New info...

[kpass]

I'm not sure if anyone has heard this yet...I didn't see it anywhere.

The murder weapon JD used was a HAMMER. It was just reported on CNN.

[mysteriew]

This info came out on Fri. Here is the link:

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/08/news/news02.txt

[Shazzie]

This info came out on Fri. Here is the link:

http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/08/news/news02.txt
Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read!

[Floh]

2 watched him bludgeon the first with the hammer knowing what was coming. and then there was one. awaiting same fate.

the horror is unbearable.

i hope it is so the two children didn't witness this -- but then Shasta sounds as tho she watched him murder Dylan.

:(

[mysteriew]

From what I have read, it sounds as though Dylan and Shasta were placed in a truck before the murders and so probably didn't see them (though we don't know what she was told)
I am not really clear on whether she saw or heard Dylan's murder. I remember an article which mentioned that LE recovered the remains believed to be Dylan's at the camp where Shasta had last seen Dylan alive.

[kpass]

Thanks Mysterview, I didn't realize that info came out Friday...

It doesn't sound like Shasta witnessed the murders of everyone in the house, but I believe she may have witnessed Dylan's, so very sad. Last night when I went to sleep, I kept picturing her sweet little face & the horror she must have witnessed, my heart breaks...I will keep Shasta & her family in my prayers.

[dannyodie]

From what I have read, it sounds as though Dylan and Shasta were placed in a truck before the murders and so probably didn't see them (though we don't know what she was told)
I am not really clear on whether she saw or heard Dylan's murder. I remember an article which mentioned that LE recovered the remains believed to be Dylan's at the camp where Shasta had last seen Dylan alive.
I believe from what I am feeling that the red jeep or the white pick up truck was the vehicle that a neighbor saw in front of his barn depends on if this was before or after the abduction that the neighbor noticed the suspicious vehicle? I would encourge le to do a roadside search from the groene house and follow the direction to where the truck was located. I believe that is what happened to the murder weapon, unless it was found in the truck and le hasn't released that they have found the hammer. if they don't have it, they will find it along side the road some 10 to 15 yds out along the left hand side of the roadway. I don't know for sure the lay of the land there, but if any water ways that one has to pass over to get to the groenes home it should be checked for a murder weapon. if a hammer was found in the red jeep, luminol should be sprayed on it to see if it reacts to the iron compond of blood.

[Casshew]

When the article states the 'killings may be sexually motivated' do they mean sexually motivated for him to take shasta & dylan? or does it mean they were killed/injured sexually? (mutlilated or something)

[Berksleuth]

I can't imagine Shasta and Dylan didn't hear screams from the house. Also, Duncan had to be a bloody mess when he returned to the truck where the children were. . . . I hate him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A sad fact is that the adults were on "meth" only made it worse for them.

[indigomood]

When the article states the 'killings may be sexually motivated' do they mean sexually motivated for him to take shasta & dylan? or does it mean they were killed/injured sexually? (mutlilated or something)
The intent of the crimes, court documents said, was to rape, seriously injure or commit a lewd and lascivious act on a child younger than 16. Convictions can carry the death penalty or life in prison.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050706/1061543.asp

[Amster]

Maybe he was after the 13 year old.....sick, sadistic pervert!

[mysteriew]

The intent of the crimes, court documents said, was to rape, seriously injure or commit a lewd and lascivious act on a child younger than 16. Convictions can carry the death penalty or life in prison.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050706/1061543.asp

I think what Casshew is referring to is the rumor that Slade and Mark may have been sexually mutilated. LE is pretty adamant that the killings were planned, but I wonder if the mutilations (if the rumor is true) were planned or if they were just something he worked up into his fantasy as he went along.

[indigomood]

I think what Casshew is referring to is the rumor that Slade and Mark may have been sexually mutilated. LE is pretty adamant that the killings were planned, but I wonder if the mutilations (if the rumor is true) were planned or if they were just something he worked up into his fantasy as he went along.
Yes, I know what she was referring to, however I have seen nothing to date that confirms the genital mutilations of those murdered at the scene. I'm not dismissing the possibility as we all know Duncan is full of rage and retaliation due to his warped perception of persecution etc. I just haven't seen evidence of these so called mutilations in the MSM...

[Casshew]

Well I hate to disappoint you both, but I didn't know about the sexual mutilation rumours.

Just something the way that article was worded made me think that on my own.

[mysteriew]

Well I hate to disappoint you both, but I didn't know about the sexual mutilation rumours.

Just something the way that article was worded made me think that on my own.

Sorry, thought that might have been what you were referring to. The rumor has been mentioned several time in the last few days. However, as Indigo says there has been no confirmation from LE.

[Casshew]

Sorry, thought that might have been what you were referring to. The rumor has been mentioned several time in the last few days.
Now I wonder if thats what the newspaper was hinting at?

[indigomood]

Well I hate to disappoint you both, but I didn't know about the sexual mutilation rumours.

Just something the way that article was worded made me think that on my own.
No disappointment here, cannot speak for mysteriew.

[Casshew]

No disappointment here
Phew, I'm so relieved :crazy:

[indigomood]

Phew, I'm so relieved :crazy:
:rolleyes:

[H0NEYWEST]

A hammer certainly could pound in that 5th nail.

[Jvon]

How disturbing. A hammer? I do not normally fantasize about murder but to bludgeon someone to death in comparison to putting one bullet through each brain. I still cannot accept only one person could pull this off. And whether it be more than one or how many others?.... I am curious, are their any others that are my age, now 51? The most horrible crime I learned about 30 yrs. ago, after moving from Texas to California was the Manson murders and after living here , so many more horrible murders, I have to tell you, the Groene murder has disturbed me the most. I can only hope that before my age group leaves this world , we can change the laws in our country and deal with these criminals as they should have been dealt with. CHILD MOLESTERS, YOU MAY HAVE DONE YOUR HORRIBLE DEEDS IN THE PAST but people in this country are going to change the way you have been dealt with in the past. THIS IS NOT TO BE MEANT AS A THREAT but to respect your civil rights. My hope is people in this country need to demand these people are taken care of but must never be allowed in society again. Even though, my personal opinion, they should be put to death, all I ask, PLEASE, KEEP THESE PEOPLE IN PRISON!

Thanks. I needed to vent my anger and true feelings. I hope I did not go over the top. Forgive me if I did.:confused::blushing:

[Tom'sGirl]

How disturbing. A hammer? I do not normally fantasize about murder but to bludgeon someone to death in comparison to putting one bullet through each brain. I still cannot accept only one person could pull this off. And whether it be more than one or how many others?.... I am curious, are their any others that are my age, now 51? The most horrible crime I learned about 30 yrs. ago, after moving from Texas to California was the Manson murders and after living here , so many more horrible murders, I have to tell you, the Groene murder has disturbed me the most. I can only hope that before my age group leaves this world , we can change the laws in our country and deal with these criminals as they should have been dealt with. CHILD MOLESTERS, YOU MAY HAVE DONE YOUR HORRIBLE DEEDS IN THE PAST but people in this country are going to change the way you have been dealt with in the past. THIS IS NOT TO BE MEANT AS A THREAT but to respect your civil rights. My hope is people in this country need to demand these people are taken care of but must never be allowed in society again. Even though, my personal opinion, they should be put to death, all I ask, PLEASE, KEEP THESE PEOPLE IN PRISON!

Thanks. I needed to vent my anger and true feelings. I hope I did not go over the top. Forgive me if I did.:confused::blushing:
Not over the top at all Jvon!

[Jvon]

Not over the top at all Jvon!
:D:D:D

[CaliKid]

I can't imagine Shasta and Dylan didn't hear screams from the house. Also, Duncan had to be a bloody mess when he returned to the truck where the children were.
I can't even imagine the terror that the children must have endured after JED returned from killing the family. Especially after he murdered Dylan with little Shasta wondering if/when she was going to be next. It certainly puts her behavior in the Kellogg gas station and at Denny's into perspective.

[nanandjim]

If what I just heard on Fox by Judge Whatshisname is true, then that might explain the reason for the hammer.

He said that Duncan randomly chose this family then scouted them out. He started doing meth with them. So, it sounds like he got to know this family, doing drugs with the adults, with his intention being to get the kids all along.

[dragonfly]

I hope the Lowes store check to see if he stopped in with a shopping list. "Let's see ...a framing hammer, duct tape, plastic cable ties...oh yes, and plastic gloves."

Wonder if they had a customer make such a purchase sometime before the murders?

[Berksleuth]

Oh My!!! If it is true that he familiarized himself with the family by using drugs with them, that explains alot.

But how do you approach a family (that you don't know) and suddenly start using drugs with them? It is not information I would share with a complete stranger. This would explain how he was able to overcome all these people. I just can't believe one skinny runt could pull this off.

Sadly, the drug use could be amunition for a defense attorney.

[IdahoMom]

If what I just heard on Fox by Judge Whatshisname is true, then that might explain the reason for the hammer.

He said that Duncan randomly chose this family then scouted them out. He started doing meth with them. So, it sounds like he got to know this family, doing drugs with the adults, with his intention being to get the kids all along.
That's the first I heard of that. Do you think he was just speculating?

[surf_moon_stars]

Berksleuth

Oh My!!! If it is true that he familiarized himself with the family by using drugs with them, that explains alot.

But how do you approach a family (that you don't know) and suddenly start using drugs with them? It is not information I would share with a complete stranger. This would explain how he was able to overcome all these people. I just can't believe one skinny runt could pull this off.
Did LE mention if the Groene's had a computer there that the mom or son , or boyfriend may have been using for internet access...to chat, email to friends with etc????

Did Duncan ever mention of being on drugs or taking drugs in his blogs, as I have not had the chance to read all of his jillions of OMGosh websites.

What if they met eachother offline, and that is a big IF...thus being the possibility of chatting online, beforehand, feeling ok with "meeting in person" and Ducan possibly knowing a bit about the "family" before they met.

That is wher the "pre-mediatated" part could be able to be done.

I am probably way off base on that, but if the guy knew about the family due to "online background" information in a chat room, blogging etc...than that would be a tragedy in itself..

Again....I am looking at possibilities at this point, as for the sake to help out in any way we can to put these pieces together as to how this whole situation came about.


Thanks for listening.

[Shazzie]

That's the first I heard of that. Do you think he was just speculating?
I'm wondering the same thing.

FWIW, I can't find any news stories mentioning this.

[Shazzie]

Oh My!!! If it is true that he familiarized himself with the family by using drugs with them, that explains alot.

But how do you approach a family (that you don't know) and suddenly start using drugs with them? It is not information I would share with a complete stranger. This would explain how he was able to overcome all these people. I just can't believe one skinny runt could pull this off.

Sadly, the drug use could be amunition for a defense attorney.I would like to know more about this theory that Duncan did drugs with the Groenes. I just can't accept it at face value, since I can't find any links that mention it.

As for one skinny runt pulling this off, I think one skinny runt with a gun could have managed it.

[dbmthur]

Did LE mention if the Groene's had a computer there that the mom or son , or boyfriend may have been using for internet access...to chat, email to friends with etc????

Did Duncan ever mention of being on drugs or taking drugs in his blogs, as I have not had the chance to read all of his jillions of OMGosh websites.

What if they met eachother offline, and that is a big IF...thus being the possibility of chatting online, beforehand, feeling ok with "meeting in person" and Ducan possibly knowing a bit about the "family" before they met.

That is wher the "pre-mediatated" part could be able to be done.

I am probably way off base on that, but if the guy knew about the family due to "online background" information in a chat room, blogging etc...than that would be a tragedy in itself..

Again....I am looking at possibilities at this point, as for the sake to help out in any way we can to put these pieces together as to how this whole situation came about.


Thanks for listening.

If that is the case then it wouldn't have been random right? Also if he was doing drugs with the family, wouldn't Shasta at one point or another have met him or at least have seen him? Most likely the drugs took place after the kids went to bed but you would at least think that in the days prior to all of this she would have at least seen him hanging around ?

[Shazzie]

If that is the case then it wouldn't have been random right? Also if he was doing drugs with the family, wouldn't Shasta at one point or another have met him or at least have seen him? Most likely the drugs took place after the kids went to bed but you would at least think that in the days prior to all of this she would have at least seen him hanging around ?
Do we KNOW he was doing drugs with the family? If so, why hasn't this found its way into any news stories (at least I can't find any)? :confused:

[joanofarc]

If that is the case then it wouldn't have been random right? Also if he was doing drugs with the family, wouldn't Shasta at one point or another have met him or at least have seen him? Most likely the drugs took place after the kids went to bed but you would at least think that in the days prior to all of this she would have at least seen him hanging around ?Were there any reports that Duncan was staying at the campground that is right by the Groene house...Shasta and Dylan were around there alot it was said...

Perhaps Duncan had been watching this family for a while....it appears that Brenda was quite a sociable person and I could see her befriending someone who was "camping" not far from her house.....we often make new friends while we are out camping...you meet people, ask them over to sit around your fire etc...seems your guard is down when you are in the type of environment where Mark & Brenda live....seems it is a laid back "vacation" type of place...IMO

[Cowgirl]

If what I just heard on Fox by Judge Whatshisname is true, then that might explain the reason for the hammer.

He said that Duncan randomly chose this family then scouted them out. He started doing meth with them. So, it sounds like he got to know this family, doing drugs with the adults, with his intention being to get the kids all along.I'd like to know what judge thinks he knows this because all of those who were at the barbeque that night have said they never saw Duncan before. Are you sure this judge was not just speculating? Duncan only has a history of smoking pot. That is completely different from meth. And the deceased had trace amounts of meth in their systems, so they were not doing or "on drugs" that night any more than they were "on beer" if they had one the previous day.

[Cowgirl]

Were there any reports that Duncan was staying at the campground that is right by the Groene house...Shasta and Dylan were around there alot it was said...

Perhaps Duncan had been watching this family for a while....it appears that Brenda was quite a sociable person and I could see her befriending someone who was "camping" not far from her house.....we often make new friends while we are out camping...you meet people, ask them over to sit around your fire etc...seems your guard is down when you are in the type of environment where Mark & Brenda live....seems it is a laid back "vacation" type of place...IMOFrom the Dateline piece, you can see the house from I-90, the main interstate in that area. It is really the middle of nowhere. In fact, some of the roads lead to noplace, are logging paths that only lead to trees and some of the places that are being called camping areas are just where someone made a fire, not a KOA!

From what little has been released, I think they would have said if Shasta had seen him around prior to that night when she was abducted. Her aunt was on Catherine Crier last night and said the family did not know him. Surely if Shasta had indicated otherwise she would not say that.

[Cowgirl]

Oh My!!! If it is true that he familiarized himself with the family by using drugs with them, that explains alot.

But how do you approach a family (that you don't know) and suddenly start using drugs with them? It is not information I would share with a complete stranger. This would explain how he was able to overcome all these people. I just can't believe one skinny runt could pull this off.

Sadly, the drug use could be amunition for a defense attorney.There is no drug use in the world, even this rumored one, that would justify, mitigate, or explain away what happened here, none.

And since drugs are illegal, there is no way anyone would share with someone they just met. The only drug we know that Duncan did was pot. That is nothing like meth.

[SeaHag]

Were there any reports that Duncan was staying at the campground that is right by the Groene house...Shasta and Dylan were around there alot it was said...

Perhaps Duncan had been watching this family for a while....it appears that Brenda was quite a sociable person and I could see her befriending someone who was "camping" not far from her house.....we often make new friends while we are out camping...you meet people, ask them over to sit around your fire etc...seems your guard is down when you are in the type of environment where Mark & Brenda live....seems it is a laid back "vacation" type of place...IMO
He was... with night vision goggles. Gives me the creeps even more thinking about that one. I just posted the story in the "Media Links" thread.

[nanandjim]

That's the first I heard of that. Do you think he was just speculating?
Perhaps. It appears from the article posted on another thread that he was wrong!

BTW, it was retired Judge Andrew Napolitano, who is a legal analyst for Fox. It sounded like he was stating fact, but I guess that he may have been speculating.

[fran]

I don't believe Duncan had been doing meth with the adults. First of all, he'd only been caught previously with marijuana. Secondly, the adults only had trace amounts of meth, which, IMO, says they probably weren't doing it at the bbq earlier that last evening.

This guy probably was on his way to his mom's or at least the area he was familiar, Tacoma. He may have stopped at the campground to spend the night. However, he was on a mission, per his blog, to take others out with him (when he died). IF that is what happened, (staying at the campground) he may have heard the bbq going on, music, kids playing in the yard.........watched......waited until everyone left, waited a little longer until he thought everyone was asleep, and entered the home. Duncan was known in the past for sneaking around and looking into windows.

Shasta said she'd never seen him before that night when her mom led her into the living room and Duncan was there.

Duncan had used a gun in his previous sexual assault when he was 17, so he probably had one this time to 'control' the situation. According to his blog, he was planning on taking people out with him. He was planning on paying back society for what he felt was unjustly done to him (putting him in jail for his crimes). The hammer makes alot of sense, IMO. Up front and personal and symbolic to his 'fifth nail' website. I had also read awhile back, that Shasta's brother and mother were more severly injurred than the BF.

I thought that earlier on in this case, that I'd heard LE were questioning local stores for anyone buying things used to tie up the family. Because Duncan was on a mission and is known to plan things out, he probably already had the items used in the crime with him when he arrived at the camp ground (if that's the case).

Also in the past, before he recanted it, Duncan had told a doctor when he was arrested at 17, that at one time he had tied up and molested 10 boys. I believe he was talking about all 10 at once, because he also talked about various other boys he'd molested at different times. Of course, as I said he recanted this later, but, I think he was probably telling the truth the first time.

JMHO
fran

[surf_moon_stars]

Originally Posted by joanofarc
Were there any reports that Duncan was staying at the campground that is right by the Groene house...Shasta and Dylan were around there alot it was said...

Perhaps Duncan had been watching this family for a while....it appears that Brenda was quite a sociable person and I could see her befriending someone who was "camping" not far from her house.....we often make new friends while we are out camping...you meet people, ask them over to sit around your fire etc...seems your guard is down when you are in the type of environment where Mark & Brenda live....seems it is a laid back "vacation" type of place...IMO
I agree with this as well....

Duncan could have been passing thru town, and maybe Shasta and Dylan happen to be out front playing, and this guy just happened to be passing by at the time, and then , there you go, Duncan starts watching the family activity at that point.

If he was just passing through town, why that area???? That is my question, where was he on his way to or did he know someone in that immediate area?

He might have crossed paths with them somewhere in town, and then started watching their activities from there, as the possibilities are so many.


After watching activity for long enough, he may have come to know their basic routine over a couple of days prior to being this situation.

He could have waited until the BBQ was over, and was watching for all family members and/or cars to be gone. therefore, the family would NOT know who he is and why they had never seen him prior to that date.

If he was watching them prior, and this poor family had no clue, then he might have caught them off guard by approaching from the back of the
property or a person "pretending" to have a flat tire, etc....

If they were doing meth that night (Benda and Mark) maybe Duncan came at that time, they were doing it....or again, I mentioned , befrieding them online and doing it with them late that night after the BBQ when all were gone, and possibly when Shasta and Dylan were sleeping.

Was there any mention in the news or posts that Shasta said he woke her and Dylan up and took them, or if she was awake at the time he entered the home???



Thanks for listening.

_________________________


Just my opinon....

[Cowgirl]

If you read the latest article from today's probable cause hearing, court documents say Duncan burst into the home with a shotgun and hammer after watching them for several days. Another article this morning said he had a book of maps with several fire observation towers circled, but they are not there now. He told Shasta that he had been riding through her neighborhood looking for kids, saw them, and stalked them for days.

Incognito posted the article on another thread but here it is:

http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_071205_duncan-fargo-cash.9c37a617.html

[Cowgirl]

I agree with this as well....

Duncan could have been passing thru town, and maybe Shasta and Dylan happen to be out front playing, and this guy just happened to be passing by at the time, and then , there you go, Duncan starts watching the family activity at that point.

If he was just passing through town, why that area???? That is my question, where was he on his way to or did he know someone in that immediate area?

He might have crossed paths with them somewhere in town, and then started watching their activities from there, as the possibilities are so many.


After watching activity for long enough, he may have come to know their basic routine over a couple of days prior to being this situation.

He could have waited until the BBQ was over, and was watching for all family members and/or cars to be gone. therefore, the family would NOT know who he is and why they had never seen him prior to that date.

If he was watching them prior, and this poor family had no clue, then he might have caught them off guard by approaching from the back of the
property or a person "pretending" to have a flat tire, etc....

If they were doing meth that night (Benda and Mark) maybe Duncan came at that time, they were doing it....or again, I mentioned , befrieding them online and doing it with them late that night after the BBQ when all were gone, and possibly when Shasta and Dylan were sleeping.

Was there any mention in the news or posts that Shasta said he woke her and Dylan up and took them, or if she was awake at the time he entered the home???



Thanks for listening.

_________________________


Just my opinon....Surf, Duncan came from Tacoma WA where his family still lives and the Groene home can be seen from I-90 which is the interstate he would take to get to Tacoma. He may have been headed there, or may have already been there. That is still unknown but he was familiar with the area. Idaho is less than 100 miles wide in that panhandle area between the Montana border, where Dylan's remains were, and Washington state.

From the court hearing today it was reported that Duncan told Shasta he had been cruising her neighborhood looking for kids, saw them, and then stalked the family using night vision glasses for several days. He had a shotgun and hammer with him when he burst through their door and earlier reports said that Shasta was asleep when her mother called her out of bed. Shasta and Dylan were put in the truck, apparently before the family members were murdered. One victim was bludgeoned at the front door, or at least there was a lot of blood there, so Duncan may have started off his assault there.

Since there were only "trace" amounts of meth found in the bodies, my guess is they had not done it that night or had done a very small amount. Most people don't do meth for a barbeque.

[surf_moon_stars]

I don't believe Duncan had been doing meth with the adults. First of all, he'd only been caught previously with marijuana. Secondly, the adults only had trace amounts of meth, which, IMO, says they probably weren't doing it at the bbq earlier that last evening.

This guy probably was on his way to his mom's or at least the area he was familiar, Tacoma. He may have stopped at the campground to spend the night. However, he was on a mission, per his blog, to take others out with him (when he died). IF that is what happened, (staying at the campground) he may have heard the bbq going on, music, kids playing in the yard.........watched......waited until everyone left, waited a little longer until he thought everyone was asleep, and entered the home. Duncan was known in the past for sneaking around and looking into windows.

Shasta said she'd never seen him before that night when her mom led her into the living room and Duncan was there.



JMHO
fran
Fran,

I was typing this up, which I had to step away twice to do before finish and posting, so thank you for posting about what or where Shasta was when Duncan was in the home.


Cowgirl- Thank you for all the posts and updates...as well as timelines and all of you, I really think this website and others like it are going to help stop the child predators as much as we possibly can with Pink Pedo plates and GPS tracking anklets....GREAT START and I know it will make a difference



JMO

Peace~Love~Hope~Faith

[kpass]

I don't buy it! This SICKO probably read something about the 2 adults in the house having drugs in their systems & made that story up to help in HIS DEFENSE. :liar:

[Shazzie]

I agree with this as well....

Duncan could have been passing thru town, and maybe Shasta and Dylan happen to be out front playing, and this guy just happened to be passing by at the time, and then , there you go, Duncan starts watching the family activity at that point.

If he was just passing through town, why that area???? That is my question, where was he on his way to or did he know someone in that immediate area?He lived in Fargo, ND and had family in Tacoma, WA. The interstate he would have taken on trips back and forth to Tacoma runs right by Coeur D'Alene and it's my understanding the Groene house was visible from the interstate.

He might have crossed paths with them somewhere in town, and then started watching their activities from there, as the possibilities are so many.

After watching activity for long enough, he may have come to know their basic routine over a couple of days prior to being this situation.

He could have waited until the BBQ was over, and was watching for all family members and/or cars to be gone. therefore, the family would NOT know who he is and why they had never seen him prior to that date.

If he was watching them prior, and this poor family had no clue, then he might have caught them off guard by approaching from the back of the
property or a person "pretending" to have a flat tire, etc.... Cowgirl just posted the link that talks about how he watched them for days, using night vision goggles.

If they were doing meth that night (Benda and Mark) maybe Duncan came at that time, they were doing it....or again, I mentioned , befrieding them online and doing it with them late that night after the BBQ when all were gone, and possibly when Shasta and Dylan were sleeping.I've heard nothing that indicates he befriended any of the family, either online or off. I think he simply stalked them till he saw the right opportunity to move in.

Was there any mention in the news or posts that Shasta said he woke her and Dylan up and took them, or if she was awake at the time he entered the home???I think I recall hearing Shasta said she was awakened. I believe she and Dylan were carried out to the truck before he murdered the others. Don't have time to look for a link on this right now, so I can't swear I've got all the details right.

ETA: I see others have addressed some, if not all, of the same points. Sorry for any duplication!

[Shazzie]

I don't buy it! This SICKO probably read something about the 2 adults in the house having drugs in their systems & made that story up to help in HIS DEFENSE. :liar:
What story do you mean, kpass? I'm not sure which post you're referring to.

[surf_moon_stars]

Cowgirl-

I just am sick to my stomache about this....what a sad sad situation.
:( :( :( :(

This just should NOT be happening....AT ALL...:banghead:


I am going to take a break from this now, as it does get quite upsetting
from time to time as this unfolds to be a forum about someone who should
have NEVER been out on the streets after his first arrest.:mad:


JMO...

[Cowgirl]

Cowgirl-

I just am sick to my stomache about this....what a sad sad situation.
:( :( :( :(

This just should NOT be happening....AT ALL...:banghead:


I am going to take a break from this now, as it does get quite upsetting
from time to time as this unfolds to be a forum about someone who should
have NEVER been out on the streets after his first arrest.:mad:


JMO...We do a lot of talking here, but there are other places that are really doing something. Check this out:

http://www.throwawaythekey.org/

...and get involved if you can!

[kpass]

What story do you mean, kpass? I'm not sure which post you're referring to.

I'm sorry...The story about him doing drugs with Brenda & her boyfriend.

[surf_moon_stars]

originally posted by cowgirl:


We do a lot of talking here, but there are other places that are really doing something. Check this out:

http://www.throwawaythekey.org/

...and get involved if you can!

I appreciate this link :)


Thank you for posting it cowgirl :clap: :D :) :clap:

[surf_moon_stars]

Thank you Shazzie, :blowkiss:

That was a very nice post and timeline for me to follow up with.

I did not see it until now, my apologies for doing so after posting
to cowgirl, I don't know how I missed your post. :waitasec:


I really do appreciate the time you all spent helping others new here or
who have been posting awhile to help put the pieces together, and or get
the new information if we have not left another forum to hear the news updates.:D


Keep the faith

[OneMADmomma]

Some more horrible news...it just keeps getting worse, just like w/Couey-ouey. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162231,00.html

[SewingDeb]

How disturbing. A hammer? I do not normally fantasize about murder but to bludgeon someone to death in comparison to putting one bullet through each brain. I still cannot accept only one person could pull this off. And whether it be more than one or how many others?.... I am curious, are their any others that are my age, now 51? The most horrible crime I learned about 30 yrs. ago, after moving from Texas to California was the Manson murders and after living here , so many more horrible murders, I have to tell you, the Groene murder has disturbed me the most. I can only hope that before my age group leaves this world , we can change the laws in our country and deal with these criminals as they should have been dealt with. CHILD MOLESTERS, YOU MAY HAVE DONE YOUR HORRIBLE DEEDS IN THE PAST but people in this country are going to change the way you have been dealt with in the past. THIS IS NOT TO BE MEANT AS A THREAT but to respect your civil rights. My hope is people in this country need to demand these people are taken care of but must never be allowed in society again. Even though, my personal opinion, they should be put to death, all I ask, PLEASE, KEEP THESE PEOPLE IN PRISON!

Thanks. I needed to vent my anger and true feelings. I hope I did not go over the top. Forgive me if I did.:confused::blushing:

Jovin, I'm exactly your age. The Manson murders really showed me there is evil alive and well in the world. I can understand your anger. I don't understand why these horrible people are given so many chances!

[SewingDeb]

Did LE mention if the Groene's had a computer there that the mom or son , or boyfriend may have been using for internet access...to chat, email to friends with etc????

Did Duncan ever mention of being on drugs or taking drugs in his blogs, as I have not had the chance to read all of his jillions of OMGosh websites.

What if they met eachother offline, and that is a big IF...thus being the possibility of chatting online, beforehand, feeling ok with "meeting in person" and Ducan possibly knowing a bit about the "family" before they met.

That is wher the "pre-mediatated" part could be able to be done.

I am probably way off base on that, but if the guy knew about the family due to "online background" information in a chat room, blogging etc...than that would be a tragedy in itself..

Again....I am looking at possibilities at this point, as for the sake to help out in any way we can to put these pieces together as to how this whole situation came about.


Thanks for listening.

The latest news says Duncan drove by looking for children and spotted Shasta in the yard in her bathing suit. He cased the house for three days and nights, using night vision goggles and even knew the layout of the house. I don't believe he had ever met them or done drugs with them, or even chatted (knowingly anyway) with them online.

[IdahoMom]

Some more horrible news...it just keeps getting worse, just like w/Couey-ouey. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162231,00.html
Oh, dear God....this just worse and worse. Will someone please just take the bastard and torture the hell out of him and kill him slowly? This is the worst thing.....

~snip~
Shasta's ordeal began when she heard her mother call her into the living room early on the morning of May 16, according to authorities. There, she told investigators, she saw Duncan wearing dark gloves and holding a shotgun.
Her mother, brother Slade and McKenzie were bound with zip-ties and duct tape.

Duncan then bound her and Dylan and left them on the ground outside near a swing set. Shasta said she heard McKenzie yell out several times, and at one point they saw Slade stagger, bloody and incoherent, out of the home.

Maskell said Duncan bragged to the girl about killing her family with a hammer and showed it to her.

Duncan was a known sex offender wanted in Minnesota for jumping bail on a molestation charge, but he didn't become a suspect in the Idaho slayings until six weeks later when he walked into a Denny's restaurant with Shasta a few miles from her home. A waitress recognized the little girl and called police.

~snip~

[Jules]

OMG.... Idaho.... how awful. I can't imagine an 8 year old seeing all that. Just breaks my heart. I so hope she is able to get all the therapy she will need to live a somehow normal life.

OT - Idaho - clear out your PM's. :banghead: :)

[Cowgirl]

Jovin, I'm exactly your age. The Manson murders really showed me there is evil alive and well in the world. I can understand your anger. I don't understand why these horrible people are given so many chances!I just hit the mid century too. But this was the worst, to me, except it did not involve kids:

http://www.bizarremag.com/true_crime.php?id=264

Gary Heidnik

[kpass]

We do a lot of talking here, but there are other places that are really doing something. Check this out:

http://www.throwawaythekey.org/

...and get involved if you can!

Thanks for that link Cowgirl, I love it & forwarded it to all my friends. MORE people NEED to get involved & do something about this!

July 7, 2005: Law was too late to affect suspect (Olympian) [Check out the quote from the man living near a sex offender--this man gets it, even if state lawmakers do not: "{Joseph Duncan III} had been released under an older parole system that held offenders accountable only until they'd served their maximum sentence, which was 20 years in Duncan's case. He served three of those years on parole. It was revoked in 1997 after he'd left the state without permission, moved to Missouri, failed to register his whereabouts and had unauthorized contact with minors, according to court documents. ... News of Duncan's case hit home for Paul McCarthy, an Olympia resident dealing with a registered Level 3 sex offender whom the state Department of Social and Health Services recently placed in secure housing in his neighborhood. His neighborhood has lots of children. The issue isn't going to go away, he said. 'The whole time it's been on TV, I've been thinking about that,' he said. It doesn't assuage his concerns that the offender in his neighborhood is in the state's care, he said. 'I don't think plunking a sexual predator in somebody's neighborhood and saying, 'Well, at least you know he's there.' That doesn't help me at all.'"]

http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050707/NEWS/507070303

[Cowgirl]

Thanks for that link Cowgirl, I love it & forwarded it to all my friends. MORE people NEED to get involved & do something about this!

July 7, 2005: Law was too late to affect suspect (Olympian) [Check out the quote from the man living near a sex offender--this man gets it, even if state lawmakers do not: "{Joseph Duncan III} had been released under an older parole system that held offenders accountable only until they'd served their maximum sentence, which was 20 years in Duncan's case. He served three of those years on parole. It was revoked in 1997 after he'd left the state without permission, moved to Missouri, failed to register his whereabouts and had unauthorized contact with minors, according to court documents. ... News of Duncan's case hit home for Paul McCarthy, an Olympia resident dealing with a registered Level 3 sex offender whom the state Department of Social and Health Services recently placed in secure housing in his neighborhood. His neighborhood has lots of children. The issue isn't going to go away, he said. 'The whole time it's been on TV, I've been thinking about that,' he said. It doesn't assuage his concerns that the offender in his neighborhood is in the state's care, he said. 'I don't think plunking a sexual predator in somebody's neighborhood and saying, 'Well, at least you know he's there.' That doesn't help me at all.'"]

http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050707/NEWS/507070303You are entirely welcome. Thesmokinggun.com sent me the link though.

[Cowgirl]

On Nancy Grace's show they were just saying that the court papers today also revealed that Duncan walked Shasta through the crime scene after the people were all bloody... she saw her mother's bloody body at the scene. Later he showed her the hammer. How can she ever deal with this?

Even the defense attorneys and shrinks are cringing over this.

[shdbepaintin]

On Nancy Grace's show they were just saying that the court papers today also revealed that Duncan walked Shasta through the crime scene after the people were all bloody... she saw her mother's bloody body at the scene. Later he showed her the hammer. How can she ever deal with this?

Even the defense attorneys and shrinks are cringing over this.

Can this get any worse? I keep thinking this guy is worse then Satan himself. Really.
How will this baby girl ever get through this? How can she even fall asleep without horrible nightmares?
I am not sure I can even think of anything bad enough to happen to Duncan. The worst of the worst possible scenerios is still too good for him.

[SieSie]

I just hit the mid century too. But this was the worst, to me, except it did not involve kids:

http://www.bizarremag.com/true_crime.php?id=264

Gary Heidnik

OMG! :eek: I've never heard of this and I lived in PA in 1987, only about 2 hours from Philly! That was one of the most horrific articles I've ever read!!

[kpass]

On Nancy Grace's show they were just saying that the court papers today also revealed that Duncan walked Shasta through the crime scene after the people were all bloody... she saw her mother's bloody body at the scene. Later he showed her the hammer. How can she ever deal with this?

Even the defense attorneys and shrinks are cringing over this.

PLEASE tell me this is not true! That poor little girl, my heart aches for her. I hope they have her in some serious counseling, she'll need it for many, many years to come...God, please watch over this child, keep her safe & give her strength.

[Liz]

PLEASE tell me this is not true! That poor little girl, my heart aches for her. I hope they have her in some serious counseling, she'll need it for many, many years to come...God, please watch over this child, keep her safe & give her strength.


If this is true, then I am still of the belief that he murdered Dylan in front of Shasta. Even though so far, media reports say otherwise. I think she is just plain too shell-shocked, to acknowledge it at the present time.

That heartless sob! :mad:

[Cowgirl]

OMG! :eek: I've never heard of this and I lived in PA in 1987, only about 2 hours from Philly! That was one of the most horrific articles I've ever read!!At the time it got a lot of press SieSie, but the victims were black and they were mostly hookers. We didn't have an internet then. I think things might be different today. Scary man. Glad he is gone! Almost more scary is that the cops actually went to the house before and when no one answered they left. They were there because of a neighbor complaining about screaming or something! And if you saw the home, it looked just like any other kind of rundown neighborhood, any other house. What a creep.

But what it does to me is that every time a woman goes missing and her remains are not found, I remember this and realize, there are things worse than death.

[surf_moon_stars]

I am so beyond words on this complete monster. :mad: :mad: :mad:


He does not deserve any rights AT ALL!

He obtained a lawyer correct??? I will go locate that information
so I can read who.

I would NOT like to be the attorney or public defender for Duncan
in a million billion trillion years.

If they appoint him one, or someone is hired for him, I would be so upset
that anyone would do so. I could not and would not even if it was my profession to do so.:snooty:

Let the monster represenet himself, and see how far he gets period. :behindbar

What courtoom should take the time to do this in a public hearing....this should be done behind closed doors as so much tragedy has been provided about this whole situation. :confused:


This should be a speedy process for the respect of the family with all the information provided by Shasta and evidence collected.

I hope they just sentence him immediately and do what needs to be done.


JMO

Thanks for listening

[KT Can]

At the time it got a lot of press SieSie, but the victims were black and they were mostly hookers. We didn't have an internet then. I think things might be different today. Scary man. Glad he is gone! Almost more scary is that the cops actually went to the house before and when no one answered they left. They were there because of a neighbor complaining about screaming or something! And if you saw the home, it looked just like any other kind of rundown neighborhood, any other house. What a creep.

But what it does to me is that every time a woman goes missing and her remains are not found, I remember this and realize, there are things worse than death.

What an awful story Cowgirl. I had never heard of this, thanks for the link. I agree with you wholeheartedly that "every time a woman goes missing and her remains are not found, I remember this and realize, there are things worse than death." I think this scenario happens a lot more than we think. I always thought that somelike like this may have happened to Jodi Huisentrut.

[newtv]

From what I have read, it sounds as though Dylan and Shasta were placed in a truck before the murders and so probably didn't see them (though we don't know what she was told)
I am not really clear on whether she saw or heard Dylan's murder. I remember an article which mentioned that LE recovered the remains believed to be Dylan's at the camp where Shasta had last seen Dylan alive.
nancy grace reported that she was told he killed them and showed her the hammer he used to do it with- and hence- no wonder she was obedient.

[Cowgirl]

What an awful story Cowgirl. I had never heard of this, thanks for the link. I agree with you wholeheartedly that "every time a woman goes missing and her remains are not found, I remember this and realize, there are things worse than death." I think this scenario happens a lot more than we think. I always thought that somelike like this may have happened to Jodi Huisentrut.Exactly, Kcanal. Jodi's tenth anniversary of her disappearance was just the other day and this was the vision that came to my mind. Could she possibly still be alive someplace? Could the stalker she had spoken of be torturing her? She was heard screaming outside her apartment that morning. She may be in a ditch someplace, but her loved ones will never know. As awful as it is to find remains, it is better than wondering and worrying forever. It is a fate I hope Nalalee's mother is not left with.

[Shelayne]

I heard on more than one report that he paraded her through the crime scene, and she saw her mother. That is beyond what I can process... :sick:

To think that if this monster had not brought Shasta into Denny's, and just waltzed off unnoticed, this little sweetie would be dead, and he would be off on another spree, and not be a suspect! And he knew it, too. He knew that if he crossed state lines, that Becker County was not going to issue any kind national "alert" for him jumping bail. He knew that he could slip under the radar for a long time. This is why he hid out at campsites. Mark Fuhrman was on FOX showing the actual campsite that Dylan's body was found. There was NOTHING around it. Those precious babies could have screamed their heads off, and NO ONE would have heard them. His mistake was coming out of hiding, probably thinking the media interest would have died down, and people really wouldn't notice--afterall HE knew that HE wouldn't have been suspected, and it is only all about HIM. This was his unbelievable arrogance--that he thought this darling little girl (and boy :( )would be forgettable, and ALL the focus would be on finding some "unknown" perp. He thought, "they will never find me. I left nothing at the scene. I don't know these people. I live faaaar away from here, and my MO is pulling the pants down of little boys and videotaping it. Not murder. Well, as far as they know anyway...."

He would have gotten away with it. He would be in some other state now, watching some other family with night vision goggles. Heaven help us!

[SewingDeb]

I just hit the mid century too. But this was the worst, to me, except it did not involve kids:

http://www.bizarremag.com/true_crime.php?id=264

Gary Heidnik

Horrible, sadistic monster! I had never heard of this one before.

[mysteriew]

Ok, last night I was tired and busy doing some other things. I ran across an article and when I went back to find it and post it, I couldn't find it. So take this as rumor unless/until we find something to back it up. What I read was about Dylan's remains. The reason they could not ID him at the scene was not due to animals (at least not the furry kind). I read that Duncan cremated Dylan and that all LE was able to find was a small amt of his remains. I don't know if I entirely believe the story as it takes a long time and a very high temp. to cremate someones remains. But if he attempted to burn the remains, this could explain the difficulties of not being able to identify him without DNA.

[Vet4Bush]

I just found another version of the Time magazine cover on an archive he was apparently using.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020821074036/cableone.net/jetd/timecover_sm1.jpg

Was he using any other nic besides jetd? There are about 33000 pics on the archive that anyone could use and they're filed alphabetically by nic.

[oceanblueeyes]

2 watched him bludgeon the first with the hammer knowing what was coming. and then there was one. awaiting same fate.

the horror is unbearable.

i hope it is so the two children didn't witness this -- but then Shasta sounds as tho she watched him murder Dylan.

:(


After what we have learned from Shasta's statements so far, I now believe that Mark was the last one to die in the home. Shasta never said she heard her mom or Slade cry out but she did Mark several times. I think he was having to witness the ones he loved being beaten to death. One blow to Mark would have caused his silence immediately as one blow from a hammer to the skull can cause death itself.

Through his tears and screams maybe the duct tape slipped off of his mouth in order for the screams to be heard. I feel so sorry for all of this family.........not a one of them weren't destroyed.

Yes, Shasta lived through it but at what cost to her mental health? I am glad to know that Steve already is taking her to a psychiatrist. It is going to be a long, long journey for her.

IMO

Ocean

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok, last night I was tired and busy doing some other things. I ran across an article and when I went back to find it and post it, I couldn't find it. So take this as rumor unless/until we find something to back it up. What I read was about Dylan's remains. The reason they could not ID him at the scene was not due to animals (at least not the furry kind). I read that Duncan cremated Dylan and that all LE was able to find was a small amt of his remains. I don't know if I entirely believe the story as it takes a long time and a very high temp. to cremate someones remains. But if he attempted to burn the remains, this could explain the difficulties of not being able to identify him without DNA.

Yes you are correct they only found charred remains of Dylan at the campsite. There is a link to this info in a article in the Links Thread.

So sad...........so very, very, sad.

IMO

Ocean

[OneMADmomma]

I guess a mother's love is completly unconditional...:eek:
Read on: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162417,00.html

Poor Shasta :furious:

[Dara]

I guess a mother's love is completly unconditional...:eek:
Read on: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162417,00.html

Poor Shasta :furious:
I was just reading that article. Poor Shasta indeed. I'm glad the family's been trying to keep her away from the news coverage. So sad that she saw that piece of garbage on TV.

Duncan's mother loves him. Well, I guess that is, as you say, unconditional love. Wonder if she's read his comments blaming her and his father for at least some of his problems.

[islegirl]

I had read about this case a few years ago-- he's been executed already.
There is another similar one w/ a guy named Larry Eyler, (died of AIDS)- and Bob Bordello (sickos!)


Horrible, sadistic monster! I had never heard of this one before.

[dr dona]

I am so beyond words on this complete monster. :mad: :mad: :mad:


He does not deserve any rights AT ALL!

He obtained a lawyer correct??? I will go locate that information
so I can read who.

I would NOT like to be the attorney or public defender for Duncan
in a million billion trillion years.

If they appoint him one, or someone is hired for him, I would be so upset
that anyone would do so. I could not and would not even if it was my profession to do so.:snooty:

Let the monster represenet himself, and see how far he gets period. :behindbar

What courtoom should take the time to do this in a public hearing....this should be done behind closed doors as so much tragedy has been provided about this whole situation. :confused:


This should be a speedy process for the respect of the family with all the information provided by Shasta and evidence collected.

I hope they just sentence him immediately and do what needs to be done.


JMO

Thanks for listening
one of the defense attorney's on Nancy Grace thought the prosecutor would plead this case out rather than have Shasta testify. Offer Life without parole rather than THE DEATH PENALTY! That really angered me! I feel if ever the death penalty was warranted, this is the case! I'd only agree to Life if Duncan serves his sentence among the general prison population rather than in isolation. The other inmates will take care of the situation. God, forgive me for speaking with so much vengeance in my soul! But, this is one sick monster!

[Shazzie]

one of the defense attorney's on Nancy Grace thought the prosecutor would plead this case out rather than have Shasta testify. Offer Life without parole rather than THE DEATH PENALTY! That really angered me! I feel if ever the death penalty was warranted, this is the case! I'd only agree to Life if Duncan serves his sentence among the general prison population rather than in isolation. The other inmates will take care of the situation. God, forgive me for speaking with so much vengeance in my soul! But, this is one sick monster!
If it actually meant Shasta not having to testify, I could live with LWOP. Sparing her further misery is a higher priority for me than exterminating the monster.

[Cowgirl]

one of the defense attorney's on Nancy Grace thought the prosecutor would plead this case out rather than have Shasta testify. Offer Life without parole rather than THE DEATH PENALTY! That really angered me! I feel if ever the death penalty was warranted, this is the case! I'd only agree to Life if Duncan serves his sentence among the general prison population rather than in isolation. The other inmates will take care of the situation. God, forgive me for speaking with so much vengeance in my soul! But, this is one sick monster!Since he has the death penalty on the table in three jurisdictions, it may end up that these three cooperate with each other so that he is sure to get it in the jurisdication that is most likely to actually do it and also cooperate to allow the least amount of further trauma to befall Shasta.

Idaho has only executed one person since the DP was reinstated, Montana has done it twice since, and both states have a life without parole option. Now, the third option, the Feds, will execute. So, just like with the guy who did the Oklahoma City bombing, they could prosecute Duncan for the kidnapping and murder federal charges and do away with the slug rather quickly. Those two states will never kill him.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/

Above is the link on state info. But putting him in general population is never going to happen, anyplace. Sorry, they don't sanction letting the inmates beat a pervert to a bloody spot on the floor. But sometimes a guard will step away...

Speaking of which, if I were the jailer serving his breakfast these days, I would be peeing in his coffee and wiping my butt on his toast every day.

[concernedperson]

Since he has the death penalty on the table in three jurisdictions, it may end up that these three cooperate with each other so that he is sure to get it in the jurisdication that is most likely to actually do it and also cooperate to allow the least amount of further trauma to befall Shasta.

Idaho has only executed one person since the DP was reinstated, Montana has done it twice since, and both states have a life without parole option. Now, the third option, the Feds, will execute. So, just like with the guy who did the Oklahoma City bombing, they could prosecute Duncan for the kidnapping and murder federal charges and do away with the slug rather quickly. Those two states will never kill him.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/

ve is the link on state info.


In that case I hope the feds have first dibs.

[mysteriew]

one of the defense attorney's on Nancy Grace thought the prosecutor would plead this case out rather than have Shasta testify. Offer Life without parole rather than THE DEATH PENALTY! That really angered me! I feel if ever the death penalty was warranted, this is the case! I'd only agree to Life if Duncan serves his sentence among the general prison population rather than in isolation. The other inmates will take care of the situation. God, forgive me for speaking with so much vengeance in my soul! But, this is one sick monster!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/Welcome%20to%20the%20group/ani-welcome7.gif To WS!!!

I too would be willing to see him with LOP if it meant that Shasta didn't have to testify. And in some ways I think that LOP would be harder on this guy than the DP. He went on a rampage in response to pending incarceration in Minn. He was possibly suicidal. So why not make him live, instead of giving him what he wants. Unable to get out and travel, to participate in sports, no way to act on his fantasies. I really think this is one guy who dreads incarceration more than death. Living his life behind bars, poor food, little contact with people, no one who looks at him like he could even be a human being.

[Shazzie]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/mysteriew/Welcome%20to%20the%20group/ani-welcome7.gif To WS!!!

I too would be willing to see him with LOP if it meant that Shasta didn't have to testify. And in some ways I think that LOP would be harder on this guy than the DP. He went on a rampage in response to pending incarceration in Minn. He was possibly suicidal. So why not make him live, instead of giving him what he wants. Unable to get out and travel, to participate in sports, no way to act on his fantasies. I really think this is one guy who dreads incarceration more than death. Living his life behind bars, poor food, little contact with people, no one who looks at him like he could even be a human being.
I agree. I'm sure he would detest that. And just think how many years he would have to endure it!

I hope the various jurisdictions cooperate as Cowgirl suggested. I think that would be the best thing that could happen.

[cynder]

Perhaps Shasta WANTS to testify? She has been so strong, so wise, so mature that I can't help but think that maybe she wants- even needs - to stand in court and have a part in making sure this slug gets a needle in his arm. She was brave enough to tell LE what he did, down to the type of hammer he used - maybe what kept her going was the idea that one day she would be able to use that information against him.
Shasta is a very special little girl - and she has a special purpose in this world - she is extraordinary. This is HER family and she will forever be their legacy, their face to the world. She carries all of their hopes and dreams in her heart. To testify, to be their advocate, their voice in the courtroom may be less traumatic than letting it never have an "end" at least in her mind. To see him get his "due" may be the closure SHE needs.
I know that Shasta will get the support and help she needs - she is already thriving in the love of her family. If she wants to tell her story, then she should be allowed to. To plea bargain this scum to protect her is fine IF that is what is best for Shasta, but she has certainly proven that this is HER decision to make - if she has earned ANYTHING it would be that. She was mature enough to get thru this ordeal alive and tell the tale - she has the right to make him pay with her words if she wants.....only if she wants, of course.
I look at her sometimes and see a resolve in those eyes, a light that burns steady and strong and BRIGHT, so bright and I keep thinking of the children of the Holocaust, the ones who survived unspeakable horrors - for many of them the inspiration that kept them alive against all odds was to live to tell the world the truth, to be the living witness for those who died. They too had that light, that soul lit from within - like a protective mantle from heaven - armour of an invincible sort. HE is holding her close and she is in HIS care. No matter what she decides HE will be with her.

[surf_moon_stars]

originally posted by cowgirl
Since he has the death penalty on the table in three jurisdictions, it may end up that these three cooperate with each other so that he is sure to get it in the jurisdication that is most likely to actually do it and also cooperate to allow the least amount of further trauma to befall Shasta.

Idaho has only executed one person since the DP was reinstated, Montana has done it twice since, and both states have a life without parole option. Now, the third option, the Feds, will execute. So, just like with the guy who did the Oklahoma City bombing, they could prosecute Duncan for the kidnapping and murder federal charges and do away with the slug rather quickly. Those two states will never kill him.




orignally posted my mysteriew

I too would be willing to see him with LOP if it meant that Shasta didn't have to testify. And in some ways I think that LOP would be harder on this guy than the DP. He went on a rampage in response to pending incarceration in Minn. He was possibly suicidal. So why not make him live, instead of giving him what he wants. Unable to get out and travel, to participate in sports, no way to act on his fantasies. I really think this is one guy who dreads incarceration more than death. Living his life behind bars, poor food, little contact with people, no one who looks at him like he could even be a human being.
Good points, and thank you for the BG information on the DP info cowgirl...You never seem to amaze me with your knowledge and updates.


I think Shasta had said "more than enough" to help this case be open and shut, and I hope this can be done soon. :( :(


The part that really upsets me is that in the news article on one media site, it stated that when Shasta saw a picture of Dylan on tv and then Duncan's , she said....."There's Jet". (see article)


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162417,00.html


That monster :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

Jet is what he told his "friends" to call him (as per a few different interviews )by people he had become close to after knowing them awhile, in which must mean, he felt comfortable enough to suggest they call him by this name.

I am so angry that she knew that name at all.....and he asked her to call him that after he does this???

He was released on $15,000 bail earlier this year in Becker County, Minn., after being charged with molesting a 6-year-old boy. Police in Fargo had been looking for him since he failed to check in with a probation agent there in May.He was busted on a molestation charge in Minnesota last year, which rewind one more year to June 2003, when Leanna disappared from her Minnesota neighborhood.

Ok...if there has been NO Blog activity from this guy during the time of before Leanna disappearing and after she disappeared then that is a BIG problem in my eyes.

If he could not log anything online because he was out CAMPING out on the lamb after doing anything unthinkable during this time....then of course, he would supposedly be Out doing things with "friends" who are probably people he met along his path, and trying to cover his tracks.

Which will lead me to my next post,


This is JMO.....

[dr dona]

Perhaps Shasta WANTS to testify? She has been so strong, so wise, so mature that I can't help but think that maybe she wants- even needs - to stand in court and have a part in making sure this slug gets a needle in his arm. She was brave enough to tell LE what he did, down to the type of hammer he used - maybe what kept her going was the idea that one day she would be able to use that information against him.
Shasta is a very special little girl - and she has a special purpose in this world - she is extraordinary. This is HER family and she will forever be their legacy, their face to the world. She carries all of their hopes and dreams in her heart. To testify, to be their advocate, their voice in the courtroom may be less traumatic than letting it never have an "end" at least in her mind. To see him get his "due" may be the closure SHE needs.
I know that Shasta will get the support and help she needs - she is already thriving in the love of her family. If she wants to tell her story, then she should be allowed to. To plea bargain this scum to protect her is fine IF that is what is best for Shasta, but she has certainly proven that this is HER decision to make - if she has earned ANYTHING it would be that. She was mature enough to get thru this ordeal alive and tell the tale - she has the right to make him pay with her words if she wants.....only if she wants, of course.
I look at her sometimes and see a resolve in those eyes, a light that burns steady and strong and BRIGHT, so bright and I keep thinking of the children of the Holocaust, the ones who survived unspeakable horrors - for many of them the inspiration that kept them alive against all odds was to live to tell the world the truth, to be the living witness for those who died. They too had that light, that soul lit from within - like a protective mantle from heaven - armour of an invincible sort. HE is holding her close and she is in HIS care. No matter what she decides HE will be with her.
Beautifully stated. I've also seen the light in Shasta's eyes!

[surf_moon_stars]

Shasta is one strong butterfly and I think she has definitely got strength shining through those beatutiful eyes. She is doing an amazing job and I can't say enough good things about this special girl.

I have questions pertaining to filling in the time lines of Duncan's where abouts during the Leanna Warner case...

Should I start that on a new thread, or should it be part of the "New Info" thread we are on right now???


I have a few questions that I don't want to direct off of Shasta and new info, but yet I want to makes sure we can connect the dots (in hope and faith) that we can definitely make sure that monster was not around her area, which again, I believe we need to look into.

Whether Duncan was around there at that time or it was someone else, we need to look into it for the sake of Leanna's family..

JMO

Edited to say: Big typo mess on this one....sorry, but fixed now

THanks for listening

[Liz]

Perhaps Shasta WANTS to testify? She has been so strong, so wise, so mature that I can't help but think that maybe she wants- even needs - to stand in court and have a part in making sure this slug gets a needle in his arm. She was brave enough to tell LE what he did, down to the type of hammer he used - maybe what kept her going was the idea that one day she would be able to use that information against him.
Shasta is a very special little girl - and she has a special purpose in this world - she is extraordinary. This is HER family and she will forever be their legacy, their face to the world. She carries all of their hopes and dreams in her heart. To testify, to be their advocate, their voice in the courtroom may be less traumatic than letting it never have an "end" at least in her mind. To see him get his "due" may be the closure SHE needs.
I know that Shasta will get the support and help she needs - she is already thriving in the love of her family. If she wants to tell her story, then she should be allowed to. To plea bargain this scum to protect her is fine IF that is what is best for Shasta, but she has certainly proven that this is HER decision to make - if she has earned ANYTHING it would be that. She was mature enough to get thru this ordeal alive and tell the tale - she has the right to make him pay with her words if she wants.....only if she wants, of course.
I look at her sometimes and see a resolve in those eyes, a light that burns steady and strong and BRIGHT, so bright and I keep thinking of the children of the Holocaust, the ones who survived unspeakable horrors - for many of them the inspiration that kept them alive against all odds was to live to tell the world the truth, to be the living witness for those who died. They too had that light, that soul lit from within - like a protective mantle from heaven - armour of an invincible sort. HE is holding her close and she is in HIS care. No matter what she decides HE will be with her.


Wow, Cynder! That was absolutly one of the most beautifully worded posts I think I've ever read on websleuths. Brought me to tears.

[Cowgirl]

Shasta is one strong butterfly and I think she has definitely got strength shining through those beatutiful eyes. She is doing an amazing job and I can't say enough good things about this special girl.

I have questions pertaining to filling in the time lines of Duncan's where abouts during the Leanna Warner case...

Should I start that on a new thread, or should it be part of the "New Info" thread we are on right now???


I have a few questions that I don't want to direct off of Shasta and new info, but yet I want to makes sure we can connect the dots (in hope and faith) that we can definitely make sure that monster was not around her area, which again, I believe we need to look into.

Ok....JMO

Edited to say: Big typo mess on this one....sorry, but fixed now

THanks for listeningIf it is about Leanna, I would read the dark side blog first:

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_groene_murders_and_kidnapping.html

There is a tremendous amount of reasearch on other missing kids there.

[cinsbythesea]

Perhaps Shasta WANTS to testify? She has been so strong, so wise, so mature that I can't help but think that maybe she wants- even needs - to stand in court and have a part in making sure this slug gets a needle in his arm. She was brave enough to tell LE what he did, down to the type of hammer he used - maybe what kept her going was the idea that one day she would be able to use that information against him.
Shasta is a very special little girl - and she has a special purpose in this world - she is extraordinary. This is HER family and she will forever be their legacy, their face to the world. She carries all of their hopes and dreams in her heart. To testify, to be their advocate, their voice in the courtroom may be less traumatic than letting it never have an "end" at least in her mind. To see him get his "due" may be the closure SHE needs.
I know that Shasta will get the support and help she needs - she is already thriving in the love of her family. If she wants to tell her story, then she should be allowed to. To plea bargain this scum to protect her is fine IF that is what is best for Shasta, but she has certainly proven that this is HER decision to make - if she has earned ANYTHING it would be that. She was mature enough to get thru this ordeal alive and tell the tale - she has the right to make him pay with her words if she wants.....only if she wants, of course.
I look at her sometimes and see a resolve in those eyes, a light that burns steady and strong and BRIGHT, so bright and I keep thinking of the children of the Holocaust, the ones who survived unspeakable horrors - for many of them the inspiration that kept them alive against all odds was to live to tell the world the truth, to be the living witness for those who died. They too had that light, that soul lit from within - like a protective mantle from heaven - armour of an invincible sort. HE is holding her close and she is in HIS care. No matter what she decides HE will be with her.

Cynder-what a beautiful, eloquent post. You've brought a lump to my throat and tears to my eyes. Beautifully done.

[surf_moon_stars]

Thank you cowgirl....

I am all over there, and have every site I can find open to follow the timelines....your too kind to help me out.

This is the part in general...and I have been reading in this blog, as this guy has so many sites and links that I am still checking out and reviewing... :mad: which is so upsetting that he had so much time to do geocaching, prey on kids, and try and remain the model citizen while keeping this kind of blog and website activity.
__________________________________________________ _____

Has anyone mention or confirm ( per Duncan's blog) that he was actually where he said he was on the day of her disappearnace June 14, 2003?

Ducan mentions in his January 03, 2004 this information.

http://jetd63.blogspot.com/2004_01_01_jetd63_archive.html#107320263670786958


Saturday, January 03, 2004

Just found out that a little girl went missing from Chisholm MN on June 14, 2003 (this year). I did not even know until today that this happened.

So, as usual I tried to figure out what I was doing that day, and according to my Quicken entries that was the day that I went to watch a couple of my co-workers jump out of an airplane (tandem jumps).

I had purchased a package of depends as a joke, and some tapes for my camcorder that morning. I also Went shopping that day at Cashwise and bought over a $100 worth of food, (a major grocery shopping trip) but when I checked my file for these receipts to see what time I was at Cash Wise (the grocery store) I discovered the receipts were missing. ???

Makes me wonder. I'm sure the police would not have just taken them, (maybe not so sure) but maybe someone I know did; and gave them to the police. I'm going to look for them some more.
Has there been any videotape at this grocery store, and/or co-workers he was "supposedly" with the day of her disappearance???

And thes people he was with that day could be co-workers from any "company" , which could be his present job if he had one at that time, but did not see it mentioned)


I had purchased a package of depends as a joke, and some tapes for my camcorder that morning.Camcorder tape for airplane diving or for recording unspeakable acts for himself to view later.

If he told Shasta he had been watching them prior, he could have possibly been video taping them as well, while watching them before he went into the home.



What type of vacation did the Warner's come back from ??? Was it a camping trip, local trip in the area or lake kind of trip, or were they out of town visiting relatives....anyone know this????


You might say that finding out about the girl missing is the proverbial last straw. Because of all the other recent incidents in the news lately, especially regarding missing people and the resulting intensification of the persecution of sex offenders, I've decided to start keeping this blog up to date and I will also be purchasing a small recorder and making time/event entries each day at this site so I can check easily what I was doing on any day in question. This is for my own safety. I figure it is just a matter of time before I am falsely accused of some crime or another.THis is what leads me to believe that he probably had some type of recorder on him already to record his thoughts, locations, updates, to post for his blog at a later date.....

Ok , am I reaching too far out there on this, because this man is tied in way too much for me not to believe otherwise...timelines needed to be accounted for daily on this man from the time he was released to the time he just went back in.

Thanks for listening

JMO

[Shelayne]

What type of vacation did the Warner's come back from ??? Was it a camping trip, local trip in the area or lake kind of trip, or were they out of town visiting relatives....anyone know this????

Oh my gosh! I think that they had just returned from the lake. I believe that is where they were. A little sleuthing, and we can find out from where. He also said in his blog that he started that blog after JUST finding out about little Beaner (without naming her, of course) six months later. He wanted to have a saftey mechanism, so-to-speak, to account for his actions--only he really can't on that day because, golly gee, he LOST his receipts. :croc:

Out of the blue, he brings up the disappearance of LeeAnna. Uh huh. :razz:

[Shelayne]

OK, my eyes are googled out of my head. :crazy: It seems that the Warners were at Chisholm Lake. Also I found an article that they had lowered another Lake, Longyear Lake months (and at night :wait a sec: ) after her disappearance as they thought that footprints on the shore may have been LeeAnna's. Strange.

Also there is a thread on Duncan's whereabouts that puts him in Crosby, MN one week before her disappearance. Crosby is only a couple of hours from Chisholm. What is interesting is that he is supposedly somewhere "farther" away in that general timeframe, but this poster found Duncan's photos of his diving, and they would be from Crosby. At least I think that is what I was reading. It's late, my eyes are red, and the gum that I've been chomping on has lost its flavor.

I still want to know WHY he would think he would be looked at in this little gir's disappearance when he was NOT THAT close to her. I am sure that other children were missing as well during that time period--does he write about them? And his MO was molesting boys, why would he even THINK they would seek him out for the abduction of a little GIRL??

This just keeps getting more curious. OK, time to pull my eyeballs off my cheeks, spit out this stale gum, and hit the sheets! :D Nighty Night!

[JavaJunkie]

I'd like to know what judge thinks he knows this because all of those who were at the barbeque that night have said they never saw Duncan before. Are you sure this judge was not just speculating? Duncan only has a history of smoking pot. That is completely different from meth. And the deceased had trace amounts of meth in their systems, so they were not doing or "on drugs" that night any more than they were "on beer" if they had one the previous day.
I'd like to jump in here a sec... Duncan's drug use is WAY more than being caught with pot once. That was the incident when he violated & was sent back to prison... "Duncan was paroled in September 1994 but the parole was revoked two years later after he was caught smoking marijuana and possessing a firearm."

"He first came to the attention of law enforcement officials at age 15, when he took a vehicle without the owner's permission, led police on a high-speed chase and tried to ram a police car blockade. He was placed at a boys ranch, put on probation for a year and ordered to do 150 hours of community service."
http://cdapress.com/articles/2005/07/03/news/news03.txt

"Duncan later told a pre-sentencing investigator that he was using marijuana daily by the time he got to high school, and tried LSD, amphetamines, barbiturates, valium and PCP."
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=78674

I do NOT want to get all over the victims, I totally DISAGREE with the general assumptions made. BUT I will say... a friend with weed is a friend indeed... And if JED had something to "share", befriended himself to the BBQ group... it would not be too difficult to weasel in, if he brought freebies. That I think is where the speculation is coming in to play, since some pedos groom a family. This is NOT my theory, I think JED did his stalking invisibly, and came in like an atomic bomb out of nowhere.

NOW - FACTS say NO alcohol in Brenda's or Mark's system. Initial tox screen positive for marijuana & meth -- resultant tox screen show only traces of each. LE said they found it irrelevant, because they were traces. Just enough to show a positive result, not enough to be of any substance. That night, early Mon. morning they would NOT be under the influence of ANYTHING AT THAT MOMENT, other than being woken from SLEEP. Remember, Shasta has said they were sleeping, the murder date is 5/16 Mon., they elude to very late night / early am before sunup. Their mental state should have in no way been altered AT THAT MOMENT, any moreso than any other human, who had just been woken by a raging psycho with a shotgun & night vision goggles out of a sound sleep!! Marijuana can show traces for a month after smoking, meth can show traces from days prior. No alcohol, traces = They were not "partying", but winding down for Mon. If they'd been on a bender Sunday, those levels would be much higher, fresh in the system.

I realize many people hear the word "drug" and jump ahead to a picture of a crackhead living in the dumpster. Now, these kids were good students, active in school, had friends, IMO - appeared well cared for. Tis love that makes a family home.
Lots of folks hit the bar for a night "off". If Mark had gone with Lutner for a brew, and met Duncan at the bar, would we all be screaming, alcohol is evil, associating with alcohol friends can bring bad folks to your home? Is it 1 in 4 Americans inhale or have inhaled? Not every single drug user has a rotten home, they are the minority of ALL drug users.
I realize there is a meth epidemic, it can ruin lives, but the major demographic of users has been middle aged mothers, using to get ALL the chores done. The meth rage comes from those who have that predisposition or hidden trait, and the meth exacerbates it to the extreme. This horrifying monster, was he just a psycho? Or a psycho enhanced 1000 times by a chemical?

Duncan is plenty psycho to do this stone cold sober, but he was on a "mission", very premeditated... He could have indulged in something say to give him the feeling of super human strength, invincibility, to enhance his staying power, to accomplish the mission. Old stories I've heard, PCP would do exactly that, I presume he could also use meth for the same.

I do not think the family's use is what to look at, but JED's!!
I think he would inhale, snort, ANYTHING, JMO. On tv, many said he was crying, UH I think he has a bit of "post nasal drip" myself. That video shot of him from prison at his first hearing or what not, he clearly "snuffs"... I do not believe it was "crying"... It struck me right away, awwww poor baby, none of that available in the big house, heh.

Mainly I just wanted to clarify JED has a drug history!! He's no one time smoker who didn't inhale. ;)
Sry for the length, just trying to put it all in one post.

[JavaJunkie]

The latest news says Duncan drove by looking for children and spotted Shasta in the yard in her bathing suit. He cased the house for three days and nights, using night vision goggles and even knew the layout of the house. I don't believe he had ever met them or done drugs with them, or even chatted (knowingly anyway) with them online.
This is something that scares me... Duncan told Shasta this n that. He's had 7 weeks to obsessively repeat things to her. I myself think not much straight truth comes from his piehole. I think he likes to riddle, say something a bit off, use a couple metaphors, make it sound like something else, when the truth is just barely under there a bit --- this from reading his blog --- he even says at one point...
"I’m making this sound way more confusing than it is. It is really very simple, too simple in fact. That is why we can not see it. We must “unbury” the truth, not re-construct it. So, remember, the Bible does not tell you what the truth is, it helps you to see what the truth is not." This from Jan. 04.
I'm warping that around to say, this blog is his bible, if we want to know what he is really saying, we must unbury it. To take his blog just as written, it's bunk, to say it is all bunk, is to miss something key, IMO. I think he's written his journal right there, but someone has to read between the lines to find his truth.

Thinking on that line... Are we so sure the things HE told Shasta, and planted firmly in her amazing memory bank, are TRUE complete facts? OR is this the "tale" he wants her to tell?

For example - They are sure it is him alone, he's all Shasta saw. Nobody else owns night vision goggles, electronic gadgets, could have been just out of her sight, silent? HE tells her he stalked 3 nights. He was on the run for a month. We have NO idea what he did for most of those 30 days. Does he gain something, if LE thought this was a random choice, then he peeped for 3 days, rather than they may have been in his sights long before? That might lead to "other" things he wants left secret...

He set that "mission" in motion before he got in the Jeep, April 15! He plotted the crime to his twisted perfection, they did not find him, until he came out... but he risks, just finding a random family to fit his rage? If he went just for the kids, all the over the top, up close, brutality, the whole family, it's all unnecessary... but it was apparently "necessary" to him... Doesn't his motive seem to be a bit more than snatching 2 kids for sex? Doesn't he seem to show a NEED to dump his rage on the 3 murder victims in the home? HE told Shasta they were a random choice. The family had never seen him. LE is running with it, or so we think. How on earth do they KNOW HE had not set eyes on the family previously. Pretty amazing random choice, just like his own family, 5 kids, divorced, 2 youngest boy - girl. Of course he didn't know there were 2 older children living away, right?

LE is still holding back most of the evidence, that's their job. The few details out now are shocking everyone. They are also adjusting the big picture as things move forward. Remember, they said early on, we do NOT suspect a sexual motive. Well, now that is just what they are saying.
I'm going to hold off before I fall hook, line & sinker, for LE's "reported" "speculation". Unless there is physical evidence, proof positive, I won't buy 100% truth from the story, I believe he "implanted" on Shasta. I'm sure there is some truths, but this boy does EVERYTHING for his OWN gain. I have a stinking suspicion there will be ulterior motive to what HE said to her.

7 weeks! We've seen she was totally in his power, terrified to the point of cooperation at all costs. He had her to the point of doing ANYTHING he said. He could drill any information into her mind. Don't get me wrong, that girl has got amazing strength, to remember crystal clear, her entire ordeal, well bless her sweet heart, she will serve justice for her family. I believe she is precise in every detail that she saw with her own eyes. I'm just not ready to believe JED told her the God's honest truth. I think he would be able to put enough terror in her mind, that even now she would fear not doing as he had ordered.

Anyone else feeling this way? Or am I just freaking out over this creep alone?
:banghead:

[JavaJunkie]

Since he has the death penalty on the table in three jurisdictions, it may end up that these three cooperate with each other so that he is sure to get it in the jurisdication that is most likely to actually do it and also cooperate to allow the least amount of further trauma to befall Shasta.

Idaho has only executed one person since the DP was reinstated, Montana has done it twice since, and both states have a life without parole option. Now, the third option, the Feds, will execute. So, just like with the guy who did the Oklahoma City bombing, they could prosecute Duncan for the kidnapping and murder federal charges and do away with the slug rather quickly. Those two states will never kill him.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/

Above is the link on state info. But putting him in general population is never going to happen, anyplace. Sorry, they don't sanction letting the inmates beat a pervert to a bloody spot on the floor. But sometimes a guard will step away...

Speaking of which, if I were the jailer serving his breakfast these days, I would be peeing in his coffee and wiping my butt on his toast every day.
Speaking of which, if I were the jailer serving his breakfast these days, I would be peeing in his coffee and wiping my butt on his toast every day.
:clap: :laugh:

I don't know how things work -- I was hoping through all her interviews and details she is giving, they would be recording this meticulously. Could the video / audio / maybe pictures she draws -- then be submitted as her "testimony"? Or could she testify privately in chambers, or by video? If it comes down to forcing her on the stand in order to serve him death... I'd rather he rot in prison... one way or the other someone will get to him in there... look who they assigned Dahmer, mop duty with. :eek:

[JavaJunkie]

Ok, last night I was tired and busy doing some other things. I ran across an article and when I went back to find it and post it, I couldn't find it. So take this as rumor unless/until we find something to back it up. What I read was about Dylan's remains. The reason they could not ID him at the scene was not due to animals (at least not the furry kind). I read that Duncan cremated Dylan and that all LE was able to find was a small amt of his remains. I don't know if I entirely believe the story as it takes a long time and a very high temp. to cremate someones remains. But if he attempted to burn the remains, this could explain the difficulties of not being able to identify him without DNA.
I hate to say we have only seen the tip of the iceburg when it comes to this, well I don't want to get banned my first day.... this, freaking steaming pile of manure's evil! He's the sadist to end all time, Devil incarnate! It gets worse... I have dug out about 200 pages today, and saw this... I don't know if it is verified or reliable, I'm the newbie! Tell me master sleuths, this is beyond human comprehension...
http://www.clarkforkchronicle.com/20050707/pressrel-20050707.htm

I know this is tearing all our hearts out, I've had no doubt what Horror Shasta was exposed to... From the scumbag's pov, he needed her totally in his control... the new news shows he had that in mind from the first moment... he walked her through, with or w/o Dylan? He put her in shock & terror from moment one, so she would be his putty. Dirtbag, and fill it in _______. :furious:

[surf_moon_stars]

I just don't think that after all this that I have read, that this man has not done this to others over the years, and over the areas he has traveled so often.

I am completely disguisted by the actions of this monster... :mad: :furious: :mad:

[Liz]

You've definitely got me to thinking about some things, JavaJunkie. At a time in the morning when I really don't want to be 'thinking'. ;)

[JavaJunkie]

You've definitely got me to thinking about some things, JavaJunkie. At a time in the morning when I really don't want to be 'thinking'. ;)Well, whew, I've been so "immersed" since May 17th... I thought maybe you all would think, I was the psycho here!
the POS is in my head, and he's not letting go. It freaks me out when I'll be thinking, like I think, he is thinking, oh lord...... then the next day the article says what I thought was too outrageous to say out loud... I saw the scuba pics, got thinking on water, and body disposal, crap this is no morning coffee thoughts of the day...... Every hackle on my body stood on end when I read that link last night.... I haven't seen it talked of..... so I just don't know, but oh my freaking word....

I should share... before you all think I'm pulling this out of the air... I've been here, there, over there, around that site... since day 1.. very little sleep have I had... I really enjoy reading here at WS, and I couldn't keep my trap shut any longer. :laugh:

my theory is - he's a serial killer, among other things...
his attack on the 14 yo in 1980 was not his first act, but it was maybe his most bold / brutal one to date, he was getting bolder and fiercer, teenage hormones are fierce on their own...

I do NOT for one second believe he EVER turned back..... he's just played society & the "system's" game... I have several possible victims in mind, but it kept bugging me, how he could "fly under the radar"...... well sure doesn't sound like he left much of a visible trail..... until he WANTED to.....

he's going to get exactly what he dreamed of, IMO -- society will be in SHOCK when the "whole" story comes out... he will get a niche in history... devil incarnate, yes. but, everyone will be talking of it, we already are... his name will be remembered... then he gets his ultimate prize, death at our hands... rage against the world, but not enough berries to take his own stinking life... he WANTS us to do that for him, IMO.

Now, does he want to leave us all in the dark forever, wondering, never knowing? Or, will he spill it all?
I think he would get more out of it, if he never says a word... We'll never know for sure how many, what their fate was, or where they are, that way. Or if in fact he ever did more than this.. This is why I think he brought Shasta home when he did... He's got her "groomed" to tell the world, the horror, ... we will infer beyond the one family... LE is checking other cases.. maybe they will find "some" links.....

will they be POSITIVE they left no stone unturned if he doesn't talk?
I fear he won't live long enough on the inside, to be sure...
I have no problem with him receiving jailhouse justice :eek:
BUT not before, we know everything for sure!
ty too for the welcome, I may be way wrong, but I'll keep you entertained, until we can uncover the truth here. ;)

[Liz]

I'm with you, JJ. I've been a little overly immersed myself. Trying like hell to re-emerge, though.

Good deal! :) You keep posting, as I definitely enjoy reading what you've written.

[Shelayne]

I haven't even had my coffee, yet. I had to come up here and read WS.

Just before I fell asleep earlier this morning, I was thinking about all the diving Duncan has done. Boy, he sure would know which waters would be good to dispose a body in~ as in all those mining pits. :eek:

I have no doubt this monster has done this before~ probably not on this grand of a scale, but he has stalked families and taken their children. This had to be a graduation of sorts. Or maybe that is what I need to tell myself as it is incomprehensible for me to think that somebody could just suddenly decide "I'm going to murder (with a hammer, yet) an entire family and take their children as my sex hostages. :sick: And then I am going to torture and murder them, too.

I still think there is a good possibility he knows something about little LeeAnna Warner's disappearance. That--or he wants everyone reading his blog to THINK he is this master criminal. I just don't know because I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WAY! I thank God that I don't. It has to be like stewing in hell having these horrific thoughts and images and finding them tantalizing. :sick: Irresistable urges that to normal thinking folk are urges we cannot even fathom.

Good thing I haven't eaten yet. :sick: