View Full Version : Came across Duncan's encrypted stuff...
Linda7NJ
07-08-2005, 11:35 PM
LINKS TO PGP ENCRYPTED MESSAGES
Posted on July 5, 2005 at 23:22:28 by seeknjustice
i just found this, and i thought since you have such a huge site, you might be able to draw attention to it, or maybe you know of someone that can decrypt all this stuff i found.
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=jetd&start=60&hl=en& (http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=jetd&start=60&hl=en&)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.anonymous.messages/browse_frm/thread/ac5764d1d79d77e5/25eff1c5ccc7ded9?q=jetd&rnum=68&hl=en#25eff1c5ccc7ded9 (http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.anonymous.messages/browse_frm/thread/ac5764d1d79d77e5/25eff1c5ccc7ded9?q=jetd&rnum=68&hl=en#25eff1c5ccc7ded9)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.anonymous.messages/browse_frm/thread/47cd42af409ed31e/dde47018cd27dbb5?q=jetd&rnum=69&hl=en#dde47018cd27dbb5 (http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.anonymous.messages/browse_frm/thread/47cd42af409ed31e/dde47018cd27dbb5?q=jetd&rnum=69&hl=en#dde47018cd27dbb5)
it looks like joe duncan also goes by the name of "Joe Price" "Happy Joe" "JetD" "5th Nail" on these altnews list - some of which when googled come up with links to blank pages that he claims are filled with porn and certain illegal files.
SOURCE:
http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1120630948&user=DarksideSteve
From a news article:
On May 13, he wrote, "I am working on an encrypted journal that is hundreds of times more frank than this blog could ever be (that's why I keep it encrypted). I figure in 30 years or more we will have the technology to easily crack the encryption (currently very un-crackable, PGP) and then the world will know who I really was, and what I really did, and what I really thought."
Police said they are currently working on decrypting the journal.
SOURCE:
http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050708InsidetheMindofaSexualPsychopathBlogger.ht ml
Oh How I hope they can crack it!!!
mysteriew
07-09-2005, 08:24 AM
I would love to find someone who knows how to read this stuff.
I am glad that they are looking into "Beaner" but somehow I think he was innocent of that one. As paranoid as this guy is, he would have expected that LE would read his blog. (Even though probably no one would have if he hadn't taken off in Minn.). I think we will find out he is cleared of "Beaner". I think this was a "red herring" that he put into the blog to give LE something to chase down. He could sit back and laugh at them doing the work on this one. But I don't think he would have mentioned her on a public blog, if he was guilty of this one.
Now the encrypted info., may be another story. Depending on his arrogance, it is either a message for LE, "spitting in their face" or his last will and testament. Or if he was really arrogant enough to be believe that they couldn't beat his encryption- they might find info there about crimes. But for some reason I doubt it.
Edited to add: I just found this. JED thinks that the encryption code is uncrackable:
Friday, May 13, 2005 I wish I could be more honest about my feelings, but those demons made sure I'd never be able to do that. I might not know if it matters, but just in case, I am working on an encrypted journal that is hundreds of times more frank than this blog could ever be (that's why I keep it encrypted). I figure in 30 years or more we will have the technology to easily crack the encryption (currently very un-crackable, PGP) and then the world will know who I really was, and what I really did, and what I really thought. http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/07/news/news02.txt
newtv
07-09-2005, 02:29 PM
I would love to find someone who knows how to read this stuff.
I am glad that they are looking into "Beaner" but somehow I think he was innocent of that one. As paranoid as this guy is, he would have expected that LE would read his blog. (Even though probably no one would have if he hadn't taken off in Minn.). I think we will find out he is cleared of "Beaner". I think this was a "red herring" that he put into the blog to give LE something to chase down. He could sit back and laugh at them doing the work on this one. But I don't think he would have mentioned her on a public blog, if he was guilty of this one.
Now the encrypted info., may be another story. Depending on his arrogance, it is either a message for LE, "spitting in their face" or his last will and testament. Or if he was really arrogant enough to be believe that they couldn't beat his encryption- they might find info there about crimes. But for some reason I doubt it.
Edited to add: I just found this. JED thinks that the encryption code is uncrackable:
do u think they would have known about his blog?
I dont disagree I just wonder if they would even know about it.
I mean this is a guy who got bail because the judge apparently did not know he was a level 3 offender (hard to buy imo).
Would police even be onto stuff like discovering his blog?
BillyGoatGruff
07-09-2005, 02:35 PM
I would love to find someone who knows how to read this stuff.
I am glad that they are looking into "Beaner" but somehow I think he was innocent of that one. As paranoid as this guy is, he would have expected that LE would read his blog. (Even though probably no one would have if he hadn't taken off in Minn.). I think we will find out he is cleared of "Beaner". I think this was a "red herring" that he put into the blog to give LE something to chase down. He could sit back and laugh at them doing the work on this one. But I don't think he would have mentioned her on a public blog, if he was guilty of this one.
Now the encrypted info., may be another story. Depending on his arrogance, it is either a message for LE, "spitting in their face" or his last will and testament. Or if he was really arrogant enough to be believe that they couldn't beat his encryption- they might find info there about crimes. But for some reason I doubt it.
Edited to add: I just found this. JED thinks that the encryption code is uncrackable:
Just like the narcissistic SOB to think he's so smart he can create "uncrackable" code. His web page design really sucks, BTW
mysteriew
07-09-2005, 03:12 PM
do u think they would have known about his blog?
I dont disagree I just wonder if they would even know about it.
I mean this is a guy who got bail because the judge apparently did not know he was a level 3 offender (hard to buy imo).
Would police even be onto stuff like discovering his blog?
From what I have read, LE discovered his blog after he had absconded from Fargo, N.D. and failed to show up for a court hearing. They have been monitoring the blog to see if he posted again so they could try to track his post.
Berksleuth
07-09-2005, 05:48 PM
I agree with you. And BillyGoatGrugg, you hit the nail on the head, he is an arrogant narcissist. He really believes his genious is so superior, LE will need 30 years to translate his encrypted journals?...... News for him, if LE can't, they will find someome who can.
I agree with you. And BillyGoatGrugg, you hit the nail on the head, he is an arrogant narcissist. He really believes his genious is so superior, LE will need 30 years to translate his encrypted journals?...... News for him, if LE can't, they will find someome who can.
Guaranteed! :croc:
Aunt Blabby
07-09-2005, 06:04 PM
I'm trying to get ahold of my daughter to see if my SIL can check on these encrypted messages but no one is answering. Will keep on it. Thanks for the great info on this.
kpass
07-09-2005, 06:28 PM
Well, I just emailed a friend of mine the encrypted links, he's a computer genius, has his masters in computer science...hopefully he can help! I'll let you all know what he says.
JEFnSD
07-10-2005, 03:10 AM
I agree with you. And BillyGoatGrugg, you hit the nail on the head, he is an arrogant narcissist. He really believes his genious is so superior, LE will need 30 years to translate his encrypted journals?...... News for him, if LE can't, they will find someome who can.Depending on how it was encrypted, it may take a while... even more than 30 years possibly.
<snip>
The technical difficulty in breaking PGP was described by an expert witness at a trial in the U.S. District Court in Tacoma, Washington, in April 1999. Steven Russelle, a detective with the Portland Police Bureau, was asked to explain what he meant when he said it was not "computationally feasible" to crack the code. "It means that in terms of today's technology and the speed of today's computers, you can't put enough computers together to crack a message of the kind that we've discussed in any sort of reasonable length of time," he told the court.
Russelle was asked whether he was talking about a couple of years or longer. "We're talking about millions of years," he replied.
</snip>
Full article can be seen here - http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110841,00.asp
<snip>
So does the world need quantum cryptography? The ciphers used today by the military, financial institutions and even Joe Public may not be totally uncrackable, as quantum cryptography is, but they're pretty close. Take the popular Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption package, for example. The US government brought charges against its creator, Phil Zimmermann, alleging that the program violated export laws, but soon dropped them. William Crowell, deputy director of the USA's National Security Agency, said in 1997, shortly after the charges were dropped: "If all the personal computers in the world - 260 million - were put to work on a single PGP-encrypted message, it would still take an estimated 12 million times the age of the universe, on average, to break a single message."
There are now 800 million PCs in the world and most of those are 20 times faster than they were in 1997 but it would still take around 200,000 times the age of the universe to crack. As with quantum cryptography, PGP has no problem with key distribution as it relies on a public key that only encrypts, while the decrypt key is kept secure. So doesn't PGP negate the need for quantum cryptography? Not everyone agrees.
</snip>
Full article can be seen here (requires registration but it's free) - http://www.compshopper.co.uk/shopper/features/62792/crack-down/page2.html
caryatid
07-10-2005, 03:13 AM
Depending on how it was encrypted, it may take a while... even more than 30 years possibly.
<snip>
The technical difficulty in breaking PGP was described by an expert witness at a trial in the U.S. District Court in Tacoma, Washington, in April 1999. Steven Russelle, a detective with the Portland Police Bureau, was asked to explain what he meant when he said it was not "computationally feasible" to crack the code. "It means that in terms of today's technology and the speed of today's computers, you can't put enough computers together to crack a message of the kind that we've discussed in any sort of reasonable length of time," he told the court.
Russelle was asked whether he was talking about a couple of years or longer. "We're talking about millions of years," he replied.
</snip>
Full article can be seen here - http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110841,00.asp
<snip>
So does the world need quantum cryptography? The ciphers used today by the military, financial institutions and even Joe Public may not be totally uncrackable, as quantum cryptography is, but they're pretty close. Take the popular Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption package, for example. The US government brought charges against its creator, Phil Zimmermann, alleging that the program violated export laws, but soon dropped them. William Crowell, deputy director of the USA's National Security Agency, said in 1997, shortly after the charges were dropped: "If all the personal computers in the world - 260 million - were put to work on a single PGP-encrypted message, it would still take an estimated 12 million times the age of the universe, on average, to break a single message."
There are now 800 million PCs in the world and most of those are 20 times faster than they were in 1997 but it would still take around 200,000 times the age of the universe to crack. As with quantum cryptography, PGP has no problem with key distribution as it relies on a public key that only encrypts, while the decrypt key is kept secure. So doesn't PGP negate the need for quantum cryptography? Not everyone agrees.
</snip>
Full article can be seen here (requires registration but it's free) - http://www.compshopper.co.uk/shopper/features/62792/crack-down/page2.html
So, even if they figure out his password, it's still going to be a problem?
JEFnSD
07-10-2005, 03:21 AM
So, even if they figure out his password, it's still going to be a problem?Yes, his password, known as an encryption key, is what is difficult to crack. If he used 128 bit encryption, it would take millions of years to crack. If he used 256 bit encryption, forget about it.
<snip>
"In most cases, there's a greater probability that the sun will burn out before all the computers in the world could factor in all of the information needed to brute force a 256-bit key," said Jon Hansen, vice president of marketing for AccessData Corp, the Lindon, Utah, company that built the software that powers DNA.
</snip>
full article here - http://simplyappalling.blogspot.com/2005/03/cracking-your-256-bit-encryption_28.html
caryatid
07-10-2005, 03:28 AM
Yes, his password, known as an encryption key, is what is difficult to crack. If he used 128 bit encryption, it would take millions of years to crack. If he used 256 bit encryption, forget about it.
<snip>
"In most cases, there's a greater probability that the sun will burn out before all the computers in the world could factor in all of the information needed to brute force a 256-bit key," said Jon Hansen, vice president of marketing for AccessData Corp, the Lindon, Utah, company that built the software that powers DNA.
</snip>
full article here - http://simplyappalling.blogspot.com/2005/03/cracking-your-256-bit-encryption_28.html
Maybe they'll find it somewhere else on his computer, or something. I don't guess it would be something nice and simple, like his mother's maiden name! LOL!
Sorry--I am only an egg when it comes to stuff like tis!
JEFnSD
07-10-2005, 03:44 AM
Maybe they'll find it somewhere else on his computer, or something. I don't guess it would be something nice and simple, like his mother's maiden name! LOL!
Sorry--I am only an egg when it comes to stuff like tis!
Mother's maiden name would be nice and simple, but he seems to be the paranoid type, so I doubt LE will be that lucky. Plus, he seems to be pretty computer literate, so I'd be willing to bet he's gone to the extreme to protect the file. However, you might be correct, he may have written it down somewhere or kept it in a non-encrypted file on his computer and LE can get to it.
If nothing else and just a guess on my part, maybe he'd be willing to give up the key as a part of a plea bargain?
caryatid
07-10-2005, 03:47 AM
Mother's maiden name would be nice and simple, but he seems to be the paranoid type, so I doubt LE will be that lucky. Plus, he seems to be pretty computer literate, so I'd be willing to bet he's gone to the extreme to protect the file. However, you might be correct, he may have written it down somewhere or kept it in a non-encrypted file on his computer and LE can get to it.
If nothing else and just a guess on my part, maybe he'd be willing to give up the key as a part of a plea bargain?
I'm not sure if he will plea bargain. Maybe he'll luck onto a lawyer who will convince him it's the way to go, but, from reading his blog, it seems to me that he would rather be dead than in prison.
What LE will have to do is find out who he gave the encription key to -- find his friends and shake them up in order to access his files.
if he did pass the key to any of them. and i would be surprised if he didn't because he seems to want people to read him.
mysteriew
07-10-2005, 06:11 AM
What LE will have to do is find out who he gave the encription key to -- find his friends and shake them up in order to access his files.
if he did pass the key to any of them. and i would be surprised if he didn't because he seems to want people to read him.
Excellent insight! Why take all the time and trouble to encrypt the files and do the writing if you intend that no one would ever read them. Unless this was where he wrote the details of his crimes and kept it so that he could go back and relive his own sick fantasies.
Cowgirl
07-11-2005, 09:22 PM
Tonight on the Dan Abrams show on MSNBC there was an FBI guy who laughed about Duncan thinking it was going to take a computer genius to break his encryption. He said they have geeks at the FBI totally capable of it. Hee! He told Danny that the guys at the FBI are all over Duncan's blog and other computer stuff.
Tom'sGirl
07-11-2005, 09:35 PM
Tonight on the Dan Abrams show on MSNBC there was an FBI guy who laughed about Duncan thinking it was going to take a computer genius to break his encryption. He said they have geeks at the FBI totally capable of it. Hee! He told Danny that the guys at the FBI are all over Duncan's blog and other computer stuff.That is great to hear :clap:
Of course this will come as a blow to Duncan as somehow he thinks no one is smarter than him regarding computer technology :woohoo:
BillyGoatGruff
07-11-2005, 10:22 PM
What LE will have to do is find out who he gave the encription key to -- find his friends and shake them up in order to access his files.
if he did pass the key to any of them. and i would be surprised if he didn't because he seems to want people to read him.
Something tells me a search of emails to his closest buddies --say "Sasha" and the good doctor--might result in the password. Or leaning on them. Someone this much in love with himself would not be keeping a blog only he could read.
kpass
07-11-2005, 10:49 PM
Tonight on the Dan Abrams show on MSNBC there was an FBI guy who laughed about Duncan thinking it was going to take a computer genius to break his encryption. He said they have geeks at the FBI totally capable of it. Hee! He told Danny that the guys at the FBI are all over Duncan's blog and other computer stuff.
That's exactly what my computer genius friend said...I emailed him the links of the encrypted messages. Although, he said he does not have knowlege of 'de-crypting,' he said he's sure the FBI does have someone on it!
That's exactly what my computer genius friend said...I emailed him the links of the encrypted messages. Although, he said he does not have knowlege of 'de-crypting,' he said he's sure the FBI does have someone on it!
It wouldn't surprise me if our "Wayne" was on it.
;)
He's been MIA for awhile. As have many other regulars, who were very involved in posting on the Groene forum.
Ollie, ollie in-free, you guys! Come out, come out, whereever you are! :p
Linda7NJ
07-11-2005, 11:27 PM
HEAVY SIGH......I wish the information could be accessed the old fashioned way...with torture!
Gracelin
07-11-2005, 11:32 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if our "Wayne" was on it.
;)
He's been MIA for awhile. As have many other regulars, who were very involved in posting on the Groene forum.
Ollie, ollie in-free, you guys! Come out, come out, whereever you are! :p
I think some of us are still here, It's kind of hard to post here now, cause you know we don't know nothing about nothing, so we ain't saying nothing till there is something to be said!
Bobbisangel
07-12-2005, 04:52 AM
Mother's maiden name would be nice and simple, but he seems to be the paranoid type, so I doubt LE will be that lucky. Plus, he seems to be pretty computer literate, so I'd be willing to bet he's gone to the extreme to protect the file. However, you might be correct, he may have written it down somewhere or kept it in a non-encrypted file on his computer and LE can get to it.
If nothing else and just a guess on my part, maybe he'd be willing to give up the key as a part of a plea bargain?
This guy isn't getting any kind of a plea bargain. He is going to get the needle and the sooner the better. He murdered 4 people...kidnapped two children...raped two children, etc, etc. The trial for Dylan's murder will take place in Montana but the rest will be charged in Idaho.
This guy, from what he says about these files in his blog, wants them to be figured out and read. He didn't think they would be read for at least 30 years though. He didn't plan on getting caught. He thought he would live another 30 years I guess. If the code never gets broken...which I think it will...so be it. This guy is going to get the needle regardless. The Pros said tonight on Nancy Grace...I believe...that there would be no plea bargaining for this evil killer. May he rot in hell.
>>snip>> we don't know nothing about nothing, so we ain't saying nothing till there is something to be said!
ROFL! :laugh: Can I borrow that quote?! I LOVE IT! :p:
(BTW ... ET finally phoned home) :cool:
CaliKid
07-12-2005, 05:20 AM
I'm here, Liz.
I know nothing about encrypted files. Heck, I'm having trouble setting my dvd player back up after our move. But I'd bet that if you someone can write one, someone else can figure it out.
Tonight on the Dan Abrams show on MSNBC there was an FBI guy who laughed about Duncan thinking it was going to take a computer genius to break his encryption. He said they have geeks at the FBI totally capable of it. Hee! He told Danny that the guys at the FBI are all over Duncan's blog and other computer stuff.
I guess the FBI guy isn't laughing any longer.
Looking back at this thread, lots of people here laughed at JED and about how these files would be cracked in no time flat.
Fifteen months later and we still don't know whats in the files.
Wonder IF we'll ever learn what's in there?
Taximom
04-04-2007, 10:59 AM
I was just wondering if there had been any progress made. Doesn't seem like it. :mad:
oceanblueeyes
04-04-2007, 08:22 PM
Excellent insight! Why take all the time and trouble to encrypt the files and do the writing if you intend that no one would ever read them. Unless this was where he wrote the details of his crimes and kept it so that he could go back and relive his own sick fantasies.
I think that is exactly what it is about and he wants it to be a very long time before if ever anyone can crack it open and let it ooze like pus.
IMO
Ocean
oceanblueeyes
04-04-2007, 08:23 PM
I was just wondering if there had been any progress made. Doesn't seem like it. :mad:
I am not so sure they will ever crack it.
If so he may be dead by then.
IMO
Ocean
Openmind
04-04-2007, 10:26 PM
I am not so sure they will ever crack it.
If so he may be dead by then.
IMO
Ocean
Well, since Duncan is such a lowlife, he would rather take his evil secrets to his grave than help anyone but himself. He is all about hurting as many people as he can for as long as he can. I hope they keep hammering away at the code. If the files can reveal the fate of some missing child or unsovled crime, it is worth the time and effort it takes to know their fate.
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