Has Dylan Been Found Too?

[KatzHome]

I'm sorry if this is an unnecessary thread ~ but I just read over at Natalee's Board that they have Shasta ~ and they are going to a home where Dylan is ...

I read in a Netscape news flash that they have Shasta ~ but they fear Dylan is dead...

I really hope that Dylan is found at that home ~ alive and well...

[Cowgirl]

The early rumor was that he was alive at some home. So far, the police have not found him but believe he is not alive. They don't even know where Shasta was with Duncan before she showed up at the Denny's restaurant, or at least, they have not said in the press conferences.

Shasta said her brother was in heaven and so Wolfinger is using that, apparently, as a reason to believe the boy is dead. Maybe he knows more than that because you would think they would wait to find a body if that is all the proof they have. Cops surely are slow. It was now 14 hours ago that she was found. The only house they are searching is back in North Dakota, not in Coeur D'Alene.

[mysteriew]

They found Shasta in the middle of the night. Someone overheard her say that her brother was back at the house. One of the deputies asked her about her brother though and she said he was in heaven. But it wasn't clear if she was referring to Slade or Dylan.
The house they are searching belongs to the man who Shasta was with. Joesph Duncan. He was from N.D.

[Cowgirl]

Duncan must have lawyered up because his home in North Dakota is over a thousand miles away, isn't it?

[KatzHome]

<sigh> I was hoping they would find Dylan too .... thanks cowgirl and mysteriew for clearing that up for me...

[KatzHome]

<sigh> my brother is in Heaven... I wonder which one she meant... I'm glad she is able to see it this way... I really see "Footprints in the Sand" in this...

[Shazzie]

Duncan must have lawyered up because his home in North Dakota is over a thousand miles away, isn't it?
Yikes. I didn't realize just how far it was until you said that. I just went and looked it up on mapquest, and it came back over 1115 miles and more than 15.5 hours of driving time.

If he has lawyered up, it's hardly surprising. I'm sure he knows the system well, after all his past experience! :rolleyes:

[mysteriew]

Duncan must have lawyered up because his home in North Dakota is over a thousand miles away, isn't it?

LOL, Cowgirl I was just thinking that he must have been co-operating. It would have taken time to get the search warrant processed and get the N.D. LE in there to search his home. But they seemed to have gotten in there pretty quick. So I guessed that he must be co-operating and gave permission for the search. I am also guessing that is why the Fargo ND press conference was cancelled. They set that up, then suddenly they were doing the search and the conference was cancelled. Maybe they became ready to do the search sooner than they expected, and all available personnel were needed for the search.

[North Idaho native]

<sigh> my brother is in Heaven... I wonder which one she meant... I'm glad she is able to see it this way... I really see "Footprints in the Sand" in this...
Well put, Katzhome...........that poor, poor little girl. If makes my heart sink to think about everything she has been through and seen.........what's next for her?:(

[englishleigh]

I am praying that Shasta meant Slade...and that Dylan is alive somewhere. Still holding out hope. {{{{{Shasta}}}}}}}

[ShowerSinger]

Force is this monster's language.
FORCE him to talk.
WHATEVER it takes!
(Good thing I'm not in LE!)

[bulletgirl2002]

Force is this monster's language.
FORCE him to talk.
WHATEVER it takes!
(Good thing I'm not in LE!)
This is just an observation but isn't it funny the attitude we have towards the prisioners in Abuwhatever and the ones like this....not slamming just observing. :sick:

[Cowgirl]

LOL, Cowgirl I was just thinking that he must have been co-operating. It would have taken time to get the search warrant processed and get the N.D. LE in there to search his home. But they seemed to have gotten in there pretty quick. So I guessed that he must be co-operating and gave permission for the search. I am also guessing that is why the Fargo ND press conference was cancelled. They set that up, then suddenly they were doing the search and the conference was cancelled. Maybe they became ready to do the search sooner than they expected, and all available personnel were needed for the search.Geez, I dunno. There was already a warrant for his arrest issued there, so I don't think they would need very much to get a search warrant issued once a kidnapping was suspected. But I doubt they are going to find anything in Fargo. I don't think he has been back there since he got these kids because he is wanted there. He rented the Jeep 4/15, right after bonding out, but was supposed to take it back 4/20, so it has been "hot" since then. He stole the license plates on 4/27 in Missouri and the original ones were found the first week in May in Wyoming at Bighorn Canyon Natl Park. Someplace he posted to his blog up to 5/13 but of course that could be anywhere. And then the bodies were found 5/16. So it seems to me he was on the move, and not in Fargo.

[caryatid]

Geez, I dunno. There was already a warrant for his arrest issued there, so I don't think they would need very much to get a search warrant issued once a kidnapping was suspected. But I doubt they are going to find anything in Fargo. I don't think he has been back there since he got these kids because he is wanted there. He rented the Jeep 4/15, right after bonding out, but was supposed to take it back 4/20, so it has been "hot" since then. He stole the license plates on 4/27 in Missouri and the original ones were found the first week in May in Wyoming at Bighorn Canyon Natl Park. Someplace he posted to his blog up to 5/13 but of course that could be anywhere. And then the bodies were found 5/16. So it seems to me he was on the move, and not in Fargo.
I thought it was the key tag that was found in Wyoming, not the plates. Am I out in left field on this?

[mysteriew]

I thought it was the key tag that was found in Wyoming, not the plates. Am I out in left field on this?

No, you have the correct information.

[caryatid]

No you have the correct information.
Thanks! Oldtimers hasn't quite set in, then! Whew!

[Cowgirl]

I thought it was the key tag that was found in Wyoming, not the plates. Am I out in left field on this?You are right, it was the key tag...which is what, the key fob that comes with a rental car? When I saw the word tag I was thinking license tag (which is what they call license plates in Florida) and thought that is what they meant since there were stolen license plates on the Jeep. But it says key tag. I wonder how they even noticed such a small item in the trash?

I've been tracking him through my Atlas, and he did some travelling during that month. He got that rental Jeep on 4/15 in St Paul. I don't know how he got from Fargo to Detroit Lakes where he went to court and then down to St Paul, but Fargo to St Paul is 235 miles. Perhaps he left a vehicle there where he rented to Jeep? I don't know his itinerary, but 12 days later he was 600 miles south of St Paul in Joplin MO to steal the plates. Then between 4/27 and mid May (assuming, of course) he went about 1200 miles to the Bighorn Canyon campgrounds where he dumped the key tag and then another 700 miles west to Coeur D'Alene. It would be interesting to see what kind of mileage he put on the Jeep.

[caryatid]

You are right, it was the key tag...which is what, the key fob that comes with a rental car? When I saw the word tag I was thinking license tag (which is what they call license plates in Florida) and thought that is what they meant since there were stolen license plates on the Jeep. But it says key tag. I wonder how they even noticed such a small item in the trash?

I've been tracking him through my Atlas, and he did some travelling during that month. He got that rental Jeep on 4/15 in St Paul. I don't know how he got from Fargo to Detroit Lakes where he went to court and then down to St Paul, but Fargo to St Paul is 235 miles. Perhaps he left a vehicle there where he rented to Jeep? I don't know his itinerary, but 12 days later he was 600 miles south of St Paul in Joplin MO to steal the plates. Then between 4/27 and mid May (assuming, of course) he went about 1200 miles to the Bighorn Canyon campgrounds where he dumped the key tag and then another 700 miles west to Coeur D'Alene. It would be interesting to see what kind of mileage he put on the Jeep.
Could he have purchased the plates from somebody in St Paul?

[North Idaho native]

Could he have purchased the plates from somebody in St Paul?
Interesting idea............he obviously has quite the posse of psychos he keeps in contact with.

[CaliKid]

((((Hugs)))) for the children and additional prayers for Dylan.

[Brie]

Nothing concrete on DYLAN? I've been checking back whenever I get the chance.....

[CaliKid]

No, nothing except a slightly more-positive statement from LE that he's probably dead.

[mysteriew]

I read in one of the articles today that they have evidence that suggests he is dead, but they wouldn't say what that evidence is. They finished checking out the jeep today and sent somethings off to the FBI.

[mysteriew]

As officers gingerly questioned 8-year-old Shasta Groene about the time she spent with a convicted sexual predator charged with her kidnapping, hopes faded for her still-missing brother.

Kootenai County Sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said Sunday that deputies believe 9-year-old Dylan is dead, based on information from Shasta and evidence from the stolen vehicle the suspect was driving.

He said interviews with the girl were going slowly at Kootenai Medical Center, where she has been since she was recovered early Saturday while eating at a Denny's restaurant with Joseph Edward Duncan III, a registered sex offender.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050704/ap_on_re_us/idaho_missing_children%3b_ylt=A9FJqap5EMlCBU0A9QtI 2ocA%3b_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[Cowgirl]

Wolfinger said on the Today show and on MSNBC that they are searching in the northern Idaho and western Montana area for Dylan. They have investigators spread out all the way back to Fargo, but they apparently expect that Dylan is in the Idaho/Montana area from something that they have learned either from Shasta or from something found in the vehicle.

He said the investigators are concentrating on Dylan first and will then try to find out Duncan's connection to the murders. He gave no hint of hope of finding Dylan alive.

[Cowgirl]

Could he have purchased the plates from somebody in St Paul?I suppose he could have purchased them from someone in St Paul, but they were stolen nonetheless from Joplin, MO. I don't think there is much of an underground market for stolen license plates. I mean, come on, why would some criminal buy hot plates from anyone when he can steal them himself so easily? If he had legal plates, then he may have bought them, but why would a criminal pay someone for something they could grab so easily themselves? All it takes is a screwdriver.

This idea of a network of perverts supporting a pervert on the run that is trying to take hold on this board is absurd. Perverts may type their weird words on message boards and blogs but they are not having meetings, exchanging hot goods, and establishing safe houses. That idea is the result of too much CSI. This guy was a loner. How many times have they said that?

[mysteriew]

This idea of a network of perverts supporting a pervert on the run that is trying to take hold on this board is absurd. Perverts may type their weird words on message boards and blogs but they are not having meetings, exchanging hot goods, and establishing safe houses. That idea is the result of too much CSI. This guy was a loner. How many times have they said that?

This guy was a loner who spent a lot of time on the net. It is easier to hide your identity (and your history) on the internet. And he participated in games and made contacts that way. I am always amazed at what people will do, usually quite innocently for someone who asked- even though they only know them by a nicname. And while he thought of himself as a loner, his blogs do indicate that he had a limited circle of friends.

[kpass]

A quick update just now on FOX...they're searching the Northwest (Washington) for Dylan, they're not revealing their source, but said they have 'reason to believe' he may be there.

[LNL]

Kpass, did they say if they still think he is deceased? Or, is there new info that he may be alive?

[mysteriew]

LE mentioned something yesterday about they believed that Duncan and the kids had been in northwest Wash. the entire time.

[mysteriew]

Kpass, did they say if they still think he is deceased? Or, is there new info that he may be alive?

Yesterday, LE said there was evidence in the Jeep that led them to believe that Dylan was deceased. But they wouldn't say what that evidence was.

[kpass]

Kpass, did they say if they still think he is deceased? Or, is there new info that he may be alive?

They didn't say...however, they showed an aerial view of where they're searching, it looked like a lot of brush, trees...to me, it doesn't look as if they will find him alive.

[mysteriew]

Authorities believe Duncan, who was raised in Tacoma, Wash., remained in the Pacific Northwest with the children during the weeks they were missing. Wolfinger has not said if authorities believe Duncan was involved in the slayings.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161497,00.html

[LNL]

TY, Kpass and Mysteriew

[mysteriew]

TY, Kpass and Mysteriew

LOL, what for? I didn't do anything.

[Cowgirl]

Wolfinger says at every press conference that unfortunately, they believe that Dylan is deceased. He does not specify exactly why but does allude to evidence in the Jeep and things said by Shasta. Perhaps Dylan's clothing or something else he should be wearing--shoes, or something--has been found in the jeep? That is just a guess, so please, don't report that as fact at all.

Wofinger continues to say, despite impatient questions from the press, that Dylan and finding him (dead or alive) is the first focus of the investigators. He said the investigation is concentrated in the northern Idaho/western Montana area. They have no information whatsoever from Duncan because he lawyered up right after giving his name, rank, and serial number. He will not get a public defender until a hearing tomorrow, so they will not ask him anything before that.

[Tammie63]

Not that they are going to probably get any information from Duncan once he has an attorney but it looks to me if they felt that Dylan was alive they would have made special circumstances for that hearing to be already done. I don't think ANY respectable judge would deny holding court when it is a matter of life or death. With the lack of urgency I hold little hope unfortunately for Dylan.

[SewingDeb]

The early rumor was that he was alive at some home. So far, the police have not found him but believe he is not alive. They don't even know where Shasta was with Duncan before she showed up at the Denny's restaurant, or at least, they have not said in the press conferences.

Shasta said her brother was in heaven and so Wolfinger is using that, apparently, as a reason to believe the boy is dead. Maybe he knows more than that because you would think they would wait to find a body if that is all the proof they have. Cops surely are slow. It was now 14 hours ago that she was found. The only house they are searching is back in North Dakota, not in Coeur D'Alene.

It was reported today that evidence in the stolen car and statements from Shasta convince the police that Dylan is dead. The perv isn't talking and won't get his court appointed attorney until tomorrow. Shasta is not being pressured to talk at this point.

[Rle7]

There is an advisory that a brief press conference will be held about Dylan at 2PM PT today. You can watch the live video feed at www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com/)

[fran]

There is an advisory that a brief press conference will be held about Dylan at 2PM PT today. You can watch the live video feed at www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com/)


I didn't see your post...could you post this on the thread I started for this?

Thanks,
fran

[Rle7]

I didn't see your post...could you post this on the thread I started for this?

Thanks,
fran
Oh...Ok. Didn't see that thread. Guess that started after I posted this. I'll repost the info.

[Cowgirl]

Looks like they have found Dylan's remains. They are doing DNA testing... the remains have been sent to Quantico, VA for that, but they seem to think this is Dylan. Poor little boy. Shasta's being alive is even more astonishing.

[Peabody]

Here is a link to "Human Remains Found in Missing Boy Search"

The link has a video of Steve regarding the return of Shasta and also a slideshow of the case

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050704...issing_children (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050704/ap_on_re_us/idaho_missing_children)


May God give comfort and healing to Steve, Shasta and all those who have been hurt by this senseless tragedy.



Bring Maura Home
www.mauramurray.com (http://www.mauramurray.com/)
www.spbowers.com\mauramissing.html (http://www.spbowers.commauramissing.html/)

[SewingDeb]

A quick update just now on FOX...they're searching the Northwest (Washington) for Dylan, they're not revealing their source, but said they have 'reason to believe' he may be there.

Human remains have been found, possibly Dylans:
http://www.katu.com/stories/78178.html
COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho - Authorities on Monday said they found human remains during their search for a missing 9-year-old boy whose sister was found days earlier at a Denny's restaurant with a registered sex offender.

Sheriff Rocky Watson said the remains were found in western Montana would be sent to an FBI laboratory for DNA analysis. He did not say whether the remains were believed to be those of Dylan Groene, and declined to answer questions.

~more at link~

[SewingDeb]

Here is a link to "Human Remains Found in Missing Boy Search"

The link has a video of Steve regarding the return of Shasta and also a slideshow of the case

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050704...issing_children (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050704/ap_on_re_us/idaho_missing_children)


May God give comfort and healing to Steve, Shasta and all those who have been hurt by this senseless tragedy.



Bring Maura Home
www.mauramurray.com (http://www.mauramurray.com/)
www.spbowers.com\mauramissing.html (http://www.spbowers.commauramissing.html/)


Sorry, I should have read further to see that you had already posted the link. If they were camping during these 6 weeks, I think he may have been at the campground and befriended Shasta and Dylan. He may not have had anything to do with the murders and Shasta and Dylan ran to him when it happened?

[Cowgirl]

Sorry, I should have read further to see that you had already posted the link. If they were camping during these 6 weeks, I think he may have been at the campground and befriended Shasta and Dylan. He may not have had anything to do with the murders and Shasta and Dylan ran to him when it happened?Maybe, but then, how did Shasta and Dylan get there?

[SewingDeb]

Maybe, but then, how did Shasta and Dylan get there?

I'm thinking Shasta and Dillon already knew him from playing at the campground (if he was there) and when SOMEONE ELSE murdered the family, they may have escaped and ran to their friend.

[Cowgirl]

I'm thinking Shasta and Dillon already knew him from playing at the campground (if he was there) and when SOMEONE ELSE murdered the family, they may have escaped and ran to their friend.I guess we shall have to see how far away it was. The remains they found today were at least 35 miles from where Wolf Lodge Creek is (where the kids lived) but it is possible that he met them and then followed them home. The whole area is woods and camping and parks.

If that makes no sense or is confusing, I base that on the idea that they said they recovered the remains in western Montana, near the Idaho border. Wolf Lodge Creek is maybe 35 to 50 miles west of the border. Of course, Duncan could have been trolling that entire area, spotted the kids, and met them that way, following them home and then killing their whole family.

Maybe he didn't do it, SewingDeb, and they just ran to him, but since his blog says he was planning something terrible, it would seem this was it... and isn't it wonderful that his sick blog is the thing that could convince a jury of his guilt!

[Liz]

I'm thinking Shasta and Dillon already knew him from playing at the campground (if he was there) and when SOMEONE ELSE murdered the family, they may have escaped and ran to their friend.


I'm thinking along those lines, too, Deb. Not that they may have already known him, but that maybe they ran there, from the crime scene, hoping to find their ladyfriend that ran the campground.

JED could have simply stopped there for the nite to get a shower. That was the campground's first night open, matter of fact. May 15th.

Lots of the true woods campers, stop in at campgrounds, only to use the facilities. If so, that campground probably has a record of that stolen license tag. Let's hope so, anyway.

[Shazzie]

I guess we shall have to see how far away it was. The remains they found today were at least 35 miles from where Wolf Lodge Creek is (where the kids lived) but it is possible that he met them and then followed them home. The whole area is woods and camping and parks.

If that makes no sense or is confusing, I base that on the idea that they said they recovered the remains in western Montana, near the Idaho border. Wolf Lodge Creek is maybe 35 to 50 miles west of the border. Of course, Duncan could have been trolling that entire area, spotted the kids, and met them that way, following them home and then killing their whole family.

Maybe he didn't do it, SewingDeb, and they just ran to him, but since his blog says he was planning something terrible, it would seem this was it... and isn't it wonderful that his sick blog is the thing that could convince a jury of his guilt!The idea that the creep did the murders as part of his campaign to "harm society as much as I can, then die" makes sense to me. In which case, I'm certainly glad the blog evidence exists. I just hope some slimy defense attorney doesn't find a way to suppress it. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic about things like that these days. All I know is that the existence of evidence, no matter how compelling, is no assurance that a jury will ever hear about it. I am hopeful but afraid to count on anything.

[CaliKid]

The idea that the creep did the murders as part of his campaign to "harm society as much as I can, then die" makes sense to me. In which case, I'm certainly glad the blog evidence exists. I just hope some slimy defense attorney doesn't find a way to suppress it. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic about things like that these days. All I know is that the existence of evidence, no matter how compelling, is no assurance that a jury will ever hear about it. I am hopeful but afraid to count on anything.
Agree. What are the chances of Dylan and Shasta watching their family being brutally murdered and sneaking out of the house away from harm and, of all the bad luck, running right into the arms of a sexual predator? It wouldn't even make believable fiction.

[Liz]

Agree. What are the chances of Dylan and Shasta watching their family being brutally murdered and sneaking out of the house away from harm and, of all the bad luck, running right into the arms of a sexual predator? It wouldn't even make believable fiction.


Many times, truth is stranger than fiction. I'm not ruling anything out, yet.

Watch the maggot's attorney try to say the maggot was only being a "good Joe" and returning Shasta to her home.

[mysteriew]

I guess we shall have to see how far away it was. The remains they found today were at least 35 miles from where Wolf Lodge Creek is (where the kids lived) but it is possible that he met them and then followed them home. The whole area is woods and camping and parks.

If that makes no sense or is confusing, I base that on the idea that they said they recovered the remains in western Montana, near the Idaho border. Wolf Lodge Creek is maybe 35 to 50 miles west of the border. Of course, Duncan could have been trolling that entire area, spotted the kids, and met them that way, following them home and then killing their whole family.

Maybe he didn't do it, SewingDeb, and they just ran to him, but since his blog says he was planning something terrible, it would seem this was it... and isn't it wonderful that his sick blog is the thing that could convince a jury of his guilt!

Cowgirl, I realize that you got into this case a little late, but if you read some of the earlier info, you will find that Shasta and Dylan lived next door to a campground. It was very close to their home, and has been a topic of debate here before. The campground wasn't actually open until after the murders and the owners have stated that there was no one camping there at the time of the murders. But anyway, that is the campground everyone keeps referring to.

[Liz]

Mysteriew, I thought the Wolf Lodge Bay Campground opened on Sunday, May 15th. The day of the alleged barbecue and the day before the bodies were found.

I know Jersey even started a thread about the campground opening on the 15th.

In my mind, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that these children ran from the crime scene, into the woods they knew so well. Or possibly to the campground, as they knew the lady that ran it and also often played with her kids.

I can't wait until we find out the actual details of what actually occured, if we ever do.

[mysteriew]

Mysteriew, I thought the Wolf Lodge Bay Campground opened on Sunday, May 15th. The day of the alleged barbecue and the day before the bodies were found.

I know Jersey even started a thread about the campground opening on the 15th.

In my mind, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that these children ran from the crime scene, into the woods they knew so well. Or possibly to the campground, as they knew the lady that ran it and also often played with her kids.

I can't wait until we find out the actual details of what actually occured, if we ever do.

You may be right, I haven't looked it up but am only going by memory (which is not as good as it used to be, LOL.) It is typical for campgrounds to "offically" open right before Memorial Day, so you are probably correct.

[close_enough]

You may be right, I haven't looked it up but am only going by memory (which is not as good as it used to be, LOL.) It is typical for campgrounds to "offically" open right before Memorial Day, so you are probably correct.

i never really thought of this campground as being anything to really do with all of this, except for the fact that the killers might have parked near there & walked to the Groene house, then walked back to their vehicle...possibly parked near the campground.....if this campground didn't open until the day before the murders, it doesn't make sense that Duncan was watching this house, & the kids for very long, from there....i think he had been watching them for a period of time, myself....i don't think he just happened to get zip ties, & whatever else he used to kill them with, overnight....now it's possible he had been camping, on his own, somewhere near this campground....heck, for all we know he was camping out, watching them, from right behind the house, somewhere.....

i'm rambling, but my point is...since the campground didn't open until the day before, i just don't think that Duncan was there for one night, & happened to just run across these children, then decided to kill everyone in the house....he had been somewhere close, but i don't think it was that particular campground....maybe near it, but not officially camping there on may 15th...he would know that LE would question folks that camped there, that night, imo....it was only open 1 day, before the murders/abductions...

i could be wrong, but it just doesn't fit that someone else murdered these people, then the children ran into him at the campground, while running from the killers....

[dragonfly]

What a weekend! I am just catching up on all the events that happened this weekend and between watching the MSM reports and reading the WS postings I haven't had a chance to sign in on this fast moving story.
First of all SO HAPPY to know Shasta is alive, and Broken Hearted with the prospect of Dylan demise at the hands of this demented creature.
When I think back to some earlier posts that I had contributed I know first of all I really felt that Steve and Vance were involved and for that I do have a lot of regrets...and I also felt Jennifer Wilbank's fiance Mason was resposible for her disappearance early on...so I have to remember to not quite my day job to go into any serious criminal profiling line of employment! LOL
I do think thou IMO JED might have accomplished this murder abuction in stages.
Mark could have left the residence with the two kids going into CdL to pick up video and hambergers. While he was gone the perp could have entered the house. I don't think they routinely locked the door when one partly left planning to return shortly. JED could have attached Brenda and Slade if he had a gun with him he could have easily controled these two and had them bound and beating on them when Mark returned. If Mark arrive home heard the screams from inside the house he could have told the kids to stay in the car. Mark could have been overpowered by this perp with a weapon. Then the perp leaves collecting the two kids who may or may not have actually entered the house. Then the great adventure begins for JED! He has settled part of his debt with society! Sick-O :sick:

[mysteriew]

This guy strikes me as being more opportunistic than a planner. He was too busy living in the past, and resenting society and living in the present (happy Joe) to do much planning IMO. I don't think he was capable of detailed planning and carrying out those plans. He may have had ideas about what he wanted to do, but I don't think he was the type to stalk- more the type to take advantage of opportunities he saw.
As was already established- the zip ties could have been found at the house, or they could have been things he carried with him. They have a lot of uses as ties for bundles (camping equipment), computer wires, and a number of other uses.

[mysteriew]

Good theory dragonfly.

[close_enough]

What a weekend! I am just catching up on all the events that happened this weekend and between watching the MSM reports and reading the WS postings I haven't had a chance to sign in on this fast moving story.
First of all SO HAPPY to know Shasta is alive, and Broken Hearted with the prospect of Dylan demise at the hands of this demented creature.
When I think back to some earlier posts that I had contributed I know first of all I really felt that Steve and Vance were involved and for that I do have a lot of regrets...and I also felt Jennifer Wilbank's fiance Mason was resposible for her disappearance early on...so I have to remember to not quite my day job to go into any serious criminal profiling line of employment! LOL
I do think thou IMO JED might have accomplished this murder abuction in stages.
Mark could have left the residence with the two kids going into CdL to pick up video and hambergers. While he was gone the perp could have entered the house. I don't think they routinely locked the door when one partly left planning to return shortly. JED could have attached Brenda and Slade if he had a gun with him he could have easily controled these two and had them bound and beating on them when Mark returned. If Mark arrive home heard the screams from inside the house he could have told the kids to stay in the car. Mark could have been overpowered by this perp with a weapon. Then the perp leaves collecting the two kids who may or may not have actually entered the house. Then the great adventure begins for JED! He has settled part of his debt with society! Sick-O :sick:

morning dragonfly....man o' man, you're right...this case is moving very fast now, thank goodness...
it would have been very easy for Duncan to overtake a 13 yr old, & his mama, by himself, with a gun....if he had been watching the house, it would have been perfect timing, to "get things started", imo.....

don't feel bad though...i've been wrong, more than once, on a few cases, myself....i won't quit my day job either..lol

[close_enough]

This guy strikes me as being more opportunistic than a planner. He was too busy living in the past, and resenting society and living in the present (happy Joe) to do much planning IMO. I don't think he was capable of detailed planning and carrying out those plans. He may have had ideas about what he wanted to do, but I don't think he was the type to stalk- more the type to take advantage of opportunities he saw.
As was already established- the zip ties could have been found at the house, or they could have been things he carried with him. They have a lot of uses as ties for bundles (camping equipment), computer wires, and a number of other uses.

LE believes that the killer/killers brought their own "things" to use, for the murders...now why they think that, i don't know, but they've mentioned, more than once, that this crime was planned in advance...they went as far as trying to locate folks that had purchased these white zip ties, prior to the murders...
i think Duncan was very capable of detailed planning...i think his blog shows that he was....i think most, if not all of his blog was the beginning of some kind of "plan".....he used his blog as an alibi, also, for other crimes, especially the disappearance of Leanna Warren...he also has another "journal", or whatever you want to call it, that's in "code", that's much more detailed than the blog....he even mentions this himself.....

somehow he targeted the Groene family, & watched them, & waited for the right time....he wanted to "get even" w/society in a big way, imo....LE said the murders were very brutal...overkill, pretty much....from reading his blog, something was going to happen soon...something big; he was ready by May 13th to set it all off....we know he wasn't at his own home at that time...neighbors hadn't seen him for weeks/months, apparently....i think he was in the area of the killings for awhile, prior, waiting & watching.....

i think he even knew that at some point, someone/LE would find his blog too...i have a feeling he's very proud of that blog...

[A.Wood]

Im confused at how in the beginning there was a grandmother of the children saying he was alive, I think I even read that she said that he was with the family. It would have been nice if this account was actually true.