Dear Raven,

[SouthEastSleuth]

Dear Raven,

Today is June 29. Janet was murdered just over two months ago.

Your wife is gone. Kaiden has no mother.

What are your days like now I wonder –

Do you cry for Janet? Do you miss her? Do you think of the years you two were together? Are there memories that make you smile, make you cry, make you sad? Do you often look at her pictures? At videos? Do you think of the plans the two of you had? The dreams for the future? Do you remember your first kiss with Janet? Your last kiss? Do you remember the last time you told Janet, "I love you"?

How is life as a single parent? Is Kaiden now old enough to be aware that his Mom is not around anymore? What do you tell him? Does he know he has two large extended families, yours in Utah and Janet’s in Virginia?

Do you worry about who murdered Janet - Who is this person? Why did they do what they did? Why has no one been arrested? Will they someday strike again? The police said from the beginning that Janet’s murder was not random, which many speculate to mean that it was someone who knew her, or you, or something in the vein. Does this give you sleepless nights?

Do you talk frequently to the Durham Police Department – asking what they’ve found out? Do they have any leads? Is there anything you can do to help?

Do you ever think of appealing to the media? Asking for their help in pursuing justice for Janet?

What do you think when you read these boards, or hear about them from others?

Do you worry about the embezzlement charges? Not just what will happen to you, but why you did the things you did? It seems from all accounts that Eurosport must have been an ideal place for you and Janet – you seem to enjoy sales. You both shared a love of soccer. It sounds like many at Eurosport think of it as one big family. Yet, for some reason(s), you allowed yourself to become a criminal there. You stole from people who had embraced you. You abused your position and you abused their trust. Do you feel remorse? Regret? Or, is this just an unfortunate chapter in your life, that you want to put behind you?

Do you worry about your future? A new job must surely be on your mind, for practical reasons if nothing else. Surely you don’t intend to live with your family forever? But, a new job, starting over, etc., do you worry that your history at Eurosport will haunt you? Are there bill collectors looking for you? With Janet’s death still fresh, thinking of money issues must be hard, but realistic thoughts as well, I would imagine…

How is your spiritual life I wonder? Do you feel at peace with yourself and your church? Have you found solace in the church? Based on information posted here about the Mormon church, your’s and Janet’s faith in the church, etc., I’ve taken it upon myself to further educate myself, at least a little, on Mormon beliefs, etc. I came across a proclamation by President Gordon Hinckley of the Mormon church, having to do with Family.

I’m not sure if you are familiar with the document, but the following is an excerpt:

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

Note: This proclamation was read by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.



http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mediabook/0,15571,3881-1---1-11,00.html

Powerful writing, for sure. Do these words give you comfort? Guidance? Peace?

I’m struck by the emphasis on family. On the partnership between a husband and wife. Do you feel lost without your partner I wonder?

It’s you and Kaiden now. Extended families, sure. But you and Kaiden. And, Janet’s memory. Your wife. Kaiden’s mom.

Janet’s memory is alive and well here, for sure. I hope it lives in Utah, and in your heart…

Justice for Janet – someday, some way, some how.

Sincerely,

Someone who cares

[JustJax]

:clap: Excellent letter to the Raven...wonder if his family is asking any of these questions of him? I know if he were my brother I would be giving him the very same questionaire.
How about it Bird....do ya feel like crowing??

[icare]

Wow.....what else can be said?

[terminatrixator]

Great questions, after reading up on this case and at their sites, besides that very weird Janet Poem by his brother, the family and Raven don't seem to act like she was ever in their life.

Even before Janet was murdered, the day before she was murdered it was like she never existed to Raven.

This case is so sad, and I hope there is Justice soon for Janet, Kaiden and her family.

[JerseyGirl]

Welcome, terminatrixator. Thanks so much for joining the forum! :)

[JustJax]

Great questions, after reading up on this case and at their sites, besides that very weird Janet Poem by his brother, the family and Raven don't seem to act like she was ever in their life.

Even before Janet was murdered, the day before she was murdered it was like she never existed to Raven.

This case is so sad, and I hope there is Justice soon for Janet, Kaiden and her family.Hey darlin...nice to see ya! Hope all is well.
Yeah I find it puzzling that the wierd sister has not acknowledged or mentioned the horrific loss of her sister in law and then the freakazoid poem from Derek...well all I can say is the more I read about this case...the more I am convinced that the Bird has some talking to do....

[mad hatter]

Dear Raven,

Today is June 29. Janet was murdered just over two months ago.

Your wife is gone. Kaiden has no mother.

What are your days like now I wonder –

Do you cry for Janet? Do you miss her? Do you think of the years you two were together? Are there memories that make you smile, make you cry, make you sad? Do you often look at her pictures? At videos? Do you think of the plans the two of you had? The dreams for the future? Do you remember your first kiss with Janet? Your last kiss? Do you remember the last time you told Janet, "I love you"?

How is life as a single parent? Is Kaiden now old enough to be aware that his Mom is not around anymore? What do you tell him? Does he know he has two large extended families, yours in Utah and Janet’s in Virginia?

Do you worry about who murdered Janet - Who is this person? Why did they do what they did? Why has no one been arrested? Will they someday strike again? The police said from the beginning that Janet’s murder was not random, which many speculate to mean that it was someone who knew her, or you, or something in the vein. Does this give you sleepless nights?

Do you talk frequently to the Durham Police Department – asking what they’ve found out? Do they have any leads? Is there anything you can do to help?

Do you ever think of appealing to the media? Asking for their help in pursuing justice for Janet?

What do you think when you read these boards, or hear about them from others?

Do you worry about the embezzlement charges? Not just what will happen to you, but why you did the things you did? It seems from all accounts that Eurosport must have been an ideal place for you and Janet – you seem to enjoy sales. You both shared a love of soccer. It sounds like many at Eurosport think of it as one big family. Yet, for some reason(s), you allowed yourself to become a criminal there. You stole from people who had embraced you. You abused your position and you abused their trust. Do you feel remorse? Regret? Or, is this just an unfortunate chapter in your life, that you want to put behind you?

Do you worry about your future? A new job must surely be on your mind, for practical reasons if nothing else. Surely you don’t intend to live with your family forever? But, a new job, starting over, etc., do you worry that your history at Eurosport will haunt you? Are there bill collectors looking for you? With Janet’s death still fresh, thinking of money issues must be hard, but realistic thoughts as well, I would imagine…

How is your spiritual life I wonder? Do you feel at peace with yourself and your church? Have you found solace in the church? Based on information posted here about the Mormon church, your’s and Janet’s faith in the church, etc., I’ve taken it upon myself to further educate myself, at least a little, on Mormon beliefs, etc. I came across a proclamation by President Gordon Hinckley of the Mormon church, having to do with Family.

I’m not sure if you are familiar with the document, but the following is an excerpt:

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

Note: This proclamation was read by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.



http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mediabook/0,15571,3881-1---1-11,00.html

Powerful writing, for sure. Do these words give you comfort? Guidance? Peace?

I’m struck by the emphasis on family. On the partnership between a husband and wife. Do you feel lost without your partner I wonder?

It’s you and Kaiden now. Extended families, sure. But you and Kaiden. And, Janet’s memory. Your wife. Kaiden’s mom.

Janet’s memory is alive and well here, for sure. I hope it lives in Utah, and in your heart…

Justice for Janet – someday, some way, some how.

Sincerely,

Someone who cares
Nice letter! Hope he reads it.....

[ewwwinteresting]

I came across a proclamation by President Gordon Hinckley of the Mormon church, having to do with Family.

I’m not sure if you are familiar with the document, but the following is an excerpt:

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

Note: This proclamation was read by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.



http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mediabook/0,15571,3881-1---1-11,00.html


Good post SES and good find. I am wondering how could these words bring him comfort? They are written by the President of his church and he hardly lived his life following it. Multiple affairs, irresponsibility with finances, embezzling, unable to provide for his family....I want to know what did he do to follow the church and its beliefs? Did he fake it and then when the adulterer, lying, stealing Raven became known to everyone, could he handle it? Mark Hacking wasn't able to.

[lauriej]

SES...

...your letter echoes my sentiments to a tee...although your writing style is more eloquent than mine...well done...

...i cannot see raven, or his family,friends for that matter, NOT wanting this murder story OUT THERE.....sure, LE may have told them to be patient....we're working it...blah blah blah............but if he's INNOCENT........i'd be all over the media, the internet, wherever i could, to get the story out, and keep it in the spotlight..

...surely he's in touch with the lead detective on this daily.......EVEN while away in utah........

...if raven, his friends, family, 'google' janets name,looking for new information, of course they come up with more than a few hits from WS..............i just don't see anyone coming here to his defense...
...if i had a friend/relative that i KNEW to be innocent of anything...........let alone murder! being slammed on a message board, i KNOW i'd be there for them.....in fact especially on a board where there's anonimity...

...rooster, who was obviously a friend of raven's, ( or so he seemed to me)did come to his rescue briefly, but i've yet to see another as diehard as he was....have raven's own friends turned their backs on him ?

...i do realize that WS is a small pixel in the grand scheme of things,www-wise, but none the less, friends, family, and future employers will hit on this forum , it has to say something that no-one drops by with anything positive on raven..

...i'm not suggesting that anyone come by for a heated debate on raven's moral character............i'm just surprised that we haven't seen a post or 2 by anyone sticking up for him lately......

...the main thing right now.................. kaiden............i hope he's receiving all of the love that he needs.........and i'm sure he is............ janet's watching over him..

[Jenifred]

I'd also like to know what Raven is going to tell Kaiden when he's older. When Kaiden asks, "Did you love my mother?" What's Raven going to say? When Kaiden asks "Were you happy together?" How's Raven going to word that answer?

[JustJax]

While I am hoping that this gets more media attention...I am looking at the other side of the coin....

I'm positive LE is working diligently on this case, without the national spotlight. My thinking is that without it, there is less pressure to hold updates, when they have none, or simply cannot comment for fear of compromising the case. Less pressure to make an arrest too soon before a solid case is put togeter in order to secure a conviction. Less distractions all together.
The DNA testing takes time, but in IMO they already have the perp in mind.
No rushing to judgement....no trial by media. No Geragos....praise God.

[Jenifred]

Good post SES and good find. I am wondering how could these words bring him comfort? They are written by the President of his church and he hardly lived his life following it. Multiple affairs, irresponsibility with finances, embezzling, unable to provide for his family....I want to know what did he do to follow the church and its beliefs? Did he fake it and then when the adulterer, lying, stealing Raven became known to everyone, could he handle it? Mark Hacking wasn't able to.
Maybe Raven flew off to Utah to escape everyone knowing all of his indiscressions. Heaven only knows how many of his fellow ward (word for our congregations) members have been on the internet and seen all of the foul that has been dug up on him here. Maybe he couldn't face it and took off to a place that it hasn't been in the news much (oh, wait that's NC too).

[JerseyGirl]

While I am hoping that this gets more media attention...I am looking at the other side of the coin....

I'm positive LE is working diligently on this case, without the national spotlight. My thinking is that without it, there is less pressure to hold updates, when they have none, or simply cannot comment for fear of compromising the case. Less pressure to make an arrest too soon before a solid case is put togeter in order to secure a conviction. Less distractions all together.
The DNA testing takes time, but in IMO they already have the perp in mind.
No rushing to judgement....no trial by media. No Geragos....praise God.Very good points; very good post.

[snapple]

While I am hoping that this gets more media attention...I am looking at the other side of the coin....

I'm positive LE is working diligently on this case, without the national spotlight. My thinking is that without it, there is less pressure to hold updates, when they have none, or simply cannot comment for fear of compromising the case. Less pressure to make an arrest too soon before a solid case is put togeter in order to secure a conviction. Less distractions all together.
The DNA testing takes time, but in IMO they already have the perp in mind.
No rushing to judgement....no trial by media. No Geragos....praise God.
I so hope that this is true. It seems that most people in this forum have alot of confidence in the NC LE, does anybody know from past cases if this confidence is warrented? I am praying that this is the case!

[snapple]

SES, I am awed by your ability to put just the right feelings into words, this letter definately brings the reason for these forums to a higher level. You are a Poet.:clap:

[snapple]

:laugh:How about it Bird....do ya feel like crowing??[/QUOTE]

[ewwwinteresting]

I so hope that this is true. It seems that most people in this forum have alot of confidence in the NC LE, does anybody know from past cases if this confidence is warrented? I am praying that this is the case!I'm alittle worried that LE may not have all the evidence or do I necessarily believe that they are just waiting for test results. From what I've read here, Raven was not that smart. I would think that after visiting the crime scene that night, there would be enough evidence to have arrested him that night. The fact that Janet was brutally murdered more than 2 months ago, and he is still walking free concerns me. Maybe Raven was smarter than what others originally thought??

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe Raven was smarter than what others originally thought??IMO, Raven is very smart. Maybe he got arrested for embezzlement, but how much has Raven gotten away with for which he's never been caught? Maybe smart isn't quite the word I'm looking for, (not that he isn't - he seems to be that too) ... but he seems very calculating ... looks at the obstacles, knows the odds, etc.

[LTUlegal]

Just adding my :twocents: :twocents: (inflation, you know)...SES, I think your post was put together very well!

If something like this happened to ANY family member, I'd be a wreck, calling the police on a daily (if not hourly) basis. In addition, if I had the capabilities, I'd have a website dedication and be scouring every avenue for leads. But that's just me, I guess.

I think if Raven decided NOW to build a website dedicated to Janet it would be viewed by me as a failed attempt at sorrow. Day late & a dollar short, so to speak. Again, that's just me.

[ewwwinteresting]

Just adding my :twocents: :twocents: (inflation, you know)...SES, I think your post was put together very well!

If something like this happened to ANY family member, I'd be a wreck, calling the police on a daily (if not hourly) basis. In addition, if I had the capabilities, I'd have a website dedication and be scouring every avenue for leads. But that's just me, I guess.

I think if Raven decided NOW to build a website dedicated to Janet it would be viewed by me as a failed attempt at sorrow. Day late & a dollar short, so to speak. Again, that's just me.
I absolutely agree with you legal. Any attempt by Raven to "pretend" he cares now and set up a memorial site for Janet is not going to be viewed as sincere. There is always the chance he may set up another trust fund account on the net so that people could donate through paypal :)

However, IF I was innocent, I would certainly be all over LE to clear my name. I would be shouting my innocense on every news channel and pleading for help to find this barbaric person that took my wife and mother of my child away from me.

[JerseyGirl]

However, IF I was innocent, I would certainly be all over LE to clear my name. I would be shouting my innocense on every news channel and pleading for help to find this barbaric person that took my wife and mother of my child away from me.I agree. Unless LE told me that they were on to someone, and told me that shouting out might blow the arrest or something like that. But otherwise, it'd be hard to get me to keep my mouth shut.

[ewwwinteresting]

Dear Raven,

Why don't you confess? If you didn't mean to kill your wife, say so. If this was an argument that went out of control, say so. If you no longer wanted to be married, say so. Why didn't you just walk away from you life and disappear, instead of taking someone else's life? Why would you put Janet's family through this horror of no closure? At this point, can you just be a man and accept the consequences of your actions? It appears you have not been able to do this thus far in your life. It appears you tried to accept your failures and bad choices you made in your life on April 25, 2005. Why not on April 26, 2005? You probably thought Janet was at a higher level than you in all ways (spiritually, financially, education, kindness, sincerity, maturity, parental skills, etc.). Traits you thought you could never aspire to or live up to. From all accounts, Janet was a high caliber person and her family raised her well. From what we know about you, you are the exact opposite end, and was not raised well. Do the right thing for once! Confess to the worst decision you have ever made and bring some closure to Janet's family. They deserve at least this. And then do the right thing and let Janet's family raise Kaiden. I would think that you would want Kaiden to be like Janet, not you. If Janet's family raises him, he will most likely turn out to be a well rounded, well adjusted decent man. Compare that to you and your family. Raven, do the right thing!

[Moxie]

Dear Raven,

Why don't you confess? If you didn't mean to kill your wife, say so. If this was an argument that went out of control, say so. If you no longer wanted to be married, say so. Why didn't you just walk away from you life and disappear, instead of taking someone else's life? Why would you put Janet's family through this horror of no closure? At this point, can you just be a man and accept the consequences of your actions? It appears you have not been able to do this thus far in your life. It appears you tried to accept your failures and bad choices you made in your life on April 25, 2005. Why not on April 26, 2005? You probably thought Janet was at a higher level than you in all ways (spiritually, financially, education, kindness, sincerity, maturity, parental skills, etc.). Traits you thought you could never aspire to or live up to. From all accounts, Janet was a high caliber person and her family raised her well. From what we know about you, you are the exact opposite end, and was not raised well. Do the right thing for once! Confess to the worst decision you have ever made and bring some closure to Janet's family. They deserve at least this. And then do the right thing and let Janet's family raise Kaiden. I would think that you would want Kaiden to be like Janet, not you. If Janet's family raises him, he will most likely turn out to be a well rounded, well adjusted decent man. Compare that to you and your family. Raven, do the right thing!
Wow!:clap: :clap:

[snapple]

Dear Raven,

Confess to the worst decision you have ever made and bring some closure to Janet's family. They deserve at least this. And then do the right thing and let Janet's family raise Kaiden. I would think that you would want Kaiden to be like Janet, not you. If Janet's family raises him, he will most likely turn out to be a well rounded, well adjusted decent man. Compare that to you and your family. Raven, do the right thing!Exactly! Very well put.

[golfmom]

I just wanted to move my letter to Raven over to this thread. It fits over here better.

What is going on here?

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Mr. Abarao, I know that you are reading this site. You may think what we are doing here is humorous. I do not. I find it appalling that a bunch of strangers and acquaintances of Janet are more concerned about justice for your wife than you are.

Forgiveness does not exclude justice. I've uncovered enough material to know that you have severe financial difficulties. These are by your own selfish actions. Regardless, there are foundations out there to help families in your situation with money for reward for information leading to an arrest. Have you called them? Have you been cooperating with police to find who did this to your wife? If my spouse was brutally murdered, I'd be camped out on the doorstep of the investigators.

One day you will be held accountable by Kaiden. He will look you in the eyes and ask, "Dad, what did you do?" Have you asked your own father that question? Were you satisfied with the answer? Don't think Kaiden will accept some goofy song and dance from you. Kids have a strong BS-meter when it comes to their parents.

Finally, if you want Kaiden to have a better life than you had, then you need to do something different.

[Moxie]

I just wanted to move my letter to Raven over to this thread. It fits over here better.

What is going on here?

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Mr. Abarao, I know that you are reading this site. You may think what we are doing here is humorous. I do not. I find it appalling that a bunch of strangers and acquaintances of Janet are more concerned about justice for your wife than you are.

Forgiveness does not exclude justice. I've uncovered enough material to know that you have severe financial difficulties. These are by your own selfish actions. Regardless, there are foundations out there to help families in your situation with money for reward for information leading to an arrest. Have you called them? Have you been cooperating with police to find who did this to your wife? If my spouse was brutally murdered, I'd be camped out on the doorstep of the investigators.

One day you will be held accountable by Kaiden. He will look you in the eyes and ask, "Dad, what did you do?" Have you asked your own father that question? Were you satisfied with the answer? Don't think Kaiden will accept some goofy song and dance from you. Kids have a strong BS-meter when it comes to their parents.

Finally, if you want Kaiden to have a better life than you had, then you need to do something different.
Thank you GM - your words are so true.

I wish, more than anything, that Raven was innocent of this crime. I hope everyday that he will come forward and say that he was not involved at all. I wish that more than anything for his and Janet's child, Kaiden, so that Kaiden will not grow up wondering if his father killed his mother. That is so horrible to imagine and I struggle with it everyday. I just wish that Raven would give a reason, publicly, to direct the attention elsewhere from him. It is just so sad. If he is innocent, I don't want his reputation permanently ruined, to the point where he moves through the rest of his life and people silently wonder "did he really do it". And if he is innocent, then, if he makes a statement publicly that he was not involved, then we can direct our attention elsewhere.

If he is innocent, why isn't he talking?

[golfmom]

If he is innocent, why isn't he talking?

Not only is he not talking, but he's been busy dismantling and erasing Janet online.

Where is his personal appeal to the media?

Where is a memorial website dedicated to his wife's memory?

Instead he's trying to resume his online life without being detected by websleuthers! Helllooooo ? ? ? ?

That, in itself, tells me exactly what kind of man Mr. P.Ness is. :furious:

[Moxie]

Yes, Raven I want to hear what you have to say. Tell us you are innocent. Speak out and tell us. Tell us YOU DID NOT DO THIS. Whay are you not speaking? Are you afraid? Are you guilty? Are you an uncaring jerk? Don't you care what Janet's friends and family feel? For the sake of all that is good in this world, stand up be a man and go before the media and say something.:banghead:

[golfmom]

Yes, Raven I want to hear what you have to say. Tell us you are innocent. Speak out and tell us. Tell us YOU DID NOT DO THIS. Whay are you not speaking? Are you afraid? Are you guilty? Are you an uncaring jerk? Don't you care what Janet's friends and family feel? For the sake of all that is good in this world, stand up be a man and go before the media and say something.:banghead:


If he was a man, he'd stand up and take responsibility for his actions instead of hiding behind his mama's skirt and leeching off people. :loser:

[Moxie]

If he was a man, he'd stand up and take responsibility for his actions instead of hiding behind his mama's skirt and leeching off people. :loser:Yeah or his two bit embezzlement lawyer.

[NCBanker]

Easy, easy! Let's not start attacking his attorney now!

Yeah or his two bit embezzlement lawyer.

[ewwwinteresting]

Easy, easy! Let's not start attacking his attorney now!
Alright, three bit! :)

[Moxie]

Easy, easy! Let's not start attacking his attorney now!
NCBanker,

Absolutely - my apologies. :silenced:

[cappuccina]

...first of all..Golfmom, is the memorial to Janet back up? If not, I would direct your questions about putting it back up to Jeana (DP); she's very knowledgeable about these kind of issues...

Second...the letters to Raven..awesome!

Third..NCBanker is right...don't attack the attorneys; they are just doing their jobs right now...

Fourth...vis a vis Kaiden...truthfully, the best thing for him IMO would be to be adopted by a good, loving family..a closed adoption where his name would be changed and everything....He does not need, nor does he deserve the burden of all of this....Now I know that this would be hard for Janet's family, but, truthfully, this would be the best thing they could do for him.., I know it sounds harsh, but...

[golfmom]

...first of all..Golfmom, is the memorial to Janet back up? If not, I would direct your questions about putting it back up to Jeana (DP); she's very knowledgeable about these kind of issues...


Hey cap, I don't think we're on the same page here, except we both think Jeana Rocks! Anyway, I was rambling on about IF someone other than the family was to put up a memorial website for Janet. I think that there were a gad-zillion for Laci at one point. I can't say whether the Rocha's approved of them, but regardless it did bring more attention to that case.

Someone has put up some sort of memorial at the 2nutmeg site, which most of us find sorely lacking. :rolleyes:

:blowkiss:

[JerseyGirl]

Fourth...vis a vis Kaiden...truthfully, the best thing for him IMO would be to be adopted by a good, loving family..a closed adoption where his name would be changed and everything....He does not need, nor does he deserve the burden of all of this....Now I know that this would be hard for Janet's family, but, truthfully, this would be the best thing they could do for him.., I know it sounds harsh, but...From everything we've heard, Janet's family adores that baby. And they seem to have done a great job raising Janet. I can't see how adoption would be a better alternative for Kaiden. At least if he's raised by Janet's family, he will get to know what kind of a person and a mother she was. And he will get to know about how very much she loved him.

[cappuccina]

...getting caught up now...

JerseyGirl...yes, I am very aware that Janet's family would do an excellent job raising Kaiden....However, he will still be tremendously burdened...I was just "wishing out loud" that there would be some way he could be relieved of this...

[golfmom]

...getting caught up now...

JerseyGirl...yes, I am very aware that Janet's family would do an excellent job raising Kaiden....However, he will still be tremendously burdened...I was just "wishing out loud" that there would be some way he could be relieved of this...

Cap, I'm sure you mean well. But if I was in their shoes and my daughter was brutally murdered and if my son-in-law was convicted of the crime, I sure wouldn't want any strangers raising my grandbaby. I would move heaven and earth to ensure that baby was raised within the maternal family (mine!).

[JerseyGirl]

...getting caught up now...

JerseyGirl...yes, I am very aware that Janet's family would do an excellent job raising Kaiden....However, he will still be tremendously burdened...I was just "wishing out loud" that there would be some way he could be relieved of this...I agree. I can't imagine the anguish that comes along with something like this. I know that you only have Kaiden's best interests at heart.

[cappuccina]

...Sam Sheppard's kid, and others who, even if raised by well-meaning relatives never have any semblance of "normal" life...

[SouthEastSleuth]

How is your spiritual life I wonder? Do you feel at peace with yourself and your church? Have you found solace in the church? Based on information posted here about the Mormon church, your’s and Janet’s faith in the church, etc., I’ve taken it upon myself to further educate myself, at least a little, on Mormon beliefs, etc. I came across a proclamation by President Gordon Hinckley of the Mormon church, having to do with Family.

I’m not sure if you are familiar with the document, but the following is an excerpt:

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

Note: This proclamation was read by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.



http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mediabook/0,15571,3881-1---1-11,00.html (http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mediabook/0,15571,3881-1---1-11,00.html)

Powerful writing, for sure. Do these words give you comfort? Guidance? Peace?

I’m struck by the emphasis on family. On the partnership between a husband and wife. Do you feel lost without your partner I wonder?

It’s you and Kaiden now. Extended families, sure. But you and Kaiden. And, Janet’s memory. Your wife. Kaiden’s mom.

Janet’s memory is alive and well here, for sure. I hope it lives in Utah, and in your heart…

Justice for Janet – someday, some way, some how.

Sincerely,

Someone who cares
In light of today's sad news, I wanted to re-read this letter to Raven. Immediately the highlighted lines, from the head of the Mormon church, jumped out at me:

Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.


So, to add to the letter a little:

Dear Raven,

I hope your conscience is clear. I hope you mourn the loss of not only Janet, but your unborn child. I hope you are at peace with yourself, your church, and your God. If not, according to the teachings of your faith, the message would be clear:

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God.


Sincerely,

Someone Who Cares

[golfmom]

Well, I hope Raven has a few dollars left in the memorial fund, because he might be needing it soon.

hmmmm new tires for the VX or an attorney to defend oneself from murder. Decisions, decisions.

[JerseyGirl]

newsobserver.com | Local & State (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2749834p-9187604c.html)

... In court, Abaroa said he used the cash from the shoe sales for car repairs and paying bills...

What bills were you paying, Raven? Electricity? Rent? Medical expenses? Give me a break. You were paying for your damned toys.

I've given you the benefit of the doubt on these boards over and over again. I've tried to explain away your actions, (or lack thereof), trying to always present the alternate possibilities. I've looked like a bleeding-heart jackass many times on your behalf. Yet even I have to say that this claim about stealing from your employer to pay bills is infuriating, and is a complete and utter lie.

In your posts on the VX site, you were going to sell the VX ... then you weren't ... then you were ... then you weren't. The bottom line is that you never wanted to get rid of that vehicle because you felt as if it somehow defined you. You craved the attention you thought your VX could get you, and you basked in that attention when you realized you were indeed getting it. Even after purchasing it, (new, of course), it wasn't good enough. You had to have the biggest, best, prettiest VX on the site. What happened? You originally hated that vehicle and the bad financial decision you made in buying it until you found the VX site. Then when you saw how excited the other VX owners were, you just had to be a part of that. Yet not just a part of it - you wanted everyone else to envy you. You had to have a trailer hitch, you had to have a CB, you had to have a custom paint job. In one instance, you got into a power grab with another poster over a part. Another time, you didn't even know what the part was, yet you mentioned that you might want one! I'm sorry but to me this is not the behavior of someone that is desperately down on his luck. This is someone who not only wants to keep up with the Joneses but also wants to one-up them. Maybe this is a sickness of yours, a compulsion that ended up driving you into financial ruin. Because even when faced with impending financial devastation, the "looks" that you got when driving around in the VX seemed to be more important to you than doing the right thing. Or maybe it's more like adding layer after layer of shiny, flashy gift wrap to a empty box so it takes longer for people to realize that all they've really got is an outwardly attractive and appealing package that in actuality has nothing inside.

Even with all of the circumstantial evidence that seems to have piled up against you, you might be completely innocent of Janet's murder. But you are in fact guilty of felony embezzlement. So let's call it what it is. It was not stealing to keep food on the table. It was not stealing to be able to afford surgery or medicine for a sick loved one. It was stealing so that you could keep your toys, and continually modify them in a quest to have the biggest and the best. It was stealing so that you could try to maintain a lifestyle to which you are not entitled; a lifestyle that you hadn't earned. If you were that hard-up, you could have sold those vehicles to make some good, quick cash. Yet rather than sell them, in your alleged financial desperation you continued to upgrade them. You babbled about selling things but never actually did. Why not? Because you felt like you deserved these things but you were never willing to really work for them.

Your behavior was childish and criminal. Yet it was a mistake. We all make them. I would have been able to continue to defend you when appropriate if you had stood in front of the court like a man, and admitted what you did with honesty. You stole from the company because you saw the opportunity and wanted to see if you could get away with it. You wanted some pocket cash, some fun money. Had you stood up there, and admitted the error of your ways, I could have respected your courage and some possible new-found integrity. Instead, you tried to fool the court into taking pity on you, and apparently it worked. I think it's unfortunate because I think that you've been able to use this method to get out of a lot of problems throughout your life. I don't think that you've learned anything from it.

What you showed me on Tuesday is that you are not willing to admit your mistakes and accept responsibility for your actions. Until you are ready to call your behaviors what they truly are, you have learned nothing and remain remarkably untrustworthy. I will have to think twice before defending you again because I'm starting to realize that you might not deserve the benefit of the doubt. I'm also realizing that the lack of character you showed in the courtroom might have implications that reach far beyond stealing a few thousand dollars.

[LTUlegal]

:clap: Very well said, JG!!


Yup, stealing to add on to his toy collection yet STILL not paying the bills! Rent not paid, car payments not made. I'm sure there's more that I can't think of right now.

[L L & S]

http://bestsmileys.com/flowers/8.gif for Jersey Girl. Very well written! And I agree.

[terminatrixator]

Jersey Girl, well written letter, I couldn't write a letter to Raven, because I would have to start with Dear Future Convicted Murderer, and to me, that would be the last nice thing I said to him.

:behindbar Dude, one of these days.....

[libraryg]

WooHoo Jersey Girl, you rock! :dance:
I agree 150%.

[JerseyGirl]

Thank you library, LTUlegal, terminatrixator, and LL&S, (and hey - thanks for the flowers too ... my first here on WS)!!! :dance:

Thanks also to SES for starting this thread. I've never really had anything to say to Raven before now but I'm completely p*ssed off that after everything that's happened, he couldn't even stand up there like a man and be honest about the reasons that he stole. After everything, he still can't own up to what he did. It was very therapeutic to have a place to vent. I highly recommend it to anyone that feels as if they've got something to get off of their chest.

Terminatrixator, I hope you're right. I hope an arrest comes soon. And I am willing to bet that Raven will be one of those inmates that will claim innocence to his dying day. He will never feel the need to get this off his chest because he feels no remorse for what he's done; he's a sociopathic monster and nothing more. I won't be fooled again.

[JerseyGirl]

Jersey Girl, well written letter, I couldn't write a letter to Raven, because I would have to start with Dear Future Convicted Murderer, and to me, that would be the last nice thing I said to him.Any chance of you writing one and pm'ing it to all of us? I would LOVE to see your letter to Raven!!! ;)

[golfmom]

Any chance of you writing one and pm'ing it to all of us? I would LOVE to see your letter to Raven!!! ;)

:eek: It might involve some cherries and chicken feathers! :eek:

[JerseyGirl]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:eek: It might involve some cherries and chicken feathers! :eek:

[terminatrixator]

Actually, driving in the car today, I'm in the car singing and some of the words from "Epic" by Faith No More kinda grabbed me:

You want it all but you can't have it
It's in your face but you can't grab it
It's alive, afraid, a lie, a sin
It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win
It's dark, it's moist, it's a bitter pain
It's sad it happened and it's a shame
You want it all but you can't have it

[ewwwinteresting]

(http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2749834p-9187604c.html)I will have to think twice before defending you again because I'm starting to realize that you might not deserve the benefit of the doubt. I'm also realizing that the lack of character you showed in the courtroom might have implications that reach far beyond stealing a few thousand dollars.
Great letter JG!

Since it took you awhile to come around to seeing the "real" raven...not knowing him, that the ones that do know him, haven't come to his defense because they see the "real" raven and don't know if he is actual innocent of this murder.

[lauriej]

..jersey.......

.......astounding letter!
...i had to read it over a couple of times to take it all in............you hit each and every nail ON the head...and drove it home...

...astounding that the judge bought his "poor me.....sob sob............i had bills to pay your honour".............song and dance...

...sure the ADA could have given him the heads up, but doesn't the judge ( who's DECIDING a case) have some sort of obligation as well in knowing the background when he's sentencing a defendant............???
...as far as what we've read in the media, the judge didn't even know raven's wife had been murdered.......the judge DOES live in orange county right??? what ELSE did he not bother to know about raven ?

.......a possible 12 plus years dropped to a few months suspended sentence....it's quite pathetic..........
...raven sure got away with that one...................i do hope the same judge won't be on the bench once the Murder Trial comes along..........

[Moxie]

Actually, driving in the car today, I'm in the car singing and some of the words from "Epic" by Faith No More kinda grabbed me:

You want it all but you can't have it
It's in your face but you can't grab it
It's alive, afraid, a lie, a sin
It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win
It's dark, it's moist, it's a bitter pain
It's sad it happened and it's a shame
You want it all but you can't have it
Wow. How appropriate. Sad too. But spot on, Term.

[terminatrixator]

..jersey.......

.......astounding letter!
...i had to read it over a couple of times to take it all in............you hit each and every nail ON the head...and drove it home...

...astounding that the judge bought his "poor me.....sob sob............i had bills to pay your honour".............song and dance...

...sure the ADA could have given him the heads up, but doesn't the judge ( who's DECIDING a case) have some sort of obligation as well in knowing the background when he's sentencing a defendant............???
...as far as what we've read in the media, the judge didn't even know raven's wife had been murdered.......the judge DOES live in orange county right??? what ELSE did he not bother to know about raven ?

.......a possible 12 plus years dropped to a few months suspended sentence....it's quite pathetic..........
...raven sure got away with that one...................i do hope the same judge won't be on the bench once the Murder Trial comes along.......... Actually, by law the Judge can only hear information that is presented before him, any news he hears outside of what is before him (for example, if I decided to write to the Judge and he reads my letter regrarding the murder PRIOR to him hearing the case) he would have had to recluse him from being the Judge on this case. He is only allowed to take into consideration what the DA presented.

I was ticked off too, but did research on the subject and it was the DA that should have brought this up in court, or had informed the court.

[JerseyGirl]

Since it took you awhile to come around to seeing the "real" raven...not knowing him, that the ones that do know him, haven't come to his defense because they see the "real" raven and don't know if he is actual innocent of this murder.We do keep waiting to hear someone - anyone - give us some facts and/or theories that could help us to look in a different direction, huh? Where are all of you? Believe it or not, we don't want to believe that Raven is guilty of this but we don't have anything else to go on. If other theories are out there, please let us know what they are. We're willing to do the legwork to find out if there's a possibility other than Raven.

[JerseyGirl]

Thanks, lauriej. :)

[ewwwinteresting]

We do keep waiting to hear someone - anyone - give us some facts and/or theories that could help us to look in a different direction, huh? Where are all of you? Believe it or not, we don't want to believe that Raven is guilty of this but we don't have anything else to go on. If other theories are out there, please let us know what they are. We're willing to do the legwork to find out if there's a possibility other than Raven.
Still waiting are ya, JG...maybe no other theories are realistic:waitasec: .

[lauriej]

Actually, by law the Judge can only hear information that is presented before him, any news he hears outside of what is before him (for example, if I decided to write to the Judge and he reads my letter regrarding the murder PRIOR to him hearing the case) he would have had to recluse him from being the Judge on this case. He is only allowed to take into consideration what the DA presented.

I was ticked off too, but did research on the subject and it was the DA that should have brought this up in court, or had informed the court.
......thanx term......

...i didn't know that the judge couldn't do his/her prior research..........the DA sure showed up un-prepared in this case..............
...let's hope the DA will do some homework once we go to trial on the murder charge..........

[JerseyGirl]

Still waiting are ya, JG...maybe no other theories are realistic:waitasec: .Yep, still waiting. It's just that I've been thinking about what you said - about some friends surely thinking that he must be innocent; how strange it is that only two have come forward after all of this time, (and one wasn't even a friend - just someone that knew him from a few e-mails).

[golfmom]

Raven, your own sales job to LE trying to prove you didn't murder Janet put you in the house at the exact TOD. Good luck trying to talk your way out of that one now.

If people were willing to believe your sob stories before, get ready for the mass exodus. Because as word filters out as to the exact TOD, friends and family are going to abandon you.

Enjoy what freedom you have while you can because it's only a matter of time now.

[ewwwinteresting]

Raven, your own sales job to LE trying to prove you didn't murder Janet put you in the house at the exact TOD. Good luck trying to talk your way out of that one now.

If people were willing to believe your sob stories before, get ready for the mass exodus. Because as word filters out as to the exact TOD, friends and family are going to abandon you.

Enjoy what freedom you have while you can because it's only a matter of time now.
I, too, am wondering, raven, why you were home at the TOD and since there wasn't any other person in the house besides you and Kaiden, there isn't much of a leap to make you the one that brutally murdered your wife!

Is this why your family and friends have been so quiet? Now they can abandon you quickly and silently!

OMG, raven, quit hiding and pretending you didn't do this. Try to do something right in this hideous crime and admit what you did.

[ewwwinteresting]

Love your added siggy GM.....he really showed us what was to come for his family, dogs and hobbies!

[Jenifred]

Tick, tick. Tick, tick. Tick, tick.

Anyone else hear that? Time is running out, P. Ness.

[golfmom]

Love your added siggy GM.....he really showed us what was to come for his family, dogs and hobbies!

Why thank you very much EI! It has been enlightening to see how Raven supports is family, dogs and hobbies!

I've missed seeing you around ... Welcome Back!

[ewwwinteresting]

Why thank you very much EI! It has been enlightening to see how Raven supports is family, dogs and hobbies!

I've missed seeing you around ... Welcome Back!
Thank you. Took a break for awhile from this forum. School starting and everything.

[golfmom]

Dear Raven,

I was wondering when the last time was that you checked in with the detectives working on your wife's murder? Somehow I suspect it's been a while because you're concerned about being a suspect!

GM

[Jenifred]

Dear Raven,
Are there any restaurants you want to visit one last time? I think you will miss them once you are removed from society.

JF

[terminatrixator]

Dear Raven,

Can you hear us now?

tt

[golfmom]

Raven,

The funny thing about Websleuthers is we don't give up, we're not fair-weather friends when it comes to Justice for those that we bring into our hearts. Just take a look at the JBR forum ... over 7 years and it's still active.

While you have moved on and troll for parents without partners, we'll still be here working diligently. An innocent man would be just as hard at work to bring his wife's murderer to justice.

Janet, Kaiden and the baby will have Justice. And, I don't think it'll be much longer ....

GM

[BirdHunter]

Bump! Raven do you hear me now?:slap:

[terminatrixator]

The Raven

by Edgar Allan Poe



"And the raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming.
And the lamplight o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted---nevermore!"

[L L & S]

LMAO... I had a bet going with the hub how long before someone quoted Poe in this forum.... I win.

[terminatrixator]

LMAO... I had a bet going with the hub how long before someone quoted Poe in this forum.... I win.
Ummm, did you win Chocolate? I can pm you my address if you would care to share!:crazy:

[golfmom]

Ummm, did you win Chocolate? I can pm you my address if you would care to share!:crazy:

hmmmm I thought we covered this already .... pass trixie a water bottle please.

[terminatrixator]

To The Raven,

I wanted to dedicate a song to you from some of us Sleuthers that pour our heart and soul into your Wife's case.

I wonder, do you feel this song? I hope so. I hope that we get under your skin. I think about you coming onto WS reading what we say, and I have to tell you ole Rav, we don’t’ get paid to take vacations or let you alone, yeah, we spy on you, you try to hide, we won’t let you alone….

The only peace many of us get is that we know you are going to go to hell, and though you hate us, it's okay, because most importantly, someday, Justice will be served for Janet and her unborn child.

Tick, tock, tick, tock…time is running out!

http://www.easy-sharing.com/24288/DreamPolice5.mp3.html



You know that talk is cheap, and those rumors ain’t nice.
And when I fall asleep I don’t think I’ll survive the night, the night.

’cause they’re waiting for me.
They’re looking for me.
Ev’ry single night they’re driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
(live inside of my head.)
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
(come to me in my bed.)
The dream police, they’re coming to arrest me, oh no.

Well, I can’t tell lies, ’cause they’re listening to me.
And when I fall asleep, bet they’re spying on me tonight, tonight.

’cause they’re waiting for me.
They’re looking for me.
Ev’ry single night they’re driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

I try to sleep, they’re wide awake, they won’t leave me alone.
They don’t get paid to take vacations, or let me alone.
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won’t let me alone.
They persecute me, they’re the judge and jury all in one.

[lauriej]

’cause they’re waiting for me.
They’re looking for me.
Ev’ry single night they’re driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

.......the chorus is perfect..........we could never have said it better..........good job.

....."are you hearing this now raven ??????????"

[terminatrixator]

The Raven,

You must love that things have calmed down here so much lately, not much else to say lately, since Media is quiet, you are quiet, LE is quiet.

Seems like you have gone on with your life, as if Janet was never in your life. I haven't gotten a chance to write you in a while, headaches, cold, personal stuff like that, I'm sure you feel really bad, but don't worry, I don't think headaches and colds are communicable through the Internet, but I could wish. Though you don't seem to care, I still care about Janet, though I've never met her.

Well since you are out and about having a grand old time, I thought I would share with you that when I think of you, I feel the need to listen to my Anger Management songs, thought I would share with you.

http://w03.easy-sharing.com/44297/HMSebyJ1I36LKbvNvt2/Prodigy%20-%20Breathe.mp3

Prodigy

Breathe with me.

Breathe the pressure,
Come play my game I’ll test ya.
Psychosomatic addict, insane.
Breathe the pressure,
Come play my game I’ll test ya.
Psycho,-somatic addict, insane.

Come play my game.
Inhale, inhale, you’re the victim.
Come play my game.
Exhale, exhale, exhale.

Breathe the pressure,
Come play my game I’ll test ya.
Psychosomatic addict, insane.
Breathe the pressure,
Come play my game I’ll test ya.
Psycho,-somatic addict, insane.

Come play my game.
Inhale, inhale, you’re the victim.
Come play my game.
Exhale, exhale, exhale.

Breathe with me.

Breathe the pressure,
Come play my game I’ll test ya.
Psychosomatic addict, insane.
Breathe the pressure,
Come play my game I’ll test ya.
Psycho,-somatic addict, insane.

Come play my game.
Inhale, inhale, you’re the victim.
Come play my game.
Exhale, exhale, exhale

[terminatrixator]

To The Raven,

Another song for ya!

"Narcissus"

Dear momma's boy I know you've had your butt licked by your mother
I know you've enjoyed all that attention from her
And every woman graced with your presence after
Dear narcissus boy I know you've never really apologized for anything
I know you've never really taken responsibility
I know you've never really listened to a woman

Dear me-show boy I know you're not really into conflict resolution
Or seeing both sides of every equation
Or having an uninterrupted conversation

And any talk of healthiness
And any talk of connectedness
And any talk of resolving this
Leaves you running for the door

Dear egotist boy you've never really had to suffer any consequence
You've never stayed with anyone longer than ten minutes
You'd never understand anyone showing resistance
Dear popular boy I know you're used to getting everything so easily
A stranger to the concept of reciprocity
People honor boys like you in this society

And any talk of selflessness
And any talk of working at this
And any talk of being of service
Leaves you running for the door

You go back to the women who will dance the dance
You go back to your friends who will lick your ass
You go back to ignoring all the rest of us
You go back to the center of your universe

[mysteriew]

Do you feel you are safe? Do you think that this case is bound to drop into the cold case files for future sleuthers to ponder over, never to determine who killed Janet? Do you feel that is a good thing? A good thing for Kaiden to grow up, not trusting people, cause he will know that his mother's murder was never solved, that someone out there killed his mother and it might be someone he associates with? Is that fair to Kaiden?
Just think, all the evidence has been kept and stored for future reference. Everyday they come up with new forensic techniques to study that evidence. There is no statue of limitations on murder.
Someday, someone may pull out the dusty files and then say- of course I can prove who committed the murder. When that day comes what will you be doing? Maybe it will be your wedding day. Or Kaiden's wedding day. The day you have another child, or Kaiden has his first child. How would you explain to a wife, through the visitation window, what happened that night? How will you excuse what you did? Do you anticipate the fear and condemation you might see there?
By now you realize you can never really relax. You have to stay alert, being careful that you don't let something slip. Do you ever feel as though if you were to get drunk, that you might actually confess? It's a heavy burden isn't it? You try to move forward with your life, yet have to keep looking back over your shoulder. Always in fear that somehow, they will get the proof they need. How will they do it? Will it be a new forensic technique? A witness who observes something you said or did? A piece of evidence that had been previously missed? Scary isn't it?
Memories can be so comforting, or so terrible. When you close your eyes, what do you see? The way she could smile, or the look in her eyes that night? The look in her eyes when she was happy, or the way the wound looked?
So you keep yourself busy, that way you won't have to think. But every time something good happens in your life- you will be looking to see if they are coming for you today. H*ll of a way to live isn't it?

[FLYGIRL]

I am new to this site. Is there someone looking for Raven or his where abouts? I have seen him.

[golfmom]

I am new to this site. Is there someone looking for Raven or his where abouts? I have seen him.

Welcome to Websleuths Flygirl!

We always enjoy a good Raven update.

[FLYGIRL]

I Had Not Heard Of This Case Before Until Yesterday. I Am Bothered By What I Have Read, And Truly Wonder If Raven Is Guilty. I Saw Him Yesterday, And It Gave Me The Shivers. Is He A Suspect And Does Someone Need To Locate Him?

[terminatrixator]

I am new to this site. Is there someone looking for Raven or his where abouts? I have seen him.
LOL. You have!!! Is his hairline still receding and did he lose that PUDGE yet?

Would love to hear The Raven updates, if you are up to it!

If you see him again, could you tell him Trix said she's looking for more songs to dedicate to him and give him the Ole L for me:loser:!

[golfmom]

I Had Not Heard Of This Case Before Until Yesterday. I Am Bothered By What I Have Read, And Truly Wonder If Raven Is Guilty. I Saw Him Yesterday, And It Gave Me The Shivers. Is He A Suspect And Does Someone Need To Locate Him?

He has not been named a suspect. IMHO, LE knows exactly where he is ... even though Raven thinks they are incompetent, bumbling, rednecks.

I'm just curious FG, have you known Raven for long?

[terminatrixator]

Again, Welcome FlyGirl.

Actually, I do know what Raven will be doing this evening. He will be playing Soccer tonight with the Mulletpoofs.

[FLYGIRL]

Who Is Le? Who Knows Where He Is? Does Someone Need To Be Contacted About His Whereabouts? I Do Not Know Him, I Saw Him Yesterday With His Son And Talking About The Murder. I Was Suspicicous And I Looked This Info Up On The Internet.

[golfmom]

Who Is Le? Who Knows Where He Is? Does Someone Need To Be Contacted About His Whereabouts? I Do Not Know Him, I Saw Him Yesterday With His Son And Talking About The Murder. I Was Suspicicous And I Looked This Info Up On The Internet.

LE is Law Enforcement.

What was he saying about the murder?

[terminatrixator]

Ah, he was talking about his wife's murder? He acknowledges that she didn't commit suicide or just so happened to die?

Wow, nice of The Raven to admit he had a wife. Of course, if he thinks he is going to get sympathy or hand-outs, he will talk that up, and play the pitiful bereaved husband. Too bad, he doesn't seem bereaved while out at single things, playing soccer and while working part-time in a bike shop, while taking money from the Trust Fund which should go to his child, whom Raven describes as "he looks good."

Good reason to be suspicious FlyGirl, and keep yourself a safe distance from the guy, he has temper and anger management issues, when he is not acting the bereaved husband.

[FLYGIRL]

He Was Trying To Make People Feel Sorry For Him And Saying That He Lost His Wife To A Murderer In April. And That He Is A Great Father Raising His Son. So, I Was Just Concerned When I Read The Info On The Internet. I Was Wondering If I Should Call Our Local Sheriff Or What. I Am All To Familiar With The Mark Hacking Story. It Sounds So Similar. I Lived Close To The Hacking Family. Gf

[golfmom]

He Was Trying To Make People Feel Sorry For Him And Saying That He Lost His Wife To A Murderer In April. And That He Is A Great Father Raising His Son. So, I Was Just Concerned When I Read The Info On The Internet. I Was Wondering If I Should Call Our Local Sheriff Or What. I Am All To Familiar With The Mark Hacking Story. It Sounds So Similar. I Lived Close To The Hacking Family. Gf

We can easily get you the contact information for the current detective if you would like.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

is it not bad enough the way she was treated? now he has to go and look for people to feel sorry for him? what about janet? sorry it just really bothers me.

[FLYGIRL]

I Would Just To Help If I Could. I Don't Know What Your Connection Is With His Wife, But I Am Sorry For Your Loss.

[terminatrixator]

He said he's a great father? Did he happen to mention how he pawns beautiful Kaiden on Talons, and anyone he can get so he can go to all his functions, sporting functions, his part-time bike shop, his fun and extracurricular activities? lol.

He is not the doting father, he tries to portrays. He can't handle raising a child. He thinks of Kaiden as an object, a possession, not a child.

I'm so glad that you found the forum here, so you can yourself read everything and put two and two together, connect-the-dots....and unfortunately, there is only one conclusion, which is so sad.

[JerseyGirl]

Hi Flygirl and welcome to WS.

Are you able to give us any information about where it was that you saw Raven and exactly what you overheard? And to whom was he speaking? How many people was he with, etc?

It's incredible to me that he said enough that you were able to pinpoint the case here at WS ... we could sure use sleuthing ability like that around here! :)

I hope you'll continue to discuss the case with us, and welcome again!

[lauriej]

Who Is Le? Who Knows Where He Is? Does Someone Need To Be Contacted About His Whereabouts? I Do Not Know Him, I Saw Him Yesterday With His Son And Talking About The Murder. I Was Suspicicous And I Looked This Info Up On The Internet.
hello flygirl..welcome!

..i was quite thrilled to log on tonight, and see that there is NEW info! i'm glad that you found "WS"..........

..where was he-----while talking about the murder ? and what was he saying?
..why did you become suspicious ?

..this is fabulous, that you don't know him, yet were able to overhear him OPENLY talking about the murder-------i hope that you'll continue to post your insight-------
..you are in a very unique position flygirl-----in that you don't know raven personally, but, are close enough to hear tidbits of conversation. what is he like "in person" ? is he sad ? does he treat his son well ?

..i don't get here much these days, but do hope to read posts from you when i can get back--------interesting stuff, thanks!

..welcome again..

[Jenifred]

Sorry fellow WSleuthers, but I'm not going to take this bait. I think that FLYGIRL is FLY-BY-NIGHT. Whoever this is won't be back, just like so many of our other friends and baiters--HoppyFrog, Rooster, Let it Snow, Radar, and so forth. I don't much care for those that just want to start rumors flying or throw stones at those of us that have logged in here day after day to find out who murdered Janet Christiansen-Abaroa (I cringe to attach his name to her's) was murdered. And until posters start jumping in and tossing in their two cents, instead of playing this "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" stuff, I won't listen to them. BTW, I am fully prepared to eat my words if any of those I mentioned start contributing some kind of thought provoking conversation.

[Jenifred]

Almost forgot...

lauriej--have you gone soft on us? What's happened to all of your..............?? Traded them for-------? I miss them!;)

[terminatrixator]

Yeah, you are probably right Jenifred.....Where's Hoppy, Offroad, Radar, LetitSnow and Rooster lately. Mr. Hoppy here, non-stop now gone....

So does GF = girl friend? Is Raven sending his SoccerChickies on us roflmao!

[terminatrixator]

I love LauriJ's posting style whichever way she posts.... :blowkiss:

But I Can Tell You This, Some Posting Styles Are Really Absolutely Idiotic, But That's Just Because I Have Anger Management Issues.:doh:

[Justgimmethetruth]

I think your anger issues have chased away a new girlfriend, Trix! Hope you come back Flygirl.

[Jenifred]

Let's get real--no one chased anyone away.

[L L & S]

i caN dO iT toO! i caN dO iT toO!

?won em raeh uoy naC !nevaR

[terminatrixator]

bAd terMie bAd GiRl, iF yOu doN't eAt yOur MeAt yOu caN't haVe aNy pudDin'...

[Jess]

oT stnaW eH tahW sraeH ylnO eH , ON

[golfmom]

:laugh: oT stnaW eH tahW sraeH ylnO eH , ON

Isn't that the truth!

[Moxie]

AAAHHHHHHH!!!

My head is hurting!!

[Jess]

Flygirl has done gone and flown the coop! And here I was waiting for her to come back with some more observations which would shed more light on Raven's present activities.

Or maybe she was grounded ??

[terminatrixator]

The Raven,

:slap:

[JerseyGirl]

I'm thinking I might have missed something. :waitasec:

Anyway, I'm ready for some news. I don't even care who it is that brings it anymore. But for God's sake LE, make an arrest already. :banghead:

[mysteriew]

I wonder what will happen to break this case? Will it be a new piece of evidence? A new look at the case by LE, where they develop a new understanding of what they currently have? A new witness? Or an inadvertent statement by one of the known parties in the case? A slip in other words. It will happen. It may take time, but it will happen. The only real unknown is how long it will take. May not happen for a while. Or it could happen today or tomorrow. A lot of pressure on someone. Probably makes it hard to sleep. Just wondering what or when?

[JerseyGirl]

It may take time, but it will happen. The only real unknown is how long it will take. May not happen for a while. Or it could happen today or tomorrow. A lot of pressure on someone. Probably makes it hard to sleep.Good post. Let's hope that at the absolute minimum, the scum that did this is living with his own guilt and is haunted every night by memories of Janet's smile and her laugh and the look in her eyes when holding her beatiful baby.

[mysteriew]

Good post. Let's hope that at the absolute minimum, the scum that did this is living with his own guilt and is haunted every night by memories of Janet's smile and her laugh and the look in her eyes when holding her beatiful baby.

I would prefer that he remember the look on her face as she saw the knife, the look on her face as she was lying there in a pool of her own blood, the look of the blood on his own hands.
The looks on the faces of her parents and friends at her funeral, and the strain that shows in their faces now. The look on Kaiden's face when he said Mommy and she didn't appear.

[terminatrixator]

I started decorating for Thanksgiving and I thought,
Wow, if I was The Raven, I would be giving thanks every single day that I can do whatever I want whenever I want, enjoying my freedom.

http://www.easy-sharing.com/81454/Raventurkey.mp3.html

Cold Turkey Song Lyrics

Artist/Band: The Plastic Ono Band

(John Lennon)

Temperature's rising
Fever is high
Can't see no future
Can't see no sky

My feet are so heavy
So is my head
I wish I was a baby
I wish I was dead

Cold turkey has got me on the run
My body is aching
Goose-pimple bone
Can't see no body
Leave me alone

My eyes are wide open
Can't get to sleep
One thing I'm sure of
I'm in at the deep freeze

Cold turkey has got me on the run
Cold turkey has got me on the run

Thirty-six hours
Rolling in pain
Praying to someone
Free me again Oh I'll be a good boy
Please make me well
I promise you anything
Get me out of this hell

Cold turkey has got me on the run

Oh, oh, oh, oh

[JustJax]

How about a little roasted Bird??
http://www.gifs.net/animate/turky.gif

[Jenifred]

Alright Raven--

I'm writing this to plead with you--give Kaiden to the Christiansens. If you are not giving him the attention that he deserves to have from his own father and if he is in daycare all day while you put in your 10 hours a week in at work and play the rest, while Kaiden goes home only to have your mother take care of him, let the Christiansens have him. Let him be in an environment with cousins and family that he can interact with all of the time. That the person he runs to if he falls down isn't a caregiver but a family member.

I pity you Raven, I pity you that you have no feelings. I pity you because you think that putting Kaiden in daycare just to get him out of your hair (thinning as it may be) is a good idea. I pity you because while Janet could have been at home with her baby getting a few more moments in with her sweet son, you created the situation that caused her to work out of the home. I pity you because you have no remorse for what you have done to your family. I pity you because you actually believe that you aren't the reason why all of this happened.

Believe me, I could go on and on. But why don't you for the first time in your life, do the wise and right thing and let the Christiansens have Kaiden?

JF

[ewwwinteresting]

Alright Raven--

I'm writing this to plead with you--give Kaiden to the Christiansens. If you are not giving him the attention that he deserves to have from his own father and if he is in daycare all day while you put in your 10 hours a week in at work and play the rest, while Kaiden goes home only to have your mother take care of him, let the Christiansens have him. Let him be in an environment with cousins and family that he can interact with all of the time. That the person he runs to if he falls down isn't a caregiver but a family member.

I pity you Raven, I pity you that you have no feelings. I pity you because you think that putting Kaiden in daycare just to get him out of your hair (thinning as it may be) is a good idea. I pity you because while Janet could have been at home with her baby getting a few more moments in with her sweet son, you created the situation that caused her to work out of the home. I pity you because you have no remorse for what you have done to your family. I pity you because you actually believe that you aren't the reason why all of this happened.

Believe me, I could go on and on. But why don't you for the first time in your life, do the wise and right thing and let the Christiansens have Kaiden?

JF
...And giving up his meal ticket? raven is probably receiving free money, free medical, free babysitting, free benefits just because he has Kaiden. Giving that up? I don't see that happening!

[Jenifred]

...And giving up his meal ticket? raven is probably receiving free money, free medical, free babysitting, free benefits just because he has Kaiden. Giving that up? I don't see that happening!
I guess that's what's funding his trips. Wonder if there's some way to tip off health and human services to the fact that there might be an abuse of funds in this case.

You're dirty Raven, simply dirty. Using your child as a meal ticket and spending money. What about using that money for what it's really for--KAIDEN!!

[terminatrixator]

To The Raven,

Now I lay me down to sleep
I hope LE stays away from my street
If I shall die before I wake
I've saved the taxpayers from me on the make!

From me to you the Raven - Sleep Tight...
Sleep Tight PNess!

[mysteriew]

I am going to ask that other people not respond to this post.

If you know something about this murder which you have not disclosed, and you have found your way here, then kudos to you. If you keep coming here, that means what you know is disturbing you. You have some degree of intelligence if you found us. And you must have a concience.
You have found your way to a bunch of people who hate unanswered mysteries. Unanswered questions bother us. It doesn't affect any of us directly, yet we cannot let it go. As long as there are questions, there will be attention. Have you noticed there are many like us?
Many times we hear, "you don't understand". We will listen.
You are in a unique position to answer many of our questions, and help us to understand. Was someone trapped in a situation and wanted out? Was there too much pressure on someone? Did they snap and do the unthinkable? Or did someone knowingly and deliberately set out to murder this woman? Did they know she was pregnant? Was that what led up to the murder? Was any thought given to Kaiden? Are you afraid they will do it again someday? I have heard the second time is easier.
Have they talked about it to anyone? If they did, that is a heavy burden to put on someone else. Or do you just have your suspicions?
I really do want to understand. And I will listen. Sometimes it is easier to share a burden. Why do you think they shared what they did with you?
Because they needed to share the burden in order to ease their own.
It won't be forgotten you know. It will continue to hang there. And when it is finally solved, there probably won't be a chance to make people understand. Now is your chance to share and no attorneys, LE, judges or courts to distort what you want to be known. Thank you for listening.

[mysteriew]

I just posted an article in Crimes in the News where three brothers discovered that their father was suspected in a bank robbery. One of the brothers was a cop. They turned him in. In the article they talked about how their father raised them to be good citizen's, how sick the crime made them, and how they felt that they had to turn him in. That was the way they were raised. A statement from the father was that they did the right thing.
I think of the families of people who commit crimes. They love the person, quite often they find it difficult to believe that the person could commit the crime they are accused of. I think of Mark Hackings family, and the family of the little boy who killed a younger schoolmate (I can't think of his name right now, it was several years ago. His grandfather was a sheriff. The family turned the child in when they suspected he might be the one who killed the other child). It must be so very difficult. Yet they are people to be admired. They still loved the family member. They still wanted the best for them. But they understood that if the family member was allowed to get by with their crime, that in some ways- not good ways, it would change the one they loved. They truly loved their family member, and want the best for them. And that included making them face the problem, the crimes they committed. It must be so hard. It will tear a family apart. But so would keeping quiet. How could you forget your suspicions. How could you ignore what you thought happened. In what ways will it change the murderer. A person who has now faced taking a life, and having got by with it, and learned to live with it, what will happen to them now? Will they handle another problem like this in the future? Will they snap again? Who will it be the next time? A wife, a child, a parent? It happens every day.
I don't know who killed Janet. I tend to believe it was someone close to her, someone she knew well. The crime scene points to that. Was it her husband?
Someone knows. Someone is worrying now about the effect that this crime will have on the person who committed this murder.
Do you think that this person will go on with his life, work, maybe raise a family, be happy, and forget this ever happened? Think that he/she will go on with their life, holding the fact that they saw her face when she was dying and will go on to live a good life, because they didn't get caught? Questions like this would tear me up. I can understand the turmoil a family would go through. But I really admire the ones who love their family member enough, who truly want the best for their family member- enough to turn them in. So that they can get the help they need. So that they can begin to come to some understanding of what they did, and learn to forgive themselves.
These families show, you can love the person, you can be supportive, and you can want what is best for the person. And still turn them in. I admire them for the example they set.

[terminatrixator]

Wonderful Posts Mystery, it is very appreciated and I hope it is not going to fall on deaf ears.

I really don't think most close to The Raven have it in them, to actually come forward and admit it. Fear of the Murderer? I could see that. Guilt that they are associated with a murderer? There should be no guilt in being associated with one, unless you have information that could lead to an arrest. Afraid of retribution, through friends or family? Who knows?

At this time, I don't know if anyone really close to The Raven can admit to themselves he committed this crime, it would have to be a horrible thought, and quite scary for them and probably lonely too.

I also don't see anyone close to him coming forward and admit to themselves or others what he really is a liar, a thief, an adulterer, a horrible father, a sociopath, and in my opinion, a cold-blooded murderer.

[mysteriew]

Did you all see this post I put in Cold cases?
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=889297#post889297

He thought he got away with it. Time went by and he thought he was in the clear. Busted! Wonder how it made his family feel? Wonder if he has had kids, and if they are now ashamed of their father?
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=889297#post889297

Forensics is much better now than it was 23 yrs ago. I bet it won't take that long this time. Wonder if the arrest will come on Thanksgiving Day? Right in the middle of Turkey dinner?

[Jenifred]

I bet it won't take that long this time. Wonder if the arrest will come on Thanksgiving Day? Right in the middle of Turkey dinner?That would rock!! Can you just see it? Turkey and dressing flying as the PD rushes in and nabs Raven. Ah, I'm sure reality wouldn't be that dramatic.

[terminatrixator]

That would definitely be something to be Thankful for, however, I really think there is more that needs to be investigated on this case.

I don't believe that all testing is completed yet, by checking with the backlog on this case. I would also assume LE would probably still need to set up another interview with The Raven, to clear up a few things after the testing came in.

I don't think this case is going to take 23 years however, I think this case still has a few unanswered questions, and it may take a while longer, because of the lack of weapon, the circumstantial evidence on the case, and the other things going on right now in Durham, the trial etc.

[JerseyGirl]

That would rock!! Can you just see it? Turkey and dressing flying as the PD rushes in and nabs Raven. Ah, I'm sure reality wouldn't be that dramatic.I just hope and pray that Kaiden doesn't have to witness the arrest. :( I truly hope with everything in me that LE will consider that if and when they decide to arrest Raven. If it's in the presence of that child, he could be traumatized for life. As much as many of us dislike Raven, Kaiden sees him as Daddy. This whole damned thing is so sad. So pointless. Everyone comes out a loser.

[Moxie]

I wish it would be over Thanksgiving dinner! But we have no way of knowing and since LE isn't talking, we aren't going to know. Remember how we hoped it would be on his birthday?

However, we can always dream of it happening on Christmas day!!

Maybe in church?!?!? The bike shop?!?!

There are any number of exciting possibilities.

[Moxie]

I just hope and pray that Kaiden doesn't have to witness the arrest. :( I truly hope with everything in me that LE will consider that if and when they decide to arrest Raven. If it's in the presence of that child, he could be traumatized for life. As much as many of us dislike Raven, Kaiden sees him as Daddy. This whole damned thing is so sad. So pointless. Everyone comes out a loser.
JG,

I am humbled by your post. Here I am being all punchy and you raise the most important point.

The safety of Kaiden. I don't know that LE is even going to arrest Raven, but I would imagine that they would not want to do anything to affect that poor little boy, unless, of course, Raven gives them no choice, ie, using Kaiden as a tool to avoid a confrontational arrest.

I believe Raven has already taken that sweet child's mother - at this point, Raven has done the worst thing that could ever happen to Kaiden.


Moxie

[JerseyGirl]

JG,

I am humbled by your post. Here I am being all punchy and you raise the most important point.
Oh, no Moxie - it's quite okay to be punchy. It's just that the thought of Raven being arrested in front of Kaiden has practically been haunting me for a long time. And as the holidays approach, I think of how thankful I am for my kids, and how thankful they probably are for me (most of the time, even if they won't admit it!), and that reminds me of that poor little boy who will never know about the love of a mother. It's really been on my mind today, thinking about how Kaiden will be conscious of this Thanksgiving; playing with cousins, toddling around the house, probably getting into everything, and eating turkey with his little baby fingers. And today it's bothering me more than ever that Janet won't be there to experience those moments.

I believe Raven has already taken that sweet child's mother - at this point, Raven has done the worst thing that could ever happen to Kaiden.
I think you're 100% right. If Raven did this, and the only way to arrest him is in front of Kaiden, then that's what's going to need to be done. I just hope that Raven, for maybe the first time in his life, will do the right thing and make sure that it doesn't come to that. Either way, it makes me so sad to think that Kaiden's already lost his Mommy and he may lose his "Daddy" as well, and possibly in front of his own eyes. Not that Raven doesn't deserve to go to jail; just that that poor little baby didn't deserve any of this.

I'm so sorry for being a downer. Please continue to lighten this up with humor. Some days we really need that. Today is one of them for me. I really do appreciate the levity.

[terminatrixator]

You could always download that Turkey song to The Raven if you need a little humor JG.

My thoughts and prayers are going out to Kaiden this Thanksgiving, and all those that are hurting.

[Moxie]

Hi JG,


I'll do my best to add some humor - it is such a sad thing to think of Kaiden without his Mommy. Maybe humor is just my way of dealing with it.

Regardless, if Raven was not involved in Janet's murder, then I know LE wouldn't even be thinking of arresting him, so it's a moot point.

However... if Raven was involved, in any way, in Janet's death, then I believe LE will get him. And Raven will have to live with that. Constantly wondering if today is the day.

And if he runs, well then we know he's guilty, and that will destroy any chance of him being found innocent at a trial.

Moxie

[mysteriew]

Must be hard to be trapped like that. Knowing they will be coming to arrest you. And knowing that if you run, you might as well announce your guilt to all of your family and friends.
I would be feeling pretty awful. Feeling the guilt, the paranoia, then flashes of anger, do you also feel grief? Maybe some flashes of hope, feeling that no one will ever know- that you will get by with it, and then the fear that you won't.
Keep yourself busy so you don't have to think about it. Cram as much activity into your days as possible, as much living as possible- you never know when it will end.

[cappuccina]

I said many, many months ago that the best thing for this sweet innocent little boy would have been for him to be adopted by an (anonymous) loving family. Clearly, he should not be with his father. While I know his mother's relatives are apparently decent folks, as long as Daddy is loose things could be very tense (and worse) if custody were to be tranferred to them, IMO....becase Daddy's perhaps a tad psychotic and narcissistic with a teensy, weensy anger management problem...

If he were adopted in a closed adoption he would also not be burdened with the terrible events surrounding his mother's death....that his father has most likely killed his mother...Again, I ask you to look at Sam Sheppard's son who grew up terribly depressed and burdened by his family situation. While he is a very good person, this has colored every aspect of his life...

[Jenifred]

Must be hard to be trapped like that. Knowing they will be coming to arrest you. And knowing that if you run, you might as well announce your guilt to all of your family and friends.
You know, from all that I've read here about Raven's family, I don't think that him running would prove anything to the Abaroas. They would believe that they are helping an innocent man keep away from an unnecessary trial. They are all a little looney, if you get what I'm saying.

[Moxie]

You know, from all that I've read here about Raven's family, I don't think that him running would prove anything to the Abaroas. They would believe that they are helping an innocent man keep away from an unnecessary trial. They are all a little looney, if you get what I'm saying.
Right, but it would prove a heck of a lot to the rest of the world, including LE, judges, his bishops and the jury pool.

[terminatrixator]

To The Raven,

Here's hoping you have a Thanksgiving filled with regret, guilt, and hopefully the Spirit of the Holiday, will give you something, you have never had before, that is a conscience.

I hope you can find it, in that thing ticking in your chest, that's called a heart, to spend some time with your child, and at least attempt to show him some love, I know you have it in you to fake it, but maybe today you can try for real.

I know that will be a stretch for you because you see him as an object or a possession, but hopefully for Thanksgiving, you can show something that closely resembles love to a child that should be spending today with his Mother and her family.

[Jenifred]

I wonder if a raven tastes like chicken? I bet a raven would fry pretty good.

[mysteriew]

Whew, you made it safely through Thanksgiving dinner. Did you think of her? Any thoughts of past Thanksgivings when she would have been busy with preparations?
How far along would she have been now? Have you ever wondered if it was a boy or a girl? Who the baby would have looked like?

[NK57]

Dear Raven,

Did you give thanks today that you were not arrested today?

[mad hatter]

I wonder if a raven tastes like chicken? I bet a raven would fry pretty good.
hehehehe :laugh:

[terminatrixator]

I said many, many months ago........snipped. Yes, I am sure many of us who spend our days sleuthing the Janet Marie Christiansen murder remember you bringing up this subject in the past, so I feel that it did not bear repeating the day before a major holiday, IMO.

I see nothing wrong with adoption in most cases, but each case is different. I guess I just don't see it in the same light as you do, and perhaps you have your reasons for thinking this way and they are noble.

Adoption is a beautiful thing, but in this case, I think the family and Kaiden would suffer more so, and this family needs each other. The Christiansens are a good family and a loving family. I think it would be devastating to the Christiansens and to Kaiden not to be able to spend time together.

I'm sure you didn't mean to be insensitive, but I guess, at this time, many of us are just a touch sensitive about this case, as we spend hours upon hours, going over it, and this case is personal to many of us.

[mysteriew]

If there is a murderer reading here:
How is your holiday going? Must be hard to have your celebration tempered by the need to watch what you say to people. Not able to completely relax and talk openly about what you are thinking and feeling. People would not understand, would they? Watch your drinking, as that tends to make you incautious. We wouldn't want you to slip and say something incriminating, LOL. Will you think of her on Christmas Day? When you take a big bite of Christmas dinner- will you miss something she usually cooked? What do you think she would have chosen to buy for Kaiden for this Christmas? He will never know will he? She would be showing quite a bit by now. Remember when she was pregnant with Kaiden? Remember all the planning and attention she gave to her pregnancy, and how much she looked forward to his birth? This was a different pregnancy, but still would have been something to look forward to.
Ahhh, the holidays. Time for families to come together, but there is an empty place at this holiday time. Will you think back to past Christmas's? Or will you be too busy expecting that knock on the door? LE works on Christmas you know. Maybe they are planning on timing the arrest- just as you are opening gifts. Merry Christmas, suprise!
How many more holidays do you think you will celebrate on the outside? Make the most of this one, it could be your last.
Did Kaiden ask Santa to bring his Mom home for Christmas? Many children do you know. Oh he is too young to do it this year, but I would almost bet you he will sometime in the future.
Tell me, when your family gets together, are they being just a little too careful around you? Looking at you too long, or maybe not long enough? Do they act a little strange around you now? Maybe conversations stop as you walk into the room? Does that make you uncomfortable? Do you feel that everything has changed since Janet's death?
One way to make that stop is to tell them what you did. Act like a real man, and take responsibility for your actions. It will be difficult, but you might as well get it over with. They will arrest you sooner or later, and I know the waiting is hard. You could beat them to it, and confess. That will make you look a little better. At least you can say, you want to take responsibility for what you did. You lose that chance if you wait until you are arrested. And you will be arrested eventually. You know that as well as I do.
Do it for yourself, do it for Kaiden, do it for your family, do it for Janet, but just get it over with. Face up to your actions, and make that feeling of having an axe hanging over head go away. That feeling of an impending doom is usually worse than actually facing what you did.
Take a deep breath, and just say it.

[terminatrixator]

If there is a murderer reading here:
How is your holiday going? Must be hard to have your celebration tempered by the need to watch what you say to people. Not able to completely relax and talk openly about what you are thinking and feeling. People would not understand, would they? Watch your drinking, as that tends to make you incautious. We wouldn't want you to slip and say something incriminating, LOL. Will you think of her on Christmas Day? When you take a big bite of Christmas dinner- will you miss something she usually cooked? What do you think she would have chosen to buy for Kaiden for this Christmas? He will never know will he? She would be showing quite a bit by now. Remember when she was pregnant with Kaiden? Remember all the planning and attention she gave to her pregnancy, and how much she looked forward to his birth? This was a different pregnancy, but still would have been something to look forward to.
Ahhh, the holidays. Time for families to come together, but there is an empty place at this holiday time. Will you think back to past Christmas's? Or will you be too busy expecting that knock on the door? LE works on Christmas you know. Maybe they are planning on timing the arrest- just as you are opening gifts. Merry Christmas, suprise!
How many more holidays do you think you will celebrate on the outside? Make the most of this one, it could be your last.
Did Kaiden ask Santa to bring his Mom home for Christmas? Many children do you know. Oh he is too young to do it this year, but I would almost bet you he will sometime in the future.
Tell me, when your family gets together, are they being just a little too careful around you? Looking at you too long, or maybe not long enough? Do they act a little strange around you now? Maybe conversations stop as you walk into the room? Does that make you uncomfortable? Do you feel that everything has changed since Janet's death?
One way to make that stop is to tell them what you did. Act like a real man, and take responsibility for your actions. It will be difficult, but you might as well get it over with. They will arrest you sooner or later, and I know the waiting is hard. You could beat them to it, and confess. That will make you look a little better. At least you can say, you want to take responsibility for what you did. You lose that chance if you wait until you are arrested. And you will be arrested eventually. You know that as well as I do.
Do it for yourself, do it for Kaiden, do it for your family, do it for Janet, but just get it over with. Face up to your actions, and make that feeling of having an axe hanging over head go away. That feeling of an impending doom is usually worse than actually facing what you did.
Take a deep breath, and just say it.
Great Post! Sociopaths don't confess unfortunately, this murderer don't care about Kaiden, don't care about his family, obviously didn't care about Janet or the baby she was carrying.

Life will go on as usual for this murderer, until th