Kidnapping with Intent of Committing Sexual Acts or Causing Serious Injury

[indigomood]

COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho - Joseph Edward Duncan III, a violent sexual predator arrested in the Shasta Groene abduction, was charged Tuesday with kidnapping two children with the intent of committing sexual acts or causing serious injury.

The pair of first-degree kidnapping charges do not say who the victims are, but identify them as 8-year-old "S.G." and 9-year-old "D.G" because they are minors. The abductions, charging papers say, occurred during the period of May 15 to July 2, and that the children were held both in and out of the state of Idaho.

The intent of the crimes, the documents say, was to rape, seriously injure or commit a lewd and lascivious act on a child under 16 years old. Convictions can carry the death penalty or life in prison.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/idaho_missing_children;_ylt=Agk13O6voHpU6M.KRlDzki Ks0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

[lady-eowyn]

That just makes me sick...and I want to cry everytime I see pictures of her in the convenient store...she looks so lonely. I'm so glad she's with her daddy.

I hope that this POS does get the DP....:furious:

[IdahoMom]

The intent of the crimes, the documents say, was to rape, seriously injure or commit a lewd and lascivious act on a child under 16 years old. Convictions can carry the death penalty or life in prison.



:furious: :furious: :furious: I vote DEATH PENALTY!:bang: :furious: :furious: :furious:

[Casshew]

Convictions can carry the death penalty or life in prison.

Well thats good news.. too bad they didn't give him either of these sentences when he raped the 14 year old boy :mad:

[ISPTRAX]

I've read his blogs and he's obviously a very disturbed, demonized individual. I'm sure this was all premeditated (according to his blogs), yet I wonder what the connection to this particular family was (if any). Sounds like he just wanted to lash out and go out with a bang. Too bad it wasn't to the bang of an officer's revolver. It makes me sick to think that he may get off on an insanity plea... as that looks like what he set it up to be. This guy isn't right "upstairs", and did plead for help. His demons from his childhood caught up to him and he couldn't handle it. I wonder what his "crying Mother" is thinking now? She probably knew all about it...

[indigomood]

I've read his blogs and he's obviously a very disturbed, demonized individual. I'm sure this was all premeditated (according to his blogs), yet I wonder what the connection to this particular family was (if any). Sounds like he just wanted to lash out and go out with a bang. Too bad it wasn't to the bang of an officer's revolver. It makes me sick to think that he may get off on an insanity plea... as that looks like what he set it up to be. This guy isn't right "upstairs", and did plead for help. His demons from his childhood caught up to him and he couldn't handle it. I wonder what his "crying Mother" is thinking now? She probably knew all about it...
Suicide by cop sounds like a reasonable end to his sorry life, too bad Duncan didn't see it as a viable option.

SG apparently told authorities that Duncan was a stranger and was responsible for the murders of her family. It will be interesting to see if he is somehow linked to this family...

[OMGosh05]

This SOB needs to be castrated (painkillers/anesthesia excluded) and then beaten to death.

I'm sorry if I sound violent, but thinking about what this demon did to these kids, to this family, makes me so angry, so f'n angry. :furious:

How can people be so evil, how can they be so cruel? I just don't understand that logic. He blames society for the monster he is? He's bitter with society because he spent 15+ years in prison? I don't get it, did society force him to rape that boy at 16? A lot of people have been hurt or have been abused beyond belief (i.e. Dave Pelzer), but because of that, they choose to END that cycle of violence and turn all that hurt and pain into positive energy for doing good.

All this "society did this to me" crap was just this monsters scapegoat. He's just plain evil period, no ifs and/or buts. He's the worst of the worst. I have no pity for him. :furious:

[JDB]

This SOB needs to be castrated (painkillers/anesthesia excluded) and then beaten to death.

I'm sorry if I sound violent, but thinking about what this demon did to these kids, to this family, makes me so angry, so f'n angry. :furious:

How can people be so evil, how can they be so cruel? I just don't understand that logic. He blames society for the monster he is? He's bitter with society because he spent 15+ years in prison? I don't get it, did society force him to rape that boy at 16? A lot of people have been hurt or have been abused beyond belief (i.e. Dave Pelzer), but because of that, they choose to END that cycle of violence and turn all that hurt and pain into positive energy for doing good.

All this "society did this to me" crap was just this monsters scapegoat. He's just plain evil period, no ifs and/or buts. He's the worst of the worst. I have no pity for him. :furious:

I disagree what needs to be done to any child molesters of Male being is this. Take them to a cabin Pound a nail through you know where. Set the cabin on fire and throw a rusty knife inside and yesll Live or Die

[fran]

:furious: :furious: :furious: I vote DEATH PENALTY!:bang: :furious: :furious: :furious:


Me too!

fran

[kpass]

Well thats good news.. too bad they didn't give him either of these sentences when he raped the 14 year old boy :mad:

Right! WHAT the HELL was that judge thinking? He 'didn't know he was a class 3 SEXUAL PREDATOR!!!!!!' C'mon, I don't buy that...this piece of **** shouldn't have been able to get out on $15,000 bail, let alone any bail at all!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUSTICE FAILED:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

This is so so so sad, poor little Shasta, all we can do now is pray for her, thank God she has her dad.

[mysteriew]

This SOB needs to be castrated (painkillers/anesthesia excluded) and then beaten to death.

I'm sorry if I sound violent, but thinking about what this demon did to these kids, to this family, makes me so angry, so f'n angry. :furious:

How can people be so evil, how can they be so cruel? I just don't understand that logic. He blames society for the monster he is? He's bitter with society because he spent 15+ years in prison? I don't get it, did society force him to rape that boy at 16? A lot of people have been hurt or have been abused beyond belief (i.e. Dave Pelzer), but because of that, they choose to END that cycle of violence and turn all that hurt and pain into positive energy for doing good.

All this "society did this to me" crap was just this monsters scapegoat. He's just plain evil period, no ifs and/or buts. He's the worst of the worst. I have no pity for him. :furious:

When you are done with him, could you finish up with the Minn. Judge?

I want to volunteer for the jury! Where can I sign up?

[indigomood]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050706/ap_on_re_us/idaho_missing_children_33

"Shasta and Dylan were repeatedly molested," Kootenai County Sheriff's Sgt. Brad Maskell wrote in a terse, handwritten affidavit released Tuesday. "Shasta saw Mr. Duncan molest Dylan."



How can we stop this insanity so that no other children are hurt by child molesters? When will it end? How many more injured or dead children will it take? How do we funnel our outrage to get the laws changed? Why can pedo's roam freely? :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

[TaylorJ4]

I am just so sickened and ANGRY over this situation...and how many more of these child rapists are wandering our streets right now? What does it TAKE to keep innocent children safe in their own homes?

My little ones sleep with me-last night I found myself waking up repeatedly just to make sure they were still there. What kind of world do we live in that a child is not safe while sleeping in their own beds?

What faith I have in human beings is rapidly being wiped out by all these horrible stories in the news...Samantha, Jessie, Shasta and Dylan...WHAT is going on?

Shannon:banghead: :mad:

[TexMex]

http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/0706/idaho_ap.html


"Shasta and Dylan were repeatedly molested," Kootenai County Sheriff's Sgt. Brad Maskell wrote in a terse, handwritten affidavit released Tuesday. "Shasta saw Mr. Duncan molest Dylan."
While it is the Associated Press' policy not to identify alleged victims of sexual assault in most cases, the search for the children and Shasta's recovery were so heavily publicized that their names were already widely known.

[dannyodie]

Right! WHAT the HELL was that judge thinking? He 'didn't know he was a class 3 SEXUAL PREDATOR!!!!!!' C'mon, I don't buy that...this piece of **** shouldn't have been able to get out on $15,000 bail, let alone any bail at all!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUSTICE FAILED:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

This is so so so sad, poor little Shasta, all we can do now is pray for her, thank God she has her dad.
I sure hope that whoever made the final decision to release him never gets a good nights rest from now on, how horribly sad for these two children to become a victim of this sort of crime. shasta will need all the support she can get for years. it is too bad that the justice system failed to keep a violant offender behind bars. what in the heck was on there mind? he had already been in jail on the same type of crimes against young boys and then was released and turned around and did the very same thing. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that he is going to continue doing this as long as he is out amoung the general public. if I were steve groene I would hold those responsible for allowing a monster out of its cage. he should sue for every dime he could get. the judge that granted his release should be ask to step down from his posistion, how could he have not known that this man would do this again and again, and again. I am sure that duncan was molested as a child, most if not all are molested or have witness molestation in their childhood. god will see to it that this man suffers the ultimate penalty for what he has done to so many people, we here on this earth could not even begin to understand what awaits those that have been evil their entire lives " an unquenchable fire " awaits him. god will take care of shasta and dylan is at more peace than anyone of us can imagine, his pain is gone and he is in the presence of an everlasting love. I truely hope the very best for shasta, she will have some very hard times later on when things start to settle down a little. I had mentioned once before that my family wanted to send her some gifts and don't know where to send them too, I understood the hospital has received a large amount of gifts and are running out of room. if anyone knows how I can send stuff to the family please private message me. if I let my crazy dog out of its cage and it hurt your child what would you do? if the judicial system in this nation keeps on letting these people out of jail then our children are at a great risk, seems they always have a reason as to why he was out. maybe they should let murders out too or is that to big of a risk?

[IdahoMom]

[QUOTE=dannyodie I had mentioned once before that my family wanted to send her some gifts and don't know where to send them too, I understood the hospital has received a large amount of gifts and are running out of room. if anyone knows how I can send stuff to the family please private message me. if I let my crazy dog out of its cage and it hurt your child what would you do? if the judicial system in this nation keeps on letting these people out of jail then our children are at a great risk, seems they always have a reason as to why he was out. maybe they should let murders out too or is that to big of a risk?[/QUOTE]
from ktvb.com:
Capt. Ben Wolfinger said that Shasta has received a lot of gifts from the community and the Kootenai County Medical Center can no longer handle all the gifts. People who want to help Shasta and her family should make monetary donations to U.S Bank branches in Coeur d'Alene or Inland Northwest Bank.

[Gracelin]

[QU. People who want to help Shasta and her family should make monetary donations to U.S Bank branches in Coeur d'Alene or Inland Northwest Bank. [/QUOTE]
Could this get it's own thread?
Steve will surely need funds to get him through for some time as Shasta will need him with her..

[lady-eowyn]

People who want to help Shasta and her family should make monetary donations to U.S Bank branches in Coeur d'Alene or Inland Northwest Bank.


Could this get it's own thread?
Steve will surely need funds to get him through for some time as Shasta will need him with her..
You may want to check with Admin first...I know they have rules on soliciting donations. Just don't want anyone to get in trouble.

[CaliKid]

Information was posted in the forum when donations were solicited for the Lunsford family after Jessica's murder.

[Beyond Belief]

I think he should be buried alive with Couey to keep him company.

[poco]

I disagree what needs to be done to any child molesters of Male being is this. Take them to a cabin Pound a nail through you know where. Set the cabin on fire and throw a rusty knife inside and yesll Live or Die

I like this the best!!!!

[Casshew]

I like this the best!!!!
I just want to take this opportunity to thank Poco for keeping me updated on this case via email this week when I was really busy at the office.

Thanks Poco!

[dannyodie]

I think he should be buried alive with Couey to keep him company.
heeey, now thats a good idea, they would make great company together!

[newtv]

I've read his blogs and he's obviously a very disturbed, demonized individual. I'm sure this was all premeditated (according to his blogs), yet I wonder what the connection to this particular family was (if any). Sounds like he just wanted to lash out and go out with a bang. Too bad it wasn't to the bang of an officer's revolver. It makes me sick to think that he may get off on an insanity plea... as that looks like what he set it up to be. This guy isn't right "upstairs", and did plead for help. His demons from his childhood caught up to him and he couldn't handle it. I wonder what his "crying Mother" is thinking now? She probably knew all about it...
I dont have an ounce of this type of thinking-he is evil. Some people are and they would be no matter what they had been put thru. Many a grown man has been beaten-abandoned, and raped as a child and do not hurt people as adults. I am not saying a heathly person describes him either. I am saying he is evil and evil is as evil does. He is depraved-an animal really and he should never see the light of day again.
I dont care who thinks he was reaching out-there is no excuse for this type of brutal crime-a family is washed out.
Maybe he was symbolically killing his own family -but who cares. I had a violent history at the hands of drunken parents and I have no interest in hurting children. I reached out often and nobody reached back.
My parents were monsters and I had the sense not to hurt children.
I have hurt other adults (in relationships-not physically). I have had to learn to get past alot so as not to respond to the world like my parents - but I have never molested or hit a child. I know its not anyones fault but my parents and now its my responsibility to contain myself.
I bet many here from crazy families reached out and nobody came..thats just not a theory I can hold with this brute.

[CaliKid]

The judge who freed JED is just as bad as the judge/jury who sat on the trial that allowed Alejandro Avila to go free and kill Samantha Runnion.

[poco]

I just want to take this opportunity to thank Poco for keeping me updated on this case via email this week when I was really busy at the office.

Thanks Poco!

Humpf!!!!! I still didn't receive my paycheck!

[mysteriew]

Sources said wounds on the bodies of Brenda Kay Groene, 40, her son, Slade Groene, 13, and boyfriend Mark Edward McKenzie, 37, show marks consistent with a hammer.

But earlier in the investigation Watson said the items used in the slayings were brought into the home by the killer.

Watson said the evidence shows that Joseph Edward Duncan III planned the abductions of Shasta Groene, 8, her brother, Dylan, 9, and the slayings.

Authorities said evidence indicates that Duncan acted alone.

"The victims were selected at random," Watson said, "but this was not a spontaneous act. He planned it."

Duncan, of Fargo, N.D., is being held without bail at the Kootenai County jail on two charges of first-degree kidnapping. He could face the death penalty.

Watson also said the killings appeared to be sexually motivated.

"That's certainly one of the theories investigators are looking into," sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said.

In the tape, Kootenai County sheriff's major crimes investigator, detective Sgt. Brad Maskell, described an interview conducted with Shasta.

In it, Maskell said Shasta was awakened when her mother called to her and told her to come into the living room. Maskell said Shasta then watched as Duncan tied up everyone in the home.

Shasta told investigators Duncan carried her and Dylan out to a pickup truck and drove from the property before transferring them into a red Jeep Laredo.

Watson confirmed on Thursday a white pickup confiscated after the killings near a neighbor's home about a quarter-mile away was used in the abductions.

Shasta also said she never met Duncan before and no one else was involved in the alleged abduction.

Maskell also testified how Shasta told them about being taken to campsites near St. Regis, where she and her brother suffered repeated acts of sexual abuse at the hands of their abductor.

Watson said this crime will likely go a long way toward changing the way criminal profilers look at murders of this kind.

"He's not filling the profile of what we were led to believe from looking at that crime scene," he said.

Watson said the crime scene suggested the killer was somebody who had "personal knowledge and personal anger of the people in that house ... to create a crime scene that angry.

"To be that angry with somebody, they would have to know them, to have done something to them," Watson said. "All of our indications are the family didn't know this man."

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/08/news/news02.txt