" described the serial killer as "cunning" and said he hopes a new break this week will "breathe some life" into the case.

On Thursday, Santa Barbara investigators said they confirmed through DNA testing that the Original Night Stalker was likely responsible for the killing of a Goleta couple three decades ago. That would add to the crimes attributed to the killer that started with dozens of rapes in Northern California and ended with as many as 10 slayings in Santa Barbara, Ventura and Orange counties.

For Larry Pool, a detective with the Orange County Sheriff's Department, finding the Original Night Stalker has become his life's mission."

more...

JBean
05-14-2011, 12:26 AM
New article today in my neighborhood paper. These murders were in my town of Dana Point:


New DNA information links two more murders to Original Night Stalker, rekindles memories of two more in Niguel Shores in 1980



As a place for newlyweds to start their life together, Niguel Shores was hard to beat. The year was 1980 and the Harringtons, Keith (24) and Patrice (27), wed a mere three months before, were just settling into their new home. Keith’s dad Roger owned the house and graciously allowed his son and new daughter-in-law to call it home. Keith was a medical student at UCI and Patrice was working as a nurse.
For the young couple, everything was new—the marriage, the home, even the community growing up around them.

Dana Point, as we now know it, didn’t exist. The city wouldn’t even become incorporated for another eight years. But according to records maintained by the city, Dana Point was in the midst of a housing boom. Homes were being built at the fastest pace in the area’s history. During the 1970s and ’80s Dana Point was brimming with new construction. Roughly 5,000 units were built in both decades, the largest number of new homes in the city’s history (the decade between 1990 and 2000 saw only about 150 new homes).





Read more: Dana Point Times - New Interest in a Cold Case (http://danapointtimes.com/pages/full_story/push?article-New+Interest+in+a+Cold+Case%20&id=13265180&instance=top_stories#ixzz1MIW2vE9d)

Ambercat
05-16-2011, 04:56 AM
I am not sure if someone discussed this previously (my apologies if they did and this is redundant), but do you think there is possibly a medical angle to this -- Both Keith and Patrice Harrington, Dr. Robert Offerman, and Alexandra Manning worked in the medical field and Manuela Witthuhn's husband was in the hospital when she was murdered. I also read somewhere that prior to the Smiths' homicide, an epileptic on a bicycle drove into Lyman's automobile, but couldn't really find out more about that.

gaia227
06-03-2011, 12:13 AM
This has been one of my 'pet' interests for a long time but obviously I am slacking as I am just reading about this development. I am so glad to see EAR/ONS getting back into the news, generating new leads, etc.

http://crimevoice.com/dna-begins-to-thaw-night-stalker-case-5654/

This article states the Sanchez's were house-sitting for their friends and didn't actually live in this house - interesting.

It was speculated above how LE was sure the voice on the phone calls and answering machines were really EAR/ONS - I believe the victims positively indentified the voice as the one they heard during the rapes. Also, I doubt the women's names were released publicly so it seems doubtful it could be a prank considering these women were specifically targeted by the caller. It is so creepy.

Dr. Doogie
06-08-2011, 05:48 PM
I live in Sacramento and definitely remember this case. There was a strong rumor (repeat, RUMOR) that the EAR was actually someone in law enforcement who was involved in the investigation. I usually would completely dismiss this idea, but an interesting dynamic is in play with this case - retired local LE who were active while this was ongoing get very confrontational when the case is mentioned in casual conversation. One retired officer told one person, "Do not look into that case - Leave it alone." I find that reaction odd, to say the least.

I do know one citizen who believes to this day that he observed the EAR. The man he says is the EAR was a collector for subscribers to the Sacramento Union, a daily afternoon paper that since folded (and has recently been ressurected as a weekly newpaper). He passed this information to the lead detective on the case, but the detective was killed on-duty about a week later during an unrelated case. The witness does not know if his information ever made it into the case file or if his suspect ever was investigated. He cannot get anyone currently active on this case to verify that they have his info, but they also do not seem that interested in agressively investigating it either.

The sad fact is that Sacramento LE failed to catch this guy and that he "graduated" into a full-fledged serial killer. I do not think that they want to find this guy - they just want everyone to forget about it. Capturing him today will only point out their past failure.

Pardon me for quoting myself, but I wanted to update my current opinions on the case and what I posted above in particular.

The above story concerning the retired cop saying "Leave it alone" did happen, but there is also the strong possibilty that this was merely someone in LE showing disdain for an amatuer sleuth. There are other, less sinister and perectly logical, explainations for this reaction beyond my speculation of a conspiracy.

The tip concerning EAR being a paper collector is probably bogus. It turns out that the detective who the tipster claims was killed a week after he spoke to him had, in fact, been murdered two years prior to the beginning of the EAR rapes. The story does not add up.

I just wanted to bring this info current because I have been recently asked about the original post and just want everyone to know the present status.

AliceInPain
06-09-2011, 04:33 PM
I am very much interested in this case, I cannot understand how I never heard of it??
The other day I was ill, and having hours to spend I checked old newspaperarchives.
The police gave a statement ... sometime... giving the guys stats etc... saying, he never attacked a woman with a man, or anyone else in the house. I kind of went yeeeah, and looked at the dates at the website that has been mentioned here... and sure enough, his next attack was one week later and then he started adding men to the mix... I can post the article, I saved them all, and you can check the dates yourself, it's scary! I think he was very aware of what was going on. I did find several dates for meetings but none that could match the guy who was attacked after going to one??
How come this case is not written about all over??? It should be. I don't think he died...

AliceInPain
06-09-2011, 04:48 PM
Here. March 26, 1977:
"The attacks are at home where no man is present."
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5781/ear1977326.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/135/ear1977326.jpg/)

He next attacked April 2, about a week later, and from then on men would be present almost every time.

I don't think he was a loner, I think he was very much involved with his community. And blended in.

freshwater
06-10-2011, 09:59 AM
I think it's really telling that when it is pointed out that the rapist only attacks women who are alone - BANG - he attacks women who are NOT alone. Also, the guy who speaks up at the community meeting about how he couldn't believe that men couldn't protect their wives/girlfriends from being assaulted by EAR/ONS ends up being the next victim (along with his wife).

I wonder if EAR/ONS had a parent who constantly told him he wouldn't be able to do this or that, and later in life there became this need on his part to prove, in a completely sick way, that he could do anything he set his mind to.

EAR/ONS might have some serious mommy issues. :twocents:

Part of me wonders if EAR/ONS has been chillin' in a Cali. prison for a long time, and just hasn't had his DNA drawn/tested yet.

colette
07-27-2011, 07:12 PM
The July 25, 1981 Goleta murders of 35-year old Cheri Domingo and 27-year old Gregory Sanchez have now been positively connected to ear/ons by DNA, Recent testing proves the connection. Here is a sheriff press release.

http://www.sbsheriff.org/05051101.html

Here is a KSBY story and news video:

http://www.ksby.com/news/dna-links-infamous-serial-killer-to-goleta-double-homicide-from-30-years-ago/

Indianagirl
07-27-2011, 07:21 PM
Anyone know if Codis and/or any other DNA database searches outside of the United States, such as Canada?

:+:MrTT:+:
07-28-2011, 07:49 PM
This has been one of my 'pet' interests for a long time but obviously I am slacking as I am just reading about this development. I am so glad to see EAR/ONS getting back into the news, generating new leads, etc.

http://crimevoice.com/dna-begins-to-thaw-night-stalker-case-5654/

This article states the Sanchez's were house-sitting for their friends and didn't actually live in this house - interesting.

It was speculated above how LE was sure the voice on the phone calls and answering machines were really EAR/ONS - I believe the victims positively indentified the voice as the one they heard during the rapes. Also, I doubt the women's names were released publicly so it seems doubtful it could be a prank considering these women were specifically targeted by the caller. It is so creepy.

The following from your link.
And if it has already been mentioned
then just disregard this posting.

From your link.
Cheri Domingo, 35, and Gregory Sanchez, 27, were murdered while house-sitting for friends in Goleta just 18 months after Robert Offerman, 44, and Alexandria Manning, 35, were victims in another double murder in the same community. The two double-murders took place in the middle of a rash of residential burglaries between 1979 and 1981, none of which ever produced viable evidence establishing a connection between the two double murders or between any other crimes.

I wonder if these two couples knew one another?


If LE was here to answer questions.
I would ask them the above question and the one
to follow.

I would ask them if they asked the owners of the house
the couple were setting for. Whom all they told they were leaving the house for whatever reason and were going to have friends stay in the house while they were gone.

For a reason, I am speculating only of course.

That the killer may-have known through chatting with the owners that they would be leaving.
And also knew whom would be staying there while they were
away. How long (day,days) had they been setting at the house before they
were murdered?

Add on...
I believe for now, until told otherwise.
That the burglaries that were committed was done so
to draw attention away from the murders.
Another-words.
The burglaries were committed to give the impression that
the person that committed the murders was done by a burglar.
But the main MO were the murders themselves.

Not implying the murders and burglaries were committed by the same person.
If no DNA match. It could have been the killer was choosing this area where there
had been burglaries before the murders. If LE could answer that question it would be helpful.
Did the burglaries occur before the murders or after or even during the time between the murders of the two couples
in the same community?

colette
07-28-2011, 10:03 PM
I think ear/ons started as the "ransacker". A guy who broke into homes went through pictures, clothes, and personal items. He later raped, then murdered. The ransacker did actually kill the father of a girl he tried to take out of the home and also shot a cop. I believe he trolled areas looking in windows and also followed women and girls home, later attacking them. He moved around enough to not get caught.

Zobsessed
08-28-2011, 04:59 PM
As I do every so often, typically on weekends while watching the kids, I peruse the web looking for new info on EAR/ONS. This weekend I came across a rather interesting tidbit. It appears there is an independent film being made about the life (and death) of EAR/ONS last known victim, Janelle Cruz.

More information can be found here: Bird with a Broken Wing (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/46588/two-teaser-trailers-bird-broken-wing)

The teaser trailer (showing actual home movies) really does humanize Ms. Cruz in a way that truly touched me. I'm not sure if this film will get any kind of film festival release or if it's straight to DVD or what. Hard to tell. {edit: it appears that the director is seeking financing}

Inspired by finding this bit of news, I went looking for something on the web (anything really) about the Janelle Cruz homicide. And found this (http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=562865).

Perhaps the most compelling account I came across in the old forums was [allegedly] posted by the boyfriend of Janelle Cruz at the time of her death.

His post reported of an encounter with Janelle at a neighborhood pool approximately a week before death. He wrote of the presence of another man at the swimming pool whose gaze upon Janelle had a "sexually predatory" manner about it, and how the man offered to drop by her home to show her some kittens for the purpose of her possibly adopting them.

If this account is correct, the probability is good that the "kitten man" was EAR-ONS.

Now, it would seem that the filmmaker behind Bird With A Broken Wing had intimate access to the footage used for the teaser trailer. So perhaps he knows of the person that is behind the information from the above quote or would have access to her family and be able to deduce who was close to her and may have witnessed this incident.

Two things I have read in the last year that really piqued my interest back into this case:

1. A law enforcement official (I think from Contra Costa) said they were looking into the possibility of the common link to many of the early rapes was one of the local hospitals. That some of the victims had worked/stayed or knew of someone that worked/stayed there. Something like that, I probably don't have my facts 100% on that.

2. This tidbit about the man that was ogling Ms. Cruz by the pool in her neighborhood shortly before her murder.

This case is solvable. Now, whether or not EAR/ONS is dead or not, who knows. But, someone out there holds the key to this.

gaia227
08-29-2011, 04:20 AM
I think ear/ons started as the "ransacker". A guy who broke into homes went through pictures, clothes, and personal items. He later raped, then murdered. The ransacker did actually kill the father of a girl he tried to take out of the home and also shot a cop. I believe he trolled areas looking in windows and also followed women and girls home, later attacking them. He moved around enough to not get caught.


Yes, it is a prevailing theory EAR/ONS was also the Ransacker although I am not sure if it has been proven through forensics or not. Either way, it seems pretty plausible EAR/ONS and the Ransacker were the same person. That is partly what makes this person so interesting. You can really see the evolution of a person becoming a killer, he starts out small with breaking into people's houses and continues to escalate from there as his confidence grows.

Ambercat
08-29-2011, 05:21 AM
As I do every so often, typically on weekends while watching the kids, I peruse the web looking for new info on EAR/ONS. This weekend I came across a rather interesting tidbit. It appears there is an independent film being made about the life (and death) of EAR/ONS last known victim, Janelle Cruz.

More information can be found here: Bird with a Broken Wing (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/46588/two-teaser-trailers-bird-broken-wing)

The teaser trailer (showing actual home movies) really does humanize Ms. Cruz in a way that truly touched me. I'm not sure if this film will get any kind of film festival release or if it's straight to DVD or what. Hard to tell. {edit: it appears that the director is seeking financing}

Inspired by finding this bit of news, I went looking for something on the web (anything really) about the Janelle Cruz homicide. And found this (http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=562865).



Now, it would seem that the filmmaker behind Bird With A Broken Wing had intimate access to the footage used for the teaser trailer. So perhaps he knows of the person that is behind the information from the above quote or would have access to her family and be able to deduce who was close to her and may have witnessed this incident.

Two things I have read in the last year that really piqued my interest back into this case:

1. A law enforcement official (I think from Contra Costa) said they were looking into the possibility of the common link to many of the early rapes was one of the local hospitals. That some of the victims had worked/stayed or knew of someone that worked/stayed there. Something like that, I probably don't have my facts 100% on that.

2. This tidbit about the man that was ogling Ms. Cruz by the pool in her neighborhood shortly before her murder.

This case is solvable. Now, whether or not EAR/ONS is dead or not, who knows. But, someone out there holds the key to this.

The closest community pool to Janelle Cruz's house on Encina in Irvine appears to be at Retozo and Allegria. Something else that struck me as suspicious regarding the kitten story -- last year, my cat (Amber) had kittens. There is no way I would have been toting the babies around to find homes; everyone who looked at them came to my place (in the end, my neighbor adopted 2, my parents adopted 2, and I kept 2). This just sounds weird (like an excuse to get her address). Was LE notified about it at the time of her murder? Was the community pool one that you needed a community key to access?

I noticed a medical connection between the murder of Keith and Patrice Harrington (he was a med student and she was a nurse) and Manuela Withuhn (her husband was in the hospital on the night she was murdered. It would be interesting to know what the earlier medical connection was in Northern California (and see if any of the staff worked in Northern California then began working in Southern California).

Ambercat
11-15-2011, 05:38 AM
I'm not sure where the posters on the A&E Coldcases forum are getting their information, but they are claiming that EAR-ONS DNA was of Norwegian ancestry.
reports suggesting he may have been latino, italian etc because of the tattoo of the bull. I also read that his dna was from someone of Norwegian decent or something.
http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=751333&d-1169404-p=2
Anyone know anything about said reports?

freshwater
06-08-2012, 11:48 AM
Did I read that this guy brought a German Shepherd to some of his crimes? Did people there have to register their dogs in the locality they lived in back then? Did investigators pour through those records for everyone who owned one of those dogs in the different cities there?

Walking a dog late at night is the perfect excuse for being on the streets at 3 or 4 in the morning. Brilliant move by this evil man.

Leprikawn
06-10-2012, 11:27 PM
hmmm......German Shepherd, possibly a Police Dog?

This case is weird in the fact its not well known. Yet its even more compelling than say the Richard Ramirez case. Maybe even more than the Zodiac case.

Robin Hood
06-12-2012, 02:03 PM
There was a guy caught for beating women in bedrooms, they called him the bedroom basher - https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/bedroombasher

He worked at El Toro air base - Notice the emblem of the base (a Bull)
Marine Corps Air Station El Toro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Could our ONS also have worked there too and that the tattoo is from the airbase insignia.

He could also have been be in the Military police and that's where the Alsation dog was from.

Ambercat
06-24-2012, 03:31 AM
Has anyone read that entire story? The one linked has chapter 25 and I've searched the Web site several times looking for the rest. It pulls up certain chapters, but I've been unable to locate all of them.

Has anybody else tried this with success?

The Ventura County Star ran an extensive series in November 2002 about the murders of Lyman and Charlene Smith (I think this is what you are referring to). I don’t think there is a link to read the entire story continuously, so here it is chapter by chapter –

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/12/whos-who-in-the-smith-murder-case/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/03/chapter-1-between-the-sea-and-the-stars/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/04/chapter-2-the-two-charlenes/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/05/chapter-3-terrible-memories/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/06/chapter-4-welcome-to-homicide/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/07/chapter-5-the-stuff-of-black-binders/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/08/chapter-6-the-partner/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/09/chapter-7-the-boyfriend/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/10/chapter-8-those-things-that-abideth/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/11/chapter-9-the-biggest-bull-shippers/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/12/chapter-10-everyone-has-a-theory/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/13/chapter-11-this-is-so-dragnet/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/14/chapter-12-better-than-any-mall/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/15/chapter-13-between-this-man-and-his-god/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/16/chapter-14-one-day-in-may/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/17/chapter-15-the-big-bad-wolfe/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/18/chapter-16-the-waivers/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/19/chapter-17-the-cul-de-sac-killer/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/20/chapter-18-street-justice/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/21/chapter-19-the-odd-couple/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/22/chapter-20-the-people-vs-alsip/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/23/chapter-21-the-accused-takes-the-stand/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/24/chapter-22-the-quiet-man/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/25/chapter-23-the-dead-zone/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/26/chapter-24-the-missing-link/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/27/chapter-25-the-dragons-lair/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/28/chapter-26-waiting-for-a-phone-call/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/28/do-you-know-the-original-night-stalker/

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2002/nov/28/where-are-they-now/

Ambercat
06-24-2012, 09:41 PM
There was a guy caught for beating women in bedrooms, they called him the bedroom basher - https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/bedroombasher

He worked at El Toro air base - Notice the emblem of the base (a Bull)
Marine Corps Air Station El Toro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Air_Station_El_Toro)

Could our ONS also have worked there too and that the tattoo is from the airbase insignia.

He could also have been be in the Military police and that's where the Alsation dog was from.

Speaking of Gerald Parker, at the time he was active as a serial killer, there was a sketch released (which is obviously not Mr. Parker) of a suspect who was going into women's homes in Orange County and raping and bludgeoning them. It is possible that this person could be linked to the EAR-ONS cases.

https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/IrvineSketch-large-crop-0.13-0.11-0.94-0.89.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/theirvinesketch
More about the sketch -- http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=e1EfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GNIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1030,3460799&hl=en

Quiche
06-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Wow, okay... I knew that the EAR had been tied to some southern Cali murders, but I didn't know the extent of it.

I was born and raised in east Sac-- I attended American River College and Sac State, I lived in neighborhoods that back up to creeks and pastures, and the rivers. I was completely terrorized by the East Area Rapist and in fact, to this day he never leaves my consciousness entirely: I was weaned from security on his crime spree here, which happened to correlate with a few others that went on to be notorious-- Lawrence Singleton's attack on Mary Vincent (1978) stopped my hitchhiking, Richard Chase's killing spree (1977) happened within blocks of me and I had friends who went to high school with him, and then the long terror inspiring era of the EAR just spun my home town into a distrustful, frightened, and confusing place.


Just a theory here, but he sounds like he switched to an almost BTK style of killings after his raping days were done. This is an escalating style of killer and I don't think he would have stopped. The theory that he is dead or incarcerated would seem the most sensible, but look at the BTK situation in Witchita, he was there all along. Hopefully there can be some closure to this case.

I don't think he's done, dead, or idle. I think this guy is around my age-- a mid-babyboomer. He's flexible and growing toward whatever his crime goals are. DNA is probably the only thing he's scared of, but in this age of metro-sexual mainstream men, I expect that he has very little hair, anywhere, and protects himself from distributing his DNA via a latex suit, a wetsuit, something that would hinder even skin cells from wafting off him. He may even be planting/framing another person for his crimes at this point.

I live in Sacramento and definitely remember this case. There was a strong rumor (repeat, RUMOR) that the EAR was actually someone in law enforcement who was involved in the investigation. I usually would completely dismiss this idea, but an interesting dynamic is in play with this case - retired local LE who were active while this was ongoing get very confrontational when the case is mentioned in casual conversation. One retired officer told one person, "Do not look into that case - Leave it alone." I find that reaction odd, to say the least.

I do know one citizen who believes to this day that he observed the EAR. The man he says is the EAR was a collector for subscribers to the Sacramento Union, a daily afternoon paper that since folded (and has recently been ressurected as a weekly newpaper). He passed this information to the lead detective on the case, but the detective was killed on-duty about a week later during an unrelated case. The witness does not know if his information ever made it into the case file or if his suspect ever was investigated. He cannot get anyone currently active on this case to verify that they have his info, but they also do not seem that interested in agressively investigating it either.

The sad fact is that Sacramento LE failed to catch this guy and that he "graduated" into a full-fledged serial killer. I do not think that they want to find this guy - they just want everyone to forget about it. Capturing him today will only point out their past failure.

Suspect Profile:
http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate7.html

I happen to think this potential is very real. He absolutely knew what his victims were up to, he knew the behind the scenes topography of the region, the pets in the neighborhoods did not alert to his presence, and he road a bike, fast.

Our creeks are not concrete-- I doubt any of them were in the 1970s. They are rustic little swaths of nature that meander from the foothills down to the rivers (there are two). They are situated so that they run behind homes as a natural back property line. Some people did actually put up fences, but most (in those days) left it natural, which equals not secure. Shortcuts were made along those creeks and rivers... "the back way" was commonly traveled by kids who grew up in the neighborhood. As a matter of fact, it was the EAR who put an end to using the creeks as thoroughfares-- you'd get yourself killed after he started his crimes.

[QUOTE=CrimeSolver;4475969]If I recall, many of the rapes were committed in dwellings that backed onto dry concrete canals, and speculation was he used those canals as escape routes.

He definitely used the creek and river passages. And a bike (which would also fit a newspaper route-- but, I would guess it might be the morning paper, heck, or maybe both!)

I have been trying to read up on the AEtv board about this case and gather some information since I tend to obsess over this case. I'm really curious to know if there is a concensus about the age of EAR-ONS. When listening to that answering machine recording, it has always struck me that that voice sounds very young. Potentially meaning that EAR-ONS would have been no older than 17-18 when he began his crime spree. And maybe earlier if the Visalia ransacker is the same perp (and I believe he was).

That would mean that EAR-ONS is no older than his early 50's. There is still a very good chance of catching this guy. Which leads me to my next inquiry. It has been speculated by profiler or two that he is either dead or incarcerated for a lesser crime (than murder). Because he would be unable to stop. But I wonder, if he was silent for 6 years or more and then called an old victime in or around 1991 wouldn't that lend credence to the idea that he perhaps just stopped and wanted to do that for old times sake?

I guess my point is, I do not think he's dead or incarcerated. I believe that LE in California has probably scoured the books on similar profiles of inmates and done DNA tests etc all for nothing. Which makes me totally think he's out there, he regressed into suburbia. Which is terrifying. He's someone's neighbor, father.

The way to catch him is to keep the story out there. I have not doubt he still lives out there somewhere in Cali..he's there, just have to find him.

<<<shiver>>> I haven't explored the EAR-ONS site yet, and I'm not sure I want to hear his taunting message. Creeeepy.

I agree with you that the voice sounds like that of a younger man. Maybe this has been discussed already (I haven't looked at this case in a while), but how are the police so sure this caller is the real thing and not some teenage crank caller?
My feeling is that the ONS is a somewhat older and more experienced perp (at least late-20s, 30s, perhaps as old as 40s), because how else could he repeatedly be so successful in incapacitating a couple - a woman and a man? Surely one of the mature male victims in the ONS cases would have said to himself, "This is just a kid with a knife; I can take him out. I sure won't let him tie me up".

What I remember was the stacking of dishes on the men's backs. He'd remove them to the living area of the home, lay them on their stomachs, then stack glass plates and stuff on them and threaten to kill (I thought some homes had kids, but I may be wrong) the wife/other members of the house. No matter what, there was HUGE incentive for the man of the house to concentrate on breathing slowly and carefully.

It was a very successful tactic in that family oriented area.

Did I read that this guy brought a German Shepherd to some of his crimes? Did people there have to register their dogs in the locality they lived in back then? Did investigators pour through those records for everyone who owned one of those dogs in the different cities there?

Walking a dog late at night is the perfect excuse for being on the streets at 3 or 4 in the morning. Brilliant move by this evil man.

Oh man, I don't recall that in particular, but big dogs were the thang to have. Outside dogs got brought in, inside dogs were given the run of the house, little dogs slept with their mommies and daddies. It was terrible.

I have looked for information on this case a number of times throughout the years, and I'm so glad (though not surprised) to find this thread at WS. Also, I'd never heard the name the Original Night Stalker. This man may have a good decade or more that he could be criminally active. I absolutely believe he has honed his criminal craft to near perfection by this time. I'd like to see him caught...

:cool:

mo

Nyla4
07-08-2012, 02:21 PM
Did I read that this guy brought a German Shepherd to some of his crimes? Did people there have to register their dogs in the locality they lived in back then? Did investigators pour through those records for everyone who owned one of those dogs in the different cities there?

Walking a dog late at night is the perfect excuse for being on the streets at 3 or 4 in the morning. Brilliant move by this evil man.


I don't know if the dogs have to be registered but I remember reading in the book Sudden Terror that the dog was a white german shepherd with a toe missing on one of his paws. The police were able to track down this dog and know who the owners were but still could not make a connection to a suspect. I don't know what to make of that. Was someone stealing the dog at night and using him as cover or a ruse? Or were the owners not being 100% straight with LE as to who would have access to their dog? Or another scenario entirely?

SuperKyle
07-10-2012, 01:57 PM
I don't know if the dogs have to be registered but I remember reading in the book Sudden Terror that the dog was a white german shepherd with a toe missing on one of his paws. The police were able to track down this dog and know who the owners were but still could not make a connection to a suspect. I don't know what to make of that. Was someone stealing the dog at night and using him as cover or a ruse? Or were the owners not being 100% straight with LE as to who would have access to their dog? Or another scenario entirely?


What page or area of the book did you read that? I am about 100 pages in and haven't seen it... that would be an incredible thing for them not to be involved or know who might be around to grab the dog... let alone the dog going along with the rapist.... that is odd enough.

Ambercat
07-23-2012, 08:41 PM
What page or area of the book did you read that? I am about 100 pages in and haven't seen it... that would be an incredible thing for them not to be involved or know who might be around to grab the dog... let alone the dog going along with the rapist.... that is odd enough.

That the dog would be passive in going to the scene of criminal activity with a human other than its owner is really strange. I am not sure if that is actually feasible.

mom-a-licious
08-06-2012, 01:44 AM
Hello I don't post very often here but I have been interested in the EAR/ONS case for quite some time as I lived in Sac as a teenager in the 70's when all this was going on (along with the Richard Trenton Chase murders, the Mary Vincent hitchiking incident, the Gerald and Charlene Gallego case, etc.---it was a very weird time in Sacramento).

I have noticed other posts regarding the possible medical connection between the EAR/ONS and his victims. I have also wondered about this. Perhaps EAR/ONS was a pre-med student in Sacramento, then in med school in Southern Cal....

Perhaps when he was in Sacramento EAR/ONS was going to Pre-med classes at Cal State. The profile of EAR/ONS states that he had a source of income, but that he was able to be free in the early hours of the morning, possibly didn't have to get up super-early to go to an AM job each day.

Being a student would fit with this. He might have a source of income such as family money, living with a family member, scholarships, financial aid, etc. He could go to school full time but being young, early to mid 20's maybe, and if a very good student, he'd still have this type of free time, even if only at intervals.

There were then some rapes committed by EAR/ONS in the Davis area (according to EAR/ONS website timeline). UCDavis Medical School is located there, very big well known med school. Perhaps he had started spending some time in the Davis area due to educational reasons and started to scout out/know the area better, so decided to try his had there.

Then the activity in Contra Costa county etc. Perhaps finishing up some pre-med stuff there or taking a break/spending time living with family before actually starting med-school full time after finishing pre-med courses?

Some rapes in Modesto and Stockton occured---perhaps he had family in these areas and these were done during visits etc---perhaps he'd actually grown up in Central CA, this would especially fit if when he was in his late teens or very early 20's before going to Sac, he'd actually been the Visalia Ransacker...

Then when he was actually in med school perhaps he got into a school down in Southern Cal, where the murders began. At least one of the victims was a doctor and a nurse, and another was a med student at UC Irvine...He would be extremely busy in med school but I worked in health care for years and knew many who had gone through pre-med and med school, and although they were extremely busy they still had free time at intervals.

Then, the absence of activity between 1981 and 1986... finished w/ med school now and could have been literally Anywhere in the US doing internship and residency years at a hospital....anywhere from 4-5 years. (Pre-med, med school and then residency are often in completely different locations, can be anywhere in the US or sometimes even in another country).

During this time he'd likely have been out of CA and in completely unfamiliar territory, and during internship and residency, not in school anymore, he'd perhaps simply not have the time. During residency etc. he really wouldn't have the time to do the sort of planning he needed to do, and not have much in the way of nights off, and truly be too exhausted to be as proficient as he'd need to be during the crimes. Basically just forced to put things on hold...

Then in 1986 back to his old (murdering) stomping grounds after residency done and he's back in Southern Cal for awhile...committing that one final murder...

He obviously was comfortable in the types of neighborhoods where professional people lived.

And after that? Perhaps joining a practice in another state---perhaps actually "settling down" for lack of a better phrase....like BTK was able to do. Getting older, wanting to use his control over others in different ways, perhaps as one of those (thankfully rare) sadistic MDs in a position of power where he could be as arrogant to others as he pleased and watch people in pain, and order people around and make money doing it...maybe weighing the risks and deciding it's not worth it anymore---too much to lose.

Or perhaps continuing to murder in another state or country, although I read that they have not been able to find crimes of this type with the same MO since...or maybe he was simply in a car accident on a So. Cal freeway one day...

MusicMom
01-07-2013, 08:07 PM
i think that break in the voice is a sneeze, very little sneeze.

If thats a tv in the background its very quiet in the beginning of the tape. I thought I understood part of the womans voice saying "hanging around". I am thinking someone made a tape and played it in the phone, thus the small sneeze in the background the same time the tape is playing.

Could he be at a bus station/train station? It sounded like an announcement of some sort.:waitasec:

STANDREID
01-07-2013, 09:25 PM
That the dog would be passive in going to the scene of criminal activity with a human other than its owner is really strange. I am not sure if that is actually feasible.

Taking a dog with you to this type of crime seems like a huge risk, if not downright foolish. You never know what an animal might do to give you away no matter how well trained it is. I suppose he thought he could use the dog to protect him in case he lost control of the situation but it almost looks more like a companionship thing to me. It is definitely a very bizarre element.

If he has died then his family must be covering for him. I can't imagine that his belongings didn't contain many things that would incriminate him.

swelters
01-11-2013, 06:59 PM
I've always found this case fascinating

Robin Hood
01-24-2013, 02:02 PM
I want to know more about the dog. If LE found the owners how did they explain it going missing ? Was it returned ? Did it wander back home etc. I have certain friends that could take my dog and he'd behave, So, I want to know more about the dog.

Dewclaw
01-26-2013, 11:24 PM
I read the dog only had three toes on one foot.

Dewclaw
01-27-2013, 06:41 PM
For those of you familiar with the case you know of the poetry. This is what I found that could be part of it. It is a famous poet that I think influenced one of the ears. It is only a excerpt. I think you can copy what is written below and google it and find the whole poem and the author. I think there were four ears, and at least one of them went on to become the ons. The main points for me are the references to rapes and mafia. That and what the author stood for.

AMERIKA,
suckler of life and love,
murderer of brown-flecked children ...

venomous putain nation,
genuflector to dollar signs,
adulator of sordid rapes and mafiosi enterprises,

AMERIKA-THE-DESECRATOR,
the world sits
tribunally indicting you
with anger reminescent
OF Dachau, Buchenwald


This is another excerpt of an essay written by another author. The same goes for it. Again this author stood for a similar cause.

"Every human architect must do likewise with his edifice; he must mould his bricks or hew his stones into symmetrical solids and lay them over one another in regular strata, like a poet's lines."

If you read the entire essay, I think you can see some of the same themes as the ear poem. It is sad to think that this might be an influence of the ears.

I have four POI's that I think are connected. By themselves they do not fit the profile that most people I have read seem to believe, but when you look at what united them, their location, scholastic and military history, and motivations, I believe they fit perfect.

I am looking for criticisms and new ideas to help fill out this theory of who the ear ons was. I may be completely wrong about this, most likely so, but still I find it interesting.

Robin Hood
01-29-2013, 07:44 AM
Dewclaw, can you name your suspects and why ?

The dog had 3 toes and was a white GSD or Alsation, somebody mentioned that LE knew who owned the dog, that's why I want to know more about the dog/owners etc.

Dewclaw
01-29-2013, 05:27 PM
I can name the poi's. I have a lot of information on them.

There is a lot I dont know about the case though. And it seems hard to find info about it. I spent a great deal of time working on that poem. I dont know if I am right for certain. But it seems closer than anything else I have read. I think the apostrophes are a reference to Bonnie Parker's poetry. Just saying. Has anybody come up with anything like this? I dont know. If the poem is authentic shouldnt it lead someone to believe that the ear was educated, that he was articulate, and that he was trying to convey a message about something. maybe it wasnt to the general sacramento population, maybe it was to a group with similar beliefs as him. While the poem might have a regrettable subject matter, it does seem to express ideas efficiently. And the fact that he mentioned the movies. The film Hitchhike was released in 1978 in the US, 1977 in europe. One of the ears was in europe that year. Look at the MO change in 77 from single females to couples. Is that a coincidence? I find it amazing to think of all the crimes inspired by movies and the movies inspired by crimes.

I read an earlier poster commenting on how the police didn't seem interested. I think they are. But this case seems like a mess. When you just think about all the trouble the Smith murders caused. And then to find out that they were actually related to all these other crimes.

I have a working theory. It is not set in stone. I get a new idea and I try researching it and seeing if I can find something or someone which helps explain the rest. Some of it is so simple it sounds unbelievable. Some of it too complicated. But altogether it makes enough sense for me to keep looking at.

I read also that the dog ended up in a beach community. I believe the owner was killed in mexico in the mid 80's. I dont know of any results in trying to connect them to the crimes.

I wish there was a site that had the parts of this case narrowed into threads without all the childishness.

I wish there was a way to make public the things I have found.

Robin Hood
01-30-2013, 01:37 PM
Thanks Dewclaw, I'll try and read the threads again to try and catch up. Keep posting as and when you get ideas.

Robin Hood
01-30-2013, 02:17 PM
The last post mentions the connection to the 3 toed dog

http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=510148&d-1169404-p=3

Dewclaw
01-30-2013, 04:38 PM
That is a good thread. I have read about Glasby before. I didnt know he had lived in Sac. The poi i have for the ear and the ons murders was from san diego. His father was from ensenada. I have wondered if he didnt grow up going back and forth across the border. I think he might have been involved trafficking drugs across the border also.

Dewclaw
02-02-2013, 04:46 PM
Here is a link to a picture of a jacket I believe they are saying the Ear was wearing.

http://community.aetv.com/_Corn-Jacket/photo/18511667/119137.html?b=&enlarge=true

they said it had the writing "corn" on it. If this is so I would suggest it could refer to ACORN. Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. I believe they were also called just CORN. In the late 70's they were expanding greatly and were working with Cesar Chavez and others in the Sacramento area. If that jacket did refer to CORN I think that would shake things up. I wonder what Rush would make of it.

It would fit in with my POIs in that the one I think went on to become the ONS was a political science major, was involved with mexican american rights, and gay and lesbian rights. He also worked in the insurance, mortgage and tax fields which ACORN was heavily involved with. He also set up non-profit organizations.

At the convention in Memphis in 1978 I believe ACORN discussed the impact of rape on the poor. I stayed up fairly late last night reading the "The Seeds of Change". One of the things I found interesting was that they were trying to find loopholes in the welfare system and then overwhelm it with demands and crash the system. It seems like the exact opposite of what JFK's "Ask not" speech was all about. It read like ACORN was proud of all this.

Robin Hood
02-02-2013, 05:03 PM
I need time to catch up, pretty busy with something else but will look at this asap.

Zobsessed
02-25-2013, 01:31 PM
Investigation Discovery's "Dark Minds" explores unsolved murders likely committed by serial killers, and its second season is more dramatic than ever.

Investigation Discovery sent BI an advance copy of the episode premiering Feb. 27. It explores the saga of the Original Night Stalker, a serial killer who terrorized Southern California in the '70s and '80s.


Read more. (http://www.businessinsider.com/investigation-discovery-dark-minds-show-2013-2#ixzz2Lw9yAysJ)

StellaMaris
02-26-2013, 09:54 AM
www.lamag.com/killer/

Zobsessed
02-26-2013, 11:32 PM
The case is getting a full court press. The LA mag article will be published online tomorrow and in the March, 2013 print version.

This coupled with the airing of the "Dark Minds" episode tomorrow night.

* Newly released phone recording of EAR/ONS to be released tomorrow.

AKWILKS
02-27-2013, 02:10 PM
NEWS BREAK!

FINALLY POSSIBLE WRITING IN THE EAR/ONS CASE!

http://www.lamag.com/offtherecord

Asking for help from all interested members, even if this has not been a case you have studied much.

It would be great to ELIMINATE or INCLUDE Kaczynski and/or The Zodiac, and other suspects and killers.

Can we compare this cursive to Ted cursive and possible Zodiac cursive? Can we compare the map to drawings and diagrams from Ted and from Zodiac?

Like both the Zodiac and Kaczynski, the EAR/ONS used the word "punishment".

Zodiac = I promised to punish them if they did not comply, by anilating a full School Buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way. Mt. Diablo Letter, 1970.

Kaczynski = The people who are pushing all this growth and progress garbage deserve to be severely punished. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Like Ted, he kept a journal where he complained about ill treatment from school teachers.

Like Ted he drew maps.

I have not yet evaluated the handwriting itself, I got this 5 minutes ago! Please help me evaluate the map drawing, the handwriting and the content!


http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on10.jpg

http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on11.jpg

http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on12.jpg

Site where the Visalia Ransacker (VR) shot at a police officer - he hit the flashlight the officer was holding.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali10.jpg

Site where VR shot and killed Professor Claude Snelling.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali11.jpg

Article on police theory that VR became the EAR/ONS.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali12.jpg

Comparison of VR sketch and two pics of Ted Kaczynski 1970's.
http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka28.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali16.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka20.jpg

Comparison of side view of VR sketch and side view of Ted Kaczynski

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali17.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka25.jpg

Sketch of Maggiore Killer/EAR/ONS and Ted Kaczynski 1970's

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/maggio11.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka27.jpg
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You can see above that in 1978, Ted Kaczynski looked like the EAR/ONS did in 1978 - short dirty blonde to light brown hair, clean cut look, fresh face.

And below you can see that Ted Kaczynski in 1986 looked like the EAR/ONS did in 1986 - medium to longish unkempt dirty hair, light brown in color, face is a little darker, lined.


This is a sketch of the EAR/ONS as he looked in 1986.

It is believed this man was seen in the area around the home of Janelle Cruz and attracted suspicion. We don't know the details.

Compared to pictures of Ted Kaczynski - notice they both have a visible Adam's apple on their throat, and it is purplish. Also notice the similar lines on the face and around the eyes, jutting chin and prominent jaw, beak like nose (though Ted broke his nose on purpose, the FBI says, as a disguise), almond shaped eyes, arched/crooked right eyebrow, thin lips.

Then compared to two pictures of a man at the Bari redwoods protest near Eureka, CA in 1990, thought to be Ted Kaczynski.





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http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/origin13.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka33.jpg


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Then compared to two pictures of a man at the Bari redwoods protest near Eureka, CA in 1990, thought to be Ted Kaczynski.



http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_br13.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/origin11.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_br14.jpg

Dewclaw
02-28-2013, 01:43 AM
I think the map could be at the corner of Hollister and Storke in Goleta. I wonder if the guy thought he might have had the chance to develop that area. If you turn the map so that the left side is pointing north the store area seems to match up real close. At least to my eye.

I wonder if the names on the pages might have been his idea for streetnames.

Cliff May, the house designer, seems to be in important figure in this case for me. He was from San Diego, he had spanish blood, his ancestors even had a landgrant from the Spanish. I wonder who he might have had working for him.

I am starting to believe that this case is really connected to Vicki Morgans. Seriously.

William Morgan Hetrick seems to pop up everywhere. He knew Lyman, Fletcher Jones. Arthur Jones. And so many many other people. Some of ended up dead in plane crashes. Others in jail for drug smuggling. Not that Hetrick was the Ear.

AKWILKS
02-28-2013, 01:48 AM
If you recognize this voice or this writing: The Sacramento Sheriff's Department has asked that their new tip line be put on the A/E board. All tips sent through this link earinfo@sacsheriff.comwill go directly to the EA

Robin Hood
02-28-2013, 01:31 PM
This is interesting - look at the bottom of the self drawn map, you can see something that looks like the words ''Milling'' and ''Jene'' now read this

June Millington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

''June Millington and her younger sister Jean moved with their family from the Philippines to Sacramento, California in 1961''

Robin Hood
02-28-2013, 02:29 PM
The map, IMO shows a lake marked as Lake apartments and a creek running from the lake up through residential properties and stopping at the boundary of the last house. The xxxx's near the lake I would think are trees.

Edited to add

http://www.lamag.com/features/2013/2/27/in-the-footsteps-of-a-killer/page/5#thenotebook

''The third page is the hand-drawn map. Investigators examined the unusual markings on the land area and figured out they represented a change of grade and elevation for drainage purposes. Roofing is also an apparent interest: The two symbols on the bottom right are standard indicators showing left- and right-side elevations of a house, suggesting rooflines.

Further analysis led investigators to believe the mapmaker possibly dabbled in landscape architecture, civil engineering, or land-use planning. They’ve tried unsuccessfully to find the area depicted on the map. Pool believes the drawing resembles Golden State’s preferred attack neighborhood, and that it’s a fantasy.

On the back of the map, amid a series of doodles and girls’ names, is the word punishment scrawled hard in black pen with the letter p written backward. Right above the word punishment, in faint handwriting, are the words “Come from Snelling.” At least that’s what Pool believes. It’s the last name of the man murdered in Visalia''.

Zobsessed
02-28-2013, 02:30 PM
NEWS BREAK!

FINALLY POSSIBLE WRITING IN THE EAR/ONS CASE!

http://www.lamag.com/offtherecord

Asking for help from all interested members, even if this has not been a case you have studied much.

It would be great to ELIMINATE or INCLUDE Kaczynski and/or The Zodiac, and other suspects and killers.


I have never in any way (and still don't) think Ted K. had anything to do with either the Zodiac or EAR/ONS crimes.

I'm sorry.

Zobsessed
02-28-2013, 02:33 PM
I want to know more about the dog. If LE found the owners how did they explain it going missing ? Was it returned ? Did it wander back home etc. I have certain friends that could take my dog and he'd behave, So, I want to know more about the dog.

RH, in Michelle McNamara's article in LAMag, she mentions 5 myths about this case. One of the one's she mentions is the German Shepard.

It Was the Man with a Three-Toed White German ShepherdForensic specialists were able to determine that dog prints found outside the scene of the murders of Dr. Robert Offerman and Debra Alexandria Manning (Goleta, December 1979) came from a three-toed white German shepherd. A man with a German shepherd was allegedly spotted around the time of the murders of Cheri Domingo and Gregory Sanchez (Goleta, July 1981).

Goleta is a small town. A three-toed white German shepherd is a specific dog. Many followers of the case have glommed on to this clue, believing it may be the detail that solves the case.

But investigators from multiple jurisdictions all say the same thing: The dog is a dead end. The lead has been thoroughly checked out, and they’re comfortable with their conclusions on the issue.


Just another red herring.

Zobsessed
02-28-2013, 02:37 PM
I think the map could be at the corner of Hollister and Storke in Goleta. I wonder if the guy thought he might have had the chance to develop that area. If you turn the map so that the left side is pointing north the store area seems to match up real close. At least to my eye.

I wonder if the names on the pages might have been his idea for streetnames.

Cliff May, the house designer, seems to be in important figure in this case for me. He was from San Diego, he had spanish blood, his ancestors even had a landgrant from the Spanish. I wonder who he might have had working for him.

I am starting to believe that this case is really connected to Vicki Morgans. Seriously.

William Morgan Hetrick seems to pop up everywhere. He knew Lyman, Fletcher Jones. Arthur Jones. And so many many other people. Some of ended up dead in plane crashes. Others in jail for drug smuggling. Not that Hetrick was the Ear.

Dewclaw, you have some real specifics there. Have you ever posted on the A&E message board?

Robin Hood
02-28-2013, 02:37 PM
RH, in Michelle McNamara's article in LAMag, she mentions 5 myths about this case. One of the one's she mentions is the German Shepard.



Just another red herring.

Yeah, Dewclaw gave me some info about the dog. Thanks.

Tober
03-01-2013, 02:51 AM
AKWILKS,

Concerning your post #139:

The written and drawn items you listed and provided examples of are too similar in handwriting AND drawing syle, spacing, and scale to be able to state with reasonable probability that they were each written/drawn by different individuals; they are similar enough to warrant further examination.

Tober
03-01-2013, 08:15 PM
I have never in any way (and still don't) think Ted K. had anything to do with either the Zodiac or EAR/ONS crimes.

I'm sorry.

Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) has alibis for most of the DNA-linked Golden State Killer (EAR/ONS) crimes.

He isn't considered by LE investigators to be a suspect (at all) in that case.

AKWILKS
03-02-2013, 12:27 AM
Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) has alibis for most of the DNA-linked Golden State Killer (EAR/ONS) crimes.

He isn't considered by LE investigators to be a suspect (at all) in that case.

Well, some investigators on Zodiac and also on EAR/ONS have tried to get Ted's DNA to include or exclude him for these crimes.

The FBI established that for almost every single Unabomber crime or mailing, the majority of which were in North Cal, SF or Sacramento , they had hotel records for a hotel in Helena that Ted would stay at within 30 days of going out of state to do these CA crimes and mailings, or he would stay there with 30 days of returning from being out of state.

There are also hotel stays, indicative of out of state trips to CA, with no matching Unabomber crimes, BUT EACH IS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF A ONS CRIME, INCLUDING CRUZ IN 1986.

I have read the statements of Sacramento hotel clerks who say Ted stayed there but the FBI doesn't reveal the dates.

The FBI states that he would usually stay at this hotel in Helena, MT within a week to 30 days either before or after a crime. In other words, on his way out of state (most often to California) he would stay here, or on his way back. He sometimes left one day before paid checkout time. In regards to the four dates I can find in the relevant time period, EACH ONE COINCIDES WITH AN ORANGE COUNTY MURDER TAKING PLACE WITHIN ONE WEEK TO THIRTY DAYS OF HIS STAY.

Paid Hotel Stay Orange County Murder

April 14 - 18, 1980 Lyman and Charlene Smith, March 13, 1980

May 12 - 14, 1980 Dorothy Jane Scott, May 27, 1980

August 13 - 15, 1980 Keith and Patrice Harrington, August 19, 1980

April 7 - 9, 1986

---------------------Janelle Lisa Cruz, May 4, 1986

May 28-30, 1986

Other than a June 10, 1980 mail bombing in Chicago, there were no other bombings or mailings in 1980 or 1986.

Thus, it is unknown why Kaczynski stayed in the hotel for these times above, something he generally only did when going to or coming back from an out of state crime. Therefor it is very interesting indeed that these hotel stays, indicitive of out of state trips to CA, match ONS murders.

There was a train derailed in Goleta the week of the first ONS attack there in October 1979 - that at a time when Ted was burning trucks and earth movers and putting bombs on planes.

There was also a pipe bomb placed behind a computer store in Orange County CA - the EXACT MO OF KACZYNSKI - the summer of the Cruz murder and a few miles away from where she was killed in Orange County.

AKWILKS
03-02-2013, 12:32 AM
http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on15.jpg

In regards to the possible writing from the EAR/ONS:

Understand these items were found in the street at an EAR attack, "as if" they had fallen out of the attacker's car.

It could be a plant.

It could be that EAR/ONS stole a person's notebook from a library or school, so the notebook writing is not his, but the map and the "punishment" page are. Does the writing on the "punishment" page - "Melanie, Come from Snelling, Milling june" match or not the notebook writing?

Prof Claude Snelling was killed by the Visalia Ransacker, so if it says "Snelling" that tends to prove EAR/ONS was the VR. Detective Pool thinks it says Snelling and I agree. Some of the web researchers doubt this, and claim it says "Smell" and that the seeming "g" is just bleed through. Opinions?

Look at the way this author wrote the "g" in "Milling", and compare it to the "g" in "Snelling". I think it is a match.



http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on16.jpg
http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on17.jpg

Sacramento County Sheriff's Department- NEW EAR TIP LINE

The Sacramento Sheriff's Department has asked that their new tip line be put on the A/E board. All tips sent through this link earinfo@sacsheriff.comwill go directly to the EAR Homicide Detective Team of Clark, Belli, and Turnbull. Please understand that not every communication can be answered, but the team will make every effort to triage and investigate those tips that merit it. You may or may not be contacted by the team, as necessary. All tips will be kept confidential. The team prefers to receive tips by e-mail.

Dewclaw
03-02-2013, 02:30 PM
Has anyone considered the timeline between ONS crimes, the Delorean sting and trial, the time that Hetrick was out of the picture and in jail, and the murder of Vicki Morgan? Also the plane crashes of Judge Heaton, and Fletcher Jones? I am still not saying Hetrick was the ear, only that he might have had some contact him. When you consider that Max Mermelstein was a part of that also it makes me think that there was some dangerous people involved with Hetrick. Also that people like Barry Seal, Hetrick, Arthur Jones were all in and out of Louisianna, Florida, and Arkansas and flying in and out of the country at will. The connections between Seal, Hetrick, IranContra, Reagan and Bush, The Bloomingdales seem fascinating.

AKWILKS
03-03-2013, 03:07 AM
You are losing me a little here dewclaw, but based on your message to me, is this a better illustration of what you were trying to point out with the map and the Hollister and Storke area of Goleta? If not maybe you can create it better than me. I do see a definite interesting similarity but I do not think it is a match.


http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on10.jpg
http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/hollis11.jpg

Tober
03-03-2013, 11:37 PM
AKWILKS,

You do nice and very thorough work.

The limited sample of the assumed Golden State Killer writing is too similar (generalized) to known Ted Kaczynski writing and known Zodiac writing to rule them out as the writer, but too small of a sampling to state anything further.

Dewclaw
03-04-2013, 12:14 AM
I see a similarity on the section in the southwest corner of the intersection. If you turn the sketch one turn clockwise so the left side of the sketch is north and then align the north side to Hollister and the east side to Storke, I think the stores align fairly well. If this was a sketch from the planning stage on this development it could show me that someone was planning to build a lake there and then build the houses. Developers make many of these and submit them to the cities for approval as well as to utility companies to make arrangements on how to provide services to the houses. Very frequently they get rejected and the developers have to redo them. Also sometimes the developers send the rejected ones to the utility companies and the companies put the utilities in the wrong places. Sometimes under homes or in the middle of streets. Developers might also use these to show builders or garner financing for future work. I wonder if Lyman might have been holding up this project. If this is from Storke and Hollister, and it was from the ears occupation, I think this would be enough to find him. The fact that it was found in Sac is incredible.

Or the left side of the sketch would be Hollister, the top would be Storke. I see alot of maps like this. Dont ask me about handwriting analysis.

AKWILKS
03-04-2013, 12:30 PM
http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/ear_on18.jpghttp://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/hollis15.jpg

swelters
03-04-2013, 03:11 PM
Trying to link this guy with the unabomber is just idiotic, and a possibly damaging distraction

Dewclaw
03-04-2013, 09:11 PM
The idea I have for this sketch is that is a whole section. maybe 160 acres and a mile square. It is possible that it never approval in this form due laws concerning environmental impact, low income housing, fair land use? It seems that the houses might have been very large if you go by the scale of the drawing and that would explain a clubhouse, tennis courts, pool, and manmade lake. Its possible there would have been too much water running into it in the rainy season and not enough in the summer. If you look at what is south of the store fronts at Hollister and Storke now, it includes a park, and apts, things I would expect to see if the original didnt get approved. The fact that the sketch is written with the stores on the top of the page reinforces my opinion that it is a planning sketch for that Hollister location. On the sketch though the road to the freeway is not at the same angle, but it is still right there.

I have been wondering if it might not be his occupation but a drawing he received from someone like the Harringtons or Lyman Smith as a possible investment for him. It might have been something similar to the Delorean case. Someone brings either drugs or drug money and then gets clean money out of it. That would seem exactly like what Hetrick was doing. People like Hetrick, Michael Tsalickis, Arthur Jones.

I read somewhere about a bdsm dungeon that some teachers at McClasky were running. Can anyone tell me where to get more info about that? I am wondering if the new writing sample is really one of his students and her name and info. What if the guy was a substitute teacher there at mcClasky and the nearby schools?

I havent been able to get on aetv site now since Sat am. I made a map to compare to the sketch but I cant get it uploaded.

Dewclaw
03-04-2013, 09:39 PM
I was just thinking about this also. Back then there were many male teachers who worked construction in the summer. Sierra Vista Middle School, there in Northwoods, was a brand new school back in 1980. Is it possible that one of the new teachers there was from Sacramento? There first year there was actually held over in Tustin and then transferred over the following year, to where the campus is now. I still have my yearbook.

Dewclaw
03-05-2013, 10:38 PM
The story behind the decal is that an El Camino was seen on the Levy near the time of an attack nearby with that decal. At another time an El Camino with a nearly identical description on the decal was seen. Although the vehicles were different colors, the second one was seen at North Island, near Coronado by a miltary personnel.

I copied this from one of the posters off of aetv. They know so much about the case but but because of the way the threads are it is so hard to find info like this. This seems so important also. Does anyone know what year of El Camino it was? I think Robin Hood was onto to something with the Milling and CKM connection. I wonder if anybody at that school would recognize the car.

I havent been able to log on to AETV for days.

Dewclaw
03-05-2013, 10:51 PM
According to a sworn statement by DEA agent Crawford, who has been investigating the Cali Cartel since 1978, Tsalickis has been involved in importing cocaine since 1983. He and his family are suspected of laundering drug proceeds through businesses in Pinellas County, including the Tarpon Financial Center at 855 U.S. 19 S, an office and warehouse complex in Tarpon Springs

http://www.tampabay.com/news/massive-load-of-cocaine-seized-in-pinellas-county-in-1988/994818


Just some more interesting things possibly related to Lyman, Hetrick, Jones, Mermelstein.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 01:06 AM
In 1972, twenty-six Brown Berets occupied the Santa Catalina Island and claimed it for Mexico. However, by this time, the organization had been weakened by internal conflicts and police and FBI infiltration.

Excerpt of history of the Brown Berets.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 01:09 AM
January 1970
La Raza of Logan Heights was threatened with violence by the Hells Angels. The San Diego Brown
Beret responded promptly to protect the Barrio effectively thwarting them.

April 22, 1970
The San Diego Brown Beret occupy the land that was to be a California Highway Patrol station in
Logan Heights under the Coronado Bridge, forming Chicano Park, which has now become a symbol
of Chicano pride and power that is famous around the world.

Summer 1970
The Brown Beret were promoted and organized in various California prisons, as well as in parts of
Mexico, Europe, and Asia by Chicano U.S. Military personnel that agreed with Brown Beret goals
and plans.

May 5, 1971
The Brown Beret marched one thousand miles from Calexico to Sacramento in “La Marcha de la
Reconquista” to protest statewide against racial and institutionalized discrimination, police brutality,
and the high number of Chicano casualties in Vietnam.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 01:18 AM
Besides Los Angeles, the Brown Berets claim to have chapters in 27 other cities including Fresno, San Francisco, Sacramento, Berkeley, Oxnard, Denver, Albuquerque and San Antonio. The members range in age from 14 to 35.

At a recent Chicano youth liberation conference in Denver, at which many Brown Berets participated mostly as security guards, about 1,500 Chicano youths from the five Southwestern states adopted a statement of beliefs which condemned the "brutal gringo invasion of our territories."

Brown Berets look up to the leadership of Reies Lopez Tijerina, the New Mexico land grants crusader, and Rodolfo (Corky) Gonzales, leader of the Denver-based civil rights organization, the Crusade for Justice. Both men preach ethnic nationalism and separatism.

http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft058002v2&chunk.id=d0e7070&toc.id=d0e7070&brand=eschol

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 01:22 AM
Besides Los Angeles, the Brown Berets claim to have chapters in 27 other cities including Fresno, San Francisco, Sacramento, Berkeley, Oxnard, Denver, Albuquerque and San Antonio. The members range in age from 14 to 35.

At a recent Chicano youth liberation conference in Denver, at which many Brown Berets participated mostly as security guards, about 1,500 Chicano youths from the five Southwestern states adopted a statement of beliefs which condemned the "brutal gringo invasion of our territories."

Brown Berets look up to the leadership of Reies Lopez Tijerina, the New Mexico land grants crusader, and Rodolfo (Corky) Gonzales, leader of the Denver-based civil rights organization, the Crusade for Justice. Both men preach ethnic nationalism and separatism.

http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft058002v2&chunk.id=d0e7070&toc.id=d0e7070&brand=eschol

On one wall is the startling legend in large black letters "Por mi raza mato." (For my race, I kill.) The organization was recently given an eviction notice by the landlord. The previous Brown Beret headquarters on Soto St. was bombed last Christmas Eve.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 01:43 AM
I was born in Sacramento, California. I first got involved with the Chicano Movement in the late 60s and then into the early zany 70s.

I was born into a Mexican-American family. English was the dominant language in the home. I was raised to speak English. Both my parents were bi-lingual, speaking both English and Spanish. Language is the key element in a people’s culture. Now I am not fluent in Spanish. As children we were told that we were Mexicans, though I knew we were not really the same as Mexicans from Mexico. We were raised in a bi-cultural society, but the dominant influence was still White Amerikan culture. We were not Mexicans from Mexico nor were we fully accepted into White racist Amerikan society as U.S. citizens.

In the late 60s, mainly because of the influence of the Civil Rights Movement many African-Americans were calling themselves ‘black’ with pride, not Negros. For us in Sacra, the concept of being a Chicano came north from Mexico down south through the Chicanos of East Los Angeles. It was a new term that gave us a sense of identity as a people that we did not have before. Chicanos were the hyphen in Mexican-American. We were not color blind yet neither were we stuck on color. Having mainly brown skin with a wide variation in skin color we were more aware of and sensitive to basic cultural differences than skin color.

Another excerpt from an activist account.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 02:02 AM
My land is lost
And stolen,
My culture has been raped.
I lengthen the line at the welfare door
And fill the jails with crime.
These then are the rewards
This society has
For sons of chiefs
And kings
And bloody revolutionists,


excerpt of the poem "I Am Joaquin"
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/latinos/joaquin.htm

Robin Hood
03-06-2013, 03:24 AM
I've had no luck with the BDSM dungeon, can't find a thing.

Working through the online book 'Sudden Terror' by Larry Compton to see if I can get more general info on the case. here's the link for a free read

http://www.scribd.com/doc/74858423/Sudden-Terror

The AETV site is a jumbled mess, I contacted admin days ago but had no reply. There's missing posts, threads etc - What a crucial time to have this happen, right after Michelle McNamara's article in a place where, as Dewclaw says, all the best posters and info is kept.

A general observation - two real estate people remember having contact with a guy who was pock marked from acne. He had gone checking properties using a story that he was looking for a relative. He didn't check the normal things in the two houses, spent his time looking at windows and entry points. He lied about who he worked for and gave a false name.
One of the victims was told (while he was wearing his mask) that people made fun of him because of his facial deformity, I believe he was being truthful.
This guy knew if anybody saw his face he would soon be caught because he was pock marked.
We could do worse than look at year books, starting with McClatchy school and other schools and academys.
I can't acess them because I'm in UK, would some kind US citizen maybe take some time out and look ?

Somebody else suggested year books on AETV forum
http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=582677

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 04:41 AM
We might add Sutter Junior Highschool to that list.

Robin Hood
03-06-2013, 05:03 AM
This might be the thread regarding the decal on the El Camino seen on the levy

http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?w=278284&as=119137&d=674853&d-1169404-p=1

Robin Hood
03-06-2013, 01:04 PM
The story behind the decal is that an El Camino was seen on the Levy near the time of an attack nearby with that decal. At another time an El Camino with a nearly identical description on the decal was seen. Although the vehicles were different colors, the second one was seen at North Island, near Coronado by a miltary personnel.

I copied this from one of the posters off of aetv. They know so much about the case but but because of the way the threads are it is so hard to find info like this. This seems so important also. Does anyone know what year of El Camino it was? I think Robin Hood was onto to something with the Milling and CKM connection. I wonder if anybody at that school would recognize the car.

I havent been able to log on to AETV for days.

The El Camino was seen on the 5/17/77 in the area of Sand Bar, Carmichael. Possible year 1976/77
Partial plate #366

info here SMW_E1.wmv - YouTube

I'm trying to contact Archangel from the AETV forums re. Michael Manier who owned the Oldsmobile coupe plate TOR 505 died by suicide in feb'76 in police custody.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 07:09 PM
His stepfather was an Italian and in the waste disposal business? I guess that isnt a stereotype.

http://community.aetv.com/_Hollister-and-Storke/photo/18755666/119137.html?enlarge=true

That is a comparison of the of the sketch and a map hollister and storke. Its better if you google it with the satelite image. I think the stores match up real close. I think the creeks coming together would be a natural spot to put a lake. Also the proximity to the highway seems important. As well as the general topography. I dont think the fact that the streets ended up different is a reason not to investigate the history of this property. Maybe the stores were already built and the drawer was just trying to come up with the layout for the homes. Maybe some teacher chose that site at random. If Lyman had some connection to the development I would think that his murder would not be as random as some suggest.

Dewclaw
03-06-2013, 07:18 PM
http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=730414

This thread has some more info about the oldsmobile.

Robin Hood
03-07-2013, 02:11 AM
http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=730414

This thread has some more info about the oldsmobile.

Yeah, that's where Archangel was asking for info on the ownership of the car after it was towed. I want to speak to him re. that very info.

Dewclaw
03-07-2013, 02:35 AM
Read the thread titled "Davis 6/24/78 Golden Bear Sportswear Jacket" Guessting supplied us with new, very interesting information about the jacket. It appears the EAR/ONS left behind a blue suede Golden Bear brand jacket. Trying to trace the jacket, they could only find two stores in San Francisco that definitely carried that jacket in that color and both were gay leather apparel stores. (That jacket was carried in Sacramento but the manager and an employee say they don't believe they carried it in that color) In a psycological profile it is stated that they believed EAR/ONS was in a "homosexual panic" and now the connection to the gay apparel store, ergo the double meaning of "in the closet".

Sandia posted this.
http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=710869&d-1169404-p=3

Dewclaw
03-07-2013, 02:53 AM
Zforce said this.
At the very least it shows there is "leather" connection.

http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=578409

Dewclaw
03-07-2013, 03:07 AM
http://www.colorsofleather.com/Titleholders/S.htm

This page shows winners of past "leather" events.

Robin Hood
03-07-2013, 02:15 PM
I think I've got this right. The car (reg TOR 505) owned by Michael Manier who died in Police custody in feb'76 was seen near the rape on 18th Oct 1976 in Del Dayo, Carmichael possibly being driven by EAR/ONS. That, is just under 10 miles from Michael's parents address from the 1940 census. That could put our guy local to the Midtown area.

Dewclaw
03-07-2013, 08:51 PM
I have some addresses associated with what I have been following that are between 16th, 21st, and Hst and the railroad bridge.

Does anyone know if there has been any connection with Pendola ranch?

The reason I brought up the brown berets is that if you look at the uniforms they are wearing you can see they have spent a vast amount of time creating them. Finding symbols, and colors, and creating a meaning for themselves. Back in the 70's I have read that there were many chicano vets attending CSUS on the GI Bill. I dont think it is too far of a stretch to say that the decal could have actually been created by a group like this. They might have modeled it after some group they were a part of in their own US service or some south american group that was committing atrocities in the dirty war they were having. There was actually a group in the Sac area that was doing this. For a brief time their acronym was "AFC". But they were mexican american and the EAR had blue eyes. And everybody knows that mexican americans dont have blue eyes. So why would anybody suspect them.

Also how common was it that the EAR stole camera equipment?

Also, it seems like there were two things going on. There is the sexual part of the rape. Where the EAR seemed to have trouble with limpness and .... And there was the domination and terror which the EAR did not seem to have any problem with. The EAR would seem to be a likely candidate for BDSM. And not just some weekend warrior but possibly a well respected and revered member of clubs. I would like to ask if it matters who the EAR was terrorizing, whether male or female, does the sex even matter to him. If he knew your worst fear, reagardless if he enjoyed it or not, wouldnt that be the one he would choose. A women violated while the man watched or listened, helpless to save her. Knowing that their lives would somehow be frozen in that moment. Could the ear have even been gay? Or bi-sexual? And trying to get his own revenge against the "breeders"? San Francisco was having riots during this period.

Drugs. Mermelstein. Hetrick. Jones.

Could any of the above help to explain what happened?

Robin Hood
03-08-2013, 03:46 AM
Dewclaw, my address is the same address as yours, if I'm following it right.

Edited to add. 2 miles from McClatchy school, 35 min walk or 13 mins by bike. I'm thinking Michael could have gone to McClatchy, I would love to find out who his friends were.
Born 1948, so it would be easy enough to find his teachers (if they are still alive) Michaels younger brother might have friends they shared.

McClatchy school, where June Millington writes on the wall

''June June Millington wrote on Sep 07, 2011:

hey all you homies! June and Jean Millington will be do a show at the Palms on Sat October 8th ~ we started at McClatchy in '65 and haven't looked back, rockin' and rolling

link http://www.alumniclass.com/ckmcclatchy/class-of-1966

Dewclaw
03-08-2013, 10:52 PM
this is from a post by portofleith on aetv



Car Decal
This is a significant decal or car sticker for two reasons.
1. it was observed on a suspicious vehicle in the neighborhood of the Sac attack referenced in the poem.

2. it was later noted at an illegal entry into Naval Amphibious base Coronado. When the gate guard questioned the unrecognizable sticker, he was told that North Island NAS was the origin. The driver then gave the guard a name and social security number that was later determined to belong to someone else.

http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=278284&d=674853&d-1169404-p=2

Dewclaw
03-09-2013, 03:31 PM
This a long post. I want to put down some ideas. some references.

Johnny Cash. Man in Black. Ballad of Ira Hayes. Folsom Prison Blues. The Wanderer. When I listen to these songs and think about the EAR, it seems plausible that this could be someone he might have listened to. It is odd how different the interpretation of these songs can be with those crimes on your mind.
This is from conquistador1521 from aetv
"In the book "Sudden Terror" several days before the attack on a babysitter in the Little Pocket neighborhood a nurse noticed (who lived on the same street as the attack would occur on) a strange character came into Stockton hospital. He said he was "Jack from Quincy" singing a Johnny Cash song and mentioned sexual problems.

A popular TV show at the time was Quincy, M.E.

It aired 10/3/1976 - 9/5/1983

It stars JACK Klugman in the role of a Los Angeles County Medical examiner who routinely butted heads with LE in order to solve cases."




Mexican TV. Masks and hoods seem much more prevalent in that culture.

Mexican Indian idea of Nagual. Could he have thought of himself as the White Wolf?

Pancho Villa. Numerous belt buckles in his honor.

Janelle Cruz murder on Cinco De Mayo.

Day of the Dad celebrations. That culture spends a great deal of time preparing for that. Google it and look at all the masks and symbolism.

Batman, Spiderman, and comic books. Bdsm. We are influenced by our environment. If the ear as a child had been introduced to these he might have borrowed from them. PG 89 of ST. “He was wearing a mask,” Rose began. “It was like a hood and had a slit for his eyes, but didn’t have any mouth or nose holes cut in it. It covered his whole head and I think it was nylon, but not like nylonstocking. It wasn’t that tight. He had on a brown t-shirt that went tohis hips and he had a wide belt around his waist, like something a tele-phone man would wear. I think it was brown.” I believe he was also naked from the waist down.

Could his parents have been part of a bdsm group? Or dealers in porn.

Movies.
Bonnie and Clyde. Bonnie wrote poetry. It was notable in that she put apostrophes around certain words. Also rumours of Clydes sexual deviance.
the Story Of O. Preceded rapes by one year.
Hitch Hike released in Europe in 77, somewhat coinciding with change in MO.
The good the bad and the ugly. Use of diamond knot.

Jobs or hobbies with exacting steps and established values. Stamps, guns, porn.
coin collecting
http://www.nasc.net/directory_of_individual_members.htm
Photography.
ST describing photography equipment being stolen. Depending on what it was, whether camera, lense, flash, could be a bulky item and with various quality. Some lenses look as good as others but were valueless. Usually the weight of the lense was important. Did he have a good idea of what was valuable? Was he willing to sacrifice his ability to flea for some unknown value. Or was his knowledge similar to his quest for jewelry. I get a sense that value wasnt important in relation to the jewelry.

Robin Hood
03-09-2013, 03:58 PM
Dewclaw, what is 'Pendola Ranch' ?

Dewclaw
03-09-2013, 06:50 PM
I should have written Camp.

Welcome to Camp Pendola!
Home of the official youth ministry summer camp for the Diocese of Sacramento

The property of Pendola Center was donated to the Diocese of Sacramento in 1959, in the memory of Frank Pendola, for use as a summer camp for children. It was first used in the summer of 1960 under the direction of Fr. Keith Kenny with approximately 30 campers staying for one ten-day session. Since 1960, the camp has grown to include 8 seven-day sessions plus a one-week training session. In 2004 we added a one-week music camp and a second Family Camp weekend

This is from their website. I found a reference by one of the poi's. I have been going through old articles and then following the references. I also found one of them had an old blog with some kind of search spider on it. I also found a reference to COPA. That might have been what was on the jacket. I dont know what it is. Maybe "community outreach political action", If it falls into the theory as I have been trying to build. I believe thay had an office right there near the addresses we discussed.

Dewclaw
03-12-2013, 01:26 AM
This is an article about the golf course and the parcel of land there at Holister and Storke in Goleta. It is by John Olson. It not only describes the area that I think the sketch came from, but also the manner in which it was developed.

http://www.independent.com/news/2012/dec/13/ocean-meadows-futures/

"Fifty years ago in the Good Land of Goleta the Bishop Ranch property stretched to the ocean. Southwest of the country roads intersection of Storke and Hollister were 640 acres of grassy fields criss-crossed by gulches and a few agricultural access roads. Geologically, the area was a “fan delta” created by repeated erosion of the hills to the north, resulting in seasonal mud flows toward the ocean. The gulches certainly had winter water-flow but were generally dry in summer.

In 1960, a proposal was put forth and accepted by the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors to allow the owners to design a community and sell parcels for development. Maps were drawn, road easements were created, and a community was put on paper. To allow home building, massive grading was undertaken to straighten the gulches and create storm drainage from Hollister Avenue to the ocean.

Part of this flood-control grading was the creation of a 63-acre flood plain we now know as the Ocean Meadows Golf Course. The civil engineers wisely found a dual purpose for this flood water collection area. It was first a collector for storm runoff and secondly, a golf course that could accept the annual flooding. That’s how Ocean Meadows Golf Course was conceived.

Following the accepted community plan, a golf course was built around 1966. Further grading was minimal, with mounding for greens and tees and some improvements to area drainage. Culvert crossings and bridges were installed to facilitate golf. Devereux Creek and the Phelps Ditch were gulches that were then named. To control the silting of the existing semi-wet-land toward the ocean a weir (a low dam) was installed. The weir helped reduce the silting of the slough to the south by slowing flood runoff, allowing the silt to drop out of the storm runoff. This low dam saved the now Devereux Slough from filling with seasonal silt."

Dewclaw
03-12-2013, 01:50 AM
There is a health foundation, home there called Devereux.

"Devereux has a continuum of care for children, adolescents and adults, ranging from residential and day treatment programs, community-based group homes, respite care programs, hospital inpatient and outpatient settings, partial hospitalization, transitional living arrangements, supervised apartments, foster care homes and special education day schools. As well, Devereux offers family counseling and therapy, preventive and post-discharge services, after care programs, and vocational and pre-vocational training. Please take a moment to browse through the following Devereux services."

•Autism spectrum disorders
•Intellectual/Developmental Disabilities (I/DD)
•Emotional and Behavioral Disorders
•Substance Abuse
•Sexual Disorders
•Medically Fragile
•Transitional Age (18-22)
•At Risk Behaviors

http://www.devereux.org/site/PageServer?pagename=who

Is it possible the ear was a patient there and stole the sketch from one of homes in the neighborhood?

Robin Hood
03-12-2013, 04:39 AM
Lots to catch up on, was looking at the theory he was institutionalised at some point.

AKWILKS
03-13-2013, 02:15 PM
TV story based on the new LA Magazine article:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=9022659

FULL EAR/ONS POEM


Excitement's Crave

All those mortal's surviving birth
Upon facing maturity,
Take inventory of their worth
To prevailing society.

Choosing values becomes a task;
Oneself must seek satisfaction.
The selected route will unmask
Character when plans take action

Accepting some work to perform
At fixed pay, but promise for more,
Is a recognized social norm,
As is decorum, seeking lore.

Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame.
Leisure tempts excitement seeking,
What's right and expected seems tame.

"Jessie James" has been seen by all,
And "Son of Sam" has an author.
Others now feel temptations call.
Sacramento should make an offer.

To make a movie of my life
That will pay for my planned exile.
Just now I'd like to add the wife
Of a Mafia lord to my file.

Your East Area Rapist
And deserving pest
See you in the press or on T.V.


Last line of May 1978 possible Zodiac letter:

See you in the News!

The "P", "L" and "S" seem identical on the Lumber Mill bomb sign (done by the Bari bomber - probably Ted Kaczynski) and the May 78 "Zodiac" letter.

The writer of the May 78 "Zodiac" letter used the exact same Norse - Germanic style as the writer of the Lumber Mill bomb.


http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/14/94/97/81/sign_n10.gifhttp://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/14/94/97/81/please11.jpg

Interesting observation from Kite. Interesting considering that I don't think the use of the words LEISURE and TAME are all that common - not rare words, but not commonly used in everday speech all the time.

KITE: Looking at a section of the poem from Page One here in this topic:
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame
LEISURE TEMPTS EXCITEMENT SEEKING
What's right and expected seems TAME

From the Unabomber Manifesto section 34:
(History shows that LEISURED aristocracies tend to become decadent.)....(But, LEISURED, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized even though they have power.) And TAMED is used not far from this at 52(...small-scale communities that are emasculated, TAMED, and made into tools of the system).

The new evidence proves that the EAR/ONS started as the Visalia Ransacker (VR) and Maggiore Killer, as I had said before, which means the VR and Maggiore Killer sketches I posted were correct.

COMPARISON OF MAGGIORE KILLER SKETCH AND TED KACZYNSKI

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/14/94/97/81/ted_ka33.jpg


Comparison of VR sketch and two pics of Ted Kaczynski 1970's.
http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka28.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali16.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka20.jpg

Comparison of side view of VR sketch and side view of Ted Kaczynski

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/visali17.jpghttp://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/14/94/97/81/ted_ka25.jpg

nutkin
03-17-2013, 11:35 AM
I believe the EAR/ONS could have been a climber. The description of his legs, the knots, and the fact that this occurred in CA (where climbing is pretty big) lead me to this conclusion.

Robin Hood
03-18-2013, 10:28 AM
Re. the writing on the journal. Some thoughts on the words ''Punishment' 'Jeune' 'Milling' and 'Melanie'

'Punishment of Luxury' is a band that would be getting played in the mid to late 70's. You MUST listen to this on youtube, remind you of anything ?

Punishment of Luxury

Punishment Of Luxury Puppet Life - YouTube


June and jean Millington were a band

June Millington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Melanie

Melanie Safka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it possible he was sat in his car, listening to the radio (and possibly LE broadcasts)

Did he write down stuff he liked ?

Also
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/punishment_of_luxury/laughing_academy/

"....So what does all this psychoanalytical nonsense have to do with Punishment Of Luxury's Laughing Academy? Well, included is a track called "Obsession" about a would-be stalker/rapist/murderer trying to come to terms with what he is and what he feels compelled to do. It had a powerful effect on me as I could relate to his turmoil and anguish...."

Last post on the page by "grampus"

Robin Hood
03-18-2013, 10:41 AM
Punishment of Luxury Lyrics to 'Obsession'

http://www.gugalyrics.com/lyrics-1661776/punishment-of-luxury-obsession.html

All the best girls belong to somebody else through a window.
I've seen it all before up here in the grey of my room -
"I'm watching every move you make.
I'm watching every breath you take"

maima
03-25-2013, 03:03 PM
Just saw this article... I hope Orange County and Sacramento law enforcement will get a match with DNA from the EAR-ONS.

Cold Case Prosecutors Seek DNA from Dead California Inmates (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/22/local/la-me-dead-inmate-dna-20130323) - Los Angeles Times, 3/22/2013

"Prosecutors say they believe the program is the first in the nation to target potentially thousands of offenders who have died in prison or while on parole before a biological sample could be tested for DNA as required by state law.
......(snip).....
"Although such successes will not usually help with a criminal prosecution, officials involved in the program say that knowing the full extent of dead offenders' crimes could help cold-case detectives avoid wasting time investigating other suspects and bring relief to crime victims and their families, who finally learn the truth about who was responsible.

"'We owe it to these families — whether the person is dead or not — to provide the answers that they're entitled to. That's the primary goal,' said Anne Marie Schubert, a supervising deputy district attorney in Sacramento who is spearheading the effort.'"

maima
03-25-2013, 06:04 PM
And, just saw this link someone posted on the AETV EAR-ONS message board that LE has released another recording of what they believe to be the East Area Rapist's voice (from 1977).

(NSFW - strong language)
http://www.lamag.com/offtherecord/2013/03/25/new-evidence-investigators-release-a-third-recording-believed-to-be-of-the-golden-state-killers-voice

LA Magazine has recently featured the EAR-ONS case.

http://www.lamag.com/killer/

The writer is Michelle McNamara (who also blogs at TrueCrimeDiary.com).

AKWILKS
03-27-2013, 01:22 PM
I just got these NEW documents in the EAR/ONS Golden State Killer case from Michelle McNamara of http://www.truecrimediary.com .

She is the author of the excellent new LA Magazine article on the Golden State Killer case http://www.lamag.com/killer/ .

This is the possible writing from the killer, it was found near a crime scene at a spot to where dogs had traced to, as if it may have fallen out of the attacker's vehicle. Or they could be pages from a notebook GSK stole, or they could be an intentional plant. The first is writing on General Custer, perhaps a homework assignment. The other two pages are seemingly from a journal describing anger at his elementary school teacher.

Does anyone recognize this handwriting, word usage or phrase usage?



http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/genera10.jpg

http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/mad_is10.jpg

http://i76.servimg.com/u/f76/14/94/97/81/mad_is11.jpg

nutkin
03-27-2013, 07:29 PM
The first one, at least to me, looks like it was written by a female.

STANDREID
03-27-2013, 07:47 PM
If I was going to bet (and it wouldn't be much), I'd guess these writings are the work of a high schooler - the last part maybe an assignment by a guidance counselor who was trying to get this person to let out his frustrations. That doesn't mean that it didn't come from the killer since he could have been carrying them around in his car.

SophieRose
04-13-2013, 01:11 AM
I'm curious about his move from the Sacramento metro area to Contra Costa County in late 1978, even driving as far south as San Jose (Santa Clara County.) Did he get a job in Contra Costa County?

SophieRose
04-13-2013, 04:21 PM
Larry Compton' in his book "Sudden Terror" states that the two SJ victims were "Oriental" (hey things like food or furniture can be Oriental, but people are Asian) and the ficticious names given are Japanese sounding. I bet the rapes, occuring a month a part in late 1978, happened in Japantown, a small neighborhood located just north of downtown SJ, and maybe a mile from HW880. I wonder if he could have frequented one of the Japanese restaurants in the area.

SophieRose
04-15-2013, 11:29 PM
Larry Compton' in his book "Sudden Terror" states that the two SJ victims were "Oriental" (hey things like food or furniture can be Oriental, but people are Asian) and the ficticious names given are Japanese sounding. I bet the rapes, occuring a month a part in late 1978, happened in Japantown, a small neighborhood located just north of downtown SJ, and maybe a mile from HW880. I wonder if he could have frequented one of the Japanese restaurants in the area.

No, the two rapes in San Jose occurred in the Berryessa district.

kline
05-28-2013, 07:16 AM
A newbie to this case,I just started playing catch up research....I find it incredible that this case has stayed so far below the Radar that it is not well known outside of California and that I had scarcely heard of it.(I like to think Im a litle bit more tuned in to this sort of thing then alot of folks.)
This guy was FAR more prolific and savage then 'Zodiac' ever thought of being and that case is iconic.
I really find the nearly five year gap between the 1981 murders and his last one in 1986 very intriguing.
I almost have a gut feeling this guy spotted the female victims in public and trailed them to where they lived...all of them seemed to be, judging from the few photos available head turningly attractive.
I guess that could be just coincidence,it IS California.
(Sorry 'head turningly' probably isnt really a word but you get what I mean...how about 'exceptionally')

Ausgirl
05-28-2013, 09:03 PM
How can I pass by a thread starring my old mates Robin Hood and Kline - and EAR/ONS to boot? I cannot, of course!

Just some quick comments for now...

This case isn't all that obscure - it's been pretty well known for many years over here, at least among people who follow crime cases.. and EAR/ONS (I flat out refuse to call him 'The Golden State Killer', as seriously? re-naming an unsub after thirty years is a bit of an ego trip, isn't it...) is up there with Zodiac as a mystery perp.

I'm fascinated by the masked mouth/clenched teeth/high pitched voice when excited thing. Some have said he could have had a speech impediment/cleft palate though witness descriptions generally refute this. I do think he had reason to feel self-conscious about his face/voice, though (a witness said he'd mentioned a facial deformity of some kind - acne scars.. a cleft palate scar that was maybe almost invisible to anyone else, but a huge thing to EAR/ONS.. etc)

A possibly unrelated by marginally relevant anecdote: Many moons ago in college a friend brought this amazingly hot looking guy to a party at my house.. He was average height, muscular and very good looking, but when he opened his mouth, the whole room just .. stopped and stared. His voice was incredibly high pitched, like a jockey's and just so incongruous coming out of the mouth of this buff guy..

Anyway, we didn't ask but assumed he had some kind of hormone disorder, though his muscular frame suggested to some of us that he was on steroids.. This poor guy from the 80's (I feel bad about how we all stared at him, of course) has always popped to mind when I read about EAR/ONS and his squeaky voice.

I have also often thought he probably perceived himself as a severe disappointment (as far as 'being a man' goes) to one or both parents, almost certainly his father but clearly there's some 'Mommy' issues there, too.. I have wondered if he witnessed brutality/rape within his parents' relationship.

I think he would be drawn to military/police/uniform jobs like that but not in the 'heroic' role he probably fantasised about, more like someone working the office in a minor role. Probably was rejected from one academy or another..

I think his dad was hardcore military, though. Call that a gut feeling backed up by his general demeanour..

Anyways, I am in the middle of reading some stuff on EAR/ONS - will return to the thread when I am done with that. Glad this is being discussed here.

ceecee30
05-29-2013, 12:48 AM
Annec at least two other posted speculated the same thing about Mint Car.

Some of the posts must have gone because I can't find them, I can see mint car's post and find it extremely odd he posts 3 times in 2007 only on this case. No other posts for him at all..

My Opinion Only - highly possible EAR/ONS has checked in here time to time and even posted.

I'll tell you how bad the EAR-ONS case freaked me out - I was too scared to even POST on the old thread! And then I got all paranoid that the poster called "Mint Car" (which of course I could construe as a creepy name b/c I was already nervous) actually MIGHT BE the perp and....just whoa.

Completely freaked me out!

I've read this whole thread today, and was game enough to listen to the recorded call, now I'm jumpy as hell just hearing that recording!

kline
05-29-2013, 03:53 AM
How can I pass by a thread starring my old mates Robin Hood and Kline - and EAR/ONS to boot? I cannot, of course!

Just some quick comments for now...

This case isn't all that obscure - it's been pretty well known for many years over here, at least among people who follow crime cases.. and EAR/ONS (I flat out refuse to call him 'The Golden State Killer', as seriously? re-naming an unsub after thirty years is a bit of an ego trip, isn't it...) is up there with Zodiac as a mystery perp.

I'm fascinated by the masked mouth/clenched teeth/high pitched voice when excited thing. Some have said he could have had a speech impediment/cleft palate though witness descriptions generally refute this. I do think he had reason to feel self-conscious about his face/voice, though (a witness said he'd mentioned a facial deformity of some kind - acne scars.. a cleft palate scar that was maybe almost invisible to anyone else, but a huge thing to EAR/ONS.. etc)

A possibly unrelated by marginally relevant anecdote: Many moons ago in college a friend brought this amazingly hot looking guy to a party at my house.. He was average height, muscular and very good looking, but when he opened his mouth, the whole room just .. stopped and stared. His voice was incredibly high pitched, like a jockey's and just so incongruous coming out of the mouth of this buff guy..

Anyway, we didn't ask but assumed he had some kind of hormone disorder, though his muscular frame suggested to some of us that he was on steroids.. This poor guy from the 80's (I feel bad about how we all stared at him, of course) has always popped to mind when I read about EAR/ONS and his squeaky voice.

I have also often thought he probably perceived himself as a severe disappointment (as far as 'being a man' goes) to one or both parents, almost certainly his father but clearly there's some 'Mommy' issues there, too.. I have wondered if he witnessed brutality/rape within his parents' relationship.

I think he would be drawn to military/police/uniform jobs like that but not in the 'heroic' role he probably fantasised about, more like someone working the office in a minor role. Probably was rejected from one academy or another..

I think his dad was hardcore military, though. Call that a gut feeling backed up by his general demeanour..

Anyways, I am in the middle of reading some stuff on EAR/ONS - will return to the thread when I am done with that. Glad this is being discussed here. HI Ausgirl!!!!!!
Good to see you post!!!
Im very new to this case and Im attempting to catch up on the material from various places(must admit its nice researching a case that ISNT in my back yard for a change)so im trying to refrain from asking newbie questions that are probably common knowledge to the more intiated with this case.
Like said before Im amazed a case of this magnitude has recieved far less attention then many.
To me with the exception of Z's Newspaper histrionics it surpasses Zodiac on many levels.
I do think a military connection may be a factor like you surmise.
Im sure others have noted the Tactical like elements of his attacks that jumped out at me.
I know the EAR/ONS is known as a prowler and a peeper but as I noted earlier it struck me that his female victims dont appear to me at least, as women he happened upon by chance looking through windows.
They were almost without exception very striking looking.
Like women one would notice out of a crowd in a store or on the street.
I think he spotted them trailed them to where they lived then began the tactical planning of the attack on the residence.
I would be willing to bet he was living in the general vicinity of the Withuhn 1981 attack and the Cruz attack in 1986 during his nearly five year hiatus...
It makes one wonder what brought him out of retirement in 86, possibly returning to the neigborhood after an incarceration or some traumatic stressor in his life or whether he just spotted Janelle Cruz somehwere and she rang his bell so hard he couldnt resist.
I keep thinking of Gary Ridgeways 'retirement' in the Green River case.
I dont think we can just assume anymore that the perp MUST be dead or incarcerated.
I mean at the fever pitch he was at with his assaults its an easy assumption to make but the Green River killer was damn near killing three or four women a week before he just stopped.
Maybe he developed a passion for swap meets and rummage sales in his older years too and still lives in the area.

Ausgirl
05-29-2013, 10:22 AM
Nice to see you too, Kline! I have to agree with you, regarding ear/ons vs Zodiac, ear/ons was more prolific and much, much bolder.. not such a publicity hound, though.

Just a few additional thoughts maybe worth jotting down..

Idk. I have this funny feeling either this guy's the rarest bird around or he was seriously messing with the cops, giving little red herrings all over the place.. I can't honestly say at this point which I think is more accurate.

- He's a non-secretor. 20% of people are non-secretors.

- He -might- be colour blind. But not the usual red/green kind, the rarer blue/green kind. Around 0.01% of men cannot tell blue from green. IF he actually was colour blind (as suggested by his clearly mistaking blue for green in a victim's home) and he'd been in the armed forces in some capacity, he'd have likely had restrictions such as not being able to work with electronics (due to wiring colours) or perhaps prevented from flying planes..

- He -might- stutter. 1% of the population stutter. A little less, if you disinclude women (4 times as many men stutter as women). ear/ons stuttered in front of some victims and not others... this doesn't mean he's faking it, necessarily - he might have faced a particular stressor during some crimes and not others that caused him to stutter. But yeah, maybe he was faking it too.


So - either this guy a super rare bird who, given all these 'rarities' ought to have been id'd by now! By somebody? Jeez..

Or - he was hyper manipulative and planting red herrings left and right, just so, dropping fake 'hints' to victims and such, and thus potentially was more focussed on the 'sport' of outwitting cops than the actual rapes (which, to be blunt, were mechanically perfunctory and not very confident compared to the level of stalking and terrorising.. )

I think he was very used to people underestimating his intelligence and level of aggression - and knew how to use that to his advantage. Call that another 'gut feeling' for now. But every mask has to slip sooner or later. Somebody surely saw this guy lose it, in his regular life - exposing the monster underneath.

I find it hard to think about this guy never being id'd.. Can't imagine how it stressed the investigating cops and his victims out.

kline
06-01-2013, 03:15 AM
Nice to see you too, Kline! I have to agree with you, regarding ear/ons vs Zodiac, ear/ons was more prolific and much, much bolder.. not such a publicity hound, though.

Just a few additional thoughts maybe worth jotting down..

Idk. I have this funny feeling either this guy's the rarest bird around or he was seriously messing with the cops, giving little red herrings all over the place.. I can't honestly say at this point which I think is more accurate.

- He's a non-secretor. 20% of people are non-secretors.

- He -might- be colour blind. But not the usual red/green kind, the rarer blue/green kind. Around 0.01% of men cannot tell blue from green. IF he actually was colour blind (as suggested by his clearly mistaking blue for green in a victim's home) and he'd been in the armed forces in some capacity, he'd have likely had restrictions such as not being able to work with electronics (due to wiring colours) or perhaps prevented from flying planes..

- He -might- stutter. 1% of the population stutter. A little less, if you disinclude women (4 times as many men stutter as women). ear/ons stuttered in front of some victims and not others... this doesn't mean he's faking it, necessarily - he might have faced a particular stressor during some crimes and not others that caused him to stutter. But yeah, maybe he was faking it too.


So - either this guy a super rare bird who, given all these 'rarities' ought to have been id'd by now! By somebody? Jeez..

Or - he was hyper manipulative and planting red herrings left and right, just so, dropping fake 'hints' to victims and such, and thus potentially was more focussed on the 'sport' of outwitting cops than the actual rapes (which, to be blunt, were mechanically perfunctory and not very confident compared to the level of stalking and terrorising.. )

I think he was very used to people underestimating his intelligence and level of aggression - and knew how to use that to his advantage. Call that another 'gut feeling' for now. But every mask has to slip sooner or later. Somebody surely saw this guy lose it, in his regular life - exposing the monster underneath.

I find it hard to think about this guy never being id'd.. Can't imagine how it stressed the investigating cops and his victims out.Good thoughts!
And it is good question as to whether some of these 'quirks' the stuttering and so forth were Red Herrings.
Reminds me of something the 'Onion Field' Killer Gregory Powell supposedly said about a fake mole he would put before commitiing an armed robbery:
(Paraphasing) "In the heat of the moment people will remember little things like the mole...and after the stick up it's gone!"
And your right though these crimes appear to be sexually motivated for sure after all the build up the actual sexual act seemed kind of perfunctory it seems like he may ahve had a dificult time performing though he definitly seemed to have a fantasy ritual in place he was trying to recreate in real life.
Seems like the real payoff for the creep was beating his victims over the head with a blunt object.

ArianeEmory
06-07-2013, 01:05 PM
'Night Stalker' killer Ramirez dies in Calif. prison

http://www.wtvq.com/news/national/story/Night-Stalker-killer-Ramirez-dies-in-Calif-pris/cDTG_JldLUKqxv1rG272jg.cspx

Ausgirl
06-07-2013, 11:17 PM
Not the same perp. He ought to have his own thread somewhere...

But.. YAY. One less killer in the world.

txsvicki
06-07-2013, 11:31 PM
I was going to listen to the recordings but never found them, but stopped reading at the description of him getting into homes before the attacks and unloading guns or hiding cords under pillows. I don't remember hearing about that before now. How scary.

Ausgirl
06-07-2013, 11:43 PM
It really is terrifying, Vicki.... creepiest thing I've heard.

I can't listen to the tapes at night. Don't. You won't sleep, lol.

This man just got off on creating as much terror as he possibly can, all the call-backs, the pre-breakins, the "script" he used to maximise the victim's fear he'd kill or maim them..

I need some opinions from you sleuthers, please, on the possibility of EAR/ONS being quite a young man when this all started. Like, 16 or 17 in 1978. Makes him a bit young for the '76 crimes, but rapists of that age are well and truly not unheard of...

Sorry if it's been posted already, but here's a handy timeline of crimes/locations:

http://www.ear-ons.com/crimes.html

Another point I'm pondering.... In the Florida profile linked here (https://www.facebook.com/notes/help-stop-the-east-area-rapist-original-night-stalker-ear-ons/florida-law-enforcements-criminal-profile-of-the-east-area-rapist-original-night/123790950984698) , it's said EAR/ONS tried to fool the cops into believing he was a burglar, by ransacking the house, in order to lead police to believe the crimes were not connected, etc..

Thinking about this a different, though - EAR/ONS was -smart- but psychotic. He had a "script" he needed to follow, and my sense is that (maybe moreso early on..) if that script was disrupted, he'd have trouble going through with the crime.

I think the whole "I just want food & money" that he used through so many crimes was a way to keep the victims hopeful and quiet. BUT the actual ransacking he did between raping the victims multiple times, the petty articles he took while leaving valuable ones and money behind.. the remorseful/fearful self talk he was heard to speak..

I am tempted to think maybe EAR/ONS was trying to convince himself that he was just a burglar, at times, and really was experiencing fear and remorse at his compulsion to rape... BUT. This is what does my head in....

A rapist who pretends that burglary is important to him and then cries for Mommy/expresses a fear of Mommy/blames Mommy during the crimes, acts remorseful, listens to victim requests, etc is at -serious- odds with a man who stalks a house, breaks in and leaves bindings handy for the 'real' crime (of rape/murder), manipulates cops and victim perception, researches his crimes and comes fully prepared, etc.. He's incredibly methodical.

But somehow, I -do- think the burglary line was an important part of his "script", rather than just a weak attempt to fool the cops. He was smart, and he knew the cops hunting him were smart. He -wanted- them to know it was the same guy, and he was smart enough to mix things up in his MO more then he did. But he didn't.

It's like there's two perps. One pathetic and self-doubting, and one who is very far from it. But there wasn't two, there was just this one guy exhibiting this conflicting behaviour. It just does my head in. More to think about..

txsvicki
06-08-2013, 01:09 AM
I finally located all 3 calls. All 3 do sound like the same person, and also wondering as well if he was pretty young. Every description and even the calls seem like an immature yet very dangerous person. A young caucasian with mother issues, small penis, small feet, large calves, prominent nose. It seems like any women he might have been with, if there have been any, would recognize him. Edited: It's frustrating to google the new info. I read that the map he left and handwriting sample were up on a site. Going to that and can't find it or the 3 phone calls. All this info should be prominently displayed on those media sites so that a google search would lead straight to it. Even the info on him having a white german shepard missing a toe was deep in a story someone wrote.

Ausgirl
06-08-2013, 02:29 AM
Vicki, I have to wonder if EAR/ONS was actually younger than he was described.. if so, I have a couple perps in mind that are worth investigating..

I found this link today, and it made me really sad - just one example of how it's not just the victims themselves who end up victimised by perps like EAR/ONS:

David Witthuhn speaks about what he went through. (https://www.facebook.com/notes/help-stop-the-east-area-rapist-original-night-stalker-ear-ons/husband-of-1981-victim-feels-vindicated-but-not-lucky-crime-david-witthuhn-is-no/578659432164512)

Poor man.

And yes, the info is all scattered about.. It'd be awesome to have a well-organised, comprehensive and up-to- date site that wasn't all about proving a pet theory. Just the facts, Ma'am, type of thing..

Here's a site with some good maps and interesting theories: https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/home

Robin Hood
06-08-2013, 06:21 AM
Not the same perp. He ought to have his own thread somewhere...

But.. YAY. One less killer in the world.:clap:

txsvicki
06-08-2013, 10:29 PM
I haven't gotten to any parts yet about how he listened to victim requests. His sobbing and calling out mommy, that the media was scaring her, made me wonder if she was *****ing at him about going out alone and he was being snarky, or if maybe he started out as a gentleman rapist. There might be early date rapes or rapes that were never reported. The 70's could still get a girl totally humiliated and even blamed about rape.

Ausgirl
06-08-2013, 11:26 PM
Thats a good point, Vicki. I honestly think EAR/ONS has a long history of sex crimes before the recorded rapes started - peeping at the very least... and I think he did make mistakes in those crimes, the ones we know about seem very 'practised'. Perhaps the records are sealed on his earlier crimes though... I do think he began peeping/molesting/raping at a very early age. Just a gut feeling right now. Maybe one day we'll know.

The gloves made me sit up - I saw them described as motocross gloves. Combine that with the mouthless ski mask... and the use of bicycles as a quick escape from the crime scene... the notably muscled legs.

Maybe he was involved with competitive bike riding. Specifically, the kind you need a ski mask for, to keep the dust out. BMX?

Bikes were comfort thing for him, in any case, I think... Another thing that strikes me is - he doesn't seem too scared to have his cars seen while cruising the area pre-crime. But he quite often uses bikes as part of the crime. Was that more about the excitement? Were his first sex crimes committed with a bike as his sole getaway, so it's like, reliving that excitement moreso than purely for practical purposes? The bike gear/rider's legs suggests it's not unfeasible..

Pure speculation, thinking out loud..

txsvicki
06-09-2013, 01:34 AM
Do you think he was "the ransacker"? I believe it was him there, too. The eating food at the homes could have been for energy to bike a distance instead of ritual. On the other hand, maybe it could have been a smoke screen to make people think that.

Robin Hood
06-09-2013, 11:06 AM
Do you think he was "the ransacker"? I believe it was him there, too. The eating food at the homes could have been for energy to bike a distance instead of ritual. On the other hand, maybe it could have been a smoke screen to make people think that.

I think he was the ransaker and I think he ate because he had been cycling BEFORE he attacked and was hungry.

relay
06-09-2013, 11:50 AM
I finally located all 3 calls. All 3 do sound like the same person, and also wondering as well if he was pretty young. Every description and even the calls seem like an immature yet very dangerous person. A young caucasian with mother issues, small penis, small feet, large calves, prominent nose. It seems like any women he might have been with, if there have been any, would recognize him. Edited: It's frustrating to google the new info. I read that the map he left and handwriting sample were up on a site. Going to that and can't find it or the 3 phone calls. All this info should be prominently displayed on those media sites so that a google search would lead straight to it. Even the info on him having a white german shepard missing a toe was deep in a story someone wrote.

Txvicki, I can't find the three phone calls. I want to hear them. Can you post link to them? Thank you:).

Robin Hood
06-09-2013, 02:14 PM
They are here relay

http://www.lamag.com/offtherecord/tag/golden-state-killer

Ausgirl
06-09-2013, 10:58 PM
I think maybe too the food-eating could have been part of his psychopathy...

Once the victims were helpless and at his mercy, he could 'relax' and strut about, grab a bite to eat, take what he -wanted- (not stuff he needed, I truly think he had no need to steal) and return to the victims repeatedly, as his whims suited him. The eating was a way, perhaps, of making himself 'at home', ie, establishing in himself a feeling of superiority and ownership of the house for that short time he had it entirely in his control.

Perhaps at his actual home, he felt he had little or no power, no sense of the place being "his" too... I somehow doubt he had a wife, though I'm not sure about that. Right now, I think he lived in a very rigid environment, perhaps military... perhaps rigid, emotionally distant parents who made sure he knew whose house it was... In the victim's home, he could gratify every urge and no-one could stop him.

Thinking of his victims - he chose people who were living comfortably, who were not in vulnerable positions. I think these were the people he comfortable with, because they were similar to his own family. He was not poor, and he was not trying to eradicate anyone. He wanted control over them, total control, in the end descending to control over life and death.

Again, just thinking out loud.

Ausgirl
06-09-2013, 11:07 PM
One thing that I have trouble getting a bead on is - the vehicles. If anyone's got some thoughts on the variety of vehicles he's thought to have used.. how he got access to such a wide variety of cars..

Did his family own a car yard, maybe? Were they all owned by individual members of his family? Did he borrow them, steal them...?

If they were stolen, though, you'd think he wouldn't care if the car was seen close to the crime scene. And if he didn't want the cars id'd, why would he use them when scoping out a neighborhood prior to a crime? Unless he just assumed that no-one would associate the strange cars with the attacks, because they were parked a few blocks away.. or maybe parking a distance away and using a bike was part of what turned him on...

The most convenient and safe thing for him to do would be to have a getaway vehicle parked really close by. The fact he chose to enhance his risks by parking a distance away might be telling in itself.

txsvicki
06-10-2013, 12:10 AM
One has to wonder if he's not on some list or old database just like Gary Ridgeway and the btk were. I also wondered, like Ausgirl, if he came from middle class or above, and never lived up to expectations. The man who stood and complained at the meeting and ended up getting attacked is horrifying, and made me wonder if his mother or maybe even a neighbor attended that meeting.

Ausgirl
06-10-2013, 12:55 AM
Bingo, Vicki. EAR/ONS was likely at that meeting, and did not stand out because he fit right in... a local, a man who did not look at all out of place in a nice, affluent suburb. The terrifying aspect of that particular crime and the panic is engendered in the people of the area (and the effect it had on local cops..) would have made the perp extremely happy, I think.

Robin, I really need to look at the ransacker.. any good sites? Also looking for more reading material on ear/ons. The AETV is awesome, they've covered all these questions ad infinitum it seems. Still, I think asking them/looking at them with fresh eyes cannot hurt.

killer Chaser
06-10-2013, 01:59 AM
He matches a couple of sketches this one wasn't that long after he disappeard with his duffle bag. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/377dfbc.html and the other one is the "Irvine Sketch". http://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/home http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/846dmid.html http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3279#.UbVt_bXn85s www.ear-ons.com

txsvicki
06-10-2013, 02:56 AM
Wow, one pic of him looks like the other sketches. The prominent nose and narrow lower facial area. He's taller than 5'10 - 6 feet though.

killer Chaser
06-10-2013, 03:27 AM
The Charley Project says he's 5'11 160 pounds http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pearsall_steven.html http://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2071/261/

Robin Hood
06-10-2013, 05:07 AM
Aus, have a look here

https://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/home

IIRC the town hall meeting where the man stood up was impromptu. It wasn't a meeting about EAR/ONS but I'm told about crime in general, somebody brought EAR up as one of the Q/A's.

I personally think EAR was a cyclist on the CB resident patrols.

txsvicki
06-10-2013, 08:05 PM
Do police really believe he wrote the General Custer summary and Mad is the Word note? I finally found them, but can't compare side by side. The f's do look alike, but he could have stolen a spiral notebook from someone. Whoever it is isn't a perfect speller. I noticed he said he'd be ashamed "for" his sixth grade forever. That sounds Hispanic wording over to English. The BTK also worded one of his writings like that, and he was taking college classes, and probably Spanish.

killer Chaser
06-11-2013, 07:09 AM
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/2804

killer Chaser
06-13-2013, 04:32 AM
He matches a couple of sketches this one wasn't that long after he disappeard with his duffle bag. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/377dfbc.html and the other one is the "Irvine Sketch". http://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/home http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/846dmid.html http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3279#.UbVt_bXn85s www.ear-ons.com

ID ID - Lewiston Civic Theater Murders / 5 Related Cases - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

txsvicki
06-13-2013, 06:33 AM
Reading everything in the middle of the night while having to sleep in daytime for a few weeks is creeping me out. Last night a neighbor dog kept barking and the night before my dog was acting weird and would not let me walk towards the back door. Now I'm imagining a peeper after having had a real one at intervals some years back, thus the mean dog now.

ceecee30
06-13-2013, 06:57 AM
Reading everything in the middle of the night while having to sleep in daytime for a few weeks is creeping me out. Last night a neighbor dog kept barking and the night before my dog was acting weird and would not let me walk towards the back door. Now I'm imagining a peeper after having had a real one at intervals some years back, thus the mean dog now.

Ooh I hear you!! I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback and to us he's a gentle giant but to the little punks that tried getting in my backyard... Not so :) we got him because our new house backs onto a busy walkway... Best money spent ever!!

Robin Hood
06-13-2013, 07:45 AM
Ooh I hear you!! I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback and to us he's a gentle giant but to the little punks that tried getting in my backyard... Not so :) we got him because our new house backs onto a busy walkway... Best money spent ever!!

Same thing here, 10 stone dog, we all sleep easier.

txsvicki
06-14-2013, 12:58 AM
Just from reading everything starting with the ransackings, it makes me think the guy was either a student of or worked at a university or college. Most ransackings were fri-sun. Classes might have been mon - thurs. Then later, not knowing the day of the week, he appeared to attack around early in the first week and after the middle of each month, almost as if on a getting paid every two weeks or getting a check on the 1st. Some dates were on the 28th or 30th and he or his mother could have gotten a social security or disability check a few days earlier due, maybe, to a weekend.

kline
06-24-2013, 05:40 AM
He matches a couple of sketches this one wasn't that long after he disappeard with his duffle bag. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/377dfbc.html and the other one is the "Irvine Sketch". http://sites.google.com/site/jjmcgr/home http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/846dmid.html http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3279#.UbVt_bXn85s www.ear-ons.com (http://www.ear-ons.com)I can just about guarantee you Stephen Pearsal has been dead since September 1982 when he was murdered by the Lewiston Civic Theater Killer.

Ausgirl
06-24-2013, 09:06 PM
Something that's stuck with me for a while now, in reviewing known communications/talk from EAR/ONS -- he tends to be very repetitive in his speech (and possibly writing?). Like, he uses the same phrases and words over and over.

I'm not sure what that could mean, aside from maybe he had a "script" running in his head before each crime and was following it. But he repeats things so often, it seems to me like a habit he might have had in his life outside the crimes.

There seems to be a lot of "habitual" behaviour with this guy. I think I need to put more thought to this, review the material. But there's something in it worth looking at, maybe.

Ausgirl
06-24-2013, 09:28 PM
Just from reading everything starting with the ransackings, it makes me think the guy was either a student of or worked at a university or college. Most ransackings were fri-sun. Classes might have been mon - thurs. Then later, not knowing the day of the week, he appeared to attack around early in the first week and after the middle of each month, almost as if on a getting paid every two weeks or getting a check on the 1st. Some dates were on the 28th or 30th and he or his mother could have gotten a social security or disability check a few days earlier due, maybe, to a weekend.

That's a really good observation, Vicki. It could be marking the transition from school to working/welfare..

VR seemed to avoid Tuesdays & Thursdays .. the only Thursday attack I can find is the Snelling murder. Like he went off-track for the attempted abduction, maybe organised himself around that particular night for some reason. Or maybe he just happened to have access to a vehicle that night.. How'd he have kidnapped somebody without one?

truthandsoul
08-26-2013, 05:53 PM
We've started a new, moderated board to discuss the EAR/ONS ("Golden State Killer") at:

http://earonsgsk.proboards.com/

Please join us for the ongoing discussions.

colette
09-07-2013, 11:26 PM
There has been a new clue. There had been paint at 2 rapes and one murder scene connected to EAR/ONS. They are asking for people to come forward who might know of men who painted on a Mall project that was going on near two of the murders.

http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=120662

http://www.ksby.com/news/santa-barbara-county-sheriff-s-office-gets-new-lead-on-1981-homicide-case/#_

kline
09-08-2013, 04:21 AM
There has been a new clue. There had been paint at 2 rapes and one murder scene connected to EAR/ONS. They are asking for people to come forward who might know of men who painted on a Mall project that was going on near two of the murders.

http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=120662

http://www.ksby.com/news/santa-barbara-county-sheriff-s-office-gets-new-lead-on-1981-homicide-case/#_ This could be huge if they can connect one of their numerous suspects to either of those construction jobs.

STANDREID
09-08-2013, 09:11 AM
This could be huge if they can connect one of their numerous suspects to either of those construction jobs.

It could be but paint evidence didn't lead to the solution of the Jack the Stripper Case although it did enable police to find the building where the bodies were initially stored.

Ausgirl
10-07-2013, 02:19 AM
I just gotta put this down here before I forget.

"How does a guy move around a middle class neighbourhood at night without somebody hearing or seeing him?"

"On a bike."

^ lines from some show I was watching and I got a 'ding-ding-ding' - Okay, so rapid fire thoughts for later investigation:

- In Visalia, he was a kid. He had a bike. Limited car access? Probably just a bike, hence all the hits in one street on one night. He stashes the bike in some bushes and bam-bam-bam, house after house, with the bike near enough to run to if he's spotted. May have lived in Visalia but he could have ridden there from another place nearby. I'm thinking he wasn't wholly local, as he'd get recognised riding around those streets. But there again, maybe he 'fit in' too much to be a suspect. Somebody would known about his peeping, though, is my bet. Maybe has a juvie record for it. Maybe people didn't make too much of it. But I know in my gut he was a serial peeper long before he ever set foot in anyone's house for criminal purposes.

- As EAR, he had a car. Probably moved out of home by then. But he's learned the bike is the quickest, quietest way around the streets. People eyeball a strange car - but they likely won't look twice a cyclist.

- As ONS, he's refined his techniques fully. This was him degenerating as a criminal. Thrill-dead, he escalated his crimes as his psyche devolved.

So what kind of vehicle fits a bike in it? Van, station wagon, hatchback are my first thoughts. Maybe a sedan trunk, if it's a smaller framed bike.

/endbabble

Ambercat
10-07-2013, 05:35 PM
I just gotta put this down here before I forget.

"How does a guy move around a middle class neighbourhood at night without somebody hearing or seeing him?"

"On a bike."

^ lines from some show I was watching and I got a 'ding-ding-ding' - Okay, so rapid fire thoughts for later investigation:

- In Visalia, he was a kid. He had a bike. Limited car access? Probably just a bike, hence all the hits in one street on one night. He stashes the bike in some bushes and bam-bam-bam, house after house, with the bike near enough to run to if he's spotted. May have lived in Visalia but he could have ridden there from another place nearby. I'm thinking he wasn't wholly local, as he'd get recognised riding around those streets. But there again, maybe he 'fit in' too much to be a suspect. Somebody would known about his peeping, though, is my bet. Maybe has a juvie record for it. Maybe people didn't make too much of it. But I know in my gut he was a serial peeper long before he ever set foot in anyone's house for criminal purposes.

- As EAR, he had a car. Probably moved out of home by then. But he's learned the bike is the quickest, quietest way around the streets. People eyeball a strange car - but they likely won't look twice a cyclist.

- As ONS, he's refined his techniques fully. This was him degenerating as a criminal. Thrill-dead, he escalated his crimes as his psyche devolved.

So what kind of vehicle fits a bike in it? Van, station wagon, hatchback are my first thoughts. Maybe a sedan trunk, if it's a smaller framed bike.

/endbabble

Its interesting that you say that because I always used to see Mark Wayne Rathbun (the Belmont Shore Rapist, why do so many criminals seem to have the middle name "Wayne"?) riding a bicycle for years before he was arrested in 2002 and never really thought about him one way or other (just tried to avoid hitting him with the car).

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/aug/11/local/me-belmont11
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-528971.html

While their MOs and victim types were very different, probably a lot of people saw EAR-ONS on his bike and never gave it a second thought. Does anyone have any more information about the cyclist that ran into the Smiths' car in the weeks before their murders?

Robin Hood
10-08-2013, 06:20 AM
''While their MOs and victim types were very different, probably a lot of people saw EAR-ONS on his bike and never gave it a second thought. Does anyone have any more information about the cyclist that ran into the Smiths' car in the weeks before their murders?''

I vaguely remember that happening but don't know any more than that. That said, it would be a good way to get an address from the car driver.

HankB
10-28-2013, 09:00 AM
I picked up the map last Wednesday at lunch. Had the locations by the end. Then spent 2 hours looking to see if it had been identified or not. Emailed the L.A. Mag, Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department and Contra Costa. They were all interested in seeing what I had come up with, one even stated what I thought I had come up with. Then once I sent them all copies, they never replied, acknowledged or thanked me for the effort. If you factor in the landscape and buildings as they looked 30 years ago I think it is a match. If they had bothered to reply, I would have identified the lower right corner, and even given them a perfect fitting suspect. There is a Florida Homicide Profile of the Original Night Stalker available on the wiki. I have a Marathon runner, sized 9 sneaker, they may want to take a look at:

SophieRose
12-03-2013, 04:21 PM
A little more on the newest clue from the Sacramento Bee:
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/09/21/5756377/investigators-explore-new-leads.html#mi_rss=Our%20Region

Kitzmann said he has contacted the developer, who he declined to name but said is still in business in the Sacramento area. “I’d like to find out who the subcontractors were and come up with a list of their employees,” he said.
Irvine police Lt. John Condon said some paint was found on a tool left at the scene of one of the Original Night Stalker homicides his department investigated. “We’re not sure how it arrived at the scene or the circumstances,” he said. “Over the years, there have been a lot of different theories.”
Traces of blue paint were found in three back-to-back East Area Rapist cases in Sacramento County in 1977. Clark described them as microscopic chips of blue architectural paint that likely came from someone who had been using a paint sprayer. In the late ’70s, he said, paint sprayers typically were used only by professional painters, leading investigators to focus on someone engaged in the building trades.

SophieRose
12-03-2013, 04:34 PM
I just gotta put this down here before I forget.

"How does a guy move around a middle class neighbourhood at night without somebody hearing or seeing him?"

"On a bike."

^ lines from some show I was watching and I got a 'ding-ding-ding' - Okay, so rapid fire thoughts for later investigation:

- In Visalia, he was a kid. He had a bike. Limited car access? Probably just a bike, hence all the hits in one street on one night. He stashes the bike in some bushes and bam-bam-bam, house after house, with the bike near enough to run to if he's spotted. May have lived in Visalia but he could have ridden there from another place nearby. I'm thinking he wasn't wholly local, as he'd get recognised riding around those streets. But there again, maybe he 'fit in' too much to be a suspect. Somebody would known about his peeping, though, is my bet. Maybe has a juvie record for it. Maybe people didn't make too much of it. But I know in my gut he was a serial peeper long before he ever set foot in anyone's house for criminal purposes.

- As EAR, he had a car. Probably moved out of home by then. But he's learned the bike is the quickest, quietest way around the streets. People eyeball a strange car - but they likely won't look twice a cyclist.

- As ONS, he's refined his techniques fully. This was him degenerating as a criminal. Thrill-dead, he escalated his crimes as his psyche devolved.

So what kind of vehicle fits a bike in it? Van, station wagon, hatchback are my first thoughts. Maybe a sedan trunk, if it's a smaller framed bike.

/endbabble

If he was a painter he could have had a truck. I was also thinking that he could have also worked for himself and could have been in Contra Costa County and San Jose neighborhoods making bids at houses for work.

I had a compact car and used to fold down the back seat and put my bicycle through the trunk and had no trouble fitting it in. Also would take the front wheel off and get it in the back seat but it took time to fit it in.

SophieRose
12-03-2013, 08:26 PM
From the Orange County Register about the new clue:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/pool-525184-killer-stalker.html

Larry Pool, a retired Orange County detective who began working on the case in 1997, said investigators have chemically analyzed paint in the past as one of the many details in the case. Now an investigator for Broadcom, Pool continues to follow leads and work with authorities in his spare time.

“It’s one of those cases you want to see solved before you breathe your last,” he said.

A screwdriver with five types of paint on it was found near the 1981 Irvine crime scene, he said.

“It may be very relevant,” he said. “It may not be.”

At the time, Pool said, investigators questioned whether the paint-stained screwdriver could mean the killer worked in construction. The screwdriver could also have been stolen and simply used as a burglary tool, he said.

Article also mentions that the hand-drawn map may be of the Goleta strip mall where a Sacramento developer had a building permit, although it is not an exact match.

STANDREID
12-13-2013, 08:57 PM
It could be but paint evidence didn't lead to the solution of the Jack the Stripper Case although it did enable police to find the building where the bodies were initially stored.

Gary Ridgway was a serial killer and a painter who was loose at the time but I assume his DNA has been checked.

Leprikawn
12-26-2013, 08:38 PM
I Dont know if they did check his DNA, seems a good idea though

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Ausgirl
12-27-2013, 10:41 PM
It's Ausbabble time again, LOL. This guy is so in my head.. it helps get him out, so forgive me if I rehash anything already said.

Just returning to EAR/ONS's "script" - the words and behaviours he repeats, crime after crime, with a little variation but essentially the same things...

I honestly believe there's victims out there - probably early ones - who either know exactly who this man is but haven't connected him to the EAR/ONS crimes, or who got a real good look at him.

I believe (today, heh) that this "script" is all about re-living an early rape, perhaps his first -- in which he felt an incredible adrenaline rush that he attempts, time after time, to re-create as much as possible. So, in committing later crimes, he is also re-living the one that had the MOST impact on him. I think there's a "ground zero" rape, in which the most often repeated elements of the "script" first occurred.

I feel inclined to gather all known victim statements regarding this behaviour, in order to collect all the various elements of the script in one place.

People out there KNOW this guy. He probably wears a very 'harmless' mask, but I have no doubt at all that there WILL be people who have seen it slip, and glimpsed the monster underneath. He'll be one of those guys whose odd behaviours are glossed over, because he's generally regarded as 'harmless'... though some of those behaviours are true red flags.

I think he underplays his intelligence, so people underestimate him. This would make him feel powerful and superior.

He'll be that guy who's eventually caught, and about whom people who know him will have sudden clarity in hindsight.

.... there, mind purged. For the moment. ;)