Shasta Groene Faces Long Road to Recovery

[mysteriew]

Now, she faces a new life with different family members and the psychological fallout from her ordeal.

Privacy laws prevent Kootenai Medical Center from releasing any details of Shasta's condition, but family members say she did not suffer any physical injuries.

The hospital may still be the best place for her, Domitor said. "It gives her a place of safety and security," he said. "It allows medical professionals an opportunity to talk gently with this child."

By all counts, Shasta has already been a remarkable witness. She has described for law enforcement officers the night of her abduction, helped them pinpoint the Montana campsites where she and Dylan were kept, and told them Duncan was the only person involved.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161777,00.html

[Floh]

This is an appalling question to ask, i know, but how could this little girl not suffer physical injury when she was raped?

:tears rolling down my face:


wishing her everything . . .

[amandab]

This is an appalling question to ask, i know, but how could this little girl not suffer physical injury when she was raped?

:tears rolling down my face:


wishing her everything . . .

As much as it turns my stomach to think of it, Shashta didn't necessarily have to be raped to be sexually assaulted.

[mysteriew]

Even if she was raped, they don't consider breaking the hymen to be an injury I don't think. Rape alone doesn't have to cause a physical injury. It is usually the violence that goes with it that provides for a physical injury. He must have taken care in the rape, or her body was sufficiently grown enough that she was able to take the intrusion without injury. Injury and hurt are too different things.
Now psychologically she had to have been injured. She saw or heard of her mother, brother and step father's death- she saw herself and her brother being hurt/assaulted and may have seen her brother's death. Psychologically she recieved a severe injury not only due to the rapes, but she could later suffer survivor's guilt.

[Shazzie]

As much as it turns my stomach to think of it, Shashta didn't necessarily have to be raped to be sexually assaulted.
True. But those kids WERE both raped. The word "rape" has been used repeatedly in the news reports, in a manner that leaves no doubt what is meant. :(

[newtv]

True. But those kids WERE both raped. The word "rape" has been used repeatedly in the news reports, in a manner that leaves no doubt what is meant. :(
i cant imagine a rape that doesnt injur-its about injuring-its about power and making the victim afraid..if he is as brutal as his record indicates-if he can murder without a seoond thot - there is no way on gods earth he did not hurt her, (unless he couldnt perform with a girl and raped her in other ways that did not involve penetration..its just so very sick.

[newtv]

Even if she was raped, they don't consider breaking the hymen to be an injury I don't think. Rape alone doesn't have to cause a physical injury. It is usually the violence that goes with it that provides for a physical injury. He must have taken care in the rape, or her body was sufficiently grown enough that she was able to take the intrusion without injury. Injury and hurt are too different things.
Now psychologically she had to have been injured. She saw or heard of her mother, brother and step father's death- she saw herself and her brother being hurt/assaulted and may have seen her brother's death. Psychologically she recieved a severe injury not only due to the rapes, but she could later suffer survivor's guilt.
well they should consider it an injury..its totally an invasion before the kid is old enough to be able to handle it-if she was penetrated it would hurt and I cant imagine he was gentle..and if he sodomized then she was hurt..I woud like to know what they mean by physical injury.

[kpass]

I think when they say she's 'physically' ok, they mean she 'appears' to be physically ok...on the OUTSIDE. However, the psychological scars she'll suffer I'm sure will cause her PAIN regardless, for many, many years.

[mysteriew]

It is a difference of degree. You can twist someone's arm and not break it or cause it to pop out of socket thus- no injury. Or you can twist someone's arm and cause it to pop out of socket or break. Thus an injury. Both hurt.
Shasta was hurt, but no physical injury is what they are saying. She did not require surgery, there were no broken bones. At least from her pictures you don't see bruises. That does not mean she wasn't hurt. Just no injury- no broken bones or breaks in the skin or so forth.
Her injury is going to be mainly psychological.

[CaliKid]

I think it's going to take a long time for her to overcome this. I hope she's encouraged to get the help she needs for as long as she needs it.

[dasgal]

I can't image this poor child's injury BOTH physically and emotionally. I hate to bring up this horrible fact, but the man liked raping little boys. What is to think the hymen was involved at all? It's just too wickedly horrible to even concieve.

I pray that young Shasta can get past this. She watched the murder of her family, the rape of her brother, and then endured the rapes or molestation herself. Not to mention being a hostage of sorts. Did you see some of the video with her walking around looking at everyone EVERYONE with those large pleading eyes hoping that someone would notice???? I can't imagine a worse nightmare for anyone, much less a young girl.

[gitana1]

If anyone saw the convenience store surveillance video showing Shasta and that sicko the day she was rescued, you can see a little frightened girl who is walking with her legs far apart, splaying from side to side. This child was probably repeatedly raped. I think she could barely walk as a result. If this is not injured, I don't know what is. Check out the videos on another thread here to see how absolutely, deranged this monster is. After viewing that, I think this kid was subjected to the worst. These vermin have to be stopped. I heard that Americans are more concerned with child molesters than terrorism. Despite the events this morning, I understand that. Florida has instiuted a law mandating 27 years to life for monsters who commit certain sex crimes against children. That's what every state needs. Better yet, how about a one strike, no possibility of parole? I am outraged. It's just got to stop. For those who think molestation is not as bad as murder and thus does not merit an equivalent sentence, think of this: Molesters are prolific. They molest as many as they can. And some of those kids become molesters. It keeps growing. And, this is not about a sexual preference or "love" for kids or "attraction" to them. It is about domination, control and subjugation of the weak and helpless. It is about torture. Not just some guy tickling a kid inappropriatley (which is bad enough). I firmly believe and have always believed that every molester is on the road to murder, when the need for bigger "thrills" builds. They are demons. We have the power to exorcise them from this country. For God's sake, let's do it!

[Peabody]

I know we don't have any say so, but in my opinion it would be a wonderful thing IF the people entitled to the Reward Money would donate it to a trust fund to cover the medical costs of counseling that little Shasta will need. The two teenage boys and the waitresses in Denny's were not calling the police because they wanted money: they were calling because they wanted Shasta to be safe.

For Shasta to ever feel safe again, she is going to need not only the unconditional love of her family, but also long term counseling by a very qualified professional.

But, the Reward Money aside, we should be willing to donate to a trust fund that could be established soley to cover her medical expenses. There are surely honest, caring, qualified people who could manage the trust without requiring the regular fees.

I estimate there are about 5,000 websleuth members - let's say 1,000 members donate $10.00 - we already have a trust fund of $100,000.00 to help defray her counseling.

All of us are talking of how much we care for Shasta - perhaps we should put our money where our mouths are..............

Just my two cents :twocents: :twocents:




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[kahskye]

Even if she was raped, they don't consider breaking the hymen to be an injury I don't think. Rape alone doesn't have to cause a physical injury. It is usually the violence that goes with it that provides for a physical injury. He must have taken care in the rape, or her body was sufficiently grown enough that she was able to take the intrusion without injury. Injury and hurt are too different things.

I'm not sure how to word this, but I find it hard to believe there was no sign of intrusion if Shasta was repeately molested like she said. Maybe all of the molestation wasn't rape because to me it would seem that there would be some physical evidence of penetration like redness, irritation. Could it be possible that Shasta has been a victim to rape prior to Duncan, one reason her small body could take his intrusion?

[Shazzie]

I'm not sure how to word this, but I find it hard to believe there was no sign of intrusion if Shasta was repeately molested like she said. Maybe all of the molestation wasn't rape because to me it would seem that there would be some physical evidence of penetration like redness, irritation. Could it be possible that Shasta has been a victim to rape prior to Duncan, one reason her small body could take his intrusion?Please, could we not go there? :eek:

I know people like to theorize, but we have absolutely NO proof and no real reason to believe anything like that. I think this family has been through enough without strangers inventing new and completely unfounded suspicions and accusations against them.

Sorry if these comments offend anyone, but THAT comment really upset ME. :(

[Anarinda]

I'm not sure how to word this, but I find it hard to believe there was no sign of intrusion if Shasta was repeately molested like she said. Maybe all of the molestation wasn't rape because to me it would seem that there would be some physical evidence of penetration like redness, irritation. Could it be possible that Shasta has been a victim to rape prior to Duncan, one reason her small body could take his intrusion? Breaking they hymen I don't think is considered an injury. Vaginal or rectal tearing is.

Shasta is back home BTW it was just reported on CNN, and doing well (I assume as well as can be expected).

[Floh]

Breaking they hymen I don't think is considered an injury. Vaginal or rectal tearing is.

Shasta is back home BTW it was just reported on CNN, and doing well (I assume as well as can be expected).

Breaking the hymen of a small girl of 8 by a matue male's penis engaging in intercourse is a different matter, IMO.

[Anarinda]

Breaking the hymen of a small girl of 8 by a matue male's penis engaging in intercourse is a different matter, IMO. I would completely agree with you, however a hymen can be broken by actions other than intercourse even in a girl of Shasta's age, so I think that in and of itself will not mean much in evidence. What will say much more is Shasta's testimony and the broken hymen and possible DNA evidence.

[Floh]

I would completely agree with you, however a hymen can be broken by actions other than intercourse even in a girl of Shasta's age, so I think that in and of itself will not mean much in evidence. What will say much more is Shasta's testimony and the broken hymen and possible DNA evidence.

I know a hymen can be broken other than intercourse.

i would be astonished if he did rape her it wasn't physically apparent her vagina had been invaded by a mature male penis, is what i mean. and RECENTLY! :(

Shasta's testimony is vital, aslo, and i hope everyone who counts believes her.

[Keona]

I feel SOOOOO sorry for Shasta! That's just heartbreaking!!

Poor child..My heart aches for her :(

Family dead, only survivor, I wish I could have her!!

[tipper]

I feel SOOOOO sorry for Shasta! That's just heartbreaking!!

Poor child..My heart aches for her :(

Family dead, only survivor, I wish I could have her!!
Her father, Steve, might object.

[Keona]

Her father, Steve, might object.
Object to what? Me feeling sorry for her?

[newtv]

I know we don't have any say so, but in my opinion it would be a wonderful thing IF the people entitled to the Reward Money would donate it to a trust fund to cover the medical costs of counseling that little Shasta will need. The two teenage boys and the waitresses in Denny's were not calling the police because they wanted money: they were calling because they wanted Shasta to be safe.

For Shasta to ever feel safe again, she is going to need not only the unconditional love of her family, but also long term counseling by a very qualified professional.

But, the Reward Money aside, we should be willing to donate to a trust fund that could be established soley to cover her medical expenses. There are surely honest, caring, qualified people who could manage the trust without requiring the regular fees.

I estimate there are about 5,000 websleuth members - let's say 1,000 members donate $10.00 - we already have a trust fund of $100,000.00 to help defray her counseling.

All of us are talking of how much we care for Shasta - perhaps we should put our money where our mouths are..............

Just my two cents :twocents: :twocents:




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you know that would be nice but I hunch that the citizens of the world are going to be there for her..I would not be surprised if rosie odonnell and others of that ilk have already offered.
I think the reward is safe going elsewhere (in that it wont hurt shasta). When something is made so public many who can afford to offer scholarships-therapy money and so on. And one day her story rights will be bought.
One day she will be interviewed if she agrees and tell us all about this. I think she will be ok-people will help now. (OK for money and support).

[newtv]

I know a hymen can be broken other than intercourse.

i would be astonished if he did rape her it wasn't physically apparent her vagina had been invaded by a mature male penis, is what i mean. and RECENTLY! :(

Shasta's testimony is vital, aslo, and i hope everyone who counts believes her.
Thats what I think too and if he killed the family with hammers-raped them over and over, how could she not be hurt. I dont see him having gentle sex with anyone.
Maybe they are only referring to being beaten /broken bones, etc.
It makes no sense that an 8 year old be sexualized in any way and not hurt her..why call it rape if it didnt hurt her. The whole point of rape is power over another - noone is nice when they rape.

[Cowgirl]

If anyone saw the convenience store surveillance video showing Shasta and that sicko the day she was rescued, you can see a little frightened girl who is walking with her legs far apart, splaying from side to side. This child was probably repeatedly raped. I think she could barely walk as a result. If this is not injured, I don't know what is. Check out the videos on another thread here to see how absolutely, deranged this monster is. After viewing that, I think this kid was subjected to the worst. I noticed how she was walking and I was surprised no one else mentioned it. Can you imagine how uncomfortable she was? It was said in one of the news reports that she had diarrhea which they attributed to some type of bacterial infection she picked up that is often associated with drinking unpure water where animals are. It was also said that where the two camping areas were, there was no source of bathing or simming water, so she probably didn't have any way to clean herself off very well or often, making her discomfort all the worse, poor child.

But of course, her psychological wounds are probably far deeper.

[dbmthur]

This is an appalling question to ask, i know, but how could this little girl not suffer physical injury when she was raped?

:tears rolling down my face:


wishing her everything . . .
I was thinking the same thing

[aheddle]

Object to what? Me feeling sorry for her?

To the statement that she has no family and you would like to have her.

Her father is her family now.

[Tom'sGirl]

I would completely agree with you, however a hymen can be broken by actions other than intercourse even in a girl of Shasta's age, so I think that in and of itself will not mean much in evidence. What will say much more is Shasta's testimony and the broken hymen and possible DNA evidence.
We're all speculating on the report [ "repeatedly molested the eight-year-old girl and her nine-year-old brother, according to court documents.]

Repeatedly molested in the case of Shasta does not necessarily mean there was penetration it could have meant in other ways.

In the case of Dylan, we will probably never know due to the conditon of his remains.

[Casshew]

In the case of Dylan, we will probably never know due to the conditon of his remains.
Shasta is an eye witness to what poor Dylan went through. :(

[Beyond Belief]

I have absolute faith in Shasta. I believe if, I shouldn't say if, when the same kind of counciling is given to her that E. Smart received, I believe you will see the same type of wonderful young woman emerge like E. Smart. Shasta is a child that our nation can be proud of. She is truly a heroine.

[Tom'sGirl]

Shasta is an eye witness to what poor Dylan went through. :(
You're right, Shasta had to have know about his death as was indicated by news articles which lead them to the site.

What I meant was, there would be no physical evidence unfortunately to know ALL that was done to poor Dylan that perhaps Shasta didn't witness.

It will more than likely be determined hopefully what was the cause of death such as an injury to the head or other.

[Cowgirl]

You're right, Shasta had to have know about his death as was indicated by news articles which lead them to the site.

What I meant was, there would be no physical evidence unfortunately to know ALL that was done to poor Dylan that perhaps Shasta didn't witness.

It will more than likely be determined hopefully what was the cause of death such as an injury to the head or other.I certainly prefer to think along those lines. However, the guy was diagnosed at a very young age to be a sexual sadist. That type of sicko likes both to terrorize his victim and do sick things to him. He isn't just content with doing the sick things. He is turned on by his victim's fear and terror. When he raped that 14 year old boy at the tender age of 16, he burned him and fired a gun at him twice with nothing in the chamber just to scare the daylights out of the poor kid.