View Full Version : HERO Waitress, Amber Deahn & 3 other heroes
This gal is a true hero in my eyes. The way she
stalled them by offering Shasta a milkshake and
making it very slowly so police could arrive. She
also made it a large, so it would take more time
for Shasta to drink it.
She also walked Shasta out to the patrol cruiser
and sat in there with her. She hugged Shasta and
Shasta started crying and told her that she wanted
her daddy and wanted to go home. Amber said Shasta
cuddled up to her and that it took all she had to
not start crying herself.
She was interviewed earlier on KHQ, part of which I
just saw on the news. She said that seeing him
handcuffed and carted away was one of the happiest
moments in her life. She said IF she were to die
tomorrow that she would feel her life had been
fulfilled. And, from what I understand she is the
mother to a 15 month old toddler. God bless Amber!
And when I get her last name right for sure, I will
post it correctly!
ETA about 'other heroes': Patrons Nicholas Chapman and Chris Donlan and also Denny's Manager, Linda Olson (or Olsen)
See post after 5 am editing time for the extensive details on the other three heroes (warning LONG)
North Idaho native
07-02-2005, 08:47 PM
This gal is a true hero in my eyes. The way she stalled them by offering Shasta a milkshake and making it very slowly so police could arrive. She also made it a large, so it would take more time for Shasta to drink it.
She also walked Shasta out to the patrol cruiser and sat in there with her. She hugged Shasta and Shasta started crying and told her that she wanted her daddy and wanted to go home. Amber said Shasta cuddled up to her and that it took all she had to not start crying herself.
She was interviewed earlier on KHQ, part of which I just saw on the news. She said that seeing him handcuffed and carted away was one of the happiest moments in her life. She said IF she were to die tomorrow that she would feel her life had been
fulfilled. And, from what I understand she is the mother to a 15 month old toddler. God bless Amber!
And when I get her last name right for sure, I will post it correctly!
Eta some details
Absolutely..............it's great to see a community come together like this....Brings to mind the old saying "It takes a village to raise a child."
mysteriew
07-02-2005, 09:04 PM
Liz now I am hitting the tissues again. So glad that someone like that was involved with finding Shasta. She must have been so scared! And here was this Mother, watching over her.
CaliKid
07-03-2005, 12:14 AM
Thank you, Amber. Thank you for being alert and caring and doing the right thing.
GatorMom
07-03-2005, 08:35 AM
It only takes one person to make a difference.
Amber Deahn is a real hero and a reminder that we should all take a moment and look at every missing person flyer we see in our communities and every missing person they show on television.
There were two patrons, allegedly described as 'teenagers' who were outside Denny's to smoke a cigarette that saw the perp pull up with Shasta, in the red jeep cherokee. Perp got out and Shasta got out on the passenger side. Almost instantly Nicholas Chapman, upon seeing Shasta, realized who she was. He told his friend, Chris Donlan, that this was Shasta, the missing girl. Chapman said he was, "like dude, that's definitely Shasta" to his friend.
As Shasta and JED approached the Denny's, Chris & Nick were outside trying to point in to their two female friends to look at the 2 who were entering. The girls had no clue as to what the 2 guys were motioning about. Finally, one of the two guys, I think it was Nick, text messaged to one of the 2 girls with them, that 'that little girl looks just like that missing Shasta'. (She says she will never erase that text message. She better not! At least till he gets some reward money!) On the way back inside, Nick grabs a Nickelsworth. (Initially upon hearing that, I was clueless as to what the heck a Nickelsworth was; and thought he either meant a cup of coffee or a $5 amount of drugs! lol)
According to Nick, he approached the waitress, (unsure at this point that it was Amber, but I would assume it probably was.) and showed her the pic of the kids and told her to give that to her manager as Shasta was right there in the restaurant.
Nickelsworth, so I'm told and I saw it later on news footage, is a locally distributed free paper with classified ads & such in it. It had pictures of the missing Groene children in it.
Meanwhile, the two teen guys sit down and call the sheriff's office. I think he said he called the 1300 local number. (Not for sure, could have been 9-1-1) He told the dispatcher that he thought he'd identified Shasta in the Dennys and that employees were all going over to the table and looking at her. At which point the dispatch gal told him that they had had a call already.
Linda Olson, Amber's manager had called I think it was 4 minutes earlier. With each additional time of hearing and seeing the news interviews about this - I believe that the teenager, Nick, actually spotted and recognized Shasta, long before the waitress, Amber did, without lessening Amber's heroism at all. (And even handed her the nickelsworth paper / pictures.)
Amber was truly remarkable. She stalled them by offering dessert to Shasta. She thought to name all the different flavors of shakes they could possibly concoct there. Wouldn't you know, Shasta ended up choosing vanilla. But only after seeking the maggot's (JED) approval. In fact, Amber said that Shasta would not answer her questions, before seeking approval (nod I guess) from him first.
Amber made sure to make a full size adult shake, rather than a child's and slowed down the prep time as much as possible so as to stall them further; and knowing it would take Shasta longer to drink it. Figuring she could tell him their old machine was just slow. Thinking on her feet she was.
Shasta and the maggot got up and went to the restrooms at some point, possibly just before he would ask for the check. They each went into their separate bathrooms which surprised me -- the control he had over her. When he returned, Chris and Nick both said that the perp looked like he was realizing something was going down, and Amber said JED sort of pointed over to the table, requesting the check. She told him she'd have it right to him.
The teen boys, said the perp looked out the window and saw the patrol cars coming up. Chris, who otherwise didn't do as much talking as Nick, said he was ready to do whatever necessary to stop the perp from bolting, as he knew that someone wanted Shasta back way more than this perp.
So Linda's call, if I am not mistaken was taken at 1:51 am and Nick's call was taken at 1:55 am. Too close to call and I think they should split the reward between the two teen boys and the waitress and the manager. However, there may be a couple of cooks that were interviewed that might want a cut.
;)
BTW, not only does Amber have a 12 or 15 month lil girl old at home, but she is also 6 mos pregnant. She said that after the police took the perp into custody, they told her to stay with Shasta. She went up to her, and asked her, "Honey how are you doing?" I don't remember that Shasta answered but the waitress said, 6 months pregnant or not, she picked up Shasta and just carried her to the squad car. She put her in and got in sat with her. Then she asked her her name, to which Shasta replied her name and began to cry and saying "I want my daddy. I want to go home. I just want my daddy", while Amber was hugging her and almost unable to control her own tears.
As I said before, Amber stated that if she were to die today, she would feel that her life was fulfilled!
Also, Nicholas said he had noticed the Missing Dylan and Shasta Billboard (again) yesterday but it hit him particularly hard, for some reason and just stayed on his mind all day. He said he never in his life would have expected to ever assist in identifying some little missing girl and helping her get back home. He equated the whole thing to an epiphany.
They were all very touching to hear. Truly! Whatever in God's name made that perp stop at that Denny's at that time of night, which is usually very busy and yet several people were able to identify Shasta, I think it's just THE BEST!
I think these four people should share the reward money. And I apoologize for the long post! It's too long to proof read so my apologies for errors.
ETA Olson as Linda's last name
BTW, none of them have mentioned the reward money. At least not in the interviews. I feel sure that is not what motivated them to act. I am thankful they were all observant, didn't over react and were there at Denny's at that time!
Cowgirl
07-03-2005, 09:08 AM
Well, I think the waitress and the manager should split the money. They called first and it seems the teenagers were more interested in talking to each other about it. Amber said they were in there for at least 30 minutes before the police got there, so the teenagers had plenty of time to call 911 and for whatever reason did not. So what is so heroic about them? They recognized the girl and sat on their hands? Looked at a free paper to make an ID?
kpass
07-03-2005, 09:11 AM
Liz,
Thank you for that post! I am balling here, especially reading the part where Amber hugged Shasta & she said "I want my daddy, I want to go home."
Thank God these people were all so observant. God only knows what that poor little girl has been through...we can only hope & pray she'll receive counseling/therapy & hopefully be OK. My prayers are with her.
nanandjim
07-03-2005, 09:12 AM
BTW, none of them have mentioned the reward money. At least not in the interviews. I feel sure that is not what motivated them to act. I am thankful they were all observant, didn't over react and were there at Denny's at that time!
I agree. The reward money is not the reason why decent people get involved. It is an afterthought.
From reading the first post, I think the waitress should get the reward. Didn't she speak to her manager and have him/her call the police while she did everything that she could to stall them?
Cowgirl
07-03-2005, 09:20 AM
I agree. The reward money is not the reason why decent people get involved. It is an afterthought.
From reading the first post, I think the waitress should get the reward. Didn't she speak to her manager and have him/her call the police while she did everything that she could to stall them?That is the way I heard it. And I doubt anyone was thinking about the reward at the time. Perhaps the teenagers thought about it after a while and that is why they called AFTER the manager did...
I agree. The reward money is not the reason why decent people get involved. It is an afterthought.
From reading the first post, I think the waitress should get the reward. Didn't she speak to her manager and have him/her call the police while she did everything that she could to stall them?
Yes, but after seeing the newscasts of it many different times, I believe that the reason she recognized Shasta was that the teenager, Nicholas, pointed Shasta out to her and handed her the newspaper, the Nickelsworth, with Shasta and Dylan's pictures.
I think those two are most deserving, while I think the manager, and the other teen, Chris were not as involved. There should be plenty of money to make a difference in all their lives, and I am sure LE and the feds will work it all out to make everyone happy.
I just saw another interview of Amber, and now she seems to be stretching the story a bit more, in her own favor, as if to insure it is her that gets the reward. My perception only.
ETA Yes, AMBER did do the most thining on her feet so she should get the greatest amount, imo.
Usher737
07-03-2005, 09:28 AM
"Amber Deahn is a real hero and a reminder that we should all take a moment and look at every missing person flyer we see in our communities and every missing person they show on television."
Exactly!!! It truly does just take 1 person to make such a difference!!
Most of the time tought cases only get solved by someone paying attention and calling in a tip! So many more children could come home if concerned adults took the time to notice.
Well, I think the waitress and the manager should split the money. They called first and it seems the teenagers were more interested in talking to each other about it. Amber said they were in there for at least 30 minutes before the police got there, so the teenagers had plenty of time to call 911 and for whatever reason did not. So what is so heroic about them? They recognized the girl and sat on their hands? Looked at a free paper to make an ID?
The teens did call 911 after showing the waitress the photo. The Denny's managers 911 call was first, then the teens called 911 from their table independently. Both recordings were on the news.
kpass
07-03-2005, 09:50 AM
What difference does it make 'who' gets the $$$? I'm sure they'll split it evenly after a little investigation as to 'who' should get it. I don't think any of them were thinking of the $$$ when they spotted Shasta! Personally, if it were me, I would give my portion of it to Shasta's family, that to me would be the BIGGEST REWARD knowing they'd benefit from it, my reward would be just knowing she's finally home, where she belongs...with her DAD.
Cowgirl
07-03-2005, 10:05 AM
What difference does it make 'who' gets the $$$? I'm sure they'll split it evenly after a little investigation as to 'who' should get it. I don't think any of them were thinking of the $$$ when they spotted Shasta! Personally, if it were me, I would give my portion of it to Shasta's family, that to me would be the BIGGEST REWARD knowing they'd benefit from it, my reward would be just knowing she's finally home, where she belongs...with her DAD.It doesn't make a bit of difference to us. But it might make a difference to those getting it. Watch and see.
Sofia
07-03-2005, 11:45 AM
I hope the story inspires more people to pay attention to the photos of missing kids.
CaliKid
07-03-2005, 12:57 PM
I'm just grateful these people kept their eyes open, contacted LE and did what they could to keep Shasta from leaving.
Cowgirl
07-03-2005, 02:11 PM
I hope the story inspires more people to pay attention to the photos of missing kids.Sofia, I try to look at those grainy pix that come in the mail but I hardly see any kids in my journeys. I hope I would recognize one if I were looking, but frankly, I don't try to make contact with kids out in public as I once did. I can remember playing peek-a-boo with little kids on an airplane or smiling at kids in the supermarket, but any more, I am afraid the parents will think I am some kind of nut trying to abduct their child! It is a terrible world these days when someone who is old enough to be a grandmother is afraid others will think she is some pervert!
mysteriew
07-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Earlier, authorities released tapes of two 911 calls -- one from a customer at the Denny's and one from the restaurant's manager -- reporting the presence of a girl they thought might be Shasta.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/03/idaho.children/index.html
Tom'sGirl
07-03-2005, 07:41 PM
Earlier, authorities released tapes of two 911 calls -- one from a customer at the Denny's and one from the restaurant's manager -- reporting the presence of a girl they thought might be Shasta.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/03/idaho.children/index.html
Thanks so much for the link mys, seems the young man called first by the times logged on the tapes.
Also, I was quit taken with this young guys alertness to get the license # and give it to the dispatcher.
Tom'sGirl
07-03-2005, 07:45 PM
Yes, but after seeing the newscasts of it many different times, I believe that the reason she recognized Shasta was that the teenager, Nicholas, pointed Shasta out to her and handed her the newspaper, the Nickelsworth, with Shasta and Dylan's pictures.
I think those two are most deserving, while I think the manager, and the other teen, Chris were not as involved. There should be plenty of money to make a difference in all their lives, and I am sure LE and the feds will work it all out to make everyone happy.
I just saw another interview of Amber, and now she seems to be stretching the story a bit more, in her own favor, as if to insure it is her that gets the reward. My perception only.
ETA Yes, AMBER did do the most thining on her feet so she should get the greatest amount, imo.
I too saw Amber & I think the manager who make the call (after getting the heads up from the two young guys) on an interview on I think Fox while over at my mom's place. I bet we'll see her alot of her on the early morning shows next week.
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/krem2_070205_shasta-found.6848390d.html
(I think the one who spotted Shasta first was actually Nick Chapman, not Chris. ~Liz)
Chris Donlan, a teen who was at the Denny's restaurant on 4th Avenue off Interstate 90 shortly before 2 a.m. with four friends, spotted a girl with Forty-two-year-old Joseph Edward Duncan III of Fargo, North Dakota, getting out of a vehicle and remarked that the girl looked like Shasta Groene to his friend Nick Chapman. The two young men walked past the two inside the restaurant and then looked at a picture of Shasta in a trade magazine and confirmed it was Shasta.
Chris and Nick took down the vehicle's license plate number, confirmed her identity with Denny's waitress Amber Deahn and then both Nick and Amber Deahn called police separately to alert them about the situation. Amber, who was waiting on Duncan and Shasta, thought about what she could do to delay their departure from the restaurant and then went over and asked her if she wanted a treat.
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I was going to post this a couple of night's ago, but didn't get the chance.
On Tuesday, the news gave an update and interviewed Nick Chapman. He has been interviewed by the federal authorities, as they are trying to decide just who the $100,000 reward should go to.
Nick said he thinks he might be nominated to receive half of the reward.
He stated that at the time he called 9-1-1 he had no idea that there was even a reward being offered.
It was also mentioned that the manager of Denny's, Linda Olsen, is also being considered for the other half of the reward.
I don't what to think about that, other than if Linda does get half -- then she should split it with Amber Deahn.
I feel Amber Deahn kept her cool, while detaining Duncan, with her strategic 'milkshake plan' and is definitely a very deserving hero.
Thankfully though, that decision is not in my hands. (But, I do know how I wish for it to be divided!)
I Hope who ever gets the reward even though I know I would never accept one. As I was doing what any good person would do. Donates it to a good cause for Missing People.Heck they were in the right place at the right time. SO WHAT
GOLDHEARTNUMB
07-21-2005, 10:51 PM
There was an article today (wished I could remember where I saw it... think it was on msn news site...) that one of these folks had stated if he recieved the reward money that 10,000 or so was going towards Shasta's fund, if he got it.
Hmmm... looked real quick and found it...
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/krem_071905groenereward.118ec002.html
There was an article today (wished I could remember where I saw it... think it was on msn news site...) that one of these folks had stated if he recieved the reward money that 10,000 or so was going towards Shasta's fund, if he got it.
Hmmm... looked real quick and found it...
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/krem_071905groenereward.118ec002.html
Without reading your article, (but thanks for posting it) your post jarred my memory. Nick Chapman said that IF he got ˝ the reward, he was thinking of giving $10 or $20 grand to Shasta, which I think was a very nice and generous gesture on his behalf.
I disagee with what the other poster said about 'so what' .... I feel that these folks definitely deserve the reward money being offered by the FBI!
Had they not noticed that perverted, sadistic, child predator with Shasta, she may not be alive today. AND he would still be trolling the streets for more children! My 2˘ only, of course.
Nchadwickaz
07-22-2005, 12:01 AM
Heck they were in the right place at the right time. SO WHAT
They were more than just in the right place at the right time. They actually cared -- They didn't just do their job, or mind their own business because they "just didn't want to get involved"...., they didn't just dismiss it as someone that looks like Shasta... they did the RIGHT thing, and as you may think that people always do the right thing -- so what....
....very often people just don't take the time to really get involved -- or they are so self-absorbed in their own life that they don't really care -- they people cared and should be rewarded for "doing the right thing". For that matter the people that were at the gas station (on tape) were at the right place, at the right time -- and she was un-noticed....
Just my opinion -- good things should happen to good people. And as a sidenote I think that it is very generous if they did donate some of the reward money to Shasta -- if again, shows the kid of people that they are.....
The healing of Shasta Groene
Guest opinion
By Susan Kaluza - 07/21/2005
Susan Kaluza
In the early hours of July 2, a waitress in Coeur d' Alene, Idaho handed Shasta Groene a page from a coloring book.
Ten to 15 minutes is all Shasta had to partially complete the coloring of the page. This small window of time was, for all intents and purposes, the first step back into the now unfamiliar territory of her childhood.
Amber Deahn, the waitress who spotted Shasta with convicted sex offender Joseph Duncan, and subsequently called police, pinpointed a seemingly benign, but poignant truth: That Shasta Groene did not act like a normal child would act when handed a coloring book and a box of crayons. What haunts me, still, is this simple act of obedience. For why on earth would it matter to a child, who had been repeatedly raped, to color within the lines?
>>> continued at link
http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2005/07/21/newsopinion/hjjejchijcgbea.txt
First couple paragraphs from 7/21/05 KREM article.
Linda Olsen and Amber Deahn are also mentioned in the piece. Nick Chapman was not even aware there was a reward when he dialed 9-1-1. Nice kid ... observant too, imo.
FBI reward in Groene case could go to two who spotted kidnapped girl
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/krem_071905groenereward.118ec002.htm
Nick Chapman was on a smoke break with friends outside a Coeur d'Alene Denny's Restaurant that July night when he noticed a red Jeep that pulled up and parked right in front of him. "Shasta got out," he recalled. "Then Joseph Duncan got out and walked right beside us."
He said almost immediately his instinct kicked in. "I needed to do something," he told KREM 2 News. "I didn't even think about it. I knew I needed to call the police." The cell phone call he made may net a $100,000 check for Chapman, who is now eligible for the reward posted by the FBI.
Tom'sGirl
07-22-2005, 08:38 PM
"they were in the right place at the right time. SO WHAT"
IMO JDB this was less than an appropriate statement, and not a valid one.
Remember, she had been in a convenience store at the gas station in Kellog with Duncan as seen on the taped surveillance camera looking into everyone's face AND NO ONE RECOGNIZED HER!
This was only about 40 miles from Coeur d'Alene, and a just a few hours earlier.
Now, these people were in the "the right place, at the right time" BUT WEREN'T OBSERVANT as was young Nick Chapman.
Remember, she had been in a convenience store at the gas station in Kellog with Duncan as seen on the taped surveillance camera looking into everyone's face AND NO ONE RECOGNIZED HER!
This was only about 40 miles from Coeur d'Alene, and a just a few hours earlier.
Now, these people were in the "the right place, at the right time" BUT WEREN'T OBSERVANT as was young Nick Chapman.
Exactly, Tom'sGirl!
Cowgirl
07-22-2005, 09:54 PM
Regardless of what any of those who get the reward do with it (and it is strictly their business) I think it is always good for the public at large to learn that the reward money is actually awarded to those who called or took the time and effort to pay attention. Who knows? Maybe the next missing child will get a second glance that will get them rescued just because the person who sees them remembers that someone actually gets the reward. And who cares what a person's motive is in calling the Law when they spot a victim? I am sure the victim--in this case Shasta and her Dad--are quite happy to see those who helped her get a reward! I think most of us know she very well might be dead by now if she had not been spotted that night.
kahskye
07-23-2005, 12:02 AM
Regardless of what any of those who get the reward do with it (and it is strictly their business) I think it is always good for the public at large to learn that the reward money is actually awarded to those who called or took the time and effort to pay attention. Who knows? Maybe the next missing child will get a second glance that will get them rescued just because the person who sees them remembers that someone actually gets the reward. And who cares what a person's motive is in calling the Law when they spot a victim? I am sure the victim--in this case Shasta and her Dad--are quite happy to see those who helped her get a reward! I think most of us know she very well might be dead by now if she had not been spotted that night.
I agree! Who knows, maybe the next missing child might be our own. If my child went missing, the greatest reward for me would be to find her alive and I'd be more than greatful to the person who spotted her to receive the reward. I just thank God that Shasta was noticed and someone called 911 about her and that she's alive and w/ her family.
IMO JDB this was less than an appropriate statement, and not a valid one.
Remember, she had been in a convenience store at the gas station in Kellog with Duncan as seen on the taped surveillance camera looking into everyone's face AND NO ONE RECOGNIZED HER!
This was only about 40 miles from Coeur d'Alene, and a just a few hours earlier.
Now, these people were in the "the right place, at the right time" BUT WEREN'T OBSERVANT as was young Nick Chapman.
You are all missing my point here.What the waitress And the Nick Chapman did was what I hope anyone would do without a thought of a reward. I know for a fact if I saw a missing child. I would never want a reward as I did what a good person would do. And if I got one guess what I would turn right around and donate it to a Missing persons cause.
chicoliving
07-23-2005, 12:42 AM
I got it :) Good to see ya cowboy.
Maybe So
07-24-2005, 06:17 AM
I Hope who ever gets the reward even though I know I would never accept one. As I was doing what any good person would do. Donates it to a good cause for Missing People.Heck they were in the right place at the right time. SO WHAT
This man beat 3 people to death in their home. As far as these people knew he could pull a gun and slaughter them all in that restarant if he got suspicious. They deserve to be rewarded. It wasn't just a matter of doing the right thing...it was a matter of risking themselves to do the right thing.
Tons of other people saw Shasta that day and didn't even notice who she was.
I think she is lucky she ran into some people who paid attention and took action. If the people at Denny's hadn't noticed her who knows what would have happened to her that very same night?
JMHO
Sheriff Rocky Watson today, in a private ceremony, award $4,300 each to Linda Olsen, Denny's Manager and to Amber Deahn, waitress. They were each given the $4300 and given a tour of the investigators "War Room" where all the tips poured in and were investigated.
Tom'sGirl
07-28-2005, 10:22 PM
Sheriff Rocky Watson today, in a private ceremony, award $4,300 each to Linda Olsen, Denny's Manager and to Amber Deahn, waitress. They were each given the $4300 and given a tour of the investigators "War Room" where all the tips poured in and were investigated.What about Nick Chapman :confused: :confused: :confused:
What about Nick Chapman :confused: :confused: :confused:
They got the gold mine and...
I think he got the shaft!
The $100,000 FBI reward has yet to be awarded; so I am holding out hope that Nick is going to get some of that!
I truly think that young man not only spotted the girl first, but also got the paper and showed Amber and alerted her to the fact that Shasta was in the restaurant. However, Linda did make the first call to 9-1-1. And, imo, Amber did do a great deal in detaining the duo.
Unless the perp was just sitting their waiting to be spotted and caught. :shrug:
Tom'sGirl
07-28-2005, 10:41 PM
They got the gold mine and...
I think he got the shaft!
The $100,000 FBI reward has yet to be awarded; so I am holding out hope that Nick is going to get some of that!
I truly think that young man not only spotted the girl first, but also got the paper and showed Amber and alerted her to the fact that Shasta was in the restaurant. However, Linda did make the first call to 9-1-1. And, imo, Amber did do a great deal in detaining the duo.
Unless the perp was just sitting their waiting to be spotted and caught. :shrug:Oh Liz, I sure as hell hope her gets a large sum for crying out loud. He is also the one who got the license plate number.
IF JED HAD LEFT WITH SHASTA THE DENNY'S EMPLOYEES WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN KNOW WHAT VEHICLE HE WAS IN :doh:
Hey Tom'sgirl ---- seems like we're not alone in thinking that Nick got screwed and didn't even get kissed.
With thanks for dragonfly's post today in media links thread ---
Two Denny's employees were rewarded Thursday for their role in the rescue of Shasta Groene earlier this month, but her father thinks another rescuer was shortchanged and is considering giving him his Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
"The fact that Nick wasn't offered any of the reward kind of upset me," Steve Groene said. "If I can rectify that by giving Nick the bike, then that's what I may do."
He continued: "I personally think that reward should've gone to more than Amber and the manager, definitely." The first 911 call was vague and faltering, he said, and would have ended up on the "B pile" had Chapman not made the second, more definite call. Plus, Groene said, other restaurant employees played a role in making sure Duncan did not get away. .
The sheriff's department made the decision based on who placed the first call to authorities.
"Otherwise you'll be splitting hairs or second-guessing yourself," said Sheriff Rocky Watson, who noted that the manager chose to split the money with Deahn.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/groene/story.asp?ID=82474
Tom'sGirl
07-29-2005, 07:36 PM
Hey Tom'sgirl ---- seems like we're not alone in thinking that Nick got screwed and didn't even get kissed.
With thanks for dragonfly's post today in media links thread ---
Two Denny's employees were rewarded Thursday for their role in the rescue of Shasta Groene earlier this month, but her father thinks another rescuer was shortchanged and is considering giving him his Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
"The fact that Nick wasn't offered any of the reward kind of upset me," Steve Groene said. "If I can rectify that by giving Nick the bike, then that's what I may do."
He continued: "I personally think that reward should've gone to more than Amber and the manager, definitely." The first 911 call was vague and faltering, he said, and would have ended up on the "B pile" had Chapman not made the second, more definite call. Plus, Groene said, other restaurant employees played a role in making sure Duncan did not get away. .
The sheriff's department made the decision based on who placed the first call to authorities.
"Otherwise you'll be splitting hairs or second-guessing yourself," said Sheriff Rocky Watson, who noted that the manager chose to split the money with Deahn.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/groene/story.asp?ID=82474
Thanks Liz, but Oh, oh, oh.......I'm soooooo pizzzzzzzed right now :furious:
Crap, I listened to those 911 calls (no longer available for some reason) and Linda the manager was so "ify" saying well, ya know it may or may not be her(or something to that effect) Then when the dispatcher would ask her questions like JED's description she would ask Amber and it was a three-way conversation going on.
Then, either Amber or Linda, and sometimes both were on several morning shows taking all the glory.
NEVER did they mention that Chapman brought it to Amber's attention as Shasta being in Denny's.
Another thing, what about the FBI Reward money, certainly these two women won't get some of it also will they:confused:
I'm so freakin mad, I could just purge!:sick:
Calm, down, now Tom'sgirl ... no need in getting sick over it. Nick's probably taking it better than you are.
I noticed when Geraldo had both Nick and Amber on, and Nick was telling Geraldo how there was no way that Duncan was leaving there with Shasta ... it just wasn't going to happen. Amber looked over at Nick and kinda patted his forearm, saying something like, "Oh you didn't have to worry --- we had it covered" (not verbatim). I could tell right then what she was up to.
I am praying that Nick gets 1/2 of the FBI's reward money! He truly deserves it, imo! I think he was very observant, especially for a teenager.
Tom'sGirl
07-29-2005, 07:54 PM
Calm, down, now Tom'sgirl ... no need in getting sick over it. Nick's probably taking it better than you are.
I noticed when Geraldo had both Nick and Amber on, and Nick was telling Geraldo how there was no way that Duncan was leaving there with Shasta ... it just wasn't going to happen. Amber looked over at Nick and kinda patted his forearm, saying something like, "Oh you didn't have to worry --- we had it covered" (not verbatim). I could tell right then what she was up to.
I am praying that Nick gets 1/2 of the FBI's reward money! He truly deserves it, imo! I think he was very observant, especially for a teenager.You're right Liz, I'll TRY to calm down :banghead:
Ooops, no, I'm still mad. Guess I better not have the coffee I was thinking of making :rolleyes:
Cowgirl
07-29-2005, 10:34 PM
It's probably none of my business but I wonder why, since he recognized Shasta right away, declared they were not leaving, alerted others about it, and took down a license plate, why was he NOT the first one to call the cops? Would that not be the first thing he should have done and not the last? The ladies inside took some time in checking out Shasta too, so there was a big gap between the time he says he recognized Shasta and when he called the cops...
Cops are notorious for taking their good time unless someone says it is an out and out emergency, and it sounded from reports that they didn't get there in just a second. If the waitress had not had the presence of mind to stall them in Denny's they could have left long before LE got there. And then, if they stood around giving descriptions and trying to decide well, it looked like her, but we are not sure... the opportunity would have been lost. Regardless of who saw her first, it was Amber's wit that saved Shasta's life.
Nick has already said he doesn't want the bike...
Tom'sGirl
07-29-2005, 11:08 PM
It's probably none of my business but I wonder why, since he recognized Shasta right away, declared they were not leaving, alerted others about it, and took down a license plate, why was he NOT the first one to call the cops? Would that not be the first thing he should have done and not the last? The ladies inside took some time in checking out Shasta too, so there was a big gap between the time he says he recognized Shasta and when he called the cops...
Cops are notorious for taking their good time unless someone says it is an out and out emergency, and it sounded from reports that they didn't get there in just a second. If the waitress had not had the presence of mind to stall them in Denny's they could have left long before LE got there. And then, if they stood around giving descriptions and trying to decide well, it looked like her, but we are not sure... the opportunity would have been lost. Regardless of who saw her first, it was Amber's wit that saved Shasta's life.
Nick has already said he doesn't want the bike...
Some good points CG, but as Steve said, "The first 911 call was vague and faltering, he said, and would have ended up on the "B pile" had Chapman not made the second, more definite call.
Cowgirl
07-30-2005, 12:21 AM
I haven't heard or read the transcript of the 9-1-1 calls, but whoever has the reward money must be basing their distributions on something. There may even be some rules that govern such things -- like you have to be the first caller or something, I don't know. But it would not be the first time a 9-1-1 operator blew it. We had one here in Dallas who was recorded snoring on the phone with the caller. Snoring! How must that feel? You are going on and on about your problem and the guy is snoring on the other end!
With as few sightings of Shasta as they had up till then, you would think they would dispatch cops the second they heard, "I think it might be..." from anyone!
Sofia
07-30-2005, 03:48 PM
I'll bet none of them really care about the money.
Cowgirl
07-30-2005, 10:40 PM
I'll bet none of them really care about the money.I think you are right Sofia. I hope it doesn't cause hard feelings, but no one involved was thinking of the reward when they called the cops that night, in my opinion.
mysteriew
07-31-2005, 02:08 AM
It's probably none of my business but I wonder why, since he recognized Shasta right away, declared they were not leaving, alerted others about it, and took down a license plate, why was he NOT the first one to call the cops? Would that not be the first thing he should have done and not the last? The ladies inside took some time in checking out Shasta too, so there was a big gap between the time he says he recognized Shasta and when he called the cops...
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Maybe because he went back outside to get the license plate number and to make his call from outside so that it wouldn't alert the POS sitting inside? The way it was done made it too much like a contest- the reward goes to caller number 1 (who generously shared the reward with her co worker, all the while ignoring the kid who told her of the resemblance and went outside to get the license number).
Cowgirl
07-31-2005, 12:47 PM
Maybe because he went back outside to get the license plate number and to make his call from outside so that it wouldn't alert the POS sitting inside? The way it was done made it too much like a contest- the reward goes to caller number 1 (who generously shared the reward with her co worker, all the while ignoring the kid who told her of the resemblance and went outside to get the license number).Hmmm...well, apparently, whoever was in charge of deciding who would get the money did not know all that or consider it. Even if the young man did get the plate number, etc, he should have called the police first. After all, when he went in to speak the employees in Denny's, if they had looked in Duncan's direction, he could have been spooked and could have taken off. I don't know, this is just guessing, but I wonder why the person in charge of deciding who got what would want to snub the "real hero" if indeed he was?
KXLY just reported that today Amber Deahn and Linda Olsen were recognized by Idaho Senator Mike Crapo, as he presented them with "The Spirit of Idaho Award".
If I'm not mistaken, this award is a way to recognize Idahoan's for their (usually otherwise unrecognized) significant contributions to their community.
Way to go, Amber and Linda! :clap: :clap:
concernedperson
08-20-2005, 08:38 PM
KXLY just reported that today Amber Deahn and Linda Olsen were recognized by Idaho Senator Mike Crapo, as he presented them with "The Spirit of Idaho Award".
If I'm not mistaken, this award is a way to recognize Idahoan's for their (usually otherwise unrecognized) significant contributions to their community.
Way to go, Amber and Linda! :clap: :clap:
Good thing and good for the community. So much time is spent on trivia and when we see people really coming forward we have to praise them. Their worth in our communities bespeaks the effort and humanity. Hooray for heroes dressed in everyday clothes. Do the hard thing and do it without reward.
Good thing and good for the community. So much time is spent on trivia and when we see people really coming forward we have to praise them. Their worth in our communities bespeaks the effort and humanity. Hooray for heroes dressed in everyday clothes. Do the hard thing and do it without reward.
Yep, cp. Good for the community and for Shasta, for sure. But, good for the entire country, in this creep's case. No telling what state he may have struck out in the future if he hadn't been apprehended; although Coeur d'Alene might have been his next choice.
6 pm news just showed Amber and Linda again, and they were just ecstatic about receiving this award.
Especially Linda --- she said that was all she needed. Amber said that everyone has a calling and she felt she'd found hers. She intends to make this her lifelong purpose in the future. I've heard in the past that she intends to start a foundation for missing kids.
Today they each received a certificate and a flag that has flown over the Capitol Building, presented by U.S. Senator Mike Crapo.
Video available at link >>>
http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=44815
The two women who helped to identify Shasta Groene are being honored for their heroism.
U.S. Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) handed Linda Olson and Amber Deahn the Spirit Of Idaho award Saturday. Crapo says he gave it to the two women because their input made a difference in Shasta Groene's life.
The two Denny's waitresses recognized the 8-year-old girl when she came into the restaurant early in the morning of July 2nd in the company of Joseph Edward Duncan. While Olson called 9-1-1, Deahn talked to Duncan and Shasta and talked the girl into ordering a milkshake. Then she stalled on making the shake until police arrived and arrested Duncan, ending 47 days of captivity for Shasta.
As part of the award they each received a certificate and a flag. Two-hundred Spirit of idaho awards have been handed out since the honor got its start five years ago.
concernedperson
08-21-2005, 09:46 PM
Video available at link >>>
http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=44815
The two women who helped to identify Shasta Groene are being honored for their heroism.
U.S. Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) handed Linda Olson and Amber Deahn the Spirit Of Idaho award Saturday. Crapo says he gave it to the two women because their input made a difference in Shasta Groene's life.
The two Denny's waitresses recognized the 8-year-old girl when she came into the restaurant early in the morning of July 2nd in the company of Joseph Edward Duncan. While Olson called 9-1-1, Deahn talked to Duncan and Shasta and talked the girl into ordering a milkshake. Then she stalled on making the shake until police arrived and arrested Duncan, ending 47 days of captivity for Shasta.
As part of the award they each received a certificate and a flag. Two-hundred Spirit of idaho awards have been handed out since the honor got its start five years ago.
This absolutely warms my heart and gives me all the fortitude to go forward. It is humanity at its best. We need to hear of these kind of things and always bear the wherewithall to do the hard thing. Kudos to the state of Idaho!!!
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2005/08/26/news/mtregional/news03.txt
Friday, August 26, 2005
Special Agent Brent Robbins said it's not yet determined who else might be eligible for the reward money, but Deahn will get some amount. The money will be disbursed in about two weeks, Robbins said. Deahn said she'll remain skeptical until she sees the money, but she intends to start a foundation dedicated to locating missing children.
It's always been something that touched my heart, and with the money I could afford to make it a reality." Deahn has already received about $4,300 from local businesses. She used that money to create a Web site for the foundation. Soon, with the help of her mother, it will be up and running at www.americasmissingangels.com.
"If I get this money, it will allow me to do something great for the nation," she said.
Deahn, an expectant mother with a due date this fall, said she'll have to use some of the reward to care for her family. But she said the remainder will go to the foundation.
"There's no reason I should sit around and wait for something like this to happen to my children," Deahn said. "I want to help other families bring their children home."
>>> continued at link
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Bravo! Way to go, Amber! :clap: What a fantastic use for some of her share of the reward money!
I wish her a world of success with her foundation!!
tired.old.hag
08-27-2005, 06:55 AM
I bet if these people were all in a room with the door closed, and the full amount of the reward in cash on the table, they'd be able to divvy it up quickly so they all felt it was fair. Somehow I get the feeling that they'd push more piles of cash at each other than they'd grab.
Or hey! Get Mark Burnett involved and he can make a reality show out of them dividing it up lol.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/krem2_091405_FBI-duncan-reward.5a4d1e03.html
According to KREM news, the FBI will be awarding the $100,000 reward tomorrow. Allegedly the reward money will be divided equally between two Denny's employees - Amber Deahn and Linda Olsen; and two customers - Nick Chapman and Chris Donlan.
:clap: Kudos to all of them!
Additional snippets to ones posted in the medial links thread, from 9/14 Seattle Post Intelligencer.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=ID%20Duncan%20Slayings%20Heroes
Police documents and interviews with officers describe what happened:
Chapman, 21, and Donlan, 18, were outside the restaurant, smoking cigarettes. They immediately recognized Shasta from the numerous posters that had been plastered across the region. The two tried to get the attention of their two female companions inside.
At 1:41 a.m., Donlan text-messaged "that little girl looks line (sic) that Shasta girl" to his girlfriend.
The pair wrote down the license number of Duncan's vehicle and went inside. They grabbed a newspaper that had a picture of the missing girl, and showed the photo to an employee. Then they sat at a table with their girlfriends and tried to keep an eye on Duncan without being obvious.
Deahn, 24, six months pregnant, consulted with Olson, and decided that Deahn would try to keep Duncan and Shasta inside while Olson called police. The manager called at 1:51 a.m., while Deahn went to the table to offer the girl crayons and a promotional mask from the film "Madagascar."
Meanwhile, Chapman became worried when no police cars arrived, and called 911 at 1:55 a.m. He was told that officers were already on the way.
Deahn was taking steps to keep Duncan and Shasta inside the restaurant. She offered Shasta a milk shake as a dessert, and then named all the flavors the girl could order.
Deahn took her time making an adult size shake, which she figured the girl would take longer to finish.
Chapman said three police cruisers arrived, with lights and sirens off, about 10 minutes after his call. When the first pulled into the parking lot, Duncan abruptly took Shasta and went to the restrooms while calling for the check.
Denny's cooks moved to block the back entrance, and Chapman and Donlan braced themselves to tackle Duncan should he break for the door.
But when the officers came in, Duncan was arrested without incident.
Deahn, who has an 18-month-old daughter, recently gave birth to a second child and is on maternity leave.
>>> continued at link
dragonfly
09-15-2005, 08:41 AM
I posted this on the Calif. Murders thread as well but Amber Deane is in the news in California as well.
http://www.krem.com/sharedcontent/southwest/pecom/duncan/breakout/PE_News_Local_H_card02.18685a7c.html
By STEVE MOORE / The Press-Enterprise
BEAUMONT - They penned heartfelt thanks Thursday for a gutsy Idaho waitress who authorities say turned in the man being investigated in connection with the slaying of Anthony Martinez.
About 40 people gathered at the Beaumont Civic Center and signed a banner that will be delivered to the waitress.
Diana Medina, the slain youngster's mother, signed first after flying in from Northern California for the event.
"Thank you so much for coming forward. You have helped bring many answers to my family," Medina wrote high up in the left hand corner.
Other messages ranged from a simple "God Bless You" to poignant words by Greg Persall: "By one simple phone call, you brought relief to an entire city and may have saved countless lives."
Waitress Amber Deahn will get the 4- by 8-foot vinyl banner in a few weeks when it is personally delivered by a group from the San Gorgonio Pass. Others will have an opportunity to sign before then.
Deahn, on maternity leave, said by phone from Idaho, "I really just don't have the words for it. It's so sweet and I'm so thankful."
She became a tipster at 2 a.m. July 2 at a Denny's restaurant about two hours south of the U.S.-Canada border. The waitress spotted a missing 8-year-old girl, whose face was on a wanted poster in the restaurant. The youngster sat at a table with Joseph Edward Duncan III.
Duncan is under investigation in Anthony Martinez's death and has not been charged. He has pleaded not guilty in Idaho to charges he bound and killed three people in a scheme authorities say was designed to abduct youngsters for sex.
Hammerized
09-15-2005, 10:56 AM
Allegedly the reward money will be divided equally between two Denny's employees - Amber Deahn and Linda Olsen; and two customers - Nick Chapman and Chris Donlan.
Wonderful! They ALL deserve it.
The Attorney General’s Award for Meritorious Public Service recognizes the most significant contributions of citizens who have assisted the Department in the accomplishment of its mission and objectives. Phillip Nicholas Chapman, Christopher M. Donlan, Amber Marie Deahn, and Linda C. Olson were honored today for their heroic and selfless efforts which led to the rescue of Shasta Groene and the arrest of her abductor, Joseph Edward Duncan, III, in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho on July 2, 2005. At approximately 1:53 A.M. PT, Joseph Duncan and Shasta Groene walked into a Denny’s restaurant in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. Duncan had brutally killed members of Groene’s family a few months before. Working for Denny’s at the time were manager Linda C. Olson and waitress Amber M. Deahn. Ms. Deahn identified the girl from the extensive media coverage the case had received and directed her manager to call 911. Ms. Deahn offered Ms. Groene a milkshake as a delaying tactic. At the same time, Phillip N. Chapman and Christopher M. Donlan, who were patrons seated nearby, also recognized Ms. Groene from media reports and walked outside the restaurant to observe Duncan, who had gone outside to smoke. They identified his vehicle and recorded the license plate number. Responding officers soon arrived and arrested Duncan. As a result of their efforts, a violent killer and child sexual predator was arrested and an abducted child was recovered.
http://www.lawweekcolorado.com/index.cfm/fuseAction/Home.DisplayArticle/CategoryID/9/ArticleID/5421.html
In this week of 9/11, as we remember the heroes of that tragic date, I felt we should also remember these heroes who saved Shasta Groene from someone so evil I can hardly call it a human being. Congratulations to you four heroes :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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