Known places Duncan has been

[mysteriew]

For the ease of persons who may be looking for unsolved crimes/missing children lets all list the areas that Duncan has been known to be in and the approx dates if known. Not just the ones since the murders, but also the ones he mentioned in the blogs and geo cachng sites.

For instance: April 2005 Fargo N.D. His home address
July 2005 Cor D Alene where he was picked up with Shasta

A ski trip? mentioned in his blog (I don't know dates or exact locations)

A trip to Fla. mentioned in his blog, he stayed in a "resort" (I don't know dates or exact locations)

[Linda104]

This is odd. I went back to the geocaching.com site to verify that he was in Washington on December 26, 2004. That entry has been deleted. The only one that could have deleted it would be the owner of the cache, Duncan's friend/relative "Spyder".

I don't understand why he is hiding the fact that Duncan was in Washington in December.

[Linda104]

Also, "Spyder" changed the location of the cache right after Duncan's visit. We'll never know where it was originally located.

[Cowgirl]

I have a partial timeline. It does not have his vacations to Florida or skiing.

1976...Tacoma WA--At age 12 started raping 6-10 yo kids, tying them up and using a gun to do it
1979...Ft Lewis WA--First offended age 15, stole car, police chase, probation at a boy's ranch, 150 hours community service
1-1980...Ft Lewis WA--Dropped out of High School, age 16, then same month more trouble, see next item
1-1980...Tacoma WA--16 years old, stole gun, raped 14 yo boy, got 20 years-suspended, Pierce County sheriff says he stole guns, beat, raped and burned his boy victim
1980...Pierce Co WA--Sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital
3-1982...Pierce Co WA--Doctors diagnosed Duncan as passive-aggressive w/schizoid features and as a sexual sadist, revoked suspended sentence for leaving grounds twice/peeped in windows, sent to state pen
9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years (actually released several times but kept violating)
1996...Pierce Co WA--Busted for pot/gun charge, parole revocation hearing held but just enhanced his reporting rules and didn't send him back to prison
1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997
8-1997...Kansas City MO--Failed to register, arrested by FBI, returned to prison on parole violation (back to Washington) so new charge dropped
7-14-00...Tacoma WA--Released from prison (discharged so no parole)
7-24-00...Fargo ND--Registered as sex offender in Fargo, job at Teleforce Inc and went to school at ND State Univ
2000-01...Fargo ND--As university student made deans list twice, called wonderful employee
7-3-04...Becker Co MN--Offense on 2 boys-Detroit Lakes, MN (50 mi E of Fargo) pulled down pants/touched 6 yo, had videocamera, at playground/attempt on 8 yo/ who ID'd him and red Pontiac Grand Am/his pic on sex offender database
4-15-05...Becker Co MN--Court appearance for accusation of two boys, now 7 and 9, bail set at $15K cash and he posted it in Detroit Lakes
4-15-05...St Paul MN--Rented red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, due back 4-20, must have left his own red Grand Am at agency
4-18/22-05...Becker Co MN--Failed to report to probation officer during week, bail revoked
4-27-05...Newton Co MO--License plates stolen from Newton County, MO (Joplin area)
5-4-05...St Paul MN--Red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee reported stolen
5-1/15-05...Bighorn Canyon Natl Park WY--discarded car tag found in/near dumpster
5-6-05...Fargo ND--Arrest warrant issued for failure to report
5-13-05...website--Blog entry about turning self in, may die first or hurt "society"
5-15-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--BBQ held, last day kids seen
5-16-05...Becker Co MN--Missed court date for Detroit Lakes offense
5-16-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Bodies found but kids missing, Steve Groene (father) begs for the kids to be surrendered
5-17-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner sought and Amber alert issued for Groene kids
5-18-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner surrenders, passes polygraph, released and cleared
5-19-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Autopsies show drugs in bodies of the dead
5-20/22-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Steve Groene volunteers for polygraph as he feels suspect/fails part of polygraph, swears innocence
7-2-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan arrested in Denny's at 2-3:00am with Shasta Groene
7-4-05...Western Montana--Probable remains of Dylan Groene found/sent to Quantico VA for ID
7-5-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan's first court appearance

To get acclimated, Fargo ND was his home before going to court 5-15-05. Minneapolis/St Paul is 235 miles southeast of Fargo and Detroit Lakes is on the way, about 50 miles due east, from Fargo. On 4-15, he went to court in Detroit Lakes (Becker Co), posted bond, and went southeast to St Paul to rent the Jeep. That was a Friday and it was due back the following Wednesday, the 20th. On 4-27 he stole license plates in the Joplin, MO area, which is almost 600 miles south of St Paul. Then he must have headed northwest to the Wyoming/Montana border (Bighorn Canyon) which is where the key tag from the Jeep was found the first week of May or so, at least 1200 miles from Joplin by roads. Perhaps he camped there? Then at some point he probably went northwest on I90 which meanders through Billings to Butte to Missoula and finally to Coeur D'Alene. It has to be another 600 to 700 miles, so this guy did some traveling. He may have taken any of several routes to Montana, but he picked up I90 at Bighorn.

[indigomood]

December 2003 in Fargo, ND...


http://www.farnuckl.com/Superlifer/gallery.htm

jetd63's guestbook entry for a now defunct band called superlifer that played at Rick's bar...

December 20, 2003 - 11:07 PM
Jet from Fargo
jetd63@cableone.net
Where did you see us?
Ricks
Comments:
You guys rock, great energy!

[kpass]

7-3-04...Becker Co MN--Offense on 2 boys-Detroit Lakes, MN (50 mi E of Fargo) pulled down pants/touched 6 yo, had videocamera, at playground/attempt on 8 yo/ who ID'd him and red Pontiac Grand Am/his pic on sex offender database
4-15-05...Becker Co MN--Court appearance for accusation of two boys, now 7 and 9, bail set at $15K cash and he posted it in Detroit Lakes

WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW THE HELL WAS THIS GUY OUT ON THE STREET??? I'M SORRY, BUT JUSTICE FAILED HERE, THE BAIL WAS SET WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO LOW, ACTUALLY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD WITHOUT BOND! GET THIS JUDGE OFF THE BENCH! :furious:

[Cowgirl]

Also, "Spyder" changed the location of the cache right after Duncan's visit. We'll never know where it was originally located.Maybe trying to distance himself from any association, but it is too late. The FBI computer geeks will know how to retrieve anything deleted or changed lately. With the media all over his internet business and all these nice trails for LE to follow, they will be busy.

It is wonderful that this son of a biatch has given them so much evidence, isn't it? The jury will love seeing how his sick little brain works.

[Amster]

Hi Cowgirl....

Is it known where the remains that may be Dylan were found? Was it Glacier Natl. Park?

Thanks for the list of places that this POS is known to have traveled.

[Cowgirl]

Hi Cowgirl....

Is it known where the remains that may be Dylan were found? Was it Glacier Natl. Park?

Thanks for the list of places that this POS is known to have traveled.Hi Amster. The only thing Wolfinger said was that they were searching in several locations in western Montana and northern Idaho. That panhandle of Idaho is under 100 miles wide. When they found the remains all they said was western Montana. When you look at a map, all there is on both sides of the Montana/Idaho border are state parks and national forests and campgrounds, but Wofinger did not specify. There are half a dozen different names up in that area, per my Atlas.

[Amster]

Hi Amster. The only thing Wolfinger said was that they were searching in several locations in western Montana and northern Idaho. That panhandle of Idaho is under 100 miles wide. When they found the remains all they said was western Montana. When you look at a map, all there is on both sides of the Montana/Idaho border are state parks and national forests and campgrounds, but Wofinger did not specify. There are half a dozen different names up in that area, per my Atlas.
ok...thanks...we were in Glacier June 20-24th. At St. Marys Resort. I think it's too far east to be considered western Montana. Things like this make me ill.

[close_enough]

yikes...how did i miss this thread????....good work, Cowgirl!!...lots of info here...

[indigomood]

Great job Cowgirl! :clap: :clap:

[indigomood]

Friday, February 20, 2004

¶ 9:31 PM
I went skiing yesterday with two of the people I work with. The CEO, who brought his five year old son, and the Network Administrator who actually brought his own snowboard. It was a lot of fun, but a little akward. I learned a lot and look forward to going again soon, which will likely be this weekend since when I got home last night I found a free days lift pass and ski rental from Andes Towers where I went skiing! Posted by: Joe

http://www.andestowerhills.com/

[Cowgirl]

Thanks, Indigomood, I'm updating. Anyone know when he was in Florida? I know he was in Tampa because he mentioned it, but I forgot to make note of when.

Have updated locale of remains to St Regis MT.

[close_enough]

Thanks, Indigomood, I'm updating. Anyone know when he was in Florida? I know he was in Tampa because he mentioned it, but I forgot to make note of when.

he claims he was in Key West the weekend before March 17th...per his blog

[Cowgirl]

he claims he was in Key West a week before March 17th, from what i remember...Was that this year, close? I will go check the part of his blog I copied. I am staying away from his blog now but I copied a lot of it for some reason...I don't really know why by it is evil, so I don't like to look at it.

[indigomood]

Thanks, Indigomood, I'm updating. Anyone know when he was in Florida? I know he was in Tampa because he mentioned it, but I forgot to make note of when.


Monday, March 01, 2004
Daily Torment
¶ 8:47 AM
Just got back from Florida visiting my friend and his family. I had a lot of fun and I felt very welcomed by my friends family even though they know full well about my past. We Spent a day in Epcot Center at Disney World, that was a lot of fun. Then we drove to Tampa (where he lives) and I got to eat at some great local restaurants having terrific seafood. We also went to the Strawberry Festival which was a pretty big fair and also a lot of fun. I like traveling because I feel more "normal" because of the anonymity of being a traveler. For example, at the Tampa airport they called my name over the intercom to ask me if I wanted to switch to an emergency exit row seat, I did not cringe when they called my name the way I do when I am around where I live. In fact, when I got to Minneapolis to change planes and continue home, I immediately started feeling self conscious. At the gate where we were boarding for the last hop every time I saw someone looking at me I thought they recognized me (as a sex offender) because they might remember me from the police web site or newspapers. I don't know how the courts can pretend this law does not penalize sex offenders. It is a daily torment for me. Posted by: Joe

[close_enough]

Was that this year, close? I will go check the part of his blog I copied. I am staying away from his blog now but I copied a lot of it for some reason...I don't really know why by it is evil, so I don't like to look at it.

it was on the most recent page of his blog....2005

[close_enough]

Thursday, March 17, 2005

Micro-Vacation

I wrote the previous blog on the back of my flight itinerary while sitting at a patio table at a resort in Key West Florida this last weekend.

here ya go, cowgirl...

[indigomood]

Thursday, April 29, 2004
Ouch!
¶ 11:42 PM
Well, I have been busy. The weekend before last I was in Ft. Lauderdale Florida visiting my "Doctor Friend" (as my family calls him) who was there taking a class toward his second doctorate. It was just a short trip, mostly to visit, and sort of a mini-vacation. I tried to make a dive trip out of it, but the ocean was too choppy and I was completely exhausted before I even got past the surf, much less out to the reef. It was still fun though.

Then, just last weekend I had my "Retired-Teacher Friend" from Concord California visiting for the weekend. I'm not sure if he enjoyed his visit, he doesn't care for cats very much and I have two. We drove down to Minneapolis and saw the Mall of America and rode some of the rides. That was fun.

Oh, I almost forgot; while I was in Florida I injured my toe trying to play basketball with a black kid (I let him win). I knew I was going to loose the nail, but I guess I didn't want to wait for it to come off so when I got home a few days later I stubbed it on the stairs coming into my apartment and ripped it off (yes, ouch!). It didn't come all the way off, so I went to the hospital the next day and they took it the rest of the way off and gave me a prescription for penicillin (it was a little infected). It feels a lot better now, but looks terrible! Posted by: Joe

[Beyond Belief]

Monday, March 01, 2004
Daily Torment
¶ 8:47 AM
Just got back from Florida visiting my friend and his family. I had a lot of fun and I felt very welcomed by my friends family even though they know full well about my past. We Spent a day in Epcot Center at Disney World, that was a lot of fun. Then we drove to Tampa (where he lives) and I got to eat at some great local restaurants having terrific seafood. We also went to the Strawberry Festival which was a pretty big fair and also a lot of fun. I like traveling because I feel more "normal" because of the anonymity of being a traveler. For example, at the Tampa airport they called my name over the intercom to ask me if I wanted to switch to an emergency exit row seat, I did not cringe when they called my name the way I do when I am around where I live. In fact, when I got to Minneapolis to change planes and continue home, I immediately started feeling self conscious. At the gate where we were boarding for the last hop every time I saw someone looking at me I thought they recognized me (as a sex offender) because they might remember me from the police web site or newspapers. I don't know how the courts can pretend this law does not penalize sex offenders. It is a daily torment for me. Posted by: JoeThe Strawberry Festival was right after Jessica Lunsford case. Its in the area of Homosassa. I'd have to look it up to see exactly where.Florida Strawberry Festival: March 3-13, 2005
From Tampa, take I-4 East towards Orlando. Exit at Thonotosassa Road (Exit 19 - SR 566 - Old Exit 11). Turn right on Thonotosassa Road and travel through red light onto Lemon Street. At 4-way stop turn right on Oak Street. The ticket office is approximately two blocks on the left.
From Orlando, take I-4 West towards Tampa. Exit at Thonotosassa Road (Exit 19 - SR 566 - Old Exit 11). Turn left on Thonotosassa Road and travel through red light onto Lemon Street. At 4-way stop turn right on Oak Street. The ticket office is approximately two blocks on the left

Added dates for 2004;


the 2004 Strawberry Festival is the place to be from February 26 to March 7.

February 26 2004 was a Thursday. Feb 29 was Sunday.

[Cowgirl]

Thanks, I am set. I know it may not seem to matter with so many places to find info, but I always find timelines really handy in every case I follow. Thanks for the help!

I am focused right now on that July 3, 2004 molestation. The kids identified him from a sex abuser database using his car description and photo of him. So that means he was not arrested on the spot, but there had to be an arrest shortly after that and since two states are involved, there may be a record someplace. His court date didn't come up until April 15th of this year. It seems he would have had to have a bond unless he was just sent a subpoena, but that is kind of hard to imagine with a child molester, isn't it? Hard to tell. I know someone who got ID'd as being involved in a bar fight once and got a mail subpoena for an assault charge. So it depends on the state, I guess. This person had no priors though. Anyone know how things like that work in Minnesota? This guy Duncan was/is a class III registered sex offender, for crying out loud! How could they just subpoena him like that? The reason I think they did is he didn't have to post the bond until he went to court on April 15th. Strange, huh?

[Beyond Belief]

Thanks, I am set. I know it may not seem to matter with so many places to find info, but I always find timelines really handy in every case I follow. Thanks for the help!
I really appreciate the timeline. I just checked Florida for the end of Feb.2004 for missing children. There are none.

[Beyond Belief]

Thanks, I am set. I know it may not seem to matter with so many places to find info, but I always find timelines really handy in every case I follow. Thanks for the help!

I am focused right now on that July 3, 2004 molestation. The kids identified him from a sex abuser database using his car description and photo of him. So that means he was not arrested on the spot, but there had to be an arrest shortly after that and since two states are involved, there may be a record someplace. His court date didn't come up until April 15th of this year. It seems he would have had to have a bond unless he was just sent a subpoena, but that is kind of hard to imagine with a child molester, isn't it? Hard to tell. I know someone who got ID'd as being involved in a bar fight once and got a mail subpoena for an assault charge. So it depends on the state, I guess. This person had no priors though. Anyone know how things like that work in Minnesota? This guy Duncan was/is a class III registered sex offender, for crying out loud! How could they just subpoena him like that? The reason I think they did is he didn't have to post the bond until he went to court on April 15th. Strange, huh?
Ironic that he was captured july 2, 2005. I wonder if he had some horrible plan for Shasta on the 3rd, the anniversary of his other deed.

[akgal]

Thursday, April 29, 2004
Ouch!
¶ 11:42 PM
Well, I have been busy. The weekend before last I was in Ft. Lauderdale Florida visiting my "Doctor Friend" (as my family calls him) who was there taking a class toward his second doctorate. It was just a short trip, mostly to visit, and sort of a mini-vacation. I tried to make a dive trip out of it, but the ocean was too choppy and I was completely exhausted before I even got past the surf, much less out to the reef. It was still fun though.

Then, just last weekend I had my "Retired-Teacher Friend" from Concord California visiting for the weekend. I'm not sure if he enjoyed his visit, he doesn't care for cats very much and I have two. We drove down to Minneapolis and saw the Mall of America and rode some of the rides. That was fun.

Oh, I almost forgot; while I was in Florida I injured my toe trying to play basketball with a black kid (I let him win). I knew I was going to loose the nail, but I guess I didn't want to wait for it to come off so when I got home a few days later I stubbed it on the stairs coming into my apartment and ripped it off (yes, ouch!). It didn't come all the way off, so I went to the hospital the next day and they took it the rest of the way off and gave me a prescription for penicillin (it was a little infected). It feels a lot better now, but looks terrible! Posted by: Joe

I'm wondering if his "doctor friend" and "retired-teacher friend" are also sex offenders. Makes me sick!

[JerseyGirl]

A banner on the bottom of the FOX screen just said "FBI: We believe Shasta was with Duncan since last week". What does that mean?

[CaliKid]

It sounds as if she was passed off to him.

[mysteriew]

Okay now. How about a record of everytime that Duncan mentioned a child. Now that we have some idea where he admitted being, lets find every time he mentions a child. Maybe we can come up with some kind of pattern.

[Wayne]

It sounds as if she was passed off to him.
I agree CaliKid.

If she was handed-off to him, maybe - just maybe - Duncan may not have known the Denny's and stores he was stopping at were in fact Shasta's home town.

[Gracelin]

I agree CaliKid.

It sounds as if she was passed off to him.



.
Me too, I think if he had her only one week she was handed off good lord...
Wayne you may have been so right about this underground child sex ring.. This case may bring America's dirty little secret right into our livingrooms, and we will all have to stop pretending it dosen't exist, I personally had resisted this theory.

[mysteriew]

Fox is saying Shasta may have only been with him for a week, yet CNN is giving this information from LE.



"Combined with all the evidence the investigators were able to obtain in those first six to 12 hours and the fact that this is one of the many sites where we believe that Duncan held the Groene children, or stayed with the Groene children, over those last six or seven weeks, and then finding the remains -- that just all leads us to believe that these are most likely remains of Dylan," Wolfinger said. " However, we're not going to make that a hundred percent until we get the DNA confirmation later in the week."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/05/idaho.children/

[SUSANSTARR]

Okay now. How about a record of everytime that Duncan mentioned a child. Now that we have some idea where he admitted being, lets find every time he mentions a child. Maybe we can come up with some kind of pattern.


On his blog he mentioned Leann Warner. He said now where was i? I have to think back because LE will be questioning me if I was anywhere near there. He said he had to think where he was every time a child went missing. He wanted to be ready with answers just in case. I think this may have been a sneaky way of saying he may have or may have not. Games I don't have the blog link, I wish I paid more attention. I can't remember what it was dated.

[Casshew]

Shasta was only with Duncan for a week??

[dragonfly]

No she was taken from the home on May 15th...by this perp. Just caught a piece of a report on Fox new about 6pm est.

[mysteriew]

Shasta was only with Duncan for a week??

I was actually responding to Jersey Girl's post earlier in the thread.


JerseyGirl
A banner on the bottom of the FOX screen just said "FBI: We believe Shasta was with Duncan since last week". What does that mean?

[RTC]

I wonder if he was involved in the Jennifer Short case? Jennifer was taken from her home after both her parents were shot in the head. Her body was finallyrecovered. No one has ever been convicted.

[Maybe So]

Boy, I would look at this guy close in the Jacob Wetterling case but I think he was in prison at the time? unless he was out on parole for a short time in Oct 89.

[scifier]

I posted somewhere else that I believe that Duncan has visited and even posted regarding this case. I did some investigating and I found some interesting posts. I do not want to accuse someone of being him and turn out to be wrong with egg on my face. This is just a theory. But after reading his (Duncans) blogs, I found similarities in misspelled words, thoughts, etc. It may be nothing but sheer coincidence, but he was an avid internet user and it would seem likely that he was following this case in the news and on the internet. Please do the search as I and you be the judge. Just MO.

[SewingDeb]

I posted somewhere else that I believe that Duncan has visited and even posted regarding this case. I did some investigating and I found some interesting posts. I do not want to accuse someone of being him and turn out to be wrong with egg on my face. This is just a theory. But after reading his (Duncans) blogs, I found similarities in misspelled words, thoughts, etc. It may be nothing but sheer coincidence, but he was an avid internet user and it would seem likely that he was following this case in the news and on the internet. Please do the search as I and you be the judge. Just MO.

Which thread? Or did this person post in all of the Groene threads? That is very interesting!

[SewingDeb]

I posted somewhere else that I believe that Duncan has visited and even posted regarding this case. I did some investigating and I found some interesting posts. I do not want to accuse someone of being him and turn out to be wrong with egg on my face. This is just a theory. But after reading his (Duncans) blogs, I found similarities in misspelled words, thoughts, etc. It may be nothing but sheer coincidence, but he was an avid internet user and it would seem likely that he was following this case in the news and on the internet. Please do the search as I and you be the judge. Just MO.

Which thread(s)? This is very interesting!

[Darlene733510]

Hi There - My first post on the Groene case.

The Strawberry Festival is held in Plant City, FL.

I live just a few miles from there.

Good work on the timeline.

[CaliKid]

So you think someone posting here at Websleuths in the Groene forum was JED?

[Beyond Belief]

I wonder if he sold his red trans am before he rented the jeep. That would account for him having money.

[indigomood]

I wonder if he sold his red trans am before he rented the jeep. That would account for him having money.

sounds plausible to me... He seemed to own a lot of high tech gadgets as noted on his sick blog... webcams, laptops, mp3 players and the like.

I read that Duncan has a history of substance abuse and users are notorious for pawning their belongings as well....

[Incognito]

Thanks, I am set. I know it may not seem to matter with so many places to find info, but I always find timelines really handy in every case I follow. Thanks for the help!

I am focused right now on that July 3, 2004 molestation. The kids identified him from a sex abuser database using his car description and photo of him. So that means he was not arrested on the spot, but there had to be an arrest shortly after that and since two states are involved, there may be a record someplace. His court date didn't come up until April 15th of this year. It seems he would have had to have a bond unless he was just sent a subpoena, but that is kind of hard to imagine with a child molester, isn't it? Hard to tell. I know someone who got ID'd as being involved in a bar fight once and got a mail subpoena for an assault charge. So it depends on the state, I guess. This person had no priors though. Anyone know how things like that work in Minnesota? This guy Duncan was/is a class III registered sex offender, for crying out loud! How could they just subpoena him like that? The reason I think they did is he didn't have to post the bond until he went to court on April 15th. Strange, huh?
I'm from Minnesota. Duncan was charged with molesting these boys in March of this year. He had his arraignment on April 5th. From what I know, once you are charged you are held until the arraignment and bond is set.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/468/5489128.html

[jblfelines]

I wonder if he was involved in the Jennifer Short case? Jennifer was taken from her home after both her parents were shot in the head. Her body was finallyrecovered. No one has ever been convicted.
I wonder the same thing. The Short case has not been solved. Here is an article about the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/20/national/main519243.shtml

[Lili]

I'm from Minnesota. Duncan was charged with molesting these boys in March of this year. He had his arraignment on April 5th. From what I know, once you are charged you are held until the arraignment and bond is set.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/468/5489128.html
One news report last evening stated that Duncan posted $15,000 cash bond for the Minnesota case. Also stated that if bond would have been set at $150,000 he would have been able to "buy a bond" (?) with that $15,000.

With all this traveling, a student, cost of living, just where is this guy getting his $ ???

[mysteriew]

One news report last evening stated that Duncan posted $15,000 cash bond for the Minnesota case. Also stated that if bond would have been set at $150,000 he would have been able to "buy a bond" (?) with that $15,000.

With all this traveling, a student, cost of living, just where is this guy getting his $ ???

With a bail bonds man he would probably have only had to post 10% or $1,500.00 in bond. The bail bondsman would have garunteed the rest.

[mysteriew]

Duncan was described as relaxed and clean-cut when he stopped at a store in the western Montana logging community of St. Regis more than a month ago for gas and a 12-pack of Bud Light.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/affidavit_details_abuse_in_idaho_abduction/?page=2

[less0305]

With all this traveling, a student, cost of living, just where is this guy getting his $ ???


Something tells me....mommy.

[Floh]

I posted somewhere else that I believe that Duncan has visited and even posted regarding this case. I did some investigating and I found some interesting posts. I do not want to accuse someone of being him and turn out to be wrong with egg on my face. This is just a theory. But after reading his (Duncans) blogs, I found similarities in misspelled words, thoughts, etc. It may be nothing but sheer coincidence, but he was an avid internet user and it would seem likely that he was following this case in the news and on the internet. Please do the search as I and you be the judge. Just MO.

If you think this to be so, contact the moderators of Websleuths immediately, is my suggestion. LE needs all information it can get and IP numbers to at least give an indication (possibly, if not using a proxy) might be helpful.

i understand it could be something or nothing, but any indicators would be of use, to my mind.

[mysteriew]

Is there any mention of this boy in the blog?
RICHARD LEE HAYNES (CODY)
DESCRIPTION:
Case Type: Endangered Missing
DOB: Apr 16, 1993
Sex: Male
Race: White
Height: 5'0" (152 cm)
Weight: 90 lbs (41 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Age Now: 11
Missing City: KITTITAS
Missing State : WA
Missing Country: United States
Case Number: NCMC996768

CIRCUMSTANCES:
Richard was last seen at home on September 12, 2004. He has a round birthmark on his right inner thigh. Richard may go by the nickname Cody.

CONTACT INFORMATION:
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)

Kittitas Police Department (Washington) 1-509-925-8534

PRINTABLE FLYER:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/ser...earchLang=en_US

http://www.angelsmissing.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116&mode=linear

[Tom'sGirl]

Something tells me....mommy.
Yep, me too!

[CaliKid]

That's a nice timeline, Cowgirl.

[fran]

I see from his blog that in June of 1997 "when he was on the lamb" he was in San Francisco. It had to have been after June 3, as he mentions something dated then. Anyway, this is when he must have met the good doctor. Oh, since the doctor leant him $6500, this is probably what he used to travel the past six weeks or so.

JMHO
fran

PS....Do you think Kristen Modafferi (just turned 18) would have been too old for him? There is someone mentioned name Jon related to that case and since he apparently has a friend named Jon............just wonderin'. Let my imagination go too far..........fran

[Rocky]

I have a partial timeline. It does not have his vacations to Florida or skiing.

1976...Tacoma WA--At age 12 started raping 6-10 yo kids, tying them up and using a gun to do it
1979...Ft Lewis WA--First offended age 15, stole car, police chase, probation at a boy's ranch, 150 hours community service
1-1980...Ft Lewis WA--Dropped out of High School, age 16, then same month more trouble, see next item
1-1980...Tacoma WA--16 years old, stole gun, raped 14 yo boy, got 20 years-suspended, Pierce County sheriff says he stole guns, beat, raped and burned his boy victim
1980...Pierce Co WA--Sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital
3-1982...Pierce Co WA--Doctors diagnosed Duncan as passive-aggressive w/schizoid features and as a sexual sadist, revoked suspended sentence for leaving grounds twice/peeped in windows, sent to state pen
9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years (actually released several times but kept violating)
1996...Pierce Co WA--Busted for pot/gun charge, parole revocation hearing held but just enhanced his reporting rules and didn't send him back to prison
1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997
8-1997...Kansas City MO--Failed to register, arrested by FBI, returned to prison on parole violation (back to Washington) so new charge dropped
7-14-00...Tacoma WA--Released from prison (discharged so no parole)
7-24-00...Fargo ND--Registered as sex offender in Fargo, job at Teleforce Inc and went to school at ND State Univ
2000-01...Fargo ND--As university student made deans list twice, called wonderful employee
7-3-04...Becker Co MN--Offense on 2 boys-Detroit Lakes, MN (50 mi E of Fargo) pulled down pants/touched 6 yo, had videocamera, at playground/attempt on 8 yo/ who ID'd him and red Pontiac Grand Am/his pic on sex offender database
4-15-05...Becker Co MN--Court appearance for accusation of two boys, now 7 and 9, bail set at $15K cash and he posted it in Detroit Lakes
4-15-05...St Paul MN--Rented red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, due back 4-20, must have left his own red Grand Am at agency
4-18/22-05...Becker Co MN--Failed to report to probation officer during week, bail revoked
4-27-05...Newton Co MO--License plates stolen from Newton County, MO (Joplin area)
5-4-05...St Paul MN--Red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee reported stolen
5-1/15-05...Bighorn Canyon Natl Park WY--discarded car tag found in/near dumpster
5-6-05...Fargo ND--Arrest warrant issued for failure to report
5-13-05...website--Blog entry about turning self in, may die first or hurt "society"
5-15-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--BBQ held, last day kids seen
5-16-05...Becker Co MN--Missed court date for Detroit Lakes offense
5-16-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Bodies found but kids missing, Steve Groene (father) begs for the kids to be surrendered
5-17-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner sought and Amber alert issued for Groene kids
5-18-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner surrenders, passes polygraph, released and cleared
5-19-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Autopsies show drugs in bodies of the dead
5-20/22-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Steve Groene volunteers for polygraph as he feels suspect/fails part of polygraph, swears innocence
7-2-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan arrested in Denny's at 2-3:00am with Shasta Groene
7-4-05...Western Montana--Probable remains of Dylan Groene found/sent to Quantico VA for ID
7-5-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan's first court appearance

To get acclimated, Fargo ND was his home before going to court 5-15-05. Minneapolis/St Paul is 235 miles southeast of Fargo and Detroit Lakes is on the way, about 50 miles due east, from Fargo. On 4-15, he went to court in Detroit Lakes (Becker Co), posted bond, and went southeast to St Paul to rent the Jeep. That was a Friday and it was due back the following Wednesday, the 20th. On 4-27 he stole license plates in the Joplin, MO area, which is almost 600 miles south of St Paul. Then he must have headed northwest to the Wyoming/Montana border (Bighorn Canyon) which is where the key tag from the Jeep was found the first week of May or so, at least 1200 miles from Joplin by roads. Perhaps he camped there? Then at some point he probably went northwest on I90 which meanders through Billings to Butte to Missoula and finally to Coeur D'Alene. It has to be another 600 to 700 miles, so this guy did some traveling. He may have taken any of several routes to Montana, but he picked up I90 at Bighorn.

wow, great job putting together the timeline...

I can't help but wonder if it might have been one of my friends children he molested in Detroit Lakes.

his Dr friend gave him the money to get a bond for $50,000, he skipped town and never looked back.

can the Doc be held partially responsible for setting him free to kill a child?

<<mental note to self...>>

change laws nationwide so the courts set minimum bail of $1 million on any class 3 offender from now on...

10% of bond amount goes to the bounty hunter that tracks them down if they skip town...

[IdahoMom]

Forgive me if this is already posted:


Duncan mentions Leanna Warner in blog entries
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=101922

Two days prior to that posting, Duncan, a level three sex offender, bragged that he was continuing to hurt people even after his second prison release in 1997.

He titled the posting, "The Demons Have Taken Over." He wrote, "I got out, and I got even but did not get caught. So I got even again and again and did not get caught. So I figured, well, I got even twice (actually more)..."

Brown thinks Duncan has hurt more than Shasta and Dylan, “I believe Joseph Duncan has probably hurt a lot more kids.”

Posts two summers ago by Duncan talk about a missing five-year-old in Chisholm, Minnesota. Her name is Leanna Warner.

Chisolm Police Chief Scott Erickson says the fact that Leanna’s name is found in Duncan’s blog raises questions, “Because Leanna's name is coming up we are looking into this"

It's early to say if Duncan was even in the area of Chisholm when Warner vanished. But Duncan went out of his way to say he didn't do it, which in the mind of a convicted child rapist, may mean something else.

“Joseph Duncan likes to say he didn't do crimes,” Brown points out, “especially if he's blamed for them, so he doesn't have to go jail.”

[Rocky]

Forgive me if this is already posted:


Duncan mentions Leanna Warner in blog entries
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=101922

Two days prior to that posting, Duncan, a level three sex offender, bragged that he was continuing to hurt people even after his second prison release in 1997.

He titled the posting, "The Demons Have Taken Over." He wrote, "I got out, and I got even but did not get caught. So I got even again and again and did not get caught. So I figured, well, I got even twice (actually more)..."

Brown thinks Duncan has hurt more than Shasta and Dylan, “I believe Joseph Duncan has probably hurt a lot more kids.”

Posts two summers ago by Duncan talk about a missing five-year-old in Chisholm, Minnesota. Her name is Leanna Warner.

Chisolm Police Chief Scott Erickson says the fact that Leanna’s name is found in Duncan’s blog raises questions, “Because Leanna's name is coming up we are looking into this"

It's early to say if Duncan was even in the area of Chisholm when Warner vanished. But Duncan went out of his way to say he didn't do it, which in the mind of a convicted child rapist, may mean something else.

“Joseph Duncan likes to say he didn't do crimes,” Brown points out, “especially if he's blamed for them, so he doesn't have to go jail.”

does anyone know if he has a tattoo on his arm?

[Rocky]

a man with a star tattoo on his shoulder was seen walking in the neighborhood around the time beaner disappeared...

It was the weekend of the big biker party, I wonder if anyone from Utah party was in town?

[Rocky]

what if he met Shasta and Dylan for the first time at that party, before kidnapping beaner

[Mirielle]

Is there any mention of this boy in the blog?
RICHARD LEE HAYNES (CODY)
DESCRIPTION:
Case Type: Endangered Missing
DOB: Apr 16, 1993
Sex: Male
Race: White
Height: 5'0" (152 cm)
Weight: 90 lbs (41 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Age Now: 11
Missing City: KITTITAS
Missing State : WA
Missing Country: United States
Case Number: NCMC996768

CIRCUMSTANCES:
Richard was last seen at home on September 12, 2004. He has a round birthmark on his right inner thigh. Richard may go by the nickname Cody.

CONTACT INFORMATION:
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)

Kittitas Police Department (Washington) 1-509-925-8534

PRINTABLE FLYER:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/ser...earchLang=en_US

http://www.angelsmissing.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116&mode=linearCody went missing 09/12/04. Interestingly, the only entry in Duncans blog for the whole month of Sept 04 is on 09/12. It is an innocuous entry about staying home and chicken pot pie. Another alibi? Was this done on laptop or after the fact? It is so atypical of his entries that it made me very suspicious. Why no other entries until October?

I think Cory is one of Duncan's victims. He mentions two prior offenses done to get back at society ("plus a couple more which are neither here nor there" if I am quoting it right...which may be the molestations in Minnesota, which if Duncan were already murdering kids, he would consider minor) before the Groenes.

In August '04, if you read the blog, you can see a build-up of rage, defiance, anger, resentment. The cops raided Duncan's apt I believe on 08/25/04 and there is an entry for that...then nothing until 09/12/04...then nothing till October.

I think Duncan might have run home to momma for awhile. Another thing...if you compare Cody in looks to the two Groene kids and little Beaner, they all look somewhat similar.

I wrote Huff at Darkside and told him about my suspicions. I asked him if there was a way to find out if anything was modified or deleted then, when Duncan would have been in school, if he had taken vacation during early September? I know that a Firefox browser can show history on webpages. I don't have one.

I wonder if Duncan had credit or debit cards that he used on his trips. A trail of purchases would be very interesting.

[fran]

a man with a star tattoo on his shoulder was seen walking in the neighborhood around the time beaner disappeared...

It was the weekend of the big biker party, I wonder if anyone from Utah party was in town?

OMG!!
Rocky, .........I know I mentioned within a day of his capture about Duncan's mention of 'beaner' in his blog. My first thought was, he's explaining something that hasn't been asked...........something quite common among perps,,,,,,,,,answering before asked.

Biker party!!!!!! OMG......he's involved in bikes! There's something on his blog about a bike weekend. I'll have to check. I know this wasn't the one for the weekend 'beaner' went missing, but the fact he's connected to motorcycles. I actually thought that may be some way he might be linked to the Groenes. He may have seen them at one of the 'biker' get togethers.

I'm getting carried away. Gotta check this out more. Unfortunately, I don't have too much time this weekend, son/wife and grandkids coming. I'll try though.

JMHO
fran

PS.....FWIW, I believe the mention of 'bikes' was in the first part of January. Just in case anyone else wants to check it out.....fran

[Mirielle]

a man with a star tattoo on his shoulder was seen walking in the neighborhood around the time beaner disappeared...

It was the weekend of the big biker party, I wonder if anyone from Utah party was in town?
Rocky, I don't have time right now, but Duncan has a couple videos out there where he is bare chested. Maybe someone could check for a tat?

[mysteriew]

Cory went missing 09/12/04. Interestingly, the only entry in Duncans blog for the whole month of Sept 04 is on 09/12. It is an innocuous entry about staying home and chicken pot pie. Another alibi? Was this done on laptop or after the fact? It is so atypical of his entries that it made me very suspicious. Why no other entries until October?

I think Cory is one of Duncan's victims. He mentions two prior offenses done to get back at society ("plus a couple more which are neither here nor there" if I am quoting it right...which may be the molestations in Minnesota, which if Duncan were already murdering kids, he would consider minor) before the Groenes.

In August '04, if you read the blog, you can see a build-up of rage, defiance, anger, resentment. The cops raided Duncan's apt I believe on 08/25/04 and there is an entry for that...then nothing until 09/12/04...then nothing till October.

I think Duncan might have run home to momma for awhile. Another thing...if you compare Cory in looks to the two Groene kids and little Beaner, they all look somewhat similar.

I wrote Huff at Darkside and told him about my suspicions. I asked him if there was a way to find out if anything was modified or deleted then, when Duncan would have been in school, if he had taken vacation during early September? I know that a Firefox browser can show history on webpages. I don't have one.

I wonder if Duncan had credit or debit cards that he used on his trips. A trail of purchases would be very interesting.

Very interesting! And Excellent sleuthing!
As though he didn't have any interest in the blog, but just made an entry in case he needed an alibi!
Are you going to phone in a tip?

[Mirielle]

Very interesting! And Excellent sleuthing!
As though he didn't have any interest in the blog, but just made an entry in case he needed an alibi!
Are you going to phone in a tip?
Never thought of that. I think a profiler would be looking at that right now. Should we call the FBI?

[lostinlimaohio]

I don't know if any of you have Google Earth... but I have went through his blog again (which at this point I have to still get up every five mins to hug my kids and thank god he's now locked up or I just go nuts) and "pinned" the locations (and dates with it) of where duncan has claimed to be. I have not added his geo thing in yet... mainly because I need a long long break from this guy. However, if anyone wants the file you may email at lostinlimaohio@gmail.com. And I'll send it.

I fugure this would give any easy way to compare unsolved crimes with the dates and places he has been.

For those that don't have google earth... its a great program, http://earth.google.com/ makes it very easy to track where a person has been. And its fun to play with.

[Mirielle]

I don't know if any of you have Google Earth... but I have went through his blog again (which at this point I have to still get up every five mins to hug my kids and thank god he's now locked up or I just go nuts) and "pinned" the locations (and dates with it) of where duncan has claimed to be. I have not added his geo thing in yet... mainly because I need a long long break from this guy. However, if anyone wants the file you may email at lostinlimaohio@gmail.com. And I'll send it.

I fugure this would give any easy way to compare unsolved crimes with the dates and places he has been.

For those that don't have google earth... its a great program, http://earth.google.com/ makes it very easy to track where a person has been. And its fun to play with.
Yeah, I think I need a break too. And a bath. That blog of his puts me tooo much into his mind and I don't wanna be there.

Google Earth is the greatest! I love "flying".

[lostinlimaohio]

OMG!!
Rocky, .........I know I mentioned within a day of his capture about Duncan's mention of 'beaner' in his blog. My first thought was, he's explaining something that hasn't been asked...........something quite common among perps,,,,,,,,,answering before asked.

Biker party!!!!!! OMG......he's involved in bikes! There's something on his blog about a bike weekend. I'll have to check. I know this wasn't the one for the weekend 'beaner' went missing, but the fact he's connected to motorcycles. I actually thought that may be some way he might be linked to the Groenes. He may have seen them at one of the 'biker' get togethers.

I'm getting carried away. Gotta check this out more. Unfortunately, I don't have too much time this weekend, son/wife and grandkids coming. I'll try though.

JMHO
fran

PS.....FWIW, I believe the mention of 'bikes' was in the first part of January. Just in case anyone else wants to check it out.....fran

This is from his blog in jan of 2004

"I spoke with Peanut Butter & Jerry (http://www.fifthnail.com/blog/2004_01_04_fifthnail_archive.php#10734601002523078 4) this weekend and we agreed to send the pictures I took of him passing out sandwiches in Tacoma to be published at the Destiny Riders (http://www.wideglide.com/cma/) Christian Motorcyclists Association's web site. So if you'd like to see more keep an eye on the Photos Page (http://www.wideglide.com/cma/rides/) at their site! "

Theres a few times he mentions this friend on his blog. I also had wondered whether there was that connection to the groene's. But that site have ALOT of photos, of members, events they held ect.

[fran]

This is from his blog in jan of 2004

"I spoke with Peanut Butter & Jerry (http://www.fifthnail.com/blog/2004_01_04_fifthnail_archive.php#10734601002523078 4) this weekend and we agreed to send the pictures I took of him passing out sandwiches in Tacoma to be published at the Destiny Riders (http://www.wideglide.com/cma/) Christian Motorcyclists Association's web site. So if you'd like to see more keep an eye on the Photos Page (http://www.wideglide.com/cma/rides/) at their site! "

Theres a few times he mentions this friend on his blog. I also had wondered whether there was that connection to the groene's. But that site have ALOT of photos, of members, events they held ect.


Yes, that's what I was reading........I just didn't check the exact date, just that it was January. So, it's '04.....

You know, I'm sure LE is all over this blog. IMO, some of Duncan's fellow bloggers, geocachers, acquaintenances, etc., may just be receiving visits from 'a man with a gun.'

This is the exact sort of pervert that gets away with crime after crime after crime. Traveling,..........going from jurisdiction to jurisdiction......and they do network, these blights on our society. I wouldn't doubt one bit if much of this 'blog' is in code, code to his fellow perverts.

JMHO
fran

[mysteriew]

A Web log posting by sex offender Joseph E. Duncan has prompted investigators to explore the possibility that he may be involved in the disappearance of 5-year-old LeeAnna Warner from Chisholm, Minn., in June 2003.

Chisholm Police Chief Scott Erickson said Thursday that federal investigators are retracing Duncan's movements over the past few years after a Jan. 4, 2004, posting on his Web log.

FBI special agent Paul McCabe said the agency is retracing Duncan's steps through hotel and motel records, travel receipts and computer files to determine whether he may have been close to Chisholm the day LeeAnna disappeared.

"It's standard operating procedure in these cases," said Dave Bjerga, special agent in charge of northern Minnesota for the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. "We're looking at Duncan, as probably is every law enforcement agency in the Midwest with an unsolved criminal sex case or child abduction case."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5495975.html

[lostinlimaohio]

Not sure if anyone else has seen this... but in case not:


The fargo police has a area where you can search police logs for any given day. Duncan's blog contains a few entries where he has seemed to be giving more information on certain days. http://www.cityoffargo.com/police/crime_prevention/CrimeWatch.htm


Here's his post from May 2004
http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_fifthnail_archive.html
"I went for a late night walk downtown last night. It was actually quite enjoyable, the weather was nice, and there were many people still out and about. I almost stepped inside one of the bars downtown, but I still don't find too much pleasure in standing around drinking and determining pecking order with behavioral nuances designed to establish some kind of social ranking. It all just seems so childish. Maybe I'm being childish. But, I enjoyed my walk and might do it again sometime soon. My only worry of course is that while I am walking around I am essentially unaccounted for and if anything bad happened while I was out I could get blamed because of all the media hype about how dangerous sex offenders are; I wouldn't stand a chance at a trial and I know it. Last night I carried my MP3 player with me on the walk and kept the recorder running and talked to myself during the whole walk to establish my whereabouts and actions (my fear of being falsely accused is that strong!), but when I got home I discovered that nothing got recorded. Oh well, I tried."

Heres a clip off of the police log for that night of the 6th when he was out "walking" but the mp3 player didn't work out for his alibi

05/06/04 21:59:33 JC (http://www.in-forum.com/crimewatch/codes.htm) MISSING JUV 7YOA SON WENT TO FRIENDS HOUSE AND HASNT RETURNED HOME. HE HASNT BEEN SEEN SINCE 1700HRS. LAST SEEN BY DOG PARK. 4300 BLK 9 AVE CIR SW
I can not seem to locate any stories on it in the local paper from there. Anyone have anything on it??

[wondering22]

I found this in USENET the other day, and I posted it to the Leeanna Warner (Beaner) messagethread.

Duncan Camping in Crosby, Minnesota: August 2003

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/browse_thread/thread/d2ef0f21f358fdfc/3bb5eb7becd65a10?q=duncan+jet&rnum=2&hl=en

[BobF]

hopefully his next location will be six feet under!:furious:

[wondering22]

This is odd. I went back to the geocaching.com site to verify that he was in Washington on December 26, 2004. That entry has been deleted. The only one that could have deleted it would be the owner of the cache, Duncan's friend/relative "Spyder".

I don't understand why he is hiding the fact that Duncan was in Washington in December.
Is it possible that LEOs have taken the info down?

Has anyone here checked WebArchive.org - to see if there is anything for Duncan's blog, I think it was FifthNail.blog.com

[lostinlimaohio]

Has anyone here checked WebArchive.org - to see if there is anything for Duncan's blog, I think it was FifthNail.blog.com
http://www.fifthnail.blogspot.com

I have him down for christmas 03

[Cowgirl]

I have done some updates and additions to the timeline if anyone is keeping track. Post any additions or corrections if you want, but I did not put down anything without some sort of documentation (only non-self serving stuff from the blog):

1976...Tacoma WA--At age 12 started raping 6-10 yo kids, tying them up and using a gun to do it
1979...Ft Lewis WA--First offended age 15, stole car, police chase, probation at a boy's ranch, 150 hours
community service
1-1980...Ft Lewis WA--Dropped out of High School, age 16, then same month more trouble, see next item
1-1980...Lakewood WA--16 years old, stole gun, raped 14 yo boy, got 20 years-suspended, Pierce County
sheriff says he stole guns, beat, raped and burned his boy victim
1980...Pierce Co WA--Sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital
3-1982...Pierce Co WA--Doctors diagnosed Duncan as passive-aggressive w/schizoid features and as a sexual
sadist, revoked suspended sentence for leaving grounds twice/peeped in windows, sent to state pen
9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years
1996...Pierce Co WA--Busted for pot/gun charge, parole revocation hearing held but just enhanced his reporting rules and didn't send him back to prison (actually violated several times but stayed out of prison)
1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in
March of 1997
8-1997...Kansas City MO--Failed to register (that was official charge/he had left WA so it was escape)
arrested by FBI, returned to prison on parole violation (back in Washington) so new charge dropped
7-14-00...Tacoma WA--Released from prison (discharged so no parole)
7-24-00...Fargo ND--Registered as sex offender in Fargo, job at Teleforce Inc and went to school at ND
State Univ and was a phi kappa phi member, so had to be bright student
9-27-00...Fargo ND--Police Dept conducted a community sex offender/child molester notification
2000-01...Fargo ND--As university student made deans list twice, called wonderful employee
11-02...Tacoma WA--Spent Thanksgiving with family--made video record
8-4-03...Crosby MN--Went skin diving and participated in treasure hunt
10-3-03...Fargo ND--late night visit from police w/warning to stop bothering women downtown-wrongly!
12-03...Tacoma WA--Spent Christmas with family members-mother and siblings
2-19-04...Kensington MN--went skiing with CEO boss and his 5 yo son (yikes) per blog at Andes Towers
2-25/29-04...Tampa FL--3/1 blog says just ret'd from Florida vacation-met up w/ Wacksman
4-15-04...Fargo ND--police do routine sex offender visit which Duncan feels is harassment
4-17/18-04...Ft Lauderdale FL--blog says visited "doctor" friend (New Port Richey) and went diving in surf
4-24/25-04...Minneapolis MN--w/visiting teacher friend from Concord CA went to Mall of America
5-5-04...Fargo ND--Duncan sends open letter to chief of police lamenting his unnecessary offender status
5-6-04...Fargo ND--Police Chief answers letter, sorry, tough (politely) but w/157 sex offenders in city...
5-19-04...Fargo ND--Duncan is dreaming about going back to prison while whining about his "branding"
7-3-04...Becker Co MN--Offense on 2 boys-Detroit Lakes, MN (50 mi E of Fargo) pulled down pants/touched 6
yo, had videocamera, at playground/attempt on 8 yo/they ID'd him and red Pontiac Grand Am/his pic on sex
offender database
8-20-04...Duncan's house/car were searched by LE in connection with molesting Becker Co kids per blog
3-4-05...Becker Co indicts Duncan for 7-3-05 assault, but instead of arresting him, mails him a summons
3-12/13-05...Key West FL--per blog mini vacation-post shows he's rationalizing fate/also visited New Port
Richey home of Dr Wacksman
4-2005...LE again search Duncan's home--suspected of not reporting a move
4-14/15-05...Dr Richard Wacksman, Florida friend Duncqan met in Fargo, lent Duncan $6500 (date approximate)
4-15-05...Becker Co MN--Duncan made court appearance for accusation of two boys, 6&8, now 7&9, bail set at
$15K cash and he posted it in cash without a bondsman in Detroit Lakes
4-15-05...St Paul MN--Duncan rented red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, due back 4-20, (must have left his own
red Grand Am at agency?)
4-18/22-05...Becker Co MN--Duncan failed to report to probation officer during week, bond revoked
4-27-05...Newton Co MO--License plates stolen from Newton County, MO (Joplin area)
5-4-05...St Paul MN--Red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee reported stolen
5-1/15-05...Bighorn Canyon Natl Park WY--Discarded key tag from Jeep found near park dumpster in trash
5-6-05...Fargo ND--Arrest warrant issued for failure to report
5-10-05...computer--Duncan emailed Fargo upstairs neighbor Joni Buzick to ask her to take care of cats
Cryptic message said "life just isn't worth it," and that he was truly sorry.
5-13-05...website--Blog entry about turning self in, may die first or hurt "society"/same day Fargo cops
contacted Dr Wacksman who told them about $6500 loan to Duncan "for attorney fees"
5-15-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Groene BBQ held, last day kids seen
5-16-05...Becker Co MN--Duncan missed court date for Detroit Lakes offense-Becker County MN bail forfeited
5-16-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Bodies of Brenda (40) & Slade (13) Groene, Mark (37) McKenzie found but kids
missing, Steve Groene (father) begs for the kids to be surrendered
5-17-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner sought and Amber alert issued for Groene kids
5-18-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner surrenders, passes polygraph, cleared and released
5-19-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Autopsies show drugs in bodies of the dead
5-20/22-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Steve Groene volunteers for polygraph/fails part of it, swears innocence
6-1-05...Becker Co MN--Federal arrest warrant issued for Duncan for MN offense and jumping bail
7-2-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan arrested in Denny's at 2-3:00am with Shasta Groene
7-4-05...St Regis MT--Probable remains of Dylan Groene (9) found off Little Joe Rd in St Regis, Lolo
National Forest area/sent to Quantico VA for DNA testing
7-5-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan's first court appearance (remote)/PD Lynn Nelson/2 counts kidnapping with
intent to rape or L&L or seriously injure, DP on table/Duncan weeps during proceeding in yellow jumpsuit
7-6/8-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Ben Wolfinger slowly releases details-Duncan believed to have stayed in Idaho area entire time-killed first victims at house with a hammer-children taken alive in alternate vehicle-a white pickup truck found abandoned 1/4 mile from crime scene
7-10-05...Quantico VA--FBI releases DNA test results-remains found in St Regis camp site are Dylan Groene
7-19-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Preliminary hearing court date with Judge Benjamin Simpson

[Beyond Belief]

GOOD JOB!:clap: :clap:

[Tom'sGirl]

I have done some updates and additions to the timeline if anyone is keeping track. Post any additions or corrections if you want, but I did not put down anything without some sort of documentation (only non-self serving stuff from the blog):Good job Cowgirl, have you seen the time lines at: http://www.jetduncan.com (http://www.jetduncan.com/)

It's a pretty good site for reference on a lot of "stuff" regarding Duncan (includes Wacksman info. also)

Jet Duncan's HTTP Links & Email Address Sharing Page

If you have any new links or new email addresses that Jet Duncan has used that are not on this page, please email them to jetgazette@yahoo.com .

jetgazette@yahoo.com is only this webmaster's email; it does not belong to Jet Duncan.

If you have information regarding the relationship of Jet Duncan to the abduction of little Leanna Warner, please send that info directly to Steve Huff at steve.huff@gmail.com. Steve has really put a case together (javascript:ofw('http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/')) and has many hours of thinking about this relationship. You can also Cc (send a copy) to mickeyrat@carolina.rr.com and jetgazette@yahoo.com as we can uncover clues too.

[Cowgirl]

Good job Cowgirl, have you seen the time lines at: http://www.jetduncan.com (http://www.jetduncan.com/)

It's a pretty good site for reference on a lot of "stuff" regarding Duncan (includes Wacksman info. also)

Jet Duncan's HTTP Links & Email Address Sharing Page

If you have any new links or new email addresses that Jet Duncan has used that are not on this page, please email them to jetgazette@yahoo.com .

jetgazette@yahoo.com is only this webmaster's email; it does not belong to Jet Duncan.

If you have information regarding the relationship of Jet Duncan to the abduction of little Leanna Warner, please send that info directly to Steve Huff at steve.huff@gmail.com. Steve has really put a case together (http://javascript<img%20src=&quot;images/smilies/redface.gif&quot;%20border=&quot;0&quot;%20alt=&quot;&quot;%20title=&quot;Embarr assment&quot;%20smilieid=&quot;3&quot;%20class=&quot;inlineimg&quot;%20/>fw('http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/')) and has many hours of thinking about this relationship. You can also Cc (send a copy) to mickeyrat@carolina.rr.com and jetgazette@yahoo.com as we can uncover clues too. Yes, I have seen it as well as a lot of stuff about connecting him to the Short case. I don't really believe either one, so I did not rely on those sites for my dates. I am a "just the facts" type, and I do not believe much of the Fifth Nail crapola either. He mentions Beaner and how he could be falsely accused but he never mentions the offense he actually did in Detroit Lakes at all. So the blog was just garbage and whining and I only relied on incidental dates he referred to without a motive. I think the blog is a place he wrote as a persona he wishes he were. He wants to be the falsely accused sex offender who now has to put up with even more of society's unfounded nonsense of registration so he carries on as if that is the case. All the while he was/is a psychopath and sexual sadist who was doing everything he could to cover up his urges and yet, they overwhelmed him. He finally just gave up, saying God doesn't make mistakes...so whatever he wanted to do must really be okay. Even the idea of "making society pay" for what "society had done" to him...what horse shiit. He is just a sicko sadist and used whatever was handy as an excuse. I would not believe daylight from him.

Anything they do to him is not going to make up for what he has done, so as long as they never let him be around anyone else for eternity or until his black heart stops is fine with me. I love reading how state sanctioned murder is the answer (by the same people who spew 'thou shalt not kill') but I think that is way too easy for him, so as long as they never let him be around another human being he can hurt, that is all I hope for. Now, a Dahmer ending would be nice, but even that is too quick and easy. Even us atheists wish for a hell for this guy!

[wondering22]

1980...Ft Lewis WA--Dropped out of High School, age 16, then same month more trouble, see next item


1-1980...Lakewood WA--16 years old, stole gun, raped 14 yo boy, got 20 years-suspended, Pierce County sheriff says he stole guns, beat, raped and burned his boy victim

1980...Pierce Co WA--Sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital

3-1982...Pierce Co WA--Doctors diagnosed Duncan as passive-aggressive w/schizoid features and as a sexual
sadist, revoked suspended sentence for leaving grounds twice/peeped in windows, sent to state pen

9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years (actually released several times but kept
violating)

Anyone know the dates of these releases which occured prior to 1994?

Anyone know if he was on the streets in 1989?

IF he was on parole during 1989, is there anyway he could have gotten to Minnesota where Jacob Wetterling vanished?

[Cowgirl]

Anyone know the dates of these releases which occured prior to 1994?

Anyone know if he was on the streets in 1989?

IF he was on parole during 1989, is there anyway he could have gotten to Minnesota where Jacob Wetterling vanished?I saw your post before but forgot to respond about this. He never got out in that whole 14 year period. He didn't come up for parole at all until 1994 and violated several times before they sent him back in 1997 to complete his original 20 year sentence. He could not have been involved with Wetterling.

I amended the timeline to clarify it.

[Maybe So]

I wonder if he ever visited Streator IL where on March 26, 2003 ...7 yr old Dalton Mesarchik was taken from in front of his home and found dumped in the river...he had been beaten to death with a hammer. Case still unsolved. LE has never released information on whether he was sexually assaulted or not.

[Cowgirl]

I wonder if he ever visited Streator IL where on March 26, 2003 ...7 yr old Dalton Mesarchik was taken from in front of his home and found dumped in the river...he had been beaten to death with a hammer. Case still unsolved. LE has never released information on whether he was sexually assaulted or not.This is very much his MO. I wish we had access to more details about what he was doing during those years after he was released. It is sketchy at best. He was going to school of course but there are vacations during the school year. He was working and there would be records showing any times he was missing for more than a weekend. But of course we have no access to that sort of thing. LE does though. A business is required to keep payroll records for seven years and that usually means they have time cards too or at least attendance records.

I would encourage anyone who sees a possible connection to a crime he may have committed to contact the local LE agency involved. Once a case is cold, they usually are the only ones interested in clearing it from their books. The FBI knows it has more than it needs to convict this pig and get him the DP so the FBI agents are not likely to do any extra sleuthing just to connect him to cold cases. They are too busy chasing down new perps.

[Shazzie]

I have a suggestion for your timeline, Cowgirl.

It was in 1997 that Wacksman appeared at a hearing to request Duncan be allowed to live at his (Wacksman's home).

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=96937&section=News

Here's the exact quote from the above link:
When Duncan moved to Fargo, police released information on his past, including a document from a 1997 sentence review board hearing in Olympia, Wash., held to determine whether Duncan should be returned to prison for a parole violation.

At the hearing, Wacksman asked that Duncan be released so that he could live at Wacksman's North Dakota home. Wacksman stated he had no concerns regarding the safety of his children, a view the review board did not share. The board rejected Wacksman's proposal...

Your timeline mentions his parole being revoked during that time frame (1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997) but nothing about Wacksman's very sinister (IMO) involvement in the sentence review board hearing. What would you think of addding a mention of that?

[Cowgirl]

I have a suggestion for your timeline, Cowgirl.

It was in 1997 that Wacksman appeared at a hearing to request Duncan be allowed to live at his (Wacksman's home).

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=96937&section=News

Here's the exact quote from the above link:
When Duncan moved to Fargo, police released information on his past, including a document from a 1997 sentence review board hearing in Olympia, Wash., held to determine whether Duncan should be returned to prison for a parole violation.

At the hearing, Wacksman asked that Duncan be released so that he could live at Wacksman's North Dakota home. Wacksman stated he had no concerns regarding the safety of his children, a view the review board did not share. The board rejected Wacksman's proposal...

Your timeline mentions his parole being revoked during that time frame (1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997) but nothing about Wacksman's very sinister (IMO) involvement in the sentence review board hearing. What would you think of addding a mention of that? Glad someone notices, Shazzie! Okay, here is how I added it:

9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years
1996...Pierce Co WA--Busted for pot/gun charge, parole revocation hearing held but just enhanced his reporting rules and didn't send him back to prison (actually violated several times but stayed free)
1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997-during one of the 1997 hearings Dr Wacksman vouched for him but was ignored
8-1997...Kansas City MO--Failed to register (that was official charge/he had left WA so it was escape)
arrested by FBI, returned to prison on parole violation (back in Washington) so new charges dropped
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shaz, I believe that there is more we shall learn about it before it is all over. I had read the article you reference here, but he had so many revocation hearings that year that I was not sure which one was the one where Wacksman vouched for him, so I put it in this way above, but maybe someone will find out more specifics. Also, I remember someplace seeing that he met Dr Wacksman in San Francisco but I don't remember the year for sure. It was either 1995 or 1997 and I remember that Duncan was there illegally. It could have been in 1997 after he took off from Seattle but before he was busted in Kansas City. But it could have been in 1995 which is when his father died and that was in San Francisco too. I am hoping to learn more specifics on this at some time.

[Shazzie]

Glad someone notices, Shazzie! Okay, here is how I added it:

9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years
1996...Pierce Co WA--Busted for pot/gun charge, parole revocation hearing held but just enhanced his reporting rules and didn't send him back to prison (actually violated several times but stayed free)
1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997-during one of the 1997 hearings Dr Wacksman vouched for him but was ignored
8-1997...Kansas City MO--Failed to register (that was official charge/he had left WA so it was escape)
arrested by FBI, returned to prison on parole violation (back in Washington) so new charges dropped
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Shaz, I believe that there is more we shall learn about it before it is all over. I had read the article you reference here, but he had so many revocation hearings that year that I was not sure which one was the one where Wacksman vouched for him, so I put it in this way above, but maybe someone will find out more specifics. Also, I remember someplace seeing that he met Dr Wacksman in San Francisco but I don't remember the year for sure. It was either 1995 or 1997 and I remember that Duncan was there illegally. It could have been in 1997 after he took off from Seattle but before he was busted in Kansas City. But it could have been in 1995 which is when his father died and that was in San Francisco too. I am hoping to learn more specifics on this at some time.
Looks good to me. I think his association with Wacksman is very significant, and I think any information about it deserves to be tracked. This will fill the bill until we know more.

I remember reading that he met Wacksman in San Francisco, at a "coffee house," but I can't recall the source of that information or whether it said anything about the date of their meeting. I know this was discussed in a thread around here somewhere, so I'll go see if I can track that down.

I agree that there's a LOT more to be learned about all of this, and no doubt facts will continue to emerge as time goes on. It's great to have this time line as a framework for begnning to organize what we learn.

[Shazzie]

I've just been combing through the thread called Doctor gives Duncan Money, looking at the links that were posted there. I haven't uncovered any new information, but I think I just caught Wacksman in a big, fat lie! :woohoo:

I am going to post this here for its timeline relevance and add a post in the other thread directing to this one.

First a link to the thread in question: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25840

Now, the links I found there:

1. http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=96937&section=News

This article contains RMW's claim about when he became friends with JED:

Wacksman told police he is not Duncan's doctor, but the two became friends when Wacksman was a pediatrician in Florida.

In the same article (which also has an old, creepy looking photo of RMW), we read:

When Duncan moved to Fargo, police released information on his past, including a document from a 1997 sentence review board hearing in Olympia, Wash., held to determine whether Duncan should be returned to prison for a parole violation.
At the hearing, Wacksman asked that Duncan be released so that he could live at Wacksman's North Dakota home.

From this we know RMW was living in ND in 1997, when he tried to help Duncan stay out of prison. According to other sources (below), this does NOT jive with his having met Duncan while he was "a pediatrician in Florida."

2. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435699/posts

This article also mentions the 1997 parole hearing, saying that JED and RMW met in San Francisco:

At a 1997 parole revocation hearing in Olympia, Wash., Richard Wacksman, a Fargo doctor Duncan had met at a coffeehouse in San Francisco, testified on his behalf.

The wording is a little ambiguous, but it clearly implies RMW was living in Fargo when he met JED "at a coffeehouse in San Francisco."

3. http://websites1.medseek.com/websitefiles/BCHSMortonPlantHospital/body.cfm?id=100&action=detail&ref=252

In this press release, dated March 2003, we are told the following:

To oversee its hospitalist initiative, Morton Plant North Bay has appointed Richard Wacksman, M.D. as medical director of the program.

And later in the article:

Joining the Morton Plant North Bay staff as medical director, Dr. Wacksman has more than 20 years of medical/surgical and critical care services experience. A graduate of the American University of the Caribbean, Dr. Wacksman completed his fellowship in critical care medicine at Albany Medical Center Hospital, Albany, New York. He was a Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of North Dakota School of Medicine and is a member of the American College of Physician Executives and the Society of Critical Care Medicine. Dr. Wacksman is board certified in internal medicine, critical care medicine and pediatrics.

Put all of this together, and it shows that 1) RMW joined the staff of a FL hospital in 2003, 2) he was on the faculty of the medical school NDSU PRIOR to that, and 3) he knew JED while he was living in ND, as early as 1997. This establishes a sequence of events that is totally at odds with RMW's claim to having met JED after he was living in FL!!!!

So.....to add to the already dodgy picture of Dr. Wacksman, we know that HE RECENTLY LIED TO A REPORTER ABOUT HOW AND WHEN HE MET JED!

[Dara]

Wow, Shazzie. Great catch.

[Shazzie]

Wow, Shazzie. Great catch.
Thanks! :D

I never would have caught it if I hadn't been re-reading all those articles specifically looking for material for Cowgirl's timeline. All these different pieces, scattered about--it was really easy to miss how they all fit together.

[Vet4Bush]

Shazzie

Wacks was a hospitalist when he moved from ND to FL. Maybe Wacks moved from FL to ND and then back to FL. I think Wacks has family in FL. Wacks may have been a pediatrician the first time in FL. Maybe JED lied about when he first met Wacks.

[Shazzie]

Shazzie

Wacks was a hospitalist when he moved from ND to FL. Maybe Wacks moved from FL to ND and then back to FL. I think Wacks has family in FL. Wacks may have been a pediatrician the first time in FL. Maybe JED lied about when he first met Wacks.I wish the FL licensing information (http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00profiling/Profile.asp?LicId=83289&ProfNBR=1501) had more dates. It gives the date he was first licensed to practice medicine, but it's not clear when he was actually licensed in FL. There are dates pertaining to his training (college degrees, residency, fellowships, etc.), but no dates about where or when he has practiced since his last fellowship. From this, we know he was in Albany, NY, until December 1988, and we also that he was acquainted with JED by 1997. That would given him less than 9 years to move to FL and then to Fargo, in time to be living there in 1997. Not impossible, but it is a pretty tight timeframe.

Also, while it's true he was practicing as a hospitalist at Morton Plant, the only board certification shown on his FL license is pediatrics. So he could been bending the truth slightly when he referred to himself as a pediatrician in FL. Maybe he didn't want to draw attention to the fact that he was no longer practicing as a pediatrician--understandable if he gave up that specialty for less than savory reasons!

It's not impossible things could have happened as you described, but I think it's at least as likely that RMW fibbed about when he met JED. Maybe he was hoping all the facts about their association would not surface and was trying not to give away too much. He probably didn't realize someone would be thorough enough to track down those parole hearing documents!

[Sofia]

Thanks! :D

I never would have caught it if I hadn't been re-reading all those articles specifically looking for material for Cowgirl's timeline. All these different pieces, scattered about--it was really easy to miss how they all fit together.Shazzie, it could also be the reporter's error. You should call or email him and verify that his quote "when Wacksman was a pediatrician in Florida" is correct.
Here's the phone info from the site.
Readers can reach Forum reporter Dave Olson at (701) 241-5555

Reporter Dave Forster contributed to this story.

[Cowgirl]

Sometimes my own naivete surprises me! I remember reading that the good doctor said he met Duncan when he was a pediatrician in Florida and I just dismissed it as a mistake made by the reporter. I would also like to know just when they did meet in San Francisco. Was it 1995 or 1997? It just seems to me if they met in 1997 that was awfully soon for the doctor to be vouching for a sex offender, isn't it? I mean, I don't think it is ever right, but if he had just met the guy a few months before that revocation hearing held in 8/97, how could he even sell that to his wife? or even himself? He was saying the guy could live with him...WTF? Is Wacksman bisexual? Omnisexual? (meaning he will do anyone of any age?)

I really feel he had to have met Duncan in 1995 or else how would he even try to sell that nonsense to a parole board? Lemme go root around...oh, and Wacksman was practicing and living in Harwood, ND--right near Fargo--when Duncan was released from prison and moved there. I am sure the doctor was the reason Duncan moved there. He also vouched for Duncan when there was a local sex offender meeting. But it wasn't long after that the doctor moved to New Port Richey.

One other thing. Duncan's blog entry about one of the Florida trips he made said the doctor was getting another "doctorate" in Fort Lauderdale...that was the April 17-18, 2004 Florida visit. Fort Lauderdale is nowhere near the doctor's home in New Port Richey--it's almost 300 miles away. So perhaps Ft Lauderdale was where the doctor was going to school?

[fran]

Sometimes my own naivete surprises me! I remember reading that the good doctor said he met Duncan when he was a pediatrician in Florida and I just dismissed it as a mistake made by the reporter. I would also like to know just when they did meet in San Francisco.


FWIW, according to an entry in Duncan's blog, he met the Dr. in 1997, in his own words, when he was 'on the lamb.'

JMHO
fran

[mysteriew]

FWIW, according to an entry in Duncan's blog, he met the Dr. in 1997, in his own words, when he was 'on the lamb.'

JMHO
fran

Duncan met Whackman in 1997 and it was 1997 that Whackman testified for him in the parole hearing and offered to move him into his own home with his wife and children? And another "friend/aquaintance" covers a $15,000 check for him to keep him from bouncing a check on the court and going to jail? Either this guy's line is exceptionally good, or they have other connections. These are not uneducated people either, these are businessmen who are used to hearing lines from the public.

[Linda7NJ]

Duncan met Whackman in 1997 and it was 1997 that Whackman testified for him in the parole hearing and offered to move him into his own home with his wife and children? And another "friend/aquaintance" covers a $15,000 check for him to keep him from bouncing a check on the court and going to jail? Either this guy's line is exceptionally good, or they have other connections. These are not uneducated people either, these are businessmen who are used to hearing lines from the public.
I am half tempted to call my family doctor whom I have had a friendly relationship with for close to 20 years. We don't vacation together but do attend one anothers cook-outs and childrens birthday parties. I am so curious if I could get him to cut a check for 15k!

Of course I won't...but I am soooo tempted!

[fran]

Duncan met Whackman in 1997 and it was 1997 that Whackman testified for him in the parole hearing and offered to move him into his own home with his wife and children? And another "friend/aquaintance" covers a $15,000 check for him to keep him from bouncing a check on the court and going to jail? Either this guy's line is exceptionally good, or they have other connections. These are not uneducated people either, these are businessmen who are used to hearing lines from the public.

Sure.........the doctor knew him so well after meeting him in June 1997, that at the hearing in August 1997, the doctor not only offered to move him into his home with his wife and children, he offered to financially support him.

IN his blog, Duncan said if his doctor friend ever knew of his thoughts or that he had offended again, he wouldn't have anything to do with him. Yet, when Duncan is again in trouble for molestation, the doctor lends him $6,500. Go figure! :doh:

I believe this businessman who gave Duncan the $15,000 was the friend Duncan talked about in his blog that was going to help him straighten out his finances so he wouldn't be living from pay check to pay check. So here this respected businessman finds out his friend is again suspected of a sexual crime, so he gives him $$$. Double :doh: :doh:

JMHO
fran

[SeaHag]

Cowgirl, your timeline is incredible. Great work! I have one addition for you - based on this Crary guy's statement, JED was in Kansas City in between the time he received his mailed summons (3-4-05) and the time of the April court appearance (4-15-05) Here's what Crary said:

"Duncan had actually gone to Kansas City after receiving the summons and came back prior to the hearing. So naturally I thought if he was going to run from the charges, he would have already done so."

[Cowgirl]

Cowgirl, your timeline is incredible. Great work! I have one addition for you - based on this Crary guy's statement, JED was in Kansas City in between the time he received his mailed summons (3-4-05) and the time of the April court appearance (4-15-05) Here's what Crary said:

"Duncan had actually gone to Kansas City after receiving the summons and came back prior to the hearing. So naturally I thought if he was going to run from the charges, he would have already done so."Yes, when someone posted the news this morning, I did some correcting! A timeline is a living, breathing thing, always subject to corrections, and there will be many, I am sure, as time goes on. Here is the updated version as of this afternoon, that is:

1976...Tacoma WA--At age 12 started raping 6-10 yo kids, tying them up and using a gun to do it
1979...Ft Lewis WA--First offended age 15, stole car, police chase, probation at a boy's ranch, 150 hours community service
1-1980...Ft Lewis WA--Dropped out of High School, age 16, then same month more trouble, see next item
1-1980...Lakewood WA--16 years old, stole gun, raped 14 yo boy, got 20 years-suspended, Pierce County sheriff says he stole guns, beat, raped and burned his boy victim
1980...Pierce Co WA--Sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital in Steilacoom WA
3-1982...Pierce Co WA--Doctors diagnosed Duncan as passive-aggressive w/schizoid features and as a sexual sadist, revoked suspended sentence for leaving grounds twice/peeped in windows, sent to state pen
9-1994...Pierce Co WA--Released on parole after 14 years
1996...Pierce Co WA--Busted for pot/gun charge, parole revocation hearing held but just enhanced his reporting rules and didn't send him back to prison (actually violated several times but stayed free)
1996-97...Seattle WA--Revoked again for pot/gun/3 contacts with minors/not registering, ran to KC, MO in March of 1997-during one of the 1997 hearings Dr Wacksman vouched for him but was ignored
8-1997...Kansas City MO--Failed to register (that was official charge/he had left WA so it was escape) arrested by FBI, returned to prison on parole violation (back in Olympia WA) so new charges dropped
1999...Tacoma WA--Cited for fighting in prison, rated medium risk of future violence
7-14-00...Tacoma WA--Released from prison (discharged so no parole)
7-24-00...Fargo ND--Registered as sex offender in Fargo, job at Teleforce Inc and went to school at ND State Univ and was a phi kappa phi member, so had to be bright student
9-27-00...Fargo ND--Police Dept conducted a community sex offender/child molester notification
2000-01...Fargo ND--As university student made deans list twice, called wonderful employee
11-02...Tacoma WA--Spent Thanksgiving with family--made video record
8-4-03...Crosby MN--Went skin diving and participated in treasure hunt
10-3-03...Fargo ND--late night visit from police w/warning to stop bothering women downtown-wrongly!
12-03...Tacoma WA--Spent Christmas with family members-mother and siblings
2-19-04...Kensington MN--went skiing with CEO boss and his 5 yo son (yikes) per blog at Andes Towers
2-25/29-04...Tampa FL--3/1 blog says just ret'd from Florida vacation-met up w/ Wacksman
4-15-04...Fargo ND--police do routine sex offender visit which Duncan feels is harassment
4-17/18-04...Ft Lauderdale FL--blog says visited "doctor" friend (New Port Richey) and went diving in surf
4-24/25-04...Minneapolis MN--w/visiting teacher friend from Concord CA went to Mall of America
5-5-04...Fargo ND--Duncan sends open letter to chief of police lamenting his unnecessary offender status
5-6-04...Fargo ND--Police Chief answers letter, sorry, tough (politely) but w/157 sex offenders in city...
5-19-04...Fargo ND--Duncan is dreaming about going back to prison while whining about his "branding"
7-3-04...Becker Co MN--Offense on 2 boys-Detroit Lakes, MN (50 mi E of Fargo) pulled down pants/touched 6 yo, had videocamera, at playground/attempt on 8 yo/they ID'd him and red Pontiac Grand Am/his pic on sex offender database
8-20-04...Fargo ND--Duncan's house/car were searched by LE in connection with molesting Becker Co kids per blog
3-4-05...Detroit Lakes MN--Becker Co indicts Duncan for 7-3-04 assault, but instead of arresting him, mails him a summons
3-12/13-05...Key West FL--per blog mini vacation-post shows he's rationalizing fate/also visited New Port Richey home of Dr Wacksman
4-2005...LE again search Duncan's home--suspected of not reporting a move (this event may be part of next)
4-5-05...Becker Co MN--Judge Schroeder sets bond at $15K which Duncan posts by personal check-later his friend Joe Crary wrote him a check to cover his own check for which he didn't have the funds
4-14/15-05...Dr Richard Wacksman, Florida pal Duncan met in San Fran, lent Duncan $6500 (date approximate)
4-15-05...Becker Co MN--Duncan made court appearance for accusation of two boys, 6&8, now 7&9
4-15-05...St Paul MN--Duncan rented red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, due back 4-20, (must have left his own red Grand Am at agency?)
4-18/22-05...Becker Co MN--Duncan failed to report to probation officer during week, bond revoked
4-27-05...Newton Co MO--License plates stolen from Newton County, MO (Joplin area)
5-4-05...St Paul MN--Red 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee not returned-due 4/20-reported stolen
5-1/15-05...Bighorn Canyon Natl Park WY--Discarded key tag from Jeep found near park dumpster in trash
5-6-05...Fargo ND--Arrest warrant issued for failure to report
5-10-05...computer--Duncan emailed Fargo upstairs neighbor Joni Buzick to ask her to take care of cats Cryptic message said "life just isn't worth it," and that he was truly sorry
5-13-05...website--Blog entry about turning self in, may die first or hurt "society"/same day Fargo cops contacted Dr Wacksman who told them about $6500 loan to Duncan "for attorney fees"
5-15-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Groene BBQ held, last day kids seen
5-16-05...Becker Co MN--Duncan missed court date for Detroit Lakes offense-Becker County MN bail forfeited
5-16-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Bodies of Brenda (40) & Slade (13) Groene, Mark (37) McKenzie found but kids missing, Steve Groene (father) begs for the kids to be surrendered
5-17-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner sought and Amber alert issued for Groene kids
5-18-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Robert Roy Lutner surrenders, passes polygraph, cleared and released
5-19-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Autopsies show drugs in bodies of the dead
5-20/22-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Steve Groene volunteers for polygraph/fails part of it, swears innocence
6-1-05...Becker Co MN--Federal arrest warrant issued for Duncan for MN offense and jumping bail
7-2-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan arrested in Denny's at 2-3:00am with Shasta Groene
7-4-05...St Regis MT--Probable remains of Dylan Groene (9) found off Little Joe Rd in St Regis, Lolo National Forest area/sent to Quantico VA for DNA testing
7-5-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan's first court appearance (remote)/PD Lynn Nelson/2 counts kidnapping with intent to rape or L&L or seriously injure, DP on table/Duncan weeps during proceeding in yellow jumpsuit
7-6/8-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Ben Wolfinger slowly releases details-Duncan believed to have stayed in Idaho area entire time-killed victims at house with a hammer-children taken alive in alternate vehicle-a white pickup truck found abandoned 1/4 mile away from crime scene-kids probably didn't witness murders
7-10-05...Quantico VA--FBI releases DNA test results-remains found in St Regis camp site are Dylan Groene
7-12-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Duncan charged w/3 counts of murder in closed prob cause hearing-Judge Scott Wayman-feds will file kidnapping chrgs-he stalked neighborhood hunting children for several days w/night vision glasses before bursting in home w/shotgun and hammer/also news that Dylan was cremated but MT will prosecute that murder charge because he was found in that state

7-19-05...Coeur D'Alene ID--Preliminary hearing court date with Judge Benjamin Simpson

[surf_moon_stars]

Timeline in question....

January 1980 - March 1982

Does anyone know if Duncan's sex offender program was outpatient, or
he was actually in there receiving inpatient sentencing/thereapy for a period of time??

It seems from the time line he did spend time in there in that timeline due to the information: sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital in WA (listed on cowgirl's timeline.)

It does say he was caught for leaving the grounds twice during that time, thus I think of course, for being moved to state pen for all of the above reasons mentioned.

Was he in an inpatient program the ENTIRE time he was receiving treatment at Western State Hosptial, or did he do inpatient, then outpatient, then off to state pen?


Any information would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks for listening.

[surf_moon_stars]

Hi cowgirl.

You are so kind for this timeline.

I just wanted to bring this date to your attention while I was following timelines... I bolded the area in question below.
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3-4-05...Detroit Lakes MN--Becker Co indicts Duncan for 7-3-05 assault, but instead of arresting him, mails him a summons.


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I just wanted you to know because you worked you behind off to put this in order, that your poor eyes and hands must be so tired from your hard work.

You are a doll, and your time on this information is so appreciated. :D

[Cowgirl]

Timeline in question....

January 1980 - March 1982

Does anyone know if Duncan's sex offender program was outpatient, or
he was actually in there receiving inpatient sentencing/thereapy for a period of time??

It seems from the time line he did spend time in there in that timeline due to the information: sentenced to sex offender program at Western State Hospital in WA (listed on cowgirl's timeline.)

It does say he was busted for leaving the grounds twice during that time, thus I think of course, for being moved to state pen for all of the above reasons mentioned.

Was he in an inpatient program the ENTIRE time he was receiving treatment at this place, or did he do inpatient, then outpatient, then off to state pen?


Any information would be great appreciated.


Thanks for listening.The boys ranch was inpatient but it must have been brief. After he left there, he got in the rape trouble in Jan 1980 and because he was about to turn 17 they suspended his twenty year sentence in the pen and sent him to the hospital instead. The hospital program was also inpatient, but apparently the security was mimimum because he was caught peeping in windows, etc. That, coupled with his diagnosis as a sexual sadist, flushed him out of that program and they sent him to the pen 3/82. He did not hit the street again until he got paroled in September of 1994.

[Tom'sGirl]

The boys ranch was inpatient but it must have been brief. After he left there, he got in the rape trouble in Jan 1980 and because he was about to turn 17 they suspended his twenty year sentence in the pen and sent him to the hospital instead. The hospital program was also inpatient, but apparently the security was mimimum because he was caught peeping in windows, etc. That, coupled with his diagnosis as a sexual sadist, flushed him out of that program and they sent him to the pen 3/82. He did not hit the street again until he got paroled in September of 1994.
Cowgirl, wasn't this where Duncan's mother came to visit him, staying in an on premise cabin?

[Cowgirl]

Cowgirl, wasn't this where Duncan's mother came to visit him, staying in an on premise cabin?Oh, I never heard that story at all, Tom's Girl. Come on, give! Actually, I have heard almost nothing about his poor mother. I only have one child, a son, and I try to wrap my mind around what that would feel like. My son is a big strapping strong adult, and he had his growing pains, but he never got spanked, ever. Not because I don't believe in it because I do if it is called for, and some kids, it is called for! But Mike could not handle "the look" which was apparently established in his little mind very early on. He is over 30 now, but even now he says the look works on him!

Nancy Grace is covering these murders right now.

[Cowgirl]

Hi cowgirl.

You are so kind for this timeline.

I just wanted to bring this date to your attention while I was following timelines... I bolded the area in question below.
__________________________________________________ ________-

3-4-05...Detroit Lakes MN--Becker Co indicts Duncan for 7-3-05 assault, but instead of arresting him, mails him a summons.


__________________________________________________ ______


I just wanted you to know because you worked you behind off to put this in order, that your poor eyes and hands must be so tired from your hard work.

You are a doll, and your time on this information is so appreciated. :DThanks, Surf, got it!

[fran]

Cowgirl:
Great timeline.

FWIW, I read in his blog that he met the doctor in a San Francisco coffee house when he was 'on the lamb,' as he said. He also mentioned seeing some graffetti dated 6/03/97. So I figure he was in San Francisco sometime between 6/97 or 7/97, as he was arrested in another state in 8/97. I think it was the hearing in 8/97 that the doctor started trying to get Duncan released to his care.

JMHO
fran

[surf_moon_stars]

Can someone please tell me if there is a website or phone number that we can report any information regarding this information?


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I am sure that all theories from the "amazing people" here seem to be something that I hope we can help LE help piece together whatever unsolved missing persons and homicide cases that are waiting for justice.


I truly don't think that this guy just picked up and did this from time to time on an impulse here and an impulse there....he had this impulse ALL THE TIME it seems to me.

He did not act out his impulse or rage on anyone close to him (that we know of) and yet as mentioned in one post Duncan was on vacation with his boss at one time with his boss' child (son I think, age 5 at the time ) or something to that extent....YIKES :eek:

Could there have been inappropriate behavior to this child ( I am so sorry to have to even say it) while with this family and the child too young (or too scared) to even say anything???? :(

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Being in and out of jail twice, and in court on several million occasions is
just pathetic becasue noone wanted to really take care of this person, and just let him get "lost" in the sytem from time to time.

I am sick at the fact that kids (on a daily basis) have probably been watched on a daily basis in his local neighborhood,city, mall, store, in every place he traveled in every city and state..... you get my point. :mad:


I just want to be able to know that there is a place on the site where we can help fill in the timelines of his activity between being out of jail in 1994 and being caught on July 2, 2005

(My apologies if there is a link and I missed it)


Edited to fix my babbling, I fixed it...sorry ...and to say cowgirl...it is a phone number or website link I am refering to for reporting information.

Your timeline has helped me Soooooooo much , and I am forever grateful to have this to help me piece this all together in such a short time. :clap:


Just my opinion



Thanks for listening

[mysteriew]

Can someone please tell me if there is a website or phone number that we can report any information regarding this information?

It all depends on what you want to report about. FBI is handling the kidnapping and Idaho is handling the murders- along with the FBI. Minn is handling the molestation and also the investigation of Leana Warner. Montana (and probably the FBI) is handling the investigation on Dylan. Fargo N.D. and probably FBI would be handling any searches and etc. in N.D. although it appears that he didn't commit any crimes there, that anyone has found anyway. To make a report you will need to determine the jurisdiction and then report it to the appropriate agency. I suspect that the FBI is going to be coordinating a lot of this, so you should probably send them a copy of any tips.
This one is a jurisdictional mess.

[Cowgirl]

Cowgirl:
Great timeline.

FWIW, I read in his blog that he met the doctor in a San Francisco coffee house when he was 'on the lamb,' as he said. He also mentioned seeing some graffetti dated 6/03/97. So I figure he was in San Francisco sometime between 6/97 or 7/97, as he was arrested in another state in 8/97. I think it was the hearing in 8/97 that the doctor started trying to get Duncan released to his care.

JMHO
franThanks, Fran! I have come to the same conclusion you have.

Nikki posted the blog part where this creep talked about being on the "lamb" (yeah, he's a real genius, isn't he? ha!) when he met the doctor and the other part about the grafitti and I think you are right. He didn't specify but I came to the same conclusion that you did that it had to be June or July of 97 that they met. So that is how I am posting it in the timeline, at least until something changes it or makes it more specific. It certainly does nothing to explain why a doctor -- a pediatrician yet -- would go to bat for some ex con child rapist he just met, does it? I know there is more to this story!

[surf_moon_stars]

Thank you mysteri. :clap:


I appreciate all of this.....

I am going to finish my researching of timelines.


Your post helped me out very much.



:D

[CountryGirl]

Cowgirl, from your timeline:
8-4-03...Crosby MN--Went skin diving and participated in treasure hunt


Steve at Planet Huff thinks JED3 was also there 6/07/03, the weekend before Beaner disappeared.


http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_groene_murders_and_kidnapping.html

I've detailed in entries here and here, specifically, that Joseph Duncan really had reasons in his own mind to worry when he discussed in his very first Blogging the Fifth Nail entry the June 14, 2003 disappearance of Leanna "Beaner" Warner from Chisholm, Minnesota. I was able to show that Duncan was in the general vicinity of Chisholm several times that summer, based on his own webpages dedicated to photos taken while scuba-diving. Though there were only 3 webpages of his scuba photos originally, that I know of, he stated that he did over 20 dives. He was possibly as close to Chisholm as Crosby, Minnesota the weekend before Leanna's disappearance --June 7, 2003. A new map of Duncan's movements as depicted by the dive photo pages, more detailed than previous maps I've posted, can be found at the bottom of this entry.

[Cowgirl]

Cowgirl, from