Joseph Edward Duncan III, Kidnapping sexual predator

[Liz]

Registered sex offender and certifiably stupid, had the balls to take Shasta into a local Denny's!

Duncan, 42 years old and registered as living in Fargo, North Dakota has an extensive record.

His mother lives in Tacoma WA. (Eta just heard that Duncan is originally from Tacoma, WA, too.)

He's spent more than a decade in Jail for Child Moolestation.

Shasta is reportedly safe and calm. God bless her little heart! :blowkiss:


ETA: This is a Godsend that he was found as this creep was not even on LE's radar. They did not even have his name.

Also heard that Vance has not been able to see Shasta or talk to her yet as she has been sedated(?). Sedated? Huh?

BTW it was teenagers that spotted Shasta!

ETA: While I'm changing the title to reflect "sexual predator", I might as well add this. I think the report of "teenagers" spotting Shasta was the two guys Chris and Nick outside Denny's and I question if they were young enough to be labeled teenagers

[LTUlegal]

http://www.dl-online.com/fullstory.php?id=14414
Police searching for Fargo sex offender, Joseph Edward Duncan III

[Liz]

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Joseph Edward Duncan III

Yikes.....

FARGO -- A North Dakota State University student and one of this city's first high-risk sex offenders has been charged in Becker County, Minn., with molesting a 7-year-old boy near a middle school. Joseph Edward Duncan III, 42, was charged with second-degree criminal sexual conduct and attempted criminal sexual conduct. The criminal complaint accuses Duncan of approaching a 7-year-old boy and his 9-year-old friend with a video camera on July 3 at a middle school playground. Duncan's criminal past includes the 1980 rape of a 14-year-old boy in Washington. He served 14 years in prison for the crime before moving in 2000 to Fargo.

http://www.armyofgod.com/Leviticus.html

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Good info and thank you Paula!

[Liz]

http://www.dl-online.com/fullstory.php?id=14414
Police searching for Fargo sex offender, Joseph Edward Duncan III


Thanks for that LTUlegal!

Here is a quote from that article:
"While there, Duncan told doctors he had his first homosexual and heterosexual experiences when he was 12; forced a 9-year-old to have sexual contact with him at gunpoint when he was 15; and tied up six boys, ages 6 through 10, and forced them to have sexual contact with him when he was 16."


What a total dumb a*s POS! Duncan tore down the flyer of the missing children as he entered into the Denny's!

[MaryBelle]

Posted on Wed, Apr. 06, 2005

Convicted sex offender posts bail after court appearance

Associated Press


FARGO, N.D. - A convicted sex offender has posted $15,000 cash bail after his first court appearance on charges of molesting a boy in Minnesota last summer.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, 42, of Fargo, is charged in Becker County, Minn., with second-degree criminal sexual conduct and attempted criminal sexual conduct. He is accused of molesting a 6-year-old boy near a Detroit Lakes middle school last July.

Duncan is considered a high-risk offender, authorities said. He served 14 years in prison for raping a 14-year-old boy in Washington in 1980, when Duncan was 16.

Duncan, who moved to Fargo in 2000, is a student at North Dakota State University. He has declined comment on the case.


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[MaryBelle]

http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~jduncan/resume.html

[LTUlegal]

http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~jduncan/resume.html
YOU FOUND IT!! You're GOOD! kxlytv found it & I was looking for it, as well! :clap:

[LTUlegal]

I don't think he actually graduated in May as he expected & stated on his resume. Otherwise occupied.:furious:

[Liz]

http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~jduncan/resume.html


Interesting, MaryBelle. This is from his resume:

"I am a "go getter" and I believe in the power of computers to help mankind achieve its potential, tinkering in amateur philosophy as I may. I like to develop web pages in my spare time for various small groups and organizations."


At this time, I can just thank God for making some people, like Duncan, so fricken stoopid! How stupid or is it just plain ballsy to think you can walk into a local Denny's restaurant with your kidnapped victim?!!

[MaryBelle]

I am so angry that I could just spit nails! Why wasn't this guy locked up for life! When is something going to be done to stop these monsters from wandering around free to do this over and over?!

I pray that Dylan is alive but I fear Shasta meant that he was left at "the house" dead since she also said her brother was in Heaven. Have the police even found "the house?" I understand the Denny's was located right next to an interstate highway so there is no telling how far they had driven before stopping at Denny's at 2:30 a.m.

So sad.

[mysteriew]

Posted on Wed, Apr. 06, 2005

Convicted sex offender posts bail after court appearance

Associated Press

FARGO, N.D. - A convicted sex offender has posted $15,000 cash bail after his first court appearance on charges of molesting a boy in Minnesota last summer.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, 42, of Fargo, is charged in Becker County, Minn., with second-degree criminal sexual conduct and attempted criminal sexual conduct. He is accused of molesting a 6-year-old boy near a Detroit Lakes middle school last July.

Duncan is considered a high-risk offender, authorities said. He served 14 years in prison for raping a 14-year-old boy in Washington in 1980, when Duncan was 16.

Duncan, who moved to Fargo in 2000, is a student at North Dakota State University. He has declined comment on the case.
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Ok, Dunkin is showing that he is delinquent on the North Dakota registry. On the other thread they determined that he went delinquent in April 2005. (Same month as this article). When is he due to go to court again in Minn? The murders and kidnapping occurred in May 2005.

[SauerKraut]

I am so angry that I could just spit nails! Why wasn't this guy locked up for life! When is something going to be done to stop these monsters from wandering around free to do this over and over?!

I pray that Dylan is alive but I fear Shasta meant that he was left at "the house" dead since she also said her brother was in Heaven. Have the police even found "the house?" I understand the Denny's was located right next to an interstate highway so there is no telling how far they had driven before stopping at Denny's at 2:30 a.m.

So sad.

You mean chew nails and spit rust.

These sex offenders who do this to children are incurable.

Let's not jump to conclusions about Dylan being dead, I'm not sure she's not talking about Slade.

[fran]

This guy is a Level Three sex offender. This is exactly the type of criminal we need to use these gps tracking devices for. After the first offense, LWOP, IMO.

What's even dumber, IMO, is the perp tore the picture of Shasta off the wall when he entered Dennys. Talk about bringing attention to oneself! :doh:

JMHO
fran

[MaryBelle]

You mean chew nails and spit rust.


Yeah, that's it. :o

This is from the deviat's blog site: :eek:

Monday, April 05, 2004
Known Facts About Sex Offenders
¶ 3:50 PM
Yesterday a friend told me that I was an exception to the rule when it comes to his "experience with sex offenders." He meant it as a complimentary comment, implying that most sex offenders only think about re-offending. It was not the first time I have been offended by comments that were meant well. The truth is that I am not an exception, I am the rule! Most sex offenders are just like me, not at all concerned about re-offending since the idea is not even in the realm of possibilities to them. They are hard working responsible law abiding citizens, and in fact on average slightly better adjusted than the average working class person. These are facts backed by numerous statistics, and yet most people are like my friend and believe that most sex offenders are deviants with only one thing on their mind. Even our city's police web site tries to straighten out this "myth" but to little avail since most people's "experience" with sex offenders seldom goes beyond the front page of the local paper.

"Sex Offenders" (though I only refer to myself here as a "sex offender" for convenience though I have explained before I do not consider myself a "sex offender" because I committed a sex crime any more than I consider myself a "breast feeder" because my mother fed me her milk when I was a baby) like me don't make it in the head lines because nobody wants to read about a sex offender who is going to school, working two jobs, and volunteering in the community, and staying as far away from trouble as possible. That just wouldn't sell papers, but fact is most sex offenders are doing exactly that!

Go figure.
Posted by: Joe

[Liz]

This guy is a Level Three sex offender. This is exactly the type of criminal we need to use these gps tracking devices for. After the first offense, LWOP, IMO.

What's even dumber, IMO, is the perp tore the picture of Shasta off the wall when he entered Dennys. Talk about bringing attention to oneself! :doh:

JMHO
fran


My opinion is that the tracking device should go around their necks ---- and cinched up tightly!

[SewingDeb]

Yeah, that's it. :o

This is from the deviat's blog site: :eek:

Monday, April 05, 2004
Known Facts About Sex Offenders
¶ 3:50 PM
Yesterday a friend told me that I was an exception to the rule when it comes to his "experience with sex offenders." He meant it as a complimentary comment, implying that most sex offenders only think about re-offending. It was not the first time I have been offended by comments that were meant well. The truth is that I am not an exception, I am the rule! Most sex offenders are just like me, not at all concerned about re-offending since the idea is not even in the realm of possibilities to them. They are hard working responsible law abiding citizens, and in fact on average slightly better adjusted than the average working class person. These are facts backed by numerous statistics, and yet most people are like my friend and believe that most sex offenders are deviants with only one thing on their mind. Even our city's police web site tries to straighten out this "myth" but to little avail since most people's "experience" with sex offenders seldom goes beyond the front page of the local paper.

"Sex Offenders" (though I only refer to myself here as a "sex offender" for convenience though I have explained before I do not consider myself a "sex offender" because I committed a sex crime any more than I consider myself a "breast feeder" because my mother fed me her milk when I was a baby) like me don't make it in the head lines because nobody wants to read about a sex offender who is going to school, working two jobs, and volunteering in the community, and staying as far away from trouble as possible. That just wouldn't sell papers, but fact is most sex offenders are doing exactly that!

Go figure.
Posted by: Joe

What's the URL for that? Did anyone take note of the URL for the website he owns and operates (or this from his website?)?

[MaryBelle]

What's the URL for that? Did anyone take note of the URL for the website he owns and operates (or this from his website?)?

Deb, here is the URL but you need to right click on the different blogs and find the cache on Google. The site has been yanked down. There is some really SICK stuff on this guy's site! It makes you feel sick just reading it.

By the way, make sure your virus protection is up to date - I picked up a trojan on the site.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:SJRBKVzFQ7YJ:www.fifthnail.com/blog/2004_08_22_fifthnail_archive.php+%22www.fifthnail. com/blog/2004_08_22_fifthnail_archive.php%22&hl=en

Here's another quote from his blogg:

"I am now 99.99 percent sure I will move to a different state as soon as I graduate and can find a job <b>in a state where I'm not required to register</b>.
Posted by: Joe"

He also has a story there that he says he wrote ... about incest!

[fran]

This guy is full of cra#!! Level three sex offender is not going to rehabilitate.

Good grief! When he was just 16, the very day he broke into someone's home and stole guns, he then proceeded to rape another boy at gun point that very same night!

This guys has re-offended and re-offended. He should NOT have been out on bond, IMO. His rap sheet is sex offense after sex offense. He should have been in JAIL!! Period!!

JMHO
fran

PS. It's interesting that he's trying to give an alibi for when 'beaner' disappeared. Why would that be?.....fran

[MaryBelle]

Just so it is preserved here, this link will go to his blog site in cache;

Blogging The Fifth Nail
The daily thoughts and activities of a 'Level 3 Sex Offender'.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Zkt_C9ozUvwJ:www.fifthnail.com/blog/2004_02_29_fifthnail_archive.php+site:www.fifthnai l.com&hl=en

Again, check your virus protection first.

[mysteriew]

JMHO
fran

PS. It's interesting that he's trying to give an alibi for when 'beaner' disappeared. Why would that be?.....fran

Fran please explain

[Rle7]

Duncan's address in Fargo was in an older neighborhood where a number of North Dakota State University students live. He enrolled at the university in 2000, majoring in computer science, and made the dean's list in fall 2000 and spring 2001.

More than 300 people attended a community notification meeting for Duncan after his move to Fargo.

Kerstin Haugen, who lives in an apartment building next door, said she had not seen him for several months. Police stopped by looking for him, she said.

"He seemed normal," Haugen said. She said she was not aware that he was a registered sex offender when she first moved in, but found out later from neighbors. She said he kept to himself.

Ruziska said police were doing quarterly checks on Duncan. "The call from Idaho was a surprise to us," Ruziska said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050702/ap_on_re_us/idaho_missing_children_11

Normal, huh? Instead of community meetings, LE should never have let this guy out on bond if he was that much of a concern!

[Juliana]

Fran please explain


See post #138 on the Shasta Groene Has Been Found Alive thread in this forum. Sorry, I don't know how to quote or link other threads.

[mysteriew]

PS. It's interesting that he's trying to give an alibi for when 'beaner' disappeared. Why would that be?.....fran

Fran the reason I am asking is a kind of wild theory. This could be just a paranoia thing where he thinks he has to establish an alibi for his whereabouts anytime a child sex offense occurs. But I also had a thought. This could be the guys way of recording his attacks, but in a way that he couldn't be held accountable for. I read one where he checked the police logs and saw where a boy was missing. He mentioned this in relation to an encounter with a police officer in which he felt the officer was watching him. Officer did not confront him. In a later post he mentioned that there had been nothing in the news about the boy being missing, so he assumed the boy made it back home again.
I don't know of anyplace where they make police logs public.

[mysteriew]

See post #138 on the Shasta Groene Has Been Found Alive thread in this forum. Sorry, I don't know how to quote or link other threads.

Great thanks.

[richandfamous]

The Fifth Nail by Mahmud Kianush (http://www.artarena.force9.co.uk/poet.htm)

Well, isn't this **stard poetic....geesh

[less0305]

Here's another quote from his blogg:

"I am now 99.99 percent sure I will move to a different state as soon as I graduate and can find a job <b>in a state where I'm not required to register</b>.
Posted by: Joe"

He also has a story there that he says he wrote ... about incest!

In an earlier blog he spoke of having been raped himself. I'm wondering if this story is written based upon a true occurrance in his life. Wonder what was in this man's childhood....possible sexual abuse by his father? Not that that excuses him of anything, but I'm just wondering if he has some background of sexual abuse as a child himself.

[richandfamous]

"Sometimes I think the lonely child,

Lost in fury and despair,

Must be searching,

searching for me;"

From ( A Section of the book: "The Fifth and The Last Nail" )

by Mahmud Kianush

http://www.artarena.force9.co.uk/tola.htm#A_Child_Is_A_Poem

looks like he fancies himself a "Wayward Kite" and children are searching for him. good gawd!

[richandfamous]

I wonder who made bail for him (his mother?) and what judge set bail.....

it's kind of like..........who do you blame more, the snake (who we know is going to act like a snake) or the person who puts the snake in the playpen with the baby????

I'm more than pissed!

All predators should be LWOP! or dead!

[North Idaho native]

I am so angry that I could just spit nails! Why wasn't this guy locked up for life! When is something going to be done to stop these monsters from wandering around free to do this over and over?!

I pray that Dylan is alive but I fear Shasta meant that he was left at "the house" dead since she also said her brother was in Heaven. Have the police even found "the house?" I understand the Denny's was located right next to an interstate highway so there is no telling how far they had driven before stopping at Denny's at 2:30 a.m.

So sad.
"The house" Obviously he's staying with someone locally............and that someone presumably would also have to be involved.........right?

[caryatid]

"The house" Obviously he's staying with someone locally............and that someone presumably would also have to be involved.........right?
Maybe he was just passing through. It seems unlikely, to me, that he has been in Coeur D'Alene all this time, and gone un-noticed. It does seem very odd that he should go to a Denny's at that hour, unless on the road.

[North Idaho native]

it's kind of like..........who do you blame more, the snake (who we know is going to act like a snake) or the person who puts the snake in the playpen with the baby????

Good point.........

[North Idaho native]

Maybe he was just passing through. It seems unlikely, to me, that he has been in Coeur D'Alene all this time, and gone un-noticed. It does seem very odd that he should go to a Denny's at that hour, unless on the road.
True...........but why would he come back? Do you think it's the old thing about criminals always returning to the crime scene?

[Liz]

Native, is it true this Denny's is a mere 2 miles from the Groene/McKenzie house?

[North Idaho native]

Native, is it true this Denny's is a mere 2 miles from the Groene/McKenzie house?
It is close to Denny's, but not quite that close.......It's more like 8-10 miles, close nontheless.

[Cowgirl]

In an earlier blog he spoke of having been raped himself. I'm wondering if this story is written based upon a true occurrance in his life. Wonder what was in this man's childhood....possible sexual abuse by his father? Not that that excuses him of anything, but I'm just wondering if he has some background of sexual abuse as a child himself.As someone who could not care less how someone like this became a predator, I do have a lot of concern about the fact that we lock them up for X amount of years and then let them out, thinking that registering as a sex offender is going to actually prevent further crimes when there is no cure for what he does. Even if he got some kind of head shrinking in the 17 of the 20 years he was in prison, they already know there is no cure for pedophiles. So why is society content with just letting them go on the "honor system" until they do something even worse?

[caryatid]

True...........but why would he come back? Do you think it's the old thing about criminals always returning to the crime scene?
I wonder if he was on his way to, or returning from Tacoma.

Are there any states where he would not be required to register as a SO?

[North Idaho native]

I wonder if he was on his way to, or returning from Tacoma.

Are there any states where he would not be required to register as a SO?
I may be wrong on this, but I don't think sex offenders have to register in Idaho...

[Wayne]

I may be wrong on this, but I don't think sex offenders have to register in Idaho...
Sex offenders must register in Idaho...
http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/sex_offender/

[North Idaho native]

Sex offenders must register in Idaho...
http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/sex_offender/
Thank you , Wayne..........

[mysteriew]

I thought that sex offenders had to register in all states now.

[indigomood]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004
I Remember Now...
¶ 2:53 PM
I dreamed last night about being in prison again. This time it was very realistic, and coherent (the worst kind, because I really believe I am in prison again). What was really interesting about this dream though was when another inmate asked me why I was there I told him, "To remember." And while I did not realize I was dreaming when I said it, I did somehow understand that that was the true reason for my being there. It didn't make it any less pleasant.

I remembered the devastating feeling of being powerless while I was incarcerated. That was the worst feeling, and to this day is the worst feeling I have ever felt. It is the same feeling a victim feels, except it permeates your existence day in and day out, for months, and years. That is why I know well why it is wrong to inflict ones will on another. Crime, in this sense (inflicting your will on another person), is a horrendous tragedy, and is terribly wrong. Sending someone to prison as punishment is wrong in the exact same sense and for the exact same reason. Revenge (call it punishment if you like) is not the answer, it only propagates the problem, and justifies the criminals behavior. We know prison does not deter criminal behavior at all (Studies show constantly that if you take a group of people who commit any given crime, send them to prison, then compare their recidivism rate to a similar group that did not go to prison, the group that did not go to prison always has significantly lower recidivism For example...).

A big part of the reason people sent to prison re-offend is because the need to take control back is overwhelming after they get out. And instead of giving them the chance to take power back, we put them on parole, and probation, essentially further inflicting the will of small minded community supervision officials over the x-convict. Another interesting statistic is that people who are released from prison without parole or probation recidivate less than those on parole or probation. The excuse for this fact is that the ones on parole and probation are just more likely to get caught, but they both commit more crimes at the same rate. Attempts to confirm this rational however have consistently failed.

And I think education, which has been shown consistently to dramatically reduce recidivism, works by giving the x-convict the ability to take control back of their lives without crime, which without education is the only thing they know.
Posted by: Joe

[Liz]

I thought that sex offenders had to register in all states now.


I think that's correct, mysteriew.

[mysteriew]

indigo I had to go off that site. On that same page is a statement about an encounter with an LE officer where the officer looked at him too long. And also an entry about that encounter possibly being related to the disappearce of a 5 yo boy, that he learned about from reading the police logs. Could you post those?

[Liz]

Can someone please post a link to the site?

Still waiting on the press conference to begin. They're 15 minutes late, so far. Maybe they have more developing info.

[mysteriew]

Can someone please post a link to the site?

Still waiting on the press conference to begin. They're 15 minutes late, so far. Maybe they have more developing info.

Liz here is one link to the blog:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040222060914/www.fifthnail.com/blog/

[indigomood]

indigo I had to go off that site. On that same page is a statement about an encounter with an LE officer where the officer looked at him too long. And also an entry about that encounter possibly being related to the disappearce of a 5 yo boy, that he learned about from reading the police logs. Could you post those?
sorry, took me a while to find part of it... I'll keep looking...

Wednesday, February 11, 2004

¶ 12:18 PM
I checked the police dispatch logs this morning and discovered that a five year old boy was reported missing a few blocks away from where I live just a couple of hours before my encounter with the police car on Sunday. I have no way of knowing if the two incidents were related. But, I suspect they were.
The boy must have turned up because the incident did not make it in the news.
Posted by: Joe

Close Encounters of the First Kind
¶ 4:42 PM
About an hour or so ago I was coming home in my car after driving to a few auto parts stores looking for a nozzle for my windshield wiper fluid dispenser (I discovered mine were broke this morning after cleaning the snow off my car). There was a City Police car pulling out of the alley that leads where I live. He stopped to let me drive past, but I stopped and turned on my turn signal to let him know he was in my way. I watched the cop in the car very closely, he hesitated when he saw I was trying to turn into the alley that he was pulling out of, he did half a double take (like he was going to do a double take then realized he shouldn’t, like he might give himself away) Then his shoulders moved like he was going to reach for something, then he froze, thought for a second or two to decide what to do, and then finally proceeded out of the alley to let me through. But, he only pulled just out of the alley and parked on the side of the street next to the alley. After I parked and got out of my car, I could see the front of his car still parked by the alley entrance. About five minutes later when I checked again, it was gone.
Maybe he was, or maybe he wasn’t checking up on me. Maybe it was, or maybe it wasn’t part of some field investigation. Maybe I am, maybe I’m not a suspect, again. But all maybes aside, I was afraid.
Every time something like this happens it reminds me that I am a mere citizen’s complaint away from going back to jail at anytime. No matter how hard I try to get away from the mistakes I made when I was 16, I can’t. Our society will never forgive me; more toward its own ill, than mine.
I just realized this Friday that a co-worker who I have been working closely with for the last two years, despises me. I’m not sure why, but again, I suspect it is related to my status as a "Sex Offender." After pondering on it for a while I decided it is he who is suffering, not me. He is the one with animosity in his heart; he is the one keeping those corrosive emotions inside. He is the one who will be eaten up inside by them.
Posted by: Joe

[Liz]

Liz here is one link to the blog:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040222060914/www.fifthnail.com/blog/


Thanks, Mysteriew.

Krem reported that Fargo police are currently at the perp's house in Fargo. This is a house --- not an apartment. They have crime scene tape around it.

I am sickened about repeated reports about Dylan, but I am still not giving up hope or prayers that he will be found alive.

[mysteriew]

Indigo, that is it, Thank You!.

[indigomood]

Indigo, that is it, Thank You!.
you're welcome... ;)

[Liz]

Here is a link to a current pic of the slimeball predator:

http://www.co.kootenai.id.us/departments/sheriff/

IF it doesn't go to the pic, click on press release.

[mysteriew]

He is being booked at the Kootenai County Jail on Kidnapping and Fugitive charges.

Quote from Liz's link. Why kidnapping and fugitive charges, but not murder charges?

[mindi77]

http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/

they last entry here is may 13th 2005

[concernedperson]

Quote from Liz's link. Why kidnapping and fugitive charges, but not murder charges?

Because that can be proved readily but not murder, at this point.

[Cowgirl]

http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/

they last entry here is may 13th 2005Thanks for posting the link. What a sicko. Philosophising about why he is a criminal, blaming society, the criminal justice system, God's demons, whatever ... anyone or anything but himself. He is more sensitive than most, more caring. My fat fanny, he is. He is a giant self-centered, self-pitying child molester who always had the urges and that is why the website, so he could rationalize in writing. All about him, poor tortured soul. Reminds me of Michael Jackson, really.

I notice near the end he starts to doubt his own faith. And here I always thought idiots like this would be atheists who really didn't believe anything. I am glad to hear that he believes in God, since I do not. Perhaps it is a little bit of what he has coming to fear hellfire.

I hope they at least find out if he had accomplices before he kills himself.

[Liz]

Quote from Liz's link. Why kidnapping and fugitive charges, but not murder charges?


For all we know, he may not be the murderer. He may have got Shasta through some other means. It has yet to be determined.

BTW, I just gave "JED" an upgrade, on this title from child molestor to sexual predator. There was a post in which Close_enough said something that made me pause and think my thread title was way too lenient.

I almost want to remove his name from the thread. I hate giving that beast more name recognition than he is already receiving! He's obviously quite fond of himself and his accomplishments.

[mysteriew]

For all we know, he may not be the murderer. He may have got Shasta through some other means. It has yet to be determined.

BTW, I just gave "JED" an upgrade, on this title from child molestor to sexual predator. There was a post in which Close_enough said something that made me pause and think my thread title was way too lenient.

I almost want to remove his name from the thread. I hate giving that beast more name recognition than he is already receiving! He's obviously quite fond of himself and his accomplishments.

Let's just call him JED then. Although I personally like the name pond scum.

[North Idaho native]

I'm back..............

One thing that I keep thinking about, especially after reading the new postings..."JED" keeps talking about how he is constantly a victim, that he is always a suspect for missing children, etc. and that society should give him a break. Bear with me here for a second..............if a husband cheats on his wife once, she is always going to be suspicious of him, for years to come. If the wife constantly accuses her husband of cheating on her and she is always suspicious of him, even though he hasn't cheated on her since, eventually the husband might think, oh well, she thinks I'm cheating anyway, why not?

I wonder if "JED" finally thought oh well, LE thinks I'm going to do it anyway...I may as well do it...........???

[North Idaho native]

[QUOTE=Liz]For all we know, he may not be the murderer. He may have got Shasta through some other means. It has yet to be determined.

I agree, Liz. If he was the murderer, than presumably the crime would have been random..........it just doesn't seem to have the characteristics of a random crime, does it? I'm just not convinced that he is the murderer..........

[lisafremont]

I am so angry that I could just spit nails! Why wasn't this guy locked up for life! When is something going to be done to stop these monsters from wandering around free to do this over and over?!

Oh, man! I totally agree! WHY oh why does our society value the "rights" of predators over the rights of innocent people, vulnerable children most of all, to live free of being preyed upon by these sadistic monsters.

I say: molest a child and get locked up FOREVER. End of story.

[concernedperson]

Oh, man! I totally agree! WHY oh why does our society value the "rights" of predators over the rights of innocent people, vulnerable children most of all, to live free of being preyed upon by these sadistic monsters.

I say: molest a child and get locked up FOREVER. End of story.

I agree. It is a continual predatory reminder.....they don't stop they just move.

[Shazzie]

Oh, man! I totally agree! WHY oh why does our society value the "rights" of predators over the rights of innocent people, vulnerable children most of all, to live free of being preyed upon by these sadistic monsters.

I say: molest a child and get locked up FOREVER. End of story.
I am in complete agreement. Rights, schmights. What about the rights of their victims, for crying out loud?

Some people are so dangerous that allowing them to move freely in society is a violation of the rights of those to whom they are a constant threat. So WHY do the rights of those animals always come ahead of everyone else's? That is totally messed up! :mad: :furious: :banghead:

[Cowgirl]

[QUOTE=Liz]For all we know, he may not be the murderer. He may have got Shasta through some other means. It has yet to be determined.

I agree, Liz. If he was the murderer, than presumably the crime would have been random..........it just doesn't seem to have the characteristics of a random crime, does it? I'm just not convinced that he is the murderer..........Even though his blog does seem to be an omen of violence to come, they don't seem to have found any firearms and how else would a skinny guy like that get a group of people tied up so that he could beat their brains out without having some sort of big gun? I wonder where they were right before they went to Denny's? They could have been traveling, but it is awfully coincidental that they would stop right there, isn't it? Seems like they would have to have some local lair.

See, this is when the cops should be beating the daylights out of the perp. That little boy may have been at some location nearby and if he was, by now whoever else was there has taken him and left.

[Brie]

My opinion is that the tracking device should go around their necks ---- and cinched up tightly!I can think of other places to put it... and also cinch tighly!!! :twocents:

[Cowgirl]

I'm back..............

One thing that I keep thinking about, especially after reading the new postings..."JED" keeps talking about how he is constantly a victim, that he is always a suspect for missing children, etc. and that society should give him a break. Bear with me here for a second..............if a husband cheats on his wife once, she is always going to be suspicious of him, for years to come. If the wife constantly accuses her husband of cheating on her and she is always suspicious of him, even though he hasn't cheated on her since, eventually the husband might think, oh well, she thinks I'm cheating anyway, why not?

I wonder if "JED" finally thought oh well, LE thinks I'm going to do it anyway...I may as well do it...........???Just as with the cheating husband, if you commit a crime then it is always going to be expected that you might do it again. When a husband cheats and then rationalizes that he may as well do it again since he is already being accused of it, then it is time for a divorce. It is just an excuse to cheat. Just like this scumbag. His blog was all about blaming society for his perversions. Gimme a break.

If someone commits a transgression, he should be willing to do anything and everything to prove to society (or the wife, in the cheater's case) that he is hiding nothing, doing nothing, and not even wanting to. If he is angry that he is being suspected, he is not sorry for what he did and he is not really taking responsibility for what he did.

[Liz]

I can think of other places to put it... and also cinch tighly!!! :twocents:


I don't think they make them that small, Brie.

I was thinking the neck becaused it is visible. IF this perp would have been wearing an ankle bracelet, who would have noticed? Only the cockroaches!

[North Idaho native]

Just as with the cheating husband, if you commit a crime then it is always going to be expected that you might do it again. When a husband cheats and then rationalizes that he may as well do it again since he is already being accused of it, then it is time for a divorce. It is just an excuse to cheat. Just like this scumbag. His blog was all about blaming society for his perversions. Gimme a break.

If someone commits a transgression, he should be willing to do anything and everything to prove to society (or the wife, in the cheater's case) that he is hiding nothing, doing nothing, and not even wanting to. If he is angry that he is being suspected, he is not sorry for what he did and he is not really taking responsibility for what he did.
Good point...........

[mysteriew]

Does anyone remember where Lutner was supposted to have visiting while LE was looking for him ? Wonder if there was a family connection between Lutner and Duncan?

[double checker]

America, America, land of the free ...pedophiles
Discusting that this man should be living free and not be in prison

[Cowgirl]

I can think of other places to put it... and also cinch tighly!!! :twocents:Oh, heavens, this is TMI, but they have another name for that...

[mysteriew]

Are there any people from Genealogy in here? I would like to find out if there is any family connection between Lutner and Duncan.

[Liz]

He's had her out camping. They are probably going to keep her overnight at the Coeur d'Alene Medical Center.

When the waitress would ask Shasta questions, Shasta would look at JED, as if to seek approval and then answer the question.

The locals are going to the medical center by the droves to leave gifts of love for Shasta. One lady had bought 'the softest blanket she'd ever felt' a few days ago and didn't know why she had. TOday she felt it was for Shasta and took it and dropped it off so that Shasta would have something brand new to snuggle in. Isn't that just such a touching story? Made me cry ...again.

[mysteriew]

He's had her out camping. They are probably going to keep her overnight at the Coeur d'Alene Medical Center.

When the waitress would ask Shasta questions, Shasta would look at JED, as if to seek approval and then answer the question.

The locals are going to the medical center by the droves to leave gifts of love for Shasta. One lady had bought 'the softest blanket she'd ever felt' a few days ago and didn't know why she had. TOday she felt it was for Shasta and took it and dropped it off so that Shasta would have something brand new to snuggle in. Isn't that just such a touching story? Made me cry ...again.

Me Too!!!

[Vet4Bush]

Friday May 13, 2005, the day the little demons were starting to take over, was also Commencement date at NDSU, the day he was supposed to graduate.

[mysteriew]

Do you know if he made it to his graduation?

[CaliKid]

What a sicko. More ruined lives so one of his kind can indulge is perversion and blame society.

[Sofia]

I am in complete agreement. Rights, schmights. What about the rights of their victims, for crying out loud?

Some people are so dangerous that allowing them to move freely in society is a violation of the rights of those to whom they are a constant threat. So WHY do the rights of those animals always come ahead of everyone else's? That is totally messed up! :mad: :furious: :banghead:
I agree. California's State Assembly "Committee on Public Safety" just killed a bill that would have prohibited sex offenders from living within a certain distance from schools, parks, etc. I am all for preserving people's rights, but not at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens who don't yet have the right to vote. If we're going to infringe on anyone's rights, it should be those who seek to harm our children. We need to tell our representatives at all levels that we've had enough of these predators.

[Rocky]

I agree. California's State Assembly "Committee on Public Safety" just killed a bill that would have prohibited sex offenders from living within a certain distance from schools, parks, etc. I am all for preserving people's rights, but not at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens who don't yet have the right to vote. If we're going to infringe on anyone's rights, it should be those who seek to harm our children. We need to tell our representatives at all levels that we've had enough of these predators.


California just bought 500 GPS tracking bracelets to go on sexual offenders, any time they get close to a school or park it sets off a warning at law enforcement so they can go pick them up...

They need a reason to arrest the offenders, is it fair our children be used as bait?

[CaliKid]

This year is shaping up like 2002 when Danielle and Samantha were murdered and Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped. What is it going to take to wake people up so enough pressure is put on legislators to change laws and protect our kids?

[Beyond Belief]

Where did the camping information come from?

[Wayne]

This year is shaping up like 2002 when Danielle and Samantha were murdered and Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped. What is it going to take to wake people up so enough pressure is put on legislators to change laws and protect our kids?
The legislators have changed laws. But the perps are in prison under old weaker laws and must be released and reoffend to be caught again before the perp can be prosecuted under the new laws.

I agree that it appears like 2002 all over again.:mad: When Danielle, Samantha, Jennifer, and others were victims to sadistic pedophiles.

[Wayne]

Where did the camping information come from?
I had heard early Saturday reports on CNN that the two had been in national parks. Maybe the reporters saw maps of national parks in the vehicle Duncan had been driving?

[Beyond Belief]

I had heard early Saturday reports on CNN that the two had been in national parks. Maybe the reporters saw maps of national parks in the vehicle Duncan had been driving?
Thanks.

I think that blog tells all. He was lonesome and again mentions how the media uses the sex crimes. Noting jan. 2004 mention of media controls the country. Peterson case. Noting May 2005 BTK killer case in the media.
He decided to join in and is going to claim the demons did it.

[Beyond Belief]

I think he kept Shasta to keep himself company. The blog says over and over he is scared and lonesome. i don't like reading between the lines but that blog just says alot.

[Rle7]

Where did the camping information come from?
It was on KXLY-TV last night. Here's the video link:

http://kxly.com/player/player.asp?v=http://media.kxly.com/stories/video/2005JUN/SHASTAFOUND.ram

This is another poor quality video that froze on me once when I replayed it. It's over 16 minutes, but in the first 2 minutes they say "KXLY sources" said they had been camping to avoid capture. They don't state who those sources are.

[lisafremont]

... So WHY do the rights of those animals always come ahead of everyone else's? That is totally messed up!...

I have only one criticism of your post, Shaz. Please don't insult animals.

[Beyond Belief]

It was on KXLY-TV last night. Here's the video link:

http://kxly.com/player/player.asp?v=http://media.kxly.com/stories/video/2005JUN/SHASTAFOUND.ram

This is another poor quality video that froze on me once when I replayed it. It's over 16 minutes, but in the first 2 minutes they say "KXLY sources" said they had been camping to avoid capture. They don't state who those sources are.
Thanks. Sounds reasonable. Since the jeep was stolen. I guess he was communicating with nature. They'll never find Dylan, if thats where he was left. I bet this "pig' doesn't even know where he was.

[Beyond Belief]

I wonder if he was looking for a darn map in Marks truck.

[Cowgirl]

I had heard early Saturday reports on CNN that the two had been in national parks. Maybe the reporters saw maps of national parks in the vehicle Duncan had been driving?The key tag from the rental car was found discarded in the Bighorn Canyon park on the Montana/Wyoming border. That was before the murders though, so who knows where he has been since.

[JenMom]

My theory is that he molested & eventually murdered (perhaps even inadvertently) Dylan, since he appears to prefer boys...then kept Shasta around for company. :furious:

[newtv]

I agree. California's State Assembly "Committee on Public Safety" just killed a bill that would have prohibited sex offenders from living within a certain distance from schools, parks, etc. I am all for preserving people's rights, but not at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens who don't yet have the right to vote. If we're going to infringe on anyone's rights, it should be those who seek to harm our children. We need to tell our representatives at all levels that we've had enough of these predators.
sophia-I am for not giving these perverts any rights..they should have a large space in siberia and send them all there when they offend a second time-no one deserves a 3rd chance..

[newtv]

My theory is that he molested & eventually murdered (perhaps even inadvertently) Dylan, since he appears to prefer boys...then kept Shasta around for company. :furious:
I actually hope so, (not that dylan be dead), but that the little gurl was not part of the sexual stuff they do...(perverts)..I cant see why he would keep her around for company however? Not doubting you just asking myself the question.
Why keep a second child if u are capable of killing a child? It would make more sense to kill both.

[newtv]

sophia-I am for not giving these perverts any rights..they should have a large space in siberia and send them all there when they offend a second time-no one deserves a 3rd chance..actually just as I was writing this I thot, "do you think if there was a 2 strikes and u are out law for this that it would actually cause more murders? They might then be killing not to be caught.
I am now wondering if the way to save lives is to make an incentive not to kill the child-such as- if u kill a child in the process of a sexual crime=instant death penalty.
If you dont kill the child= no death penalty..(I am not saying this is the answer-just wondering if it might be smarter to make an incentive to these predators so they stop short of killing).

[Cowgirl]

I actually hope so, (not that dylan be dead), but that the little gurl was not part of the sexual stuff they do...(perverts)..I cant see why he would keep her around for company however? Not doubting you just asking myself the question.
Why keep a second child if u are capable of killing a child? It would make more sense to kill both.I tend to agree with you. It gives me hope that maybe Dylan is alive someplace. But at the same time, he could be with another pervert. There are fates worse than death in this world.

[Rle7]

In 1993 a psychologist said Duncan showed no obvious signs of emotional or thought disorders or suicidal or homicidal tendencies. Duncan was paroled in September 1994…

In 1999 prison officials cited him for fighting in prison. The same year a psychologist rated the risk of him repeating his crime or being violent as medium.

http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt (http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt)
Where do they find these quacks? He's diagnosed as a schizophrenic with sexual sadistic tendencies and then he's practically cured. Go figure!

[newtv]

I tend to agree with you. It gives me hope that maybe Dylan is alive someplace. But at the same time, he could be with another pervert. There are fates worse than death in this world.
good point CG..this case and the one with the 4 year old killed by so called "grandmother" just piss me off-what was this woman thinking to kill a child and then fake it.
But this case is so complex-parents murdered-children missing-one child found..god forbid.
How are you btw..nice to talk to u.

[newtv]

In 1993 a psychologist said Duncan showed no obvious signs of emotional or thought disorders or suicidal or homicidal tendencies. Duncan was paroled in September 1994…

In 1999 prison officials cited him for fighting in prison. The same year a psychologist rated the risk of him repeating his crime or being violent as medium.

http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt (http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt)
Where do they find these quacks? He's diagnosed as a schizophrenic with sexual sadistic tendencies and then he's practically cured. Go figure!
I agree-a psychologist can be talked into anything-however, what are they letting a guy out at all if he is a medium risk pervert..medium to me is at least 50 percent chance..thats just not OK..lock them up unless u can say they wont reoffend..and we all know that cant be said..they should be on their own prison site in my opinion-then we know everyone in there is a pervert..and the whole world knows it too

[close_enough]

I think he kept Shasta to keep himself company. The blog says over and over he is scared and lonesome. i don't like reading between the lines but that blog just says alot.

that's what i'm starting to think...

[close_enough]

I had heard early Saturday reports on CNN that the two had been in national parks. Maybe the reporters saw maps of national parks in the vehicle Duncan had been driving?

yes, i heard a bit about them possibly camping out, the last 6 weeks...LE said they confiscated the red jeep, for evidence...it makes sense that there might be maps of some kind, inside that vehicle...

[Cowgirl]

sophia-I am for not giving these perverts any rights..they should have a large space in siberia and send them all there when they offend a second time-no one deserves a 3rd chance..Heheh, unless they write pop tunes, right? He has had more than three strikes. Oh, but then everyone wants his money...I forgot.

How are you doing?

[Floh]

He's had her out camping. They are probably going to keep her overnight at the Coeur d'Alene Medical Center.

When the waitress would ask Shasta questions, Shasta would look at JED, as if to seek approval and then answer the question.

The locals are going to the medical center by the droves to leave gifts of love for Shasta. One lady had bought 'the softest blanket she'd ever felt' a few days ago and didn't know why she had. TOday she felt it was for Shasta and took it and dropped it off so that Shasta would have something brand new to snuggle in. Isn't that just such a touching story? Made me cry ...again.

Liz, your post made me cry: "the softest blanket she'd ever felt".

and she gave it to Shasta.

how extremely touching is that?

as a European, i'm hard-wired against the Death Penalty, but with paedophiles, i make an exception.

[Beyond Belief]

He's had her out camping. They are probably going to keep her overnight at the Coeur d'Alene Medical Center.

When the waitress would ask Shasta questions, Shasta would look at JED, as if to seek approval and then answer the question.

The locals are going to the medical center by the droves to leave gifts of love for Shasta. One lady had bought 'the softest blanket she'd ever felt' a few days ago and didn't know why she had. TOday she felt it was for Shasta and took it and dropped it off so that Shasta would have something brand new to snuggle in. Isn't that just such a touching story? Made me cry ...again.
that exchange of looks between Shasta and her captor maybe significant that they have been around people or in public other times. Shasta had it down pat, as to how she was to act.

[JenMom]

I actually hope so, (not that dylan be dead), but that the little gurl was not part of the sexual stuff they do...(perverts)..I cant see why he would keep her around for company however? Not doubting you just asking myself the question.
Why keep a second child if u are capable of killing a child? It would make more sense to kill both.Unless it all plays into the whole power thing. Her role is to provide him some company..and give him someone to control.

Also, his blog reveals a personality that wants to feel like he is reformed and "doing good." So, by not abusing her...taking care of her...he is not such a bad guy.

Incomprehensible to those of us who are sane and not MONSTERS like him...but it is plausable that he rationalized this is his sicko mind.

[less0305]

My theory is that he molested & eventually murdered (perhaps even inadvertently) Dylan, since he appears to prefer boys...then kept Shasta around for company. :furious:


My guess is he used Shasta for pictures or videos......he may not be "into" girls, but there certainly are others who are and willing to pay big bucks for photos and videos. I think he used her to make his living for the last six weeks.

[close_enough]

My guess is he used Shasta for pictures or videos......he may not be "into" girls, but there certainly are others who are and willing to pay big bucks for photos and videos. I think he used her to make his living for the last six weeks.

you know, as sick as that sounds, i thought the same thing.... :(

there's another thread about a "friend" of Duncan's, named Big Al..possibly the same guy that's mentioned on the thread, Allen Barlow (?)...anyway, he molested little girls for almost 30 yrs...from what i gather he's out of prison now....Duncan wouldn't have had much "use" for Shasta, but others would have....(sorry if i'm making anyone sick with this, but what Less posted could very well be the case)

[kpass]

That one news clip they show of Duncan walking into a bldg. wearing a brown jacket with another man, lawyer? He looks directly into the camera. I certainly hope this is not when he was brought into custody, he is not wearing handcuffs!!! Does anyone know if this is old footage? Thanks.

[Cowgirl]

That one news clip they show of Duncan walking into a bldg. wearing a brown jacket with another man, lawyer? He looks directly into the camera. I certainly hope this is not when he was brought into custody, he is not wearing handcuffs!!! Does anyone know if this is old footage? Thanks.It is definitely older footage because they were showing it right after they found her and he would not be loose like that since his arrest. Since he was taken into custody by police, I am sure he has not been out of cuffs or even outside of a cell for one moment and has not even been assigned an attorney yet. That is probably him either attending his court case in Fargo on April 15th or something earlier.

[kpass]

Thanks Cowgirl.

[LNL]

It is definitely older footage because they were showing it right after they found her and he would not be loose like that since his arrest. Since he was taken into custody by police, I am sure he has not been out of cuffs or even outside of a cell for one moment and has not even been assigned an attorney yet. That is probably him either attending his court case in Fargo on April 15th or something earlier.
Yep, I think they said yesterday when they first started showing that clip that it was from his hearing in Fargo this spring. That is his attorney.

[Cowgirl]

you know, as sick as that sounds, i thought the same thing.... :(

there's another thread about a "friend" of Duncan's, named Big Al..possibly the same guy that's mentioned on the thread, Allen Barlow (?)...anyway, he molested little girls for almost 30 yrs...from what i gather he's out of prison now....Duncan wouldn't have had much "use" for Shasta, but others would have....(sorry if i'm making anyone sick with this, but what Less posted could very well be the case)Sickening, yes, but it may explain where he was taking her. You just never know. It may be why she is still alive too.

[Beyond Belief]

Since he was wanted, I figured he wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb if he had a child or children with him. You know just dear old dad out with the kids, not the real loney crazy guy.

[concernedperson]

you know, as sick as that sounds, i thought the same thing.... :(

there's another thread about a "friend" of Duncan's, named Big Al..possibly the same guy that's mentioned on the thread, Allen Barlow (?)...anyway, he molested little girls for almost 30 yrs...from what i gather he's out of prison now....Duncan wouldn't have had much "use" for Shasta, but others would have....(sorry if i'm making anyone sick with this, but what Less posted could very well be the case)

I have been thinking the same thing. I see him keeping Shasta alive for this type of purpose. I am just glad she is alive and I am sure she will have the best help available. I also think she is a survivor and will respond to help given to her. Bless her sweet little heart and may only good things happen to her for the rest of her life.

[Cowgirl]

Since he was wanted, I figured he wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb if he had a child or children with him. You know just dear old dad out with the kids, not the real loney crazy guy.But her picture was all over the place. That is what really does not make sense. He was a fugitive and bail jumper, but his picture was probably only available to the cops and maybe in the post office since all they had him on was jumping bond on a molestation charge and LE had no idea he was connected to these murders or anything else. Even the auto theft was a failure to return a rental vehicle which is a whole lot less serious than breaking into a car and stealing it.

He must have been keeping her alive for some reason and I doubt it was just because he lost his taste for murder -- he could have just left her someplace if that were the situation. He must have been intending to take her to someone and sell her or trade her. Gad, isn't that awful. She may not have seen what he did to her family back in Coeur D'Alene or how he murdered her brother Dylan but if he were intending to take her to someone else, he may have told her some story about that -- like let's take a trip to go see my friend Big Al. It would seem awfully dangerous for him to be letting her live if she saw him murder anyone. But we shall see, I guess.

[Tom'sGirl]

But her picture was all over the place. That is what really does not make sense. He was a fugitive and bail jumper, but his picture was probably only available to the cops and maybe in the post office since all they had him on was jumping bond on a molestation charge and LE had no idea he was connected to these murders or anything else. Even the auto theft was a failure to return a rental vehicle which is a whole lot less serious than breaking into a car and stealing it.

He must have been keeping her alive for some reason and I doubt it was just because he lost his taste for murder -- he could have just left her someplace if that were the situation. He must have been intending to take her to someone and sell her or trade her. Gad, isn't that awful. She may not have seen what he did to her family back in Coeur D'Alene or how he murdered her brother Dylan but if he were intending to take her to someone else, he may have told her some story about that -- like let's take a trip to go see my friend Big Al. It would seem awfully dangerous for him to be letting her live if she saw him murder anyone. But we shall see, I guess.
I'm inclined to go with your line of thinking Cowgirl.

She may have never even been in the home when the murders took place, and if the remains are Dylans she may have not knowledge of his murder either.

[Cowgirl]

I'm inclined to go with your line of thinking Cowgirl.

She may have never even been in the home when the murders took place, and if the remains are Dylans she may have not knowledge of his murder either.The fact that she said that her brother was in heaven may be exactly what Duncan told her...

[Tom'sGirl]

The fact that she said that her brother was in heaven may be exactly what Duncan told her...
Exactly Cowgirl !

[Beyond Belief]

But her picture was all over the place. That is what really does not make sense. He was a fugitive and bail jumper, but his picture was probably only available to the cops and maybe in the post office since all they had him on was jumping bond on a molestation charge and LE had no idea he was connected to these murders or anything else. Even the auto theft was a failure to return a rental vehicle which is a whole lot less serious than breaking into a car and stealing it.

He must have been keeping her alive for some reason and I doubt it was just because he lost his taste for murder -- he could have just left her someplace if that were the situation. He must have been intending to take her to someone and sell her or trade her. Gad, isn't that awful. She may not have seen what he did to her family back in Coeur D'Alene or how he murdered her brother Dylan but if he were intending to take her to someone else, he may have told her some story about that -- like let's take a trip to go see my friend Big Al. It would seem awfully dangerous for him to be letting her live if she saw him murder anyone. But we shall see, I guess.
I wonder just what he saw or heard the last six weeks. If he was camping, probably not much unless there was alot on the radio.
I had that picture posted on the counter at my store, I can't tell you how many little girls look like that picture. That super special smile separated her from alot of them.

[Tom'sGirl]

I wonder just what he saw or heard the last six weeks. If he was camping, probably not much unless there was alot on the radio.
I had that picture posted on the counter at my store, I can't tell you how many little girls look like that picture. That super special smile separated her from alot of them.IMO he didn't lack for information on the case as he probably bought newspapers during that time, watched T.V. where he could, and like you mentioned the radio.

With Duncan being a computer geek, for all we know he may have even had a laptop with him, or even been logging his ventures.

[Beyond Belief]

IMO he didn't lack for information on the case as he probably bought newspapers during that time, watched T.V. where he could, and like you mentioned the radio.

With Duncan being a computer geek, for all we know he may have even had a laptop with him, or even been logging his ventures.
I hope he had a laptop and made notes on everything. Maybe he doesn't need to talk. His laptop can do it for him.

[Beyond Belief]

A news break just said they found human remains someplace in Wyoming. Not saying anything about age or whose.
COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (CNN) -- Investigators searching for a 9-year-old Idaho boy found what they believe are human remains at a location in western Montana, the Kootenai County sheriff said Monday.

In a brief statement, Sheriff Rocky Watson told reporters the remains were being collected and would be sent to the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, for identification.

[close_enough]

i don't know if this has been posted already, or not, but it's extremely interesting reading about Joseph Duncan...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

[Cowgirl]

I wonder just what he saw or heard the last six weeks. If he was camping, probably not much unless there was alot on the radio.
I had that picture posted on the counter at my store, I can't tell you how many little girls look like that picture. That super special smile separated her from alot of them.I think he had a laptop with him because if he went back to his home at all since April 15th when he rented that vehicle, it would only be a short trip to maybe get something and leave, not to stay there. He was a wanted man by 4/22 for not reporting and that Jeep was overdue by then too, though not "hot" yet. But this guy is totally familiar with the cops, so he would know better than to spend any time around the legal address he had in Fargo. And based on the idea that he was posting to his blog up to May 13th when he showed to be losing control on the blog, he either went to a library or internet cafe or had a laptop to use. It may be that his home computer was a laptop, of course, and he just took it with him. I just don't think he would go back there for anything but an errand after he was wanted.

Now, once the murders happened, he probably would not post on that blog any more, but he could have been reading the news online. He was a computer geek so he knew what he could do safely and what he could not do. But he is also about half nuts...who knows?

[Beyond Belief]

i don't know if this has been posted already, or not, but it's extremely interesting reading about Joseph Duncan...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

What a find! You;) are so good!

[Tom'sGirl]

i don't know if this has been posted already, or not, but it's extremely interesting reading about Joseph Duncan...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/
Holy crap, thanks for this disturbing, but informative link close

[Cowgirl]

i don't know if this has been posted already, or not, but it's extremely interesting reading about Joseph Duncan...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/
Wow, fascinating, close enough, thanks. He is evil personified.

[close_enough]

you're welcome...a friend sent it to me, via email....

from what i read, i really think there is a possibility that Duncan had something to do w/Leanna "Beaner" Warren's disappearance, also....

& the mention of Duncan using the blog as an "alibi" would make sense also....he mentions the disappearance of Leanna Warren in his blog, then goes on to post where he was, & what he was doing that day...very creepy stuff...

[Shazzie]

In 1993 a psychologist said Duncan showed no obvious signs of emotional or thought disorders or suicidal or homicidal tendencies. Duncan was paroled in September 1994…

In 1999 prison officials cited him for fighting in prison. The same year a psychologist rated the risk of him repeating his crime or being violent as medium.

http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt (http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt)
Where do they find these quacks? He's diagnosed as a schizophrenic with sexual sadistic tendencies and then he's practically cured. Go figure!I agree with your basic sentiments; the idea of letting this guy out into society is completely outrageous and never should have happened.

Just one correction, though: the article quoted says he was diagonosed a "passive-aggressive with schizoid features and sexual sadism." NOT a schizophrenic. Despite the similarity of the two words, schizoid and schizophrenic mean very different things. One is a personality disorder, the other is a psychotic condition.

Schizoid Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe02.html

Schizophrenia
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-ps01.html

Not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to set the record straight, since probably not everyone will go to the original link and note the difference in wording. :)

[Shazzie]

I have only one criticism of your post, Shaz. Please don't insult animals.
Point taken. :)

We need a new noun, I guess! How about "creatures"? Or "vermin"? I used that in another post.

Maybe I should stick with "scum" and/or "slime"--I've used both of those before, too.

Of course, there's one term that is definitely out: "human"!

[kpass]

i don't know if this has been posted already, or not, but it's extremely interesting reading about Joseph Duncan...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

What the hell was that??? He has to be on some very serious drugs! Geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzeeeeeee Thank the Lord he's behind bars :behindbar & Hopefully he'll get the DP...Now, I hope they find Big Al!

[Verity]

This may or may not be of interest....I noticed that in the Fifth Nail blog of January 2004, he talks about re-registering KINKITCHEN.COM as a family website, so I checked the records.

He bought this on January 22nd 2004 using an email address of: jetd63@cableone.net (jetd63@cableone.net and) and a physical address in Fargo, North Dakota, specifically an apartment in 7th St.

Prior to that, in October 2001, he had also bought JOSEPHDUNCAN.COM, at that time giving a Texas Addess, specifically a Suite# in Tanglewide, Houston.

For more info, go to http://whois.godaddy.com and type in the domain name.

[CaliKid]

i don't know if this has been posted already, or not, but it's extremely interesting reading about Joseph Duncan...
Very, very disturbing. I, for one, think that the case of missing Leana is solved.

[SieSie]

....snipped....
statement he made in his weblog on May 11th, 2005 (http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/2005/05/demons-have-taken-over.html) -- less than a week before the triple murder of Shasta Groene's mom, Brenda, Brenda's boyfriend Mark McKenzie, and Shasta's older brother, Slade Groene. Duncan wrote:

"All those years I dreamed of getting out...And getting even. Instead, I got out and I got even, but did not get caught. So, I got even again, and again did not get caught. So, I figured, well, I got even twice (actually more, but that's here nor there), even if I'm the only one who knows, so now what?"

Duncan "got even" with society more than once, and did not get caught.
Source: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

Wow - I'm sure LE is trying to figure out if this scumbag had anything to do with Leanna Warner's disappearance. I pray for resolution for all the families with loved ones missing. Holding out hope for Dylan, as well.

Anyway, then I went to the link and read a little more, also dated may 11, 2005, where he writes,
"As far as letting God take care of the Demons, too late. They've locked up the "Happy Joe" person in the same dungeon that "Happy Joe" kept them in for so many years. Now they are loose and I am very afraid. From now on I may refer to "Happy Joe" as "Jet" (me) and the demons as "The Bogeyman."

Later, he writes,
"To be more specific, I am scared, alone, and confused, and my reaction is to strike out toward the perceived source of my misery, society. My intent is to harm society as much as I can, then die. As for the "Happy Joe" (Jet), well he was just a dream. The bogeyman was alive and happy long before Happy Joe."

[chiperoni]

I am so angry that I could just spit nails! Why wasn't this guy locked up for life! When is something going to be done to stop these monsters from wandering around free to do this over and over?!

I pray that Dylan is alive but I fear Shasta meant that he was left at "the house" dead since she also said her brother was in Heaven. Have the police even found "the house?" I understand the Denny's was located right next to an interstate highway so there is no telling how far they had driven before stopping at Denny's at 2:30 a.m.

So sad.
As we all know now it looks like Dylan was murdered. MaryBelle these monsters are among us and they are driven to molest children. They justify and preach that they are helping children by introducing them to sexual activitities. They are worse than monsters...pure evil among us.

[ISPTRAX]

Forgive me to ask questions already answered, but I've been gone on vacation. Did this sick MF also bludgeon those poor people to death? And was it random, or did he know them???

[Tom'sGirl]

Forgive me to ask questions already answered, but I've been gone on vacation. Did this sick MF also bludgeon those poor people to death? And was it random, or did he know them???
We don't know any of those answers at this point, so that will give you a chance to catch up on the posting

[ISPTRAX]

Thanks much... I'm on it (the bastard)...

[Cowgirl]

Forgive me to ask questions already answered, but I've been gone on vacation. Did this sick MF also bludgeon those poor people to death? And was it random, or did he know them???We don't know yet, ISPTrax. The FBI and other LE were concentrating on locating Dylan first and located what they believe are his remains this afternoon and sent him to Quantico VA for ID. Now they will turn to the murders. I think a lot will depend on what the poor girl can tell them of what she saw (as perhaps she was in the Jeep while her family was beat to death, but maybe not) or perhaps she will have some other details that will eliminate or implicate this guy and/or others. He has lawyered up and will not even get a lawyer (public defender) until tomorrow at his first hearing. I don't know the law in Idaho to know what they call it, but it is a show cause/bond hearing (which of course he won't get) and they will discuss the fact that he also has jumped bond from Detroit Lakes, MN and has a stolen vehicle. He would be on bond hold even without being suspected on new charges. But perhaps after he gets some legal advice he will decide to try to save his own miserable life by talking...

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks much... I'm on it (the bastard)...
You're more than welcome...........read fast, you never know what news will come up next. We're still waiting for the confirmation that the remains found where indeed that of Dylan.

[Liz]

I had questioned whether JED could possibly be responsible for the heinous crime scene, and I really doubted his capability as a lone predator. Then I remembered the quote from the link provided by LTUlegal on 7/2, #2 post of this thread:

http://www.dl-online.com/fullstory.php?id=14414

Police searching for Fargo sex offender, Joseph Edward Duncan III

Here is a quote from that article:
"While there, Duncan told doctors he had his first homosexual and heterosexual experiences when he was 12; forced a 9-year-old to have sexual contact with him at gunpoint when he was 15; and tied up six boys, ages 6 through 10, and forced them to have sexual contact with him when he was 16."

IF he was capable of tying six boys up, all by himself at age 16, maybe it is possible he is solely responsible for the gruesome triple homicide!

[Cowgirl]

What the hell was that??? He has to be on some very serious drugs! Geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzeeeeeee Thank the Lord he's behind bars :behindbar & Hopefully he'll get the DP...Now, I hope they find Big Al!I think his only drug is pedophilia. He blames society for everything he has done and his only drug history is pot, which is not usually something that promotes crime. Pot promotes laziness, for the most part, and the word "mellow" is what pot users use to describe the high.

He was diagnosed way back as a teenager as passive/agressive with schizoid tendencies and a sexual sadist, so he has been a F-wad for a long, long time. His beating this group to death would fit right in with that. It was said that the bodies were sexually mutilated too, which would also fit this sick prick.

[mysteriew]

We don't know for sure if he does or does not have a problem with drugs. The past conviction for pot does indicate that he has some drug contacts. He may not have any convictions for harder drugs yet, but if LE was able to bust all the drug dealers/users, then this country wouldn't have a drug problem (at least not if the courts would keep them in prison). Any drug user is at risk of being caught and charged, but not all users will be caught and charged. So IMO that doesn't rule out drugs in Duncan's history. And drug usage would certainly fit the pattern of an ex con, with a grudge against society.
I have never made any secret before of my opinion that this guy has the "look" of a tweaker or meth user.

[Pepper]

I haven't followed this case very much, so please bear with me if I'm sounding stupid.

This guy Duncan has a criminal history of child molestation, right? But with BOYS. So, if he took both children, why did he kill Dylan, when it seems that in the past he has a preference for boys?

So far he hasn't been charged with the murder of the 3 in the house. Doesn't it seem odd that he would kill 3 people just so he could kidnap 2 children? Are we sure he is the killer? Or could there be some other reason Shasta ended up with him? Is there any other connection of Duncan to the Groene family or any other motive for murdering 3 people?

This story just isn't making any sense to me.

[CaliKid]

I thought I saw a link about JED being charged with drug possession or UI, but I might be wrong. Something about extra time tacked on to a sentence for it?

[mysteriew]

I haven't followed this case very much, so please bear with me if I'm sounding stupid.

This guy Duncan has a criminal history of child molestation, right? But with BOYS. So, if he took both children, why did he kill Dylan, when it seems that in the past he has a preference for boys?

So far he hasn't been charged with the murder of the 3 in the house. Doesn't it seem odd that he would kill 3 people just so he could kidnap 2 children? Are we sure he is the killer? Or could there be some other reason Shasta ended up with him? Is there any other connection of Duncan to the Groene family or any other motive for murdering 3 people?

This story just isn't making any sense to me.

What is going on in this case is more what we don't know than what we do know.
We don't know if JED was involved in the murders.
If he was, we don't don't know if he did it alone or with an accomplice.
We don't know the motive for the murders.
We don't know how or when Dylan died.
We don't know why Shasta was taken to convience store so near her home.
We don't know how Duncan supported himself during his 6 1/2 (?) wks on the run.
We don't know if he wasn't involved in the murders, who did it. And if he wasn't involved in the murders- how did he get Shasta.
We don't know if he sexually abused either child- but given the history we guess that he probably abused Dylan. We don't know if he abused Shasta, or if he allowed others to abuse her.
Even with Shasta being home, there is more we don't know about this case than what we do know.

[SewingDeb]

I wonder just what he saw or heard the last six weeks. If he was camping, probably not much unless there was alot on the radio.
I had that picture posted on the counter at my store, I can't tell you how many little girls look like that picture. That super special smile separated her from alot of them.

The video of him in the convenience store with Shasta shows him reading a newspaper...I think he kept up and maybe felt safe to bring her out since the news was dying down. Bringing her out 10 miles from home...now that makes me wonder if he wanted to be caught.

[Shazzie]

Do you know if he made it to his graduation?
No, he did not graduate.

Joseph E. Duncan III, a 42-year-old registered sex offender, claimed on his personal Web site at the university that he expected to graduate Friday, May 13. School spokesman David Wahlberg said Duncan did not graduate. He said he could not divulge how many credits Duncan fell short from graduating.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/02/duncan.resume/index.html

[dragonfly]

Just curious, in that same article it makes mention of the remark in his resume about seeking employment in a more "southern state" like Kansas? Why do you suppose he picked Kansas? Does Kansas sex offenders enjoy an easier time of it?

[Floh]

I don't know if these videos have already been posted, but here are a couple of his home movies and they're creepy and -- to me -- inexplicable. :confused:

http://www.zippyvideos.com/203987334553055.html

http://www.zippyvideos.com/8543279553855.html

you do get to see him animated and, yes, i half-inched them (pinched them) from another board.

[indigomood]

I don't know if these videos have already been posted, but here are a couple of his home movies and they're creepy and -- to me -- inexplicable. :confused:

http://www.zippyvideos.com/203987334553055.html

http://www.zippyvideos.com/8543279553855.html

you do get to see him animated and, yes, i half-inched them (pinched them) from another board.
OMG , that second one creeped me out! Pure Evil Psychobabble.... :crazy:

eta...Thank you for posting the link

[mysteriew]

Joseph Edward Duncan III, 42, appeared in a Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, court via video hook-up. He was not granted bail on the kidnapping charges, but bail was set for $2 million on a fugitive warrant for a prior criminal charge in Minnesota.

Wearing a yellow jumpsuit, Duncan was shackled and appeared unshaven as he looked intently at the judge during the televised hearing. He appeared to be crying and said little, other than to acknowledge that he understood the charges against him and asking if could consult his attorney, Lynn Nelson, a public defender.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161538,00.html

[nvfc]

Interesting, MaryBelle. This is from his resume:

"I am a "go getter" and I believe in the power of computers to help mankind achieve its potential, tinkering in amateur philosophy as I may. I like to develop web pages in my spare time for various small groups and organizations."


At this time, I can just thank God for making some people, like Duncan, so fricken stoopid! How stupid or is it just plain ballsy to think you can walk into a local Denny's restaurant with your kidnapped victim?!!



His resume has been taken down, just wonding if anyone has a copy of it???

[indigomood]

His resume has been taken down, just wonding if anyone has a copy of it???
http://web.archive.org/web/20040507215039/http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~jduncan/resume.html

[caryatid]

We don't know for sure if he does or does not have a problem with drugs. The past conviction for pot does indicate that he has some drug contacts. He may not have any convictions for harder drugs yet, but if LE was able to bust all the drug dealers/users, then this country wouldn't have a drug problem (at least not if the courts would keep them in prison). Any drug user is at risk of being caught and charged, but not all users will be caught and charged. So IMO that doesn't rule out drugs in Duncan's history. And drug usage would certainly fit the pattern of an ex con, with a grudge against society.
I have never made any secret before of my opinion that this guy has the "look" of a tweaker or meth user.
Whether or not he used drugs is moot, IMO. He is a sick piece of unmentionable expletive. He can't hide behind drug use as an excuse.

[CaliKid]

And he certainly CAN NOT blame this on "society". The death of the family and Dylan and Shasta's molest is all HIS fault.

[kline]

You can rest assured his actions are ALWAYS someone elses fault.
He only has empathy for himself,others rights and pain mean absolutely nothing to him.
He is now and will always be the 'victim' in this situation.
Its difficult for those of us who are normal pro-social people to comprehende the outlook of the anti-social sociopath.
I guess we should be grateful.
His attitude is absolutely text book for a sexual predator.He is nothing unique.

[indigomood]

We don't know for sure if he does or does not have a problem with drugs. The past conviction for pot does indicate that he has some drug contacts. He may not have any convictions for harder drugs yet, but if LE was able to bust all the drug dealers/users, then this country wouldn't have a drug problem (at least not if the courts would keep them in prison). Any drug user is at risk of being caught and charged, but not all users will be caught and charged. So IMO that doesn't rule out drugs in Duncan's history. And drug usage would certainly fit the pattern of an ex con, with a grudge against society.
I have never made any secret before of my opinion that this guy has the "look" of a tweaker or meth user.

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt

Suspect's life a horror story...

In March 1982, state hospital officials declared that Duncan was no longer amenable to treatment. They said he left the hospital grounds twice the previous month, once peeping in the windows of nearby homes.

A judge revoked his suspended sentence and Duncan began serving his time in a state penitentiary.

During his first two years in prison, he was cited for assault, possessing a weapon and substance abuse.

[Linda7NJ]

I would love to see his sealed juvenile records! Just imagine all the sick things he has done and hasn't been caught!

[mysteriew]

I would love to see his sealed juvenile records! Just imagine all the sick things he has done and hasn't been caught!

No thanks, I prefer not to ((((shudder)))))).

[kelizabeth]

Liz, I totally agree!:behindbar for him :razz:

[kelizabeth]

He totally makes me want to vomit. His rantings are scary and he should be put away forever. I cant believe he is so arrogant in the face of these serious charges! I hope he goes straight to :furious:

[mysteriew]

Is anyone a suscriber of the spokesman review?
I googled JED under the news and came up with this entry, but I don't suscribe to the spokesman (and I don't plan to suscribe)

DUNCAN HISTORY: By age 17 he fit definition of a 'sexual ...
The Spokesman Review (subscription), WA - 20 hours ago
... Duncan was the fourth of five children born to Joseph E. Duncan Jr. and Lillian Mae Duncan. His parents were married in 1957 in rural Burnham, Pa. ...

[Tom'sGirl]

Is anyone a suscriber of the spokesman review?
I googled JED under the news and came up with this entry, but I don't suscribe to the spokesman (and I don't plan to suscribe)

DUNCAN HISTORY: By age 17 he fit definition of a 'sexual ...
The Spokesman Review (subscription), WA - 20 hours ago
... Duncan was the fourth of five children born to Joseph E. Duncan Jr. and Lillian Mae Duncan. His parents were married in 1957 in rural Burnham, Pa. ...I think this is the story, hope this link works.......
http://www.virtuallynw.com/breaking/story.asp?submitDate=200575121116 (http://www.virtuallynw.com/breaking/story.asp?submitDate=200575121116)
Duncan was the fourth of five children born to Joseph E. Duncan Jr. and Lillian Mae Duncan. His parents were married in 1957 in rural Burnham, Pa.

A year later, Duncan’s father joined the Army. He’d stay a soldier for the next 20 years. His son would later complain to state doctors that until he was 12, the family moved every two years, from one military assignment to the next. They lived in Europe and at several U.S. posts.

“As a result of this, he kept to himself a lot and formed only a few superficial acquaintances,” the doctors wrote. The boy felt picked on and mocked, and said he spent most of his time watching TV and daydreaming.

In 1978, Duncan’s father retired from the military. He ended up getting a job with the U.S. Postal Service, working at a Tacoma-area bulk mail center.

A year later, after 22 years of marriage, Duncan’s parents separated, their marriage “irretrievably broken” for reasons unspecified in their thick divorce court file. Duncan and a younger sister were the only kids still living at home.

Duncan went to Lakes High School in Tacoma until his sophomore year, when he never returned after Christmas break. He had a 1.7 grade-point average, out of a possible 4.0, according to court documents. Duncan later told a pre-sentencing investigator that he was using marijuana daily by the time he got to high school, and tried LSD, amphetamines, barbiturates, valium and PCP.

[SewingDeb]

Very interesting article. So he was on drugs, too.

[Wayne]

Very interesting article. So he was on drugs, too.
He was on drugs prior to high school and while in high school for 1-1/2 years. But it does not mention about drug use after serving time in prison. Although it is possible and based on what I have read thus far, I don't think he was using illegal drugs recently. (I might be wrong but LE has not said he tested positive for drugs, have they?)

[mysteriew]

Tom's Girl, the link worked! Thank you for finding me the article! Very interesting info here. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/proud/thankyou.gif

He was sentenced to a maximum of 20 years in prison, but the time was suspended. In lieu of prison, Duncan was committed to sex offender treatment at Western State Hospital.

“After 22 months in the program, Mr. Duncan has shown an unwillingness to modify his sexually deviant behaviors and has chosen not to commit himself to program techniques,” his therapists wrote. Duncan showed “a constant need to maintain secrecy” about his fantasies, they said, and rebelled against treatment.

They cited a key incident. On Valentine’s Day 1982, Duncan’s mother came to stay with him at a Western State Hospital cottage used for family visits. After she went to bed, he gathered up his coat, gloves and an extension cord. He jumped the hospital wall and crept up to a nearby house, where he spied on an 18-year-old woman and people in other houses. When dogs began barking and a man spotted him, Duncan fled back to the cottage, where he woke up his mother. She then taught him how to disco dance, according to the report.

A week later, Duncan announced that he wanted to leave treatment and serve his time in prison.

“He exhibited little remorse or guilt for his sexual deviation while in treatment ... He is not safe to be at large,” the therapists wrote to Pierce County officials. “....Mr. Duncan is available for transport back to your county by your sheriff at your earliest convenience.”

http://www.virtuallynw.com/breaking/story.asp?submitDate=200575121116

[indigomood]

He was on drugs prior to high school and while in high school for 1-1/2 years. But it does not mention about drug use after serving time in prison. Although it is possible and based on what I have read thus far, I don't think he was using illegal drugs recently. (I might be wrong but LE has not said he tested positive for drugs, have they?)

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt

Suspect's life a horror story


In March 1982, state hospital officials declared that Duncan was no longer amenable to treatment. They said he left the hospital grounds twice the previous month, once peeping in the windows of nearby homes.

A judge revoked his suspended sentence and Duncan began serving his time in a state penitentiary.

During his first two years in prison, he was cited for assault, possessing a weapon and substance abuse.

Duncan was paroled in September 1994 but the parole was revoked two years later after he was caught smoking marijuana and possessing a firearm. But instead of sending him back to prison, the parole board reinstated his parole after imposing additional conditions on him.

He did end up back in the penitentiary following the 1997 parole revocation, which was for several violations, including failing to obtain permission from his parole officer before having contact with minor children in Seattle on three occasions in 1996 and 1997, smoking marijuana, leaving the state without permission and failing to register as a sex offender in Kansas City, Mo., where the FBI arrested him in August 1997, five months after he left Washington.

In 1999 prison officials cited him for fighting in prison. The same year a psychologist rated the risk of him repeating his crime or being violent as medium.

[Tom'sGirl]

Tom's Girl, the link worked! Thank you for finding me the article! Very interesting info here.

He was sentenced to a maximum of 20 years in prison, but the time was suspended. In lieu of prison, Duncan was committed to sex offender treatment at Western State Hospital.

“After 22 months in the program, Mr. Duncan has shown an unwillingness to modify his sexually deviant behaviors and has chosen not to commit himself to program techniques,” his therapists wrote. Duncan showed “a constant need to maintain secrecy” about his fantasies, they said, and rebelled against treatment.

They cited a key incident. On Valentine’s Day 1982, Duncan’s mother came to stay with him at a Western State Hospital cottage used for family visits. After she went to bed, he gathered up his coat, gloves and an extension cord. He jumped the hospital wall and crept up to a nearby house, where he spied on an 18-year-old woman and people in other houses. When dogs began barking and a man spotted him, Duncan fled back to the cottage, where he woke up his mother. She then taught him how to disco dance, according to the report.

A week later, Duncan announced that he wanted to leave treatment and serve his time in prison.

“He exhibited little remorse or guilt for his sexual deviation while in treatment ... He is not safe to be at large,” the therapists wrote to Pierce County officials. “....Mr. Duncan is available for transport back to your county by your sheriff at your earliest convenience.”

http://www.virtuallynw.com/breaking/story.asp?submitDate=200575121116
You're welcome mys.......glad it was what you were looking for.

[Rocky]

He was on drugs prior to high school and while in high school for 1-1/2 years. But it does not mention about drug use after serving time in prison. Although it is possible and based on what I have read thus far, I don't think he was using illegal drugs recently. (I might be wrong but LE has not said he tested positive for drugs, have they?)

wayne,

I'm curious, did you check out this link...

http://koreanfriendfinder.com/p/memsearch.cgi?state=North+Dakota&find_sex=&channel=7&country=United+States&look=&searchtype=browse/index.html

I'm wondering if anyone else on this site might be connected...

[Sheromom]

On a guilt trip for turning him loose, of course: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA+Missing+Children+Washington&dpfrom=tstr

[SewingDeb]

He was on drugs prior to high school and while in high school for 1-1/2 years. But it does not mention about drug use after serving time in prison. Although it is possible and based on what I have read thus far, I don't think he was using illegal drugs recently. (I might be wrong but LE has not said he tested positive for drugs, have they?)

Not that I've heard.

[SewingDeb]

On a guilt trip for turning him loose, of course: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA+Missing+Children+Washington&dpfrom=tstr

Well, of course...it is hard to believe they couldn't prove he would reoffend in a violent way. He had quite a history before he ever went to prison the first time. Makes me sick.

[Wayne]

wayne,

I'm curious, did you check out this link...

http://koreanfriendfinder.com/p/memsearch.cgi?state=North+Dakota&find_sex=&channel=7&country=United+States&look=&searchtype=browse/index.html

I'm wondering if anyone else on this site might be connected...
I checked out his links ... But the most interesting IMO is the GPS link.

I found a few usernames (under geocaching and GPS websites) that I traced back to his Fargo ND GPS location. I passed everything on to LE on Monday. The information I passed on was deleted by Tuesday mid-day.

[Rocky]

I checked out his links ... But the most interesting IMO is the GPS link.

I found a few usernames (under geocaching and GPS websites) that I traced back to his Fargo ND GPS location. I passed everything on to LE on Monday. The information I passed on was deleted by Tuesday mid-day.

the website deleted the posts, or the info you passed to the feds?

[mysteriew]

I checked out his links ... But the most interesting IMO is the GPS link.

I found a few usernames (under geocaching and GPS websites) that I traced back to his Fargo ND GPS location. I passed everything on to LE on Monday. The information I passed on was deleted by Tuesday mid-day.

LOL, sounds like they were listening, doesn't it!