Canada-Lianna White/Edmonton,AB

[fourboys]

ID, shoes found near missing woman's vehicle

Last updated Jul 13 2005
CBC News

Police are investigating the mysterious disappearance of a 29-year-old pregnant woman whose SUV was found abandoned early Tuesday morning a short distance from her home.

Liana White's brown Ford Explorer was found in the parking lot of a playing field behind the Castledowns YMCA – about two kilometres from her home – with the keys and her purse inside and the door wide open.

Police say her wallet, some identification and a pair of shoes were found near the SUV. More identification and her cell phone were found in an area northwest of the parking lot.

"Whether or not somebody helped themselves to her purse, we're not sure," acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski said. "If it was a robbery or part of an abduction, we're not too sure yet.

"So we've located those [items] and we are going to be checking them for evidence."

The YMCA is along White's regular route to work.

White, who is four months pregnant, was last seen by her husband at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work as a clerk in the neo-natal unit of the Royal Alexandra Hospital. She was likely wearing surgical scrubs.

Colleagues have told police it isn't like White, who has a young daughter, to not show up for work.

"It's very uncharacteristic of this lady to not show up at work," Ewatski said. "She hasn't called anybody, so that's why we're treating this as very suspicious."

Police say they first received a call about the abandoned SUV at 7:27 a.m.

But Marie Olah says she first called police after seeing the vehicle in the parking lot on her way to the gym, before 6 a.m. – before White is said to have left for work.

Other media reports quote a second person who says he also saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

Olah says police didn't take her first call seriously and didn't ask for the licence plate number. She made her second call after passing by the vehicle again and noticing the keys and purse were still inside.

The 7:27 a.m. call that brought officers to the scene was made by someone else.

Police officers have been searching the area and canvassing neighbours. Posters were also handed out to drivers heading home from work along the route White took, in case they saw something Tuesday morning.

"Human beings are very different people and we have no idea what's behind all this, so we're hoping for the best," Ewatski said. "And we're hoping someone will see her or she'll contact us."

Photo:
http://edmonton.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ed-missing-white20050713

[fourboys]

'This is scary'
Woman's vehicle found abandoned, personal items strewn on ground

By AJAY BHARDWAJ AND MAX MAUDIE,
EDMONTON SUN
Wed, July 13, 2005

Police, family and neighbours fear the worst after a 29-year-old pregnant woman vanished on her way to work yesterday morning.

"This is scary," said acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski, referring to the disappearance of Liana White. "We all think about Punky Gustavson. These things are out of the ordinary.

Cops received a call about 7:30 a.m. yesterday after someone reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked in a parking lot next to a soccer field at 157 Avenue and 116 Street.

Police found White's brown Ford Explorer with a door wide open and keys inside, but not in the ignition.

White was wearing green medical scrubs when she left for work at her downtown job in the health field. Police were told she was scheduled to start work at 7 a.m.

Cops said White's home is a five-minute drive northwest of where her truck was found.

"(Her husband) and her family are very distraught," said Ewatski. "They are beside themselves and we are trying to comfort them and glean some more information from them as well."

Last night police said they were dealing with scores of tips after the media blitz that followed White's disappearance.

White's purse was outside the truck and her wallet was missing. Her credit cards, health-care card and other ID were strewn on the ground west of the Explorer. A pair of her shoes were found next to the vehicle.

"We've done all the required checks we've had to do in regards to ambulance, hospital, we've checked our cellblock," Ewatski said. "Nobody has seen this lady."

"She has not shown up at work. It's very uncharacteristic of her to do this."

A dog unit and Air 1, the police helicopter, were called to the scene. Later in the day volunteers with the community police radio network handed out posters with pictures of White and her truck.

Police also called out members of the homicide unit, robbery section and northside criminal investigation section. Cops said their expertise is crucial in this situation.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

White is five-foot-four, 190 pounds and is four months pregnant.

Police were keeping people away from the family's house yesterday until investigators had finished inside. A forensics unit was outside the house yesterday evening.

It's standard practice to search a missing person's house, police said, as well as interview family and friends.

The case is eerily similar to one that occurred in Edmonton a decade ago.

Det. Wil Tonowski of the EPS high-risk offender unit was last night accessing the national sex-offender registry. It's the first time police in Alberta have accessed the seven-month-old database for an active investigation, Tonowski said.

Tonowski said he couldn't get into the specifics of the investigation, but said there were grounds to access the database. He stressed "there's nothing specific that points to any sex assault at this point."

Sheila Salter, 42, was abducted in her own truck from an Edmonton parkade near her business on Dec. 7, 1995. Her body was found 10 days later in an abandoned farmhouse.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/13/1129134-sun.html

[fourboys]

Search on for missing pregnant Edmonton mom

CTV.ca News Staff
Wed. Jul. 13 2005

Police in Edmonton are appealing to the public for help as they probe the mysterious disappearance of a young, pregnant mother.

Liana White, 29, who is four months pregnant with her second child, was reported missing Tuesday after she failed to show up for work at a downtown hospital and her co-workers grew worried.

While's SUV was found Tuesday morning abandoned about 10 blocks from the home she shares with her husband and their daughter. The driver's door was open and White's purse and keys were in the ignition.

Edmonton police spokeswoman Lisa Lammi says investigators are doing a door-to-door canvas of her neighbourhood and asking anyone with any information to come forward. They have also called in homicide detectives.

White's husband said his wife left the house in her green medical scrubs at 6:15 a.m Tuesday. But a jogger who reported the abandoned vehicle says she saw it earlier than that.

Lammi says police are talking to that witness as part of the investigation, but she can't release any details. Police said they have head scores of other tips as well.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121278830584_116688030/?hub=Canada

[fourboys]

Disappearance of pregnant mother of toddler shocks quiet, suburban neighbourhood

Karen Kleiss and Florence Loyie, with files from RenataD'Aliesio
The Edmonton Journal
Wednesday, July 13, 2005

EDMONTON - The young, expectant mother at the centre of a massive north-side police search is known as a quiet, friendly woman who always wears a bright smile.

Neighbours on the winding suburban crescent in Dunluce where 29-year-old Liana White and her husband Mike have lived for four years are in shock.

White is four months pregnant with the couple's second child; their first, a girl, is just a toddler.

"She was just here last night with little Ashley, because the little girl wanted to pat my dog, Ginger," neighbour Barb Jama said, tears swelling in her eyes.

"This is so scary. It is hard to even imagine what happened. For her to disappear like this is just so out of character."

Police are treating White's disappearance as suspicious because she has never gone missing before and never failed to show up for work without calling.

"It's very uncharacteristic of her," said acting duty officer Jamie Ewatski.

The couple lives on the kind of street that shuts down for summer block parties, a place where neighbours chat at the end of the driveway -- the perfect place to raise a family.

White was last seen by her husband at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, where she works as a clerk in the neo-natal intensive care unit.

At 7:27 a.m., police received a report of an abandoned SUV in the parking lot between two baseball diamonds near 116th Street and 157th Avenue, a short drive from the White home.

The driver's door of the 1991 Ford Explorer was wide open and White's purse and keys were inside.

Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot.

Other personal items were found in the northwest corner of the ballpark. Her cellphone was found in the grass 15 metres away.

There were no signs of struggle, no drag marks and no blood.

Darryl MacMillan, who was walking to the bus stop on 157th Avenue early Tuesday, said he saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

"I thought it was someone out walking their dogs," he said.

A second citizen reported a suspicious vehicle parked at the ball diamond, which police later seized and took in for forensic identification processing.

Homicide, robbery, traffic and forensic units were brought in to help with the search.

Plainclothes surveillance units were taken off regular duty to canvass the neighbourhood.

Canine units searched the park area and the police helicopter Air One flew overhead.

Civilian volunteers flagged down rush-hour traffic and handed out flyers with the young mother's photo, and civilian search-and-rescue teams combed the area.

Ewatski said White's husband Mike was "very distraught" when he learned of his wife's disappearance.

On Tuesday night, the ex-military man and heavy duty mechanic was with police.

Investigators checked with family, local hospitals and emergency medical services, to no avail.

White is described as five feet four and weighing about 190 pounds. She has a fair complexion, brown eyes and brown hair that falls midway down her back. She is likely wearing medical scrubs.

Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to call police at
423-4567.

http://www.canada.com/fortstjohn/story.html?id=3e63a309-2e86-4df6-acca-9b05ddef214c

[Sam]

So who is lying or just mistaken, the husband or Darryl MacMillan?
The husband claims she left at 6:15 that morning.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

Hmmmmm.

[Jenn]

So who is lying or just mistaken, the husband or Darryl MacMillan?
The husband claims she left at 6:15 that morning.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

Hmmmmm.
I had the same thought! Something is not right. This is not looking good for her. :(

[Casshew]

Hmmm indeed... but the time descrepency could be innocent - either the husband thought it was later than it really was when she left - or the neighbour had the time wrong at 5:50am

A big mystery here... and why were her things so scattered? cell phone 15 metres away like it was flung? :waitasec:

[KrazyKollector]

So who is lying or just mistaken, the husband or Darryl MacMillan?
The husband claims she left at 6:15 that morning.

Another witness, city worker Darryl MacMillan, told police he saw the Explorer parked in the lot at 5:50 a.m.

Hmmmmm.Another person also saw the vehicle before 6 a.m. They called police at that time.

I hope I am wrong but the details keep screaming "staged" to me. Things scattered around but no blood, drag marks or signs of a struggle? Just sounds strange.

It sure doesn't sound too good for her though. :( :( :(

[Casshew]

Check out this thread on the missing forum that fourboys started... pregnant woman, very disturbing & a big mystery

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26220

[Jess]

The LE are having a press conference this afternoon about this case. Last I heard they were looking on the outskirts of Edmonton. Yikes !! I live on the outskirts. I saw the video of the husband to see if his eyes looked down to the left and they did !! We've all become so suspicious because of the Scott Peterson case. At least he didn't use the word amazing when he described her.As soon as I hear anything I'll post, but I'll be out when the evening news is on.

[Casshew]

Thanks Jess... keep us posted!

[mysteriew]

Two witnesses say the vehicle was there an hour before police took notice, and before the husband says she left home. Personal items (IDs and etc) strewn around (maybe like breadcrumbs? marking a trail) I hope they are looking at the hubby closely, and I think they will find her body in those woods.

[lostfaith]

Hmmm indeed... but the time descrepency could be innocent - either the husband thought it was later than it really was when she left - or the neighbour had the time wrong at 5:50am

A big mystery here... and why were her things so scattered? cell phone 15 metres away like it was flung? :waitasec:

You know, I hate to put to much into the time thing, just because in my household, every clock is different. my oldest sets the microwave clock at what his school clock is at, my husband sets his alarm clock for his work time clock. My car is set 10 min. fast so that if I am out bumming before I have to go to work, I am never late. Every clock in our house is different. I do not know if our family is just a little wierd, or if other people do this too?

[lostfaith]

Another person also saw the vehicle before 6 a.m. They called police at that time.

I hope I am wrong but the details keep screaming "staged" to me. Things scattered around but no blood, drag marks or signs of a struggle? Just sounds strange.

It sure doesn't sound too good for her though. :( :( :(

I know. The first thing I thought when I saw her picture was "Jennifer Wilbanks" run away bride. I feel really bad for thinking that, but I guess I hope I am right. It has happened recently before, with that other supposedly pregnant woman, who turned out not to be pregnant.

[WordsofWisdom]

Police say they first received a call about the abandoned SUV at 7:27 a.m.

But Marie Olah says she first called police after seeing the vehicle in the parking lot on her way to the gym, before 6 a.m. – before White is said to have left for work.

Other media reports quote a second person who says he also saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

Olah says police didn't take her first call seriously and didn't ask for the licence plate number. She made her second call after passing by the vehicle again and noticing the keys and purse were still inside.

The 7:27 a.m. call that brought officers to the scene was made by someone else.

uh-oh.... seems like someone goofed up in a major way.

Liana White:

http://calgary.cbc.ca/indepth/images/ab_white_lianna.jpg

[WordsofWisdom]

You know, I hate to put to much into the time thing, just because in my household, every clock is different.

Yeah but that is a HUGE discrepancy! HUGE.
From the time the first call reporting it to the time he said she left.

[Mabel]

It also seems kind of strange to me that she would leave for work at 6:15 when work is only 5 minutes away and she doesn't start until 7.

*thanks for the invite, Cass*

[mom-a-licious]

It isn't at all unusual for someone who works in a hospital unit to get to work at least half an hour before the shift starts (in this case, 7am shift). Nurses and clerks need to be there during the "shift change". This is a crucial time when those leaving their shift pass on all the important info to the oncoming shift. You can't just get there at 7 or even just 10 minutes before your shift starts; there has to be a transition period between the two shifts.

[lostfaith]

It isn't at all unusual for someone who works in a hospital unit to get to work at least half an hour before the shift starts (in this case, 7am shift). Nurses and clerks need to be there during the "shift change". This is a crucial time when those leaving their shift pass on all the important info to the oncoming shift. You can't just get there at 7 or even just 10 minutes before your shift starts; there has to be a transition period between the two shifts.

that sounds reasonable to me!

[fourboys]

Man appeals for return of missing pregnant wife

CTV.ca News Staff
Updated Wed. Jul. 13 2005

A man whose pregnant wife disappeared while on her way to work sobbed and broke down in tears Wednesday as he pleaded for her return.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Her disappearance has prompted an intense search by police and civilian volunteers in the couple's suburban Edmonton neighbourhood.

"My wife is a good person, never hurts anybody, never would. She would never hurt a fly. She is a gentle person," Michael White told CTV News.

"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."

Police made an appeal of their own Wednesday, asking for the public's help in their search.

White, who is four months pregnant with her second child, was last seen by her husband at 6:15 a.m. when she left in her green medical scrubs for a downtown hospital where she works.

Police say the driver's door of her 1991 brown Ford Explorer was found open and her purse and keys were inside.

White's wallet was missing, her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot and her cellphone was found in the grass 15 metres away.

There were no signs of a struggle.

Detectives were checking numerous tips and continued to canvass neighbourhoods.

"We are asking everybody and anybody if they saw anything unusual," said police spokeswoman Lisa Lammi.

"Don't discount anything you think is unusual or irregular."

Police say White has never disappeared before and never failed to show up for work without calling.

Homicide, robbery, traffic and forensic investigators were brought in to help.

Civilian volunteers flagged down rush-hour traffic Tuesday and handed out flyers with the missing woman's photo. Police searched the family's house and seized the vehicle for forensic analysis.

Neighbours on the crescent where the couple have lived for four years are in shock.

White is known as a quiet, friendly woman. The couple's first child, a girl, is just a toddler.

Lammi said police wouldn't comment on a tip that White's abandoned vehicle was reported in the area before 6:15 a.m. -- the time her husband said White left for work.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121278830584_116688030?hub=topstories

[Casshew]

Lammi said police wouldn't comment on a tip that White's abandoned vehicle was reported in the area before 6:15 a.m. -- the time her husband said White left for work.
Hmmmm......

[FacTink]

Nopey nope nope.

Something is wrong with this picture. My daughter is an RN. Yes she has to go to work far earlier than the exact hour she has to clock in, they have to do rounds or whatever it is called when they update one another before taking over a shift.

My problems with this:
* 2 people saw the car earlier than husband reported, not 1 but TWO and they seemed sure of themselves
* Husband knows when that woman went to work, she went on a regular basis, thus his report YET the time seeing the vehicle disputed by two witnesses (was he hoping he could get away with the time, or is this for real? feels very strange to me)
* Would she have gone in earlier for some reason? Doubtful, it was morning, who purposely gets up earlier when you are already leaving 45 minutes early for a 5 mile trek and you don't have to report to work until 40 minutes after that.
* Why the heck would this girl pull off the road and into that place, seems she mighta got that this would have been a sign of danger and done anything to avoid it PLUS it appears this was not an abandoned place...we already know of 2 witnesses...did the husband not realize that there were walkers or whatever that hung out here at that time of morning?
* Was this girl known to go there and walk before work? If not...then why was she there? Because she responded to someone rough housing her on the road...she had a Ford Explorer - seems to me she could have handled that.

This sounds like a stage to me for some reason. What kinda quote is this, is it for real?

>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

It almost sounds like SP speak. Does it make sense to anyone?

FT

[sandraladeda]

It also seems kind of strange to me that she would leave for work at 6:15 when work is only 5 minutes away and she doesn't start until 7.

*thanks for the invite, Cass*Edmonton is my home town, and I am quite sure that, if she was living in Castle Downs, as I read in one article, it would take longer than 5 minutes to get to work. More like 20, I would guess.

Also, my hubby leaves for work very early. If I don't have to keep track of the time for my own schedule, I can be way off in my estimate of how early or late he has actually left the house. This doesn't mean much to me, on it's own.

I think it will be more telling how exactly the hubby acts over the coming days.

Oh I PRAY this is not another Laci Peterson kind of story....

[sandraladeda]

Nopey nope nope.

Something is wrong with this picture. My daughter is an RN. Yes she has to go to work far earlier than the exact hour she has to clock in, they have to do rounds or whatever it is called when they update one another before taking over a shift.

My problems with this:
* 2 people saw the car earlier than husband reported, not 1 but TWO and they seemed sure of themselves
* Husband knows when that woman went to work, she went on a regular basis, thus his report YET the time seeing the vehicle disputed by two witnesses (was he hoping he could get away with the time, or is this for real? feels very strange to me)
* Would she have gone in earlier for some reason? Doubtful, it was morning, who purposely gets up earlier when you are already leaving 45 minutes early for a 5 mile trek and you don't have to report to work until 40 minutes after that.
* Why the heck would this girl pull off the road and into that place, seems she mighta got that this would have been a sign of danger and done anything to avoid it.
* Was this girl known to go there and walk before work? If not...then why was she there? Because she responded to someone rough housing her on the road...she had a Ford Explorer - seems to me she could have handled that.

This sounds like a stage to me for some reason. What kinda quote is this, is it for real?

>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

It almost sounds like SP speak. Does it make sense to anyone?

FT"Scott-speak" included referring to Laci in the past tense. So far, this has not been the case...

[Casshew]

>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<


'just stay there' = don't you dare surface?

'I will find you' = I know where you are?

[FacTink]

The quote...

>>Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

Scott speak was not merely referring to Laci in the past tense. It was contorted...twisted tenses, pronouns, word usage and so on...

Look at the above...

"Who ever has her" should be followed by a beseech to bargain to return her or return her or whatever. The following...

"If she is out there and you see me" NO NO NO... That is tweaked text in my mind. This is this man's wife... "IF YOU ARE OUT THERE AND YOU SEE ME" (followed by something reasonable) or "If she is out there and you have her..." again followed by something reasonable.

I don't hear, "Honey...if you are out there and you see me now, I want you to know we are going to find and help you, don't lose hope, be careful, I love you."

Nopey nope nope, if that was a real quote...if feels really odd to me.

FT

[FacTink]

More thinking on this one..."If she is out there..."

Well...odd... "She" is home, or "she" is known to be at work (or somewhere in particular with an expected time of return home) OR she "IS OUT THERE" dead or in someone's hands.

The "distance" in the "if she is" troubles me for some reason. BUT AGAIN, is this really a quote from him?

FT

[Casshew]

In all fairness to the guy, he could just be rattled to the core and worried sick - not making sense, extremely stressed... I don't know if I would be able to string together a coherant sentence if my daughter/husband was missing.... so he may not be involved at all... just confused on the time she left and/or completely stressed out.

He would know Laci was found dead, he could be scared out of his wits

[sandraladeda]

FT, you may very well be right. But just as with the Laci "disappearance", I just can't yet face the possibility that a young pregnant woman might have died at the hand of the man she married. So until we know more, I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt - maybe he's just upset and confused. Who would be coherent after their pregnant wife has been missing for over a day?

imo

[sandraladeda]

In all fairness to the guy, he could just be rattled to the core and worried sick - not making sense, extremely stressed... I don't know if I would be able to string together a coherant sentence if my daughter/husband was missing.... so he may not be involved at all... just confused on the time she left and/or completely stressed out.

He would know Laci was found dead, he could be scared out of his witsGood point (:dance: I posted almost the same thing, lol), but just to add, remember how much people suspected the Runaway Bride's fiance? And it turned out he was not involved at all....

[Casshew]

Good point (:dance: I posted almost the same thing, lol), but just to add, remember how much people suspected the Runaway Bride's fiance? And it turned out he was not involved at all....
I went to a funeral on Sunday for one of our employees who died of cancer, I was so upset, felt so much stress being there, I couldn't speak to anyone - I couldn't talk for a long time after leaving the service...

Stress effects people in different ways.. he has a little toddler to worry about too. The time difference on the sighting of the vehicle is very suspicious... but we should cut the guy some slack.

I wonder if they can track her cell phone signal/towers- if she made a call, or recieved a call?

[FacTink]

Ladies, if it were me missing and my husband fritzed, God only knows what his response would be. Certainly whacked. When he returned home to find a note on the door that said, "By the time you get this, you might already be a father" - instead of heading to the hospital, he went around the back of our apartment, found a small bathroom window (he had no key), climbed in it with his tool bags on (spilling nails everywhere, as they were in his pouch), took a shower and then eventually arrived at the hospital. Strange...but I think I have done stranger when he has had a medical emergency and I was out of my mind, certainly not thinking straight.

Nope...I don't get it. And YES we all make completely imbecilic statements. So...yes, we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt...and just because Scott did what he did does NOT mean this guy did anything but love his wife.

I must say however, that the 5:55am and 6:00am witness accounts of the car, the way things were scattered, that she was not on the road but pulled off into that place, the weirdness of the statement attributed to the guy, well...for the moment my antennae are up.

Just how much traffic does the route she take have at 6:15am to however long it would have taken her to get to work in reality?

On the other hand, what do we know? Could she have left earlier to meet with the "real father" of her baby (is that at all possible, was there someone else involved?) and the guy took the opportunity to thwack her? And whats with the phone flying...she was trying to make a call for help, someone smacked her arm to stop her and it went flying?

Too many unanswered questions at the moment. Suffice to say I am very sad, I don't like the way this looks at the moment. Wouldn't it just be so nice if this "was" a runaway type of story, but she has a toddler? Visions of going and abducting her child later? Stranger things have happened...

Ho humm....

FT

[fourboys]

Husband appeals for wife's return

Last updated Jul 13 2005
CBC News

The husband of a pregnant woman who disappeared on her way to work made a televised plea for her safe return Wednesday.

"My wife is a good person, never hurts anybody, never would," Michael White said on CFRN. "She would never hurt a fly. She is a gentle person.

"If whoever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, just stay there and I will find you. I will find you."

In a media scrum later in the day, White thanked the police and media for helping publicize her disappearance.

"Liana, just hold on, hold tight," he said.

Liana White, who is four months pregnant, hasn't been seen since first thing Tuesday morning, when she left for work.

The 29-year-old's brown Ford Explorer was found abandoned in the parking lot of a playing field behind the Castledowns YMCA – about two kilometres from her home – with the keys inside and the door wide open.

Police say her purse, some identification and a pair of shoes were found near the SUV. More identification and her cellphone were found in an area northwest of the parking lot.

Homicide detectives are leading the investigation, but Det. Ernie Schreiber says they are treating it as a missing person's case.

"We're just being careful about how we investigate this," he said, adding Michael White is not considered a suspect.

Police, who have canvassed the area and given flyers to drivers who take the same route as White, are asking people to check their backyards for anything unusual.

Colleagues have told police it isn't like White, who has a young daughter, to not show up for work or to not call.

"It's very uncharacteristic of this lady to not show up at work," acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski said. "She hasn't called anybody, so that's why we're treating this as very suspicious."

White was last seen at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work as a clerk in the neo-natal unit of the Royal Alexandra Hospital. She was likely wearing surgical scrubs.

Police say they first received a call about the abandoned SUV at 7:27 a.m.

But Marie Olah says she first called police after seeing the vehicle in the parking lot on her way to the gym, before 6 a.m. – before White is said to have left for work.

Other media reports quote a second person who says he also saw the Explorer in the parking lot around 5:55 a.m.

A police spokeswoman said they wouldn't comment on the apparent discrepancy.

"I do know that is being investigated," Lisa Lammi said.

http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-missing-husband20050713

[mysteriew]

Did she possibly wear one pair of shoes to work and carry her work shoes? The shoes being there is odd. I wish I knew if they were upright, or near together, or how they were situated. Nurses normally wear well fitted shoes, usually tied on or snug on the feet. So the shoes being there is very much out of the ordinary.

[sandraladeda]

I just watched the husband being interviewed on the local news (I'm in Calgary, about 3 hours south of Edmonton, so I get the news), and I have to say that his grief seemed pretty genuine. I could not help but compare him to a relatively unemotional SP in his early interviews, and this guy was sweating, breathing heavy, seemed very overwrought, and broke down in tears at the end.

I pray for the sake of their little girl that the father is cleared of any involvement. I cannot imagine this child losing both her parents. I pray to God that the mother is found, and that there is SOME kind of explanation.

[blueclouds]

This is in our neighbourhood. We live just outside of Edmonton. I was just chatting with hubby about this at supper time. Something is up.... you see him on TV and he looked like he really had to force tears out. He'd start to "cry" and it was only after a few "gulping" sentences that the tears flowed.

My husband said at first, but if he was at home in the morning how could he have done it???

I said simple, he did it in the middle of the night.... staged it all and came home.

His words were very strange in deed.

[sandraladeda]

This is in our neighbourhood. We live just outside of Edmonton. I was just chatting with hubby about this at supper time. Something is up.... you see him on TV and he looked like he really had to force tears out. He'd start to "cry" and it was only after a few "gulping" sentences that the tears flowed.

My husband said at first, but if he was at home in the morning how could he have done it???

I said simple, he did it in the middle of the night.... staged it all and came home.

His words were very strange in deed.Hi Blue, I thought this neighborhood was very close to you, I was wondering what your thoughts were.

It's interesting how we all see things so differently, 'cuz I just thought he seemed very overwrought. I ws watching for the usual body language of a liar, like rubbing his nose. I just didn't see it.

I admit, I am likely biased, because I SO want it to NOT be the husband. If something terrible has happened to Lianna, I'd hate for her toddler to lose her daddy as well.

Praying...

[browneyes]

Thanks for the head up!!

So sad!! :(

[heavenlydaze]

Quote from post #4:

"A second citizen reported a suspicious vehicle parked at the ball diamond, which police later seized and took in for forensic identification processing."

There were TWO vehicles? Maybe the SUV the jogger saw earlier wasn't Lianna's? Just wonderin'.

[Casshew]

Liana White:

http://calgary.cbc.ca/indepth/images/ab_white_lianna.jpg Gee she looks a lot like Runaway bride :eek: (prettier though and no freaky eyes)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0509051inside1.jpg

[FacTink]

Hello mysteriew,

The shoes are odd to me too. Many in our medical units here wear "clogs" of some sort these days (slip on/slip off) OR some type of sport shoe (an air-sole tennis shoe, tie on.) Here, our people are doing 12 hour shifts and if they are on their legs, you can bet these shoes are important.

So...it would be curious what type of shoes these were, in what position they were in and so on. I agree. I suppose that if I was having a battle with someone, I would be slinging thick soled shoes at them or up in the air hoping someone/anyone would see my plight.

And what is this second vehicle mentioned?

Dang it...where are the newspaper articles, I had hoped I wouldn't have to research these...I'm researching something else in my "real world" :)

FT

[tybee204]

She dosent look like a 5'4 190 lb woman on that picture. her face is very narrow. I wonder if that is an old picture?

[blueclouds]

Hi Blue, I thought this neighborhood was very close to you, I was wondering what your thoughts were.

It's interesting how we all see things so differently, 'cuz I just thought he seemed very overwrought. I ws watching for the usual body language of a liar, like rubbing his nose. I just didn't see it.

I admit, I am likely biased, because I SO want it to NOT be the husband. If something terrible has happened to Lianna, I'd hate for her toddler to lose her daddy as well.

Praying...

Maybe I'm just being biased because of all the "cases" we read here, there and everywhere. If I think about it, I thought "It's probably the husband" BEFORE I even saw him on TV. So to be fair, I'll watch the 11pm news and try to look with fresh eyes.

RE: the 190lbs.... I thought it was a regular picture but I wonder because she's pregnant, maybe she gains weight fast.

[Casshew]

This is her hubby
http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_michael_white_050713.jpg


This is her SUV found abandoned
http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_suv_050713.jpg

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/edjn/20050713/60162-19830.jpg

[nightowl]

It's interesting that the SUV was parked only a few blocks from the home and within walking distance from the home. It makes me think of Mark Hacking. Didn't he drive Lori's car to the park and walk back home? I agree that the reported evidence seems like staging.

[Casshew]

It makes me think of Mark Hacking.
He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

[otto]

He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

I think we should also keep in mind that there is a serial killer on the loose in Edmonton and there is always the possibility that this person has graduated from prostitutes to other types of victims. I seem to recall that one of the serial killer victims was not a prostitute. Also, the morning Liana went missing another girl was brutally raped and beaten in Banff, a 4-5 hour drive away. It just seems a little coincidental that something happened to two women in less than 24 hours when reports of things like this are so rare.

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

I saw the husband on the news and was a little confused when he said that if she sees the report to stay put, that someone will find her. Maybe he is really stressed and not making much sense. I thought the tears were genuine.

[lostfaith]

It's interesting that the SUV was parked only a few blocks from the home and within walking distance from the home. It makes me think of Mark Hacking. Didn't he drive Lori's car to the park and walk back home? I agree that the reported evidence seems like staging.

Funny you mention Mark Hacking, cuz when I saw this guy's picture, that who he reminded me of, and her, she reminds me of the run away bride. I have not yet seen him live on t.v. , so I can not comment on how genuine he is. Still with holding an opinion until more comes out.

[lostfaith]

He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

Sorry, didnt see your post. I agree, almost uncanny!

[lostfaith]

I think we should also keep in mind that there is a serial killer on the loose in Edmonton and there is always the possibility that this person has graduated from prostitutes to other types of victims. I seem to recall that one of the serial killer victims was not a prostitute. Also, the morning Liana went missing another girl was brutally raped and beaten in Banff, a 4-5 hour drive away. It just seems a little coincidental that something happened to two women in less than 24 hours when reports of things like this are so rare.

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

I saw the husband on the news and was a little confused when he said that if she sees the report to stay put, that someone will find her. Maybe he is really stressed and not making much sense. I thought the tears were genuine.


Or, maybe someone was hiding in her car? I always check that, but those SUV's are so big, it is hard to see in the back unless you climb in and hard to see thru the window cuz most of the time the back ones are tinted.

[otto]

Or, maybe someone was hiding in her car? I always check that, but those SUV's are so big, it is hard to see in the back unless you climb in and hard to see thru the window cuz most of the time the back ones are tinted.

Here's a link to the murders in Edmonton: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/edmonton_murders/

This guy gets around alot and seems to be pretty comfortable in rural areas and he's due to strike again.

[lisa0477]

Or, maybe someone was hiding in her car? I always check that, but those SUV's are so big, it is hard to see in the back unless you climb in and hard to see thru the window cuz most of the time the back ones are tinted.


Ever since reading the BTK murders, I do this also. I will sometimes keep the interior light on. I am a big chicken now. :chicken:

[lauriej]

This is in our neighbourhood. We live just outside of Edmonton. I was just chatting with hubby about this at supper time. Something is up.... you see him on TV and he looked like he really had to force tears out. He'd start to "cry" and it was only after a few "gulping" sentences that the tears flowed.

My husband said at first, but if he was at home in the morning how could he have done it???

I said simple, he did it in the middle of the night.... staged it all and came home.

His words were very strange in deed.
......i'm also south of edmonton..

...i saw him on the news, and ( yes, like a poster noted, i immediatly make the 'mark hacking connection ' in looks...)

...my initial impression of the guy was that he didn't look genuine at all.......almost like he trying too hard to LOOK grief stricken..it just didn't ring true to me...

...i also have a couple of freinds who work in hospitals.........they tell me that they leave their work shoes there in their locker.......of course i'm not saying that everyone does.........

....hope i'm wrong about the guy, but he gives off bad vibes...

[sandraladeda]

[QUOTE=otto]

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

QUOTE]
Funny you should mention this. I remember back at Christmas 1985 or 1986 maybe, in the San Diego area, a young lady went missing, and was eventually found murdered just off of a main freeway. Her family swore she was very safety conscious and could not fathom a reason she would stop her car and put herself at risk. I remember being very puzzled by this case. Eventually, a police officer was arrested for her murder. He had indicated to her to pull over at a deserted freeway exit, sort of a dead end exit, if I recall correctly. Who says no to a cop?

No, I'm not suggesting a cop pulled Lianna White over, but it is possible that she was given a reason to stop, possibly by someone she knew?

[lostfaith]

[QUOTE=otto]

As for the route that Liana took to work, I got the impression that she was following her normal route. Another possibility is that someone flashed lights at to try to tell her that something was wrong with her vehicle and she pulled over.

QUOTE]
Funny you should mention this. I remember back at Christmas 1985 or 1986 maybe, in the San Diego area, a young lady went missing, and was eventually found murdered just off of a main freeway. Her family swore she was very safety conscious and could not fathom a reason she would stop her car and put herself at risk. I remember being very puzzled by this case. Eventually, a police officer was arrested for her murder. He had indicated to her to pull over at a deserted freeway exit, sort of a dead end exit, if I recall correctly. Who says no to a cop?

No, I'm not suggesting a cop pulled Lianna White over, but it is possible that she was given a reason to stop, possibly by someone she knew?

There was just in my area a situation where someone was pulling over young girls in our area. They were not police, but they had a red flashing light in their vehicle and a speaker. Thankfully the young girls both got suspisious (sp) and pulled away before the person approached the car. The "officer" never chased them. So there was a write up in the paper and the police were warning people telling them that ALL cop cars, even unmarked, has both Red AND blue lights. They also said that if you do not feel safe pulling over in a certain area that you should put on your flasher, slow down, and proceed to a well lit area with people around, then tell the officer you did not feel safe in the original area he tried to pull you over in. They will not ticket you.

[Casshew]

Here's a link to the murders in Edmonton: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/edmonton_murders/

This guy gets around alot and seems to be pretty comfortable in rural areas and he's due to strike again.
That's a lot of dead women.... :eek: the article states the police have nothing to link them to the same killer, why is their no DNA or other evidence?

[otto]

That's a lot of dead women.... :eek: the article states the police have nothing to link them to the same killer, why is their no DNA or other evidence?

I think a few of the victims were burned. Also, since the bodies were sometimes found weeks later in isolated rural areas, weather and decomposition destroyed pretty much all evidence.

[Casshew]

aother pic of hubby ~ visibly emotional
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/14/edmnews.jpg

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/mtgz/20050714/70523-23187.jpg

[fourboys]

Husband to missing wife
'hold tight': Pregnant mother of one:
Michael White says thank you for 'looking for Liana'

Florence Loyie
CanWest News Service
Thursday, July 14, 2005

EDMONTON - She is four months pregnant with a second child, a woman said to be quiet, friendly and always ready with a bright smile. And she has been missing -- without a trace -- for more than two days.

As an Edmonton police helicopter circled over her suburban neighbourhood yesterday, an emotional Mike White stepped from his home to thank those involved in the search for his missing wife, 29-year-old Liana White.

"Liana, hold tight," Mr. White said, fighting to maintain his composure as he stepped before television cameras.

Police are treating the disappearance as suspicious because she has never gone missing before and has never before failed to show up for work without calling.

Ms. White's first child, Ashley, is still just a toddler.

Neighbours on the winding suburban crescent where Ms. White and her husband have lived for four years are in shock.

"This is so scary. It is hard to even imagine what happened. For her to disappear like this is just so out of character," said neighbour Barb Jama, tears welling in her eyes.

As two homicide detectives looked on, Mr. White, an ex-military man and heavy duty mechanic, said he wanted to thank those involved in the massive search for his pregnant wife, who went missing on Tuesday morning about 10 blocks from her home.

"Thanks to everyone involved in looking. Thank you. Thanks for the media and their support and for making it known who she is. And to all the officers and detectives on the case, thank you. That is all I have to say at this time," Mr. White said before walking back to his home, his head down, his shoulders slumped.

Edmonton police Detective Brian Robertson placed his hand on Mr. White's shoulder to comfort him as they walked up the front steps.

Police have noted before how "very distraught" Mr. White was when he learned Ms. White's movements could not be accounted for.

The couple lives on the kind of street that shuts down for summer block parties, a place where neighbours chat at the end of the driveway -- the perfect place to raise a family.

Now the neighbourhood is being treated as a possible crime scene, with police canine units scrambling over parks and an Edmonton police helicopter hovering overhead.

Police said they are using all available resources as the search for Ms. White entered its second day. They are asking for the public's continued assistance in finding the woman.

Homicide, robbery, traffic and forensic units were brought in to help with the search.

Plainclothes surveillance units were taken off regular duty to canvass the neighbourhood. Civilian volunteers flagged down rush-hour traffic and handed out flyers with the young mother's photo, and civilian search-and-rescue teams combed the area.

Investigators checked with family, local hospitals and emergency medical services, to no avail.

"Residents are urged to check their backyards to see if there is anything unusual or out of place," said Lisa Lammi, of Edmonton police.

"Officers will also continue their door-to-door interviews asking for any information that can bring them closer to finding Liana White."

Ms. White was last seen by her husband on Tuesday at 6:15 a.m., when she left for the Royal Alexandra Hospital, where she works as a clerk in the neo-natal intensive care unit.

Ms. White's 1991 Ford Explorer was later discovered in a baseball diamond parking lot after police received a call about an abandoned vehicle on Tuesday.

The driver's door was wide open and Ms. White's purse and keys remained inside. Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot. More identification was found in the northwest corner of the ballpark and her cellphone was found switched off in the grass about 15 metres from the SUV.

There were no signs of a struggle, no drag marks and no blood.

Police have received a number of tips since Ms. White's disappearance, some from passersby who say they saw the SUV abandoned in the parking as early as 5 a.m.

Others reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked at the nearby ball diamond; police later seized the vehicle, taking it in for forensic identification processing.

Detective Ernie Schreiber said investigators are concentrating their efforts on finding Ms. White, and refused to say whether her husband is being considered a suspect in the disappearance.

On Tuesday night, the ex-military man was with police.

Ms. White is described as 5- feet-4 and about 190 pounds. She has a fair complexion, brown eyes and brown hair that falls halfway down her back. She is likely wearing green medical scrubs.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=3e242b87-54e1-4d4c-bd6e-23e35dde4d8c

[tuppence]

so now people say they saw the car at 5 AM? sorry this doesn't look good for the hubby.

[kahskye]

so now people say they saw the car at 5 AM? sorry this doesn't look good for the hubby.
5 AM? Do you think maybe that was a typo?

I'm not sure what to think yet. I know I couldn't give an exact time my dh leaves in the morning because it varies between 6:15 & 6:45. Could someone have lifted her and knocked off her shoes so her footsteps couldn't be traced?

[gagesmom314]

I think it is pretty quick to judge the husband. I know if I were in his shoes I wouldn't know what to do or say. The emotions going through your system would probably cause you not to think 100%. I also never know what time my fiance leaves for work. I can tell you it is normally between 8:00 and 8:45. I just hate to think that while this man is going through what is probably the worst point in his life there are people who have already put the guilty stamp on him.

[angarella]

He looks like Mark Hacking too :eek:

OMG, that was my thought exactly!

[kato]

You know, I hate to put to much into the time thing, just because in my household, every clock is different. my oldest sets the microwave clock at what his school clock is at, my husband sets his alarm clock for his work time clock. My car is set 10 min. fast so that if I am out bumming before I have to go to work, I am never late. Every clock in our house is different. I do not know if our family is just a little wierd, or if other people do this too?

All my clocks are 10-15 min. fast. It trips my BF out.

[mysteriew]

Most hosp. start their first shift at 7 am. Nurses will start arriving at 6:15 am at the earliest, unless they are meeting someone for coffee, etc. Most won't arrive until 6:30 am.
The time discreptancy really bothers me, the two witnesses that saw the vehicle in the lot so much earlier than the time she supposedly left for work. Now it could be the hubby said that she left that time, because that was her usual time to leave, but he may not have had to get up for work until later and would sleep in til he had to get up and get ready. But why wouldn't he have said that?
Also the two shoes being found bothers me as they may have come off in a struggle.
And the id being strewn around? Another sign of struggle? Or did she have those in her hand as she was being dragged and was dropping them to show which way she was being taken?
There are some pretty weird things here.

[kato]

Cass:

Thanks for the link. Interesting case. Please keep us posted.

[Observer]

I never know the exact time my hubby leaves for work unless I check, but I do know that he always leaves within 5 minutes of his regular time. The only time he leaves differently is if he has something extra to do and he always mentions it. So I would think that the hubby's timeline is referring to when she usually leaves and the fact that her car was spotted earlier doesn't look good for him.
JMHO

[kato]

Cass:

Thanks for the link. Interesting case. Please keep us updated.

[fourboys]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/14/1130977-sun.html

[fourboys]

Investigation continues into pregnant woman's disappearance

Last updated Jul 14 2005
CBC News

Forty-eight hours after Liana White went missing, friends say they're hoping for the best but fearing the worst.

Police are still treating her disappearance as a missing person's case, but as standard procedure, homicide detectives are involved should the worst happen.

"We're just being careful about how we investigate this," Det. Ernie Schreiber said after interviewing White's husband Wednesday, adding Michael White is not considered a suspect.

Michael White last saw his 29-year-old wife, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday, as she left for work as a clerk at the Royal Alexandra Hospital.

Her brown Ford Explorer was found abandoned in the parking lot of a playing field behind the Castledowns YMCA – about two kilometres from her home – with the keys inside and the door wide open.

Police say her purse, some identification and a pair of shoes were found near the SUV. More identification and her cellphone were found in an area northwest of the parking lot.

Police have been canvassing the neighbourhood, and with the help of volunteers, distributing flyers with Liana White's picture on it.

"I do hope she's OK," neighbour Dena Gallant said. "I'm just praying that we don't hear something bad. Who knows? Maybe they had a fight, maybe she left. You don't really know what happened.

"And until the evidence comes in to show something different, you just kind of hope for the best and pray the worst hasn't happened."

Sherri Unger, who works with White in the neo-natal unit at the Royal Alex, says she can't believe her friend would just disappear.

"It's very strange. Very strange. It's not within her character at all just to go missing like that," Unger said. "Very energetic, very outspoken, very charismatic. She was a good person."

Wednesday, Michael White made a televised plea for his wife's return, saying she would never hurt anyone.

"If whoever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, just stay there and I will find you. I will find you," he said.

In a media scrum later in the day, White thanked the police and media for helping publicize her disappearance.

"Liana, just hold on, hold tight," he said.

Police are also investigating what may be discrepancies in the timeline of White's disappearance. While Michael White said she left home at 6:15 a.m., at least two people have said they saw her SUV in the parking lot behind the YMCA before 6 a.m.

http://edmonton.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ed-missing-white20050714

[Jess]

I live just west of Edmonton. My initial reaction to seeing the husband on tv was that he looked like Mark Hacking and talked 'scottspeak" I rewatched the interview after hearing of the two witnesses who had supposedly seen the vehicle earlier than the supposed departure time.Gosh darn !! Was it my imagination or did he look to the left and down ? I hate being so suspicious!It certainly would take longer than 5 minutes to get from her subdivision to the Royal Alex, and goodness knows how far her parking spot is from the hospital.As of 11:16 Mountain Time, there is no news.

[Jess]

As of 11:18 Mountain Time, there is no news. I live just west of the city and have been listening to the local news.Just wondering about the discrepancy from when he said he saw her leave for work to when the two witnesses say they saw the SUV.

[nightowl]

"The driver's door was wide open and Ms. White's purse and keys remained inside. Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot. More identification was found in the northwest corner of the ballpark and her cellphone was found switched off in the grass about 15 metres from the SUV."

This part of the report has me thinking about possible scenarios. Here are some thoughts I am trying to pull together.

Her purse was in the car, but the wallet was missing. I would assume she would keep the wallet in the purse. If so, someone took the wallet out of the purse. Why would someone take the wallet but not the whole purse?

Maybe someone did manage to get her to pull over, and demanded that she go with him and also demanded that she bring her wallet?

Since she was so quiet and sweet, as has been reported, she may not have tried to fight much, if at all. If the perpetrator had a weapon, she may have just gone with him out of fear -- thus no signs of a struggle.

As for the cell phone. Maybe she secretly grabbed the cell phone along with her wallet -- and as the perpetrator took her from the scene he discovered she had it, and he tossed it.

As for the ID -- perhaps it was a hospital ID badge or something like that. Maybe it fell off or she removed it and dropped it as a silent call for help?

About the shoes, I'm having a harder time thinking of a possible explanation. It doesn't seem like she would get out of the vehicle with her wallet, cell phone, and carrying her shoes. Maybe she drives without her shoes on. When the perpetrator pulled her over, and demanded she go with him -- maybe she grabbed her shoes to put them on outside the car. The perpetrator was impatient and took her just barefooted or sock-footed. Her shoes were left there by the car.

I wonder what other forms of ID were found?

It's really strange. Usually we have very little evidence to go on. This crime scene, however, has evidence scattered all over it -- but none of it readily makes any sense.

[nightowl]

More thoughts --

If the perpetrator was in a vehicle and managed to get Liana to pull over -- wouldn't he just pull her a short distance into his vehicle? Why would her things then be scattered off in various directions? Maybe she handed the perp her wallet and then tried to run, but he caught her and hauled her back?

Then again, if the perp was already in the car when she got in it to go to work -- then I think her body would be found somewhere nearby where her SUV was left. The perp wouldn't have a vehicle to take her to. Unless it was all planned and he had a vehicle waiting for himself somewhere (like in the Groene case). This would indicate she may have had a stalker.

Sorry if this is starting to be a bit too much "stream of consiousness" as I type. I'm having too many thoughts right now and I'm trying to keep them straight!

[mom-a-licious]

Why would Liana's wallet be missing, and she's missing, but her purse is still in the car? She pulled the car over, someone took the time to remove her wallet from her purse, and then abducted her, leaving the purse behind? With no signs of a struggle?

Why not just take her, and leave the purse and wallet, or if wanting the wallet too, take the whole purse?

If a serial killer has abucted someone, a total stranger, they usually don't take the time to make it look like a robbery---they don't care, they just want the victim and it makes no difference to them if it clearly looks like an abduction took place.

Why would someone get her to pull her car over, not just on the side of the road, but in a parking lot, just to take her wallet out of her purse, then decide to take her also?

And absolutely no signs of a struggle, despite more ID, cell phone, and shoes found scattered nearby. Wonder if Liana was ever actually in her car that morning, if there are any signs that she was actually taken from the vehicle at the site where it was found.

[nightowl]

Why would Liana's wallet be missing, and she's missing, but her purse is still in the car? She pulled the car over, someone took the time to remove her wallet from her purse, and then abducted her, leaving the purse behind? With no signs of a struggle?

Why not just take her, and leave the purse and wallet, or if wanting the wallet too, take the whole purse?

If a serial killer has abucted someone, a total stranger, they usually don't take the time to make it look like a robbery---they don't care, they just want the victim and it makes no difference to them if it clearly looks like an abduction took place.

Why would someone get her to pull her car over, not just on the side of the road, but in a parking lot, just to take her wallet out of her purse, then decide to take her also?

And absolutely no signs of a struggle, despite more ID, cell phone, and shoes found scattered nearby. Wonder if Liana was ever actually in her car that morning, if there are any signs that she was actually taken from the vehicle at the site where it was found.
Good thought. I wonder if they have used tracking dogs and what the results were.

[Jess]

" The mystery deepens" --Global Edmonton," especially the discrepancy of times. The Police Department is expected to hold a press conference this afternoon."

[Mabel]

If whoever abducted her was pretending to be a police officer, she may have taken her wallet out of her purse to show her driver's license. I can't understand why the police are saying there was no sign of a struggle. Don't her belongings scattered all over the place indicate that there WAS a struggle?

[otto]

5 AM? Do you think maybe that was a typo?

I'm not sure what to think yet. I know I couldn't give an exact time my dh leaves in the morning because it varies between 6:15 & 6:45. Could someone have lifted her and knocked off her shoes so her footsteps couldn't be traced?

Some jobs have more flexiibility than others in terms of when people arrive at work. Nurses and teachers are two professions that cannot be late so I think it's safe to assume that they leave for work at the same time everyday, depending on weather.

190 pounds wouldn't be that easy to pick up and carry away.

[forbidn2u2]

Some jobs have more flexiibility than others in terms of when people arrive at work. Nurses and teachers are two professions that cannot be late so I think it's safe to assume that they leave for work at the same time everyday, depending on weather.

190 pounds wouldn't be that easy to pick up and carry away.

I just noticed this statement in a recent article.

Though Liana was initially described by police as weighing 190 pounds, they yesterday said that may be revised to a lower weight, closer to 150 pounds.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/14/1130977-sun.html

[FacTink]

First...I hope someone will take good notes on the press conference:

Some thinking out loud (yes, stream of consciousness too)

"Michael White last saw his 29-year-old wife, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday, as she left for work as a clerk at the Royal Alexandra Hospital."

Did "he" say he saw her last at 6:15am when she left for work, were those his words, his statement. My feeling is that Darryl (the city worker) was taking a bus to work, probably his everyday schedule and it seems he would know when he would have to get to that bus, what time he left home to walk to the bus and so on (did the bus driver see him get on the bus at the stop.) Probably a fairly good witness. Olah, did she have a regular gym schedule. If so, she probably knew her routine and timing, plus it is said that she called on her way to and from work (were these calls recorded, most are.) My thinking is that almost anyone out at 5 to 6:15am had a "schedule" and could pin down times when they saw that vehicle fairly closely.

IF they all collaborate seeing that vehicle prior to 6:15am (5am, 5:50, 5:55), and IF the husband intimated that she was "just leaving for work" at 6:15am, we really do have very serious problem to get beyond i.e. his word is disputed by a number of witnesses to that empty vehicle.

The shoes...those have bothered me... Did she walk around that park for exercise everday early? If so, had she put her shoes down to switch to her walking shoes (for exercise?) But the anonymous neighbor said she left for work at 6:15 am daily. The neighbor didn't say, "she left at 4:45, went walking, came home, got ready for work, then left at 6:15am" Of course, maybe she wasn't asked that? Or maybe that wasn't known. But...did the husband offer that? No, it appears "he saw her well and leaving for work at 6:15am" - or so those words have been attributed to him.

Honestly...nailing down the witnesses, clarifying his statement takes care of a whole lot in terms of where to look for the perp first. IF there is no confusion when those things are looked at (and that shouldn't take long if you have people on a schedule who can back their statements), then the rest is what he did and where her body is now.

Hopefully the news conference will clarify whether the witness statements are correct. My gut feeling might be that the police are already very clear on a few things and maybe they are just letting the perp have a few days of free time to see if they will point him towards where the body is by some of his actions. I hate to say it... ON THE OTHER HAND...if the witness statements are not trustworthy, I guess then I look at everything else far more closely.

Questions in the meanwhile:
1 How visible is this parking area where the car was found, and from how many angles. How many commuters are commuting at that time in the am.
2 How many perps are perping at 5am in the morning
3 Why did she pull off there, were there other safe road side stops besides that park
4 Is it daylight at 5am in Edmonton
5 It seems like only a stranger would dare anything in a well lit and well seen place, but 5 am in the morning, 5:55am?
6 How many hours were her shifts? Why get up two hours before the shift and be out of the house if it is a long day (my daughter's shifts are twelve hours.) Most moms of a toddler would conserve their energy for their little one wouldn't they? The baby would be sleeping when she got ready for work, so save the energy by getting up a little later, and having the energy for the little one after work?

We know a neighbor saw her the night before when Ashley was petting the dog. The only other person to see her after that was who, husband? Who spoke to her on the telephone last?

We also had a neighbor conjecture, "Maybe they had a fight?" Has this neighbor heard one before or was this a typical reasonable guess.

Based on what we know so far with the witnesses, hate to say it, but my guess would be an imminent arrest of the husband BUT...could they arrest him without any other evidence?

Waiting for our "Edmonton" news conference listener's reports.

FT

[otto]

"The driver's door was wide open and Ms. White's purse and keys remained inside. Her wallet was missing and her identification and shoes were scattered around the parking lot. More identification was found in the northwest corner of the ballpark and her cellphone was found switched off in the grass about 15 metres from the SUV."


Here's another detail about the keys: "Police received a call yesterday morning after someone reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked in a gravel parking lot next to a soccer field. They found Liana White's brown Ford Explorer with a door wide open and keys inside, but not in the ignition."

If the keys were not in the ignition, then it looks like she pulled over and took her keys. I'm still leaning towards the possibility that someone tried to pull her over by flashing her lights to suggest that she had a flat tire or something. It looks like she pulled over, got out of her car with cell phone and wallet in hand and then someone grabbed her. He put her in his car and as he was leaving he threw the phone and the ID out the window.

[FacTink]

Yup, weight adjusted to 150 pounds. I had the same questions as Tybee. If those were recent pictures of Lianne, her face was so slender that it definitely defied a 5'4" 4 month pregnant woman at 190 pounds.

FT

[kahskye]

If whoever abducted her was pretending to be a police officer, she may have taken her wallet out of her purse to show her driver's license. I can't understand why the police are saying there was no sign of a struggle. Don't her belongings scattered all over the place indicate that there WAS a struggle?
That's exactly what I was thinking. If I was being pulled over by an officer, I would immediately grab my wallet to pull my driver's license out. Maybe she still had her wallet in her hand when she was grabbed and just didn't let go of it. If the shoes were slip on type, they may have just fallen off as she resisted him. Or maybe she took off running while still holding her wallet and grabbed her phone to try and call for help but the person caught up w/ her and grabbed her. The phone was taken from her, switch turned off and thrown and some of her identification fell from her wallet that was clutched in her other hand and maybe went unnoticed. Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.

Just my opinion . . . .

[FacTink]

>>Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.<<

I believe the reports so far indicate no evidence of dragging.

[otto]

First...I hope someone will take good notes on the press conference:

Some thinking out loud (yes, stream of consciousness too)

"Michael White last saw his 29-year-old wife, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday, as she left for work as a clerk at the Royal Alexandra Hospital."

Did "he" say he saw her last at 6:15am when she left for work, were those his words, his statement. My feeling is that Darryl (the city worker) was taking a bus to work, probably his everyday schedule and it seems he would know when he would have to get to that bus, what time he left home to walk to the bus and so on (did the bus driver see him get on the bus at the stop.) Probably a fairly good witness. Olah, did she have a regular gym schedule. If so, she probably knew her routine and timing, plus it is said that she called on her way to and from work (were these calls recorded, most are.) My thinking is that almost anyone out at 5 to 6:15am had a "schedule" and could pin down times when they saw that vehicle fairly closely.

IF they all collaborate seeing that vehicle prior to 6:15am (5am, 5:50, 5:55), and IF the husband intimated that she was "just leaving for work" at 6:15am, we really do have very serious problem to get beyond i.e. his word is disputed by a number of witnesses to that empty vehicle.

The shoes...those have bothered me... Did she walk around that park for exercise everday early? If so, had she put her shoes down to switch to her walking shoes (for exercise?) But the anonymous neighbor said she left for work at 6:15 am daily. The neighbor didn't say, "she left at 4:45, went walking, came home, got ready for work, then left at 6:15am" Of course, maybe she wasn't asked that? Or maybe that wasn't known. But...did the husband offer that? No, it appears "he saw her well and leaving for work at 6:15am" - or so those words have been attributed to him.

Honestly...nailing down the witnesses, clarifying his statement takes care of a whole lot in terms of where to look for the perp first. IF there is no confusion when those things are looked at (and that shouldn't take long if you have people on a schedule who can back their statements), then the rest is what he did and where her body is now.

Hopefully the news conference will clarify whether the witness statements are correct. My gut feeling might be that the police are already very clear on a few things and maybe they are just letting the perp have a few days of free time to see if they will point him towards where the body is by some of his actions. I hate to say it... ON THE OTHER HAND...if the witness statements are not trustworthy, I guess then I look at everything else far more closely.

Questions in the meanwhile:
1 How visible is this parking area where the car was found, and from how many angles. How many commuters are commuting at that time in the am.
2 How many perps are perping at 5am in the morning
3 Why did she pull off there, were there other safe road side stops besides that park
4 Is it daylight at 5am in Edmonton
5 It seems like only a stranger would dare anything in a well lit and well seen place, but 5 am in the morning, 5:55am?
6 How many hours were her shifts? Why get up two hours before the shift and be out of the house if it is a long day (my daughter's shifts are twelve hours.) Most moms of a toddler would conserve their energy for their little one wouldn't they? The baby would be sleeping when she got ready for work, so save the energy by getting up a little later, and having the energy for the little one after work?

We know a neighbor saw her the night before when Ashley was petting the dog. The only other person to see her after that was who, husband? Who spoke to her on the telephone last?

We also had a neighbor conjecture, "Maybe they had a fight?" Has this neighbor heard one before or was this a typical reasonable guess.

Based on what we know so far with the witnesses, hate to say it, but my guess would be an imminent arrest of the husband BUT...could they arrest him without any other evidence?

Waiting for our "Edmonton" news conference listener's reports.

FT

I've heard that the early morning hours are dangerous, don't remember where. 5 a.m., it's still pretty dark even with daylight savings time. Sunrise is at about 5:20 although the sun isn't really up yet for another hour.

There are similarities and differences to the Mark Hacking case. Differences are that they already had children, Mike White has a job and hasn't mislead anyone about what he does or plans to do. They lived in a family oriented neighbourhood for the last four years.

They've already searched the house and neighbourhood, making it clear that in any missing person case it's standard procedure to immediately do that. I'm sure they're still questioned Mike, going over all the details over and over again hoping that he'll remember something new.

[otto]

Yup, weight adjusted to 150 pounds. I had the same questions as Tybee. If those were recent pictures of Lianne, her face was so slender that it definitely defied a 5'4" 4 month pregnant woman at 190 pounds.

FT

One of the pictures on TV showed her face as being rounder so I think the picture on the news is probably from when she is not pregnant.

Here's a link: http://www.cfcn.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/B/20050713/missingedm?brand=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=missingedm&date=20050713&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav=home&subnav=fullstory (hope that link works)

[karmarama]

This is so scary and sad!


I live only minutes away from the park where her SUV was found! My Grandson plays in that park almost every day! :( My grand daughter was born this past July 1st in the hospital where she works.

I feel just sick that her purse and other personal items were found, it doesn't look too good!


ETA I could go and take a bunch of picture of the park if anyone wants to see the area?

[FacTink]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!

Anyone know when the news conference is? Has it been held? Is anyone reporting on this?

Hello karmarama,
I know what it feels like to have these tragedies hit so close. We STILL have the case of a murdered 18 year old in a "freeway commuter parking lot" near here that has never been solved. It makes me so sick for this girls family. Someone knows who did it, they have not been brought to justice, and this always feels very wrong to me. I still don't like driving by that place, I always think of this young girl. I always wonder WHY the perp has not been busted.

Yes karmarama, if you can take some pictures in and around that area, the streets, parking lot, the bus stops, anything that can help us get a clearer idea...that would be helpful. However, having said that...we might want to wait until the news conference today.

In the meanwhile, can anyone clarify to us whether corroborating witnesses, such as those that defy Mr. White's story, can be reason for suspecting/arresting him?

I don't want to condemn anyone before the truth is known, but witness times and White's time are as different as day and night so far.

FT

[Casshew]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE! I love when you speak Olde English :blowkiss:

[otto]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!

Anyone know when the news conference is? Has it been held? Is anyone reporting on this?

In the meanwhile, can anyone clarify to us whether corroborating witnesses, such as those that defy Mr. White's story, can be reason for suspecting/arresting him?

I don't want to condemn anyone before the truth is known, but witness times and White's time are as different as day and night so far.

FT

If there is a news conference, it won't be on the news until the 6 o'clock news. Mike White can't be arrested unless there is sufficient evidence to hold him. It could take weeks before it's all sorted out but if Mike had anything to do with it, he will be arrested. If he is held for questioning, he can get up and walk out anytime he wants until he is arrested. The conflicting times could be evidence that another vehicle was parked in the area earlier, but until they know for sure that it was Liana's vehicle, it doesn't mean much. There were surriellance cameras on one of the parking lots, but not the lot where her vehicle was found. I'm pretty sure that Mike would have been taken in for questioning and during that time there would be a tape recorder and camera on him. If Mike did something with his wife, that evidence will become useful over time.

[Casshew]

I just noticed... Laci, Lori & Liana :eek:

If her husband is involved this is just spooky.

[karmarama]

Factink,


I don't blame you for not wanting to drive by the place where the 18 year old girl was murdered :( it's very frustrating knowing that there are so many criminals out there, free to commit more crimes! let's hope that case gets solved soon or later!


I will wait for the news conference first :) if there is nothing new, I will go and take some pictures.

[FacTink]

BTW Cassy gal...

I didn't have a chance to tell you that I found your earlier comments quite interesting AND I didn't miss them! ...i.e.

========
>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

'just stay there' = don't you dare surface?

'I will find you' = I know where you are?
==========

I still struggle with the speech in the above. In the meanwhile, "I will find you." Has Mike been looking for Lianne? I know he has thanked others for doing so.

FT

[FacTink]

Hello Otto,

I am feeling too lazy to flick back a few pages...but did you mention a situation in Banff? Found the following...

>>
Man charged in Banff assault
Last updated Jul 14 2005 02:34 PM MDT
http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-banff-assault20050714
<<

FT

[fourboys]

Missing mom not criminal investigation: Police

CTV.ca News Staff
Thu. Jul. 14 2005

Edmonton police say they are not treating the disappearance of a young pregnant mother as a criminal investigation...yet.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car, containing her personal belongings, was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Her disappearance has prompted an intense search by police and civilian volunteers in the couple's suburban Edmonton neighbourhood.

Police say although her disappearance is suspicious and out of character, they are currently treating the case as a missing person's file.

They say while there is no identified suspect, they can't rule out anybody at this stage.

"In all reality we have to take a look at everybody who has something to do with her life," Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski told CTV News.

"Whether its close family members, parents, or friends at work, we have to look at everybody."

Police say they have found no evidence of a struggle or that a crime took place.

Continued...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121343206016_456007/?hub=TopStories

[fourboys]

Edmonton disappearance still a mystery

The Canadian Press
Thursday, July 14


Police in Edmonton say they're getting lots of tips, but still don't know what happened to a woman who disappeared on her way to work.

Twenty-nine-year-old Liana White, pregnant with her second child, has been missing since Tuesday morning.

Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski says police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating it as a missing person case.

White's SUV was found abandoned not far from her home, but all her belongings, including bank cards and credits, have apparently been accounted for.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted.

Ewatski says investigators are checking all accounts thoroughly in order to get an accurate timeline around her disappearance.

http://www.cfcn.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/B/20050714/edmmissing?brand=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=edmmissing&date=20050714&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav=home&subnav=fullstory

[otto]

Hello Otto,

I am feeling too lazy to flick back a few pages...but did you mention a situation in Banff? Found the following...

>>
Man charged in Banff assault
Last updated Jul 14 2005 02:34 PM MDT
http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-banff-assault20050714
<<

FT

Yes, thanks for the update.

[kahskye]

>>Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.<<

I believe the reports so far indicate no evidence of dragging.
Ok, then maybe she was carried away kicking which caused her shoes to come off.

[blueclouds]

That's a lot of dead women.... :eek: the article states the police have nothing to link them to the same killer, why is their no DNA or other evidence?
There's over 80 missing and unsolved murders in Alberta, especially Edmonton area since early 80's. THEY'RE JUST NOW talking about it potentially being the SAME person. Pssssss's me off. And many of the girls were dumped almost in our back yard just south of Sherwood Park. They refuse to call it a serial killer though. GO FIGURE :waitasec: :rolleyes:

[AussieAussie]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but if the SUV was left unlocked/door open someone else may have come along and seen the purse on the seat and helped themselves to her wallet. I can imagine them going through it as they run off and tossing any identifying cards etc and just keeping the money??

I also got a shock when I saw the photo of her hubby! Image of Mark Hacking!!! I feel so sorry for him if he has nothing to do with her disappearance because I think everyone is going to make the comparison between the both of them!

[fourboys]

Probe continues in case of Edmonton woman who disappeared en route to work

LISA ARROWSMITH
July 14, 2005

EDMONTON (CP) - They say they're getting lots of tips, but Edmonton police still don't know what happened to a woman who mysteriously disappeared on her way to work.

Liana White, 29, has been missing since Tuesday morning, when she failed to arrive at her downtown hospital job. Police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating the case as a missing person, acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski told reporters Thursday.

White's SUV was found abandoned in a parking lot not far from her suburban north Edmonton home, but all her belongings, including bank and credit cards, have apparently been accounted for, Ewatski said.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted, and Ewatski said police were working to sort them out.

White's husband, Michael, has said he last saw Liana at 6:15 a.m., but a woman who reported the abandoned SUV said she saw it before 6 a.m.

"We are in the process of validating that, and I'm sure that we will have a better timeline because we've had a lot of tips," Ewatski said.

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

White is four months pregnant with her second child, and that fact has prompted some comparisons to the sensational case of Laci Peterson, a pregnant California woman murdered by her husband.

"There are a lot of comparisons because people watch television and people get influenced by what they see on television and think sometimes, well, that happens everywhere," Ewatski said.

Police are not treating Michael White as a suspect in anything, he said, and the case shouldn't cause city residents undue fear.

"Edmonton is a very safe city," he said. "I police that area, and it does have random acts of violence; there's no doubt about that. Every community in the city does, whether it's break and enters or stolen cars, theft from autos, assaults or stabbings."

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/sho...ontent=n071463A (http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/shownews.jsp?content=n071463A)

[mysteriew]

I am still going with looking at the hubby. The fact that there seems to be a serial killer there might give hubby the idea that he could arrange a scene to "explain" a murder.
My reasoning:
The scene of the vehicle seems "staged". Her purse is in the car, yet her ID is strewn around, bank cards and credit cards are recovered. Her keys are there. Her shoes are an oddity that is out of place- maybe left there to help indicate a struggle. Open door also to indicate a struggle. Yet no other signs of a struggle.
There are 2 witnesses that report seeing the vehicle there, before the time she was supposed to have left for work. (It took 3 calls to LE, to get them to take a look at the scene). Only her hubby to say that she left for work at the usual time.
She was a mother with a young child and pregnant, so it is not likely that decided to run off and leave her child.
Other murders have shown that during pregnancy can be a risky time in a relationship.

[Casshew]

Any local Edmontonians know if there are cameras at traffic lights/intersections in that area?

[FacTink]

From the officer:
>>"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."<<

WUH OH! THE NIGHT BEFORE? WUH WUH WUH OH! Wonder what time it was seen the night before. If it was seen AFTER the neighbor was with Lianna and her daughter Ashley petting the dog, then WUH OH...WUH WUH WUH OH!

ft

[FacTink]

No press conference? No news? It is 9:33pm here, approx. time of Edmonton and no news?

FT

[sandraladeda]

There was no new news to report. Just repeating the same old "still treating as a missing persons case" etc. Will post an update if I catch anything new.

[fourboys]

Husband to search for missing pregnant wife

CTV.ca News Staff
Thu. Jul. 14 2005

The distraught husband of a missing pregnant Edmonton woman says he is frustrated with the police investigation into his wife's disappearance and and may take matters into his own hands.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car, containing her personal belongings, was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Now, after almost three days without trace, her husband, Michael White, says he plans to search for his missing wife on his own.

"My sorrow has now become anger," he told CTV News.

"She's my wife. I'm going to find her. I said the first day I'm going to find her and I will."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121343206016_456007/?hub=TopStories

[karmarama]

Any local Edmontonians know if there are cameras at traffic lights/intersections in that area?


There are some, not sure if there is one at that particular intersection? I will check tomorrow after work. Edmonton also has live traffic web cams at various locations, I am trying to find them online, no luck yet! I will keep looking :)

Just watched the news, nothing new to report.

The area where her SUV was found is wide open! someone has to have seen something! that YMCA is very busy.

I will post pictures and more info on the cameras tomorrow.

[newtv]

The LE are having a press conference this afternoon about this case. Last I heard they were looking on the outskirts of Edmonton. Yikes !! I live on the outskirts. I saw the video of the husband to see if his eyes looked down to the left and they did !! We've all become so suspicious because of the Scott Peterson case. At least he didn't use the word amazing when he described her.As soon as I hear anything I'll post, but I'll be out when the evening news is on.
I think its suspicious that the husband said 6:15 am. and if that happens to be the normal time she would leave for her shift (perhaps a 7:00am shift), and the car was spotted at 5:50-6:00-or 6:15 for that matter he is a liar.
Cuz she should not be there at 6:15 if she was just leaving the house. Now if the police can prove the call from the witness came in at 6:00am. he is screwed.
I do not believe he would forget the time or not know it..people have routines. It was likely the time she left everyday or everytime she worked that particular shift.
He would be the one at home with the child-and responsible people tend to know the time when they are in a routine with shift work and children.
I did not buy his tears either. i watched the plea on TV and I just had the feeling that he was acting like a baby-too much emotion-like mark hacking. I thot he was acting.

[txsvicki]

>>Her shoes came off as she was dragged away.<<

I believe the reports so far indicate no evidence of dragging.


If a person were dragged away while conscious, I'd think they'd be kicking around and not just dragging the back of their heels. Working in a hospital, I would think that the shoes wouldn't have been a slip on type or very easy to get off. Does anyone know what kind of shoes were found?

[newtv]

Husband to search for missing pregnant wife

CTV.ca News Staff
Thu. Jul. 14 2005

The distraught husband of a missing pregnant Edmonton woman says he is frustrated with the police investigation into his wife's disappearance and and may take matters into his own hands.

Liana White, 29, failed to show up for work Tuesday morning. Her car, containing her personal belongings, was found abandoned in a parking lot near her home.

Now, after almost three days without trace, her husband, Michael White, says he plans to search for his missing wife on his own.

"My sorrow has now become anger," he told CTV News.

"She's my wife. I'm going to find her. I said the first day I'm going to find her and I will."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121343206016_456007/?hub=TopStories
hmmm not sure what to make of this-seems appropriate of an innocent person to be mad..maybe he isnt involved but he has to be the first suspect-its just that way-they go by the book.

[lauriej]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/13/1130092-cp.html

"White is pregnant with her second child, and that fact has prompted some comparisons to the sensational case of Laci Peterson, a pregnant California woman murdered by her husband. "

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

.......as i saw on the evening news tonight..............".police are asking the public to NOT make those comparisons".......
..but it's hard.............a missing pregnant wife...........the husband comes across as a cross between hacking/sp.............
...he now says he's going to "find her himself" and disregard LE...........i'll be interested to see what that entails on his part.....

[spydog]

The scattered items do seem like something staged to me. Remember when Marc Hacking drove his wife's car to the park, then ran home? The police noticed that the driver's seat was pushed back (for his legs) and he forgot to pull it back up. Something else in the car was suspiscious of who the last driver might have been. I hope everything like this was looked over by LE there.

The things that make me look twice at the husband are:
1) time frame
2) x-military (sorry any military people here, I know not all military people are violent, but some are).
3) Scene seems staged.

Take a look at this picture. Look at the apartments in the background. I hope all these apartments were questioned as to whether or not they have have heard something or seen that vehicle there. There are a lot of windows.

hm...never posted a pic here, how to do it? Let's try this:

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_suv_050713.jpg

[spydog]

I guess we can't just post an image here? Other than are AV?

[newtv]

The scattered items do seem like something staged to me. Remember when Marc Hacking drove his wife's car to the park, then ran home? The police noticed that the driver's seat was pushed back (for his legs) and he forgot to pull it back up. Something else in the car was suspiscious of who the last driver might have been. I hope everything like this was looked over by LE there.

The things that make me look twice at the husband are:
1) time frame
2) x-military (sorry any military people here, I know not all military people are violent, but some are).
3) Scene seems staged.

Take a look at this picture. Look at the apartments in the background. I hope all these apartments were questioned as to whether or not they have have heard something or seen that vehicle there. There are a lot of windows.

hm...never posted a pic here, how to do it? Let's try this:

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050713/160_suv_050713.jpg
It does sound suspicious given that there are no abductions happening in the area-and she doesnt sound like a runaway "mother" type..etc.. (timex doesnt like us to mention the name of whom I am really referencing..lol)..
i always say-who else could it be..and I agree with the military thing-it does add a knowledge of guns and so on..

[newtv]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/13/1130092-cp.html

"White is pregnant with her second child, and that fact has prompted some comparisons to the sensational case of Laci Peterson, a pregnant California woman murdered by her husband. "

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

.......as i saw on the evening news tonight..............".police are asking the public to NOT make those comparisons".......
..but it's hard.............a missing pregnant wife...........the husband comes across as a cross between hacking/sp.............
...he now says he's going to "find her himself" and disregard LE...........i'll be interested to see what that entails on his part.....
basically its the timeline that twigs me-as soon as there is a descrepancy such as when she left the house vs when the car was noticed I am suspicious..he should know the time she leaves-he is married to her and its not the first time she left for work..its a routine.

[newtv]

I keep wanting to mention that they say she is 5.4 and 190 pounds..can that be true..I mean 5.4 isnt that tall and yet she doesnt look like she is carrying that much weight in the pictures they have shown.

[spydog]

I noticed in one of the link articles, that they changed that, said she was more like 150 lbs.

[newtv]

I noticed in one of the link articles, that they changed that, said she was more like 150 lbs.oh thanks- i dont care if she is 190 if its true-but it didnt sound right to me and I would have factored that into how mobile she could have been-not very at 190 pounds-pregnant-5.4..however, 150 sounds right for her stage in the pregnancy..

[otto]

Ok, then maybe she was carried away kicking which caused her shoes to come off.

Or maybe she just let her feet fall and her shoes fell off.

What would anyone do if someone picked them up while threatening them with a weapon ... unless there was a cell phone escape (that was tossed into the field) ... probably not struggle and maybe let their feet fall, hoping the left behind shoes would provide a clue to what happened to them.

[otto]

There's over 80 missing and unsolved murders in Alberta, especially Edmonton area since early 80's. THEY'RE JUST NOW talking about it potentially being the SAME person. Pssssss's me off. And many of the girls were dumped almost in our back yard just south of Sherwood Park. They refuse to call it a serial killer though. GO FIGURE :waitasec: :rolleyes:

I thought it was more like about 34 women in the Edmonton area since the 1980's. They have called it a serial killer (won't paste or link properly) for the last 6 months:"CNN.com - Canada fears second serial killer - Jun 9, 2005
Each woman's body was found in farmers' fields, every few years at first, then more frequently. With every death, fear grows that Edmonton is the second western Canadian city to be home to a killer preying on prostitutes. ... say if they believe a serial murderer is roaming the northern Alberta city, where the bodies of 25 ... unwilling to say if a serial killer was at work until they ... www.cnn.com ", partially inspired by Robert Pickton and his 30 years of murdering prostitutes.

There is speculation, like in the Pickton case, that the person behind the murders in Edmonton is familiar with rural settings ... may even live in Leduc or Camrose. He often dumps the bodies, burned, near Sherwood Park but that's probably not his back yard. That's probably where he wants to be - kind of a sick offering to a life he never had. Sherwood Park is like the Hamptons of Alberta so the offering of dead bodies is the surrounding area has some social indications.

They're calling it a serial killing and they're now trying to find information on what happened to these women, but no one knows anything about the burned and discarded missing prostitutes in Edmonton. There is no DNA evidence. No one noticed them missing ... for too long ... they're sex industry girls with no real schedule.

[otto]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but if the SUV was left unlocked/door open someone else may have come along and seen the purse on the seat and helped themselves to her wallet. I can imagine them going through it as they run off and tossing any identifying cards etc and just keeping the money??

I also got a shock when I saw the photo of her hubby! Image of Mark Hacking!!! I feel so sorry for him if he has nothing to do with her disappearance because I think everyone is going to make the comparison between the both of them!\

Nope. Edmonton is not like that. If the door was left open and it was dusk, a lot of people would have noticed and any wallet prowlers would have been noticed and deterred ... didn't happen ... no one was prowling around this remote area and scammed her wallet between her being abducted and the police being notified. I can say that for sure.

I can imagine the driver, like what happened in California with Carol Sundringham (sp?) and the two teenagers, where the guy threw the identification out the window in a town in the wrong direction of where he took them. The ID toss seems to be random and deliberate at the same time, but not something that Liana would do. She would never have let go of her cell phone unless it wasn't an option either.

No kidding. He's about the same age as Mark Hacking. He's bald like Mark Hacking. His wife's car was found close to home and she is missing just like Mark Hacking. After that, pretty much everything is different. Mike White did not report the disappearance, he was not out buying a new mattress in the hour after his wife was discovered missing, he's not a sociopath, there is no confusion about his and Liana's future plans, he and his wife live in a very stable family oriented neighbourhood with their toddler and Liana is currently 4 months pregnant ... everything points to a random act of violence and any association with Mark Hacking ... well ... how many bald 30 year olds do we see every day walking down the street? So her husband was bald and fat ... just like Mark Hacking. Does that make him guilty? Nope. He may have looked down and to the left when he started crying at the last second of the interview, but he wasn't looking down and to the left during the interview - he was not like Scott Peterson in any way.

I think this is a bad situation that is not over yet. The reason the questioning started with Mike and her co-worders is because the police are trying to determine if she was seeing someone on the side, meeting someone in the parking lot.

[otto]

I am still going with looking at the hubby. The fact that there seems to be a serial killer there might give hubby the idea that he could arrange a scene to "explain" a murder.
My reasoning:
The scene of the vehicle seems "staged". Her purse is in the car, yet her ID is strewn around, bank cards and credit cards are recovered. Her keys are there. Her shoes are an oddity that is out of place- maybe left there to help indicate a struggle. Open door also to indicate a struggle. Yet no other signs of a struggle.
There are 2 witnesses that report seeing the vehicle there, before the time she was supposed to have left for work. (It took 3 calls to LE, to get them to take a look at the scene). Only her hubby to say that she left for work at the usual time.
She was a mother with a young child and pregnant, so it is not likely that decided to run off and leave her child.
Other murders have shown that during pregnancy can be a risky time in a relationship.

If the hubby was going to stage a serial killing, he would have to burn the body east of the city.

Nothing about the event seems staged. I think someone pulled her over or she was meeting someone she knew. There is no other explanation for her car door being open and that's not a detail bad guys think about ... yet.

Apparently the times of seeing a vehicle in the same parking lot before 6:15 a.m. are not corroberated, but any information could lead to the discovery of Liana; that is, it could lead to information about other similar vehicles in the parking lot earlier in the morning.

Pregnancy is a big risk in marriage during the first pregancy, but the second? I think they've gotten used to the idea of having a baby and I hardly think that having a second child is a "risky time". Mike White is at home with his 1 year old daughter trying to explain why he's messed up and mom is away. The second pregancy, Liana being pregnant, is not a big deal.

It would be absolutely idiotic of this Edmonton man to pull a Mark Hacking after what happened with Mark Hacking - as though he were invisible on the internet.

[otto]

From the officer:
>>"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."<<

WUH OH! THE NIGHT BEFORE? WUH WUH WUH OH! Wonder what time it was seen the night before. If it was seen AFTER the neighbor was with Lianna and her daughter Ashley petting the dog, then WUH OH...WUH WUH WUH OH!

ft
That goes along with what I'm saying ... that people have come forward to say their SUV's were parked in the lot before 6 a.m. and may have been mis-identified as Liana's SUV (aren't all SUV's beige grey?).

It's important to keep the facts straight, no matter how scared we are, because the information the police have is all that is necessary to find the missing person - so long as they have the facts.

[otto]

No press conference? No news? It is 9:33pm here, approx. time of Edmonton and no news?

FT

In Canada, they don't do media hype news conferences but if you watch the news at 6, all the information if available.

Here's the latest news conference info:

"Twenty-nine-year-old Liana White, pregnant with her second child, has been missing since Tuesday morning.

Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski says police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating it as a missing person case.

White's SUV was found abandoned not far from her home, but all her belongings, including bank cards and credits, have apparently been accounted for.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted.

Ewatski says investigators are checking all accounts thoroughly in order to get an accurate timeline around her disappearance."

(doesn't sound good for the husband)

[otto]

I guess we can't just post an image here? Other than are AV?

Are AV is a given and posting images is not an option.

[otto]

basically its the timeline that twigs me-as soon as there is a descrepancy such as when she left the house vs when the car was noticed I am suspicious..he should know the time she leaves-he is married to her and its not the first time she left for work..its a routine.

If there's something twiggy about the timeline, the police will see it and find the answers. There will be no news conferences. The story will be buried in the news on page 2 in about 3 weeks. This is okay with Canadians. We don't want the hysterics that happened in Aruba or with Scott Peterson in our country and we're perfectly happy letting the law figure it out in their own time. If anyone could figure it out faster, they wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines like we are. Mike knows when Liana left the house and so do the neighbours. This will become a criminal investigation in the next 12 hours and everyone knows she will not be found alive.

[Casshew]

Otto, please don't lump all Canadians together like you did with that last post. I disagree with a good portion of it.

I wanted to ask you about your comment on the colour of SUV's - they come in all colours just like cars do, not just beige etc...

[otto]

oh thanks- i dont care if she is 190 if its true-but it didnt sound right to me and I would have factored that into how mobile she could have been-not very at 190 pounds-pregnant-5.4..however, 150 sounds right for her stage in the pregnancy..

Sorry for posting again but is 150 and 5'4" about right for 4 months pregnant? In your dreams?

This is a very fat woman no matter how you look at it. I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds so I'm not even going to imagine what a little dumpling that is ... and no way does that sounds right for her stage of pregnancy. 9 months pregnant on a 5'9" frame is about 165 pounds (giving 25-30 pounds for the fetus). About 5'4", 4 months pregnant and 150 - 190 pounds ... that's just plain fat. Speaking of which, why doesn't her husband know how much she weighs? 5'4" should weigh about 150 at 9 months pregnant max.

[otto]

Otto, please don't lump all Canadians together like you did with that last post. I disagree with a good portion of it.

I wanted to ask you about your comment on the colour of SUV's - they come in all colours just like cars do, not just beige etc...

Exactly. Whoever saw an SUV in the parking lot before 6:15 may have seen any number of any other vehicles of similar colours. Did I hear that this was the Y parking lot?

You may disagree with a portion of what I said, but why?

[amandab]

Sorry for posting again but is 150 and 5'4" about right for 4 months pregnant? In your dreams?

This is a very fat woman no matter how you look at it. I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds so I'm not even going to imagine what a little dumpling that is ... and no way does that sounds right for her stage of pregnancy. 9 months pregnant on a 5'9" frame is about 165 pounds (giving 25-30 pounds for the fetus). About 5'4", 4 months pregnant and 150 - 190 pounds ... that's just plain fat. Speaking of which, why doesn't her husband know how much she weighs? 5'4" should weigh about 150 at 9 months pregnant max.

Ok, I'm not even going to respond to the parts of this post that I was offended by, which leaves me with - why didn't her husband know her weight?

If I were to disappear today, my hubby would have NO IDEA what my weight is. Not a clue. He'd know that it's more than I'd like it to be, and that's it. I have issues with my weight, and I don't share that number with ANYONE.

[otto]

Ok, I'm not even going to respond to the parts of this post that I was offended by, which leaves me with - why didn't her husband know her weight?

If I were to disappear today, my hubby would have NO IDEA what my weight is. Not a clue. He'd know that it's more than I'd like it to be, and that's it. I have issues with my weight, and I don't share that number with ANYONE.

What are you saying, that the men you are closest to have no idea how much you weigh because you would prefer to weigh less? I don't buy that. Any man should be able to, at the very least, accurately estimate how much his wife weighs just because they live together. There's a big difference in 40 pounds on a 5'4" frame.

[Mabel]

The recommended NON-pregnant weight for a woman 5'4" tall is between 114 and 151 pounds, depending on frame size. 150 pounds for a woman who is 4 months pregnant is not out of line at all. Certainly it's not "very fat" or a "dumpling". How utterly offensive!

[Casshew]

Sorry for posting again but is 150 and 5'4" about right for 4 months pregnant? In your dreams?

This is a very fat woman no matter how you look at it. I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds so I'm not even going to imagine what a little dumpling that is ... and no way does that sounds right for her stage of pregnancy. 9 months pregnant on a 5'9" frame is about 165 pounds (giving 25-30 pounds for the fetus). About 5'4", 4 months pregnant and 150 - 190 pounds ... that's just plain fat. Speaking of which, why doesn't her husband know how much she weighs? 5'4" should weigh about 150 at 9 months pregnant max.
I disagree with this post too :hand:

[otto]

The recommended NON-pregnant weight for a woman 5'4" tall is between 114 and 151 pounds, depending on frame size. 150 pounds for a woman who is 4 months pregnant is not out of line at all. Certainly it's not "very fat" or a "dumpling". How utterly offensive!

Do you have a reference? 5'4" should not be more than 150 at 9 months pregnant. Please prove me wrong. By the way, the depending on frame size probably refers to the difference between 5'4" and taller.

That's not offensive. Women often refer to themselves as elephants when they are pregnant, particularly if they eat like horses because they are preganant. Are you suggesting that you've never seen a woman put on almost a hundred pounds, like a little dumpling, while pregnant?

[otto]

I disagree with this post too :hand:

and the reason is ...?

[Mabel]

Do you have a reference? 5'4" should not be more than 150 at 9 months pregnant. Please prove me wrong. By the way, the depending on frame size probably refers to the difference between 5'4" and taller.

That's not offensive. Women often refer to themselves as elephants when they are pregnant, particularly if they eat like horses because they are preganant. Are you suggesting that you've never seen a woman put on almost a hundred pounds, like a little dumpling, while pregnant?


You're totally rude....and the first person I've ever put on ignore.

[otto]

I disagree with this post too :hand:

Suppose, in this discussion board, I simply responded to your comments with:
"I disagree"

That seems a wee bit arrogant to me, as though I should know intuitively why you disagree. That's not much of a discussion.

[otto]

You're totally rude....and the first person I've ever put on ignore.

I am not totally rude. I believe all of the above to be true and if I'm on ignore with you, at least I will hopefully have more than 2 word answers from you. Oh yah, that wasn't you. I meant 3 word discussions: you're totally rude ... no I'm not.

[otto]

I disagree with this post too :hand:

Are you Canadian? Do you live near the area where this woman was abducted? If so, speak up and if not, take my word for it.

[Casshew]

and the reason is ...?Because the normal non pregnancy weight for a woman 5' 4" can be 140ish

You are saying she was fat (offensive word) and a dumpling :rolleyes: where her reported weight of 150 is totally in line with a a normal healthy pregnancy.

and as for the other post... not all Canadians are happy to sit and let a story drop to page 2 or 3, we also can get riled up by stories like the states/aruba.. I don't have any problem with that being YOUR opinion, but please don't speak for all Canadians.

I agree with what you said about the colour of the SUV - what are the chances it was another beige one unrelated... very slim.


Edited to add link height and weight chart for NON PREGNANT women -
the 5 4" range is 114 -151
http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heightweightchart.htm

[poco]

WHO GIVES AN F ABOUT HOW MUCH SHE WEIGHS OR SHOULD WEIGH OR WHATEVER - SHE'S MISSING - - that is what this thread is about. If you want to discuss weights between pregnant and nonpregnant woman start a thread in the parking lot!

I came here to see if there was any new news on her disappearance!

You guys - don't even go there!

[fourboys]

Police puzzled by woman's disappearance

By KATHERINE HARDING
Friday, July 15, 2005

EDMONTON -- Nothing is adding up for Edmonton police officers investigating a baffling missing-person's case involving a 29-year-old pregnant mother of one.

"It's a hard one to piece together," acting inspector Jamie Ewatski acknowledged yesterday, more than 48 hours after Liana White was last seen by her husband, Mike, as she was heading to work around 6:15 a.m. Tuesday. It was the first formal news conference held by police since the search for Ms. White was launched.

Despite receiving lots of tips, officers still don't know what could have happened to the 5-foot-4, 150-pound brunette, who is four months pregnant. They revised her weight without explanation.

They don't even know if they are dealing with a crime.

"This is suspicious. This is out of character for this lady," Mr. Ewatski said, adding the possibilities are endless, including that she simply "walked away."

Around 7:25 a.m., the woman's tan 1991 Ford Explorer was found abandoned by a passerby, who called police, less than two kilometres from her northwest Edmonton bungalow. It was parked in a gravel parking lot near a recreational centre; the driver's door wide open, the keys on the floor of the vehicle.
Possessions belonging to Ms. White, mother of a two-year-old daughter, including a cellphone, a pair of shoes, credit cards and other identification, were later recovered close to the SUV.

Mr. Ewatski said a major priority is sifting through tips from people who claim to have seen Ms. White's SUV in the lot before 6 a.m. and even as early as Monday night.

It conflicts with a statement Mr. White gave police that he last saw his wife at 6:15 a.m. as she left for her job as a medical clerk at a downtown hospital, dressed in green medical scrubs.

Mr. Ewatski said the strange circumstances surrounding Ms. White's disappearance shouldn't cause the general public to be concerned about their own safety. "Edmonton is a very safe city," he said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050715/MISSING15/TPNational/Canada

[amandab]

WHO GIVES AN F ABOUT HOW MUCH SHE WEIGHS OR SHOULD WEIGH OR WHATEVER - SHE'S MISSING - - that is what this thread is about. If you want to discuss weights between pregnant and nonpregnant woman start a thread in the parking lot!

I came here to see if there was any new news on her disappearance!

You guys - don't even go there!

:clap: good call Poco - I refuse to let this person drag this thread down - to "ignore" we shall go

[amandab]

Possessions belonging to Ms. White, mother of a two-year-old daughter, including a cellphone, a pair of shoes, credit cards and other identification, were later recovered close to the SUV.


This gives me the feeling of breadcrumbs being left....clues or something.....

[sandraladeda]

Sorry for posting again but is 150 and 5'4" about right for 4 months pregnant? In your dreams?

This is a very fat woman no matter how you look at it. I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds so I'm not even going to imagine what a little dumpling that is ... and no way does that sounds right for her stage of pregnancy. 9 months pregnant on a 5'9" frame is about 165 pounds (giving 25-30 pounds for the fetus). About 5'4", 4 months pregnant and 150 - 190 pounds ... that's just plain fat. Speaking of which, why doesn't her husband know how much she weighs? 5'4" should weigh about 150 at 9 months pregnant max.Beg to differ, otto. I'm 5'6'', I weigh 140 pounds, I am quite fit, and I am not pregnant. I am not big-boned either - I am somewhat well-muscled, and wear a size 6 or 8 most of the time. You just can't generalize about how much people ought to weigh.

My husband has no clue what I weigh - why would he?

[mysteriew]

Mr. Ewatski said a major priority is sifting through tips from people who claim to have seen Ms. White's SUV in the lot before 6 a.m. and even as early as Monday night.

It conflicts with a statement Mr. White gave police that he last saw his wife at 6:15 a.m. as she left for her job as a medical clerk at a downtown hospital, dressed in green medical scrubs.

Mr. Ewatski said the strange circumstances surrounding Ms. White's disappearance shouldn't cause the general public to be concerned about their own safety. "Edmonton is a very safe city," he said.

He also acknowledged that people were drawing conclusions between this case and other seemingly similar high-profile investigations, such as the Laci Peterson case. Ms. Peterson, a California woman, was pregnant when she went missing in 2002 and was later found slain. Her husband Scott was convicted of murder last year.

Mr. Ewatski said police have not identified a suspect at this time and that Ms. White's friends and relatives are being questioned, including her husband.

Mr. White recognizes that the public might be wondering if he had a role in his wife's disappearance. The heavy-duty mechanic told a reporter yesterday that he has been co-operating with police and wants them to finish investigating him quickly so they can refocus their attention on locating his wife.

"I understand, I was the last one to see her," he said. "My sorrow has now become anger," he said about the lack of information about his brown-eyed wife of 5½ years.Ms. White has no history of mental illness and has never been known to go missing.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050715/MISSING15/TPNational/Canada

[mysteriew]

Police are conducting forensic examinations of her vehicle and personal effects, which might suggest someone else had something to do with her disappearance. "Hopefully we can find a fingerprint," Ewatski said.

Michael White's brother Brian, a Brantford, Ont., paramedic, issued a public plea to fellow emergency service workers to help police. "Do what you can to find out any information that you can."

He also asked area farmers to search their fields for signs of White.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted, and Ewatski said police were working to sort them out.

Michael White has said he last saw Liana at 6:15 a.m., but a woman who reported the abandoned SUV said she saw it before 6 a.m.

"We are in the process of validating that, and I'm sure that we will have a better timeline because we've had a lot of tips," Ewatski said.

"In fact, I can say that one tip came forward that that vehicle had been there the night prior. Well, then we had a report of the next morning. So through the investigation we will tighten that timeline."

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=6341b822-337f-4d6a-be61-4c30e92c7be6

[Mabel]

...................You just can't generalize about how much people ought to weigh.

.................

Exactly.

The poor pregnant woman is missing and things aren't looking good for her. It disgusts me that someone would feel the need at this time to criticize her weight and call her derogatory names.
:(

[adnoid]

...they come in all colours just like cars do, not just beige etc...

If it was imported from the US it could be in various colors as well.

[SewingDeb]

Sorry for posting again but is 150 and 5'4" about right for 4 months pregnant? In your dreams?

This is a very fat woman no matter how you look at it. I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds so I'm not even going to imagine what a little dumpling that is ... and no way does that sounds right for her stage of pregnancy. 9 months pregnant on a 5'9" frame is about 165 pounds (giving 25-30 pounds for the fetus). About 5'4", 4 months pregnant and 150 - 190 pounds ... that's just plain fat. Speaking of which, why doesn't her husband know how much she weighs? 5'4" should weigh about 150 at 9 months pregnant max.

There was a one year old at home. She may have still been carrying extra weight from that pregnancy when she became pregnant again....or she may just be overweight anyway. You would think the husband would have a good idea of what she weighed, though and the picture they show does not look like the face of a fat woman.

[sandraladeda]

In response to discussion of the Canadian media response to crimes/disappearances of this sort -

It may seem that Canadians do not respond with as much "hype". I believe that may appear to be the case because we simply do not have the same number of media sources to pursue the story. Think of the number of networks, local news stations, and cable tv networks there are in the US and indeed in California. Of course the Laci case received a ton of media attention. There was more media nearby to cover the story.

Edmonton is my home town. I lived there for 34 years, and I can say for certain that this is a story which will receive a great deal of coverage locally and likely across the country. It just may not come off as being "hyped" as much as a case in the US.

I have been in Edmonton through many high profile missing persons/murder investigations. I would be surprised if this story did not receive prominent daily coverage in the local news, TV, radio, and newspapers. It will remain very prominent in the minds and hearts of Edmontonians. I can say this with great certainty.

[SewingDeb]

Beg to differ, otto. I'm 5'6'', I weigh 140 pounds, I am quite fit, and I am not pregnant. I am not big-boned either - I am somewhat well-muscled, and wear a size 6 or 8 most of the time. You just can't generalize about how much people ought to weigh.

My husband has no clue what I weigh - why would he?

Good point.

[adnoid]

...This is a very fat woman no matter how you look at it...

You are wrong, and you are rude. That crap certainly doesn't belong here.

[adnoid]

...If I were to disappear today, my hubby would have NO IDEA what my weight is...

I have no idea what my wife (of 17+ years) weighs either. I wouldn't even know where to start. I can pick her up and carry her around although she fights a bit, but I just have no idea.

[mysteriew]

\
I think this is a bad situation that is not over yet. The reason the questioning started with Mike and her co-worders is because the police are trying to determine if she was seeing someone on the side, meeting someone in the parking lot.

I hadn't heard that about what they were questioning friends and relatives about. You talk about "Mike" pretty casually. Do you know him or a friend of his?

[Mabel]

I have no idea what my wife (of 17+ years) weighs either. I wouldn't even know where to start. I can pick her up and carry her around although she fights a bit, but I just have no idea.

I suggest you start low.

[adnoid]

I suggest you start low.

Right after I got my pilot's license I wanted to take her up. Being a "by-the-book" person I always calculate the weight & balance for the plane and asked her what she weighed so I could do my calculations - and she would not tell me. I told her the FAA regs allowed me to estimate a passenger at 170 without baggage and she told me I'd better not and if that was the choice she would just stay on the ground - she thought the form I was working on was filed with the FAA and someone would see it. This mattered to her.

[TisHerself]

Sorry if this has been answered, didn't see it. When did her husband know she was missing? Did they call him from work to say she had not arrived? Or did the cops notify him when they found the car?

[gagesmom314]

The LE are having a press conference this afternoon about this case. Last I heard they were looking on the outskirts of Edmonton. Yikes !! I live on the outskirts. I saw the video of the husband to see if his eyes looked down to the left and they did !! We've all become so suspicious because of the Scott Peterson case. At least he didn't use the word amazing when he described her.As soon as I hear anything I'll post, but I'll be out when the evening news is on.

I look down and to the left when I am upset about something or I feel like I am going to cry. Does this make me a killer as well? I honestly do not see at all how this means anything! For some reason I doubt SP is the only person in the world to ever look down and to the left!

[mysteriew]

I look down and to the left when I am upset about something or I feel like I am going to cry. Does this make me a killer as well? I honestly do not see at all how this means anything! For some reason I doubt SP is the only person in the world to ever look down and to the left!

This is a theory that has to do with the memory portion of the brain being on one side of the brain and the creative portion on the other side of the brain (I can never remember which side for what). People who are trying to remember will usually look down and to the right. People who are trying to think of a convincing lie, may look down and to the left because of the sides of the brain they are using to answer a question.

[Jess]

In response to discussion of the Canadian media response to crimes/disappearances of this sort -

It may seem that Canadians do not respond with as much "hype". I believe that may appear to be the case because we simply do not have the same number of media sources to pursue the story. Think of the number of networks, local news stations, and cable tv networks there are in the US and indeed in California. Of course the Laci case received a ton of media attention. There was more media nearby to cover the story.

Edmonton is my home town. I lived there for 34 years, and I can say for certain that this is a story which will receive a great deal of coverage locally and likely across the country. It just may not come off as being "hyped" as much as a case in the US.



I have been in Edmonton through many high profile missing persons/murder investigations. I would be surprised if this story did not receive prominent daily coverage in the local news, TV, radio, and newspapers. It will remain very prominent in the minds and hearts of Edmontonians. I can say this with great certainty.
I live just west of the City of Edmonton. On Global news this am, it was only the third or fourth story.Until something is found or it becomes an official criminal investigation, it will continue to slip in the news stories rankings.

[*02]

I have just spent this last few minutes reading through all of the pages and something really is unsettling about this.
I hate to speculate, but they have a toddler at home already- which can be alot to handle for anyone-
what if the hubby decided he didn't want another child,
she was unbending and wanted the child,
a fight insued and got out of hand?:( Only a missing person case so far, no need to check the house for evidence as of yet?
Just a theory- maybe I am watching too many forensic file shows where this turns out to be the case. :rolleyes:

[Oceanbreeze]

I don't know if i missed this or not, but does it say what time the husband usually leaves for work? Also who usually takes the little one to day care or the sitters?

[Jess]

Jodieo

We are all speculating. After the Peterson and Hacking cases, our imaginations run rampant !! We look for things ( like looking towards the left and down ) because these things were repeated over and over. Do they mean anything in this case ? Who knows ?
IF the SUV was indeed in the baseball field, then we do have a problem with the timeline. I, too, have thought of domestic abuse. But then I have also thought that our 'serial killer" may have changed his mo.

[blueclouds]

HOW INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess who's NOT talking to the media NOW AND having his FAMILY speak for him because he's TOO UPSET?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND AND AND HER VEHICLE has been seen by many witnesses PRIOR TO THE TIME HE STATES she left for work at 6:15 am. Many witnesses put her vehicle there some time in the middle of the night. Gee, what does this sound like?

[mysteriew]

I don't know if i missed this or not, but does it say what time the husband usually leaves for work? Also who usually takes the little one to day care or the sitters?

Good questions, esp. about who takes the baby to the sitters.

[blueclouds]

I( Only a missing person case so far, no need to check the house for evidence as of yet?
Just a theory- maybe I am watching too many forensic file shows where this turns out to be the case. :rolleyes:

Actually from reports, his house was searched quite thoroughly the first day she was missing.

[babydust2004]

This may seem strange but I did notice a connection in at least some of the circumstances.Nancy Lewis who lives in Alabama also worked at a hospital and was on her way to work in the early morning and disappeared.But being that the areas are so many miles apart may not be and they are lots of differences such as age,race,pregnant-nonpregnant,but it still seems a little strange that 2 missing women both worked at hospitals and disappeared sort of the same way.Just makes me wonder.

[nightowl]

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Nope. Edmonton is not like that. If the door was left open and it was dusk, a lot of people would have noticed and any wallet prowlers would have been noticed and deterred ... didn't happen ... no one was prowling around this remote area and scammed her wallet between her being abducted and the police being notified. I can say that for sure.

I can imagine the driver, like what happened in California with Carol Sundringham (sp?) and the two teenagers, where the guy threw the identification out the window in a town in the wrong direction of where he took them. The ID toss seems to be random and deliberate at the same time, but not something that Liana would do. She would never have let go of her cell phone unless it wasn't an option either.

No kidding. He's about the same age as Mark Hacking. He's bald like Mark Hacking. His wife's car was found close to home and she is missing just like Mark Hacking. After that, pretty much everything is different. Mike White did not report the disappearance, he was not out buying a new mattress in the hour after his wife was discovered missing, he's not a sociopath, there is no confusion about his and Liana's future plans, he and his wife live in a very stable family oriented neighbourhood with their toddler and Liana is currently 4 months pregnant ... everything points to a random act of violence and any association with Mark Hacking ... well ... how many bald 30 year olds do we see every day walking down the street? So her husband was bald and fat ... just like Mark Hacking. Does that make him guilty? Nope. He may have looked down and to the left when he started crying at the last second of the interview, but he wasn't looking down and to the left during the interview - he was not like Scott Peterson in any way.

I think this is a bad situation that is not over yet. The reason the questioning started with Mike and her co-worders is because the police are trying to determine if she was seeing someone on the side, meeting someone in the parking lot.
Hmmm -- so maybe another guy who she is involved with was in a different SUV and was waiting for her in the parking lot (thus sightings of an SUV earlier than 6:00 a.m.) She left for work at 6:15 a.m. and met this guy....and together they staged an abduction before running off together?

[blueclouds]

This may seem strange but I did notice a connection in at least some of the circumstances.Nancy Lewis who lives in Alabama also worked at a hospital and was on her way to work in the early morning and disappeared.But being that the areas are so many miles apart may not be and they are lots of differences such as age,race,pregnant-nonpregnant,but it still seems a little strange that 2 missing women both worked at hospitals and disappeared sort of the same way.Just makes me wonder.
That would be a big leap as Edmonton is thousands of miles from Alabama BUT IMO, anything is possible and looking outside the box is a good thing.

[Jess]

HOW INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess who's NOT talking to the media NOW AND having his FAMILY speak for him because he's TOO UPSET?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND AND AND HER VEHICLE has been seen by many witnesses PRIOR TO THE TIME HE STATES she left for work at 6:15 am. Many witnesses put her vehicle there some time in the middle of the night. Gee, what does this sound like?
blueclouds----- was this on the radio ? which station ? I haven't heard anything since the tvnews this am.

tia

[nightowl]

Well -- I hadn't read through the entire thread before my last post.

It sounds like at least one witness is pretty sure they saw Lianna's "abandoned vehicle" prior to 6:00 a.m. -- Lianna's vehicle not a different SUV -- which would discount the idea that it was someone else waiting for her to meet him.

[blueclouds]

blueclouds----- was this on the radio ? which station ? I haven't heard anything since the tvnews this am.

tia Listening to some news, picking up on little tidbits from Achannel and Global &
I just read this in our morning Sun...
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/15/1132686-sun.html


"Police said Michael White reported last seeing her at 6:15 a.m. when she left for work at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, but other reports have put her truck at the scene as early as the night before, Ewatski said. "..........

"Liana's husband, Michael White, didn't speak to the media today, but his brother Bryan, a Brantford, Ont., firefighter/paramedic, made an impassioned plea for help yesterday.

Flanked by his wife Amanda and mother, Carol Forbes, Bryan White asked firefighters, paramedics, members of the Armed Forces and even farmers to help winkle out tips. "

[nightowl]

About having a second child....for many people it is much more stressful to have 2 very young children than having just 1. Also the financial burden more than doubles, especially if there is childcare. Where I live, quality full-time childcare for one toddler will run about $450-$500 a month. But full-time childcare for an infant and a toddler will run $1200-$1600 a month. Even "lower quality" childcare will run a minimum of $1000 a month or more for an infant and a toddler.

I don't know what the rates are like in Canada (maybe they even have a government supported system), but I disagree with the idea that the second child would be no big deal.

[Jess]

Thanks. My configuration won't allow me to cut and paste here, but the Edmonton Journal has a new blurb, saying even another person's fingerprint would be a clue.

[FacTink]

Hi Otto,

You wrote:
>>I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds<<

With all due respect... I think that your considerations of "dumpling" woman is probably a little contorted, perhaps because of your own personal body weight/size. I'm not sure that judging the size of others based on your size is a very good qualifier.

My husband is 5'10.5" (i.e. just a little taller than you) and currently weighs 145 due to extreme heart problems. His skin is wrapped around his clavicle in an almost skeletal fashion, he has practically no rearend at all, he is quite gaunt looking i.e. it is upsetting to look at him at this particular weight because he looks like someone who is quite ill...and in fact, he is. His better weight is 170.

If you are 5'9 and 140 pounds, depending upon your race and age, according to the following you are somewhere in the 5%...to approx. 20% of all men of all races/ages (with 20% being quite high, depending upon your age and race.)

http://www.halls.md/chart/men-weight-w.htm

When I was 130 pounds and nothing more than bone and muscle, I had a detective guess my weight at 115. Looks and weights are deceiving.

As per 2nd children being a possible cause of stress, marital issues...
I was 20, and found myself pregnant (despite an IUD) with our 2nd child. My husband and myself had been severely depriving ourselves in order to save for 2 years AND so that we could move away to a college town where he could finish his degree (HIS heart's desire, and I wanted it for him.) The new baby would come 2 months after our planned moved and the beginning of my husband's University year. You don't think that the announcement of this pregnancy was stressful? It almost ended our marriage. Fortunately, we could see beyond challenges, my husband wasn't a weirdo or violent, and both moved beyond this. It did cause MAJOR challenges though, until we could get a grip.

FT

[newtv]

In Canada, they don't do media hype news conferences but if you watch the news at 6, all the information if available.

Here's the latest news conference info:

"Twenty-nine-year-old Liana White, pregnant with her second child, has been missing since Tuesday morning.

Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski says police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating it as a missing person case.

White's SUV was found abandoned not far from her home, but all her belongings, including bank cards and credits, have apparently been accounted for.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted.

Ewatski says investigators are checking all accounts thoroughly in order to get an accurate timeline around her disappearance."

(doesn't sound good for the husband)otto-your posts make you out to sound like a know it all not a canadian..
Canadians are not one thing or another-we treat things the way others treat things-some cases rise to the top- others do not..I am not attacking you-I am giving you feedback as to how you are high jacking this thread with stuff that you dont have any more clue about then the rest of us.
We have no information on what the husband did after or before she went missing. We have no information as to what the police are really thinking and doing.
The timeline would make anyone wonder and thats where the first inconsistency is found. To speak of this case as you are makes you sound like you really dont have a balanced or realistic handle on it.

You havent a clue what happened-and until things unravel a bit more I dont know why you assume so much authority on what happened.
The husband is 99 percent likely to be the culprit-that is what i will go on until otherwise convinced.
Of course he wouldnt report her missing-she was on her way to work- why would he call police if he was staging her disappearance..he isnt supposed to know about it..therefore a worker would have to be alarmed or a passer by..thats the whole point of staging it this way..
I just dont agree with the way you are sounding off here as if you are the only one who knows anything-and the only canadian in the world.
Personally, I dont like being grouped with you on this..so please just speak for yourself.
Then you cant be faulted-dont speak as if I am an appendage to you- I have my own way of being a canadian.
I dont think 150 pounds at 5.4 is that out of the range for a pregnant woman- 190 is. But I know women my height 5.5 who are 140 and not preganant and not fat beyond recognition..so I dont think u should be so fast to assume she is way over the top fat at 150.
If you are 5.9 and 140 pounds then u need to start eating-thats not heavy enough especially if u are a man ..what bone type do u have?
I mean there is more to fat than height and weight..god-I am shaking my head at your insensitivity and responding in kind.

[*02]

I have chosen to ignore the height , weight issue in this all, it seems to just get all of us off of the topic at hand- a missing pregnant woman- who cares what she weighs- it is irrelevant. Is there an unwritten rule that we only care if you're missing and skinny? I care about the fact that there are 2 lives at stake here.:(

Back to the topic- I must have overlooked the post with the search of the house- I apologize- did the police find anything when they searched the house? What about the speculation of another man?
I honestly hope that the husband wasn't involved but it seems a little weird- I just can't shake the feeling that all of it is tied together with him in the middle.

[adnoid]

...I have my own way of being a canadian...

And we wouldn't change you for anything! :blowkiss:

[newtv]

Another reason I look toward the husband is that the crime scene seems staged in so far as it is chaotic..thats a typical sign looked for with a profiler- a staged scene by a first time killer in a domestic dispute would be chaotic-as the person is not practiced so plays it out as if its what it should look like..when in fact, I cant see the connection between any of the strewn stuff and her disappearance- no sign of a struggle leaving shoe prints or drag prints yet the stuff is all over..the cell phone thrown in the grass etc..I mean why not leave it all in the car if she was stopped and taken from her car..and why would she be stopping on the side of the road -why not make a call if someone was trying to run her off the road, etc.
There was a timeline from when she was allegedly driving to when she would have been overpowered-now if I have a cell phone and think someone is trying to overpower my car, I am going to call 911 so fast-or my husband etc..there should have been a message-or a partial message saying someone was following her. (If someone flagged her down and she had a cell phone - she could have called for help and kept going..she did not have to stop).
A staged crime scene is the very first sign of a husbands involvement in my opinion.

[newtv]

And we wouldn't change you for anything! :blowkiss:
:blowkiss: right back atcha sweetheart..:))
love reading your posts.

[newtv]

Jodieo

We are all speculating. After the Peterson and Hacking cases, our imaginations run rampant !! We look for things ( like looking towards the left and down ) because these things were repeated over and over. Do they mean anything in this case ? Who knows ?
IF the SUV was indeed in the baseball field, then we do have a problem with the timeline. I, too, have thought of domestic abuse. But then I have also thought that our 'serial killer" may have changed his mo.jess- u dont have to participate if its that difficult for you-the whole point of it here is to think things through..if its troublesome for you to participate then by all means head somewhere else..there are lots of other types of forums where speculating on crime isnt the theme..
I dont care if you dont think its a big deal but please just stop assuming your position is THE position..do not speak for the news teams following the case..you have no idea who is following the case and when they will report.
They dont have a crime yet and they are doing what we all are doing-waiting to see how it unfolds.
This board is to share ideas on what we think may have happened. The fact that other cases sound errily like current cases is par for course..domestic violence and murder is pretty much the same across the board.. What scott pretenderson and mark hacking did is what most men who kill their wives do-and if this husband is involved he will be no different.
The best thing an innocent husband can do is let all the possibilities be exhausted so he can be ruled out. If they cant rule him out then we have every reason to speculate on how he might be involved.
I will never understand why people read these boards when they dont have any respect for the process of speculation..no one is askign you to read..thats your choice.
The extreme postion that this is a case that wont get any media attention and that the husband is unfairly being attacked is as bad as determining it is him or that the case will become the media event of the century..just stick to the middle road-the truth will unfold on its own.

added- and serial killers dont change their MO's-there is a reason they are serial killers-they are doing it in a way that works..there is a signature way they do things-they dont just switch one day to a differnt MO..the only way we catch these guys is by their signature way of killing.
I just think this is the place to speculate and we dont have to be right or wrong-just get out of the way so we can be ourselves-thats when creativity happens.

[adnoid]

...After the Peterson and Hacking cases, our imaginations run rampant...

After the Peterson and Hacking cases looking to the husband isn't just imagination.

[Jess]

[QUOTE=otto]I've heard that the early morning hours are dangerous, don't remember where. 5 a.m., it's still pretty dark even with daylight savings time. Sunrise is at about 5:20 although the sun isn't really up yet for another hour.


snip snip

It is LIGHT at this time of year at 5 am!! I can read a book without a light on, people are out walking and jogging. Heavens ! I've even been out weeding at that hour ! There is no way one could say that it is still pretty dark at this time of year in Edmonton.

[tuppence]

but wouldn't the husband have to be an idiot to leave the car out all night looking the way it did - door hanging open, stuff strewn around - then claim she had been home all night? I mean he could have left the car with the door closed in a slightly more remote spot and it may not have been noticed - or at least if the door had been closed people wouldn't have looked close enough to be SURE it was the same SUV they saw.

I mean I usually tend to think its the husband cause statistically it usually is the husband/boyfriend...but it seems counterintuitive to me that he would have staged it like this given he did have time to stage things.

Any thoughts on this anyone?

[newtv]

but wouldn't the husband have to be an idiot to leave the car out all night looking the way it did - door hanging open, stuff strewn around - then claim she had been home all night? I mean he could have left the car with the door closed in a slightly more remote spot and it may not have been noticed - or at least if the door had been closed people wouldn't have looked close enough to be SURE it was the same SUV they saw.

I mean I usually tend to think its the husband cause statistically it usually is the husband/boyfriend...but it seems counterintuitive to me that he would have staged it like this given he did have time to stage things.

Any thoughts on this anyone?if u wanted her to be found enroute to work u wouldnt put her in a remote spot-thats the whole point.
and there is no reason to assume the car was out there all night-it could have been out there for an hour or more..but the point is..he would have to have a story one way or the other so..if someone reported the car and he did this then I am sure he had another story-he was likely hoping the car would not be noticed and that her work would call - then he would say-she left at 6:15..
I am not saying he did it- I am saying that if he did it-he had a story for various possibilities-if someone discovered the car before and called police and they went to his home then he would likely say something else-that he did not know why she left in the night etc.
It will all unfold but he has to be a person of interest-until its proven he could not have been involved..and if he isnt involved that will prevail.

[Jess]

Newtv

Yes, I have been speculating along with everyone else. I looked for the body language and have questioned myself to see if I am reading something into it when there really isn't anything there. My first gut instinct is/ was that he is involved. The discrepancies in the time line bother me. I trust the reports given by the two witnesses. People who have a routine so early in the am usually notice that which is not "normally" there.
Never did I say that I had difficulty participating on these boards, nor difficulting accepting the speculation or theories. Nor am I talking for the "news teams" I have repeated only what I have heard on the news in Edmonton, citing the tv station.

And you are no doubt right about serial killers not changing their MO's. Course the Edmonton police have not said if it is just one person responsible for all the killings.
I was going to apologize as I was so shocked about being taken to task. I'll just try to change the language as I didn't realize that people would think that "my" position was the only position. I didn't realize I had taken a position.

[newtv]

Newtv

Yes, I have been speculating along with everyone else. I looked for the body language and have questioned myself to see if I am reading something into it when there really isn't anything there. My first gut instinct is/ was that he is involved. The discrepancies in the time line bother me. I trust the reports given by the two witnesses. People who have a routine so early in the am usually notice that which is not "normally" there.
Never did I say that I had difficulty participating on these boards, nor difficulting accepting the speculation or theories. Nor am I talking for the "news teams" I have repeated only what I have heard on the news in Edmonton, citing the tv station.

And you are no doubt right about serial killers not changing their MO's. Course the Edmonton police have not said if it is just one person responsible for all the killings.
I was going to apologize as I was so shocked about being taken to task. I'll just try to change the language as I didn't realize that people would think that "my" position was the only position. I didn't realize I had taken a position.It was in reference to you saying our imaginations are running rampant..I dont think they are is all..we are looking toward the most likely possibilities-they are not fantasies in so far as improbable..to the contrary-when it isnt the husband or boyfriend its unusual and thats what I mean.
Unfortunately its the exception not the rule when it isnt the husband..thats the fantasy scenario.
I am not thinking you need to apologise I am seriously questioning why it would be such a fantasy to assume the involvement of the husband..if we do not then everyone would go free..he has to be considered and especially once there are inconsistencies-for there are none when the story adds up.
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added- and i apologise if I misunderstood- I am not too "right" to be wrong.

[Jess]

All right, I can see where you might have misinterpreted " our imaginations....." It was definitely not a slur on these boards or posters.Everyone I have talked to and met in this area has thought the same thing,...that the husband is involved. Having followed the SP and MH cases as closely as I have, I am well aware of the statistics.
I think for now I'll just watch and listen to the local news for any breaking news. I'll let other people report on what is being said by the media and police.

[Casshew]

Hypothetical - if the husband is responsible - he might purposely stage a 'dramatic scene' at the SUV - so it would be sure to get noticed and then the police would show up at his door where he could feign shock and surprise.

[sandraladeda]

HOW INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess who's NOT talking to the media NOW AND having his FAMILY speak for him because he's TOO UPSET?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fairness to Mr. White,

"...Liana's husband, Michael White, didn't speak to the media today, but his brother Bryan, a Brantford, Ont., firefighter/paramedic, made an impassioned plea for help yesterday..." (snipped from your link to the Edmonton Sun, http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonto...132686-sun.html)

is a far cry from "guess who's NOT talking to the media" - your post makes it sound like he now refusing to speak to the media. This is not the case, is it?

[gagesmom314]

I don't take his not speaking to the media today as a sign of anything but he wants a day of semi privacy. He is going through a grieving process even though we do not know she is dead. If I were in his shoes I THINK I would make a plea to the media and then spend my time focusing on the investigation of my significant others disappearance. Especially when other family members can make pleas as well. Of course I may think different than most on here. I get the feeling that I do. I haven't seen anything other than a husband who is desperate to find his wife.

[Mabel]

Hypothetical - if the husband is responsible - he might purposely stage a 'dramatic scene' at the SUV - so it would be sure to get noticed and then the police would show up at his door where he could feign shock and surprise.


This is true, but what tuppence mentioned above is something to consider. Would he be stupid enough to stage the 'dramatic scene' which was sure to get the vehicle noticed before the time Lianna supposedly left the house? If it can be proven that one credible witness actually saw the vehicle parked there in that condition prior to 6:15, the husband is in deep doo doo.

[Casshew]

I. He is going through a grieving process even though we do not know she is dead.
He should not be grieving unless he knows something we don't know.

I can understand him being so emotional he couldn't speak to the media today. It can go either way at this point for my opinion, seriously "what is normal'? when a loved one is missing? If he is vacuuming and making tortellini for the neighbours I'd be raising an eyebrow. :silenced:

[Casshew]

If it can be proven that one credible witness actually saw the vehicle parked there in that condition prior to 6:15, the husband is in deep doo doo.
I imagine he will start backpeddling at that point... saying maybe he got the time wrong.

[Mabel]

He should not be grieving unless he knows something we don't know.

I can understand him being so emotional he couldn't speak to the media today. It can go either way at this point for my opinion, seriously "what is normal'? when a loved one is missing? If he is vacuuming and making tortellini for the neighbours I'd be raising an eyebrow. :silenced:

Yup, or if he thinks he's tripping over cobblestones in Brussels. I took the "too upset to talk to the media" post as a comparison to Scott Peterson, who claimed he was "too emotional" to talk to them.

[Casshew]

Yup, or if he thinks he's tripping over cobblestones in Brussels. I took the "too upset to talk to the media" post as a comparison to Scott Peterson, who claimed he was "too emotional" to talk to them.'

Mabel, this could be a whole new thread, you have to wonder if people 'learn' from these high profile cases what 'not to do' when you murder your wife? or even if you are innocent.. will you be paranoid and not want to cooperate because of what you have heard?

If something ever happend to my hubby - and the police took my PC, :doh: all the stuff I have read, crimes, discussions... I am sure they would think WTF? :slap:

Just want to thank the local Edmonton members for the updates today... does anyone know if there is a prayer vigil in the works?

[adnoid]

...Would he be stupid enough to stage the 'dramatic scene' which was sure to get the vehicle noticed before the time Lianna supposedly left the house?...

That would be almost as stupid as someone calling their mistress from a vigil for their wife and pretending to be in Paris - nobody would EVER think they could get away with that, right?

[gagesmom314]

You grieve a loss....not necissarily a death. The loss...his wife is not by his side and is currently "lost". Just my opinion of course.

[Luanne]

Sorry if this has been answered, didn't see it. When did her husband know she was missing? Did they call him from work to say she had not arrived? Or did the cops notify him when they found the car?

I'm wondering too, I haven't heard how she was discovered missing....when & how did the husband find out?

Hoping there's some kind of resolution soon....

[Casshew]

You grieve a loss....not necissarily a death. The loss...his wife is not by his side and is currently "lost". Just my opinion of course.
I respect your opinion...

mine happens to be it's a little too early to grieve, I hope my family wouldn't give up on my coming home after just a couple of days.

[Mabel]

That would be almost as stupid as someone calling their mistress from a vigil for their wife and pretending to be in Paris - nobody would EVER think they could get away with that, right?

Nobody with a lick of sense anyway.

Cass is right, there's been so much talk about how a person is "supposed" to act it could easily cause a person to be paranoid. I still believe the first thing I'd do if one of my loved ones disappeared is insist on taking a polygraph test. Rule me out, then go find the real culprit.

[gagesmom314]

I respect your opinion...

mine happens to be it's a little too early to grieve, I hope my family wouldn't give up on my coming home after just a couple of days.

I don't think he has given up hope at all. I am having a hard time coming across the way I am trying to. More like he is grieving that this is even happening. Not that she isnt ever going to come home just that she isnt home right now...does that make sense?

[FacTink]

Hmmmm yes Tuppence and Mabel,

IF that car was seen there in the night (but what was the exact wording on that?) then what would his explanation have been? Of course, Scott was going to be golf fishing...it was a morning decision...

You raise an interesting question Tuppence...

So...exactly what was the text of the person that saw it the night before, did they mean "during the dark hours?" Perhaps just before the sun rose, that kinda "night?"

That car got there at some point in time, that is for sure. Now I am just VERY interested, and waiting for the time line!

Now then...since he is angry, and who would blame him if he certainly didn't do it and he had been told to sit tight by the police until they did some investigating AND she was still not found. I would be freaking out, I'd be spewing venom everywhere...because when I hurt, I get angry.

As for grieving, I agree...loss is loss and it causes grieving when it is felt, this guy (if not guilty) has lost his sleeping partner for several nights, his normal life as he knew it, his little girls mom, his possible next son or daughter's mom and so on... The MOMENT my loved one didn't show up and I knew it was out of character, I'd be going berzerk...yup...yup...but then I am inclined to go berzerk!

FT

[Casshew]

I don't think he has given up hope at all. I am having a hard time coming across the way I am trying to. More like he is grieving that this is even happening. Not that she isnt ever going to come home just that she isnt home right now...does that make sense? It's not really making sense to me.. but thats okay :blowkiss:

I think that now is the time to be working to find Liana, to staying strong for his child, helping the investigation in any way possible, to be busy and active.. not to be grieving. Too early to grieve imo

[blueclouds]

In fairness to Mr. White,

"...Liana's husband, Michael White, didn't speak to the media today, but his brother Bryan, a Brantford, Ont., firefighter/paramedic, made an impassioned plea for help yesterday..." (snipped from your link to the Edmonton Sun, http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonto...132686-sun.html)

is a far cry from "guess who's NOT talking to the media" - your post makes it sound like he now refusing to speak to the media. This is not the case, is it?
But it isn't just from the Edm. Sun. It's other media that hearing tidbits that he's "distraught" and grieving.... WHAT??????? grieving? Grief is for death IMO. I took your advice Sandra - and took a step back and tried very hard to give this man a chance - but from rumours I hear, he's not even looking for her. He's leaving so much up to his family. God, if it was my hubby, I'd be using the media with all my tears and wrenching heartache to keep them coming back for more for all the help in the world.

and it's been 2 days, NOT one that he won't go on TV. Sounding strange to me. I dunno.

[sandraladeda]

How about substituting the words "experiencing extreme emotional turmoil" to replace the word "grieving"? ;)

I would think he is not only exhausted, but is simply going crazy with the not knowing.

[Casshew]

How about substituting the words "experiencing extreme emotional turmoil" to replace the word "grieving"? ;)

I would think he is not only exhausted, but is simply going crazy with the not knowing.
I'm okay with that :truce:

[sandraladeda]

and it's been 2 days, NOT one that he won't go on TV. Sounding strange to me. I dunno.Won't go on TV? Or hasn't gone on TV? Do you not see the difference? One sounds like he is refusing. One sounds like he simply has not done it. I just haven't seen or heard anything to suggest he is refusing to be interviewed, is he? Have followed closely, Edmonton radio, all the Edmonton papers, CBC, Global, CFCN (affilliate with CFRN)...

Also, it makes sense to me that his family took a day or two to arrive in Edmonton to offer him support. If I was in his shoes, and one of my loved ones were to disappear, I would handle all the spokesperson jobs over to my brother immediately upon his arrival in town.

Perhaps he is guilty as sin, just haven't seen anything suspicious other than the fact that he thought she left the house at 6:15, yet it appears it may have been earlier. THAT will not put the man in jail.

imho

[Casshew]

Everyone is a potential suspect in the case of missing pregnant mom Liana White, including her husband, say police.

"In all reality we have to take a look at everybody who has something to do with her life," said acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski. "I think, to be fair, whether it be close family members, aunts, uncles, friends at work ... we have to look at everybody. And that's normal. We do that in every investigation."

Police believe Liana's disappearance is suspicious, but because there's no hard evidence that a crime was committed, they're still treating it as a missing persons case, Ewatski said.

"If there was some evidence that we had that a crime had taken place, we would let you know," Ewatski said. "But at this time it's still a missing persons case. We have no indication that a crime has taken place, if she's been abducted, assaulted."


http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/ (http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/15/1132686-sun.html)

[poco]

Okay and what makes it change from missing persons to the possibility of it having been a crime. As I recall with SP, it was when it was found out that he was having an affair. Is that right? Was that what turned it from missing person to homicide? Doesn't seem like much to go on. Seems like we heard more about the Laci case than we have about this one at this point.

[fourboys]

Search continues for missing pregnant mother in Edmonton

Last Updated Fri, 15 Jul 2005
CBC News

Police in Edmonton are working around the clock trying to determine how or why a 29-year-old pregnant woman disappeared.

Liana White, an Edmonton mother of one, vanished without a trace and hasn't been seen since Tuesday.

Police admit it's a baffling case, but so far they have not uncovered any evidence of foul play.

White left for work early Tuesday morning. Her SUV was found abandoned in a park about two kilometres from her house with the driver's door open.

White's wallet, keys, cellphone and shoes were found scattered in and around the vehicle. There was no sign of violence, no sign of a struggle.

Police are still working on discrepancies between when her husband says she left home, and when witnesses spotted her vehicle.

Marie Olah, who regularly cuts across the lot where the SUV was found to get to the YMCA for her morning workout, told CBC News earlier this week she saw the vehicle with the door open before 6 a.m., while Michael White told police his wife left home for work at 6:15 a.m.

"We had Mr. White come in today to speak with investigators and he came in to co-operate with us and sit and go over information we have and what he has provided us. It's been a few days and he's had some time to reflect what's been taken place. And the interview went very well with our investigators," said Police say White is not considered a suspect.

Police are interviewing everyone close to the missing woman. They say that's standard procedure.

Search and rescue teams have been called in along with more than a dozen detectives who have been assigned to the case. But little progress has been made.

"This is a missing person, this is not a crime as of yet. And that's the way we are treating it. There's no identified one suspect at this time," said Jamie Ewatski, an inspector with the Edmonton force.

Those who know White are baffled by her disappearance. "It's very strange. Very strange. It's not within her character at all just to go missing like that," said co-worker Sherry Unger.

Neighbours like Dena Gallant are worried. "You don't know really what happened. And you just kind of hope for the best, and pray the worst hasn't happened."

Police are planning to expand the search and use tracking dogs this weekend.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/15/lianawhite050714.html

[blueclouds]

Won't go on TV? Or hasn't gone on TV? Do you not see the difference? One sounds like he is refusing.
imho
OH Sandra, don't want to debate this point. My last statement on this is this: SEVERAL media have contacted him excessively and practically begged him to go on TV, that having the husband on is the BEST thing to do. Even the police have asked him to appeal further for more leads.

The fact that he is NOT GOING ON TV, tells me he's REFUSING requests.
This comes from a detective that is a relative of mine. He's basically refusing because of "grief".

IF FINDING HIS WIFE is that important and would generate more leads, take some antianxiety meds and GO ON TV FOR HEAVENS SAKE.

So all they can do is re-run is one and only appearance.

[lauriej]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/15/1133783-cp.html

The woman's distraught husband and his family have also started their own search.

Police were also conducting forensic examinations of her vehicle and personal effects.

People have phoned in dozens of tips to investigators, including reported sitings of the missing woman.

"There have been a lot of alleged spottings of Mrs. White," he said.

White, 29, is pregnant with her second child. Ewatski has suggested it's possible she may have simply walked away from her life.
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.....unfortunate, that the runaway bride story throws that possibility into the mix...

...i skimmed through the posts here to catch up............have we ever heard what the normal routine is re: taking the 2 year old to day care ? a babysitter ?

[lauriej]

http://www.afmedmonton.ca/contact.asp

..lianna is a member of the edmonton musicians association:

http://www.afmedmonton.ca/default.asp

"We are Local 390 of the American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada, an international union representing professional musicians."

Liana WhiteAdministrative Supervisor
Canadian Office, AFM lwhite@afm.org (lwhite@afm.org)

[CanadianCousin]

All right, I can see where you might have misinterpreted " our imaginations....." It was definitely not a slur on these boards or posters.Everyone I have talked to and met in this area has thought the same thing,...that the husband is involved. Having followed the SP and MH cases as closely as I have, I am well aware of the statistics.
I think for now I'll just watch and listen to the local news for any breaking news. I'll let other people report on what is being said by the media and police.
Jess, I for one would like you to continue to post all reports. I took your post for what it was and nothing more. Sometimes posts are misinterperted to no fault of anyone. I have been lurking at Webslueths for a long time, with maybe 1 or 2 posts, I have no idea...lol. But the one thing I have noticed is that at times, people misunderstand each other and then figure things out and carry on. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the more information that we get, the more accurate the opnions become. Sleuthing is "to act as a detective, to search for information". I think a person needs to specualte in order to be a detective, if that even makes sense....lol.

Anyways, I enjoy everyone's posts and would not want to see anybody stop passing on the media reports, even if they are spun....lol

[Casshew]

lauriej, I don't think that is the same Liana White.

I found that today when doing some snooping on the net.... also found few other things that made me think it was a different Liana..

I also found an entry (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:j8NcZZexchIJ:www.shatteredcore.com/guestbook.cfm+lwhite%40afm.org&hl=en) on a guestbook - saying she was in Toronto (dated May 6, 2005) - at a music event...


Liana (Toronto) Friday May 6, 2005 @ 12:41 PM
Hi There! I met you guys at Canadian Music Week '05. I worked for the American Federation of Musicians Canadian Office and you guys stopped by our booth and gave me your CD. I have finally listened to it and then immediately went on your website...I think I've seen every inch of it. You guys are "Great Stuff"...http://www.bandzoogle.com/components/apps/guestbook/images/love.gif Love http://www.bandzoogle.com/components/apps/guestbook/images/love.gif the music. Best of luck!!! If you guys are performing in town, or ever need any assistance feel free to e-mail me lwhite@afm.org

[Bobbisangel]

Yeah but that is a HUGE discrepancy! HUGE.
From the time the first call reporting it to the time he said she left.


The police sure did take their time getting to the scene. I notice they keep saying that they received a call at 7:27 but that isn't true. The one lady called twice and was ignored. Probably one shift getting ready to go home and didn't want to start an investigation so they left it until the next shift came on...day shift.

The first report that I read said that she might be wearing hospital scrubs. If her husband thinks he knew what time she left then he should know what she was wearing. A man saw the vehicle at the field parking area at 5:50. That is 25 minutes before her husband said she left home. The vehicle was already there and everything all over with the door open so the vehicle would have gotten there before 5:50. If this gal didn't start work until 7:00 why would she have been at the field before 5:50???

I hate to think another husband is guilty but this story isn't making sense. I wonder if the hubby has a girlfriend??? Ya, Scott Peterson has made us take a good hard look at all husbands. Especially if something looks strange.

I wonder if the cops thought to check and see how far back the driver's seat was and the rearview mirror. Course the husband could be short. I was just reading some stuff on Mark Hacking and the LE noted that Lori's car seat was moved back to fit a bigger person and the mirrors had been adjusted too.

I hope there is a happy ending to this story but I'll be surprised if there is.

[newtv]

Hmmm -- so maybe another guy who she is involved with was in a different SUV and was waiting for her in the parking lot (thus sightings of an SUV earlier than 6:00 a.m.) She left for work at 6:15 a.m. and met this guy....and together they staged an abduction before running off together?
and to think anyone would want a "fat" woman-all from the same theorist..

[lauriej]

lauriej, I don't think that is the same Liana White.

I found that today when doing some snooping on the net.... also found few other things that made me think it was a different Liana..

I also found an entry (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:j8NcZZexchIJ:www.shatteredcore.com/guestbook.cfm+lwhite%40afm.org&hl=en) on a guestbook - saying she was in Toronto (dated May 6, 2005) - at a music event...

[/b]
..thank you.............it didn't occur to me at the time that there was another liana white........

...sorry for the confusion........

[newtv]

All right, I can see where you might have misinterpreted " our imaginations....." It was definitely not a slur on these boards or posters.Everyone I have talked to and met in this area has thought the same thing,...that the husband is involved. Having followed the SP and MH cases as closely as I have, I am well aware of the statistics.
I think for now I'll just watch and listen to the local news for any breaking news. I'll let other people report on what is being said by the media and police.
jess-please dont worry about it- I wasnt hearing you the way u intended-it sounded to me like we were letting our imaginations run wild-like dolts would who cant wait to make a problem from nothing..the truth is when I saw the crying I thot it was fake-but I also did not yet know about the timeline-that just told me more about something not being right..truth is truth and it unfolds to make sense..as soon as it doesnt make sense then its normal to ask why that is? (I dont consider that my imagination running rampant).
I just want to be free to throw out the possibility of what happened based on what I know..versus not wanting to believe its the husband or judging him prematurely.
If he isnt involved I am happy to be wrong-its just not likely. (sadly it isnt adding up from the get go).

I was wrong about the runaway brides fiance-though I wasnt overly invested in him being at fault..then his story became true because it was..that happened within a relatively short period of time.
Stories that add up generally unfold in that direction quickly.
Some woman (many), is being killed by her spouse right now and he is staging a crime scene..sad but true. I would say it is imperative to look at the husband because 99 percent of the time its him.
If thats not so, then look in the next logical place..sex offenders-etc.
(Or to some extent at the same time).
I am puzzled that volunteers did not ocme out and go looking for her in the area right away? Why would that be..it seems to me that the husband should have called his friends and went looking-surely others would have helped?
But please its hard to be overly clear on the net due to the missing info of the body..I am just getting tired of people who dont seem to want to face facts..after all I have learned on this forum I will always make the husband/boyfriend guilty until proven innocent-no matter what he looks like or what he says..once he is eliminated then so be it..for example, steve groen was eliminated right away thru a polygraph I guess and his story was true.
I am glad he isnt involved..but i would not have had any shock if he turned out to be.
I know in a court of law there is a presumption of innocence and so there should be.but I am on a forum not in a courtroom.
So I want to speculate on the possible guilt of the husband because he is the husband not in spite of it..and right now it doesnt look good for him. The timeline will not be his friend if that call was made to the police at 6:00 am by a witness. (Apparently the police did not do anything with it at the time, but there will be a record of that call-I haev no idea how the husband can expect to be believed if that first statement from him turns out to be flawed.
Jess I apologise and just keep on sharing- I'll be more careful.

[Bobbisangel]

Here's another detail about the keys: "Police received a call yesterday morning after someone reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked in a gravel parking lot next to a soccer field. They found Liana White's brown Ford Explorer with a door wide open and keys inside, but not in the ignition."

If the keys were not in the ignition, then it looks like she pulled over and took her keys. I'm still leaning towards the possibility that someone tried to pull her over by flashing her lights to suggest that she had a flat tire or something. It looks like she pulled over, got out of her car with cell phone and wallet in hand and then someone grabbed her. He put her in his car and as he was leaving he threw the phone and the ID out the window.


Interesting that the parking lot was gravel but there was no signs of a fight or anything. With the way her stuff was flung all over that sounds like they were fighting and things were flying all over the place. Of course, the guilty person could have just been standing there throwing things making it look like there was a struggle. If you struggle with someone in loose gravel the cops should be able to tell that there was a struggle.

[Bobbisangel]

Are you Canadian? Do you live near the area where this woman was abducted? If so, speak up and if not, take my word for it.


What does being Canadian have to do with how much a woman should weigh as compared to what she does weight? Have you never heard of small boned, med boned, or large boned? What we should weigh by some chart and what we do weigh might be miles apart. Different women gain faster or slower when they are pregnant. Besides, what does it matter how much this lady weighed as compared to her height. The newspaper said they had made an error on her weight and that she weighs around 150 lbs. 5'4" and 150 lbs doesn't make this lady a fatty or any of the other negative words that you used. Seems like all of a sudden you are just looking for a fight.

[lauriej]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121470871943_41/?hub=Canada

"Edmonton police further questioned the husband of a missing woman Friday, asking him to clarify certain details in his previous account."

"One witness told CTV News she saw White's vehicle in the parking lot slightly earlier than when White's husband said she departed for work.

"When I first saw the vehicle, that was approximately 5:58 a.m.," the witness said.

"I'm positive of that. In fact, I even can confirm [that time] from my scan card when I got to the gym."

Police have expanded their search, and plan to use teams with dogs to examine fields north of White's home."
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.............why.............IF, the husband parked the SUV there himself, 'staged' the scene , would he then say she left at 6:15? why not say she left earlier.......5:40, 5:45 ? to co-incide with when people would actually see the vehicle ?

...even in early morning light traffic, it takes some time, ( 5 minutes....10 minutes ?) to travel the 10 blocks from the home.........
...the timeline of when the SUV was actually there will be crucial, especially if the husband insists he saw her leave the home at 6:15.........

[Bobbisangel]

Actually from reports, his house was searched quite thoroughly the first day she was missing.


When they went in they probably didn't spray with luminol to see if blood had been cleaned up. Hopefully they will do that if they don't find out something pretty soon.

[lauriej]

Are you Canadian? Do you live near the area where this woman was abducted? If so, speak up and if not, take my word for it.
...yes i'm canadian..
...yes i live near edmonton..

...i see you're adamant that a 5'4" woman should weigh 150 lbs. @ 9 months.....
...i'm almost 5'6"...........and weighed in at 134 with my 1st, and 167 with my 2nd......

...and i don't understand how the weight issue is an issue at all..............a woman is missing..................she's pregnant yes..........who cares what she weighs?

[newtv]

he said she left at 6:15 because she was known to leave at that time-her work mates would have said she was not yet at work or that she was always at work at a particular time..people's habits are known-so if he was asked what time she left for work everyday-it would be 6:15 (at least this is what I think)..her workmates would know what time she made it to work every other day and that would have her leaving the house at 6:15-as well he may not have thought it was a big deal-he may not have thot it would be cross checked..
or- he is innocent and the timeline will explain itself soon..

[Ghostwheel]

Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

However, I would have a hard time if there were no signs of struggle. That would indicate she left of her own accord, or was never really there.

And I'm a fatalist. If any member of my family just disappeared (because none of them would just walk away), I'd think the worst if they hadn't turned up for two days. I wouldn't be thinking they went out for Cheetos and got lost, because that would not make sense. I'd be thinking I've probably lost my loved one and be stuck between searching to kill(the perp), and rolling up in a ball. I wouldn't be coherent on TV. I'd probably look like a homicidal maniac. Yeah, I'd pass the job off to someone else.

[newtv]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/15/1133783-cp.html

Might be an update-they reinterviewed the husband.

[lauriej]

..i see your point........

..if she was usually at work at 7 .......or 6:45.( to do the shift change thing as it's been said on these boards) DID the hospital call the husband when she wasn't there yet ? or did LE call when they checked the abandoned SUV ? do we know WHO called him ?

[Ghostwheel]

If this was a TV episode, the perp would be the woman who was going to the gym, or the other guy who claims he saw the vehicle earlier and her/his claims of seeing the SUV earlier would be to throw everyone off the scent.

If only life were as easy as a television program....

But seriously, why would a person with a cell phone stop in a parking lot a couple of miles from home? If there were already someone in her car, forcing her to do so? If she got some kind of pains, and just stopped to see if they would pass? If she needed to stop at the Y for something? Any other thoughts?

[lauriej]

[QUOTE=Ghostwheel]Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

QUOTE]

..........the clocks in our house are similar to yours...........

...my one daughter likes to have hers 10 minutes ahead of time..............so she can hit the snooze button and dream aliitle longer..
...my other daughter has hers 5 minutes ahead of time, to allow herself time to change her outfit 6 times every morning..


..yet...........they both leave the house , like clockwork, at exactly the same time ( by the clock in the kitchen ) every day.........8:29, to catch the school bus at 8:34...

...our clock in the car is not only 4 minutes ahead...( so that we can hopefully arrive somewhere on time).........it's also not set to daylight savings.......an hour off....yet we still know the time...

...if someone leaves EVERY morning at 6:15................then it's 6:15.......

[Ghostwheel]

...if someone leaves EVERY morning at 6:15................then it's 6:15.......Man, it'd be GREAT to be that exact in my life. But the cereal gets spilled, the toilet overflows, the rat dies in the driveway. No two days are alike around here--they tell me other people don't have these things happen....

[lauriej]

If this was a TV episode, the perp would be the woman who was going to the gym, or the other guy who claims he saw the vehicle earlier and her/his claims of seeing the SUV earlier would be to throw everyone off the scent.

If only life were as easy as a television program....

But seriously, why would a person with a cell phone stop in a parking lot a couple of miles from home? If there were already someone in her car, forcing her to do so? If she got some kind of pains, and just stopped to see if they would pass? If she needed to stop at the Y for something? Any other thoughts?
........yes...on TV, the perp would have to be someone that they've 'shown' us so far........because the TV audience has to 'identify' with the character and all that......if only we could get the hot shot CSI guys to wrap this up in the next 45 minutes............

...i can't see someone who works in a hospital............enroute to that hospital........stopping for any medical emergency.......why not just carry on to the hospital ?
..i have thought about why she may pull over into that lot..................can't think of any reason......

[lauriej]

Man, it'd be GREAT to be that exact in my life. But the cereal gets spilled, the toilet overflows, the rat dies in the driveway. No two days are alike around here--they tell me other people don't have these things happen...........i definitely agree..........and nothing is exact here either......

...my point was...........that even though our clocks are set at all sorts of varying times, the kids are out of here at the SAME time eah day.........or they'd miss the bus....be late for school...

...liane would also have a certain time to leave each day......or be late for work...in this case, he says 6:15.......

...edited to add: he not only says she left at 6:15...........( according to news reports) he says he SAW her leave at 6;15...........

[Jess]

http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/16/1134393-sun.html


Husband searches for Missing Wife

[FacTink]

WOAH HO! Did everyone see this quoted from one of the witnesses?

>>
"When I first saw the vehicle, that was approximately 5:58 a.m.," the witness said.

"I'm positive of that. In fact, I even can confirm [that time] from my scan card when I got to the gym."
<<

Hm....I had written a message to you all but I took so long writing it that it got wiped. I can't remember if a subsequent messages asked what I had intended, "do they sign in at that gym?"

Well...it looks like there is a scan card...and that maybe that time is going to be documented.

Now if we can get Darryl's bus pickup documented for that day...

FT

[Casshew]

..thank you.............it didn't occur to me at the time that there was another liana white........

...sorry for the confusion........ I don't know for sure... ~ it's just we have only heard she is a clerk in a hopital, nothing about music etc... but you never know

[Casshew]

http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/16/1134393-sun.html


Husband searches for Missing Wife Jess thanks for the link :blowkiss:

[Jess]

The story didn't even make the local news on the Global tv station. Guess they feel they have nothing newsworthy to report so did not even mention it.IMO

[Casshew]

Husband re-interviewd, Search Intensifies
(http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=83a0d906-252c-4f4a-8a11-4a1536bb772d)

[linnafay]

Ok me being up north here...and finally having a day off work...I thought I would throw my :twocents: in.

Now granted we are almost 4 hours north east of Edmonton, but we have visible light at 4am. By 5am it is light. If her vehicle was spotted at 658 then it was seen in daylight, not dark.

Have they checked the computers? Was she chatting online? Did someone stalk her?

As for her leaving early, somedays I leave earlier than others as does my hubby...unfortunately, if asked which day he left at 720 and which day he left at 735...I would not be able to say. I would likely say he leaves at 730.

Was the husband up? Was he in the shower? How does he know what she had on? Does she wear the same thing everyday? I wear scrubs and since I only have two colors of bottoms and three colours of tops, my hubby would be pretty certain of what I was wearing even if he did not see my walk out the door.

The longer she is missing, the more I tend to think he is involved...although, I hate that. I am still reeling from Karla getting out, we dont need another killer on the loose!

[sandraladeda]

Could we try to speculate on possible scenarios, and organize our ideas into categories? This is what I can think up so far. I know we can brainstrom more possible scenarios.

One scenario - Look at the husband. Like many have said, it is usually the husband, sad to say. He killed her by accident (an argument got out of hand), then he thought up a "cover story" and hastily made it look like she had been abducted on the way to work. Would explain elements that appear to be "staged", might explain timeline problems.

-or-

He killed her on purpose, and premeditated the "crime scene". Tossed her body in the North Saskatchewan River? Motive? Did not want another baby, trapped in marriage, girlfriend on the side...

Second Scenario - Staged her own disappearance - reasons? Trapped in marriage? Has boyfriend? Running off with said boyfriend? Baby is not hubby's, and the truth will come out eventually, so cannot stay in marriage? Does not want another baby, wants to abort? Prenatal tests indicate child has birth defects, does not want to carry to term, hubby would never agree to abort? She is suicidal and staged "crime scene" to spare family from knowing she chose suicide, walked to North Saskatchewan River and jumped?

Third Scenario - Crime Committed by Third Person - someone she knew - such as a boyfriend, maybe the father of the unborn child, who does not want her to have his child, or who is maybe married to someone else? Or someone she knew, such as a friend or relative, who was angry, jealous, whatever.

Or by someone she did not know - a perfect stranger, who somehow managed to get her to pull over through some sort of trick, in order to harm her. Or, for some reason, she pulled over on her own - I used to pull over to vomit from morning sickness, and with my 2nd and 3rd child, my morning sickness went into my 5th month. If she pulled over on her own, she may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and been jumped. Or perhaps she witnessed something she shouldn't have witnessed, some sort of criminal activity in the park where her vehicle was stopped.

This is as organized as my thoughts can get, as I puzzle over this case. I would love it if some of you sleuthers can think up additional possibilities.

**I hope I don't appear to be disrespectful to the Whites with some of my speculation. I am very sensitive to casting victims in a negative light. This is not my intent....

[Casshew]

Thanks sandraladeda, it has to be one of those scenarios or aliens.

You know what is strange about this case (to me)? It's been a few days now and I haven't bonded with the missing victim. Usually by now you have heard more about the person, seen more photos, heard family members speak, personal anecdotes.

I have heard generalizations (ie) neighbour saying she is sweet, someone saying she is shy, but nothing really in depth.

In other cases when friends/family/coworkers make pleas, or are interviewed you get attached to the person missing and develope a real fondness for them.

[sandraladeda]

Great points, Casshew. I have been thinking the same. If my sister was missing, for example, God forbid, my family would be front and center, the whole world would know we are looking for her. Every photo ever taken of her would be on the news. We don't even know if Liana White has any family.

You are so right about attaching to the victim. This is why I was so consumed by the Laci case right from the first day I heard she was missing.

I have thought that maybe if this happened in the US instead of a Canadian city there would be more media coverage. More media means more reporters investigating her life, and therefore we would know more about her.

But I do have a sense that the Edmonton Police Service knows more than it is saying. Just a feeling.

[linnafay]

Do you think maybe the police do not want us bonding with her? When we bond..we tend to be more passionate, and would then look more closely at the husband...the stats show...

Maybe they are trying to keep it low keyed until the evidence is more thoroughly examined.


BTW Cass... I mentioned to my hubby about the L names going missing....he said I had nothing to worry about, since I can no longer get pregnant! LOL

[Jess]

Those are all good theories.

However I doubt whether she walked to the North Sakatchewan -- it's a long way from Castledowns.
We have not heard of any evidence of vomit or any other bodily fluids at the scene.
WE still have not heard, unless I have missed it, how the husband found out how she was missing.
No friends of the husband have been reported as saying anything . I wonder why ?

[sandraladeda]

Those are all good theories.

However I doubt whether she walked to the North Sakatchewan -- it's a long way from Castledowns.
We have not heard of any evidence of vomit or any other bodily fluids at the scene.
WE still have not heard, unless I have missed it, how the husband found out how she was missing.
No friends of the husband have been reported as saying anything . I wonder why ?Yes, Jess, I wondered how near she was to the river. I was always a "westend girl", so couldn't quite picture how near Castle Downs is to the river.

Yes, there seems to be very little talk on the part of friends and family. I also wonder why.