Canada-Lianna White/Edmonton,AB

[linnafay]

Yes, Jess, I wondered how near she was to the river. I was always a "westend girl", so couldn't quite picture how near Castle Downs is to the river.

Yes, there seems to be very little talk on the part of friends and family. I also wonder why.


Castle downs is near St. Albert and down west of the old Griesbach Q's

It is a 15 min drive to the hospital if there is NO traffic. I would say probably more like 25 at that time of the day.

The river is by downtown...that would be one heck of a long walk!!

[gagesmom314]

Didn't we read somewhere that when she did not show up for work that her co workers called to see where she was? That could answer the how the hubby found out she was missing question.

[Jess]

If she is found in the river, I would feel confident in saying that someone put her there. The LOOONG route she would have had to walk to get to the river would only have increased the number of people that could have seen her.She would have been walking during rush hour. Didn't happen.
Today it is cool and has been raining off and on. Not a wonderful day for a search.

[linnafay]

If she is found in the river, I would feel confident in saying that someone put her there. The LOOONG route she would have had to walk to get to the river would only have increased the number of people that could have seen her.She would have been walking during rush hour. Didn't happen.
Today it is cool and has been raining off and on. Not a wonderful day for a search.


Ya its raining up here in Cold Lake as well...I worry that all the rain will make it difficult for search dogs to pick up her trail

[Jess]

Looks like a lot of dogs were at the Grand Prix yesterday. I haven't seen any pictures of dogs out searching. I know it was said they would be using dogs today.( Have friends up in Cold Lake )
We know the husband is ex-military and is now a mechanic. Haven't heard a word about where he works.

[mom-a-licious]

Wonder if Liana's car was kept locked prior to her getting into it in the morning? Could it have been unlocked during the night, and maybe outside or in an unlocked garage?

When she got in the car in the AM, someone could have already been in the back of the car, with a gun.

That might explain no signs of a struggle, why she pulled the car over, didn't make a cell call, etc.

People who have a gun pointed at them tend to follow commands without struggle.

Perp could have directed her to an area, where he already had his vehicle parked somewhere nearby.

When they reached that area, perp could have told Liana to take her wallet from her purse, then had her walk ahead of him, directing her to his vehicle.

She may have kicked off her shoes, and dropped the other items as clues, with perp not caring if she did, as he knew the car would be found anyway and that he & Liana would be long gone by the time her car was found.

Just racking my brain for possible scenarios. This scenario might point to someone who knew her, knew her & her family's routines, and that she'd be coming out to the car in the A.M. by herself. And knew the area well, also. A co-worker, perhaps?, or neighbor?

Still doesn't explain the time descrepancy regarding when her car was first seen, and I do still have questions in my mind about husband's possible role in this. Just a possible role, but the questions are there.

Someone mentioned using tracking dogs to determine if Liana had indeed been in the area around the outside of her car, where it was found that morning. Wonder if LE did this?

[Casshew]

Any word on a reward yet? I have not heard anything about the family putting up $$ for information.

Where are Liana's parents?

I still can't believe there has been no additional photos released, surely they have some more pics of her. I have not even heard when the one they are showing was taken- is it recent? is it a good representation of what she looked like the day she disappeared , hair style etc... was she wearing her hair up that day? what colour were her scrubs? is she shoeless now? as the shoes at the scene were the ones she normally wears to work?

Such little info :waitasec: very strange IMO

[newtv]

[QUOTE=Ghostwheel]Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

QUOTE]

..........the clocks in our house are similar to yours...........

...my one daughter likes to have hers 10 minutes ahead of time..............so she can hit the snooze button and dream aliitle longer..
...my other daughter has hers 5 minutes ahead of time, to allow herself time to change her outfit 6 times every morning..


..yet...........they both leave the house , like clockwork, at exactly the same time ( by the clock in the kitchen ) every day.........8:29, to catch the school bus at 8:34...

...our clock in the car is not only 4 minutes ahead...( so that we can hopefully arrive somewhere on time).........it's also not set to daylight savings.......an hour off....yet we still know the time...

...if someone leaves EVERY morning at 6:15................then it's 6:15.......I disagree-the people who own the clocks know how they work- we have not had it reported that it was 6:15 am (but that the clocks in the house are fast.) We are talking about routines.

He said it without blinking..so if her car was seen even at 6:15 then he is lying..but the car was spotted by 5:50-55..that is not a small amount of time.
The car should not have been where it was until say 6:20 or later..thats why his first statement should be taken as a lie. And why would he lie? And if he lied about that then what else is he lying about?
Further he is a military guy-how many military guys do u know who dont know the exact time?
They have a child-what mother doesnt know the time when it comes to what her child should be doing?
If they set their clock ahead-if his watch said one thing and the clock another, then he should have made that clear.
He said 6;15 because that is the time she would normally leave-for all we know she was already dead.
(Now we dont know he is involved, but I think in a missing persons case nothing should be blown off as accidental or coincidental. Every small detail is possibly the answer..and think about Laci- scott said he left the house at one time and they proved he did not-right there he was screwed.

added..and another thing we are not talking about unnecessary detail here-the time is critical - I do not think you speculate about time when a person is missing unless you really do not know for sure. He seemed to know for sure..so her car should not have been where it was so soon..I do not know the time from her house to where it was spotted and I am only allowing 5 minutes. That would be 6:20.
Our clocks are out a bit here and there..but a hospital worker and a military guy are not going to be sloppy about time.
Further- just how you described the time above would tell me that in your case there could be a reasonable explanation for a descrepancy, but that is not what happened here. He did not say- well we set our clock ahead and then her watch goes by hospital time and mine is always set to the radio....so it was sometime between 6:00 - 6:20 am.
He was definite and thats not an accident.

[newtv]

Wonder if Liana's car was kept locked prior to her getting into it in the morning? Could it have been unlocked during the night, and maybe outside or in an unlocked garage?

When she got in the car in the AM, someone could have already been in the back of the car, with a gun.

That might explain no signs of a struggle, why she pulled the car over, didn't make a cell call, etc.

People who have a gun pointed at them tend to follow commands without struggle.

Perp could have directed her to an area, where he already had his vehicle parked somewhere nearby.

When they reached that area, perp could have told Liana to take her wallet from her purse, then had her walk ahead of him, directing her to his vehicle.

She may have kicked off her shoes, and dropped the other items as clues, with perp not caring if she did, as he knew the car would be found anyway and that he & Liana would be long gone by the time her car was found.

Just racking my brain for possible scenarios. This scenario might point to someone who knew her, knew her & her family's routines, and that she'd be coming out to the car in the A.M. by herself. And knew the area well, also. A co-worker, perhaps?, or neighbor?

Still doesn't explain the time descrepancy regarding when her car was first seen, and I do still have questions in my mind about husband's possible role in this. Just a possible role, but the questions are there.

Someone mentioned using tracking dogs to determine if Liana had indeed been in the area around the outside of her car, where it was found that morning. Wonder if LE did this?
Someone being in the car waiting is about as good an alternative theory as I have heard so far. it never occured to me that might have happened. The next question then would be WHY?
Why would anyone want to kidnap her-no ransom has been asked for? It would have to be someone obsessed with her and who wants her for his own..
I dont think anyone with a gun would let her leave clues- only something staged. I doubt I would kick my shoes off or drop anything if I had a gun to my head. I would only drop what I was told to.

[sandraladeda]

Castle downs is near St. Albert and down west of the old Griesbach Q's

It is a 15 min drive to the hospital if there is NO traffic. I would say probably more like 25 at that time of the day.

The river is by downtown...that would be one heck of a long walk!!I've been in Calgary for 5 years. My recollection of where the river goes in Edmonton is getting fuzzy, lol! I can't remember where it goes east beyond Capilano. And I was also picturing Castle Downs as being more east, sort of near Londonderry maybe? It was never my neck of the woods!

Funny how many of us are in and around Edmonton. We could have a mini-WS reunion! At WEM when Casshew travels thru perhaps? :)

[sandraladeda]

Responding in between your comments in red. By the way, I love that name, "Mom-a-licious"!Wonder if Liana's car was kept locked prior to her getting into it in the morning? Could it have been unlocked during the night, and maybe outside or in an unlocked garage? Edmonton is a safe city. Not everyone locks up. I'm not a big door/car locker anyway, so it's possible.

When she got in the car in the AM, someone could have already been in the back of the car, with a gun. Not such a big possibility in Canada, would guess knife though...

That might explain no signs of a struggle, why she pulled the car over, didn't make a cell call, etc.

People who have a gun pointed at them tend to follow commands without struggle.

Perp could have directed her to an area, where he already had his vehicle parked somewhere nearby. Which could have been another SUV, thus spotted earlier by witnesses (there are about 10 people on my street with beige SUVs, including myself!)

When they reached that area, perp could have told Liana to take her wallet from her purse, then had her walk ahead of him, directing her to his vehicle.

She may have kicked off her shoes, and dropped the other items as clues, that's what I would try to do! with perp not caring if she did, or not noticing, or not having time to do anything about it...as he knew the car would be found anyway and that he & Liana would be long gone by the time her car was found.

Just racking my brain for possible scenarios. This scenario might point to someone who knew her, knew her & her family's routines, and that she'd be coming out to the car in the A.M. by herself. And knew the area well, also. A co-worker, perhaps?, or neighbor? Enemy? Of her or hubby?

Still doesn't explain the time descrepancy regarding when her car was first seen, and I do still have questions in my mind about husband's possible role in this. Just a possible role, but the questions are there.

Someone mentioned using tracking dogs to determine if Liana had indeed been in the area around the outside of her car, where it was found that morning. Wonder if LE did this?Oh, I hope they did!

[Jess]

In the Edmonton Sun article ( I posted the link earlier) it mentions Liana's mother, Maureen Kelly, an Edmonton resident.
On Saturdays there is no local news on any of the tv stations at noon . Neither CTV nor Global had any mention of the case during the morning shows.
I have seen only one picture of Liana. Is her hair the same? She certainly didn't look to be 140 pounds in the picture- wearing jeans and a white top.
There certainly is a dearth of information.

[Mabel]

I've seen her name spelled with two n's and with one n. Which is correct?

Her car was older, a 1991. Perhaps the car started acting up and she pulled into the lot intending to call for assistance. I wonder if LE started the car or simply towed it away.

I have a hard time with the theory that she just "walked away" from her life and left her first child behind. You can't walk away from being pregnant. If she did "walk away" there has to be another man involved.

[mysteriew]

In regards to the cell phone wallet and ID being strewn around. Usually if you throw a wallet, Things that may be loose in the wallet would fall out (if the wallet was open). But ID's, credit cards, and etc. that are in those little plastic sleeves will remain with the wallet (one or so may bounce out when the wallet hits the ground). Those sleeves fit pretty tight and don't allow things to just drop out. Items in the bill holder, would mostly stay in also, until the wallet hit the ground. To be described as strewn around, I would think that the items would have to be individually removed from the wallet and then thrown. LE mentioned the credit cards and ID being found strewn around. They did not mention anything about the pictures. Most women keep kids pictures and other family pictures in there wallet. Why weren't they "strewn around"?
IMO the items from her wallet were taken out deliberately, only the ones that would identify Liana. They were dropped or thrown around deliberately to associate her with the vehicle and/or to make it look like she was taken from the scene for money. Possibly to imitate a struggle. Same with the shoes. Keys were found but "not in the ignition". Like maybe they were removed out of habit, then the thought occurred that they would have to be there, so they were dropped to add to the "struggle" appearance.
My first thought was that they would find Liana near the vehicle, but I am revising that. The vehicle was meant to draw attention from the crime scene. And to draw attention from the site where Liana is.
One thing that I am not hearing is stories about the marriage (sp). I am not hearing that they were a cute and loving couple. I am not hearing about anticipation of the impending birth. Friends are not talking about them. Could it be that since no one has been accused- they don't want to be the first to point the finger?

[lostfaith]

Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

However, I would have a hard time if there were no signs of struggle. That would indicate she left of her own accord, or was never really there.

And I'm a fatalist. If any member of my family just disappeared (because none of them would just walk away), I'd think the worst if they hadn't turned up for two days. I wouldn't be thinking they went out for Cheetos and got lost, because that would not make sense. I'd be thinking I've probably lost my loved one and be stuck between searching to kill(the perp), and rolling up in a ball. I wouldn't be coherent on TV. I'd probably look like a homicidal maniac. Yeah, I'd pass the job off to someone else.

This is exactly what I said earlier. Every clock in my house is different. And MAYBE he never even got out of bed, maybe she came in the bedroom, said she was leaving, he said goodbye and rolled back over. Happens everyday in my house. Maybe he just said she left at 6:15 because that is the usual time she leaves, and maybe they asked what she was wearing and he said "scrubs" because that what she usually wears. Do we know for sure that he said he was for sure up and awake when she left? Or is he just going by what "usually" routine in their house?

Or...maybe he did it. I need more info.

[lostfaith]

Man, it'd be GREAT to be that exact in my life. But the cereal gets spilled, the toilet overflows, the rat dies in the driveway. No two days are alike around here--they tell me other people don't have these things happen....


Lol ghostwheel....dont feel bad, sounds like my house too!

[lostfaith]

........yes...on TV, the perp would have to be someone that they've 'shown' us so far........because the TV audience has to 'identify' with the character and all that......if only we could get the hot shot CSI guys to wrap this up in the next 45 minutes............

...i can't see someone who works in a hospital............enroute to that hospital........stopping for any medical emergency.......why not just carry on to the hospital ?
..i have thought about why she may pull over into that lot..................can't think of any reason......


I can think of a few. Dont know what happened to her, but I have pulled over for a few reasons in the past.
1. Engine trouble, with a brand new vehicle, lesson....do not ever continue to drive when your oil pressure drops!
2. Threw a lit ciggerate out the window and it flew back in, to the back seat! :eek: But, she is prego and prob. dont smoke.
3. Turned a corner too fast and my coffee, soda, or whatever went flying out of the cup holder and spilled all over. pull over to clean it up a little.
4. ashamed to admit this one.....realized I was driving in second (automatic car) and pulled over to put it into drive. I do this one alot, dont know why :blushing:
5.Pulled over to make sure I had my checkbook, or whatever so I did not have to go back home later. Better to do it now when only a block from home.
6. felt faint and pulled over. Very possible being pregnant and the weather so hot. Better to pull over than continue driving, in my opinion!

Just saying, there are plenty of reasons people pull over.

[sandraladeda]

This is exactly what I said earlier. Every clock in my house is different. And MAYBE he never even got out of bed, maybe she came in the bedroom, said she was leaving, he said goodbye and rolled back over. Happens everyday in my house. Maybe he just said she left at 6:15 because that is the usual time she leaves, and maybe they asked what she was wearing and he said "scrubs" because that what she usually wears. Do we know for sure that he said he was for sure up and awake when she left? Or is he just going by what "usually" routine in their house?

Or...maybe he did it. I need more info.My hubby is a real early bird - rises at 4:30 or 5 AM without an alarm clock. I get real mad if he wakes me, and it's not unusual for me to snarl at him - "WHAT TIME IS IT ANYWAY?" :furious: , and he has been known to say something like "6 am" when its really 5 AM, 'cuz he knows I won't be as mad, and will likely roll over and fall back to sleep. If MW says he saw LW at 6:15, is it possible he thought it was 6:15 because either she said so or it's the usual time she leaves the house so he assumed it was 6:15?

Also, to myseriew, re: the wallet - I keep a really messy wallet. I never put my credit cards back into the slots, I just shove them into the change or bill compartment, so I know my cards would fly out easily. I know I am unusually sloppy with stuff, who knows if LW is a slob like me?

[sandraladeda]

I can think of a few. Dont know what happened to her, but I have pulled over for a few reasons in the past.
1. Engine trouble, with a brand new vehicle, lesson....do not ever continue to drive when your oil pressure drops!
2. Threw a lit ciggerate out the window and it flew back in, to the back seat! :eek: But, she is prego and prob. dont smoke.
3. Turned a corner too fast and my coffee, soda, or whatever went flying out of the cup holder and spilled all over. pull over to clean it up a little.
4. ashamed to admit this one.....realized I was driving in second (automatic car) and pulled over to put it into drive. I do this one alot, dont know why :blushing:
5.Pulled over to make sure I had my checkbook, or whatever so I did not have to go back home later. Better to do it now when only a block from home.
6. felt faint and pulled over. Very possible being pregnant and the weather so hot. Better to pull over than continue driving, in my opinion!

Just saying, there are plenty of reasons people pull over.
Good point. I thought maybe morning sickness caused her to pull over - I did that alot when pregnant. Didn't always get sick, sonetimes the feeling would pass.

Also, I often pull over to look for something I need to have with me that day, to make sure I have it with me before I turn around and head for home to retrieve it.

Couple more ideas....:waitasec:

[Casshew]

The silence from Alberta is deafening.

no new pics/descriptions
no statements/conferences/family coming forward
no reward posted (that I have heard about)
I don't know anymore about Liana then I knew the first day.

[linnafay]

The silence from Alberta is deafening.

no new pics/descriptions
no statements/conferences/family coming forward
no reward posted (that I have heard about)
I don't know anymore about Liana then I knew the first day.


Unfortunately..it appears that Edmonton is more concerned with the Grand Prix :doh:

[spygirl]

I doubt I would kick my shoes off or drop anything if I had a gun to my head.I doubt I would kick off my shoes either, let alone think about them. If I were to think about them, it would be to leave them on in case I had the opportunity for a quick getaway on foot.

Which could be exactly the perp's line of thinking, if this is why her shoes were left behind.

It's awfully difficult to run over gravel, broken glass, uneven terrain, etc., without shoes.

[Jess]

These are my notes from the Global news report.( at 6pm)

Search and Rescue are out searching (shown at 167th and 142th)
They were using at least one dog.
Looks like they were also using a helicopter.
Forensic team was in the house most of the day. When the news team stepped on the property they were asked to get off of it-- it was being treated as a crime scene which is normal procedure so they were told.
Search teams will be out at 8am tomorrow.
Forensic team will likely be at the house for several more days.

[Jess]

Searchers start hunt for missing Edmonton woman

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121559286310_55/?hub=TopStories

[Casshew]

So I guess they are not taking the hubby's word for it that Liana left for work at 6:15am. :waitasec:

[linnafay]

So I guess they are not taking the hubby's word for it that Liana left for work at 6:15am. :waitasec:


I do wonder if possibly she was "meeting" someone at that parking lot. It is possible that the other person's vehicle looks like hers...but....I must say the longer she is missing, the more suspicious he looks.

I hate that..all the L's get killed!!

[Casshew]

I hate that..all the L's get killed!! Phew... I'm a C!

Well the police will scour her cell phone/home and work records calls in and out - if there is a man around he will come to light.

I would be curious about her last Dr's appointment.... do we really know she's pregnant? or is this something he is saying?

This could be a runaway bride situation, but the fact that she has a toddler makes me think not. I hope they get a lead soon.

[spygirl]

I hate that..all the L's get killed!!Thanks there Linnafay.... I'm an "L" for Laura.

:slap:

[linnafay]

Thanks there Linnafay.... I'm an "L" for Laura.

:slap:


dont get pregnant!! :crazy:

[spygirl]

I hope they get a lead soon.I hope so too, Cass. And I hope for the sake of any tracking dog's results, her scent isn't washed away by all the rain.

BTW: Thanks for the invite!

[spygirl]

dont get pregnant!! :crazy:No.... I don't think I will.

[spygirl]

Since she's a clerk at the hospital, I guess the work of a disgruntled patient can be ruled out.

[newtv]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121559286310_55/?hub=TopStories

just in but you may already have it-sorry if its redundant

[Txmom]

In the first article, it states that the door was wide open. I would be interested in knowing if the inside of the suv was dry or damp. And I would also like to know where the drivers seat was positoned.

Here in Texas if I leave a window open in the car, sometimes in the morning the car is damp on the inside and I even have to use the defrost on the windshield, the dew has "fallen" as we say here. Would it be possible to have something like this happen in Edmonton? I guess what I am trying to say is--if the dew falls there, and the suv is damp on the inside, then we know that the suv was there much earlier that 5:50 am.

Also, about the drivers seat--my daughter is 5'2", and I am 5'8". I know who drove the car last when I go to get in. How tall is her husband do we know?

[lostfaith]

In the first article, it states that the door was wide open. I would be interested in knowing if the inside of the suv was dry or damp. And I would also like to know where the drivers seat was positoned.

Here in Texas if I leave a window open in the car, sometimes in the morning the car is damp on the inside and I even have to use the defrost on the windshield, the dew has "fallen" as we say here. Would it be possible to have something like this happen in Edmonton? I guess what I am trying to say is--if the dew falls there, and the suv is damp on the inside, then we know that the suv was there much earlier that 5:50 am.

Also, about the drivers seat--my daughter is 5'2", and I am 5'8". I know who drove the car last when I go to get in. How tall is her husband do we know?

Good point about the dew! That happens in my state too, although not everyday.

[adnoid]

Thanks there Linnafay.... I'm an "L" for Laura...

So is Mrs. Adnoid!

[montana_16]

I have a question for hospital workers. What is a hopital clerk? I'm asking that to know why they wear scrubs. Do they always wear them to work? Thanks.

Also
,I prevail upon all. Please always lock your doors and windows of your house and car day and night. Always check your entire interior before getting in your vehicle.

I don't care where you live or how safe it usually is. I live in a well patrolled,largely wealthy area,(heaven knows I'm not) lol but I lock my door even when I go check my mail.

I've taught all my kids that also. They are all grown but still remember my warnings. I'm not paranoid or live in fear but better safe than sorry.
I have been reading true crime for about 25 years and know of many instances where serial killers and such have gotten in through unlocked windows or doors in supposedly safe or rural cities or towns.

Also my opinion is, if someone has a weapon on you and tries to take you, Don't let them! Make them have to do whatever right there in public. Otherwise you have no control at all and are at their mercy, helpless. I'm talking here from an incident that happened to me. I could tell you the story but I've been going on quite a bit already. In my case I refused to go with a car of several men with a gun and they left. I could have been shot, but that was better than what could have happened to me at their hands.

One more thing I taught my kids. Never, ever let someone tie you up if you can fight it. Again, then you are hopelessly at their mercy.

I'm sorry being off topic and I realize most of you know all this already , but I did notice some folks mentioning not keeping things locked and even an officer telling people in Edmonton they have no worries as it's a safe area. I feel that's not good advice, people should keep aware wherever they are and you can't tell what stranger you can trust by their looks as Ted Bundy and others have shown.

I'm no scaredy- cat but just like to keep aware and not take familiar surroundings for granted.

I hope I haven't come off as insulting or some know it all windbag. Just trying to share some of my things I learned.

Montana

[lauriej]

Unfortunately..it appears that Edmonton is more concerned with the Grand Prix :doh:
yep.........and the fact that willie nelson is in town........i saw more news clips of him tonite than lianna.....

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Originally Posted by linnafay

I hate that..all the L's get killed!!

Phew... I'm a C!

Well the police will scour her cell phone/home and work records calls in and out - if there is a man around he will come to light.

.........or a woman......a la' amber frey...

...and cass, you're very right.my friends and i were talking about this just this evening..........what DO we know about lianna? she's brunette...pregnant...and missing.....where ARE THE DETAILS? the media is nissing out on a HUGE aspect of the the story....

[mom-a-licious]

[QUOTE=montana_16]I have a question for hospital workers. What is a hopital clerk? I'm asking that to know why they wear scrubs. Do they always wear them to work? Thanks.



Usually "clerk" refers to a "ward clerk", which loosely translated is somewhat of a secretary who works right there with the nurses and MD's in a particular unit in the hosp, assisting with all the organization of patient info and charts, and tons of other paperwork regarding all aspects of a patient's care. There isn't anything done in a hospital that doesn't involve at least one piece of paperwork and/or computer work. Nurses do a ton of paperwork when it comes to charting of their patient care, but most of the other paperwork and general organization of unit operation is handled by the clerk. A shift without a ward clerk, on a busy unit, would not be a pleasant shift.

In the hospitals I've worked at, the clerks always wore clothing similar to that of the other staff involved in patient care, so scrubs would be pretty normal for Liana to wear to work.

[fourboys]

Second search of missing Alberta Women's home

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050716.walbert0714/BNStory/National/

[Casshew]

Second search of missing Alberta Women's home

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050716.walbert0714/BNStory/National/
From that article

Edmonton — A forensics team spent Saturday combing the house of a pregnant woman who vanished last week, but investigators say the search is standard procedure. Police have been looking for Liana White, 29, since her abandoned SUV was found Tuesday near her home with her keys inside.

Officers said they conducted a cursory search of White's home on Tuesday, but returned Saturday for a more thorough examination that might lead to clues on her whereabouts.

“Investigators want to emphasize that this is standard procedure and in fact, it is logical that they would return to the last spot where Liana was seen,” Edmonton police said in a media release on Saturday.


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Okay, if Mr. White is innocent - these searches really have to P*** him off - I know I would be fuming - standard proceedure or not - if I had nothing to do with my loved ones disappearance and the Police were now on their second search.


and still - no reward offered for info, no more details on Liana, no more pleas - something rotten in demark IMO

[linnafay]

[QUOTE=montana_16]I have a question for hospital workers. What is a hopital clerk? I'm asking that to know why they wear scrubs. Do they always wear them to work? Thanks.



Usually "clerk" refers to a "ward clerk", which loosely translated is somewhat of a secretary who works right there with the nurses and MD's in a particular unit in the hosp, assisting with all the organization of patient info and charts, and tons of other paperwork regarding all aspects of a patient's care. There isn't anything done in a hospital that doesn't involve at least one piece of paperwork and/or computer work. Nurses do a ton of paperwork when it comes to charting of their patient care, but most of the other paperwork and general organization of unit operation is handled by the clerk. A shift without a ward clerk, on a busy unit, would not be a pleasant shift.

In the hospitals I've worked at, the clerks always wore clothing similar to that of the other staff involved in patient care, so scrubs would be pretty normal for Liana to wear to work.


I work in a hospital. It is recommended that clerks wear scrubs. They cannot force clerks to wear them as they (the hospital) will not pay for them, but they prefer it as then everyone looks the same. Scrubs are cheap and comfortable so most clerks will wear them.

[linnafay]

From that article

Edmonton — A forensics team spent Saturday combing the house of a pregnant woman who vanished last week, but investigators say the search is standard procedure. Police have been looking for Liana White, 29, since her abandoned SUV was found Tuesday near her home with her keys inside.

Officers said they conducted a cursory search of White's home on Tuesday, but returned Saturday for a more thorough examination that might lead to clues on her whereabouts.

“Investigators want to emphasize that this is standard procedure and in fact, it is logical that they would return to the last spot where Liana was seen,” Edmonton police said in a media release on Saturday.


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Okay, if Mr. White is innocent - these searches really have to P*** him off - I know I would be fuming - standard proceedure or not - if I had nothing to do with my loved ones disappearance and the Police were now on their second search.


and still - no reward offered for info, no more details on Liana, no more pleas - something rotten in demark IMO



I dont know about his family situation, but considering he is ex military and now a mechanic and she is a clerk...I dont think they are rolling in dough. Maybe just maybe his family and her family are financially strapped and cannot afford to put up a reward. I guess if someone came to offer them a reward to put up then maybe there will be one. Its not like the states where big groups like the carol sund foundation come up with large rewards. I doubt the police would give money for information. They would tell you to call burn a buddy (crimestoppers) and be eligible for $1,000.00!!

I know if I went missing, my hubby would not have much to put up as a reward...maybe free computer tech support for life LOL.

[Casshew]

Its not like the states where big groups like the carol sund foundation come up with large rewards. I doubt the police would give money for information. They would tell you to call burn a buddy (crimestoppers) and be eligible for $1,000.00!!
Linnafay, thats the whole point about bonding and connection - that I was trying to make before... if the family was on the news talking about Liana, pleaing for her - local businesses would start offering $, and members of the community. They need to reach out though, get Liana's story to the public.. still I have only seen the one shot of her - you think they would put a pic up that shows her body so people know who they are watching for.

[linnafay]

Linnafay, thats the wholpoint about bonding and connection - that Iwas trying to make before... if the family was on the news talking about Liana, pleaing for her - local businesses would start offering $, and members of the community. They need to reach out though.


your right. The only thing I can think of is that maybe they do not come from "good" families? Maybe she is not close to her family? Or..maybe they want to talk to the tv but the tv isnt interested in putting them on?

Who knows..but I agree..it is weird.

We have only lived here in Cold Lake three years, but I am certain if anything happened to any of us, there would be a large group of people rallying around the return. Personally, I cannot believe the military has not organized something. Even though he is ex military, there is usually such a "family" feel that they would normally be helping out. I know we have had a few tragedies here with deaths and the military has been there to help out. The one pilot who died two years ago, his parents house burned down recently, and the airforce set up a fundraiser to help them out. They lost everything, including all their pictures and the squadron presented them with a framed picture of their son. I cannot say for sure that the army is the same, but I think it would be.

[Casshew]

We have only lived here in Cold Lake three years, but I am certain if anything happened to any of us, there would be a large group of people rallying around the return. Personally, I cannot believe the military has not organized something. Even though he is ex military, there is usually such a "family" feel that they would normally be helping out.
Good point! I don't think we are reading more into this because of our experience with other cases... and even the reward thing... you don't have to have the cash right there, you pledge to pay X amount of dollars...

We pledged 1000.00 for the reward for Cecilia Zhang information (local girl who went missing) we filled out the pledge form that was mailed to us, but didn't have to send the $$.

[Jess]

From what I have heard and read the media is very interested in talking with them. Only problem is, no one is talking. On the missing posters, there is a body shot of Liana. If you watch any video, you have to be quick to see it.

[Casshew]

On the missing posters, there is a body shot of Liana.
Well that is good news... ignore my last posts on that topic, if this is the case... good move for LE & the family

[Jess]

http:/edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/17/1135340_sun.html

Many Join in Search

[linnafay]

I will be in Edmonton tomorrow until Wednesday. I am sure we will take a look see while we are there. Maybe we can join in the search?

[spygirl]

So is Mrs. Adnoid!I guess her and I had both better run for the hills, since both of our hunny's are Scorpios!

:crazy:

[spygirl]

yep.........and the fact that willie nelson is in town........i saw more news clips of him tonite than lianna.....Willie Nelson?? Good Lord. :doh:

Too bad Fox can't offer Greta's services over there. A few shock jocks with bullhorns would be sure to follow.

[sandraladeda]

I will be in Edmonton tomorrow until Wednesday. I am sure we will take a look see while we are there. Maybe we can join in the search?I was thinking the same thing. I'll likely be in Edmonton Tuesday or Wednesday - wonder if they are organizing anything?

Cass, you are so right, it is quite wierd there is so little new information, and so little media coverage. This is uncharacteristic of Edmonton. I remember when Sheila Salter went missing, maybe 10 years ago, and we were rivited to the news, and the coverage was pretty heavy. Of course, there was blood evidence at the scene of her abduction, so clearly, a crime had been committed.

I am wondering if the police know more, or suspect more than they are telling us. For example, if they have reason to suspect she has mental health issues or issues related to her pregnancy, I don't think they could comment publicly on her private medical matters. In the meantime, until they are sure, they have to follow standard procedure and that includes searching the home.

As far as no family, perhaps they simply don't have much family?

[sandraladeda]

Search of home may take days
Husband 'absolutely' OK with decision as police seek 'anything that will lead us to Liana White'
Michelle ThompsonThe Edmonton Journal

July 17, 2005


EDMONTON -- Police launched an intensive search of Liana White's house Saturday for clues while volunteers scoured woods nearby for the missing expectant mother.
The house on Warwick Crescent in the Castle Downs area of the city is home to White, 29, her husband Michael and their two-year-old daughter Ashley. Officials initially did what they termed a "cursory" check of the house on July 12, the day Liana's abandoned SUV was found in a parking lot near her home.

They're hopeful a second, more thorough search, which may take several days, will provide some answers.

"We're trying to find any clues that will lead us to where she might be," said Sgt. Guy Kinney. "We're looking for anything that will lead us to Liana White.

"We're being as thorough as we can possibly be."

Kinney said White's husband is "absolutely" OK with the search by the Forensic Identification Services Section of the city force. The step shouldn't be considered unusual, he added, since the home was the last place White was seen.


link to the article:

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=ce58302e-b5a4-449f-bbfe-c9d99a8a6a61

[linnafay]

That the husband is ok with the forensic unit being there is a good sign. It would either indicate he did not kill her....or.....he did not kill her at home :doh:

[montana_16]

[QUOTE=montana_16]I have a question for hospital workers. What is a hopital clerk? I'm asking that to know why they wear scrubs. Do they always wear them to work? Thanks.



Usually "clerk" refers to a "ward clerk", which loosely translated is somewhat of a secretary who works right there with the nurses and MD's in a particular unit in the hosp, assisting with all the organization of patient info and charts, and tons of other paperwork regarding all aspects of a patient's care. There isn't anything done in a hospital that doesn't involve at least one piece of paperwork and/or computer work. Nurses do a ton of paperwork when it comes to charting of their patient care, but most of the other paperwork and general organization of unit operation is handled by the clerk. A shift without a ward clerk, on a busy unit, would not be a pleasant shift.

In the hospitals I've worked at, the clerks always wore clothing similar to that of the other staff involved in patient care, so scrubs would be pretty normal for Liana to wear to work.

Thank you very much for the information mom-a-licious.
Here we go with another sad, sad story. Also, thank you all medical workers for your hard work and dedication.

[keac]

Yes Cass & Jess Please keep us updated!

Karen

[karmarama]

Good evening everyone!


Ok, I went and took a lot of pictures of the area today, I will put them in an album right away and share the link.

Back in a bit.


Karma.

[lex]

Check out this thread on the missing forum that fourboys started... pregnant woman, very disturbing & a big mystery

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26220


hi cass! hope they find her.

the husband says he last saw her at 6:15 as she left for work and 'Darryl MacMillan, who was walking to the bus stop on 157th Avenue early Tuesday, said he saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.' .......well it doesn't take 'meringue' to figure it out. if these statements are accurate, i'd say the husband is looking awfully suspicious.

[lex]

ok, the husband is sticking to his timeline. just read most of the other thread and this from an article posted by newtv. (thanks news!)

'On Friday, the police re-interviewed Michael. He had said she left for work at 6:15 a.m. local time on Tuesday, but other witnesses put her vehicle in the park's parking lot at least 20 minutes earlier.'

there are 3 scenarios i can come up with...

1. she ran off with another guy
2. she met foul play on the way to work
3. hubby bumped her off

[newtv]

Good evening everyone!


Ok, I went and took a lot of pictures of the area today, I will put them in an album right away and share the link.

Back in a bit.


Karma.
great and thanks about the pics

[newtv]

I agree that the more cooperative the husband is the better for everyone..the faster he can be ruled in or out, etc.

I dont know why there is not more happening as usually the smaller the area the more the friends gather.
I do not agree that they would be strapped for money based on hteir jobs-this is canada and clerks are paid very well-she has been at her job for awhile and they seem to have a nice house..a ford explorer isnt chopped liver either even if an older one.

Mechanics are like doctors and just as expensive except we have to pay them whereas we have health care for doctors..the military provide very good training and education so he is pply a very well trained mechanic at that.

A mechanic makes good money-that is just the way it is..(not saying so if u dont have training but if u do and u work for a shop there is no reason to be poor).

Now that said they could have financial problems no matter what the income level.
I also think its unfair to say they could be from bad families-there is no reason to assume such things-I cant even begin to grasp the relationship between accessing the media and coming from a bad family anyhow-or if not accessing the media maybe its because they are from a bad family..It could be that they are looking for her and he was on camera the first day or so and he was crying in a way i htot was over done..(but i may be wrong)..

I also think people are jaded to some extent because of so many husbands killing their wives that it may feel like noone wants to take it seriously yet..(I mean n terms of a search for her-a reward, etc).

I cant say I blame people either.
The other thing is the run-away-bride scenario. I hunch some people think she left with the "real" father of her baby..which I think is nutty since she would not leave her child behind imo.
Mothers leave husbands, they rarely leave children.

The thing is most people do not leave without a trace and something is very very weird here..I suppose she could have met up with a sex offender..but I do not know the stats on taking pregnant women as victims.

It is possible the family are not media smart yet-and that they are not really out of denial to the extent that they plead for help.

It could be summer-people enjoying themselves and not really being ready to take this seriously due to the predictable outcome= she left him or he killed her. (vs. being held somewhere-or lost).

[newtv]

there was a woman who posted earlier about our safety concerns etc- thanku I thot that was very caring. You are right, one should check the backseat of a car before unlocking the doors to get in. You are right about all the things u said as well.

[WindChime]

I'm going to close this thread and start a part 2. :-)