Lianna White/Edmonton,AB

[fourboys]

ID, shoes found near missing woman's vehicle

Last updated Jul 13 2005
CBC News

Police are investigating the mysterious disappearance of a 29-year-old pregnant woman whose SUV was found abandoned early Tuesday morning a short distance from her home.

Liana White's brown Ford Explorer was found in the parking lot of a playing field behind the Castledowns YMCA – about two kilometres from her home – with the keys and her purse inside and the door wide open.

Police say her wallet, some identification and a pair of shoes were found near the SUV. More identification and her cell phone were found in an area northwest of the parking lot.

"Whether or not somebody helped themselves to her purse, we're not sure," acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski said. "If it was a robbery or part of an abduction, we're not too sure yet.

"So we've located those [items] and we are going to be checking them for evidence."

The YMCA is along White's regular route to work.

White, who is four months pregnant, was last seen by her husband at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work as a clerk in the neo-natal unit of the Royal Alexandra Hospital. She was likely wearing surgical scrubs.

Colleagues have told police it isn't like White, who has a young daughter, to not show up for work.

"It's very uncharacteristic of this lady to not show up at work," Ewatski said. "She hasn't called anybody, so that's why we're treating this as very suspicious."

Police say they first received a call about the abandoned SUV at 7:27 a.m.

But Marie Olah says she first called police after seeing the vehicle in the parking lot on her way to the gym, before 6 a.m. – before White is said to have left for work.

Other media reports quote a second person who says he also saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

Olah says police didn't take her first call seriously and didn't ask for the licence plate number. She made her second call after passing by the vehicle again and noticing the keys and purse were still inside.

The 7:27 a.m. call that brought officers to the scene was made by someone else.

Police officers have been searching the area and canvassing neighbours. Posters were also handed out to drivers heading home from work along the route White took, in case they saw something Tuesday morning.

"Human beings are very different people and we have no idea what's behind all this, so we're hoping for the best," Ewatski said. "And we're hoping someone will see her or she'll contact us."

Photo:
http://edmonton.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ed-missing-white20050713

[fourboys]

'This is scary'
Woman's vehicle found abandoned, personal items strewn on ground

By AJAY BHARDWAJ AND MAX MAUDIE,
EDMONTON SUN
Wed, July 13, 2005

Police, family and neighbours fear the worst after a 29-year-old pregnant woman vanished on her way to work yesterday morning.

"This is scary," said acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski, referring to the disappearance of Liana White. "We all think about Punky Gustavson. These things are out of the ordinary.

Cops received a call about 7:30 a.m. yesterday after someone reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked in a parking lot next to a soccer field at 157 Avenue and 116 Street.

Police found White's brown Ford Explorer with a door wide open and keys inside, but not in the ignition.

White was wearing green medical scrubs when she left for work at her downtown job in the health field. Police were told she was scheduled to start work at 7 a.m.

Cops said White's home is a five-minute drive northwest of where her truck was found.

"(Her husband) and her family are very distraught," said Ewatski. "They are beside themselves and we are trying to comfort them and glean some more information from them as well."

Last night police said they were dealing with scores of tips after the media blitz that followed White's disappearance.

White's purse was outside the truck and her wallet was missing. Her credit cards, health-care card and other ID were strewn on the ground west of the Explorer. A pair of her shoes were found next to the vehicle.

"We've done all the required checks we've had to do in regards to ambulance, hospital, we've checked our cellblock," Ewatski said. "Nobody has seen this lady."

"She has not shown up at work. It's very uncharacteristic of her to do this."

A dog unit and Air 1, the police helicopter, were called to the scene. Later in the day volunteers with the community police radio network handed out posters with pictures of White and her truck.

Police also called out members of the homicide unit, robbery section and northside criminal investigation section. Cops said their expertise is crucial in this situation.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

White is five-foot-four, 190 pounds and is four months pregnant.

Police were keeping people away from the family's house yesterday until investigators had finished inside. A forensics unit was outside the house yesterday evening.

It's standard practice to search a missing person's house, police said, as well as interview family and friends.

The case is eerily similar to one that occurred in Edmonton a decade ago.

Det. Wil Tonowski of the EPS high-risk offender unit was last night accessing the national sex-offender registry. It's the first time police in Alberta have accessed the seven-month-old database for an active investigation, Tonowski said.

Tonowski said he couldn't get into the specifics of the investigation, but said there were grounds to access the database. He stressed "there's nothing specific that points to any sex assault at this point."

Sheila Salter, 42, was abducted in her own truck from an Edmonton parkade near her business on Dec. 7, 1995. Her body was found 10 days later in an abandoned farmhouse.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/13/1129134-sun.html

[fourboys]

Search on for missing pregnant Edmonton mom

CTV.ca News Staff
Wed. Jul. 13 2005

Police in Edmonton are appealing to the public for help as they probe the mysterious disappearance of a young, pregnant mother.

Liana White, 29, who is four months pregnant with her second child, was reported missing Tuesday after she failed to show up for work at a downtown hospital and her co-workers grew worried.

While's SUV was found Tuesday morning abandoned about 10 blocks from the home she shares with her husband and their daughter. The driver's door was open and White's purse and keys were in the ignition.

Edmonton police spokeswoman Lisa Lammi says investigators are doing a door-to-door canvas of her neighbourhood and asking anyone with any information to come forward. They have also called in homicide detectives.

White's husband said his wife left the house in her green medical scrubs at 6:15 a.m Tuesday. But a jogger who reported the abandoned vehicle says she saw it earlier than that.

Lammi says police are talking to that witness as part of the investigation, but she can't release any details. Police said they have head scores of other tips as well.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121278830584_116688030/?hub=Canada

[fourboys]

Disappearance of pregnant mother of toddler shocks quiet, suburban neighbourhood

Karen Kleiss and Florence Loyie, with files from RenataD'Aliesio
The Edmonton Journal
Wednesday, July 13, 2005

EDMONTON - The young, expectant mother at the centre of a massive north-side police search is known as a quiet, friendly woman who always wears a bright smile.

Neighbours on the winding suburban crescent in Dunluce where 29-year-old Liana White and her husband Mike have lived for four years are in shock.

White is four months pregnant with the couple's second child; their first, a girl, is just a toddler.

"She was just here last night with little Ashley, because the little girl wanted to pat my dog, Ginger," neighbour Barb Jama said, tears swelling in her eyes.

"This is so scary. It is hard to even imagine what happened. For her to disappear like this is just so out of character."

Police are treating White's disappearance as suspicious because she has never gone missing before and never failed to show up for work without calling.

"It's very uncharacteristic of her," said acting duty officer Jamie Ewatski.

The couple lives on the kind of street that shuts down for summer block parties, a place where neighbours chat at the end of the driveway -- the perfect place to raise a family.

White was last seen by her husband at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, where she works as a clerk in the neo-natal intensive care unit.

At 7:27 a.m., police received a report of an abandoned SUV in the parking lot between two baseball diamonds near 116th Street and 157th Avenue, a short drive from the White home.

The driver's door of the 1991 Ford Explorer was wide open and White's purse and keys were inside.

Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot.

Other personal items were found in the northwest corner of the ballpark. Her cellphone was found in the grass 15 metres away.

There were no signs of struggle, no drag marks and no blood.

Darryl MacMillan, who was walking to the bus stop on 157th Avenue early Tuesday, said he saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

"I thought it was someone out walking their dogs," he said.

A second citizen reported a suspicious vehicle parked at the ball diamond, which police later seized and took in for forensic identification processing.

Homicide, robbery, traffic and forensic units were brought in to help with the search.

Plainclothes surveillance units were taken off regular duty to canvass the neighbourhood.

Canine units searched the park area and the police helicopter Air One flew overhead.

Civilian volunteers flagged down rush-hour traffic and handed out flyers with the young mother's photo, and civilian search-and-rescue teams combed the area.

Ewatski said White's husband Mike was "very distraught" when he learned of his wife's disappearance.

On Tuesday night, the ex-military man and heavy duty mechanic was with police.

Investigators checked with family, local hospitals and emergency medical services, to no avail.

White is described as five feet four and weighing about 190 pounds. She has a fair complexion, brown eyes and brown hair that falls midway down her back. She is likely wearing medical scrubs.

Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to call police at
423-4567.

http://www.canada.com/fortstjohn/story.html?id=3e63a309-2e86-4df6-acca-9b05ddef214c

[Sam]

So who is lying or just mistaken, the husband or Darryl MacMillan?
The husband claims she left at 6:15 that morning.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

Hmmmmm.

[Jenn]

So who is lying or just mistaken, the husband or Darryl MacMillan?
The husband claims she left at 6:15 that morning.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

Hmmmmm.
I had the same thought! Something is not right. This is not looking good for her. :(

[Casshew]

Hmmm indeed... but the time descrepency could be innocent - either the husband thought it was later than it really was when she left - or the neighbour had the time wrong at 5:50am

A big mystery here... and why were her things so scattered? cell phone 15 metres away like it was flung? :waitasec:

[KrazyKollector]

So who is lying or just mistaken, the husband or Darryl MacMillan?
The husband claims she left at 6:15 that morning.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

Hmmmmm.Another person also saw the vehicle before 6 a.m. They called police at that time.

I hope I am wrong but the details keep screaming "staged" to me. Things scattered around but no blood, drag marks or signs of a struggle? Just sounds strange.

It sure doesn't sound too good for her though. :( :( :(

[Casshew]

Check out this thread on the missing forum that fourboys started... pregnant woman, very disturbing & a big mystery

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26220

[Jess]

The LE are having a press conference this afternoon about this case. Last I heard they were looking on the outskirts of Edmonton. Yikes !! I live on the outskirts. I saw the video of the husband to see if his eyes looked down to the left and they did !! We've all become so suspicious because of the Scott Peterson case. At least he didn't use the word amazing when he described her.As soon as I hear anything I'll post, but I'll be out when the evening news is on.

[Casshew]

Thanks Jess... keep us posted!

[mysteriew]

Two witnesses say the vehicle was there an hour before police took notice, and before the husband says she left home. Personal items (IDs and etc) strewn around (maybe like breadcrumbs? marking a trail) I hope they are looking at the hubby closely, and I think they will find her body in those woods.

[lostfaith]

Hmmm indeed... but the time descrepency could be innocent - either the husband thought it was later than it really was when she left - or the neighbour had the time wrong at 5:50am

A big mystery here... and why were her things so scattered? cell phone 15 metres away like it was flung? :waitasec:

You know, I hate to put to much into the time thing, just because in my household, every clock is different. my oldest sets the microwave clock at what his school clock is at, my husband sets his alarm clock for his work time clock. My car is set 10 min. fast so that if I am out bumming before I have to go to work, I am never late. Every clock in our house is different. I do not know if our family is just a little wierd, or if other people do this too?

[lostfaith]

Another person also saw the vehicle before 6 a.m. They called police at that time.

I hope I am wrong but the details keep screaming "staged" to me. Things scattered around but no blood, drag marks or signs of a struggle? Just sounds strange.

It sure doesn't sound too good for her though. :( :( :(

I know. The first thing I thought when I saw her picture was "Jennifer Wilbanks" run away bride. I feel really bad for thinking that, but I guess I hope I am right. It has happened recently before, with that other supposedly pregnant woman, who turned out not to be pregnant.

[WordsofWisdom]

Police say they first received a call about the abandoned SUV at 7:27 a.m.

But Marie Olah says she first called police after seeing the vehicle in the parking lot on her way to the gym, before 6 a.m. – before White is said to have left for work.

Other media reports quote a second person who says he also saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

Olah says police didn't take her first call seriously and didn't ask for the licence plate number. She made her second call after passing by the vehicle again and noticing the keys and purse were still inside.

The 7:27 a.m. call that brought officers to the scene was made by someone else.

uh-oh.... seems like someone goofed up in a major way.

Liana White:

http://calgary.cbc.ca/indepth/images/ab_white_lianna.jpg

[WordsofWisdom]

You know, I hate to put to much into the time thing, just because in my household, every clock is different.

Yeah but that is a HUGE discrepancy! HUGE.
From the time the first call reporting it to the time he said she left.

[Mabel]

It also seems kind of strange to me that she would leave for work at 6:15 when work is only 5 minutes away and she doesn't start until 7.

*thanks for the invite, Cass*

[mom-a-licious]

It isn't at all unusual for someone who works in a hospital unit to get to work at least half an hour before the shift starts (in this case, 7am shift). Nurses and clerks need to be there during the "shift change". This is a crucial time when those leaving their shift pass on all the important info to the oncoming shift. You can't just get there at 7 or even just 10 minutes before your shift starts; there has to be a transition period between the two shifts.

[lostfaith]

It isn't at all unusual for someone who works in a hospital unit to get to work at least half an hour before the shift starts (in this case, 7am shift). Nurses and clerks need to be there during the "shift change". This is a crucial time when those leaving their shift pass on all the important info to the oncoming shift. You can't just get there at 7 or even just 10 minutes before your shift starts; there has to be a transition period between the two shifts.

that sounds reasonable to me!

[fourboys]

Man appeals for return of missing pregnant wife

CTV.ca News Staff
Updated Wed. Jul. 13 2005

A man whose pregnant wife disappeared while on her way to work sobbed and broke down in tears Wednesday as he pleaded for her return.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Her disappearance has prompted an intense search by police and civilian volunteers in the couple's suburban Edmonton neighbourhood.

"My wife is a good person, never hurts anybody, never would. She would never hurt a fly. She is a gentle person," Michael White told CTV News.

"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."

Police made an appeal of their own Wednesday, asking for the public's help in their search.

White, who is four months pregnant with her second child, was last seen by her husband at 6:15 a.m. when she left in her green medical scrubs for a downtown hospital where she works.

Police say the driver's door of her 1991 brown Ford Explorer was found open and her purse and keys were inside.

White's wallet was missing, her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot and her cellphone was found in the grass 15 metres away.

There were no signs of a struggle.

Detectives were checking numerous tips and continued to canvass neighbourhoods.

"We are asking everybody and anybody if they saw anything unusual," said police spokeswoman Lisa Lammi.

"Don't discount anything you think is unusual or irregular."

Police say White has never disappeared before and never failed to show up for work without calling.

Homicide, robbery, traffic and forensic investigators were brought in to help.

Civilian volunteers flagged down rush-hour traffic Tuesday and handed out flyers with the missing woman's photo. Police searched the family's house and seized the vehicle for forensic analysis.

Neighbours on the crescent where the couple have lived for four years are in shock.

White is known as a quiet, friendly woman. The couple's first child, a girl, is just a toddler.

Lammi said police wouldn't comment on a tip that White's abandoned vehicle was reported in the area before 6:15 a.m. -- the time her husband said White left for work.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121278830584_116688030?hub=topstories

[Casshew]

Lammi said police wouldn't comment on a tip that White's abandoned vehicle was reported in the area before 6:15 a.m. -- the time her husband said White left for work.
Hmmmm......

[FacTink]

Nopey nope nope.

Something is wrong with this picture. My daughter is an RN. Yes she has to go to work far earlier than the exact hour she has to clock in, they have to do rounds or whatever it is called when they update one another before taking over a shift.

My problems with this:
* 2 people saw the car earlier than husband reported, not 1 but TWO and they seemed sure of themselves
* Husband knows when that woman went to work, she went on a regular basis, thus his report YET the time seeing the vehicle disputed by two witnesses (was he hoping he could get away with the time, or is this for real? feels very strange to me)
* Would she have gone in earlier for some reason? Doubtful, it was morning, who purposely gets up earlier when you are already leaving 45 minutes early for a 5 mile trek and you don't have to report to work until 40 minutes after that.
* Why the heck would this girl pull off the road and into that place, seems she mighta got that this would have been a sign of danger and done anything to avoid it PLUS it appears this was not an abandoned place...we already know of 2 witnesses...did the husband not realize that there were walkers or whatever that hung out here at that time of morning?
* Was this girl known to go there and walk before work? If not...then why was she there? Because she responded to someone rough housing her on the road...she had a Ford Explorer - seems to me she could have handled that.

This sounds like a stage to me for some reason. What kinda quote is this, is it for real?

>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

It almost sounds like SP speak. Does it make sense to anyone?

FT

[sandraladeda]

It also seems kind of strange to me that she would leave for work at 6:15 when work is only 5 minutes away and she doesn't start until 7.

*thanks for the invite, Cass*Edmonton is my home town, and I am quite sure that, if she was living in Castle Downs, as I read in one article, it would take longer than 5 minutes to get to work. More like 20, I would guess.

Also, my hubby leaves for work very early. If I don't have to keep track of the time for my own schedule, I can be way off in my estimate of how early or late he has actually left the house. This doesn't mean much to me, on it's own.

I think it will be more telling how exactly the hubby acts over the coming days.

Oh I PRAY this is not another Laci Peterson kind of story....

[sandraladeda]

Nopey nope nope.

Something is wrong with this picture. My daughter is an RN. Yes she has to go to work far earlier than the exact hour she has to clock in, they have to do rounds or whatever it is called when they update one another before taking over a shift.

My problems with this:
* 2 people saw the car earlier than husband reported, not 1 but TWO and they seemed sure of themselves
* Husband knows when that woman went to work, she went on a regular basis, thus his report YET the time seeing the vehicle disputed by two witnesses (was he hoping he could get away with the time, or is this for real? feels very strange to me)
* Would she have gone in earlier for some reason? Doubtful, it was morning, who purposely gets up earlier when you are already leaving 45 minutes early for a 5 mile trek and you don't have to report to work until 40 minutes after that.
* Why the heck would this girl pull off the road and into that place, seems she mighta got that this would have been a sign of danger and done anything to avoid it.
* Was this girl known to go there and walk before work? If not...then why was she there? Because she responded to someone rough housing her on the road...she had a Ford Explorer - seems to me she could have handled that.

This sounds like a stage to me for some reason. What kinda quote is this, is it for real?

>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

It almost sounds like SP speak. Does it make sense to anyone?

FT"Scott-speak" included referring to Laci in the past tense. So far, this has not been the case...

[Casshew]

>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<


'just stay there' = don't you dare surface?

'I will find you' = I know where you are?

[FacTink]

The quote...

>>Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

Scott speak was not merely referring to Laci in the past tense. It was contorted...twisted tenses, pronouns, word usage and so on...

Look at the above...

"Who ever has her" should be followed by a beseech to bargain to return her or return her or whatever. The following...

"If she is out there and you see me" NO NO NO... That is tweaked text in my mind. This is this man's wife... "IF YOU ARE OUT THERE AND YOU SEE ME" (followed by something reasonable) or "If she is out there and you have her..." again followed by something reasonable.

I don't hear, "Honey...if you are out there and you see me now, I want you to know we are going to find and help you, don't lose hope, be careful, I love you."

Nopey nope nope, if that was a real quote...if feels really odd to me.

FT

[FacTink]

More thinking on this one..."If she is out there..."

Well...odd... "She" is home, or "she" is known to be at work (or somewhere in particular with an expected time of return home) OR she "IS OUT THERE" dead or in someone's hands.

The "distance" in the "if she is" troubles me for some reason. BUT AGAIN, is this really a quote from him?

FT

[Casshew]

In all fairness to the guy, he could just be rattled to the core and worried sick - not making sense, extremely stressed... I don't know if I would be able to string together a coherant sentence if my daughter/husband was missing.... so he may not be involved at all... just confused on the time she left and/or completely stressed out.

He would know Laci was found dead, he could be scared out of his wits

[sandraladeda]

FT, you may very well be right. But just as with the Laci "disappearance", I just can't yet face the possibility that a young pregnant woman might have died at the hand of the man she married. So until we know more, I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt - maybe he's just upset and confused. Who would be coherent after their pregnant wife has been missing for over a day?

imo

[sandraladeda]

In all fairness to the guy, he could just be rattled to the core and worried sick - not making sense, extremely stressed... I don't know if I would be able to string together a coherant sentence if my daughter/husband was missing.... so he may not be involved at all... just confused on the time she left and/or completely stressed out.

He would know Laci was found dead, he could be scared out of his witsGood point (:dance: I posted almost the same thing, lol), but just to add, remember how much people suspected the Runaway Bride's fiance? And it turned out he was not involved at all....

[Casshew]

Good point (:dance: I posted almost the same thing, lol), but just to add, remember how much people suspected the Runaway Bride's fiance? And it turned out he was not involved at all....
I went to a funeral on Sunday for one of our employees who died of cancer, I was so upset, felt so much stress being there, I couldn't speak to anyone - I couldn't talk for a long time after leaving the service...

Stress effects people in different ways.. he has a little toddler to worry about too. The time difference on the sighting of the vehicle is very suspicious... but we should cut the guy some slack.

I wonder if they can track her cell phone signal/towers- if she made a call, or recieved a call?

[FacTink]

Ladies, if it were me missing and my husband fritzed, God only knows what his response would be. Certainly whacked. When he returned home to find a note on the door that said, "By the time you get this, you might already be a father" - instead of heading to the hospital, he went around the back of our apartment, found a small bathroom window (he had no key), climbed in it with his tool bags on (spilling nails everywhere, as they were in his pouch), took a shower and then eventually arrived at the hospital. Strange...but I think I have done stranger when he has had a medical emergency and I was out of my mind, certainly not thinking straight.

Nope...I don't get it. And YES we all make completely imbecilic statements. So...yes, we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt...and just because Scott did what he did does NOT mean this guy did anything but love his wife.

I must say however, that the 5:55am and 6:00am witness accounts of the car, the way things were scattered, that she was not on the road but pulled off into that place, the weirdness of the statement attributed to the guy, well...for the moment my antennae are up.

Just how much traffic does the route she take have at 6:15am to however long it would have taken her to get to work in reality?

On the other hand, what do we know? Could she have left earlier to meet with the "real father" of her baby (is that at all possible, was there someone else involved?) and the guy took the opportunity to thwack her? And whats with the phone flying...she was trying to make a call for help, someone smacked her arm to stop her and it went flying?

Too many unanswered questions at the moment. Suffice to say I am very sad, I don't like the way this looks at the moment. Wouldn't it just be so nice if this "was" a runaway type of story, but she has a toddler? Visions of going and abducting her child later? Stranger things have happened...

Ho humm....

FT

[fourboys]

Husband appeals for wife's return

Last updated Jul 13 2005
CBC News

The husband of a pregnant woman who disappeared on her way to work made a televised plea for her safe return Wednesday.

"My wife is a good person, never hurts anybody, never would," Michael White said on CFRN. "She would never hurt a fly. She is a gentle person.

"If whoever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, just stay there and I will find you. I will find you."

In a media scrum later in the day, White thanked the police and media for helping publicize her disappearance.

"Liana, just hold on, hold tight," he said.

Liana White, who is four months pregnant, hasn't been seen since first thing Tuesday morning, when she left for work.

The 29-year-old's brown Ford Explorer was found abandoned in the parking lot of a playing field behind the Castledowns YMCA – about two kilometres from her home – with the keys inside and the door wide open.

Police say her purse, some identification and a pair of shoes were found near the SUV. More identification and her cellphone were found in an area northwest of the parking lot.

Homicide detectives are leading the investigation, but Det. Ernie Schreiber says they are treating it as a missing person's case.

"We're just being careful about how we investigate this," he said, adding Michael White is not considered a suspect.

Police, who have canvassed the area and given flyers to drivers who take the same route as White, are asking people to check their backyards for anything unusual.

Colleagues have told police it isn't like White, who has a young daughter, to not show up for work or to not call.

"It's very uncharacteristic of this lady to not show up at work," acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski said. "She hasn't called anybody, so that's why we're treating this as very suspicious."

White was last seen at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work as a clerk in the neo-natal unit of the Royal Alexandra Hospital. She was likely wearing surgical scrubs.

Police say they first received a call about the abandoned SUV at 7:27 a.m.

But Marie Olah says she first called police after seeing the vehicle in the parking lot on her way to the gym, before 6 a.m. – before White is said to have left for work.

Other media reports quote a second person who says he also saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

A police spokeswoman said they wouldn't comment on the apparent discrepancy.

"I do know that is being investigated," Lisa Lammi said.

http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-missing-husband20050713

[mysteriew]

Did she possibly wear one pair of shoes to work and carry her work shoes? The shoes being there is odd. I wish I knew if they were upright, or near together, or how they were situated. Nurses normally wear well fitted shoes, usually tied on or snug on the feet. So the shoes being there is very much out of the ordinary.

[sandraladeda]

I just watched the husband being interviewed on the local news (I'm in Calgary, about 3 hours south of Edmonton, so I get the news), and I have to say that his grief seemed pretty genuine. I could not help but compare him to a relatively unemotional SP in his early interviews, and this guy was sweating, breathing heavy, seemed very overwrought, and broke down in tears at the end.

I pray for the sake of their little girl that the father is cleared of any involvement. I cannot imagine this child losing both her parents. I pray to God that the mother is found, and that there is SOME kind of explanation.

[blueclouds]

This is in our neighbourhood. We live just outside of Edmonton. I was just chatting with hubby about this at supper time. Something is up.... you see him on TV and he looked like he really had to force tears out. He'd start to "cry" and it was only after a few "gulping" sentences that the tears flowed.

My husband said at first, but if he was at home in the morning how could he have done it???

I said simple, he did it in the middle of the night.... staged it all and came home.

His words were very strange in deed.

[sandraladeda]

This is in our neighbourhood. We live just outside of Edmonton. I was just chatting with hubby about this at supper time. Something is up.... you see him on TV and he looked like he really had to force tears out. He'd start to "cry" and it was only after a few "gulping" sentences that the tears flowed.

My husband said at first, but if he was at home in the morning how could he have done it???

I said simple, he did it in the middle of the night.... staged it all and came home.

His words were very strange in deed.Hi Blue, I thought this neighborhood was very close to you, I was wondering what your thoughts were.

It's interesting how we all see things so differently, 'cuz I just thought he seemed very overwrought. I ws watching for the usual body language of a liar, like rubbing his nose. I just didn't see it.

I admit, I am likely biased, because I SO want it to NOT be the husband. If something terrible has happened to Lianna, I'd hate for her toddler to lose her daddy as well.

Praying...

[browneyes]

Thanks for the head up!!

So sad!! :(

[heavenlydaze]

Quote from post #4:

"A second citizen reported a suspicious vehicle parked at the ball diamond, which police later seized and took in for forensic identification processing."

There were TWO vehicles? Maybe the SUV the jogger saw earlier wasn't Lianna's? Just wonderin'.

[Casshew]

Liana White:

http://calgary.cbc.ca/indepth/images/ab_white_lianna.jpg Gee she looks a lot like Runaway bride :eek: (prettier though and no freaky eyes)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0509051inside1.jpg

[FacTink]

Hello mysteriew,

The shoes are odd to me too. Many in our medical units here wear "clogs" of some sort these days (slip on/slip off) OR some type of sport shoe (an air-sole tennis shoe, tie on.) Here, our people are doing 12 hour shifts and if they are on their legs, you can bet these shoes are important.

So...it would be curious what type of shoes these were, in what position they were in and so on. I agree. I suppose that if I was having a battle with someone, I would be slinging thick soled shoes at them or up in the air hoping someone/anyone would see my plight.

And what is this second vehicle mentioned?

Dang it...where are the newspaper articles, I had hoped I wouldn't have to research these...I'm researching something else in my "real world" :)

FT

[tybee204]

She dosent look like a 5'4 190 lb woman on that picture. her face is very narrow. I wonder if that is an old picture?

[blueclouds]

Hi Blue, I thought this neighborhood was very close to you, I was wondering what your thoughts were.

It's interesting how we all see things so differently, 'cuz I just thought he seemed very overwrought. I ws watching for the usual body language of a liar, like rubbing his nose. I just didn't see it.

I admit, I am likely biased, because I SO want it to NOT be the husband. If something terrible has happened to Lianna, I'd hate for her toddler to lose her daddy as well.

Praying...

Maybe I'm just being biased because of all the "cases" we read here, there and everywhere. If I think about it, I thought "It's probably the husband" BEFORE I even saw him on TV. So to be fair, I'll watch the 11pm news and try to look with fresh eyes.

RE: the 190lbs.... I thought it was a regular picture but I wonder because she's pregnant, maybe she gains weight fast.

[Casshew]

This is her hubby
http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_michael_white_050713.jpg


This is her SUV found abandoned
http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_suv_050713.jpg

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/edjn/20050713/60162-19830.jpg

[nightowl]

It's interesting that the SUV was parked only a few blocks from the home and within walking distance from the home. It makes me think of Mark Hacking. Didn't he drive Lori's car to the park and walk back home? I agree that the reported evidence seems like staging.

[Casshew]

It makes me think of Mark Hacking.
He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

[otto]

He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

I think we should also keep in mind that there is a serial killer on the loose in Edmonton and there is always the possibility that this person has graduated from prostitutes to other types of victims. I seem to recall that one of the serial killer victims was not a prostitute. Also, the morning Liana went missing another girl was brutally raped and beaten in Banff, a 4-5 hour drive away. It just seems a little coincidental that something happened to two women in less than 24 hours when reports of things like this are so rare.

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

I saw the husband on the news and was a little confused when he said that if she sees the report to stay put, that someone will find her. Maybe he is really stressed and not making much sense. I thought the tears were genuine.

[lostfaith]

It's interesting that the SUV was parked only a few blocks from the home and within walking distance from the home. It makes me think of Mark Hacking. Didn't he drive Lori's car to the park and walk back home? I agree that the reported evidence seems like staging.

Funny you mention Mark Hacking, cuz when I saw this guy's picture, that who he reminded me of, and her, she reminds me of the run away bride. I have not yet seen him live on t.v. , so I can not comment on how genuine he is. Still with holding an opinion until more comes out.

[lostfaith]

He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

Sorry, didnt see your post. I agree, almost uncanny!

[lostfaith]

I think we should also keep in mind that there is a serial killer on the loose in Edmonton and there is always the possibility that this person has graduated from prostitutes to other types of victims. I seem to recall that one of the serial killer victims was not a prostitute. Also, the morning Liana went missing another girl was brutally raped and beaten in Banff, a 4-5 hour drive away. It just seems a little coincidental that something happened to two women in less than 24 hours when reports of things like this are so rare.

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

I saw the husband on the news and was a little confused when he said that if she sees the report to stay put, that someone will find her. Maybe he is really stressed and not making much sense. I thought the tears were genuine.


Or, maybe someone was hiding in her car? I always check that, but those SUV's are so big, it is hard to see in the back unless you climb in and hard to see thru the window cuz most of the time the back ones are tinted.

[otto]

Or, maybe someone was hiding in her car? I always check that, but those SUV's are so big, it is hard to see in the back unless you climb in and hard to see thru the window cuz most of the time the back ones are tinted.

Here's a link to the murders in Edmonton: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/edmonton_murders/

This guy gets around alot and seems to be pretty comfortable in rural areas and he's due to strike again.

[lisa0477]

Or, maybe someone was hiding in her car? I always check that, but those SUV's are so big, it is hard to see in the back unless you climb in and hard to see thru the window cuz most of the time the back ones are tinted.


Ever since reading the BTK murders, I do this also. I will sometimes keep the interior light on. I am a big chicken now. :chicken:

[lauriej]

This is in our neighbourhood. We live just outside of Edmonton. I was just chatting with hubby about this at supper time. Something is up.... you see him on TV and he looked like he really had to force tears out. He'd start to "cry" and it was only after a few "gulping" sentences that the tears flowed.

My husband said at first, but if he was at home in the morning how could he have done it???

I said simple, he did it in the middle of the night.... staged it all and came home.

His words were very strange in deed.
......i'm also south of edmonton..

...i saw him on the news, and ( yes, like a poster noted, i immediatly make the 'mark hacking connection ' in looks...)

...my initial impression of the guy was that he didn't look genuine at all.......almost like he trying too hard to LOOK grief stricken..it just didn't ring true to me...

...i also have a couple of freinds who work in hospitals.........they tell me that they leave their work shoes there in their locker.......of course i'm not saying that everyone does.........

....hope i'm wrong about the guy, but he gives off bad vibes...

[sandraladeda]

[QUOTE=otto]

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

QUOTE]
Funny you should mention this. I remember back at Christmas 1985 or 1986 maybe, in the San Diego area, a young lady went missing, and was eventually found murdered just off of a main freeway. Her family swore she was very safety conscious and could not fathom a reason she would stop her car and put herself at risk. I remember being very puzzled by this case. Eventually, a police officer was arrested for her murder. He had indicated to her to pull over at a deserted freeway exit, sort of a dead end exit, if I recall correctly. Who says no to a cop?

No, I'm not suggesting a cop pulled Lianna White over, but it is possible that she was given a reason to stop, possibly by someone she knew?

[lostfaith]

[QUOTE=otto]

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

QUOTE]
Funny you should mention this. I remember back at Christmas 1985 or 1986 maybe, in the San Diego area, a young lady went missing, and was eventually found murdered just off of a main freeway. Her family swore she was very safety conscious and could not fathom a reason she would stop her car and put herself at risk. I remember being very puzzled by this case. Eventually, a police officer was arrested for her murder. He had indicated to her to pull over at a deserted freeway exit, sort of a dead end exit, if I recall correctly. Who says no to a cop?

No, I'm not suggesting a cop pulled Lianna White over, but it is possible that she was given a reason to stop, possibly by someone she knew?

There was just in my area a situation where someone was pulling over young girls in our area. They were not police, but they had a red flashing light in their vehicle and a speaker. Thankfully the young girls both got suspisious (sp) and pulled away before the person approached the car. The "officer" never chased them. So there was a write up in the paper and the police were warning people telling them that ALL cop cars, even unmarked, has both Red AND blue lights. They also said that if you do not feel safe pulling over in a certain area that you should put on your flasher, slow down, and proceed to a well lit area with people around, then tell the officer you did not feel safe in the original area he tried to pull you over in. They will not ticket you.

[Casshew]

Here's a link to the murders in Edmonton: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/edmonton_murders/

This guy gets around alot and seems to be pretty comfortable in rural areas and he's due to strike again.
That's a lot of dead women.... :eek: the article states the police have nothing to link them to the same killer, why is their no DNA or other evidence?

[otto]

That's a lot of dead women.... :eek: the article states the police have nothing to link them to the same killer, why is their no DNA or other evidence?

I think a few of the victims were burned. Also, since the bodies were sometimes found weeks later in isolated rural areas, weather and decomposition destroyed pretty much all evidence.

[Casshew]

aother pic of hubby ~ visibly emotional
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/14/edmnews.jpg

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/mtgz/20050714/70523-23187.jpg

[fourboys]

Husband to missing wife
'hold tight': Pregnant mother of one:
Michael White says thank you for 'looking for Liana'

Florence Loyie
CanWest News Service
Thursday, July 14, 2005

EDMONTON - She is four months pregnant with a second child, a woman said to be quiet, friendly and always ready with a bright smile. And she has been missing -- without a trace -- for more than two days.

As an Edmonton police helicopter circled over her suburban neighbourhood yesterday, an emotional Mike White stepped from his home to thank those involved in the search for his missing wife, 29-year-old Liana White.

"Liana, hold tight," Mr. White said, fighting to maintain his composure as he stepped before television cameras.

Police are treating the disappearance as suspicious because she has never gone missing before and has never before failed to show up for work without calling.

Ms. White's first child, Ashley, is still just a toddler.

Neighbours on the winding suburban crescent where Ms. White and her husband have lived for four years are in shock.

"This is so scary. It is hard to even imagine what happened. For her to disappear like this is just so out of character," said neighbour Barb Jama, tears welling in her eyes.

As two homicide detectives looked on, Mr. White, an ex-military man and heavy duty mechanic, said he wanted to thank those involved in the massive search for his pregnant wife, who went missing on Tuesday morning about 10 blocks from her home.

"Thanks to everyone involved in looking. Thank you. Thanks for the media and their support and for making it known who she is. And to all the officers and detectives on the case, thank you. That is all I have to say at this time," Mr. White said before walking back to his home, his head down, his shoulders slumped.

Edmonton police Detective Brian Robertson placed his hand on Mr. White's shoulder to comfort him as they walked up the front steps.

Police have noted before how "very distraught" Mr. White was when he learned Ms. White's movements could not be accounted for.

The couple lives on the kind of street that shuts down for summer block parties, a place where neighbours chat at the end of the driveway -- the perfect place to raise a family.

Now the neighbourhood is being treated as a possible crime scene, with police canine units scrambling over parks and an Edmonton police helicopter hovering overhead.

Police said they are using all available resources as the search for Ms. White entered its second day. They are asking for the public's continued assistance in finding the woman.

Homicide, robbery, traffic and forensic units were brought in to help with the search.

Plainclothes surveillance units were taken off regular duty to canvass the neighbourhood. Civilian volunteers flagged down rush-hour traffic and handed out flyers with the young mother's photo, and civilian search-and-rescue teams combed the area.

Investigators checked with family, local hospitals and emergency medical services, to no avail.

"Residents are urged to check their backyards to see if there is anything unusual or out of place," said Lisa Lammi, of Edmonton police.

"Officers will also continue their door-to-door interviews asking for any information that can bring them closer to finding Liana White."

Ms. White was last seen by her husband on Tuesday at 6:15 a.m., when she left for the Royal Alexandra Hospital, where she works as a clerk in the neo-natal intensive care unit.

Ms. White's 1991 Ford Explorer was later discovered in a baseball diamond parking lot after police received a call about an abandoned vehicle on Tuesday.

The driver's door was wide open and Ms. White's purse and keys remained inside. Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot. More identification was found in the northwest corner of the ballpark and her cellphone was found switched off in the grass about 15 metres from the SUV.

There were no signs of a struggle, no drag marks and no blood.

Police have received a number of tips since Ms. White's disappearance, some from passersby who say they saw the SUV abandoned in the parking as early as 5 a.m.

Others reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked at the nearby ball diamond; police later seized the vehicle, taking it in for forensic identification processing.

Detective Ernie Schreiber said investigators are concentrating their efforts on finding Ms. White, and refused to say whether her husband is being considered a suspect in the disappearance.

On Tuesday night, the ex-military man was with police.

Ms. White is described as 5- feet-4 and about 190 pounds. She has a fair complexion, brown eyes and brown hair that falls halfway down her back. She is likely wearing green medical scrubs.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=3e242b87-54e1-4d4c-bd6e-23e35dde4d8c

[tuppence]

so now people say they saw the car at 5 AM? sorry this doesn't look good for the hubby.

[kahskye]

so now people say they saw the car at 5 AM? sorry this doesn't look good for the hubby.
5 AM? Do you think maybe that was a typo?

I'm not sure what to think yet. I know I couldn't give an exact time my dh leaves in the morning because it varies between 6:15 & 6:45. Could someone have lifted her and knocked off her shoes so her footsteps couldn't be traced?

[gagesmom314]

I think it is pretty quick to judge the husband. I know if I were in his shoes I wouldn't know what to do or say. The emotions going through your system would probably cause you not to think 100%. I also never know what time my fiance leaves for work. I can tell you it is normally between 8:00 and 8:45. I just hate to think that while this man is going through what is probably the worst point in his life there are people who have already put the guilty stamp on him.

[angarella]

He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

OMG, that was my thought exactly!

[kato]

You know, I hate to put to much into the time thing, just because in my household, every clock is different. my oldest sets the microwave clock at what his school clock is at, my husband sets his alarm clock for his work time clock. My car is set 10 min. fast so that if I am out bumming before I have to go to work, I am never late. Every clock in our house is different. I do not know if our family is just a little wierd, or if other people do this too?

All my clocks are 10-15 min. fast. It trips my BF out.

[mysteriew]

Most hosp. start their first shift at 7 am. Nurses will start arriving at 6:15 am at the earliest, unless they are meeting someone for coffee, etc. Most won't arrive until 6:30 am.
The time discreptancy really bothers me, the two witnesses that saw the vehicle in the lot so much earlier than the time she supposedly left for work. Now it could be the hubby said that she left that time, because that was her usual time to leave, but he may not have had to get up for work until later and would sleep in til he had to get up and get ready. But why wouldn't he have said that?
Also the two shoes being found bothers me as they may have come off in a struggle.
And the id being strewn around? Another sign of struggle? Or did she have those in her hand as she was being dragged and was dropping them to show which way she was being taken?
There are some pretty weird things here.

[kato]

Cass:

Thanks for the link. Interesting case. Please keep us posted.

[Observer]

I never know the exact time my hubby leaves for work unless I check, but I do know that he always leaves within 5 minutes of his regular time. The only time he leaves differently is if he has something extra to do and he always mentions it. So I would think that the hubby's timeline is referring to when she usually leaves and the fact that her car was spotted earlier doesn't look good for him.
JMHO

[kato]

Cass:

Thanks for the link. Interesting case. Please keep us updated.

[fourboys]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/14/1130977-sun.html

[fourboys]

Investigation continues into pregnant woman's disappearance

Last updated Jul 14 2005
CBC News

Forty-eight hours after Liana White went missing, friends say they're hoping for the best but fearing the worst.

Police are still treating her disappearance as a missing person's case, but as standard procedure, homicide detectives are involved should the worst happen.

"We're just being careful about how we investigate this," Det. Ernie Schreiber said after interviewing White's husband Wednesday, adding Michael White is not considered a suspect.

Michael White last saw his 29-year-old wife, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday, as she left for work as a clerk at the Royal Alexandra Hospital.

Her brown Ford Explorer was found abandoned in the parking lot of a playing field behind the Castledowns YMCA – about two kilometres from her home – with the keys inside and the door wide open.

Police say her purse, some identification and a pair of shoes were found near the SUV. More identification and her cellphone were found in an area northwest of the parking lot.

Police have been canvassing the neighbourhood, and with the help of volunteers, distributing flyers with Liana White's picture on it.

"I do hope she's OK," neighbour Dena Gallant said. "I'm just praying that we don't hear something bad. Who knows? Maybe they had a fight, maybe she left. You don't really know what happened.

"And until the evidence comes in to show something different, you just kind of hope for the best and pray the worst hasn't happened."

Sherri Unger, who works with White in the neo-natal unit at the Royal Alex, says she can't believe her friend would just disappear.

"It's very strange. Very strange. It's not within her character at all just to go missing like that," Unger said. "Very energetic, very outspoken, very charismatic. She was a good person."

Wednesday, Michael White made a televised plea for his wife's return, saying she would never hurt anyone.

"If whoever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, just stay there and I will find you. I will find you," he said.

In a media scrum later in the day, White thanked the police and media for helping publicize her disappearance.

"Liana, just hold on, hold tight," he said.

Police are also investigating what may be discrepancies in the timeline of White's disappearance. While Michael White said she left home at 6:15 a.m., at least two people have said they saw her SUV in the parking lot behind the YMCA before 6 a.m.

http://edmonton.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ed-missing-white20050714

[Jess]

I live just west of Edmonton. My initial reaction to seeing the husband on tv was that he looked like Mark Hacking and talked 'scottspeak" I rewatched the interview after hearing of the two witnesses who had supposedly seen the vehicle earlier than the supposed departure time.Gosh darn !! Was it my imagination or did he look to the left and down ? I hate being so suspicious!It certainly would take longer than 5 minutes to get from her subdivision to the Royal Alex, and goodness knows how far her parking spot is from the hospital.As of 11:16 Mountain Time, there is no news.

[Jess]

As of 11:18 Mountain Time, there is no news. I live just west of the city and have been listening to the local news.Just wondering about the discrepancy from when he said he saw her leave for work to when the two witnesses say they saw the SUV.

[nightowl]

"The driver's door was wide open and Ms. White's purse and keys remained inside. Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot. More identification was found in the northwest corner of the ballpark and her cellphone was found switched off in the grass about 15 metres from the SUV."

This part of the report has me thinking about possible scenarios. Here are some thoughts I am trying to pull together.

Her purse was in the car, but the wallet was missing. I would assume she would keep the wallet in the purse. If so, someone took the wallet out of the purse. Why would someone take the wallet but not the whole purse?

Maybe someone did manage to get her to pull over, and demanded that she go with him and also demanded that she bring her wallet?

Since she was so quiet and sweet, as has been reported, she may not have tried to fight much, if at all. If the perpetrator had a weapon, she may have just gone with him out of fear -- thus no signs of a struggle.

As for the cell phone. Maybe she secretly grabbed the cell phone along with her wallet -- and as the perpetrator took her from the scene he discovered she had it, and he tossed it.

As for the ID -- perhaps it was a hospital ID badge or something like that. Maybe it fell off or she removed it and dropped it as a silent call for help?

About the shoes, I'm having a harder time thinking of a possible explanation. It doesn't seem like she would get out of the vehicle with her wallet, cell phone, and carrying her shoes. Maybe she drives without her shoes on. When the perpetrator pulled her over, and demanded she go with him -- maybe she grabbed her shoes to put them on outside the car. The perpetrator was impatient and took her just barefooted or sock-footed. Her shoes were left there by the car.

I wonder what other forms of ID were found?

It's really strange. Usually we have very little evidence to go on. This crime scene, however, has evidence scattered all over it -- but none of it readily makes any sense.

[nightowl]

More thoughts --

If the perpetrator was in a vehicle and managed to get Liana to pull over -- wouldn't he just pull her a short distance into his vehicle? Why would her things then be scattered off in various directions? Maybe she handed the perp her wallet and then tried to run, but he caught her and hauled her back?

Then again, if the perp was already in the car when she got in it to go to work -- then I think her body would be found somewhere nearby where her SUV was left. The perp wouldn't have a vehicle to take her to. Unless it was all planned and he had a vehicle waiting for himself somewhere (like in the Groene case). This would indicate she may have had a stalker.

Sorry if this is starting to be a bit too much "stream of consiousness" as I type. I'm having too many thoughts right now and I'm trying to keep them straight!

[mom-a-licious]

Why would Liana's wallet be missing, and she's missing, but her purse is still in the car? She pulled the car over, someone took the time to remove her wallet from her purse, and then abducted her, leaving the purse behind? With no signs of a struggle?

Why not just take her, and leave the purse and wallet, or if wanting the wallet too, take the whole purse?

If a serial killer has abucted someone, a total stranger, they usually don't take the time to make it look like a robbery---they don't care, they just want the victim and it makes no difference to them if it clearly looks like an abduction took place.

Why would someone get her to pull her car over, not just on the side of the road, but in a parking lot, just to take her wallet out of her purse, then decide to take her also?

And absolutely no signs of a struggle, despite more ID, cell phone, and shoes found scattered nearby. Wonder if Liana was ever actually in her car that morning, if there are any signs that she was actually taken from the vehicle at the site where it was found.

[nightowl]

Why would Liana's wallet be missing, and she's missing, but her purse is still in the car? She pulled the car over, someone took the time to remove her wallet from her purse, and then abducted her, leaving the purse behind? With no signs of a struggle?

Why not just take her, and leave the purse and wallet, or if wanting the wallet too, take the whole purse?

If a serial killer has abucted someone, a total stranger, they usually don't take the time to make it look like a robbery---they don't care, they just want the victim and it makes no difference to them if it clearly looks like an abduction took place.

Why would someone get her to pull her car over, not just on the side of the road, but in a parking lot, just to take her wallet out of her purse, then decide to take her also?

And absolutely no signs of a struggle, despite more ID, cell phone, and shoes found scattered nearby. Wonder if Liana was ever actually in her car that morning, if there are any signs that she was actually taken from the vehicle at the site where it was found.
Good thought. I wonder if they have used tracking dogs and what the results were.

[Jess]

" The mystery deepens" --Global Edmonton," especially the discrepancy of times. The Police Department is expected to hold a press conference this afternoon."

[Mabel]

If whoever abducted her was pretending to be a police officer, she may have taken her wallet out of her purse to show her driver's license. I can't understand why the police are saying there was no sign of a struggle. Don't her belongings scattered all over the place indicate that there WAS a struggle?

[otto]

5 AM? Do you think maybe that was a typo?

I'm not sure what to think yet. I know I couldn't give an exact time my dh leaves in the morning because it varies between 6:15 & 6:45. Could someone have lifted her and knocked off her shoes so her footsteps couldn't be traced?

Some jobs have more flexiibility than others in terms of when people arrive at work. Nurses and teachers are two professions that cannot be late so I think it's safe to assume that they leave for work at the same time everyday, depending on weather.

190 pounds wouldn't be that easy to pick up and carry away.

[forbidn2u2]

Some jobs have more flexiibility than others in terms of when people arrive at work. Nurses and teachers are two professions that cannot be late so I think it's safe to assume that they leave for work at the same time everyday, depending on weather.

190 pounds wouldn't be that easy to pick up and carry away.

I just noticed this statement in a recent article.

Though Liana was initially described by police as weighing 190 pounds, they yesterday said that may be revised to a lower weight, closer to 150 pounds.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/14/1130977-sun.html

[FacTink]

First...I hope someone will take good notes on the press conference:

Some thinking out loud (yes, stream of consciousness too)

"Michael White last saw his 29-year-old wife, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday, as she left for work as a clerk at the Royal Alexandra Hospital."

Did "he" say he saw her last at 6:15am when she left for work, were those his words, his statement. My feeling is that Darryl (the city worker) was taking a bus to work, probably his everyday schedule and it seems he would know when he would have to get to that bus, what time he left home to walk to the bus and so on (did the bus driver see him get on the bus at the stop.) Probably a fairly good witness. Olah, did she have a regular gym schedule. If so, she probably knew her routine and timing, plus it is said that she called on her way to and from work (were these calls recorded, most are.) My thinking is that almost anyone out at 5 to 6:15am had a "schedule" and could pin down times when they saw that vehicle fairly closely.

IF they all collaborate seeing that vehicle prior to 6:15am (5am, 5:50, 5:55), and IF the husband intimated that she was "just leaving for work" at 6:15am, we really do have very serious problem to get beyond i.e. his word is disputed by a number of witnesses to that empty vehicle.

The shoes...those have bothered me... Did she walk around that park for exercise everday early? If so, had she put her shoes down to switch to her walking shoes (for exercise?) But the anonymous neighbor said she left for work at 6:15 am daily. The neighbor didn't say, "she left at 4:45, went walking, came home, got ready for work, then left at 6:15am" Of course, maybe she wasn't asked that? Or maybe that wasn't known. But...did the husband offer that? No, it appears "he saw her well and leaving for work at 6:15am" - or so those words have been attributed to him.

Honestly...nailing down the witnesses, clarifying his statement takes care of a whole lot in terms of where to look for the perp first. IF there is no confusion when those things are looked at (and that shouldn't take long if you have people on a schedule who can back their statements), then the rest is what he did and where her body is now.

Hopefully the news conference will clarify whether the witness statements are correct. My gut feeling might be that the police are already very clear on a few things and maybe they are just letting the perp have a few days of free time to see if they will point him towards where the body is by some of his actions. I hate to say it... ON THE OTHER HAND...if the witness statements are not trustworthy, I guess then I look at everything else far more closely.

Questions in the meanwhile:
1 How visible is this parking area where the car was found, and from how many angles. How many commuters are commuting at that time in the am.
2 How many perps are perping at 5am in the morning
3 Why did she pull off there, were there other safe road side stops besides that park
4 Is it daylight at 5am in Edmonton
5 It seems like only a stranger would dare anything in a well lit and well seen place, but 5 am in the morning, 5:55am?
6 How many hours were her shifts? Why get up two hours before the shift and be out of the house if it is a long day (my daughter's shifts are twelve hours.) Most moms of a toddler would conserve their energy for their little one wouldn't they? The baby would be sleeping when she got ready for work, so save the energy by getting up a little later, and having the energy for the little one after work?

We know a neighbor saw her the night before when Ashley was petting the dog. The only other person to see her after that was who, husband? Who spoke to her on the telephone last?

We also had a neighbor conjecture, "Maybe they had a fight?" Has this neighbor heard one before or was this a typical reasonable guess.

Based on what we know so far with the witnesses, hate to say it, but my guess would be an imminent arrest of the husband BUT...could they arrest him without any other evidence?

Waiting for our "Edmonton" news conference listener's reports.

FT

[otto]

"The driver's door was wide open and Ms. White's purse and keys remained inside. Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot. More identification was found in the northwest corner of the ballpark and her cellphone was found switched off in the grass about 15 metres from the SUV."


Here's another detail about the keys: "Police received a call yesterday morning after someone reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked in a gravel parking lot next to a soccer field. They found Liana White's brown Ford Explorer with a door wide open and keys inside, but not in the ignition."

If the keys were not in the ignition, then it looks like she pulled over and took her keys. I'm still leaning towards the possibility that someone tried to pull her over by flashing her lights to suggest that she had a flat tire or something. It looks like she pulled over, got out of her car with cell phone and wallet in hand and then someone grabbed her. He put her in his car and as he was leaving he threw the phone and the ID out the window.

[FacTink]

Yup, weight adjusted to 150 pounds. I had the same questions as Tybee. If those were recent pictures of Lianne, her face was so slender that it definitely defied a 5'4" 4 month pregnant woman at 190 pounds.

FT

[kahskye]

If whoever abducted her was pretending to be a police officer, she may have taken her wallet out of her purse to show her driver's license. I can't understand why the police are saying there was no sign of a struggle. Don't her belongings scattered all over the place indicate that there WAS a struggle?
That's exactly what I was thinking. If I was being pulled over by an officer, I would immediately grab my wallet to pull my driver's license out. Maybe she still had her wallet in her hand when she was grabbed and just didn't let go of it. If the shoes were slip on type, they may have just fallen off as she resisted him. Or maybe she took off running while still holding her wallet and grabbed her phone to try and call for help but the person caught up w/ her and grabbed her. The phone was taken from her, switch turned off and thrown and some of her identification fell from her wallet that was clutched in her other hand and maybe went unnoticed. Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.

Just my opinion . . . .

[FacTink]

>>Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.<<

I believe the reports so far indicate no evidence of dragging.

[otto]

First...I hope someone will take good notes on the press conference:

Some thinking out loud (yes, stream of consciousness too)

"Michael White last saw his 29-year-old wife, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday, as she left for work as a clerk at the Royal Alexandra Hospital."

Did "he" say he saw her last at 6:15am when she left for work, were those his words, his statement. My feeling is that Darryl (the city worker) was taking a bus to work, probably his everyday schedule and it seems he would know when he would have to get to that bus, what time he left home to walk to the bus and so on (did the bus driver see him get on the bus at the stop.) Probably a fairly good witness. Olah, did she have a regular gym schedule. If so, she probably knew her routine and timing, plus it is said that she called on her way to and from work (were these calls recorded, most are.) My thinking is that almost anyone out at 5 to 6:15am had a "schedule" and could pin down times when they saw that vehicle fairly closely.

IF they all collaborate seeing that vehicle prior to 6:15am (5am, 5:50, 5:55), and IF the husband intimated that she was "just leaving for work" at 6:15am, we really do have very serious problem to get beyond i.e. his word is disputed by a number of witnesses to that empty vehicle.

The shoes...those have bothered me... Did she walk around that park for exercise everday early? If so, had she put her shoes down to switch to her walking shoes (for exercise?) But the anonymous neighbor said she left for work at 6:15 am daily. The neighbor didn't say, "she left at 4:45, went walking, came home, got ready for work, then left at 6:15am" Of course, maybe she wasn't asked that? Or maybe that wasn't known. But...did the husband offer that? No, it appears "he saw her well and leaving for work at 6:15am" - or so those words have been attributed to him.

Honestly...nailing down the witnesses, clarifying his statement takes care of a whole lot in terms of where to look for the perp first. IF there is no confusion when those things are looked at (and that shouldn't take long if you have people on a schedule who can back their statements), then the rest is what he did and where her body is now.

Hopefully the news conference will clarify whether the witness statements are correct. My gut feeling might be that the police are already very clear on a few things and maybe they are just letting the perp have a few days of free time to see if they will point him towards where the body is by some of his actions. I hate to say it... ON THE OTHER HAND...if the witness statements are not trustworthy, I guess then I look at everything else far more closely.

Questions in the meanwhile:
1 How visible is this parking area where the car was found, and from how many angles. How many commuters are commuting at that time in the am.
2 How many perps are perping at 5am in the morning
3 Why did she pull off there, were there other safe road side stops besides that park
4 Is it daylight at 5am in Edmonton
5 It seems like only a stranger would dare anything in a well lit and well seen place, but 5 am in the morning, 5:55am?
6 How many hours were her shifts? Why get up two hours before the shift and be out of the house if it is a long day (my daughter's shifts are twelve hours.) Most moms of a toddler would conserve their energy for their little one wouldn't they? The baby would be sleeping when she got ready for work, so save the energy by getting up a little later, and having the energy for the little one after work?

We know a neighbor saw her the night before when Ashley was petting the dog. The only other person to see her after that was who, husband? Who spoke to her on the telephone last?

We also had a neighbor conjecture, "Maybe they had a fight?" Has this neighbor heard one before or was this a typical reasonable guess.

Based on what we know so far with the witnesses, hate to say it, but my guess would be an imminent arrest of the husband BUT...could they arrest him without any other evidence?

Waiting for our "Edmonton" news conference listener's reports.

FT

I've heard that the early morning hours are dangerous, don't remember where. 5 a.m., it's still pretty dark even with daylight savings time. Sunrise is at about 5:20 although the sun isn't really up yet for another hour.

There are similarities and differences to the Mark Hacking case. Differences are that they already had children, Mike White has a job and hasn't mislead anyone about what he does or plans to do. They lived in a family oriented neighbourhood for the last four years.

They've already searched the house and neighbourhood, making it clear that in any missing person case it's standard procedure to immediately do that. I'm sure they're still questioned Mike, going over all the details over and over again hoping that he'll remember something new.

[otto]

Yup, weight adjusted to 150 pounds. I had the same questions as Tybee. If those were recent pictures of Lianne, her face was so slender that it definitely defied a 5'4" 4 month pregnant woman at 190 pounds.

FT

One of the pictures on TV showed her face as being rounder so I think the picture on the news is probably from when she is not pregnant.

Here's a link: http://www.cfcn.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/B/20050713/missingedm?brand=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=missingedm&date=20050713&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav=home&subnav=fullstory (hope that link works)

[karmarama]

This is so scary and sad!


I live only minutes away from the park where her SUV was found! My Grandson plays in that park almost every day! :( My grand daughter was born this past July 1st in the hospital where she works.

I feel just sick that her purse and other personal items were found, it doesn't look too good!


ETA I could go and take a bunch of picture of the park if anyone wants to see the area?

[FacTink]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!

Anyone know when the news conference is? Has it been held? Is anyone reporting on this?

Hello karmarama,
I know what it feels like to have these tragedies hit so close. We STILL have the case of a murdered 18 year old in a "freeway commuter parking lot" near here that has never been solved. It makes me so sick for this girls family. Someone knows who did it, they have not been brought to justice, and this always feels very wrong to me. I still don't like driving by that place, I always think of this young girl. I always wonder WHY the perp has not been busted.

Yes karmarama, if you can take some pictures in and around that area, the streets, parking lot, the bus stops, anything that can help us get a clearer idea...that would be helpful. However, having said that...we might want to wait until the news conference today.

In the meanwhile, can anyone clarify to us whether corroborating witnesses, such as those that defy Mr. White's story, can be reason for suspecting/arresting him?

I don't want to condemn anyone before the truth is known, but witness times and White's time are as different as day and night so far.

FT

[Casshew]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE! I love when you speak Olde English :blowkiss:

[otto]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!

Anyone know when the news conference is? Has it been held? Is anyone reporting on this?

In the meanwhile, can anyone clarify to us whether corroborating witnesses, such as those that defy Mr. White's story, can be reason for suspecting/arresting him?

I don't want to condemn anyone before the truth is known, but witness times and White's time are as different as day and night so far.

FT

If there is a news conference, it won't be on the news until the 6 o'clock news. Mike White can't be arrested unless there is sufficient evidence to hold him. It could take weeks before it's all sorted out but if Mike had anything to do with it, he will be arrested. If he is held for questioning, he can get up and walk out anytime he wants until he is arrested. The conflicting times could be evidence that another vehicle was parked in the area earlier, but until they know for sure that it was Liana's vehicle, it doesn't mean much. There were surriellance cameras on one of the parking lots, but not the lot where her vehicle was found. I'm pretty sure that Mike would have been taken in for questioning and during that time there would be a tape recorder and camera on him. If Mike did something with his wife, that evidence will become useful over time.

[Casshew]

I just noticed... Laci, Lori & Liana :eek:

If her husband is involved this is just spooky.

[karmarama]

Factink,


I don't blame you for not wanting to drive by the place where the 18 year old girl was murdered :( it's very frustrating knowing that there are so many criminals out there, free to commit more crimes! let's hope that case gets solved soon or later!


I will wait for the news conference first :) if there is nothing new, I will go and take some pictures.

[FacTink]

BTW Cassy gal...

I didn't have a chance to tell you that I found your earlier comments quite interesting AND I didn't miss them! ...i.e.

========
>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

'just stay there' = don't you dare surface?

'I will find you' = I know where you are?
==========

I still struggle with the speech in the above. In the meanwhile, "I will find you." Has Mike been looking for Lianne? I know he has thanked others for doing so.

FT

[FacTink]

Hello Otto,

I am feeling too lazy to flick back a few pages...but did you mention a situation in Banff? Found the following...

>>
Man charged in Banff assault
Last updated Jul 14 2005 02:34 PM MDT
http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-banff-assault20050714
<<

FT

[fourboys]

Missing mom not criminal investigation: Police

CTV.ca News Staff
Thu. Jul. 14 2005

Edmonton police say they are not treating the disappearance of a young pregnant mother as a criminal investigation...yet.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car, containing her personal belongings, was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Her disappearance has prompted an intense search by police and civilian volunteers in the couple's suburban Edmonton neighbourhood.

Police say although her disappearance is suspicious and out of character, they are currently treating the case as a missing person's file.

They say while there is no identified suspect, they can't rule out anybody at this stage.

"In all reality we have to take a look at everybody who has something to do with her life," Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski told CTV News.

"Whether its close family members, parents, or friends at work, we have to look at everybody."

Police say they have found no evidence of a struggle or that a crime took place.

Continued...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121343206016_456007/?hub=TopStories

[fourboys]

Edmonton disappearance still a mystery

The Canadian Press
Thursday, July 14


Police in Edmonton say they're getting lots of tips, but still don't know what happened to a woman who disappeared on her way to work.

Twenty-nine-year-old Liana White, pregnant with her second child, has been missing since Tuesday morning.

Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski says police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating it as a missing person case.

White's SUV was found abandoned not far from her home, but all her belongings, including bank cards and credits, have apparently been accounted for.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted.

Ewatski says investigators are checking all accounts thoroughly in order to get an accurate timeline around her disappearance.

http://www.cfcn.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/B/20050714/edmmissing?brand=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=edmmissing&date=20050714&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav=home&subnav=fullstory

[otto]

Hello Otto,

I am feeling too lazy to flick back a few pages...but did you mention a situation in Banff? Found the following...

>>
Man charged in Banff assault
Last updated Jul 14 2005 02:34 PM MDT
http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-banff-assault20050714
<<

FT

Yes, thanks for the update.

[kahskye]

>>Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.<<

I believe the reports so far indicate no evidence of dragging.
Ok, then maybe she was carried away kicking which caused her shoes to come off.

[blueclouds]

That's a lot of dead women.... :eek: the article states the police have nothing to link them to the same killer, why is their no DNA or other evidence?
There's over 80 missing and unsolved murders in Alberta, especially Edmonton area since early 80's. THEY'RE JUST NOW talking about it potentially being the SAME person. Pssssss's me off. And many of the girls were dumped almost in our back yard just south of Sherwood Park. They refuse to call it a serial killer though. GO FIGURE :waitasec: :rolleyes:

[AussieAussie]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but if the SUV was left unlocked/door open someone else may have come along and seen the purse on the seat and helped themselves to her wallet. I can imagine them going through it as they run off and tossing any identifying cards etc and just keeping the money??

I also got a shock when I saw the photo of her hubby! Image of Mark Hacking!!! I feel so sorry for him if he has nothing to do with her disappearance because I think everyone is going to make the comparison between the both of them!

[fourboys]

Probe continues in case of Edmonton woman who disappeared en route to work

LISA ARROWSMITH
July 14, 2005

EDMONTON (CP) - They say they're getting lots of tips, but Edmonton police still don't know what happened to a woman who mysteriously disappeared on her way to work.

Liana White, 29, has been missing since Tuesday morning, when she failed to arrive at her downtown hospital job. Police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating the case as a missing person, acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski told reporters Thursday.

White's SUV was found abandoned in a parking lot not far from her suburban north Edmonton home, but all her belongings, including bank and credit cards, have apparently been accounted for, Ewatski said.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted, and Ewatski said police were working to sort them out.

White's husband, Michael, has said he last saw Liana at 6:15 a.m., but a woman who reported the abandoned SUV said she saw it before 6 a.m.

"We are in the process of validating that, and I'm sure that we will have a better timeline because we've had a lot of tips," Ewatski said.

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

White is four months pregnant with her second child, and that fact has prompted some comparisons to the sensational case of Laci Peterson, a pregnant California woman murdered by her husband.

"There are a lot of comparisons because people watch television and people get influenced by what they see on television and think sometimes, well, that happens everywhere," Ewatski said.

Police are not treating Michael White as a suspect in anything, he said, and the case shouldn't cause city residents undue fear.

"Edmonton is a very safe city," he said. "I police that area, and it does have random acts of violence; there's no doubt about that. Every community in the city does, whether it's break and enters or stolen cars, theft from autos, assaults or stabbings."

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/sho...ontent=n071463A (http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/shownews.jsp?content=n071463A)

[mysteriew]

I am still going with looking at the hubby. The fact that there seems to be a serial killer there might give hubby the idea that he could arrange a scene to "explain" a murder.
My reasoning:
The scene of the vehicle seems "staged". Her purse is in the car, yet her ID is strewn around, bank cards and credit cards are recovered. Her keys are there. Her shoes are an oddity that is out of place- maybe left there to help indicate a struggle. Open door also to indicate a struggle. Yet no other signs of a struggle.
There are 2 witnesses that report seeing the vehicle there, before the time she was supposed to have left for work. (It took 3 calls to LE, to get them to take a look at the scene). Only her hubby to say that she left for work at the usual time.
She was a mother with a young child and pregnant, so it is not likely that decided to run off and leave her child.
Other murders have shown that during pregnancy can be a risky time in a relationship.

[Casshew]

Any local Edmontonians know if there are cameras at traffic lights/intersections in that area?

[FacTink]

From the officer:
>>"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."<<

WUH OH! THE NIGHT BEFORE? WUH WUH WUH OH! Wonder what time it was seen the night before. If it was seen AFTER the neighbor was with Lianna and her daughter Ashley petting the dog, then WUH OH...WUH WUH WUH OH!

ft

[FacTink]

No press conference? No news? It is 9:33pm here, approx. time of Edmonton and no news?

FT

[sandraladeda]

There was no new news to report. Just repeating the same old "still treating as a missing persons case" etc. Will post an update if I catch anything new.

[fourboys]

Husband to search for missing pregnant wife

CTV.ca News Staff
Thu. Jul. 14 2005

The distraught husband of a missing pregnant Edmonton woman says he is frustrated with the police investigation into his wife's disappearance and and may take matters into his own hands.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car, containing her personal belongings, was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Now, after almost three days without trace, her husband, Michael White, says he plans to search for his missing wife on his own.

"My sorrow has now become anger," he told CTV News.

"She's my wife. I'm going to find her. I said the first day I'm going to find her and I will."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121343206016_456007/?hub=TopStories

[karmarama]

Any local Edmontonians know if there are cameras at traffic lights/intersections in that area?


There are some, not sure if there is one at that particular intersection? I will check tomorrow after work. Edmonton also has live traffic web cams at various locations, I am trying to find them online, no luck yet! I will keep looking :)

Just watched the news, nothing new to report.

The area where her SUV was found is wide open! someone has to have seen something! that YMCA is very busy.

I will post pictures and more info on the cameras tomorrow.

[newtv]

The LE are having a press conference this afternoon about this case. Last I heard they were looking on the outskirts of Edmonton. Yikes !! I live on the outskirts. I saw the video of the husband to see if his eyes looked down to the left and they did !! We've all become so suspicious because of the Scott Peterson case. At least he didn't use the word amazing when he described her.As soon as I hear anything I'll post, but I'll be out when the evening news is on.
I think its suspicious that the husband said 6:15 am. and if that happens to be the normal time she would leave for her shift (perhaps a 7:00am shift), and the car was spotted at 5:50-6:00-or 6:15 for that matter he is a liar.
Cuz she should not be there at 6:15 if she was just leaving the house. Now if the police can prove the call from the witness came in at 6:00am. he is screwed.
I do not believe he would forget the time or not know it..people have routines. It was likely the time she left everyday or everytime she worked that particular shift.
He would be the one at home with the child-and responsible people tend to know the time when they are in a routine with shift work and children.
I did not buy his tears either. i watched the plea on TV and I just had the feeling that he was acting like a baby-too much emotion-like mark hacking. I thot he was acting.

[txsvicki]

>>Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.<<

I believe the reports so far indicate no evidence of dragging.


If a person were dragged away while conscious, I'd think they'd be kicking around and not just dragging the back of their heels. Working in a hospital, I would think that the shoes wouldn't have been a slip on type or very easy to get off. Does anyone know what kind of shoes were found?

[newtv]

Husband to search for missing pregnant wife

CTV.ca News Staff
Thu. Jul. 14 2005

The distraught husband of a missing pregnant Edmonton woman says he is frustrated with the police investigation into his wife's disappearance and and may take matters into his own hands.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car, containing her personal belongings, was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Now, after almost three days without trace, her husband, Michael White, says he plans to search for his missing wife on his own.

"My sorrow has now become anger," he told CTV News.

"She's my wife. I'm going to find her. I said the first day I'm going to find her and I will."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121343206016_456007/?hub=TopStories
hmmm not sure what to make of this-seems appropriate of an innocent person to be mad..maybe he isnt involved but he has to be the first suspect-its just that way-they go by the book.

[lauriej]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/13/1130092-cp.html

"White is pregnant with her second child, and that fact has prompted some comparisons to the sensational case of Laci Peterson, a pregnant California woman murdered by her husband. "

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

.......as i saw on the evening news tonight..............".police are asking the public to NOT make those comparisons".......
..but it's hard.............a missing pregnant wife...........the husband comes across as a cross between hacking/sp.............
...he now says he's going to "find her himself" and disregard LE...........i'll be interested to see what that entails on his part.....

[spydog]

The scattered items do seem like something staged to me. Remember when Marc Hacking drove his wife's car to the park, then ran home? The police noticed that the driver's seat was pushed back (for his legs) and he forgot to pull it back up. Something else in the car was suspiscious of who the last driver might have been. I hope everything like this was looked over by LE there.

The things that make me look twice at the husband are:
1) time frame
2) x-military (sorry any military people here, I know not all military people are violent, but some are).
3) Scene seems staged.

Take a look at this picture. Look at the apartments in the background. I hope all these apartments were questioned as to whether or not they have have heard something or seen that vehicle there. There are a lot of windows.

hm...never posted a pic here, how to do it? Let's try this:

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_suv_050713.jpg

[spydog]

I guess we can't just post an image here? Other than are AV?

[newtv]

The scattered items do seem like something staged to me. Remember when Marc Hacking drove his wife's car to the park, then ran home? The police noticed that the driver's seat was pushed back (for his legs) and he forgot to pull it back up. Something else in the car was suspiscious of who the last driver might have been. I hope everything like this was looked over by LE there.

The things that make me look twice at the husband are:
1) time frame
2) x-military (sorry any military people here, I know not all military people are violent, but some are).
3) Scene seems staged.

Take a look at this picture. Look at the apartments in the background. I hope all these apartments were questioned as to whether or not they have have heard something or seen that vehicle there. There are a lot of windows.

hm...never posted a pic here, how to do it? Let's try this:

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_suv_050713.jpg
It does sound suspicious given that there are no abductions happening in the area-and she doesnt sound like a runaway "mother" type..etc.. (timex doesnt like us to mention the name of whom I am really referencing..lol)..
i always say-who else could it be..and I agree with the military thing-it does add a knowledge of guns and so on..

[newtv]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/13/1130092-cp.html

"White is pregnant with her second child, and that fact has prompted some comparisons to the sensational case of Laci Peterson, a pregnant California woman murdered by her husband. "

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

.......as i saw on the evening news tonight..............".police are asking the public to NOT make those comparisons".......
..but it's hard.............a missing pregnant wife...........the husband comes across as a cross between hacking/sp.............
...he now says he's going to "find her himself" and disregard LE...........i'll be interested to see what that entails on his part.....
basically its the timeline that twigs me-as soon as there is a descrepancy such as when she left the house vs when the car was noticed I am suspicious..he should know the time she leaves-he is married to her and its not the first time she left for work..its a routine.

[newtv]

I keep wanting to mention that they say she is 5.4 and 190 pounds..can that be true..I mean 5.4 isnt that tall and yet she doesnt look like she is carrying that much weight in the pictures they have shown.

[spydog]

I noticed in one of the link articles, that they changed that, said she was more like 150 lbs.

[newtv]

I noticed in one of the link articles, that they changed that, said she was more like 150 lbs.oh thanks- i dont care if she is 190 if its true-but it didnt sound right to me and I would have factored that into how mobile she could have been-not very at 190 pounds-pregnant-5.4..however, 150 sounds right for her stage in the pregnancy..

[otto]

Ok, then maybe she was carried away kicking which caused her shoes to come off.

Or maybe she just let her feet fall and her shoes fell off.

What would anyone do if someone picked them up while threatening them with a weapon ... unless there was a cell phone escape (that was tossed into the field) ... probably not struggle and maybe let their feet fall, hoping the left behind shoes would provide a clue to what happened to them.

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There's over 80 missing and unsolved murders in Alberta, especially Edmonton area since early 80's. THEY'RE JUST NOW talking about it potentially being the SAME person. Pssssss's me off. And many of the girls were dumped almost in our back yard just south of Sherwood Park. They refuse to call it a serial killer though. GO FIGURE :waitasec: :rolleyes:

I thought it was more like about 34 women in the Edmonton area since the 1980's. They have called it a serial killer (won't paste or link properly) for the last 6 months:"CNN.com - Canada fears second serial killer - Jun 9, 2005
Each woman's body was found in farmers' fields, every few years at first, then more frequently. With every death, fear grows that Edmonton is the second western Canadian city to be home to a killer preying on prostitutes. ... say if they believe a serial murderer is roaming the northern Alberta city, where the bodies of 25 ... unwilling to say if a serial killer was at work until they ... www.cnn.com ", partially inspired by Robert Pickton and his 30 years of murdering prostitutes.

There is speculation, like in the Pickton case, that the person behind the murders in Edmonton is familiar with rural settings ... may even live in Leduc or Camrose. He often dumps the bodies, burned, near Sherwood Park but that's probably not his back yard. That's probably where he wants to be - kind of a sick offering to a life he never had. Sherwood Park is like the Hamptons of Alberta so the offering of dead bodies is the surrounding area has some social indications.

They're calling it a serial killing and they're now trying to find information on what happened to these women, but no one knows anything about the burned and discarded missing prostitutes in Edmonton. There is no DNA evidence. No one noticed them missing ... for too long ... they're sex industry girls with no real schedule.

[otto]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but if the SUV was left unlocked/door open someone else may have come along and seen the purse on the seat and helped themselves to her wallet. I can imagine them going through it as they run off and tossing any identifying cards etc and just keeping the money??

I also got a shock when I saw the photo of her hubby! Image of Mark Hacking!!! I feel so sorry for him if he has nothing to do with her disappearance because I think everyone is going to make the comparison between the both of them!\

Nope. Edmonton is not like that. If the door was left open and it was dusk, a lot of people would have noticed and any wallet prowlers would have been noticed and deterred ... didn't happen ... no one was prowling around this remote area and scammed her wallet between her being abducted and the police being notified. I can say that for sure.

I can imagine the driver, like what happened in California with Carol Sundringham (sp?) and the two teenagers, where the guy threw the identification out the window in a town in the wrong direction of where he took them. The ID toss seems to be random and deliberate at the same time, but not something that Liana would do. She would never have let go of her cell phone unless it wasn't an option either.

No kidding. He's about the same age as Mark Hacking. He's bald like Mark Hacking. H